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In article <u7mtbxwuy.fsf@woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk>,
Andrew Innes <andrewi@long.harlequin.co.uk> wrote:
|

[descriptions of lots of effort spent working around bogosities
in Win95]

I have to say, I admire your patience in trying to get all this stuff
to work.  I beat my head against a wall for days trying to figure this
stuff out when doing the port of Win-Emacs to Win32, and eventually
concluded that

1) Microsoft did a piss-poor job of writing the Win32 console/pipe
   API.  Given their previous attempts at writing API's, this doesn't
   surprise me overly, but it does surprise me somewhat in that much
   of the rest of the Win32 API is reasonably well thought out, and
   for the most part it seemed that Microsoft learned from the
   disaster that they called "OS/2 v1" and actually went out and hired
   some people who had experience working on prior multiprocessing
   operating systems (albeit VMS, yuck) when they designed Windows NT.
   It appears that the console API was really added as an afterthought
   in the push to make everything GUI-centric.

2) Notwithstanding that, Windows NT is at least a fairly robust and
   well-behaved operating system.  Win95, on the other hand, is a
   nightmare to develop for -- the product of "a half-dozen smart
   coders and a thousand monkeys", as people are wont to say.
   Not that there was any better job they could have done considering
   their legacy (i.e. of shooting themselves in the foot over and over
   again in the past through horrendous design mistakes) but it's
   still a nightmarish development environment, where logic goes
   out the door and painstaking, head-bashing trial and error is
   the rule.

   (BTW, at the place I work at now, the Win95 developers typically
   reboot their machines every half-hour or so.  The Solaris developer
   on the same product has had his machine running continuously
   without reboot for the whole of the three or four weeks we've been
   at our new building [and running the same XEmacs 19.13 process the
   whole time, I should add :)].)

ben
-- 
"... then the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was
more painful than the risk it took to blossom." -- Anais Nin

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From: Bruce Riddle <briddle@x86-2.riddleware.com>
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Subject: Xemacs-19.13 on Solarisx86 2.5
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I recently downloaded binaries for xemacs-19.13 on Solaris x86 2.5.

I untarred everything to /usr/local...

When I attempt to run xemacs I receive the page of messages below.

I mut be missing some initial environment settings.  Any help
appreceietated 


Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
/export/home/briddle/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for
use
as the lock directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)

Initialization error: Cannot open load file: term/generic-win




WARNING:
couldn't find an obvious default for load-path, doc-directory, and
data-directory, and there were no defaults specified in paths.h when
emacs
was built.  Perhaps some directories don't exist, or the emacs
executable,
/usr/local/bin/i386-unknown-solaris2.4/xemacs is in a strange place?

Without both exec-directory and load-path, emacs will be very broken.
Consider making a symbolic link from
/export/home/briddle/lib/xemacs-19.13/i386-unknown-solaris2.4 to
wherever
the appropriate emacs exec-directory directory is, and from
/export/home/briddle/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc to wherever the appropriate
emacs
data-directory is, and from /export/home/briddle/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp
to
wherever the appropriate emacs lisp library is.

Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
/export/home/briddle/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for
use
as the lock directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)

Initialization error: Cannot open load file: term/generic-win

exec-directory is nil
data-directory is nil
doc-directory is nil
load-path is nil

  backtrace(external-debugging-output t)
  # bind (string error debug-on-error stream debugger-args)
  early-error-handler(error (file-error "Cannot open load file"
"term/generic-win"))
  # (catch debugger ...)
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  # bind (stack-trace-on-signal debug-on-signal stack-trace-on-error
debug-on-error)
  load-internal("term/generic-win" nil t nil)
  # bind (nosuffix nomessage noerror file)
  load("term/generic-win" nil t)
  # bind (debugger debug-on-error command-line-args-left)
  command-line()
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  normal-top-level()
  # (condition-case ... . error)
  # (catch top-level ...)
.

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From: andersl@csd.uu.se (Anders Lindgren)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [Q] etags again... XEmacs doesn't eat included TAGS files!?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 12:55:23 +0200
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In article <199606121251.PAA01593@merlin.ornet.co.il>
ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> I'm getting the message: `Bad TAGS file'  message on a file that was
> correctly created by XEmacs's etags program!!!
> 
> The problem was caused by the etags.pl package in the 
> function add-to-tag-completion-table.   
> (Debugging messages at the end of this message to make the Story short!.)
> 
> Any hints?
>
> [...]
>
> 3) The last file was created with 'etags' using the `-i' flag that
>    inserts into the TAGS file a pointer to a new TAGS file:
> 
>     % etags -i $SIM_DIR/TAGS -i $SRC_DIR/TAGS
> 
>    ($SIM_DIR/TAGS and $SRC_DIR/TAGS exist and were created also by etags).
> 
> 4) The contents of that file is:
> 
>    
>    /net/rafiki2/sw/simulation/TAGS,include
>    
>    /net/rafiki2/sw/new_src/tags,include
>
> [...]
>
> Any comments?


The etags program has continously been enhanced as part of the GNU
Emacs project, the etags.el package is on the other hand based on a
very old version of tags.el, the Emacs 18 tags package.

The etags program is capable of generating TAGS files containing
features like included tags files and explicitly named tags, fetures
which the etags.el package does not understand.

The canonial solution is to use the etags.el from the GNU Emacs
distribution, it runs straight out of the box on XEmacs.  The drawback
is that you will lose the some other features available in the XEmacs
version only.

	-- Anders
-- 
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  //  Anders Lindgren, Computer Science student at Uppsala University
\X/   andersl@csd.uu.se, <a href="http://www.csd.uu.se/~andersl">www</a>

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From: "Jens Emmerich" <jens.emmerich@psi.ch>
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Subject: Re: German Latex Speller?
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>>>>> "Heiko" == Heiko Klein <a2662914@smail1.rrz.uni-koeln.de> writes:

    Heiko> Hi I have Xemacs 19.28 running under linux with auctex and
    Heiko> I really like it.  But I would like to have a german
    Heiko> spell-programm. The english version of ispell works good,
    Heiko> but when I try to spell with the german option, I get the
    Heiko> message "Can't find german.hash" or something like
    Heiko> that. What do I have to get or to change?

    Heiko> Thanks in advance

You have to install a german dictionary. Here is an anouncement:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	  Neues deutsches Woerterbuch fuer ispell verfuegbar
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Die Datei

ftp.informatik.uni-kiel.de:/pub/kiel/dicts/hk-deutsch.tar.gz

enthaelt deutsche Wortlisten, vorbereitet fuer die Version 3 des
Programms ispell.


Die Wortlisten basieren auf Dateien von Martin Schulz, die man z.B. in 
/ftp.th-darmstadt.de:/pub/dicts/ispell/dictionaries/deutsch.tar.gz
finden kann.

Im wesentlichen habe ich fehlerhafte Worte entfernt. Zusaetzlich habe
ich einige neue Worte hinzugefuegt und bei vielen Worten weitere
Beugungsformen ergaenzt.

Die Aufteilung der Worte in verschiedene Dateien habe ich weiter
vorangetrieben. Damit kann man sich leichter ein KLEINES individuelles
Woerterbuch zusammenstellen. Aus den Wortlisten generiere ich ein
ispell Hash-File mit einer Groesse von ca. 1 MByte im Gegensatz zu
ca. 2 MByte grossen Hash-Files mit den originalen Wortlisten von
Martin Schulz.

In der Affix-Datei deutsch.aff, die von ispell verwendet wird, um
aehnliche Worte von einer gemeinsamen Wurzel ableiten zu koennen, habe
ich einige Fehler behoben und Verbesserungen vorgenommen


Zusammengestellt von

Heinz Knutzen                    email: hk@informatik.uni-kiel.d400.de
Institut fuer Informatik, Universitaet Kiel        Tel: +49-431-560426
Preusserstr. 1-9, D-24105 Kiel, Germany            Fax: +49-431-566143
 


-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jens Emmerich, Paul Scherrer Institut, CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland



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From: dan@detached.demon.co.uk (Daniel Barlow)
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Subject: Re: Linux - Xemacs trouble
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In article <31C08570.27A2C6B2@shoreland.com>,
Thanva Khouvongsavanh  <thanva@shoreland.com> wrote:
>Help:
>
>I am running linux 1.2.13, I downloaded and installed Elf for xemacs 19.13 as specified in the README. When I try
>to run the binary I get a can't resolve sybol '_h_errno'. Any help would be appreciated.

This is an FAQ in the strict sense of the word, though unfortunately not
answered in any list of them that I know of.  Your libc version is older
than the one that xemacs was compiled with, and unfortunately ELF on
Linux doesn't check minor version compatibility.

Try upgrading to libc 5.2.18 or 5.3.12 (either should drop straight in)
or build your own xemacs from source.  If you take the former route, expect
to break `make' and probably to need to upgrade ld.so to the latest version 
as well.

Daniel "and now finals are over, maybe I'll update the howto at long last"
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: linux / xemacs / question
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>>>>> "Wade" == Wade W Huebsch <airedale@iastate.edu> writes:

Wade> I downloaded xemacs-19.13 for linux. I also downloaded
Wade> xemacs-19.13-common.tar.gz. I am running ELF Linux and
Wade> got the corresponding xemacs .tar.gz file.

Wade> I tried to load the files, but when I try to start up
Wade> the executable, I get the following error:

Wade> 	cannot resolve symbol '_h_errno'

Wade> Any ideas????????????????????
 
Your ELF libraries are too old.  You have three options:
1.  Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.2.19).

2.  Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
    with h_errno^@^@.  If you don't understand how to do this, don't
    do it.

3.  Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
    be O.K.

Building XEmacs from source is relatively painless, so long as you
have plenty of temporary disk storage ...

Regards,
-- 
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Julian Bradfield wrote:
> 
> I see. I didn't realize the idea of modifier and non-modifier keysyms
> was intentionally built into Emacs, since it isn't built into
> X. (E.g., there is no predefined semantics to the Shift_R keysym,
> other than to say that XLookupString returns an empty string. The
> various Lock keysyms are given a special interpretation when they're
> bound to a modifier, but not Shift_R.)

This is not true.  It is built into X.  Rather, it is built into Xlib
and Xt and required for proper implementation of ICCCM.

Shift_R does in fact have predefined semantics according to ICCCM which
cannot be (legally) changed.  The Shift_R keysym can be disabled (by
making it have no longer have the Shift modifier associated with its
keycode) but the Shift_R keysym cannot be made to be something other
than a Shift key.  To do that, you have to use a keysym other than
Shift.

The spec is fairly difficult to understand, but this is definitely what
it says.

-- 
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When I use xemacs , the command C-h i is not right.
when I type 'c-h i', it says "Symbole's function definition is void:
toolbar-make-button-list". I do not know why. 

If someone knows , please help me!

Thanks





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In article <w4rohmm1aml.fsf@asta.mc.ab.com>,
>>In character ("raw") sub-mode:
>>Each character type is sent to the inferior process, except for C-c.
>
>I don't seem to be getting that.  When I type a TAB, it just gets echoed
>to the term buffer, instead of being sent to tcsh.

If you're runnning under X, some of the special keys are special events.
The keybindings in "raw-mode" may not be quite right.  (Esc is known
to only work as a prefix character, which means using vi is difficult.)
However, tab does work for me using 19.30 under Linux under X,
and as far as I know it still works in 19.31.

Make sure that the mode-line say "Term: char run".  That indicates it
it is in char (raw) mode.  "Term: line run" indicates it is in
line (cooked) mode.  See below for more info.

>The reason I am trying an alternative to shell.el is that I have grown
>weary of it's inability to keep track of the current directory, and
>the way that completely messes up filename-completion.

You can ask the shell to *tell* Term what the current directory is.
See below.

>Tcsh does a fine job with completion.  How do I get term.el to pass TAB, C-x,
>C-a, C-u, and so on, directly to tcsh?

This should all work, as long as you are in char mode.

>I am running emacs-19.31.  Is there any documentation in that
>distribution?

Not as far as I know.  Here is the current README.eterm:

This new term-mode is a merge of the comint shell mode with a
ANSI-compatible terminal-emulator.

If you're using emacs-19.23 (or newer) or xemacs-19.11 (or newer),
and only want the terminal-emulator itself, just load the file
term.el.  (You probably want to byte-compile it first, especially
if you have a slow machine.)

To start term do M-x term RETURN.

Compared to terminal.el:
* Uses standard ANSI (vt102) escape sequences.
* High-lighting (inverse video, underline, bold) are supported.
* Fully integrated into shell mode.
* Can switch back and forth between character mode (acts like xterm)
  and line mode (acts like old shell mode).
* Tab and line breaks are stored in buffer (so cut and paste will get
  the correct tabs and line breaks), but terminal motion uses the
  "visible" layout of the screen (and display programs can assume
  tab, cr and lf work as on plain terminal).

In character ("raw") sub-mode:
Each character type is sent to the inferior process, except for C-c.
C-c C-c	Send a C-c to the inferior.
C-c C-j	Enter line sub-mode
C-c OTHER Same as cooked C-x map
Can use bash line editing, filename completion, and history.
Can run emacs in an emacs window! (bash users first do: export -n DISPLAY)

In line ("cooked") mode:
Like traditional shell mode
C-c C-k	Enter character sub-mode

Either character or line sub-mode:
C-c C-q Toggle pager sub-mode (enable or disable)
The "pager" provides functionality similar to the "more" program:
Whenever a screenful has been received, emacs stops reading from
the process until you type the appropriate key.  (The key 'h' provides help.)
The pager is smart enough that you can leave it on,  even while
running full-screen interactive programs inside a shell window.
(The pager does not work under xemacs 19.11.)

The file tshell.el is a preliminary replacement for shell mode.
After loading it, you invoke it with M-x tshell RET.
This needs a little work, and is not recommended.  It differs from
term-mode in that it starts in line mode, and it performs directory
tracking.  Such directory tracking cannot be made reliable.
It you're running bash, it is better to just use term-mode and have
bash tell term the current directory.  You can do that by adding
the following to your ~/.bashrc:

	if [ "$TERM" = "eterm" ]; then
	  PROMPT_COMMAND='echo "^Z/${PWD}"'
	fi
[Note the ^Z is a literal ctrl/Z.]

The file tgud.el is a preliminary replacement for gud.el, including
gdb-mode.  After loading it, invoke "tgdb-mode" with M-x tgdb RET.

An alternative is to run gdb from term (or tshell) mode.
Just start gdb with the --fullname flag.  This will cause gdb to
ask emacs to display proper source frame on break-points -
even over a telnet/rlogin link!  You would not be able to use the
gud-specific commands, but you can use gdb/readline line editing.

If you're using terminfo, copy the e directory (itself, not just
the files in it) into the emacs 'etc' directory (as given by
ESC ESC data-directory RET), so you have ..../etc/e/eterm.
(Your system uses terminfo if ESC ESC (boundp 'system-uses-terminfo) RET
return t.)  If you can't do that, replace the word "data-directory"
in term.el by a string naming this directory.

The file TODO.term notes ideas for improvements.

The file term.texi contain some notes that one day may become part
of a manual.

Term.el will be in the next emacs release from the FSF.
It will also probably be in the next xemacs release.
The comint-based shell.el and gud.el will be replaced later.
Telnet.el can then be junked.
Long-term, term.el will replace comint.el, but can co-exist with it.

Comments and bug fixes should be sent to Per Bothner (bothner@cygnus.com).
Note that I'm new to emacs hacking, so improvements are very welcome.
-- 
	--Per Bothner
Cygnus Support     bothner@cygnus.com

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cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu (Chuck Thompson) writes:

> 
>     Wayne> What does the x stand for?
> 
> What does the X in XEmacs stand for?  X-tended.  The reality is that
> it doesn't stand for anything in particular.  The name was chosen by a
> bunch of marketing types who barely knew what Emacs was.

Perhaps Linus Torvalds can shed some light on the matter:[1]

[discussing names]
: You _have_ to have the "x", something the Hurd people entirely
: forgot and probably explains all the problems with the Hurd). 



Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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Hi All-

I'm sure that if I read long enough I would be able to find the answer to 
this, but I'm just learning XEmacs and info and don't really know a lick 
of lisp yet (but someday...), but I'd like to try and get my main info 
dir file in such a condition that it can point to other info files than 
just the ones that came with the xemacs package, and although I think I 
know how to do that as far as editing the dir file goes, I don't know how 
to tell emacs to look in other directories for info files, so that when I 
edit the dir file, and then try to follow an added menu item in that info 
directory, I get the message "filename does not exist".

Well, I know it exists because my GNU info application knows where it is 
and can read it ok, so I know it's just a matter of telling XEmacs where 
to look.  

I found this choice little piece of information in the XEmacs dir file
itself, but.... 

[snip]
Rather than adding new nodes to this directory (and this file) it is a better
idea to put them in a site-local directory, and then configure info to search
in that directory as well.  That way, you won't have to re-edit this file 
when
a new release of the editor comes out.

For example, you could add this code to .../lisp/site-start.el, which is
loaded before ~/.emacs each time the editor starts up:

  ;; find local info nodes
  (setq Info-directory-list
        (append Info-directory-list '("/private/info/")))

Then, when you enter info, the contents of the file
"/private/info/localdir" will be appended to the contents of this file
(where the "* Locals:" line is.) The "localdir" file should simply contain
lines like in this file, listing the names of the info files in its
directory. 
[snip]

but it doesn't work...

Here's what I did.  I have lots of info files in /usr/info which are used 
by the GNU emacs info application.  So, I made a site-start.el file in 
the directory:

/usr2/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/

and it looks like this:

darkstar:/usr2/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp# more site-start.el
  ;; find local info nodes
  (setq Info-directory-list
        (append Info-directory-list '("/usr/info/")))
darkstar:/usr2/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp# 

I mean geez, I barely touched it!  I just changed /private in the example 
to /usr...  

Then, IAW the guidance following the example, I made a symbolic link
"localdir" in the directory /usr/info which pointed to the GNU dir info
file.  So the file /usr/info/localdir does exist, but the described 
behavior does not occur.  Specifically, the line `* Locals' at the end of 
the XEmacs info dir file (after the W3 line)

* W3::          A browser for the World Wide Web global hypertext system.
* Locals:

does not show up when I run the info application, and, as soon as I start 
XEmacs, I get the following message in the message buffer:

Symbol's value as variable is void: Info-directory-list

Could someone save me a huge amount of reading and time and tell me how 
to get the desired behavior?  I'd eventually like to be able to add some 
number of directories to the `Info-directory-list'.  I'd really 
appreciate it!

Thanks alot!




\\________________________________________________________________\
//                                                                /
>>====================>
>>---->

plan Ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system.... First.

Kevin S. ford
ksford@nps.navy.mil



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>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barlow <dan@detached.demon.co.uk> writes:

Daniel> In article <31C08570.27A2C6B2@shoreland.com>,
Daniel> Thanva Khouvongsavanh  <thanva@shoreland.com> wrote:
>> Help:

>> I am running linux 1.2.13, I downloaded and installed Elf for
>> xemacs 19.13 as specified in the README. When I try to run the
>> binary I get a can't resolve sybol '_h_errno'. Any help would be
>> appreciated.

Daniel> This is an FAQ in the strict sense of the word, though
Daniel> unfortunately not answered in any list of them that I know of.

It is now officially in the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

-- 
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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I just discovered the RCS feature under Xemacs -- it is 
pretty neat. One problem, though: suppose my Xemacs is 
split into a source file (Fortran mode) and a shell. 
If I enter c-x v v while the cursor is in the Fortran 
buffer, it prompts me for information about the version
in what USED to be the shell buffer. When I give the 
information and enter C-c C-c to save it, the buffer 
disappears. I am left with only a Fortran buffer, and no 
shell buffer. How can I change things so that when 
I enter C-c C-c, I revert to having two buffers, a
Fortran buffer and a shell buffer. 

Please email me. I appreciate the work that has 
gone into Xemacs and its ancestors. 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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From: justin@mcm.com (Justin Gordon)
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In-Reply-To: Glenn Carr's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:44:31 -0500
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Try:
Ctrl-x $
set-selective-display:
Set `selective-display' to ARG; clear it if no arg.
When the value of `selective-display' is a number > 0,
lines whose indentation is >= that value are not displayed.
The variable `selective-display' has a separate value for each buffer.

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: display directory of file in mode line?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:10:16 -0500
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The mode line by default displays a file name, 
but not the directory of the file. How can I display 
the directory as well as the file name in the mode line,
abbreviating my home directory with the standard ~ ?

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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Hi all,
	When I save mail in VM using "s" it just gives the directory name in the
mini buffer. Instead, how can we make vm think like elm and try to save by
default in the file named after the login id of the person who has sent the
mail...

Thanks in advance

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I recently downloaded the source for xemacs 19.13.  I followed the
installation instructions carefully, and it seemed to compile and
install without error.  Still, I can't get it to run.  I'm running
linux 1.2.13 on a 486.

If I run xemacs from the command line, as soon as it comes up the
minibuffer says:

Wrong type argument: syntax-table-p []

If I give any keyboard input, the program exits immediately, with the
following lines:

Fatal error (6)
Your files have been auto-saved.
IOT trap/Abort

If I run the program from within X, the screen comes up with the same
error message in the minibuffer.  If I click on any of the drop down
menu items, it only beeps.  If I click on any of the toolbar icons,
the program exits immediately with the following error:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file elhash.c, line 112 gc_in_progress
Fatal error (6)
Your files have been auto-saved.

I've been working my way through the abundant documentation, but so
far have found nothing to shed light on my problem.  Could someone
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> Symbol's value as variable is void: Info-directory-list

Kevin, this means that at the time when you try to append to this list, the
variable is not yet defined, because the info package is not yet loaded.
The easiest way to fix this is to setq the list instead of appendeing to it.
First, find out what the original value of the list is (C-h v on the variable
name). Then 
  (setq Info-directory-list '("/usr/info/" <original value(s)>))
The disadvantage here is that you'd have to update this every time when the
xemacs distribution moves (ie the original value changes).

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>>>>> "Vivek" == Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

Vivek; The mode line by default displays a file name, 
Vivek; but not the directory of the file. How can I display 
Vivek; the directory as well as the file name in the mode line,
Vivek; abbreviating my home directory with the standard ~ ?

Here's one solution. I stopped using it, though, because it does not
behave well with VC. YMMV.

;--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
;Return-Path: <gildea@bbn.com>
;To: info-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
;Subject: new version of uniquify.el
;Date: Wed, 07 Jun 89 13:36:40 -0400
;From: Stephen Gildea <gildea@bbn.com>
;;
;; sccsid @(#)uniquify.el	1.2 4D 94/06/09-11:32:48
;
;Uniquify is a package that allows your buffers to have intelligent
;names if you are editting more than one file with the same name.  The
;package uses the name of the enclosing directory or directories to
;generate unique buffer names.
;
;The version posted here causes no modifications at all to non-conflicting
;buffer names when minimum-buffer-name-dir-content is 0, which was also
;changed to be the default.  It also cleans up some of the cruft in the
;previous version.
;
; < Stephen


;;; uniquify.el  Unique buffer names in a rational way
;;; Time stamp <89/06/05 11:50:27 gildea>
;;; Copyright (c) 1989 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 1 as
;;; published by the Free Software Foundation.

;;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.

;;; Doesn't correctly handle new buffer names created by M-x write-file

;;; Originally by Dick King <king@kestrel> 15 May 86
;;; Converted for Emacs 18 by Stephen Gildea <gildea@bbn.com>
;;; Make minimum-buffer-name-dir-content 0 truly non-invasive  gildea 23 May 89
;;; Some cleanup.  minimum-buffer-name-dir-content default 0 gildea 01 Jun 89

(provide 'uniquify)

(defvar mnemonic-buffer-names t
  "*If non-nil, uniquifies buffer names with parts of directory name.")

(defvar minimum-buffer-name-dir-content 0
  "*Minimum parts of directory pathname included in buffer name.")

(defmacro uniquify-push (item list)
  (` (setq (, list) (cons (, item) (, list)))))

(defmacro fix-list-base (a)
  (` (car (, a))))

(defmacro fix-list-filename (a)
  (` (car (cdr (, a)))))

(defmacro fix-list-buffer (a)
  (` (car (cdr (cdr (, a))))))

(defmacro uniquify-cadddr (a)
  (` (car (cdr (cdr (cdr (, a)))))))


;;; Main entry point.

(defun rationalize-file-buffer-names (&optional newbuffile newbuf)
  "Makes file buffer names unique by adding segments from pathname.
If minimum-buffer-name-dir-content > 0, always pulls that many
pathname elements.  Arguments cause only a subset of buffers to be renamed."
  (interactive)
  (let (fix-list
	non-file-buffer-names
	(depth minimum-buffer-name-dir-content))
    (mapcar 'distribute-buffer-name-stuff (buffer-list))
    ;; selects buffers whose names may need changing, and others that
    ;; may conflict. 
    (setq fix-list
	  (sort fix-list 'backward-filename-string-lessp-fix-list-filename))
    ;; bringing conflicting names together
    (rationalize-a-list fix-list depth)
    (mapcar 'do-the-buffers-you-couldnt-rationalize fix-list)))


(defun distribute-buffer-name-stuff (buffer)
  ;; Sets the free variables fix-list and non-file-buffer-names.
  ;; Uses free variables newbuffile and newbuf.
  (let* ((bfn (if (eq buffer newbuf)
		  (expand-file-name newbuffile)
		(buffer-file-name buffer)))
	 (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))
	 (deserving (and rawname
			 (or (not newbuffile)
			     (equal rawname
				    (file-name-nondirectory newbuffile))))))
    (if deserving
	(uniquify-push (list rawname bfn buffer nil) fix-list)
      (uniquify-push (list (buffer-name buffer)) non-file-buffer-names))))


(defun backward-filename-string-lessp-fix-list-filename (s1 s2)
  (backward-filename-string-lessp
   (fix-list-filename s1) (fix-list-filename s2)))

(defun backward-filename-string-lessp (s1 s2)
  (let ((s1f (file-name-nondirectory s1))
	(s2f (file-name-nondirectory s2)))
    (and (not (equal s2f ""))
	 (or (string-lessp s1f s2f)
	     (and (equal s1f s2f)
		  (let ((s1d (file-name-directory s1))
			(s2d (file-name-directory s2)))
		    (and (not (<= (length s2d) 1))
			 (or (<= (length s1d) 1)
			     (backward-filename-string-lessp
			      (substring s1d 0 -1)
			      (substring s2d 0 -1))))))))))

(defun do-the-buffers-you-couldnt-rationalize (item)
  (or (uniquify-cadddr item) nil))	;maybe better in the future

(defun rationalize-a-list (fix-list depth)
  (let (conflicting-sublist
	(old-name "")
	proposed-name possibly-resolvable)
    (mapcar 'go-through-an-item-on-fix-list fix-list)
    (flush-fix-list)))

(defun go-through-an-item-on-fix-list (item)
  (setq proposed-name (get-proposed-name))
  (if (not (equal proposed-name old-name))
      (flush-fix-list))      
  (uniquify-push item conflicting-sublist)
  (setq old-name proposed-name))

(defun get-proposed-name ()
  (let (index (extra-string "") (n depth)
	      (base (fix-list-base item)) (fn (fix-list-filename item)))
    (while (and (> n 0)
		(setq index (string-match
			     (concat "/[^/]*/"
				     (regexp-quote extra-string)
				     (regexp-quote base)
				     "\\'")
			     fn)))
      (setq extra-string (substring fn 
				    (if (zerop index) 0 (1+ index))
				    (- (length base)))
	    n (1- n)))
    (if (zerop n) (setq possibly-resolvable t))
    (if (string-equal extra-string "")
	base
      (concat base "|" extra-string))))

(defun flush-fix-list ()
  (or (null conflicting-sublist)
      (and (null (cdr conflicting-sublist))
	   (not (assoc old-name non-file-buffer-names))
	   (or (rename-the-buffer (car conflicting-sublist) old-name)
	       t))
      (if possibly-resolvable
	  (rationalize-a-list conflicting-sublist (1+ depth))))
  (setq conflicting-sublist nil))

(defun rename-the-buffer (item newname)
  (let ((buffer (fix-list-buffer item)))
    (if (not (equal newname (buffer-name buffer)))
	(let ((unset (current-buffer)))
	  (set-buffer buffer)
	  (rename-buffer newname)
	  (set-buffer unset))))
  (rplaca (nthcdr 3 item) t))

;;; Hooks from the rest of Emacs

(defun create-file-buffer (filename)	;from files.el
  "Creates a suitably named buffer for visiting FILENAME, and returns it."
  (let ((base (file-name-nondirectory filename)))
    (let ((buf (generate-new-buffer base)))
      (if mnemonic-buffer-names
	  (rationalize-file-buffer-names filename buf))
      buf)))

(defun dired-find-buffer (dirname)	;from dired.el
  (let ((blist (buffer-list))
	found)
    (while blist
      (save-excursion
        (set-buffer (car blist))
	(if (and (eq major-mode 'dired-mode)
		 (equal dired-directory dirname))
	    (setq found (car blist)
		  blist nil)
	  (setq blist (cdr blist)))))
    (or found
	(progn (if (string-match "/$" dirname)
		   (progn
		     (if (= (length dirname) 1)   ;; AJK
			 (setq dirname "/")       ;; AJK
		       (setq dirname (substring dirname 0 -1)))
		     )
		 )
	       (create-file-buffer (if mnemonic-buffer-names
				       dirname
				     (file-name-nondirectory dirname)))))))

;--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ddddf.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* New Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                    */
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To: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: display directory of file in mode line?

At 18:10 16/06/96 -0500, Vivek Rao wrote:
>The mode line by default displays a file name, 
>but not the directory of the file. How can I display 
>the directory as well as the file name in the mode line,
>abbreviating my home directory with the standard ~ ?

Here's what I do in my .emacs :

;;; Mode Line buffer/file name display
(setq-default mode-line-buffer-identification '(buffer-file-name "%f" "%b"))
                    ,,,
                   (@-@)
  +----------oOO----(_)-----------------+
  |             David Hughes            |
  |         Tel: +44 1223 585613        |
  |        dhughes@origin-at.co.uk      |
  |  Origin UK, Science Park, Cambridge |
  +------------------------oOO----------+
                  |  |  |
                  |__|__|
                   || ||
                  ooO Ooo


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From: Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
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Subject: Automatically finding C functions in c-mode
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Hi

Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and load the file
they are in? For example, if I am in a buffer, and I have the cursor on
a call to functionA(), I want to enter some key sequence, or mouse
click, and ctags or something, is used to locate the function, and  the
file that defines functionA() is loaded, with the cursor on the
definition of functionA()...

I have looked through the FAQ, and can't see anything there.

Thanks,

Natalie Kershaw (R&D Software)          | nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au
SCITEC LIMITED                          | Phone +61 2 428 9555
2 Apollo Place, Lane Cove, NSW 2066     | Fax   +61 2 428 9933

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From: palme@wrcs3.urz.uni-wuppertal.de (Hubert Palme)
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Subject: Colors in dired, rmail, ...
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Hi all,

FSF Emacs shows e.g. directories (dired mode) and rmail screens
hilited very well with a lot of colors. Xemacs does only boldface and
italic fonts and thus the display is not as clear as the FSF Emacs one
is. How can I get it colorful with Xemacs? (btw., C programs anf LaTeX
files ARE colorful hilited!)

Thanks in advance,
======================================================================
Hubert Palme         Bergische Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Wuppertal
                                      Computing  Center
                                      D-42097 Wuppertal
Email: palme@uni-wuppertal.de             (Germany)
http://www.uni-wuppertal.de/hrz/daten/adressen/h.palme.html

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From: ecapaldi <ecapaldi@bdm.com>
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Subject: Where are the ftp & FAQ sites for xemacs?
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This must get asked very often, but here it is again:
what are the ftp and faq locations for xemacs (HPUX 10.01) and how does one log in 
to them?


Eric Capaldi
ecapaldi@bdm.com
"Speaking only for myself etc..."


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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@ceg.uiuc.edu>
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In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960617074032.6aefe0da@gatekeeper> (message from David Hughes on Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:40:32 +0100)
Subject: Re: display directory of file in mode line?

Thanks for your suggestion. Here is a related question, if you don't
mind.

If I am running a shell within Xemacs, I would like the mode line to
specify the current directory -- give the same output as 'pwd'. 
Can this be done?

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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>>>>> "ecapaldi" == ecapaldi  <ecapaldi@bdm.com> writes:

    ecapaldi> This must get asked very often, but here it is again:
    ecapaldi> what are the ftp and faq locations for xemacs (HPUX
    ecapaldi> 10.01) and how does one log in to them?

ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs 
(or using a command line client:
	ftp ftp.xemacs.org
	login: anonymous
	password: <your-email-address>
	cd /pub/xemacs
)

http://www.xemacs.org/ (this has a link to the XEmacs FAQ in HTML format)

(I think the url for the master version of the FAQ is
http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html)

Achim

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At 08:43 17/06/96 -0500, Vivek Rao wrote:
>Thanks for your suggestion. Here is a related question, if you don't
>mind.
>
>If I am running a shell within Xemacs, I would like the mode line to
>specify the current directory -- give the same output as 'pwd'. 
>Can this be done?

I believe there is a way of doing this. I am running Win-Emacs at the moment
(a version of XEmacs for MS Windows) which does not support shells so I
cannot get hold of the incantation. However, you might get a clue if you
type C-hm from within a shell. Sorry I can't be any more help than that, but
I do remember having the current directory displayed within shell mode when
I last used XEmacs so do persevere!

-- David


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[this was also posted]
>From: bothner@cygnus.com (Per Bothner)
>In article <w4rohmm1aml.fsf@asta.mc.ab.com>,
>>>In character ("raw") sub-mode:
>>>Each character type is sent to the inferior process, except for C-c.

>>I don't seem to be getting that.  When I type a TAB, it just gets echoed
>>to the term buffer, instead of being sent to tcsh.


>However, tab does work for me using 19.30 under Linux under X,
>and as far as I know it still works in 19.31.
>Make sure that the mode-line say "Term: char run".  That indicates it
>it is in char (raw) mode.  "Term: line run" indicates it is in
>line (cooked) mode.  See below for more info.
>This should all work, as long as you are in char mode.

When I start term, it comes up in "Term: char run" mode.  And all the
control characters are just echoed to the buffer instead of being passed
to the shell.

Haven't tried it on my Linux box, yet.  I'm sitting at a DECstation-5000
running Ultrix-4.3 with fvwm.  Windowing back to my workstation from a
Sparc SunOS-4.3 box it behaves the same (wrong) way.

Maybe there is something wrong with the version of term.el that is
shipped with emacs-19.31?  The version I have doesn't seem to have any
version or date, but I can tell you it is 3261 lines long.


thanks,
tw

-- 
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but the dust does not stir.

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>>>>> "BW" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

BW> 1) Microsoft did a piss-poor job of writing the Win32 console/pipe
BW>    API.

Actually, the reason it sucks is because the DOS console/pipe "API"
sucks royally, and Microsoft put a lot of work into making the Win32
interface to it work "correctly".  Win32 is not the problem, DOS is.

BW> 2) Notwithstanding that, Windows NT is at least a fairly robust and
BW>    well-behaved operating system.  Win95, on the other hand, is a
BW>    nightmare to develop for -- the product of "a half-dozen smart
BW>    coders and a thousand monkeys", as people are wont to say.

So, develop for/on NT, since anything that gets the "Made for Windows95"
seal from Microsoft must be tested on NT anyway.  Most NT apps that do
not rely (or utilize) very NT-specifc segments of the OS will run just
fine on 95.  For example, ntemacs.

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On 15 Jun 1996 19:02:09 +0200, "Jens Emmerich" <jens.emmerich@psi.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> "Heiko" == Heiko Klein <a2662914@smail1.rrz.uni-koeln.de> writes:
>
>    Heiko> that. What do I have to get or to change?
>
>You have to install a german dictionary. Here is an anouncement:
>
>ftp.informatik.uni-kiel.de:/pub/kiel/dicts/hk-deutsch.tar.gz

Using

ftp.informatik.uni-kiel.de:/pub/kiel/dicts/hk2-deutsch.tar.gz

you get a newer version of the german dictionary.

Ciao, Dirk

-- 
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dh@informatik.uni-hannover.de  http://www-c.informatik.uni-hannover.de/~dh
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: querying the column, Fortran mode, mode line
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I have three unrelated questions/comments:

The command M-x what-line identifies the line #. Is 
there a corresponding command to identify the column #?
There is no M-x what-column; I wish there were. 

Here is a suggestion for Fortran mode. When one goes past 
column 72, the standard length of a Fortran line, the color of font
should change. I find the different colors for Fortran key words and
comments to be very useful. 

I have split my Xemacs into many buffers. On each mode line
there appears the text '2.26 Mail'. The '2.26' changes to 
another number occasionally. I don't understand what the number
or the 'Mail' signifies. 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: display time only in ONE modeline
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When I split my Xemacs into many buffers, the time is 
displayed in EACH mode line. I would like to display 
the time ONLY in the mode-line of the buffer at the 
bottom left, to save space on the mode line.
Alternatively, I would like to display the time only
in the mode line of shell buffers. Can this be done?

______________________________________
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Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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Subject: Re: Automatically finding C functions in c-mode
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Natalie Kershaw wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and load the file
> they are in? For example, if I am in a buffer, and I have the cursor on
> a call to functionA(), I want to enter some key sequence, or mouse
> click, and ctags or something, is used to locate the function, and  the
> file that defines functionA() is loaded, with the cursor on the
> definition of functionA()...
> 
> I have looked through the FAQ, and can't see anything there.

look at tags in info.  Basically run etags to create a TAGS file, and
then visit the tags file...


M-| etags *.c *.h ;; only need to do this when sources change
M-x visit-tags-table TAGS ;; just created
M-.  (find-tag)

I think visit-tags-table is the old way to do it, but it
works for me.

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I went thru the same issues with Info across multiple versions of (X)Emacs and
Info.  Thus far, each version of this seems to have its little idiosyncracies.
As of XEmacs 19.13 and Emacs 19.28, here is what I've found:

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin S Ford <kford@bruno.jpl.nasa.gov> writes:

>   ;; find local info nodes
>   (setq Info-directory-list
>         (append Info-directory-list '("/usr/info/")))

If this is the first reference to Info-directory-list in your .emacs (or
related) files, then:

1. In XEmacs, change the second Info-directory-list to
   Info-default-directory-list.  Thereafter, only append to
   Info-directory-list and always like your statement above.
2. In Emacs, reverse the append statement (ie. have /usr/info before
   Info-directory-list), don't use Info-default-directory-list, and always
   append in this reversed manner.

> Then, IAW the guidance following the example, I made a symbolic link
> "localdir" in the directory /usr/info which pointed to the GNU dir info
> file.  So the file /usr/info/localdir does exist, but the described 
> behavior does not occur.

1. XEmacs uses localdir files that *only* contain the menu items for the local
   info files -- they don't look like complete dir files!
2. FSF Emacs uses a series of dir files -- each one looks like a regular dir
   file but the menus items only list the local directories.

> Specifically, the line `* Locals' at the end of the XEmacs info dir file
> (after the W3 line)

> * W3::          A browser for the World Wide Web global hypertext system.
> * Locals:

> does not show up when I run the info application, 

I don't believe that Info mode in either Emacs puts in the Locals line, they
simply add the local menu items to the end of the list.

> and, as soon as I start XEmacs, I get the following message in the message
> buffer:

> Symbol's value as variable is void: Info-directory-list

Try using Info-default-directory-list as I said above.

These inconsistencies between Info-modes is a pain if you're trying to support
more than one Emacs.
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From: Dave Esposito <dave.esposito@ustc.vlsi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: adding seperator in menus
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:26:54 -0400
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Julien Maillard wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> is there a simple way to add a separator in a menu of the menubar? I
> would like to add a sperator above the following:
> (add-menu-button '("Tools") [ "Insert date" insert-date t ])
> I know i need "----" somewhere but that's about it... i checked the
> FAQ and big-menubar.el but I don't need to rebuild the entire
> menubar...
> 
> thanks!
> 
> --
> Julien Maillard                                       maillard@vt.edu
> Virginia Tech
>                 tel: (540) 231 4285,  fax: (540) 231 8836

Here's how I do it:

     '("Menu"
       ["Menu command1"     lisp-command        t]
       ["Menu command2"     lisp-command        t]
       "------"  ; seperator
       ["Menu command3"     lisp-command        t]
       ["Menu command4"     lisp-command        t]
      )
good luck,
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(Only six more shopping days left until 19.14 is released).

I've done extensive modifications to the Installation and Trouble
Shooting sections of the XEmacs FAQ, so it is fair to say at this
point that if you have only seen the FAQ included in the 19.13
release, you've only seen a fraction of the material now available.

The XEmacs FAQ's primary home is on the World Wide Web at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
and mirrored at:
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Changes are made as necessary, this is *not* a static document.  To
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>>>>> On 14 Jun 1996 14:52:35 -0400, werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim
>>>>> werner) said:

  tim> [...]  The reason I am trying an alternative to shell.el is
  tim> that I have grown weary of it's inability to keep track of the
  tim> current directory, and the way that completely messes up
  tim> filename-completion.  [...]

While I think that eterm is a useful thing (I use xterm for that,
though :) I would like to call your attention to the nifty shellFOO
packages by Si.

There is shelldb, shellt, shellc and shells and one other (which
doesn't start with shell) all of which can be found in the LCD.

The combination of these allows you to do nifty stuff like typing
`find . -na' then hitting TAB and getting the `-na' expanded to
`-name'.  Of course, you can define your own completions for commands,
so that `lpr -P TAB' gives you a list of printers and stuff like that.

Also, I have rather seldom got any problem with shellt losing track of
the current directory.  Sometimes, strange things appear on my screen
(`IgnoreThisLineOfDirectoryInfo' or something); I just hit RET once
again and everything is just fine.

There is also j-shell which I had been using a couple of years ago.
Don't know if it still works, though.  Also nice.

hth,
kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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Subject: Can't run gnuserv w/19.13
Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:39:39 GMT
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I am running XEmacs 19.13 on SUN Sparcstation IPC and everytime I tried to
bring up gnuserv either via initialization or command line I'd always get
this message:
"Can't run gnuserv because server.el appears to be loaded already"

Does anybody know why? What do I need to do to get gnuserv to work? 
I even tried running server-start and still got the same message!!
Thanks.

-- 
Van P. Trinh                    
Siemens Rolm Communications Inc.
Santa Clara, CA (408)492-2092   

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From: seguin@engin.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
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Subject: C/C++/Perl indenting questions/problems
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Hi.  I'd like to switch over to XEmacs from GNU Emacs, but I will
only do so if I can have a smooth transition.

Sooo.... here's what I'm looking for:

C/C++/Perl/... modes that work the way that I expect.  Ie,

MyClass::MyMethod(int &a, float b, float c)
{
   int tmpA;
   float tmpB, tmpC;	// b

   if (someCondition)
      {
      // blah blah blah
      cerr << "Blah blah blah!" << endl;
      }
   else
      {
      // Else: blah blah blah
      cerr << "else: Blah blah blah!" << endl;
      }
}



Ie, I like to have my braces appear on the next line, and indented 3
(or whatever), and all statements to appear on the same column as
the containing braces.
Surely I'm not the only person who does this.

So, how do I force XEmacs (and at the same time GNU Emacs) to do
it's indenting this way?


I also want highlighting similar to hilit19.  I see that XEmacs potentially
could be MUCH nicer for stuff than GNU emacs, but I just don't have the
time to work all the elisp for it.

Ideally, I would have elisp that would handle each of GNU Emacs and XEmacs.
I know the stuff about checking to see what version you are running, and I
have already worked out Epoch style keybindings for handling frames, screens,
(I hate having to type C-x 5 ...,  C-z  works for me.)  ...


Thanks.
-Ralph






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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Xemacs syntax coloring for Fortran ! comments
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:03:52 -0500
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I like the syntax coloring in Fortran mode. One 
minor flaw is that inline comments having the 
format 

	do igrid=1,n	! loop over grid points

are NOT recognized as comments. Only the old style of comments

c	loop over grid points
	do igrid=1,n

is recognized. Does anyone know how Xemacs can be 'taught'
to recognize inline comments?

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
vivek@uiuc.edu			      
http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
______________________________________

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Subject: Displaying images in a buffer
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Does anyone have any small self contained code to load in an image
into a buffer at a given point?  I have just had a quick look at the
w3 source, but couldnt see very easily how I could load in a file
(GIF/PNM/XPM) into a buffer. All I could find was the glph info from
the lispref.info files, but no self contained code (and I couldnt see
anything on the FAQ).  Does this mean that it is a fairly involved
task?

The reason I would like to do this is that I have quite a few images
that I would like to annotate very quickly with plain text -- so once
the image is in a buffer, I would then want to be able to save the
buffer (text + image) as a postscript file.

I am using xemacs 19.12.  Thanks in advance for any pointers.  



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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Vladimir Alexiev wrote:

> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted
> as well. Before you reply to it, please consider if it is not better to also
> post your reply. Please do not reply if you only want to say thank-you.

Vladimir-

I did not see your message on the news, but perhaps my server is slow in 
updating.  Anyway, I thought I'd reply and post as well, because perhaps 
someone else can get something from this, too.


> 
> > Symbol's value as variable is void: Info-directory-list
> 
> Kevin, this means that at the time when you try to append to this list, the
> variable is not yet defined, because the info package is not yet loaded.

So, I think I understand that site-start.el gets read as soon as XEmacs 
starts up, and that's why Info-directory-list is not yet defined.  My 
only question then is:  Is the guidance that I read in the XEmacs Info 
application's `dir' file incorrect?  Apparently so, because it's not 
working like it says it should in that file, _and_ because of the reason 
that you just described.

Given that this is the case, is there some way of having this attempted 
append only be attempted _after_ the Info application has started up (as 
opposed to the current situtation which is as soon as I start XEmacs), and 
thus having it be a successful append?  If so, then perhaps the guidance 
in that `dir' info file should be altered to describe the procedure.  
What I have in mind is some sort of conditional requirement, but I 
wouldn't have a clue as to how to go about this.

I did notice when I said C-h v that I could apparently just define the 
environment variable INFOPATH and accomplish my desired goal, but I still 
would like to know how to do it with XEmacs, if possible, so that my 
understanding of the application would improve.

> The easiest way to fix this is to setq the list instead of appendeing to it.
> First, find out what the original value of the list is (C-h v on the variable
> name). Then 
>   (setq Info-directory-list '("/usr/info/" <original value(s)>))
> The disadvantage here is that you'd have to update this every time when the
> xemacs distribution moves (ie the original value changes).
> 
If all else fails, then I may try this, but like you said, there is a 
disadvantage with this.

Thanks for the note, Vladimir.


\\________________________________________________________________\
//                                                                /
>>====================>
>>---->

plan Ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system.... First.

Kevin S. ford
ksford@nps.navy.mil



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From: David Thompson <dcthomp@medet.unm.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:21:25 -0600
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Rick Baartman wrote:
> How can I change the way Xemacs recognizes comments?
> In LaTeX-mode % is correctly recognized as a comment, but /% should be
> ignored, but is not.

You have the slash going the wrong way. XEmacs does ignore \%, which
produces a percent sign in LaTeX. Thank goodness for search and
replace, eh? :-)

		David

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From: andersl@csd.uu.se (Anders Lindgren)
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Subject: Re: display time only in ONE modeline
Date: 18 Jun 1996 07:40:26 +0200
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In article <31C58149.6BB0@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> Vivek Rao
<vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

> When I split my Xemacs into many buffers, the time is 
> displayed in EACH mode line. I would like to display 
> the time ONLY in the mode-line of the buffer at the 
> bottom left, to save space on the mode line.
> Alternatively, I would like to display the time only
> in the mode line of shell buffers. Can this be done?

My solution to this is to display the time in the frame title, this
only works assuming that you are using X-windows or another window
system supporting frame titles.  The following code implements this:


(setq display-time-day-and-date t
      display-time-24hr-format t)   ;; European time.
(display-time)

;; `system-name' variable is not defined in XEmacs.
(defvar my-system-name (system-name)
  "The name of the system we are running on.")

(cond (window-system
       (setq frame-title-format 
	     '((multiple-frames ("%b   ") 
				("" invocation-name "@" my-system-name))
	       "    " 
	       display-time-string))
       ;; Per default, the time and date goes into the mode line.
       ;; We want's it in the header line, so lets remove it.
       (remove-hook 'global-mode-string 'display-time-string)))

	-- Anders
-- 
              Unlike the USA, Sweden has freedom of speech.

  //  Anders Lindgren, Computer Science student at Uppsala University
\X/   andersl@csd.uu.se, <a href="http://www.csd.uu.se/~andersl">www</a>

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From: Vinay Kumar <vinayk@faslab.com>
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Subject: Help on ediff-directories
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:58:25 -0700
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Hi!! 
	I have some problem using ediff-directories fn. After the prompt
for the two directories, it prompts for the REGEXP to filter the file 
names. I tried with all kinds of regexp like ts*, 'ts*' "ts*" etc but 
it always gives me an error saying "wrong number of arguments: 
..#byte code (list1, list2).....\152..etc". I cannot compare/merge two
directories now.
	Could someone please me with this. What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks a zillion,
Vinay.
--

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From: gvr@chinook.halcyon.com (George V. Reilly)
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References: <199606052300.SAA20961@a.cs.uiuc.edu> <u7mtbxwuy.fsf@woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk> <wingDt1D1w.603@netcom.com> <x74toapiyk.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
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Richard Pieri  <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
) BW> 2) Notwithstanding that, Windows NT is at least a fairly robust and
) BW>    well-behaved operating system.  Win95, on the other hand, is a
) BW>    nightmare to develop for -- the product of "a half-dozen smart
) BW>    coders and a thousand monkeys", as people are wont to say.
) 
) So, develop for/on NT, since anything that gets the "Made for Windows95"
) seal from Microsoft must be tested on NT anyway.  Most NT apps that do
) not rely (or utilize) very NT-specifc segments of the OS will run just
) fine on 95.  For example, ntemacs.

Andrew Innes and Geoff Voelker had to do a _lot_ of work to get
NTEmacs working more or less properly on Win95.  My own
experience in developing products that have to work on both
Windows 95 and NT is that it's a complete pain in the arse, that
they're riddled with subtle, undocumented differences, and that
Win95 is pretty damn buggy.  NT works much better and I use it
all the time because I refuse to develop on Windows 95, but
testing on both platforms is an absolute necessity.
-- 
/George V. Reilly	Vim 4 beta (vi clone) for NT & Windows 95
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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xemacs.org
Hell, if they create a domain name for every new movie, you could easily bet
that xemacs would have one of its own. :-)

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From: Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be>
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Vladimir Alexiev writes:

 > xemacs.org
 > Hell, if they create a domain name for every new movie, you could easily bet
 > that xemacs would have one of its own. :-)

Great idea! A movie about XEmacs! 
I wonder who will be the bad guy(s)?  ;-)

Erik

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In article <31C507B3.6ED6@rd.scitec.com.au> Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:

   Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and load the file
   they are in? For example, if I am in a buffer, and I have the cursor on
   a call to functionA(), I want to enter some key sequence, or mouse
   click, and ctags or something, is used to locate the function, and  the
   file that defines functionA() is loaded, with the cursor on the
   definition of functionA()...

   I have looked through the FAQ, and can't see anything there.

How about looking through the info online documentation and searching
for "tags"?

In short, after you have run etags on all relevant files in your
directory,
M-. gets you to the tag in the current window, C-x 4 . in another
window, C-x 5 . in another frame...

You can specify the tag you want to jump to, default is what the
cursor is on.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5559

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Hi!
I noticed that hm--html types &something when I type in an 8bit
character. I want to turn this off and print the character
"as is". How do I do it?

Thanks in advance,

			Sergei

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Hi!!
	I am trying to use the function 'ediff-directories'. After I enter the two directory
names, it prompts for a regular expresssion to filter the file names. I tried
all sorts of regular exp. like f*, 'f*' and nil(enter nothing). I get an error
saying "Wrong number of arguments...byte code ...(list1 list2)......etc". 
	Anyone had same problem before? Any insights... 

Thanks a zillion,
Vinay.

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From: Remi <lafaye@lapp.in2p3.fr>
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Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face
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David Thompson wrote:
> 
> Rick Baartman wrote:
> > How can I change the way Xemacs recognizes comments?
> > In LaTeX-mode % is correctly recognized as a comment, but /% should be
> > ignored, but is not.
> 
> You have the slash going the wrong way. XEmacs does ignore \%, which
> produces a percent sign in LaTeX. Thank goodness for search and
> replace, eh? :-)
> 
>                 David

No!
Rick Baartman was right, it's also true for me.
In LaTeX-mode my XEmacs does not correctly
recognized a \% (yes it is backslash).

Perhaps you have a solution David?
--
Remi

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|Sat 15.6.96, Andy Noman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> comp.emacs
| Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:
| 
| > Can someone tell me how I end an ange-ftp-session in a simple way. I
| > want to close all buffers associated with a certain ftp-process, end
| > that process and close that buffer as well.


Did I answer to you already...I guess it doesn't matter if you get
this twice. Get one of my packages and you can have _VERY_ good
ange ftp handling.

Cheers!
/jari

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pick URL ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ or /ftp@cs.uta.fi:/pub/ssjaaa/ 
(The "access denied" just means the site is busy; try a little later)


;; @(#) tinydired.el -- Dired enchancements. Ange ftp support
;; Briefly:
;; o  Adds few enchancements to dired mode. Eg. keeps only one
;;    dired buffer when ascending to directories. Shortening symlinks.
;; o  User can mark and put files into STORE and start a backgroud
;;    ange-ftp session to get STORED files into download directory
;; o  Easy switching between the ange-ftp and dired buffer
;;    (finds associated buffer when user is in one of these two)
;; o  Dealing with ange ftp buffers in general
;;    (x)  killing all ange buffers at once
;;    (x)  killing all ange + dired ange buffers at once.
;;    (x)  switching to ange buffers with completion
;; o  special VC dired commands
;; o  Runs dired's "!" on ange ftp buffers (operates on local copy)
;; o  other handy dired commands, like "pop to this file in emacs."
;;    "find all marked files"...


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From: Remi <lafaye@lapp.in2p3.fr>
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Subject: [Q] Capitalizing/Lowercase
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:28:41 +0200
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Hi,

I often need t capitalize or lowercase
a part of my buffer.

Does anyone know of a function to capitalize
or lowercase the mouse selection?

Thanks
--
Remi

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>>>>> "Remi" == Remi  <lafaye@lapp.in2p3.fr> writes:

    Remi> Hi, I often need t capitalize or lowercase a part of my
    Remi> buffer.

    Remi> Does anyone know of a function to capitalize or lowercase
    Remi> the mouse selection?

C-h k M-l	(downcase-region-or-word)
C-h k M-c	(capitalize-region-or-word)
C-h k M-u	(upcase-region-or-word)

-Oliver

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: querying the column, Fortran mode, mode line
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Vivek Rao wrote:
> 
> Here is a suggestion for Fortran mode. When one goes past
> column 72, the standard length of a Fortran line, the color of font
> should change. I find the different colors for Fortran key words and
> comments to be very useful.

I've implemented this in my font-lock.el a while ago. Here is what I use 
for fortan-font-lock-keywords-3:

(defconst fortran-font-lock-keywords-3
  (purecopy
   (list
    ;; fontify comments
    '("^[cC*].*$" . font-lock-comment-face)
    '("^[^!]*\\([!]+.*$\\)" 1 font-lock-comment-face)

    ;; ----------------------------------------------------------
    ;; if you want to speed up things, remark then next block !!!
    ;; ----------------------------------------------------------

    ;; fontify first 6 chars
    ;; if only spaces in front, highlight 6th char
    '("^[ ][ ][ ][ ][ ]\\([^ ]\\)"
      1 font-lock-preprocessor-face)
    ;; everything (except numbers) in 1-5 is wrong!!!
    
'("^\\([^0-9][^0-9][^0-9][^0-9][^0-9]\\|[^0-9][^0-9][^0-9][^0-9]\\|[^0-9][^0-9][^0-9]\\|[^0-9][^0-9]\\|[^0-9]\\)"
      1 font-lock-function-name-face)

    ;; everything beyond 72' is evil
    
'("^[^cC*].......................................................................\\(.*\\)"
      1 font-lock-function-name-face t)

    ;; -------------------------------------------------------------
    ;; if you want to speed up things, remark the previous block !!!
    ;; -------------------------------------------------------------

    ;; Subroutine and function declarations & block data & implict
    ;; (move [^ \t]*.*$ outside of \\( \\) if you only want the keyword)
    '("^[ \t]*\\(program\\|subroutine\\|.*function\\|entry\\)[ \t]"
      1 font-lock-function-name-face)
    '("^[ \t]*\\(block data\\|implicit[ \t]*.*$\\)"
      1 font-lock-function-name-face)

    ;; Variable declarations
    '("^[ 
\t]*\\(integer\\|logical\\|real\\|complex\\|character\\)\\([*]\\|[ 
\t]+\\)"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*\\(double[ \t]*precision\\|parameter\\|equivalence\\)[ 
\t]+"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; Common blocks, external, etc
    '("^[ \t]*\\(common\\|save\\|external\\|intrinsic\\|data\\)[ \t]+"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; if & then & end if
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(else[ \t]*\\(if\\)\\|if\\)[ \t]*("
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("\\(then\\)[ \t]*$"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(else\\|end[ \t]*if\\)[ \t]*$"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; do & end do
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(do\\)[ \t]+\\([a-z]\\|[0-9]\\)+"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(end[ \t]*do\\)[ \t]*$"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; call & continue & go to
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(call\\|go[ \t]*to\\)[ \t]"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(continue\\)"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; output & co
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(open\\|close\\|read\\|write\\|format\\)[ 
\t]*("
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(print\\)[ \t]*[*'0-9]+"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; end & return & stop
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(end\\)[ \t]*$"
      1 font-lock-function-name-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(return\\)[ \t]*$"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)
    '("^[ \t]*[0-9]*[ \t]*\\(stop\\)[ \t]*['0-9]*"
      1 font-lock-keyword-face)

    ;; Boolean and relational operations, logical true and false
    
'("\\.\\(eqv\\|neqv\\|and\\|or\\|not\\|lt\\|le\\|eq\\|ge\\|gt\\|ne\\|true\\|false\\)\\."
      . font-lock-keyword-face)

    ))
  "For consideration as a value of `fortran-font-lock-keywords'.
This highlights nearly anything (continuation char, beyond 72th char, 
....")

This can be put into an .el file, byte-compiled and loaded in your .emacs 
file:

(load "~/fortran-font.elc")

(setq  fortran-font-lock-keywords fortran-font-lock-keywords-3)

Then you have extensive highlighting that may take a while upon loading 
fortran files. So fast-lock or lazy-lock is a must with this!

Hope that helps,
Thomas

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Automatically finding C functions in c-mode
Date: 18 Jun 1996 12:57:18 +0200
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Natalie Kershaw (nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au) wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and load the file
> they are in? For example, if I am in a buffer, and I have the cursor on
> a call to functionA(), I want to enter some key sequence, or mouse
> click, and ctags or something, is used to locate the function, and  the
> file that defines functionA() is loaded, with the cursor on the
> definition of functionA()...

Press M-. and you will be prompted for a function name. Type it, press
ENTER, and XEmacs will do exactly what you wish. Note that if the
prompt is on functionA, it will be given as a default.

Thus, to get the described behaviour, just press M-. RET

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In reply to Jari's description of his tinydired.el:
  
I often have two dired windows open, and I want to copy a file from one
window to the next.  However, the default directory to copy to is always
the one I am already in.  I want it to be the directory that is open in
the other window, if I have another window open.  Does anybody know how
to arrange this? 
                    Mark Hovey
                   hovey@math.mit.edu

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Using Xemacs 19.13, and FreeBSD-2.1.0, and trying to use ispell 3.1.18
I get an error saying:

ispell did not output version line

when I run ispell from xemacs.



When I run 'ispell -v' from the command line I get 


@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.18 01/14/95
@(#) Copyright (c), 1983, by Pace Willisson
..
..

It then just sits there doing nothing.  I can run ispell
again, successfully after that, but one ispell session 
remains dormant in the background, and xemacs squeals about
active process when I exit.  Is there any way to get around 
this?

Mark

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>Using Xemacs 19.13, and FreeBSD-2.1.0, and trying to use ispell 3.1.18
>I get an error saying:

>ispell did not output version line



I have exactly the same setup (except that I'm using SunOS 4.1.4) and
the same problem.

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  Is there a mailing list that I could subscribe to and only receive
announcements of changes to xemacs?

  Thanks.
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This is not strictly an Xemacs question, but I hope that
you will indulge me.

I used to run Xemacs by telnetting into my server and
typing xemacs &.  I tried to hack my X server such that
it would RSH onto the server and run xemacs.  This works,
except for one truly annoying difference.  When I run
a subprocess, like a bash shell or ange-ftp, the subprocess
sends lots of NUL characters to xemacs.  This is annoying in
bash, and fatal for ange-ftp as it no longer recognizes the
FTP response codes.

I imagine that this is some sort of weird tty problem, but
I tried examining the tty settings under the bash under emacs
and it looked ok.  Anyway, how would the subprocess find out
that the emacs process wasn't started from an rsh rather than
by a telnet?  Why would it care?

Has anyone encountered this?  Does anyone have a suggestion?
Thanks.



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From: Yefim Kotelskiy <kotelsk@bbn.com>
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Subject: Re: Want methods for commenting/uncommenting c-mode regions
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Erin Stanfill wrote:
> : Try C-u C-x C-x on the commented region.
> 
> I have the same problem, and this doesn't seem to work.
> 
> Erin
> --

Sorry, it was typo. If you commented region using C-c C-c (or by
mouse) than it can be uncommented by C-u C-c C-c.

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Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. wrote:
> 
> There is Dismal (DIs Mode Ain't Lotus)
> 
> ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal

Hi Joseph,

I've tried downloading dismal-1.04.tar.gz for a while now. Unfortunately 
the connection doesn't live long enough to get the whole file. Data 
transfer rates are frightening... Do you now of any other site I could 
try and download the files? Is there a mirror in europe somewhere?

Thanks for any hints,
Thomas

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From: David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>
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----- "Remi" == Remi  <lafaye@lapp.in2p3.fr> writes:

    Remi> David Thompson wrote:
    >> 
    >> Rick Baartman wrote:
    Rick> > How can I change the way Xemacs recognizes comments?  In
    Rick> > LaTeX-mode % is correctly recognized as a comment, but /%
    Rick> > should be ignored, but is not.
    >> 
    David> You have the slash going the wrong way. XEmacs does ignore
    David> \%, which produces a percent sign in LaTeX. Thank goodness
    David> for search and replace, eh? :-)
    >> 
    >> David

    Remi> No!
    Remi> Rick Baartman was right, it's also true for me.
    Remi> In LaTeX-mode my XEmacs does not correctly
    Remi> recognized a \% (yes it is backslash).

    Remi> Perhaps you have a solution David?

OK, here's a solution that works for me (this is a different David).
I'm assuming that your problem is that font-lock is just highlighting
\% as a comment, not that XEmacs is really commenting out the text --
at least that's the problem that I had.  If this is wrong, well then,
just ignore this.

Following are two elisp files that fixed the \% problem, as well as
making font-lock a little more verstaile in LaTeX-mode.

------ BEGIN FILE 1 ------------------------
;;; tex-font-lock.el --- decorating LaTeX files with fonts/colors based on syntax

;; Author: David S. Guertin, University of Nebraska <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>

;;; Commentary:

;; tex-font-lock is an extension of the standard font-lock minor mode that 
;; causes comments to be displayed in one face, strings in another, etc.
;; I was dissatisfied with the way that font-lock handled some aspects of my LaTeX files;
;; particularly, that it treated \% as a comment-start code, that \section*{}
;; arguments were not highlighted, and that all arguments to commands were in the same 
;; color.  This hack fixes the \% and \section*{} problems and allows command
;; arguments to be any of three faces: 1) function-name face (the usual); 2) tex-emph-face
;; (I use this for \emph{}); and 3) tex-cite-face (for \cite, \nocite, etc.).  These faces
;; are defined in tex-font-lock-colors.el; hence the require statement for that file.
;;
;; To use this, put something like the following in your .emacs file:
;;
;;  (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook
;;	'(lambda () (require 'tex-font-lock)
;;
;; Also, the bold and italics settings in tex-font-lock-colors.el don't work, so you'll
;; need something like:
;;
;;  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-tex-emph-face "firebrick")
;;  (set-face-font 'font-lock-tex-emph-face "-*-Courier-Bold-O-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*")
;;  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-tex-cite-face "MediumOrchid")
;;  (set-face-font 'font-lock-tex-cite-face "-*-Courier-Bold-R-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*")
;;
;; in your .emacs, too.  WARNING: I'm a complete novice at lisp hacking, so don't expect
;; too much from this attempt, and feel free to improve it to suit your needs.

(require 'text-props)
(require 'font-lock)
(require 'tex-font-lock-colors)

(defconst tex-font-lock-keywords (purecopy
  (list
;; Don't comment following \%
   '("\\(\\\\\\)\\(%.+\\)" 2 font-lock-tex-normal-face t) 
;; Highlight \ $ { and }
   '("\\([\\${}]\\)" 1 font-lock-keyword-face t)
;; \commands
   '("\\(\\\\\\w+\\)\\W" 1 font-lock-keyword-face t) 
;; arguments of \commands
   '("\\(\\\\\\w+\\)\\W*{\\([^}\n]+\\)" 2 font-lock-function-name-face t) 
;; arguments of \emph command
   '("\\(\\\\emph\\){\\([^}\n]+\\)" 2 font-lock-tex-emph-face t) 
;; arguments of \cite, \nocite, etc.commands
   '("\\(\\\\\\w*cite\\)\\(\\[.*\\]\\)*{\\([^}\n]+\\)" 3 font-lock-tex-cite-face t)
;; Highlight [] between \cite and its arguments
   '("\\(\\\\\\w*cite\\)\\(\\[.*\\]\\){\\([^}\n]+\\)" 2 font-lock-keyword-face t)

;; Highlight arguments that continue onto a second line.  These are all in
;; keyword-face because we can't tell what command is using them (it's on
;; the previous line).
   '("\\(^[a-zA-Z0-9_:&/]+}\\)\\W" 1 font-lock-keyword-face t) 
;; ??
   '("{\\\\em\\([^}]+\\)}" 1 font-lock-comment-face t)
;; equations
   '("[^\\\\]\\$\\([^$]*\\)\\$" 1 font-lock-string-face t)
   ))
  "Additional expressions to highlight in TeX mode.")

(provide 'tex-font-lock)

;;; tex-font-lock.el ends here
------ END FILE 1 ------------------------
------ BEGIN FILE 2 ------------------------
;;; tex-font-lock-colors.el --- decorating LaTeX files with fonts/colors based on syntax

;; Author: David S. Guertin, University of Nebraska <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>

;;; Commentary:

;; This file is designed to be used by tex-font-lock, which allows more versatile
;; syntax highlighting for LaTeX files.  This file sets the faces used by 
;; tex-font-lock.  It is derived from the file font-lock.el.

(require 'text-props)
(require 'font-lock)

(defun font-lock-use-tex-fonts ()
  (interactive)
  (font-lock-copy-face 'bold-italic 'font-lock-tex-emph-face)
  (font-lock-copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-tex-cite-face)
  ;; is this necessary?
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'font-lock-use-tex-fonts)
  nil)

(defun font-lock-use-tex-colors ()
  (interactive)
  (font-lock-copy-face 'default 'font-lock-tex-emph-face)
  (font-lock-set-foreground "firebrick" 'font-lock-tex-emph-face)
  (font-lock-copy-face 'default 'font-lock-tex-cite-face)
  (font-lock-set-foreground "MediumOrchid" 'font-lock-tex-cite-face)
  ;; is this necessary?
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'font-lock-use-tex-colors)
  nil)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;      initialization       ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

(make-face 'font-lock-tex-emph-face)
(make-face 'font-lock-tex-cite-face)
(make-face 'font-lock-tex-normal-face)

(cond (font-lock-use-colors (font-lock-use-tex-colors))
      (font-lock-use-fonts (font-lock-use-tex-fonts)))

(provide 'tex-font-lock-colors)

;;; tex-font-lock-colors.el ends here
------ END FILE 2 ------------------------

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Dave
-- 
____________________________________________________________________

David S. Guertin			dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu
University of Nebraska			
____________________________________________________________________

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Is the live-icon package in 19.14??

I love this package.  I'm a visual person and seeing my buffers
displayed as an icon is very handy.

Also if live-icon is in 19.14 will it finally support colorized
buffers properly??

Anything with color doesn't get iconified with live-icon currently.

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Hi,
	I'm running XEmacs-19.13 on hpux-9.05, sometimes XEmacs just
hangs when its about to give a beep, a look at top shows that Aserver
is eating up all cpu cycles. After killing the audio server and
restarting another one XEmacs sounds the beep and is okay. I was 
running XEmacs-19.12 before and this problem never occurred. Any
clues? is it the Aserver or XEmacs? Thanks for any help.
regards,
Gurpreet.



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To: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Re: Live-Icon and XEmacs 19.14 
In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Jun 1996 11:55:20 EDT."
             <esqybllnm3b.fsf@nortel.ca> 
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:41:20 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    Mark> Is the live-icon package in 19.14??

Yes.  It's also in 19.13.


    Mark> Also if live-icon is in 19.14 will it finally support
    Mark> colorized buffers properly??

    Mark> Anything with color doesn't get iconified with live-icon
    Mark> currently.

I wasn't aware of any problems in this area.  In any case, this
appears to be working properly in 19.14.



			-Chuck

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From: Glenn Carr <gcarr@lgc.com>
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Subject: Why does C-g beep when region is active?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:06:43 -0500
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I though this used to work, but hasn't in a while, so I thought
I'd ask.  When I cancel a region, I get a beep.
Shouldn't C-g (keyboard-quit) just deactivate the region?

Glenn

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David Guertin wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, here's a solution that works for me (this is a different David)...

Thanks, Dave, it seems to work fine. However, you dropped two ) at the end of the recommended
insertion for .emacs. I.e. should be 

 (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook
      '(lambda () (require 'tex-font-lock)))

not

 (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook
      '(lambda () (require 'tex-font-lock)

Thanks again. Sorry, D.T. for typo in original post. 

--rick

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How do I override the standard application default path
without recompiling XEmacs?
Usage of $XAPPLRESDIR doesn't work...

Rene

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Remi wrote:
> No!
> Rick Baartman was right, it's also true for me.
> In LaTeX-mode my XEmacs does not correctly
> recognized a \% (yes it is backslash).
> 
> Perhaps you have a solution David?

I just checked it out on my XEmacs, and there are no problems 
with \% . I am using AUCTeX 9.2y and XEmacs 19.13. Perhaps
you have a different version? I don't recall changing any
of the font-lock stuff to make it work.

If you don't have AUCTeX installed, I would recommend trying
it out. If you do, I don't know what the problem is.

		Hope this helps,
		David

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From: David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>
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Subject: Re: Live-Icon and XEmacs 19.14
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----- "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

    Mark> Also if live-icon is in 19.14 will it finally support colorized
    Mark> buffers properly??

    Mark> Anything with color doesn't get iconified with live-icon currently.

Here is a fixed version of live-icon.el that displays buffers with
colors perfectly for me under XEmacs 19.13.  I didn't write this -- it
showed up (here?) a while ago, and I'm simply reposting it for people
who missed it the first time.

Cheers,
Dave

------- BEGIN LIVE-ICON.EL -----------------

;; I tried to use  live-icon in XEmacs 19.13,  and it didn't work at  all
;; for me.  The main  problem was that   it didn't figure out  color name
;; correctly.  I also didn't like the size  of the icons it was creating,
;; so I added a way to control the size of the icon generated.  The fixed
;; live-icon is included below  with some comments  about what  I changed
;; and what still needs fixing.

;-------------------------------------------------------------------------
;; live-icon.el --- make frame icons represent the current frame contents

;; Copyright (C) 1995 Rich Williams <rdw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
;; Copyright (C) 1995 Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>

;; Authors: Rich Williams <rdw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
;;          Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>

;; Version 1.2

;; This file is part of XEmacs.

;; XEmacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
;; under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; XEmacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
;; General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with XEmacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free
;; Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; Generates little pixmaps representing the contents of your frames.

;; dje
;; - I removed a lot of stuff that wasn't used,
;; - set a customizable max width and height on the icon.
;; - used a much simpler way of getting the color name from that face
;; that works, the old one gave "(nil . colorname".
;; - added left-side-window-list since the logic only walks thru
;; the window height. This fixes bug when frame split vertically.
;; - some fixs to the modeline/number of line stuff, the formatting was off
;; Note, I think some assumptions are wrong, I see strange numbers:
;; real data lines  frame-height  window-height
;; ===============  ============  =============
;;              13            12             14
;;              15            14            8+8 (split)
;;              39            39             40
;;              41            40             41 (w/ modeline shadow = 0)

;; I now understand that frame-heights can't add up to the window height
;; due to rounding.  This should not use window height, it should add
;; up the frame heights.


;; To load:
;; (require 'live-icon)
;; After loading, to customize:
;;
;;  (setq live-icon-max-height 60)
;;  (setq live-icon-max-width 48)

(defconst live-icon-max-width 200
  "Maximum live icon width in pixels.
Default value chosen is 200 which is  about the maximum that you would
expect.   Each horizontal character is   1 pixel, so the screen  would
have to be 200 characters wide to use this maximum.  You might want to
set this to  a smaller  value  if you like   your icons to be all  one
size. See also live-icon-max-height.")

(defconst live-icon-max-height 100
  "Maximum icon height in pixels.
Default value chosen is 100 which is about the  maximum that you would
expect.  Each line in the frame is represented with 2 pixel lines, one
representing  the characters on  the line, and  the other representing
the inter-line spacing.  You might want to set this to a smaller value
if  you   like  your   icons  to   be    all  one  size.    See   also
live-icon-max-width.")

(defun live-icon-left-side-window-list (&optional predicate)
  "Return a list of all windows in frame along the left edge"
  (let ((windows (window-list));;create some lists
	good-windows)
    (while (consp windows);;check each window
      (if (eq 0 (nth 0 (window-pixel-edges (car windows)))) ;if on left edge
	  (setq good-windows (cons (car windows) good-windows)));;use it
      (setq windows (cdr windows)))	;next window
    good-windows))			;return good windows


(defun live-icon-colour-name-from-face (face)
 "figure foreground color of face,"
 (color-instance-name (face-foreground-instance face)))

(defun live-icon-alloc-colour (cmv colour)
  "Allocate a colour and a char from the magic vector"
  (let ((bob (assoc colour (aref cmv 0)))
	(jim (aref cmv 2)))
    (if bob
	(cdr bob)
      (aset cmv 0 (cons (cons colour jim) (aref cmv 0)))
      (aset cmv 1 (1+ (aref cmv 1)))
      (aset cmv 2 (1+ jim))
      jim)))

(defun live-icon-from-frame (&optional frame)
  "Calculates the live-icon XPM of FRAME."
  (if (not frame)
      (setq frame (selected-frame)))
  (save-excursion
    (select-frame frame)
    (let* ((w (min live-icon-max-width (frame-width)));;w=width of icon
	   ;; frame height ends up being doubled, because each line is a
	   ;; pixel, and blank lines are left between...
	   ;; It may include modelines if the frame is split horizontally
	   ;;adjust h, for window-heights, mini-buff, diff
	   (h (+ (frame-height) 4))
	   (pix (make-vector h nil))
	   (next_y 0)
	   (cmv (vector nil 0 ?A))
	   (d (live-icon-alloc-colour
	       cmv (color-name (face-background 'default))))
	   (m (live-icon-alloc-colour
	       cmv (color-name (face-background 'modeline))))
	   (x (live-icon-alloc-colour
	       cmv (color-name (face-foreground 'default))))
	   y)
      (setq y 0)
      (let ((loop 0))
	(while (< loop h)		;loop thru frame-height
	  (aset pix loop (make-string w d)) ;init array pix to default
	  (setq loop (1+ loop))))	;next entry
      (mapcar		;apply lamda to sort sequence
       #'(lambda (win)
	   (save-excursion
	     (save-window-excursion
	       (select-window win)
	       (save-restriction
		 (setq
		  y next_y
		  next_y (+ next_y (window-height)))
		 (aset pix (- next_y 1) (make-string w m)) ;modeline
		 (widen)
		 (if (> (window-end) (window-start))
		     (narrow-to-region (window-start)
				       (1- (window-end))))
		 (goto-char (point-min))
		 (while (and (not (eobp)) ;while not end of buffer
			     (< y next_y))     ;;and used up window height
		   (while (and (not (eolp)) ;while not end of line
			       (< (current-column) w)) ;and within width wanted
		     (if (> (char-after (point)) 32); > 32 is printable
			 (let*
			     ((ex (extent-at (point) (current-buffer) 'face))
			      (f (if ex (extent-face ex))) ;if extent has face
			      (z (if f (color-instance-name
					(face-foreground-instance f))))
			      (c (if z (live-icon-alloc-colour cmv z) x)))
			   (aset (aref pix y) (current-column) c)))
		     (forward-char 1)) ;next char
		   (setq y (1+ y)) ;next line
		   (forward-line 1)
		   ))))
	   )		;skip modeline, end window
       (sort (if (fboundp 'window-list) ;if we have newer func
		 ;; Only want windows where window-pixel-edges
		 ;; is zero...dje
		 (live-icon-left-side-window-list);;windows on left side
	       (let* ((w (frame-root-window)) ;else old way
		      (ws nil))
		 (while (not (memq (setq w (next-window w)) ws))
		   (setq ws (cons w ws)))
		 ws)		;end old way
	       )			;end making window list
	     ;; This is the predicate function to sort
	     ;; Used to set the sort sequence...
	     #'(lambda (won woo)
		 (< (nth 1 (window-pixel-edges won))
		    (nth 1 (window-pixel-edges woo))))
	     ))
      (let* ((inter-lines-skip 0)	;init one kind of line to skip
	    (height (* 2 h))		;save total height
	    (real-lines-skip 0))		;init real lines to skip
	(if (> height live-icon-max-height) ;if size must be adjusted
	    (progn
	      (setq inter-lines-skip (- height live-icon-max-height))
	      (if (> inter-lines-skip h)	;if skipping more than there is
		  (setq
		   real-lines-skip (- inter-lines-skip h)
		   inter-lines-skip h))))
	(concat "/* XPM */\nstatic char icon[] = {\n" 
		(format "\"%d %d %d 1\",\n"
			w 
			(- height (+ inter-lines-skip real-lines-skip))
			(aref cmv 1)
			)
		;; First make the color table
		(mapconcat #'(lambda (colour-entry) ;apply this function
			       (format "\"%c c %s\""
				       (cdr colour-entry) 
				       (car colour-entry)))
			   (aref cmv 0)	;to each element of this
			   ",\n")		;with this separator
		",\n"
		;; Then make the lines of color, apply func lambda,
		;; to seq pix, sep ,\n
		;; alternate with lines of the default color
		(mapconcat #'(lambda (scan-line)
			       (concat (format "\"%s\",\n" scan-line)
				       (if (> inter-lines-skip 0)
					   (progn
					     (setq inter-lines-skip
						   (1- inter-lines-skip))
					     (format ""))
					 (format "\"%s\",\n"
						 (make-string w d))
					 )))
			   pix
			   "")
		"};\n")))));;end live icon from frame


(defun live-icon-one-frame (&optional not-used)
  "Gives FRAME (defaulting to (selected-frame)) a live icon."
  (interactive)
  (x-set-frame-icon-pixmap (selected-frame)
			   (make-glyph
			    (live-icon-from-frame (selected-frame))
			    );;end make pixmap
			   );;end x-set-frame
;  (message "live-icon-on-frame...done")
  )					;end hook function

(add-hook 'unmap-frame-hook 'live-icon-one-frame t)

(provide 'live-icon)
;;; live-icon.el ends here

-- 
____________________________________________________________________

David S. Guertin			dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu
University of Nebraska			
____________________________________________________________________

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From: weber@albirio.crd.ge.com (Markus Weber)
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** Martin Boyer  <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> wrote:
>>Using Xemacs 19.13, and FreeBSD-2.1.0, and trying to use ispell 3.1.18
>>I get an error saying:
>>ispell did not output version line

Hint, which works for me: load in your ~/.emacs file the ispell lisp code
provided with ispell, e.g.:

	(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~weber/gnu/lib/ispell")
                        load-path))
	(load "ispell")

All my problems went away.

FvD.
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>>>>> "vk" == vinayk  <vinayk@faslab.com> writes:

    vk> I am trying to use the function 'ediff-directories'. After I enter the two directory
    vk> names, it prompts for a regular expresssion to filter the file names. I tried
    vk> all sorts of regular exp. like f*, 'f*' and nil(enter nothing). I get an error
    vk> saying "Wrong number of arguments...byte code ...(list1 list2)......etc". 



Make sure cl-seq is loaded before you do this. 



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From: Tom Parks <parks@LL.MIT.EDU>
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I'm having problems using gdb (debugger) and cvs (version control) with
xemacs-19.13.  I do not have these problems with FSF emacs-19.30.

gdb:
When using gdb mode, completion using TAB does not work -- I'm told that
there are no completions.  Stopping a running program with C-c C-c does
not work -- nothing happens.  Note that both of these features work
properly when I use emacs-19.30 instead.

cvs:
When I try to check in a change, and I type C-c C-c to finish my comment
for the log file, I get the error message:

> Wrong type argument: stringp, ("-m" "This is a test to see if CVS works with xemacs.")

Again, I have no such problem when I use emacs-19.30 instead.

Are these known problems?  Will they be fixed in version 19.14 which
will be released in a few days?

Thanks,
Tom
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GVR> Andrew Innes and Geoff Voelker had to do a _lot_ of work to get
GVR> NTEmacs working more or less properly on Win95.  [...]

Oh, I full-well know that.  I am simply saying that developing for NT
and then making it work on 95 is generally an easier task than
developing for 95, especially if you expect to have an app that will
work on NT, once you know the differences, anyway.  Had Andrew and Goeff
tried to make "95emacs" instead of ntemacs, I expect they would still be
at it and whatever they eventually would have come up with would not run
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> 
>  >  And to clarify, my group will not switch from another editor
>  >  (EXCO) to XEmacs because XEmacs does not support the
>  >  compression/expansion of subroutines.  Personally, I do not
>  >  need this "feature" but the powers that be must have it.
> 
> What in the world is the compression/expansion of subroutines?
> 

I suspect he refered to something that XEmacs calls outline-mode and
outline-minor-mode. :)

	Miro

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I have a friend who asked:

I'm trying to buy (again) a discontinued product from
Farallon, the MacRecorder (a sound digitizer). I don't want what the
company presently sells which might include the MacRecorder and which
cost several hundreds. I want just the MacRecorder (and the HyperSound
software to run it, of course) which came out around 1989. 


Thanks for the help. I'm unfamiliar with the whole setup as
far as posting is concerned. Something relating to Macs (older,non-power
mac, SE/30) and computing. Sure, you can give out my email address.
         
RobertU@cyber-quest.com

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From: Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu>
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Hi,

I hope this is not a FAQ...

How can i choose to display only certains buffer names in the buffer
menu? I would like to get rid of (i.e. not display) all the *name*
buffers... I only found the buffers-menu-max-size to customize this
menu...

Thank you!

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From: milesd@atl.mindspring.com (Miles Daly Duke)
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werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim werner) wrote:

>The reason I am
>trying an alternative to shell.el is that I have grown weary of it's
>inability to keep track of the current directory, and the way that
>completely messes up filename-completion.

I used to have a problem with that, but there's a variable or command
controlling whether shell.el should try to follow cd, pushd, popd
commands, etc.  Something like "shell-dirtrack-toggle".  The things
that cause problems are:

- aliases that change the directory to something not deducible from
the command line.  A simple alias for cd/pushd/popd would not be a
problem, because you can specify a regexp that tells shell.el which of
those commands to look out for.  A "supercd" alias that lets you enter
part of the path and figures out the rest is a problem, because
shell.el doesn't see the path you are cd'ing to.

- when you repeat a cd/pushd/popd using the ! command instead of using
Meta-n or Meta-p to suck the retrieve the command from shell.el's
history.  [ This seems odd, because csh echos the substituted command,
but perhaps shell.el doesn't know to look at it ]

In any case, if you get off track, you can always run M-x
shell-resync-dirs and shell.el should resynchronize with your current
directory stack.

Mind you, I am using XEmacs 19.13, so perhaps it was bundled with a
different version of shell.el.



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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: [Q] hm--html question ???
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>>>>> "Sergei" == Sergei Naumov <serge@envy.astro.unc.edu> writes:

Sergei> Hi!
Sergei> I noticed that hm--html types &something when I type in an 8bit
Sergei> character. I want to turn this off and print the character
Sergei> "as is". How do I do it?

That's a feature, that's how they're supposed to be encoded in html.

Typing C-q beforehand should turn it off though.
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

Mark> Is the live-icon package in 19.14??

Yes.

Mark> Also if live-icon is in 19.14 will it finally support colorized
Mark> buffers properly??

Mark> Anything with color doesn't get iconified with live-icon currently.

live-icon.el in the 19.14 distribution contains a copyright 1996
jwz@netscape.com at the top, so there must have been some recent work
done on it.

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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Subject: Re: problems with gdb, cvs
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Tom Parks <parks@LL.MIT.EDU> writes:

> cvs:
> When I try to check in a change, and I type C-c C-c to finish my comment
> for the log file, I get the error message:
> 
> > Wrong type argument: stringp, ("-m" "This is a test to see if CVS works with xemacs.")

I know this doesn't help much, but I've never seen this with pcl-cvs and
either 19.13 or any of the 19.14 betas (and I use pcl-cvs a *lot*).

(I'm assuming that by cvs you mean the pcl-cvs [X]Emacs interface to CVS,
 i.e. M-x cvs-update or the Tools -> VC -> CVS Update Directory menu
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From: gfoster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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In article <31C60495.1BCAC039@medet.unm.edu> David Thompson <dcthomp@medet.unm.edu> writes:

> From: David Thompson <dcthomp@medet.unm.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:21:25 -0600
> Organization: Foobar
> 
> Rick Baartman wrote:
> > How can I change the way Xemacs recognizes comments?
> > In LaTeX-mode % is correctly recognized as a comment, but /% should be
> > ignored, but is not.
> 
> You have the slash going the wrong way. XEmacs does ignore \%, which
> produces a percent sign in LaTeX. Thank goodness for search and
> replace, eh? :-)
> 
> 		David

Sorry, David, but you're mistaken.  LaTeX mode DOES place everything
after \% in comment-face.  It does *not* ignore it... at least, not in
XEmacs 19.13 under both Solaris and Linux with the default TeX elisp
package.

-- Gary F.

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David Thompson wrote:
>  
> If you don't have AUCTeX installed, I would recommend trying
> it out. If you do, I don't know what the problem is.

Sorry for being such a newbie, but I don't know what AUCTeX is. I will 
look into it when I have time, but could you tell me if it will be 
included in 19.14? If so, I needn't worry. We'll install 19.14 when it is 
ready.

--rick

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    David> Sorry for being such a newbie, but I don't know what AUCTeX
    David> is. I will look into it when I have time, but could you
    David> tell me if it will be included in 19.14? If so, I needn't
    David> worry. We'll install 19.14 when it is ready.

AUCTex is not included in 19.14.


			-Chuck

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In article <m2vigo1qz3.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Sergei> I noticed that hm--html types &something when I type in an 8bit
> That's a feature, that's how they're supposed to be encoded in html.

Not true. HTML *is* 8-bit and if content-encoding is not specified, it
defaults to latin1. Sergei, I don't use hm-html, so I'm not sure how to
turn it off (have you read the comments of the user-settable vars in the
source?) I presume you can enter 8-bit chars in text-mode? If not, see
(set-input-mode).


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In article <VANT.96Jun17073939@garfield.minerva.robadome.com> vant@minerva.robadome.com (Van P. Trinh) writes:

> "Can't run gnuserv because server.el appears to be loaded already"

gnuserv is the newer incarnation of server.el and it's incompatible with
it. You need to prevent server.el from loading. Check your site-init.el or
ask shoever installed xemacs to do it.

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Use C-. to deactivate without a beep.

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M-x archie dismal RET.

Let me know if the Dali pics have anything to do with the spreadsheet. Just
curious. 

19950504000000Z 1053981 ftp.rpi.edu /home/89/sofkam/emacs/dismal-1.00.tar.gz
19950504000000Z 1053981 ftp.rpi.edu /home/89/sofkam/yesterday/emacs/dismal-1.00.tar.gz
19950504000000Z 1053981 ftp.rpi.edu /yesterday/home/89/sofkam/emacs/dismal-1.00.tar.gz
19950504000000Z 1053981 ftp.rpi.edu /yesterday/home/89/sofkam/yesterday/emacs/dismal-1.00.tar.gz
19950427202500Z   1105 ftp.icm.edu.pl /www/wm/paint/auth/dali/dated/dali.dismal-sport.small.jpg
19950104042000Z  46524 ftp.icm.edu.pl /www/wm/paint/auth/dali/dated/dali.dismal-sport.jpg
19940825200000Z  87657 ftp.sunet.se /pub/pictures/art/Salvador.Dali/dismalsp.jpg
19940825200000Z     49 ftp.sunet.se /pub/pictures/art/Salvador.Dali/dismalsp.txt
19940629220000Z   2454 tatry.mimuw.edu.pl /pub/pictures/Dali/.xvpics/dismalsp.jpg
19940629220000Z  87657 tatry.mimuw.edu.pl /pub/pictures/Dali/dismalsp.jpg
19940513220000Z   6208 ftp.uni-passau.de /mount/archive.theory/answers/comp.archives/auto/comp.lang.misc/dismal-spreadsheet-was-Re-Implementation-vs-Extension-Language

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Karl Storck (karst@ikp.liu.se) wrote:
>Jean-Luc Dubocq wrote:
>> >>>>> "KS" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:
>>     KS> Can someone tell me how I end an ange-ftp-session in a simple way. I
>>     KS> want to close all buffers associated with a certain ftp-process, end
>>     KS> that process and close that buffer as well.
>> 
>> you can go in the buffer : *ftp anonymous@ftp.xxx.xx* and type bye.
>> 
>> but I don't know how to close all buffers. When necessary, I take it
>> and kill everyone manually.
>
>It is this I want to avoid. I want to type a command like 
>'M-x ange-ftp-end-session' and have all that made automatically.

Here's a command `ange-ftp-kill-some-buffers' that kills all the buffers
associated with a certain ftp process buffer that are visiting files or
directories:

(defun ange-ftp-kill-some-buffers (&optional process-buffer)
  "Kill all buffers that are visiting files or directories via ange-ftp.
If PROCESS-BUFFER is non-nil, kill only buffers that are associated with it."
  (interactive "bFTP buffer: ")
  (let ((buffer-list (buffer-list))
	file-name
	ange-ftp-ftp-name)
    (while buffer-list
      (if (and (setq file-name (or (buffer-file-name (car buffer-list))
				   (save-excursion
				     (set-buffer (car buffer-list))
				     default-directory)))
	       (setq ange-ftp-ftp-name (ange-ftp-ftp-name file-name))
	       (or (null process-buffer)
		   (eq (get-buffer
			(ange-ftp-ftp-process-buffer (nth 0 ange-ftp-ftp-name)
						     (nth 1 ange-ftp-ftp-name)))
		       process-buffer)))
	  (kill-buffer (car buffer-list)))
      (setq buffer-list (cdr buffer-list)))))

I'm not sure whether it would be better to advise `ange-ftp-kill-ftp-
process' to call it (and `kill-buffer'):

(defadvice ange-ftp-kill-ftp-process (after kill-buffers activate)
  "Kill all buffers associated with BUFFER that are visiting files, then
kill BUFFER."
  (let ((process-buffer (ad-get-arg 0)))
    (ange-ftp-kill-some-buffers process-buffer)
    (kill-buffer process-buffer)))

or to set up a buffer-local kill-buffer-hook for the ftp process buffer
to call it:

(defadvice ange-ftp-start-process (after kill-buffer-hook activate)
  "When the process buffer is killed, kill all buffers associated with it
that are visiting files."
  (let ((ftp-process ad-return-value))
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer (process-buffer ftp-process))
      (if (fboundp 'make-local-hook)
	  (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
	(make-local-variable 'kill-buffer-hook))
      (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'ange-ftp-kill-some-buffers))))
-- 
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>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

[...]

    Chuck> AUCTex is not included in 19.14.

Why? In general, how does a package make it into an XEmacs
distribution. What about BBDB, calc, ...?

-Oliver

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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
> 
> M-x archie dismal RET.
> Thanks a lot and sorry!
Should have been able to come up with this for myself...
But now I've learned that there is something like 'archie' for XEmacs.

Cheers,
Thomas

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To: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:27:33 +0200."
             <199606190927.LAA05590@cabbage.inform-ac.com> 
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:52:38 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    Chuck> AUCTex is not included in 19.14.

    Oliver> Why? In general, how does a package make it into an XEmacs
    Oliver> distribution. What about BBDB, calc, ...?

For the cases you list it is easier to say 'why not'.  With AUCTex and
calc it is a matter of size and integration.  With every release, as
our distribution has continued to grow in size, we've become less and
less inclined to integrate additional big packages.  With those same
two packages it is also the case that they are not as straightforward
to integrate as most other packages (relatively speaking).  BBDB is
not included at the author's request.

That said, 19.15 will have a new packaging system.  We will still have
the full kitchen sink distribution everyone is used to.  But, we will
also have a new "lite" distribution with a large percentage of the
integrated elisp packages removed.  These packages will then be
available as a kind of add-on module which will fully integrate itself
into a base installation.

The three packages you mention plus a number of others will probably
still not end up in the full distribution.  However, we do plan to
make them available in the new add-on module format.



			-Chuck

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From: David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>
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Subject: Dired: setting highlight bar to follow cursor instead of mouse
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Hi folks,

In dired, the green highlight bar follows the mouse pointer around by
default.  I would rather have it follow the cursor, because as it is
it's hard to line up the cursor, which is usually way over on the left
margin, with the file name on the opposite end of the line.

Can someone suggest a command to do this?

Cheers,
Dave
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Subject: Re: Q: ending ange-ftp
Date: 18 Jun 1996 23:49:52 GMT
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I wrote:
>or to set up a buffer-local kill-buffer-hook for the ftp process buffer
>to call it:

Oops, that should be:

(defadvice ange-ftp-start-process (after kill-buffer-hook activate)
  "When the process buffer is killed, kill all buffers associated with it
that are visiting files."
  (let ((ftp-process ad-return-value))
    (save-excursion
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      (if (fboundp 'make-local-hook)
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Richard Pieri  <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
) >>>>> "GVR" == George V Reilly <gvr@chinook.halcyon.com> writes:
) 
) GVR> Andrew Innes and Geoff Voelker had to do a _lot_ of work to get
) GVR> NTEmacs working more or less properly on Win95.  [...]
) 
) Oh, I full-well know that.  I am simply saying that developing for NT
) and then making it work on 95 is generally an easier task than
) developing for 95, especially if you expect to have an app that will
) work on NT, once you know the differences, anyway.  Had Andrew and Goeff
) tried to make "95emacs" instead of ntemacs, I expect they would still be
) at it and whatever they eventually would have come up with would not run
) on NT.

I'm inclined to argue the other way.  If you've developed an
application on Windows 95 and haven't gone bug-fuck crazy from
the sheer frustratation of dealing with its flakiness and
bugginess, you'll probably find it relatively straightforward to
get it working on NT too.  I admit that I have been neither
foolish nor masochistic enough to actually try it this way, so
that's purely conjecture on my part.  I think the only sane way
to do it is to develop on NT and periodically get it working on
Windows 95.

In the particular case of NTemacs, it was around long before
Windows 95.  I was using it four years ago, when I worked at
Microsoft, a year before I first saw an early beta of Windows 95
there.
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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> writes:

Erik> Great idea! A movie about XEmacs! 
Erik> I wonder who will be the bad guy(s)?  ;-)

Microsoft Word lusers?

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>>>>> "Kent" == Kent A Vander Velden <graphix@iastate.edu> writes:

Kent>   Is there a mailing list that I could subscribe to and only receive
Kent> announcements of changes to xemacs?

Not that I'm aware of.  The closest thing right now is part 6 of the
XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html

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>>>>> "Janet" == Janet Bell <jbell@capecod.net> writes:

Janet> This is not strictly an Xemacs question, but I hope that
Janet> you will indulge me.

Janet> I used to run Xemacs by telnetting into my server and
Janet> typing xemacs &.  I tried to hack my X server such that
Janet> it would RSH onto the server and run xemacs.  This works,
Janet> except for one truly annoying difference.  When I run
Janet> a subprocess, like a bash shell or ange-ftp, the subprocess
Janet> sends lots of NUL characters to xemacs.  This is annoying in
Janet> bash, and fatal for ange-ftp as it no longer recognizes the
Janet> FTP response codes.

Janet> I imagine that this is some sort of weird tty problem, but
Janet> I tried examining the tty settings under the bash under emacs
Janet> and it looked ok.  Anyway, how would the subprocess find out
Janet> that the emacs process wasn't started from an rsh rather than
Janet> by a telnet?  Why would it care?

Janet> Has anyone encountered this?  Does anyone have a suggestion?
Janet> Thanks.

If you are running under Linux, this problem was just fixed by Darrell
Kindred <dkindred+@cmu.edu>, and the fix will appear in 19.14 (due out
this weekend).

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Subject: Re: filtering the buffers-menu list
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Julien Maillard wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I hope this is not a FAQ...
> 
> How can i choose to display only certains buffer names in the buffer
> menu? I would like to get rid of (i.e. not display) all the *name*
> buffers... I only found the buffers-menu-max-size to customize this
> menu...

The following is what I use.  It doesn't display any '*<buffer-name>'
or some other buffers I don't want to include.  Tweak the first regexp
to hide buffers matching it, the second to override the first...
I also add a '*' if the buffer has been modified, and a '%' if it is readonly.


;; Filter buffer menu
(defun format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
  (if (and
       ;; Buffers to exclude
       (string-match "\\`[ *]\\|pcl-cvs.*\\|.*-update\\|TAGS"
			 (buffer-name buffer))
       ;; Buffers to include (that match buffers to exclude)
       (not (string-match
	     "*shell\\|*scratch*\\|*compilation*"
			  (buffer-name buffer))))
      nil
    (save-excursion
     (set-buffer buffer)
       (format "%s%s %s"
	       (if (buffer-modified-p) "*" " ")
	       (if buffer-read-only "%" " ")
	       (buffer-name)
	       ))))

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Hi,

I'm using VM in Xemacs 19.13 under Solaris 2.5.  

I have a group of friends to which I often send mass emails.

Is there any way in VM to save the list of their email 
addresses so that I can just say "mail to the guys" and it'll
start up an editor with their addresses already inserted?
I can't find anything about this in the Info nodes.

Thanks for any advice!
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Subject: Re: mailing lists in VM?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:54:36 -0500
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John Kuszewski wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using VM in Xemacs 19.13 under Solaris 2.5.
> 
> I have a group of friends to which I often send mass emails.
> 
> Is there any way in VM to save the list of their email
> addresses so that I can just say "mail to the guys" and it'll
> start up an editor with their addresses already inserted?
> I can't find anything about this in the Info nodes.

Create a ~/.mailrc file with alias entries in this form:

  alias friends "email_addr_1 (name of friend1), \
                 email_addr_2 (name of friend2)"
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
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Sure, just use the .mailrc file (or create one in your home directory)
with the following format

alias groupname address@one, address@two, address@three

VM should automatically expand the alias to the full addresses in the
to: line of your message. I use it all of the time!

Chris


>>> "JK" == John Kuszewski <johnk@spork.niddk.nih.gov> writes:
JK> Hi,
JK> I'm using VM in Xemacs 19.13 under Solaris 2.5.  

JK> I have a group of friends to which I often send mass emails.

JK> Is there any way in VM to save the list of their email 
JK> addresses so that I can just say "mail to the guys" and it'll
JK> start up an editor with their addresses already inserted?
JK> I can't find anything about this in the Info nodes.

JK> Thanks for any advice!

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From: serge@envy.astro.unc.edu (Sergei Naumov)
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Once at a time Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:

> > Sergei> I noticed that hm--html types &something when I type in an 8bit
> > That's a feature, that's how they're supposed to be encoded in html.
> Not true. HTML *is* 8-bit and if content-encoding is not specified, it
> defaults to latin1. Sergei, I don't use hm-html, so I'm not sure how to
> turn it off (have you read the comments of the user-settable vars in the
> source?) I presume you can enter 8-bit chars in text-mode? If not, see
> (set-input-mode).

Ok. Here is the solution I was told of. Of course, typing C-u (or
whatever) is not the good one if you need to type the whole text
with 8bit characters. So, the solution is just hardly reassign the
keys.

(add-hook 'html-mode-hook '(lambda ()
      (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(adiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(odiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(udiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Adiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Odiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Udiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ediaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ediaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(idiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Idiaeresis) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ssharp) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(aacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(eacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(iacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(oacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(uacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Aacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Eacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Iacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Oacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Uacute) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(agrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(egrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(igrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ograve) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ugrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Agrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Egrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Igrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ograve) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ugrave) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ccedilla) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ccedilla) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(acircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ecircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(icircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ocircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ucircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Acircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ecircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Icircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ocircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ucircumflex) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(atilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(otilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ntilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Atilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Otilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(Ntilde) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(eth) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(ETH) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(thorn) 'self-insert-command)
  (define-key hm--html-mode-map '(THORN) 'self-insert-command)
))



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Subject: Why C-g beeps when region is active when M-x keyboard-quit doesn't?
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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
> 
> > C-. is not defined by default for me.  What function does it invoke
> > for you?
> 
> toggle-region. Also see C-< mark-beginning-of-buffer and
> C-> mark-end-of-buffer. All this is in xemacs.

I couldn't find 'toggle-region', so I just wrote my own...

  (defun gnc-zmacs-toggle-regions ()
    (interactive)
    (if (and zmacs-regions primary-selection-extent)
	(zmacs-deactivate-region)
      (zmacs-activate-region)))

  (global-set-key '(control \.) 'gnc-zmacs-toggle-regions)

I'm still confused why C-g beeps when the region is active.
If a I do a C-h k C-g it shows 'keyboard-quit' as the as the 
function bound to it, and when I invoke M-x keyboard-quit with
the region active it doesn't beep, only deactivates the region.

What's going on?

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Hi,
  I use emacs and hilit19 to highlight C language keywords.
Unfortunately when I try and use xemacs, xemacs complains
"can not open hilit19". It does not highlight my C language
programs! How can I overcome this problem. Thx,
-Ranjit

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I'm looking for a capability to fill paragraphs *excluding* the first line.  A
good example of this is filling an Emacs outline like the following:

================
* Title1
A paragraph describing this title
in more detail.

** Subtitle1
A paragraph describing this title
in more detail as well.

================

Could filladapt handle this with the proper fill-prefix?  A further adaption
that would be nice would be if it could do the right thing when the blank
lines are removed in the above.

The reasons I'm looking for this are:

1. Outline modes are a good way of developing ideas into topic papers and I
   often use KOutlines (from Hyperbole) for this purpose.
2. Items in an outline that I write are (almost) always divided into a topic
   title and a topic description (as above).
3. Without filladapt, the standard for writing Emacs outlines seems to be to
   put a blank line between title and description so that the fill routines
   will work right.
4. These extra blank lines can be annoying and chew up screen real estate
   rather quickly when you want to view the whole outline, but this can be
   mitigated some by collapsing and expanding the outline.
5. Filladapt adds handling of hanging paragraphs (like this numbered list)
   which allows removal of the blank lines in those circumstances, but I can't
   see how to adapt it to the above style.

Anyone have a (minor-)mode for this?
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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk> writes:

Stephen> Does anyone have any small self contained code to load in an
Stephen> image into a buffer at a given point?  I have just had a
Stephen> quick look at the w3 source, but couldnt see very easily how
Stephen> I could load in a file (GIF/PNM/XPM) into a buffer. All I
Stephen> could find was the glph info from the lispref.info files, but
Stephen> no self contained code (and I couldnt see anything on the
Stephen> FAQ).  Does this mean that it is a fairly involved task?

No, what it means right now is that the interface is changing.  I plan
on putting information in to deal with getting images into 19.14
buffers, but it won't do anyone much good until this weekend.

For pointers on code which does this, I'd recommend also looking at
Gnus 5.2 or tm7.68 both of which make use of XEmacs' graphics
capability.  Gnus 5.2 is probably not a useful example for 19.12
though.

Stephen> I am using xemacs 19.12.  Thanks in advance for any pointers.  

You should consider upgrading to 19.14.

The current XEmacs FAQ is at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
and at:
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

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>>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Carr <gcarr@lgc.com> writes:

Glenn> I though this used to work, but hasn't in a while, so I thought
Glenn> I'd ask.  When I cancel a region, I get a beep.
Glenn> Shouldn't C-g (keyboard-quit) just deactivate the region?

It works that way in 19.14.
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[There's lots of good new stuff in Gnus 5.2+XEmacs scheduled to be
released on the 23rd.  Expect a new look to this FAQ next month. -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 5 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

   Added questions about News and Mail directories, and color and
   backgrounds. Added a question about organization of mail directories.
   
   This file was last modified on June 19, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version?
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?
          + Q1.5 I get weird messages when running under XEmacs 19.13.
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work [New!]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.1 Custom doesn't work under XEmacs
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories. [New!]
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
            [New!]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible?
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering [New!]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus?

   There are two different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.22. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it.
   
   Gnus 5 will be included standard with XEmacs 19.14 (scheduled to be
   released on June 23). It appears that Gnus 5.2 will be the Gnus
   bundled with it.
   
   Plans for the next version are already underway. It has been codenamed
   Red Gnus, and will (probably) have a version number of 5.4 & 5.5 when
   released.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or <URL:
   ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also fetch
   it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:gopher://gopher.pilgrim.umass.edu/11/pub/misc/ding/>, or
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need?

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.13 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file. Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?

   Upgrade to XEmacs 19.13. In earlier versions of XEmacs this file was
   placed with Gnus 4.1.3, but that has been corrected.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.5 When I run Gnus on XEmacs 19.13 I get weird error messages.

   You're running an old version of Gnus. Upgrade to at least version
   5.0.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL: mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?

   The basic answer is to byte-compile under XEmacs, and then you can run
   under either Emacsen. There is, however, a potential version problem
   with easymenu.el with Gnu Emacs prior to 19.29.
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes :
   The internal easymenu.el interface changed between 19.28 and 19.29 in
   order to make it possible to create byte compiled files that can be
   shared between Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. The change is upward compatible,
   but not downward compatible. This gives the following compatibility
   table:

Compiled with:  | Can be used with:
----------------+--------------------------------------
19.28           | 19.28         19.29
19.29           |               19.29           XEmacs
XEmacs          |               19.29           XEmacs

   If you have Gnu Emacs 19.28 or earlier, or XEmacs 19.12 or earlier,
   get a recent version of auc-menu.el from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/pub/emacs-lisp/auc-menu.el> and install it
   under the name easymenu.el somewhere early in your load path.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is now mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL: http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the X Windows Applications FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are four mirrors in the United States:
   <URL: http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL: http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/manual/gnus_toc.html>
   <URL: http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL: ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/refcard/>. In the
   United States. And
   <URL: http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL: ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL: ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@netcom.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work

   Is Gnus in your load-path?
   
   Patrick LoPresti <patl@lcs.mit.edu > writes :
   Note that this is not a bug in either Gnus or Mailcrypt; you cannot
   expect any file to byte-compile correctly if required packages are not
   in your load path. (Or, worse, if a completely different version of
   the package is in the load path at compile-time than at run-time.)
   
   Moreover, this need is documented in the Mailcrypt INSTALL file, so
   the problem is really just a failure to follow directions...
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL: http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan), and
   <URL: ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA).
   
   Be sure to apply the supplied patch. It works with Gnus through
   version 5.0.15 and September Gnus. In order for all dependencies to
   work correctly the load sequence is as follows:

  (load "tm-setup")
  (load "gnus")
  (load "mime-compose")

   In September Gnus, gnus-setup.el automates this task, and there is no
   special patch to apply.
   
   Caveat Emptor: Loading the package disables citation highlighting by
   default. To get the old behavior back, use the M-t command.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL: http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its
   own FAQ at <URL: http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:
   ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /bbdb-1.50.tar.Z>. You should also pick up gnus-bbdb from Brian
   Edmonds:
   <URL: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?

   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1 Custom Edit does not work under XEmacs

   The custom package has not been ported to XEmacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Do you call define-key or something like that in one of the summary
   mode hooks? This would force Emacs to recalculate the keyboard
   shortcuts.
   
   Removing the call should speed up M-x gnus-summary-mode RET by a
   couple of orders of magnitude. You can use

        (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map KEY COMMAND)

   in your .gnus instead.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:
   http://baugi.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL: mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web: <URL:
       http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus-bbdb.el>.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potorti` <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes: Just use C-u SPC or C-u
   RET for entering the group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Ok. I'll be adding a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable
   to match groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there
   are unread articles in the groups or not. I'll also be adding a
   visible group parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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From: lia@parc.xerox.com (Lia Adams)
Subject: how to set time zone in Xemacs 19.13?
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I am running xemacs 19.13 on SunOS 4.1.4, under OpenWindows.
For some reason, the status line always shows me the
current time and date in GMT.  No amount of digging in
the elisp libs or in editfns.c has shown me how to
tailor this to my own time-zone (currently PDT).

So, can anyone tell me how to fix this?  Do I need to
set an environment variable, or add a definition to my
.emacs file?  

(I am using the same .emacs files I was using
successfully on xemacs 19.13 on Irix, where I never had
to set the timezone explicitly.)

Thanks in advance for any pointers!

       Lia Adams

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>>>>> "Natalie" == Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:

> Hi Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and load the
> file they are in? For example, if I am in a buffer, and I have the cursor
> on a call to functionA(), I want to enter some key sequence, or mouse
> click, and ctags or something, is used to locate the function, and the
> file that defines functionA() is loaded, with the cursor on the
> definition of functionA()...

> I have looked through the FAQ, and can't see anything there.

I'm using emacs 19.30 at work and find-tag is bound to M-.

So, I just have to move the cursor to the function name I want to look for,
hit M-., emacs prompts me for the function I'm looking for (with the
function the cursor is on as the default), I hit return and it looks
the function up using the TAGS table.

> Thanks,

> Natalie Kershaw (R&D Software) | nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au SCITEC LIMITED
> | Phone +61 2 428 9555 2 Apollo Place, Lane Cove, NSW 2066 | Fax +61 2
> 428 9933

-- 
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An organization that treats its programmers as morons will soon have
programmers that are willing and able to act like morons only. - B. Stroustrup

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From: David Barr <david@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Subject: Re: mailing lists in VM?
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John Kuszewski <johnk@spork.niddk.nih.gov> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using VM in Xemacs 19.13 under Solaris 2.5.  
> 
> I have a group of friends to which I often send mass emails.
> 
> Is there any way in VM to save the list of their email 
> addresses so that I can just say "mail to the guys" and it'll
> start up an editor with their addresses already inserted?
> I can't find anything about this in the Info nodes.

Yes, there is.

You can use the 'alias' command in your .mailrc file.

alias john john@foo.bar.com
alias joan jbk@not.here.com
alias jack jack@brain.get.edu

alias guys john joan jack



when you type 'guys' followed by a space in the To: field, it will be 
expanded fully.

If you dont have the following comments at the top of your .mailrc file,
add them. (Excuse the long lines)

# Local Variables:
# eval: (make-local-variable 'after-save-hook)
# eval: (setq after-save-hook (append (list '(lambda () (setq mail-aliases nil) (build-mail-aliases) nil)) after-save-hook))
# End:
# write-file-hooks: (rebuild-this-file)
#




David Barr.

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P.O.Box 201,                  | Tel:    +972-4-9894565  
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Ethan Bradford (ethanb@phys.washington.edu) wrote:
> Is Gnus 5.2 going to be part of the default emacs distribution?  If
> so, we should strive very adamantly for downward compatibility.  It is
> obnoxious to break things for users when they upgrade their emacs

NO!

Both GNU Emacs and XEmacs introduced cc-mode, which is incompatible
with the old c-mode, but also much better. It also broke many many
settings made for years. And it is all right, because of the
prevailing quality. The same goes for message-mode.

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Does `save-options-menu-settings' still tries to save all face
properties (even the non-printable/readable ones, e.g. display-table) or
is this fixed in XEmacs-19.14?

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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kumar_ranjit (ranjit@.nskernel.Tandem.COM) wrote:
>   I use emacs and hilit19 to highlight C language keywords.
> Unfortunately when I try and use xemacs, xemacs complains
> "can not open hilit19". It does not highlight my C language
> programs! How can I overcome this problem. Thx,

Use font-lock instead of hilit19. Try M-x font-lock-mode.

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In article <31C5FF31.480A@faslab.com> Vinay Kumar <vinayk@faslab.com> writes:

>From: Vinay Kumar <vinayk@faslab.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:58:25 -0700
>Organization: SUNY Geneseo	
>
>Hi!! 
>	I have some problem using ediff-directories fn. After the prompt
>for the two directories, it prompts for the REGEXP to filter the file 
>names. I tried with all kinds of regexp like ts*, 'ts*' "ts*" etc but 
>it always gives me an error saying "wrong number of arguments: 
>..#byte code (list1, list2).....\152..etc". I cannot compare/merge two
>directories now.
>	Could someone please me with this. What am I doing wrong here?
>
>Thanks a zillion,
>Vinay.
>--

You'll need to load these 2 libraries first thing in your .emacs:
(load-library "cl")
(load-library "cl-seq")

-- 
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Santa Clara, CA (408)492-2092   

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Hi,

I want to turn fast font-lock by default, the only thing I manage to do
though is to turn on font-lock by default. I have the following code in
my .emacs:

	(setq-default highlight-paren-expression nil)
	(require 'font-lock)
	(require 'fast-lock)
	(add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
	(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-1)
	(setq-default font-lock-mode 't)

This turns on font-lock mode but I have to give the commando 'M-x
font-lock-mode' twice to get fast font which gives me the desired
result.

Anyone knows how to do this by default?

I hope you can mail me directly, thanks!

--Jeroen

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Hi...

Please post pointers to the XEMACS FAQ(s), Web page, and archive.
Thanks!

Dave
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From: marko@cs.uni-frankfurt.de (Marko Schuetz)
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>>>>> "Th" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

    Th> I've tried downloading dismal-1.04.tar.gz for a while
    Th> now. Unfortunately the connection doesn't live long enough to
    Th> get the whole file. Data transfer rates are frightening... Do
    Th> you now of any other site I could try and download the files?
    Th> Is there a mirror in europe somewhere?

That's dismals 'home' as far as I know:

/anonymous@psyc.nott.ac.uk:/pub/ritter

Marko

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According to Dave Astheimer  <dra@inetpop.is.ge.com>:
+ Hi...
+ 
+ Please post pointers to the XEMACS FAQ(s), Web page, and archive.
+ Thanks!
+ 
+ Dave
+ --

http://www.xemacs.org :-)


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>>>>> "Kent"==Kent A Vander Velden <graphix@iastate.edu> writes:

Kent>   Is there a mailing list that I could subscribe to and only
Kent>   receive announcements of changes to xemacs?

Good idea. And ofr some XEemacs/Emacs related annousements...

-- Artur

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From: Robert Szarek <rszarek@nortel.ca>
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Is there any information or a site with files that may show me how to
setup syntax coloring for languages like Java, Tcl/Tk or HTML ?

Thanx.

Rob.

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From: Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
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>>>>> On 20 Jun 1996 01:53:16 GMT, davidm@prism.kla.com (David
>>>>> S. Masterson) said:

  David> I'm looking for a capability to fill paragraphs *excluding*
  David> the first line.  A good example of this is filling an Emacs
  David> outline like the following:

  David> ================
  David> * Title1
  David> A paragraph describing this title
  David> in more detail.

  David> ** Subtitle1
  David> A paragraph describing this title
  David> in more detail as well.

  David> ================

I think a good approach would be to set the paragraph-start and
paragraph-separate regexps correctly.  Just tell it that a line that
matches "^\\*+ " is a paragraph separator.  This implies that it is
not part of a paragraph and therefore it isn't filled.

I'm not sure of any of this, though.
kai
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From: Gael Marziou <gael@samsara.grenoble.hp.com>
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Sobhan> Hi all, When I save mail in VM using "s" it just gives the
Sobhan> directory name in the mini buffer. Instead, how can we make vm
Sobhan> think like elm and try to save by default in the file named
Sobhan> after the login id of the person who has sent the mail...

You can put this in your ~/.vm 


      (setq vm-auto-folder-alist
            '(
              ;; Save messages according to sender, a folder by sender
                        ("From:"  ("^\\(\\w*\\)" . (buffer-substring
                                                   (match-beginning 1)
                                                   (match-end 1))))
              ))

Hope this helps,

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
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In <53n31yd2bx.fsf@flugor.if.uj.edu.pl> artur@flugor.if.uj.edu.pl (Artur Pioro) writes:

>>>>>> "Kent"==Kent A Vander Velden <graphix@iastate.edu> writes:

>Kent>   Is there a mailing list that I could subscribe to and only
>Kent>   receive announcements of changes to xemacs?

>Good idea. And ofr some XEemacs/Emacs related annousements...

  Thanks.  My main hope was for a way to unsubscribe to one more
newsgroup that I only check out to see if there have been any changes.


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From: Alexander Schinner <alexander.schinner@physik.uni-magdeburg.de>
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Hi,
I have a problem installing auctex for xemacs.
We have auctex 9.4g xemacs 19.12, everything is under Solaris 2.5.

The command "make all" worked fine, but the problem ist "make install".
It stops in the section make LispInstall


[...]
>>Error occurred processing style/harvard.el: Wrong number of arguments: #<subr make-sparse-keymap>, 1
 
Compiling /shared/home/schinner/auctex-9.4g/style/swedish.el...
While compiling toplevel forms in file
/shared/home/schinner/auctex-9.4g/style/swedish.el:
  ** assignment to free variable TeX-open-quote
Wrote /shared/home/schinner/auctex-9.4g/style/swedish.elc
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `LispInstall'

I tried to replace harvard.el with something, that was compiled
correctly, but then the same error appears vor latex.el .

Who know whats going wrong? Who can help me?

Thank you
Alex

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I use xemacs with gdb . can I somehow redirect the output of the program which I am debugging
to an xterm . emacs can not handel it properly because part of it is written using curses .
I shows up properly when I use sunpro debugger because it redirects all output to a shelltool
Is there any such thing in xemacs ?
Thanx a lot.
Manish Mittal

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Thanva Khouvongsavanh writes:

> I am running linux 1.2.13, I downloaded and installed Elf for
> xemacs 19.13 as specified in the README. When I try to run the binary I
> get a can't resolve sybol '_h_errno'.

 - use a libc version 5.2.18
or
 - fetch the source and compile your binaries !

-- 
Nat    Linux

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Miles Daly Duke writes:

Miles> werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim werner) wrote:

>> The reason I am trying an alternative to shell.el is that I have grown
>> weary of it's inability to keep track of the current directory, and the
>> way that completely messes up filename-completion.

Miles> I used to have a problem with that, but there's a variable or command
Miles> controlling whether shell.el should try to follow cd, pushd, popd
Miles> commands, etc.  Something like "shell-dirtrack-toggle".  The things
Miles> that cause problems are:


A solution that I've used very successfully for a while now - though a
little complex - is to have my shell spit out escape sequences containing
the current directory name and to have a comint filter prepared to find
them.  You can do all sorts of funky stuff like this (I have shell
"commands" that invoke emacs for editing a file, grepping in a directory,
starting a make, or ediffing two files).

This method is so much more robust, captures the _true_ pathname of the
working directory.  But it does require .cshrc (or whatever) to be setup
properly.

-- 
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>In article <VANT.96Jun17073939@garfield.minerva.robadome.com> vant@minerva.robadome.com (Van P. Trinh) writes:
>
>> "Can't run gnuserv because server.el appears to be loaded already"
>
>gnuserv is the newer incarnation of server.el and it's incompatible with
>it. You need to prevent server.el from loading. Check your site-init.el or
>ask shoever installed xemacs to do it.

It's also possible that you're loading your server from inside your .emacs.
If you copied yours from someone else, you might be unaware of this.

So look through your .emacs for any sort of (load-library "server") command,
and remove it.
-- 
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In article <199606190446.XAA02739@charles.cs.uiuc.edu>, cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu (Chuck Thompson) writes:
> AUCTex is not included in 19.14.

Sorry to hear this - AUCTeX is one of the most useful packages in
whole XEmacs. Care to comment?
--
Regards,
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>>>>> "Van" == Van P Trinh <vant@minerva.robadome.com> writes:

Van> You'll need to load these 2 libraries first thing in your .emacs:
Van> (load-library "cl")
Van> (load-library "cl-seq")

19.14 will take care of this for you by default.
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In article <sh0001k9xady5r.fsf@standalone.medtronic.com> scott.hansohn@medtronic.com () writes:

> From: scott.hansohn@medtronic.com ()
>
> Dave Apman <davea@redwood.rt.cs.boeing.com> writes:
>  C-u C-x C-x doesn't work either!  Don't ask me why.
> 
> 
> In c++-mode, you'd want C-u C-c C-c.
> 

of course the C-u can be followed by a numerical argument to specify
the levels of commenting (+ve) or uncommenting (-ve).


-aa

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Dear Sir,

     Problem with XEmacs on X-Windows
     -------------------------------

     We have successfully installed the architecture-independent and
     architecture dependent files of xemacs-19.13 for
     sunos4.1.3

     when the executable xemacs19.13 
     is run from my HOME directory, it displays

     Initialization error: X server "display no" not responding

     where display no is mmy xterminal-no.

     when the display is unset, and the executable is run,

     it runs with all commands, but we are not able
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     Kindly advise on this.

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Uri Blumenthal wrote:
> 
Chuck Thompson writes:
> > AUCTex is not included in 19.14.
> 
> Sorry to hear this - AUCTeX is one of the most useful packages in
> whole XEmacs. Care to comment?
> --
> Regards,
> Uri.                    uri@watson.ibm.com      N2RIU

I completely agree with Uri that AUC-Tex *is* a very useful package.
Integrating it might be a good idea!

yours

                 Joachim
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From: mkorth@slts.systline.de (Markus Korth)
Subject: Re: Xemacs VM
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>  In VM, every time I try to do something a new window pops up. For
> example when I try to visit a folder, a new window pops up with that
> folder. I would like to have a SINGLE mail window at any point of
> time, whatever I am doing.. visiting folders or sending mail.. or
> reading mail.. or what ever.

Just put the following in your .emacs:

(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

Ciao
 Markus
-- 
Markus Korth  SYSTline Heiden Lemmermann Systemhaus GmbH (mkorth@systline.de)

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From: Karsten Ballueder <Karsten@piobelix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de>
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Subject: gdb in XEmacs
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When I am using gdb in xemacs, I cannot complete function/variable names
by using TAB anymore.
Usually, when I use gdb in an xterm and type something like:

break 'myObject::f[TAB]

gdb will show me a list of possible completions.
Apparently when using it in xemacs, xemacs tries to do something about
[TAB]. 

Is there a convenient way to get this completion-functionality in
xemacs? Maybe even a more comfortable one than in gdb?

Thank you a lot in advance,
-- 
Karsten Ballueder	e-mail:karsten@piobelix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
The KBackup Homepage:	http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Karsten.Ballueder/

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Hi,

I'm trying to install XEmacs-19.13 on my HP9000/300 workstation under
HP-UX 9.03. Configure works fine, but during Make I get the following
error message:

        gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.        -I/hd5/usr/xemacs-19.13/src
            -I/usr/include/X11R5          -I/usr/include/X11R5 
            -I/usr/include/Motif1.2  -I/hd5/usr/xemacs-19.13/src/../lwlib
            -g -O  unexhp9k3.c
cc1: warning: `-g' option not supported on this version of GCC
In file included from unexhp9k3.c:43:
/usr/include/a.out.h:170: field `debug_header' has incomplete type
In file included from unexhp9k3.c:48:
sysdep.h:37: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:37: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration,
sysdep.h:37: warning: which is probably not what you want.
sysdep.h:39: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:82: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:83: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:113: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:117: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Do you know what's wrong?

Thanks 

Stefan Heun

-- 
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Laboratorio TASC-INFM      FAX:  +39-40-226767
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34012 Trieste, Italy


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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face
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uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes:

> > AUCTex is not included in 19.14.
> 
> Sorry to hear this - AUCTeX is one of the most useful packages in
> whole XEmacs. Care to comment?

I made a long comment on this, however I must have only replied via
email.

AUCTex is very big and it is a pain to integrate.  The size is the
real factor, though.  As the XEmacs distribution has grown in size
with every release we have grown more and more reluctant to integrate
big new packages.

That will change with 19.15, however.  19.15 will have a new packaging
system which will allow us to have a "lite" distribution which you can
then retrieve individual modules of packages you actually want to use.
The system will fully integrate the modules into the system.  Though I
hate to use the term, basically we're talking about plug-and-play.
AUCTex will probably still not be a part of the full distribution but
we will definitely make it available as a module in the new system.



			-Chuck

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From: jbilla+@pitt.edu (Jayadev  Billa)
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Hi folks, 

 I have been trying to work the perl debugger in xemacs. I was able to 
locate a perldb.el that works with FSF emacs but not with xemacs. Im not 
much of a elisp person, and I was wondering and hoping someone has ported 
it to xemacs or has a better one available somewhere. Does anyone know 
about such a thing? Any pointers/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help,

Jay Billa
 

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From: pasken@thunder.slu.edu (Robert Pasken)
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	I have an older version of a groff/troff mode for Emacs-18.59 that works
very well for me. I would like to use the newer version of Emacs (Xemacs), but
cannot get the groff-mode.el to work with Xemacs. Does anybody have a groff-mode
already written or somebody tell me what to do with the one I have ?

	Please reply to pasken@thunder.slu.edu rather than the above address that
MAY be different.

RWP





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A file for syntax coloring Java is available at
ftp://ftp.std.com/pub/fwhite/java-flock.el.  There may also be support
in 19.14.

< Fred

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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Karsten Ballueder wrote:
> 
> When I am using gdb in xemacs, I cannot complete function/variable names
> by using TAB anymore.
> Usually, when I use gdb in an xterm and type something like:
> 
> break 'myObject::f[TAB]
> 
> gdb will show me a list of possible completions.
> Apparently when using it in xemacs, xemacs tries to do something about
> [TAB].
> 
> Is there a convenient way to get this completion-functionality in
> xemacs? Maybe even a more comfortable one than in gdb?

try using dabbrev-expand(M-/) or dabbrev-completion (M-C-/)
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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From: Tom Howland <tom@rahul.net>
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Scott Evans wrote:
> 
> I see that 19.14 will have a function 'recover-files' to save yourself
> from crashes.  Nice.
> 
> Along the same lines, I'd like something that let me save my basic
> environment, and then recreate it when I restart XEmacs.  I currently do
> this by getting a list of all the buffers, saving their filenames in a
> file, and running "gnuclient -q `cat filenamefile`" -- I realize this could
> be done with elisp, and was about to do just that when it occured to me
> that somebody must have done this already.  Does it exist?
> 
> Note: I really only want to recover files, not things like environment
> variables (I'm restarting XEmacs in the first place to inherit a new set
> of them).

I use something derived from something I got from the elisp archive at osu

( found using William M. Perry's search facility at

	http://www.cs.indiana.edu:800/LCD/cover.html
)

; Ensure that the files you were editing when you exited will be the
; files that are loaded when you start a new session by having in your .emacs

;	(load-library "context")
;	(recover-context)

; This is derived from a file by the same name, context.el, written by

; 	David Neves, neves@ils.nwu.edu

; it has been drastically simplified. David Neves version attempts to
; maintain context for every file visited via find-file hooks. This
; version has no find-file hooks.

(defconst context-file "~/.emacs_context" "*File for Emacs context")

(defvar context-alist nil "Association list holding some file context.
  The structure is ( (file-name1 point) (file-name2 point) ...)")

(defvar context-max-size 50 ;why 50?  why not?
  "*Maximum number of files that context is saved for.
If not a number (e.g. nil) then the number of files is allowed to
grow arbitrarily large.  This will result in slower performance because
the context-alist is searched linearly.")

(defvar context-flag t
  "*If non-nil the `save-context' command will always be run before Emacs is
exited and context will be applied to files that are read in.  In other words,
you can turn off all context processing by setting this flag to nil.")

(defvar context-ignore-files
  (list "/tmp")  ;use "list" so one can evaluate expressions
  "*List of files and directories to ignore for context processing")

(defmacro context-second (l)  (list 'car (list 'cdr l)))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
; save context

;;; is str1 at the front of str2?
(defun context-match (str1 str2)
  (let ((result (string-match str1 str2)))
    (and (numberp result) (zerop result))))

;;; returns true if no context should be saved out for filename
(defun context-ignore-file (filename)
  (let ((ignore-list context-ignore-files)
        (answer nil))
   (while (and ignore-list (null answer))
     (if (context-match (car ignore-list) filename) (setq answer t)
       (setq ignore-list (cdr ignore-list))))
   answer))

;;; version of assoc that returns 2 values (in a list)
;;; (pair found, position before it)
;;; e.g. (context-assoc 'foo '((a b) (c d) (foo bar) (e f)))
;;;      ((foo bar) ((c d) (foo bar) (e f)))
;;; We are also returning the position before it
;;;  so that we can splice it out of the list with rplacd.
;;; if car of result is nil then failure - we failed to find the item.
;;; if cadr of result is nil then the item is at the front of the list.
(defun context-assoc (key alist)
  (let ((before nil) (current alist))
    (if (equal key (car (car current))) nil
      (setq current (cdr current))
      (while (and current (not (equal key (car (car current)))))
        (setq before current)
        (setq current (cdr current))))
    (list (car current) before)))

;;; place buffer context in the list "context-alist".
;;; If it already exists in that list then also move that
;;; information to the front of the alist.
(defun read-buffer-context (buf)
  (let ((file-name (buffer-file-name buf))
        buffer-data
        assoc-result
        before
        pointloc
        file-data)
    (set-buffer buf)
    (setq pointloc (point))
    (setq buffer-data (list pointloc)) ;only save the point
    (if (or (null file-name) 
            ;; rmail assumes point is at position 1 when RMAIL
            ;; file is read in.
            (eq major-mode 'rmail-mode)  ;thanks Graham
            (context-ignore-file file-name)) nil
      (setq assoc-result (context-assoc file-name context-alist))
      (setq file-data (car assoc-result))
      (if (null file-data) (setq context-alist 
                                 (cons (cons file-name buffer-data) 
                                       context-alist))
        (rplacd file-data buffer-data) ;associate new context with file name
        ;; move (file data) to front of alist.
        ;; The first n entries are deleted when emacs is finished.
        (setq before (context-second assoc-result))
        (if (null before) nil                  ;already at front
          (rplacd before (cdr (cdr before)))   ;else splice it out
          (setq context-alist (cons file-data context-alist)))))))

(defun save-context ()
  "Save context (currently, the point) of all Emacs buffers.
The context information goes into a file whose name is stored 
in the variable 'context-file')."
  (interactive)
  (setq context-alist nil)
  (save-excursion
    (mapcar (function read-buffer-context) (reverse (buffer-list)))
    (let ((buf (get-buffer-create "*context*"))
          nth-part)
      (cond ((numberp context-max-size)
             (setq nth-part (nthcdr (1- context-max-size) context-alist))
             (if nth-part (rplacd nth-part nil))));reduce size of context-alist
      (set-buffer buf)
      (erase-buffer)
      (insert "(setq context-alist '(")
      (mapcar (function (lambda (l) 
                          ;; print function in 18.4x outputs 2 newlines
                          ;; so use terpri and prin1 instead
                          (terpri buf)
                          (prin1 l buf))) context-alist)
      (insert "))")
      (if (file-exists-p context-file) (delete-file context-file))
      (write-region 1 (point-max) context-file nil 'nomessage)
      (kill-buffer buf)))
  (setq context-alist nil))

(defun save-context-maybe ()
  "Save context if context-flag is not nil."
   (if context-flag (save-context)))

(add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'save-context-maybe)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
; recover context

(defun context-restore (alist)
  (cond (alist
	 (let ((filename (caar alist)))
	   (cond ((file-exists-p filename)
		  (message filename) (find-file filename))))
	 (goto-char (cadar alist))
	 (context-restore (cdr alist)))))

(defun read-context ()
   "Read in an Emacs context.  Usually done when Emacs is initially called.
    This function should be called in .emacs ."
   (interactive)
   (cond ((file-exists-p context-file)
	  (load context-file t t t)
	  context-alist)
	 (t (setq context-alist nil))))

(defun recover-context ()
  (interactive)
  (context-restore (reverse (read-context))))

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From: mercerm@sclfl.com (Michele Mercer)
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Subject: Looking for xemacs for NT?
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Hi,

I'm looking for xemacs for an NT running NT4.0. If anyone
knows an ftp site where I can get it from I would appreciate it.

Please send response to mercerm@sclfl.com

Thank You

Michele
mercerm@sclfl.com

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Looking for xemacs for NT?
Date: 21 Jun 1996 14:22:30 -0500
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    Michele> I'm looking for xemacs for an NT running NT4.0. If anyone
    Michele> knows an ftp site where I can get it from I would
    Michele> appreciate it.

There's Win-Emacs which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6 and that is it.
We're very interested in finding someone to XEmacs to NT (and any
other platform we don't currently work on).  The fact that a port of
GNU Emacs already exists combined with the fact that XEmacs is much
better constructed for actually doing a port in the first place it
shouldn't take someone experienced with NT and Emacs all that long to
do the port.

-- 
Chuck Thompson					     primary XEmacs maintainer
Research Programmer
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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From: mercerm@sclfl.com (Michele Mercer)
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Hi,

Can someone tell me how I get all the headers or page to another page
of headers in gnus? When I select a newsgroup it ask me how many
articles I want to get. So for example if there are 600 articles
in a newgroup I want to get all 600 I just hit return. Then I 
get a list of headers but I don't get all of them I only get about
a page's worth. Is there some key sequence I can use to see the
next set or pages worth?

Please send response to mercerm@sclfl.com.

Thanks Michele
mercerm@sclfl.com


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Thank you all for answering my first wave of questions.  Here's another
one :)

 - Why is the lenght of the slider in the SB change as you scroll down?  I
thought it was a ratio of (number of lines displayed)/ (total number of
lines);

  - What do the "recycle" pointer and modeline pointer mean?  I can
understand what a clock or an hour-glass means, but a recycle logo is too
much for me;

  - is it possible to redo?

Thanks.

Vinh-An Trinh
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
vinh@info.polymtl.ca


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>>>>> "Trin-Duy" == Trin-Duy Vinh-An <vinh@info.polymtl.ca> writes:

    Trin-Duy> Why is the lenght of the slider in the SB change as you
    Trin-Duy> scroll down?  I thought it was a ratio of (number of
    Trin-Duy> lines displayed)/ (total number of lines);

With most applications that is indeed what the ratio is based on.
With XEmacs, however, it is based on the percentage of the total
characters in the buffer which are displayed.  The problem is that,
internally, XEmacs is not line based.  This means that, especially in
large buffers, calculating the current line number can be expensive.
There are ways to cache this information to speedup the determination
but we haven't had the time to do such implementation in XEmacs.  I
know that one such implementation was done for GNU Emacs but I don't
know if it was ever actually rolled into the main source tree.


    Trin-Duy> What do the "recycle" pointer and modeline pointer mean?
    Trin-Duy> I can understand what a clock or an hour-glass means,
    Trin-Duy> but a recycle logo is too much for me;

There is no actual recycle pointer.  There is a recycle pixmap which
the gc pointer is often set to.  This is what the mouse pointer is
changed to while a garbage collection is in process.  The modeline
pointer is what the mouse pointer is changed to when it is over the
modeline.


    Trin-Duy> - is it possible to redo?

No.


			-Chuck

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In article <qj7mt19tv8.fsf@charles.cs.uiuc.edu>,
	Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu> writes:
>> Sorry to hear this - AUCTeX is one of the most useful packages in
>> whole XEmacs. Care to comment?
> 
> AUCTex is very big and it is a pain to integrate.  The size is the
> real factor, though.  As the XEmacs distribution has grown in size
> with every release we have grown more and more reluctant to integrate
> big new packages.

Hmm... It was extremely easy for me to add it - practically
straight out of box. And I know little to nothing of XEmacs
"guts". 

So how difficult could it be for you to integrate it? [I do
hear your complain about its size though... Still, it's too
useful to be excluded.]
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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>>>>> "Uri" == Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com> writes:

    Uri> Hmm... It was extremely easy for me to add it - practically
    Uri> straight out of box. And I know little to nothing of XEmacs
    Uri> "guts".

    Uri> So how difficult could it be for you to integrate it? [I do
    Uri> hear your complain about its size though... Still, it's too
    Uri> useful to be excluded.]


Maybe things have changed since the last time I checked.  However, the
basic answer to your question is:  Just because a package installs
nicely out of the box does not mean that it is easy to integrate into
XEmacs.  AUCTex used to require a number of settings be made which
were done as part of the installation process.  Clean and simple,
yes.  Clean and simple to integrate into the XEmacs build process...

A beta tester had actually done most of the needed work at one point
but the size factor (and time factor since it was done close to the
19.13 release date I believe) got in the way.  It's possible some of
those changes were integrated into AUCTex.  Per would be able to
answer that.


			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Vladimir" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
In article <omohmgv113.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:


    Vladimir> M-x archie dismal RET.

Which bring up the next question: where do you find archie.el?

Not surprisingly, M-x archie archie RET  didn't work.

M.

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Subject: Re: XAPPLRESDIR
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You could try XUSERFILESEARCHPATH.

Trae

Rene Krell wrote:
> 
> How do I override the standard application default path
> without recompiling XEmacs?
> Usage of $XAPPLRESDIR doesn't work...
> 
> Rene

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: gnus - how do I get all of the headers?
Date: 21 Jun 1996 17:01:54 -0700
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>>>>> "Michele" == Michele Mercer <mercerm@sclfl.com> writes:

Michele> Hi,

Michele> Can someone tell me how I get all the headers or page to
Michele> another page of headers in gnus? When I select a newsgroup it
Michele> ask me how many articles I want to get. So for example if
Michele> there are 600 articles in a newgroup I want to get all 600 I
Michele> just hit return. Then I get a list of headers but I don't get
Michele> all of them I only get about a page's worth. Is there some
Michele> key sequence I can use to see the next set or pages worth?

The key sequence to see the next page is C-v (the same as it is
everywhere else).  You might also use the `Page Down' key on your
keyboard if you have one, or use the scrollbar.

On the other hand, there is the possibility that Gnus count is wrong.
Gnus count is only as reliable as the information it gets from the
NNTP server, and expired articles inside a range of articles will
throw the count off.  The next time this happens, check the dates on
the earliest articles, and also examine the message ID # you see on
the Summary buffer status line.  If you see a very old date, or a wide
gap in message numbers, then that is what is happening.

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>>>>> "Michele" == Michele Mercer <mercerm@sclfl.com> writes:

Michele> Hi,
Michele> I'm looking for xemacs for an NT running NT4.0. If anyone
Michele> knows an ftp site where I can get it from I would appreciate it.

This answer is in the XEmacs FAQ available at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html#Q1_0_10
and mirrored at:
	http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html#Q1_0_10

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?    
                                            
   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.      
   Available from <URL: http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.                                       
               
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at         
   <URL: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   


According to the docs, GNU Emacs 19.31 runs on that platform.

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>>>>> "Jayadev" == Jayadev Billa <jbilla> writes:

Jayadev> Hi folks, 
Jayadev>  I have been trying to work the perl debugger in xemacs. I
Jayadev> was able to locate a perldb.el that works with FSF emacs but
Jayadev> not with xemacs. Im not much of a elisp person, and I was
Jayadev> wondering and hoping someone has ported it to xemacs or has a
Jayadev> better one available somewhere. Does anyone know about such a
Jayadev> thing? Any pointers/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Jayadev> Thanks in advance for your help,

Perl debugging is delivered standard in XEmacs 19.14.

perldb: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "gud".
Run perldb on program FILE in buffer *gud-FILE*.
The directory containing FILE becomes the initial working directory
and source-file directory for your debugger.

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Dave Astheimer <dra@inetpop.is.ge.com> writes:
> Please post pointers to the XEMACS FAQ(s), Web page, and archive.
> Thanks!

#define FLAME_MODE ACTIVE

   It appears that people do not read documentations any longer. I
   have finally accepted this as a fact of life. But it strikes me as
   rather weird that it is easier to post a message, than to select
   the friendly "Help" button...

   I suggest, we should write an X extension that adds gravity to
   widgets. This way the mouse pointer would automatically be moved
   unto the Help button, whenever the mouse is either inactive or
   moved aimlessly :-)
   
#undef  FLAME_MODE

Seriously though, you could just have selected the Help menu in the
upper righthand corner of the XEmacs frame. The first few menu entries
take you to XEmacs' homepage and to the current release of the
html'ized FAQ (kudos to Steve Baur). The URL is either
http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu/ or http://www.xemacs.org/ which should be
synonymous. From there you should find plenty of pointers to all
relevant sites. If that is not yet sufficient, conduct either a WWW
search with one of the many search engines or use archie in order to
look for FTP sites that carry (X)Emacs related files.

Enjoy XEmacs,



Markus

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From: kyriacou@umbc.edu (Stelios Kyriacou)
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Hi, I noticed that in regular emacs you can actually access
the menus using the keyboard by hitting F10 etc.
I find this very nice - is there any plan to do this for xemacs??

Thanks 
Stelios

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>>>>> "Stelios" == Stelios Kyriacou <kyriacou@umbc.edu> writes:

    Stelios> Hi, I noticed that in regular emacs you can actually
    Stelios> access the menus using the keyboard by hitting F10 etc.
    Stelios> I find this very nice - is there any plan to do this for
    Stelios> xemacs??

It's on the TODO list, but I'm not sure when it will show up.  Part of
the problem is that I would like to add true pull-down menus in tty
mode which is more a lot more work than just porting what is in GNU
Emacs.


			-Chuck

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Manish Mittal (manish@counterspell-116.synopsys.com) wrote:
: I use xemacs with gdb . can I somehow redirect the output of the program which I am debugging
: to an xterm . emacs can not handel it properly because part of it is written using curses .
: I shows up properly when I use sunpro debugger because it redirects all output to a shelltool
: Is there any such thing in xemacs ?
You should run gdb - the elisp command; rather than gdb - the
program-in-a-shell!  M-x gdb <return>

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>>>>> "GVR" == George V Reilly <gvr@chinook.halcyon.com> writes:

GVR> If you've developed an application on Windows 95 and haven't gone
GVR> bug-fuck crazy from the sheer frustratation of dealing with its
GVR> flakiness and bugginess,

Of course, if you can legitimately make that claim then anything else is
trivial by comparison :).

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Trin-Duy Vinh-An (vinh@info.polymtl.ca) wrote:
>   - is it possible to redo?

You can emulate this by issuing a movement command after undo, and
then pressing undo will redo.

-- 
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       the Emacs religion.

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A special edition of the XEmacs FAQ will be posted in few hours to
coincide with the release of XEmacs 19.14.  Clip and save if you
prefer local copies over browsing the Web.

The XEmacs FAQ has pretty much been rewritten since the version that
appeared with 19.13, and so much material has been added since its
last regular posting on the 5th, that I will be making a courtesy
posting to this newsgroup.

If you have not seen the New and Improved XEmacs FAQ before, here is
what it basically consists of.  The XEmacs FAQ is posted in 6 parts.
1.  Introduction.  Read this first if you want to find out what XEmacs
    is all about.
2.  Installation and trouble shooting.  This section has been updated
    specifically for 19.14, and is based on recent experiences with
    the latest betas.
3.  Customization and Options.
4.  Major Subsystems (includes VM, Gnus, W3)
5.  Miscellaneous (Everything from major modes, to various lisp
    programming tips)
6.  Current Events (What's new in 19.14 and 19.13 to 19.14 migration
    tips).

The XEmacs FAQ is also available on the World Wide Web at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
It is mirrored at:
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

To see what has changed since the last regularly scheduled Usenet
posting use the URL:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html

Please note:  The XEmacs FAQ has changed URLs.  If you do a web search
for it right now, you are likely to come up with the old outdated
FAQ.  The signature of an obsolete URL is one ending in `_toc.html' or
any filename (other than the changes page) in mixed case.

Questions and comments are always welcome.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur (XEmacs FAQ Maintainer)
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.
Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone
except you in November.

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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> writes:
> 
> Erik> Great idea! A movie about XEmacs!
> Erik> I wonder who will be the bad guy(s)?  ;-)
> 
> Microsoft Word lusers?
> 
> --
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.
> Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone
> except you in November.

How DARE you criticize Microsoft Word? It only takes me about one minute
to 
open the program, and opening a file usually takes less than 30 seconds.
And there are so many cute icons to click on! 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
vivek@uiuc.edu			      
http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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Subject: suggestion for finding files
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Xemacs is very cool, but I still have some suggestions:

(1)When looking for files using C-x C-f, allow Unix syntax 
in finding files. For example, if one enters *.f in the 
minibuffer as the file to find, Xemacs could display 
all the *.f files in the directory. 

(2) When one enters <SPACE> in the minibuffer after C-x C-f, 
all files that match the string specified are listed, in 
alphabetical order. Often, listing the files according to 
when they were last modified would be more useful. That can 
help a user who forgets which file he last modified. 

______________________________________
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Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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This is not a regularly scheduled posting of the XEmacs FAQ.  It is a
courtesy unscheduled post to coincide with the release of XEmacs 19.14.
   
                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at: <URL:
   http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at: <URL:
   http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much nicer
   than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at Utrecht,
   Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see <URL:
   http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.4.3, Q1.4.4, and Q1.4.5 were added on June 6.
    2. Q1.4.6 was added on June 7.
    3. Q1.4.1 was updated on June 11.
    4. Q1.3.5, Q1.3.6 were added on June 13.
    5. Q1.4.7 was added on June 16.
       
   This file was last modified on June 16, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
               o Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff
                 to `lignux' like RMS did?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
                 [updated]
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0 [new]
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
                 [new]
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own? [updated]
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around? [new]
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor? [new]
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key? [new]
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function? [new]
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0? [new]
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.13, released on September 1, 1995.
   
   The release date of 19.14 is now scheduled for June 23, the one year
   anniversary of the 19.12 release.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at <URL:
   ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the <URL:
   http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of some
   of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?

   There are currently irreconcilable differences between RMS and the
   XEmacs development team. Ben Wing posted to comp.emacs.xemacs an
   explanation, reproduced at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-merge.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at <URL:
   http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory <URL:
   ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL: http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff to `lignux'
like RMS did?

   Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   No.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ appears
   on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of answering
   a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like to hear
   about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be edited
   for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers appearing
   without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ dated before
   May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at the top of this
   document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles will always be
   attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ? [updated]

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <martin.buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q.1.2.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. Martin Buchholz <martin.buchholz@sun.com> may be doing
   some work on this.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0
[new]

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses egg user interface. Interface
   for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to support
   ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free and
   Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made good grammar and dictionary. So for standard
   modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition, UNIX
   version of Canna is free. (now there is windows version)
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world. SUN bundled in Japanese version of Solaris). Maybe few
   users uses it.
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0? [new]

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
my own? [updated]

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are expected to be alike, but that's the point. The XEmacs
   distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine where the
   etc directory you may type the command ESC : data-directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around? [new]

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL: ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL: http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
something with text near the cursor? [new]

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (arg)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let ((count (if (null arg)
                   1
                 arg))
        here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key? [new]

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function? [new]

   A macro is a sequence of keystrokes that are bound to interactive lisp
   functions. Consider them similar to a shell script that calls a
   sequence of Unix programs, then the Unix programs themselves are
   analogous to lisp functions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
20.0? [new]

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ
   archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   The XEmacs development team is looking for a few good men and women to
   become beta testers.
   
   This file was last modified on June 21, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.14?
          + Q6.0.2 XEmacs Beta Testers needed.
          + Q6.0.3 New PNG Support required for 19.14
          + Q6.0.4 Tips for 19.13 to 19.14 migration
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.14?

   The following information is reproduced from the XEmacs Release Notes
   from the 19.14-b20 internal release.
   
  Future Plans for XEmacs
  
   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a "lite" distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language ("MULE") support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
  Major Differences Between 19.13 and 19.14
  
   This is a major new release. Many features have been added, as well as
   many bugs fixed.
   
   The Motif menubar has still NOT been fixed for 19.14. You should use
   the Lucid menubar instead.
   
  Major User-Visible Changes:
  
     * Color support in TTY mode is provided. You have to have a TTY
       capable of displaying them, such as color xterm or the console
       under Linux. If your terminal type supports colors (e.g.
       `xterm-color'), XEmacs will automatically notice this and start
       using color.
     * blink-cursor-mode enables a blinking text cursor. There is a
       menubar option for this also.
     * auto-show-mode is turned on by default; this means that XEmacs
       will automatically scroll a window horizontally as necessary to
       keep point in view.
     * a file dialog box is provided and will be used whenever you are
       prompted for a filename as a result of a menubar selection.
     * XEmacs can be compiled with built-in GIF, JPEG, and PNG support.
       The GIF libraries are supplied with XEmacs; for JPEG and PNG, you
       have to obtain the appropriate libraries (this is well-
       documented). This makes image display much easier and faster under
       W3 (the web browser) and TM (adds MIME support to VM and GNUS; not
       yet included with XEmacs but will be in 19.15).
     * XEmacs provides a really nice mode (PSGML with "Wing
       improvements") for editing HTML and other SGML documents. It
       parses the document, and as a result it does proper indentation,
       can show you the context you're in, the allowed tags at a
       particular position, etc.
     * XEmacs comes standard with modes for editing Java and VRML code,
       including font-lock support.
     * GNUS 5 comes standard with XEmacs.
     * You can now embed colors in the modeline, with different sections
       of the modeline responding appropriately to various mouse
       gestures: For example, clicking on the "read-only" indicator
       toggles the read-only status of a buffer, and clicking on the
       buffer name cycles to the next buffer. Pressing button3 on these
       areas brings up a popup menu of appropriate commands.
     * There is a much nicer mode for completion lists and such. At the
       minibuffer prompt, if you hit page-up or Meta-V, the completion
       buffer will be displayed (if it wasn't already), you're moved into
       it, and can move around and select filenames using the arrow keys
       and the return key. Rather than a cursor, a filename is
       highlighted, and the arrow keys change which filename is
       highlighted.
     * The edit-faces subsystem has also been much improved, in somewhat
       similar ways to the completion list improvements.
     * Many improvements were made to the multi-device support. We now
       provide an auxiliary utility called "gnuattach" that lets you
       connect to an existing XEmacs process and display a TTY frame on
       the current TTY connection, and commands `make-frame-on-display'
       (with a corresponding menubar entry) and `make-frame-on-tty' for
       more easily creating frames on new TTY or X connections.
     * We have incorporated nearly all of the functionality of GNU Emacs
       19.30 into XEmacs. This includes support for lazy-loaded byte code
       and documentation strings, improved paragraph filling, better
       support for margins within documents, v19 regular expression
       routines (including caching of compiled regexps), etc.
     * In accordance with GNU Emacs 19.30, the following key binding
       changes have been made:
          + C-x ESC -> C-x ESC ESC
          + ESC ESC -> ESC :
          + ESC ESC ESC is abort anything (keyboard-escape-quit).
     * All major packages have been updated to their latest-released
       versions.
     * XEmacs now gracefully handles a full colormap (such as typically
       results when running Netscape). The nearest available color is
       automatically substituted.
     * Many bug fixes to the subprocess/PTY code, ps-print, menubar
       functions, `set-text-properties', DEC Alpha support, toolbar
       resizing (the "phantom VM toolbar" bug), and lots and lots of
       other things were made.
     * The ncurses library (a replacement for curses, found especially
       under Linux) is supported, and will be automatically used if it
       can be found.
     * You can now undo in the minibuffer.
     * font-lock has been merged with GNU Emacs 19.30, improved defaults
       have been added, and changes have been made to the way it is
       configured.
     * Many, many modes have menubar entries for them.
     * `recover-session' lets you recover whatever files can be recovered
       after your XEmacs process has died unexpectedly.
     * C-h k followed by a toolbar button press correctly reports the
       binding of the toolbar button.
     * `function-key-map', `key-translation-map', and
       `keyboard-translate-table' are now correctly implemented.
     * `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
       removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
       Help).
     * There is a standard menubar entry for specifying which browser
       (Netscape, W3, Mosaic, etc.) to use when dispatching URL's in
       mail, Usenet news, etc.
     * Improved native sound support under Linux.
     * Lots of other things we forgot to mention.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Beta Testers are needed.

   The XEmacs Developers are looking for a few good men and women to
   become XEmacs beta testers. If you are interested, please follow the
   directions given in Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.3 New PNG Support

   XEmacs 19.14 has inline support for a wide variety of graphic formats,
   including PNG. You must have recent PNG libraries, v0.89c is the
   latest. The oldest version verified as working is v0.87. Libpng is
   available from <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png>.
   
   If you are using libgr as the source of your graphic libraries you
   must upgrade to 2.0.8 in order to use PNG support with XEmacs. Libgr
   is available at:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.ctd.comsat.com/pub/linux/ELF/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.4 Tips for 19.13 to 19.14 migration

    1. Submitted by John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
       The format for Save Options changed between 19.13 and 19.14. If
       you wish to use both versions, this recipe will work:
         1. First, save the portion at the end of your .emacs that was
            created by Save Options under XEmacs 19.13 as a new file, say
            .xemacs-options-19.13. That is, everything between, and
            including, the lines:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
        and

;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings
         2. Then add this bit of code in its place:

;; Load options for XEmacs 19.13.
(if (= emacs-minor-version 13)
    (load "~/.xemacs-options-19.13"))
        Now, if you use 19.14 and use Save Options, it will create a file
            called .xemacs-options in which settings for 19.14 will be
            saved, and a bit of code will be written to your .emacs to
            load that file only if you are running 19.14.
    2. Submitted by John Turner <turner@xdiv.lanl.gov>
          + When I start up I see Invalid color instantiator: nil. What's
            happening?
            Are you loading version 1.4 of search-menu? It is
            incompatible with XEmacs 19.14.
          + When I try to post a message in the Gnus distributed with
            XEmacs 19.14 I get the message wrong-type-argument stringp
            nil in the minibuffer, but it seems to work. What's
            happening?
            Are you using uniquify? It is incompatible with Gnus 5.2.
       
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   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ
   archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.2.1 was updated on June 6.
    2. Q4.3.4 was updated on June 8.
    3. Q4.3.2 and Q4.2.2 were updated on June 11.
    4. Q4.1.2 and Q4.7.2 were added on June 11.
    5. Q4.0.10 and Q4.2.3 were added on June 17.
    6. Q4.0.11 was added on June 21.
       
   This file was last modified on June 21, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.4 How do I change whether the VM buffer appears in
                 a separate frame?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame? [New]
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies? [New]
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall? [New]
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh! [Updated]
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
                 [Updated]
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
                 [New]
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [Updated]
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems? [Updated]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks and EOS
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks and EOS
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets? [New]
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:
   http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
   faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 How do I change whether the VM buffer appears in a separate
	frame?

   There are various variables, called vm-frame-per-*. Use Apropos to
   find them. For example, if you don't want VM to create a new frame
   when visiting a folder, do

(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make movemail setgid to a suitable group such as mail.
   You can use these commands (as root):

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame? [New]

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies? [New]

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall? [New]

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh! [Updated]

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14? [Updated]

   Gnus 5.2.25.
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [New]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (gnus))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [Updated]

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems? [updated]

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at <URL:
   http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.html>.
   In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape use
   the version of movemail configured for your system by the person who
   built XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks and EOS

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL: http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes: Era stood for Emacs
   Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the modified version of
   Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was got dragged, er, allowed to work on
   this wonderful editor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL: mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use <URL:
   mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from the
   list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending help
   requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most resent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL: ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access anonymous ftp, you can get it by email
   requests to <URL: mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL: ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 3 Part 5 =>

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>>>>> "Manish" == Manish Mittal <manish@counterspell-116.synopsys.com> writes:

Manish> I use xemacs with gdb . can I somehow redirect the output of the program which I am debugging
Manish> to an xterm . emacs can not handel it properly because part of it is written using curses .
Manish> I shows up properly when I use sunpro debugger because it redirects all output to a shelltool
Manish> Is there any such thing in xemacs ?

You start an xterm and check the name of the tty it gets, then in gdb:

tty /dev/ttyp?

and the output should be directed to the xterm.



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This is not a regularly scheduled posting of the XEmacs FAQ.  It is a
courtesy unscheduled post to coincide with the release of XEmacs 19.14.

                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.1.1, Q2.1.2, and Q2.1.8 were updated on June 11.
    2. Q2.0.6, Q2.1.9, and Q2.1.10 were added on June 11.
    3. Q2.1.11 was added on June 12.
    4. Q2.1.12 was added on June 13.
    5. Q2.0.7 was added on June 15.
    6. Q2.0.8, and Q2.1.13 were added on June 16.
    7. Q2.1.1 was updated on June 17.
    8. Q2.1.14 and Q2.1.15 were added on June 17.
    9. Q2.0.9 was added on June 21.
       
   This file was last modified on June 21, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X windows to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do? [new]
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations [new]
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [new]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me! [updated]
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages [updated]
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal [updated]
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why! [updated]
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
                 [new]
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers [new]
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......" [new]
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1 [new]
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure [new]
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [new]
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
                 [new]
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, mode, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely do
   not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from them
   if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at <URL:
   ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/> <URL:
   ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X Windows to run XEmacs?

   No. XEmacs is unfortunately named in the sense that it is not an X
   Windows-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has full
   color support on a color capable terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do? [new]

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations [new]

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [new]

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/>. The canonical locations are as follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL: ftp://godzilli.cs.sunysb.edu:pub/ngf/>. v0.89c is
          current. There is a HOWTO here. XEmacs requires a fairly recent
          version to avoid using temporary files. <URL:
          ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL: ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library is distributed without version numbers. It should be
          compiled with the same options that X Windows was compiled on
          your system.
          
   NAS
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me! [updated]

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of X Windows you are running, and what window manager
       you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages [updated]

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal [updated]

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColour     black
xemacs*pointerColour    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   xemacs startup, which says Colour Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash [new]

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X Windows release. You might
   also try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background
   pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers [new]

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......" [new]

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1 [new]

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL: http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure [new]

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [new]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger [new]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <martin.buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. Thankfully, you will still get a Lisp backtrace output when
            XEmacs crashes (at least in 19.14 and above), so you'll have
            something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could try doing
            call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even after a
            fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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I'm getting the following error when I try to run "info": 

    Wrong type argument: listp, "/home/cpm/local/lib/info"

Nothing I can find in the FAQ addresses this.  I'm on a Sun SPARC 5
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Note that I have had to install emacs and accompanying files,
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courtesy unscheduled post to coincide with the release of XEmacs 19.14.

   
                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.0.4, and Q3.1.8 were updated on June 5.
    2. Q3.0.2, Q3.0.4, Q3.2.4, Q3.4.1, Q3.5.4, Q3.5.8, Q3.5.9, Q3.8.1,
       Q3.8.5, Q3.8.6, Q3.9.1, Q3.10.1, Q3.10.2, Q3.10.3, Q3.10.4 were
       updated on June 11.
    3. Q3.2.5, and Q3.10.5 were added on June 11.
       
   This file was last modified on June 11, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer? [Updated]
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Windows & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right. [Updated]
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage? [Updated]
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them [New]
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away? [Updated]
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off?
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6How can I get the column count to start at 1
                 rather than 0?
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display? [Updated]
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete? [Updated]
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain? [Updated]
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do ^x ^b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off? [Updated]
               o Q3.8.6 How do I turn off the Toolbar? [Updated]
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [Updated]
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off? [New]
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer? [Updated]

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path? [Updated]

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's always a mistake, under all circumstances, to test emacs-version
   or any similar variables, in case they are not bound, unless you do
   the above.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code? (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
                               (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           3.1 X Windows & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(if (eq (device-class) 'color)
    (progn
      (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
      (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face "Red")
      ....
      ))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) @var{characters})
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) @var{lines})

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO  .shell.       .pane        .BAR
Class:   Emacs.TopLevelShell.XmMainWindow.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell.       .pane        .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelShell.XmMainWindow.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.
	[Updated]

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default "bisque")          ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default "black")           ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")   ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font  'default "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight "blue")          ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline "blue")           ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline "white")
(set-face-font  'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch "yellow")          ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color "black")        ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color "blue")         ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage? [Updated]

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them [New]

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away? [Updated]

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn this off?

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu. in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (ie went into Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. ie. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (ie. your .emacs or a xx.el
       file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   NB: None of this stuff is probably compatible with 19.14 and its
   default colored modeline.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 How can I get the column counts to start at 1 rather than 0?

   This will be possible in XEmacs 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display? [Updated]

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

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Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete? [Updated]

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain? [Updated]

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward? [Updated]

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance =>Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do ^x ^b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank. The
   default behavior for XEmacs is to do exactly this. To get the GNU
   Emacs behavior do:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point nil)

   in your .emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)? [Updated]

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off? [Updated]

   To turn it off:
(set-specifier top-toolbar-height (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   and to turn it back on:
(remove-specifier top-toolbar-height (selected-frame))

   This doesn't work on my system. -sb.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 How do I turn off the Toolbar? [Updated]

   Select the Options -> Toolbar Appearance -> Visible option from the
   Menubar. Or use:

(set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)

   Neither this technique, nor the one in the previous question work
   correctly on my system, in either 19.13 or 19.14. -sb.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [Updated]

   To turn disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear is the value of
   scrollbar-width for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections? [Updated]

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text? [Updated]

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?
	[Updated]

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off? [Updated]

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off? [New]

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-region-stays t)

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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.0.16 was added on June 9.
    2. Q5.3.9 was updated on June 11.
       
   This file was last modified on June 11, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame?
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subseqeuent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off? [new]
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs?
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.6 Is there some way to get the behavior so that if
                 the current buffer has a file associated with it, the
                 current buffer will use that files name else use the
                 buffer name?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info. [Updated]
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. But, if you still insist, add
   the following lines to your .emacs:

(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing default-major-mode from fundamental-mode
   can break a large amount of built-in code that expects newly created
   buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing from fundamental-mode to
   auto-fill text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but changing to
   something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many Emacs
   packages).
   
   Note that Emacs defaultly starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of *scratch* be sure that this will not
   interfere with possible later insertion of the startup message (e.g.
   if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has automatic font
   lock rules, then the startup message might get fontified in a strange
   foreign manner, e.g. as code in some programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace Ctrl-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To put the current buffer into
   viper-mode, use the command: M-x viper. To make viper-mode the
   default, add the following lines to your .emacs:

(load-library "viper")
(setq term-setup-hook 'viper)
(setq find-file-hooks 'viper)
(setq find-file-not-found-hooks 'viper)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame?

   If you set the gnuserv-screen variable to the frame that should be
   used to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-screen (selected-frame))

   early on in your @file{.emacs}, to ensure that the first frame created
   is the one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subseqeuent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL: http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?
	[new]

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences between XEmacs and
	GNU Emacs?

   The real question might be rephrased as When should one use the quoted
   list, vector, or escaped string representations of key sequences? Is
   there any particular advantage to one representation over another?
   Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> writes:
   
   (meta a)
          is a convenience shorthand for the sequence [(meta a)].
          (global-set-key 'a 'foo) means the same thing as
          (global-set-key '[a] 'foo). It could be argued that allowing
          such a shorthand just leads to sloppiness and bugs, but it's
          there, and it isn't likely to go away.
          
   [(meta a)]
          is The Right Thing. It corresponds in a one-to-one way with the
          internal representation of key-sequences in keymaps.
          
   [Meta-a]
          is typical GNU Emacs 19 brain damage. As is usual, an existing,
          functional design is ignored (XEmacs) and an incompatible and
          technically worse kludge is used.
          
   "\ea"
          is compatible with Emacs 18, but suffers from ASCII Seven-Bit
          Brain Damage. I also find it harder to read. Use this if you're
          trying to write code which works in every Emacs, but be aware
          that you can not express all possible key-sequences (control-9,
          f1, etc.) using this.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd clause
	differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation (@samp{then} indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press Ctrl-C in
   the window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 Is there some way to get the behavior so that if the current
	buffer has a file associated with it, the current buffer will
	use that files name else use the buffer name?

   Just set frame-title-format from find-file-hooks. Alternatively, look
   at the answer to question 99.9.
   
   In addition, one could set modeline-format.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info. [Updated]

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below. <URL:
   ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |head +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 4 Part 6 =>

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And just to add one possible explanation: if you use threading, gnus might
hide all children messages behind the parent, and you will see less lines
than there are messages. Very handy actually.

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In article <qjohmcijkx.fsf@charles.cs.uiuc.edu> Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

> It's on the TODO list

Your two starting points could be
- tmm.el. Make sure you get the 19.31 version, I made some fixes there.
- SmartMenus by Bob Weiner (part of infodock). These have slicker user
  interface, but seem too inflexible to me. Eg I was unable to make them
  display a menu of buffers or a mode-specific menu.

Long live the Coalition of TTY [X]Emacs Users!

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In article <31CCAE4F.57@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

> Xemacs could display all the *.f files in the directory.

I get this, perhaps due to 
  (require 'complete)
that I have in my .emacs. Read the documentation in complete.el which comes
standard in the emacs distribution; if you can't find it with archie I can
mail you a copy.

For example if I type
  ~/paper/llos/*.tex [TAB]
I get
  Possible completions are:
  llos.tex                  llos.tex~                 times.tex

> listing the files according to 
> when they were last modified would be more useful.

file-complete         13-Oct-1992
     Ashwin Ram, Joe Wells, <Ram-Ashwin@cs.yale.edu>
     ~/misc/file-complete.el.Z
     Display file name completions in mod-time order.
          GNU Emacs Lisp Code Directory Apropos -- "complete.el"
"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

Emacs land: those who seek shall find.

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I often split my Xemacs into a shell 
buffer and several other buffers containing source
files and output files. Before leaving Xemacs, I 
would like to save the buffer configuration so 
I can resume work on the same files when I open 
Xemacs the next time. 

I believe the 'bookmark.el' lisp program enables 
me to do this, but after reading the documentation
of the program, I still don't understand how. 
Could someone please explain this to me? Please
email me a copy of your reply. 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
vivek@uiuc.edu			      
http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

Chris> I'm getting the following error when I try to run "info": 
Chris>     Wrong type argument: listp, "/home/cpm/local/lib/info"

Chris> Nothing I can find in the FAQ addresses this.  I'm on a Sun
Chris> SPARC 5 running Solaris.

You've messed up your installation somehow, but since you haven't
included an emacs version number (nor even whether you're running GNU
Emacs or XEmacs), it's impossible to tell exactly what's wrong.

Since you posted to comp.emacs.xemacs, I'll assume you're running
XEmacs.

Chris> Note that I have had to install emacs and accompanying files,
Chris> including info files, in a somewhat nonstandard place -- below my user
Chris> directory -- for a variety of reasons not worth going into.

The FAQ does address this, sort of.  Your best bet is to run in place,
and not install XEmacs at all.  Let's say you unload the source as:
	~/xemacs-19.14

Then, just use an alias of the form
alias xemacs=~/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs
to run it.  You do not have to do anything special to get it to run in
place.  But, you must refer to the binary by an absolute path so it
can figure out on its own where to find the rest of the files.

To get a binary capable of running out of the source tree, just
compile it, and skip the install step.

I suspect that nearly all of the beta testing is done in this fashion,
at least that is how I ran them.
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cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel) writes:

> I'm getting the following error when I try to run "info": 
> 
>     Wrong type argument: listp, "/home/cpm/local/lib/info"

Perhaps you set Info-default-directory-list to a single value instead
of a list?  Try
   (setq Info-default-directory-list '("/home/cpm/local/lib/info"))


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Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face
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>>> "Joachim.Seifert" == Joachim Seifert
>>> <Joachim.Seifert@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE> writes:

Joachim.Seifert> I completely agree with Uri that AUC-Tex *is* a very
Joachim.Seifert> useful package.

Yes.

Joachim.Seifert> Integrating it might be a good idea!

No.

One should only integrate into XEmacs thos packages that are going to be
developed and maintained by the XEmacs developers and maintainers.

If a package is developed and maintained by somebody else, then it will
be released with a frequency and ways that are different from those of
XEmacs.

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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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Subject: Re: Automatically finding C functions in c-mode
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>>> "nataliek" == Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:

nataliek> Hi Does anyone know how to automatically find C functions and
nataliek> load the file they are in?

There is etags and ESC-. as pointed out by other respondents; if you
want somethng even more sophstcated, the OO Browser does all ths and
much more, also not just for C. Look for an a compressed tar file whose
name starts wth 'oobr-2' n various XEmacs/Emacs archives.

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Re: LaTeX comment face
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>>>>> "Piercarlo" == Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> writes:

    Piercarlo> One should only integrate into XEmacs thos packages
    Piercarlo> that are going to be developed and maintained by the
    Piercarlo> XEmacs developers and maintainers.

That is definitely _not_ our criteria.  The vast majority of the
packages we integrate our not maintained by us.  The purpose of
integrating packages is to save users from having to figure out how to
do so, having to do so and having to find them in the first place.


    Piercarlo> If a package is developed and maintained by somebody
    Piercarlo> else, then it will be released with a frequency and
    Piercarlo> ways that are different from those of XEmacs.

Yes, that happens.  Not all releases are stable, either.  Many of the
major package authors at least partially coordinate their schedules
around XEmacs release schedule to help ensure that each release of
XEmacs has a stable version of the package.

On another note, the new packaging system that 19.15 will have will
allow us to provide update versions of integrated packages in between
actual releases of XEmacs.



			-Chuck

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>I completely agree with Uri that AUC-Tex *is* a very useful package.
>Integrating it might be a good idea!

I'll second this

--
"You need as many clues as you can get as to how these things work
when you're a buffoon." - D. Row

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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs syntax coloring for Fortran ! comments
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Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

> I like the syntax coloring in Fortran mode. One 
> minor flaw is that inline comments having the 
> format 
> 
> 	do igrid=1,n	! loop over grid points
> 
> are NOT recognized as comments. Only the old style of comments
> 
> c	loop over grid points
> 	do igrid=1,n
> 
> is recognized.

If you use f90-mode instead of fortran-mode, then ! style comments are
highlighted, but not the old style.  If you want to still use
fortran-mode, you could try something like the following (untested) in
your .emacs:

(require 'fortran)
(modify-syntax-entry ?! "<" fortran-mode-syntax-table)

-- 
Carey Evans <*> carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz c.evans@student.canterbury.ac.nz

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From: kyriacou@umbc.edu (Stelios Kyriacou)
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Subject: transforming outline files into kotl(hyperbole outline)???
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Hi, just out of curiosity, is there a way to trasnform a file written
in regular outline mode (using * ** etc) into kotl-mode which seems
more versatile?? Thanks, Stelios

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XEmacs 19.14 is now available.  This is a version of GNU Emacs
originally derived from Emacs version 19 from the Free Software
Foundation.

This is a major new release.  There are many new features and many bug
fixes.  Information about XEmacs is available at the XEmacs Web site
listed below.

You can get XEmacs via anonymous FTP from ftp.xemacs.org.

Log in with the user "anonymous" and "username@host" as a password (that is,
your email address.)  Execute the command "cd /pub/xemacs/".  There you will
find a number of files, only a subset of which you need.

ftp.xemacs.org is the canonical distribution point but due to the
number of services it has to provide it allows only 10 connections at
a time; you may want to get it from one of the mirror sites instead,
such as:

	ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/
	ftp.uu.net:/systems/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.sunet.se:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.cenatls.cena.dgac.fr:/pub/Emacs/xemacs/
	liasun3.epfl.ch:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.th-darmstadt.de:/pub/editors/xemacs/
	audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au:/xemacs/
	sunsite.auc.dk:/pub/emacs/xemacs/
	sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk:/gnu/xemacs/
	uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/packages/xemacs/
	ftp.technion.ac.il:/pub/unsupported/gnu/xemacs/
	thphys.irb.hr:/pub/xemacs/

It may take a few days for the files to propogate to all of the mirrors.
(Mirror sites are encouraged to automatically check ftp.xemacs.org.)

The complete list of mirror sites, the current FAQ, and several other XEmacs
related items can be found at the XEmacs World Wide Web page:

	 	 http://www.xemacs.org/



There are three types of tar files which comprise the XEmacs distribution:

 - A tar file containing a source tree, for building XEmacs from scratch;
 - A tar file containing the architecture-independent parts of a XEmacs
   installation tree (which contains only those files which are needed at
   run-time, and excludes much of the source code);
 - And several tar files containing the architecture-dependent parts of a
   XEmacs installation tree (the executables themselves.)

If you intend to build XEmacs from source, all you need is the single source
distribution tar file.

If you intend to install the precompiled binaries for a single architecture,
then you need two tar files: both the architecture-independent and the
architecture-dependent parts of the installation tree.  There will
possibly be additional binary kits added over the next week.

If you intend to install the precompiled binaries for more than one
architecture, then you need three or more tar files: the single tar file of
the architecture-independent parts of the installation tree, and the tar files
of the architecture-dependent parts for the architectures you want.

  README
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	When unpacked, the source distribution will take up about 61 megs.
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  README.executables
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	important that you read this before unpacking the executables.

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	tree.  If you intend to build XEmacs from scratch, you do not need
	this file: it contains a subset of the files included in
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	(the files are arranged as an installation tree rather than a build
	tree.)  If you intend to install the precompiled binaries, you need
	this file in addition to the binary kit(s).

  xemacs-19.14-alpha-dec-osf3.2.tar.gz
	This contains a set of ready-to-run executables for Digital Unix
	3.2D.  They should work on 3.2C systems as well.  NOTE: you need to
	get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05.tar.gz
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	you need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to
	work.  See README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.01.tar.gz
	Executables for HP9000/7xx or HP9000/8xx with HPUX 10.  NOTE: you
	need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.
	See README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-bsdi2.1.tar.gz
	Executables for BSDI 2.1.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-freebsd2.1.tar.gz
	Executables for FreeBSD 2.1.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz
	This contains a set of ready-to-run executables for SunOS 5.4,
	otherwise known as Solaris 2.4, on the Intel x86 platform.  These
	binaries should also work on Solaris 2.5.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz
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	otherwise known as Solaris 2.4, on the Intel x86 platform plus
	support for Sun's SPARCworks development environment.  These
	binaries should also work on Solaris 2.5.  If you do not own
	SPARCworks, then these binaries do not add any features that you can
	take advantage of.  NOTE: you need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
	as well for these to work.  See README.executables.
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	This set contains dynamically linked binaries for Linux 2.0 using
	the Athena widget set. NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

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	the Motif widget set. NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static.tar.gz
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	the Athena widget set.  The Motif library is statically linked.
	NOTE: you need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these
	to work.  See README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-mips-sgi-irix5.3.tar.gz
	Executables for SGI Irix 5.3.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-mips-sgi-irix6.2.tar.gz
	Executables for SGI Irix 6.2.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

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	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

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	otherwise known as Solaris 2.4, on the SPARC platform.  These
	binaries should also work on Solaris 2.5.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.

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	otherwise known as Solaris 2.4, on the SPARC platform plus support
	for Sun's SPARCworks development environment.  These binaries should
	also work on Solaris 2.5.  If you do not own SPARCworks, then these
	binaries do not add any features that you can take advantage of.
	NOTE: you need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these
	to work.  See README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3.tar.gz
	This contains a set of ready-to-run executables for SunOS 4.1.x.
	NOTE: you need to get xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these
	to work.  See README.executables.

  xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks.tar.gz
  	This set contains a set of ready-to-run executables for SunOS 4.1.x,
	plus support for Sun's SPARCworks development environment.  If you
	do not own SPARCworks, then these binaries do not add any features
	that you can take advantage of.  NOTE: you need to get
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz as well for these to work.  See
	README.executables.


The following are not available at the moment but should be in the
very near future:

  xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-static.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxaout-static.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxaout-motif-static.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxaout-motif.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-netbsd1.1.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-alpha-dec-osf4.0.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-sco3.2v5.0.0.tar.gz


Don't forget to set "binary" mode when transferring these files.  Unpack them
with some variation of the command "zcat xemacs-19.14.tar.gz | tar -pvxf -".


There is a newsgroup for discussing XEmacs.

   comp.emacs.xemacs:	    For reporting all bugs in XEmacs, including bugs
			    in the compilation and installation procedures.
			    Also for random questions and conversation about
			    using XEmacs.

There is also a mailing list, xemacs@xemacs.org.  This mailing list is
bidirectionally gatewayed with the newsgroup comp.emacs.xemacs.  To be added
or removed from this mailing list, send mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org.
(Send all administrative requests, and only administrative requests, to this
address.)

Please use the newsgroups instead of the mailing lists if at all possible; it
makes less work for us.

Do not send messages about problems with XEmacs to the GNU Emacs
newsgroups and mailing lists (help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu,
bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu, gnu.emacs.help, gnu.emacs.bug, et cetera)
unless you are sure that the problem you are reporting is a problem with
both versions of Emacs.

For information about the differences between XEmacs and GNU Emacs,
see the NEWS file included with the XEmacs distribution or check the
XEmacs WWW page.  The following is an excerpt from the NEWS file:


** Major Differences Between 19.13 and 19.14
============================================

XEmacs has a new address!  The canonical ftp site is now
ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs and the Web page is now at
http://www.xemacs.org/.  All mailing lists now have @xemacs.org
addresses.  For the time being the @cs.uiuc.edu addresses will
continue to function.

This is a major new release.  Many features have been added, as well
as many bugs fixed.  The Motif menubar has still _NOT_ been fixed for
19.14.  You should use the Lucid menubar instead.



Major user-visible changes:
---------------------------

-- Color support in TTY mode is provided.  You have to have a TTY capable
   of displaying them, such as color xterm or the console under Linux.
   If your terminal type supports colors (e.g. `xterm-color'), XEmacs
   will automatically notice this and start using color.

-- blink-cursor-mode enables a blinking text cursor.  There is a
   menubar option for this also.

-- auto-show-mode is turned on by default; this means that XEmacs
   will automatically scroll a window horizontally as necessary to
   keep point in view.

-- a file dialog box is provided and will be used whenever you
   are prompted for a filename as a result of a menubar selection.

-- XEmacs can be compiled with built-in GIF, JPEG, and PNG support.
   The GIF libraries are supplied with XEmacs; for JPEG and PNG,
   you have to obtain the appropriate libraries (this is well-
   documented).  This makes image display much easier and faster under
   W3 (the web browser) and TM (adds MIME support to VM and GNUS;
   not yet included with XEmacs but will be in 19.15).

-- XEmacs provides a really nice mode (PSGML with "Wing improvements")
   for editing HTML and other SGML documents.  It parses the document,
   and as a result it does proper indentation, can show you the context
   you're in, the allowed tags at a particular position, etc.

-- XEmacs comes standard with modes for editing Java and VRML code,
   including font-lock support.

-- GNUS 5.2 comes standard with XEmacs.

-- You can now embed colors in the modeline, with different sections
   of the modeline responding appropriately to various mouse gestures:
   For example, clicking on the "read-only" indicator toggles the
   read-only status of a buffer, and clicking on the buffer name
   cycles to the next buffer.  Pressing button3 on these areas brings
   up a popup menu of appropriate commands.

-- There is a much nicer mode for completion lists and such.
   At the minibuffer prompt, if you hit page-up or Meta-V, the completion
   buffer will be displayed (if it wasn't already), you're moved into
   it, and can move around and select filenames using the arrow keys
   and the return key.  Rather than a cursor, a filename is highlighted,
   and the arrow keys change which filename is highlighted.

-- The edit-faces subsystem has also been much improved, in somewhat
   similar ways to the completion list improvements.

-- Many improvements were made to the multi-device support.
   We now provide an auxiliary utility called "gnuattach" that
   lets you connect to an existing XEmacs process and display
   a TTY frame on the current TTY connection, and commands
   `make-frame-on-display' (with a corresponding menubar entry)
   and `make-frame-on-tty' for more easily creating frames on
   new TTY or X connections.

-- We have incorporated nearly all of the functionality of GNU Emacs
   19.30 into XEmacs.  This includes support for lazy-loaded
   byte code and documentation strings, improved paragraph filling,
   better support for margins within documents, v19 regular expression
   routines (including caching of compiled regexps), etc.

-- In accordance with GNU Emacs 19.30, the following key binding
   changes have been made:

   C-x ESC -> C-x ESC ESC
   ESC ESC -> ESC :
   ESC ESC ESC is "abort anything" (keyboard-escape-quit).

-- All major packages have been updated to their latest-released
   versions.

-- XEmacs now gracefully handles a full colormap (such as typically
   results when running Netscape).  The nearest available color
   is automatically substituted.

-- Many bug fixes to the subprocess/PTY code, ps-print, menubar
   functions, `set-text-properties', DEC Alpha support, toolbar
   resizing (the "phantom VM toolbar" bug), and lots and lots
   of other things were made.

-- The ncurses library (a replacement for curses, found especially
   under Linux) is supported, and will be automatically used
   if it can be found.

-- You can now undo in the minibuffer.

-- Surrogate minibuffers now work.  These are also sometimes referred
   to as "global" minibuffers.

-- font-lock has been merged with GNU Emacs 19.30, improved defaults
   have been added, and changes have been made to the way it is
   configured.

-- Many, many modes have menubar entries for them.

-- `recover-session' lets you recover whatever files can be recovered
   after your XEmacs process has died unexpectedly.

-- C-h k followed by a toolbar button press correctly reports
   the binding of the toolbar button.

-- `function-key-map', `key-translation-map', and `keyboard-translate-table'
   are now correctly implemented.

-- `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
   removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
   Help).

-- There is a standard menubar entry for specifying which browser
   (Netscape, W3, Mosaic, etc.) to use when dispatching URL's
   in mail, Usenet news, etc.

-- Improved native sound support under Linux.

-- Lots of other things we forgot to mention.



Significant Lisp-level changes:
-------------------------------

-- Many improvements to the E-Lisp documentation have been made;
   it should now be up-to-date and complete in nearly all cases.

-- XEmacs has extensive documentation on its internals, for
   would-be C hackers.

-- Common-Lisp support (the CL package) is now dumped standard
   into XEmacs.  No more need for (require 'cl) or anything
   like that.

-- Full support for extents and text properties over strings is
   provided.

-- The extent properties `start-open', `end-open', `start-closed',
   and `end-closed' now work correctly w.r.t. text properties.

-- The `face' property of extents and text properties can now
   be a list.

-- The `mouse-face' property from FSF GNU Emacs is now supported.
   It supersedes the `highlight' property.

-- `enriched' and `facemenu' packages from FSF GNU Emacs have been ported.

-- New functions for easier creation of dialog boxes:
   `get-dialog-box-response', `message-box', and `message-or-box'.

-- `function-min-args' and `function-max-args' allow you to determine
   the minimum and maximum allowed arguments for any type of
   function (i.e. subr, lambda expression, byte-compiled function, etc.).

-- Some C-level support for doing E-Lisp profiling is provided.
   See `start-profiling', `stop-profiling', and
   `pretty-print-profiling-info'.

-- `current-process-time' reports the user, system, and real times
   for the currently running XEmacs process.

-- `next-window', `previous-window', `next-frame', `previous-frame',
   `other-window', `get-lru-window', etc. have an extra device
   argument that allows you to restrict which devices it includes
   (normally all devices).  Some functions that incorrectly ignored
   frames on different devices (e.g. C-x 0) are fixed.

-- new functions `run-hook-with-args-until-success',
   `run-hook-with-args-until-failure'.

-- generalized facility for local vs. global hooks.  See `make-local-hook',
   `add-hook'.

-- New functions for querying the window tree: `frame-leftmost-window',
   `frame-rightmost-window', `window-first-hchild', `window-first-vchild',
   `window-next-child', `window-previous-child', and `window-parent'.

-- Epoch support works.  This gets you direct access to some X events
   and objects (e.g. properties and property-notify events).

-- The multi-device support has been majorly revamped.  There is now
   a new concept of "consoles" (devices grouped together under a
   common keyboard/mouse), console-local variables, and a generalized
   concept of device/console connection.

-- `display-buffer' synched with GNU Emacs 19.30, giving you lots of
   wondrous cruft such as
     -- unsplittable frames
     -- pop-up-frames, pop-up-frame-function
     -- special-display-buffer-names, special-display-regexps,
        special-display-function
     -- same-window-buffer-names, same-window-regexps

-- XEmacs has support for accessing DBM- and/or DB-format databases,
   provided that you have the appropriate libraries on your system.

-- There is a new font style: "strikethru" fonts.

-- New data type "weak list", which is a list with special
   garbage-collection properties, similar to weak hash tables.

-- `set-face-parent' makes one face inherit all properties from another.

-- The junky frame parameters mechanism has been revamped as
   frame properties, which a standard property-list interface.

-- Lots and lots of functions for working with property lists have
   been added.

-- New functions `push-window-configuration', `pop-window-configuration',
   `unpop-window-configuration' for maintain a stack of window
   configurations.

-- Many fixups to the glyph code; icons and mouse pointers are now
   properly merged into the glyph mechanism.

-- `set-specifier' works more sensibly, like `set-face-property'.

-- Many new specifiers for individually controlling toolbar height/width
   and visibility and text cursor visibility.

-- New face `text-cursor' controls the colors of the text cursor.

-- Many new variables for turning on debug information about the
   inner workings of XEmacs.

-- Hash tables can now compare their keys using `equal' or `eql'
   as well as `eq'.

-- Other things too numerous to mention.



Significant configuration/build changes:
----------------------------------------

-- You can disable TTY support, toolbar support, scrollbar support,
   menubar support, and/or dialog box support at configure time
   to save memory.

-- New configure option `--extra-verbose' shows the diagnostic
   output from feature testing; this should help track down
   problems with incorrect feature detection.

-- `dont-have-xmu' is now `with-xmu', with the reversed sense.
   (It defaults to `yes'.)

-- `with-mocklisp' lets you add Mocklisp support if you really
   need this.

-- `with-term' for adding TERM support for Linux users.

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From: physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: REQ: Pointers to XEMACS FAQ and Home
Date: 24 Jun 1996 04:34:20 GMT
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Markus Gutschke (gutschk@uni-muenster.de) wrote:
: Dave Astheimer <dra@inetpop.is.ge.com> writes:
: > Please post pointers to the XEMACS FAQ(s), Web page, and archive.
: > Thanks!

: #define FLAME_MODE ACTIVE

[ ... ]

: #undef  FLAME_MODE

: Seriously though, you could just have selected the Help menu in the
: upper righthand corner of the XEmacs frame.

That involves *HAVING* XEmacs. :)

Cheers,

--
______________________________________________________________________
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physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz   \/ \#/\#/\)  What opinions ?     -<:-)
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: transforming outline files into kotl(hyperbole outline)???
Date: 23 Jun 1996 22:43:48 -0600
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Easy, M-x kimport:star-outline.

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From: Charles Levert <charles@comm.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: [19.14] precompiled sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3: wrong timezone
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Hi.

I am running xemacs in the eastern time zone (EDT).  I use
display-time.  In xemacs up to 19.13, the time shown in the modeline
was ok (although display-time-24hr-format only takes effect after the
first minute update).  In 19.14, time is displayed as though I was in
the pacific time zone (PDT); I further checked this using calendar
mode (I know there is a variable to override the time zone for this
specific mode, but it's not in my .emacs).

Is this something that is set at compile time, or is xemacs able to
extract that information from SunOS?

Charles

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
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Subject: Q: pointer color in 19.14
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I have a two-stage copy mode I have written myself. To indicate what
stage I'm in a use the color of the pointer
(x-pointer-foreground-color). Well, in 19.14, it seems to me that the
color of the pointer can only be changed from .Xdefaults.

Is there a way of changing the color of the pointer from within
XEmacs-19.14. Otherwise, can I change the shape of the pointer? How?


Thanks,
	Karl

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From: raymond@es.ele.tue.nl (Raymond Nijssen)
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::: "s" == spoon  <spoon@hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au> writes:

 >> I completely agree with Uri that AUC-Tex *is* a very useful package.
 >> Integrating it might be a good idea!

 > I'll second this

me too.

-Raymond
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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14: I'm having problems on precompiled version for SunOS 4.1.3
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First of all, **THANKS** to all people who worked on it!..
..  and made the programmer's live easier!.

Now, making my story short, I have several comments on the **PRECOMPILED**
version of XEmacs 19.14 on SunOS 4.1.* (Such a prehistoric thing!)
(I remark, on the --precompiled-- version of XEmacs forsparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 
running on a Axil 320 (Sparc-20) with SunOS 4.1.4, OpenWindows X-Server
and fvwm window manager)

- Sound doesn't work, I'm not getting the usual "lauzzy" xemacs that
  I'm used to. :(   (No Boing, beep, cooockoooock after compilations...)

- It causes a core file when exiting, that is, when you run C-x C-c,
  even if you started with the `-q' option/switch. (I'v reported this to
  crashes@xemacs.org)

Remember, I have XEmacs 19.13 precompiled version running with flying
colours and sounds!!!. under the same setup.


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Subject: Xemacs-19.14 path problems
Date: 24 Jun 1996 05:10:13 -0400
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I just compiled xemacs-19.14 and installed it in the default locations
under /usr/local, but am having trouble getting it to work.  I get
messages like this if I invoke xemacs from the /usr/local/directory:

----
WARNING:
couldn't find an obvious default for load-path, doc-directory, and
data-directory, and there were no defaults specified in paths.h when XEmacs
was built.  Perhaps some directories don't exist, or the XEmacs executable,
/usr/local/bin/xemacs is in a strange place?

Without both exec-directory and load-path, XEmacs will be very broken.
Consider making a symbolic link from
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i386-unknown-netbsd to wherever the appropriate
XEmacs exec-directory directory is, and from /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc
to wherever the appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp to wherever the appropriate XEmacs lisp
library is.

Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for use as the
lock directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)
----

This is clearly bogus, as the directories all exist as they were
created by the make install.  To make matters more strange, if I run
xemacs from a different directory, it asks for the symbolic links
relative to the current working directory instead of the xemacs binary
(and I've run the xemacs binary with a full path name).  For example,
if I'm in /var/tmp, I get:

----
WARNING:
couldn't find an obvious default for load-path, doc-directory, and
data-directory, and there were no defaults specified in paths.h when XEmacs
was built.  Perhaps some directories don't exist, or the XEmacs executable,
/usr/local/bin/xemacs is in a strange place?

Without both exec-directory and load-path, XEmacs will be very broken.
Consider making a symbolic link from
/var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/i386-unknown-netbsd to wherever the appropriate
XEmacs exec-directory directory is, and from /var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc
to wherever the appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
/var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp to wherever the appropriate XEmacs lisp
library is.

Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
/var/tmp/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for use as the lock
directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)
----

Needless to say, adding the requested symbolic links does not help, as
something else seems to be going wrong here.  On the other hand, a
similarly configured xemacs 19.13 works just fine.

Any ideas or suggestion?

Thanks a lot,

David

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Subject: [Q] *Message-Log* Missing in 19.14?
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When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the startup
messages, this was done in the *Message-Log* buffer when the
"Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main menu entry was runned...

I see this missing under XEmacs 19.14



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I have in my .emacs the following: (Which worked nice with 19.13)

  (setq save-options-file 
         "~/lib/lisp/options.el")  ; Do not scramble ~/.emacs file

XEmacs 19.14 doesn't believe that.... and overwrites my ~/.emacs file.
(For my good luck, my ~/.emacs is read-only:)

Any hint?


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From: cthomp@xemacs.org
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Subject: Re: Xemacs-19.14 path problems
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:18:15 -0500
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>>>>> "David" == David Mazieres <dm@amsterdam.lcs.mit.edu> writes:

    David> I just compiled xemacs-19.14 and installed it in the
    David> default locations under /usr/local, but am having trouble
    David> getting it to work.  I get messages like this if I invoke
    David> xemacs from the /usr/local/directory:


You need to include the configure line you used.  Without that
information we have no way of diagnosing what is happening.


			-Chuck

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Subject: Re: [19.14] precompiled sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3: wrong timezone
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>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Levert <charles@comm.polymtl.ca> writes:

    Charles> I am running xemacs in the eastern time zone (EDT).  I
    Charles> use display-time.  In xemacs up to 19.13, the time shown
    Charles> in the modeline was ok (although display-time-24hr-format
    Charles> only takes effect after the first minute update).  In
    Charles> 19.14, time is displayed as though I was in the pacific
    Charles> time zone (PDT); I further checked this using calendar
    Charles> mode (I know there is a variable to override the time
    Charles> zone for this specific mode, but it's not in my .emacs).


I could swear that this used to be in the FAQ.  This has always been a
problem with the pre-built binary kits.  I have a very, very vague
feeling that we might have fixed it at some point.  It is just as
likely that we never did.  Anyone remember a better answer other than
that standard party line:  build it yourself.



			-Chuck

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Subject: Re: Q: pointer color in 19.14
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:15:05 -0500
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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

    Karl> I have a two-stage copy mode I have written myself. To
    Karl> indicate what stage I'm in a use the color of the pointer
    Karl> (x-pointer-foreground-color). Well, in 19.14, it seems to me
    Karl> that the color of the pointer can only be changed from
    Karl> .Xdefaults.

    Karl> Is there a way of changing the color of the pointer from
    Karl> within XEmacs-19.14. Otherwise, can I change the shape of
    Karl> the pointer? How?

To change the color:

	(set-face-foreground 'pointer "foo")
	(set-face-background 'pointer "baz")

The change won't take affect until you move the pointer.


There isn't a single pointer.  Do an apropos on pointer-glyph to get a
list of them.  You can then do the following (which uses
text-pointer-glyph as an example):

	(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph "/path/to/bitmap/bitmap.xbm")

You could also set a pointer to be the same as another pointer by
doing this:

	(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph (glyph-image busy-pointer-glyph))



			-Chuck

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Subject: Re: [Q] *Message-Log* Missing in 19.14?
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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

    Ricardo> When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the
    Ricardo> startup messages, this was done in the *Message-Log*
    Ricardo> buffer when the "Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main
    Ricardo> menu entry was runned...

It is no longer on the menubar but it is still available.  Either:


	M-x view-lossage
or
	C-h l


			-Chuck

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Subject: Re: [Q] "Save Options" into a different file (Not ~/.emacs)...
Date: 24 Jun 1996 08:29:37 -0500
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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

    Ricardo> I have in my .emacs the following: (Which worked nice
    Ricardo> with 19.13)

    Ricardo>   (setq save-options-file 
    Ricardo>          "~/lib/lisp/options.el")  ; Do not scramble ~/.emacs file

    Ricardo> XEmacs 19.14 doesn't believe that.... and overwrites my
    Ricardo> ~/.emacs file.  (For my good luck, my ~/.emacs is
    Ricardo> read-only:)


By default 19.14 now saves the options to a separate file and adds
code to the .emacs to load that file.  The variable
`save-options-file' is still used for the same purpose but now has a
default value of ".xemacs-options".  The variable
`save-options-init-file' determines where the init code is put.
Unfortunately, there is no way to keep it from not putting the init
code somewhere.  You can at least set it to some other file to avoid
the error when it tries to write to your read-only .emacs.



			-Chuck

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From: werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim werner)
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>From: milesd@atl.mindspring.com (Miles Daly Duke)
>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:08:05 GMT

>werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim werner) wrote:
>>The reason I am trying an alternative to shell.el is that I have grown
>>weary of it's inability to keep track of the current directory, and
>>the way that completely messes up filename-completion.

>I used to have a problem with that, but there's a variable or command
>controlling whether shell.el should try to follow cd, pushd, popd
>commands, etc.  Something like "shell-dirtrack-toggle".

I just tried turning off directory tracking, and this doesn't really
help.  The main problem with shell when it loses track of the directory
is that it breaks filename completion.  Shell.el is still trying to do
filename completion, instead of letting tcsh do it.


tw

-- 
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From: Heiko Muenkel <muenkel@daedalus.tnt.uni-hannover.de>
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ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> 
> 
> When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the startup
> messages, this was done in the *Message-Log* buffer when the
> "Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main menu entry was runned...
> 
> I see this missing under XEmacs 19.14

It's now the item "Recent Keystrokes/Messages" in the "Help" menu.


PS: Please read at first the XEmacs News. Most of the changes are described
    there.

-- 

Heiko Muenkel
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serge@envy.astro.unc.edu (Sergei Naumov) writes:

> 
> 
> Hi!
> I noticed that hm--html types &something when I type in an 8bit
> character. I want to turn this off and print the character
> "as is". How do I do it?

Put the following in your .emacs and start a new XEmacs:

(setq hm--html-bind-latin-1-char-entities nil)

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In article <qwolohdy3d6.fsf@amsterdam.lcs.mit.edu>, David Mazieres wrote:
>I just compiled xemacs-19.14 and installed it in the default locations
>under /usr/local, but am having trouble getting it to work.  I get
>messages like this if I invoke xemacs from the /usr/local/directory:
>
>----
>WARNING:
>couldn't find an obvious default for load-path, doc-directory, and
>data-directory, and there were no defaults specified in paths.h when XEmacs
>was built.  Perhaps some directories don't exist, or the XEmacs executable,
>/usr/local/bin/xemacs is in a strange place?
>
>Without both exec-directory and load-path, XEmacs will be very broken.
>Consider making a symbolic link from
>/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i386-unknown-netbsd to wherever the appropriate
>XEmacs exec-directory directory is, and from /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc
>to wherever the appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
>/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp to wherever the appropriate XEmacs lisp
>library is.
>
>Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
>/usr/local/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for use as the
>lock directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)
>----
>
>This is clearly bogus, as the directories all exist as they were
>created by the make install.  To make matters more strange, if I run
>xemacs from a different directory, it asks for the symbolic links
>relative to the current working directory instead of the xemacs binary
>(and I've run the xemacs binary with a full path name).  For example,
>if I'm in /var/tmp, I get:
>
>----
>WARNING:
>couldn't find an obvious default for load-path, doc-directory, and
>data-directory, and there were no defaults specified in paths.h when XEmacs
>was built.  Perhaps some directories don't exist, or the XEmacs executable,
>/usr/local/bin/xemacs is in a strange place?
>
>Without both exec-directory and load-path, XEmacs will be very broken.
>Consider making a symbolic link from
>/var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/i386-unknown-netbsd to wherever the appropriate
>XEmacs exec-directory directory is, and from /var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc
>to wherever the appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
>/var/tmp/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp to wherever the appropriate XEmacs lisp
>library is.
>
>Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
>/var/tmp/lib/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link for use as the lock
>directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)
>----
>
>Needless to say, adding the requested symbolic links does not help, as
>something else seems to be going wrong here.  On the other hand, a
>similarly configured xemacs 19.13 works just fine.
>
>Any ideas or suggestion?
>
>Thanks a lot,
>
>David


I have had the same thing with linux-i586 configuration, It seems that
despite the fact that I have used 

configure i586-linux

line the internal paths are i586-unknown-linux. Immediately after I have done

cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14
ln -s i586-linux i586-unknown-linux

everything works just fine. Obviously it's a minor bug in configuration
process.

----------------------------------------
Alexandre Sidorenko

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Thanks for the new release.  I've found 2 problems with it so far:

1) a minor nit:

Using the pre-built solaris-2.4 executable (on both Solaris 2.3 and 2.5),
I get the following error shortly after startup:

Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Bitmap' conversion.

The X server is OpenWindows 3.5, running on Solaris 2.5.


2) I also observed the following (much more serious) error with the 4.1.3
executable ona  4.1.3U1 system (mail already sent to crashes@xemacs.org):

/h/difrel10/xemacs-19.14/bin/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/xemacs -q

I hit ^X^C to exit right away, and I got the following coredump:

: crunchy ~ Mon 24 9:21; gdb /h/difrel10/xemacs-19.14/bin/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/
xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.15.1 (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3_U1), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, 
Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 4, Illegal instruction.
#0  0x206470 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x206470 in kill ()
#1  0x2cf14 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x386930 in chcount ()
#4  0x1cab20 in XCloseDisplay ()
#5  0xd8be0 in x_delete_device ()
#6  0x22b5c in delete_device_internal ()
#7  0x1a1fc in delete_console_internal ()
#8  0x2e284 in Fkill_emacs ()
#9  0x33348 in funcall_recording_as ()
#10 0x1003c in Fbyte_code ()
#11 0x34328 in funcall_lambda ()
#12 0x333bc in funcall_recording_as ()
#13 0x134dc in Fcall_interactively ()
#14 0x321e0 in Fcommand_execute ()
#15 0x40184 in execute_command_event ()
#16 0x407b4 in Fdispatch_event ()
#17 0x17c3c in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#18 0x30c70 in condition_case_1 ()
#19 0x17494 in command_loop_3 ()
#20 0x174cc in command_loop_2 ()
#21 0x308a0 in internal_catch ()
#22 0x176d4 in initial_command_loop ()
#23 0x2dd8c in main_1 ()
#24 0x2e194 in main ()
(gdb) q

This crash happens every time.  Same XServer as before.

Vin Shelton

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From: Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no>
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Hi.

I just installed XEmacs 19.14 (precompiled binaries for HP-UX 9.05).

The compile-goto-error (and next-error) function seems to behave
strangely.  When clicking button2 on an error message, a file
selection dialogue box pops up prompting me for the file name of the
file containing the error.

This is pretty annoying, is there a way of turning it off?

Otherwise I like the new version. I especially like the new GNUS
version and the new Makefile mode! 


- Frode.


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 Whenever I run XEmacs-19.13 or XEmacs-19.14 from within an sgi XWsh
terminal application, I loose the use of the scroll bar when I exit
XEmacs.

 Has anyone else had this problem, and is there any fix/solution?

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	Neil Buesing
	buesing@demaco1.demaco.com

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From: Robert Nader <naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au>
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Subject: Compiling 19.14 --dynamic --with-jpeg
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 00:15:13 +1000
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Hi,

I have looked around the xemacs ftp mirror site
at ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ for the:

	libjpeg from the Independent JPEG Group

required for compiling with jpeg support,
but I never found it; where exactly is it
please?


I tried to compile with the jpeg libs I had
installed on my linux box:


# v /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     root       156624 May
25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.a
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           16 May
25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6 ->
libjpeg.so.6.0.0*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       132174 May
25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0*


from

	libjpeg-6.tar.gz


but I got errors; guess I _really_ need the
ones recommended in the INSTALL for 19.14.


I'll try now without jpeg support see how we
go :)

TIA,


Cheers,

		Rob
___________________________________________________________
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hubby!"
'Dame' Edna Everedge - circa 1995
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 I've just installed the linux pre-compile binaries and when run
 I get this,

bash# xemacs
xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Segmentation fault
bash# 


    This happens for all the various linux exe's (with/without motif etc)
     any ideas?
                 Dave.
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From: andrewi@long.harlequin.co.uk (Andrew Innes)
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In article <wingDt1D1w.603@netcom.com> wing@666.com (Ben Wing) writes:
>In article <u7mtbxwuy.fsf@woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk>,
>Andrew Innes <andrewi@long.harlequin.co.uk> wrote:
>|
>
>[descriptions of lots of effort spent working around bogosities
>in Win95]
>
>I have to say, I admire your patience in trying to get all this stuff
>to work.  I beat my head against a wall for days trying to figure this
>stuff out when doing the port of Win-Emacs to Win32, and eventually
>concluded that

What can I say - I take pity on the people who have to use Win95 instead
of NT (while being very glad I don't have to myself).  If ever I have to
work on Win95 only, I'll be eternally grateful to myself that Emacs is
fairly usable on Win95!

>1) Microsoft did a piss-poor job of writing the Win32 console/pipe
>   API.  Given their previous attempts at writing API's, this doesn't
>   surprise me overly, but it does surprise me somewhat in that much
>   of the rest of the Win32 API is reasonably well thought out, and
>   for the most part it seemed that Microsoft learned from the
>   disaster that they called "OS/2 v1" and actually went out and hired
>   some people who had experience working on prior multiprocessing
>   operating systems (albeit VMS, yuck) when they designed Windows NT.
>   It appears that the console API was really added as an afterthought
>   in the push to make everything GUI-centric.

As someone else commented, it isn't so much the Win32 API itself that
has problems (although I cannot understand, for instance, why MS did not
make an anonymous pipe handle be signalled when there is data available,
as they did for console input handles) - rather it is mostly the
implementation of the API on Windows 95 that is shakey.

To be fair, all of the subprocess problems/limitations I know of are
related to running DOS programs - not too surprising given that DOS
programs can be an OS unto themselves.  I try to take the "charitable"
view that it is amazing Emacs can run interactive DOS programs at all on
Win95.

>2) Notwithstanding that, Windows NT is at least a fairly robust and
>   well-behaved operating system.  Win95, on the other hand, is a
>   nightmare to develop for -- the product of "a half-dozen smart
>   coders and a thousand monkeys", as people are wont to say.
>   Not that there was any better job they could have done considering
>   their legacy (i.e. of shooting themselves in the foot over and over
>   again in the past through horrendous design mistakes) but it's
>   still a nightmarish development environment, where logic goes
>   out the door and painstaking, head-bashing trial and error is
>   the rule.

Yup.

>   (BTW, at the place I work at now, the Win95 developers typically
>   reboot their machines every half-hour or so.  The Solaris developer
>   on the same product has had his machine running continuously
>   without reboot for the whole of the three or four weeks we've been
>   at our new building [and running the same XEmacs 19.13 process the
>   whole time, I should add :)].)

I don't have to use Win95 much, except for occasional testing and (of
course) debugging, but I am astonished at how easily the system can lock
up or crash outright when a Win32 app goes wrong.  As another poster
said, doing all the major development on NT and just testing on Win95 is
generally a much more productive approach.

Most of the (infrequent) reboots of my main NT machine are forced by
power cuts - after that, the major reason is to boot an older version of
NT for testing.  I usually leave NT Emacs running for weeks at a time as
well (at least until I fix a bug, and want to test the fixed version in
everyday use).

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From: cthomp@xemacs.org
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Subject: Re: Xemacs-19.14 path problems
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>>>>> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Sidorenko <sid@sidorenko.kiae.su> writes:

    Alexandre> I have had the same thing with linux-i586
    Alexandre> configuration, It seems that despite the fact that I
    Alexandre> have used

    Alexandre> configure i586-linux

    Alexandre> line the internal paths are
    Alexandre> i586-unknown-linux. Immediately after I have done


Ah, yes.  This was reported for the 19.14 pre-release which was too
late to fix it for the actual release.  The solution is to not specify
the configuration.  Let configure guess it itself.



			-Chuck

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Hi all,

I just got the new version of xemacs precompiled version for sparc-solaris
2.4. I installed it just as I did for 19.13. However, this version  has
some trouble sending the mail. It gives up after saying:

Wrong type argument: char-or-string-p, nil

Can you suggest a solution to this problem?

Thanks,
Rama


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From: homh@momentum.chem.queensu.ca ()
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Hi,

Could any kind soul out there please tell me where the LFD key
is in the IBM RISC machine. I have tried the two Ret keys and 
search through the user guide. Is there any special binding
command I have to do in .Xdefaults ?

Any pointer either here for email would be appreciated.

Minhhuy Ho
PS. I am running XEmacs 19.13 on AIX 4.1.1 and the particular
application is BibTeX. 

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Subject: Re: linux precompiled binaries.
Date: 24 Jun 1996 09:51:30 -0500
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>>>>> "Dave" == D Holden <phd85@cc.keele.ac.uk> writes:

    Dave> I've just installed the linux pre-compile binaries and when
    Dave> run I get this,

    Dave> bash# xemacs
    Dave> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
    Dave> Segmentation fault
    Dave> bash# 

We will be making some fully statically linked binaries available in
the next couple of days which will be a fourth solution.  From the
XEmacs FAQ:


 Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
libraries are out of date. You have the following options:

  1.  Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12). 

  2.  Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno
      with h_errno. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
      it.
  3.  Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc
      should be O.K.




			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Frode" == Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no> writes:

    Frode> The compile-goto-error (and next-error) function seems to
    Frode> behave strangely.  When clicking button2 on an error
    Frode> message, a file selection dialogue box pops up prompting me
    Frode> for the file name of the file containing the error.

    Frode> This is pretty annoying, is there a way of turning it off?

The best way would do the compile such that compile mode can find the
source file on its own.  Actually, that is the only way.  We provide a
way to force the use of a dialog box but no way to force the non-use
of one.


			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Nader <naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au> writes:

    Robert> I have looked around the xemacs ftp mirror site
    Robert> at ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ for the:

    Robert> 	libjpeg from the Independent JPEG Group

    Robert> required for compiling with jpeg support, but I never
    Robert> found it; where exactly is it please?


ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/aux

Many of the subdirectories that used to be in /pub/xemacs have been
moved up one level.  The XEmacs FAQ has a list of more or less
canonical places to get all of the various libs (all of which are
mirrored to ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/aux)



			-Chuck

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Is there an equivalent to server-temp-file-regexp for gnu-server ?

Jan

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Hi,
	I have couple of Qns:

1. When I save a mail in VM, How to make VM put the default saving file as
~/Mail/<login id> ?

2. I am unable to read mail with Emacs. When I say M-x gnus, it says "m/c name
has no news spool" probably its looking at the wrong m/c. Could anyone help me
with the configuration of gnus ? like news host and also news spool dir.. and
where to set them?

3. How to make VM in XEmacs beep/do something to inform you when U get new mail?

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan 




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In article <4qm8gn$94d@larry.rice.edu>,
Ramarao Kanneganti <rama@asia.cs.rice.edu> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I just got the new version of xemacs precompiled version for sparc-solaris
>2.4. I installed it just as I did for 19.13. However, this version  has
>some trouble sending the mail. It gives up after saying:
>
>Wrong type argument: char-or-string-p, nil
>
>Can you suggest a solution to this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>Rama
>

Don't bother guys! I figured it out. The debugging option helped me out.

Thanks,
Rama



















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From: aaron <aaron@bootes.xdb.com>
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19-14 looks nice..  a couple of issues.

i use viper and, with (viper-mode) in my .emacs file, newly
opened files usually come up in viper mode.  java files are
coming up not in viper mode.  can i fix this?

also, i use func-menu but i dont get a function menu in my
menu bar when in java mode.


-aaron

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In article <m2u3wexatt.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Weippert <q57@rsgi1.ms.ornl.gov> writes:
>
>Matthew> I have been using Xemacs on an Indigo 2 for about a week.
>Matthew> Dispite the fact that I have had it crash _every_ day that I
>Matthew> have used it, I have yet to come up with any correlation with
>Matthew> what I do and when Xemacs crashes.  I think maybe it just
>Matthew> gets tired(?)
>
[...deleted...]
>
>A backtrace from a stripped binary is not very helpful towards solving
>what went wrong, alas.
>
>It sounds like you either have a bad binary (there are known problems
>of IRIX compilers prior to 3.10.1 having optimization bugs), or bad
>hardware.  I had fairly constant crashing of XEmacs 19.13 on a 486 box
>that turned out to be solely due to bad external cache memory.
>
>Regards,
>-- 
>steve@miranova.com baur
[...sig deleted...]

If you really want to use XEmacs w/o crashing, grab the source and
do a build from scratch. SGI 'stations tend to be pretty well engineered
so I doubt if it's a hardware problem that plagues PeeCees.

I had a helluva time with XEmacs 19.13 under linux-1.3.xx; it would
just freeze up and take up all the CPU time. I recompiled w/o
optimizations under gcc-2.7.2 and it's been solid ever since.

So try compiling XEmacs first with your native compiler with
optimizations, then if that doesn't work, without. Then go to
gcc if that fails, again playing with the optimizations.

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Hi!

Although this is not the big thing, this modification if nice
for editing LaTeX2e documents, which start "\documentclass"
instead of "\documentstyle". Without this fix, xemacs starts
up in plain tex mode.

Just my 1/2 line of code ...

Greetings,
		Georg


*** tex-mode.el Mon Jun 24 18:11:37 1996
--- tex-mode.el.orig    Sat Mar 25 01:27:11 1995
***************
*** 214,221 ****
                                    (beginning-of-line)
                                    (search-forward "%" search-end t))))))
        (if (and slash (not comment))
!         (setq mode (if (or (looking-at "documentstyle")
!                            (looking-at "documentclass"))
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                             'latex-mode)
--- 214,220 ----
                                    (beginning-of-line)
                                    (search-forward "%" search-end t))))))
        (if (and slash (not comment))
!         (setq mode (if (looking-at "documentstyle")
                           (if (looking-at "documentstyle{slides}")
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                             'latex-mode)




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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 scrollbar dependency in x-mouse.el
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I've come across the following problem so far while compiling XEmacs 19.14 on
a RedHat 3.0.3 Linux box upgraded to kernel 2.0.0...

I compiled with a lot of options turned *off*:

./configure --with-scrollbars=none --with-dialogs=none --with-toolbars=no \
  --run-in-place --cflags='-m486 -O2' --dynamic --with-database=no \
  --with-socks=no --with-term=no --with-gcc --with-gnu-make

The code in xmouse.el doesn't check whether the scrollbar feature is enabled
before playing with scrollbar-pointer-glyph.  This causes an error, backtrace
and exit when starting XEmacs.

The following diff may help...

--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/x11/x-mouse.el~	Mon Jun 24 17:15:22 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/x11/x-mouse.el	Mon Jun 24 17:15:22 1996
@@ -143,9 +143,10 @@
     (set-glyph-image gc-pointer-glyph
 	  (or (x-get-resource "gcPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
 	      "watch"))
-    (set-glyph-image scrollbar-pointer-glyph
-	  (or (x-get-resource "scrollbarPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
-	      "top_left_arrow"))
+    (if (featurep 'scrollbar)
+	(set-glyph-image scrollbar-pointer-glyph
+			 (or (x-get-resource "scrollbarPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
+			     "top_left_arrow")))
     (set-glyph-image busy-pointer-glyph
 	  (or (x-get-resource "busyPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
 	      "watch"))

-- 
					-- ange -- <><

					ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com

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Subject: error in startup on xemacs14
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Just installed prebuilt xemacs14 and I get the following error upon
startup:

  Wrong type argument: stringp, nil


I renamed my .emacs so I think this is coming from some startup file
somewhere in the distribution. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Here is my setup:

  xemacs14: sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks
            pre-built binaries
        OS: Sun running solaris2.5
 directory: /opt/xemacs/[lib, bin, man]

-bob

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 scrollbar dependency in x-mouse.el
Date: 24 Jun 1996 11:34:16 -0500
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>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> writes:

    Andy> I've come across the following problem so far while
    Andy> compiling XEmacs 19.14 on a RedHat 3.0.3 Linux box upgraded
    Andy> to kernel 2.0.0...

    Andy> I compiled with a lot of options turned *off*:

    Andy> The code in xmouse.el doesn't check whether the scrollbar
    Andy> feature is enabled before playing with
    Andy> scrollbar-pointer-glyph.  This causes an error, backtrace
    Andy> and exit when starting XEmacs.


That figures.  I checked pretty much all of the feature off tests with
the exception of --with-scrollbars.  I simply forgot / ran out of
time.  Most of the rest had little bugs which had sneaked in between
when the flags were added and the release.  It guess it's no surprise
--with-scrollbars=no had one as well.  Thanks for the patch.


			-Chuck

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>>>>> "aaron" == aaron  <aaron@bootes.xdb.com> writes:

    aaron> 19-14 looks nice..  a couple of issues.  i use viper and,
    aaron> with (viper-mode) in my .emacs file, newly opened files
    aaron> usually come up in viper mode.  java files are coming up
    aaron> not in viper mode.  can i fix this?

(add-hook 'jave-mode-hook 'viper-mode)


    aaron> also, i use func-menu but i dont get a function menu in my
    aaron> menu bar when in java mode.

Are you sure the java file you are editing actually has function
definitions in it?  func-menu won't install an empty menu.


			-Chuck

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From: Bryan Oakley <oakley@healthcare.com>
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Subject: XEmacs v 20.0
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I noticed this comment in 19.14's tcl-mode:

;; Change log:
;; tcl.el,v
;; Revision 1.50  1996/03/23  05:14:50  tromey
;; (tcl-using-emacs-19): Work with XEmacs 20.0.  From Ben Wing.
                                          ^^^^

So I guess we can expect XEmacs 20.0 to be released any day now?

:-)

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: error in startup on xemacs14
Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:28:13 -0500
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>>>>> "Bob" == Bob R Gupta <bobg@toshiba.com> writes:

    Bob> Just installed prebuilt xemacs14 and I get the following
    Bob> error upon startup:

    Bob>   Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

    Bob> I renamed my .emacs so I think this is coming from some
    Bob> startup file somewhere in the distribution. Any help will be
    Bob> greatly appreciated.

I just tested that binary kit on the same system type and did not see
this problem.  Start it with both the -q and -no-site-file flags and
see if you still get the error.  If you don't then this is definitely
being caused by something in your environment and not with the binary
kit itself.



			-Chuck

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs v 20.0
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>>>>> "Bryan" == Bryan Oakley <oakley@healthcare.com> writes:

    Bryan> I noticed this comment in 19.14's tcl-mode:
    Bryan> ;; Change log:
    Bryan> ;; tcl.el,v
    Bryan> ;; Revision 1.50  1996/03/23  05:14:50  tromey
    Bryan> ;; (tcl-using-emacs-19): Work with XEmacs 20.0.  From Ben Wing.
    Bryan>                                           ^^^^

    Bryan> So I guess we can expect XEmacs 20.0 to be released any day now?
    Bryan> :-)


Hah :-)  I would estimate the chances of 20.0 being released in 1996
as right around zero.



			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
In article <m24toeyqwe.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Lorton <mlorton@buzz.eshop> writes:
    Neal> Is there a emacs/xemacs spreadsheet?

    Michael> Yes, it's called "Dismal" but it's actually pretty cool.

    Steven> Yes it is, but it's just crying out to somebody to port it to the
    Steven> flashier XEmacs graphics features. 

Whatever its graphics, this is the first time I heard about an emacs spread
sheet. Where can I get it?
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Neil J. Buesing wrote:
> 
>  Whenever I run XEmacs-19.13 or XEmacs-19.14 from within an sgi XWsh
> terminal application, I loose the use of the scroll bar when I exit
> XEmacs.
> 
>  Has anyone else had this problem, and is there any fix/solution?

Happens to me too.  I'm using IRIX 5.3.

Carl.

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From: bpm@terraweb.com (bpm)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: bug in "Tools" of default-menubar
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I have a file that I am loading similar to big-menubar.el.  In it I
have the following code:

    '("Buffers" 
      :filter buffers-menu-filter
      ["List All Buffers" list-buffers t]
      "---")
     (assoc "Tools" default-menubar)

     nil		; the partition: menus after this are flushright
    (assoc "Help" default-menubar)

When I eval, or load this file, I get the following error:

Signalling: (error "Attempt to modify read-only object")
  purecopy-menubar(["-------" nil nil])
  purecopy-menubar(("Tools" ["Grep..." grep t] ["Compile..." compile t] ...........

Seems that the ["-------" nil nil] structure is the problem.  I went
to the *scratch* buffer and evaluated the
   
     (assoc "Tools" default-menubar)

expression.  Changed all of the ["-------" nil nil] to "---" and
inserted the code into my-menubar and all is fine.  Sooo, what was
supposed to be there?  Otherwise, I LIKE IT.  Very nice.

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.

here is my entry in my .emacs.

;; *******************************************************************
;;                               SERVER
;; *******************************************************************
;; Crank up the server
(require 'gnuserv)
(server-start)

This should work!!  my paths have all been adjusted in both my PATH
var and in my .emacs to point to the proper locations for the newest
version of XEmacs.  Everything starts up fine.  I have even upgraded
gnus already.  This worked fine.  It's the gnuserv stuff it just
doesn't work.  HELP me.  I have no clue if it is a bug or if it is
something I have done wrong.  Note I have search teh info docs and
found nothing that would aid in my problem.




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I tried using perldb.el with emacs 19.30.  When I execute perldb and give the script
name and arguments, it complains about the make-shell function.  

	"Symbol's function definition is void: make-shell"

I'm using perl 4.0 pl36.

Any ideas?  Am I missing a lisp file. If so which one?


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Hi,

I have a problem which I can't solve from the xemacs help or from
the web pages.

When I start xemacs, I get the warnings below.  How can I keep them
from popping up every time I start it?

(1) (key-mapping/warning) 
	The meanings of the modifier bits Mod1 through Mod5 are determined
	by the keysyms used to control those bits.  Mod1 does NOT always
	mean Meta, although some non-ICCCM-compliant programs assume that.

(2) (key-mapping/warning) 
	The semantics of the modifier bits ModShift, ModLock, and ModControl
	are predefined.  It does not make sense to assign ModControl to any
	keysym other than Control_L or Control_R, or to assign any modifier
	bits to the "control" keysyms other than ModControl.  You can't
	turn a "control" key into a "meta" key (or vice versa) by simply
	assigning the key a different modifier bit.  You must also make that
	key generate an appropriate keysym (Control_L, Meta_L, etc).

(3) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Control_R (0xad) generates Mod2, which is nonsensical.

By the way, I agree with #3.

It might also be useful to find out what these mean in English...

Any help in this matter would be appreciated...
Please cc me on any responses?

Thanks,

Mike
----------------------------- _/ /\/\ /\/ ----------------------------
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In article <qwolohdy3d6.fsf@amsterdam.lcs.mit.edu> dm@amsterdam.lcs.mit.edu (David Mazieres) writes:

  I just compiled xemacs-19.14 and installed it in the default locations
  under /usr/local, but am having trouble getting it to work.  I get
  messages like this if I invoke xemacs from the /usr/local/directory:

I'll bet the target name you gave to configure was not
"i386-unknown-netbsd".  I ran into a similar problem since I used
"i486-linux" rather than "i486-unknown-linux".  I took the easy way out,
and modified configure as follows:

--- xemacs-19.14/configure-	Sat Jun 22 08:30:00 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/configure	Mon Jun 24 00:59:33 1996
@@ -6984,12 +6984,12 @@
 
 {
 test -n "$verbose" && \
-echo "	defining" EMACS_CONFIGURATION to be ""\"${canonical}\"""
-echo "#define" EMACS_CONFIGURATION ""\"${canonical}\""" >> confdefs.h
-DEFS="$DEFS -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION="\"${canonical}\"""
-ac_sed_defs="${ac_sed_defs}\${ac_dA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_dB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_dC}"\"${canonical}\""\${ac_dD}
-\${ac_uA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_uB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_uC}"\"${canonical}\""\${ac_uD}
-\${ac_eA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_eB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_eC}"\"${canonical}\""\${ac_eD}
+echo "	defining" EMACS_CONFIGURATION to be ""\"${internal_configuration}\"""
+echo "#define" EMACS_CONFIGURATION ""\"${internal_configuration}\""" >> confdefs.h
+DEFS="$DEFS -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION="\"${internal_configuration}\"""
+ac_sed_defs="${ac_sed_defs}\${ac_dA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_dB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_dC}"\"${internal_configuration}\""\${ac_dD}
+\${ac_uA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_uB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_uC}"\"${internal_configuration}\""\${ac_uD}
+\${ac_eA}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_eB}EMACS_CONFIGURATION\${ac_eC}"\"${internal_configuration}\""\${ac_eD}
 "
 }
 

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buesing@demaco5.demaco.com (Neil J. Buesing) writes:
>
>  Whenever I run XEmacs-19.13 or XEmacs-19.14 from within an sgi XWsh
> terminal application, I loose the use of the scroll bar when I exit
> XEmacs.
> 
>  Has anyone else had this problem, and is there any fix/solution?
> 
>  Thanks,
> 	Neil Buesing
> 	buesing@demaco1.demaco.com

 I was investigating the xwsh man pages and it is set up where visual
programs (like vi, XEmacs) disable the scrollbar and scrolling up
execution by calling the 'cvvis' escape sequence from the terminfo for
iris-ansi, then upon exiting the program 'cnorm' is called which
re-enables the scrollbar and scroll history.

 This works correctly for vi and emacs 19.22 (no-one uses emacs once
I installed XEmacs here).  However, for XEmacs the scroll-bar/history
is enabled during its execution in the xwsh and is disabled when
xemacs is exited.

 Just thought this extra information would be useful.  

 -Neil 

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>>>>> On 24 Jun 1996 09:23:33 -0400, werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim
>>>>> werner) said:

  tw> I just tried turning off directory tracking, and this doesn't
  tw> really help.  The main problem with shell when it loses track of
  tw> the directory is that it breaks filename completion.  Shell.el
  tw> is still trying to do filename completion, instead of letting
  tw> tcsh do it.

Emacs shell *always* does filename completion.  If you turn off
directory tracking, filename completion will work even less well.

I advise you to consider the fabulous shell*.el files from Simon
Marshall.  Among them is a file that tells the shell to spit out some
magic string that Emacs detects and extracts the current directory
from it.  Another is a file that lets you do completion even for
command line arguments:  You enter
    find -n TAB
and shell completes
    find -name
How's that?

hth,
kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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I have checked the various archives that I know about (Indiana and
Ohio-state) and found many tiny*.el files, but no tinylib.el, upon which
almost all the files seem to depend.  Anyone have any advice?

Thanks a lot,

        Jordan
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girish@indpsc01.serigate.philips.nl wrote:
 
:      Dear Sir,

Wow. I hope no females read this group!
 
:      We have successfully installed the architecture-independent and
:      architecture dependent files of xemacs-19.13 for
:      sunos4.1.3
: 
:      when the executable xemacs19.13
:      is run from my HOME directory, it displays
: 
:      Initialization error: X server "display no" not responding
: 
:      where display no is mmy xterminal-no.

What is the actual name of your display? is it "no" or "xterminal-no"? If
it is "no", try setting DISPLAY to "no:0.0" and see what happens.
Otherwise, try setting it to "xterminal-no:0.0". 

BTW: version 19.14 has just been released. You aren't experiencing a bug
in 19.13, but since  you are just now trying to install and run it, you
might as well grab the latest version.


-- 
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Healthcare Communications, Inc.
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From: palmieri@severi.math.mit.edu (John Palmieri)
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knew of an implementation of the kpathsearch
library in emacs.  This is a library that TeX and other programs use
to search paths for relevant files; it does things like the following:
if I have the environment variable TEXINPUTS set to 
  /user/palmieri/tex/inputs//:.:
then TeX interprets the // as meaning "look in this directory and all
of its subdirectories, recursively."  An entry like 
  a//b
means to look in the directory a and all of its subdirectories for a
path ending in b.  (There are more features, which I can't remember
right now...)

I would like emacs lisp functions that provide versions of getenv (or
of parse-colon-path) that incorporate this sort of thing, and I'd
rather not have to write them myself.

Has anyone out there already done this?

  John Palmieri
  palmieri@math.mit.edu  (send email to this address,
    not to palmieri@severi.math.mit.edu, or whatever my return address
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In article <qjohm9un6a.fsf@xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu> Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:

> I just tested that binary kit on the same system type and did not see
> this problem.  Start it with both the -q and -no-site-file flags and
> see if you still get the error.  If you don't then this is definitely
> being caused by something in your environment and not with the binary
> kit itself.

I tried both these things and even built from the source and I still get
the error message. I'm not sure how to even proceed from here.... :-(

-bob

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GS> == girish  <girish@indpsc01.serigate.philips.nl>

 GS> We have successfully installed the architecture-independent and
 GS> architecture dependent files of xemacs-19.13 for sunos4.1.3

SunOS 4.1.x has severely messed up name resolution code.  I bet you have
your shared libraries set to use DNS (i.e. "the Right Way").

Your best bet is to compile 19.14 yourself, which will let you link in the
DNS-based resolver code.

(It's not finding your X terminal because your X terminal isn't in the NIS
hosts map or in /etc/hosts.  Really.  Bleargh.)
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 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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From: robpang@cs.Stanford.EDU (Yiu Pang)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 Help
Date: 24 Jun 1996 19:10:45 GMT
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Hi,

I used the latest XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks support. However, I have
the following warning message at startup. Anybody know how to handle 
that? This does not happen when I used the XEmacs 19.13.

Thanks.

- Danny Pang
  dpang@cadence.com

(1) (sunpro/warning) XEmacs was compiled with support for Sun Developer Products,
but neither `workshop' nor `sparcworks' were found on the PATH.


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Subject: buffers-menu-format-buffer-line-function can't return nil
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It seems that the buffers-menu-format-buffer-line-function in x-menubar.el 
can't return nil in 19.14.  Is there a new (presumably better) way to *not*
show a buffer's name in the buffers menu? (I'll be really bummed if there isn't :-()

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

->----------------------------------------------------------------------
-> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
->  safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
->
-> Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

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From: vedati@PACorp.com (Krishna Vedati)
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Subject: makefile-mode in xemacs-19.14 is broken
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I started xemacs with xemacs -q command line and loaded a makefile
and tried to fontify it. I get this error allways.

	Symbol's function definition is void: makefile-space-face.

How do I get rid of this error. Please send a reply to vedati@PACorp.com.
I see a few comments under the variable makefile-space-face in make-mode.el


-- 
--krishna				    <http://www.webbuild.com/~krishna>


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From: ruben@silicon-mage.lim.com (Ruben A. Gamboa)
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Has anybody gotten lazy-lock to work in 19.14 under SunOS?  I'm using the
pre-compiled binaries right now.  Font-lock is definitely working (i.e.,
my programs are in color), but all the fontification is being done at startup
instead of lazily.  I discovered the lazy-lock-minimum-size variable (is it
really set at 25K?) but setting it to nil or zero didn't seem to have any
effect.

I'd heard rumors that lazy-lock was broken in FSFemacs 19.31.  Coincidence?

Thanks,

Ruben
-- 
Ruben A. Gamboa, Technical Fellow     | Phone: (512) 346-5464 x24
LIM International                     |   Fax: (512) 346-5386
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From: Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no>
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cthomp@xemacs.org writes:

> 
>     Frode> The compile-goto-error (and next-error) function seems to
>     Frode> behave strangely.  When clicking button2 on an error
>     Frode> message, a file selection dialogue box pops up prompting me
>     Frode> for the file name of the file containing the error.
> 
>     Frode> This is pretty annoying, is there a way of turning it off?
> 
> The best way would do the compile such that compile mode can find the
> source file on its own.  Actually, that is the only way.  We provide a
> way to force the use of a dialog box but no way to force the non-use
> of one.
> 

XEmacs should be able to find the source file on its own. In
XEmacs-19.13 the source line pops up right away when I click the error
message. (The source file is located in the current directory (i.e.,
the directory in which the file in the buffer I invoked "compile" from
resides in).

Any help appreciated....


- Frode.


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From: Mark Hortman <mhortman@millcomm.com>
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I have had this problem with Xemacs for a while.
When ever I try to go to the GDB menu in Xemacs and do something fancy
like display local variables in another frame, Xemacs says no instance 
of GDB found.  GDB works fine, but do I not have it installed quite 
right for Xemacs????

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From: sg@orby.mda.ca (simon goland)
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Hi,

I am using version 19.13 of Xemacs. When using GNUS to write a reply or
post an article, how do I set the wrap line length?

Thanks.

-- 
Simon Goland   sg@mda.ca   B-)>

\_\_\_  Without action there is no change. _/_/_/

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It would be nice if, when you start XEmacs with "-l .emacs.vm",
.emacs.vm is used by the Options menu when you save options.  I.E.,
.emacs.vm will be loaded and then saved correctly AND
.emacs.vm-options is created and saved correctly.

How does this sound?  Don't know if it would be difficult or not to
implement.  Theoretically, it should be easy...

K

P.S. Love 19.14 so far.  Only real problems have been with modifying
the menubar (Attempt to modify read only object) and gnus doesn't work
under non-nis installations (need to specify ip address instead of
newssever name).  The latter will be fixed shortly when I finish
upgrading our lab to Solaris...

-- 
J Kevin McFadden                /   http://sherman.pas.rochester.edu/~kevin
Programmer/Analyst              \   
Dept of Physics & Astronomy     /   "I must have made a wrong turn at
University of Rochester         \   Albuquerque."     - BB


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From: Dale Atems <atems@physics.wayne.edu>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 trouble with gnuserv.el
Date: 24 Jun 1996 18:16:06 -0400
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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> 
> I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.
> 
> here is my entry in my .emacs.
> 
> ;; *******************************************************************
> ;;                               SERVER
> ;; *******************************************************************
> ;; Crank up the server
> (require 'gnuserv)
> (server-start)

I haven't tried out 19.14, but under 19.13 I use (gnuserv-start).

HTH, it's a wild guess.

-- 
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atems@physics.wayne.edu		Wayne State University, Detroit, MI

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Hi,

I'm getting the following error while trying to build Xemacs 19.14 on an x86
Solaris system. Can someone help me out? I built 19.13 with no problem.

thx,

-garry

-------------------------Start Here-------------------------------

Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd lwlib; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd dynodump; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd src; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd ../lwlib; make 
cd ../dynodump; make 
gcc -g -O      -L/usr/openwin/lib  -L /usr/ccs/lib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  ` -R
/usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R /usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib
-L. -L../lwlib     -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o
callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o       cmds.o console.o
console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o
doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o
event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o   faces.o fileio.o filelock.o
filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o     general.o getloadavg.o
dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o  indent.o
inline.o insdel.o intl.o   keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o       macros.o
marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o                objects.o opaque.o
print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o   redisplay.o
redisplay-output.o regex.o         scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o
sunplay.o  specifier.o      strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o
toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
redisplay-tty.o cm.o          undo.o unexsol2.o  console-x.o device-x.o
dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o
redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o          window.o
terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o
TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o
/usr/demo/SOUND/lib/libaudio.a            -llw -lXm       -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11
-lsocket -lnsl -lkvm -lelf -lgen -ldl  -lkvm  -ltermlib         -ldbm        -lm         
ld: fatal: file /usr/openwin/lib: unknown type, unable to process using elf(3E)
libraries
ld: fatal: file /usr/dt/lib: unknown type, unable to process using elf(3E)
libraries
ld: fatal: File processing errors.  No output written to temacs
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `temacs'
Current working directory /opt/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'

-----------------------------End Here---------------------------------

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Garry Saperstein

Bitsource, Inc.                             voice: 415.919.0651
888 Villa Street                              fax: 415.919.0655
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Mountain View, CA  94041                     http://www.bitsource.com
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From: garry@viper.inow.com (garry)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem building XEmacs on x86 Solaris system
Date: 24 Jun 1996 22:38:13 GMT
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Hi,

I'm getting the following error while trying to build Xemacs 19.14 on
an x86 Solaris system. Can someone help me out? I built 19.13 with no
problem.

thx,

-garry

-------------------------Start Here-------------------------------

Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.  rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp src/paths.h is unchanged cd lib-src; make
all \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make' cd lwlib; make all \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make' cd dynodump; make all \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make' cd src; make all \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make' cd ../lwlib; make cd
../dynodump; make gcc -g -O -L/usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/ccs/lib
`./prefix-args -Xlinker ` -R /usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R
/usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib -L. -L../lwlib -o temacs abbrev.o alloc.o
blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o
casetab.o cmdloop.o cmds.o console.o console-stream.o data.o
database.o device.o dialog.o dired.o doc.o doprnt.o dynarr.o editfns.o
elhash.o emacs.o eval.o events.o event-stream.o event-unixoid.o
extents.o faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o
font-lock.o frame.o general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o
gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o hash.o indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o
keymap.o lread.o lstream.o macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o minibuf.o
objects.o opaque.o print.o process.o profile.o pure.o rangetab.o
redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o scrollbar.o search.o signal.o
sound.o sunplay.o specifier.o strftime.o symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o
toolbar.o console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o
objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o undo.o unexsol2.o console-x.o
device-x.o dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o
menubar-x.o objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o
xgccache.o xselect.o window.o terminfo.o lastfile.o gmalloc.o
vm-limit.o ralloc.o EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o
TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o /usr/demo/SOUND/lib/libaudio.a
-llw -lXm -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lkvm -lelf -lgen
-ldl -lkvm -ltermlib -ldbm -lm ld: fatal: file /usr/openwin/lib:
unknown type, unable to process using elf(3E) libraries ld: fatal:
file /usr/dt/lib: unknown type, unable to process using elf(3E)
libraries ld: fatal: File processing errors.  No output written to
temacs *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target
`temacs' Current working directory /opt/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src ***
Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'

---------------------------End Here-------------------------------


















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From: Bill Clark <bclark@pixel.cirrus.com>

Using the version of Lazy Lock supplied with 19.14, keystrokes are getting
queued up when keyrepeat is activated (e.g. holding the down arrow for a
few seconds).  When the held key is released, the queued keystrokes are
then *slowly* executed.

The normal behavior is to not queue up the keyrepeats and to stop
processing as soon as the held key is released.  This occurs when lazy-lock
is not enabled, and when using a previous version of lazy-lock that was
posted after 19.13 was released; it is labeled:

;;; lazy-lock.el --- Lazy demand-driven fontification for fast Font Lock mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Simon Marshall <simon@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
;; Keywords: faces files
;; Version: 1.14

;; LCD Archive Entry:
;; lazy-lock|Simon Marshall|simon@gnu.ai.mit.edu|
;; Lazy Font Lock mode (with fast demand-driven fontification).|
;; 13-Oct-95|1.14|~/modes/lazy-lock.el.Z|


This is also the exact same header as the version included with 19.14, but
there are many changes between the two (primarily support for the new
pre-idle-hook).

I'm running on SunOS 4.1.3, compiled with gcc, configured as

  ./configure --dynamic --with-dialogs=lucid

(also tried:
  ./configure --dynamic --with-dialogs=lucid --cflags=-O 
)

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Bill Clark writes:
 > Using the version of Lazy Lock supplied with 19.14, keystrokes are getting
 > queued up when keyrepeat is activated (e.g. holding the down arrow for a
 > few seconds).  When the held key is released, the queued keystrokes are
 > then *slowly* executed.

One more piece of information: this seems to be most prevalent when
scroll-step is set to 1 and the cursor moves past the bottom of the
screen. 



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From: Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: [19.14] trouble with -batch
Date: 25 Jun 1996 00:28:02 +0200
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I'm having trouble using -batch with 19.14 

Symptom:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
> uname -a
Linux woensel 2.0.0 #16- Fri Jun 14 00:48:14 MET DST 1996 i586

> xemacs --version
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i486-unknown-linuxelf) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on icemark

> cat foo.el
(setq lp load-path)
(while lp (insert (car lp)) (insert " ") (setq lp (cdr lp)))

> xemacs -batch bar -l foo.el -f save-buffer

> ls -l bar
ls: bar: No such file or directory

> emacs-19.30-with-x11 -batch bar -l foo.el -f save-buffer
Wrote /home/raymond/bar

> ls -l bar
-rw-r--r--   1 raymond  users          85 Jun 25 00:14 bar

> cat bar
/usr/local/ntex/elisp/auctex/ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp /usr/share/emacs/19.30/lisp > 
----------------------------------------------------------------------

An strace on xemacs shows that it attempts to open the file `-l'
suggesting that there's something wrong with the way xemacs interprets
its command line options.

Keep up the good work!

-- 
Raymond X.T. Nijssen     |    Note that  C++>C  is undefined for any value of C
                         |
Eindhoven University of Technology, Design Automation (ES) | tel. +31-402473614
EH 7.36, PO. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands   | fax. +31-402464527
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                                                               new extra digit!

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From: Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl>
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Subject: [19.14] console terminal problems
Date: 25 Jun 1996 00:36:48 +0200
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Hello,

With 19.14 motif static precompiled for linux-elf, the modeline is
sometimes wrapped on a Linux 2.0 box, terminal type = 'linux'. (slackware 3.0)

Which curses lib was used for this binary?  The curses lib was
statically linked into the executable too, so I can't experiment to
see if that causes this problem.

If it helps, I don't see this symptom on a hpux box. (also precompiled
binaries)

BTW, why aren't the precompiled binaries stripped ?  I can see no use
for debugging symbols in binary distributions, whereas it takes a lot
of space and bandwidth.

Best Regards,
-Raymond



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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: gnus :-(
X-Actually-From: "" <bpm@vlad.terraweb.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:00:10 -0500
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XEmacs 19.14, solaris 2.4, sparc20

Well, I can't believe I am saying this, but the gnus supplied with
XEmacs 19.14 is enough to make me start reading my news with netscape.

I get a error Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
when ever I try to read a group.  I'm not loading ANY
gnus-fix-anything.el file.  Standard, straight out of the box.  I
really liked the old gnus supplied with 19.13.

Questions:  1) How to get the URL to go to netscape from GNUS?  The
option flag didn't help. 2) why is the author's name selectable, but
the title of the article isn't. 3) what is the "Marker does not point
anywhere" error? 4) why does it take soooo long to load?

Help me feel better about good old trusted GNUS.

Thanks

-- 
---
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From: misha@ai.mit.edu (Mike Bolotski)
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Subject: 19.14 bug (installation error?)
Date: 24 Jun 1996 23:27:51 GMT
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I built 19.14 on a Sun.   It comes up happily, but constantly beeps
with the following message in the mode line:

Can't instantiate image (probably cached: [xbm :file
"/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/xterm"  :data <blah blah blah>




-- 
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km> == kevin mcfadden <kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu>

 km> P.S. Love 19.14 so far.  Only real problems have been with modifying
 km> the menubar (Attempt to modify read only object) and gnus doesn't
 km> work under non-nis installations (need to specify ip address instead
 km> of newssever name).  The latter will be fixed shortly when I finish
 km> upgrading our lab to Solaris...

Or, of course, you could compile it yourself for the SunOS 4 boxes.  (I
spent some time during the beta of whatever-the-heck version it was back
then making sure that if the tests showed that you'd put DNS resolver code
in the shared libc, that it would link with -lresolv...)

Unfortunately, like all site-dependent issues, that complicates the making
of binary kits of software for SunOS.  (I'm an old-fashioned compile-it-
myself-if-possible kind of guy, so it doesn't affect me.)  That's why
Netscape ships two executables for SunOS...
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I down loaded xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz and I went to unzip it with gzip 
version 1.2.4 but I keep getting the error shown below:

gzip: xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error


I've redownloaded the gz file twice from different sites and I keep getting 
the same error. Any suggestions.

Thanks,

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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: Lazy-lock in 19.14
Date: 24 Jun 1996 17:19:54 -0700
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ruben@limrag.lim.com (Ruben A. Gamboa) writes:

> Has anybody gotten lazy-lock to work in 19.14 under SunOS?  I'm using the
> pre-compiled binaries right now.  Font-lock is definitely working (i.e.,
> my programs are in color), but all the fontification is being done at startup
> instead of lazily.  I discovered the lazy-lock-minimum-size variable (is it
> really set at 25K?) but setting it to nil or zero didn't seem to have any
> effect.

     The pull-down menu pick is busted.  Try this patch (in
xemacs-19.14/lisp).

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

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===============================================================================
*** /tmp/T0a28400	Mon Jun 24 14:52:20 1996
--- x11/x-menubar.el	Mon Jun 24 12:48:36 1996
***************
*** 314,319 ****
--- 314,320 ----
  			(if font-lock-mode
  			    (progn
  			      (lazy-lock-mode 1)
+ 			      (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)
  			      (redraw-modeline)))))
  	:active font-lock-mode
  	:style toggle
***************
*** 329,334 ****
--- 330,337 ----
  			   (if font-lock-mode
  			       (progn
  				 (fast-lock-mode 1)
+ 				 (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook
+ 					   'turn-on-fast-lock)
  				 (redraw-modeline)))))
  	:active font-lock-mode
  	:style toggle

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Subject: Re: linux precompiled binaries.
Date: 24 Jun 1996 17:48:11 -0700
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>>>>> "Dave" == D Holden <phd85@cc.keele.ac.uk> writes:

Dave>  I've just installed the linux pre-compile binaries and when run
Dave>  I get this,

Dave> bash# xemacs
Dave> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Dave> Segmentation fault
Dave> bash# 

Your C libraries are too old.

>From the FAQ:
Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]        
               
   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
 
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.                                                           
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.                                                       
               

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: [HELP] LFD key in BibTeX mode
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>>>>> "Minhhuy" ==   <homh@momentum.chem.queensu.ca> writes:

Minhhuy> Hi,

Minhhuy> Could any kind soul out there please tell me where the LFD
Minhhuy> key is in the IBM RISC machine. I have tried the two Ret keys
Minhhuy> and search through the user guide. Is there any special
Minhhuy> binding command I have to do in .Xdefaults ?

Minhhuy> Any pointer either here for email would be appreciated.

LFD is really C-j (Control J), so you could try that.  Not every
keyboard has a linefeed key.

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>>>>> "Ernst" == Ernst J Taumberger <atusa02!taumberg@atusa02.aut.alcatel.at> writes:

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
Ernst> In article <m24toeyqwe.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Lorton <mlorton@buzz.eshop> writes:
Neal> Is there a emacs/xemacs spreadsheet?

Michael> Yes, it's called "Dismal" but it's actually pretty cool.

Steven> Yes it is, but it's just crying out to somebody to port it to
Steven> the flashier XEmacs graphics features.

Ernst> Whatever its graphics, this is the first time I heard about an
Ernst> emacs spread sheet. Where can I get it?

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
 
   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL: ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.


There has been another report that dismal lives at:
	/anonymous@psyc.nott.ac.uk:/pub/ritter

But that system has been unreachable when I've tried to verify it.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Compiling 19.14 --dynamic --with-jpeg
Date: 24 Jun 1996 18:04:10 -0700
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>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Nader <naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au> writes:

Robert> Hi,
Robert> I have looked around the xemacs ftp mirror site
Robert> at ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ for the:

Robert> 	libjpeg from the Independent JPEG Group

Robert> required for compiling with jpeg support,
Robert> but I never found it; where exactly is it
Robert> please?

Read the FAQ:
Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [new]                
                                                                        
   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:   
   <URL: ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/>. The canonical locations are as follows:
          
   JPEG                                                              
          <URL: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
 
   XPM                                                                   
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.

   TIFF                                                                  
          <URL: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The  
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.               
 
   PNG
          <URL: ftp://godzilli.cs.sunysb.edu:pub/ngf/>. v0.89c is        
          current. There is a HOWTO here. XEmacs requires a fairly recent
          version to avoid using temporary files. <URL:                  
          ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>.                              
 
   Compface
          <URL: ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This     
          library is distributed without version numbers. It should be
          compiled with the same options that X11 was compiled with on
          your system.                                                  
          
   NAS
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is    
          current. There is a FAQ here.                             
          
Robert> I tried to compile with the jpeg libs I had
Robert> installed on my linux box:


Robert> # v /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.*
Robert> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       156624 May
Robert> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.a
Robert> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           16 May
Robert> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6 ->
Robert> libjpeg.so.6.0.0*
Robert> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       132174 May
Robert> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0*

Robert> from

Robert> 	libjpeg-6.tar.gz

The standard location is /usr/lib.  For a non-standard location like
/usr/local/lib, you have to diddle with the --site-includes and
--site-libraries (and possibly with --site-runtime-libraries).

Add --site-includes=/usr/local/include and
--site-libraries=/usr/local/lib to your configure command line.

Robert> but I got errors; guess I _really_ need the
Robert> ones recommended in the INSTALL for 19.14.

Those are probably O.K., but for best results use Neal Becker's libgr
package which has all the right graphics libraries in one
easy-to-install bundle.  Libgr is available at:
	ftp://ftp.ctd.comsat.com:/pub/linux/ELF

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Has any one noticed that lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sparcworks/visit_file.so is
missing in 19.14? I haven't tried the one from 19.13 yet but I'm guessing
that it should work?

will

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In XEmacs 19.14, the modeline chops off the bottom of the last text line.
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XEmacs 19.14 crashes when trying to open an html file.
Says fontifying... then regex..... then crashes.
Plz try to reproduce, since I cannot cut and paste a crash dump, since
xemacs is on a diff network than this posting machine.
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cthomp@xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu writes:
 > XEmacs 19.14 is now available.  This is a version of GNU Emacs
 > originally derived from Emacs version 19 from the Free Software
 > Foundation.
 > 

[...]

Kudos to you Chuck, Ben, and all the countless others involved in
this. It's much more of a pleasure to work with than 19.13 was (which
I was already happy with!). I'm especially pleased with the pre-dumped
java font-lock and a java indentation mode that works.

Well done, hats off to you all!

		-cjw

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1) gdb-mode shows ^M at end of each line in *gdb-a.out*
2) cannot re-run a program (says Start it from the beginning? (y or n) y
then freezes...
\C-c shows it at end!
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i486-unknown-linuxelf) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on icemark

If I place this Java file in a directory:

   // PipedInputStream.java
   public class PipedInputStream {
     public PipedInputStream () throws IOException { }
   }

and then use the OO Browser (version 2.9.12) to create an environment 
parsing that directory, xemacs will freeze during parsing, and xemacs 
will begin using memory as fast as the system can dish it out.

If I remove the space before the parenthesies in line 3 or remove the 
'throws IOException' part, this problem goes away.



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>>>>> "Yiu" == Yiu Pang <robpang@cs.Stanford.EDU> writes:

    Yiu> I used the latest XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks
    Yiu> support. However, I have the following warning message at
    Yiu> startup. Anybody know how to handle that? This does not
    Yiu> happen when I used the XEmacs 19.13.

    Yiu> (1) (sunpro/warning) XEmacs was compiled with support for Sun
    Yiu>     Developer Products, but neither `workshop' nor
    Yiu>     `sparcworks' were found on the PATH.


You can safely ignore it.  Please let me know, however, if neither of
those are actually on your path.  Making sure one of them is will
eliminate the warning.  The normal installation location for them is
/opt/SUNWspro/bin.


			-Chuck

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Hi y'all,

It doesn't appear that 19.14 has build support for AIX 4.1 -- it looks
like 3.2.5 only.  Since 4.1 no longer has HFTs, rendering the 3.2.5 stuff
unbuildable, and more and more people (including us) are migrating away
from 3.2.5, this is kind of a problem.

Any ideas?



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Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: XEmacs 19.14 crashes when trying to open an html file.
: Says fontifying... then regex..... then crashes.
: Plz try to reproduce, since I cannot cut and paste a crash dump, since
: xemacs is on a diff network than this posting machine.
Sorry, I forget to mention the OS:
    Dec Unix 3.2; compiled with gcc 2.7.2

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In article <tbk9wxyr7b.fsf@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu> Jordan Samuels <samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu> writes:

>I have checked the various archives that I know about (Indiana and
>Ohio-state) and found many tiny*.el files, but no tinylib.el, upon which
>almost all the files seem to depend.  Anyone have any advice?

The source appears to be at <ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/>.  
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From: Joachim Krumnow <krumnow@srsir02.ext.sap-ag.de>
Subject: Probs w/ XEmacs 19.14 & mode-motion+
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Hi XEmacers,

I'm going crazy w/ mode-motion+ 3.15 and the new XEmacs 19.14. I've
been using mode-motion+ for several years and I really like it. I made
underline the default, so the screen was not flickering.
When I start w/ XEmacs 19.14, I had to realize that the focused text
is not only underlined, FIRST the text becomes highlighted, THEN the
highlight marking disappears and the focused text (thing ??) is
underlined. And all the time the screen is flickering. I tried some
other layouts like gray, but the effect is the same - first a
highligting is done, then the text is grayed.

If I cant find a way to avoid this, I will cancel mode-motion+ :-((

If you have any tips, please let me know.

Thanks in advance
	Achim

P.S. Please CC: your answer to me directly
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From: yuli.barcohen@telrad.co.il (Yuli Barcohen)
Subject: Re: Where is tinylib.el?
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>>>>> In article <tbk9wxyr7b.fsf@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu>,
>>>>> Jordan Samuels <samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu> writes:

> I have checked the various archives that I know about (Indiana and
> Ohio-state) and found many tiny*.el files, but no tinylib.el, upon which
> almost all the files seem to depend.  Anyone have any advice?

> Thanks a lot,

>         Jordan
> -- 
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> Kurt Rossmann Laboratories
> Department of Radiology
> University of Chicago

Check ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ - the tiny* home.
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From: David Barr <david@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Hi,

I used to invoke XEmacs 19.13 with the iconPixmap resource set to an
alternative pixmap:

xemacs -xrm "Emacs*iconPixmap:vmicon.xbm"

This no longer works in 19.14. I have tried playing around with various
glyph manipulation functions, but only got confused. 

What I am trying to do is have a different icon for the VM and GNUS
frames so that I don't confuse them with my editing frames. I keep VM
and GNUS in a different XEmacs invocation than my other work, so I don't
mind something that sets the icon pixmap for all the frames in an
invocation, but it would be nice to be able to set frame icons
individually. 

Can someone please tell me how to do this?

Thanks for your help

David Barr.

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From: axime <axime@ipf.de>
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 on AIX 3.2.5 ???
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Has anyone succeeded in compiling xemacs 19.14 for AIX 3.2.5 ?
I tried with gcc 2.7.2 and had syntax errors in frame-x.c and with
xlc yielding syntax errors in lisp.h :-(
The AIX 4.1 binaries do not work due to library incompatibilities.

I guess, a precompiled binary would widely be appreciated.

Dr. Uwe Meyer
Axime GmbH

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Subject: HowTo add the edit menu to the popup menu
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Hi XEmacsers,

I'd like to add the Undo, Copy, Cut, Paste, Clear buttons to a (every)
popup menu, i.e. to the cc-mode popup menu. Then XEmacs would look
like it did in 19.12. How can this be done? I checked the FAQ, but I
had no success. For XEmacs 19.13, I hacked the behavior in my .emacs
with

(setq-default global-popup-menu default-popup-menu)
(setq-default mode-popup-menu nil)

but this seems to break at least the compilation buffer popup
menu. I have no idea what can be done to add the edit buttons again.

Thanks in advance
	Achim

P.S. Please CC: your answer to me directly


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ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> 
> 
> When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the startup
> messages, this was done in the *Message-Log* buffer when the
> "Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main menu entry was runned...
> 
> I see this missing under XEmacs 19.14
> 

>From the NEWS file (line 1560):

-- `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
   removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
   Help).

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after installing 19.14, if i type at a shell prompt, "man gnuserv",
the nroff output is filtered through the program pointed to by $PAGER,
if i type "man gnuclient" it is not filtered, and scrolls to end in a
blink

the difference is that gnuclient.1 contains only the line

.so man1/gnuserv.1

it may be a bug with hp-ux as well (this is my suspect) but it seems
to me that with 19.13 distribution i had all man pages working right

tia
			gb

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From: daub@cs.uni-duesseldorf.de (Uwe Daub)
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In article <199606241647.SAA03028@avoi.idiap.ch>,
	thimm@idiap.ch (Georg Thimm) writes:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Although this is not the big thing, this modification if nice
> for editing LaTeX2e documents, which start "\documentclass"
> instead of "\documentstyle". Without this fix, xemacs starts
> up in plain tex mode.
> 
> Just my 1/2 line of code ...
> 
> Greetings,
> 		Georg
(Code deleted)

Hallo Georg,

if you are looking for a really good LaTeX-Mode then take a look at 
the AUC TeX Package.

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
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cthomp@xemacs.org wrote:
> 
> To change the color:
> 
>         (set-face-foreground 'pointer "foo")
>         (set-face-background 'pointer "baz")
> 
> The change won't take affect until you move the pointer.
> 

Works like a charm! Thanks!

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Building XEamcs 19.14 failed for `rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5':

        cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.  -I/busse/disk10/src/gnu/emacs/xemacs-19.14/src   -ma -qmaxmem=-1  -I/usr/include/
X11R5 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include   -I/busse/disk10/src/gnu/emacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib   -O3 sysdep.c
"/usr/include/sys/stropts.h", line 24.0: 1506-236 (W) Macro name _IO has been redefined.
"sysdep.c", line 178.16: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 178.18: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
"sysdep.c", line 178.19: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.95: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.97: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.98: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
The error code from the last failed command is 1.

Make Quitting.
The error code from the last failed command is 2.

Make Quitting.

I ran configure with the following options:

./configure\
 --site-includes="/usr/include/X11R5 /usr/local/include"\
 --site-libraries="/usr/local/lib"\
 --cflags="-O3"\
 --dynamic

..:

Configured for `rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /busse/disk10/src/gnu/emacs/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/aix3-2-5.h' and `m/ibmrs6000.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              cc -O3
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/local/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/local/lib
  Additional header files:                                /usr/include/X11R5 /usr/local/include
  Additional libraries:                                   /usr/local/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Motif dialog boxes.


Any solution to the problem?

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From: Simon.Marshall@esrin.esa.it (Simon Marshall)
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Subject: Re: Lazy-lock in 19.14
Date: 25 Jun 1996 10:52:26 +0200
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Ruben> I'd heard rumors that lazy-lock was broken in FSFemacs 19.31.
Ruben> Coincidence?

No, just wrong;-)

Emacs 19.30 and up just support lazy-lock.el version 2, that's all.

Ta, Si.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: error in startup on xemacs14
Date: 25 Jun 1996 03:46:47 -0600
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In article <wl688hhsz6.fsf@moon.toshiba.com> bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta) writes:


> I tried both these things and even built from the source and I still get
> the error message. I'm not sure how to even proceed from here.... :-(

Start it with the -debug-init (or --debug-init) option and post the backtrace.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: VM and gnus
Date: 25 Jun 1996 03:44:18 -0600
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In article <4qm9tm$21f@disclosure.fore.com> spadamat@fore.com (Sobhan  Padamati) writes:

> Could anyone help me with the configuration of gnus ? like news host and
> also news spool dir..
Have you read the manual?

> 3. How to make VM in XEmacs beep/do something to inform you when U get
> new mail? 

"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/
reportmail            21-Jul-1990
     Benjamin Pierce, <bcp@CS.CMU.EDU>
     ~/misc/reportmail.el.Z
     Report incoming main in the mode line.
(you may have it somewhere in xemacs already)

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> I'm going crazy w/ mode-motion+ 3.15 and the new XEmacs 19.14. 

I'm partly responsible for mode-motion+ (or was, as russell@gssec.bt.co.uk).

Tragically, I haven't had access to 19.14 since beta16, at which point 
mode-motion+ was still working at least as well as it was in 19.13.
I hope to remedy that situation soon, and you can rest assured that I'll
look into your problem...

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From: Bart Robinson <lomew@cs.utah.edu>
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 minor patches
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The first is so "configure" doesn't echo a "yes" in the wrong
place and make me think it thinks I'm cross compiling.  (I
configure with --verbose.)

The second is so signal_handler_t is typedef'd even when
HAVE_SIGPROCMASK isn't, as is needed in sysdep.c:2635.

-- bart

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - tear off - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

(I should probably have edited configure.in)
--- 1.1	1996/06/24 04:06:12
+++ configure	1996/06/25 00:10:18
@@ -5110,8 +5115,6 @@
 rm -f conftest*
 
 
-test -n "$silent" || echo "checking whether localtime caches TZ"
-emacs_cv_localtime_cache=
 test -n "$silent" || echo "checking whether cross-compiling"
 # If we cannot run a trivial program, we must be cross compiling.
 cat > conftest.${ac_ext} <<EOF
@@ -5126,6 +5129,8 @@
 fi
 rm -fr conftest*
 
+test -n "$silent" || echo "checking whether localtime caches TZ"
+emacs_cv_localtime_cache=
 if test -n "$cross_compiling"
 then
   # If we have tzset, assume the worst when cross-compiling.

--- 1.1	1996/06/24 05:56:16
+++ src/syssignal.h	1996/06/24 05:56:53
@@ -88,11 +88,12 @@
    the risk of someone forgetting this convention and calling
    signal() directly. */
 
+typedef SIGTYPE (*signal_handler_t) (int);
+
 #if defined (HAVE_SIGPROCMASK)
 
 /* The POSIX way (sigaction, sigprocmask, sigpending, sigsuspend) */
 
-typedef SIGTYPE (*signal_handler_t) (int);
 extern signal_handler_t sys_do_signal (int signal_number,
 				       signal_handler_t action);
 /* Provide our own version of signal(), that calls sigaction().  The

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: How to set the wrap line length in GNUS?
Date: 25 Jun 1996 04:09:13 -0600
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In article <SG.96Jun24142554@orby.mda.ca> sg@orby.mda.ca (simon goland) writes:

> When using GNUS to write a reply or
> post an article, how do I set the wrap line length?

If you want it the same in all buffers,

(setq-default fill-column 75).


If you want it different in *post-news*,

(add-hook news-reply-mode-hook
  (defun my-news-reply-mode-hook ()
    (setq fill-column 75)


To set it interactively, go to the target column and issue M-x set-fill-column
(usually bound to C-x f or C-x r). Or use a prefix: M-75 C-x f

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Startup warnings
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In article <31CEDC4B.41C6@nrc.ca> Michael New <michael.new@nrc.ca> writes:

> (3) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Control_R (0xad) generates Mod2, which
> is nonsensical. 

Are you trying to remap your control key using xmodmap? If so, the remark
above says that you should not only assign Mod2 to the key, but also change
its keysym to something else than Control_*. If not, just go
  xmodmap -e 'remove Mod2 = Control_R'
(but I can't imagine how had Mod2 ended up there without you acting).

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From: rafael@cristal.icp.grenet.fr (Rafael Laboissiere)
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Subject: hilit19 vs font-lock
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Hi Folks,

I decided to use hilit19 with XEmacs instead of font-lock-mode (mainly
because AUC-TeX has a wonderful contributed hilit-LaTeX) and am quite
happy.  As font-lock seems to be integrated in the XEmacs distribution,
I am wondering if any new improvements in the package would make me
change my mind.  Could anybody, who knows both packages in depth,
provide a comparison between them?

Thanks,


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From: Laszlo Teleki <laszlo@ipb10.ipb.uni-bonn.de>
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Hi,

first off all I would like to say to the authors thank you for this
great job!

Now to the questions:

1. In Xemacs-19.13 the highlight of a line allways adapted to the
specific font he found. This means that he changed the color
but not the font! Now Xemacs-19.14 allways changes not also the color
but the font to... I don't quite like it because Xemacs is geting
slower. 

2. Does somebody has some simple code to use the sgml-mode with
font-lock-mode for html-files? I know there is a manual but maybe
somebody can help me...


thank you for your help!

bye
Laszlo Teleki


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>>>>> "Frode" == Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no> writes:

    Frode> cthomp@xemacs.org writes:
    >>
    Frode> The compile-goto-error (and next-error) function seems to
    Frode> behave strangely.  When clicking button2 on an error
    Frode> message, a file selection dialogue box pops up prompting me
    Frode> for the file name of the file containing the error.
    >>
    Frode> This is pretty annoying, is there a way of turning it off?
    >>  The best way would do the compile such that compile mode can
    >> find the source file on its own.  Actually, that is the only
    >> way.  We provide a way to force the use of a dialog box but no
    >> way to force the non-use of one.
    >> 

    Frode> XEmacs should be able to find the source file on its
    Frode> own. In XEmacs-19.13 the source line pops up right away
    Frode> when I click the error message. (The source file is located
    Frode> in the current directory (i.e., the directory in which the
    Frode> file in the buffer I invoked "compile" from resides in).

I had the same problem. Use GNU make with flag `-w' (==
`--print-directory'), and XEmacs will be able to determine the
directory the source file is located in.

-Oliver


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I have used the  hilit-package hl319 with xemacs19.13 and it worked
just fine. However, with xemacs19.14, I get the following error-message
	Must be string, vector, or font-instance: nil
when I use  the line
	(require 'hl319)
in my .emacs file.

Any help appreciated!

As an alternative to hilit, I would love to use font-lock, but it
seems there are less 'built-in color-modes', e.g. I would like to use
'dired', 'vm', 'gnus', 'mail-mode' etc. with syntax-highlighting.  Are these
available for font-lock also?

Thanks
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Subject: XEmacs 19.13/19.14 mysterious error (load-average)
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emacs-version:

XEmacs 19.13 of Thu Sep 28 1995 on fermoy.nmrc.ucc.ie (berkeley-unix) [formerly Lucid Emacs]
and
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Tue Jun 25 1996 on krakow.nmrc.ucc.ie

Both have been compiled from source using ./configure sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 --prefix=<my home>.

(setq debug-on-signal t) in my ~/.emacs results in

Signalling: (error "could not get load-average; check permissions.")
  load-average()
  byte-code(" @U @\"O
OQ)" [load-average 0 "" format " %03d" str -2 "." nil] 6)
  display-time-function()
  display-time()
  lars-emacs()
  load-internal("/user/lhecking/lib/xemacs-19.13/Lars/lars-emacs.elc" nil nil t)
  load("/user/lhecking/lib/xemacs-19.13/Lars/lars-emacs.elc" nil nil t)
  load-file("/user/lhecking/lib/xemacs-19.13/Lars/lars-emacs.elc")
  load-internal("~/.emacs" t t t)
  load("~/.emacs" t t t)
  load-user-init-file("")
  byte-code("	!" [load-user-init-file init-file-user nil init-file-had-error] 2)
  load-init-file()
  command-line()
  normal-top-level()


Can anyone help me to trace this down? The FAQ wasn't of much help here.

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Subject: Compile problems with sparc-solaris2.5
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Compilation of XEmacs 19.14 crashes on Solaris 2.5. I get the following
error message:

ld: elf error: file ../lwlib/liblw.a: unable to locate archive symbol table=
: Request error: offset out of range 
ld: fatal: library -llw: not found
ld: fatal: File processing errors.  No output written to temacs
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/dsk2/local/DocumentTools/xemacs-19.14/s=
rc'
make: *** [src] Error 2

But if I then run ranlib on lwlib/liblw.a, I can proceed with the compilati=
on.

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I've got XEmacs 19.14 source and I'm compiling it up for Solaris 2.3. All is
going well until it gets to thefinal build stages when I get the following...

EMACSLOADPATH="/home/xemacs/src/../lisp/prim" ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
foghorn --> Output/Warnings/Errors
EMACSLOADPATH="/home/xemacs/src/../lisp/prim" ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.6: can't open file: errno=2
*** Error code 137
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs' (on host foghorn)

The documentation points to insufficient swap space but I seem to have plenty.
how much swap should I allocate to get it to build properly?

				Tony.....

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I see all the 'fkey-*' functions have vanished in 19.14

No reference in the NEWS / FAQ files about that changes...


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Hi all,

I am using Xemacs 19.14 and the version of Gnus that comes with it
(Gnus v5.2.25; nntp 4.0). I use the precompiled version for SunOs 4.1.3.

I haven't been able to start a connection with my nntpserver. It worked fine
with Xemacs 19.13 and some version of sgnus I used before (5.49 I think).

The nntp server (lets call it nntpserver) works fine with xrn and netscape 
but when I put this line in my .gnus:
(setq  gnus-select-method '(nntp "nntpserver"))
it consistently replies me:
nntp (nntpserver) open error: ''.Continue?

I haven't found any answer in the info or faqs, maybe somebody knows 
an answer...

thanks,
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>>>>> "Will" == Will Luo <Will.Luo@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

    Will> Has any one noticed that
    Will> lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sparcworks/visit_file.so is missing in
    Will> 19.14? I haven't tried the one from 19.13 yet but I'm
    Will> guessing that it should work?

It was intentionally removed by Sun.  I believe that it was only ever
needed for the first release of SPARCworks 3.0.  The dbx in that
release did not have all of the necessary functionality for connecting
to XEmacs.


			-Chuck

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From: Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: 19.14 dumping: symbol not found: main
Date: 25 Jun 1996 14:46:57 +0200
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Hello,

I'm having some troubles building 19.14 on a Solaris2.4 machine, and I
couldn't find a hint in the FAQs or READMEs on this problem.
Can you help me with this?



The dumping phase stops with 

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/usr/internet/packets/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
[....]
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so


I tried to build 19.14 with this configure line:
% ./configure --prefix=/usr/internet

Configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.4'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /usr/internet/packets/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/internet
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/sol2-4.h' and `m/sparc.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc  -g -O 
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/internet/X11R6.1/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/internet/X11R6.1/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for Berkeley DB.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: building 19.14 on AIX 4.1
Date: 25 Jun 1996 08:00:13 -0500
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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com> writes:

    Scott> It doesn't appear that 19.14 has build support for AIX 4.1
    Scott> -- it looks like 3.2.5 only.  Since 4.1 no longer has HFTs,
    Scott> rendering the 3.2.5 stuff unbuildable, and more and more
    Scott> people (including us) are migrating away from 3.2.5, this
    Scott> is kind of a problem.

There is a binary kit already available for 4.1.4 so obviously there
is build support for AIX 4.1.  I have a number of beta testers who
regularly build under 4.1.  It would help if you would post the actual
problems you are having rather than just claiming that it doesn't
work.


			-Chuck

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.13/19.14 mysterious error (load-average)
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>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Hecking <lhecking@aghada.nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:

    Lars> Both have been compiled from source using ./configure
    Lars> sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 --prefix=<my home>.

    Lars> (setq debug-on-signal t) in my ~/.emacs results in

    Lars> Signalling: (error "could not get load-average; check permissions.")


C-h f load-average

load-average: ()
  -- a built-in function.
Return list of 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute load averages.
Each of the three load averages is multiplied by 100,
then converted to integer.

If the 5-minute or 15-minute load averages are not available, return a
shortened list, containing only those averages which are available.

On most systems, this won't work unless the emacs executable is installed
as setgid kmem (assuming that /dev/kmem is in the group kmem).

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: modeline chops last text line
Date: 25 Jun 1996 07:52:11 -0500
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>>>>> "Allen" == Allen M Cohen <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> writes:

    Allen> In XEmacs 19.14, the modeline chops off the bottom of the
    Allen> last text line.  --


Just like it did in 19.13 and 19.12.  This is a feature, not a bug.
Welcome to variable height lines.  Set `pixel-vertical-clip-threshold'
to a high value to eliminate the clipping.



			-Chuck

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.3 Compilation
Date: 25 Jun 1996 08:09:31 -0500
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>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Craven <tcraven@mobile-systems.bt.co.uk> writes:

    Tony> I've got XEmacs 19.14 source and I'm compiling it up for
    Tony> Solaris 2.3. All is going well until it gets to thefinal
    Tony> build stages when I get the following...

    Tony> ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.6: can't open file: errno=2


You probably used --site-libraries to specify where to find libXpm.
On Solaris you need to use --site-runtime-libraries.



			-Chuck

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Subject: Font-locking on tty-s with 19.14
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I have compiled XEmacs 19.14 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5, but cannot get
font-locking to work on tty-s as it used to in 19.13. All the
highlighting I get is highlighting of the comments, in spite of
font-lock-maximum-decoration being set to t. I have tried running
xemacs -q, and then:
(setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t
              font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
(require 'font-lock)
 
M-x edit-faces shows that only font-lock-comment-face is defined to be
bold -- all others are simply normal.

Will I have to edit the font-lock faces manually to get the 19.13
settings? Or is there a simpler solution?

My configure flags:

--with-dialogs=motif --cflags='-O3 -msupersparc'
--site-includes=$HOME/hrv/include --site-libraries=$HOME/hrv/lib
--memory-usage-stats

Aside from that, XEmacs 19.14 is a terrific piece of software. I am
more than a bit pleasantly surprised.

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: xemacs 19.14 on AIX 3.2.5 ???
Date: 25 Jun 1996 08:01:35 -0500
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>>>>> "axime" == axime  <axime@ipf.de> writes:

    axime> Has anyone succeeded in compiling xemacs 19.14 for AIX
    axime> 3.2.5 ?  I tried with gcc 2.7.2 and had syntax errors in
    axime> frame-x.c and with xlc yielding syntax errors in lisp.h :-(
    axime> The AIX 4.1 binaries do not work due to library
    axime> incompatibilities.

Please post the exact errors.


    axime> I guess, a precompiled binary would widely be appreciated.

A 3.2.5 binary kit is now available at ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs.


			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@ludde.isy.liu.se> writes:

    Anders> Compilation of XEmacs 19.14 crashes on Solaris 2.5. I get
    Anders> the following error message:

    Anders> ld: elf error: file ../lwlib/liblw.a: unable to locate
    Anders> archive symbol table=

    Anders> But if I then run ranlib on lwlib/liblw.a, I can proceed
    Anders> with the compilati= on.


The only guesses I have is that you are either posibly using
/usr/ucb/cc, you're using all GNU tools possibly or you aren't
actually compiling on a Solaris 2.5 machine.  Running the system
ranlib cannot possibly make any difference since it is just a call to
true.  Are you sure the partition is not running out of space?


			-Chuck

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PB> == Pierre BOULET <Pierre.Boulet@prism.uvsq.fr>

 PB> I am using Xemacs 19.14 and the version of Gnus that comes with it
 PB> (Gnus v5.2.25; nntp 4.0). I use the precompiled version for SunOs 4.1.3.
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You probably use DNS to look up hosts, but the precompiled version was
compiled to use /etc/hosts and NIS only (because that's the way that
"stock" SunOS 4.1.x works).

Is it possible for you to compile XEmacs yourself?  That should fix the
problem.
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From: els@mips.arl.psu.edu (Eric L. Schott)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: nntp connection pb with Xemacs 19.14
Date: 25 Jun 1996 09:45:16 -0400
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Pierre BOULET <Pierre.Boulet@prism.uvsq.fr> writes:

> I am using Xemacs 19.14 and the version of Gnus that comes with it
> (Gnus v5.2.25; nntp 4.0). I use the precompiled version for SunOs 4.1.3.
> 
> I haven't been able to start a connection with my nntpserver. It worked fine
> with Xemacs 19.13 and some version of sgnus I used before (5.49 I think).
> 
> The nntp server (lets call it nntpserver) works fine with xrn and netscape 
> but when I put this line in my .gnus:
> (setq  gnus-select-method '(nntp "nntpserver"))
> it consistently replies me:
> nntp (nntpserver) open error: ''.Continue?

I had this problem with Xemacs 19.14, Solaris 2.4, and a variety of
versions of Gnus.  Gnus indirectly calls open-network-stream-internal
which was not compiled in the xemacs object.  The configure script
failed to define "HAVE_SOCKETS."  I manually defined HAVE_SOCKETS in
the config.h file and rebuilt the executable.  Gnus worked fine.  I
did not take the time to fix the configure script.


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From: els@mips.arl.psu.edu (Eric L. Schott)
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Subject: Expanded Ada Mode Doesn't Correctly Save Files
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After installing Xemacs 19.14, the expanded Ada mode did not correctly
save files.  The package added a hook to local-write-file-hooks.  This
hook failed to return nil to indicate the buffer was not written.  I
modified the ada-untabify-buffer procedure to return nil.

(defun ada-untabify-buffer ()
;; change all tabs to spaces
  (save-excursion
    (untabify (point-min) (point-max)))
  nil)

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: nntp connection pb with Xemacs 19.14
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:36:03 +0200
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Pierre BOULET wrote:
 
> The nntp server (lets call it nntpserver) works fine with xrn and netscape
> but when I put this line in my .gnus:
> (setq  gnus-select-method '(nntp "nntpserver"))
> it consistently replies me:
> nntp (nntpserver) open error: ''.Continue?

I have another problem that is probably related: w3 doesn't regonize 
any host. When I type
M-x w3-fetch            ...        any http url
I get the message Unable to connect to "server:port", "server" unknown.

maybe it is a dns problem?

-- 
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From: Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: [19.14] toolbar bug
Date: 25 Jun 1996 15:43:18 +0200
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Hi,

When the toolbar is along the left edge of the window, eg. by setting

Options->Toolbar Appearance->Default Location->Left,

then, particularly after VM is used, the wrong toolbar contents (namely
the VM icons) appears in the xemacs main window toolbar (not the VM
window).  However, the width of the icons corresponds with the
expected icons.

So the symptom is that I get chopped VM icons where there the default
toolbar should appear.

If it helps, if I set
Options->Toolbar Appearance->Default Location->Top
then the correct toolbar is displayed.  If it is changed back, the
wrong one appears again.


Best Regards,

-- 
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                         |
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EH 7.36, PO. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands   | fax. +31-402464527
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From: Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>
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Subject: Re: gnus :-(
Date: 25 Jun 1996 10:04:48 -0400
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bpm> == bpm  <bpm@terraweb.com>

 bpm> I get a error Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
 bpm> when ever I try to read a group.  I'm not loading ANY
 bpm> gnus-fix-anything.el file.  Standard, straight out of the box.  I
 bpm> really liked the old gnus supplied with 19.13.

Set debug-on-error to t, and try to read a group; there's no way anyone
can help you debug this without a lisp backtrace, unfortunately.

 bpm> Questions:  1) How to get the URL to go to netscape from GNUS?  The
 bpm> option flag didn't help.

The option should help; you are clicking button2 on the URL, right?

If that doesn't work, try setting browse-url-browser-function to
browse-url-netscape manually.

 bpm> 2) why is the author's name selectable, but the title of the article
 bpm>    isn't.

Change gnus-summary-line-format.  I use:
    (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%I%(%[%3L: %-14,14A%] %s%)\n")

The %( and %) delimit the area that's mouse-selectable.

 bpm> 3) what is the "Marker does not point anywhere" error?

As I said above, it's hard to tell without a backtrace.

 bpm> 4) why does it take soooo long to load?

It's doing more.  (Yes, being slower is a misfeature.)

 bpm> Help me feel better about good old trusted GNUS.

You might want to check out the gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup, which is more
specifically suited to Gnus questions.
-- 
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 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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From: William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Error while building XEmacs
Date: 25 Jun 1996 06:36:05 -0700
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garry@bitsource.com (Garry Saperstein) writes:

> I'm getting the following error while trying to build Xemacs 19.14 on an x86
> Solaris system. Can someone help me out? I built 19.13 with no problem.

> cd ../dynodump; make 
> gcc -g -O      -L/usr/openwin/lib  -L /usr/ccs/lib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  ` -R
> /usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R /usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib
> -L. -L../lwlib     -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o
> callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o       cmds.o console.o

  The problem is that some of your -L and -R lines are wrong - they
need to be strung together, like -L/usr/openwin/lib -R/usr/dt/lib,
etc.  No spaces.  Not sure why that would creep in unless you manually
did it with --cflags or --site-includes when you configured.

-Bill P.

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From: john@AtlanTech.COM (John Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Fix for 19.14 manual-entry if no scrollbars
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:32:32 +0200
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I don't use no steenking window system...

--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/man.el.orig	Fri Jun  7 02:20:26 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/man.el	Tue Jun 25 16:23:15 1996
@@ -616,8 +616,9 @@
   ;; This looks slightly better if they only
   ;; overran by a couple of chars.
   (setq truncate-lines t)
-  ;; turn off horizontal scrollbars in this buffer
-  (set-specifier scrollbar-height (cons (current-buffer) 0))
+  (if (featurep 'scrollbar)
+      ;; turn off horizontal scrollbars in this buffer
+      (set-specifier scrollbar-height (cons (current-buffer) 0)))
   (run-hooks 'Manual-mode-hook))
 
 (defun Manual-last-page ()
--
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Subject: Re: building 19.14 on AIX 4.1
To: cthomp@xemacs.org (Chuck Thompson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:34:25 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu (Xemacs List)
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>> It doesn't appear that 19.14 has build support for AIX 4.1 -- it
>> looks like 3.2.5 only.  
>
> There is a binary kit already available for 4.1.4 so obviously there
> is build support for AIX 4.1.  

How about that, there is. :)  I was running configure rs6000-ibm-aix and
didn't realize that it defaults to 3.2.5 until I looked in the configure
script itself.  Running with no machine specified detected the OS
properly.  (alternately, I could have just used rs6000-ibm-aix4.1)

Out of curiosity, I don't see all of these different machine/OS options
listed in etc/MACHINES anywhere.  Should they be documented somewhere
other than the configure script?


> It would help if you would post the actual problems you are having rather
> than just claiming that it doesn't work.

Sorry, it was late.



--
 scott evans
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 gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work

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From: john@AtlanTech.COM (John Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Another quick fix - for rmail (rmail-lucid.el)
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:45:17 +0200
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--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/rmail/rmail-lucid.el.orig	Sat Mar 25 01:32:09 1995
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/rmail/rmail-lucid.el	Tue Jun 25 16:41:02 1996
@@ -194,7 +194,8 @@
   (rmail-install-menubar)
   (define-key rmail-mode-map 'button3 'rmail-mode-menu))
 
-(add-hook 'rmail-mode-hook 'rmail-mode-menu-setup)
+(if (featurep 'menubar)
+  (add-hook 'rmail-mode-hook 'rmail-mode-menu-setup))
 
 (defun rmail-summary-mode-menu-setup ()
   (rmail-install-menubar)
@@ -212,7 +213,8 @@
   (setq mode-motion-hook 'mode-motion-highlight-line))
 
 (add-hook 'rmail-summary-mode-hook 'rmail-install-mouse-tracker)
-(add-hook 'rmail-summary-mode-hook 'rmail-summary-mode-menu-setup)
+(if (featurep 'menubar)
+  (add-hook 'rmail-summary-mode-hook 'rmail-summary-mode-menu-setup))
 
 
 (provide 'rmail-lucid)
--
John Hughes <john@AtlanTech.COM> or <JH10@CalvaCom.FR>,
	Atlantic Technologies Inc.		Tel: +33-1-43204546
	24 rue Montbrun,			Fax: +33-1-43204579
	75014 PARIS.

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From: john@AtlanTech.COM (John Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Fix for edit-face without menubar
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:56:13 +0200
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--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/edit-faces.el.orig	Wed Jun 19 00:27:35 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/edit-faces.el	Tue Jun 25 16:50:02 1996
@@ -57,11 +57,12 @@
   ;; auto-show-mode is too confusing in this mode
   (setq auto-show-mode nil)
   (setq	mode-popup-menu edit-faces-menu)
-  (if current-menubar
-      (progn
-	(set (make-local-variable 'current-menubar)
-	     (copy-sequence current-menubar))
-	(add-submenu nil edit-faces-menu))))
+  (if (featurep 'menubar)
+      (if current-menubar
+          (progn
+	    (set (make-local-variable 'current-menubar)
+	         (copy-sequence current-menubar))
+	    (add-submenu nil edit-faces-menu)))))
 
 (let ((map edit-faces-mode-map))
   (define-key map "<" 'ef-smaller)
--
John Hughes <john@AtlanTech.COM> or <JH10@CalvaCom.FR>,
	Atlantic Technologies Inc.		Tel: +33-1-43204546
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	75014 PARIS.

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From: Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 dumping: symbol not found: main
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:49:02 +0200
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>>>>> "Me" == Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se> writes:
    Me> Hello, I'm having some troubles building 19.14 on a Solaris2.4
    Me> machine, and I couldn't find a hint in the FAQs or READMEs on
    Me> this problem.  Can you help me with this?

    Me> dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
    Me> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
    Me> ../dynodump/dynodump.so

Problem was: I had GNU binutils installed, so that gcc used the GNU
ld. After removing it it worked fine....  
Klaus

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From: Greg Jumper <jumper@lens.sri.com>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: hypropos-mouse-get-doc bug in 19.14

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Mon Jun 24 1996, if
"line-number-mode" is true, then the first time "hypropos-mouse-get-doc" is
invoked (e.g., via the middle mouse button in a hyper-apropos buffer), the
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Subsequent invocations of this function work correctly.
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                                       Greg Jumper
                                       jumper@lens.sri.com

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Subject: "-iconic" still doesn't work in 19.14

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Mon Jun 24 1996, invoking
xemacs with the "-iconic" flag, while iconifying the initial Emacs frame, does
not correctly set the internal state of XEmacs to indicate that it is, in
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On the other hand, if XEmacs is invoked via "xemacs -f iconify-frame", then
deiconification works as expected; however, the initial iconification takes
place much later during startup (typically well after the rest of the window
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                                       Greg Jumper
                                       jumper@lens.sri.com

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From: Bryan Oakley <oakley@healthcare.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 trouble with gnuserv.el
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:31:08 -0600
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Mark Daku wrote:
 
:  I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.
: 
:  here is my entry in my .emacs.
: 
:  ;; *******************************************************************
:  ;;                               SERVER
:  ;; *******************************************************************
:  ;; Crank up the server
:  (require 'gnuserv)
:  (server-start)
: 
:  This should work!!  my paths have all been adjusted in both my PATH
:  var and in my .emacs to point to the proper locations for the newest
:  version of XEmacs.  Everything starts up fine.  I have even upgraded
:  gnus already.  This worked fine.  It's the gnuserv stuff it just
:  doesn't work.  HELP me.  I have no clue if it is a bug or if it is
:  something I have done wrong.  Note I have search teh info docs and
:  found nothing that would aid in my problem.

Try (gnuserve-start)

-- 
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Healthcare Communications, Inc.
oakley@healthcare.com

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 trouble with gnuserv.el
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> > I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.
> > 
> > here is my entry in my .emacs.
> > 
> > ;; *******************************************************************
> > ;;                               SERVER
> > ;; *******************************************************************
> > ;; Crank up the server
> > (require 'gnuserv)
> > (server-start)
> 
> I haven't tried out 19.14, but under 19.13 I use (gnuserv-start).
> 
> HTH, it's a wild guess.

Found it. No were in my path was the latest version of gnuserv. I found it in
the following path.
./lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv
shouldn't this be in the arch bin as well.
./bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05

It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv.  This was pure
luck that I found it. Is it documented anywere??

Also could this go in the FAQ I didn't find any reference to gnuserv in it?


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In article <TAYLOR_J.96Jun25015214@chambers.sat.mot.com>,
John Taylor <taylor_j@chambers.sat.mot.com> wrote:
:I down loaded xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz and I went to unzip it with gzip 
:version 1.2.4 but I keep getting the error shown below:
:
:gzip: xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error
:
:
:I've redownloaded the gz file twice from different sites and I keep getting 
:the same error. Any suggestions.
:
:Thanks,
:
:taylor_j@sat.mot.com
:-- 

It happened to me twice using Netscape, note that the file retrieved is only
9.2 MB instead of >11MB. I switched over to straight ftp and it worked fine.

Hope this helps,

Minhhuy Ho

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Sorry my last posting was confusing. Here's more info:

Here is the error message from compiling xemacs 19.14 on AIX 3.2.5
with cc.


       cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.
-I/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src   -
ma -qmaxmem=-1   -I/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib   -g
sysdep.c
"sysdep.c", line 178.16: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 178.18: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
"sysdep.c", line 178.19: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.95: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.97: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
"sysdep.c", line 1655.98: 1506-073 (E) Empty character constant.
The error code from the last failed command is 1.


And the error messages from gcc (2.7.2):

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="out"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="out"

Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
	rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
	chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
	cd lib-src; make all  \
			CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
	cd lwlib; make all  \
			CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
	cd dynodump; make all  \
			CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
	cd src; make all  \
			CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
	gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src     -mminimal-toc  	         	     -I/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  frame-x.c
In file included from frame-x.c:35:
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:85: parse error before `XtCreatePopupChildProc'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:85: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:101: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:101: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:106: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:106: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:107: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:137: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:137: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:139: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:139: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:191: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:191: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:193: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:193: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from /usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:195,
                 from frame-x.c:35:
/usr/local/include/X11/VendorP.h:75: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/VendorP.h:75: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/VendorP.h:78: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/VendorP.h:78: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from frame-x.c:35:
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:229: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:229: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:233: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:233: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:269: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:269: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:273: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:273: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:311: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:311: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:316: parse error before `}'
/usr/local/include/X11/ShellP.h:316: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
frame-x.c: In function `x_any_window_to_frame':
frame-x.c:132: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
frame-x.c: In function `x_get_layout_sizes':
frame-x.c:1297: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
frame-x.c: In function `x_layout_widgets':
frame-x.c:1321: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
frame-x.c: In function `xemacs_XtPopup':
frame-x.c:1546: `ShellWidget' undeclared (first use this function)
frame-x.c:1546: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
frame-x.c:1546: for each function it appears in.)
frame-x.c:1546: parse error before `shell_widget'
frame-x.c:1551: `shell_widget' undeclared (first use this function)
The error code from the last failed command is 1.

Make Quitting.
The error code from the last failed command is 2.

Make Quitting.

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After switching to 19.14 and attempting to load my .emacs file which
loads a personalized menubar by: (load "my-menubar") I get the following 
error:

Attempt to modify read-only object 


I'm able to load the big-menubar so i'm not sure what the problem is. 
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

I'm using the precompiled binaries for hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05.

thanks,

jeff

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From: uli@ai.uga.edu (Uli Bubenheimer [MSAI])
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Subject: Re: VM and gnus
Date: 25 Jun 1996 12:04:50 -0400
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> In article <4qm9tm$21f@disclosure.fore.com> spadamat@fore.com (Sobhan  Padamati) writes:
> > 3. How to make VM in XEmacs beep/do something to inform you when U get
> > new mail? 
> 
> "~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/
> reportmail            21-Jul-1990
>      Benjamin Pierce, <bcp@CS.CMU.EDU>
>      ~/misc/reportmail.el.Z
>      Report incoming main in the mode line.
> (you may have it somewhere in xemacs already)

I prefer another solution:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 30)  ;;; checks for new email every 30 seconds
(setq vm-retrieved-spooled-mail-hook '(lambda () (play-sound 'cuckoo)))
;;; informs you about new mail by a cuckoo sound

Uli


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Jeff McElroy writes:
 |After switching to 19.14 and attempting to load my .emacs file which
 |loads a personalized menubar by: (load "my-menubar") I get the following 
 |error:
 |
 |Attempt to modify read-only object 
 |
 |
 |I'm able to load the big-menubar so i'm not sure what the problem is. 
 |Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
 |

Yea, I had this problem.  I imagine that you are doing something like

	(assoc "Tools" default-menubar)

For some reason, when you do that, there is a structure formed:

	["-----" nil nil]

which is bugus and will generate the message you are getting.

Go to a *scratch* buffer and eval the (assoc "Tools" default-menubar).

You do this by entering "(assoc "Tools" default-menubar)" then type
control-j.  Take the results, edit all of the ["-----" nil nil] to be
"-----" and put it into the my-menubar.el file.
Crude, but it will get you up and running.

-- 
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Robert Nader <naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have looked around the xemacs ftp mirror site
> at ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ for the:
> 
> 	libjpeg from the Independent JPEG Group
> 
> required for compiling with jpeg support,
> but I never found it; where exactly is it
> please?
> 
> 
> I tried to compile with the jpeg libs I had
> installed on my linux box:
> 
> 
> # v /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       156624 May
> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.a
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           16 May
> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6 ->
> libjpeg.so.6.0.0*
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       132174 May
> 25 02:01 /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0*
> 
> 
> from
> 
> 	libjpeg-6.tar.gz
> 
> 
> but I got errors; guess I _really_ need the
> ones recommended in the INSTALL for 19.14.
> 
> 
> I'll try now without jpeg support see how we
> go :)
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 		Rob
> ___________________________________________________________
> "Microsoft....That reminds me of my late
> hubby!"
> 'Dame' Edna Everedge - circa 1995
> ___________________________________________________________

Hmm.  Well, I got the jpeg libraries from ftp.xemacs.org, installed it on my linux 
box, and I still got error messages when I tried to compile with jpeg support.
It works fine without jpeg support, though.

Jay


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Dispite my posting of problems and bitching about this and that.
I must say that this is by far the best editor EVER.

19.14 has made some significant strides towards making the editing
of context text (languages etc.) very easy and helpful.  With
the addition of graphics display abilities, this editor is now
the most power full editor of it's kind.

I extend my thanks to all the XEmacs team and beta testers.

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One of the features that should have gotten to 19.14 was support for
multiple frames on a single tty device. However, I do not see this
support. C-x 5 2 gives me error "Only one frame allowed on TTY
devices", whereas the info claims that:

This is from 19.14 "lispref":

   For TTY, only one frame can be displayed at a time, and it occupies
   the entire TTY display area.  However, you can still define multiple
   frames and switch between them.  Their contents are entirely separate
   from each other.  These sorts of frames resemble the "virtual console"
   capability provided under Linux or the multiple screens provided by
   the multiplexing program `screen' under Unix.

I do not see how this can be done (and I do not count on things like
gnuattach -- I would like to have more frames on *one* tty-device), as
documented.

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Mark Daku (daku@nortel.ca) wrote:
> Dispite my posting of problems and bitching about this and that.
> I must say that this is by far the best editor EVER.

I agree. This release combines the major improvements (like the best
HTML mode one can imagine) with the minor stuff that just makes the
everyday work easier (like the new disposal of help screens with 'q').

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Tue Jun 25 1996 
on oich.chemeng.ed.ac.uk

I have encountered a problem with compiling with CDE support.
When I use the default configuration (CDE support enabled) running
xemacs generates the following fatal error:
 
> Error: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm" to parent
> "xemacs-19.14.1" which supports only widgets

When I explicitly disable CDE support xemacs appears to run
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Murray

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From: Vladimir Lobak <vels@vdo.co.il>
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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz crc error
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:00:30 -0700
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John Taylor wrote:
> 
> I down loaded xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz and I went to unzip it with gzip
> version 1.2.4 but I keep getting the error shown below:
> 
> gzip: : invalid compressed data--crc error
> 
> I've redownloaded the gz file twice from different sites and I keep getting
> the same error. Any suggestions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> taylor_j@sat.mot.com
> --
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If You downloaded this file from Netscape it could be already
uncompressed. Try renaming xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz into
xemacs-19.14-common.tar and run tar tvf on it.

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Besides the problems with font-lock on tty I mentioned earlier, there
are other problems I have noticed too.  I do not understand the
heuristics XEmacs uses to determine whether a (device-class) is 'mono
or 'color on tty-s. Setting TERM to vt100 marks the device as 'mono,
and only the comments are displayed any different from ordinary text.
Setting it to screen (since I am running inder screen) marks it as
'color, and then not even comments are highlighted.

xemacs -q produces the same results.

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Subject: Link errors: 19.14 on AIX 4.1.4
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu (Xemacs List)
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When building 19.14 on AIX 4.1.4, I get the following error at link time:

:         cc -qarch=ppc   -L/usr/contrib/lib    -Wl,-bnso,-bnodelcsect,-bI:/lib/syscalls.exp,-bI:/home/gse/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/m/ibmrs6000.inp,-bI:/usr/lpp/X11/bin/smt.exp  -L. -L../lwlib   -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o  callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o  cmds.o console.o console-stream.o  data.o database.o  device.o dialog.o dired.o doc.o  doprnt.o dynarr.o  editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o   eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o extents.o  faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o  frame.o  general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o  hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o  keymap.o  lread.o lstream.o  macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o minibuf.o    objects.o opaque.o  print.o process.o profile.o pure.o  rangetab.o realpath.o redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o  scrollbar.o search.o signal.o sound.o  specifier.o  strftime.o  symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o  toolba!
r.o  console-tty.o device-tty.o ev
ent-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  undo.o unexaix.o  console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o xselect.o   window.o terminfo.o  lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o   EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm -lXpm      -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11   -li18n  -lrts -lIM -liconv -lcurses    -ldbm     -lm   
: 
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol .__quous, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol __quous, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol .__divus, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol __divus, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol .__mulh, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol __mulh, found in the global symbol table
:         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
: ld: 0711-224 WARNING: Duplicate symbol: .fork
: ld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain morld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain more information.
: make: The error code from the last command is 12.


If it helps, I'm running with the following configuration:
 
: ./configure \
:  --site-includes=/usr/contrib/include --site-libraries=/usr/contrib/lib \
:  --with-gcc=no --cflags="-qarch=ppc" --prefix=/usr/contrib/xemacs --with-xpm \
:  --with-scrollbars=lucid --with-menubars=lucid --with-dialogs=motif \
:  --rel-alloc=no
: 
: Configured for `powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0'.
: 
:   Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/gse/xemacs/xemacs-19.14
:   What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/contrib/xemacs
:   What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
:         `s/aix4-1.h' and `m/ibmrs6000.h'
:   What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              cc -qarch=ppc
:   Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
:   Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? no
:   What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
:   Additional header files:                                /usr/contrib/include
:   Additional libraries:                                   /usr/contrib/lib
:   Compiling in support for XAUTH.
:   Compiling in support for XPM.
:   Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
:   Compiling in support for DBM.
:   Using the Lucid menubar.
:   Using the Lucid scrollbar.
:   Using the Motif dialog boxes.


Does anyone have an idea what's going on with libIM.a?  I'm not even sure
where it gets referenced -- it doesn't appear to be in any of XEmacs' code.

Thanks.


--
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Subject: 19.14, linuxelf-motif-shared -- motif version dependent?
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I do not have the Motif widget libraries, but do have the Metrolink 
libXm-1.2.4 runtime Motif library that was bundled with my copy of 
Caldera's WordPerfect port to Linux.  Will this be sufficicent to run the 
precompiled motif shared library binary, or do I need to use the Athena 
widget binary?

TIA

Jon Sundquist


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>>>>> "garry" == garry  <garry@viper.inow.com> writes:

garry> `./prefix-args -Xlinker ` -R /usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R
                                                       ^
garry> /usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib -L. -L../lwlib -o temacs abbrev.o alloc.o
                     ^
garry> ld: fatal: file /usr/openwin/lib: unknown type, unable to
garry> process using elf(3E) libraries

garry> ld: fatal: file /usr/dt/lib: unknown type, unable to process
garry> using elf(3E) libraries

There should be no space between the -L flag and the directory name,
and the directories are getting interpreted as object files, which
doesn't work.

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	<w4afxsm133.fsf@loiosh.kei.com>
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> bpm> == bpm  <bpm@terraweb.com>
> 
>  bpm> I get a error Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
>  bpm> when ever I try to read a group.  I'm not loading ANY

I had this same problem with both GNUS and Hyper Apropos.  I found that it
went away when I stopped enabling line-number-mode in my .emacs.

This is new in 19.14.  line-number-mode didn't affect this in 19.13.


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From: tmurray@cup.hp.com (Tom Murray)
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Krishna Vedati (vedati@PACorp.com) wrote:
: I started xemacs with xemacs -q command line and loaded a makefile
: and tried to fontify it. I get this error allways.

: 	Symbol's function definition is void: makefile-space-face.

: How do I get rid of this error. Please send a reply to vedati@PACorp.com.
: I see a few comments under the variable makefile-space-face in make-mode.el

Be sure to turn on font-lock when entering makefile mode.  The following
in my .emacs worked for me:

(add-hook 'makefile-mode-hook    'turn-on-font-lock)

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XEmacs 19.14
SunOS 4.1.3
gcc 2.7.0 (I know, not the latest, but it's what I have installed)

Using ./configure, without any options (well, --verbose), I couldn't
compile src/buffer.c because the expansion of DEFVAR_BUFFER_LOCAL_MAGIC
was creating unusable C (the # lineno comment didn't have a newline
preceding it).

This patch solves the problem.


--- buffer.c.orig	Sun Mar 31 18:18:50 1996
+++ buffer.c	Tue Jun 25 12:34:39 1996
@@ -2466,6 +2466,5 @@
 `truncate-partial-width-windows' if that variable is non-nil
 and this buffer is not full-frame width.
-*/ ,
-			     redisplay_variable_changed);
+*/ , redisplay_variable_changed);
 
   DEFVAR_BUFFER_LOCAL ("default-directory", directory /*

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gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:

> : ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol .__quous, found in the global symbol table
> :         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
[...]
o.
> : ld: 0711-212 SEVERE ERROR: Symbol __mulh, found in the global symbol table
> :         of archive /usr/lib/libIM.a, was not defined in archive member shr.o.
> : ld: 0711-224 WARNING: Duplicate symbol: .fork
> : ld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain morld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain more information.
> : make: The error code from the last command is 12.
[...]
> Does anyone have an idea what's going on with libIM.a?  I'm not even sure
> where it gets referenced -- it doesn't appear to be in any of XEmacs' code.
> 

Reminds me something... I had this a while ago while building 19.13. I think there was 2 ways of fixing it:

	- remove -lIM from the link line (don't remember if that was
	successfull).
	- run ranlib or "ar ts" on libIM.a (requires to be root).

I think the 2nd solution worked. Don't ask me why a corrupted library
got there, though.

Richard.


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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14: I'm having problems on precompiled version for SunOS 4.1.3
Date: 25 Jun 1996 10:48:08 -0700
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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> Now, making my story short, I have several comments on the
Ricardo> **PRECOMPILED** version of XEmacs 19.14 on SunOS 4.1.* (Such
Ricardo> a prehistoric thing!)

Ricardo> - Sound doesn't work, I'm not getting the usual "lauzzy" xemacs that
Ricardo>   I'm used to. :( (No Boing, beep, cooockoooock after
Ricardo>   compilations...)

Perhaps you should consider snarfing the full source and compiling it
yourself.

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>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:

Raymond> BTW, why aren't the precompiled binaries stripped ?  I can
Raymond> see no use for debugging symbols in binary distributions,
Raymond> whereas it takes a lot of space and bandwidth.

If you think you don't need the symbols, strip them yourself.  However
if the binaries came stripped there would be no good way to put them
back.  On Linux you don't pay a RAM/virtual memory penalty as the
symbols will never get paged in until you need them.  This actually
saves bandwidth in the end because with symbols we have a prayer of
being able to interpret a coredump, and without symbols we don't.

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Subject: 19.14  timing problem on frame creation/deletion
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hpux 9.05, gcc 2.7.2
./configure --cflags="-g -O" --x-includes=/usr/include/X11R5 --x-includes=/usr/local/X11R5/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib/X11R5 --x-libraries=/usr/local/X11R5/lib --dynamic --with-gcc --with-sound=native --with-xpm

put this in a file screentest.el:

  (defun screen-test ()
    (interactive)
    (setq startup-screen (selected-screen))
    (make-frame)
    (make-frame)
    ;; (sit-for 5)		;  uncomment this to fix it
    (delete-frame startup-screen))

$ xemacs -q -l screentest.el -f screen-test

The (delete-frame) complains it would be deleting the only frame.
Adding the delay or specifying FORCE to delete-frame fixes it.

This worked fine on 19.13

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I have the problem that XEmacs 19.14 does not recognize the function
keys sequence of vt420 terminal when I run under screen. When i set
TERM to vt100, it knows that \e[12~ is f2 (I guess it reads it from
vt100.el, which loads from lk201.el), but when setting TERM to screen,
pressing f2 yields "M-[ not defined" error. When I define manually
(define-key function-key-map "\e[12~" [f2]), everything works fine.

Since XEmacs 19.13 handled these things correctly, my guess is that
19.14 does not analyze the screen terminfo entry/TERMCAP variable
(wherever the function keys are coded) correctly.

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>>>>> "David" == David Barr <david@en3501.oren.co.il> writes:

David> What I am trying to do is have a different icon for the VM and
David> GNUS frames so that I don't confuse them with my editing
David> frames. I keep VM and GNUS in a different XEmacs invocation
David> than my other work, so I don't mind something that sets the
David> icon pixmap for all the frames in an invocation, but it would
David> be nice to be able to set frame icons individually.

Take a look at the code in utils/live-icon.el

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HN> == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>

 HN> Besides the problems with font-lock on tty I mentioned earlier, there
 HN> are other problems I have noticed too.  I do not understand the
 HN> heuristics XEmacs uses to determine whether a (device-class) is 'mono
 HN> or 'color on tty-s. Setting TERM to vt100 marks the device as 'mono,
 HN> and only the comments are displayed any different from ordinary text.
 HN> Setting it to screen (since I am running inder screen) marks it as
 HN> 'color, and then not even comments are highlighted.

The heuristics are not perfect.  I did a UTSL, and in redisplay-tty.c:

    /* check for ANSI set-foreground and set-background strings,
       and assume color if so.

       #### we should support the other (non-ANSI) ways of specifying
       color, too. */
    char foobuf[500];
    char *fooptr = foobuf;
    if (tgetstr ("AB", &fooptr) && tgetstr ("AF", &fooptr))
      DEVICE_CLASS (d) = Qcolor;
    else
      DEVICE_CLASS (d) = Qmono;

So it would seem that on your system, the vt100 termcap entry doesn't have
those parameters, while the screen entry does.

You can manually set the device-class, btw, with set-device-class.

As for making the faces more visually distinct, you can set the faces up
such that they are bold, underlined, inverse (etc) on ttys; try M-x
edit-faces sometime.
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From: David Hinz <dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com>
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I'm running 19.14 on DEC UNIX 3.2c and I've encountered the following
bug:

If you have a file checked from RCS and make changes in Xemacs then try
and use the VC pulldown and checkin the file you will get a window
asking if you want to revert the changes to the file. If you select
cancel or no then file is reverted anyway and you lose your changes.
This only seems to happen if the file was checked out before entering
Xemacs. The second time I tried, after using the VC pulldown to checkout
the file, the correct window came up asking for the RCS log message to
add.

Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

dave.
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In article <wl688hhsz6.fsf@moon.toshiba.com> bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta) writes:

>From: bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta)
>Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:01:17 GMT
>Organization: toshiba
>
>In article <qjohm9un6a.fsf@xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu> Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
>
>> I just tested that binary kit on the same system type and did not see
>> this problem.  Start it with both the -q and -no-site-file flags and
>> see if you still get the error.  If you don't then this is definitely
>> being caused by something in your environment and not with the binary
>> kit itself.
>
>I tried both these things and even built from the source and I still get
>the error message. I'm not sure how to even proceed from here.... :-(
>
>-bob
I'm having the same problem.

					Rick


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I an trying to get TM and mime-compose to work together within
Xemacs-19.14 and have run into a couple of problems.  When I compose a
mime message with mime-compose TM does not recognize it as a valid
mime message.  If I compose the message with TM everything works well,
the problem here is that I like to be able to compose a message that
includes an xwd taken immediately (as mime-compose does it.)  From
what I read in the TM documentation it sounded like the two would work
together, has anyone gotten them to do so?

I also get an error when tm-edit tries to split a long message into
smaller pieces.  The message has to do with a void pointer.  Any help
here would also be appreciated.

thanks,

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bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta) writes:

> Just installed prebuilt xemacs14 and I get the following error upon
> startup:
> 
>   Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
> 
> 
> I renamed my .emacs so I think this is coming from some startup file
> somewhere in the distribution. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Here is my setup:
> 
>   xemacs14: sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks
>             pre-built binaries
>         OS: Sun running solaris2.5
>  directory: /opt/xemacs/[lib, bin, man]
> 
> -bob

I'm a step closer to finding the answer. If I build from source withouth
sparcworks, I don't get the error. I don't know why since I can use
sparcworks on V13 with no problem.

-bob

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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: book on Xemacs?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:39:27 -0500
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Xemacs has a good manual and faq online, but is there a book?
I have "Learning GNU Emacs" by Debra Cameron and Bill Rosenblatt, 
but that is 1991 and Emacs, not Xemacs. 

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

When calling report-emacs-bug it attempts to use the value of
	system-configuration-options
which is NOT defined anywhere.

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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Xemacs reference card
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There is a cool reference card for GNU Emacs version 19. 
Most but not all of the information is applicable to 
Xemacs. Is there an Xemacs reference card, or a plan to 
make one? Thanks. 
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From: bpm@terraweb.com (bpm)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: gnus & markers :-(
Reply-To: bpm@techapp.com
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Well I've done some hair pulling and the guys - gals at gnus debug
have done a great job in helping me so far, BUT:

I set the debug-on-error to t, load gnus and THE ONLY THING IN THE
BACKTRACE (sorry for the yelling) is

	Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")

Ok, I try to mark/highlight the above message in the *Backtrace*
window, and I get the message:

"button2up button1 not defined"

What???

I looked at the gnus source for this funny error & could not fine
anything.  Did a grep of the sources, and found this function in 
xemacs-19.14/src/marker.c: (nice comment)

Bytind
bi_marker_position (Lisp_Object marker)
{
  struct Lisp_Marker *m = XMARKER (marker);
  struct buffer *buf = m->buffer;
  Bytind pos;

  if (!buf)
    error ("Marker does not point anywhere");

  /* FSF claims that marker indices could end up denormalized, i.e.
     in the gap.  This is way bogus if it ever happens, and means
     something fucked up elsewhere.  Since I've overhauled all this
     shit, I don't think this can happen.  In any case, the following
     macro has an assert() in it that will catch these denormalized
     positions. */
  pos = memind_to_bytind (buf, m->memind);

  if (pos < BI_BUF_BEG (buf) || pos > BI_BUF_Z (buf))
    abort ();

  return pos;
}


Guess what guys, it happens.  What does this mean?  I got the sources
and compiled it with these options:

configure --with-sound=native --with-gcc --prefix=/opt/xemacs
          --with-xface=yes --x-includes='/usr/openwin/include
                -I/usr/dt/include -I/opt/X11R5/include'
          --x-libraries='/usr/openwin/lib -L/usr/dt/lib -L/opt/X11R5/lib'

my system: (sparc20)

vlad: uname -a
SunOS vlad 5.4 Generic_101945-34 sun4m sparc

Any help, pointers, etc will be appriciated.

-- 
---
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

After compiling, if there is an error attempting to go to the error
always results now in a prompt to locate the file -- even though the
file is in the directory where the make was performed, and the
directory is listed in the prompt and the file is listed as the
default.  I still have to enter the file name, otherwise compilation
mode will not find any of the errors.

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From: byron@morticia.physics.colostate.edu (Byron Faber)
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Hello,

I've followed the instructions and installed the proper lisp
in .emacs to get mailcrypt to work in VM and GNUS.

However, in GNUS I can't sign or encode any articles I edit
inside GNUS.

Anybody ran into this?

Thanks
Byron
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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
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Subject: too many modeline colors in 19.14; how to change to one color?
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Switching to 19.14, I now have red, gold, blue, & green
text colors in my modeline text strings. The color & font 
size make the modeline unreadable now.

For 19.13, I had a simple gold/black text string which was
easy to read.

In my X resources file, I have:

Emacs.modeline.attributeForeground: lightgoldenrod
Emacs.modeline.attributeBackground: black

I cannot seem to get rid of these 4 colors. Already looked
at NEWS & sample.Xdefaults w/o any luck. Can someone please
suggest a solution?

Thanks.
Silvio 

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From: Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu>
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Subject: [19.14]  X-Face in mh-e and Gnus?
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:26:35 -0400
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Hi, I have two questions regarding displaying X-Faces in 19.14:

1) How do I add a header in Gnus 5.2?  I used to know how to do this,
but cannot find it at all documented in the info file.

2) Can one display X-Faces inline while reading mail with mh-e?

Thanks!

Peter


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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

(unfortunately report bug has a bug !! -- we are using the
pre-compiled binaries.)

After setting Toolbar option to be on the left, the Toolbar appears as
expected.  At some point (as buffers change?  when vm automatically
POPs in the background?), the menu is overwritten with 1/2 of the vm
Toolbar -- and never returns to what it should be.  If, using the
Options we put the Toolbar on the bottom or the right, it appears
correctly, but placing at the Top results in a completely "scrunched"
Toolbar and on the Left is the 1/2 VM Toolbar.

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From: jwr@icm.edu.pl (Jan Rychter)
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Subject: 19.14, psgml, html and keystrokes
Date: 25 Jun 1996 20:19:23 GMT
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Hi,

  I'm having trouble with html editing in 19.14. Pressing the right
mouse button anywhere inside the <body> </body> tags causes an error.

Here's the backlog (a _very_ useful feature, btw!):
(all I did was open a 'test.html' file and press the right mouse
button).

====================

Recent keystrokes:

button1 button1up C-x C-f t e s t . h t m l RET t e 
BS DEL BS DEL T e s t RET button1 button1up button3 
button3up C-h l


Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first):

[tl-list; mol's Common Lisp emulating function]">)
Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from last) (list) "...(9)" [nthcdr 1- length list] 4 "Returns the last element in LIST.
Loading cl-seq...done
Loading cl-seq...
Parsing prolog...done
Parsing doctype...done
Reading compiled DTD...
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/ECAT ... done
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/ECAT ...
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/CATALOG ... done
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/CATALOG ...
Parsing doctype...
Parsing prolog...
Loading psgml-edit...done
Loading psgml-edit...
Loading psgml-html...done
Loading psgml-html...
(New file)
Loading ~/.xemacs-options...done
Paren mode is sexp
Loading ~/.xemacs-options...
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.el...done
Loading mime-setup...done
Loading mime-setup...
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.el...
Loading mime-compose...done
Loading mime-compose...
Loading tm-setup...done
Loading tm-setup...

==========================

Also, after several minutes of using it, my XEmacs seems to stop
accepting Meta-* keybindings. If I press 'Alt-A', I get 'A-a not
defined' in the status line, nothing more. I don't know where this
comes from ? When I start xemacs, it works all right, the problems
start to occur later. It looks just like if I've been modifying my
xmodmap in the meantime, which I'm not... ideas ?

thanks,
Jan
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From: briskin@zedy04.desy.de (Gennady Briskin)
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Subject: fortran font-lock missing
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 Hi,
  I just installed xemacs19.14 on Solaris 2.4 and I have discovered that
fortran keywords are missing in font-lock mode.

  Why was fortran keywords removed from font-lock ???

  If fortran-keywords are not put back into font-lock, what should I do ??

  I like font-lock alot, but I prefer to use xemacs with colors !!!

  cheers,
    Gennady Briskin.

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From: "\"Karl M. Hegbloom\" <Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
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Subject: Bug Report: VM add-label from menubar

(setq debug-on-error t)

Go through the menu to add a label to a message.  The first one works
fine, but the second one:

Pops up a HUGE window, with a sensy saying click here for a keyboard interface.
Click on it.
The minibuffer is not selected, I have to click to type.
Enter a label.
Cursor in blank minibuffer.
Press ENTER
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*Backtrace*
 8<--------------------------------------->8 
Signalling: (no-catch exit nil)
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 It seems to work fine using the keyboard.


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 You guys are GREAT!

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Subject: How do I make an X-Face?


 What is and how do I make an X-Face?  Where do I find that out?

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Used gcc 7.2

./configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --cflags '-O -G 0'
1) needed to link ultrix.h with ultrix4-3.h  (conftest.c complained)
2) emacsserver.c:64 -- comment out "#include <sys/socket.h>
   (redefinition linger, sockaddr, sockproto, msghdr)
3) waitpid's prototype in ULTRIX 4.3 is:
   waitpid (pid_t, union wait *, int options);
4) lib/Xpm.a (misc.o): strdup mult defined
   Fix: In alloc.c:467
   #ifndef HAVE_XPM
   #ifdef NEED_STRDUP
   ...
   #endif
   #endif
5) First the good news:  Finally built it.
   Now the bad news: when starting up, I see a blank toolbar and
   "memory exhausted" msg in mini-buffer.
   Any suggestions???
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Christopher Davis (ckd@loiosh.kei.com) wrote:
>  HN> Besides the problems with font-lock on tty I mentioned earlier, there
>  HN> are other problems I have noticed too.  I do not understand the
>  HN> heuristics XEmacs uses to determine whether a (device-class) is 'mono
>  HN> or 'color on tty-s. Setting TERM to vt100 marks the device as 'mono,
>  HN> and only the comments are displayed any different from ordinary text.
>  HN> Setting it to screen (since I am running inder screen) marks it as
>  HN> 'color, and then not even comments are highlighted.
> 
> The heuristics are not perfect.  I did a UTSL, and in redisplay-tty.c:

OK, the heuristics are not a major trouble since they are extremely
easy to tailor with (set-device-class). What is bothering me is the
need to use M-x edit-faces, when everything worked perfectly well in
19.13 without manual intervention of the kind. I consider it a
drawback.

> So it would seem that on your system, the vt100 termcap entry doesn't have
> those parameters, while the screen entry does.

Entirely possible.

> As for making the faces more visually distinct, you can set the faces up
> such that they are bold, underlined, inverse (etc) on ttys; try M-x
> edit-faces sometime.

I tried. If there is no other way, I will do just that.

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>>>>> "simon" == simon goland <sg@orby.mda.ca> writes:

    simon> Hi, I am using version 19.13 of Xemacs. When using GNUS to
    simon> write a reply or post an article, how do I set the wrap
    simon> line length?

 C-u 7 5 C-x f  will set it to column 75. (f1 k C-x f)


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Subject: Re: too many modeline colors in 19.14; how to change to one color?
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SP> == Silvio Picano <spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com>

 SP> Switching to 19.14, I now have red, gold, blue, & green text colors
 SP> in my modeline text strings. The color & font size make the modeline
 SP> unreadable now.

Adapt the following face specifications as you prefer.

(set-face-background 'modeline (list (cons 'x "Gray90")
				     (cons 'tty "black")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-buffer-id (list (cons 'x "black")
					       (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable (list (cons 'x "blue3")
					      (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode (list (cons 'x "blue3")
							 (cons 'tty "white")))
-- 
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>>>>> "garry" == garry  <garry@viper.inow.com> writes:

    garry> Hi, I'm getting the following error while trying to build
    garry> Xemacs 19.14 on an x86 Solaris system. Can someone help me
    garry> out? I built 19.13 with no problem.

 Hmmm... It builds on Linux 2.0.0 without even a warning!  Fully
optimized and dynamicly linked too. :)

-- 
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HN> == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>

 HN> OK, the heuristics are not a major trouble since they are extremely
 HN> easy to tailor with (set-device-class). What is bothering me is the
 HN> need to use M-x edit-faces, when everything worked perfectly well in
 HN> 19.13 without manual intervention of the kind. I consider it a
 HN> drawback.

Well, I suspect it's just a case of the defaults changing to make them
look better on color ttys, and in the process being less useful on mono
ttys.  (Yes, this is arguably a bug, and certainly a drawback.)

Check some of the stuff in etc/sample.emacs for ways to set up faces on
ttys in lisp (i.e. not from edit-faces).  The reason I brought up
edit-faces is because it's a good way to see what faces are defined at any
given point, and experiment with using different visual parameters to
differentiate between them.

Once you settle on a good combo using edit-faces ("comments are
underlined, keywords are bold, subroutine names are bold inverse" or
whatever) you can then write the lisp into your .emacs or moral equivalent.

When I first started using 19.14 (then in beta) as my main XEmacs, I spent
some time tweaking the faces I use the most so that they'd look reasonable
on a color tty (that being my usual tty setup).

Note the use of fallback colors which happen (not by accident ;) to match
the colors availaable on a color TTY.

(require 'font-lock)

;; font-lock face setup based on sample.emacs
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face (list "darkgreen" "green"))
;; Underling comments looks terrible on tty's
(set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-comment-face nil 'global 'tty)
;; but I don't want bold ("highlight") either
(set-face-highlight-p 'font-lock-comment-face nil 'global 'tty)
(copy-face 'font-lock-comment-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face (list "navyblue" "blue"))

;; function names are bold and red
(copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-function-name-face)
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face (list "darkred" "red"))

;; misc. faces
(and (find-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face) ; 19.13 and above
     (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-preprocessor-face))

(copy-face 'italic 'font-lock-type-face)
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face (list "blue3" "blue"))

(copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-keyword-face)
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face (list "blue3" "blue"))
-- 
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"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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From: stein@uni-paderborn.de (Benno Stein)
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Hi folks,

since we switched from SunOS 4.1 to Solaris 2, I get the following message
when starting Xemacs (my machine is a Sun Sparc 2):

(1) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Alt_R (0x14) generates both Mod4 and Mod5, which is nonsensical.

Of course this is not a real problem - but perhaps did anybody else encounter it
and knows a work around.

Thanks in advance,

  Benno



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Subject: How do I autoload a c-style?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:48:48 -0400
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I don't like any of the standard cc-mode indent c-styles, so I made my own
by putting the following in my .emacs file:
	(setq c-style-alist (append
	     '(("brent"
	     (c-basic-offset . 3)
	     (c-comment-only-line-offset . 3)
	     (c-offsets-alist . ((statement-block-intro . 0)
	                         (knr-argdecl-intro . +)
	                         (substatement-open . 3)
	                         (label . 0)
	                         (statement-cont . +)
	                         ))
	     ))
	c-style-alist)
	)

This works just the way I want it to when I press:
	 ESC-X set-c-style brent

I would like to have it autoload for all files that call up the c++ or c
modes.  I don't want to go through all those key strokes every time I load
a C or C++ file.

Here are some things that I have tried, but didn't work:
	(autoload 'set-c-style "brent" t)
	(defvar c-site-default-style "brent")
	(autoload 'c++-mode  "brent" "C++ Editing Mode" t)

I have spent hours fooling with this and just can't get it to work
(possibly because I do not know lisp).

Please help! Thanks,

	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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From: Darrell Kindred <dkindred+@cmu.edu>
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Subject: Re: building 19.14 on AIX 4.1
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Scott Evans writes:
 > >> It doesn't appear that 19.14 has build support for AIX 4.1 -- it
 > >> looks like 3.2.5 only.  
 > >
 > > There is a binary kit already available for 4.1.4 so obviously there
 > > is build support for AIX 4.1.  
 > 
 > How about that, there is. :)  I was running configure rs6000-ibm-aix and
 > didn't realize that it defaults to 3.2.5 until I looked in the configure
 > script itself.  Running with no machine specified detected the OS
 > properly.  (alternately, I could have just used rs6000-ibm-aix4.1)
 > 
 > Out of curiosity, I don't see all of these different machine/OS options
 > listed in etc/MACHINES anywhere.  Should they be documented somewhere
 > other than the configure script?

Usually, your best bet is to leave off the machine/OS description and
let configure guess one.  Only if that fails should you try to provide
one yourself.

- Darrell

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From: Dave Carrigan <carrigad@avon.iplenergy.com>
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amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.14, the modeline chops off the bottom of the last text line.

This is in the FAQ. Do something like a 

  (setq pixel-vertical-clip-threshold 1000) 

to fix it. 

There is a bug if you do the above, and also use the scroll-in-place
package. Scroll-in-place will consistently scroll one line too far if
pixel-vertical-clip-threshold is set. I kludged a fix by making the
scroll-window-in-place function to scroll one less line, but
obviously this isn't the optimal solution.

Cheers,

-- 
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From: gast@cteq07.pa.msu.edu (Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung})
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Subject: 19.14 on Linux 1.2.13 compile problems
Date: 25 Jun 1996 22:07:38 GMT
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I downloaded the XEmacs source on Sunday, and I've been having trouble 
compiling it ever since.  It appears to compile all the source files 
correctly, but it doesn't link everything right at the end.  My system is a 
Pentium 90 running Linux 1.2.13 (a.out libraries) with XFree86 3.1.1.

feynman:~$ uname -a
Linux feynman 1.2.13 #1 Sun Jun 2 14:24:03 GMT-0600 1996 i586


The configure script runs correctly, and produces the following output:

feynman:~/xemacs-19.14$ configure i486-ZenithData-linux --with-database=no
--with-x=yes --with-socks=no

Configured for `i486-ZenithData-linux'.
  
  Where should the build process find the source code?
/home/gast/xemacs-19.14      
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -g -O
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R6/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R6/lib
  Additional header files:   
/usr/include/ncurses
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.
 
When I then run make, everything goes quit nicely for a long time, but 
when it tries to make the object "temacs", it terminates like so:

gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
-L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
[lots of .o files skipped for brevity]
-llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
-lncurses                `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
`gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`

lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------

If anybody could tell me what's going on, I'd appreciate it.  I'd also be 
happy to post any information that would be helpful in finding the 
problem.  (For some reason, this didn't happen when I built 19.13; that 
was as smooth as could be...)

Thanks in advance.

Matthew

(Remember, that system was "linux", not "lignux")


----
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Michigan State University
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From: Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca>
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Hi:
	I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services Group
here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of things that
xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that regular gnu emacs
does not.
	I need to convince them or they won't install version 19.14 for me. I
myself don't have the disk space.

--rick

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From: Fred DeCaro <decaro_f@sat.mot.com>
Subject: Question on version 19.14
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I just got XEMACS ver 19.14 running on my Sun workstation (running
SunOS 4.1.3) and noticed that it behaves a bit differently when
I open a new frame/window/buffer.

No matter what I have set my font size to under the Options
menu (I set it to 18), XEMACS always opens the new frame/window/buffer
using a very small font. How can I configure XEMACS to open every
new frame/window/buffer using the font size that I have picked ?

As a side note, how can I automatically configure XEMACS to use
font size 18 as a default font. I tried using the "Save Options"
entry after changing my font size to 18, but it seems to screw up
my color scheme. Any ideas ???

Thanks in advance for your suggestions,

Fred




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>>>>> On 24 Jun 1996 08:29:37 -0500, cthomp  said:
>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:
Ricardo> I have in my .emacs the following: (Which worked nice
Ricardo> with 19.13)
Ricardo> (setq save-options-file "~/lib/lisp/options.el") ; Do
Ricardo> not scramble ~/.emacs file
Ricardo> XEmacs 19.14 doesn't believe that.... and overwrites my
Ricardo> ~/.emacs file.  (For my good luck, my ~/.emacs is
Ricardo> read-only:)
> By default 19.14 now saves the options to a separate file and adds
> code to the .emacs to load that file.  The variable
> `save-options-file' is still used for the same purpose but now has a
> default value of ".xemacs-options".  The variable
> `save-options-init-file' determines where the init code is put.
> Unfortunately, there is no way to keep it from not putting the init
> code somewhere.  You can at least set it to some other file to avoid
> the error when it tries to write to your read-only .emacs.

Chuck,

Any performance recomendations on options settings? I.e., won't
loading the .xemacs-options file take extra time, especially all the
face information? Is there a strategy you recommend for experienced
users, such as simply setting options manually.

What are the disadvantages of setting options manually?

Could .xemacs-options be byte compiled?

Thanks.

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> Hi:
Rick> 	I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services Group
Rick> here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of things that
Rick> xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that regular gnu
Rick> emacs does not.
Rick> 	I need to convince them or they won't install version 19.14
Rick> for me. I myself don't have the disk space.

1.  Font locking works on terminals in color
2.  Gnus 5.2.25 with 19.14 is the best newsreader/mailreader
3.  19.14 has a far superior html mode
4.  XEmacs is prettier to look at (a more pleasant environment to work
    in, IMO, but I always have an emacs buffer handy)
5.  XEmacs supports the Functions menu for programming modes (makes
    navigation of source code easier)
6.  XEmacs supports graphics in editing buffers and sound

For more ideas see part I of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html#Q1_0_4

I would also add:
7.  The XEmacs developers know how to spell `Linux'.

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
GNU Emacs 19.31.2 (i486-unknown-linux, X toolkit) of Tue May 28 1996 on deanna.miranova.com

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From: Will Luo <Will.Luo@Eng.Sun.COM>
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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> 
> I extend my thanks to all the XEmacs team and beta testers.
> 

I think we all owe them at least a round of beer!

---
Will.Luo@Eng.Sun.COM
Sun Microsystems

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In article <kigwx0wnilv.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> I have compiled XEmacs 19.14 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5, but cannot get
> font-locking to work on tty-s as it used to in 19.13.

If xemacs thinks your tty is ANSI color, it will probably use
font-lock-use-colors. Anf if your screen is B&W, that won't do much good.
call M-x font-lock-use-default-fonts.
What tty are you using?

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Try the patch below that makes edit-faces more useful on ttys. It allows
you to edit all tty attributes such as dim, reverse, highlight (=bold),
underline. It's for 19.13, so use your best judgement when applying. Also,
it does not consider colors (19.13 had no color on tty), maybe someone
would care to patch that in?

Has anyone experienced problems trying to mix a color and an attribute?
E.g. try a blue reversed face and see if that looks correct. I'm especially
interested in Kermit terminal emulators. The problem (if any) would be
connected to the fact that xemacs does not care in what order it emits the
appearance commands, while they should be <color> <attr> ... </attr> </color>.

Long live XEmacs on ttys!

--- edit-faces.el~	Tue Aug 15 08:27:52 1995
+++ edit-faces.el	Tue Apr  9 22:03:59 1996
@@ -35,6 +35,11 @@
     (define-key map "t" 'ef-truefont)
     (define-key map "F" 'ef-foreground)
     (define-key map "B" 'ef-background)
+    (define-key map "\M-\C-b" 'ef-blinking)   ; tty attributes
+    (define-key map "D" 'ef-dim)      
+    (define-key map "H" 'ef-highlight)
+    (define-key map "R" 'ef-reverse)  
+    (define-key map "U" 'ef-underline)  ; last tty attribute
     (define-key map "d" 'ef-delete)
     (define-key map "n" 'ef-next)
     (define-key map "p" 'ef-prev)
@@ -59,6 +64,13 @@
     ["Set font"		ef-font		t]
     ["Set foreground"	ef-foreground	t]
     ["Set background"	ef-background	t]
+    "---"
+    ["Toggle blinking"  ef-blinking     t]
+    ["Toggle dim"       ef-dim          t]
+    ["Toggle highlight" ef-highlight    t]
+    ["Toggle reverse"   ef-reverse      t]
+    ["Toggle underline" ef-underline    t]
+    "---"
     ["Quit"		ef-quit		t]
     ))
 
@@ -71,6 +83,10 @@
   "Alter face characteristics by editing a list of defined faces.
 Pops up a buffer containing a list of defined faces.
 
+On a TTY, only the blinking, dim, highlight, reverse and underline attributes
+make sense; bold and italic are mapped to highlight and underline
+respectively. On an X frame, blinking and dim are not available.
+
 Editing commands:
 
 \\{edit-faces-map}"
@@ -107,19 +123,36 @@
 (defun ef-update-face-description (face &optional replace)
   "Given a face, inserts a description of that face into the current buffer.
 Inserts a descriptive header if passed `t'."
-  (let ((fmt "%-25s %-15s %-15s\n    %s\n")
+  (let* ((tty-p (eq (device-type) 'tty))
+         (fmt (if tty-p "%-30s %-8s %-3s %-9s %-7s %-9s\n"
+                "%-25s %-15s %-15s\n    %s\n"))
 	(buffer-read-only nil)
-	fg bg font ex)
+         fg bg font ex blinking dim highlight reverse underline)
     (if (eq face t)
-	(insert-face (format fmt "Face" "Foreground" "Background" "Font Spec")
-		    'underline)
+        (if tty-p (insert (format fmt "Face" "Blinking" "Dim"
+                                  "Highlight" "Reverse" "Underline"))
+          (insert-face (format fmt "Face" "Foreground" "Background"
+                               "Font Spec") 'underline))
       (or replace (setq replace face))
       (goto-char (point-min)) 
       (if (re-search-forward (concat "^" (symbol-name replace) " ") nil 0)
 	  (progn
 	    (beginning-of-line)
-	    (delete-region (point) (progn (forward-line 2) (point)))
+	    (delete-region (point)
+                           (progn (forward-line (if tty-p 1 2)) (point)))
 	    ))
+      (if tty-p 
+          (setq blinking (face-blinking-p face)
+                dim (face-dim-p face)
+                highlight (face-highlight-p face)
+                reverse (face-reverse-p face)
+                underline (face-underline-p face)
+                ex (insert-face
+                    (apply 'format fmt (symbol-name face)
+                           (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (if x "yes" "no")))
+                                   (list blinking dim highlight
+                                         reverse underline)))
+                    face))
       (setq fg (face-foreground-instance face)
 	    bg (face-background-instance face)
 	    font (face-font-instance face)
@@ -128,7 +161,7 @@
 				   (and fg (color-instance-name fg))
 				   (and bg (color-instance-name bg))
 				   (and font (font-instance-name font)))
-			   face))
+                             face)))
       (set-extent-property ex 'eface t)
       (set-extent-property ex 'start-open t)
       (and replace (forward-line -1))
@@ -224,6 +257,26 @@
 (defun ef-underline (face)
   (interactive (list (ef-face-arg)))
   (set-face-underline-p face (not (face-underline-p face)))
+  (ef-update-face-description face))
+
+(defun ef-blinking (face)
+  (interactive (list (ef-face-arg)))
+  (set-face-blinking-p face (not (face-blinking-p face)))
+  (ef-update-face-description face))
+
+(defun ef-dim (face)
+  (interactive (list (ef-face-arg)))
+  (set-face-dim-p face (not (face-dim-p face)))
+  (ef-update-face-description face))
+
+(defun ef-highlight (face)
+  (interactive (list (ef-face-arg)))
+  (set-face-highlight-p face (not (face-highlight-p face)))
+  (ef-update-face-description face))
+
+(defun ef-reverse (face)
+  (interactive (list (ef-face-arg)))
+  (set-face-reverse-p face (not (face-reverse-p face)))
   (ef-update-face-description face))
 
 (defun ef-truefont (face)


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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Don't know if anyone updated it. But make sure you get the gnus refcard:
/ftp.cs.ualberta.ca:/pub/oolog/gnus/. Also, if you use KOutliner, look into
the sibling dir kotl/

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Subject: Re: crash upon opening html file
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: Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: : XEmacs 19.14 crashes when trying to open an html file.
: : Says fontifying... then regex..... then crashes.
: : Plz try to reproduce, since I cannot cut and paste a crash dump, since
: : xemacs is on a diff network than this posting machine.
: Sorry, I forget to mention the OS:
:     Dec Unix 3.2; compiled with gcc 2.7.2
Here's some more info:  The same file opens just fine use a Solaris 2.5
version of XEmacs 19.14!
BTW, html-mode is real cool!
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In article <kigivcfoief.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> 19.14 does not analyze the screen terminfo entry/TERMCAP variable

And neither did 19.13. They read TERM, but not the fkey descriptions in
TERMCAP (they read the other descriptions there, though). 

> vt100.el, which loads from lk201.el), 

Here it is: TERM causes it to load vt100 where the fkeys are *hardcoded*.

> but when setting TERM to screen,

You shouldn't. Leave it to what screen sets it, namely "vt100". screen is
not a type of terminal, it provides vt100 emulation over any reasonable
terminal. (Well, it includes something of its true idintity in TERMCAP just
in case.) Screen is written for the benefit of dumb programs that don't
read TERMCAP. Eg lynx: it only compares TERM to vt100 and refuses to run
otherwise. My guess is that you are confused you have actually
experimented with TERM=screen under 19.13.

Here's my environment:

$ echo $TERMCAP
SC|vt100|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal\
:DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:...

but
$ echo $TERM
vt100


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From: Paramesh A <paramesh@ikos.com>

Hi Folks,

        I'm  getting  the following warning   message  when i invoke the
xemacs -

"No library search-menu in search path".

What's the search it's referring to ?  

I have load path set in my .emacs file. The load-path variable does show
all  these  paths below  when queried  and  all  the libraries are under
lisp. The effect of above error is that i'm unable to make the supercite
work  properly. While replying to messages,  yanking the original, i get
the error :

can not load file : youwrite


 (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp") load-path ))
(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc") load-path ))
 (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages") load-path ))


I tried loading  the library 'yow' seperately but  in vain. Any  help is
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Paramesh
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Dec Unix 3.2; gcc 2.7.2; gdb 4.15
When I ran xemacs under gdb (compiled with -g -O), in order to demonstrate
the html open file crash, I didn't even get that far!
I got a seg fault before anything became visible on the screen:
fflush
sysdep.c:1938
device.c:737
console.c:697
device.c:731
device.c:845
eval.c:3486
eval.c:3526
eval.c:3204
eval.c:3253
bytecode.c:450
etc.
Hope this helps.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: gnus & markers :-(
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Looking by the C code you posted, the fault is not at all in that function.
It just reports a marker that is not in any buffer. Continue to bug Larsi
about it, he's a nice guy and will definitely fix it. I guess what
happened is 19.14 grabbed a "pretty hot" version of gnus, which turns out
not to be stable enough yet.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Everyone is on fire with the new release, and you worry about faces :-)
A x-face is a string of gibberish in a X-Face: header that can be decoded
to the mugshot of the sender. The procedure is described in
http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html

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Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: : Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: : : XEmacs 19.14 crashes when trying to open an html file.
: : : Says fontifying... then regex..... then crashes.
: : : Plz try to reproduce, since I cannot cut and paste a crash dump, since
: : : xemacs is on a diff network than this posting machine.
: : Sorry, I forget to mention the OS:
: :     Dec Unix 3.2; compiled with gcc 2.7.2
: Here's some more info:  The same file opens just fine use a Solaris 2.5
: version of XEmacs 19.14!
: BTW, html-mode is real cool!
Latest info: xemacs -q brings up the html file just fine!

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On Xemacs 19.13, in an rmail buffer, C-c C-q causes the Xemacs to hang. 
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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Subject: Now playing...
Date: 25 Jun 1996 20:13:51 -0600
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Here's a cool idea.

I use xmcd to listen to CDs.  It knows artist, title, track, etc. from
a database.

Wouldn't it be cool if VM and Gnus could query xmcd, find out that info,
and insert it in a message, like:

Now playing:
 Zappa / Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar, Disc 2 / Ship Ahoy

You know, to go after a .sig or whatever.

Just an idea...

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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From: kb@cs.umb.edu ()
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    I was wondering if anyone knew of an implementation of the kpathsearch
    library in emacs.  

I highly doubt it.

    I would like emacs lisp functions that provide versions of getenv (or
    of parse-colon-path) that incorporate this sort of thing, and I'd
    rather not have to write them myself.

They must already exist somewhere, but I confess I can't point you at
them.  I wrote a couple front end functions to libcomplet.el (aka
lib-complete.el) to find elisp files along load-path and executable
files along PATH, but I never felt the need to do it in general. Or did
I? Hmm ... I remember seeing something to separate a colon-separated
path into a Lisp list, but not sure about the searching part.

      palmieri@math.mit.edu  (send email to this address,
        not to palmieri@severi.math.mit.edu, or whatever my return address
        appears to be to your newsreader)

Consider setting the Reply-To: header ...
E.g., (setq user-mail-address "whatever") in your .emacs.

kb@cs.umb.edu (author of kpathsea)

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Does anybody have a lisp function that takes a buffer and sends it to
filep? I would like to do this so that I can print in landscape mode
to save paper and space.

>From the man page for filep:

     mailp, digestp, filep, newsp, filofaxp, franklinp, timemanp,
     timesysp - frontends to the mp PostScript pretty printer

     filep will print out ordinary ASCII files.

     -s subject
          Use  subject as the new subject for  the  printout.  If
          you  are  printing ordinary ASCII files which have been
          specified on the command line,  the  the  subject  will
          default to the name of each of these files.

     -l    Format output in landscape mode.  Two  pages  of  text
          will be printed per sheet of paper.

I can currently do this by selecting a region and piping it to filep.

Thanks.

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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From: brynn@sashimi.wwa.com (Brynn D. Rogers)
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I had problems compiling 19.14 untill I finally tried adding the --with-xmu
option.  It always barfed complaining about undefined references in libXmu,
even though I think I have X11R6.1 installed right.  --with-xmu=no fails everytime
also.  So what finally got it to work was:
configure --cflags="-O2 -fno-strength-reduce" --with-xmu
make all
make install

I was surprised, the make took less then 1/2 hour, even niced. (P90 48MB fast 
everything)

brynn@wwa.com
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Brynn Rogers                brynn@wwa.com

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From: David Fenyes <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu>
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Hello,

I compiled xemacs 9.14 for Solaris 2.5 (UltraSparc) with the following
sequence:
####
$./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-sparcworks \
      --with-scrollbars=motif --with-dialogs=motif
$make
$sudo make install
####

I found that the ..../etc and ..../lisp directories and all files in
them were created with my own userid as owner, rather than root.  No
big deal.  I can simply chown them to root or su root before
installing.  Just thought I'd mention it.


More importantly, I get the following message on startup:

Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

and the .emacs file is never loaded.  This happens even without a
.emacs file, and as best as I can tell, happens somewhere after the
cl-extra package is loading.  I can't localize it any more than that.

Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks,
David.
-- 
David Fenyes                               University of Texas Medical School
dave@msrad74.med.uth.tmc.edu               Dept. of Radiology

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From: kyriacou@umbc.edu (kyriacou stelios)
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In article <31D035A6.6231@dna406.dna.mci.com>,
David Hinz  <dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com> wrote:
>I'm running 19.14 on DEC UNIX 3.2c and I've encountered the following
>bug:
>
>If you have a file checked from RCS and make changes in Xemacs then try
>and use the VC pulldown and checkin the file you will get a window
>asking if you want to revert the changes to the file. If you select
>cancel or no then file is reverted anyway and you lose your changes.

I remember a very similar (maybe same) annoying bug in vc even for 19.12 or 19.13.
For this reason i do not use vc that much.
Stelios

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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howdy folks,

the buttons in the toolbar under gnus have an odd grainy appearance on
my system.  previously there were no buttons on my system when using
gnus. 

also, i haven't been able to figure out how to start the emacsserver
so i can use emacsclient.  previously i just had the line
(server-start) in my .emacs but now i just get an error.  i've seen
discussion of the gnuclient and gnuserver as well.  are these the same
idea?  is there some advantage to them over emacsserver etc?

thanks,

- -pjf


- -- 
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From: kendall@rmii.com (Kendall Gelner)
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Thanks for the new release, not only does it have a host of great new
features, but it also fixes the "save options" bug that just ignored saved
options under 19.13!  At last I can go back to trying to get relative
novices using Xemacs again.

One question though - yellow for language keywords in font-lock?  Ick!

---> Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmi.net)


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Subject: 19.14: mouse-highlighting slowdown
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Lots of nice stuff in 19.14, and I really love it, but...

Mouse highlighting has gotten way slower, to the point of being
annoying. This is most noticeable if you fill a frame with
mouse-highlightable regions, by doing a big hyper-apropos, say. The
highlight trails the mouse very noticeably and jerkily. Even worse,
this seems to slow down all X-events: xemacs can't keep up with fast
typing in the scratch buffer if there is a frame visible with a lot of
highlightable regions, even though the mouse is not moving. None of
this is a problem on 19.13: mouse highlighting is perceptually
instantaneous under the same scenarios.

I am running the precompiled binaries for powerpc-aix4.1.4.
Comparing head-to-head with same for 19.13.

Keep up the good work,
Jonathan

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A .gz or .Z signifies a compressed format. On a UNIX/Linux system, use
'gunzip file.gz' or uncompress 'file.Z' to uncompress the file. 
______________________________________
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From: Vinay Kumar  <vinayk@faslab.com>
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Subject: VM help!!!
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Hi!! all,
	I recently started using VM. My modeline displays "Mail" whenever 
I have new mail but I have to hit 'g' key to get new mail in the VM frame 
everytime to read it. Is there a way to make VM to display the new mail 
in the summary window automatically without me having to hit 'g' key 
everytime.

	Thanks a lot.

-- 
Vinay


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From: Midas Lin <midas@cadence.com>
To: Vinay Kumar  <vinayk@faslab.com>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: VM help!!!
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Hi Vinay,

I think put this line in your .vm will work as I do.

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 300) ; retrieve mail every 5 minutes

But, I failed to make it display on my modeline as you did, how do you
do that.

Thanks.

Midas


Vinay Kumar writes:
 > 
 > Hi!! all,
 > 	I recently started using VM. My modeline displays "Mail" whenever 
 > I have new mail but I have to hit 'g' key to get new mail in the VM frame 
 > everytime to read it. Is there a way to make VM to display the new mail 
 > in the summary window automatically without me having to hit 'g' key 
 > everytime.
 > 
 > 	Thanks a lot.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Vinay
 > 

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Wed Jun 26 01:44:27 1996
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Hi,

Sorry, I forgot to add one line, you will need itimer.

(require 'itimer)
(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 300)

Midas

Vinay Kumar writes:
 > 
 > Hi!! all,
 > 	I recently started using VM. My modeline displays "Mail" whenever 
 > I have new mail but I have to hit 'g' key to get new mail in the VM frame 
 > everytime to read it. Is there a way to make VM to display the new mail 
 > in the summary window automatically without me having to hit 'g' key 
 > everytime.
 > 
 > 	Thanks a lot.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Vinay
 > 

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Wed Jun 26 02:11:45 1996
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Hi there!

After upgrading from Xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 (nice job!!) and from Gnus
Version 5.2.23 to 5.2.25 (nice job as usual, Lars) Mailcrypt 3.4
stopped working "correctly". Encrypting of Mail (major job for
Mailcrypt on my system) still works reliable as before, but when I try
to decrypt Mail (using the nnml-Backend in Gnus to read mail) I get an
error-message like

	"Found no encrypted message in this buffer."

though there is one! When using PGP directly on this mail, there are
no problems decrypting it!

Any ideas from the elisp-profis or configuration-hackers are honestly
welcomed.

Regards,
		Thomas


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From: Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: TM, Xemacs 19.14 and mime-compose
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>>>>> "David" == David Peart <dpeart@dtthp175.jf.intel.com> writes:

David> I an trying to get TM and mime-compose to work together within
David> Xemacs-19.14 and have run into a couple of problems.  When I compose a
David> mime message with mime-compose TM does not recognize it as a valid
David> mime message.  If I compose the message with TM everything works well,
David> the problem here is that I like to be able to compose a message that
David> includes an xwd taken immediately (as mime-compose does it.)  From
David> what I read in the TM documentation it sounded like the two would work
David> together, has anyone gotten them to do so?

Using mime-compose with tm sounds a bad idea since tm provides its own
composing mode. What exactly do you mean by the 'xwd is taken immediately' ?
Does this mean that xwd is recognized as a specific MIME type ? You can add
your own MIME types to the defaults provided by tm, have a look at the variable
mime-file-types.

David> I also get an error when tm-edit tries to split a long message into
David> smaller pieces.  The message has to do with a void pointer.  Any help
David> here would also be appreciated.

Be sure to be running the latest version from tm, current is tm7.68 You can
prevent your messages from being split by specifying: 
(setq mime-editor/split-message nil)

Oscar

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From: mnsteffe@immd7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Martin Steffen)
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Subject: 19.14 dumping: symbol not found: main (me, too)
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Hello. I got the very same problem with dumping


  unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: 
	   ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: 
	   referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
  make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
  make[1]: Leaving directory `/local.stand/xemacs-19.13/src/xemacs-19.14/src'
  make: *** [src] Error 2


 but under Solaris-2.5 (not Solaris-2.4) (but it also appeared half a year
ago with xemacs-19.13 under Solaris-2.4, as I recall).

The solution posted before, not to use gnu's ld, didn't work for me.

So does anybody has any clue how to proceed?


Martin





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Subject: Problems with HTML editing in 19.14
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Hi, 

I've had various problems trying to edit HTML with 19.14

First I had to add the following line to psgml-html

(require 'psgml-xemacs)

because when trying to open a new HTML file I got the error:

(void-variable sgml-sgml-menu)

Now when I try to open an empty HTML file I got a message in the modeline that
says :

File mode specification error: (error "must specify some menu items")

This is a bit confusing because it does not trigger the debugger.

No HTML prolog is automatically added and the buffer for the new file remains
empty, so when I try to insert a new element I got an error message saying 'No
document type defined in prolog' and I found no menu to insert a new document
prolog as I used to have with the version of psgml I had installed with XEmacs
19.13.

Any idea ???

Oscar

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How do I add a menu to the menubar in a certain mode? I have the menu
and I can add it with add-submenu, but I can't make it buffer-local!

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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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I'm trying to build 19.14 on a sunos 4.1.3U1 machine setup with an
elderly X11 distribution. Here's what I ran to configure the build:

./configure sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 --prefix=/n/c17h21no4/morgan \
--site-includes=/usr/include/X11/Xmu --dynamic

When I attempt to build it, I get:

gcc -g -O -dynamic -L. -L../lwlib -o temacs abbrev.o alloc.o \
blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o \
casetab.o cmdloop.o cmds.o console.o console-stream.o data.o \
database.o device.o dialog.o dired.o doc.o doprnt.o dynarr.o editfns.o \
elhash.o emacs.o eval.o events.o event-stream.o event-unixoid.o \
extents.o faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o \
font-lock.o frame.o general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o \
gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o hash.o indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o \
keymap.o lread.o lstream.o macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o minibuf.o \
objects.o opaque.o print.o process.o profile.o pure.o rangetab.o \
redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o scrollbar.o search.o signal.o \
sound.o specifier.o strftime.o symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o toolbar.o \
console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o \
redisplay-tty.o cm.o undo.o unexsunos4.o console-x.o device-x.o \
dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o \
objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o \
xselect.o xmu.o window.o tparam.o lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o \
ralloc.o EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o \
TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o -llw -lXaw -lXt -lXext -lX11 \
-ltermcap -ldbm -lg -lm
ld: /lib/libXaw.sa.5.0: warning: table of contents for archive is out \
of date; rerun ranlib(1)
ld: /lib/libXt.sa.4.10: warning: table of contents for archive is out \
of date; rerun ranlib(1)
ld: Undefined symbol
   _XmuCvtStringToOrientation
   _XmuCvtStringToBackingStore
   _XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle
   _XmuReshapeWidget
   _XmuNewCvtStringToWidget
   _XmuReleaseStippledPixmap
   _XmuCvtStringToJustify
   _XmuCreateStippledPixmap
   _XmuDrawLogo
   _XmuCreatePixmapFromBitmap
   _XmuDistinguishablePixels
   _XmuCompareISOLatin1
   _XmuLocatePixmapFile
   _XmuCvtStringToColorCursor
   _XmuAddInitializer
   _XmuCallInitializers
   _XmuConvertStandardSelection
   _XmuInternAtom
   __XA_COMPOUND_TEXT
   __XA_DELETE
   __XA_LENGTH
   __XA_TARGETS
   __XA_CHARACTER_POSITION
   __XA_LIST_LENGTH
   __XA_NULL
   __XA_SPAN
   __XA_TEXT
   _XmuCvtStringToGravity
   _XmuCvtStringToBitmap
   _XmuCvtStringToCursor
   __XEditResCheckMessages
collect2: ld returned 2 exit status
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `temacs'
Current working directory /n/c17h21no4/dump/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'

The comp.windows.x FAQ says: "Make sure to set the OSTeenyVersion in
the mit/config/sun.cf file if you see that vast numbers of Xlib
functions are undefined in your X11R5 build..." I did change my
/usr/lib/X11/config/sun.cf to have OSTeenyVersion set, but it doesn't
seem to make a difference.

The XmuCvtStringToJustify function is defined in
/usr/include/X11/Xmu/Converters.h.

I've tried using the --with-xmu=no parameter for ./configure, but to
no avail.

I should probably use the binaries, but I'd rather roll my own. Is it
going to work?

morgan

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From: Peter Jeffery <peterj@compnews.co.uk>
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Subject: Configuration error

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on dougal.compnews.co.uk

I wouldn't really call this a huge problem, but I just thought that
you might be interested in this slight configuration wibble.

In the link line for xemacs, libz.a is linked, assumably for zip type
functions. However, I have installed on my system, the fairly widely
used timezone package (tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov), which builds a
libz.a. This is what was linked with.

The actual library that seemed to do the job instead was libgz.a which
came from zlib-0.95 (C) 1995 Jean-loup Gailly and Mark Adler

Perhaps a better test of correct library is needed.


Just trying to help

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From: Brandon Harris <bharris@gaijin.com>
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Subject: HTML Mode <tab> characters.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:36:32 -0700
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I'm not a lisp programmer, and don't muck around much with .emacs files
and whatnot, so forgive my ignorance:

	in 19.13, if i edited an HTML file, pressing <tab> did just that - it
tabbed to the next tab stop.  I happen to like this because I indent
HTML code in specific ways to make it clearer to my own mind.
	Upgraded to 19.14. HTML mode has lotsa new features that i'm just
beginning to explore, but now the <TAB> character doesn't work in the
same manner.
	I went through O'Reilly's Emacs book and read the faq, and tried a
couple of things:

(global-set-key "\C-i" 'tab-to-tab-stop)
(global-set-key 'tab 'tab-to-tab-stop)

	but they didn't work.

	What should I put there to get <tab> to behave like <tab>?

	-b.


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In article <axivcgrtmz.fsf@terminus.cs.umb.edu> kb@cs.umb.edu () writes:

(did not see the original, maybe it's underway?)

|     I was wondering if anyone knew of an implementation of the kpathsearch
|     library in emacs.  
|
| I highly doubt it.

Would be cool, though. Imagine, INFO-PATH=info//,
LISP-PATH=site-lisp/:lisp//elc/:lisp//el/, ETC-PATH=etc//. Great
opportunity to conveniently structure these huge directories.

|     I would like emacs lisp functions that provide versions of getenv (or

(getenv STRING)?

|     of parse-colon-path) that incorporate this sort of thing, and I'd
|     rather not have to write them myself.
|
| They must already exist somewhere, but I confess I can't point you at
| them.  I wrote a couple front end functions to libcomplet.el (aka
| lib-complete.el) to find elisp files along load-path and executable
| files along PATH, but I never felt the need to do it in general. Or did
| I? Hmm ... I remember seeing something to separate a colon-separated
| path into a Lisp list, but not sure about the searching part.

(locate-library LIBRARY) finds your library in load-path. Still
looking for a good `whence', though, that tells me, for any given
function, whether it's a built-in or  (preloaded) defined in a lisp
lib. 

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From: briskin@zedy04.desy.de (Gennady Briskin)
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Hi,
 Ok I found out that definition for fortran-mode font-lock has been moved to
fortran.el

 But the whole thing is busted. In my .emacs I use

 (setq fortran-font-lock-keywords fortran-font-lock-keywords-2)

 but xemacs is complaining. Also none of the keywords like

integer, data, real, etc.... 

 are being highlited.

 can anyone help with this problem. Is there a patch ???

 cheers,
   gena.

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From: "Todd C. Huss" <thuss@gnu.uvm.edu>
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Is there by chance a way to build SOCKS support into XEmacs so that I
can use the networking functionality behind our firewall?

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It works under GNU Emacs, and it is useful when you want (for example) to
search a strig containing iso-latin caractere (iso-latin mode does not expand
in the search minibuffer.)

When I hit compose, I get a "multi_key not defined" message.
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"Todd C. Huss" <thuss@gnu.uvm.edu> writes:

> 
> Is there by chance a way to build SOCKS support into XEmacs so that I
> can use the networking functionality behind our firewall?
> 

Configuring with --with-socks used to work. Don't know if that's still
working though. 

You also have the possibility to run "socksify" on a non-socks binary.

Richard.

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>>>>> Oliver Imbusch writes:

>>>>> "Frode" == Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no> writes:

 Frode> XEmacs should be able to find the source file on its own. In
 Frode> XEmacs-19.13 the source line pops up right away when I click
 Frode> the error message. (The source file is located in the current
 Frode> directory (i.e., the directory in which the file in the buffer
 Frode> I invoked "compile" from resides in).

 flabes> I had the same problem. Use GNU make with flag `-w' (==
 flabes> `--print-directory'), and XEmacs will be able to determine
 flabes> the directory the source file is located in.

This is the same problem I reported (compile mode lose self).  We are
using the pre-compiled versions.  Could the compilers please build
with this flag and re-release the binaries????


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>>>>> Gary Beckmann writes:

 gary> appears as expected.  At some point (as buffers change?  when
 gary> vm automatically POPs in the background?), the menu is
 gary> overwritten with 1/2 of the vm Toolbar -- and never returns to
 gary> what it should be.  If, using the Options we put the Toolbar on
 gary> the bottom or the right, it appears correctly, but placing at
 gary> the Top results in a completely "scrunched" Toolbar and on the
 gary> Left is the 1/2 VM Toolbar.

I have a bit more info.  The problem does not occur if you leave the
toolbar at the top of the frame.  

THIS MAY BE IT:  The toolbar seems to lose it when using compile
mode.  Compile mode has some other problems (a seperate mailing), but
when looking at the code, I noticed that it is loading the
menu/toolbar.  I'm sorry I don't have as much time as I used to --
this would be one I'd love to look in detail.

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From: Mark Osbourne <marko@lexis-nexis.com>
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Everytime I exit XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.3 I get a syslog message
that says:

	syslog: ioctl: I_SETSIG failed 22

I thought I remembered a discussion just after this message started
showing up in 19.13 saying that the problem had been fixed in 19.14.
It's not a big problem, just wondering if I configured something
wrong, or if my Solaris 2.3 box is not up to the correct patch levels.

(emacs-version) reports:

"XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.3) of Tue Jun 25 1996 on pepperoni"

And the configure options were:

../configure  sparc-sun-solaris2.3 \
	--x-includes=/usr/openwin/include \
	--x-libraries=/usr/openwin/lib \
	--site-includes="/home/dragon/marko/ftpmail/xpm-3.4a/sun5 /home/dragon/marko/sound/demo.sun5/include /serve/SUNWmotif/include" \
	--site-libraries="/home/dragon/marko/ftpmail/xpm-3.4a/sun5 /serve/SUNWmotif/lib" \
	--with-xpm \
	--with-sound=native \
	--native-sound-lib=/home/dragon/marko/sound/demo.sun5/lib/libaudio.a \
	--with-tooltalk \
	--with-sparcworks \
	--with-gif

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From: Bill McGrory <mcgrory@bach.aerosoft.vt.edu>
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I ran into a problem trying to do command completion with 19.14 with
IRIX 5.3. If I typed

		M-x help- TAB

then I got message

		Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

So, I went looking for hkey-help-show, and found it in hmouse-drv.el
in the hyperbole package. if i insert a 

		(require 'hmouse-drv)

in my .emacs, then all is well and it puts up the *Completions* buffer

My question. Do I have something else screwed up, so that it's
supposed to include hmouse-drv by default, and this isn't happening,
or is this a bug.

Thanks for the help

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I am having lot of problems with 19.14:

1. I downloaded the src and compiled it on:
	uname -a  : SunOS disclosur 4.1.4 2 sun4c
   Xemacs crashes when ever I try to run it.
   Whats the problem ????

2. I got binaries and common stuff and installed. This one runs but behaves
strangely compared to 19.13. First of all I have a statement like 
(load-default-sounds) in my .emacs. It used to work for 19.13 but doesnt work for
19.14. The other annoying problem is when I set font, size and weight and save
options.. when I restart Xemacs, none of them are reflected. But they are
reflected in 19.13

3. Both VM and GNUS are very slow.. any hints to speeden them.. gnus was very
fast in 19.13

Could anyone help me out please
Thanks
- Sobhan
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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:

    Raymond> BTW, why aren't the precompiled binaries stripped ?  I
    Raymond> can see no use for debugging symbols in binary
    Raymond> distributions, whereas it takes a lot of space and
    Raymond> bandwidth.

    Steven> If you think you don't need the symbols, strip them
    Steven> yourself.

No, do NOT strip them yourself.  You cannot strip a dumped image.
This means that you cannot strip a binary kit since we do not include
the undumped binaries.

Everything else Steven said is right on the money, though.  The
symbols don't cost you anything except some disk space but they can be
a big aid for debugging.



			-Chuck

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: Multiple frames on a tty?
Date: 26 Jun 1996 08:11:17 -0500
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> One of the features that should have gotten to 19.14 was
    Hrvoje> support for multiple frames on a single tty
    Hrvoje> device. However, I do not see this support. C-x 5 2 gives
    Hrvoje> me error "Only one frame allowed on TTY devices", whereas
    Hrvoje> the info claims that:

    Hrvoje> This is from 19.14 "lispref":

    Hrvoje> I do not see how this can be done (and I do not count on
    Hrvoje> things like gnuattach -- I would like to have more frames
    Hrvoje> on *one* tty-device), as documented.



The documentation is wrong.  We did not get this implemented for
19.14.  Party line:  We'll try for the next release.



			-Chuck

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Hi there,

i've switched to Xemacs-19.14 on DEC-ALPHA OSF1 V3.2 and everything works 
great except for three things:

1) I don't want to have the toolbar in Xemacs. So I use the lines that 
save-options wrote in the .emacs.options file. Unfortunately Xemacs-19.14 
(and 19.13 as well) comes up with a frame which height is calculated 
_including_ the toolbar. Removing the toolbar in .emacs now leads to a 
redraw of the frame with reduced height :-(

2) I start Xemacs with a -fn argument:
-fn -*-Fixed-Medium-R-*-*-*-130-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
Xemacs-19.14 (but not 19.13) comes up with a standard font and switches 
to my argument after going thru the .emacs file. This leads (guess what) 
to a redraw of the whole frame. Any other way to set _all_ fonts to this 
default, maybe in .Xdefaults?

Therefore I end up with two redraws of the frame before Xemacs starts. 
Very annoying since it slows down the loading even more.

3) I change the value of modeline-format to have a shorter display in the 
modeline. After 
(setq-default modeline-format my-modeline-format)
the colors don't work anymore. Even when I explicitly set them again they 
are not used. Under Options/Edit Faces I still get the right ones.

Anything that can be done about this?
TIA,
Thomas

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs reference card
Date: 26 Jun 1996 08:22:02 -0500
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>>>>> "Vivek" == Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

    Vivek> There is a cool reference card for GNU Emacs version 19.
    Vivek> Most but not all of the information is applicable to
    Vivek> Xemacs. Is there an Xemacs reference card, or a plan to
    Vivek> make one? Thanks.

XEmacs, not Xemacs.

refcard.tex in the etc directory of the XEmacs distribution was
updated for XEmacs by Ben Wing.  I'll try and get .dvi and .ps
versions available on the ftp site.



			-Chuck

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From: andywil@bnr.ca (Andrew Wilson)
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Subject: 19.14 compile errors on HP-UX 9.05
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In the interest of getting a little help or defining some problems if
there are any here what I found when trying to compile on hp-ux
9.05. I'm using gcc 2.7 that we built here as well.

First of all configure couldn't evaluate the sizeof (short, long or
int), from my limited knowledge it didn't appear to produce the
conftest.h file for these steps. I found that I could generate the
test program manually for these steps and insert the values (hard
coded them) into the configure routine.

When configure completed the make generates the following errors...

[12:59] andywil bireh058:UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src : gcc -Demacs
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src
-I/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src
-I/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src -g -O
-I/bnr/OSF-Motif-1.2.4/usr/include -I/usr/include/X11R5
-I/usr/include/Motif1.2 -o gnuserv
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c
gnuslib.o -L/bnr/OSF-Motif-1.2.4/usr/lib -lXbsd -L/usr/lib/X11R5
-L/usr/lib/Motif1.2 -lXau

/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c: In
function `timed_read':
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:385:
warning: passing arg 2 of `select' from incompatible pointer type
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c: In
function `main':
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:804:
`LLITOUT' undeclared (first use this function)
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:804:
(Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:804:
for each function it appears in.)
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:805:
`TIOCLBIS' undeclared (first use this function)
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:834:
warning: passing arg 2 of `select' from incompatible pointer type
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:834:
warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type
/bnr/users/andywil/Software/UNIX/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:834:
warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type

Could these be related to my earlier configure problem or is it
something else?

Thanks,


...Andy

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>>>>> "VA" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

VA> In article <kigivcfoief.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic
VA> <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>> 19.14 does not analyze the screen terminfo entry/TERMCAP variable

VA> And neither did 19.13. They read TERM, but not the fkey
VA> descriptions in TERMCAP

Really?  I know FSF Emacs pulls out the fkeys.  I would be surprised
if XEmacs didn't.

Some checking indicates you appear to be right.  Suckage.

>> but when setting TERM to screen,

VA> You shouldn't. Leave it to what screen sets it, namely
VA> "vt100". screen is not a type of terminal, it provides vt100
VA> emulation over any reasonable terminal. 

>From screen(1):

       In each window's environment screen opens, the $TERM vari-
       able  is set to "screen" by default.  But when no descrip-
       tion for "screen" is installed in  the  local  termcap  or
       terminfo data base, you set $TERM to - say - "vt100".

VA> Eg lynx: it only compares TERM to vt100 and refuses to
VA> run otherwise.

Wrong again.  Unless you have a _very_ broken compile of lynx, it uses
curses, which does all the terms defines in termcap or terminfo.  Just
for giggles, I tried 

TERM=h19 lynx

and it worked.

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From: andywil@bnr.ca (Andrew Wilson)
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I didn't have these problems when I used HPs native cc compiler
through the '--with-gcc=no' configure directive.

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In article <545ybldgvyz.fsf@grind>,
Vinnie Shelton   <shelton@icd.teradyne.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the new release.  I've found 2 problems with it so far:
>
>1) a minor nit:
>
>Using the pre-built solaris-2.4 executable (on both Solaris 2.3 and 2.5),
>I get the following error shortly after startup:
>
>Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Bitmap' conversion.

I noticed this too and traced it back to a "Emacs*IconPixmap:" line in my
.Xdefaults file.  I commented out the line and updated my resource database
and the warning went away.

[stuff deleted]

>
>Vin Shelton
>
>-- 
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>but the tears on her cheeks are from laughter
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>>>>> "Chan" == C Chan <chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu> writes:

    Chan> I had a helluva time with XEmacs 19.13 under linux-1.3.xx;
    Chan> it would just freeze up and take up all the CPU time. I
    Chan> recompiled w/o optimizations under gcc-2.7.2 and it's been
    Chan> solid ever since.

This was caused by a bug in gcc not XEmacs.  If you compile anything
w/ gcc 2.7.2 and optomization make sure you compile with the
-fno-strength-reduce flag or get the patched version of gcc.


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Hi,

it looks like gnus can have a toolbar with xemacs, but I can't get it
to show up.  Can anybody tell me how to setup correctly?

Thanks,
Jens Krinke
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From: Lars Hecking <lhecking@krakow.nmrc.ucc.ie>
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"Todd C. Huss" <thuss@gnu.uvm.edu> writes:


   Is there by chance a way to build SOCKS support into XEmacs so that I
   can use the networking functionality behind our firewall?


Try the --with-socks option with configure. Hints for different platforms
are in PROBLEMS and etc/MACHINES.
If your platformrm is SunOS4.1.3_U1, you may email me for hints. I finally
managed to make socks support work and am posting this from my latest
executable ...

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From: Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no>
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Subject: Compilation mode bug fix :-)
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I previously reported problems with the compile-goto-error function in
compilation mode. The problem was that XEmacs was unable to find the
source file containing the error, and hence popped up a dialogue box
prompting you for the file name each time you clicked an error message.

I have now located the source of the problem. The problem seems to be
located in the variable compilation-error-regexp-alist which is used to
extract the error messages from the compiler output. The regular
expressions have been modified in version 19.14, and now incorrectly return
the filename with the surrounding quotes (e.g., "\"file.c\"" instead of
"file.c").

The problem seems to be the new definition for IRIX 5.2.
    ;; jwz:
    ;; IRIX 5.2
    ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
    (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)

This definition takes preceedence over the definition below.
    ;; Apollo cc, 4.3BSD fc:
    ;;	"foo.f", line 3: Error: syntax error near end of statement
    ;; IBM RS6000:
    ;;  "vvouch.c", line 19.5: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
    ;; Unknown compiler:
    ;;  File "foobar.ml", lines 5-8, characters 20-155: blah blah
    ;; Microtec mcc68k:
    ;;  "foo.c", line 32 pos 1; (E) syntax error; unexpected symbol: "lossage"
    ;; GNAT (as of July 94): 
    ;;  "foo.adb", line 2(11): warning: file name does not match ...
    ("\"\\([^,\" \n\t]+\\)\", lines? \\([0-9]+\\)[:., (-]" 1 2)


To fix the problem to edit the file
lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/compile.el and comment out the IRIX 5.2
defintion (line 195). 

Remember to do a (byte-compile-file "compile.el") after editing the
file. (i.e., type "M-x byte-compile-file" and answer "compile.el" at
the "Byte compile file:" prompt)

Of course, this is not a solution for people using the IRIX 5.2
compiler as well... Maybe someone from the XEmacs development team can
provide a better solution?


Happy compiling...

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Subject: Re: Font-locking on tty-s with 19.14
Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:08:51 +0200
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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
> In article <kigwx0wnilv.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > I have compiled XEmacs 19.14 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5, but cannot get
> > font-locking to work on tty-s as it used to in 19.13.
> If xemacs thinks your tty is ANSI color, it will probably use
> font-lock-use-colors. Anf if your screen is B&W, that won't do much good.
> call M-x font-lock-use-default-fonts.
> What tty are you using?

No, even if non-colorness is guessed correctly, it still doesn't work
properly. Check out the "More font-lock problems..." thread.

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Subject: Re: More tty font-lock problems
Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:07:38 +0200
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Christopher Davis (ckd@loiosh.kei.com) wrote:
> Well, I suspect it's just a case of the defaults changing to make them
> look better on color ttys, and in the process being less useful on mono
> ttys.  (Yes, this is arguably a bug, and certainly a drawback.)

Then I'll try to fix this and submit the 19.13 defaults for mono tty-s
as a patch for 19.14. But what puzzles me is that I cannot find where
the tty defaults are set in *19.13*. I can find the same stuff in
font-lock.el of both versions, the 2-3 lines exactly matching those in
default.emacs. So I still don't know how 19.13 did its magic and why
it broke.

I used to brag to GNU Emacs/vim/vi/joe users about XEmacs being able
to work perfect font-locking on plain tty-s out of the box. It can do
it no longer.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:

    Peter> Can one display X-Faces inline while reading mail with mh-e?

(autoload 'smiley-region "smiley")

(defun my-highlight-headers ()
  (highlight-headers (point-min) (point-max) t)
  (smiley-region (point-min) (point-max)))

(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook 'my-highlight-headers)

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kyriacou stelios wrote:
> 
> In article <31D035A6.6231@dna406.dna.mci.com>,
> David Hinz  <dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com> wrote:
> >I'm running 19.14 on DEC UNIX 3.2c and I've encountered the following
> >bug:
> >
> >If you have a file checked from RCS and make changes in Xemacs then try
> >and use the VC pulldown and checkin the file you will get a window
> >asking if you want to revert the changes to the file. If you select
> >cancel or no then file is reverted anyway and you lose your changes.
> 
> I remember a very similar (maybe same) annoying bug in vc even for 19.12 or 19.13.
> For this reason i do not use vc that much.
> Stelios

I used VC with RCS on 19.13 all the time and never encountered the above
problem. I was very surprised when it didn't work. 

dave.


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Just wanted to pass along the following info. I used to set my
c-style-alist with the name "Bob" which worked in v13. This broke when I
upgraded to v14 and I finally figured out that it doesn't like the capital
"B" in the name, so I just renamed "Bob" -> "bob". Don't know if anyone
else is having this problem, but try it if you are...

-Bob (ooops, I mean bob :-)

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Hi,

I recently got XEMACS 19.14 and am really happy with it for the most part.

Except for when I try to list all the newsgroups under the newsreader.  It
prints out all the groups but they aren't in any particular order.  It would
be nice if they were at least in alphabetical order.

Is there a way to set it up so that I can get the newsgroups listed alphabeitcally?

Thanks in advance.

R. Bidemi Temidire

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I have this code for func-menu

 
;;; func-menu is a package that scans your source file for function definitions
;;; and makes a menubar entry that lets you jump to any particular function
;;; definition by selecting it from the menu.  The following code turns this on
;;; for all of the recognized languages.  Scanning the buffer takes some time,
;;; but not much.
;;;
(cond ((string-match "Lucid" emacs-version)
       (require 'func-menu)
       (define-key global-map 'f8 'function-menu)
       (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
       (define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)
       (define-key global-map '(shift button3) 'mouse-function-menu)
       (define-key global-map '(button3) 'mouse-function-menu)
       ;; some customization variables
       (setq fume-menubar-menu-location nil)
       (setq fume-index-method 3)
       ))


But this gets executed by default whenever I open a C file and its very slow because it has to do lot of scannign . I would like to have a (add-menu-item ... ) so that when I click there, it scans the current buffer and loads the fujc-menu..

Help please..
Thanks
- Sobhan

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19.14 seems pretty cool to me so far. As a novice xemacs user, I'm
trying to figure out how (or if) I can make the menu and toolbar
versions of the open file command display information in the current frame,
like the C-x C-f command does.

Any help would be appreciated.


-- 
George J. Karabin




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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Rick Baartman (krab@triumf.ca) wrote:
> 	I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services Group
> here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of things that
> xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that regular gnu emacs
> does not.
> 	I need to convince them or they won't install version 19.14 for me. I
> myself don't have the disk space.

The list from the news file *has* to knock them down. Here it is:

     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets

Then, there is the stuff from 19.13-19.14 differences:

-- Color support in TTY mode is provided.  You have to have a TTY capable
   of displaying them, such as color xterm or the console under Linux.
   If your terminal type supports colors (e.g. `xterm-color'), XEmacs
   will automatically notice this and start using color.

-- blink-cursor-mode enables a blinking text cursor.  There is a
   menubar option for this also.

-- auto-show-mode is turned on by default; this means that XEmacs
   will automatically scroll a window horizontally as necessary to
   keep point in view.

-- a file dialog box is provided and will be used whenever you
   are prompted for a filename as a result of a menubar selection.

-- XEmacs can be compiled with built-in GIF, JPEG, and PNG support.
   The GIF libraries are supplied with XEmacs; for JPEG and PNG,
   you have to obtain the appropriate libraries (this is well-
   documented).  This makes image display much easier and faster under
   W3 (the web browser) and TM (adds MIME support to VM and GNUS;
   not yet included with XEmacs but will be in 19.15).

-- XEmacs provides a really nice mode (PSGML with "Wing improvements")
   for editing HTML and other SGML documents.  It parses the document,
   and as a result it does proper indentation, can show you the context
   you're in, the allowed tags at a particular position, etc.

-- XEmacs comes standard with modes for editing Java and VRML code,
   including font-lock support.

-- GNUS 5.2 comes standard with XEmacs.

-- You can now embed colors in the modeline, with different sections
   of the modeline responding appropriately to various mouse gestures:
   For example, clicking on the "read-only" indicator toggles the
   read-only status of a buffer, and clicking on the buffer name
   cycles to the next buffer.  Pressing button3 on these areas brings
   up a popup menu of appropriate commands.

-- There is a much nicer mode for completion lists and such.
   At the minibuffer prompt, if you hit page-up or Meta-V, the completion
   buffer will be displayed (if it wasn't already), you're moved into
   it, and can move around and select filenames using the arrow keys
   and the return key.  Rather than a cursor, a filename is highlighted,
   and the arrow keys change which filename is highlighted.

-- The edit-faces subsystem has also been much improved, in somewhat
   similar ways to the completion list improvements.

-- Many improvements were made to the multi-device support.
   We now provide an auxiliary utility called "gnuattach" that
   lets you connect to an existing XEmacs process and display
   a TTY frame on the current TTY connection, and commands
   `make-frame-on-display' (with a corresponding menubar entry)
   and `make-frame-on-tty' for more easily creating frames on
   new TTY or X connections.

-- We have incorporated nearly all of the functionality of GNU Emacs
   19.30 into XEmacs.  This includes support for lazy-loaded
   byte code and documentation strings, improved paragraph filling,
   better support for margins within documents, v19 regular expression
   routines (including caching of compiled regexps), etc.

-- In accordance with GNU Emacs 19.30, the following key binding
   changes have been made:

   C-x ESC -> C-x ESC ESC
   ESC ESC -> ESC :
   ESC ESC ESC is "abort anything" (keyboard-escape-quit).

-- All major packages have been updated to their latest-released
   versions.

-- XEmacs now gracefully handles a full colormap (such as typically
   results when running Netscape).  The nearest available color
   is automatically substituted.

-- Many bug fixes to the subprocess/PTY code, ps-print, menubar
   functions, `set-text-properties', DEC Alpha support, toolbar
   resizing (the "phantom VM toolbar" bug), and lots and lots
   of other things were made.

-- The ncurses library (a replacement for curses, found especially
   under Linux) is supported, and will be automatically used
   if it can be found.

-- You can now undo in the minibuffer.

-- Surrogate minibuffers now work.  These are also sometimes referred
   to as "global" minibuffers.

-- font-lock has been merged with GNU Emacs 19.30, improved defaults
   have been added, and changes have been made to the way it is
   configured.

-- Many, many modes have menubar entries for them.

-- `recover-session' lets you recover whatever files can be recovered
   after your XEmacs process has died unexpectedly.

-- C-h k followed by a toolbar button press correctly reports
   the binding of the toolbar button.

-- `function-key-map', `key-translation-map', and `keyboard-translate-table'
   are now correctly implemented.

-- `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
   removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
   Help).

-- There is a standard menubar entry for specifying which browser
   (Netscape, W3, Mosaic, etc.) to use when dispatching URL's
   in mail, Usenet news, etc.

-- Improved native sound support under Linux.


If all of this is not enough to convince them, then they are in
perfect accordance with my signature.

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>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

 [...]

 bpm> Questions: 1) How to get the URL to go to netscape from GNUS?
 bpm> The option flag didn't help.

 Christopher> The option should help; you are clicking button2 on the
 Christopher> URL, right?

 [...]

I had the same problem: pressing mouse-2 on an URL did not start
netscape although all settings were right. The solution, at least sort
of, was that there are versions of netscape which do not work with the
option flag. All NS2.01 at my site just return some random characters
and exit immediately. 

Holger

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Using xemacs 19.12, running `make install' produces a lot of .elc files
in the style directory. The command is (according to the Makefile)

xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
... all the files in the style directory ...

Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc files?

Regards


Stefan




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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs 19.14 - fixes "Save Options" bug!!
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Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmii.com) wrote:
> One question though - yellow for language keywords in font-lock?  Ick!

I join the icking! :-)

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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John Turner (turner@gielgud.lanl.gov) wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cool if VM and Gnus could query xmcd, find out that info,
> and insert it in a message, like:
> Now playing:
>  Zappa / Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar, Disc 2 / Ship Ahoy

You mean like a random sig? You can do something like this in your
.gnus:

;; Add current-sig to message-signature-setup-hook
(add-hook 'message-signature-setup-hook 'xmcd-set-signature)

And write a function like this and also put it in .gnus:

(defun xmcd-query-song ()
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (get-buffer-create "*xmcd query*"))
    ;; Change the first-arg, second-arg, etc. with arguments to xmcd
    (if (/= (call-process "xmcd" nil (current-buffer) nil
			  "first-arg" "second-arg")
	    0)
	(error "xmcd returned with non-zero exit status.")
      ;; Now you are at the end of a buffer
      ;; You can use buffer-movement commands and buffer-substring
      ;; to get the values you need to message-signature
      ;;
      ;; An example:
      (setq message-signature
	    (concat "Now playing:\n"
		    (buffer-substring (point-min) (point-max)))
	))))

Replace the arguments with true arguments necessary for xmcd and
enjoy. Since I am *not* a lisp guru, let the readers correct me if I
have made a mistake.

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To: spadamat@fore.com (Sobhan K Padamati), xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: help with lisp code for func-menu

At 14:42 26/06/96 GMT, Sobhan K Padamati wrote:
>
>But this gets executed by default whenever I open a C file and its very
slow >because it has to do lot of scannign . I would like to have a
(add-menu-item >... ) so that when I click there, it scans the current
buffer and loads the >fujc-menu..
>

This is already on my To Do list so be patient.

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I've compiled 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3 on SParc.

A minor nuisance is that about 60% of the time, when I click the middle
button over a line in the *Hyper Apropos* buffer, I get a beep and the
message

Marker does not point anywhere

Here is the backtrace:

Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
  pos-visible-in-window-p(1 #<window on "*Hyper Help*" 0xd86>)
  shrink-window-if-larger-than-buffer(#<window on "*Hyper Help*" 0xd86>)
  hypropos-get-doc(Info-handle-in-note)
  hypropos-mouse-get-doc(#<buttondown-event button2>)
  call-interactively(hypropos-mouse-get-doc)


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Subject: 19.14 info manuals less useful?
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This is mostly subjective. In upgrading some elisp that broke moving
from 19.13 to 19.14, I found that the info manual doesn't seem to be
finding descriptions of functions.

For example C-h C-f set-frame-properties gives me the message 

No "set-frame-properties" in index

This has happened with most of the functions I tried to hit, while my
memory of 19.13 (which used C-h C-i) seemed to find what I wanted all of
the time.

Now of course there is also C-h C-c which looks in a different manual.
And there are many functions that are only documented in their
documentation string.

What we need is a combined command that looks in all of the info manuals
and the documentation string and displays the best answer.

Another thing that would be really useful is something that would search
all of the info indices using a regexp rather than a completed name (and
stopping at the first hit) and display the first hit.

Are answers to some of my questions already available in 19.14?

Thanks
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Subject: Fatal error (11)

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i486-unknown-linuxoldld1.1.54) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on pie

To reproduce:

start Xemacs -q

M-x w3-fetch
http://www.lucent.com

then the crash.

The only configuration option given was --run-in-place
(report-emacs-bug) seems to have a bug to <G>).

Here is what GDB says:

#0  0x600305cc in _end ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x600305cc in _end ()
#1  0xbfffe6a8 in _end ()
#2  0xbfffe710 in _end ()
#3  0xd6e40 in realloc (ptr=0x5a0000, size=1040) at gmalloc.c:1216
#4  0xb9b in xrealloc (block=0x5a0000, size=1040) at alloc.c:394
#5  0x59201 in DGifGetImageDesc (GifFile=0x559800) at dgif_lib.c:335
#6  0xbda98 in our_own_dgif_slurp_from_gif2x11_c (GifFile=0x559800)
    at glyphs-x.c:1638
#7  0xbdd65 in gif_instantiate (image_instance=274044992, 
    instantiator=1079287072, pointer_fg=270290948, pointer_bg=270290948, 
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs-x.c:1750
#8  0x5b54e in instantiate_image_instantiator (device=271026944, 
    instantiator=1079287072, pointer_fg=270290948, pointer_bg=270290948, 
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs.c:506
#9  0x5d25a in image_instantiate (specifier=274045440, matchspec=270090980, 
    domain=270803968, instantiator=1079287072, depth=1) at glyphs.c:1636
#10 0x29931 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x5cf28 <image_instantiate>, nargs=5, 
    args=0xbfffe960) at eval.c:3492
#11 0x27b61 in call_with_suspended_errors (fun=0x5cf28 <image_instantiate>, 
    retval=270090980, class=270391588, errb=ERROR_ME, nargs=5) at eval.c:2165
#12 0x9cbcc in specifier_instance_from_inst_list (specifier=274045440, 
    matchspec=270090980, domain=270803968, inst_list=542669388, errb=ERROR_ME, 
    no_quit=0, depth=1) at specifier.c:2354
#13 0x9ced5 in specifier_instance (specifier=274045440, matchspec=270090980, 
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    domain=270803968, errb=ERROR_ME, no_quit=0, no_fallback=0, depth=0)
    at specifier.c:2467
#14 0x9d057 in Fspecifier_instance (specifier=274045440, domain=270290948, 
    defalt=270290948, no_fallback=270290948) at specifier.c:2559
#15 0x2990d in primitive_funcall (fn=0x9cfec <Fspecifier_instance>, nargs=4, 
    args=0xbfffead0) at eval.c:3490
#16 0x29ad4 in funcall_subr (subr=0x193c60, args=0xbfffead0) at eval.c:3526
#17 0x291b9 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270400980, nargs=2, 
    args=0xbfffeb2c) at eval.c:3207
#18 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffeb2c) at eval.c:3253
#19 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809724568, vector=1078265216, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#20 0x298e9 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xbf44 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbfffec00) at eval.c:3488
#21 0x29ad4 in funcall_subr (subr=0xf12fc, args=0xbfffec00) at eval.c:3526
#22 0x28ea2 in Feval (form=539762156) at eval.c:3064
#23 0x271ef in condition_case_1 (handlers=539762036, bfun=0x2898c <Feval>, 
    barg=539762156, hfun=0x2724c <run_condition_case_handlers>, harg=270290948)
    at eval.c:1672
#24 0x27387 in Fcondition_case_3 (bodyform=539762156, var=270290948, 
    handlers=539762036) at eval.c:1735
#25 0xc918 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809724868, vector=1077964800, maxdepth=12)
    at bytecode.c:655
#26 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272995940, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xbfffee14)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at eval.c:3636
#27 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272997244, nargs=2, 
    args=0xbfffee10) at eval.c:3223
#28 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffee10) at eval.c:3253
#29 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809722244, vector=1078341376, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#30 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272995780, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xbfffefc0)
    at eval.c:3636
#31 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272997196, nargs=2, 
    args=0xbfffefbc) at eval.c:3223
#32 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbfffefbc) at eval.c:3253
#33 0x296f3 in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xbfffefbc) at eval.c:3410
#34 0x2915e in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270378788, nargs=4, 
    args=0xbfffefb8) at eval.c:3191
#35 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xbfffefb8) at eval.c:3253
#36 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=807568792, vector=1078267488, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#37 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272324068, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xbffff0c4)
    at eval.c:3636
#38 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272667588, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff0c0) at eval.c:3223
#39 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbffff0c0) at eval.c:3253
#40 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809721896, vector=1078341312, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#41 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272995812, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xbffff26c)
    at eval.c:3636
#42 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272997172, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff268) at eval.c:3223
#43 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbffff268) at eval.c:3253
#44 0x2971c in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xbffff268) at eval.c:3415
#45 0x2915e in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270378788, nargs=4, 
    args=0xbffff264) at eval.c:3191
#46 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xbffff264) at eval.c:3253
#47 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=807568792, vector=1078267488, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#48 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272324068, nargs=3, arg_vector=0xbffff370)
    at eval.c:3636
#49 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272667588, nargs=4, 
    args=0xbffff36c) at eval.c:3223
#50 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xbffff36c) at eval.c:3253
#51 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=807568396, vector=1078267424, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#52 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272323748, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xbffff484)
    at eval.c:3636
#53 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272667636, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff480) at eval.c:3223
#54 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbffff480) at eval.c:3253
#55 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809806200, vector=1077965312, maxdepth=7)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at bytecode.c:450
#56 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=272665220, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xbffff638)
    at eval.c:3636
#57 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=273036468, nargs=2, 
    args=0xbffff634) at eval.c:3223
#58 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbffff634) at eval.c:3253
#59 0x2971c in Fapply (nargs=2, args=0xbffff634) at eval.c:3415
#60 0x2915e in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270378788, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff630) at eval.c:3191
#61 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbffff630) at eval.c:3253
#62 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=810112708, vector=1078640544, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#63 0x298e9 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xbf44 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff704) at eval.c:3488
#64 0x29ad4 in funcall_subr (subr=0xf12fc, args=0xbffff704) at eval.c:3526
#65 0x28ea2 in Feval (form=541133540) at eval.c:3064
#66 0x261bf in Fprogn (args=541133284) at eval.c:746
#67 0xc89a in Fbyte_code (bytestr=810098716, vector=1078631808, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:633
#68 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=273326596, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xbffff890)
    at eval.c:3636
#69 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=273281676, nargs=2, 
    args=0xbffff88c) at eval.c:3223
#70 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xbffff88c) at eval.c:3253
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#71 0xc4aa in Fbyte_code (bytestr=810112144, vector=1078434048, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#72 0x29e24 in funcall_lambda (fun=273326628, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xbffff99c)
    at eval.c:3636
#73 0x29267 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272899588, nargs=3, 
    args=0xbffff998) at eval.c:3223
#74 0x292af in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xbffff998) at eval.c:3253
#75 0x2a4d2 in call2 (fn=272899588, arg0=272864768, arg1=810004440)
    at eval.c:4010
#76 0x2b227 in catch_them_squirmers_call2 (cons=542474076) at eval.c:4542
#77 0x271ef in condition_case_1 (handlers=270291044, 
    bfun=0x2b1fc <catch_them_squirmers_call2>, barg=542474076, 
    hfun=0x2ab6c <caught_a_squirmer>, harg=270371808) at eval.c:1672
#78 0x2b4d3 in call2_trapping_errors (
    warning_string=0x7b1ec "Error in process sentinel", function=272899588, 
    object1=272864768, object2=810004440) at eval.c:4606
#79 0x7b270 in exec_sentinel (proc=272864768, reason=810004440)
    at process.c:2055
#80 0x7ba48 in status_notify () at process.c:2480
#81 0x336b2 in execute_internal_event (event=270662100) at event-stream.c:2809
#82 0x34b0a in Fdispatch_event (event=270662100) at event-stream.c:3820
#83 0x11b76 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:542
#84 0x119e7 in command_loop_1 (dummy=270290948) at cmdloop.c:462
#85 0x271ef in condition_case_1 (handlers=270291044, 
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    bfun=0x119cc <command_loop_1>, barg=270290948, hfun=0x1142c <cmd_error>, 
    harg=270290948) at eval.c:1672
#86 0x1152e in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:224
#87 0x11554 in command_loop_2 (dummy=270290948) at cmdloop.c:235
#88 0x26e95 in internal_catch (tag=270368164, func=0x1154c <command_loop_2>, 
    arg=270290948, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#89 0x116f2 in initial_command_loop (load_me=270290948) at cmdloop.c:273
#90 0x248c5 in main_1 (argc=2, argv=0xbffffd2c, envp=0xbffffd38)
    at emacs.c:1317
#91 0x24c83 in main (argc=2, argv=0xbffffd2c, envp=0xbffffd38) at emacs.c:1461
(gdb) quit


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Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca> writes:
> 	I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services Group
> here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of things that
> xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that regular gnu emacs
> does not.

In addition to the other posts, how about:

XEmacs is way, way, way faster in a multi-window environment.

When I start up emacs 19.3x and say "C-x 5 2" about 6 times, it takes close
to a minute.  With XEmacs, it takes about as long as it takes for me to hit
the keys. 

This is because, unlike the people who program GNU Emacs, the people at
XEmacs actually know how to program in Motif.  GNU Emacs actually
re-instantiates the X Application Context, which is one of the stupidest (and
slowest) things I've ever seen any programmer do.

-- 
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Bob R. Gupta (bobg@moon) wrote:
> Just wanted to pass along the following info. I used to set my
> c-style-alist with the name "Bob" which worked in v13. This broke when I
> upgraded to v14 and I finally figured out that it doesn't like the capital
> "B" in the name, so I just renamed "Bob" -> "bob". Don't know if anyone
> else is having this problem, but try it if you are...

This looks like a c-mode thing, not an XEmacs thing. The version of
cc-mode in 19.14 is 4.282, whereas 19.13 used cc-mode version 4.241.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Now playing...
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John Turner (turner@gielgud.lanl.gov) wrote:
> Wouldn't it be cool if VM and Gnus could query xmcd, find out that info,
> and insert it in a message, like:
> Now playing:
>  Zappa / Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar, Disc 2 / Ship Ahoy

You mean like a random sig? You can do something like this in your
.gnus:

;; Add current-sig to message-signature-setup-hook
(add-hook 'message-signature-setup-hook 'xmcd-set-signature)

And write a function like this and also put it in .gnus:

(defun xmcd-query-song ()
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (get-buffer-create "*xmcd query*"))
    ;; Change the first-arg, second-arg, etc. with arguments to xmcd
    (if (/= (call-process "xmcd" nil (current-buffer) nil
			  "first-arg" "second-arg")
	    0)
	(error "xmcd returned with non-zero exit status.")
      ;; Now you are at the end of a buffer
      ;; You can use buffer-movement commands and buffer-substring
      ;; to get the values you need to message-signature
      ;;
      ;; An example:
      (setq message-signature
	    (concat "Now playing:\n"
		    (buffer-substring (point-min) (point-max)))
	))))

Replace the arguments with true arguments necessary for xmcd and
enjoy. Since I am *not* a lisp guru, let the readers correct me if I
have made a mistake.

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From: chinay@booboo.cig.mot.com (Albert Chin-A-Young)
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Subject: Xemacs 19.14 crash on SunOS 4.1.3, gcc
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My setup:
	SunOS 4.1.3
	Sparc 10
	gcc 2.7.2

The problem has to do something with '--dynamic'. When things are
built statically, everything works.

Configure line:
./configure --prefix=/usr/test/fstest/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/xemacs
--with-gcc --cflags=-g --with-gnu-make --dynamic=yes
--x-libraries=/usr/misc/X11R5/lib --x-includes=/usr/misc/X11R5/include
--site-includes=/usr/misc/include --site-libraries=/usr/misc/lib
--with-menubars=lucid --with-scrollbars=lucid --with-dialogs=lucid
--with-tooltalk=no --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png
--with-database="dbm,berkdb"

GDB backtrace:
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.15.1 (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3), 
Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libXaw.so.5.0...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libXpm.so.4.7...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/lib/libz.so.1.0.2...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libXmu.so.4.10...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libXt.so.4.10...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libXext.so.4.10...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/misc/X11R5/lib/libX11.so.4.10...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0...done.
#0  0xef68aff8 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0xef68aff8 in kill ()
#1  0x44f88 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x1634dc in EmacsXtCvtStringToPixel (dpy=0x333000, args=0xefffcb28, 
    num_args=0xefffcb10, fromVal=0xefffdc48, toVal=0xefffdc40, 
    closure_ret=0xefffcab0) at event-Xt.c:2450
#4  0xef741380 in _XtCallConverter ()
#5  0xef741658 in _XtConvert ()
#6  0xef756148 in GetResources ()
#7  0xef756568 in _XtGetResources ()
#8  0xef7463cc in _XtCreate ()
#9  0xef746cb0 in _XtAppCreateShell ()
#10 0xef746ce0 in XtAppCreateShell ()
#11 0x156aa4 in x_init_device (d=0x3a0900, props=271503364) at device-x.c:254
#12 0x34498 in Fmake_device (type=271604484, connection=271503364, 
    props=271503364) at device.c:591
#13 0x4f514 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x341dc <Fmake_device>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefffea40) at eval.c:3488
#14 0x4fae8 in funcall_subr (subr=0x2167f8, args=0xefffea40) at eval.c:3526
#15 0x4e5a0 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=271587860, nargs=2, 
    args=0xefffeb58) at eval.c:3204
#16 0x4e7e4 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefffeb58) at eval.c:3253
#17 0x198dc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=807620916, vector=1076056392, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#18 0x5010c in funcall_lambda (fun=270750040, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefffee1c)
    at eval.c:3636
#19 0x4e620 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=271978956, nargs=1, 
    args=0xefffee18) at eval.c:3210
#20 0x4e7e4 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffee18) at eval.c:3253

-- 
albert chin (RC cola)
-- 
albert chin (RC cola)

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Date: 26 Jun 1996 18:14:05 +0200
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Bidemi Temidire (bidemit@coop1.Newbridge.com) wrote:
> Is there a way to set it up so that I can get the newsgroups listed
> alphabeitcally?

Yes, there are all kinds of sorting. Look at the Groups menu, sort
submenu.

Or press C-h m and search for sort commands.

-- 
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From: kanze@lts.sel.alcatel.de (James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763)
Subject: Re: kpathsearch implementation?
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In article <axivcgrtmz.fsf@terminus.cs.umb.edu> kb@cs.umb.edu () writes:

|>     I was wondering if anyone knew of an implementation of the kpathsearch
|>     library in emacs.  

|> I highly doubt it.

|>     I would like emacs lisp functions that provide versions of getenv (or
|>     of parse-colon-path) that incorporate this sort of thing, and I'd
|>     rather not have to write them myself.

|> They must already exist somewhere, but I confess I can't point you at
|> them.  I wrote a couple front end functions to libcomplet.el (aka
|> lib-complete.el) to find elisp files along load-path and executable
|> files along PATH, but I never felt the need to do it in general. Or did
|> I? Hmm ... I remember seeing something to separate a colon-separated
|> path into a Lisp list, but not sure about the searching part.

Rather than reimplementing the code in lisp...

Wouldn't it be possible to have a command (written in C) along the
lines of:

	kpaths [-s <suffix>] -P <path> filename

that does the search, and outputs the full path name of the file found.
This way, the facility would be available even from shell scripts
(which, of course, can be called from elisp programs).

Since this command is really just a wrapper for the existing library,
it shouldn't be too difficult to implement.  (The hardest part is
probably deciding exactly what the syntax should be.)
-- 
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Is there a way to set the unix manual (manual-entry) command to open into a
new window or other window if a second window is currently open ?

Thanks for any help.

Jeff

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Many thanks Chuck, Ben and the many others for yet another
even better version of Emacs.

I've used a wide variety of Emacs variants and versions over the past eight
or so years.  I started out with MicroEmacs and was blown away when I
first discovered real GNU Emacs... the number of features were incredible.
I was again amazed when I first found Lucid Emacs...decent X support for
the first time, font-lock, color, and much more, though getting
it all to work was not always easy.  Xemacs took care of that,
by offering much more reliability (the availability of binaries
for common platforms REALLY simplifies installation too).

The latest version is far more than I could ever have imagined an "emacs"
to be back when I first started. In my humble view, the world's best
editor, with XEmacs being the deluxe, elite, "gold", version. 

Though I've never found the non-editing tools (like mail and news reading)
to be as good as some of the other tools made explicitly for those
purposes, nothing beats it for editing and programmer. The context
sensitive language support is what makes it most useful, especially the
ability to compile and parse the error messages. (new font locked compile
mode is cool!)

New java mode support (that indents properly) is very appreciated. 
Also like the color name completion in edit-faces.

--------------------------------------------------------
 David Wojtowicz, Research Programmer/System Manager
 Department of Atmospheric Sciences and
 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
 email: davidw@uiuc.edu  phone: (217)244-1982
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From: William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>
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Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:17:11 -0700
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Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

> 3) I change the value of modeline-format to have a shorter display
> in the modeline. After (setq-default modeline-format
> my-modeline-format) the colors don't work anymore. Even when I
> explicitly set them again they are not used. Under Options/Edit
> Faces I still get the right ones.

  The reason the colors aren't working is because they are controlled
by extents on the modeline-format _STRING_ itself.  So you would need
to do a bunch of extent hacking.  Check out lisp/prime/modeline.el for
what is currently done.  Can get a tad hairy, but ... :)

-Bill P.

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From: jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk (James Riely)
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Subject: Xemacs 19.14 GNUS, can't get it started.
Date: 26 Jun 1996 15:06:54 GMT
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I can't get xemacs 19.14 to run gnus.  I get the following error on
startup.  Any help greatly appreciated.  I have installed the binaries
on a sparc solaris machine with no modifications.  Thanks,
James.


Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp #<keymap "Message" 2 entries 0x1c19>)
  easy-menu-create-keymaps("Message" ("Go to Field:" "----" ["To" message-goto-to t] ["Subject" message-goto-subject t] ["Cc" message-goto-cc t] ["Reply-to" message-goto-reply-to t] ["Summary" message-goto-summary t] ["Keywords" message-goto-keywords t] ["Newsgroups" message-goto-newsgroups t] ["Followup-To" message-goto-followup-to t] ["Distribution" message-goto-distribution t] ["Body" message-goto-body t] ["Signature" message-goto-signature t] "----" "Miscellaneous Commands:" "----" ["Sort Headers" mess
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  easy-menu-do-define(message-mode-menu #<keymap 5 entries 0x1a0b> "Message Menu." ("Message" "Go to Field:" "----" ["To" message-goto-to t] ["Subject" message-goto-subject t] ["Cc" message-goto-cc t] ["Reply-to" message-goto-reply-to t] ["Summary" message-goto-summary t] ["Keywords" message-goto-keywords t] ["Newsgroups" message-goto-newsgroups t] ["Followup-To" message-goto-followup-to t] ["Distribution" message-goto-distribution t] ["Body" message-goto-body t] ["Signature" message-goto-signature t] "---
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  byte-code("\n$BB" [easy-menu-do-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map "Message Menu." ("Message" "Go to Field:" "----" ["To" message-goto-to t] ["Subject" message-goto-subject t] ["Cc" message-goto-cc t] ["Reply-to" message-goto-reply-to t] ["Summary" message-goto-summary t] ["Keywords" message-goto-keywords t] ["Newsgroups" message-goto-newsgroups t] ["Followup-To" message-goto-followup-to t] ["Distribution" message-goto-distribution t] ["Body" message-goto-body t] ["Signature" mess
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Subject: NEED MONEY FOR LATEST HARDWARE ???
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Need easy CASH fast?

THIS REALLY DOES WORK!!!!
It only cost me $5 (plus postage)

WANT TO KNOW HOW??

Just let me tell you: I DID IT! Thats right, I found it! And I HATE ALL 
OF THOSE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate multi-level marketing, 
mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing shit, 900 number shit... whatever. 
I have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 10 
years, I failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, 
but not for me...

If youre reading this file on-line, I suggest that you quickly DOWNLOAD 
it first, just in case some "do-gooder" takes it off the news board. 
(Youll find a copy to be most useful, as you will later see.)

I was scanning through a NEWSGROUP and saw an article to GET CASH FAST!! 
I was wondering "Here on the Internet??". Well I just had to see what 
schemes could possibly be on the Internet. The article described a way to 
MAIL ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $20,000 IN CASH WITHIN 
WEEKS! The more I thought about it, the more I became curious. Why? 
Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE 
DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS), THAT`S ALL I EVER PAY... EVER!!

Ok, the $20,000 in CASH was maybe a tough amout to reach, but it was 
possible. I figured that I could at least get a return of the amout I 
spent. So I did it!!
What a great surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!! People from 
all over the world - Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some 
from Japan! I tell you, THAT WAS SO EXITING!! So how much did I get in 
total return? $1000? $10,000? Not even!!!
I recieved a total of  $17,357!!! I couldnt believe it!! 

...I LOVE THE INTERNET!!

Now after 9  month I am ready to do it again!!! So maybe it was possible 
to get $20,000 in cash, I dont know, but IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, 
THE INDIVIDUAL! You must follow  through and repost this article 
everywhere you can think of! The more postings you achieve will determine 
how much cash will arrive in your own mailbox!!

So how do you do it exactly, you ask? I have carfully providet the most 
detailed, yet straightforward instruction on how to easily get this 
underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME 
CASH!!!??? HERE WE GO!!!!

INSTRUCTIONS:

1. Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "Please add my 
name to your list". Make sure you include your name and address!!!!

2. Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill, (no checks or money 
orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the five 
people listed. The folding of the paper around the bill will ensure its 
arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!! (Otherwise, some 
unscrupulous mail delivery person may see whats inside and start helping 
himself to all the thousands of envelopes arriving!)

3. Now read carefully, heres where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO YOUR 
MAILBOX. Look at the list of five people; remove the first name from 
position one and move everyone on the list up. Now put your name, adress, 
zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5!!!!

4. Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local bulletin 
boardsmessage areas & file sections as possible. Give a catchy 
description of the file so it gets noticed!! Such as: "NEED FAST 
CASH?,HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS?" etc. The more 
uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the more money the 
others on the list will make too. LETS ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY 
BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120% INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING 
SYSTEM!!!
If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS or "POST" a 
message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE 
GLAD TO HELP.

5. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS WAY!! Expect to 
see a little money to tickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3&4, 
THE MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out 
of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you 
realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!!

6. SO go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something special 
you always wanted or buy that special person in your life a gift theyll 
never forget.

7. Now when you get low on this mony supply, simply re-activate this file 
again; Reposting it in the old places you know of. Dont ever loose this 
file, its AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME 
AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED!

*************************************************************************THE NAMES LIST              THE NAMES LIST            THE NAMES LIST     
**************************************************************************  HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!!
*
*
* 1. Todd Chaster
*     61303C UVic.
*     P.O. BOX 2100
*     Victoria, BC, Canada
*     V8W 3A4
*
* 2. Denise Gillett
*     2262 Branson Rd.
*     Los Angeles, CA 90037
*
* 3. Dipl.Ing Ch.M. Yeh
*     Hampsteadstreet 11
*     14167 Berlin, Germany
*
* 4. Alison Kinsey
*     3531 Main St.
*     South Bend, IN 46617
*
* 5. Mathias Grunner
*     Prenzlauer Alle 35
*     10405 Berlin, Germany
*
*****************************************************************************

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: too many modeline colors in 19.14; how to change to one color?
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:21:33 -0700
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>>>>> "Silvio" == Silvio Picano <spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com> writes:

Silvio> Switching to 19.14, I now have red, gold, blue, & green
Silvio> text colors in my modeline text strings. The color & font 
Silvio> size make the modeline unreadable now.

 ...

Silvio> I cannot seem to get rid of these 4 colors. Already looked
Silvio> at NEWS & sample.Xdefaults w/o any luck. Can someone please
Silvio> suggest a solution?

The faces used in the modeline are:
modeline
modeline-mousable
modeline-mousable-minor-mode
modeline-buffer-id

The easiest way to change them is to use the Options/Edit Faces...
command from the menubar.

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From: homh@momentum.chem.queensu.ca ()
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Subject: [Q] Autosave error in 19.13
Date: 26 Jun 1996 15:32:47 GMT
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Hi,

I am having prolblem with the autosave option ( I used the sample .emacs
file). The error massage is 'Auto-saving...error for text.file'. Is this 
a known bug with a fix somewhere ? Any pointer posted either here or by
email is greatly appreciated.

Minhhuy Ho

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs-19.14: Some questions
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>>>>> "Laszlo" == Laszlo Teleki <laszlo@ipb10.ipb.uni-bonn.de> writes:

Laszlo> Hi,

Laszlo> first off all I would like to say to the authors thank you for this
Laszlo> great job!

Laszlo> Now to the questions:

 ...

Laszlo> 2. Does somebody has some simple code to use the sgml-mode with
Laszlo> font-lock-mode for html-files? I know there is a manual but maybe
Laszlo> somebody can help me...

(If this is referring to what I think it is, it bit me too), remove
the customizations you previously had for psgml.  Colorful font
locking for .html will happen by default.

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In article <ny0spbi4q7e.fsf@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu>,
Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> "Chan" == C Chan <chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu> writes:
>
>    Chan> I had a helluva time with XEmacs 19.13 under linux-1.3.xx;
>    Chan> it would just freeze up and take up all the CPU time. I
>    Chan> recompiled w/o optimizations under gcc-2.7.2 and it's been
>    Chan> solid ever since.
>
>This was caused by a bug in gcc not XEmacs.  If you compile anything
>w/ gcc 2.7.2 and optomization make sure you compile with the
>-fno-strength-reduce flag or get the patched version of gcc.
>

Yes, it's a gcc bug, but I'm not certain it is the one solved by
-fno-strength-reduce. I did compile with -O and -fno-strength-reduce
and had the same problem.

I just did several compiles from scratch of XEmacs-19.14, on a
Linux-2.0 system based on Redhat 3.0 with libc-5.2.18 and gcc-2.7.2.

I noticed the following:

1) Compiling with --cflags="-g -O" produced a huge (>9MB) xemacs binary
which behaved fine. However, stripping the binary (made it around 2.7MB)
caused the same behavior I experienced earlier with XEmacs-19.13.
Adding -fno-strength-reduce didn't help.

2) Compiling with null cflags produced a working binary approx 3.3MB
in size. This is the one I'm sticking with.

3) I tried compiling in term-2.3.5 support but even after I added
the term header files to the xemacs src directory I still got undefined
variables. This is probably just a minor glitch in the configuration
process. But even after I re-configured and cleaned up without term
support, I still got warnings that the client.h and terminal.h header
files were missing, though they were no longer being used. Copying
over the term headers solved that problem.

Anyway, XEmacs-19.14 looks great.

-- 
                  C. Chan 
         Email: <chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu>  
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Subject: Re: search path
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>>>>> "Paramesh" == Paramesh A <paramesh@ikos.com> writes:

Paramesh> Hi Folks, I'm getting the following warning message when i
Paramesh> invoke the xemacs -

Paramesh> "No library search-menu in search path".

Paramesh> What's the search it's referring to ?  

The `search path' refers to the load-path variable.  I don't know what
search-menu is.  There is no search-menu in XEmacs, so the reference
is coming from one of your customizations.

Paramesh> I have load path set in my .emacs file. The load-path
Paramesh> variable does show all these paths below when queried and
Paramesh> all the libraries are under lisp.

It's possible that you are loading a private version of a lisp file
already in XEmacs.  Try removing all your private libraries, and then
adding them back one by one until you can isolate which one is giving
you the problem.

It's probably not a good idea to override one of the standard XEmacs
lisp files unless you really know what you're doing.
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From: buesing@demaco5.demaco.com (Neil J. Buesing)
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 with XWsh on the sgi
Date: 26 Jun 1996 12:42:53 -0500
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buesing@demaco5.demaco.com (Neil J. Buesing) writes:

>  Whenever I run XEmacs-19.13 or XEmacs-19.14 from within an sgi XWsh
> terminal application, I loose the use of the scroll bar when I exit
> XEmacs.
> 
>  Has anyone else had this problem, and is there any fix/solution?
> 
>  Thanks,
> 	Neil Buesing
> 	buesing@demaco1.demaco.com

I have received no feedback on this one, just comments that other
people have this similar problem.

To get xwsh out of the lock state, you can do the following escape
sequence


#!/bin/sh
#
# xwsh_command

ESC=`echo A | tr 'A' '\033'`

echo -n "$ESC[$*"

#end of script


% xwsh_command =6l


Is there any way to get xemacs to issue this command to the parent
prior to exiting?  

 -Neil

P.S. This is a minor bug in XEmacs-19.13 and 14, keep up the great
work!

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From: hlam@bertil.hallf.lth.se (Anders Magnusson)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Annoyance with buffer list in 19.14
Date: 26 Jun 1996 12:27:12 GMT
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Hi.

I have just installed Xemacs 19.14, and it's working fine except for 
one thing (as far as I have noted yet). When I want to change buffer, I
press C^x C^b to bring up the *Buffer List*, but when I press the middle
mouse button to change to a buffer, it keeps the splitted window, and 
where the buffer list was, I now get the file. In 19.13 it instead opened
the new file in the whole window. I know I kan get it to open the file 
in a new frame, but I don't want that, I just want to work in one frame
for most of the time, and manually open a new one if I need it. 
If I press v for select buffer it works the way I want, but if I press
enter it behaves as with the mouse button.

Does anyone know how to fix this (if it's in the FAQ I'm sorry, I couldn't
find it there)?

Thanks

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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: c-style-alist
Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:34:01 -0700
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bobg@moon (Bob R. Gupta) writes:

> Just wanted to pass along the following info. I used to set my
> c-style-alist with the name "Bob" which worked in v13. This broke when I
> upgraded to v14 and I finally figured out that it doesn't like the capital
> "B" in the name, so I just renamed "Bob" -> "bob". Don't know if anyone
> else is having this problem, but try it if you are...

     Yup.  For some unfathomable reason, cc-mode now accepts only
all-uppercase or all-lowercase style names.  Why?  I don't know.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
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From: "John  H. Palmieri" <palmieri@math.mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: kpathsearch implementation?
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I originally wrote: 
     I would like emacs lisp functions that provide versions of getenv (or
     of parse-colon-path) that incorporate this sort of thing, and I'd
     rather not have to write them myself.

to which Marc Fleischeuers responded:
>  
>  (getenv STRING)?
>

Sorry, I wasn't exactly clear here.  I know that if I call
(getenv "TEXINPUTS"), I get 
  "/user/palmieri/tex/inputs//:.::"
Then if I call (parse-colon-path (getenv "TEXINPUTS")), I get
  ("/" "./" nil nil)
So I should have said that I would like a version of parse-colon-path
that understands "//" and trailing "::" and things like that.  

--------------------
Also, I originally wrote 
      palmieri@math.mit.edu  (send email to this address,
        not to palmieri@severi.math.mit.edu, or whatever my return address
        appears to be to your newsreader)

to which kb@cs.umb.edu responded:
> Consider setting the Reply-To: header ...
> E.g., (setq user-mail-address "whatever") in your .emacs.

In fact, I already do this.  I think my difficulty is with the version
of gnus that I'm using.  Now I'm trying to set the variable
gnus-user-from-line to something appropriate.  We'll see what
happens...

			John Palmieri
			palmieri@math.mit.edu

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: 19.14 on Linux 1.2.13 compile problems
Date: 26 Jun 1996 11:02:54 -0700
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>>>>> "Mathew" == Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung} <gast@cteq07.pa.msu.edu> writes:

Mathew> My system is a 
Mathew> Pentium 90 running Linux 1.2.13 (a.out libraries) with XFree86 3.1.1.

Mathew> feynman:~$ uname -a
Mathew> Linux feynman 1.2.13 #1 Sun Jun 2 14:24:03 GMT-0600 1996 i586


Mathew> The configure script runs correctly, and produces the following output:

Mathew> feynman:~/xemacs-19.14$ configure i486-ZenithData-linux
Mathew> --with-database=no --with-x=yes --with-socks=no
 ...

Mathew> gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
Mathew> -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
Mathew> [lots of .o files skipped for brevity]

Are you linking tparam.o?  What version of ncurses are you using?
You appear to be picking it up O.K.

Mathew> -llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
Mathew> -lncurses                `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
Mathew> `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`

Mathew> lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
Mathew> lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
Mathew> make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
Mathew> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src'
Mathew> make: *** [src] Error 2

A possible fix is to comment out the routine tgoto in tparam.c.  We
had various problems in the beta cycle on Linux with conflicts between
ncurses and overloaded routines in XEmacs, with the result being that
most of the XEmacs overloaded routines were removed.

Apply this unofficial patch to test:

--- /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/tparam.c	Wed May 15 18:20:42 1996
+++ tparam.c	Wed Jun 26 10:58:16 1996
@@ -82,6 +82,7 @@
 
 static char tgoto_buf[50];
 
+#if 0
 char *tgoto (CONST char *cm, int hpos, int vpos);
 char *
 tgoto (CONST char *cm, int hpos, int vpos)
@@ -93,6 +94,7 @@
   args[1] = hpos;
   return tparam1 (cm, tgoto_buf, 50, UP, BC, args);
 }
+#endif
 
 static char *
 tparam1 (CONST char *string, char *outstring, int len, CONST char *up,


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14;  mailcrypt and gnus
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>>>>> "Byron" == Byron Faber <byron@morticia.physics.colostate.edu> writes:

Byron> Hello,
Byron> I've followed the instructions and installed the proper lisp
Byron> in .emacs to get mailcrypt to work in VM and GNUS.

Byron> However, in GNUS I can't sign or encode any articles I edit
Byron> inside GNUS.

Byron> Anybody ran into this?

No.  Are you sure you have all your hooks set up correctly?

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [19.14]  X-Face in mh-e and Gnus?
Date: 26 Jun 1996 11:04:29 -0700
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:

Peter> Hi, I have two questions regarding displaying X-Faces in 19.14:

Peter> 1) How do I add a header in Gnus 5.2?  I used to know how to do this,
Peter> but cannot find it at all documented in the info file.

Like this:

(setq message-default-headers
      "X-Url: http://www.miranova.com/%7Esteve/
Mail-Copies-To: never
Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool
")


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From: mgeil@lmsc.lockheed.com (Martin Geil)
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: no META key on HPUX 10.01, xemacs-19.14
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   I am having a problem with xemacs 19.14 on HPUX 10.01 not defining the
ALT key as META.  In fact, I had the same problem with xemacs 19.13.  In
both cases, I am using the precompiled versions for my platform.  The
warnings at startup read:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--19-160-72-72-m-110-hp-roman8"


(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--19-160-72-72-m-110-hp-roman8"


(3) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--19-160-72-72-m-110-hp-roman8"


(4) (key-mapping/warning) 
   The meanings of the modifier bits Mod1 through Mod5 are determined
   by the keysyms used to control those bits.  Mod1 does NOT always
   mean Meta, although some non-ICCCM-compliant programs assume that.

(5) (key-mapping/warning) 
   Two distinct modifier keys (such as Meta and Hyper) cannot generate
   the same modifier bit, because Emacs won't be able to tell which
   modifier was actually held down when some other key is pressed.  It
   won't be able to tell Meta-x and Hyper-x apart, for example.  Change
   one of these keys to use some other modifier bit.  If you intend for
   these keys to have the same behavior, then change them to have the
   same keysym as well as the same modifier bit.

(6) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Mod1 is being used for both Mode_switch
and Meta.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I can use the [ESC] key for META, but I would prefer to define [ALT] as
META.  If someone could tell me what file to change (.Xdefaults? .emacs?)
I would very much appreciate it.

Martin Geil
Lockheed Martin

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: fortran font-lock missing
Date: 26 Jun 1996 11:30:58 -0700
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>>>>> "Gennady" == Gennady Briskin <briskin@zedy04.desy.de> writes:

Gennady>  Hi,
Gennady>   I just installed xemacs19.14 on Solaris 2.4 and I have
Gennady> discovered that fortran keywords are missing in font-lock
Gennady> mode.

That doesn't prevent font-locking for fortran files.

Gennady>   Why was fortran keywords removed from font-lock ???

The comments there indicate that all the modal support ought to be
removed to their respective major modes.  But probably because fortran
is not all that commonly used.  C mode, which used to be dumped with
Emacs was changed to an autoload for the same reason.

Gennady>   If fortran-keywords are not put back into font-lock, what
Gennady> should I do ??

I just tried it, and it came up font-locked.  Is the extension in
auto-mode-alist for you?

(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(("\\.f$"  . fortran-mode)
                ("\\.f77$" . fortran-mode))
              auto-mode-alist))


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>>>>> On 26 Jun 1996 13:00:52 +0200, marc@mpi.nl (Marc Fleischeuers)
>>>>> said:

  Marc> (locate-library LIBRARY) finds your library in load-path. Still
  Marc> looking for a good `whence', though, that tells me, for any given
  Marc> function, whether it's a built-in or  (preloaded) defined in a lisp
  Marc> lib. 

Emacs 19.30 has this built-in.  I type C-h f gnus RET and this is what
I get:

,-----
| gnus: an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus'.
| (gnus &optional ARG DONT-CONNECT SLAVE)
| 
| Read network news.
| If ARG is non-nil and a positive number, Gnus will use that as the
| startup level.	If ARG is non-nil and not a positive number, Gnus will
| prompt the user for the name of an NNTP server to use.
`-----

Note the end of the first line (which names the file name).  You can
also tell if the file has already been loaded or if the function is
defined to be autoloaded.

kai
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Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu> writes:

> 
> I don't like any of the standard cc-mode indent c-styles, so I made my own
> by putting the following in my .emacs file:
> 	(setq c-style-alist (append
> 	     '(("brent"
> 	     (c-basic-offset . 3)
> 	     (c-comment-only-line-offset . 3)
> 	     (c-offsets-alist . ((statement-block-intro . 0)
> 	                         (knr-argdecl-intro . +)
> 	                         (substatement-open . 3)
> 	                         (label . 0)
> 	                         (statement-cont . +)
> 	                         ))
> 	     ))
> 	c-style-alist)
> 	)
> 
> This works just the way I want it to when I press:
> 	 ESC-X set-c-style brent
> 
> I would like to have it autoload for all files that call up the c++ or c
> modes.  I don't want to go through all those key strokes every time I load
> a C or C++ file.
> 
> Here are some things that I have tried, but didn't work:
> 	(autoload 'set-c-style "brent" t)
> 	(defvar c-site-default-style "brent")
> 	(autoload 'c++-mode  "brent" "C++ Editing Mode" t)
> 
> I have spent hours fooling with this and just can't get it to work
> (possibly because I do not know lisp).
> 
> Please help! Thanks,
> 
> 	Brent Modzelewski
> 	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Did you add a (defvar default-c-style 'brent) in your .emacs?

After your c-style-alist setq, add the defvar, and then use the
following in your .emacs:

(autoload 'set-c-style "c-style" nil t)

<note the 'nil' instead of the style name>


That should do the trick.  I'm *NOT* a lisp person at all, but I
believe that should work.

-- Gary F.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Can't get toolbar with gnus and xemacs-19.14
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>>>>> "Jens" == Jens Krinke <krinke@infbssts.ips.cs.tu-bs.de> writes:

Jens> Hi,
Jens> it looks like gnus can have a toolbar with xemacs, but I can't
Jens> get it to show up.  Can anybody tell me how to setup correctly?

Gnus should find the graphics for the toolbar automatically.  If it
doesn't you can force it to do The Right Thing by manually setting the
variables: gnus-xmas-glyph-directory and message-xmas-glyph-directory.

Like this:
(setq gnus-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.18/gnus/")
(setq message-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.18/message/")

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From: Loren Striegel <strieg@math.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Spell checker in .tex mode
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We are using:
GNU Emacs 19.29.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) and also
XEmacs 19.13

We have noticed odd behavior when editing a tex document and running the
spell checker.

For some strange reason, if there is a dollar sign $ included in the
document, it throws the spell checker on both programs into a weird mode
when also in .tex mode.

for example.  If I load a file with a .tex ending, emacs and xemacs
recognizes it as a tex file, and loads some special mode.  If I try tp
spell check the document and it includes the code \$ (for dollar figures
in the tex document), strange things happen.  It will skip 30 or so
lines, and miss a lot of bad spellings, and only see words with double
letters, or whatever...

Checking the same document without the .tex extension, and reloading so
the tex recognition is off, everything is fine, and it doesn't skip
anything it shouldn't...

Has anyone noticed this?
What can we do about it?  Is it fixed in a different version?

I glanced through the FAQ TOC and didn't see a relative entry...

Loren
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Oscar Figueiredo (Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch) wrote:

: Hi, 

: I've had various problems trying to edit HTML with 19.14

: First I had to add the following line to psgml-html

: (require 'psgml-xemacs)

: because when trying to open a new HTML file I got the error:

: (void-variable sgml-sgml-menu)

: Now when I try to open an empty HTML file I got a message in the modeline that
: says :

: File mode specification error: (error "must specify some menu items")

: This is a bit confusing because it does not trigger the debugger.

: No HTML prolog is automatically added and the buffer for the new file remains
: empty, so when I try to insert a new element I got an error message saying 'No
: document type defined in prolog' and I found no menu to insert a new document
: prolog as I used to have with the version of psgml I had installed with XEmacs
: 19.13.

: Any idea ???
All that works for me on Solaris 2.5
I think it's caused by a conflict in your .emacs stuff; try xemacs -q
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MF> == Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>

 MF> ld: /lib/libXaw.sa.5.0: warning: table of contents for archive is out \
 MF> of date; rerun ranlib(1)
 MF> ld: /lib/libXt.sa.4.10: warning: table of contents for archive is out \
 MF> of date; rerun ranlib(1)

When ld says "rerun ranlib", it means it.

ranlib the listed libraries and try again.

(It's not finding the routines you want it to find because it doesn't
trust the toc in those two libraries.)
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Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu> writes:
> > I would like to have it autoload for all files that call up the c++ or c
> > modes.  I don't want to go through all those key strokes every time I load
> > a C or C++ file.
> > 

After setq'ing the c-style-alist, I have the following in my .emacs:

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook
	  (function
	   (lambda ()
	     (c-set-style "bob")
	     (hide-ifdef-mode t))))

(add-hook 'c++-mode-hook
	  (function
	   (lambda ()
	     (c-set-style "bob")
	     (hide-ifdef-mode t))))

Don't include the hide-ifdef-mode if you don't use it.

-bob

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./configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --with-dialogs=motif
--site-includes=/opt/TeleUSE/include --site-libraries=/opt/TeleUSE/lib
--with-sound=native --with-sparcworks --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes --verbose

checking size of short
configure: can not determine size of short

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

John> Here's a cool idea.
John> I use xmcd to listen to CDs.  It knows artist, title, track, etc. from
John> a database.

John> Wouldn't it be cool if VM and Gnus could query xmcd, find out
John> that info, and insert it in a message, like:

It doesn't look difficult to parse:

# xplaycd & xmcd 1.0 CD database file
# Copyright: xmcd & file layout: (C) 1994 Ti Kan
#            xplaycd:            (C) 1994 Olav Woelfelschneider
#
# Track frame offsets:
#	183
#	16125
#	34255
#	47455
#	70353
#	85208
#	104408
#	123213
#	140738
#	153103
#	175980
#	196420
#
# Disc length: 2775 seconds
#
DISCID=9c0ad50c
DTITLE=This is the Moody Blues (II)
TTITLE0=Ride My See Saw
TTITLE1=Tuesday Afternoon
TTITLE2=And The Tide Rushes In
TTITLE3=New Horizons
TTITLE4=A Simple Game
TTITLE5=Watching and Waiting
TTITLE6=I'm Just a Singer
TTITLE7=For My Lady
TTITLE8=The Story In Your Eyes
TTITLE9=Melancholy Man
TTITLE10=Nights in White Satin
TTITLE11=Late Lament
EXTD=
EXTT0=
EXTT1=
EXTT2=
EXTT3=
EXTT4=
EXTT5=
EXTT6=
EXTT7=
EXTT8=
EXTT9=
EXTT10=
EXTT11=
PLAYORDER=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

You could probably write a short shell or perl script to snarf an
album and a title under the existing hooks.
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>>>>> "ES" == erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be (Erik Sundermann) writes:

ES> Vladimir Alexiev writes:

ES>  > xemacs.org
ES>  > Hell, if they create a domain name for every new movie, you could easily bet
ES>  > that xemacs would have one of its own. :-)

ES> Great idea! A movie about XEmacs! 
ES> I wonder who will be the bad guy(s)?  ;-)

vi?

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From: Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de>
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Hi,

I think that parent-matching does not work right. I don't use a bar
cursor and "steady paren".

If I place the cursor on the beginning of two pantens it works fine but
if I put the cursor in the end, it does not work right, because I have
to put the cursor behind the two parents which I want to examine.

Example: (some(thing))
              ^      ^

If the cursor highlights the last parent, the inner parent will be
marked as the matching one. This seams quite wrong to me.

Is there a way to change this beaviour?

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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
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Subject: 19.14 sound problems w/ pre-compiled sparc 4.1.3 binaries?
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Hello all,

I installed the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries of xemacs 19.14
yesterday, and I notice that my sounds do not play anymore.

I currently have the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries from 19.13,
and the sounds have been working since day 1. 

Do I need to change anything from my .emacs for 19.14 sounds?
Could antone suggest some things to try, short of a full-blown
re-compilation.


Thanks
Silvio

----------------------
My sound/.emacs config:

    (cond ((string-match ":0" (getenv "DISPLAY"))
           (load-default-sounds)

           ;; Get a directory full of standard emacs audio files
           (defvar sounds_dir_0 (getenv "SOUNDS_0")
             "*Sound's directory.
           Initialized from the SOUNDS_0 environment variable.")
           ;; Get a directory full of not-so-standard sound files
           (defvar sounds_dir_1 (getenv "SOUNDS_1")
             "*Sound's directory.
           Initialized from the SOUNDS_1 environment variable.")

           ;# if not in environment vairables, try for defined links.
           (if sounds_dir_0 nil
               (setq sounds_dir_0 "~spicano/pub/lib/sounds0/"))
           (if sounds_dir_1 nil
               (setq sounds_dir_1 "~spicano/pub/lib/sounds1/"))



           (cond ((and (string-match "/" sounds_dir_0)
                       (string-match "/" sounds_dir_1))

                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bark.au")        'bark 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bass-snap.au")   'bass-snap 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "boing.au")       'boing 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bong.au")        'bong 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "click.au")       'click 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "clink.au")       'clink 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "cuckoo.au")      'cuckoo 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "ding.au")        'ding 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "drip.au")        'drip 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "drum-beep.au")   'drum-beep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "hammer.au")      'hammer 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "long-beep.au")   'long-beep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "low-smash.au")   'low-smash 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "mellowbweep.au") 'mellowbweep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "monkey.au")      'monkey 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "piano-beep.au")  'piano-beep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "quiet-beep.au")  'quiet-beep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "return.au")      'return 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "say-beep.au")    'say-beep 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "slap.au")        'slap 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "the-ping.au")    'the-ping 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "whip.au")        'whip 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "yeep.au")        'yeep 20)

                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_1 "Cool.au")        'cool 20)
                  (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_1 "Doh_.au")        'doh 10)   

                  (setq sound-alist (append '((default          :sound hammer   :volume 20)
                                              (undefined-key    :sound bark     :volume 20)
                                              (undefined-click  :sound ding     :volume 20)
                                              (command-error    :sound monkey   :volume 20)
                                              (no-completion    :sound slap     :volume 20)
                                             ;(y-or-n-p         :sound ding     :volume 20)
                                             ;(yes-or-no-p      :sound drip     :volume 20)
                                              (y-or-n-p         :sound doh      :volume 5)
                                              (yes-or-no-p      :sound doh      :volume 5)

                                             ;(auto-save-error  :sound whip     :volume 70)
                                            )
                                            sound-alist))
                  (message "Over-loading default sounds...done")
                  ))
           ))


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Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: ./configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --with-dialogs=motif
: --site-includes=/opt/TeleUSE/include --site-libraries=/opt/TeleUSE/lib
: --with-sound=native --with-sparcworks --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes --verbose

: checking size of short
: configure: can not determine size of short

I fixed this by commenting out the lines with add
"-u _XtToolkitInitialize -u _get_applicationShellWidgetClass" to LIBS
BTW, this is sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3_U1

*****  Other suggestings  *****
Before running configure, unset the following env vars:
CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, and INSTALL
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: cursor position in split buffer
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:57:03 -0500
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I have a minor problem with the cursor under XEmacs 19.13, when 
viewing the same file with two different buffers. 

When one splits a buffer there are two copies of the file to edit. 
When I move the cursor in one buffer and then move to the other 
buffer, the cursor moves automatically to the same place as in 
the first buffer. That is unfortunate, since I want to look at 
different parts of the same file in the two buffers. Has anyone
else had this problem?

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Subject: Help: temacs crashes while dumping in SunOS
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Does this ring a bell with anybody?  I'm getting this dump when temacs tries to
dump:

    EMACSLOADPATH="/home/ruben/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
    (gdb) Starting program: /amd/limrag/export/home/ruben/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

    Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
    0xb3c5c in call_validate_method (boxed_method=-268438536, 
	instantiator=1077628816) at specifier.c:1069
    1069	  ((void (*)(Lisp_Object)) get_opaque_ptr (boxed_method)) (instantiator);
    (gdb) where
    #0  0xb3c5c in call_validate_method (boxed_method=-268438536, 
	instantiator=1077628816) at specifier.c:1069
    #1  0x31954 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xb3c50 <call_validate_method>, nargs=2, 
	args=0xeffff318) at eval.c:3486
    #2  0x2f424 in call_with_suspended_errors_1 (opaque_arg=3975872) at eval.c:2087
    #3  0x2e774 in internal_catch (tag=272411456, 
	func=0x2f3f0 <call_with_suspended_errors_1>, arg=272411328, 
	threw=0xeffff2e4) at eval.c:1347
    #4  0x2f690 in call_with_suspended_errors (fun=0xb3c50 <call_validate_method>, 
	retval=272330756, class=272330756, errb=ERROR_ME, nargs=2) at eval.c:2195
    #5  0xb3d00 in check_valid_instantiator (instantiator=1077628816, 
	meths=0x3d5f00, errb=ERROR_ME_NOT) at specifier.c:1094
    #6  0xb3e90 in check_valid_inst_list (inst_list=540769996, meths=0x3d5f00, 
	errb=ERROR_ME_NOT) at specifier.c:1155
    #7  0xb3f3c in Fvalid_inst_list_p (inst_list=540769996, type=272430572)
	at specifier.c:1184
    #8  0xb5df4 in set_specifier_fallback (specifier=272456832, fallback=540769996)
	at specifier.c:2279
    #9  0x6e5cc in allocate_glyph (type=-268435456, 
	after_change=0x9f0e0 <redisplay_glyph_changed>) at glyphs.c:2176
    #10 0x70094 in vars_of_glyphs () at glyphs.c:2957
    #11 0x2b880 in main_1 (argc=5, argv=0xeffff754, envp=0xeffff76c) at emacs.c:999
    #12 0x2c02c in main (argc=5, argv=0xeffff754, envp=0xeffff76c) at emacs.c:1430

My environment is

    SunOS silicon-mage 4.1.3_U1 2 sun4m

and xemacs is configured with

    Configured for `sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3_U1'.

      Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/ruben/xemacs/xemacs-19.14
      What installation prefix should install use?		  /usr/local
      What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
	    `s/sunos4-1-3.h' and `m/sparc.h'
      What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc  -g -O 
      Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
      Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
      What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
      Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R5/include
      Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R5/lib
      Compiling in support for XAUTH.
      Compiling in support for XPM.
      Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
      Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
      Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
      Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
      Compiling in native sound support.
      Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
      Using the Lucid menubar.
      Using the Lucid scrollbar.
      Using the Motif dialog boxes.

Thanks,

Ruben

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Hi!

Has anyone have a problem with using VM with XEmacs 19.14?
I'm using a pre-compiled version for IRIX5.3 and didn't have any problem 
with XEmacs 19.13.
The problem is that whenever I invoke VM by selecting "mail" button, it says:
"Failed getting new mail from /usr/mail/parky" and 
"movemail exited with code 1". Again I didn't have this kind of error 
with 19.13. And nothing changed in our machine nor in my emacs setup (.emacs).

Can anyone help me?
Thanks in adavance.

- Youngser

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Subject: Re: [Q] *Message-Log* Missing in 19.14?
Date: 26 Jun 1996 20:23:44 GMT
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In article <199606241032.NAA05026@merlin.ornet.co.il>,
Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> wrote:
> 
> When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the startup
> messages, this was done in the *Message-Log* buffer when the
> "Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main menu entry was runned...
> 
> I see this missing under XEmacs 19.14

although, as  others  have pointed  out,  there  are a  few   options,
including view-lossage, I didn't find  that to be as  nice as the  way
FSF Emacs does it  (and XEmacs used to do  it).  So, I stole/wrote the
following (which is distributed under the same license as XEmacs).  (I
just put this in my .emacs -- this isn't  a package or anything fancy,
so I am not going to bother with all the package hullabaloo.  This may
annoy some.  sorry.)

I use the  same buffer  name as FSF  Emacs  does.  (I have written  my
.emacs such  that I can  run either FSF  Emacs  or XEmacs with minimal
hassle.    I prefer XEmacs, but   not every place  has it  and I don't
necessarily have the time, energy, or disk space to compile it.)

I've bound Ctrl-X Ctrl-M to show the message buffer.

[and in  the code, where  I don't prepend a  function or variable name
with my initials, jmy, I have a good reason...]

-- Jason

code follows....

;;; ------------------------------------------------------------------------
;;; MESSAGE LOG
;;;
;;;  XEmacs and FSF now keep a history of messages.  FSF is nice enough to
;;;  put it in a buffer.  XEmacs *sort* of has it -- M-x view-lossage gives
;;;  you access to last 100 messages.  But unlike FSF's buffer, it doesn't
;;;  keep itself updated -- you have to run it each time.  Some code to do
;;;  it right has been disabled in the latest XEmacs beta... so we put it
;;;  here...
;;;
;;;  (by yanowitz@cs.umass.edu)

;; to stay compatible with some code in the bowels of Xemacs, (we create
;; an invisible buffer we are about to dispose of, but oh well...) 

(defvar log-message-buffer-name " *Message-Log*"
  "name of the buffer into which log-message writes")

;; we use this hack of a test because an fboundp isn't good enough -- it
;; might exist -- in which case, we just want to redefine it.  if this
;; scares you, don't use the code :)
(if (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
    (defun log-message (label message)
      "Stuff a copy of the message into the log-message-buffer-name buffer,
if it satisfies the log-message-filter-function.

For use on remove-message-hook."
      (if (and (not noninteractive)
	       (funcall log-message-filter-function label message))
	  (save-excursion
	    (set-buffer (get-buffer-create log-message-buffer-name))
	    (goto-char (point-max))
	    ;; (insert (concat (upcase (symbol-name label)) ": "  message "\n"))
	    (insert message "\n")
	    (if (> (point-max) (max log-message-max-size (point-min)))
		(progn
		  ;; trim log to ~90% of max size
		  (goto-char (max (- (point-max)
				     (truncate (* 0.9 log-message-max-size)))
				  (point-min)))
		  (forward-line 1)
		  (delete-region (point-min) (point))))))))

;; the following are to be used be both FSF and XEmacs... XEmacs will
;; use the name that FSF does...

(setq log-message-buffer-name "*Messages*")
(defun jmy-show-message-log ()
  "Show the log-message-buffer-name buffer, which contains old messages
and errors (which, I guess, are a subset of messages)." 
  (interactive)
  (pop-to-buffer log-message-buffer-name))

(global-set-key "\C-x\C-m" 'jmy-show-message-log)

(if (boundp 'log-message-ignore-regexps)
    (setq log-message-ignore-regexps (cons "^Scanning buffer"
					   log-message-ignore-regexps)))


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Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> writes:


>>>>> "David" == David Peart <dpeart@dtthp175.jf.intel.com> writes:

David> I an trying to get TM and mime-compose to work together within
David> Xemacs-19.14 and have run into a couple of problems.  When I compose a
David> mime message with mime-compose TM does not recognize it as a valid
David> mime message.  If I compose the message with TM everything works well,
David> the problem here is that I like to be able to compose a message that
David> includes an xwd taken immediately (as mime-compose does it.)  From
David> what I read in the TM documentation it sounded like the two would work
David> together, has anyone gotten them to do so?

> Using mime-compose with tm sounds a bad idea since tm provides its own
> composing mode. What exactly do you mean by the 'xwd is taken immediately' ?
> Does this mean that xwd is recognized as a specific MIME type ? You can add
> your own MIME types to the defaults provided by tm, have a look at the variable
> mime-file-types.

	What mime-compose does is call xwd directly.  Then you can
click on the window to dump and it is automatically encoded and
included into the message. With tm I was able to include a xwd file
into the message if it already existed.  I will look in to
mime-file-types, maybe I can get the same functionality from that.


David> I also get an error when tm-edit tries to split a long message into
David> smaller pieces.  The message has to do with a void pointer.  Any help
David> here would also be appreciated.

> Be sure to be running the latest version from tm, current is tm7.68 You can
> prevent your messages from being split by specifying: 
> (setq mime-editor/split-message nil)
> 
> Oscar
> 
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Hi Folks,
 
        I get  the following warning   message  when i invoke the xemacs -
   "No library search-menu in search path".
 
What's the search menu it's referring to ?  

If search path = load path, I have the load path set in my .emacs file. 
The load-path variable does show all  these  paths below  when queried  
and  all  the libraries are under lisp, directory.


 (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp") lo
ad-path ))
(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc") load
-path ))
 (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/pack
ages") load-path ))

The effect of above error is that i'm unable to make the supercite
work  properly. While replying to messages,  yanking the original, i get
the error :
can not load file : youwrite
 
Am i missing some files here ?
 
I tried loading  the library 'yow' seperately but  in vain. Any  help is
greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Paramesh

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When you read this, please understand that it's a new to XEmacs
perspective, (started using it yesterday), so I may not have had time
to optimize my setup correctly, but I think if you're trying to
convince your sysadmins to dump FSF Emacs for XEmacs, your Emacs users
will probably not be happy in the beginning.

>>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan Samuels <samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu> writes:

    Jordan> Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca> writes:

    >> I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services
    >> Group here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of
    >> things that xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that
    >> regular gnu emacs does not.

    Jordan> In addition to the other posts, how about:

    Jordan> XEmacs is way, way, way faster in a multi-window
    Jordan> environment.

Eh, I don't know about that.  While I'll say that XEmacs does seem
significantly faster in some areas, I don't think you can say hands
down that it's faster, even with the "multi-window" qualification.

    Jordan> When I start up emacs 19.3x and say "C-x 5 2" about 6
    Jordan> times, it takes close to a minute.  With XEmacs, it takes
    Jordan> about as long as it takes for me to hit the keys.

I will give you this point, I have been very dissapointed with window
instantiation in FSF Emacs, but FSFE's cursor movement seems to be
much faster than XEmacs.  I'm constantly having to wait for the cursor
to catch up with the auto-repeat.

I was also dissapointed that the byte-code hadn't been updated to
19.3x, so I'm having to re-compile my all .el files to work with
XEmacs.  Also some use 19.3x specific features, so I'll have to recode
those, define-key() is the first that comes to mind.

I'm not poo-pooing on XEmacs, just stating that 19.3x users may have
a bit of a time getting things to work again under 19.14, and
"replacing" FSFE with XEmacs might not be the best thing for a site to
do.

But the image stuff, and w3 is real cool, and hopefully I can find out
why I'm having performance problems.

And, please don't let this thread start an FSF Emacs vs. XEmacs war.
"Can't we all just get along?"

Later,

-- 
Shane Holder                                 e-mail: holder@rsn.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                               phone:     (214)497-4182
3000 Waterview                           I like you, but not enough to
Richardson, TX 75083                     give you my root password.

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Jordan Samuels <samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca> writes:
>> 	I know the answer to this question, but the Computer Services Group
>> here is not convinced. To convince them, I need a list of things that
>> xemacs does better (or easier or does at all) that regular gnu emacs
>> does not.

>In addition to the other posts, how about:

>XEmacs is way, way, way faster in a multi-window environment.

But it is very slow and BIG in any other occasion. Especially using the
-nw option makes the difference show up extremely.
I hope that one day the two Emacsen converge together again. I think
that for now personal differences influence this.

Regards,
	Axel.
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The blinking cursor in 19.14 is a nice touch.
However there is a bit of a problem. The blink seems to be suppressed
during cursor movement (such as leaning on an arrow key). But if you
happen to start cursor movement when the blink is in the off state,
the cursor stays off while you are moveing, and you can't see where
you are going. This makes it unuseable with my typing habits.
Better would be to force the cursor on during movement.

Regards,
Jonathan

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From: ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey)
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  Using the precompiled linuxelf-athena binary under linux 2.0 and
fvwm2, I've found that often when I send a WM delete command to an
XEmacs 19.14 frame, the frame won't go away until emacs receives a
keyboard event (in that frame or any other).  Doesn't happen every
time, but it does work that way most of the time.

  Not a big deal, just annoying.

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>>>>> On 24 Jun 1996 21:16:35 +0200, Kai Grossjohann said:
> I advise you to consider the fabulous shell*.el files from Simon
> Marshall. Among them is a file that tells the shell to spit out some
> magic string that Emacs detects and extracts the current directory
> from it. Another is a file that lets you do completion even for
> command line arguments: You enter
>     find -n TAB and shell completes
>     find -name How's that?

Where are these?

Any recommendation in terms of csh vs. ksh?


Thanks.

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Further info: this problem is induced by highlightable regions. If I
bring up a window with at least 5 or so regions (but not less) then
suddenly the behaviour of the blinking cursor changes. I have
separately posted about how highlightable regions have drastically
degraded in performance in 19.14 on my system. This is perhaps just
another side-effect of that.

Without any highlightable regions the cursor blinks normally during
movement. That is still undesireable, IMO. Cursor should stick on
during movement so you can see where you are going.

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In article <DtM4CL.HCH@uia.ua.ac.be>, Stefan.Becuwe <sbecuwe@uia.ac.be> wrote:
:Using xemacs 19.12, running `make install' produces a lot of .elc files
:in the style directory. The command is (according to the Makefile)
:
:xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
:... all the files in the style directory ...
:
:Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc files?
:
:Regards
:
:
:Stefan

I have the same problem using precompiled 19.14 AIX-4.1.4. 

Minhhuy

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Martin Geil (mgeil@lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
>    I am having a problem with xemacs 19.14 on HPUX 10.01 not defining the
> ALT key as META.  In fact, I had the same problem with xemacs 19.13.  In
> both cases, I am using the precompiled versions for my platform.  The
> warnings at startup read:

Have you tried this, from the FAQ?:
8.2. How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a Meta key?
====================================================================================

   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
starting XEmacs:

     remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

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Youngser Park (parky@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:
: Hi!

: Has anyone have a problem with using VM with XEmacs 19.14?
: I'm using a pre-compiled version for IRIX5.3 and didn't have any problem 
: with XEmacs 19.13.
: The problem is that whenever I invoke VM by selecting "mail" button, it says:
: "Failed getting new mail from /usr/mail/parky" and 
: "movemail exited with code 1". Again I didn't have this kind of error 
: with 19.13. And nothing changed in our machine nor in my emacs setup (.emacs).

: Can anyone help me?
: Thanks in adavance.

Please ignore my previous message. I found the answer from the FAQ.

chgrp mail movemail
chmod 2555 movemail

I thought it was the different error message.

- Youngser

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ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> When things go wrong it was nice to have a log of the startup
> messages, this was done in the *Message-Log* buffer when the
> "Show-Message-Log" under the "Edit" main menu entry was runned...
> 
> I see this missing under XEmacs 19.14

     Well, the message log buffer is still there.  You could just switch
to it to see the contents.  Note that the name is " *Message-Log*", and
not "*Message-Log*" (note the leading space, which has to be entered
using C-q).

     -- Darryl Okahata
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Thanks,
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From: David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>
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Subject: VM: more on auto saving mail messages into separate files
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Hi folks,

There have been a few posts recently about automatically saving mail
messages into appropriate files in VM using the vm-auto-folder-alist
variable.  This is very helpful for sorting messages from several
listservs, but it doesn't seem to go far enough for what I want.  In
my .vm file, I have something like:

(setq vm-auto-folder-alist
      '(
	("Sender:"
	 ("LIST1-L" . "list1_file"))
	("Sender:"
	 ("LIST2-L" . "list2_file"))
	("Sender:"
	 ("LIST3-L" . "list3_file"))
	)
)

This allows me to save each message from the three different listservs
into the right mail file.

The problem is that it only works if I select "save" (or "s") on each
message *separately*.  If I'm trying to save 30 messages into three
different files, it's kind of pain to say "save" 30 times.

What I want to do is mark all 30 messages, say "save all the marked
messages", and have each message end up in the right file.  Right now,
VM seems to want to put them all into one file.

Has anyone come up with a way to do this?

Cheers,
Dave
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From: misha@ai.mit.edu (Mike Bolotski)
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Subject: 19.14: Bitmap Bug/Feature and Workaround
Date: 26 Jun 1996 21:48:26 GMT
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19.14 changed the way XEmacs interprets glyph specifications.
Specifically, when the 'xterm' glyph is specified upon startup, the
new code goes and searches the bitmap file path first.   The Emacs
initialization code assumes that 'xterm' means the I-bar cursor that
appears over text.

Our site had a bitmap named 'xterm' in /usr/include/X11/bitmaps, used
as an icon for a terminal window. The new code attempted to load it
instead of the built-in I-bar shape. Since the bitmap is 48x48, bigger
than what the server allows for cursors, the cursor was not
initialized properly, resulting in continual error messages about
cached bitmaps.

For now, I've removed the xterm bitmap, but this is not a proper fix
(unless the XEmacs maintainers are dead set on the current semantics
of image specifiers).  The new semantics allow the existence of bitmap
files to break XEmacs, and should probably be rethought.



-- 
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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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Subject: font-lock-variable-name-face
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The variable name is highlighted with the appropriate
background-foreground attributes only at the time of declaration.
Similarly with function names.

Is there some way variable names / function names can be highlighted for
all occurances (embedded within the code) ?

Thanks.
PS: Please mail a copy to the address below too.
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Subject: Re: 19.14 on Linux 1.2.13 compile problems
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To: steve@miranova.com (Steven L Baur)
Subject: Re: 19.14 on Linux 1.2.13 compile problems
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In article <m2afxqa1f5.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> you wrote:

: Mathew> gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
: Mathew> -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
: Mathew> [lots of .o files skipped for brevity]

: Are you linking tparam.o?  What version of ncurses are you using?
: You appear to be picking it up O.K.

No, tparam.o isn't linked in.  The only place it appears in the Makefile 
that was generated for me is in a line that says "tparam.o: config.h"

I'm using ncurses v. 1.8.6.  (Sorry, I guess that would have been a 
useful thing to toss in!)

When I added tparam.o into the Makefile, I get the following error instead:

lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): multiple definition of 'tgoto'
tparam.o:/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src/tparam.c:88: first defined here
lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of 'tgoto'
tparam.o:/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src/tparam.c:88: first defined here

Taking the 'tgoto' function definition out of 'tparam.c' gives the 
following error:

lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of 'tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): multiple definition of 'tgoto'

In either case, I get to the step where it's trying to link "temacs" 
before it terminates with error 1.

: Mathew> -llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
: Mathew> -lncurses                `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
: Mathew> `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`
: Mathew> lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
: Mathew> lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
: Mathew> make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
: Mathew> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src'
: Mathew> make: *** [src] Error 2

: A possible fix is to comment out the routine tgoto in tparam.c.  We
: had various problems in the beta cycle on Linux with conflicts between
: ncurses and overloaded routines in XEmacs, with the result being that
: most of the XEmacs overloaded routines were removed.

Nope.  I tried this and the error message didn't change.

Matthew

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From: maxie@acm.org (Michael Maxie (CTR))
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Subject: Color with rxvt v2.18Beta
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Is anyone using xemacs 19.1[34] with rxvt?  If you got
the colors to work, would you be kind enough to help me?
rxvt passes its own color test.


-- 
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>>>>> "CT" == Chuck Thompson <cthomp@charles.cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

CT> A beta tester had actually done most of the needed work at one point
CT> but the size factor (and time factor since it was done close to the
CT> 19.13 release date I believe) got in the way.  It's possible some of
CT> those changes were integrated into AUCTex.  Per would be able to
CT> answer that.

I don't remember any such changes.  

The largest technical problem (apart from size: 9324 lines and 315863
bytes, nine times the size of tex-mode, half the size of w3, a sixth
of the size of Gnus) with bundling AUC TeX would, as far as I see, be
that AUC TeX wants to know where it is installed.  It also wants one
or two subdirectories for its own use, which may cause problems.

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Hello,

I have not succeeded in getting w3 to work. I think this should be a
FAQ, but I don't see any mention of it in the FAQ. After looking at
the documentation it seemed to say that I needed to use gateway
support, even though I have no problem with other network software
such as mosaic, netscape, etc.  I first attempted using
url-gateway-method 'host, but url.el seems to only support 'native and
'program. If I attempt to use 'program, url.el seems to try to run
itelnet. I've looked for a while now on the web for this program and
have only found a binary (for what platform I do not know). If I need
to get itelnet, perhaps someone can point me to where to get it. Even
better would be if someone could tell me how to get w3 to function
under solaris2.4. We do not have a firewall. Or at least, mosaic and
netscape do not need proxy servers or whatever to run.


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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: tip for invisible font
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:25:42 -0500
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This was originally intended as a question, but I figured out the
answer, 
so I will post it as a tip for possible inclusion in the FAQ. 

Question: XEmacs was working fine earlier today, but when I just logged
in 
an "invisible" font. I can type characters but not see them. 
I think this a problem with my system, not XEmacs, but can anyone
recommend a solution?

Answer: Add the line 

(set-face-foreground 'default "black")           ; normal text

to the beginning of your .emacs file. (This assumes that your foreground
is not also black.)

Long live XEmacs!

______________________________________
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On 26 Jun 1996, Jonathan Edwards wrote:

> The blinking cursor in 19.14 is a nice touch.
> However there is a bit of a problem. The blink seems to be suppressed
> during cursor movement (such as leaning on an arrow key). But if you
> happen to start cursor movement when the blink is in the off state,
> the cursor stays off while you are moveing, and you can't see where
> you are going. This makes it unuseable with my typing habits.
> Better would be to force the cursor on during movement.
> 
> Regards,
> Jonathan
> 
> 

Agreed.  I thought the blinking cursor was cool, but had to
turn it off just now as I found I got lost when starting
to move the cursor around....and I thought that perhaps
it was due to the sluggish X server I was using.

-----------------------------------------------------------
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On 26 Jun 1996, Steven L Baur wrote:

> >>>>> "Silvio" == Silvio Picano <spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com> writes:
> 
> Silvio> Switching to 19.14, I now have red, gold, blue, & green
> Silvio> text colors in my modeline text strings. The color & font 
> Silvio> size make the modeline unreadable now.
> 
>  ...
> 
> Silvio> I cannot seem to get rid of these 4 colors. Already looked
> Silvio> at NEWS & sample.Xdefaults w/o any luck. Can someone please
> Silvio> suggest a solution?
> 
> The faces used in the modeline are:
> modeline
> modeline-mousable
> modeline-mousable-minor-mode
> modeline-buffer-id
> 
> The easiest way to change them is to use the Options/Edit Faces...
> command from the menubar.
> 

Obviously, not forgetting to "Save Options" afterwards.

--davidw@uiuc.edu


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Help please:

I am anxious to try out Xemacs 19.14. I downloaded the
precompiled binary for sparc-sun-solaris2.4, but Xemacs does not
start. The error message is

ld.so.1: sparc-sun-solaris2.4/xemacs-19.14:
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Killed

I am running SunOS 5.3 Generic sun4c sparc. The precompiled binary
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In article <199606261819.LAA24368@eagle>, mgeil@lmsc.lockheed.com (Martin
Geil) wrote:

>    I am having a problem with xemacs 19.14 on HPUX 10.01 not defining the
> ALT key as META.  In fact, I had the same problem with xemacs 19.13.
 <snip>

Thanks to everyone who sent me the answer, namely:

xmodmap -e 'remove Mod1 = Mode_switch'

And yes, I have LARTed myself for not checking the FAQ first...

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Cycling through buffers with button2 doesn't work on hyper-apropos and
info buffers. It is very annoying to click, click, click, oops --
doesn't work. :(

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Hi,

I have same problem for 19.14, the answer I got is it is broke in
19.14 for SunOS 4.1.3 pre-compiled version.
And the developer is working on it.

Midas


Silvio Picano writes:
 > Hello all,
 > 
 > I installed the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries of xemacs 19.14
 > yesterday, and I notice that my sounds do not play anymore.
 > 
 > I currently have the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries from 19.13,
 > and the sounds have been working since day 1. 
 > 
 > Do I need to change anything from my .emacs for 19.14 sounds?
 > Could antone suggest some things to try, short of a full-blown
 > re-compilation.
 > 
 > 
 > Thanks
 > Silvio
 > 
 > ----------------------
 > My sound/.emacs config:
 > 
 >     (cond ((string-match ":0" (getenv "DISPLAY"))
 >            (load-default-sounds)
 > 
 >            ;; Get a directory full of standard emacs audio files
 >            (defvar sounds_dir_0 (getenv "SOUNDS_0")
 >              "*Sound's directory.
 >            Initialized from the SOUNDS_0 environment variable.")
 >            ;; Get a directory full of not-so-standard sound files
 >            (defvar sounds_dir_1 (getenv "SOUNDS_1")
 >              "*Sound's directory.
 >            Initialized from the SOUNDS_1 environment variable.")
 > 
 >            ;# if not in environment vairables, try for defined links.
 >            (if sounds_dir_0 nil
 >                (setq sounds_dir_0 "~spicano/pub/lib/sounds0/"))
 >            (if sounds_dir_1 nil
 >                (setq sounds_dir_1 "~spicano/pub/lib/sounds1/"))
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >            (cond ((and (string-match "/" sounds_dir_0)
 >                        (string-match "/" sounds_dir_1))
 > 
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bark.au")        'bark 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bass-snap.au")   'bass-snap 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "boing.au")       'boing 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "bong.au")        'bong 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "click.au")       'click 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "clink.au")       'clink 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "cuckoo.au")      'cuckoo 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "ding.au")        'ding 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "drip.au")        'drip 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "drum-beep.au")   'drum-beep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "hammer.au")      'hammer 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "long-beep.au")   'long-beep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "low-smash.au")   'low-smash 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "mellowbweep.au") 'mellowbweep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "monkey.au")      'monkey 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "piano-beep.au")  'piano-beep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "quiet-beep.au")  'quiet-beep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "return.au")      'return 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "say-beep.au")    'say-beep 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "slap.au")        'slap 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "the-ping.au")    'the-ping 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "whip.au")        'whip 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_0 "yeep.au")        'yeep 20)
 > 
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_1 "Cool.au")        'cool 20)
 >                   (load-sound-file (concat sounds_dir_1 "Doh_.au")        'doh 10)   
 > 
 >                   (setq sound-alist (append '((default          :sound hammer   :volume 20)
 >                                               (undefined-key    :sound bark     :volume 20)
 >                                               (undefined-click  :sound ding     :volume 20)
 >                                               (command-error    :sound monkey   :volume 20)
 >                                               (no-completion    :sound slap     :volume 20)
 >                                              ;(y-or-n-p         :sound ding     :volume 20)
 >                                              ;(yes-or-no-p      :sound drip     :volume 20)
 >                                               (y-or-n-p         :sound doh      :volume 5)
 >                                               (yes-or-no-p      :sound doh      :volume 5)
 > 
 >                                              ;(auto-save-error  :sound whip     :volume 70)
 >                                             )
 >                                             sound-alist))
 >                   (message "Over-loading default sounds...done")
 >                   ))
 >            ))
 > 

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From: Steve Ho <ho@mozart.metsci.com>
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Subject: Indentation and cc-mode in 19.14
Date: 26 Jun 1996 15:26:07 -0400
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I've compiled the source distribution of Xemacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.5 
box and it runs great.  The only problem is when I'm editing *.C files
in c++-mode.  I've written lots of *.C files using 19.11 and the indentation
worked out of the box exactly how I liked it -- tab over 4 characters instead
of 2 and insert a tab instead of 4 spaces in the file.  After switching to 
19.14, however, I found that the default is now to tab over 2 characters 
and it uses spaces instead of tab characters.  So something that looked 
like this:

if(class1) {
    if(class1.func() != a) {
	do_something();
    }
}

now looks like:

if(class1) {
  if(class1.func() != a) {
    do_something();
  }
}

which is very annoying.  I've looked through the FAQ and searched Deja News
but with no luck.  The relevant parts of my ~/.emacs are:

(setq-default indent-tabs-mode t)
(setq-default tab-width 4)

which I thought would do the trick.  

Any ideas or help would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

Steve
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From: kyle_jones@wonderworks.com (Kyle Jones)
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Subject: Re: Adaption to filladapt?
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David S. Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> wrote:
 > I'm looking for a capability to fill paragraphs *excluding*
 > the first line.  A good example of this is filling an Emacs
 > outline like the following:
 > 
 > ================
 > * Title1
 > A paragraph describing this title
 > in more detail.
 > 
 > ** Subtitle1
 > A paragraph describing this title
 > in more detail as well.

Find this line in filladapt.el.

    ("[-~*+]+[ \t]" . bullet)

Remove the asterisk and re-byte-compile.  * won't be considered a
bullet character anymore.


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From: bitbug@seal.engr.sgi.com (James Buster)
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It seems as if (add-hook) makes the value of a hook variable buffer-local.
If I do an (eval-expression) in the minibuffer, with an argument of
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook), the value of
c-mode-common-hook only seems to change in the current buffer. Also,
even if I do (eval-expression) in the correct buffer, the value of
my c-mode-common-hook seems to be ignored. Here's the relevant code
from my .emacs. Btw, this worked fine in 19.13.


;; CC mode: c-mode, c++-mode, and objc-mode
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 8)
  (c-set-offset 'substatement-open 0)
  (c-set-offset 'case-label '+)
  (c-set-offset 'ansi-funcdecl-cont '+)
)
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)
-- 
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Bueschgens <sledge@hammer.oche.de> writes:

Thomas> Hi there!

Thomas> After upgrading from Xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 (nice job!!) and
Thomas> from Gnus Version 5.2.23 to 5.2.25 (nice job as usual, Lars)
Thomas> Mailcrypt 3.4 stopped working "correctly". Encrypting of Mail
Thomas> (major job for Mailcrypt on my system) still works reliable as
Thomas> before, but when I try to decrypt Mail (using the nnml-Backend
Thomas> in Gnus to read mail) I get an error-message like

Thomas> 	"Found no encrypted message in this buffer."

Hmm.  This sounds like an out-of-date Mailcrypt problem (which is not
Mailcrypt's fault).

Are you using a private copy of Mailcrypt 3.4 by any chance?
Mailcrypt has some dependencies on macros in Gnus source code, and
thus, must generally be rebytecompiled each time you upgrade Gnus.

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Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:
> xemacs -batch bar -l foo.el -f save-buffer

Don't ask my why this does not work. But alternatively you can use
this command:

    xemacs -batch -l foo.el -eval '(write-file "bar")'


Markus

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Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
> Jon Sundquist <jsundqui@buffnet.net> writes:
> > I do not have the Motif widget libraries, but do have the Metrolink
> >libXm-1.2.4 runtime Motif library that was bundled with my copy of
> >Caldera's WordPerfect port to Linux.  Will this be sufficicent to run
> >the precompiled motif shared library binary, or do I need to use the
> >Athena widget binary?
> 
> The dynamically linked binary kits for LinuxELF have been linked
> against Metrolink Motif. So it is very likely that you can use them
> with your run-time libraries.

Sorry to followup on my own message. I just noticed, that you were
talking about libXm.so.1.2.4. I believe, all Motif 1.2 libraries for
Linux are in A.OUT format. This means that there currently is probably
no binary kit that can take advantage of your Motif 1.2 libraries. You
should try to contact Caldera and ask for updated Motif 2.0 libraries
in ELF format.

Alternatively, you can use one of the other binary kits that I
mentioned or you have to hope that somebody else makes an A.OUT
version of XEmacs 19.14 available. So far, this has not been possible,
because AFAIK nobody of the beta-testers still has a properly installed
development environment for A.OUT. Besides, compatibility between
libraries in A.OUT format is rather poor, so it is not guaranteed that
a dynamically linked A.OUT version would work with your
libraries. BTW, this is one of the reasons why Linux' default file
format was changed to ELF.



Markus

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Jon Sundquist <jsundqui@buffnet.net> writes:
> I do not have the Motif widget libraries, but do have the Metrolink
> libXm-1.2.4 runtime Motif library that was bundled with my copy of
> Caldera's WordPerfect port to Linux.  Will this be sufficicent to run
> the precompiled motif shared library binary, or do I need to use the
> Athena widget binary?

The dynamically linked binary kits for LinuxELF have been linked
against Metrolink Motif. So it is very likely that you can use them
with your run-time libraries. A superficial inspection showed that
they will probably also work with Infomagic's Moo-Tiff. If you use the
binary kits with any other vendor's Motif libraries I would like to
hear about it (both success and failure reports). If you have
problems, please also report the output of "ldd -r `which xemacs`" and
of "ldconfig -v".

I believe, there also is a precompiled binary kit that has just the
Motif toolkit linked statically and everything else linked
dynamically. This is useful if you do not have the Motif libraries,
but you still want to use this GUI rather than the stock Athena
widgets. The drawback is, that this results in a bigger executable.

If everything else fails, you can use the binary kit that has
*everything* linked statically. It is called
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-ALLSTATIC.tar.gz. This kit has been
linked against Infomagic's Moo-Tiff.

If you think there should be other set of binary kits out there, feel
free to post a suggestions. If our resources allow to do so, we will
make them available. Note, that we currently have a problem with
providing binary kits for AOUT. When you read this message, this might
already have changed, so do double-check. As a work-around, you can
use the ALLSTATIC binary. Follow the instructions in the included
README file.


Markus

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Laszlo Teleki <laszlo@ipb10.ipb.uni-bonn.de> writes:
> 1. In Xemacs-19.13 the highlight of a line allways adapted to the
> specific font he found. This means that he changed the color but not
> the font! Now Xemacs-19.14 allways changes not also the color but the
> font to... I don't quite like it because Xemacs is geting slower.

In the "Options" menu there is a sub-menu labeled "Syntax
Highlighting". This allows you to select whether you want to do
highlighting by changing the font or by changing the color.


Markus

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From: Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu>
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Subject: 19.14: font-lock in dired mode
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:34:44 -0400
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Hello there,

has anyone some working settings for syntax highlighting in dired
using font-lock-mode? xemacs-19.13 was recognizing syntax for
directories and sym links i believe, but for some reason, this no
longer happens in 19.14... 

what is the variable that list the regexp for syntax highlighting in a
given mode? 

thank you.

-- 
Julien Maillard                                       maillard@vt.edu
Virginia Tech
                tel: (540) 231 4285,  fax: (540) 231 8836

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Help!
 
         I'm stuck with only 70 out of 90 possible points in Dungeon.
It would appear that I'm missing some items. I have found the
following (valuable) items:

egg
silver
gold
platinum
coins
diamond
amethyst
bracelet

Could someone point me in the direction of a missing item?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
--
Casey Nielson
knielson@joule.elee.calpoly.edu

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Does anyone else have problems with the graphical OOBR brouwser tool
using Linux?  I've built the graphical display tool Xoobr,
but it only displays the bottom half the the class tree, with
the top half blackened out.  Playing with resources has not
helped.  The same tool works fine on a Sun. Problem is the same
with xemacs 19.13 and 19.14..it's probably not an xemacs bug.

Help??

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Hi,

I just worked this out.
You need to add this in your .emacs:

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)

And you also need to use Options->Edit Faces to modify the hightlight
properties for dired-mode, just search "dired" when you are in edit-face
window.

Don't forget to save your own .emacs in advance before you click
 "Save Options" to save your changes.
Some are panic because the save option function has a little change,
you will see, I have no problem myself so far.

I'd like to know how to make shell-mode has same hightlight
functionality too, in case you or anyone finds it.

Good luck.

Midas

Julien Maillard writes:
 > Hello there,
 > 
 > has anyone some working settings for syntax highlighting in dired
 > using font-lock-mode? xemacs-19.13 was recognizing syntax for
 > directories and sym links i believe, but for some reason, this no
 > longer happens in 19.14... 
 > 
 > what is the variable that list the regexp for syntax highlighting in a
 > given mode? 
 > 
 > thank you.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Julien Maillard                                       maillard@vt.edu
 > Virginia Tech
 >                 tel: (540) 231 4285,  fax: (540) 231 8836

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From: hlam@bertil.hallf.lth.se (Anders Magnusson)
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Hi.

I have a problem with hm--html-menus-4.16 on XEmacs 19.14. When I 
type a Swedish character, like , I want it to write &auml; instead.
This worked before (XEmacs 19.13 and hm--html-menus-4.13) but not 
anymore.
Otherwise it seems to be very good, but this is annoying. Maybe it's
something that should be changed in .emacs or somewhere in the 
menus, but I can't find it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

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From: davidw@staff.uiuc.edu (wojtowicz david p jr)
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kshaw@plight.lbin.com (kendall shaw) writes:

>Hello,

>I have not succeeded in getting w3 to work. I think this should be a
>FAQ, but I don't see any mention of it in the FAQ. After looking at
>the documentation it seemed to say that I needed to use gateway
>support, even though I have no problem with other network software
>such as mosaic, netscape, etc.  I first attempted using
>url-gateway-method 'host, but url.el seems to only support 'native and
>'program. If I attempt to use 'program, url.el seems to try to run
>itelnet. I've looked for a while now on the web for this program and
>have only found a binary (for what platform I do not know). If I need
>to get itelnet, perhaps someone can point me to where to get it. Even
>better would be if someone could tell me how to get w3 to function
>under solaris2.4. We do not have a firewall. Or at least, mosaic and
>netscape do not need proxy servers or whatever to run.

Normally, you do not need anything extra to run W3.
However, I have also been unsucessful in getting W3 on 19.14 to
work under Solaris2.4.  The connections just wait forever.
I've had no problems with it on two other platforms.

-----------------------------------------------------------
David Wojtowicz, Systems Manager
Department of Atmospheric Sciences Computer Services
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
davidw@uiuc.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------


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Recently, I was forced to use Gnu Emacs instead of XEmacs
temporarily. During that time, I started using Gnus for the first time. 
Since mouse-3 wasn't being used, I defined it as follows:

(add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-hook
	  '(lambda () (local-set-key 
		       [mouse-3]
		       'gnus-summary-catchup-and-goto-next-group)))

Now that I've come back to XEmacs (19.14), I am trying to get used to the
differences. I quickly noticed that, despite my key setting, when I press
mouse-3 in the summary buffer, I get the Post menu. So, my first question
is, can this be changed so it does what I want?

Also, I noticed the Catchup-and-Exit button on the tool bar. That's cool,
but I'd prefer that it was Catchup-and-Goto-Next-Group. How can I redefine
it?

Thanks in advance.

Gail

PS. This came up when I tried to post this: How do I change the from line? I
have set gnus-user-from-line to "Gail Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>", but
XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it. Instead it uses "Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall>"
and then complains that it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my
Message-ID is screwy. How can I change that?


-- 
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

>> > I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.

Mark> Found it. No were in my path was the latest version of
Mark> gnuserv. I found it in the following path.
Mark> ./lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv
Mark> shouldn't this be in the arch bin as well.
Mark> ./bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05

Mark> It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv.  This was
Mark> pure luck that I found it. Is it documented anywere??

Mark> Also could this go in the FAQ I didn't find any reference to
Mark> gnuserv in it?

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_0_18

There are a couple of other gnuserv questions in Part 5.

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From: mullins@convex.com (Don Mullins)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: XEmacs 19.14 for HP/UX 9.05 and column-number-mode
Date: 27 Jun 1996 00:23:35 -0500
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column-number-mode does not put anything on the mode line for XEmacs
19.14. The line-number-mode works still, however.

The only mode line modifications I do is setting (line-number-mode t) and
(column-number-mode t) in my .emacs.

I did notice that line-number-mode is mentioned in the 
"setq-default modeline-format" statement in lisp/prim/modeline.el, but
column-number-mode is not.

Thanks for a great package!
Don


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>>>>> "Gennady" == Gennady Briskin <briskin@zedy04.desy.de> writes:

Gennady> Hi,
Gennady>  Ok I found out that definition for fortran-mode font-lock
Gennady> has been moved to fortran.el

Gennady>  But the whole thing is busted. In my .emacs I use

Gennady>  (setq fortran-font-lock-keywords fortran-font-lock-keywords-2)


Gennady>  but xemacs is complaining. Also none of the keywords like

Gennady> integer, data, real, etc.... 

Gennady>  are being highlited.

Gennady>  can anyone help with this problem. Is there a patch ???

Try putting (require 'fortran) ahead of your font-lock-keywords
assignment.

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Hi,

When I invoke rmail and go to the summary buffer using rmail-summary
(bound to h), the summary buffer appears at the bottom and the rmail
buffer at the top. I want the summary buffer on top.

Earlier versions of GNU Emacs had the same problem, but the newer
versions display it on top. How do I do this in Xemacs ?

Please reply by mail.

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>>>>> "Bidemi" == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.Newbridge.com> writes:

Bidemi> Hi, I recently got XEMACS 19.14 and am really happy with it
Bidemi> for the most part.

Bidemi> Except for when I try to list all the newsgroups under the
Bidemi> newsreader.  It prints out all the groups but they aren't in
Bidemi> any particular order.  It would be nice if they were at least
Bidemi> in alphabetical order.

Bidemi> Is there a way to set it up so that I can get the newsgroups
Bidemi> listed alphabeitcally?

Yes, and XEmacs will tell you how to do it if you ask:

M-x apropos gnus.*alpha RET
If you move the mouse over text that changes color,
you can click button2up to get more information.
In this buffer, type return to get full documentation.

gnus-group-sort-by-alphabet
  Function: Sort alphabetically.
gnus-group-sort-groups-by-alphabet
  Command: Sort the group buffer alphabetically by group name.
gnus-subscribe-alphabetically
  Function: Subscribe new NEWSGROUP and insert it in alphabetical order.

C-h f gnus-group-sort-groups-by-alphabet
gnus-group-sort-groups-by-alphabet: (&optional reverse)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "gnus".
Sort the group buffer alphabetically by group name.
If REVERSE, sort in reverse order.

A full explanation of how to do various arrangements of the Gnus
*Group* buffer is contained in the Gnus User's Manual.
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Kai Grossjohann writes:
 > Emacs 19.30 has this built-in.  I type C-h f gnus RET and this is what
 > I get:
 > 
 > ,-----
 > | gnus: an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus'.

xemacs' C-h f is really different :)

gnus: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "gnus".

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font-locking does not work anymore --- what am i missing?

tia
				gb

details:

(insert (emacs-version))
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700
HP-UX hp735 A.09.05 A 9000/735 2006394963 two-user license
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1.14/1.52
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Subject: How to customize an unknown mode (was Re: HTML Mode <tab> characters.)
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>>>>> "Brandon" == Brandon Harris <bharris@gaijin.com> writes:

Brandon> in 19.13, if i edited an HTML file, pressing <tab> did just
Brandon> that - it tabbed to the next tab stop.

Brandon> Upgraded to 19.14. HTML mode has lotsa new features that i'm just
Brandon> beginning to explore, but now the <TAB> character doesn't work in the
Brandon> same manner.

Brandon> I went through O'Reilly's Emacs book and read the faq, and tried a
Brandon> couple of things:

Brandon> (global-set-key "\C-i" 'tab-to-tab-stop)
Brandon> (global-set-key 'tab 'tab-to-tab-stop)

Brandon> but they didn't work.

It did work.  Defining keys in this fashion will work everywhere that
they are not explicitly overridden.  Instead of just answering your
question, let me explain how to figure out the answer yourself.

First off you have a key in an HTML buffer that doesn't do what you
wish it to.  So, find out what the key does.  Type C-h k (show key
definition) while the cursor is sitting in an HTML buffer.  You should
see something like:
sgml-indent-or-tab:
Indent line in proper way for current major mode.

This tells you right off that something special is being done in the
buffer.  Another useful command here is C-h m (describe major mode).
HTML mode:
Major mode for editing HTML documents.
This is based on PSGML mode, and has a sophisticated SGML parser in it.
It knows how to properly indent HTML/SGML documents, and it can do
  a form of document validation (use M-x sgml-next-trouble-spot\ to find
  the next error in your document).
Commands beginning with C-z insert various types of HTML tags
  (prompting for the required information); to iconify or suspend,
  use C-z C-z.
To literally insert special characters such as < and &, use C-c followed
  by the character.
Use C-c / to insert the proper closing tag.
Use C-c C-a to edit the attributes for a tag.
Use C-c C-c to show the current HTML context.

More specifically:

/		sgml-slash
>		sgml-close-angle
button3		sgml-tags-menu
tab		sgml-indent-or-tab
 ...

So that's where the redefinition comes from.

XEmacs has a convention with respect to customizing its major modes.
When you want to customize a major mode, you add a hook function to
the major mode hook.  In this case, it is html-mode, so you look for a
variable called html-mode-hook:  C-h v (describe variable) html-mode-hook

html-mode-hook's value is ((lambda nil (setq compile-command (concat "weblint " (file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name)))))
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
not documented as a variable.

This is not very helpful in this case.  It has the value here that it
does because I've got it customized in my .emacs:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'compile-command)
(add-hook 'html-mode-hook
	  '(lambda ()
	     (setq compile-command (concat "weblint "
					   (file-name-nondirectory
					    buffer-file-name)))))

That way, when the Compile icon on the tool bar is selected, weblint
is run on the HTML file (psgml/HTML mode already does validation, so
you don't really need to run the Webtechs html-check program on it).

Leading finally up to ...

Brandon> 	What should I put there to get <tab> to behave like <tab>?

Something like this:
(add-hook 'html-mode-hook
          '(lambda ()
             (local-set-key 'tab 'tab-to-tabstop)))

This process may seem cryptic at first, or like an adventure game, but
you get used to it very quickly.

The new users manual is a good reference, and the XEmacs User manual
is also a good reference.  You will also find references in the FAQ on
how to do things like this.

I admit that nice as the new HTML mode is, it could use some touch up
work to be more friendly.  This was on the todo list for 19.14, but
the clock ran out first.

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>>>>> "Allen" == Allen M Cohen <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> writes:

Oscar Figueiredo (Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch) wrote:
 : Hi, 

 : I've had various problems trying to edit HTML with 19.14

 : First I had to add the following line to psgml-html

 : (require 'psgml-xemacs)

 : because when trying to open a new HTML file I got the error:

 : (void-variable sgml-sgml-menu)

 : Now when I try to open an empty HTML file I got a message in the modeline that
 : says :

 : File mode specification error: (error "must specify some menu items")

 : This is a bit confusing because it does not trigger the debugger.

 : No HTML prolog is automatically added and the buffer for the new file remains
 : empty, so when I try to insert a new element I got an error message saying 'No
 : document type defined in prolog' and I found no menu to insert a new document
 : prolog as I used to have with the version of psgml I had installed with XEmacs
 : 19.13.

 : Any idea ???

Allen> All that works for me on Solaris 2.5 Allen> I think it's caused by a
Allen> conflict in your .emacs stuff; try xemacs -q

No it's definitely not because I've tried all this with -q -no-site-file
I am running the sparcworks binary for solaris under Solaris 2.4 but this
shouldn't make a difference in my opinion especially for the first bug: in the
file psgml-html.el a definition for sgml-sgml-menu is really missing (hence the
require psgml-xemacs I had to add). Has there been a buggy prerelease (I got my
version on tuesday from the ftp.sunet.se mirror) ?

Most important, if someone can tell me what the message 

File mode specification error: (error "must specify some menu items")

means that would be really helpful because I can't see where it comes from
since it does not trigger the debugger.

Oscar

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As I mentioned earlier, even on a 32 MB ULTRIX 4.3 machine, when I compile
and run XEmacs 19.14, I get a "memory exhausted" error when trying to bring up
the toolbar. (As someone suggested, I will rebuild with -fno-strength-reduce).
Has anyone gotten xemacs 19.14 to work on this OS?
(BTW, I've been a happy user of xemacs 19.11 on ULTRIX 4.3 for well over a
year).

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Julien Maillard (maillard@vt.edu) wrote:
: Hello there,

: has anyone some working settings for syntax highlighting in dired
: using font-lock-mode? xemacs-19.13 was recognizing syntax for
: directories and sym links i believe, but for some reason, this no
: longer happens in 19.14... 

Yes, I agree - even in xemacs 19.11 there were separate faces for those
pieces of dired buffer (I believe the faces were called bold and italic).
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From: bwarsaw@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "DO" == Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

>>>>> "BRG" == bobg@moon (Bob R. Gupta) writes:

    BRG> Just wanted to pass along the following info. I used to set
    BRG> my c-style-alist with the name "Bob" which worked in
    BRG> v13. This broke when I upgraded to v14 and I finally figured
    BRG> out that it doesn't like the capital "B" in the name, so I
    BRG> just renamed "Bob" -> "bob". Don't know if anyone else is
    BRG> having this problem, but try it if you are...

    DO> Yup.  For some unfathomable reason, cc-mode now accepts only
    DO> all-uppercase or all-lowercase style names.  Why?  I don't
    DO> know.

I just remembered that this has been fixed, but it didn't make it into
version 4.282, the cc-mode that is distributed with XEmacs 19.14.  It
is fixed in the latest beta release of cc-mode though.  Now
c-set-style also tries an exact case match, so using "Bob" as a
stylename should work again.  If you are impatient, here's a patch:


*** cc-mode.el	1996/04/03 21:45:34	4.286
--- cc-mode.el	1996/04/10 04:50:50	4.287
***************
*** 2270,2275 ****
  		       (completing-read prompt c-style-alist nil t))))
    (let ((vars (cdr (or (assoc (downcase stylename) c-style-alist)
- 		       ;; backwards compatibility
  		       (assoc (upcase stylename) c-style-alist)
  		       )))
  	(default (cdr (assoc "cc-mode" c-style-alist))))
--- 2270,2275 ----
  		       (completing-read prompt c-style-alist nil t))))
    (let ((vars (cdr (or (assoc (downcase stylename) c-style-alist)
  		       (assoc (upcase stylename) c-style-alist)
+ 		       (assoc stylename c-style-alist)
  		       )))
  	(default (cdr (assoc "cc-mode" c-style-alist))))


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Note that with cc-mode 4.282, you should not be setq'ing c-style-alist
directly.  Use the c-add-style function.  See the texinfo manual for
details.

-Barry

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>>>>> "Silvio" == Silvio Picano <spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com> writes:

  Silvio: Hello all,
  Silvio: I installed the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries of xemacs 19.14
  Silvio: yesterday, and I notice that my sounds do not play anymore.

  Silvio: I currently have the pre-compiled sparc-4.1.3 binaries from 19.13,
  Silvio: and the sounds have been working since day 1. 

  Silvio: Do I need to change anything from my .emacs for 19.14 sounds?
  Silvio: Could antone suggest some things to try, short of a full-blown
  Silvio: re-compilation.


I had the same problem, I think no sound support was built in the
pre-compiled version for SunOS 4.1.3

I sound worked with 19.13 why it shouldn't work with 19.14?
I wasn't mentioned in the NEWS/FAQ about changing setup for sound
between 19.13 and 19.14, so your setup should work...

Next week I will "try" to compile the whole XEmacs 19.14.
(I dais "try" because available time is the problem)


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Here's another deleting frames bug.  I've seen it with XEmacs 19.13 and
19.14, on linux with fvwm.  Set x-allow-sendevents t, create two frames,
iconify one of them, and send C-x 5 0 to the iconified frame.  The mapped
frame gets deleted, not the iconified one.

Ralph.

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>>>>> "SH" == Steve Ho <ho@mozart.metsci.com> writes:

    SH> I've compiled the source distribution of Xemacs 19.14 on a
    SH> Solaris 2.5 box and it runs great.  The only problem is when
    SH> I'm editing *.C files in c++-mode.  I've written lots of *.C
    SH> files using 19.11 and the indentation worked out of the box
    SH> exactly how I liked it -- tab over 4 characters instead of 2
    SH> and insert a tab instead of 4 spaces in the file.  After
    SH> switching to 19.14, however, I found that the default is now
    SH> to tab over 2 characters and it uses spaces instead of tab
    SH> characters.

XEmacs 19.11 used Boring Old C Mode (BOCM).  XEmacs 19.14 uses
cc-mode, which has a completely different customization model.  You
can either convert your customizations to cc-mode's way of doing
things (by reading the cc-mode manual that comes with XEmacs), or you
can check out the cc-compat.el file which helps map BOCM's variables
into cc-mode's indentation model.

-Barry


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In article <tbenn2y845.fsf@eris-e.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>, gkarabin@eris-e (George J. Karabin) writes:
> 
> 19.14 seems pretty cool to me so far. As a novice xemacs user, I'm
> trying to figure out how (or if) I can make the menu and toolbar
> versions of the open file command display information in the current frame,
> like the C-x C-f command does.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.


OK, here's my advice : spend a couple of weeks learning keyboard
commands.
After that the good question will come to you as being self-evident :
"How do I get rid of the toolbar ?"

JF

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From: Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se>
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Subject: xemacs19.14: Ange-ftp fails on CMS host
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Hello,

when ange-ftp'ing files from a CMS host then the ange-ftp that comes
with 19.14 does not handle the file names right. The 19.13 ange-ftp
did.

Example:

The dired buffer shows:
  /lmel:/EEDKSC.191:

  DELTA    USERLOG  V         38          5          1  2/22/95 15:08:57 DSK191
  LASTING  GLOBALV  V         36         40          1  6/27/96  9:25:13 DSK191
  MO_RECOV SGML     V      20033          1          5  6/27/96  9:26:24 DSK191
  PROFILE  EXEC     V         74         37          1  8/23/94 12:54:17 DSK191

Then going to MO_RECOV and pressing 'c' says in 19.13:
Copy MO_RECOV.SGML to: /lmel:/EEDKSC.191/

while 19.14 says:
Copy MO_RECOV SGML to: /lmel:/EEDKSC.191/
Note the missing '.'

(When trying the copy without the dot then it says something like
'invalid CMS name'.)
It seems to recognize the host as a CMS host.
Any hints?
Klaus

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From: Gennady Briskin <briskin@mail.desy.de>
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Subject: adding new font-lock-face
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:15:21 +0200
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Hi,
 Is it possible to add a new font-lock-face in .emacs

 Specifically I need to add few extra keywords in fortran-mode
 But I don't want to modify fortran.el file.

 cheers,
    gena.

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From: crisp@hugsvr.kaist.ac.kr (Chung Jae-youn)
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Hi,
I'm using eXceed in win-95 with xdm query to some workstation which runs
Solaris 2.5.
I tried meta key emulation by using left Alt key.
How can I do that..?

Thanx in adv.
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From: ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey)
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On 26 Jun 1996 17:01:38 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
>Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmii.com) wrote:
>> One question though - yellow for language keywords in font-lock?  Ick!
>
>I join the icking! :-)

  I renounce the icking!  Heretics!  Yellow is the One True Keyword
Color!  Thusly it has been my color since we were first blessed with
syntax highlighting.

  Of course it probably helps that I have the One True Background
Color as well, a very dark blue as opposed to eye-socket-searing
"white".

	Joe


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After upgrading our "old" 19.13 to XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid]
(mips-sgi-irix5.3) I get the following problem while trying to
activate info (C-h i) "Cannot open load file: mdtv-Info-mode". Any
ideas ?

BTW, while trying to figure out things, I've noticed that the command
'show-message-log' is not available, not in the menus and not as a
command (M-x).

Erez

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From: Markus Donderer <dm3773@scn.de>
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Subject: how to print in 2 columns ?
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Does someone know how to print a text with Xemacs in two colums in 
landscape format (like 'a2ps -2 file.txt').
Are there some postscript ELisp-packages ?

Bye

Markus Donderer   Email: markus.donderer@nbg.scn.de

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The header of this messages says it all:
Message-ID is w534tnxhawk.fsf@pille.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me,
and the domain name is missing in the "From:" line. I have hand-edited 
the "From:" line, otherwise GNUS refuses to send this article.

I have a SUN Solaris 2.5 system, the command "/bin/hostname" gives "pille"
and "/bin/domainname" gives "es.go.dlr.de". Both is correct.
So why does GNUS say, my system is misconfigured?




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From: cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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Subject says it; any ideas appreciated.  Thanks.

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>>>>> "James" == James Riely <jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk> writes:

    James> I can't get xemacs 19.14 to run gnus.  I get the following
    James> error on startup.  Any help greatly appreciated.  I have
    James> installed the binaries on a sparc solaris machine with no
    James> modifications.  Thanks, James.

    James> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp #<keymap "Message" 2
    James> entries 0x1c19>) easy-menu-create-keymaps("Message" ("Go to
[...]

You have an incompatible version of easymenu.el installed somewhere
(in auc-tex?). Remove it and everything will be fine.

The correct version of easymenu is provided with XEmacs.

Richard.

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Info sez there is such a utility, but I fear I can't find it (though
it's prolly in front of my nose).  Guidance appreciated.


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On 26 Jun 1996, Kai Grossjohann wrote:

> The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
> that has been posted as well.
> 
> >>>>> On 26 Jun 1996 13:00:52 +0200, marc@mpi.nl (Marc Fleischeuers)
> >>>>> said:
> 
>   Marc> (locate-library LIBRARY) finds your library in load-path. Still
>   Marc> looking for a good `whence', though, that tells me, for any given
>   Marc> function, whether it's a built-in or  (preloaded) defined in a lisp
>   Marc> lib. 
> 
> Emacs 19.30 has this built-in.  I type C-h f gnus RET and this is what
> I get:
> 
> ,-----
> | gnus: an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus'.
> | (gnus &optional ARG DONT-CONNECT SLAVE)

True. So I guess it's my own fault that I mainly mess with
preloaded and built-in functions. And no, you don't get 
+--------
|set-mark-command: an interactive compiled Lisp function
|preloaded from `/usr/local/gnu/share/emacs/19.31/lisp/simple.el'
|(set-mark-command ARG)
+---------
or
+--------
|start-process: a built-in function defined in 'src/process.c'
+----------

Would I want that information from `describe-function'? Probably
not. But right now, I can only get that from grepping around in
the sources. Couldn't a good `M-x which' help here?

Marc

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From: wrfuse@mab.ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: 19.14 probs: CPU-intensive cursor; vanishing menus
Date: 26 Jun 1996 22:21:26 GMT
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Here are several questions that I have from using the excellent
new version of XEmacs.

================================================================

1. When I use ^N or the arrow keys to move the cursor up or down
in a buffer, Xemacs 19.14 can't keep up with the autorepeat rate
of the key.  This means that the cursor keeps moving when I let up
on the key, which is disconcerting.  Also, the 'top' command shows
that Xemacs is using 2/3 of the CPU.

This is not a problem with 19.13, which uses only 10% of the CPU
to keep up with the autorepeating arrow key.  I.e., 19.14 is 6
times more CPU intensive for cursor movement.

This happens even in a 20-line buffer with (turn-off-font-lock)
applied and line-number-mode at nil.

In fact, with 19.14, I can type faster than it can process my
keystrokes.  If there is anything else running on the machine,
then this really happens.

This is on a Sun IPC with SunOS.

Are there any other options that I can set to make cursor movement
less CPU-intensive?

================================================================

2. When I first start Xemacs, the menu bar contains App and Tools.
However, they quickly disappear when new menu items are added.  Is
this because of lack of space, or what?

================================================================

3. How do you connect Xemacs to a dumb tty?  I did a
(make-tty-device "/dev/ttyp0"), which caused ttyp0 to go blank.
However typing anything there causes beeps.  Should I also make a
console?  How?  What else should I do?

================================================================

Thanks.

/ wrfuse@mab.ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)


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From: Alastair Burt <burt@serv-201.dfki.uni-kl.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: 19.14: font-lock in dired mode
Date: 27 Jun 1996 12:17:40 +0200
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amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

> Julien Maillard (maillard@vt.edu) wrote:
> : Hello there,
> 
> : has anyone some working settings for syntax highlighting in dired using
> : font-lock-mode? xemacs-19.13 was recognizing syntax for directories and
> : sym links i believe, but for some reason, this no longer happens in
> : 19.14...
> 
> Yes, I agree - even in xemacs 19.11 there were separate faces for those
> pieces of dired buffer (I believe the faces were called bold and italic).

It seems that the code for highlighting in dired has been taken out of the
font-lock package.  If you put the following in your ~/.emacs file you
should get the old highlighting, and some more:

 (add-hook 'dired-load-hook 
           '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight))
           t)

--- alastair

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.3 Compilation
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Chuck Thompson wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Craven <tcraven@mobile-systems.bt.co.uk> writes:
> 
>     Tony> I've got XEmacs 19.14 source and I'm compiling it up for
>     Tony> Solaris 2.3. All is going well until it gets to thefinal
>     Tony> build stages when I get the following...
> 
>     Tony> ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.6: can't open file: errno=2
> 
> You probably used --site-libraries to specify where to find libXpm.
> On Solaris you need to use --site-runtime-libraries.
> 
>                         -Chuck

Thanks. I eventually found the problem. I'd got the latest version of libXpm
in one directory pointed to by --site-libraries and an old copy residing in
a system library directory. I just removed one of tem and it all worked fine.


				Tony.....
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14: toolbar & fonts & modeline
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:20:02 -0700
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William Perry wrote:
> 
>   The reason the colors aren't working is because they are controlled
> by extents on the modeline-format _STRING_ itself.  So you would need
> to do a bunch of extent hacking.  Check out lisp/prime/modeline.el for
> what is currently done.  Can get a tad hairy, but ... :)

Thanks a lot for your reply, that's all that I needed to know - a quick 
look into modeline.el helped to solve this one. Actually it's not that 
bad with the extents, I just did the following:

(setq-default modeline-modified (purecopy '("%1*%1* ")))
(setq-default modeline-buffer-identification (purecopy '("%17b")))

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			  'modeline-buffer-identification)
		    (purecopy " -- ")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy " -- ")
		    (purecopy "%[(")
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist))
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy ")%] -- ")
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "P %l:%c"))
		    (purecopy " -- ")
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy " %-")))

which is basically stolen from modeline.el. BTW why is modeline-modified 
a const and modeline-buffer-identification a var???

Thanks again,
Thomas

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: parent matching
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:21:33 +0200
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Sascha Ziemann wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think that parent-matching does not work right. I don't use a bar
> cursor and "steady paren".
> 
> If I place the cursor on the beginning of two pantens it works fine but
> if I put the cursor in the end, it does not work right, because I have
> to put the cursor behind the two parents which I want to examine.
> 
> Example: (some(thing))
>               ^      ^
> 
> If the cursor highlights the last parent, the inner parent will be
> marked as the matching one. This seams quite wrong to me.
> 
On my system, cursor highlightning works fine. Note that "point" (i.e. what
you call cursor) is always between two characters, never *on* a character.
Having "point" located between two closed parentheses highlights that
opening one that belongs to the closed parenthese at the left of point.
I don't know if you want it to behave that way, but at least that's how
it's intended to work.

Ronald
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Hello,

i have problems with files containing tabs (even *help* buffers).  They
are not displayed.

I think it depends on some X11 Resources. When i copied my init files
from the sparc to the linux platform the same effect was copied too.

Am I alone?

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From: Francesco Potorti` <F.Potorti@cnuce.cnr.it>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: nntp connection pb with Xemacs 19.14
Date: 27 Jun 1996 13:39:35 +0200
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els@mips.arl.psu.edu (Eric L. Schott) writes:

						 The configure script
   failed to define "HAVE_SOCKETS."  I manually defined HAVE_SOCKETS
   in the config.h file and rebuilt the executable.  Gnus worked fine.
   I did not take the time to fix the configure script.

For some strange reason, the configure script defines
HAVE_INET_SOCKETS, which is AFAIK never used in the source.  That is
what I put in the configuration file for Motorola Delta, delta.h:

#ifdef HAVE_INET_SOCKETS	/* this comes from autoconf  */
# define HAVE_SOCKETS		/* NSE may or may not have been installed */
#endif

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Is it possible to see the messages generated by the execution of the
.emacs init file after it has completed ? They do appear in the minibuffer
but it's hard to follow them.

--Mats

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs
Subject: How to get rid of lisp-indent-line when pressing tab?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:34:31 +0200
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xemacs 19.13, running under Solaris 2.4:

I would like to have my TAB key behave uniformly, i.e. tabbing to the next tab stop.
This works fine in general, except if major mode is Perl, Lisp or elisp. In these
modes, pressing TAB either does nothing or tabulates to some "weird" position 
(obviously depending on the content of the previous line).

Using describe-key, I found that TAB is bound to indent-for-tab-command in Perl
mode and to lisp-indent-line in Lisp and elisp mode. I suppose that these 
settings cause the weird behaviour of the TAB key.

I did not find any statements in my .emacs which I could recognize as being 
responsible for these settings. Is there a possibility to revert the TAB key
to the behaviour, that it will tab to some fixed tab stops only?

Ronald
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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
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Subject: [19.14] Save Options
Date: 27 Jun 1996 15:43:01 +0200
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Hi,

I have a problem with the save-options. I often invoke XEmacs with the
-u switch  (xemacs -u david) from a different account. 

My .emacs file contains the following:

;;; new for 19.14
(setq save-options-file "~david/.xemacs-options")
(setq save-options-init-file "~david/.emacs")

When I do a save-options (from the pull-down menu), the following code
is generated:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings

Does anybody know how to make it generate

   (load-options-file "~david/.xemacs-options")

instead? Or how can I disable this feature?

If you can help, please e-mail me (as well as posting), as my news feed
is very iffy.

Thanks

David Barr.

Oren Semiconductor Ltd.,      | E-mail: david@oren.co.il
P.O.Box 201,                  | Tel:    +972-4-9894565  
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From: acp66@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Markus Dickebohm)
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Date: 27 Jun 1996 08:57:15 GMT
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James Riely (jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk) wrote:
: I can't get xemacs 19.14 to run gnus.  I get the following error on
: startup.  Any help greatly appreciated.  I have installed the binaries
: on a sparc solaris machine with no modifications.  Thanks,
: James.

I have the same problem on 
	Intel-Linux 2.0.0 ELF Athena-Widgets (self-compiled)
	DEC-Alpha Linux 2.0.0 (self-compiled)

Any help appreciated,
Markus

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Subject: Re: parent matching


> 
> Sascha Ziemann wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think that parent-matching does not work right. I don't use a bar
> > cursor and "steady paren".
> > 
> > If I place the cursor on the beginning of two pantens it works fine but
> > if I put the cursor in the end, it does not work right, because I have
> > to put the cursor behind the two parents which I want to examine.
> > 
> > Example: (some(thing))
> >               ^      ^
> > 
> > If the cursor highlights the last parent, the inner parent will be
> > marked as the matching one. This seams quite wrong to me.
> > 
> On my system, cursor highlightning works fine. Note that "point" (i.e. what
> you call cursor) is always between two characters, never *on* a character.
> Having "point" located between two closed parentheses highlights that
> opening one that belongs to the closed parenthese at the left of point.
> I don't know if you want it to behave that way, but at least that's how
> it's intended to work.
>

It's set up this way so that the matching opening paren is highlighted as
soon as the closing paren is typed.  This way, you don't have to you don't
have to move back a character to check the paren matching then move forward
again to continue typing.

Later,
Kelly


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From: Miguel Oyarzun <moyarzun@irakere.bbn.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Gnus 5.2.25 and XEmacs 19.14 -- POP Mail Help
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Greetings,

I am trying to use Gnus 5.2.25 as a mail reader under XEmacs 19.14, and
am having difficulty determining the proper configuration to get Gnus
to fetch my mail over a POP connection. I have been able to get VM to
do this, so I believe 'movemail' is working properly. But when Gnus
tries to fetch the mail, I get the following messages:

	Reading active file via nnml...
	nnml: Reading incoming mail...
	Getting mail from post office ...
	Cannot read active file from nnml server.

Here's my .gnus file:

	(setq gnus-local-domain "bbn.com")
	(setq gnus-local-organization "BBN Systems & Technologies")
	(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")))
	(setq nnmail-spool-file "po:moyarzun")

I have defined environment variable MAILHOST (and NNTPSERVER) to the
correct hostnames (e.g. foo.bbn.com). I am running XEmacs 19.14 under
SunOS-4.1.3 from locally-built binaries. Gnus works fine as a news
reader. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanx in advance,

Miguel - moyarzun@bbn.com



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From: buesing@demaco5.demaco.com (Neil J. Buesing)
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Subject: gnuserv and gnuattach problem
Date: 27 Jun 1996 08:46:48 -0500
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If I launch xemacs-19.14 with gnuserv in a terminal window and then execute
the gnuattach in the same window, I get weird behavior.

Here is what I type:


demaco5:~ 92 >xemacs -f gnuserv-start >& /dev/null &
[1] 27407
demaco5:~ 93 >gnuattach .emacs

[1]  + Suspended (tty output) xemacs -f gnuserv-start >& /dev/null


I do not run gnuattach .emacs until xemacs has completed loading.
Then gnuattach just sits there until I put it in the bacground and
put xemacs 'fg %1' in the foreground.

System Status:

 system        : IRIX 5.3
 shell         : tcsh
 parent window : xwsh


If you run xemacs in one xwsh and gnuattch in another, everything
works just fine.

 
-Neil

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From: krumnow@srsir02.ext.sap-ag.de (Joachim Krumnow)
Subject: How to construct a popup menu?
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Hi XEmacsers,

I'd like to create a popup menu w/ context-sensitive items like the
'default-popup-menu' (you know, Undo, Cut, Copy...; and only
sensitive, if there's anything to undo, cut,...). I want the
Cut/Copy/Paste.. and the mode specific commands in one popup menu,
e.g. to be able to paste text into my c-file and to ^backshlashify^ it
using the same mouse button.

In the default-popup-menu, the context sensitive menus are made by
specifying ":filter edit-menu-filter"

However, every try to construct an own menu containing the
Cut/Copy..-stuff and a normal major mode menu failed. The common error
message was a text, that the function popup-menu does not understand
the :filter specifier. So I'm at my wit's end. Can anyone please give
me a hint?

Many thanks in advance
	Achim
-- 
      * Disclaimer: I speak only for myself.* 
Joachim Krumnow      | 'Joy of Sex' is a bestseller. Hm.
krumnow@sap-ag.de    | X is from MIT, but where from are 
+49 351 4811 243     | S and e ?

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From: blue@cam.nist.gov (James L Blue)
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Subject: 19.14: info emacs fails
Date: 27 Jun 1996 14:09:04 GMT
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For 19.14, mips-sgi-irix5.3, Clicking on Help, then Info, then Emacs fails, saying 
"Info file emacs does not exist". This occurred both on the pre-made executable
and on the version that I compiled. The rest of the items on the Info screen work.
(The info directory has the xemacs.info-xx files, xx = 1..20,  in it.)

-- 
# #  #    #
Jim Blue
blue@nist.gov

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I have installed the pre-compiled Xemacs 19.14 Irix 5.3 version on a 
machine which also has GNU Emacs 19.31 (which was compiled locally). 

In many cases, attempts to load Lisp files in Xemacs 19.14 result in the 
mesaage that the Lisp has been compiled at version 19.29 or later. This 
is evidently an error message, because the Lisp function fails to 
operate. A simple example of this is "lunar.el" from the pull-down menu 
for phases of the moon.

The cause of the message is seen if one displays the value of load-path 
(with C-h v load-path), as the long list of Lisp directories begins with 
those containing the Emacs 19.31 files, followed by the Xemacs 
directories. The problem can be "cured" by removing all access to the 
Emacs directories, but that of course prevents Emacs 19.31 from working.

Xemacs' load-path is supposed to be composed from directories that are 
"near" its executable, but reinstalling it far away from /usr/local, 
where Emacs' Lisp files live, still leaves the Emacs' directories in 
Xemacs' load-path (as well as the correct Xemacs directories). Setting 
the environment variable EMACSLOADPATH does add to the list, but only 
after the unwanted Emacs directories.

The only workable cure that I have found so far is to use set-variable to 
redefine load-path so as to exclude the unwanted Emacs 19.31 directories. 
The same effect can be made automatic by putting

(setq load-path '("................"))

into site-lisp/default.el. 

However, the problem ought not to have arisen in the first place.

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CM> == Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au>

 CM> Subject says it; any ideas appreciated.  Thanks.

Well, my magic-super-duper Debugging Crystal Ball is a bit hazy, since you
didn't bother to tell us what version of XEmacs, whether it was one of the
precompiled binaries or built at your site, the OS version you're running,
or in fact anything whatsoever about your situation.

That said, the odds are that you're on SunOS 4.1.x, you got the
precompiled binaries, and your site is set up to use DNS instead of NIS or
/etc/hosts for host name lookups.

The fix is to compile XEmacs yourself, because the prebuilt binaries are
built on a "stock" SunOS which is statically linked with a libc containing
the NIS/hosts behavior rather than one containing DNS gethostby* code.
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In article <slrn4t4jud.bd4.ogre@earth.atomic.com> ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey) writes:


  > On 26 Jun 1996 17:01:38 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
  > >Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmii.com) wrote:
  > >> One question though - yellow for language keywords in font-lock?  Ick!
  > >
  > >I join the icking! :-)
  > 
  >   I renounce the icking!  Heretics!  Yellow is the One True Keyword
  > Color!  Thusly it has been my color since we were first blessed with
  > syntax highlighting.
  > 
  >   Of course it probably helps that I have the One True Background
  > Color as well, a very dark blue as opposed to eye-socket-searing
  > "white".
  > 
  > 	Joe
  > 

I'd also join the icking. But luckily The One True Editor offers us
its unique blessing of so-called "Customization", so I don't have to
stick with other people's sick colour preferences... :-)

Are there any ergonomic studies or experiences about the Really True
Color Settings which will please my eyes with comfort as long as I can
stand sitting in front of the box?  Do I use too few commas?

  Christian
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From: Thomas A Peterson <tap@aristotle.src.honeywell.com>
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Subject: Toolbar bug 19.14 (SunOS4.1.4 gcc 2.7.2 X11R6.1)
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The toolbar of my primary window is getting whacked after selecting the
mail toolbar icon.  Specifically is looks similar to vm's menubar except a
portion of the bottom is removed.

I have the following entry in my .emacs files. If I comment it out then the
problem goes away.

(setq vm-toolbar-orientation 'top)

I can recreate the porblem with the following actions:
 xemacs -q
 (setq vm-toolbar-orientation 'top)
 select mail icon
 C-x 5 0 ;; mail frame
 select mail icon  -- original frame is now hosed.

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In article <31D1876E.896@math.uiuc.edu>,
Loren Striegel  <strieg@math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>We are using:
>GNU Emacs 19.29.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) and also
>XEmacs 19.13
>
>We have noticed odd behavior when editing a tex document and running the
>spell checker.

Which spell checker?
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By default, TAB indents a line according to the language mode; it's
not anything you requested.

There is a new order of things which should allow you to just add
  (global-set-key "\t" 'self-insert-command)
to your .emacs, and this will fix things for lisp and emacs-lisp
modes.

For most other modes, you will need to add something like
  (add-hook 'perl-mode-hook '(lambda () (local-unset-key "\t")))

However, the auto indenting functions are very helpful; consider
learning to adapt and use them.  You can also indent a line according
to mode by going to the previous line and typing linefeed.

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When I use the UnixWare make I get make errors complaining that a line
is too long in src/Makefile.  I used gnu make and that solved
that problem.

When dumping xemacs from temacs I get an arithmetic exception which
drops a core file instead of xemacs

configure --with-gcc=yes --with-toolbars=yes --with-gnu-make --puresize=750000
--with-x --use-system-malloc

using gcc 2.7.2


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Joe Rumsey (ogre@atomic.com) wrote:
>   I renounce the icking!  Heretics!  Yellow is the One True Keyword
> Color!

Especially on "tan" background. ;)

>   Of course it probably helps that I have the One True Background
> Color as well, a very dark blue as opposed to eye-socket-searing
> "white".

I had to move from "tan" to "beige"....

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From: Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.Newbridge.com>
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Hi,

I have the xemacs-19.14 binaries running on my Solaris 2.5 station at work and 
I love it!  I love the Motif-like look and feel and the fact that you can do
anything from code development to news to mail all from one system.  A big
thanks to all the developers of this system!!!

I decided to bring it home to my Linux 2.0.0 system running the ELF dynamic 
library Red Hat Motif 2.0 mwm environment under MetroX.  I got the
	
	xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz

and
	
	xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-shared.tar.gz

files that I thought I needed.

I put them on my system and it freezes it.  I had to use the dreaded RESET button
to get things going again.

Last night, I thought that I would try running xemacs-19.14 out of the X
environment and it came up.  I thought that this was supposed to only run under X.

Anyhow, does anyone know why this thing is freezing up my system?  Have I got
the wrong system dependent binary file?  Does it have anthing to do with my version or source for Motif?   Should I just try the statically linked ELF version of
xemacs-19.14 for Motif?  Does it have anything to do with the new 2.0.0 kernel?

Thanks for any help.

R. Bidemi Temidire
	

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>>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

    Darryl>      Well, the message log buffer is still there.  You could just
    Darryl> switch to it to see the contents.  Note that the name is "
    Darryl> *Message-Log*", and not "*Message-Log*" (note the leading space,
    Darryl> which has to be entered using C-q).

Or, just type C-H l to view the messages (in order of most recent message
first). 

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Allen M. Cohen wrote:
> 
> Used gcc 2.7.2
> 
> ./configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --cflags '-O -G 0'
> 1) needed to link ultrix.h with ultrix4-3.h  (conftest.c complained)
> 2) emacsserver.c:64 -- comment out "#include <sys/socket.h>
>    (redefinition linger, sockaddr, sockproto, msghdr)
> 3) waitpid's prototype in ULTRIX 4.3 is:
>    waitpid (pid_t, union wait *, int options);
> 4) lib/Xpm.a (misc.o): strdup mult defined
>    Fix: In alloc.c:467
>    #ifndef HAVE_XPM
>    #ifdef NEED_STRDUP
>    ...
>    #endif
>    #endif
> 5) First the good news:  Finally built it.
>    Now the bad news: when starting up, I see a blank toolbar and
>    "memory exhausted" msg in mini-buffer.
>    Any suggestions???
I tried it out on another ULTRIX 4.3/mips machine that has 64 MB of 
memory and about 300 MB of swap -- still got "memory exhausted" upon 
trying to display the toolbar.

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On my system, the best font to use is Adobe Courier 12 pt. However, the italic
version of the font is computed and does not look good. There is an oblong font
that looks much better, but GNUS and other packages try to create an italic
version of the normal base font (disregarding the default italic setting). I've
edited the appropriate fonts.dir file so italic Courier uses the oblong
definition. What have other's done? Are there better fonts?

Thanks,

Brad

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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14 on RedHat Motif 2.0.0
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BT> == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.Newbridge.com>

 BT> Last night, I thought that I would try running xemacs-19.14 out of
 BT> the X environment and it came up.  I thought that this was supposed
 BT> to only run under X.

Nope; it works on ttys (though it is suboptimal at screen redraws).

 BT> Anyhow, does anyone know why this thing is freezing up my system?
 BT> Have I got the wrong system dependent binary file?  Does it have
 BT> anthing to do with my version or source for Motif?  Should I just try
 BT> the statically linked ELF version of xemacs-19.14 for Motif?  Does it
 BT> have anything to do with the new 2.0.0 kernel?

Quite possibly.  My suggestion is to try compiling it yourself, since that
way all the libraries will be linked right, any changes in the 2.0.0
kernel will be detected by configure, etc.

The binary kits are *conveniences*, not cure-alls; there's no good way to
make a binary kit that will work for everyone, on every variation of a
system.
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In article <Mats.Weber-2706961243450001@mlma27.elca-matrix.ch>,
Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> wrote:
>Is it possible to see the messages generated by the execution of the
>.emacs init file after it has completed ? They do appear in the minibuffer
>but it's hard to follow them.
>
>--Mats

i believe the command is show-message-log 
this works in 19.13


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David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu> writes:

> What I want to do is mark all 30 messages, say "save all the marked
> messages", and have each message end up in the right file.  Right now,
> VM seems to want to put them all into one file.

Just hit capital "A" :-)

-bob

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In article <x620j3i712.fsf@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu>,
David Fenyes  <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:
>More importantly, I get the following message on startup:
>
>Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
>
>and the .emacs file is never loaded.  This happens even without a
>.emacs file, and as best as I can tell, happens somewhere after the
>cl-extra package is loading.  I can't localize it any more than that.

I have the same problem when compiling with the SparcWorks compiler under
Solaris 2.4.  I haven't a clue as to what is wrong nor how to investigate it.
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>>>>> "Mathew" == Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung} <gast@cteq07.pa.msu.edu> writes:
Mathew> : gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
Mathew> : -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
Mathew> : [lots of .o files skipped for brevity]

The problem with your original problem report was that the [lots of

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Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:

> You have an incompatible version of easymenu.el installed somewhere
> (in auc-tex?). Remove it and everything will be fine.
> 
> The correct version of easymenu is provided with XEmacs.

Many thanks for your answer. Now, everything works as expected.

Markus


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Chuck Thompson  <cthomp@xemacs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:
>
>    Raymond> BTW, why aren't the precompiled binaries stripped ?  I
>    Raymond> can see no use for debugging symbols in binary
>    Raymond> distributions, whereas it takes a lot of space and
>    Raymond> bandwidth.
>
>    Steven> If you think you don't need the symbols, strip them
>    Steven> yourself.
>
>No, do NOT strip them yourself.  You cannot strip a dumped image.
>This means that you cannot strip a binary kit since we do not include
>the undumped binaries.
>
>Everything else Steven said is right on the money, though.  The
>symbols don't cost you anything except some disk space but they can be
>a big aid for debugging.

Chuck, that may be but can you explain why:
keithh@atreus [68]: ls -l /bnr/projects/step/bin/xemacs-19.1[34]
-rwxr-xr-x   1 keithh   lancomm   5304320 Jan 18 21:54 /bnr/projects/step/bin/xemacs-19.13*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 keithh   lancomm  11221684 Jun 25 14:21 /bnr/projects/step/bin/xemacs-19.14*

Both versions of xemacs were built on HP-UX 9.05, "out-of-the-box" with
% ./configure --prefix=/bnr/projects/step
% make

On my linux 2.0 machine, the 19.14 executable is >9MB.  I no
longer have 19.13 available for comparison.  It is experiencing
the same slow-down.

It may not be related but the 19.14 distribution has serious
performance problems.  If I run "xemacs -q -no-site-file", cursor
movement is very snappy.  If I then eval (display-column-mode) the
cursor movement slows down noticably although it isn't yet
unusable.  If I load the rest of my .emacs, it becomes unusable.
In 19.13 there was no performance problem.  I've checked the lisp
directory and the macros have been byte-compiled.

To give you an idea of the problem, when I hold down the right
arrow-key for five seconds and then release it, the cursor spends
another 4 seconds catching up and the xemacs cpu consumption jumps
to 50% of a HP712.  This becomes worse when I have additional
frames and windows.

I have a number of other problems with the upgrade which I will 
address in a separate posting.

Notwithstanding these problems, I appreciate the quality and
professionalism you, Ben, and others have applied to this fine
software.

Regards,
Keith Hanlan      KeithH@nortel.ca      NORTEL Ottawa, Canada      613-765-4645

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From: Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
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Subject: Re: How to get rid of lisp-indent-line when pressing tab?
Date: 27 Jun 1996 20:06:56 +0200
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>>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:34:31 +0200, Ronald Fischer
>>>>> <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> said:

  Ronald> I would like to have my TAB key behave uniformly,
  Ronald> i.e. tabbing to the next tab stop.  This works fine in
  Ronald> general, except if major mode is Perl, Lisp or elisp. In
  Ronald> these modes, pressing TAB either does nothing or tabulates
  Ronald> to some "weird" position (obviously depending on the content
  Ronald> of the previous line).

As Ethan has already described, you might want to get used to the
syntax-oriented indentation provided by TAB.

I suggest that you try out where TAB indents a line for a while.  If
you think that it basically does something useful (intending more to
the right, for example, the more braces are open, and stuff like
this), then you can go ahead and configure the fine points, like the
increment of indenting, or changing the indent of the open brace, or
something.

You can always use M-i to tab-to-tab-stop.  This is a binding that I
have never seen overridden in any mode.

kai
-- 
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From: Loren Striegel <strieg@math.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Re: Spell checker in .tex mode
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Kevin Gallagher wrote:
> 
> In article <31D1876E.896@math.uiuc.edu>,
> Loren Striegel  <strieg@math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >We are using:
> >GNU Emacs 19.29.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) and also
> >XEmacs 19.13
> >
> >We have noticed odd behavior when editing a tex document and running the
> >spell checker.
> 
> Which spell checker?

Whichever comes with emacs...
I guess it is called ispell



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>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:22:23 GMT, Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com>
>>>>> said:

>>>>> On 24 Jun 1996 21:16:35 +0200, Kai Grossjohann said:

  Kai> I advise you to consider the fabulous shell*.el files from
  Kai> Simon Marshall.

  Justin> Where are these?

archive.cis.ohio-state.edu in a directory called elisp-archive.  I
forget the exact location.  In that directory, you will find a file
LCD-datafile which you can search in.  In that file "~" means the
directory where you found the LCD-datafile.

  Justin> Any recommendation in terms of csh vs. ksh?

Theses shell*.el files work just as well with csh as with ksh.  But
when you use csh you will have to get used to the fact that the Emacs
shell mode uses TAB for filename completion (as does the rest of
Emacs) rather than ESC like the csh does.

Also, it is important to realize that the concept of the *shell* mode
is that Emacs reads one line of input, and only when you hit RET is
that line sent to the shell.  This means that programs that expect
single-character inputs won't work.

kai
-- 
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>>>>> "Vladimir" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

Vladimir> Everyone is on fire with the new release, and you worry
Vladimir> about faces :-) A x-face is a string of gibberish in a
Vladimir> X-Face: header that can be decoded to the mugshot of the
Vladimir> sender. The procedure is described in
Vladimir> http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html

The specific reference in the FAQ is:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_10

If you are having trouble with the conversion, try feeding the .xbm to
the xbm2xface perl script written by <stig@hackvan.com> in the
compface distribution on XEmacs.org.  This script is *not* in the
canonical compface.tar.Z file in Indiana.

-- 
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This seems to be a very ridiculous Q yet I've searched through a large number of
variable definitions, and I've hit countless modes that can be font-locked
including postscript, scheme, etc.,

BUT I can't find a mode for csh or sh script editting - surely someone has coded
one up!?

It seems a crime to have to edit these scripts using just Fundamental -----

Can someone kindly clue me in?

Many thanks in advance for any hints
Randy


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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.os.linux.misc
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Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung} writes:

> I downloaded the XEmacs source on Sunday, and I've been having trouble
> compiling it ever since.

> feynman:~$ uname -a Linux feynman 1.2.13 #1 Sun Jun 2 14:24:03 GMT-0600
> 1996 i586
 
> When I then run make, everything goes quit nicely for a long time, but
> when it tries to make the object "temacs", it terminates like so:

>gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
>-L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
>[lots of .o files skipped for brevity]
>-llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
>-lncurses                `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
>`gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`

>lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
>lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
>make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src'
>make: *** [src] Error 2

put the ncurses library 'offline'
("mv /usr/lib/ncurses /usr/lib/ncurses.old"),
then untar XEmacs, do a ./configure and make.

(I use "./configure i586-unknown-linuxaout --with-gcc --cflags='-pipe -O2
-fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2
-malign-functions=2' --dynamic --with-menubars=lucid --with-xpm")

-- 
Nat    Linux

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I am trying out the new xemac-19.14, and I can not seem to get
control-C control-C to stop the running program as I did in 
previous versions of xemacs and emacs.

-- 
	- Bill Hoffman (hoffman@crd.ge.com)

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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

Chris> Info sez there is such a utility, but I fear I can't find it (though
Chris> it's prolly in front of my nose).  Guidance appreciated.

Yup.  C-h f batch-unrmail

batch-unrmail: an autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "unrmail".
Convert Rmail files to mailbox files.
Specify the input Rmail file names as command line arguments.
For each Rmail file, the corresponding output file name
is made by adding `.mail' at the end.
For example, invoke `emacs -batch -f batch-unrmail RMAIL'.

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David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu> writes:

David> The problem is that it only works if I select "save" (or "s") on each
David> message *separately*.  If I'm trying to save 30 messages into three
David> different files, it's kind of pain to say "save" 30 times.

David> What I want to do is mark all 30 messages, say "save all the marked
David> messages", and have each message end up in the right file.  Right now,
David> VM seems to want to put them all into one file.

You can setup a virtual folder of these messages, and use auto-archive on
the virtual folder. Works quite nicely for me.

Regards,
-- 
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Bitten by the Netscrape INN server bug again.  :-(  Let me repost this.

>>>>> "Mathew" == Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung} <gast@cteq07.pa.msu.edu> writes:
Mathew> : gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
Mathew> : -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
Mathew> : [lots of .o files skipped for brevity]

The problem with your original problem report was that the [lots of
[Netscrape Bug Fodder].o files skipped for brevity] very likely
contains a hint to the source of your trouble.

Could you please start over, and send the output from configure that
looks something like:

Configured for `i486-unknown-linux2.0.0'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /i/xemacs-20.0-b26
  ...
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.
  Compiling in extra code for debugging.

(Don't elide it like I did above), and then give the full link command
with all the .o's listed + the error messages.  XEmacs works fine on
Linux 1.2.13 and Linux 2.0.0, but since there is no standard Linux
software configuration, you should be especially diligent in reporting
library version numbers, etc. when you encounter trouble of this
nature.

Thanks.


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Gail Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

> (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-hook
> 	  '(lambda () (local-set-key 
> 		       [mouse-3]
> 		       'gnus-summary-catchup-and-goto-next-group)))
> 
> Now that I've come back to XEmacs (19.14), I am trying to get used to the
> differences. I quickly noticed that, despite my key setting, when I press
> mouse-3 in the summary buffer, I get the Post menu. So, my first question
> is, can this be changed so it does what I want?

Use `[button3]' under XEmacs instead of `[mouse-3]'.

> Also, I noticed the Catchup-and-Exit button on the tool bar. That's cool,
> but I'd prefer that it was Catchup-and-Goto-Next-Group. How can I redefine
> it?

The summary mode toolbar is defined by the `gnus-summary-toolbar'
variable.  You could change that variable to call whatever function
you want when you press a button.

> PS. This came up when I tried to post this: How do I change the from line? I
> have set gnus-user-from-line to "Gail Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>", but
> XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it. Instead it uses "Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall>"
> and then complains that it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my
> Message-ID is screwy. How can I change that?

Set `user-mail-address' to "gail.gurman@sybase.com" or
`mail-host-address' to "sybase.com".

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Miguel Oyarzun <moyarzun@irakere.bbn.com> writes:

> I am trying to use Gnus 5.2.25 as a mail reader under XEmacs 19.14, and
> am having difficulty determining the proper configuration to get Gnus
> to fetch my mail over a POP connection.

Does the POP server require a password?  If so, set
`nnmail-pop-password-required' to t.

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Bernward Bretthauer <brett@pille.es.go.dlr.de> writes:

> The header of this messages says it all:
> Message-ID is w534tnxhawk.fsf@pille.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me,
> and the domain name is missing in the "From:" line. I have hand-edited 
> the "From:" line, otherwise GNUS refuses to send this article.
> 
> I have a SUN Solaris 2.5 system, the command "/bin/hostname" gives "pille"
> and "/bin/domainname" gives "es.go.dlr.de". Both is correct.
> So why does GNUS say, my system is misconfigured?

Because `(system-name)' doesn't return a fully qualified domain name.

Do something like:

(setq mail-host-address "pille.es.go.dlr.de")

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As I understand it, XEmacs has two basic options for handling a temporary
buffer:

(a) make a new frame for it
(b) don't make a new frame for it

In (b), you just put the buffer in the current frame.

I would REALLY love to see

(c) if the buffer already exists, switch to its frame, else do (a)

That way, you could have a small "*Help*" frame, etc. which would stay on
your always-uncluttered desktop.

What would be FANTASTIC is that in multi-desk WM's such as fvwm, XE could
switch to the desktop containing the pre-existing frame.  

Who else agrees?

---------

Totally different question:

Is there ANY way to change the font in just one frame?

Thanks a lot,

Jordan
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I can't find the package dired-aux.el anywhere... it allowed me under
GNU Emacs to do a query-replace accross several files at once... going
through all the files i marked in the dired listing.

does anyone know where it is? or has anyone a replacement for it?

thank you.
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>>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:

Mats> Is it possible to see the messages generated by the execution of
Mats> the .emacs init file after it has completed ? They do appear in
Mats> the minibuffer but it's hard to follow them.

All error messages in the minibuffer are saved in the ` *Message-Log*'
buffer, which can be seen by issuing the C-h l  (view-lossage) command.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:04:16 -0500
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From: samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu (Jordan Samuels)
Subject: VM 5.96 (beta) and XEmacs 19.1[34]: vm-auto-folder-alist overused?
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.bug


To the VM guys:

First let me say I love vm and I'll never use anything else.

However, I am experiencing some strange behavior which is causing a slowdown.
Basically, I am using vm-auto-folder-alist to provide a "default" folder for
all unmatched headers, by saying (for example)

(setq
 vm-auto-folder-alist
 '(
   ("To:"
   ("bill-clinton" . "misroute")
   ("From:"
    ("Jordan" . '(
                  ("Subject:" 
                   ("[Tt]est" . "test")
                   ("" . "me"))
                  ))
    ("\\(.*\\)". (my-vm-get-auto-folder))))))

Now, this works great -- it uses my custom program my-vm-get-auto-folder,
which basically parses the header and looks at the login portion, then munges
it against my mail aliases (I have tried to get more spiffy packages which do
this [like tiny-mail.el from Jari Aalto], but they don't compile under
XEmacs).

Anyway, what's happening is that everytime I BREATHE, the function
my-vm-get-auto-folder gets called.  I mean, if I resize the window, the
function gets called!  I checked this by having the function update a global
variable.  

This is causing VM to be unbearably slow.  All my lisp files are
byte-compiled on XEmacs, and I don't know what else to do.

FSF Emacs doesn't do this; it doesn't call the function on resizing the
window (or breathing in general) AND it's not slow.

Thanks a million for any advice or help you can give.

Jordan Samuels

--------
Jordan Samuels                         C-u 100 M-x all-hail-emacs
Kurt Rossmann Laboratories
Department of Radiology
University of Chicago

-------- platform ---------

Emacs  : XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on spacedog.fishkill.ibm.com
Package: VM 5.96 (beta)

current state:
==============
(setq
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 vm-crash-box "~/INBOX.CRASH"
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                             "Subject:" "Newsgroups:" "In-Reply-To:"
                             "References:" "Keywords:" "X-")
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                             "Subject:" "Message-ID:" "Keywords:")
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 vm-rfc934-digest-headers '("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Cc:" "Subject:"
                            "Date:" "Message-ID:" "Keywords:")
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                nil help)
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 features '(reporter tapestry vm-summary vm-save highlight-headers vm-page
            vm-motion vm-toolbar vm-message vm-folder vm-menu vm-mouse vm-misc
            vm-window vm-autoload vm-version vm vm-vars vm-startup hyper-apropos
            sort gnus-cite gnus-msg nnvirtual gnus-cache nnfolder nntp nnoo
            gnus-vis gnus-score gnus gnus-cus browse-url gnus-ems gnus-xmas
            custom nnmail message messagexmas mail-abbrevs easymenu rmail
            mailheader nnheader nnheaderxm timezone mail-utils rsz-minibuf
            font-lock advice byte-optimize bytecomp byte-compile advice-preload
            my-mail my-vm my-mail-functions reverse-expand mailalias sendmail
            auto-show ediff-hook vc-hooks x-iso8859-1 x-menubar mouse
            mode-motion itimer cc-mode lisp-mode iso8859-1 page buff-menu
            lib-complete derived frame text-props mini-cl cl cl-19 backquote
            lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars xface xpm png gif jpeg
            motif-dialogs x tty toolbar scrollbar network-streams subprocesses
            menubar dbm md5 lisp-float-type dialog window-system)
 )

-- 
Jordan Samuels                         C-u 100 M-x all-hail-emacs
Kurt Rossmann Laboratories
Department of Radiology
University of Chicago
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 with XWsh on the sgi
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>>>>> "Neil" == Neil J Buesing <buesing@demaco5.demaco.com> writes:

Neil> buesing@demaco5.demaco.com (Neil J. Buesing) writes:
>> Whenever I run XEmacs-19.13 or XEmacs-19.14 from within an sgi XWsh
>> terminal application, I loose the use of the scroll bar when I exit
>> XEmacs.

Neil> I have received no feedback on this one, just comments that other
Neil> people have this similar problem.

Neil> To get xwsh out of the lock state, you can do the following escape
Neil> sequence


Neil> #!/bin/sh
Neil> #
Neil> # xwsh_command

Neil> ESC=`echo A | tr 'A' '\033'`

Neil> echo -n "$ESC[$*"

Neil> #end of script


Neil> % xwsh_command =6l


Neil> Is there any way to get xemacs to issue this command to the parent
Neil> prior to exiting?  

I don't have access to an sgi, so I can't comment on what exactly is
going wrong.  If the terminal is not getting reset properly at exit,
it sounds more like a termcap or terminfo entry bug than an XEmacs bug.

To work around, just arrange for you unlock function to get called
after XEmacs exists:

#! /bin/sh
xemacs $*
echo -n '^[[=6l'

Or use a shell function if that better suits you, and put the literal
escape in -- no need for obfuscation.

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>>>>> "Chan" == C Chan <chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu> writes:

Chan> Yes, it's a gcc bug, but I'm not certain it is the one solved by
Chan> -fno-strength-reduce. I did compile with -O and
Chan> -fno-strength-reduce and had the same problem.

Chan> I just did several compiles from scratch of XEmacs-19.14, on a
Chan> Linux-2.0 system based on Redhat 3.0 with libc-5.2.18 and gcc-2.7.2.

Chan> I noticed the following:

Chan> 1) Compiling with --cflags="-g -O" produced a huge (>9MB) xemacs
Chan> binary which behaved fine. However, stripping the binary (made
Chan> it around 2.7MB) caused the same behavior I experienced earlier
Chan> with XEmacs-19.13.  Adding -fno-strength-reduce didn't help.

Chan> 2) Compiling with null cflags produced a working binary approx 3.3MB
Chan> in size. This is the one I'm sticking with.

I've compiled 19.14 with --cflags=-O4, and it has been stable,
noticeably faster than with little or no optimization, and it has been
subjected to (and survived) the Gnus Torture Test.

Apparently stripping the dumped executable causes problems, so don't
do it.  My binary is (unstripped):

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      3086835 Jun 22 15:04 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14*

(Compiled with Linux 2.0.0/ELF, Gcc 2.7.2 no-srbug, libc 5.3.12,
binutils 2.6.0.14, ncurses 1.9.9e).

One comment I don't think anyone has pointed out, during the beta
cycle when I upgraded to binutils 2.6.0.14 I got a *massive* decrease
in binary size.  3.3MB for no -g and > 9MB for -g sounds about right.
Before 2.6.0.14 I was getting binaries in excess of 12MB with -g.

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>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

Brad> What have other's done?

The fonts used in the screendumps shown in the XEmacs FAQ are:

emacs*font:	fixed
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
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Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1

It works for me.
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Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade to 19.14 from 19.13 which I compiled without problems on
my Sparc5, SunOS4.1.4 machine, with X11R5. At the final link I get (sorry about
the size):

gcc -g -O      -L/opt/X11/IXImotif.1.2.5/lib  -L/opt/X11/X11R5/lib  -dynamic
-L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o
bytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o
console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o
doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o
event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o        faces.o fileio.o filelock.o
filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         general.o
getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o
indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o
macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o            objects.o opaque.o
print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o   redisplay.o
redisplay-output.o regex.o    scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o
specifier.o     strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o        toolbar.o
console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o
cm.o      undo.o unexsunos4.o     console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o
frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o
scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o    window.o tparam.o
lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o
TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm -lXpm
-lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11               -ltermcap           -ldbm     -lg   -lm      
ld: Undefined symbol 
   _XtToolkitInitialize 
collect2: ld returned 2 exit status
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

_XtToolkitInitialize is define in intrinsic.h as expected, but I notice some
special handling in configure for this symbol. I compiled X myself somtime ago,
did I mess that up some how? I can find the symbol in libXt.a, but I only have
dynamic motif libraries.

Thanks in advance,
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In article <kig3f3ik6ad.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Then I'll try to fix this and submit the 19.13 defaults for mono tty-s
> as a patch for 19.14.

Make use of the fact that you can set device-class- and device-type-dependent 
specifiers. In other words, you shouldn't set the default based on the
current (device-type) and (device-class) (because these are not that
important if frames are opened on different devices). I wonder why none of
the highlighting packages, AFAIK, make use of this feature. emacs legacy, I
guess. 

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>> I do not have the Motif widget libraries, but do have the Metrolink
>> libXm-1.2.4 runtime Motif library that was bundled with my copy of
>> Caldera's WordPerfect port to Linux.  Will this be sufficicent to run
>> the precompiled motif shared library binary, or do I need to use the
>> Athena widget binary?
>The dynamically linked binary kits for LinuxELF have been linked
>against Metrolink Motif. So it is very likely that you can use them
>with your run-time libraries.

To be honest, I don't think it'll work, because I linked the linuxelf binary
kits against Metrolink Motif 2.0 - I don't think it'll work with an older
major version. Still I'd be curious to know whether it works or not.

>I believe, there also is a precompiled binary kit that has just the
>Motif toolkit linked statically and everything else linked
>dynamically.
yep. That is the linuxelf-motif-static binary kit.


yours,
	Benedikt

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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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Subject: 19.14 and vm
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:21:09 -0400
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I really like vm and use it extensively.  Unfortunately all evidence
seems to point to it being broken in some subtle ways in 19.14. 

1) xemacs occasionally core dumps when vm pops up a compose mail
   window (sorry if I got the term wrong, even sorrier that I have no
   core dump.  I had them limited to 0 in tcsh.  No more, but still no
   core dump.)

2) The vm toolbar on the left side of the screen STAYS there when you
   change buffers.  In 19.13 it would go away.  

3) If you happen to like your toolbar on the left side of the frame,
   and vm is periodically popping mail and the frame is iconified,
   then when the mail is popped the frame I am in loses its toolbar --
   that is, the width is the same but I see the vm buttons.

We are running the pre-compiled HP (9) binaries.  Has anyone else seen
this??????


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From: Arun Sharma <sharma@venus.pa.dec.com>
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Subject: XEmacs-19.14, VM and Supercite
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Hi,

Xemacs doesn't seem to work well with supercite. To reproduce the
problem:

xemacs -q &
M-x load-library RET supercite RET
(add-hooks 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)
M-x vm

and doing a R (vm-reply-included-text) from the summary buffer, screws
up the frame - i.e. I get garbled text at the place where the tool bar
was (left most column)

Oh, BTW I have (setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)

Any suggestions ?
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From: tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller)
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Subject: 19.14, hpux 10.10: crashes, sounds won't link or else exit; gnuclient broken
Date: 27 Jun 1996 21:00:32 GMT
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We have several hpux 9.03 machines here and one hpux 10.10 machine (which
happens to be the one I use). These are all 9000-735/125's, ie hppa1.1. Since
they haven't all been converted to hpux 10, I've been trying to compile things
for hpux 9 and use the same binaries on hpux 10 as much as possible (doesn't
work with a few things, but for the most part it's ok). I had xemacs 19.13
working more or less perfectly compiled for hpux 9 but running under hpux 10,
but now I've installed 19.14 and encountered some problems with trying to do
that, and even worse problems if I compile natively under hpux 10. Specifically,
the version for hpux 9 (no notable configure options except for a whole bunch
of path options for reasons I won't get into here) crashes every once in a
while for no apparent reason. The stack trace usually seems to say it's crashing
in strcat, but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the strcat
arguments. Unfortunately I don't know any specific thing to do to reproduce it
for sure; for a while I had such a way, but it seems to have stopped making it
crash now. Even more unfortunately I don't have the core dumps any more, but I
recall it was trying to strcat resource names together inside some function like
Fx_get_resource or something. In any case, during the same time I had a way to
reproduce it, I was unable to get the same binary, running on hpux 9 with
display to my hpux 10 machine, to crash, so I figured I should try compiling it
under hpux 10. Then the problem is that with the default options except for
paths it won't even link because it can't find an archived version of libAlib.
Since I can't find an archived version of it either, I tried configuring with
--dynamic=yes, and that linked, but it has two major problems: the first is that
I tested the sounds (I use (load-default-sounds)), and discovered it will exit
the second time I hit C-g (presumably this is simply the second time any sound
is played). This isn't a crash, no diagnostics are printed or core dump is left,
the only thing it says is (shortly before the sound comes out the speakers!):

Alib: Fatal IO Error 2

The second problem is that gnuclient completely fails to work (it works fine
with the hpux 9 version): gnuclient hangs even with -q and xemacs seems to
totally ignore it (doesn't hang; I can still do things, but doesn't bring up
any windows or messages or anything). I am running xemacs from the build dir,
not the install dir, but I am running gnuclient from the build dir too, and
xemacs is picking up gnuserv from the build dir. If I run gnuserv manually
and then run gnuclient, it seems to print out the appropriate thing, so I'm
confused. I have tried compiling both with and without gcc (using the
hpux 10 gcc) with and without --dynamic=yes. The hpux 9 xemacs was compiled with
gcc and both the hpux 9 and 10 gcc's are 2.7.2, both compiled with gnu as.
Every version I've compiled includes support for xpm, gif, jpeg, dbm, lucid
menubar, lucid scrollbar, motif dialog boxes, using X11R5, motif 1.2.
And I just discovered that even if I compile with --with-sound=no (but no
--dynamic=yes) it can't find the library for -lcurses (because there's no
archive version). And if I use --dynamic=yes, gnuclient is still ignored.
What gives? Thanks,
   Tim

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From: Vinay Kumar  <vinayk@faslab.com>
To: Midas Lin <midas@cadence.com>
Cc: Vinay Kumar  <vinayk@faslab.com>, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: VM help!!!
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Midas Lin writes:
 > Hi Vinay,
 > 
 > I think put this line in your .vm will work as I do.
 > 
 > (setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 300) ; retrieve mail every 5 minutes
 > 
 > But, I failed to make it display on my modeline as you did, how do you
 > do that.
 > 
 > Thanks.
 > 
 > Midas
 
Hi!! 
	Thanks very much for the info.. I am sorry that I couldn't
find out how my mode line displays 'Mail' whenever there is new
mail. I am attaching my .emacs below from which, if you can, figure
out how the way. I was searching the web and got hold of some packages
like display of line & col numbers etc., and somehow got this.
	Let me know if you need anything else that is in my .emacs and
I can mail that to you.
	Thanks and sorry about that. I am a relatively novice xemacs
user.

Vinay.

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From: Tom Parks <parks@LL.MIT.EDU>
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Subject: Re: gdb in xemacs-14 control-C control-C does nothing
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William A. Hoffman wrote:
> I am trying out the new xemac-19.14, and I can not seem to get
> control-C control-C to stop the running program as I did in
> previous versions of xemacs and emacs.

I'm sorry to hear that.  I had the same problem with xemacs-19.13.  I
also had the problem that <TAB> name completion did not work with gdb.
I was hoping that this would be fixed in 19.14.  I guess I'll have to
use FSF emacs when I want to use gdb.  Oh well.

Tom
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In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep  1 1995 on qbic1-t.almaden.ibm.com (aix-v3) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

Hello ..

If I mark all files I want to register in VC-DIRED mode I get the
following message:

Symbol's function definition is void: dired-get-marked-files

I remember getting this error when I used Emacs 19.30 at school
too.

Thanks.

Cheers
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Hi

Has anyone made this combo work properly?  I tried the 3.2 binaries,
and compiled from source.  Both give similarly strange behaviour.
When the main window appears the pointer is an icon of a terminal,
rather large although it does disappear when you in dired where the
pointer (?) when over a file disappears and the text is highlighted
correctly.  It also disappears when you use the right button to bring
up a menu.  ( I've cleared in Xdefaults that were possibly having an
undesired effect by "xrdb -load /dev/null" ?? )  Or any suggestions on
how to fix this bug/problem.

On a 3.2 system all seems well,
Kev
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spadamat@fore.com (Sobhan  Padamati) writes:




   I am having lot of problems with 19.14:

   1. I downloaded the src and compiled it on:
	   uname -a  : SunOS disclosur 4.1.4 2 sun4c
      Xemacs crashes when ever I try to run it.
      Whats the problem ????

I had the same problem on sun4c, but not sun4m. Compiling xemacs static
solved this for me.

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>>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Amerine <glenn@pie.mhsc.org> writes:

Glenn> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i486-unknown-linuxoldld1.1.54) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on pie
Glenn> To reproduce:

Glenn> start Xemacs -q

Glenn> M-x w3-fetch
Glenn> http://www.lucent.com

Glenn> then the crash.

It's a poorly written page with dozens of errors in it, but it doesn't
cause a crash on Linux 2.0.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: TTY font-lock: solution?
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Since I have not found an elegant sollution to the font-locking
problems on non-color tty-s, I have written a small elisp code to
emulate 19.13 out of the box behaviour. This is what I have as a part
of my .emacs:

;; Font-locking is nice :-)
(require 'font-lock)

;; Fixes for 19.14:
(if running-xemacs
    (if (eq (console-type) 'tty)
	(if (member (console-tty-terminal-type) '("linux" "rxvt"))
	    (set-device-class (selected-device) 'color)
	  ;; mono tty devices
	  (set-device-class (selected-device) 'mono)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-comment-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-string-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-keyword-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-function-name-face)
	  (set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-function-name-face t 'global 'tty)
	  (copy-face 'underline 'font-lock-type-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-reference-face)
	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-variable-name-face))))

This code will fail on XEmacses older than 19.14 (and I hope it will
not be necessary in later ones). It checks whether it is running on a
tty, and tries to decide whether the device-class should be color and
mono. After setting to appropriate value, if the value was mono, it
will enable the 19.13-like font-lock settings.

Other than this, 19.14 is a real refreshment. Great job!

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From: djohnson@tartarus.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Subject: Re: X11R6.1 Fonts and XEmacs
Date: 27 Jun 1996 15:17:37 -0700
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> What have other's done? Are there better fonts?

I used a fixed font.  I hate courier, it's ugly.  But X has very very
few monospaced font varieties.  But using a fixed font (14 point I
think), and instead of letting XEmacs compute italics and bolds from
that, I explicitly set those fonts as well (use xfontsel to play
around with fonts and see what there is, and I used slant instead of
italic).  It looks real nice on my system now for my resolution, and
infinately more readable than courier.

It's also helpful to use the real name of the fixed font, ie,
"misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-blahblah" rather than the "9x15" alias.
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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
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Subject: Re: VM help!!!
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In 19.13, I use the reportmail package to do that. I have the
following in my .emacs:

;;; ********************
;;; Reportmail is in the standard xemacs lisp/packages directory.  It
;;; looks for and gets new mail from your /var/spool/mail file
(load-library "reportmail")
(setq display-time-my-addresses     	 '("cmcmahan" "Chris McMahan")
	 display-time-time               t
	 display-time-use-xbiff          nil
	 display-time-announce-mail      t
	 display-time-mail-ring-bell     t
	 display-time-no-file-means-no-mail nil
)
(display-time)
;;; ********************

Works like a charm. I have not joined the chosen ones yet and upgraded
to 19.14, but I will attempt to attain the peace and harmony of
holistic editing upon my return from this business trip.

Chris

>>> "VK" == Vinay Kumar <vinayk@faslab.com> writes:
VK> Midas Lin writes:
>> Hi Vinay,
>> 
>> I think put this line in your .vm will work as I do.
>> 
>> (setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 300) ; retrieve mail every 5 minutes
>> 
>> But, I failed to make it display on my modeline as you did, how do you
>> do that.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Midas
 
VK> Hi!! 
VK> Thanks very much for the info.. I am sorry that I couldn't
VK> find out how my mode line displays 'Mail' whenever there is new
VK> mail. I am attaching my .emacs below from which, if you can, figure
VK> out how the way. I was searching the web and got hold of some packages
VK> like display of line & col numbers etc., and somehow got this.
VK> Let me know if you need anything else that is in my .emacs and
VK> I can mail that to you.
VK> Thanks and sorry about that. I am a relatively novice xemacs
VK> user.

VK> Vinay.

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From: tkludy@segfault.engin.umich.edu (Tom Kludy)
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Subject: 19.14 - its a dog
Date: 27 Jun 1996 22:58:08 GMT
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Don't get me wrong.. I love xemacs, and it is loaded all day, every day, 
whenever I am using my computer.

But the new release is terribly slow..  Any hints for improved speed?  
(short of upgrading my lowly 486/66.. can't afford it)

*sigh* maybe I'll end up going back to vi..
AAAAaaaagh!  Sorry, bad nightmares/memories.. :)

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From: sg@orby.mda.ca (simon goland)
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Subject: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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Hi,

I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ. Could you
give me some more details? I hope to convince our sysadmin to
upgrade, if the features are worth it.

Thanks for your time.


-- 
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From: Kari Heinola <kph@dp.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Bug in comint-popup-menu definition in 19.14.


	Hello

In function comint-popup-menu in comint.el (see below)
there is a reference to comint-menu. It should be comint-popup-menu.


(defun comint-popup-menu (event)
  "Display the comint-mode menu."
  (interactive "@e")
  (let ((history (comint-make-history-menu)))
    (popup-menu (if history
		    (append comint-popup-menu
			    (list "---" (cons "Command History" history)))
		  comint-menu))))

	KH

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From: Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 + auctex (9.4g)?
Date: 27 Jun 1996 15:12:44 -0400
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    Minhhuy> In article <DtM4CL.HCH@uia.ua.ac.be>, Stefan.Becuwe
    Minhhuy> <sbecuwe@uia.ac.be> wrote: :Using xemacs 19.12, running
    Minhhuy> `make install' produces a lot of .elc files :in the style
    Minhhuy> directory. The command is (according to the Makefile) :
    Minhhuy> :xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f
    Minhhuy> batch-byte-compile :... all the files in the style
    Minhhuy> directory ...  : :Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc
    Minhhuy> files?  : :Regards : : :Stefan

    Minhhuy> I have the same problem using precompiled 19.14
    Minhhuy> AIX-4.1.4.

I got 9.4g to install by changing auctex-9.4g/Makefile:48: from:

# Using emacs in batch mode.
BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer

to:

# Using emacs in batch mode.
BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q -l lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer

-- (added -l before lpath.el) just noticed that lpath.el contained the
emacs load path for the current dir, so used -l to preload it... not
sure what changed though.

BTW the improvements in 19.14 are fantastic, thanks to all who develop
it!!

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Subject: Bug Report: Cosmetic, Completion List mode, Linux console


 Completion List mode is great!  But on the Linux Console, when you
arrow to the left, it leaves reverse video spaces behind the
completions.

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Arrgh... my fault the From: line is incorrect in my previous post (it
is a non-Internet address). It should be correct now.

Gnus 5.2 has changed from 5.0, and I didn't reconfigure correctly
(nonetheless my fault.  Gnus 5.2 is great however :).

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From: Andrew Veliath <veliaa@rpi.edu>
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Subject: Options -> Font/Size/Weight  (doesn't seem to save)
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If I change the Font/Size/Weight under Options then do a Save options,
they don't seem to save.  I changed it manually, but is this the
desired behavior?

Sorry if this is in the docs, I haven't come across anything yet...

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From: craigh@csdc.toshiba.com.au (Craig Hunter)
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This is happening after installing the solaris2.4-sparcworks
distribution of xemacs 19.14.  (Previous version worked fine!)

We use ctags to keep our VI/VIM users happy.

Any ideas please?

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I found that the lisp/w3 and the lisp/url files need the .el types -- when
I deleted ALL the .el files, w3 did not work: needed:
w3-sysdp and url-sysdp
Other than those 2 lisp directories, seems to be safe to delete .el files.
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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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Subject: Re: 19.14, hpux 10.10: crashes, sounds won't link or else exit; gnuclient broken
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In what may be the longest paragraph ever written, tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy
Miller) writes:

> I figured I should try compiling it under hpux 10. Then the problem is that
> with the default options except for paths it won't even link because it
> can't find an archived version of libAlib.

In 10.10, HP doesn't seem to ship an archived version of libAlib (or
libcurses, either).  I'm not sure why.  One workaround is to link
"archive_shared", which tells the HP-UX linker to use the archived version of
a library if it's available, otherwise use the shared version.  The ld(1)
switch to do this is "-a archive_shared".

The configure script won't do this for you automatically, so you'll have to
edit src/Makefile manually after configure has been run.  If you're using
HP's cc, you can just put "-a archive_shared" in LDFLAGS.  If you're using
gcc, the approved method seems to be to add
"-Xlinker -a -Xlinker archive_shared" to LDFLAGS.

> The second problem is that gnuclient completely fails to work (it works
> fine with the hpux 9 version):

This is a known problem in HP-UX 10.10.  It affects subprocesses started from
Emacs (both FSF and XEmacs), including M-x shell and gnuserv.  It's not clear
whether the problem is in the shared version of libc, in the 10.10 kernel, or
in the Emacs undump routine, which is used during the build to create the
Emacs (or XEmacs) executable from a memory image of a running temacs session.
(I'm starting to think the problem is with Emacs' undump.)

You can get around it by compiling archive_shared as I mentioned above, or by
compiling shared but forcing the linker to use libc.a.

------------
Phil Johnson
Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

(These are my opinions and don't reflect those of my employer.)

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From: Jon Sundquist <jsundqui@buffnet.net>
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Subject: Re: 19.14, linuxelf-motif-shared -- motif version dependent?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:55:42 -0400
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Markus Gutschke wrote:
> 
> Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
> > Jon Sundquist <jsundqui@buffnet.net> writes:
> > > I do not have the Motif widget libraries, but do have the Metrolink
> > >libXm-1.2.4 runtime Motif library that was bundled with my copy of
> > >Caldera's WordPerfect port to Linux.  Will this be sufficicent to run
> > >the precompiled motif shared library binary, or do I need to use the
> > >Athena widget binary?
> >
> > The dynamically linked binary kits for LinuxELF have been linked
> > against Metrolink Motif. So it is very likely that you can use them
> > with your run-time libraries.
> 
> Sorry to followup on my own message. I just noticed, that you were
> talking about libXm.so.1.2.4. I believe, all Motif 1.2 libraries for
> Linux are in A.OUT format. This means that there currently is probably
> no binary kit that can take advantage of your Motif 1.2 libraries. You
> should try to contact Caldera and ask for updated Motif 2.0 libraries
> in ELF format.

Well, actually:

linux:/usr/X11R6/lib# file libXm.so.1.2.4
libXm.so.1.2.4: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib i386 (386 and up) Version 1

So it is ELF.  I will try the Motif Binary kit.  If it doesn't work, I will try
the Static Motif (on no, not another one, maybe I should fork over the money:-) or
the Athena Widget-built one.  

Thanks for the response, and I will let you know how it works.


Jon Sundquist

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To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Reply-To: karlheg@teleport.com
Subject: Bug Report: Dired from toolbar... Incomplete interface?

 I tried it again, and it's working now...  !Useing the middle button
for selection.!

! If you click the near button in the Possible Completions dirs
buffer, then realize that the middle button is the one that selects
and start using it, that buffer is the active one, and clicking OK
gives the following error:

Here's the trace.

Signalling: (buffer-read-only #<buffer " *mouse-read-file*">)
  temp-minibuffer-message(" [no completions; confirm]")
  exit-minibuffer()
  #<compiled-function (from "minibuf.elc") (foo) "...(3)" [exit-minibuffer] 1>(nil)
  annotation-activate-function-default(#<buttonup-event button1up>)
  call-interactively(annotation-activate-function-default)
  read-minibuffer-internal("Dired (directory): ")
  byte-code("  V!*!" [recursion-depth minibuffer-depth t standard-input standard-output read-minibuffer-internal prompt] 2)
  read-from-minibuffer("Dired (directory): " "~/" #<keymap read-file-name-map 2 entries 0x4e2> nil file-name-history)
  read-file-name-2(file-name-history "Dired (directory): " nil "/root/" nil nil read-file-name-internal)
  mouse-read-file-name-1(file-name-history "Dired (directory): " nil "/root/" nil nil read-file-name-internal)
  read-file-name-1(file-name-history "Dired (directory): " nil "/root/" nil nil read-file-name-internal)
  read-file-name("Dired (directory): " nil "/root/" nil)
  dired-read-dir-and-switches("")
  call-interactively(dired)
  release-and-activate-toolbar-button(#<buttonup-event button1up>)
  call-interactively(release-and-activate-toolbar-button)

----
 I think that the OK button should work regardless of which of the
three windows happens to be current.

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom
<karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
Proudly running Linux 2.0.0 and GNU public software!

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From: Douglas Keller <dkeller@zebra.com>
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Subject: Re: xemacs 19.14 on AIX 3.2.5 ???
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I have, here is my configure line:

  configure rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5 \
  --with-scrollbars=lucid \
  --with-menubars=lucid \
  --with-dialogs=motif \
  --with-xpm \
  --with-xface \
  --with-gif \
  --with-png \
  --with-jpeg \
  --with-database=dbm \
  --compiler=xlc \
  --cflags="-O -Q -qnoansialias -D_ALL_SOURCE" \
  --const-is-losing=no \
  --site-includes=/afs/eds/u/hines/beta/xemacs/include \
  --site-libraries=/afs/eds/u/hines/beta/xemacs/lib \
  --prefix=/afs/eds/u/hines/beta/xemacs/release \
  --bindir=/afs/eds/u/hines/beta/xemacs/release/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5

---
Douglas Keller                          BooleDozer Logic Synthesis Development
Internet: dkeller@vnet.ibm.com

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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
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In article <4qsd56$8mp@usenet.rpi.edu>,
Wm. Randolph U Franklin <wrfuse@mab.ecse.rpi.edu> wrote:
>Here are several questions that I have from using the excellent
>new version of XEmacs.
>
>================================================================
>
>1. When I use ^N or the arrow keys to move the cursor up or down
>in a buffer, Xemacs 19.14 can't keep up with the autorepeat rate
>of the key.  This means that the cursor keeps moving when I let up
>on the key, which is disconcerting.  Also, the 'top' command shows
>that Xemacs is using 2/3 of the CPU.
>
>This is not a problem with 19.13, which uses only 10% of the CPU
>to keep up with the autorepeating arrow key.  I.e., 19.14 is 6
>times more CPU intensive for cursor movement.
>
>This happens even in a 20-line buffer with (turn-off-font-lock)
>applied and line-number-mode at nil.
>
>In fact, with 19.14, I can type faster than it can process my
>keystrokes.  If there is anything else running on the machine,
>then this really happens.
>
>This is on a Sun IPC with SunOS.
>
>Are there any other options that I can set to make cursor movement
>less CPU-intensive?
>
>================================================================

This slow-down has happened to me with  both my Linux 2.0 and HP-UX 9.05
builds. Even if I run "xemacs -q -no-site-file", there is a slow down
although it isn't as dramatic as when I load my .emacs file. On the
HP-UX machine, I've noticed that the binary for 19.14 is twice as large
(11MB) as the 19.13 binary.

I've stopped using it until I sort out the problems. It certainly built
effortlessly: "./configure  --prefix=/bnr/projects/step;make" I've
checked and, yes, the lisp files are byte-compiled.

Suggestions will be appreciated.
Keith Hanlan      KeithH@nortel.ca      NORTEL Ottawa, Canada      613-765-4645

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From: djohnson@tartarus.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Subject: Re: X11R6.1 Fonts and XEmacs
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> I used a fixed font.  I hate courier, it's ugly.

Just a followup, now that I can look at my settings.  I do use courier
for the italic and bold, but since they're not used as often, at least
the majority of the text is in a readable font.  Here's what I have.

Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -*-courier-medium-o-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -*-courier-bold-o-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

(results may vary depending upon display size and dpi)
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu	O-
    "Particle Man, Particle Man, doing the things a particle can"

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> Joe Rumsey (ogre@atomic.com) wrote:
> >   I renounce the icking!  Heretics!  Yellow is the One True Keyword
> > Color!
> 
> Especially on "tan" background. ;)

Add a vote for #304020.  Don't let it's name throw you off, I've met
colors with fairer names and fouler hues.  #304020's a quietly yucky
grey-blue...or something.

Of course, you two need to use yellow-bold to see keywords in their
full glory. :-)

-Sudish "FFS is for the weak of heart" Joseph

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>>>>> "Jay" == Jay Belanger <belanger@vh207a.nemostate.edu> writes:

    Jay> Robert Nader <naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au> writes:

    >>  Hi,
    >> 
    >> I have looked around the xemacs ftp mirror site at
    >> ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ for the:
    >> 
    >> libjpeg from the Independent JPEG Group
    >> 
    >> required for compiling with jpeg support, but I never found it;
    >> where exactly is it please?
    >> 
	[...]

    Jay> Hmm.  Well, I got the jpeg libraries from ftp.xemacs.org,
    Jay> installed it on my linux box, and I still got error messages
    Jay> when I tried to compile with jpeg support.  It works fine
    Jay> without jpeg support, though.

 I'm using the libjpeg.so.6.0.0 that I compiled from "libgr-2.0.7.tgz".
Where I found that I cannot remember.


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From: Ed Goei <edg@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: [Q] *Message-Log* Missing in 19.14?
Date: 27 Jun 1996 21:59:53 -0700
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Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

>      Well, the message log buffer is still there.  You could just switch
> to it to see the contents.  Note that the name is " *Message-Log*", and
> not "*Message-Log*" (note the leading space, which has to be entered
> using C-q).

Actually, the C-q is not necessary -- just the space is required.

    -Ed

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Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:

> The dynamically linked binary kits for LinuxELF have been linked
> against Metrolink Motif. So it is very likely that you can use them
> with your run-time libraries. A superficial inspection showed that
> they will probably also work with Infomagic's Moo-Tiff. If you use the
> binary kits with any other vendor's Motif libraries I would like to
> hear about it (both success and failure reports). If you have
> problems, please also report the output of "ldd -r `which xemacs`" and
> of "ldconfig -v".

Works fine with the MoTeeth motif libraries distributed by Just
Computers.

-- Gary F.

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can i in any buffer query the face used for the character under
point?

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From: Tony Craven <tcraven@mobile-systems.bt.co.uk>
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Hi,

I've just added mailcrypt hooks into my .emacs file and am now able to encrypt
mail and news messages prior to sending. However, when I try to decrypt, verify
signatures etc... in the buffer I get the error...

Invalid function: (macro. #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc") nil "...2"
 [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer
has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>)

Any ideas?

				Tony.....
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Subject: 19.14, vm : invalid function
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I just compiled 19.14 on both sun (4.1.3) and linux (2.0) off the box.
No problem at all, but with vm and mailcrypt.

Encryption, signing etc. in the compose mail window does the job,
decryption, signature verification, key snarfing etc. in the mailreader
causes the following invalid function error:

Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc")
  nil "...(2)" [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) 
  (error "Folder buffer has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>))
 vm-select-folder-buffer()
 mc-vm-decrypt-message()
 #<compiled-function (from "mc-toplev.elc") nil "...(17)" 
  [major-mode mc-modes-alist mode-alist decrypt mc-decrypt-message func] 3 
  "*Decrypt a message in the current buffer.\n\nExact behavior depends on 
  current major mode." nil>()
 call-interactively(mc-decrypt)


The respective section in my .emacs is as follows:
;;
;; mailcrypt
;; ---------
;;
(autoload 'mc-install-write-mode "mailcrypt" nil t)
(autoload 'mc-install-read-mode "mailcrypt" nil t)
(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook 'mc-install-write-mode)

(add-hook 'vm-mode-hook 'mc-install-read-mode)
(add-hook 'vm-summary-mode-hook 'mc-install-read-mode)
(add-hook 'vm-virtual-mode-hook 'mc-install-read-mode)
(add-hook 'vm-mail-mode-hook 'mc-install-write-mode)


Any help appreciated,

Ulf



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Subject: 19.14: get-frame-for-buffer "broken"
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I just switched, and I love it.  However, what seems to be a bug fix in
`get-frame-for-buffer' is causing me great misery.

When I `switch-to-buffer-other-window', or `find-file-other-window', if
the buffer's window is visible on another frame, then that frame is
selected.

I hate that.  I use a virtual window manager, so not only does my mouse
focus change (which is very obnoxious), but it usually moves to a
non-visible portion of my window manager (which is severe).

I do not feel like writing my own `pre-display-buffer-function', or even
copying and changing `get-frame-for-buffer-noselect'.  Is there a way
out?
-- 
Colin Rafferty
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 reckless ride into the unknown."  -- Unabomber       |     -- Me

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>>>>> "Markus" == Markus Donderer <dm3773@scn.de> writes:

    Markus> Does someone know how to print a text with Xemacs in two
    Markus> colums in landscape format (like 'a2ps -2 file.txt').  Are
    Markus> there some postscript ELisp-packages ?

 I'd like to be able to print double-sided too, the way I can with
dvips, which has options for printing just odds or just evens, and in
reverse order.  I can print odds in reverse order, tap the stack
straight, and then run them through again to print the evens in
forward order.  (I use an HP Deskjet 600.)

 Of course I almost NEVER *print* anything anymore...

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Subject: Re: [19.14] console terminal problems
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keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:

> Chuck Thompson  <cthomp@xemacs.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> >>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:
> >
> >    Raymond> BTW, why aren't the precompiled binaries stripped ?  I
> >    Raymond> can see no use for debugging symbols in binary
> >    Raymond> distributions, whereas it takes a lot of space and
> >    Raymond> bandwidth.
> >
> >    Steven> If you think you don't need the symbols, strip them
> >    Steven> yourself.
> >
> >No, do NOT strip them yourself.  You cannot strip a dumped image.

Interesting.  What are the consequences, apart from debugging issues?

I'm asking this because I stripped emacsen many times without seeing any
difference except a significant disk space reduction.


> >This means that you cannot strip a binary kit since we do not include
> >the undumped binaries.

Is it documented somewhere which compile time options were used for building
the binary distributions?


> Notwithstanding these problems, I appreciate the quality and
> professionalism you, Ben, and others have applied to this fine
> software.


I couldn't agree more.  But, given their attidute, I don't think they
would interpret problem reports as negative criticism.

"Bug reports are the most sincere form of flattery".  It proves that people
are really using the software, that they really care about further improving
it, and that they are confident that their constructive critism will not drop
on deaf ears.


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From: Karim Sidi Baba <mmpc0@central.sussex.ac.uk>
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Subject: 19.14, Solaris 2.4 & W3
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Has anyone been successful in using W3 in Xemacs-19.14? I tried
compiling and using the tcp program described in the info, without any
luck. I have no firewall, it's just that Xemacs hangs while downloading
URLs.
Any hint will be very much appreciated, even if it involves recompiling!
Thanks in advance.

Karim

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Subject: [19.14] 11 Mega with dynamic link?
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Hi,

i have successfully installed XEmacs 19.14 on my HP
computer. I ve used the --dynamic option but the
program size is still 11 Megabytes.
(It seems still very big as XEmacs 19.13 was  only
4 Megabytes...)
How can i decrease it even more?

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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: HTML Mode <tab> characters.
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Brandon Harris <bharris@gaijin.com> writes:

> 	I went through O'Reilly's Emacs book and read the faq, and tried a
> couple of things:
[snip]
> 	but they didn't work.
> 
> 	What should I put there to get <tab> to behave like <tab>?

You can type C-q <tab> to get a tab character inserted.  I also have
the following in my startup file, which works on an X display at
least.

(global-set-key '(shift tab)' self-insert-command)

I hope this does what you want.

-- 
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Subject: Xemacs in reverse video (black background)
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I'd like to use Xemacs with a black background and with colors, but
all of the color schemes seem tailored for a white background.  Has
anyone gone to the effort of setting up faces for a black background?

Thanks,
James.


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From: jjaakkol@cs.helsinki.fi (Jani Jaakkola)
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Subject: xemacs, Linux console, mouse and gpm
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I just installed today xemacs-19.14. Now that it has color support
on ttys, it seems to have everything....

except mouse support on linux text-console. With gpm-1.09 came an
elisp package, which apparently does not work with xemacs.

I tried to track down the problem for only to find out that i am not
going to learn xemacs lisp, and (xemacs and fsf-emacs)
event handler differences in one day.

So is someone planning to implement a gpm mouse interface to tty-mode 
xemacs ? Does it already exist somewhere ?

If not, does anyone know of a way to just to generate xemacs mouse events
from lisp ? I might be able to fix the program distributed
with gpm, if that would be possible. Anyway, would mouse events 
even work in tty mode ?

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: memory usage on hp-ux --- help

i was told that hp-ux is well known for a peculiar implementation of
free(): free() does nothing, for "performance reasons" --- memory is
returned to the system only at the end of the execution

i'm forced to credit this statement as (1) xemacs grows out of bounds,
and (2) if i release all of my buffers (also some _big_ mailbox) i
have no pay-off in memory usage

i yell "help", but i doubt that this problem could be solved if what i
was told about free() is true

regards
			gb

(shell-command "uname -a" t)
HP-UX hp735 A.09.05 A 9000/735 2006394963 two-user license

(insert (emacs-version)) ;; it is the prebuilt binary
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

ps: i hear on the group reports of dyna-linked xemacs14 of about 11MB,
but the pre-built binary, with a lot of stuff statically linked, is
slightly above 4MB... reccomended


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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14: toolbar & fonts & modeline
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Thanks to everybody that helped me out on my three questions!!!
It seems to be the cleanest way to put everything into the .Xdefaults file, e.g.

----------
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-Fixed-Medium-R-*-*-*-130-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: 
-bitstream-charter-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-p-65-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -*-Fixed-bold-R-*-*-*-130-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: 
-bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-62-iso8859-1

Emacs.topToolBarHeight:	0
----------

With this setup I have no repaints on opening XEmacs-19.14 :-). So I would call the 
-fn command-line option 'obsolete' and there should maybe be a warning message 
somewhere when still used?! Furthermore the Save Options is not that helpfull for 
this problem, since the .xemacs-options (I thought its called 'XEmacs'...) s 
executed after the frame is shown the first time -> repaint...

Thanks again & bye,
Thomas

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Joachim Krumnow wrote:
> 
> Hi XEmacers,
> 
> I'm going crazy w/ mode-motion+ 3.15 and the new XEmacs 19.14. 

Try the following patch.  Warning: I don't have access to anything
other than the 19.14 alpha precompiled binary release via a losing 
PC X server so this hasn't undergone the same degree of testing
previous releases of mode-motion+ have (from me at least).

diff -c mode-motion+.el.~1~ mode-motion+.el
*** mode-motion+.el.~1~	Fri Jun 28 12:04:45 1996
--- mode-motion+.el	Fri Jun 28 12:04:45 1996
***************
*** 32,37 ****
--- 32,40 ----
  ;; at all.
  
  ; Change History
+ ; Revision 3.16 Fri Jun 28 13:01:12 1996 ritchier@msc.ie
+ ; Stop multiple highlighting lossage with 19.14 release.
+ 
  ; Revision 3.15 Thu Feb 15 14:26:34 GMT 1996 
Russell.Ritchie@gssec.bt.co.uk
  ; lisp-interaction-popup-menu => lisp-interaction-mode-popup-menu,
  ; emacs-lisp-popup-menu => emacs-lisp-mode-popup-menu.
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
  (require 'thing)
  (require 'mode-motion)
! (defconst mode-motion+-version "3.15")
  
  ;;; This file defines a set of mouse motion handlers that do some
  ;;; highlighting of the text when the mouse moves over.
--- 248,254 ----
  
  (require 'thing)
  (require 'mode-motion)
! (defconst mode-motion+-version "3.16")
  
  ;;; This file defines a set of mouse motion handlers that do some
  ;;; highlighting of the text when the mouse moves over.
***************
*** 1101,1113 ****
  	       (and buffer
  		    (set-buffer buffer)
  		    (select-window window))
- 	   
- 	       ;; kludge: if point = end-of-window, then probably the 
mouse
- 	       ;; is actually between the last line and the modeline.  
In
- 	       ;; this case move point to back one
- 	       (and point
- 		    (not (< point (window-end window)))
- 		    (setq point (1- point)))
  	       ;; Create a new mode-motion-extent if there isn't one 
  	       ;; (or a destroyed one)
  	       (if (and (extent-live-p mode-motion-extent)
--- 1104,1109 ----
***************
*** 1162,1179 ****
  		   (if (or (not (motion-handler-follow-point handler))
  			   (pos-visible-in-window-p point))
  		       (progn
! 			 ;; set the extent face
  			 (set-extent-face
  			  mode-motion-extent (motion-handler-face 
handler))
- 			 ;; set the new boundary
- 			 (set-extent-endpoints 
- 			  mode-motion-extent (car region) (cdr region))
- 			 ;; highlight if required
- 			 (set-extent-property
- 			  mode-motion-extent 'highlight
- 			  (motion-handler-highlight handler))
- 			 (highlight-extent mode-motion-extent
- 					   (motion-handler-highlight 
handler))
  			 ;; make point follow the mouse or point to
  			 ;; the beginning of the line do not move the
  			 ;; cursor if a mark is set.
--- 1158,1167 ----
  		   (if (or (not (motion-handler-follow-point handler))
  			   (pos-visible-in-window-p point))
  		       (progn
! 			 (set-extent-endpoints
! 			  mode-motion-extent (car region) (cdr region))
  			 (set-extent-face
  			  mode-motion-extent (motion-handler-face 
handler))
  			 ;; make point follow the mouse or point to
  			 ;; the beginning of the line do not move the
  			 ;; cursor if a mark is set.

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From: phd85@cc.keele.ac.uk (D. Holden)
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Subject: sunos precompiled bin (name lookup)
Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:53:33 GMT
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    The Sunos4.1.3  precompiled binaries dont seem to be able to
    do name lookup? 

     Dave.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: here it is: display-that-image-in-buffer


(defun display-that-image-in-buffer (file)
  "Puts the image contained in the file in the current buffer"
  (interactive "f")
  (let ((IT (make-glyph-internal)))	;; IT, a la Stephen King
    (set-glyph-property IT 'image file) ;; not as in ITaly
    (make-annotation IT nil 'text)))
    
hyper-basic, no error testing, nada!, but it works, at least with xpm
and gif, two of the only three formats i tested

the third format was jpeg, but i wasn't able to get it working

any further re-elaboration (e.g., make jpeg work) will be overly
appreciated

ciao
				gb

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I would like to thank the Steven L Baur and Markus Gutschke for their
help! 

In generaly I can say that you need to redefine all the fonts that you
are using. Thus you will not have any conflict with the Xemacs-19.13

thank you again!

Laszlo


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From: kukuk@uni-paderborn.de (Thorsten Kukuk)
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Subject: sc-mode with RCS
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Hello!

I have some troubles with xemacs 19.14 and the sc-mode with RCS.
Checking out a file with RCS->check out will work, but the menu
will not toggle to "Check in", so I could not use the menu to check
the file in. (Linux 2.0.0 and SunOS 4.1.3C)
With xemacs 19.13, it works.

  Thorsten

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From: Kit Powell <cccjp@cse.bris.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: XEmacs-19.14 and Mailcrypt
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Tony Craven <tcraven@mobile-systems.bt.co.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just added mailcrypt hooks into my .emacs file and am now able to encrypt
> mail and news messages prior to sending. However, when I try to decrypt, verify
> signatures etc... in the buffer I get the error...
> 
> Invalid function: (macro. #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc") nil "...2"
>  [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer
> has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>)
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 				Tony.....
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It seems to be a problem with the distributed copy of mc-toplev.elc (for Irix
5.3, at least); I re-compiled it and it works OK now.
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From: Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>
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Hi everyone

First of all congrats to everyone involved with the programming and
testing of XEmacs 19.14. It's excellent. A couple of minor questions
though:

1) C-x C-c (which used to exit XEmacs) now results in an "Attempt to
   delete the only frame" error, meaning I have to either use the
   pull-down menu, or type M-x kill-emacs. Is there any way to restore
   the "old" behavior?

2) In SGML mode (which is excellent), C-z does *not* call iconify
   frame like nearly all the other modes; again, is there a simple way
   to make this so?

Thanks in advance

Glenn.

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Subject: cannot dump XEmacs 19.14 on sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3
From: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
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I get the following error message when dumpimg with a statically
linked temacs:

	unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!

Here comes the complete make log:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 221 > ./config.guess
sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3
< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 222 > make LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
cd lwlib; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
cd dynodump; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
cd src; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
cd ../lwlib; make MAKE=make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=gcc LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
gcc -g -O      -L/usr/local/lib    -static                -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o            objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o   redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o        toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty!
 .o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexsunos4.o     console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o     window.o tparam.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm  -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11                  -ltermcap           -lgdbm     -lg   -lm             
EMACSLOADPATH="/tmp/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/tmp/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
Loading subr...
Loading replace...
Loading version.el...
Loading cl...
Loading cl-defs...
Loading cmdloop...
Loading keymap...
Loading syntax...
Loading device...
Loading console...
Loading obsolete...
Loading specifier...
Loading faces...
Loading glyphs...
Loading objects...
Loading extents...
Loading events...
Loading text-props...
Loading process...
Loading frame...
Loading map-ynp...
Loading simple...
Loading keydefs...
Loading abbrev...
Loading derived...
Loading minibuf...
Loading list-mode...
Loading modeline...
Loading loaddefs...
Loading misc...
Loading profile...
Loading help...
Loading files...
Loading lib-complete...
Loading format...
Loading indent...
Loading isearch-mode...
Loading buffer...
Loading buff-menu...
Loading undo-stack...
Loading window...
Loading paths.el...
Loading startup...
Loading lisp...
Loading page...
Loading register...
Loading iso8859-1...
Loading paragraphs...
Loading lisp-mode...
Loading text-mode...
Loading fill...
Loading cc-mode...
Loading float-sup...
Loading itimer...
Loading toolbar...
Loading scrollbar...
Loading menubar...
Loading dialog...
Loading gui...
Loading mode-motion...
Loading mouse...
Loading x-menubar...
Loading x-faces...
Loading x-iso8859-1...
Loading x-mouse...
Loading x-select...
Loading x-scrollbar...
Loading x-misc...
Loading x-init...
Loading x-toolbar...
Loading tty-init...
Loading vc-hooks...
Loading ediff-hook...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635636 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12621   100968  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7674   205316  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
   byte-code strings:       1670   105644  17%
   byte-constant vectors:   1670    74648  12%
   interactive strings:      298     5888   1%
   documentation strings:      0        0   0%
   other function strings:  1868    60664  10%
   other vectors:            259     6932   1%
   other strings:            523    21964   3%
   all strings:            12033   399476  63%
   all vectors:             1929    81580  13%

Impurities:
   conses used:                      8718
   conses free:                      5307
   cons storage:                   112420
   symbols used:                     7544
   symbol storage:                 181916
   vectors used:                      651
   vectors total length:            46058
   vector storage:                 189440
   short strings used:               2640
   strings free:                     3650
   short strings total length:      38357
   short string storage:            57344
   string header storage:           75628
   floats used:                         2
   floats free:                         9
   float storage:                    2040
   markers used:                       34
   markers free:                        2
   marker storage:                   2044
   extents used:                       16
   extent storage:                   2048
   symbol value lisp magics used:      23
   symbol value lisp magic storage:  1564
   symbol value varaliases used:       42
   symbol value varalias storage:    1008
   opaque lists used:                   2
   opaque list storage:                48
   opaques used:                        4
   opaque storage:                     96
   color instances used:                1
   color instance storage:             24
   font instances used:                 1
   font instance storage:              36
   range tables used:                   1
   range table storage:                16
   faces used:                         24
   face storage:                     1824
   glyphs used:                        17
   glyph storage:                     680
   specifiers used:                   345
   specifier storage:               19815
   weak lists used:                   345
   weak list storage:                8280
   buffers used:                        6
   buffer storage:                   1656
   extent infos used:                   4
   extent info storage:                80
   consoles used:                       3
   console storage:                   300
   command builders used:               1
   command builder storage:            56
   keymaps used:                      146
   keymap storage:                   6424
   devices used:                        1
   device storage:                    176
   frames used:                         1
   frame storage:                     212
   image instances used:                1
   image instance storage:             64
   windows used:                        2
   window storage:                    688
   lcrecord lists used:                13
   lcrecord list storage:             312
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make: *** [src] Error 2
Exit 2
< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 223 > gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/cygnus/progressive-96q2/H-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7-96q2/specs
gcc version 2.7-96q2
----------------------------------------------------------------------

???
	Oliver

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From: Charles Wingate <caw@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
To: jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk (James Riely)
Subject: Xemacs in reverse video (black background)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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James Riely writes:
 > I'd like to use Xemacs with a black background and with colors, but
 > all of the color schemes seem tailored for a white background.  Has
 > anyone gone to the effort of setting up faces for a black background?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > James.
 > 

I like a black background as well. Here is what I use.

Chuck W.

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;;; ********************
;;; Font-Lock is a syntax-highlighting package.  When it is enabled and you
;;; are editing a program, different parts of your program will appear in
;;; different fonts or colors.  For example, with the code below, comments
;;; appear in red italics, function names in function definitions appear in
;;; blue bold, etc.  The code below will cause font-lock to automatically be
;;; enabled when you edit C, C++, Emacs-Lisp, and many other kinds of
;;; programs.
;;;
;;; The "Options" menu has some commands for controlling this as well.
;;;
(cond ((string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
       (require 'font-lock)
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face "#00FFFF")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-preprocessor-face "orange")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-variable-name-face "white")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "#FFFF00")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face "green")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face "red")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face "#00FFFF")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-doc-string-face "orange")
       (set-face-foreground 'default "#FFFFFF")
       (set-face-foreground 'paren-match "blue")
       (set-face-background 'paren-match "white")
       (set-face-background 'default "black")
       (set-face-background 'highlight "blue")
       (set-face-background 'primary-selection "#505070")
       (set-face-background 'secondary-selection "#507070")
       (set-face-background 'isearch "#507070")

       (set-face-foreground 'pointer "red")
       (set-face-background 'pointer "red")

       (set-face-background 'modeline (list (cons 'x "#00FFFF")
				     (cons 'tty "black")))
       (set-face-foreground 'modeline-buffer-id (list (cons 'x "black")
					       (cons 'tty "white")))
       (set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable (list (cons 'x "black")
					      (cons 'tty "white")))
       (set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode (list
                                                           (cons 'x "black")
							 (cons 'tty "white")))


       (set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-string-face nil)
       (make-face-unitalic 'font-lock-type-face)
       (make-face-unitalic 'font-lock-string-face)
       (make-face-unitalic 'font-lock-function-name-face)
       (make-face-unitalic 'font-lock-comment-face)
       (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'c-mode-hook		'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'c++-mode-hook		'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'perl-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook		'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'texinfo-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'dired-mode-hook	'turn-on-font-lock)
       (add-hook 'ada-mode-hook		'turn-on-font-lock)
       ))

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From: Heiko Muenkel <muenkel@daedalus.tnt.uni-hannover.de>
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Subject: Re: BABYL -> Unix mail converter; where please?
Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:09:41 +0200
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cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel) writes:

> 
> Info sez there is such a utility, but I fear I can't find it (though
> it's prolly in front of my nose).  Guidance appreciated.

I think, that you are looking for b2m, which should be in the binanry
directory of your XEmacs. I think it should have a better name,
something like rmail2mail or babyl2unixmail (maybe as a symbolic link
to b2m), because I've seen a lot of people searching this tool.

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From: gary@rules.radionic.com (Gary Beckmann)
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Most sorry to bother you all, but I'm just posting this with 19.13 and
GNUS 4.1.3 to simply confirm that I was able to post without getting a
misconfigured system message. 

At the same time, any tips on what one needs to configure in Gnus?


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From: Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com>
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>>>>> Regarding 19.14 - its a dog; tkludy@segfault.engin.umich.edu
>>>>> (Tom Kludy) adds:

    Tom> But the new release is terribly slow..  Any hints for
    Tom> improved speed?  (short of upgrading my lowly 486/66.. can't
    Tom> afford it)

Strangely enough on the opposite side of the spectrum it seems to work
faster on my Linux box so far, and with garbage collection less
noticable (and those long delays from 19.13).  Linux kernel 2.0/libc
5.3.12...

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From: hc33@summitis.com (Mark Palumbo)
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Subject: Help c-mode tab indents how?
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Could someone please help!  I'm trying to get xemacs to format C code
to our company standards which are <TAB> based.  In old fashioned
GNU emacs, I put the following in my .emacs file:

(setq c-argdecl-indent 8 )
(setq c-label-offset -1)
(setq c-continued-statement-offset 8)
(setq c-indent-level 8)
(setq c-continued-brace-offset -8)

Now that I'm running xemacs (version 19.14 btw) the above seems to 
have no effect on the way C code is formatted.  I just get space
indents of 2.  

What I want is:

my_funct()
{
	if (a < b)
	{
		printf("yes\n");
	}
	else
	{
		printf("no\n");
	}
}

Where the indents are all real <TAB>'s.  Could someone please tell me
what I need to do with my .emacs etc. to achieve this?  

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may provide.

-Mark-

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Subject: cannot dump XEmacs 19.14 on sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3
From: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
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I get the following error message when dumpimg with a statically
linked temacs:

	unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!

Here comes the complete make log:

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< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 221 > ./config.guess
sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3
< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 222 > make LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
cd lwlib; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
cd dynodump; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
cd src; make all LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
cd ../lwlib; make MAKE=make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=gcc LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static LD_SWITCH_X_SITE=-static
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
gcc -g -O      -L/usr/local/lib    -static                -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o            objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o   redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o        toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty!
 .o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexsunos4.o     console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o     window.o tparam.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm  -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11                  -ltermcap           -lgdbm     -lg   -lm             
EMACSLOADPATH="/tmp/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/tmp/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
Loading subr...
Loading replace...
Loading version.el...
Loading cl...
Loading cl-defs...
Loading cmdloop...
Loading keymap...
Loading syntax...
Loading device...
Loading console...
Loading obsolete...
Loading specifier...
Loading faces...
Loading glyphs...
Loading objects...
Loading extents...
Loading events...
Loading text-props...
Loading process...
Loading frame...
Loading map-ynp...
Loading simple...
Loading keydefs...
Loading abbrev...
Loading derived...
Loading minibuf...
Loading list-mode...
Loading modeline...
Loading loaddefs...
Loading misc...
Loading profile...
Loading help...
Loading files...
Loading lib-complete...
Loading format...
Loading indent...
Loading isearch-mode...
Loading buffer...
Loading buff-menu...
Loading undo-stack...
Loading window...
Loading paths.el...
Loading startup...
Loading lisp...
Loading page...
Loading register...
Loading iso8859-1...
Loading paragraphs...
Loading lisp-mode...
Loading text-mode...
Loading fill...
Loading cc-mode...
Loading float-sup...
Loading itimer...
Loading toolbar...
Loading scrollbar...
Loading menubar...
Loading dialog...
Loading gui...
Loading mode-motion...
Loading mouse...
Loading x-menubar...
Loading x-faces...
Loading x-iso8859-1...
Loading x-mouse...
Loading x-select...
Loading x-scrollbar...
Loading x-misc...
Loading x-init...
Loading x-toolbar...
Loading tty-init...
Loading vc-hooks...
Loading ediff-hook...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635636 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12621   100968  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7674   205316  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
   byte-code strings:       1670   105644  17%
   byte-constant vectors:   1670    74648  12%
   interactive strings:      298     5888   1%
   documentation strings:      0        0   0%
   other function strings:  1868    60664  10%
   other vectors:            259     6932   1%
   other strings:            523    21964   3%
   all strings:            12033   399476  63%
   all vectors:             1929    81580  13%

Impurities:
   conses used:                      8718
   conses free:                      5307
   cons storage:                   112420
   symbols used:                     7544
   symbol storage:                 181916
   vectors used:                      651
   vectors total length:            46058
   vector storage:                 189440
   short strings used:               2640
   strings free:                     3650
   short strings total length:      38357
   short string storage:            57344
   string header storage:           75628
   floats used:                         2
   floats free:                         9
   float storage:                    2040
   markers used:                       34
   markers free:                        2
   marker storage:                   2044
   extents used:                       16
   extent storage:                   2048
   symbol value lisp magics used:      23
   symbol value lisp magic storage:  1564
   symbol value varaliases used:       42
   symbol value varalias storage:    1008
   opaque lists used:                   2
   opaque list storage:                48
   opaques used:                        4
   opaque storage:                     96
   color instances used:                1
   color instance storage:             24
   font instances used:                 1
   font instance storage:              36
   range tables used:                   1
   range table storage:                16
   faces used:                         24
   face storage:                     1824
   glyphs used:                        17
   glyph storage:                     680
   specifiers used:                   345
   specifier storage:               19815
   weak lists used:                   345
   weak list storage:                8280
   buffers used:                        6
   buffer storage:                   1656
   extent infos used:                   4
   extent info storage:                80
   consoles used:                       3
   console storage:                   300
   command builders used:               1
   command builder storage:            56
   keymaps used:                      146
   keymap storage:                   6424
   devices used:                        1
   device storage:                    176
   frames used:                         1
   frame storage:                     212
   image instances used:                1
   image instance storage:             64
   windows used:                        2
   window storage:                    688
   lcrecord lists used:                13
   lcrecord list storage:             312
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make: *** [src] Error 2
Exit 2
< 0 sun:xemacs-19.14 223 > gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/cygnus/progressive-96q2/H-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7-96q2/specs
gcc version 2.7-96q2
----------------------------------------------------------------------

???
	Oliver

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From: Mark Towfiq - SunSoft PC Networking <towfiq@east.sun.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: xemacs-9.14 install glitch & error on startup
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:11:44 -0400
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Kevin Gallagher wrote:
> In article <x620j3i712.fsf@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu>,
> David Fenyes  <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:
> >More importantly, I get the following message on startup:
> >
> >Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
> >
> >and the .emacs file is never loaded.  This happens even without a
> >.emacs file, and as best as I can tell, happens somewhere after the
> >cl-extra package is loading.  I can't localize it any more than that.
> 
> I have the same problem when compiling with the SparcWorks compiler 
> under Solaris 2.4.  I haven't a clue as to what is wrong nor how to > investigate it.

I can add a little information to this: I get a syslog message with
this on the console: "I_SETSIG failed 22".  I am sure this is related
somehow; perhaps 19.14 is trying to set a signal that is not supported
in Solaris?  I'd have to scrounge around in the code.  In any case,
it's a pretty bad bug, as things like mail don't seem to work right
even after you manually load your .emacs file.

Mark

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Thomas Bueschgens <sledge@hammer.oche.de> writes:
> Thomas> After upgrading from Xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 (nice job!!) and
> Thomas> from Gnus Version 5.2.23 to 5.2.25 (nice job as usual, Lars)
> Thomas> Mailcrypt 3.4 stopped working "correctly".

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Hmm.  This sounds like an out-of-date Mailcrypt problem (which is not
> Mailcrypt's fault).
> Are you using a private copy of Mailcrypt 3.4 by any chance?

No, I concur with Thomas.  Having just made a large leap forward from
5.0.x to 5.2.25 (and now .29, this morning), mailcrypt as delivered
with XEmacs 19.14 & 5.2.25 is unable to find the encrypted message.
Encryption works fine; decryption fails.

I have no private copy of mailcrypt at all at this point; what I have
is what came with 19.14, which identifies itself thus:

[1265] :/opt/gnu/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/mailcrypt> grep mc-version mailcrypt.el
(defconst mc-version "3.4")

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From: arne@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Arne Bayer)
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I got a problem after switching from XEmacs 19.13 to 19.14.

When I run gnus and click on an article with the middle mouse button,
it beeps and says:
   Marker does not point anywhere
but nevertheless the selected article is shown in the lower window.

Any suggestion?

   Arne.

P.S.: Has anybody made hl319-xemacs.el working with XEmacs 19.14?
      I always get the error:
         Couldn't allocate colour for ...
         Must be string, vector, or font-instance: nil
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Hi,

In Xemacs 19.13, when one first loaded the news app., xemacs
would ask for the nntp address (and probably saved it). Xemacs 19.14
on the other hand doesn't queue for this but tried the local host as 
the nntp address. I have tried to modify the nntp.el file without
avail. Is there any way one can explictly set this address ?

Any pointer posted either here or email would be greatly appreciated.

Minhhuy Ho

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From: David Fenyes <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu>
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Subject: Re: Options -> Font/Size/Weight  (doesn't seem to save)
Date: 28 Jun 1996 08:24:40 -0500
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Andrew Veliath <veliaa@rpi.edu> writes:

> 
> 
> If I change the Font/Size/Weight under Options then do a Save options,
> they don't seem to save.  I changed it manually, but is this the
> desired behavior?
> 

I have the same problem on Xemacs compiled for Solaris 2.5.  Even if I
change the font by hand, I keep getting the same error:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version
 of "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

Where is the -dt-interface user- font coming from, and how can I
expunge the reference to it?

Thanks for any info.

-- 
David Fenyes                               University of Texas Medical School
dave@msrad72.med.uth.tmc.edu               Dept. of Radiology

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From: Stephan Duehr <stephan.duehr@fernuni-hagen.de>
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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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simon goland wrote:
> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ. Could you
> give me some more details? I hope to convince our sysadmin to
> upgrade, if the features are worth it.

Already in 19.13 there was a fine HTML-Mode. For more Information:
http://www.tnt.uni-hannover.de:80/data/info/www/tnt/soft/info/www/html-editors/hm--html-menus/overview.html

-- 
Stephan Duehr (Stephan.Duehr@FernUni-Hagen.de)
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Subject: Re: More useful temp buffer new window control
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JS> == Jordan Samuels <samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu>

 JS> Is there ANY way to change the font in just one frame?

(set-face-font 'default "fixed" (selected-frame))

You can use the "long" font names there too.
-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
                               -- Judge Stewart Dalzell in _ACLU v. Reno_

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From: Peter Memishian - SunSoft <meem@suneast.east.sun.com>
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Subject: 19.14 *SLOW* startup under linux 2.0.0
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hi,

first of all, 19.14 seems great!

however, i have had one problem: the startup under linux is
intolerably slow..! compared with 19.13, the startup time seems to
take about twice as long... most of this time is spent waiting for the
initial xemacs frame to appear on my screen.  Even when linux has the
entire executable image cached in memory, 19.14 still can take ~20
seconds to display initially on a pentium-120 with 64 megs of ram!
when i fire up 19.13 right beside it, it flies right along. what's the
scoop?

i'm using the stock precompiled linux binaries for systems with shared
motif support. 

has anyone else had any similar problems?

thanks!
--
meem

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DH> == D Holden <phd85@cc.keele.ac.uk>

 DH> The Sunos4.1.3 precompiled binaries dont seem to be able to do name
 DH> lookup?

That's correct.  Since Sun figured that everyone used NIS to do name
lookups (that DNS thing was apparently only a passing fad, right?), the
stock SunOS 4.x systems don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.

(That's why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.)

The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then proceed to
link against the DNS resolver library code.

[Steve Baur: does this belong in the FAQ yet?  Aaaarggggh.]
-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
                               -- Judge Stewart Dalzell in _ACLU v. Reno_

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From: scotth@visix.com (Scott Hofmann)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: 19.14 - its a dog
Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:37:28 -0400
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>>>>> "AV" == Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com> writes:

>>>>> Regarding 19.14 - its a dog; tkludy@segfault.engin.umich.edu
>>>>> (Tom Kludy) adds:

 Tom> But the new release is terribly slow..  Any hints for
 Tom> improved speed?  (short of upgrading my lowly 486/66.. can't
 Tom> afford it)

 AV> Strangely enough on the opposite side of the spectrum it seems to work
 AV> faster on my Linux box so far, and with garbage collection less
 AV> noticable (and those long delays from 19.13).  Linux kernel 2.0/libc
 AV> 5.3.12...

There seems to be a greater impact from loaded elisp packages. XEmacs can't
keep up with my typing unless I run "xemacs -q", in which case the performance
is good.

scott

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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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Reply-To: "Jerry G. DeLapp" <jgd@lanl.gov>

>>>>> In article <31D3DF1B.2781E494@fernuni-hagen.de>, Stephan Duehr <stephan.duehr@fernuni-hagen.de> writes:

>> simon goland wrote:
>> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
>> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
>> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ. Could you
>> give me some more details? I hope to convince our sysadmin to
>> upgrade, if the features are worth it.

Stephan> Already in 19.13 there was a fine HTML-Mode. For more Information:
Stephan> http://www.tnt.uni-hannover.de:80/data/info/www/tnt/soft/info/www/html-editors/hm--html-menus/overview.html

Except that it was superceded by the psgml package in 19.14.  That package has
an info node.  hm--html-menus is still in the distribution, but you have to
autoload it to get it instead of the psgml stuff.  The code to do this can be
found in the lisp/hm--html=menus/README file under INSTALLATION, item number
2.  Put that code in your .emacs and you'll get the 19.13 HTML editing package.

XEmacs 19.14 is cool, despite the fact that I don't like the psgml package,
yet ;-).

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Subject: here it is: display-that-image-in-buffer
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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> writes:
> (defun display-that-image-in-buffer (file)
>   "Puts the image contained in the file in the current buffer"
>   (interactive "f")
>   (let ((IT (make-glyph-internal)))	;; IT, a la Stephen King
>     (set-glyph-property IT 'image file) ;; not as in ITaly
>     (make-annotation IT nil 'text)))
>     
> hyper-basic, no error testing, nada!, but it works, at least with xpm
> and gif, two of the only three formats i tested
> 
> the third format was jpeg, but i wasn't able to get it working
> 
> any further re-elaboration (e.g., make jpeg work) will be overly
> appreciated
> 
> ciao
> 				gb

-----------------------------------

 It works here, .xpm .gif and .jpg all display.  I couldn't get the
only .png file on my system to display; no error message was shown,
and it returned a #<...> that said "extent" something...

 Not all of the .gif's I tried worked.  I was able to kill/yank a
picture though.  Scrolling the buffer is strange with a large picture
in the buffer.  I had to move the scrollbar quite a ways to get any
motion.  But small glyphs scroll very smoothly.  Beats the Netscape
scroll-flash widget for certain. :)

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From: glenn@prl.research.philips.com (Glenn Coombs)
Subject: unexec fails on Solaris 2.5 with XEmacs 19.14
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I can't get XEmacs 19.14 to compile under Solaris 2.5.  It gets all the way
to the end of the compile, makes a temacs executable and then fails at the
last hurdle:

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: 
   ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: 
      referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make: *** [xemacs] Error 1

This is what I used to configure it with:

./configure --site-includes='/usr/local/include' 
            --site-libraries='/usr/local/lib'
            --with-gnu-make --dynamic --prefix=/usr/local/gnu

Below is the output from configure run with the --extra-verbose flag.

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- You did not tell me what kind of host system you want to configure.
- I will attempt to guess the kind of system this is.
- Looks like this is a sparc-sun-solaris2.5
checking for ln -s
	setting LN_S to ln -s
checking the configuration name
checking for gcc
	setting CC to gcc
checking how to run the C preprocessor
	setting CPP to gcc -E
	setting RANLIB to :
checking for a BSD compatible install
	setting INSTALL to /usr/local/gnu/bin/install -c
	setting INSTALL_PROGRAM to ${INSTALL}
	setting INSTALL_DATA to ${INSTALL} -m 644
checking for bison
	setting YACC to bison -y
checking for AIX
checking for mach/mach.h
conftest.c:2: mach/mach.h: No such file or directory
checking for sys/stropts.h
	defining HAVE_SYS_STROPTS_H
checking for sys/timeb.h
	defining HAVE_SYS_TIMEB_H
checking for sys/time.h
	defining HAVE_SYS_TIME_H
checking for unistd.h
	defining HAVE_UNISTD_H
checking for utime.h
	defining HAVE_UTIME_H
checking for sys/wait.h
	defining HAVE_SYS_WAIT_H
checking for libintl.h
	defining HAVE_LIBINTL_H
checking for locale.h
	defining HAVE_LOCALE_H
checking for libgen.h
	defining HAVE_LIBGEN_H
checking for linux/version.h
conftest.c:2: linux/version.h: No such file or directory
checking for ANSI C header files
	defining STDC_HEADERS
checking for whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included
	defining TIME_WITH_SYS_TIME
checking for sys_siglist declaration in signal.h or unistd.h
conftest.c: In function `t':
conftest.c:8: `sys_siglist' undeclared (first use this function)
conftest.c:8: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
conftest.c:8: for each function it appears in.)
checking for struct utimbuf
	defining HAVE_STRUCT_UTIMBUF
checking for return type of signal handlers
	defining RETSIGTYPE to be void
checking for struct timeval
	defining HAVE_TIMEVAL
checking for struct tm in time.h
checking for tm_zone in struct tm
conftest.c: In function `t':
conftest.c:7: structure has no member named `tm_zone'
checking for tzname
	defining HAVE_TZNAME
checking for lack of working const
checking byte ordering
	defining WORDS_BIGENDIAN
checking for long file names
	defining HAVE_LONG_FILE_NAMES
checking for -xildoff compiler flag
checking for specified window system
  No window system specified.  Looking for X11.
checking for X include and library files with xmkmf
	X11 headers are in /usr/openwin/include
	X11 libraries are in /usr/openwin/lib
  Using X11.
examining the machine- and system-dependent files to find out
 - which libraries the lib-src programs will want, and
 - whether the GNU malloc routines are usable.
checking for -ldnet
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -ldnet: No such file or directory
checking for -lXbsd
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lXbsd: No such file or directory
checking for -lpthreads
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lpthreads: No such file or directory
checking for XFree86
	no
checking for -lX11
	yes
checking for -lXau
	defining HAVE_XAUTH
checking for -lDtSvc
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lDtSvc: No such file or directory
	defining HAVE_XLOCALE_H
checking the version of X11 being used
	defining THIS_IS_X11R5
checking for X11/Xlocale.h
	defining HAVE_X11_XLOCALE_H
checking for -lm
	defining HAVE_LIBM
checking for -lXpm
	defining HAVE_XPM
checking for -lXmu
	defining HAVE_XMU
checking for compface.h
checking for -lcompface
	defining HAVE_XFACE
	defining HAVE_GIF
checking for jpeglib.h
checking for -ljpeg
	defining HAVE_JPEG
checking for png.h
checking for -lpng
checking for -lz
	defining HAVE_PNG
checking for -lXm
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lXm: No such file or directory
checking for -lXm in another way
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lXm: No such file or directory
checking for declaration of h_errno in netdb.h
	defining HAVE_H_ERRNO
checking for sigsetjmp
	defining HAVE_SIGSETJMP
checking whether localtime caches TZ
checking whether cross-compiling
	no
checking for whether gettimeofday can't accept two arguments
	no
checking for whether inline functions are supported
	defining HAVE_INLINE
checking for working alloca.h
	defining HAVE_ALLOCA_H
checking for alloca
	defining HAVE_ALLOCA
checking for pid_t in sys/types.h
checking for vfork.h
conftest.c:2: vfork.h: No such file or directory
checking for working vfork
	defining vfork to be fork
checking for strcoll
	defining HAVE_STRCOLL
checking size of short
	defining SIZEOF_SHORT to be 2
checking size of int
	defining SIZEOF_INT to be 4
checking size of long
	defining SIZEOF_LONG to be 4
checking for acosh
	defining HAVE_ACOSH
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	defining HAVE_ASINH
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	defining HAVE_ATANH
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	defining HAVE_CBRT
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checking for eaccess
	defining HAVE_EACCESS
checking for fmod
	defining HAVE_FMOD
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checking for frexp
	defining HAVE_FREXP
checking for ftime
	defining HAVE_FTIME
checking for gethostname
	defining HAVE_GETHOSTNAME
checking for getpagesize
	defining HAVE_GETPAGESIZE
checking for gettimeofday
	defining HAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY
checking for getwd
	defining HAVE_GETWD
checking for logb
	defining HAVE_LOGB
checking for lrand48
	defining HAVE_LRAND48
checking for matherr
	defining HAVE_MATHERR
checking for mkdir
	defining HAVE_MKDIR
checking for mktime
	defining HAVE_MKTIME
checking for perror
	defining HAVE_PERROR
checking for poll
	defining HAVE_POLL
checking for random
	defining HAVE_RANDOM
checking for realpath
	defining HAVE_REALPATH
checking for rename
	defining HAVE_RENAME
checking for res_init
/var/tmp/cca0077y1.o: In function `t':
/var/tmp/cca0077y1.o(.text+0xc): undefined reference to `res_init'
checking for rint
	defining HAVE_RINT
checking for rmdir
	defining HAVE_RMDIR
checking for select
	defining HAVE_SELECT
checking for setitimer
	defining HAVE_SETITIMER
checking for setpgid
	defining HAVE_SETPGID
checking for setlocale
	defining HAVE_SETLOCALE
checking for setsid
	defining HAVE_SETSID
checking for sigblock
/var/tmp/cca0079D1.o: In function `t':
/var/tmp/cca0079D1.o(.text+0xc): undefined reference to `sigblock'
checking for sighold
	defining HAVE_SIGHOLD
checking for sigprocmask
	defining HAVE_SIGPROCMASK
checking for strcasecmp
	defining HAVE_STRCASECMP
checking for strerror
	defining HAVE_STRERROR
checking for tzset
	defining HAVE_TZSET
checking for utimes
	defining HAVE_UTIMES
checking for waitpid
	defining HAVE_WAITPID
checking for mmap
	defining HAVE_MMAP
checking for socket
checking for netinet/in.h
checking for arpa/inet.h
	defining HAVE_SOCKETS
checking for sun_len member in struct sockaddr_un
conftest.c: In function `t':
conftest.c:6: structure has no member named `sun_len'
checking for dirent.h
	defining SYSV_SYSTEM_DIR
checking how to do terminal I/O
checking for termios.h
	defining HAVE_TERMIOS
checking for nlist.h
	defining NLIST_STRUCT
checking for -lncurses
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -lncurses: No such file or directory
checking for -ldb
/usr/local/gnu/sparc-sun-solaris2.4/bin/ld: cannot open -ldb: No such file or directory
checking for dbopen
/var/tmp/cca007BT1.o: In function `t':
/var/tmp/cca007BT1.o(.text+0xc): undefined reference to `dbopen'
checking for -lgdbm
	defining HAVE_LIBGDBM
	defining HAVE_DBM
	defining HAVE_GNU_DBM
	defining EMACS_CONFIGURATION to be "sparc-sun-solaris2.5"
	defining config_machfile to be "m/sparc.h"
	defining config_opsysfile to be "s/sol2-5.h"
	defining LD_SWITCH_X_SITE to be -L/usr/openwin/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib
	defining LD_SWITCH_X_SITE_AUX to be 
	defining C_SWITCH_X_SITE to be -I/usr/openwin/include
	defining LD_SWITCH_SITE to be  -L/usr/local/lib
	defining C_SWITCH_SITE to be  -I/usr/local/include
	defining UNEXEC_SRC to be unexsol2.c
	defining HAVE_X_WINDOWS
	defining GNU_MALLOC
	defining REL_ALLOC
	defining LISP_FLOAT_TYPE
	defining LWLIB_MENUBARS_LUCID
	defining HAVE_MENUBARS
	defining LWLIB_SCROLLBARS_LUCID
	defining HAVE_SCROLLBARS
	defining LWLIB_DIALOGS_ATHENA
	defining HAVE_DIALOGS
	defining HAVE_TOOLBARS
	defining HAVE_TTY
	defining DYNODUMP
	defining USE_GCC
	defining HAVE_NATIVE_SOUND
	defining USE_GNU_MAKE
	defining CONST_IS_LOSING
	defining USE_ASSERTIONS
	defining NO_UNION_TYPE


Configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.5'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /export/src/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?		  /usr/local/gnu
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/sol2-5.h' and `m/sparc.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc  -g -O 
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/openwin/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/openwin/lib
  Additional header files:                                /usr/local/include
  Additional libraries:                                   /usr/local/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in native sound support.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.


creating config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile.in
creating man/Makefile.in
creating src/Makefile.in
creating lwlib/Makefile.in
creating dynodump/Makefile.in
creating src/config.h
creating src/Makefile
creating lwlib/Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile
creating dynodump/Makefile
creating man/Makefile

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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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>>>>> "simon" == simon goland <sg@orby.mda.ca> writes:

simon> Hi,
simon> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
simon> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
simon> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ.

It contains built-in validation (never, never use an HTML editor that
doesn't validate).  It recognizes HTML 3.2 (Wilbur), it has wonderful
font-locking colors:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/wingpsgml-mode.gif

It works out of the box.  It's a lot of fun to use.  It has context
sensitive keyword and tag insertion by mouse & menu.

The only real complaint I have with it is that the default templates
are lame, but that's easily corrected ...
-- 
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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: [Q] *Message-Log* Missing in 19.14?
Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:06:34 -0700
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Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:

> >      Well, the message log buffer is still there.  You could just switch
> > to it to see the contents.  Note that the name is " *Message-Log*", and
> > not "*Message-Log*" (note the leading space, which has to be entered
> > using C-q).
> 
> Actually, the C-q is not necessary -- just the space is required.

     The C-q *IS* necessary, if you use C-x b (switch-to-buffer) to view
the log buffer.

     -- Darryl Okahata
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From: Steve Ho <ho@mozart.metsci.com>
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Subject: Re: Help c-mode tab indents how?
Date: 28 Jun 1996 12:14:22 -0400
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hc33@summitis.com (Mark Palumbo) writes:

> 
> Could someone please help!  I'm trying to get xemacs to format C code
> to our company standards which are <TAB> based.  In old fashioned
> GNU emacs, I put the following in my .emacs file:
> 

Try adding the following in your ~/.emacs.  I got this from a search of Deja
News when I had the same problem you did.  I don't remember the author of
the code, but it should do exactly what you need.

;;; ============================
;;; Load much improved versions of the C and C++ modes.
;;; ============================
(autoload 'c++-mode "cc-mode" "C++ Editing Mode" t)
(autoload 'c-mode   "cc-mode" "C Editing Mode" t)

;; ============================
;; c mode stuff from sample
;; ============================
(defconst my-c-style
  '((c-tab-always-indent           . t)
    (c-hanging-braces-alist        . ((substatement-open before after)
				      (brace-list-open)))
    (c-hanging-colons-alist        . ((member-init-intro before)
				      (inher-intro)
				      (case-label after)
				      (label after)
				      (access-label after)))
    (c-cleanup-list                . (scope-operator
				      empty-defun-braces
				      defun-close-semi))
    (c-offsets-alist               . ((arglist-close     . c-lineup-arglist)
				      (substatement-open . 0)
				      (case-label        . 4)
				      (block-open        . 0)
				      (knr-argdecl-intro . -)))

;; Prints out debugging info to the minibuffer, so it's really not needed
;;    (c-echo-syntactic-information-p . t)
    )
  "My C Programming Style")

;; Customizations for all of c-mode, c++-mode, and objc-mode
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  ;; add my personal style and set it for the current buffer
  (c-add-style "My C Style" my-c-style t)
  ;; offset customizations not in my-c-style
  (c-set-offset 'member-init-intro '++)
  ;; other customizations
  (setq c-basic-offset 8)
  (setq tab-width 8
	;; this will make sure tabs are used instead of spaces
	indent-tabs-mode t)
  ;; we like auto-newline and hungry-delete
  (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)
  ;; keybindings for C, C++, and Objective-C.  We can put these in
  ;; c-mode-map because c++-mode-map and objc-mode-map inherit it
  (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
  )

;; the following only works in Emacs 19
;; Emacs 18ers can use (setq c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

;; ============================
;; End of c mode stuff
;; ============================


Hope this helps..

Steve
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>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:

Raymond> Is it documented somewhere which compile time options were
Raymond> used for building the binary distributions?

You should have received a file in the toplevel directory named
something like `README.i486-unknown-linux2.0', which is supposed to
contain the configuration options used.

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Subject: Re: 19.14, hpux 10.10: crashes, sounds won't link or else exit; gnuclient broken
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In article <4qvda5$omi@news.dtc.hp.com>,
Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> wrote:
>In 10.10, HP doesn't seem to ship an archived version of libAlib (or
>libcurses, either).  I'm not sure why.  One workaround is to link
>"archive_shared", which tells the HP-UX linker to use the archived version of
>a library if it's available, otherwise use the shared version.  The ld(1)
>switch to do this is "-a archive_shared".
>
>The configure script won't do this for you automatically, so you'll have to
>edit src/Makefile manually after configure has been run.  If you're using
>HP's cc, you can just put "-a archive_shared" in LDFLAGS.  If you're using
>gcc, the approved method seems to be to add
>"-Xlinker -a -Xlinker archive_shared" to LDFLAGS.

When I do this the link of temacs fails with

/usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   shl_findsym (code)
   shl_load (code)
   shl_unload (code)

This happens with both gcc and cc, although gcc first prints

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

And it happens even if I say --dynamic=yes. I tried also adding -ldld to the end
of LIBES and that appears to fix everything!

However, there is another problem which I haven't mentioned until now because
I wasn't sure whether it was because of running a 9.03 binary on 10.10 or
something: using (load-default-sounds), if it tries to play a sound too quickly
after another sound there's a delay of about 3 secs before the second sound is
played. This is quite highly annoying. Under 9.03 the extra delay is only about
a second long. Using audio_editor to play the same sound rapidly in succession
on 10.10 has an extra delay of only about a second, like the hpux 9 xemacs.
The latency between when the play button is pressed and when the sound plays
is also much shorter in the audio_editor than in either version of xemacs.
Any ideas what might be causing this and/or how to fix it?
   Tim

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>>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:

> David S. Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> wrote:

>> I'm looking for a capability to fill paragraphs *excluding* the first line.
>> A good example of this is filling an Emacs outline like the following:

>> ================
>> * Title1
>> A paragraph describing this title
>> in more detail.
>> 
>> ** Subtitle1
>> A paragraph describing this title
>> in more detail as well.

> Find this line in filladapt.el.

>     ("[-~*+]+[ \t]" . bullet)

> Remove the asterisk and re-byte-compile.  * won't be considered a bullet
> character anymore.

But then if I filled the Title1 paragraph, it would come out looking like:

* Title1 A paragraph describing this title in 
more detail.

Whereas I would want:

* Title1
A paragraph describing this title in more detail.

Can filladapt be told to leave the first line of a paragraph alone?
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>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Hanlan <keithh@bnr.ca> writes:

    Keith> In article <4qsd56$8mp@usenet.rpi.edu>, Wm. Randolph U Franklin
    Keith> <wrfuse@mab.ecse.rpi.edu> wrote:

    >> This is on a Sun IPC with SunOS.

I'm running 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 Sparc 2 with no noticable slowdown compared
to 19.13. I did three compiles though, each with a greater level of
optimization (using gcc 2.7.2). It compiled and runs fine using -O3.

GNUS takes a while to load up, but then I leave it active and everything is
fine. Font-lock is speed appears to be about the same. I use lazy-lock for
really large files.

    Keith> I've noticed that the binary for 19.14 is twice as large (11MB) as
    Keith> the 19.13 binary.

That caught my eye as well.

I've also compiled 19.14 on an AIX 4.1.4 Motorola PowerStack with no
problems, again with gcc 2.7.2 and -O3 optimization. Its nice and zippy.

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> David Fenyes  <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:
> >More importantly, I get the following message on startup:
> >
> >Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
> >
> >and the .emacs file is never loaded.  This happens even without a
> >.emacs file, and as best as I can tell, happens somewhere after the
> >cl-extra package is loading.  I can't localize it any more than that.

I also have this problem and several people have tried to help, but we
didn't find a solution. So, I just recompiled without sparcworks :-(


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>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

Colin> I just switched, and I love it.  However, what seems to be a
Colin> bug fix in `get-frame-for-buffer' is causing me great misery.

Colin> When I `switch-to-buffer-other-window', or
Colin> `find-file-other-window', if the buffer's window is visible on
Colin> another frame, then that frame is selected.

Colin> I hate that.  I use a virtual window manager, so not only does
Colin> my mouse focus change (which is very obnoxious), but it usually
Colin> moves to a non-visible portion of my window manager (which is
Colin> severe).

Your concerns should be addressed in 19.15.  I reported these
difficulties too late in the Beta 19.14 cycle to be fixed for 19.14.

-- 
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:

> 
> Miguel Oyarzun <moyarzun@irakere.bbn.com> writes:
> 
> > I am trying to use Gnus 5.2.25 as a mail reader under XEmacs 19.14, and
> > am having difficulty determining the proper configuration to get Gnus
> > to fetch my mail over a POP connection.
> 
> Does the POP server require a password?  If so, set
> `nnmail-pop-password-required' to t.
> 


  OK, I saw that one in the docs. How about grabbing mail from
multiple places? Gnus is going great getting mail from my spool file
and sorting it and presenting it as newsgroups (BTW, can I rename them
to not be called 'nnml:Stuff' or 'nnml+private:Stuff' and instead be
called 'Stuff'??). But I want to get my mail from a POP server on
campus as well. Yea, I want it all.

  BTW, great job. I have been using the Gnus 5 for a long time now,
very hapy with it.

--

   Sean Kellner
  skellner@ddt.eng.uc.edu

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In article <m2n31pxcfb.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:

>
>I've compiled 19.14 with --cflags=-O4, and it has been stable,
>noticeably faster than with little or no optimization, and it has been
>subjected to (and survived) the Gnus Torture Test.
>
>Apparently stripping the dumped executable causes problems, so don't
>do it.  My binary is (unstripped):
>
>-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      3086835 Jun 22 15:04 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14*
>
>(Compiled with Linux 2.0.0/ELF, Gcc 2.7.2 no-srbug, libc 5.3.12,
>binutils 2.6.0.14, ncurses 1.9.9e).
>

Thanks for the info; I'll try another recompile and see if I can
reproduce your results, upgrading the libs and utils if necessary.

Does anyone know if the Redhat 3.0.3 GCC-2.7.2 has been patched
to remove the strength-reduce bug, or will I need a more recent GCC?


-- 
                  C. Chan 
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Hi:

We moved to emacs 19.31 and when I run shell in emacs I get  the
following message:

Symbol's function definition is void: full-copy-sparse-keymap


Does anyone have any idea what this means.


Thanks for all the help.


Anupam.

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Hi:

We moved to emacs 19.31 and when I run shell in emacs I get  the
following message:

Symbol's function definition is void: full-copy-sparse-keymap


Does anyone have any idea what this means.


Thanks for all the help.


Anupam.

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PA> == Paramesh A <paramesh@ikos.com>

 PA> I like the C, C++, perl modes in XEmacs.  They are really cool ones.
 PA> But there is a small hitch. I have many old files which are not
 PA> XEmacs-indented. I would like to have all of them converted into this
 PA> format. The 'indent' program under SunOS appears to be meant for only
 PA> C files.

 PA> Any utilities out there to do this job ? 

C-x C-f file (find-file)
M-<          (beginning-of-buffer)
M->          (end-of-buffer)
C-x C-x      (exchange-point-and-mark)
M-C-\        (indent-region)

You could also use keyboard macros or write some lisp to simplify the
process a little.

Someone who's better at elisp than I am could probably write something
suitable for running with xemacs -batch -l indentfiles.el oldsrc/*
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Jordan Samuels (samuels@noise.bsd.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: I would REALLY love to see

: (c) if the buffer already exists, switch to its frame, else do (a)

Try this:

;;
;; An improved find-file:
;; Pops up an existing frame, rather than open a new one.
(defun recycle-frame-find-file (filename &optional where)
  "Bring up a buffer for FILENAME; Optional arg WHERE determines
  location: if > 0, new frame; < 0 new window; 0 or no arg, current
  frame/window.  If an existing frame is already showing FILENAME,
  that frame is popped up, overriding WHERE."
  (interactive "FLook at file: \np")
  (let ((new-buf (find-file-noselect filename)))
    (warp-to-buffer new-buf where)))

;;
;; An improved switch-buffer:
;; Pops up an existing frame, rather than open a new one.
(defun warp-to-buffer (buffer &optional where)
  "Warp to BUFFER; optional argument WHERE determines how:
	o if > 0, new frame
	o if < 0, new window
	o if 0 or no argument, current frame/window
	o If a frame is already showing BUFFER, that frame will be
	  displayed in preference to WHERE."
  (interactive "BBuffer to warp to: \np")
  (if (stringp buffer)
      (or
       (setq buffer (get-buffer-create buffer))
       (error "%s is not a valid buffer." buffer)))
  (let ((frames (frames-of-buffer buffer)))
    (cond
     (frames
      (warp-pointer-to-buffer buffer (car frames)))
     ((or (and (symbolp where) (eq where 'frame))
	  (and (numberp where) (> where 1)))
      (switch-to-buffer-other-frame buffer)
      (warp-pointer-to-buffer buffer))
     ((or (and (symbolp where) (eq where 'window))
	  (and (numberp where) (< where 0)))
      (pop-to-buffer buffer))
     (t
      (switch-to-buffer buffer)))))

(defun warp-pointer-to-buffer (buffer &optional frame)
  "Warp the pointer into BUFFER, optionally specifying FRAME."
  (if (eq frame nil)
      (let ((frames (frames-of-buffer buffer)))
	(if (not frames)
	    (error "No frames for buffer %s." (buffer-name buffer)))
	(setq frame (car frames))))
  (if (not (framep frame))
      (error "Object %s is not a frame." frame))
  (if (not (bufferp buffer))
      (error "Object %s is not a buffer." buffer))
  (make-frame-visible frame)
  (select-frame frame)
  (let ((window (get-buffer-window buffer)))
    (select-window window)
    (if (not (pos-visible-in-window-p))
	(recenter))
    (set-mouse-position window
			(current-column)
			(+ (count-lines (window-start) (point))
			   (if (= (current-column) 0) 1 0)
			   -1))))

(global-set-key "\C-xb" 'warp-to-buffer)
(global-set-key "\C-x\C-f" 'recycle-frame-find-file)


-frank

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Hi,

I'm using the precompiled binaries for alpha-dec-osf3.2. When I run
gdb under XEmacs, I get the annoying ^M characters. However, I don't
get them when I run a shell (bash).

I tried adding comint-strip-ctrl-m to
comint-output-filter-functions. But it complained that mark wasn't
being set properly.

Help!
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Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> wrote:
: When ld says "rerun ranlib", it means it.

: ranlib the listed libraries and try again.

: (It's not finding the routines you want it to find because it doesn't
: trust the toc in those two libraries.)

I ranlib-ed those libraries as root (with the help of a more
be-knighted co-worker), re-ran ldconfig, then attempted the config and
build again.

Same errors.

Someone else had mailed me that I should try compiling with
"--with-xmu". That did it! I don't know why.

morgan

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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl@lycos.com> writes:

Karl> Thomas Bueschgens <sledge@hammer.oche.de> writes:
Thomas> After upgrading from Xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 (nice job!!) and
Thomas> from Gnus Version 5.2.23 to 5.2.25 (nice job as usual, Lars)
Thomas> Mailcrypt 3.4 stopped working "correctly".

Karl> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>> Hmm.  This sounds like an out-of-date Mailcrypt problem (which is not
>> Mailcrypt's fault).
>> Are you using a private copy of Mailcrypt 3.4 by any chance?

Karl> No, I concur with Thomas.  Having just made a large leap forward from
Karl> 5.0.x to 5.2.25 (and now .29, this morning), mailcrypt as delivered
Karl> with XEmacs 19.14 & 5.2.25 is unable to find the encrypted message.
Karl> Encryption works fine; decryption fails.

Karl> I have no private copy of mailcrypt at all at this point; what I have
Karl> is what came with 19.14, which identifies itself thus:

O.K.  But it still sounds like an out of date mailcrypt.  I just
checked my copy of the 19.14 distribution, and I see this:

$ cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp
$ ll mailcrypt/*.elc
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       12587 Jun 19 19:01 mailcrypt/mailcrypt.elc
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       14922 Jun 19 19:02 mailcrypt/mc-pgp.elc
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       21374 Jun 19 20:56 mailcrypt/mc-remail.elc
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       12598 Jun 19 19:02 mailcrypt/mc-toplev.elc

$ ll gnus/gnus.elc
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel      423503 Jun 22 07:38 gnus/gnus.elc

Oops.  This looks like a distribution bug.  Mailcrypt has dependencies
on macros defined by Gnus, so you should probably rebytecompile
mailcrypt if its .elcs are older than gnus'.

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In article <wjyraqzon14.fsf@cssun3.corp.mot.com>,
Brad Howes  <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> wrote:
>
>I've also compiled 19.14 on an AIX 4.1.4 Motorola PowerStack with no
>problems, again with gcc 2.7.2 and -O3 optimization. Its nice and zippy.
>

!!!!
I am running the precompiled binary on AIX 4.2 on a 133Mhz PowerPC.
Performance is dramatically worse than 19.13.
Mouse-sensitive regions particularly seem to give it a fit.
Try this experiment: do a hyper-apropos on "mouse" to fill a frame (80x60) with
mouseable regions. Bring up another frame and switch to the scratch buffer.
Now just try to type into the scratch buffer. Xemacs is so slow it can't keep
up with normal typing. Traversing plain text with an arrow key being 
auto-repeated saturates my CPU. Same test under 19.13 uses 10% CPU!

Hard to believe compiler optimization leads to a >10 times slowdown. Something
is broken.

But if you can disprove this I would be quite pleased. Let me know if you get
different results. Thanks.




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Hello,

  I have upgraded from 19.13 to 19.14. 

  Now each time I do M-x telnet I get the following errors after
  I press return.

  Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
  rlogin-carriage-filter("\n")
  run-hook-with-args(rlogin-carriage-filter "\n")
  comint-send-input()
  #<compiled-function (from "telnet.elc") nil "...(47)"
    [get-buffer-process nil p2 p1 proc telnet-remote-echoes
    process-mark comint-eol-on-send marker-position
    comint-send-input] 3 nil nil>() 
  call-interactively(telnet-send-input)


  Please help,

Igor

  

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From: Lars Hecking <lhecking@dublin.nmrc.ucc.ie>
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sbecuwe@uia.ac.be (Stefan.Becuwe) writes:


   Using xemacs 19.12, running `make install' produces a lot of .elc files
   in the style directory. The command is (according to the Makefile)

   xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
   ... all the files in the style directory ...

   Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc files?

I have the same problem (auctex and gnus). For a workaround, xemacs-19.13
does the job.

-- 
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I've been having a couple of problems with the filladapt that comes
with the XEmacs 19.14.  Previously I was using filladapt 2.05 with
XEmacs 19.13 and it always worked perfectly.

Using the XEmacs default settings plus 
    (require 'filladapt) 
    (setq-default filladapt-mode t):

1. Change Log mode is broken.  For instance, M-q while the point is on
   send_time_data in this line

    Thu Jun 27 14:00:21 1996  Chris Dean  <ctdean@jpl.nasa.gov>

          * imageodesy/mpputil.c: send_time_data and get_time_data are subsets
            of send/get_double_data.

gives

    Thu Jun 27 14:00:21 1996  Chris Dean  <ctdean@jpl.nasa.gov>
            imageodesy/mpputil.c: send_time_data and get_time_data are subsets
             of send/get_double_data.

2. When filling in C mode, fill adapt incorrectly guesses the fill-prefix:

     * I don't understand how the yaw works, so I'll abandon it and instead
     * use this "push broom" transform:

gives

     * I don't understand how the yaw works, so I'll abandon it and
       instead
     * use this "push broom" transform:


Regards,
Chris Dean


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Set the variable "gnus-select-method".

Documentation:
*Default method for selecting a newsgroup.
This variable should be a list, where the first element is how the
news is to be fetched, the second is the address.

For instance, if you want to get your news via NNTP from
"flab.flab.edu", you could say:

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "flab.flab.edu"))

If you want to use your local spool, say:

(setq gnus-select-method (list 'nnspool (system-name)))

If you use this variable, you must set `gnus-nntp-server' to nil.

There is a lot more to know about select methods and virtual servers -
see the manual for details.

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Subject: Re: Xemacs in reverse video (black background)


> I'd like to use Xemacs with a black background and with colors, but
> all of the color schemes seem tailored for a white background.  Has
> anyone gone to the effort of setting up faces for a black background?

I do not claim my setup is the best, but I like it.

Default resources:

!
!
! EMACS
!

Emacs.default.attributeBackground: Gray24
Emacs.default.attributeForeground: yellow
Emacs.modeline.attributeBackground: Gray68
Emacs*cursorColor:  White
Emacs.menubar.background:  Gray

Emacs.italic.attributeFont:     -b&h-lucida-medium-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont:       -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont:        -b&h-lucida-bold-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.attributeSectionHeader.attributeFont:     -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.attributeWriteProtected.attributeFont:    -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.attributeBrowserHeader.attributeFont:     -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.attributeModifiedText.attributeFont:      -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*font:     -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*XlwMenu.font:     -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*XmTextField.fontList:     -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*XmText.fontList:  -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*XmList.fontList:  -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-directive.attributeForeground:     gray80
Emacs.hm--html-help-face.attributeForeground:   white
Emacs.primary-selection.attributeForeground:    black
Emacs.font-lock-html-1.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-2.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-220-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-3.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-4.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-180-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-5.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-160-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.font-lock-html-6.attributeFont:   -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1


Some extra resources:

#!/bin/sh
xemacs  \
  -geometry 80x68+30+2 -fn 9X15 \
  -xrm "Emacs*cursorColor:	Green" \
  -xrm "Emacs.default.attributeBackground: Gray20" \
  -xrm "Emacs.default.attributeForeground: yellow" \
  -xrm "Emacs.modeline.attributeBackground: Gray68" \
  -xrm "Emacs.cursorColor:  White" \
  -xrm "Emacs.menubar.background:  Gray"  \
  -xrm "Emacs.font-lock-comment-face.attributeForeground:	bisque" \
  -xrm "Emacs.font-lock-function-name-face.attributeForeground:	gold" \
  -xrm "Emacs.font-lock-keyword-face.attributeForeground:	SlateGray1" \
  -xrm "Emacs.font-lock-doc-string-face.attributeForeground:	LightSalmon1" \
  -xrm "Emacs.isearch.attributeBackground:			SandyBrown" \
  -xrm "Emacs.isearch.attributeForeground:			VioletRed" \
  -xrm "Emacs.font-lock-string-face.attributeForeground:	LightSalmon2" \
  -xrm "Emacs.primary-selection.attributeBackground:		Gray40" & 


And my faces, etc:


(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (= emacs-major-version 19)
       (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p t)
  (setq-default bar-cursor 10)
  (setq-default debug-on-error nil)
  (setq-default debug-on-quit nil)
  (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit nil)
  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p nil)
  (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 2)
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default case-replace t)
  (setq-default zmacs-regions t)
  (setq-default truncate-lines nil)
  (setq-default mouse-yank-at-point nil)
  (set-default-toolbar-position 'top)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier top-toolbar-height '((global (nil . 0))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier bottom-toolbar-height '((global (nil . 0))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier left-toolbar-width '((global (nil . 0))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier right-toolbar-width '((global (nil . 0))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-width '((global (nil . 10))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-height '((global (nil . 15))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness '((global (nil . 0))))
    (require 'pending-del)
  (setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-colors nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-maximal-decoration t)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
  (require 'font-lock)
    (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (make-face 'font4)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font4 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-160-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'highlight)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'foreground) '((global (nil . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background) '((global (nil . "gray45") ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'secondary-selection)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray1") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (make-face 'font2)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font2 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-130-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster-superscript)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-superscript 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-superscript 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-superscript 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-130-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-superscript 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-odd-diff-face-C)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-C 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-C 'background) '((global (nil . "seagreen"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-C 'font) '((global (nil . "-*-Lucidatypewriter-Medium-R-*-*-*-140-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1qFpeach puff"))))
  (make-face 'zmacs-region)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background) '((global (nil . "gray40") ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'h6)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h6 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-110-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "honeydew3"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'underline) '((global ((tty)))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'wired)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'wired 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'wired 'background) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (make-face 'ediff-odd-diff-face-A)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-A 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-A 'background) '((global (nil . "seagreen"))))
  (make-face 'man-italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-even-diff-face-B)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-B 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gray70"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-B 'background) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (make-face 'font3)
  (make-face 'message-cited-text)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-cited-text 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-cited-text 'underline) '((global ((tty)))))
  (make-face 'font1)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font1 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'bold)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster-underline)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-underline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-underline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-underline 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (make-face 'primary-selection)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray40"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (make-face 'rot13)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'rot13 'display-table) '((global (nil . [nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil [78] [79] [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] nil nil nil nil nil nil [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115] [116] [117] [118] [119] [120] [121] [122] [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109] nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil !
 nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-string-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "LightSalmon2"))))
  (make-face 'hproperty:but-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:but-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "medium violet red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:but-face 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray20"))))
  (make-face 'diary-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'diary-face 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'diary-face 'font) '((global ((grayscale x) . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1") ((mono x) . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'diary-face 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'hproperty:flash-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:flash-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Gray20"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:flash-face 'background) '((global (nil . "medium violet red"))))
  (make-face 'mime-summary-face)
  (make-face 'blink)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'blink 'blinking) '((global (nil . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-odd-diff-face-Ancestor)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-Ancestor 'foreground) '((global (nil . "White"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-Ancestor 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray"))))
  (make-face 'webster-bold-italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold-italic 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold-italic 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-fine-diff-face-B)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-B 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-B 'background) '((global (nil . "blue4"))))
  (make-face 'w3-default-style)
  (make-face 'ediff-current-diff-face-Ancestor)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-Ancestor 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Navy"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-Ancestor 'background) '((global (nil . "Pink"))))
  (make-face 'gdb-arrow-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gdb-arrow-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gdb-arrow-face 'background) '((global (nil . "gray70") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gdb-arrow-face 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'right-margin)
  (make-face 'man-bold)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'font7)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font7 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-230-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'man-xref)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-xref 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-doc-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (make-face 'bold-italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-bold-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'message-headers)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-headers 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-headers 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'h5)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h5 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'info-node)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'info-node 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-bold-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'info-node 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'info-node 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-current-diff-face-B)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-B 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-B 'background) '((global (nil . "olive drab"))))
  (make-face 'font0)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font0 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-110-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'ediff-fine-diff-face-Ancestor)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-Ancestor 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-Ancestor 'background) '((global (nil . "Turquoise"))))
  (make-face 'h3)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h3 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h3 'font) '((global (nil . "-*-Lucidatypewriter-Medium-R-*-*-*-170-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'calendar-today-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'calendar-today-face 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (make-face 'left-margin)
  (make-face 'info-xref)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'info-xref 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'info-xref 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-keyword-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "#b0c0d0"))))
  (make-face 'w3-visited-node-style)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-visited-node-style 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gray85"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-visited-node-style 'background) '((global (nil . "gray40"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-visited-node-style 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-bold-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-visited-node-style 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-visited-node-style 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster-bold)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'h1)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h1 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h1 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-250-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'ediff-odd-diff-face-B)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-B 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-odd-diff-face-B 'background) '((global (nil . "seagreen"))))
  (make-face 'h2)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h2 'foreground) '((global (nil . "magenta"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h2 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-210-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'x-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'x-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'x-face 'background) '((global (nil . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'x-face 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'x-face 'underline) '((global ((tty)))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'x-face 'highlight) '((global ((tty)))))
  (make-face 'message-header-contents)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-header-contents 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-header-contents 'underline) '((global ((tty)))))
  (make-face 'ediff-even-diff-face-C)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-C 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-C 'background) '((global (nil . "seagreen"))))
  (make-face 'h4)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h4 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow2"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'h4 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-160-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'hm--html-help-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hm--html-help-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hm--html-help-face 'background) '((global (nil))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hm--html-help-face 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'isearch)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'background) '((global ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green") (nil . "SandyBrown"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-even-diff-face-Ancestor)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-Ancestor 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-Ancestor 'background) '((global (nil . "light grey"))))
  (make-face 'man-heading)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-heading 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'man-heading 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-current-diff-face-A)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-A 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-A 'background) '((global (nil . "olive drab"))))
  (make-face 'modeline)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray68"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [nothing]) ((tty) . [nothing]) ((stream) . [nothing]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'hproperty:highlight-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:highlight-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Gray20"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:highlight-face 'background) '((global (nil . "bisque2"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'hproperty:highlight-face 'underline) '((global (nil))))
  (make-face 'underline)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-current-diff-face-C)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-C 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-current-diff-face-C 'background) '((global (nil . "olive drab"))))
  (make-face 'webster-italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-italic 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-italic 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-function-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (make-face 'font5)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font5 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-190-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'message-highlighted-header-contents)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-highlighted-header-contents 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-highlighted-header-contents 'underline) '((global ((tty)))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'message-highlighted-header-contents 'highlight) '((global ((tty)))))
  (make-face 'default)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'foreground) '((global (nil . "bisque2"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray20"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'font) '((global (nil . "-*-Lucidatypewriter-Medium-R-*-*-*-140-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'ediff-fine-diff-face-C)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-C 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-C 'background) '((global (nil . "blue4"))))
  (make-face 'holiday-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'holiday-face 'foreground) '((global ((grayscale x) . [default background]) ((mono x) . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'holiday-face 'background) '((global ((grayscale x) . [default foreground]) ((mono x) . [default foreground]) ((color x) . "pink"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'holiday-face 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster-subscript)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-subscript 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-subscript 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-subscript 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-130-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-subscript 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-even-diff-face-A)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-A 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gray70"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-even-diff-face-A 'background) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (make-face 'font6)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font6 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-210-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (make-face 'font-lock-type-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'w3-node-style)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-node-style 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gray85"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-node-style 'background) '((global (nil . "gray40"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-node-style 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-node-style 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'ediff-fine-diff-face-A)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-A 'foreground) '((global (nil . "gold"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'ediff-fine-diff-face-A 'background) '((global (nil . "blue4"))))
  (make-face 'w3-graphic-face)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-graphic-face 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'w3-graphic-face 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucida-medium-i-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (make-face 'webster-small)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-small 'foreground) '((global (nil . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-small 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray29"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-small 'font) '((global (nil . "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-*-130-75-75-m-0-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'webster-small 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  ))

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From: ledelste@well.com (Larry Edelstein)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Xemacs 19.13 RegExp replacement problem
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:59:59 GMT
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I am using replace-regexp to replace certain strings in my document.
The problem I seem to have discovered is that the regexp in question
does not match consistently between replace-regexp and
isearch-forward-regexp.

Example:

my buffer has the following text:

fArg

for

fArg2


And I do a replace-regexp with this regexp: "f\([A-Z]\)" and this
replacement expression: "\1"

So, my search is looking for every instance of the lower case letter
"f" that is followed by any uppercase letter; further, the uppercase
letter is saved as the first matching group.

If I execute this command on the buffer above, I wind up with

Arg

or

Arg2

The problem here is that the "for" became "or" even though the letter
following the "f" is not uppercase.

HOWEVER, if I do an isearch-forward-regexp, the regexp matches only
"fArg" and "fArg2", which is correct.  Isn't that strange???

I find it hard to believe that replace-regexp uses a different regular
expression search engine than isearch-forward-regexp.  Am I misusing
regexp's or Xemacs 19.13 in some way?  Hep me!

Larry Edelstein
Director of Engineering
SpotMedia Communications



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From: nan2@pupil.eecs.lehigh.edu (N. Narenthiran (naren))
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>>>>> "heiko" == Heiko Muenkel <muenkel@daedalus.tnt.uni-hannover.de> writes:
    heiko> cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel) writes:
    >> 
    >> Info sez there is such a utility, but I fear I can't find it (though
    >> it's prolly in front of my nose).  Guidance appreciated.

Oh try "M-x unrmail".  If you are using xemacs, it is in the file
unrmail.el in the directory .../lisp/rmail.

have a nice day.
naren.
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homh@momentum.chem.queensu.ca () writes:

> In Xemacs 19.13, when one first loaded the news app., xemacs
> would ask for the nntp address (and probably saved it). Xemacs 19.14
> on the other hand doesn't queue for this but tried the local host as 
> the nntp address. I have tried to modify the nntp.el file without
> avail. Is there any way one can explictly set this address ?

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "your.nntp.server"))

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What a huge mode. I LIKE IT.

But as always I have something to say!!  Does any one have the dtd
files needed to make this thing Netscape and Explorer html friendly?

The last dtd I found was dated back to 1994. Since a lot of the html
spec dates after that I would like and update.

Yet AGAIN fantastic work on XEmacs Guys.

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>> On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:48:33 GMT, thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel
>> Thimm) said:
    >> XEmacs is way, way, way faster in a multi-window environment.

    AT> But it is very slow and BIG in any other occasion. Especially
    AT> using the -nw option makes the difference show up extremely.
    AT> I hope that one day the two Emacsen converge together again. I
    AT> think that for now personal differences influence this.

Indeed. I think XEmacs is too big and slow and continue using FSF
Emacs. But it is a pity that I have to miss some nice features from
XEmacs, like images (although I would hate it if they were enabled by
default in all packages such as news and mail, for usually all these
icons only clutter the screen and cost memory and speed) and that the
efforts on improving emacs cannot be combined.
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>> On 26 Jun 1996 15:46:26 -0500, Shane Holder
>> <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> said:

    SH> But the image stuff, and w3 is real cool, and hopefully I can
    SH> find out why I'm having performance problems.

I was quite dissapointed with the fact that w3 in Xemacs 19.14 doesn't
support tables, i.e. it is unusable for me.

Is a release of w3 foreseen that is up-to-date with the current HTML
version?

This is a pity, since w3 is (for me) the only reason why I should have
images in emacs. For other things (like mail, GNUS etc.) it only makes
the program bigger and slower.
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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: ange-ftp and jka-compr
Date: 28 Jun 1996 13:20:02 -0700
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I'm unable to retrieve *.tar.gz using ange-ftp and have jka-compr work on
it. Locally, jka-compr works fine. However, when I try via ftp, tar-mode
attempts to work on the buffer before is is unzipped. I've mucked with the
order of loading jka-compr and ange-ftp without success. Any hints?

System: XEmacs 19.14 Solaris 2.4

TIA.

-- 
Brad Howes                          Motorola E-Mail ID: XBH001
EMT Development                     SMTP E-Mail: bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com
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Subject: Re: problems with vc-next-action in VC-DIRED mode
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sailesh@VNET.IBM.COM writes:

> In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep  1 1995 on qbic1-t.almaden.ibm.com (aix-v3) [formerly Lucid Emacs]
> 
> If I mark all files I want to register in VC-DIRED mode I get the
> following message:
> 
> Symbol's function definition is void: dired-get-marked-files

The problem is a mismatch between vc.el and dired.el which vc.el requires.
I first ran into this bug in XEmacs 19.13 and I just ran into it again with
19.14.  Patches for both are included below.  Note: vc.el is in
lib/xemacs-19.1?/lisp/packages.  Hopefully, someone will fix this before
the next version of XEmacs comes out.

    -Ed


For 19.13:
===========================================================================
*** /tmp/geta10940	Wed Nov  8 18:51:32 1995
--- vc.el	Wed Nov  8 18:49:21 1995
***************
*** 549,555 ****
    ;; We've accepted a log comment, now do a vc-next-action using it on all
    ;; marked files.
    (set-buffer vc-parent-buffer)
!   (dired-map-over-marks
     (save-window-excursion
       (let ((file (dired-get-filename)))
         (message "Processing %s..." file)
--- 549,555 ----
    ;; We've accepted a log comment, now do a vc-next-action using it on all
    ;; marked files.
    (set-buffer vc-parent-buffer)
!   (dired-mark-map
     (save-window-excursion
       (let ((file (dired-get-filename)))
         (message "Processing %s..." file)
***************
*** 608,614 ****
    (interactive "P")
    (catch 'nogo
      (if vc-dired-mode
! 	(let ((files (dired-get-marked-files)))
  	  (if (= (length files) 1)
  	      (find-file-other-window (car files))
  	    (vc-start-entry nil nil nil
--- 608,614 ----
    (interactive "P")
    (catch 'nogo
      (if vc-dired-mode
! 	(let ((files (dired-mark-get-files)))
  	  (if (= (length files) 1)
  	      (find-file-other-window (car files))
  	    (vc-start-entry nil nil nil


For 19.14:
===========================================================================
*** vc.el.orig	Sun Apr 28 14:11:16 1996
--- vc.el	Fri Jun 28 14:34:44 1996
***************
*** 74,80 ****
  
  (require 'vc-hooks)
  (require 'ring)
! (eval-when-compile (require 'dired))    ; for dired-map-over-marks macro
  
  (if (not (assoc 'vc-parent-buffer minor-mode-alist))
      (setq minor-mode-alist
--- 74,80 ----
  
  (require 'vc-hooks)
  (require 'ring)
! (eval-when-compile (require 'dired))    ; for dired-mark-map macro
  
  (if (not (assoc 'vc-parent-buffer minor-mode-alist))
      (setq minor-mode-alist
***************
*** 560,566 ****
    ;; We've accepted a log comment, now do a vc-next-action using it on all
    ;; marked files.
    (set-buffer vc-parent-buffer)
!   (dired-map-over-marks
     (save-window-excursion
       (let ((file (dired-get-filename)))
         (message "Processing %s..." file)
--- 560,566 ----
    ;; We've accepted a log comment, now do a vc-next-action using it on all
    ;; marked files.
    (set-buffer vc-parent-buffer)
!   (dired-mark-map
     (save-window-excursion
       (let ((file (dired-get-filename)))
         (message "Processing %s..." file)
***************
*** 619,625 ****
    (interactive "P")
    (catch 'nogo
      (if vc-dired-mode
! 	(let ((files (dired-get-marked-files)))
  	  (if (= (length files) 1)
  	      (find-file-other-window (car files))
  	    (vc-start-entry nil nil nil
--- 619,625 ----
    (interactive "P")
    (catch 'nogo
      (if vc-dired-mode
! 	(let ((files (dired-mark-get-files)))
  	  (if (= (length files) 1)
  	      (find-file-other-window (car files))
  	    (vc-start-entry nil nil nil

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
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Sean Kellner <skellner@moe1.occ.uc.edu> writes:

>   OK, I saw that one in the docs. How about grabbing mail from
> multiple places? Gnus is going great getting mail from my spool file
> and sorting it and presenting it as newsgroups (BTW, can I rename them
> to not be called 'nnml:Stuff' or 'nnml+private:Stuff' and instead be
> called 'Stuff'??). 

No.  But you don't have to display them with the prefix; see
`gnus-group-line-format'. 

> But I want to get my mail from a POP server on campus as well.

This is on the Red Gnus todo list.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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From: Dale Atems <atems@physics.wayne.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM and XEmacs 19.14
Date: 28 Jun 1996 18:52:39 -0400
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parky@seas.gwu.edu (Youngser Park) writes:

>  Hi!
>  Has anyone have a problem with using VM with XEmacs 19.14? I'm
> using a pre-compiled version for IRIX5.3 and didn't have any problem
> with XEmacs 19.13. The problem is that whenever I invoke VM by
> selecting "mail" button, it says: "Failed getting new mail from
> /usr/mail/parky" and "movemail exited with code 1". Again I didn't
> have this kind of error with 19.13. And nothing changed in our
> machine nor in my emacs setup (.emacs).

But the movemail executable certainly has! It needs to be either
setuid root or setgid mail and owned by root.mail. This works under
IRIX 5.3:

  /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/mips-sgi-irix5.3:
...
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mail       13032 Jun 25 17:37 movemail
...

At least, that's my guess as to your problem.

-- 
Dale E. Atems			Department of Physics and Astronomy
atems@physics.wayne.edu		Wayne State University, Detroit, MI

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Okay, I've done that, and it works (thanks), but now I notice that
gnus-summary-catchup-and-goto-next-group doesn't seem to work, whether I use
button3 or the pull-down menu. It catches up all the articles, but it
doesn't move to the next group. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

> > Also, I noticed the Catchup-and-Exit button on the tool bar. That's cool,
> > but I'd prefer that it was Catchup-and-Goto-Next-Group. How can I redefine
> > it?
> The summary mode toolbar is defined by the `gnus-summary-toolbar'
> variable.  You could change that variable to call whatever function
> you want when you press a button.

Is there any documentation about the toolbar? All I have found is something
in the FAQ about how to turn it off (which I figured out on my own).

> > PS. This came up when I tried to post this: How do I change the from line? I
> > have set gnus-user-from-line to "Gail Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>", but
> > XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it. Instead it uses "Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall>"
> > and then complains that it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my
> > Message-ID is screwy. How can I change that?
> Set `user-mail-address' to "gail.gurman@sybase.com" or
> `mail-host-address' to "sybase.com".

Okay, I've done this and it seems to work just fine!

Thanks for your help. Even if I am still a little frustrated, I do
appreciate your taking the time to help me solve my problems.


-- 
Gail Gurman                       | email: Gail.Gurman@Sybase.com
Sybase MPP Pubs                   | phone: (510) 922-0194
-- 
Gail Gurman                       | email: Gail.Gurman@Sybase.com
Sybase MPP Pubs                   | phone: (510) 922-0194

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From: Toby Ferguson <thf@hpetl3.cup.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [GNUS] Setting NNTP address in 19.14
Date: 28 Jun 1996 15:28:26 -0700
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homh@momentum.chem.queensu.ca () writes:

this is what I do (got the idea from the GNUS info pages):

Put this in your .emacs and replace cupnews0 with the name of your
news server

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "cupnews0"))

Toby
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In Xemacs 19.13, when one first loaded the news app., xemacs
> would ask for the nntp address (and probably saved it). Xemacs 19.14
> on the other hand doesn't queue for this but tried the local host as 
> the nntp address. I have tried to modify the nntp.el file without
> avail. Is there any way one can explictly set this address ?
> 
> Any pointer posted either here or email would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Minhhuy Ho

-- 
thf@cup.hp.com

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From: strahorn@bambi.corp.sun.com (Chris Strahorn)
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Any suggestions on how to set up xemacs so that when I edit sybperl file, perl-mode is automatically selected?

Goes to perl mode for perl scripts just great.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Strahorn
strahorn@bambi.corp.sun.com




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From: Dale Atems <atems@physics.wayne.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: d19.14, efs, & dired font-locking
Date: 28 Jun 1996 19:47:55 -0400
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boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> 
> font-locking does not work anymore --- what am i missing?

You probably need to move dired-xemacs-highlight.elc to some directory
in your load path (I assume since you're running dired 7.7 that the
dired stuff from XEmacs-19.14 is somewhere xemacs can't find it). Then
do (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight) somewhere in your startup
process, or from dired-load-hook.

-- 
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atems@physics.wayne.edu		Wayne State University, Detroit, MI

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
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Subject: Re: Various Gnus Questions
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Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

> Okay, I've done that, and it works (thanks), but now I notice that
> gnus-summary-catchup-and-goto-next-group doesn't seem to work, whether I use
> button3 or the pull-down menu. It catches up all the articles, but it
> doesn't move to the next group. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

That function requires confirmation that you really want to go to the
next group.  Try

(setq gnus-auto-select-next 'slightly-quietly)

to bypass that prompt.

> Is there any documentation about the toolbar? All I have found is something
> in the FAQ about how to turn it off (which I figured out on my own).

The toolbar is documented in the XEmacs manual, I think.  Basically,
it's a list of vectors:

(defvar gnus-summary-toolbar 
  '(
    [gnus-summary-prev-unread 
     gnus-summary-prev-unread-article t "Prev unread article"]
    [gnus-summary-next-unread 
     gnus-summary-next-unread-article t "Next unread article"]
  ...
    ))

The first element in each vector is the image and the second is the
function to be called when the button is pushed.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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From: Toby Ferguson <thf@hpetl3.cup.hp.com>
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Subject: W3 doesn't give argument to viewer
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When I use w3 to fetch a link from our network install site it fails
to pass the arguments correctly to the program I invoke.

I get a header thus in the file that's fetched:

application/ninstall

and my .mailcap reads:

application/ninstall; xterm -e /usr/local/bin/ninstall-wrap.sh -f %s

However ninstall-wrap.sh gets run with NO -f %s argument (where %s is
the name of the temp file written).

Why?  It used to work with 19.13.  Is there some emacs w3 variable I
need to set here?

(insert (w3-version))
WWW 2.3.67, URL 1.13, MM 1.96
(insert (emacs-version))
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

Toby
-- 
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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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Subject: Re: Options -> Font/Size/Weight  (doesn't seem to save)
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> > If I change the Font/Size/Weight under Options then do a Save options,
> > they don't seem to save.  I changed it manually, but is this the
> > desired behavior?
> I have the same problem on Xemacs compiled for Solaris 2.5.  Even if I
> change the font by hand, I keep getting the same error:
> (1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version
>  of "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

I'm  also running Solaris 2.5 and am having both problems.  If anyone
has a fix for this it would be most appreciated.  




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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: 19.14, hpux 10.10: crashes, sounds won't link or else exit; gnuclient broken
Date: 28 Jun 1996 18:23:14 -0700
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tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller) writes:

> When I do this the link of temacs fails with
> 
> /usr/ccs/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
>    shl_findsym (code)
>    shl_load (code)
>    shl_unload (code)
>
> This happens with both gcc and cc, although gcc first prints

     I can't help you with the other problems, but you can successfully
link with HP's cc(1) if you add "-ldld" to the command line.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

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From: brynn@sashimi.wwa.com (Brynn D. Rogers)
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Subject: in 19.14 ps-print-buffer-with-faces  prints icky reverse video
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I tried printing my latest C code out with ps-print-buffer-with-faces, and
it printed all the keywords and stuff in a reverse video like font.
I picked the syntax-highlight option fonts (not colors) and tried again,
getting pretty much the same thing.

I love ps-print-buffer-with-faces, but trying to print the colors is a little
extreme, especially on a plain old HP 4 (4M?) with postscript.

Brynn    brynn@wwa.com
         http://sashimi.wwa.com/~brynn  to see the cutest triplets (mine!)


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From: cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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In article <w4bui5s3eh.fsf@loiosh.kei.com> Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

> CM> == Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au>
> 
>  CM> Subject says it; any ideas appreciated.  Thanks.

Ok, make that: subject says almost nothing...

> Well, my magic-super-duper Debugging Crystal Ball is a bit hazy,
> since you didn't bother to tell us what version of XEmacs, whether
> it was one of the precompiled binaries or built at your site, the OS
> version you're running, or in fact anything whatsoever about your
> situation.

*blush* You are absolutely correct; I humbly accept your reproof.

> That said, the odds are that you're on SunOS 4.1.x, you got the
> precompiled binaries, and your site is set up to use DNS instead of
> NIS or /etc/hosts for host name lookups.

Actually, I'm running Solaris 2.5, but I did get the precompiled
binaries for Xemacs 19.14, and our site is indeed set up to use DNS.

> The fix is to compile XEmacs yourself, because the prebuilt binaries
> are built on a "stock" SunOS which is statically linked with a libc
> containing the NIS/hosts behavior rather than one containing DNS
> gethostby* code.

Is the same true of the Solaris binaries?  If so, will do as you
suggest.

Many thanks for the helpful reply...

-chris-

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Subject: Re: Fatal error (11)
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In article <m27mstx75q.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Glenn> M-x w3-fetch
> Glenn> http://www.lucent.com
> It's a poorly written page with dozens of errors in it, but it doesn't
> cause a crash on Linux 2.0.

Has anyone experienced crashes with w3-debug-html set to t? I had two
today. http://www-dsed.llnl.gov/documents/tests/igs.html

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Subject: Re: TTY font-lock: solution?
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In article <kigwx0texmr.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> 	(if (member (console-tty-terminal-type) '("linux" "rxvt"))
> 	    (set-device-class (selected-device) 'color)

How about kermit? How about other terminal emulators that support color?
Does xemacs guess wrongly? I think that it checks the AX bool termcap, so
maybe just set it in your TERMCAP?

> 	  ;; mono tty devices
> 	  (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-comment-face)

Isn't (font-lock-use-default-fonts) enough? Here's what I get after it:

Face                           Blinking Dim Highlight Reverse Underline
font-lock-comment-face         no       no  yes       no      no       
font-lock-doc-string-face      no       no  yes       no      no       
font-lock-function-name-face   no       no  yes       no      yes      
font-lock-keyword-face         no       no  yes       no      no       
font-lock-preprocessor-face    no       no  yes       no      no       
font-lock-reference-face       no       no  no        no      no       
font-lock-string-face          no       no  yes       no      no       
font-lock-type-face            no       no  no        no      yes      
font-lock-variable-name-face   no       no  no        no      no       

If you map underline to something meaningful (few ttys support real
underline), you'll be set pretty well.

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Hi all,

I finally got round to install my beloved (from uni days)
xemacs onto my linux box.

A few quick questions - whats the deal with the elf binary
- thought I made my last kernel with support for this
or do i need to do more.

Also,  and I know this must have come up before, how can
I get my backspace key to work - xemacs seems to think that
back space is the same as DEL and only the old ^H does the job.

Finally - whats the word with linux and java development tools
are they stable enough,  are there some good source archives
(and where) and any comments generally etc. etc.

Thanks in advance.


-------------------------------------------------------
This is not original but - but there is no such thing as gravity
- its just that the whole world sucks (;

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In article <DtooGL.8KB@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

> w3-sysdp and url-sysdp
Yes, these are needed in .el. Notice that they have not been bytecompiled.
However, I'd advise against deleting .el, unless you're decided not to
touch elisp. You could gzip them, should cut the size in two. You could
also gzip the .elc, with some penalty in loading time:

"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/
tinyezip (1.18)       18-Sep-1995
     Jari Aalto, <jari.aalto@ntc.nokia.com>
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keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:
> It may not be related but the 19.14 distribution has serious
> performance problems.  If I run "xemacs -q -no-site-file", cursor
> movement is very snappy.  If I then eval (display-column-mode) the
> cursor movement slows down noticably although it isn't yet
> unusable.  If I load the rest of my .emacs, it becomes unusable.
> In 19.13 there was no performance problem.  I've checked the lisp
> directory and the macros have been byte-compiled.
> 
> To give you an idea of the problem, when I hold down the right
> arrow-key for five seconds and then release it, the cursor spends
> another 4 seconds catching up and the xemacs cpu consumption jumps
> to 50% of a HP712.  This becomes worse when I have additional
> frames and windows.

I noticed these kinds of performance problems as well - Solaris 2.3
and 2.5.  I think the problems were related to font-lock.  Maximal
decoration is now the default.  Try setting
font-lock-use-maximal-decoration to 0 and see if that helps.

--vin

-- 
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causes Galileo's matchbook to be thrown
at Delilah who's sitting worthlessly alone,
but the tears on her cheeks are from laughter
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In article <Dtq4Gt.AuL@world.std.com>,
Jonathan Edwards <edwards@world.std.com> wrote:

>Hard to believe compiler optimization leads to a >10 times slowdown. Something
>is broken.
>
>But if you can disprove this I would be quite pleased.

I am pleased :-)

Got off my duff and built from source, using IBM's compiler (reputedly smokes
gcc) with full-bear optimization and tuned for my processor model. The
test that used 10% CPU on 19.13 and 100% on the precompiled 19.14 is now
15%. Most importantly, it is fast enough to no longer be annoying.

The conclusion seems to be that some of the precompiled binaries are not so 
hot.




-- 
Jonathan Edwards				edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020
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This precompiled binary was dramatically slower than the one for 19.13, 
to the point of great annoyance. Couldn't keep up with typing in some cases.
Simple cursor movement could saturate the CPU, whereas it used 10% in 19.13.

After moaning on this group for a few days, I built from source using 
full-bear optimization. This solved the problem for practical purposes. Still
seeing 50% increase in CPU time for cursor movement, but it is below the
perceptual threshold.

Since I have about the fastest powerpc there is, I think no one is going to
be happy with this precompiled binary. May I suggest it be taken out and shot?

-- 
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Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
>>>>>> werner@asta.mc.ab.com (tim werner) said:

tw> I just tried turning off directory tracking, and this doesn't really
tw> help.  The main problem with shell when it loses track of the
tw> directory is that it breaks filename completion.  Shell.el is still
tw> trying to do filename completion, instead of letting tcsh do it.

I definitely hear you.  I use cdpaths constantly.

> I advise you to consider the fabulous shell*.el files from Simon
> Marshall.  Among them is a file that tells the shell to spit out some
> magic string that Emacs detects and extracts the current directory from
> it.  Another is a file that lets you do completion even for command line
> arguments:  You enter
>     find -n TAB
> and shell completes
>     find -name
> How's that?

Sounds like tcsh.  Try:

	complete find 'C/-*/(-name -exec -print -mode)/'

(adding more switches, of course).

tcsh is quite good at being tcsh.  emacs does not need to try to be tcsh
too.  :)

-- 
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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>> "simon" == simon goland <sg@orby.mda.ca> writes:
> simon> Hi,
> simon> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
> simon> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
> simon> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ.
> It contains built-in validation (never, never use an HTML editor that
> doesn't validate).  It recognizes HTML 3.2 (Wilbur), it has wonderful
> font-locking colors:
> 	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/wingpsgml-mode.gif

Thanks for showing the picture, but where can we get the package?

-- 
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: error in startup on xemacs14
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bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta) writes:

> 
> Just installed prebuilt xemacs14 and I get the following error upon
> startup:
> 
>   Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
> 
> 
> I renamed my .emacs so I think this is coming from some startup file
> somewhere in the distribution. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Here is my setup:
> 
>   xemacs14: sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks
>             pre-built binaries
>         OS: Sun running solaris2.5
>  directory: /opt/xemacs/[lib, bin, man]

I will make new binaries available with a fix for this problem.  In
the meantime, make sure your PATH does not include leading, trailing,
or consecutive ':' characters.

-- 
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Russ Allbery writes:
 > tcsh is quite good at being tcsh.  emacs does not need to try to be
 > tcsh too.  :)

   please explain your point --- emacs succeded in being everything
   else, why emacs should leave tcsh alone?

ty
			gb

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Why the compose key does not work unde Xemacs?
Date: 29 Jun 1996 03:15:49 -0700
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Francois Felix Ingrand <felix@laas.fr> writes:

> 
> 
> It works under GNU Emacs, and it is useful when you want (for example) to
> search a strig containing iso-latin caractere (iso-latin mode does not expand
> in the search minibuffer.)
> 
> When I hit compose, I get a "multi_key not defined" message.

Try adding to .emacs :
(load "x-compose")

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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net>
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Subject: 19.14 Linux  no toolbars nor scrollbar => abend
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linux 2.0
a.out
XFree 3.1.2e
S3 video chip

 [ XEmacs already installed and working OK ]

$ ./configure --with-toolbars=no --with-scrollbars=no
$ make
$ src/xemacs -q

XEmacs abends with a msg :
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
*** Error in XEmacs initialization
(void-variable scrollbar-pointer-glyph)
*** Backtrace
  really-early-error-handler((void-variable scrollbar-pointer-glyph))
  # bind (device)
  x-init-pointer-shape(#<x-device on "unix:0.0" 0x68b>)
  # bind (device)
  x-init-device-faces(#<x-device on "unix:0.0" 0x68b>)
  # bind (device)
  init-device-faces(#<x-device on "unix:0.0" 0x68b>)
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  make-device(x nil)
  # bind (display)
  make-x-device(nil)
  init-x-win()
  # bind (debugger debug-on-error command-line-args-left)
  command-line()
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  normal-top-level()
  # (condition-case ... . error)
  # (catch top-level ...)
*** Killing XEmacs
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 

-- 
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Subject: Re: SpreadSheet?
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:53:48 +0200
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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
 =

> M-x archie dismal RET.

what do i need to do to get archie running?

if i type M-x ar TAB i get [No match]

i'm using the standard 19.14

-- bis sp=E4ter...
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From: Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 *SLOW* startup under linux 2.0.0
Date: 28 Jun 1996 21:21:39 -0400
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>>>>> Regarding 19.14 *SLOW* startup under linux 2.0.0; Peter
>>>>> Memishian - SunSoft <meem@suneast.east.sun.com> adds:

    Peter> first of all, 19.14 seems great!

    Peter> however, i have had one problem: the startup under linux is
    Peter> intolerably slow..! compared with 19.13, the startup time
    Peter> seems to take about twice as long... most of this time is
    Peter> spent waiting for the initial xemacs frame to appear on my
    Peter> screen.  Even when linux has the entire executable image
    Peter> cached in memory, 19.14 still can take ~20 seconds to
    Peter> display initially on a pentium-120 with 64 megs of ram!
    Peter> when i fire up 19.13 right beside it, it flies right
    Peter> along. what's the scoop?

Have you tried recompiling?  I compiled with shared motif support and
on a 486-160 32MB it starts up in around 8 seconds usually.  Except
for the slow cursor movement, it doesn't seem too slow here, however
others have reported slowdowns.  Are you using Linux?  I am running
kernel 2.0.0 with the libc 5.3.12 which has a better malloc than older
libraries.  Would that make any difference?

    Peter> i'm using the stock precompiled linux binaries for systems
    Peter> with shared motif support.
    Peter> has anyone else had any similar problems?

    Peter> thanks!  -- meem

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs.sources
Subject: advice to make string/regexp-replace case-sensitive on MiXed-case
Date: 29 Jun 1996 05:33:07 -0600
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In article <4r1e30$79h@its.hooked.net> ledelste@well.com (Larry Edelstein) writes:

[isearch-forward-regexp with a MiXed case regexp only finds exact-case
occurrences, but query-replace-regexp finds and replaces any case
occurrences.]

When case-fold-search is t (as it is by default), search is
case-insensitive, _even if a mixed-case word is searched for_. Put the
cursor after this sexp (search-forward "aA") and press {C-x C-e} to try it;
you should find even this wrong-cased word: "Aa". Now, isearch is smart: as
soon as you type an uppercase letter, it sets case-fold-search to nil.
(Notice that the modeline indicator changes from "Isearch" to "ISeARch" to
remind you of that.)

Unfortunately query-replace-regexp is not so smart. It just uses the value
of case-fold-search, whatever that is. Now, the emacs developers have
thought somewhat about it, because in the function perform-replace in
replace.el we find:
  (let ((nocasify (not (and case-fold-search case-replace
			    (string-equal from-string   
					  (downcase from-string)))))
this last test is what we need             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
However, this value "nocasify" is only used to suppress case change (see
the documentation of case-replace), and does not affect case search. The
following piece of advice fixes this. Perhaps the [x]emacs maintainers
should incorporate it in the standard distribution?

(setq ad-activate-on-definition t       ; advice not-yet-defined functions
      ad-start-advice-on-load t         ; enable advice
)
(require 'advice)
(require 'backquote)

;; make search/replace of MiXed case strings always case-sensitive.
;; vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca Jun 29, 1996, after a gripe by ledelste@well.com
(mapcar (function
         (lambda (f)
           (eval
            `(defadvice ,f (around case-fold-search activate)
               "If the source string/regexp contains upcase letters, 
reset case-fold-search."
               (let ((case-fold-search
                      (and case-fold-search
                           (string= (ad-get-arg 0)
                                    (downcase (ad-get-arg 0))))))
                     ad-do-it)))))
        '(count-matches delete-matching-lines delete-non-matching-lines
                        list-matching-lines perform-replace))

(or you could just do this on perform-replace).

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From: Andrew Veliath <veliaa@rpi.edu>
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Subject: What is the proper way to change From: in Gnus 5.2 under 19.14?
Date: 28 Jun 1996 21:55:12 -0400
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XEmacs and the new packages rock!

Is user-mail-address the one to change my usenet post's From: address
in Gnus 5.2 *in my .emacs*?  I am trying it now.  If you reply, make
sure my address is the one below and not to Pluto or any other planet.

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From: Jan Rychter <jwr@icm.edu.pl>
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I am having a hard time finding out how to change the default MIME
charset in tm on XEmacs 19.14. It assumes I use iso8859-1, while what
most of Eastern Europe really uses is iso8859-2.

Any ideas ?

thanks,
Jan
___________
Jan Rychter
jwr@icm.edu.pl

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From: Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu>
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Subject: query-replace accross several files marked in dired
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I can't find the package dired-aux.el anywhere... it allowed me under
GNU Emacs to do a query-replace accross several files at once... going
through all the files i marked in the dired listing.

does anyone know where it is (i checked
ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/)? 
or has anyone a replacement for it?

thank you.

PS: this is a re-post... i could not see the original post...

-- 
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I've tried to compile xemacs 19.14 on a RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 machine
with gcc 2.7.2, make 3.74 and without gnu-ld and I get the
following:

---------------------------------------------------------------
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
cd lwlib; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd dynodump; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
cd src; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/src'
cd ../lwlib; make -w -- MAKE=make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
gcc -g -O      -L/usr/X11R5/lib    	    -B/bin/ -Wl,-bnso,-bnodelcsect,-bI:/lib/syscalls.exp,-bI:/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/src/m/ibmrs6000.inp,-bI:/usr/lpp/X11/bin/smt.exp   	  -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o 	callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o 	cmds.o console.o console-stream.o 	data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o 	doprnt.o dynarr.o 	editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o 	event-stream
.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o 	faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o 	frame.o 	general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o  	hash.o 	indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o 	keymap.o 	lread.o lstream.o 	macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o   	    	objects.o opaque.o 	print.o process.o profile.o pure.o 	rangetab.o realpath.o  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o 	scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o 	strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o
 sysdep.o 	toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  	undo.o unexaix.o  	console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o    	window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o      hftctl.o  -llw -lXm -lXpm  -ljpeg     -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX
11       	  -lrts -lIM -liconv  -lcurses      	-ldbm  -ldb      -lm    	 
0706-317 ERROR: Unresolved or undefined symbols detected:
		 Symbols in error (followed by references) are
		 dumped to the load map.
		 The -bloadmap:<filename> option will create a load map.
_XmStrings
.XmStringCreateLocalized
.XmFontListEntryGetFont
.XmFontListNextEntry
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp_mnt/users/ifmsun3/soft/AIX/cesar/software/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Many thanks in advance

aixsoft
Hamburg, Germany

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In article <31CEBED4.500F9F30@healthcare.com>,
Bryan Oakley  <oakley@healthcare.com> wrote:
|I noticed this comment in 19.14's tcl-mode:
|
|;; Change log:
|;; tcl.el,v
|;; Revision 1.50  1996/03/23  05:14:50  tromey
|;; (tcl-using-emacs-19): Work with XEmacs 20.0.  From Ben Wing.
|                                          ^^^^
|
|So I guess we can expect XEmacs 20.0 to be released any day now?
|
|:-)

Any year now :)
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more painful than the risk it took to blossom." -- Anais Nin

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In article <esq20j5drgb.fsf@nortel.ca>, Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> wrote:
|I seem to have lost the ability to use gnuserv.
|
|here is my entry in my .emacs.
|
|;; *******************************************************************
|;;                               SERVER
|;; *******************************************************************
|;; Crank up the server
|(require 'gnuserv)
|(server-start)

This is incorrect.

Use (gnuserv-start) not (server-start).

ben
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In article <9606250802.AA28632@hp735.stru.polimi.it>,
giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> wrote:
|after installing 19.14, if i type at a shell prompt, "man gnuserv",
|the nroff output is filtered through the program pointed to by $PAGER,
|if i type "man gnuclient" it is not filtered, and scrolls to end in a
|blink
|
|the difference is that gnuclient.1 contains only the line
|
|.so man1/gnuserv.1
|
|it may be a bug with hp-ux as well (this is my suspect) but it seems
|to me that with 19.13 distribution i had all man pages working right

I think that it "worked" in 19.13 in that there was no manpage for
gnuclient at all.

ben
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-- 
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From: Gennady Briskin <briskin@mail.desy.de>
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Hi, 
 I just got xemacs-19.14 and it looks great. But I am missing
AuC-TeX package. 

 Can somebody tell me where I can get byte-compiled files for AuC-TeX
 I just want to put them into a lisp/packages directory and be done.
 
 Am I dreaming or is my request reasanable.

 cheers,
   gena.

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Wouldn't FORTRAN programmers feel more at home if we make a new mode
that produces 1 line per page with little gylphs to represent the
holes in the punch cards?

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Sorry for the "empty" previous message -- news poster was acting up.

In XEmacs-19.14, any dired buffer will display color if it is called afresh AFTER loading the library  dired-xemacs-highlight   .

  David

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hi folks,

i haven't been able to figure out how to start the emacsserver so i
can use emacsclient.  previously i just had the line (server-start) in
my .emacs but now i just get an error.  i've seen discussion of the
gnuclient and gnuserver as well.  are these the same idea?  is there
some advantage to them over emacsserver etc?

thanks,

- -pjf

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From: elam@cisun2000.unil.ch (Erwin LAM)
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Subject: Missing file 'xpm.h'.
Date: 29 Jun 1996 21:48:09 +0200
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Hello, 

I just tried to compile Xemacs V19.14 with the following commands

    ./configure mips-sgi-irix5.3
    make

and this gave me the following error message.

   <lots of lines snipped> 

cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.        -I/users/elam/Workroom/xemacs-19.14/src                                   -I/users/elam/Workroom/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  events.c
In file included from events.c:32:
console-x.h:55: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [events.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/users/elam/Workroom/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2


Strange, I do have libXpm.so in /usr/lib/X11 and the 'configure' script 
sets HAVE_XPM, but the file xpm.h is nowhere on the system.

Any suggestions?

Kind regards,
Erwin J. W. Lam

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From: physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev)
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Subject: Re: adding new font-lock-face
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Gennady Briskin (briskin@mail.desy.de) wrote:
: Hi,
:  Is it possible to add a new font-lock-face in .emacs

:  Specifically I need to add few extra keywords in fortran-mode
:  But I don't want to modify fortran.el file.

It seems that you have to setq the font-lock-keywords.

But the docs are missing (yes I RTFM :) there are only
some comments in font-lock.el

Anyone dare to explain it for mere mortals ?

E.g.

("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\|newcommand\\){\\([a-zA-Z0-9\\*]+\\)}"
     2 font-lock-function-name-face)
    ^^^
what does "2" means here ?
(this is from font-lock.el)

The font-lock fontifies much less the hilit19+auctex under emacs;
I would like to add more but I'am not an elisp expert.

Cheers,
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Stefan.Becuwe (sbecuwe@uia.ac.be) wrote:
: Using xemacs 19.12, running `make install' produces a lot of .elc files
: in the style directory. The command is (according to the Makefile)

: xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
                  ^
Insert here -l flag

: ... all the files in the style directory ...

: Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc files?

and it will work :)



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From: Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
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Subject: ISO Accents for XEmacs 19.14
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I've just ported iso-acc.el from GNU Emacs 19.31 to XEmacs 19.14

Unfortunately, it won't work on xemacs 19.13, but I've tested it on
GNU Emacs 19.30 and 19.29, and it worked.

Here you are the source code, and the diffs from GNU Emacs 19.31's
provided source:

;;; iso-acc.el --- minor mode providing electric accent keys

;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Adapted for XEmacs 19.14 by Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode in which
;; typewriter "dead keys" are emulated.  The purpose of this emulation
;; is to provide a simple means for inserting accented characters
;; according to the ISO-8859-1 character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characters are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;   ,  (cedilla)   -> cedilla under the character (except on default mode).
;;                  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available, default mode)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; add a language to `iso-languages' which specifies the accent characters
;; that you want, then select the language with `iso-accents-customize'.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14
(if (fboundp 'read-event) ()
  (defun read-event () (event-key (next-command-event))))

; needed to work on GNU Emacs (had to use this function on XEmacs)
(if (fboundp 'character-to-event) ()
  (defun character-to-event (ch &optional event console meta) ch))

; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.30
(if (fboundp 'this-single-command-keys) ()
  (if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
      (defun this-single-command-keys ()
        (setq this-command (not (this-command-keys)))
        (this-command-keys))
    (defun this-single-command-keys () (this-command-keys))))

(defvar iso-languages
  '(("portuguese"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352)
	 (?o . ?\364) )
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("irish"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)))
    
    ("french"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("latin-2"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?C . ?\306) (?D . ?\320) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315)
	 (?L . ?\305) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\323) (?R . ?\300) (?S . ?\246)
	 (?U . ?\332) (?Y . ?\335) (?Z . ?\254) (?a . ?\341) (?c . ?\346)
	 (?d . ?\360) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?l . ?\345) (?n . ?\361)
	 (?o . ?\363) (?r . ?\340) (?s . ?\266) (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375)
	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264))
     (?` (?A . ?\241) (?C . ?\307) (?E . ?\312) (?L . ?\243) (?S . ?\252)
	 (?T . ?\336) (?Z . ?\257) (?a . ?\261) (?l . ?\263) (?c . ?\347)
	 (?e . ?\352) (?s . ?\272) (?t . ?\376) (?z . ?\277) (?` . ?\252)
	 (?. . ?\377))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?o . ?\364)
	 (?^ . ?^)			; no special code?
	 (?\  . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334) (?a . ?\344)
	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\310) (?D . ?\317) (?L . ?\245) (?N . ?\322)
	  (?O . ?\325) (?R . ?\330) (?S . ?\251) (?T . ?\253) (?U . ?\333)
	  (?Z . ?\256) (?a . ?\323) (?c . ?\350) (?d . ?\357) (?l . ?\265)
	  (?n . ?\362) (?o . ?\365) (?r . ?\370) (?s . ?\271) (?t . ?\273)
	  (?u . ?\373) (?z . ?\276)
	  (?v . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\~ . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\. . ?\270)			; cedilla accent
	  ))

    ("latin-1"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?Y . ?\335) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?I . ?\314) (?O . ?\322) (?U . ?\331)
	 (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?i . ?\354) (?o . ?\362) (?u . ?\371)
	 (?` . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?^ . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?I . ?\317) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334)
	  (?a . ?\344) (?e . ?\353) (?i . ?\357) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337)
	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\307) (?D . ?\320) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\325)
	  (?T . ?\336) (?a . ?\343) (?c . ?\347) (?d . ?\360) (?n . ?\361)
	  (?o . ?\365) (?t . ?\376) (?> . ?\273) (?< . ?\253) (?\~ . ?\270)
	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277))
     (?\/ (?A . ?\305) (?E . ?\306) (?O . ?\330) (?a . ?\345) (?e . ?\346)
	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260))))
  "List of language-specific customizations for the ISO Accents mode.

Each element of the list is of the form

    (LANGUAGE
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     ...)

LANGUAGE is a string naming the language.
PSEUDO-ACCENT is a char specifying an accent key.
MAPPINGS are cons cells of the form (CHAR . ISO-CHAR).

The net effect is that the key sequence PSEUDO-ACCENT CHAR is mapped
to ISO-CHAR on input.")

(defvar iso-language nil
  "Language for which ISO Accents mode is currently customized.
Change it with the `iso-accents-customize' function.")

(defvar iso-accents-list nil
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations, for the chosen language.")

(defvar iso-accents-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See the function `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-mode)

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  If you set this variable to a list in which some of those
characters are missing, the missing ones do not act as accents.

Note that if you specify a language with `iso-accents-customize',
that can also turn off certain prefixes (whichever ones are not needed in
the language you choose).")

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if (and iso-accents-mode
           (memq last-input-char iso-accents-enable))
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
         (list (assq first-char iso-accents-list))
         ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
         (second-char (if (or prompt
                              (not (eq (key-binding "a")
                                       'self-insert-command))
                              ;; Called from anything but the command loop.
                              (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
                              this-command)
                          (progn
                            (message "%s%c"
                                     (or prompt "Compose with ")
                                     first-char)
                            (read-event))
                        (insert first-char)
                        (prog1 (read-event)
                          (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
         (entry (cdr (assq second-char list))))
    (if entry
        ;; Found it: delete the first character and insert the combination.
        (progn
          (setq unread-command-events
                (mapcar 'character-to-event (list
                                             (+ 48 (/ entry 64))
                                             (+ 48 (% (/ entry 8) 8))
                                             (+ 48 (% entry 8)))))
          (vector ?\021))
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list (character-to-event second-char)))
      (vector first-char))))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;;           (append minor-mode-alist
;; 	          '((iso-accents-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

You can customize ISO Accents mode to a particular language
with the command `iso-accents-customize'.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives an Icelandic eth (d with dash).
~t gives an Icelandic thorn.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemots.
~! gives an inverted exclamation mark.
~? gives an inverted question mark.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-mode t)))

(defun iso-accents-customize (language)
  "Customize the ISO accents machinery for a particular language.
It selects the customization based on the specifications in the
`iso-languages' variable."
  (interactive (list (completing-read "Language: " iso-languages nil t)))
  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages)) tail)
    (if (not table)
	(error "Unknown language '%s'" language)
      (setq iso-language language
	    iso-accents-list (cdr table))
      (if key-translation-map
	  (substitute-key-definition
	   'iso-accents-accent-key nil key-translation-map)
	(setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
      ;; Set up translations for all the characters that are used as
      ;; accent prefixes in this language.
      (setq tail iso-accents-list)
      (while tail
	(define-key key-translation-map (vector (car (car tail)))
	  'iso-accents-accent-key)
	(setq tail (cdr tail))))))

(defun iso-accentuate (start end)
  "Convert two-character sequences in region into accented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the same conversion that ISO Accents mode uses for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (forward-char 1)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (memq (preceding-char) iso-accents-enable)
		   (setq entry (cdr (assq (following-char) (assq (preceding-char) iso-accents-list)))))
	      (progn
		(forward-char -1)
		(delete-char 2)
		(insert entry)
		(setq end (1- end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-accent-rassoc-unit (value alist)
  (let (elt acc)
    (while (and alist (not elt))
      (setq acc (car (car alist))
	    elt (car (rassq value (cdr (car alist))))
	    alist (cdr alist)))
    (if elt
	(cons acc elt))))

(defun iso-unaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into two-character sequences.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the opposite of the conversion done by ISO Accents mode for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (car entry) (cdr entry))
		(setq end (1+ end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-deaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into unaccented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (cdr entry)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

;; Set up the default settings.
(iso-accents-customize "latin-1")

;; Use Iso-Accents mode in the minibuffer
;; if it was in use in the previous buffer.
(defun iso-acc-minibuf-setup ()
  (setq iso-accents-mode
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer (window-buffer minibuffer-scroll-window))
	  iso-accents-mode)))

(add-hook 'minibuf-setup-hook 'iso-acc-minibuf-setup)

;;; iso-acc.el ends here

--- /n/gnu/emacs-19.31/share/emacs/19.31/lisp/iso-acc.el	Mon May 20 18:02:14 1996
+++ iso-acc.el	Wed Jun 26 06:45:51 1996
@@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
 ;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
 ;; Maintainer: FSF
 ;; Keywords: i18n
+;; Adapted for XEmacs 19.14 by Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
 
 ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
 
@@ -40,14 +41,14 @@
 ;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
 ;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
 ;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
+;;   ,  (cedilla)   -> cedilla under the character (except on default mode).
 ;;                  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
 ;;
 ;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
 ;; In general: 
 ;;
 ;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
-;;   pseudo-accent + space -> pseudo-accent
-;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available)
+;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available, default mode)
 ;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
 ;;
 ;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
@@ -65,32 +66,48 @@
 
 (provide 'iso-acc)
 
+; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14
+(if (fboundp 'read-event) ()
+  (defun read-event () (event-key (next-command-event))))
+
+; needed to work on GNU Emacs (had to use this function on XEmacs)
+(if (fboundp 'character-to-event) ()
+  (defun character-to-event (ch &optional event console meta) ch))
+
+; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.30
+(if (fboundp 'this-single-command-keys) ()
+  (if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
+      (defun this-single-command-keys ()
+        (setq this-command (not (this-command-keys)))
+        (this-command-keys))
+    (defun this-single-command-keys () (this-command-keys))))
+
 (defvar iso-languages
   '(("portuguese"
      (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
 	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
-	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?'))
-     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340) (?\  . ?`))
+	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
+     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340))
      (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352)
-	 (?o . ?\364) (?\  . ?^))
-     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\"))
-     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~)))
+	 (?o . ?\364) )
+     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
+     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
+     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
     
     ("irish"
      (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
-	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)
-	 (?\  . ?')))
+	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)))
     
     ("french"
      (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
 	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
-	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?'))
-     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?\  . ?`))
+	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
+     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350))
      (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
-	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
-	 (?\  . ?^))
-     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\"))
-     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~)))
+	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373))
+     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
+     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
+     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
     
     ("latin-2"
      (?' (?A . ?\301) (?C . ?\306) (?D . ?\320) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315)
@@ -98,17 +115,16 @@
 	 (?U . ?\332) (?Y . ?\335) (?Z . ?\254) (?a . ?\341) (?c . ?\346)
 	 (?d . ?\360) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?l . ?\345) (?n . ?\361)
 	 (?o . ?\363) (?r . ?\340) (?s . ?\266) (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375)
-	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?')) 
+	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264))
      (?` (?A . ?\241) (?C . ?\307) (?E . ?\312) (?L . ?\243) (?S . ?\252)
 	 (?T . ?\336) (?Z . ?\257) (?a . ?\261) (?l . ?\263) (?c . ?\347)
 	 (?e . ?\352) (?s . ?\272) (?t . ?\376) (?z . ?\277) (?` . ?\252)
-	 (?. . ?\377) (?\  . ?`))
+	 (?. . ?\377))
      (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?o . ?\364)
 	 (?^ . ?^)			; no special code?
 	 (?\  . ?^))
      (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334) (?a . ?\344)
-	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250)
-	  (?\  . ?\"))
+	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250))
      (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\310) (?D . ?\317) (?L . ?\245) (?N . ?\322)
 	  (?O . ?\325) (?R . ?\330) (?S . ?\251) (?T . ?\253) (?U . ?\333)
 	  (?Z . ?\256) (?a . ?\323) (?c . ?\350) (?d . ?\357) (?l . ?\265)
@@ -117,28 +133,27 @@
 	  (?v . ?\242)			; v accent
 	  (?\~ . ?\242)			; v accent
 	  (?\. . ?\270)			; cedilla accent
-	  (?\  . ?\~)))
+	  ))
 
     ("latin-1"
      (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
 	 (?Y . ?\335) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
-	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?'))      
+	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264))
      (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?I . ?\314) (?O . ?\322) (?U . ?\331)
 	 (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?i . ?\354) (?o . ?\362) (?u . ?\371)
-	 (?` . ?`) (?\  . ?`))
+	 (?` . ?`))
      (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
 	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
-	 (?^ . ?^) (?\  . ?^))
+	 (?^ . ?^))
      (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?I . ?\317) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334)
 	  (?a . ?\344) (?e . ?\353) (?i . ?\357) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337)
-	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250) (?\  . ?\"))
+	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250))
      (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\307) (?D . ?\320) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\325)
 	  (?T . ?\336) (?a . ?\343) (?c . ?\347) (?d . ?\360) (?n . ?\361)
 	  (?o . ?\365) (?t . ?\376) (?> . ?\273) (?< . ?\253) (?\~ . ?\270)
-	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277)
-	  (?\  . ?\~))
+	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277))
      (?\/ (?A . ?\305) (?E . ?\306) (?O . ?\330) (?a . ?\345) (?e . ?\346)
-	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260) (?\  . ?\/))))
+	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260))))
   "List of language-specific customizations for the ISO Accents mode.
 
 Each element of the list is of the form
@@ -168,9 +183,9 @@
 See the function `iso-accents-mode'.")
 (make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-mode)
 
-(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/)
+(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,)
   "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
-The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/), which contains all the supported
+The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,), which contains all the supported
 accent keys.  If you set this variable to a list in which some of those
 characters are missing, the missing ones do not act as accents.
 
@@ -193,9 +208,8 @@
 	 (second-char (if (or prompt
 			      (not (eq (key-binding "a")
 				       'self-insert-command))
-			      ;; Not at start of a key sequence.
-			      (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
 			      ;; Called from anything but the command loop.
+                              (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
 			      this-command)
 			  (progn
 			    (message "%s%c"
@@ -207,16 +221,22 @@
 			  (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
 	 (entry (cdr (assq second-char list))))
     (if entry
-	;; Found it: return the mapped char
-	(vector entry)
+        ;; Found it: delete the first character and insert the combination.
+        (progn
+          (setq unread-command-events
+                (mapcar 'character-to-event (list
+                                             (+ 48 (/ entry 64))
+                                             (+ 48 (% (/ entry 8) 8))
+                                             (+ 48 (% entry 8)))))
+          (vector ?\021))
       ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
-      (setq unread-command-events (list second-char))
+      (setq unread-command-events (list (character-to-event second-char)))
       (vector first-char))))
 
 ;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
 ;; in the mode line...
 ;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
-;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-map-alist)
+;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-alist)
 ;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
 ;; 	  (append minor-mode-alist
 ;; 		  '((iso-accents-mode " ISO-Acc")))))
@@ -262,8 +282,7 @@
 It selects the customization based on the specifications in the
 `iso-languages' variable."
   (interactive (list (completing-read "Language: " iso-languages nil t)))
-  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages))
-	all-accents tail)
+  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages)) tail)
     (if (not table)
 	(error "Unknown language '%s'" language)
       (setq iso-language language


-- 
Alexandre Oliva
oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
Universidade Estadual de Campinas, S~ao Paulo, Brasil

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elam@cisun2000.unil.ch (Erwin LAM) writes:

> I just tried to compile Xemacs V19.14 with the following commands
> 
>     ./configure mips-sgi-irix5.3
>     make
> 
> and this gave me the following error message.
> 
>    <lots of lines snipped> 
> 
> cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.        -I/users/elam/Workroom/xemacs-19.14/src                                   -I/users/elam/Workroom/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  events.c
> In file included from events.c:32:
> console-x.h:55: X11/xpm.h: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [events.o] Error 1
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> Strange, I do have libXpm.so in /usr/lib/X11 and the 'configure' script 
> sets HAVE_XPM, but the file xpm.h is nowhere on the system.

First, unless you built it yourself, that libXpm.so is SGI's and does
not work with xemacs (at least, not with 19.13). There's a patched
version available (at ftp.xemacs.org I think, and at least some mirror
sites) that you ought to build for yourself; linking a shared library
to replace SGI's is pretty easy as well.

SGI includes xpm.h in the ViewKit_dev subsystem (part of IDO); it
installs into /usr/include/Vk however, so you could have it and not
know it.

-- 
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atems@physics.wayne.edu		Wayne State University, Detroit, MI

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Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:

> XEmacs abends with a msg :
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> *** Error in XEmacs initialization
> (void-variable scrollbar-pointer-glyph)
> *** Backtrace
>   really-early-error-handler((void-variable scrollbar-pointer-glyph))
>   # bind (device)

I came across this and applied the following patch.  You will then need to
either remove the .elc file or byte-compile it with a working XEmacs.

--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/x11/x-mouse.el~	Thu May 16 02:21:40 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/x11/x-mouse.el	Thu Jun 27 17:15:34 1996
@@ -143,9 +143,10 @@
     (set-glyph-image gc-pointer-glyph
 	  (or (x-get-resource "gcPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
 	      "watch"))
-    (set-glyph-image scrollbar-pointer-glyph
-	  (or (x-get-resource "scrollbarPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
-	      "top_left_arrow"))
+    (if (featurep 'scrollbar)
+	(set-glyph-image scrollbar-pointer-glyph
+			 (or (x-get-resource "scrollbarPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
+			     "top_left_arrow")))
     (set-glyph-image busy-pointer-glyph
 	  (or (x-get-resource "busyPointer" "Cursor" 'string device)
 	      "watch"))

There is another patch which may help you later when you use M-x
manual-entry.  This one isn't quite so critical.

Hope this helps...

--- xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/man.el~	Fri Jun  7 01:20:26 1996
+++ xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/man.el	Fri Jun 28 19:45:19 1996
@@ -617,7 +617,8 @@
   ;; overran by a couple of chars.
   (setq truncate-lines t)
   ;; turn off horizontal scrollbars in this buffer
-  (set-specifier scrollbar-height (cons (current-buffer) 0))
+  (if (featurep 'scrollbar)
+      (set-specifier scrollbar-height (cons (current-buffer) 0)))
   (run-hooks 'Manual-mode-hook))
 
 (defun Manual-last-page ()
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					-- ange -- <><

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boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> (defun display-that-image-in-buffer (file)
 [ ... too long  :-) ]

The function is already here:

(make-annotation file nil 'text)

> hyper-basic, no error testing, nada!, but it works, at least with xpm
> and gif, two of the only three formats i tested

It also works with xbm, jpeg and X-Face (you have to provide a string
such as "X-Face: ...", try with mine and don't forget to escape the
backslashes).  I have no png files to test it.

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From: rosebud@cyclone.Stanford.EDU (Larry Schwimmer)
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	configure fails to find Motif on systems with Motif2.0 and R6
or higher.  It makes a valiant attempt, though. (-:

	configure first tries

LIBS="${LIBS} -lXm -lXt ${LIBS}"

which works with 1.2 and R5.
	It then tries (I love the configure.in comment :)

LIBS="${LIBS} -lXm -lXt -lXpm -lXext ${LIBS}"

which works with 2.0 and R5.  But, in R6, Xt depends on -lSM -lICE.
Since -lSM -lICE are never added to LIBS or X_LIBS or any variable
used by configure (but are instead handled in src/Makefile.in.in),
configure fails to detect Motif.

To support R6 and higher, "-lSM -lICE" needs to be added to the link
tests to find Motif.  For Motif 2.0 and R6.1,

	-lXm -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm -lXext -lX11

works.
			yours,
				Larry Schwimmer
				schwim@cyclone.stanford.edu



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From: rosebud@cyclone.Stanford.EDU (Larry Schwimmer)
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	xemacs-19.14 looks for

src/s/ultrix4-3.h

But fails to find it.  Making src/s/ultrix.h a link to
src/s/ultrix4-3.h results in a successful compile.

			yours,
				Larry Schwimmer
				schwim@cyclone.stanford.edu
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From: rosebud@cyclone.Stanford.EDU (Larry Schwimmer)
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	I first ran into this problem with w3 mode and found a lasting
solution with William's help by using a w3-load-hook.  Now that xemacs
seems to use the rgb database for other items, the problem happened
again and it took me a bit of hunting to figure out I already had the
solution.
	It would be nice if the x-library-search-path variable were
better documented such that an apropos search on "rgb" will mention
it or if xemacs somehow added PROJECTROOT/lib/X11 to its search path.
While the current list of directories that are searched are rather
exhaustive, it will never be complete (nor need it be).

			yours,
				Larry Schwimmer
				schwim@cyclone.stanford.edu
				Distributed Computing Operations

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cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel) writes:

> > The fix is to compile XEmacs yourself, because the prebuilt binaries
> > are built on a "stock" SunOS which is statically linked with a libc
> > containing the NIS/hosts behavior rather than one containing DNS
> > gethostby* code.
> 
> Is the same true of the Solaris binaries?  If so, will do as you
> suggest.

Solaris2 does not have this problem - it only affects SunOS 4.x.

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 link problem (longish)
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uknt@attme.att.com (Nick THOMPSON) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to upgrade to 19.14 from 19.13 which I compiled without problems on
> my Sparc5, SunOS4.1.4 machine, with X11R5. At the final link I get (sorry about
> the size):

> ld: Undefined symbol 
>    _XtToolkitInitialize 
> collect2: ld returned 2 exit status
> make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
> make: *** [src] Error 2
> 
> _XtToolkitInitialize is define in intrinsic.h as expected, but I notice some
> special handling in configure for this symbol. I compiled X myself somtime ago,
> did I mess that up some how? I can find the symbol in libXt.a, but I only have
> dynamic motif libraries.

Try commenting out the following code in configure:

#
# Sun OS 4 systems need the following kludge
#
if test "${window_system}" != "none" ; then
  case "${canonical}" in *-sunos4* )
    LIBS="$LIBS -u _XtToolkitInitialize -u _get_applicationShellWidgetClass" ;;
  esac
fi

Let us know if you succeed.

Steve: if this is the solution, it ought to be a faq for folks on
SunOS4 who compiled their own X11.

Systems here at sun tend to run Sun's Openwindows :)
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From: ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey)
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  I like the way the new M-x compile looks, but I much preferred the
19.13 behavior of showing the buffer in the currently selected frame,
instead of opening a brand new one.  Is there any way to get this
behavior back?  Looking through the info and a little in compile.el
didn't turn up any options to this effect, but there must be one,
because I really hate the 19.14 behavior and I figure there's gotta be
someone with some sense among the beta testers or developers ;-)

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From: mlewis@nmia.com (Michael D Lewis)
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I've been trying to build xemacs 19.14 and emacs 19.31 on my Linux 1.2.8
(slackware 2.3.0) machine.  Both fail at about the same place, and with
the same error. 

I run ./configure with the following line:

    ./configure i386-slackware-linux     (for xemacs)
    ./configure i386-slackware-lignux     (for emacs)

Then I do a make.   The following is the line that fails in xemacs. 
It IS all one line!

gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
    -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o  
    abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o  callint.o callproc.o 
    casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o cmds.o console.o console-stream.o
    data.o database.o device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o doprnt.o dynarr.o
    editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o eval.o events.o  event-stream.o 
    event-unixoid.o  extents.o faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o
    floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o frame.o general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o
    gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o  hash.o indent.o inline.o insdel.o
    intl.o keymap.o lread.o lstream.o  macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o 
    minibuf.o  objects.o opaque.o print.o process.o profile.o pure.o
    rangetab.o realpath.o  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o
    scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o  strftime.o 
    symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o  toolbar.o  console-tty.o device-tty.o
    event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o undo.o
    unexec.o  console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o
    glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o
    toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o
    gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o
    TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o
    -llw -lXaw -lXpm  -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
    -lncurses  -lgdbm  -ldb   `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
    `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  


This is the error that I'm getting from the linker:

    lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
    lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here

The only .c file that contains a definition for tgoto (src/termcap.c)
doesn't even get compiled.  I can't find a file anywhere called 
lib_tparm.o, tparm.o, lib_termcap.o, or termcap.o.  My WAG is that
this is a linker/library error, but I'm new to linux/gcc, and this
is way beyond me.  

Is there a command line switch I need to include?  Are my libraries messed
up?  I'm sure many people have gotten the newest (x)emacs working on 
a linux box.  BTW, I have gcc 2.6.3 and I think libc.so.4.6.27 came with
my distribution.  I think I added libc.so.5.2.16 a while back because
someone said it would solve a different problem (it didn't).

				Thanks in advance,
				Michael Lewis
				mlewis@nmia.com

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From: cpm@geri.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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Subject: Lost ispell; would like it back...
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Hi.  In the process of clearing space enough to and install and
compile xemacs 19.14 on my overstuffed hard disk I somehow lost
ispell, which was working fine when I was running only emacs 19.31.
Can someone let me know how to reinstall it?  Thanks.  The files
ispell.elc and ispell4.elc are still in the /lisp directory.  What
else do I need?  Thanks.


-chris-

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From: Steve VanDevender <stevev@tzadkiel.efn.org>
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Is there some way to keep XEmacs from eating up my entire colormap?  All
the colored doodads and inline images are great, but now whenever I fire
up XV it can't get any colors and ends up displaying its control panel
in monochrome mode.

It also seems like whatever image you first load ends up setting a bunch
of colorcells forever, so subsequent images with different colormaps end
up being dithered into poor-fitting colors.

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> 
> Is there a command line switch I need to include?  Are my libraries messed
> up?  I'm sure many people have gotten the newest (x)emacs working on
> a linux box.  BTW, I have gcc 2.6.3 and I think libc.so.4.6.27 came with
> my distribution.  I think I added libc.so.5.2.16 a while back because
> someone said it would solve a different problem (it didn't).

i built xemacs -19.13 and 19.14 with no problems under Slackware 3.0
gcc 2.7.0, libc-5.0.9... i would guess your gcc is old but... not
sure...

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I have no trouble building 19.14 on hpux9.05 with gcc-2.7.2.
Apparantly you are having trouble with configure.

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Hello Thorsten, Hello everybody,

this problem also exists in
xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz.

Adrian

Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I have some troubles with xemacs 19.14 and the sc-mode with RCS.
> Checking out a file with RCS->check out will work, but the menu
> will not toggle to "Check in", so I could not use the menu to check
> the file in. (Linux 2.0.0 and SunOS 4.1.3C)
> With xemacs 19.13, it works.
> 
>   Thorsten
> 
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Gail Mara Gurman wrote:
> 
> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> > >>>>> "simon" == simon goland <sg@orby.mda.ca> writes:
> > simon> Hi,
> > simon> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
> > simon> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
> > simon> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ.
> > It contains built-in validation (never, never use an HTML editor that
> > doesn't validate).  It recognizes HTML 3.2 (Wilbur), it has wonderful
> > font-locking colors:
> >       http://www.miranova.com/~steve/wingpsgml-mode.gif
> 
> Thanks for showing the picture, but where can we get the package?
> 
> --
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Gail,

psgml is part of XEmacs-19.14 and lives under
 .../lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/psgml/

Just put

(autoload 'sgml-mode "psgml" "Major mode to edit SGML files." t)

in your ~/.emacs file and re-start xemacs-19.14.

Adrian

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From: frick@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne K. Frick)
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Is there an electric mode for XEmacs like the FSF Emacs 'iso-accents' mode?
'iso-cvt' is not exactly what I need.  

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From: Lennart Svensson <lesv@einku.ericsson.se>
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I have problem to get the time correct at the mode line.
It will allways show American time which means 9 hours to less.

I have the following in my .emascsfile:

(setq set-time-zone-rule "CET=2")
(setq display-time-day-and-date t
      display-time-24hr-format t)
(display-time)

Everything is running on sunos4.1.4 and Xemacs 19.14

It MUST be wrong timezone but what should I set instead of CET=2 ???
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Subject: Re: Lost ispell; would like it back...
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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@geri.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

    Chris> Hi.  In the process of clearing space enough to and install
    Chris> and compile xemacs 19.14 on my overstuffed hard disk I
    Chris> somehow lost ispell, which was working fine when I was
    Chris> running only emacs 19.31.  Can someone let me know how to
    Chris> reinstall it?  Thanks.  The files ispell.elc and
    Chris> ispell4.elc are still in the /lisp directory.  What else do
    Chris> I need?

The ispell program (including dictionary). Get it from (a mirror of)
/ftp@prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu 

Take version 3.something, version 4.something is a dead branch.




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Subject: COLOR-XTERM and 19.14 problems
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I am trying to display xemacs-19.14 on a color-xterm ( whose background is
white) . XEmacs recognizes that it is a color-xterm and displays colors but it
makes the background color black even when the original color-xterm background
color is white. Here are my NXTerm defaults on my LINUX box.
		
nxterm*color0:           Black
nxterm*color1:           Red
nxterm*color2:           Green
nxterm*color3:           Yellow
nxterm*color4:           Blue
nxterm*color5:           Magenta
nxterm*color6:           Cyan
nxterm*color7:           White
nxterm*background:       White
nxterm*foreground:       Black


Most other applications work fine using these color-xterm defaults. Is there a
resource I need to set inside my .emacs so that xemacs does not blacken out my
screen after it starts up.


Please CC your replies vedati@PACorp.com


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From: duc@mport.com (RB Ducoty)
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Subject: Adding font-lock definitions to dired mode
Date: 30 Jun 1996 16:50:51 GMT
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I  want to create some new font-lock types to dired - I tried following
the syntax in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, but I'm not having much
luck.  I want to add colors for *.c, *.h, *.o, *.a & *.so files
for a start.  It worked OK with hilit19, but not with font-lock.  The
code I used was  (hsrc shown here - to highlight header files)

Where am I going astray?  - rbd


(or (find-face 'dired-face-hsrc)
    (and
     (make-face 'dired-face-hsrc)
     (or (face-differs-from-default-p 'dired-face-hsrc)
	 (if (eq (device-class) 'color)
	     (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-hsrc "brown")
	   (make-face-bold 'dired-face-hsrc)))))



(defvar dired-re-hsrc (if (fboundp 'dired-omit-regexp)
				(dired-omit-regexp)
			      "\\.h $\\|\\.h$"))


	      ((looking-at dired-re-hsrc)
	       (dired-xemacs-highlight-one 'dired-face-hsrc))

     (list (concat "^.*\\.h $") 1 'bold)		   ; hsrc

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Subject: generic-sc.el - fix for rcs-register, updated sc-mode
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		To the current owners of generic-sc.el
			   (and it's users)

Finally I have taken a look why XEmacs's sc-mode would create a SCCS
directory when I try to register a file under RCS and the RCS
directory does not exist.

The answer is simple.

After asking whether to create directory RCS, rcs-register creates the
directory SCCS.

I have fixed this. Since byte-compiling pointed to an obsolete
function named `add-menu', I have also updated `sc-mode' to use
`add-submenu' instead.

And I made this into a patch which I offer herewith.

This patch was created under XEmacs-19.14 for its version (?) of
./lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/generic-sc.el.

Ironically generic-sc.el does not have any VersionControl information
in it :-)

BTW: I am a great fan of XEmacs's VC interface!

Adrian

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*** /tmp/ediffa002fz	Sun Jun 30 19:27:05 1996
--- /tmp/generic-sc.el	Sun Jun 30 19:27:06 1996
***************
*** 820,826 ****
  		system)
  	     (funcall f)
  	     (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'sc-mode-line)
! 	     (add-menu '() sc-generic-name sc-menu)
  	     (add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'sc-sensitize-menu)
  	     (run-hooks 'sc-mode-hook)
  	     (setq sc-mode system))))))
--- 820,826 ----
  		system)
  	     (funcall f)
  	     (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'sc-mode-line)
! 	     (add-submenu '() (cons sc-generic-name sc-menu))
  	     (add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'sc-sensitize-menu)
  	     (run-hooks 'sc-mode-hook)
  	     (setq sc-mode system))))))
***************
*** 1140,1146 ****
  (defun rcs-register (file revision)
    (if (and (not (file-exists-p "RCS"))
  	   (y-or-n-p "Directory RCS does not exist, create it?"))
!       (make-directory "SCCS"))
    (sc-do-command "*RCS*" "ci" "ci" file (rcs-name file) "-u"))
  
  (defun rcs-check-out (file lockp)
--- 1140,1146 ----
  (defun rcs-register (file revision)
    (if (and (not (file-exists-p "RCS"))
  	   (y-or-n-p "Directory RCS does not exist, create it?"))
!       (make-directory "RCS"))
    (sc-do-command "*RCS*" "ci" "ci" file (rcs-name file) "-u"))
  
  (defun rcs-check-out (file lockp)
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gast@cteq07.pa.msu.edu (Mathew Gast {REU-1996/Tung}) writes:
> gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
> -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o
> [lots of .o files skipped for brevity]
> -llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
> -lncurses                `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc
> `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`
> 
> lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
> lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
> make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gast/xemacs-19.14/src'
> make: *** [src] Error 2

XEmacs 19.14 tries to use the ncurses library if it can find it (this
is a good thing (TM)). Unfortunately, over the last few years there
have been many incompatible releases of this library. To make things
even worse, many distributions come with broken header files for
ncurses and there are some header files that belong to other libraries
(e.g. libtermcap), but share the same filename and share some of the
function names.


Thus many people will probably experience similar difficulties in
compiling XEmacs 19.14 for Linux. So far, it appears that in all cases
this was caused by a defective installation of system libraries and
XEmacs' config script was not to blame. Thus I would suggest that you
first upgrade your libraries and then try to recompile XEmacs. Make
sure that you read the release notes first, before attempting to
upgrade any of your libraries. There are subtle pitfalls that you need
to watch out for!

Also depending on the version of your binutils, you might have to
manually set up symbolic links from "libname.so.X.Y" to "libname.so"
for all of the new libraries that you installed. Before trusting your
installation inspect the output of "ldconfig -v" and "ldd -r `which
xemacs`". Often this will point to possible errors where you still
reference the old libraries...

In order to give you a broad guideline, I attached the output of "ldd
`which xemacs`" to this message. It will tell you the version numbers
of all the libraries that I have installed for XEmacs 19.14.

	libXm.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.2.0
	libXpm.so.3 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.3.4.8
	libjpeg.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so.1.6
	libpng.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.1.0.88
	libz.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.0.2
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
	libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.5
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Let me know if you still have problems after successful installation
of the new libaries.



Markus

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: adding new font-lock-face
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In article <4r43q1$g5l@cantuc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev) writes:
> ("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\|newcommand\\){\\([a-zA-Z0-9\\*]+\\)}"
>      2 font-lock-function-name-face)
>     ^^^
> what does "2" means here ?

It selects the second subexpression from the regexp.  I.e., stuff in
curlies following one of the keywords in the first subexpression (in
the regexp) will be highlighted using font-lock-function-name-face.

Font-lock is marvellous in the flexibility it offers to those willing
to write up their own patterns.

Take a look at the documentation for the variable font-lock-keywords
to see how to construct your own patterns.  It helps to look at some
of the patterns in font-lock.el while looking at the doc string.

-- 
Sudish

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[ I've just switched over to XEmacs, this might be off some ]
In article <4r6b9b$hb3@news.scruz.net>,
duc@mport.com (RB Ducoty) writes:
> I  want to create some new font-lock types to dired - I tried following
> the syntax in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, but I'm not having much
> luck.  I want to add colors for *.c, *.h, *.o, *.a & *.so files
> for a start.  It worked OK with hilit19, but not with font-lock.  The
> code I used was  (hsrc shown here - to highlight header files)

Font-lock works by looking at the patterns in the (buffer-local)
variable font-lock-keywords.  It also uses the syntax table to handle
strings and comments.  

What this means to you and me (I was religious about hl319 until 19.29
or so) is that there are no specific faces that are used in dired
mode.  Rather, you can associate whatever face you want with patterns
that you provide via font-lock-keywords.  The doc string for that
variable is very comprehensive and is worth studying while looking at
the patterns in font-lock.el.  

Once you've constructed and manipulated dired-font-lock-keywords to
your content, you'll need to let font-lock know that it should be used
for dired buffers.  One way is to do something like this (untested!):
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
	  (function (lambda ()
		      (setq font-lock-defaults
			    '(dired-font-lock-keywords t t nil nil)))))

The docs for font-lock-defaults state that using a property on
dired-mode is preferable, you might want to do that instead.

You could just set font-lock-keywords to dired-font-lock-keywords.
But, as font-lock.el points out, there's no need for syntax-driven
fontification in dired buffers.

I still haven't ported all my font-lock stuff over, I'm still mulling
over how I want to set tty's + X font-lock prefs cleanly (ie., a
face-creation function that is as concise, while still as flexible, as
hilit-lookup-face-create and allowed for multiple devices would be
nice).  Right now, I'm using the default faces which look really ugly
on my puky background color :-).  So, take all of the above with a
cellar of salt as it's untested in XEmacs AFAIK. :-)

-- 
Sudish

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From: Neal Becker <neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com>
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I get good results on my 486-100 with 32mb.  No motif.  Maybe try
without motif?  You really don't need it anyway.

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From: Neal Becker <neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com>
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(setq gnus-nntp-server "news")

or setting NNTPSERVER env variable will work (I think).

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From: polet@orion.hrz.tu-freiberg.de (Thoralf Polet MET)
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Reading the XEmacs Reference Manual I found some nice customisations.
But I couldn't figure out how resp. where to set these resources.

The problem is : after changing the font XEmacs starts now with an
unapropriate size.

BTW How do I customize my news server (different than the workstation
on which my XEmacs runs) ?

Send e-mail, please.

Thanks in advance.

Regards, Thoralf Polet.	







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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net>
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Subject: Re: Options -> Font/Size/Weight  (doesn't seem to save)
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Andrew Veliath writes:

> If I change  the Font/Size/Weight under Options then  do a  Save options,
> they don't seem to save.  I changed it manually, but  is this the desired
> behavior?

use "Options / Edit Faces..."
tweak
then "Options / Save Options"

-- 
Nat    Linux

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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:27:48 +0200, Gennady Briskin 
<briskin@mail.desy.de> wrote:

> I just got xemacs-19.14 and it looks great. But I am missing AuC-TeX
> package.

I was too at first. xemacs failed for me silently in the byte-compile
phase of installation. I don't know anything about lisp, so I couldn't
debug it.  It would be nice if someone fixed that ...

> Can somebody tell me where I can get byte-compiled files for AuC-TeX
> I just want to put them into a lisp/packages directory and be done.

Here's what I did: I started with an empty .emacs file and I byte
compiled them by hand. Just move them to the directories you want them
in (e.g. .../lib/xemacs/site-lisp/auctex{/,style/}) and enter the
command M-x byte-compile-file for each one, giving the filename when
prompted. I'm sure that with a little foresight the procedure could have
been automated better. I guess you don't even have to byte-compile them
if you don't want.

> Am I dreaming or is my request reasanable.

Ed

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On my hpux9.05 C-c C-c doesn't work, but the menu on button3 will let
you send signals, so if you are using an X display gdb is perfectly
usable.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:34:31 +0200, Ronald Fischer
<ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> posted to comp.emacs.xemacs,
comp.emacs:
 > I would like to have my TAB key behave uniformly, i.e. tabbing to
 > the next tab stop. This works fine in general, except if major mode
 > is Perl, Lisp or elisp. In these modes, pressing TAB either does
 > nothing or tabulates to some "weird" position (obviously depending
 > on the content of the previous line).

I used to try what you're proposing, but it was a bad idea. Redefining
the modes so they don't do what they were designed to do is simply not
going to work for very long. Stick to fundamental mode instead if
that's what you really want. 
  Before thinking about such abominations, consider setting up the
indentation functions to a style that suits you instead. 
  Here's something that will actually let you have hard tabs (if you
have indent-tabs-mode set to t):

    ;; The add-hook is here just as an example of redefining keys on a
    ;;  per-mode basis

    (add-hook 'perl-mode-hook (function (lambda ()
            (local-set-key ";"        'self-insert-command)
            (local-set-key "\C-c\C-h" 'describe-perl-symbol)
            (setq comment-column 40)
    )))
    (setq perl-indent-level                 8
          perl-continued-statement-offset   8
          perl-continued-brace-offset       0
          perl-brace-offset                -8
          perl-brace-imaginary-offset       0
          perl-label-offset                -8)

    (autoload 'describe-perl-symbol "perl-descr"
              "One-line information on a perl symbol" t)
    (autoload 'switch-to-perl-doc-buffer "perl-descr"
              "One-line information on a perl symbol" t)

I couldn't resist +not+ removing the references to the perl-descr
functions. Available from the LCD. Very useful.
  The self-insert-command for the semicolon is a holdover from when I
tried to prevent Perl-mode from reindenting my lines. I've kept it
because more often than not, it still does something I don't want.
(I'd like continued-statement-offset to behave differently inside
parentheses, basically. I'd C-q tab to align to where I wanted, and
then the statement terminator would throw me back to some absurd
indentation. I should probably switch to cperl-mode. :-)

Hope this helps,

/* era */

Here's an example of the Perl formatting you get. Tab will reindent a
line to conform to these conventions. Press M-; to move to
"comment-column", which had better be a multiple of eight if you have
hard tabs set up that way. 
  As an alternative, you might want to try out tinytab.el, but that's
another story altogether. 

sub routine
{
	if ($party eq $feast)           # Maximum overdrive
	{
		warn "Colesterole high";
		&eat ($hit) && die;
	}
	1;
}

-- 
See <http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/> for mantra, disclaimer, etc.

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Andrew McClure <amcclure@tedis.com.au> writes:
> A few quick questions - whats the deal with the elf binary
> - thought I made my last kernel with support for this
> or do i need to do more.

Your kernel needs to know about ELF and also quite a lot of tools and
libraries need to be updated. Actually if you still have a system that
is fully AOUT (this is the old file format), then the best idea is
probably reinstalling from scratch. Update your personal data,
reformat your disks, get a good and recent Linux distribution, install
it, restore your private files, perform any necessary customizations,
now install XEmacs 19.14. It is possible to gradually move to ELF
without having to reinstall, but a completely new installation is
usually a lot less work.

If you decide to do so, make sure that you get a distribution that
already includes Linux 2.0.0. My information might be outdated, but I
believe currently only Debian and S.u.S.E come with Linux 2.0.0. All
other distributions (e.g. Slackware, Redhat, ...) are expected to
release similar versions any day now. For further information, please
go to a Linux newsgroup. There you will also be able to get detailed
information on the differences between AOUT and ELF and why you should
move to ELF.

> Also,  and I know this must have come up before, how can
> I get my backspace key to work - xemacs seems to think that
> back space is the same as DEL and only the old ^H does the job.

This is part of the FAQ. So please check it first. Unfortunately,
there are yet a few other problems that are (in parts) specific to
Linux. I sent this information in private e-mail as it might not
interest everybody else and I just recently (two or three weeks ago)
posted it here anyways. If there is enough general interest, I will
post again.

> Finally - whats the word with linux and java development tools
> are they stable enough,  are there some good source archives
> (and where) and any comments generally etc. etc.

I never bother about java, but I believe that the official site is
"http://www.blackdown.org". As I never checked this, I might be wrong
though!



Markus

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chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu (C. Chan) writes:
> Does anyone know if the Redhat 3.0.3 GCC-2.7.2 has been patched
> to remove the strength-reduce bug, or will I need a more recent GCC?

I do not know if this bug has been fixed in your version of GCC, but
if in doubt, add "-fno-strength-reduce" to the CFLAGS. This is exactly
what the official "bug-fix" for GCC does. If you are compiling for a
Pentium or PentiumPro, you should consider to use the following flags:

 --cflags="-g -O4 -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-functions=2\
           -malign-jumps=2 -malign-loops=2"

This is the value that has been used for the binary kits. If your
compiler does not understand the "-malign-..." options or if you are
compiling for anything other than Pentium or PentiumPro, then leave
them away.



Markus

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: BUG:reportmail,bbdb,mail-extract-address-components:(wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)

 I've been getting this error message from reportmail, and also when I
tried to set up bbdb with XEmacs 19.14.  It's in
mail-extract-address-components, I guess.  (*backtrace* at end)

I have the following in my ~/.emacs to start reportmail:
----------------
;;; reportmail
(load-library "reportmail")
(load-file "~/.vm") ; get vm-auto-folder-alist
(setq display-time-match-using-regexps t
      display-time-mail-ring-bell t
      display-time-day-and-date t
      display-time-incoming-mail-file "/var/spool/mail/karlheg"
      display-time-my-addresses '("Karl M. Hegbloom" "karlheg")
      display-time-junk-mail-checklist (list (append (list (caar vm-auto-folder-alist))   ; The headers
					       (map 'list 'car
						    (remove fldr::Wordsmith
							    (remove fldr::Friends
								    (remove fldr::XEmacs
									    (cdar vm-auto-folder-alist))))))))
(load-sound-file "/usr/sounds/bark.au" 'reportmail) ; bark at the mailman.
;;;(beep nil 'reportmail) ; test with C-x C-e
(display-time)
----------------

(insert (format "\n%s" display-time-junk-mail-checklist))
((\(from\)+\|\(sender\)+\|\(to\)+\|\(cc\)+ debian drscheme fresco gcl@cli.com gwm-talk lyx oo-browser plug*northwest teleport ilisp lclint mklinux plt-tools))

-----------------

Is there a bug-fix?  After I've read all the manuals, maybe I can try
to go after it.  I'm just beginning to understand lisp...

---------- *backtrace* -----------------------
Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
  mail-extract-address-components("Timothy Brown <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")
  display-time-extract-short-addr("Timothy Brown <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")
  display-time-process-good-message()
  display-time-process-this-message()
  display-time-process-mail-buffer()
  byte-code("!!q!)!)	!qp! ͏ " [display-time-debugging display-time-debug-mesg format "Spool file has changed... rereading..." mail-buffer set-buffer-modified-p nil kill-buffer get-buffer-create display-time-mail-buffer-name buffer-disable-undo erase-buffer (byte-code "\")" [nil buffer-read-only insert-file-contents display-time-incoming-mail-file t] 3) ((file-error)) t buffer-read-only display-time-process-mail-buffer] 3)
  display-time-process-new-mail()
  display-time-timer-function()
  display-time()
  load-internal("~/.emacs" t t t)
  load("~/.emacs" t t t)
  load-user-init-file("")
  load-init-file()
  command-line()
  normal-top-level()

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom
<karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
Proudly running Linux 2.0.0 and GNU public software!

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From: physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev)
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Subject: Re: hilit19 vs font-lock
Date: 1 Jul 1996 02:35:36 GMT
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Rafael Laboissiere (rafael@cristal.icp.grenet.fr) wrote:

: Hi Folks,

: I decided to use hilit19 with XEmacs instead of font-lock-mode (mainly
: because AUC-TeX has a wonderful contributed hilit-LaTeX) and am quite
: happy.  As font-lock seems to be integrated in the XEmacs distribution,
: I am wondering if any new improvements in the package would make me
: change my mind.  Could anybody, who knows both packages in depth,
: provide a comparison between them?

: Thanks,

It seems that font-lock is preffered (more supported).
It also seems that is faster.

I have a feeling that both are equally capable but the regexps defs in
font-lock is very pour to say the least. 

It also seems that it would be easy to add more regexps and I will be
wiling to do this if and when I will find some docs about that font-lock.el
or (fat chance) I will be able to understand what the fsck does those
comments (from font-lock) sais.

TFM do not sais anything about it. (not XEmacs lispref, not GNU elisp info)

--
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spoon (spoon@hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au) wrote:
: >I completely agree with Uri that AUC-Tex *is* a very useful package.
: >Integrating it might be a good idea!

: I'll second this

Well maybe yes or maybe no. I had no trouble to insert AUC-TeX
into XEmacs 19.14 except for one thing. 

Hilit doesn't seems to work and hilit-LaTeX was extremely nice.

While it seems that font-lock is as well capable as hilit there are much
less regexps defined and the docs are missing. (Yeah, well, there are some
comments but very short ones)

Cheers,

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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> 
> 
> What a huge mode. I LIKE IT.
> 
> But as always I have something to say!!  Does any one have the dtd
> files needed to make this thing Netscape and Explorer html friendly?
> 
> The last dtd I found was dated back to 1994. Since a lot of the html
> spec dates after that I would like and update.

In the etc/sgml directory there is a netyscape HTML dtd
dated Fri 24-Mar-95 09:46:33

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Hello,

I've got this error on startup of Xemacs 19.14 and it's driving me
berserk.

Xemacs is compiled with:

CFLAGS="-O" ./configure --site-includes=/usr/local/include \
	--site-libraries=/usr/local/lib --with-x=yes \
	--with-menubars=lucid --with-scrollbars=motif \
	--with-dialogs=motif

The first time I try anything other than self-insert, I get a
split-window and the following message in the *Warnings* buffer:


(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of 
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
 

Some points:

1) edit-faces shows a default of -dt-interface user for everything.
Edit-faces doesn't fix the problem, even if I changed everything to
some other face, such as Lucida Sans Typewriter.
2) In fact, I can't change the 'bold' face from -dt-user Interface,
even if I try.
3) Even if this worked, why can't the default Xemacs configuration not
be broken?

In addition, any font changes I make by setting font and size via the
options menu seem to be lost, even though I use 'save options'.

Could the motif features be inducing this craziness (I believe this is
a desktop font)?

Also, has anyone found out why compiling in the sparcworks support
causes an error on startup?

Many thanks,

David.
--
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dave@msrad72.med.uth.tmc.edu               Dept. of Radiology

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Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com> writes:

> others have reported slowdowns.  Are you using Linux?  I am running
> kernel 2.0.0 with the libc 5.3.12 which has a better malloc than older
> libraries.  Would that make any difference?

No.  Xemacs uses it's own malloc.


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Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:

> > Also,  and I know this must have come up before, how can
> > I get my backspace key to work - xemacs seems to think that
> > back space is the same as DEL and only the old ^H does the job.
> 
> This is part of the FAQ. So please check it first. Unfortunately,
> there are yet a few other problems that are (in parts) specific to
> Linux. I sent this information in private e-mail as it might not
> interest everybody else and I just recently (two or three weeks ago)
> posted it here anyways. If there is enough general interest, I will
> post again.
> 

After several hours of reading FAQ's, NEWS, delbackspace.el, and then
resorting to lisp functions, I think I solved this problem (at least
under X).  The problem was that in X, (under linux), the Backspace and
Delete keys were doing the exact same thing.  To make matters worse,
attempts to re-define the "delete" key, were also re-defining the
"Backspace" key.  After digging in .el files, I found that Xemacs is
mapping the Backspace key to the "delete" keysym.  My first attempt at
fixing that was just to re-define the (delete) key, then the
(backspace) key.  Unfortunatly, that still next various mode maps
broken.  (ie: cc-mode maps "\177" (delete) to
c-electric-delete... which SHOULD go on the backspace key).

Eventually, I found the following elisp code in my .emacs file does
EXACTLY what I wanted:

(keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)

This tells Xemacs that when I press my key labelled "Delete", that it
should generate the keysym "deletechar" (which usually is mapped to
delete the character under the point), and when I press the key
labelled "Backspace", it should generate the keysym "delete" (which is
usually mapped to some variation of moving the point backward one
character, then deleting the char at the point).

(If this also works for people using other machines, it might be nice
to add it to the FAQ.)


-- 

Gary Dezern
  gdezern@uniquecr.sundial.net 

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giacomo boffi:
> 
> after installing 19.14, if i type at a shell prompt, "man gnuserv",
> the nroff output is filtered through the program pointed to by $PAGER,
> if i type "man gnuclient" it is not filtered, and scrolls to end in a
> blink
> 
> the difference is that gnuclient.1 contains only the line
> 
> .so man1/gnuserv.1
> 
> it may be a bug with hp-ux as well (this is my suspect) but it seems
> to me that with 19.13 distribution i had all man pages working right

It's also a bug with SGI Irix 5.3. I changed the line into an absolute
path pointing to my /usr/local/man. But that's an unsatisfying
solution! 

> 
> tia
> 			gb
> 

By the way: Xemacs is the only distribution where I found the the
gnuserv stuff. I found it in the canonical GNU server's DESCRIPTIONS
file but not on the server itself. Is there another "official" server
for that stuff?

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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Edwards <edwards@world.std.com> writes:
    Jonathan> Since I have about the fastest powerpc there is, I think
    Jonathan> no one is going to be happy with this precompiled
    Jonathan> binary. May I suggest it be taken out and shot?

A better idea would be to know on which particular powerpc
architecture it has compiled. My guess is that it would be suboptimal
for similar platforms, and probably a dog on most others.

Same problem exists on HP: if you compile on a PA7000 machine, and run
on a PA7200, it will be *much* slower than if compiled on a PA7200...

Richard.

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In article <31D67B19.34606F5@vt.edu>, Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu> writes:
|> > 
|> > Is there a command line switch I need to include?  Are my libraries messed
|> > up?  I'm sure many people have gotten the newest (x)emacs working on
|> > a linux box.  BTW, I have gcc 2.6.3 and I think libc.so.4.6.27 came with
|> > my distribution.  I think I added libc.so.5.2.16 a while back because
|> > someone said it would solve a different problem (it didn't).
|> 
|> i built xemacs -19.13 and 19.14 with no problems under Slackware 3.0
|> gcc 2.7.0, libc-5.0.9... i would guess your gcc is old but... not
|> sure...

There is a severe difference: libc version 4 is a.out while libc version 5
is elf. So just adding libc5xx will not help - upgrade to elf. (If you
don't know what elf is there is a Linux-ELF-Howto in the usual places).
BTW: I don't know if you are using a precompiled binary or tried to compile
XEmacs yourself. If you tried a precompiled binary it is clear that it won't
work because they have been compiled on an elf-based system, I believe. You
could try to build it yourself though I can't say if this would succeed as
my system is based on elf.

Holger
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Alexandre Oliva:
> 
> I've just ported iso-acc.el from GNU Emacs 19.31 to XEmacs 19.14
> 
> Unfortunately, it won't work on xemacs 19.13, but I've tested it on
> GNU Emacs 19.30 and 19.29, and it worked.
> 
> Here you are the source code, and the diffs from GNU Emacs 19.31's
> provided source:
> 

When byte compiling, I get the message 

1 1996
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
    this-single-command-keys, read-event

But it seems to work. Any hints?

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caig2.att.att.com!cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@brwlserv wrote:
> 
> uknt@attme.att.com (Nick THOMPSON) writes:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to upgrade to 19.14 from 19.13 which I compiled without problems on
> > my Sparc5, SunOS4.1.4 machine, with X11R5. At the final link I get (sorry about
> > the size):
> 
> > ld: Undefined symbol
> >    _XtToolkitInitialize
> > collect2: ld returned 2 exit status
> > make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
> > make: *** [src] Error 2
> >
> > _XtToolkitInitialize is define in intrinsic.h as expected, but I notice some
> > special handling in configure for this symbol. I compiled X myself somtime ago,
> > did I mess that up some how? I can find the symbol in libXt.a, but I only have
> > dynamic motif libraries.
> 
> Try commenting out the following code in configure:
> 
> #
> # Sun OS 4 systems need the following kludge
> #
> if test "${window_system}" != "none" ; then
>   case "${canonical}" in *-sunos4* )
>     LIBS="$LIBS -u _XtToolkitInitialize -u _get_applicationShellWidgetClass" ;;
>   esac
> fi
> 
> Let us know if you succeed.

This doesn't appear to have any effect for me. How can I find out what routines
are available in a dynamic library? (usually I just grep the static version :)

Nick-> ar -t libXt.sa.4.10 
__.SYMDEF
StringDefs.o
sharedlib.o
Nick-> ls -l libXt.s*
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon      5230 Feb 16 10:10 libXt.sa.4.10
-rw-r--r--   1 root     daemon    303104 Jan 30 13:37 libXt.so.4.10

Any more Ideas?

Thanks for you help,
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From: Matthias Radestock <rade@sat.tecc.co.uk>
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I have VM configured to place all my outgoing mail into a folder. When
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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Edwards <edwards@world.std.com> writes:

Jonathan> This precompiled binary was dramatically slower than the one for 19.13, 
Jonathan> to the point of great annoyance. Couldn't keep up with typing in some cases.
Jonathan> Simple cursor movement could saturate the CPU, whereas it used 10% in 19.13.

Jonathan> After moaning on this group for a few days, I built from source using 
Jonathan> full-bear optimization. This solved the problem for practical purposes. Still
Jonathan> seeing 50% increase in CPU time for cursor movement, but it is below the
Jonathan> perceptual threshold.

Jonathan> Since I have about the fastest powerpc there is, I think no one is going to
Jonathan> be happy with this precompiled binary. May I suggest it be taken out and shot?

I built it.  I used full optimization.  I don't see the problem here.
And we don't use the fastest Power PC there is.  Maybe there's some
configuration mismatch that causes code that runs fast here not to run
fast on your machine?

Cheers =8-} Mike

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In article <m34tnsu7e2.fsf@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de> frick@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne K. Frick) writes:

>  Is there an electric mode for XEmacs like the FSF Emacs 'iso-accents' mode?
>  'iso-cvt' is not exactly what I need.  

I use the quite good Shapiro's packages 
electric-french-tex.el 
 and
electric-latin1-mode.el

Available at :
http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/electric-french-tex.el
http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/electric-latin1-mode.el

enjoy,

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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Subject: Re: How do I make an X-Face?
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In article <om7msv1iat.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> Everyone is on fire with the new release, and you worry about faces :-)
> A x-face is a string of gibberish in a X-Face: header that can be decoded
> to the mugshot of the sender. The procedure is described in
> http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html

	Here's a couple of functions for stealing and using x-faces
from Emacs/XEmacs:

;;; x-face-magic.el 
(defvar x-faces-file (expand-file-name "~/.x-faces")
  "*File for storing x-faces.")

(defvar x-faces-alist 
  '(("daemon" . "9UkhV`QK.99Z*sZay&{&pFrf#2X{w)mjyf3C$m\\0FUbiu8
        PtKc*yw.F.Yx7CQ_ARGr/^M\\p-6(qiTNt\"gNI7$'gK?vUMAgo-k@h+
        5A<ZUhVs2xp~S .R1-&'`P.jku28X1vk3sDRm6jbFM.@%AKgB-PDlFZE")))

(load x-faces-file t t t)

(defun x-face-insert ()
  "Insert an x-face in the current compose buffer (mail or news!)"
  (interactive)
  (let ((face (completing-read "Insert which x-face? " 
			       x-faces-alist nil t)))
    (save-excursion
      (save-restriction
	(widen)
	(goto-char 0)
	(save-match-data
	  (if (re-search-forward "^X-face:" nil t)
	      (error "There is already an X-face in the buffer!"))
	  (if (re-search-forward (concat "^" mail-header-separator "$")
				 nil t)
	      (progn
		(goto-char (match-beginning 0))
		(insert "X-face: " (cdr (assoc face x-faces-alist))
			"\n"))
	    (error "Couldn't find end of headers!")))))))

(defun x-face-steal-internal ()
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (save-match-data
    (and (re-search-forward
	  "^X-Face:\\s-+\\(\\S-+\\s-*\n\\(\\s-+\\S-+\\s-*\n\\)*\\)"
	  nil t)
	 (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1)
			   (match-end 1)))))
  
(defun x-face-steal ()
  "Steal an x-face from a News article or a mail message."
  (interactive)
  (let (face name)
    (cond ((and (equal (buffer-name) "*Summary*")
		(get-buffer "*Article*"))
	   (save-excursion
	     (set-buffer (get-buffer "*Article*"))
	     (save-restriction
	       (widen)
	       (setq face (x-face-steal-internal)))))
	  ((equal major-mode 'vm-mode)
	   (setq face (x-face-steal-internal))
	   (or face
	       (progn
		 (vm-expose-hidden-headers)
		 (setq face (x-face-steal-internal))
		 (vm-expose-hidden-headers))))
	  (t
	   (error "Couldn't deduce which buffer to extract x-face from.")))
    (if face 
	(progn
	  (while (not name)
	    (setq name (read-string "Name for this face? "))
	    (if (memq name x-faces-alist)
		(if (yes-or-no-p-maybe-dialog-box 
		     "There is already a face called %s. Overwrite? ")
		    (delq name x-faces-alist)
		  (setq name nil))))
	  (setq x-faces-alist (append x-faces-alist 
				      (list (cons name face)))))
      (error "Couldn't find any x-faces!"))))

(defun x-face-save-faces ()
  "Save the contents of x-faces-alist to x-faces-file (typically
\"~/.x-faces\"."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer 
     (find-file-noselect x-faces-file))
    (erase-buffer)
    (insert (format 
	     "(setq x-faces-alist '%s)" (prin1-to-string
					 x-faces-alist)))
    (save-buffer)
    (kill-buffer nil)))
-- 

---
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Boks 44, 4817 HIS, NORWAY / Tel +47 370 51482

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From: bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr (Georges Brun-Cottan)
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In article <slrn4te29h.dn7.dolittle@weniac.math.toronto.edu> dolittle@weniac.math.toronto.edu (Ed Doolittle) writes:

>  On Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:27:48 +0200, Gennady Briskin 
>  <briskin@mail.desy.de> wrote:
>  
>  > I just got xemacs-19.14 and it looks great. But I am missing AuC-TeX
>  > package.
>  
>  I was too at first. xemacs failed for me silently in the byte-compile
>  phase of installation. I don't know anything about lisp, so I couldn't
>  debug it.  It would be nice if someone fixed that ...
>  
>  > Can somebody tell me where I can get byte-compiled files for AuC-TeX
>  > I just want to put them into a lisp/packages directory and be done.
>  
>  Here's what I did: I started with an empty .emacs file and I byte
>  compiled them by hand. Just move them to the directories you want them
>  in (e.g. .../lib/xemacs/site-lisp/auctex{/,style/}) and enter the
>  command M-x byte-compile-file for each one, giving the filename when
>  prompted. I'm sure that with a little foresight the procedure could have
>  been automated better. I guess you don't even have to byte-compile them
>  if you don't want.
>  
>  > Am I dreaming or is my request reasanable.

Not dreaming. And yes, a minor fix in the Makefile make things working
well.

Following is the patch you have to apply to the Makefile (from
auctex-9.4g). I used it to install the package (I faced to the very
same problem...).


<prof>diff -C1 Makefile.orig Makefile
*** Makefile.orig    Sat Mar 23 03:13:48 1996
--- Makefile        Mon Jul  1 15:02:53 1996
***************
*** 34,36 ****
  # Name of your emacs binary
! EMACS=emacs-19.30

--- 34,36 ----
  # Name of your emacs binary
! EMACS=xemacs

***************
*** 47,49 ****
  # Using emacs in batch mode.
! BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer

--- 47,49 ----
  # Using emacs in batch mode.
! BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -l lpath.el


Options seems not to be interpreted in the same way in Gnus Emacs and
in Xemacs. BTW -q it not needed. It is assumed when you use -batch.

Of course, don't forget to custom your tex-init file according to your
site. This has nothing to do with the patch...

Enjoy.

-- 
georges Brun-Cottan
projet SOR, INRIA, B.P. 105 Rocquencourt, 78153 Le Chesnay Cedex, France. 
Tel.: +33(1)39-63-54-26; Fax: +33(1)39-63-53-30; 
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From: thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm)
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Subject: font-lock-v2 (was Re: hilit19 vs font-lock)
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physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev) wrote:
>Rafael Laboissiere (rafael@cristal.icp.grenet.fr) wrote:

>: I decided to use hilit19 with XEmacs instead of font-lock-mode [...]
>: Could anybody, who knows both packages in depth,
>: provide a comparison between them?
>It seems that font-lock is preffered (more supported).
>It also seems that is faster.
>I have a feeling that both are equally capable but the regexps defs in
>font-lock is very pour to say the least. 
>It also seems that it would be easy to add more regexps [...]

To my knowledge, the hilit author, Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@hackvan.com>
made a beta hilit version (hlt319) and took over the development of both
packages. He mentioned that he would incorporate font-lock features in
hilit and rename the package to font-lock-v2. The package would not run
anymore under FSF emacs. I don't know, how far he came as I could not
use xemacs back then. The last version I saw was from Feb. 1995.
You could get the latest version from
ftp.netcom.com:/pub/st/stig/src/elisp/{Beta,Release}/hl319.el.gz
and there was a mailing list to which you could supscribe at
font-lock-v2-request@comsat.hackvan.com
Maybe someone has more accurate info about this?

Regards,
	Axel.
--
Axel Thimm <thimm@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de>
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From: Yusuf Goolamabbas <yusufg@krypton.iss.nus.sg>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Invisible font when logging in via dialup connection

Greetings,

I compiled XEmacs 19.14 for Sparc Solaris 2.4 with all the features
and set all the faces to look very nice when running under
X-Windows. Now I login from home using Telix under Windows-95/dos mode
and connect to my Unix box. I have a terminal setting of vt100 and use
white foreground over black background

Using  xemacs gives me an invisible font. However, xemacs -q works
very well.

I have a feeling that I need to disable the fancy font-lock when not
under X which I think I did by using the code in etc/sample.emacs. Is
there any ifdef like mechanism in e-lisp for loading of the file
~/.xemacs-options when using a vt100 setting

Would appreciate e-mail responses since newsfeed is very erratic

Thanks to all
Cheers, Yusuf

-- 
Yusuf Goolamabbas                              yusufg@iss.nus.sg
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From: lewikk@grasshopper.aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 okay under Solaris, Slow under SunOS
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I too noticed the slow cursor movement, but only under SunOS.  The
Solaris 2.5 build seems plenty fast (I built 19.14 for both targets
myself).

But I can't imagine why this would be the case.

19.14 under SunOS is too slow to be usable on my SPARC 5 (which I
consider a very sad thing).

Anyone have an idea why SunOS should make XEmacs slower?
-- 
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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In article <yzjpw6kf107.fsf@jaguar.visix.com> scotth@visix.com (Scott Hofmann) writes:
> >>>>> "AV" == Andrew Veliath <drewvel@pluto.ss.com> writes:
> 
> >>>>> Regarding 19.14 - its a dog; tkludy@segfault.engin.umich.edu
> >>>>> (Tom Kludy) adds:
> 
>  Tom> But the new release is terribly slow..  Any hints for
>  Tom> improved speed?  (short of upgrading my lowly 486/66.. can't
>  Tom> afford it)
> 
>  AV> Strangely enough on the opposite side of the spectrum it seems to work
>  AV> faster on my Linux box so far, and with garbage collection less
>  AV> noticable (and those long delays from 19.13).  Linux kernel 2.0/libc
>  AV> 5.3.12...
> 
> There seems to be a greater impact from loaded elisp packages.
> XEmacs can't keep up with my typing unless I run "xemacs -q", in
> which case the performance is good.

	It's also a good idea to turn on extra optimisation - I got
dramatically better performance by changing from "-O" to "-O3" on an
SS5 running SunOS4.1.3u1, using gcc 2.7.2.

	//Raymond.
-- 

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	Hi,
	The submenu:

Options/Printing Options/Command-line switches for 'lp/lpr'

dosen't work when the lpr-switches has been set to a list of strings
(instead of a simple string).

Changing the line

       ["Command-Line Switches for `lpr'/`lp'..."
	(setq lpr-switches
	      (read-stsring "Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " lpr-switches)))
	t]

in the file x-menubar.el, into

       ["Command-Line Switches for `lpr'/`lp'..."
	(setq lpr-switches
	      (read-expression "Switches for `lpr'/`lp': "
			       (format "%S" lpr-switches)))
	t]

seems to solve the problen. However, one has to re-by-compile and
reload xemacs for this to take effect.

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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In article <31D39C38.216D@lapp.in2p3.fr> Remi <lafaye@lapp.in2p3.fr> writes:
> i have successfully installed XEmacs 19.14 on my HP
> computer. I ve used the --dynamic option but the
> program size is still 11 Megabytes.
> (It seems still very big as XEmacs 19.13 was  only
> 4 Megabytes...)
> How can i decrease it even more?

	strip it - that should reduce it to about 4 MB...

	On an SS5 (Sun4m) running SunOS 4.1.3u1, compiled with gcc 2.7.2:

$ ls -l xemacs 
-rwxr-xr-x  2 etorwi   10010624 Jun 25 10:37 xemacs
$ strip xemacs 
$ ls -l xemacs 
-rwxr-xr-x  2 etorwi    4104192 Jul  1 16:04 xemacs


	//Raymond.
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From: Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu>
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I vave the feeling this is a FAQ but it wasn't in
http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html...

under Linux, my bash shell is set up to do color highlighting when
running under color_xterm for instance. in Xemacs-19.14 (and previous
versions), the shell mode will display the characters that, i think,
are relevant to the color highlight mechanisms anytime i do 'ls'... is
there a way to prevent this from happening? i think i just need to set
LS_OPTIONS to empty or something, no? can i add this to the shell mode
hook? any hint appreciated, thanks.

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The new Gnus is pretty spiffy, but a few things are throwing us for a loop.

  1. For whatever reason, inline image support is very slow on our system.
     This means that the Gnus splash screen takes a long time to come up.
     But there's no clear way to disable this.  

  2. We run a non-internet c-news based news system on our internal 
     network.  On this network, all we have is hostnames, no domain names,
     i.e.  'gse@fred'.  Gnus says "you seem to have a misconfigured system.  
     Really post?".  But even if I answer 'y', I get 'denied posting -- the
     From looks strange'.  Argh!  It appears that there's no way to defeat
     this checking without changing Gnus' code.

Ideas are welcome...



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From: Mike Thome <mthome@strong.bbn.com>
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The XEmacs elisp manual says that the expression "10." is not valid
read syntax.  Under 19.13, this was read as the symbol |10.| whereas
19.14 actually produces an error.  We have several problems with this:

1. In most Lisps, "10." is a perfectly valid integer, essentially
equivalent to "10".  It appears that XEmacs 19.14 is attempting to
conform to this standard and failing due to a bug in parse_integer (or
the interaction between parse_integer and read_atom).  Eg: "10" is
read as an integer 10, "10.0.0" is read as the symbol '10\.0\.0', but
"10." signals a reader error.  Comments in lread.c seem to indicate
that XEmacs is trying to do the right thing.

2. At the head of most source files which originated on a lisp
machine, you'll see something like:
;;; -*- Mode: LISP; Package: pci; Base: 10.; Default-character-style: (:SWISS :BOLD :NORMAL) -*-
19.14 now errors when opening any file which begins in this way (Maybe
this message will break a few mail readers - wouldn't that be fun?)

cheers,
	-mik
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Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
  pos-visible-in-window-p(1 #<window on "*Backtrace*" 0xf9f>)
  shrink-window-if-larger-than-buffer(#<window on "*Backtrace*" 0xf9f>)
  #<compiled-function (from "hyper-apropos.elc") (&optional symbol force 
type) "...(859)" [symbol hypropos-this-symbol type (function variable 
face) hypropos-currently-showing get-buffer hypropos-help-buf 
get-buffer-window force delete-windows-on hypropos-help-history 
major-mode hyper-help-mode get-buffer-create nil buffer-read-only 
erase-buffer alias-desc aliases obsolete doc val keys fndef macrop ftype 
desc beg ok standard-output insert-face format "`%s'\n\n" major-heading 
function fboundp t macro ",\nwhich is " "an alias for `%s'" subrp subr 
compiled-function-p bytecode autoload lambda commandp "interactive " (... 
... ... ...) "macro" ...] 14 "Toggle display of documentation for the 
symbol on the current line." nil>()
  call-interactively(hypropos-get-doc)


Repeat by:

start xemacs
turn line-number-mode on
C-h a lisp
move cursor to something and hit return.

This error occurs whenever there isn't already another window open.

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From: Pham Dinh-Tuan <phamtuan@puma.imag.fr>
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Subject: Re: ISO accents "electric mode" wanted
Date: 01 Jul 1996 17:14:44 +0200
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	Hi,
frick@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne K. Frick) writes:
> 
> Is there an electric mode for XEmacs like the FSF Emacs 'iso-accents' mode?

I would like to have this mode too. I just wonder if I can simply pick
the file iso-acc.el in the emacs distribution and recompile for
xemacs? Has anybody try that ?

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Subject: Telnet bug in 19.14, did not happen in 19.13
Reply-To: ilasic@BayNetworks.com

Hello,

        I am using precompiled xemacs binary for sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3. 

        If I open a telnet session (M-x telnet <IP_address>) then, after
        each CR (presing return) I get the message "Marker does not point
        anywhere".  Please give me some pointers how to solve this.        

        Thanks,

Igor

PS. Trace is below.


In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on gold



Signalling: (error "Marker does not point anywhere")
  rlogin-carriage-filter("\n")
  run-hook-with-args(rlogin-carriage-filter "\n")
  comint-send-input()
  #<compiled-function (from "telnet.elc") nil "...(47)" [get-buffer-process nil p2 p1 proc telnet-remote-echoes process-mark comint-eol-on-send marker-position comint-send-input] 3 nil nil>()
  call-interactively(telnet-send-input)

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After specifying toolbar on the left side and saving options, I brought up
xemacs again to find that a width the size of the toolbar was wiped out
on the right side (i.e., a blank mirror image of the left-sided toolbar).
The scrollbar was of course blanked out too. The problem was corrected only
by repositioning the toolbar to bottom and then back to left.

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Thoralf Polet MET wrote:
> 
> Reading the XEmacs Reference Manual I found some nice customisations.
> But I couldn't figure out how resp. where to set these resources.
> 
> The problem is : after changing the font XEmacs starts now with an
> unapropriate size.

Resources can be set either in your .Xdefaults (or however you call it) or using
the -xrm option upon invocation of xemacs. But, because you seem to be interested
in customizing fonts, the place to look at would be your .emacs file. I suppose
that there are several ways to skin the cat, but here is how I customized my
fonts:

First, I used Options/Font and Options/Size to select the font I want, and Options/Save
to save the font. If you do this, you will find that the new font works fine in Fundamental
mode, but that Syntax highlightning uses font sizes that obviously are not appropriate.
Next, you edit your ~/.emacs; near the end of this file, you'll find tons of lines of the
form
   (add-spec-list-to-specifier ..... 
and ending with a font specification. Edit those font specs to suit your taste. As a
guideline, look up a line that reads like
   (set-face-font 'default "-*-courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-72-72-*-*-iso8859-1")
This is the font you cusomized via the options menu.

> 
> BTW How do I customize my news server (different than the workstation
> on which my XEmacs runs) ?
> 

Sorry, don't know.

BTW: You'll probably get more and better responses if you post different topics under
different subject headings.


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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@ford.com>
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Subject: Line numbers on Mode Line
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 10:51:54 -0600
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Is there any way to display the line number of a file on the mode line?

-- 
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From: Mark Phillips <msp@bhl3h21.bnr.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Xemacs 19.14 - Crash due to SIGTRAP
Date: 01 Jul 1996 16:33:29 +0100
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Hi there,

I have a problem with XEmacs 19.14 running under hpux 9.05. The binary
was compiled using gcc 2.7.2 and gas 2.6.


XEmacs suddenly just disappears with a message to send in a bug report.

Initially the binary was compiled with "-O" and dynamically linked.

It is now dynamically linked and compiled with "-g -O" (see later for
details).

If I let XEmacs run and crash, then gdb reports the stack is full of
errno() frames..... BUT I get a more interesting/helpful situation if
I run XEmacs under gdb:-

If I run XEmacs under gdb, it all runs ok, except ever once in a
while it stops with a SIGTRAP. If I just "cont" all is well. If I let
gdb pass the SIGTRAP to XEmacs, then it barfs like in my original
problem (but with a good, though unhelpful stack trace) - Sorry I
haven't got the stack trace to hand, but it basically indicated that an
unexpected SIGTRAP was received, the question is where did it come
from?

I have tried doing
gdb xemacs
break signal
run

and it still happens, so it doesn't look like the main XEmacs binary
is sending the SIGTRAP, does anything else send a SIGTRAP to XEmacs?


Notes
=====

The latest version was compiled with "-g -O". After the rebuild I
re-linked temacs by hand to force dynamic linking (by default hp ld
disables dynamic linking if it sees -g") and ran another make to
redump.

Here is the configure line and the chatr output.

(linewraped so you can read it).
# ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux --with-gcc
 --prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/common
 --exec-prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05 --verbose
 --site-libraries=/vol/fsf.hp/HP9-7_A.09.05/lib
 --site-includes=/vol/fsf.hp/common/include --dynamic --cflags=-g -O
 --with-xface --with-xpm

chatr `which xemacs-19.14`
/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05/bin/xemacs-19.14: 
         shared executable 
         shared library dynamic path search:
             SHLIB_PATH     disabled  second 
             embedded path  disabled  first  Not Defined
         shared library list:
             static    temacs
             dynamic   /usr/lib/Motif1.2/libXm.sl
             dynamic   /usr/lib/X11R5/libXt.sl
             dynamic   /usr/lib/X11R5/libXext.sl
             dynamic   /usr/lib/X11R5/libX11.sl
             dynamic   /lib/libcurses.sl
             dynamic   /lib/libm.sl
             dynamic   /lib/libc.sl
         shared library binding:
             deferred 

Example gdb output
------------------
(gdb) run
Starting program: /vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05/bin/xemacs 
Breakpoint 1 at 0x7aff585c

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
0x7b014150 in select ()
(gdb) cont
Continuing.

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
0x7b01ada0 in read ()
(gdb) cont
Continuing.

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
0x7b022840 in ioctl ()
(gdb) cont
Continuing.



-- 
Mark Phillips
msp@nortel.co.uk

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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@ford.com>
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Subject: Tektronix WinDD/Xemacs Bug
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I have xemacs 19.13 running on a HP 700 with HP-UX 10.10 and 
when I start WinDD (a X-window connection to a Windows NT server)
Xemacs will crash. If I restart Xemacs after running WinDD, I get
hundreds of messages about Key Binding errors.

Any clues???

-- 
Michael Tennes

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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve VanDevender <stevev@tzadkiel.efn.org> writes:

Steve> Is there some way to keep XEmacs from eating up my entire
Steve> colormap?  All the colored doodads and inline images are great,
Steve> but now whenever I fire up XV it can't get any colors and ends
Steve> up displaying its control panel in monochrome mode.

Steve> It also seems like whatever image you first load ends up
Steve> setting a bunch of colorcells forever, so subsequent images
Steve> with different colormaps end up being dithered into
Steve> poor-fitting colors.

Since XV is smarter about these kinds of things than XEmacs is :-(,
try configuring it instead.  I use these Xdefaults:

xv*ownCmap: True
xv*driftKludge: -3 -23
xv*ninstall: True
xv*perfect: True

(The driftKludge is needed by olvwm).  You might then try setting
8-bit mode, and `lock current mode' from the xv `24/8 Bit' menu.

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: XEmacs-19.14: Viewing Graphics directly
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 18:37:37 -0700
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Hi there,

I wanted to be able to view graphics directly when loading a 
corresponding file. So I created a mode 'view-graph-mode' that is used 
for all .bmp .gif .xpm .jpg files. All it does is creating a new buffer 
'Graphics: xxx' and showing the glyph. The actual buffer is deleted 
automatically (who wants to see graphics as text???) and the 'Graphics:' 
buffer becomes the current one.

(defun view-graph-mode ()
  "Major mode for viewing graphic files as glyphs.
Author: Feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de
Version: 0.001 (alpha)  Date: 01 Jul 1996
Comments, suggestions, bug reports, etc. are welcome."
  (interactive)
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (let* ((file-name buffer-file-truename)
	 (old-buf-name (buffer-name ()))
	 (new-buf-name 
	  (generate-new-buffer-name (concat "Graphics: " old-buf-name)))
	 (IT (make-glyph-internal)))
    (kill-buffer old-buf-name)
    (switch-to-buffer new-buf-name)
    (setq major-mode 'view-graph-mode)
    (setq mode-name "VIEW-GRAPH")
    (set-glyph-property IT 'image file-name)
    (make-annotation IT nil 'text)))

Now there is one problem: the mode works ok, but I get an error message 
'Selecting deleted or non-existing buffer' when killing old-buf-name.
Is the upcoming buffer not available at this time? 'buffer-name' works 
ok. Are there any other (better) ways how to do that?

TIA for any hints,
Thomas

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Hi,

Am I wrong, or have I read here that GNUS (as supplied with 19.14) can be used
to read mail?

I can get the news interface up - but I don't have news access :-(  how do I get
the mail interface up? Where is the documentation?

And do the smilies work in mail buffers too?!

Thanks,
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> distribution bug.  Mailcrypt has dependencies
> on macros defined by Gnus, so you should probably rebytecompile
> mailcrypt if its .elcs are older than gnus'.

Many thanx.  Re-byte-compiling Mailcrypt's *.el did indeed fix the
problem with decryption.

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From: John Jones <jj@asu.edu>
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Subject: building XEmacs 19.14 with ultrix
Date: 01 Jul 1996 11:12:02 -0700
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Has anyone been able to build a working version of 19.14 for Ultrix?

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                                 John


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From: Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>
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Subject: Re: Adding font-lock definitions to dired mode
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SJ> == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>

 SJ> I still haven't ported all my font-lock stuff over, I'm still mulling
 SJ> over how I want to set tty's + X font-lock prefs cleanly (ie., a
 SJ> face-creation function that is as concise, while still as flexible,
 SJ> as hilit-lookup-face-create and allowed for multiple devices would be
 SJ> nice).

The following stuff might be useful; feel free to adapt from it.

I use it to get a black-on-gray modeline (with blue-on-gray mousable
zones) on X, and a white-on-black (i.e. vanilla "reverse video") modeline
on ttys.

The specifier mechanism in XEmacs is really really powerful, though it
takes some time to get your brain wrapped all the way around it.

(set-face-background 'modeline (list (cons 'x "Gray90")
				     (cons 'tty "black")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-buffer-id (list (cons 'x "black")
					       (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable (list (cons 'x "blue3")
					      (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode (list (cons 'x "blue3")
							 (cons 'tty "white")))

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IL> == I Lasic <ilasic@BayNetworks.com>

 IL> If I open a telnet session (M-x telnet <IP_address>) then, after each
 IL> CR (presing return) I get the message "Marker does not point
 IL> anywhere".  Please give me some pointers how to solve this.

There's a bug in 19.14 that causes line-number-mode to barf.  Try turning
off line-number-mode.  (I suspect a patch will be available fairly soon,
as some of the beta testers have been testing one.)

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>>>>> "Randy" == Randy R Lober <rrlober@sandia.gov> writes:

Randy> This seems to be a very ridiculous Q yet I've searched through
Randy> a large number of variable definitions, and I've hit countless
Randy> modes that can be font-locked including postscript, scheme,
Randy> etc.,

Randy> BUT I can't find a mode for csh or sh script editting - surely
Randy> someone has coded one up!?

M-x apropos sh.*mode
 ...
ksh-mode
  Command: ksh-mode 2.6 - Major mode for editing (Bourne, Korn or Bourne again)
 ...

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>>>>> "Lal" == Lal Samuel Varghese <lal@max.miel.mot.com> writes:

Lal> can i in any buffer query the face used for the character under
Lal> point?

Yes.  There are two methods:

(extent-face (extent-at (point)))

-or-

(memq 'face (text-properties-at (point)))

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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

Mark> What a huge mode. I LIKE IT.

Mark> But as always I have something to say!!  Does any one have the
Mark> dtd files needed to make this thing Netscape and Explorer html
Mark> friendly?

Mark> The last dtd I found was dated back to 1994. Since a lot of the
Mark> html spec dates after that I would like and update.

Hmmm.  I added the DTDs you're asking for, so I know they're there.

Look in etc/sgml:

html-3.2.dtd    <= Wilbur (Latest & Greatest)
iehtml.dtd	<= Internet Explorer DTD submitted to the html wg

iehtml-s.dtd	<= Internet Explorer Strict
ietables.dtd	<= Internet Explorer tables

htmlplus.dtd, html-3.dtd and html-netscape.dtd are also present.

Mark> Yet AGAIN fantastic work on XEmacs Guys.

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>>>>> "Julien" == Julien Maillard <maillard@vt.edu> writes:

Julien> I vave the feeling this is a FAQ but it wasn't in
Julien> http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html...

Nope.

Julien> under Linux, my bash shell is set up to do color highlighting
Julien> when running under color_xterm for instance. in Xemacs-19.14
Julien> (and previous versions), the shell mode will display the
Julien> characters that, i think, are relevant to the color highlight
Julien> mechanisms anytime i do 'ls'... is there a way to prevent this
Julien> from happening? i think i just need to set LS_OPTIONS to empty
Julien> or something, no? can i add this to the shell mode hook? any
Julien> hint appreciated, thanks.

Do a test in your .bashrc (or whatever) to ensure LS_OPTIONS does not
get set when the terminal type (TERM) is `emacs'.

something like this:

if [ $TERM = emacs ]; then
	unset LS_OPTIONS
fi

Also, make sure that you are not executing `ls -o' instead of plain ls.
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I've seen several posts saying that Xemacs cursor movement is slow.
I'm also seeing something similar to this behavior.

To reproduce:

   Start up xemacs with a -q and load a large file
   (lisp/prim/loaddefs.el), then hold C-v to page down for about half
   the file.  Release the key, the buffer continues to scroll, for
   about another 1/4 of the buffer.

Should a key-release event clear the keybuffer?  This would probably
fix the scroll-step=1 problem also.  (If you set scroll-step to 1
you'll also see a screen update slowness when scrolling up or down in
a buffer with C-p or C-n.)

Does everyone see this problem, or is it specific to X
implementations.  If you're not seeing this you're lucky, because it
makes using Xemacs intolerable, even with all the cool features.  I'd
like to figure out a way to make Xemacs "seem" faster.

I'm on a HP 712/60 32M, and I've configured xemacs with as little as
possible.

./configure --run-in-place --cflags="-g -Xlinker -a -Xlinker\
archive_shared -O3 -mschedule=7100" --with-sound=no\
--site-includes=/usr/contrib/X11R5/include\
--site-libraries=/usr/contrib/X11R5/lib

P.S.  I also see slowness when typing (xemacs doesn't display char's
as fast as I can type, I have to sit back for a few seconds to let the
display catch up), but I haven't been able to figure out how to
reproduce it (yet).

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>>>> Thus spake 'Kevin K Lewis' (KKL):

 KL> I too noticed the slow cursor movement, but only under SunOS.  The Solaris
 KL> 2.5 build seems plenty fast (I built 19.14 for both targets myself).

 KL> But I can't imagine why this would be the case.

Are they both running the same versions of X?

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>>>>> "ckd" == Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

DH> == D Holden <phd85@cc.keele.ac.uk>
DH> The Sunos4.1.3 precompiled binaries dont seem to be able to do name
DH> lookup?

ckd> That's correct.  Since Sun figured that everyone used NIS to do name
ckd> lookups (that DNS thing was apparently only a passing fad, right?), the
ckd> stock SunOS 4.x systems don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.

ckd> (That's why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.)

ckd> The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
ckd> check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then proceed to
ckd> link against the DNS resolver library code.

ckd> [Steve Baur: does this belong in the FAQ yet?  Aaaarggggh.]

This was a common, nagging problem 7 years ago (when I last
administered a SunOS network), you mean it still isn't fixed?  ;-)

It was already documented in the Gnus FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html#Q1_9

And it's now in the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html#Q2_0_11

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SLB> == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>

 SLB> This was a common, nagging problem 7 years ago (when I last
 SLB> administered a SunOS network), you mean it still isn't fixed?  ;-)

It's as fixed as I can make it in BIND 4.9.4.  Since Emacs and XEmacs are
normally statically linked (due to potential weirdness between dumped
executables and shared libraries), they can't be fixed as easily.

(Though last time I tried, you could dynamically link XEmacs on
SunOS...but that was 19.12 or so.  I stopped trying because the shared Xpm
lib was only on half the machines, and it was easier to just statically
link the bloody thing.)

 SLB> It was already documented in the Gnus FAQ:
 SLB> 	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html#Q1_9

 SLB> And it's now in the XEmacs FAQ:
 SLB> 	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html#Q2_0_11

Great, thanks!  (PS: thanks for all the work you've done on those FAQs.)

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I've compiled succesfull xemacs 19.14 on a
RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 machine, but the binary is
15059905 bytes. That's too big.
Is it possible to strip this binary without problems
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Thanks in advance.

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Hi,

I 'd like to use XEmacs 19.14 as a debugger frontend for gdb, too.
I can start gdb by the corresponding menu item, but how can I select
the source file to debug. I think this file should be displayed in a
seperate frame. The buttons in the toolbar in the gdbsrc-mode are active
in the debugger frame, but I always get an error-message when I press
one of them.

Thanks for your advices in advance.

Normen Seemann
Student at University of Rostock

P.S.: If I have to type in difficult key-combinations, please remail
      also the key-sequences.

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On Dec alpha 3.2, If I fontify a certain html file xemacs crashes.
Problem seems to be with GNU regex on parsing comments that end in just '>'.
It will crash on a file that looks like:
<HTML>
<!-- comment
This is a comment
>
more stuff

It will NOT crash on the following:
<HTML>
<!-- comment
This is a comment
-->
more stuff

Traceback from gdb:
emacs.c:193		kill (getpid(),fatal_error_code);
re_match_internal (bufp=0x140176660, string1=0x0, size1=0,
                   string2=0x12000 "looks like the whole file :-)",
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at regex.c:4718

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palme@wrcs3.urz.uni-wuppertal.de (Hubert Palme) writes:

> By the way: Xemacs is the only distribution where I found the the
> gnuserv stuff. I found it in the canonical GNU server's DESCRIPTIONS
> file but not on the server itself. Is there another "official" server
> for that stuff?

>From Wednesday, the official place will be:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/gnuserv

 
> ======================================================================
> Hubert Palme         Bergische Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Wuppertal
>                                       Computing  Center
>                                       D-42097 Wuppertal
> Email: palme@uni-wuppertal.de             (Germany)
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In article <199607010240.TAA05321@cherryflower.or.us> "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

> (insert (format "\n%s" display-time-junk-mail-checklist))

(There's no need to (insert(format)) it. Just use C-u C-x C-e.)

> ((\(from\)+\|\(sender\)+\|\(to\)+\|\(cc\)+ debian drscheme fresco
> gcl@cli.com gwm-talk lyx oo-browser plug*northwest teleport ilisp lclint
> mklinux plt-tools))

Looking at the doc for the variable, this seems wrong. Here's the value
that I use for display-time-junk-mail-checklist:
(("From" "Vladimir Alexiev" "vladimir\\([^@]\\|@cs\\.ualberta\\.ca\\)")
 ("To" "ISAPI-L")) 

> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
>  mail-extract-address-components("Timothy Brown <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")

This is very strange. I don't get such an error:
(mail-extract-address-components "Timothy Brown <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")
-> ("Timothy Brown" "tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au")

In fact the source of that function doesn't contain anything like :-pos
(and no wonder, this is a pretty wicked name for a variable!). Do you find
anything like that in the source? Here's the header of the file that I
have:

;;; mail-extr.el --- extract full name and address from RFC 822 mail header.
;; Copyright (C) 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Author: Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
;; Maintainer: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@lucid.com>
;; Version: 1.8

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In article <ETORWI.96Jul1160605@CB.eto.ericsson.se> etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond) writes:

> $ ls -l xemacs 
> -rwxr-xr-x  2 etorwi   10010624 Jun 25 10:37 xemacs
> $ strip xemacs 
> $ ls -l xemacs 
> -rwxr-xr-x  2 etorwi    4104192 Jul  1 16:04 xemacs

Wow, I didn't know that "strip" program was so slow: 7 days to strip 7 Mb.
I've seen strippers do it slowly, but this is just too much.  :-)

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In article <9607011456.AA08486@ocsystems.com> gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:

>  'denied posting -- the From looks strange'
Reduce the number of checks in gnus-check-before-posting, whose default
value is (subject-cmsg multiple-headers sendsys message-id from long-lines
control-chars size new-text signature)                     ^^^^

>  "you seem to have a misconfigured system. Really post?"
Is this the exact error message? I grepped for "misconfigured" and
"mis-configured" in the sources and found nothing (but my version is a bit
old, 5.0.15)

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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VM (XEmacs 19.13) (used to) append a signature file to outgoing mail
when 'mail-insert-signature' was true.

VM (XEmacs 19.14) does not append the signature file under the same
conditions.

Is there a new variable that needs to be set to automatically append
signature to mail sent ?

TIA.
PS: Please mail a copy of your reply to the address below.
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palme@wrcs3.urz.uni-wuppertal.de (Hubert Palme) writes:

> When byte compiling, I get the message 
> 
> 1 1996
>   ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
>     this-single-command-keys, read-event
> 
> But it seems to work. Any hints?

Before ever invoking these functions, they are tested for
existence. They are defined in Emacs 19.31, but not in XEmacs. I don't
know how to prevent these messages from being displayed :-(

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From: Sean Levy <snl@cs.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: RELEASE BUG: XEmacs 19.14 Alpha DU 3.2C Binary Distribution
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I've been running the binary from the binary Digital Unix 3.2c binary
distribution that I grabbed off of the FTP.AI.MIT.EDU mirror a few days
ago.

The symptom to my problem was that vc-workfile-unchanged-p was always
wrong (it never thought a working file had changed). After much grumbling,
and having actually lost changes to an important file because it reverted
a buffer behinid my back (should've paid more attn there), I found the
answer: call-process (actually, call-process-internal) always returns
zero, regardless of the exit status of the inferior. Another binary,
compiled locally from source on the same platform, does not exhibit the
problem. To see if you have the problem, try this:

  % cat - >/tmp/exit1
  #/bin/sh
  exit 1
  ^D
  % chmod +x /tmp/exit1

Then, from inside xemacs (say, in the *scratch* buffer), evaluate
  (call-process "/tmp/exit1" nil t nil "")
if you have the bug, it will return 0 instead of 1, the correct result.

I don't know if other binary distributions have this problem.

Cheers,
					-- Sean
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Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:
> P.S.  I also see slowness when typing (xemacs doesn't display char's
> as fast as I can type, I have to sit back for a few seconds to let the
> display catch up), but I haven't been able to figure out how to
> reproduce it (yet).
> 


I was seeing this alot to the point that it was unusable.   
When I turned everything off in my .emacs file it went away.
I then started to slow reenabling features in my .emacs
file until it started happening again and I narrowed down
the problem in my case to func-menu.   Turn off func-menu
and it goes away.


--------------------------------------------------------
 David Wojtowicz, Research Programmer/Systems Manager
 Department of Atmospheric Sciences Computer Services
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sbecuwe@uia.ac.be (Stefan.Becuwe) writes:

> Using xemacs 19.12, running `make install' produces a lot of .elc files
> in the style directory. The command is (according to the Makefile)
> xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
> ... all the files in the style directory ...
> Why doesn't 19.14 produce any .elc files?

i have no idea about *why* it happens (it didn't happen in 19.13)
but you can get around it by putting "-l" before "lpath.el" in 
the make command like this:

xemacs -batch -q -l lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile
		 ^^

hope this helps.

--
antti



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In article <wjyraqzon14.fsf@cssun3.corp.mot.com>,

>     Keith> I've noticed that the binary for 19.14 is twice as large (11MB) as
>     Keith> the 19.13 binary.
> 
> That caught my eye as well.

The precompiled linux binary had the symbol table still attached.  I did a
strip <binary name> and it shrunk from 10ish MB to around 3.5.

Matt

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>>>>> "SK" == Sean Kellner <skellner@moe1.occ.uc.edu> writes:

SK> OK, I saw that one in the docs. How about grabbing mail from
SK> multiple places?

nnmail-spool-file can be a single maildrop, or a list of maildrops
including exactly one POP server.  The limitation is because the
movemail program is somewhat braindead, as it gets the hostname of the
POP server from the MAILHOST environment variable, which cannot be
overridden by the command line.

When I get some free time I am going to rip apart Kyle's vm-pop and
build a more portable, generic POP client for Emacs.

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Is it possible to plot the coordinates of each point plotted ?  Gnuplot
3.5 (Pre 3.6)

TIA.
PS:  Please mail a copy of reply to the address below.
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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I have the very same problems. 

Any solutions ?
-- 
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Linux: Slackware 3.0 upgraded to Linux 2.0, all other programs work well.
Xemacs: 19.14 Linux ELF binary libaw.so dynamic linked and Motif statically
loaded.

Problem: no color for language modes.  For example c, c++, etc. There are
colors on the status line.

Thanks if  anyone  can point out  how to solve  it.

- Chan


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From: budr@tanet.net (Bud Rogers)
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I've taken the liberty of reposting this.  I had been working a
problem with our outgoing newsfeed, and I'm not sure the original ever
left our news server.  If this is redundant, my apologies...



I recently downloaded the source for xemacs 19.13.  I followed the
installation instructions carefully, and it seemed to compile and
install without error.  Still, I can't get it to run.  I'm running
linux 1.2.13 on a 486.

If I run xemacs from the command line, as soon as it comes up the
minibuffer says:

Wrong type argument: syntax-table-p []

If I give any keyboard input, the program exits immediately, with the
following lines:

Fatal error (6)
Your files have been auto-saved.
IOT trap/Abort

If I run the program from within X, the screen comes up with the same
error message in the minibuffer.  If I click on any of the drop down
menu items, it only beeps.  If I click on any of the toolbar icons,
the program exits immediately with the following error:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file elhash.c, line 112 gc_in_progress
Fatal error (6)
Your files have been auto-saved.

I've been working my way through the abundant documentation, but so
far have found nothing to shed light on my problem.  Could someone
give a newbie a few pointers on where to look?



--
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Linux sysadmin in training -- all advice appreciated.

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Seems that one must first require make-mode for it to fontify a makefile.
I get error: about makefile-space-face being void.
if I do (load-library "make-mode") it works.

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com> writes:

Scott> The new Gnus is pretty spiffy, but a few things are throwing us
Scott> for a loop.

Scott>   1. For whatever reason, inline image support is very slow on
Scott>      our system.  This means that the Gnus splash screen takes
Scott>      a long time to come up.  But there's no clear way to
Scott>      disable this.

About the only way to disable it is to delete the logo file
(etc/gnus/gnus.xbm or etc/gnus/gnus.xpm).  You probably ought to be
able to set a flag to avoid the logo if you really want to.

Scott>   2. We run a non-internet c-news based news system on our
Scott>      internal network.  On this network, all we have is
Scott>      hostnames, no domain names, i.e.  'gse@fred'.  Gnus says
Scott>      "you seem to have a misconfigured system.  Really post?".
Scott>      But even if I answer 'y', I get 'denied posting -- the
Scott>      From looks strange'.  Argh!  It appears that there's no
Scott>      way to defeat this checking without changing Gnus' code.

You are correct.

-- 
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 MORIOKA Tomohiko)
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>>>>> In <x7hgrz3a10.fsf@hoopoe.psc.edu> 
>>>>>	Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> wrote:

Peter> Hi, I have two questions regarding displaying X-Faces in 19.14:

Peter> 1) How do I add a header in Gnus 5.2?  I used to know how to do
Peter>    this, but cannot find it at all documented in the info file.

  One way is MH level setting. Write X-face field into components,
replcomps and forwcomps. Another way is mh-e setting.

	(setq mh-compose-letter-function
	      (lambda (to subject cc)
		(mh-insert-fields "X-Face:" "<Your X-Face string>")
		))

Peter> 2) Can one display X-Faces inline while reading mail with mh-e?

  tm-mh-e supports inline X-Face feature for XEmacs and MULE. It is
available at:


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  It is available from

	ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/beta/	(Japan)

or its mirrors

	ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/beta/	(Japan)
	ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/beta/	(US)

Or following site is available in Europe:

	ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/

If you know another mirrors, in particular in Europe, please teach me.


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  Regards,
-- 
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Morioka Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>
(`Morioka' is my family name, `Tomohiko' is my personal name.)
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From: Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com>
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Mark Phillips <msp@bhl3h21.bnr.co.uk> writes:

> If I run XEmacs under gdb, it all runs ok, except ever once in a
> while it stops with a SIGTRAP. If I just "cont" all is well. If I let
> gdb pass the SIGTRAP to XEmacs, then it barfs like in my original
> problem (but with a good, though unhelpful stack trace) - Sorry I
> haven't got the stack trace to hand, but it basically indicated that an
> unexpected SIGTRAP was received, the question is where did it come
> from?

Spurious SIGTRAPs are due to a bug in gdb for hpux.  They occur when
the program receives a signal (eg: SIGTRAP) on a nullified instruction.

Here is an unsupported patch to gdb that I believe fixes the SIGTRAP 
problem on hpux9 in gdb 4.15.  May also work against gdb 4.16.
I have been informed this problem has been fixed in a different
way in next gdb (4.17)

*** /tmp/geta5395	Wed Apr 24 13:08:11 1996
--- tm-hppa.h	Wed Apr 24 13:07:49 1996
***************
*** 216,225 ****
  
  #define DO_REGISTERS_INFO(_regnum, fp) pa_do_registers_info (_regnum, fp)
  
! /* PA specific macro to see if the current instruction is nullified. */
! #ifndef INSTRUCTION_NULLIFIED
! #define INSTRUCTION_NULLIFIED ((int)read_register (IPSW_REGNUM) & 0x00200000)
! #endif
  
  /* Number of bytes of storage in the actual machine representation
     for register N.  On the PA-RISC, all regs are 4 bytes, including
--- 216,244 ----
  
  #define DO_REGISTERS_INFO(_regnum, fp) pa_do_registers_info (_regnum, fp)
  
! /* PA specific macro to see if the current instruction is nullified.
!    NOTE: We always report back that it is not nullified.
!    
!    If the instruction was nullified, then we patch the pc queues to
!    skip over it.  This is much less complicated than the resume(1, 0)
!    that gdb would do if we actually reported a nullified instruction.
! 
!    Based on the mach INSTRUCTION_NULLIFIED in tm-hppao.h  */
! #define INSTRUCTION_NULLIFIED \
! (({ \
!     int ipsw = (int)read_register(IPSW_REGNUM); \
!     if (ipsw & PSW_N)  \
!       { \
!         int pcoqt = (int)read_register(PCOQ_TAIL_REGNUM); \
!         int pcsqt = (int)read_register(PCSQ_TAIL_REGNUM); \
!         write_register(PCOQ_HEAD_REGNUM, pcoqt); \
!         write_register(PCOQ_TAIL_REGNUM, pcoqt + 0x4); \
!         write_register(PCSQ_HEAD_REGNUM, pcsqt); \
!         write_register(PCSQ_TAIL_REGNUM, pcsqt); \
!         write_register(IPSW_REGNUM, ipsw & ~(PSW_N | PSW_B | PSW_X)); \
!         stop_pc = pcoqt; \
!       } \
!    }), 0) 
  
  /* Number of bytes of storage in the actual machine representation
     for register N.  On the PA-RISC, all regs are 4 bytes, including

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: BUG:reportmail,bbdb,mail-extract-address-components:(wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
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>>>>> "Vladimir" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

    >> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
    >> mail-extract-address-components("Timothy Brown
    >> <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")

    Vladimir> This is very strange. I don't get such an error:
    Vladimir> (mail-extract-address-components "Timothy Brown
    Vladimir> <tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au>")
    -> ("Timothy Brown" "tbrown@pd32.pd.uwa.edu.au")

    Vladimir> In fact the source of that function doesn't contain
    Vladimir> anything like :-pos (and no wonder, this is a pretty
    Vladimir> wicked name for a variable!). Do you find anything like
    Vladimir> that in the source? Here's the header of the file that I
    Vladimir> have:

    Vladimir> ;;; mail-extr.el --- extract full name and address from
    Vladimir> RFC 822 mail header.  ;; Copyright (C) 1991, 1992, 1993,
    Vladimir> 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.  ;; Author: Joe
    Vladimir> Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu> ;; Maintainer: Jamie Zawinski
    Vladimir> <jwz@lucid.com> ;; Version: 1.8

8<--------------------
;;; mail-extr.el --- extract full name and address from RFC 822 mail header.

;; Copyright (C) 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
;; Maintainer: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
;; Version: 1.8
;; Keywords: mail

;; This file is part of XEmacs.
8<--------------------
 I ran grep in the utils directory, for ':-pos' on all the .el files,
and it's not there anywhere.  There is a 'colon-pos though.  This is
beyond my current level, I'm not much help right now.

 xemacs -q and the error is still there.  I have no clue.  When I get
to learning how to use a debugger, I will try again.  For now I'll use
the standard (display-time) function.

-- 
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From: quinn@hk.super.net (David Quinn)
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Subject: Re: 19.14 on Linux 1.2.13 compile problems
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In article <m2raqxm981.fsfcorpus@uni-muenster.de>,
	Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
>  ...
> 
> In order to give you a broad guideline, I attached the output of "ldd
> `which xemacs`" to this message. It will tell you the version numbers
> of all the libraries that I have installed for XEmacs 19.14.

...

> 	libpng.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.1.0.88
> 	libz.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.0.2

...

> Let me know if you still have problems after successful installation
> of the new libaries.


Let me just say "amen" ... I had libpng.so.1.0.71 and xemacs did not link.
(I have linux kernel 2.0.0 by the way)
I thought it was up to date enough because it was from the SRPM in the main
area on ftp.redhat.com (first thing I tried to fix my link problem was
installing the current RPM) ... but nope!

I got the new release of libgr from the homesite
ftp://ftp.ctd.comsat.com/pub/linux/ELF

which actually creates an even newer version called libpng.so.1.0.2  ...
and now everything is just ducky!

David


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>>>>> "Marc" == Marc Fleischeuers <marc@mpi.nl> writes:

Marc> True. So I guess it's my own fault that I mainly mess with
Marc> preloaded and built-in functions.

Why dont you use tags? The tags facility is a sort of precompiled
grep, only that it is well supported within emacs and knows quite a
bit about functions and variables, both in elisp and C.

It is documented in the emacs online manual.


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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
Date: 02 Jul 1996 17:29:32 +1200
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Adrian Aichner <aichner@ecf.teradyne.com> writes:

> Gail Mara Gurman wrote:
> > Thanks for showing the picture, but where can we get the package?
> 
> psgml is part of XEmacs-19.14 and lives under
>  .../lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/psgml/

Unfortunately some of us (i.e. me) are stuck with 19.13, because
"19.13 is big enough and slow enough, so what will 19.14 be like?"
(paraphrased) I think I can find space to install one more package,
but I might be pushing it to install 19.14, so can we get the package
separately?

BTW, how much bigger and slower is 19.14 than 19.13?

-- 
   Carey Evans  <*>  <URL:http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~carey/>
     carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz c.evans@student.canterbury.ac.nz

"Yea, from the table of my memory, I'll wipe away all trivial fond records."

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Though I'm new to XEmacs I got the X version running fine and dandy on
my Linux 2.0.0/RedHat 3.0.3 box.  Wishing also for a version without
any X support compiled in (like the emacs-nox RPM that comes with
RedHat) I built one using

./configure i586-Micron-linux --with-x=no --cflags="-g -O3"
--with-sound=native

When I run the resulting binary (renamed 'xemacs-nox') and attempt to
view the NEWS file with C-h n, I get

	Invalid image-instantiator format: xbm

Similarly, when I use M-x man, I see

	Symbol's value as variable is void: scrollbar-height

I get neither error with 'xemacs -nw'.

Here follows output from 'ldd `which xemacs-nox`'.

	libncurses.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.2.0
	libgdbm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0
	libdb.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdb.so.2.0.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.5
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Any advice would be appreciated.
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could please someone explain to me, in X11 terms, what
happens when i call (make-frame-invisible)?

feel free to include source code fragments...

tia
			gb

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From: Andy Newman <andy@research.canon.com.au>
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Subject: 19.14 kill-process...it doesn't
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Sunos 4.1.4, gcc 2.7.2, X11r5, Xemacs 19.14 and kill-process
doesn't kill the process. Any clues?
--
Andy Newman <andy@research.canon.com.au> (Not a Canon spokesperson)

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
> Bernward Bretthauer <brett@pille.es.go.dlr.de> writes:
> 
> > The header of this messages says it all:
> > Message-ID is w534tnxhawk.fsf@pille.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me,
> > and the domain name is missing in the "From:" line. I have hand-edited 
> > the "From:" line, otherwise GNUS refuses to send this article.
> > 
> > I have a SUN Solaris 2.5 system, the command "/bin/hostname" gives "pille"
> > and "/bin/domainname" gives "es.go.dlr.de". Both is correct.
> > So why does GNUS say, my system is misconfigured?
> 
> Because `(system-name)' doesn't return a fully qualified domain name.

Why?  is system-name not working or what?

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From: Jacob de Bree <debree@radth.ruu.nl>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Startup error

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme

The first time XEmacs is started and every time a new frame is opened
XEmacs generates the following warning:

Warning: 
    FetchUnitType: bad widget class

Warning: 
    FetchUnitType: bad widget class

The machine is a Silicon Graphics Indy running IRIX 5.3.

--
Jacob de Bree, Department of Radiotherapy, University Hospital Utrecht,
     Heidelberglaan 100, 3584 CX  Utrecht, The Netherlands
     E-mail: J.deBree@radth.ruu.nl  Phone: +31 30 2508284  Fax: +31 30 2581226 

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In article <31D8022A.D9F@ford.com>,
	Michael Tennes <mtennes@ford.com> writes:
> Is there any way to display the line number of a file on the mode line?
> 
Yes, you should load column.el in your .emacs with:
(load-library "column")
(display-column-mode t)

/joachimr

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Neal Becker <neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com> writes:

> No.  Xemacs uses it's own malloc.

Only if you configure it at compile time to do so.

-- 
					Guillaume

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In article <DtnAoz.EE2@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com>,
Allen M. Cohen <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> wrote:
>As I mentioned earlier, even on a 32 MB ULTRIX 4.3 machine, when I compile
>and run XEmacs 19.14, I get a "memory exhausted" error when trying to bring up
>the toolbar. 
>...

If it's any consolation, you're not alone. I've had the same problem
even after trying these compile variations: gcc vs native cc,
--use-system-malloc, no optimize + debug + --debug +
--error-checking=all.

Scott Harris
csharris@netcom.com

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: menubar "Options -> Printing Options -> Command_Line Switches..."

does not work

here it is (sorry for long lines)

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  read-from-minibuffer("Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " ("-draw") #<keymap minibuffer-local-map 14 entries 0x4b8> nil nil)
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BUT lpr-switches is a list of strings, not a string itself, so a patch
is needed

ciao
				gb


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>>>>> "AMC" == Allen M Cohen <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> writes:

    AMC> Seems that one must first require make-mode for it to fontify
    AMC> a makefile.  I get error: about makefile-space-face being
    AMC> void.  if I do (load-library "make-mode") it works.

	  It needs a strange Makefile to tickle the bug.

in make-mode.el:

   ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
   ;; since these can fool people.
   '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)

   should be:

   ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
   ;; since these can fool people.
   '("^\t+#" . makefile-space-face)

	Paul.

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Found this in comp.os.linux.announce, talked to the poster, and he asked
me to forward this to the xemacs community.  So here it is.

~kzm

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From: "Cesar A. Rorato Crusius" <crusius@lcmi.ufsc.br>
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 with OffiX drag and drop
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XEmacs 19.14 is now OffiX compatible !!

Thanks to Savin Zlobec <savin@torina.fer.uni-lj.si> now XEmacs
can support drops from OffiX compatible applications.
You just have to apply a patch to XEmacs-19.14 sources and recompile
it. XEmacs can be found at

http://www.xemacs.org

The patch to make XEmacs accept drag-and-drop is at

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/Incoming/xemacs-19.14_offix.diff.gz

And the OffiX distribution (you will need the DND library) can
be found at

http://gutenberg.lcmi.ufsc.br/OffiX

With the offix distribution you will also find an OffiX compatible
file manager - this means you will be able do drag files from the file
manager and drop them into xemacs. There are also a print tool and a
trash can that are OffiX compatible.

- -- 
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From: Trifunovski Vineto <euavti@uab.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "simon" == simon goland <sg@orby.mda.ca> writes:
> 
> simon> Hi,
> simon> I am presently looking for a HTML editor for a SunOS platform.
> simon> Someone did mention version 19.14 as being an excellent HTML
> simon> editor. I did not see many details in the Xemacs FAQ.
> 
> It contains built-in validation (never, never use an HTML editor that
> doesn't validate).  It recognizes HTML 3.2 (Wilbur), it has wonderful
> font-locking colors:
>         http://www.miranova.com/~steve/wingpsgml-mode.gif
> 
> It works out of the box.  It's a lot of fun to use.  It has context
> sensitive keyword and tag insertion by mouse & menu.
> 
> The only real complaint I have with it is that the default templates
> are lame, but that's easily corrected ...
> --
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.
> Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone
> except you in November.

Is it possible to hide tags, so you can get your HTML page in some kind
of "What You See is What You Get" mode, to see the result ?

/Vineto

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Trifunovski Vineto <euavti@uab.ericsson.se> writes:

> Is it possible to hide tags, so you can get your HTML page in some
> kind of "What You See is What You Get" mode, to see the result ?

M-x w3-preview-this-buffer

:-)

Glenn.

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From: david@hk.super.net (artichoke)
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Well OK I got xemacs compiled and it seems to work on the basic things
I have tried it with ... but it doesn't have all the dynamic lib links
Markus has in his bin.  I have an ELF system with linux 2.0.0 kernel.

I configured with 

[root@artichoke xemacs-19.14]# ./configure --with-gcc --cflags="-O2 \
-mpentium -L/usr/X11/lib -L/usr/lib/X11 -I/usr/X11/include \
-I/usr/include/X11" --with-gnu-make --dynamic --with-menubars=lucid \
--with-dialogs=motif --with-sound=native i586-gnu-linux \
--x-includes=/usr/X11/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11/lib

so no libs should have been missed.  I have motif 1.2.4 .

On the finished binary I have:

[root@artichoke /etc]# ldd -r /usr/local/bin/xemacs
        libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
        libpng.so.1 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.1.0.2
        libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1.0.2
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
        libncurses.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.2.0
        libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.0
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

which leaves out many libs that Markus had.  Of the missing-in-action,
looking for symbols with nm reveals:

libXm libXpm libXmu libXt static linked

libSM libICE libXext don't show up at all.

Any clues?  All these libs that are missing are in /lib (libXm) or in
/usr/X11/lib (everything else) and should have been found.

I don't get link errors, and all of _missing_ libs (libSM,
libICE, libXext) have the same numbers as Markus' .. they are all
.so.6.0 .  Also libXmu and libXt are the same version.  

The only differences between our libs:

I have libXpm.so.4  (not libXpm.so.3 as you do -- I don't even know anyone
who has libXpm.so.3!) and libXm.so.1.2.4 rather than libXm.so.2



David

 

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From: Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com>
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Subject: Re: Some Gnus questions
Date: 02 Jul 1996 08:24:51 -0400
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> In article <9607011456.AA08486@ocsystems.com> gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:
> 
> >  'denied posting -- the From looks strange'
> Reduce the number of checks in gnus-check-before-posting, whose default
> value is (subject-cmsg multiple-headers sendsys message-id from long-lines
> control-chars size new-text signature)                     ^^^^

The following seem to work for me:

(setq mail-host-address "FQDN")
(setq user-mail-address "me@FQDN")

> >  "you seem to have a misconfigured system. Really post?"
> Is this the exact error message? I grepped for "misconfigured" and
> "mis-configured" in the sources and found nothing (but my version is a bit
> old, 5.0.15)

This is in message.el in v5.2.5.
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From: Markus Gebhardt <magebhar@si.bosch.de>
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Subject: endless recursions when compiling Xemacs19.14 under Linux
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Hi,

I got me the Xemacs19.14 sources and tried to compile them with Linux
1.2.13, gcc 2.7.0 and make 3.74 (with patch).

./configure runs fine, and the Makefile seems so, too.

But after a "make" or "make all" it starts again with
"creating Makefile"
"creating lib-src/Makefile.in"
...
"creating lib-src/Makefile"
...
"creating Makefile"        
...and so on... and on...

I tried several ./configure options, used different directories etc.,
even deleted the whole xemacs tree and unpacked it again.

Do I need a special version of make? Or are there other incompabilities
not mentioned in "INSTALL" and "PROBLEMS"?

Thanks in advance,
Markus

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From: Johann Friedrich Heinrichmeyer <jfh@es-sun2.fernuni-hagen.de>
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Subject: give me emacs-19.31 rmail in xemacs ...
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Btw.: the only way i found to save mail within VM to a new folder was
first to touch one outside of xemacs ..

In my opinion VM is only useable for small traffic, not so much folders
etc. I really like xemacs and rmail as in gnu-emacs. The conversion
from and to RMAIL format works great in gnu emacs. In this way created
folders are the only folders for VM i was able to create automatically
.. 

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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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Subject: movement events going to different frames
Date: 02 Jul 1996 09:09:50 -0400
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I don't think I'm imagining this.  I run typically with several frames
open on the screen.  Occasionally it seems that the C-v and M-v key
strokes fall onto the other frame.  I'll have focus in one frame, type
C-v and see the other frame scroll-up.  

Has anyone else expierenced this?


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Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

> On my system, the best font to use  is Adobe Courier 12 pt. However,
> the  italic  version  of the  font  is  computed and  does  not look
> good. There is an  oblong font that looks  much better, but GNUS and
> other packages try to  create an italic  version of the normal  base
> font (disregarding   the default italic   setting).  I've edited the
> appropriate   fonts.dir  file  so  italic  Courier  uses  the oblong
> definition. What have other's done? Are there better fonts?

I've found a way to make XEmacs use the bitmapped Courier fonts only.
Here are the relavant lines from my .Xdefaults:

Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont:  -adobe-courier-medium-o-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

Hope this helps.

-- 
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From: Krishna Vedati <vedati@pacorp.com>
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vedati@localhost.nando.net () writes:

 
 I am trying to display xemacs-19.14 on a color-xterm ( whose background is
 white) . XEmacs recognizes that it is a color-xterm and displays colors but it
 makes the background color black even when the original color-xterm background
 color is white. Here are my NXTerm defaults on my LINUX box.
 		
 nxterm*color0:           Black
 nxterm*color1:           Red
 nxterm*color2:           Green
 nxterm*color3:           Yellow
 nxterm*color4:           Blue
 nxterm*color5:           Magenta
 nxterm*color6:           Cyan
 nxterm*color7:           White
 nxterm*background:       White
 nxterm*foreground:       Black
 
 
 Most other applications work fine using these color-xterm defaults. Is there a
 resource I need to set inside my .emacs so that xemacs does not blacken out my
 screen after it starts up.
 
 
 Please CC your replies vedati@PACorp.com
 

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In article <DtqtGD.2CJ@world.std.com>,
Jonathan Edwards <edwards@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <Dtq4Gt.AuL@world.std.com>,
>Jonathan Edwards <edwards@world.std.com> wrote:
>
>>Hard to believe compiler optimization leads to a >10 times slowdown. Something
>>is broken.
>>
>>But if you can disprove this I would be quite pleased.
>
>I am pleased :-)
>
>Got off my duff and built from source, using IBM's compiler (reputedly smokes
>gcc) with full-bear optimization and tuned for my processor model. The
>test that used 10% CPU on 19.13 and 100% on the precompiled 19.14 is now
>15%. Most importantly, it is fast enough to no longer be annoying.
>
>The conclusion seems to be that some of the precompiled binaries are not so 
>hot.


Well, this doesn't seem to be the whole story to me. I have a case which is
rather finicky to reproduce (it happens to me quite often, and I've got a
reproduction path which works nearly all of the time, but not always) where
autorepeating cursor movement when the zmacs-region is active (hilighted) is
slow and even more disturbing continues for a significant period of time after
I let go of the key. This does not happen under 19.13. It appears to happen
mostly on large files, but will happen even if I run xemacs with -q (so no
fontification happens on the buffers or anything like that). It also seems to
only happen when I also have other files open in other frames.
   Tim

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From: Matthias Radestock <rade@sat.tecc.co.uk>
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Subject: HELP: 1) VM 2) font-lock
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1) How do I get VM to display the recipient instead of the sender in
the summary buffer for a mail folder containing "sent" mail?

2) Is there a way of enabling font-lock for *all* modes by default?


Matthias

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From: Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
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Subject: Re: HTML support in 19.14 - what exactly?
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>>>>> "Vineto" == Trifunovski Vineto <euavti@uab.ericsson.se> writes:

Vineto> Is it possible to hide tags, so you can get your HTML page in some kind
Vineto> of "What You See is What You Get" mode, to see the result ?

Yes, you can hide attributes in tags to see only the elements without their
attributes or you can completely hide the markup in the way you mention.
Add this to your .emacs:

(setq sgml-fold-menu
  '("Fold"
    ["Fold Element" sgml-fold-element t]
    ["Fold Subelement" sgml-fold-subelement t]
    ["Fold Region" sgml-fold-region t]
    ["Unfold Line" sgml-unfold-line t]
    ["Unfold Element" sgml-unfold-element t]
    ["Unfold All" sgml-unfold-all t]
    ["Expand" sgml-expand-element t]
    ["----------" nil nil]
    ["Hide Attributes" sgml-hide-attributes t]
    ["Hide Tags" sgml-hide-tags t]
    ["Show Attributes" sgml-show-attributes t]
    ["Show Tags" sgml-show-tags t]
    ))

Regards,

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From: Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 and vm
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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:

Gary> I really like vm and use it extensively.  Unfortunately all evidence
Gary> seems to point to it being broken in some subtle ways in 19.14. 

Gary> 1) xemacs occasionally core dumps when vm pops up a compose mail
Gary>    window (sorry if I got the term wrong, even sorrier that I have no
Gary>    core dump.  I had them limited to 0 in tcsh.  No more, but still no
Gary>    core dump.)

I haven't noticed this.

Gary> 2) The vm toolbar on the left side of the screen STAYS there when you
Gary>    change buffers.  In 19.13 it would go away.  

I noticed that too with the precompiled binary for Solaris. But it seems to be
more a feature than a bug and I hope it will stay like that. As I run VM in a
separate frame it is very convenient having the toolbar stay where it is and
not popping up with buffer changes in BBDB or TM MIME-Preview mode.

Oscar

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From: Benjamin Drago <drago@hc.ti.com>
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Subject: Sun precompiled binaries for 19.14 display hyper-apropos incorrectly
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I installed the following precompiled binaries:
hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/              sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks/
mips-sgi-irix6.2/                 sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/
sparc-sun-solaris2.4/             sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks/  

The sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 and sparc-sun-solaris2.4 binaries both have
this problem.  When you display the apropos for a command, the
descriptions are hosed [for lack of a better term].  For example, C-h
a load RET gives the following display:

****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
Apropos search for: "load"

* = command (M-x) or user-variable.
a = autoloaded, b = byte-compiled, i = internal, l = lambda, m = macro.

Functions and Macros:

i  autoload                       - Define FUNCTION to autoload from FILE.
a  batch-update-autoloads         -  emulator -- see their documentation for more information:
a* bookmark-load                  - always reindent the current line,
a* br-env-load                    - n or Bourne again)
b  command-line-do-load           - ended to
a* conx-load                      -  OBJECT is not already compiled, we compile it, but do not
b* dired-do-load                  - Load the marked (or next ARG) Emacs lisp files.
b  dired-load                     - Not documented.
a* generate-file-autoloads        - the current window
a  jka-compr-load                 - ry-filter' if non-nil.
b  load                           - ISIT.
i  load-average                   - Return list of 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute load averages.
b* load-default-sounds            - Load and install some sound files as beep-types.
b* load-file                      - it.
[snip]
****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****

Clicking with the middle mouse button on load-file give me this:

****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
`load-file'

Interactive compiled Lisp function:

 arguments: (file)

 it.
****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****

This corruption also occurs when you use C-h f load-file:

****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
load-file: (file)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
it.
****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****

This behavior does not happen with the other binaries, including the
sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks and  sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks
installations.  For example, on our HPs we get the following [correct]
display:

****hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05 display****
Apropos search for: "load"

* = command (M-x) or user-variable.
a = autoloaded, b = byte-compiled, i = internal, l = lambda, m = macro.

Functions and Macros:

i  autoload                       - Define FUNCTION to autoload from FILE.
a  batch-update-autoloads         - Update the autoloads for the files or directories on the command line.
a* bookmark-load                  - Load bookmarks from FILE (which must be in bookmark format).
a* br-env-load                    - Load browser Environment or spec from optional ENV-FILE or 'br-env-file'.
b  command-line-do-load           - Load the named file of Lisp code into XEmacs.
a* conx-load                      - Load in a CONX database written by the M-x conx-save command.
b* dired-do-load                  - Load the marked (or next ARG) Emacs lisp files.
b  dired-load                     - Not documented.
a* generate-file-autoloads        - Insert at point a loaddefs autoload section for FILE.
a  jka-compr-load                 - Documented as original.
b  load                           - Execute a file of Lisp code named FILE.
i  load-average                   - Return list of 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute load averages.
b* load-default-sounds            - Load and install some sound files as beep-types.
b* load-file                      - Load the Lisp file named FILE.
****hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05 display****

All six binaries are stored in the same directory tree, and the
Solaris and SunOS binaries share the
./lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.4 directories, so I do not think
it is caused by corrupted info or .el files.  

I am going to recompile them and see if that fixes the problem, but I
am really curious why this behavior occurs.


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I'm trying to enable the makefile-mode-map and makefile-electric-keys
in the make-mode that comes with XEmacs 19.14.

In my .emacs I have the following: 

(setq makefile-mode-hook
'(lambda()
   (local-set-key 'f9   'compile)
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   (makefile-mode-map t)
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))

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Benjamin Drago <drago@hc.ti.com> writes:
> This corruption also occurs when you use C-h f load-file:
> 
> ****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
> load-file: (file)
>   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
> it.
> ****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****

It sounds like your xemacs binary is using a DOC file that was built
for another binary.  If you install both the sparcworks and
non-sparcworks distributions in the same bin directory, then the DOC
files will overwrite each other and the one installed FIRST will have
incorrect docstrings.

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Does anybody know how I can set the key-repeat-rate in Xemacs 19.14.
What happens is that XEmacs buffers too much when I hold down some key
and echos it back a long time after that I have released the key!

Regards

	Stefan
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In article <199606281108.NAA10008@cabbage.inform-ac.com>,
	flabes@inform-ac.com (Oliver Imbusch) writes:
>I get the following error message when dumpimg with a statically
>linked temacs:
>
>	unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!
>
....

Try to configure with option --dynamic=yes.
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Subject: Trouble getting xemacs 19.14 working for Irix 5.3/6.2
Date: 2 Jul 1996 11:44:21 -0400
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Our xemacs 19.13 build (built for Irix 5.3) never worked on our Irix 6.1
box.  With 19.14's release, I thought I'd give a try to getting xemacs 
working under Irix 5.x and 6.x - no dice.  I tried building it under 5.3
(no problem as far as that goes) and running it on 6.2 and 6.1 and it
crashes quite nicely; same with building it under 6.1 and 6.2 and running
it under 5.3.  

The latter part of that was with the env-var LDFLAGS="-mips1" and
the and cflags="-O -mips1".  mips1 instead of mips2 since we have some
R3000 Indigos that need to run this as well...

Any ideas?  The one thing I haven't tried yet is using all static
libraries instead of dynamic, which will probably bloat my executables,
but might work.

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From: gsv@sysdeco.no (Geir Svelle)
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I'm having trouble starting XEmacs 19.13 on certain workstations running 
AIX 4.1 (the problem has occurred on both rs6000's and powerpc's).  

Immediately after starting xemacs, I get something like:

	"Initialisation error: X server not responding."

Starting other X applications works fine, so there seems to be nothing 
wrong with the X server.

I'm using the precompiled binaries for rs6000, the README file of which states
that it should run on POWERPC as well.


-Any ideas?  Is this problem familiar to anyone?


Thanks in advance

Geir

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do you?

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From: pete@seldon.pog.ufl.edu (Dr. Pete Gieser / Statistician)
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I'm trying to install XEmacs 19.14 on RS6000, but the configure script
bugs out when trying to find the X libraries.  I even specify where they
are explicitly (--x-libraries=/usr/lpp/X11) but it still fails.

Any ideas?

Pete
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Subject: grep broken?
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Although I find it hard to believe, it seems that even when I do xemacs -q,
M-x grep does not work. (I give egrep "xyz *" <return>)
Returns the following error:
symbol's function definition is void: window-edges
What am I doing wrong?
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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu (XEmacs)
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How can I suppress the popup dialog box that appears after selecting an
error in compilation mode. With version 19.13 the action was to jump to
the appropriate file and line upon selecting an error with the middle
mouse button.

Now in 19.14, a dialog box pops up after selecting an error to view 
and i get the following error upon selecting ok using the default
file selection.

Wrong type argument: listp, invalid


I'm using the pre-compiled XEmacs version 19.14 for HP-UX 9.05

any hints on how to get back the old action of jumping directly
to the file and line the error occured by mouse selection?

thanks,

jeff


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From: Mike Atkinson <matkinson@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
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I like fontification of buffers, but get problems loading 
makefiles, as the fontification mechanism seems to have 
problems with dependencies (?) - basically it takes forever to 
load the file if there are a significant number of 
dependencies present.  Is there any way to stop these 
dependencies being fontified (other than removing the 
fontification hook upon loading a makefile)?  At present I'm 
using vi (gag) for makefiles!

Thanks in advance for any help.

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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net>
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Michael D Lewis writes:

> I've been trying to build xemacs 19.14 and emacs 19.31  on my Linux

 [ ... ]

> This is the error that I'm getting from the linker:

>     lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0):     multiple   definition    of     `tgoto'
> lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here

put aside your obsolete ncurses lib :
 cd /usr/lib
 mv libncurses.a.old
(same for .so, .sa ... in /usr/local/lib ...)

then configure and make

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Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: Although I find it hard to believe, it seems that even when I do xemacs -q,
: M-x grep does not work. (I give egrep "xyz *" <return>)
: Returns the following error:
: symbol's function definition is void: window-edges
: What am I doing wrong?
OK, I'll answer my own question -- it seems that the site-lisp directory is
at the start of load-path, and I had some 19.11 compile and compile2 lisp
files in there. When I renamed them I got the proper version of grep.
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pete@seldon.pog.ufl.edu (Dr. Pete Gieser / Statistician) writes:

> 
> I'm trying to install XEmacs 19.14 on RS6000, but the configure script
> bugs out when trying to find the X libraries.  I even specify where they
> are explicitly (--x-libraries=/usr/lpp/X11) but it still fails.

actually, that should be --x-libraries=/usr/lpp/X11/lib, but it still
chokes...

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From: gcp@opus.mc.com (Gerry Pocock)
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Subject: Going very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy
Date: 02 Jul 1996 18:26:50 GMT
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I've run into a problem using xemacs 19.14 and was wondering if this
is a known problem and whether there was a solution to the problem I
am seeing.

What happens is that after running xemacs for a while, approximately
20 minutes, the response to key strokes starts to slow down and the
response of xemacs almost grinds to a halt. It eventually becomes so
bad that I have to kill xemacs and start again. This problem is
easily seen when trying to create a region to kill (e.g.,
<ctl>-<space> [<ctl>-n]* ). The cursor can't keep up with the key
strokes. This happens with a C file where font-lock is enabled.

I have tried this with both the precompiled executables for sunos
4.1.3 as well as building my own executables using both x11r5 and
x11r6 includes and libraries. All seem to exhibit the same symptoms.

Just as a note, this problem doesn't show up using xemacs-19.13. That
version works fine in the same environment.

The system I have is a sparcstation 5 running sunos 4.1.4, x11r6.r1
with 64 MBytes of memory.

Does anyone have a clue as to what is happening?

-- Gerry

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Dr. Gerry Pocock				gcp@mc.com
Mercury Computer Systems			508.256.1300
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Chelmsford MA 01824
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This seems very related to what I posted recently under the thread
"Re: 19.14 probs: CPU-intensive cursor; vanishing menus", although I don't know
what's going on or have a fix.
   Tim

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Hi folks,

	With help from many people I finally achieved what I have been trying
for the past 2 weeks or so i.e. to customzie the .signature, FCC: and
vm-folder-directory on a per folder basis.

	I am posting this code for the benefits of others. This final version
was arrived upon with major contribution from Ralf Fassel
(ralf@natlab.research.philips.com) whom I owe a beer :-) Many thanks to him.

	If you have suggestions for improvement please post them here and also
email them to me.

Thank you.


-----------------------------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------
;=============================================================================
; Function to put in appropriate FCC, .signature and set default directory 
; on a per-folder basis.
;=============================================================================

;; The list of folders is (inbox outbox signature-file folder-dir):
; "INBOX"       "~/mailbox/OUTBOX"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/"
; "FYI.inbox"   "~/Mail/FYI/FYI.outbox"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/FYI/"
; "KNet.inbox"	"~/Mail/KNet/KNet.outbox"   "~/.sig.knet"   "~/Mail/KNet/"
; "mod.inbox"   "~/Mail/SRS/mod.outbox"	    "~/.sig.srs"    "~/Mail/SRS/"
; "sub.inbox"   "~/Mail/SRS/sub.outbox"	    "~/.sig.srs"    "~/Mail/SRS/"
; "UPC.inbox"   "~/Mail/UPC/UPC.outbox"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/UPC/"


;; Make variables to be buffer-local.
(make-variable-buffer-local 'mail-archive-file-name)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'mail-signature-file)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'vm-folder-directory)

;; Set mail archive filename (i.e. FCC: entry), signature file, and folder
;; directory on a per-folder basis.
(defconst folder-inbox-outbox-signature-list
  '(("INBOX"	    "~/mailbox/OUTBOX"		"~/.signature"	"~/Mail/")
    ("FYI.inbox"    "~/Mail/FYI/FYI.outbox"	"~/.signature"	"~/Mail/FYI/")
    ("KNet.inbox"   "~/Mail/KNet/KNet.outbox"	"~/.sig.knet"	"~/Mail/KNet/")
    ("mod.inbox"    "~/Mail/SRS/mod.outbox"	"~/.sig.srs"	"~/Mail/SRS/")
    ("sub.inbox"    "~/Mail/SRS/sub.outbox"	"~/.sig.srs"	"~/Mail/SRS/")
    ("UPC.inbox"    "~/Mail/UPC/UPC.outbox"	"~/.signature"  "~/Mail/UPC/"))
  "List of list of folder relations.
Each element is '(INBOX OUTBOX SIGNATURE-FILE FOLDER-DIR).")

(defun my-folder-setup-hook ()
  (let ((elt (assoc (buffer-name) folder-inbox-outbox-signature-list)))
    (if elt
	(progn
	  (message "Setting variables for folder %s..." (buffer-name))
	  (sit-for 2)
	  (setq mail-archive-file-name (nth 1 elt)
              mail-signature-file (nth 2 elt)
              vm-folder-directory (nth 3 elt))))))

(setq vm-visit-folder-hook 'my-folder-setup-hook)
(add-hook 'rmail-mode-hook 'my-folder-setup-hook)

;; Use the per-folder basis variables if sending mail from a folder.
(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    ;; rmail sets 'replybuffer, VM 'folder-buffer.  Test both.
	    (let ((buf (or (and (boundp 'replybuffer) replybuffer)
			   (and (boundp 'folder-buffer) folder-buffer))))
	      (if buf
		  (let (archive dot-sig)
		    (save-excursion
		      (set-buffer buf)
		      (setq archive mail-archive-file-name
			    dot-sig mail-signature-file))
		    (setq mail-archive-file-name archive
			  mail-signature-file dot-sig))))))
-----------------------------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------

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In article <4rbal3$3lh@cocoa.brown.edu>,
Timothy Miller <tsm@cs.brown.edu> wrote:
>Well, this doesn't seem to be the whole story to me. I have a case which is
>rather finicky to reproduce (it happens to me quite often, and I've got a
>reproduction path which works nearly all of the time, but not always) where
>autorepeating cursor movement when the zmacs-region is active (hilighted) is
>slow and even more disturbing continues for a significant period of time after
>I let go of the key. This does not happen under 19.13. It appears to happen
>mostly on large files, but will happen even if I run xemacs with -q (so no
>fontification happens on the buffers or anything like that). It also seems to
>only happen when I also have other files open in other frames.


Forgot to mention this happens even with an -O3 compiled version. I now have
only 8 files open (one per frame) and any kind of motion that involves changing
a highlighted area (selecting or isearch for instance) has gotten completely
intolerable. It can't even keep up if I merely hit the key moderately rapidly,
let alone use keyrepeat. And this is on an HP 9000-735/125. This also looks
related to the problem reported by Gerry Pocock (under subject something like
"emacs going ssslllooowwwlllyyy").
   Tim

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Hi folks,

	With help from many people I finally achieved what I have been trying
for the past 2 weeks or so i.e. to customzie the .signature, FCC: and
vm-folder-directory on a per folder basis.

	I am posting this code for the benefits of others. This final version
was arrived upon with major contribution from Ralf Fassel
(ralf@natlab.research.philips.com) whom I owe a beer :-) Many thanks to him.

	If you have suggestions for improvement please post them here and also
email them to me.

Thank you.


-----------------------------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------
;=============================================================================
; Function to put in appropriate FCC, .signature and set default directory 
; on a per-folder basis.
;=============================================================================

;; The list of folders is (inbox outbox signature-file folder-dir):
; "INBOX"       "~/mailbox/OUTBOX"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/"
; "FYI.inbox"   "~/Mail/FYI/FYI.outbox"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/FYI/"
; "KNet.inbox"	"~/Mail/KNet/KNet.outbox"   "~/.sig.knet"   "~/Mail/KNet/"
; "mod.inbox"   "~/Mail/SRS/mod.outbox"	    "~/.sig.srs"    "~/Mail/SRS/"
; "sub.inbox"   "~/Mail/SRS/sub.outbox"	    "~/.sig.srs"    "~/Mail/SRS/"
; "UPC.inbox"   "~/Mail/UPC/UPC.outbox"	    "~/.signature"  "~/Mail/UPC/"


;; Make variables to be buffer-local.
(make-variable-buffer-local 'mail-archive-file-name)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'mail-signature-file)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'vm-folder-directory)

;; Set mail archive filename (i.e. FCC: entry), signature file, and folder
;; directory on a per-folder basis.
(defconst folder-inbox-outbox-signature-list
  '(("INBOX"	    "~/mailbox/OUTBOX"		"~/.signature"	"~/Mail/")
    ("FYI.inbox"    "~/Mail/FYI/FYI.outbox"	"~/.signature"	"~/Mail/FYI/")
    ("KNet.inbox"   "~/Mail/KNet/KNet.outbox"	"~/.sig.knet"	"~/Mail/KNet/")
    ("mod.inbox"    "~/Mail/SRS/mod.outbox"	"~/.sig.srs"	"~/Mail/SRS/")
    ("sub.inbox"    "~/Mail/SRS/sub.outbox"	"~/.sig.srs"	"~/Mail/SRS/")
    ("UPC.inbox"    "~/Mail/UPC/UPC.outbox"	"~/.signature"  "~/Mail/UPC/"))
  "List of list of folder relations.
Each element is '(INBOX OUTBOX SIGNATURE-FILE FOLDER-DIR).")

(defun my-folder-setup-hook ()
  (let ((elt (assoc (buffer-name) folder-inbox-outbox-signature-list)))
    (if elt
	(progn
	  (message "Setting variables for folder %s..." (buffer-name))
	  (sit-for 2)
	  (setq mail-archive-file-name (nth 1 elt)
              mail-signature-file (nth 2 elt)
              vm-folder-directory (nth 3 elt))))))

(setq vm-visit-folder-hook 'my-folder-setup-hook)
(add-hook 'rmail-mode-hook 'my-folder-setup-hook)

;; Use the per-folder basis variables if sending mail from a folder.
(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    ;; rmail sets 'replybuffer, VM 'folder-buffer.  Test both.
	    (let ((buf (or (and (boundp 'replybuffer) replybuffer)
			   (and (boundp 'folder-buffer) folder-buffer))))
	      (if buf
		  (let (archive dot-sig)
		    (save-excursion
		      (set-buffer buf)
		      (setq archive mail-archive-file-name
			    dot-sig mail-signature-file))
		    (setq mail-archive-file-name archive
			  mail-signature-file dot-sig))))))
-----------------------------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------

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When invoking "find-file" (^x-^f), the previous behavior was to
highlight text that looked like valid file names as the mouse passed
over it.  The new behavior does not do that.  I think it is broken.


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Using pkgmk in SVR4/ESMP, certain directories are created that
contain dollar signs.  Viz. if the package is to relocate files based
on an environment variable '$TNHOME', then that will appear as
a directory name.  There is no way to escape the dollar sign and
visit files under that directory.

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>>>>> "erez" == erez  <erez%robcad@uunet.uu.net> writes:

erez> BTW, while trying to figure out things, I've noticed that the command
erez> 'show-message-log' is not available, not in the menus and not as a
erez> command (M-x).

>From the XEmacs FAQ, and the NEWS file included in the XEmacs
distribution:

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.14?                                   
  ...
  Major User-Visible Changes:      
  ...
     * `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
       removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
       Help).

-- 
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except you in November.

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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
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Subject: XEmacs-19.14 - several prob's! Help!
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Hi,
	Just installed XEmacs-19.14, and got a
	bunch of problems. An urgent help will
	be VERY much appreciated.

	1. In most every mode XEmacs now treats
	   both Backspace and DEL as "DEL" key.
	   NO GOOD! It used to be rectifiable
	   by (load-library "delbackspace"),
	   but not any more!  HOW TO GET BACK
	   TO 19.13 sane behavior?!

	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
	   a Lisp expression. NOT ANY MORE! Now
	   whenever I type ESC ESC, I'm getting
	   "M-ESC -" in the minibuffer... What 
	   to do to be able to evaluate Lisp
	   expressions again?

	3. Out of nowhere I've got this warning
	   while wandering through local XEmacs
	   info stuff:

(1) (error/warning) Error in `pre-idle-hook' 
    (setting hook to nil): (wrong-type-argument 
     extent-live-p #<extent>)

	   Is it bad? How to get rid of it?!

	I'm on Linux-2.0.0, gcc-2.7.2.l.3, libc-5.3.12,
	XFree86-3.1.2-ELF... XEmacs-19.14 is built with
	most of the features enabled, dynamic...

	PLEASE HELP!! XEmacs is one of the most needed
	tools, and I'm dying without functioning one 
	(and no, lack of disk space didn't allow me
	to keep both 19.13 and 19.14, alas)...

	Please e-mail your responses! Thanks!
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: Darrell Kindred <dkindred+@cmu.edu>
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Subject: 19.14: frame-title-format bug [w/ patch]
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:59:49 -0400
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The bug:

  Run xemacs -q, and do
	C-x 5 2
        in the new frame, C-x b newbuf RET
        in the first frame (*scratch* buffer), eval this:
             (make-local-variable 'frame-title-format)
             (make-local-variable 'frame-icon-title-format)
             (setq frame-title-format "frametitle")
             (setq frame-icon-title-format "icontitle")
  Now whenever the first frame is selected, all frames will have
  title "frametitle" and icon-title "icontitle"; when the second
  frame is selected, the frames will have their default titles.

The patch below fixes this bug.

- Darrell

*** src/frame.c.orig	Fri Jun 21 23:19:12 1996
--- src/frame.c	Tue Jul  2 16:40:53 1996
***************
*** 95,102 ****
  Lisp_Object Qframe_x_p, Qframe_tty_p;
  Lisp_Object Qdelete_frame;
  
! Lisp_Object Vframe_title_format;
! Lisp_Object Vframe_icon_title_format;
  
  Lisp_Object Vdefault_frame_name;
  Lisp_Object Vdefault_frame_plist;
--- 95,102 ----
  Lisp_Object Qframe_x_p, Qframe_tty_p;
  Lisp_Object Qdelete_frame;
  
! Lisp_Object Qframe_title_format, Vframe_title_format;
! Lisp_Object Qframe_icon_title_format, Vframe_icon_title_format;
  
  Lisp_Object Vdefault_frame_name;
  Lisp_Object Vdefault_frame_plist;
***************
*** 2785,2792 ****
    else if (!BUFFER_LIVE_P (XBUFFER (w->buffer)))
      return;
  
!   title_format = Vframe_title_format;
!   icon_format = Vframe_icon_title_format;
  
    if (HAS_FRAMEMETH_P (f, set_title_from_char))
      {
--- 2785,2793 ----
    else if (!BUFFER_LIVE_P (XBUFFER (w->buffer)))
      return;
  
!   /* do these need to be GCPRO'd?  -dkindred */
!   title_format = symbol_value_in_buffer (Qframe_title_format, w->buffer);
!   icon_format = symbol_value_in_buffer (Qframe_icon_title_format, w->buffer);
  
    if (HAS_FRAMEMETH_P (f, set_title_from_char))
      {
***************
*** 2892,2897 ****
--- 2893,2901 ----
    defsymbol (&Qbuffer_predicate, "buffer-predicate");
    defsymbol (&Qframe_being_created, "frame-being-created");
    defsymbol (&Qmake_initial_minibuffer_frame, "make-initial-minibuffer-frame");
+ 
+   defsymbol (&Qframe_title_format, "frame-title-format");
+   defsymbol (&Qframe_icon_title_format, "frame-icon-title-format");
  
    defsymbol (&Qvisible, "visible");
    defsymbol (&Qiconic, "iconic");

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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net>
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Subject: [BUG?] Xemacs 19.14, Linux, and accent. chars
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(maybe) bug (?) report:

w/o line-wraping, for example in fundamental-mode, any extended characters
which is on the physical (display) line end is masked by the
line-continuation symbol (the black little curved arrow)

the accentuated char exists and the point can virtually "move" on it
(disappearing when it come on the hidden char).

example line:
this group of words:
"xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the french language imply use of some accent. chars, like ''"

is displayed without the '' (e') placed at the end of the line if the
current mode does not wrap lines and if this char is just on a physical
(display) ine boundary.

the black arrow appears instead of it, the charis not rejected on the next
physical line.
(to try it : read the example line on a non-line-wrapping buffer of an
Xemacs with -geometry 80x...).
then add any char on the 'x' series ... surprise: a '' appears at the end
of the line.

changing the Xemacs window geometry does not fix the problem.
no other problem here with extended chars.

this glitch is present even with a minimal ~/.emacs:
-=-=-
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) 
                (nth 1 (current-input-mode)) 
                0) 
(standard-display-european t) 
(require 'iso-syntax) 
=-=-=

same problem under XEmacs 19.13

is this a bug or am I missing something?

many thanks to all [X]emacs contributors for this wonderful piece of soft!

-- 
Nat    Linux

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From: Miguel Oyarzun <moyarzun@irakere.bbn.com>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 okay under Solaris, Slow under SunOS
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lewikk@grasshopper.aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:

> 
> 
> I too noticed the slow cursor movement, but only under SunOS.  The
> Solaris 2.5 build seems plenty fast (I built 19.14 for both targets
> myself).
> 
> But I can't imagine why this would be the case.
> 
> 19.14 under SunOS is too slow to be usable on my SPARC 5 (which I
> consider a very sad thing).
> 
> Anyone have an idea why SunOS should make XEmacs slower?
> -- 

I too have noticed the slow cursor movement under SunOS 4.1.3 on a
SparcClassic, using a locally built binary (--cflags=-O). And I have
also noticed an amusing thing. The really slow response seems to
happen after firing packages like VM and Gnus. If, however, I iconize
all other XEmacs windows, except the one I'm moving the cursor in, the
response is significantly better. Anybody else noticed this? 

Adios,

Miguel Oyarzun
moyarzun@bbn.com

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: GNUS: misconfigured system
Date: 03 Jul 1996 01:01:58 +0200
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bmi@netcom.com writes:

> Why?  is system-name not working or what?

Yes.  Under SunOS 4.x and SunOS 5.1-3 (I think) gethostbyname(3)
doesn't return a FQDN.  (Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.)

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gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:

>   1. For whatever reason, inline image support is very slow on our system.
>      This means that the Gnus splash screen takes a long time to come up.
>      But there's no clear way to disable this.  

See `gnus-inhibit-startup-message'.

>   2. We run a non-internet c-news based news system on our internal 
>      network.  On this network, all we have is hostnames, no domain names,
>      i.e.  'gse@fred'.  Gnus says "you seem to have a misconfigured system.  
>      Really post?".  But even if I answer 'y', I get 'denied posting -- the
>      From looks strange'.  Argh!  It appears that there's no way to defeat
>      this checking without changing Gnus' code.

See `message-syntax-checks'.

-- 
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Matthias Radestock <rade@sat.tecc.co.uk> writes:

> 
> 
> I have VM configured to place all my outgoing mail into a folder. When
> I view that folder I'd like the receiver of the message to appear in
> the summary instead of the sender (which is always me). Any idea how I
> can achieve this?

i had the same question a short time ago.  here's what i was told to
add to my .vm file.

	(setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))

- -pjf

- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
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From: tynor@atlanta.twr.com (Steve Tynor)
Subject: 19.14 AIX 4.1.3: name resolution problem?
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XEmacs 19.14
PowerPC running AIX 4.1.3.
Configured with "defaults" (./configure with no options). 

XtOpenDisplay always fails if I specify a display with a symbolic
hostname:

	export DISPLAY; DISPLAY=foo:0.0; xemacs
or
	xemacs -display foo:0.0

will both fail with the following error: (which via source inspection
indicates that XtOpenDisplay is returning 0):

	Initialization error: X server not responding
	: "foo:0.0"

yet, if I specify foo's IP address: 

	xemacs -display 1.2.3.4:0.0

then it works.

`foo' is definitely listed in /etc/hosts, and the host(1) program
resolves it.  Other X tools (e.g. xterm) handle "-display foo:0.0"
without any particular problem.

>From the FAQ: 

| 3.5. Help!  I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
| =====================================================================
| 
|    Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
| host you are running XEmacs from.

This works, but it's not convenient. Is there something I can do to
make it work with the hostname?  Is this an Xt bug? A bug in the way
this AIX machine is configured?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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 -- Steve McQueen, Le Mans.

Steve Tynor		Email:   Steve.Tynor@atlanta.twr.com
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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
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Some more details: when XEmacs-19.14 just comes
up, both "BackSpace" and "Delete" keys operate
properly, i.e. the way I configured them and
the way I think they should be: 
	BackSpace = delete-backward-char
	Delete    = delete-char

I can verify this in the Scratch buffer. Now,
as soon as I bring any file in, or initiate
any mode, all these keys become f***ed up,
and both BackSpace and Delete become
"delete-char"... Looks like somebody
went to royal trouble to fool with
so many mode files to hardcode
things...

Please, what do I need to do to un-f*** XEmacs
and teach it to treat the keyboard like it used
to when it was 19.13?
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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F'up: comp.os.linux.misc

mlewis@nmia.com (Michael D Lewis) writes:
> I've been trying to build xemacs 19.14 and emacs 19.31 on my Linux 1.2.8
> (slackware 2.3.0) machine.  Both fail at about the same place, and with
> the same error. 
[snip]
> This is the error that I'm getting from the linker:
> 
>     lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
>     lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
> 
> The only .c file that contains a definition for tgoto (src/termcap.c)
> doesn't even get compiled.  I can't find a file anywhere called 
> lib_tparm.o, tparm.o, lib_termcap.o, or termcap.o.  My WAG is that
> this is a linker/library error, but I'm new to linux/gcc, and this
> is way beyond me.  
>
> Is there a command line switch I need to include?  Are my libraries messed
> up?  I'm sure many people have gotten the newest (x)emacs working on 
> a linux box.  BTW, I have gcc 2.6.3 and I think libc.so.4.6.27 came with
> my distribution.  I think I added libc.so.5.2.16 a while back because
> someone said it would solve a different problem (it didn't).

Upgrading your libc did probably have no effect at all, because it
looks as if all of your existing programs are still in the old AOUT
format. There has never been a release of libc.so.5.x.y for AOUT, so
the updated library is never even used by your system. The latest
release of libc for AOUT is libc.so.4.x.y, but its use is deprecated
as it is no longer maintained. It is strongly suggested that you
upgrade to the new file format ELF.

The other problem that you mentioned is caused by a broken
installation of the libncurses library. There have been many
contradictory and incompatible versions in the past and only recently,
things seem to have stabilized. Thus upgrading is strongly
recommended. When doing so, pay attention to the release notes. They
have instructions that you *must* follow! Unfortunately, I believe
that you will have to move your system to ELF first, before you can
think of installing the binary kit of the libncurses library. You
might be able to compile an AOUT version by your own, but I have not
tried this.

Summarizing all of the above, I would suggest that you backup your
personal data and then reinstall your Linux system from scratch. Make
sure that you get one of the recent Linux distributions that already
have Linux 2.0.0. As of now, this seems to be the case only for Debian
and S.u.S.E. Please let me know, if any other distribution has already
been updated to Linux 2.0.0. If you wanted to, you could also perform
the upgrading manually without having to go thru a complete
reinstallation, but unless you are perfectly certain that you know
what you are doing this is bound to be a lot more work!



Markus

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LMI> == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>

 LMI> Yes.  Under SunOS 4.x and SunOS 5.1-3 (I think) gethostbyname(3)
 LMI> doesn't return a FQDN.  (Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.)

"It depends."

On a properly (IMHO) configured SunOS 4.1.x system, gethostname() and the
gethostby* routines will return FQDNs.  Those are (again IMHO) the only
"true" names you can return for a host--anything shorter is a nickname.

Mind you, "properly configured" involves stuffing BIND's resolver code
into the shared library, installing a real version of X instead of Open
Wound 3.0 (hey, the jumbo xnews patch is gonna hit rev -99 one of these
days), tearing out sendmail and half the net utilities and replacing them
with BSD, Kerberos, or similar freely-available versions, etc.

Oh, and installing XEmacs. :)

ObXEmacs:
  If you do install BIND's resolver code, which I strongly recommend,
  don't forget to install strerror in libc.a (read shres/sunos/ISSUES and
  shres/sunos/PROBLEMS from the BIND dist) or XEmacs may not link.

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
                               -- Judge Stewart Dalzell in _ACLU v. Reno_

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From: Yusuf Goolamabbas <yusufg@iss.nus.sg (Yusuf Goolamabbas)>
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Subject: REPOST: Invisible font when logging in via dialup connection


Reposting since my mail address got mungled last time

Greetings,

I compiled XEmacs 19.14 for Sparc Solaris 2.4 with all the features
and set all the faces to look very nice when running under
X-Windows. Now I login from home using Telix under Windows-95/dos mode
and connect to my Unix box. I have a terminal setting of vt100 and use
white foreground over black background

Using  xemacs gives me an invisible font. However, xemacs -q works
very well.

I have a feeling that I need to disable the fancy font-lock when not
under X which I think I did by using the code in etc/sample.emacs. Is
there any ifdef like mechanism in e-lisp for loading of the file
~/.xemacs-options when using a vt100 setting

I have the same color/font settings for XEmacs 19.13 and don't have to
do anything to get it to work over a dialup connection

I am holding off announcing the installation of XEmacs 19.14 at our
lab pending a solution to this problem

Would appreciate e-mail responses since newsfeed is very erratic

Thanks to all
Cheers, Yusuf

-- 
Yusuf Goolamabbas                              yusufg@iss.nus.sg
Institute of Systems Science, Singapore        (0) 65-772-6931



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From: Duc Duong <duong@aries.wistar.upenn.edu>
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Subject: Pretty print using standard lp..
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 18:45:35 -0700
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Hi..

I love xemacs pretty print feature but I hate that everytime I want to
print something out, I have to startup xemacs. My question is is there
anyway that I can use "lp" command with some kind of typesetting package
that can perform as good as xemacs pretty print feature? Email please.
Thank you..

D.

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kendall shaw writes:
 > do you?

Yes.

		-cjw

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Subject: Fontifying citations in Gnus
Date: 02 Jul 1996 18:15:50 -0700
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How can I get Gnus to fontify citations? I've used "Customize" and it seems
like there are variously colored faces defined for highlighting citations,
but Gnus isn't using them.

I tried using the font-lock code in Jari Aalto's ema-font.gui file and it
made the citations very pretty, but Gnus stopped fontifying headers.

-- 
Gail Gurman                       | email: Gail.Gurman@Sybase.com
Sybase MPP Pubs                   | phone: (510) 922-0194

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In article <TYNOR.96Jul2164225@twratl.atlanta.twr.com>,
Steve Tynor <tynor@atlanta.twr.com> wrote:
>XtOpenDisplay always fails if I specify a display with a symbolic
>hostname:
>	Initialization error: X server not responding
>	: "foo:0.0"
>yet, if I specify foo's IP address: 
>	xemacs -display 1.2.3.4:0.0
>then it works.

I had this problem too. It was fixed when I configured my system to have a
DNS name server.



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From: cpm@vingi.mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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Trifunovski Vineto <euavti@uab.ericsson.se> writes:

> Is it possible to hide tags, so you can get your HTML page in some
> kind of "What You See is What You Get" mode, to see the result ?

In emacs 19.31 there's a "toggle tag visibility (C-c TAB)" option on
the SGML menu that does the job.  I would think it's in xemacs too,
but maybe not?

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From: Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com>
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1.  I think this story about free() on hpux is utter bullshit.

2.  xemacs-19.14 uses it's own malloc/free on hpux9 (I didn't check on
    hpux8, you don't run that do you?), so this is irrelevant anyway.

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In article <4rc4sb$7f5@swifty.cfa.org> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes:

> 	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
> 	   a Lisp expression.
Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:


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In article <9607030218.AA00948@krypton.iss.nus.sg> yusufg@iss.nus.sg Yusuf Goolamabbas)> (Yusuf Goolamabbas Yusuf Goolamabbas)>) writes:

> using Telix under Windows-95/dos, terminal setting of vt100
Does this support ANSI color? (^[[#m where #=30-37 for foreground and
#=40-47 for background)? If so, you need to check that your termcap/
terminfo contains the caps 
     AF   (str)   Change character forground  color  in  an  ANSI
                  conform way. This capability will almost always
                  be set to '\E[3%dm' ('\E[3%p1%dm'  on  terminfo
                  machines).
     AB   (str)   Same as 'AF', but change background color.
                  Set to '\E[4%dm'
     AX   (bool)  Does understand ANSI set  default  fg/bg  color
                  (\E[39m / \E[49m).
or else include them.

> Using  xemacs gives me an invisible font. However, xemacs -q works
> very well.
You need to fix your fonts then. First of all, check if xemacs guesses
right the (device-class) of the tty. If not, use set-device-class.
Second, use the fact that face (and other) specifiers can be made device
dependent. For example 
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "red" 'color)
  (if I'm not mistaken)
sets the foreground only for color displays.

> is there any ifdef like mechanism in e-lisp
Sure:
 (if (not (eq (device-type) 'tty))
   (progn  ;; here for X displays only
 ))
However, this won't work correctly if you want to open more than one frame
on the same xemacs session, one on X and another on tty. (Some people
connect from home to the same xemacs they run at work and just pick up from
where they left.)


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 I've installed the latest XEMACS and it seems to be working fine.
 I've compiled the latest AUCTEX.
 Now when I run XEMACS I get an error message:
  
   Error in init file
   End of stream: #(INTERNAL EMACS BUG (filedesc lstream) 0x8461780>

 This happens only when I include the line:
 
  (require 'tex-site)

 in my .emacs file. (There is no error message when this line is not
 included)  
 Can anyone give me some help as to what this error message means, or
 how to fix it.
 
 Thanks, Denis Sevee
  

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From: jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy)
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In article <omhgrq6kdu.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
 
 In article <4rc4sb$7f5@swifty.cfa.org> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes:
 
 > 	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
 > 	   a Lisp expression.
 Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:
 
This caught me also.  What is one supposed to have read to learn about
this change and other incompatible changes?  I didn't notice anything
in the "What's new" about incompatible changes.  I also don't know
what to do to get the colors in gnus so they don't obscure the text.
I use white on black.

If I ask about M-ESC to help, it would be nice if I got a friendly
message saying how to do it.

-- 
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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From: Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com>
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This is a collection of graphics libs, currently for Linux-ELF only.
This can be useful for building xemacs-19.14.


NEWS:
* jpeg updated to v6a.
* png updated to 0.89
* zlib updated to 1.02
* Now built with -D_BSD_SOURCE for compatibility with XFree86 and
xemacs-19.14.

==> Available from ftp.ctd.comsat.com:/pub/linux/ELF

This is a collection of graphics libraries, including:

fbm, jpeg, pbm, pgm, png, pnm, ppm, rle, tiff, zlib.

These are configured to build ELF static and shared libs.

This collection (libgr2) is being maintained by Neal Becker
(neal@ctd.comsat.com)

This package is based on libgr-1.3, by Rob Hooft (hooft@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE).

The following packages have been update to these releases:

jpeg-6a
png-0.89
zlib-1.02
tiff-3.4beta18

Thanks to piercarl@sabi.demo.co.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) for helpful
suggestions to clean up the Makefiles.

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I don't know if I have any users other than the one that wrote me, but
here is sym-lock.el modified to work with XEmacs-19.14.

sym-lock.el adds WYSIWYG (kinda) symbols to TeX mode.  I'd love to see
improvements to it...  Be forewarned:  This thing takes a little bit
of time to load, because it is making a bunch of new faces.

Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: help installing the calc 2.02 package
Date: 03 Jul 1996 01:34:45 -0600
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In article <stricsc-0307961502420001@moose> stricsc@gdss.grumman.com (E. Scott Stricker) writes:

> I get the following list of errors when I invoke the make file.  What
> am I doing wrong? 

Nothing. Calc is not quite updated from the 18.59 version. Most of these
are harmless warnings, but at the end you have an error (about keymaps).
Calc's "keypad" mode (where a calc is diaplayed in a separate window) is
known not to work. You may have better success with version 2.02d, which
was available from the xemacs site while it was at uiuc. Check the new site
ftp.xemacs.org, or I could send you the files.

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From: Darrell Kindred <dkindred+@cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs-19.14 - several prob's! Help!
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 04:13:12 -0400
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 > In article <omhgrq6kdu.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
 >  In article <4rc4sb$7f5@swifty.cfa.org> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes:
 >  
 >  > 	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
 >  > 	   a Lisp expression.
 >  Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:

I think you mean ESC ESC :, or ESC :.  (ESC ESC ESC is the new
keyboard-escape-quit).

John McCarthy writes:
 > This caught me also.  What is one supposed to have read to learn about
 > this change and other incompatible changes?  I didn't notice anything
 > in the "What's new" about incompatible changes.  

Well, this change and assorted others were mentioned under "Major
Differences Between 19.13 and 19.14" both in the 19.14 announcement
and in "XEmacs News" (under the Help menu).

 > If I ask about M-ESC to help, it would be nice if I got a friendly
 > message saying how to do it.

Unfortunately,  there's no reasonable way to produce such a message
since ESC ESC is now a prefix sequence (there are commands bound to
ESC ESC ESC, ESC ESC :, etc).  The change was made for compatibility
with FSF Emacs, which introduced it in 19.29 with the note "we moved
[the eval-expression binding] to make way for the ESC ESC ESC feature,
on the grounds that people who  evaluate Lisp expressions are
experienced users and can cope with a change."

uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes: 
> as soon as I bring any file in, or initiate any mode, all these keys
> become f***ed up, and both BackSpace and Delete become
> "delete-char"... Looks like somebody went to royal trouble to fool
> with so many mode files to hardcode things...

No one did anything like that.  When I load delbackspace, it works as
advertised even when I enter c-mode or Emacs-Lisp mode or whatever.
The delbackspace.el file does seem to have been revamped since 19.13,
so it's possible that it's interacting badly with some other
customization you've done.  If you run `xemacs -no-site-file -q' and
then load delbackspace, do things work right?  If so, take a look at
any keymap-related code in your .emacs, or post your .emacs if it's
not clear what's up.  As a last resort, you could try using the 19.13
delbackspace.el.

uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) writes: 
>         3. Out of nowhere I've got this warning
>            while wandering through local XEmacs
>            info stuff:
>
> (1) (error/warning) Error in `pre-idle-hook' 
>     (setting hook to nil): (wrong-type-argument 
>      extent-live-p #<extent>)
>
>            Is it bad? How to get rid of it?!

If you just got it once I wouldn't worry about it.  It's probably a
font-lock glitch.  If you can reproduce it, try enabling "Debug on
Error" (under "Options":"General Options") and report the backtrace
you get.  I suspect what's happening is that somehow font-lock-old-extent
is a destroyed extent when font-lock-fontify-glumped-region gets
called, in which case the patch below will probably fix it (be sure to
make all-elc after patching).

- Darrell

*** lisp/packages/font-lock.el.orig	Sun Jun  9 11:49:39 1996
--- lisp/packages/font-lock.el	Wed Jul  3 04:06:36 1996
***************
*** 743,749 ****
    ;; after every command.
    (unwind-protect
        ;; buffer may be deleted.
!       (if (buffer-live-p (extent-object font-lock-old-extent))
  	  (save-excursion
  	    (set-buffer (extent-object font-lock-old-extent))
  	    (font-lock-after-change-function-1
--- 743,750 ----
    ;; after every command.
    (unwind-protect
        ;; buffer may be deleted.
!       (if (and (extent-live-p font-lock-old-extent)
! 	       (buffer-live-p (extent-object font-lock-old-extent)))
  	  (save-excursion
  	    (set-buffer (extent-object font-lock-old-extent))
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From: Dinh-Tuan.Pham@once.imag.fr
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs defaults (and setq vs setq-default)
Date: 03 Jul 1996 10:29:36 +0200
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	Hi,
	I want to setup a system-wide default.elc file (for several
differents machines with different architecture in fact). I have some
questions.

The first question is about setq and setq-default (this is actually a
question on elisp semanitc)

1) Does every XEmacs variables can be set through setq-default ?

2) Since the .emacs file is red before the default.elc file, if the
user has setq some XEmacs variable in his/her .emacs, then it won't be
affected by default.elc even if in this file the same variable is
setq-default to another value, rignt ?

The other question is:

In the menu Options, there are options which are preset. How can I
change them. In particular

Printing Options/Pretty-print-Paper size : set to A4 instead of letter

Open URL with : set to netscape instead of emacs-w3

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From: Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: configuring gnus5 ?
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	Hi,
	I just install the new xemacs-19.14. Now when I try to post a
new, I get the message "your system appears to be misconfigured ..."
with gnus4 in xemacs-19.13, I have no such no problem. In fact, I have
need only set the variable

gnus-nntp-server and 
gnus-default-article-saver
gnus-article-save-directory
gnus-signature-file

So what does this message means. How can I find out the *minumum*
setting I need to configure gnus5. Lookinf at info, I havn't find any
useful information on configuring gnus5

By the way gnus5 seem to be much slower than gnu4 at startup. What
good is gnu5 any way ? (I am posting this messge through
xemacs-19.13/gnu4 to be sure that it would be sent)


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From: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: XEmacs movies. Was: Where are the ftp & FAQ sites for xemacs?
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In article <m27msvr7n2.fsf@sabine.ruhr.de> gw@sabine.ruhr.de (Georg Wiegand) writes:

   ES> Vladimir Alexiev writes:

   ES>  > xemacs.org
   ES>  > Hell, if they create a domain name for every new movie, you could easily bet
   ES>  > that xemacs would have one of its own. :-)

   ES> Great idea! A movie about XEmacs! 
   ES> I wonder who will be the bad guy(s)?  ;-)

   vi?

Sort of an arachnophobia plot? Some harmless-looking thing about
50kBytes in extent is suddenly hit by radiation, explodes into tens
of MBs, eating up all resources on its way, implanting itself
in the good guy and calling itself the viper-mode?

Infesting all his modes with viperous venom <V>, not offering any
possibility to get itself uninstalled, creeping more and more into
existing buffers, viperizing them, and infesting the good guy beyond
hope of removal, so that he has to save-buffers-kill-emacs himself.




-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5559

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Choosing "Insert File..." from the menue-bar causes XEmacs-19.14
in mail-mode to popup an empty file-selection-box. And this is  
accompanied by a Hang Up.

Using M-x insert-file is working is working fine.

Tschau Steffen 
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From: sw@struppi.wtech.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Stefan Walder)
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Hello,

the AIX-binaries are too large!
Has anyone a patch, that make xemacs to link with shared libraries?
Thanks

Stefan

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In article <qj3f3lic3x.fsf@xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu>,  <cthomp@xemacs.org> wrote:
|>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Levert <charles@comm.polymtl.ca> writes:
|
|    Charles> I am running xemacs in the eastern time zone (EDT).  I
|    Charles> use display-time.  In xemacs up to 19.13, the time shown
|    Charles> in the modeline was ok (although display-time-24hr-format
|    Charles> only takes effect after the first minute update).  In
|    Charles> 19.14, time is displayed as though I was in the pacific
|    Charles> time zone (PDT); I further checked this using calendar
|    Charles> mode (I know there is a variable to override the time
|    Charles> zone for this specific mode, but it's not in my .emacs).
|
|
|I could swear that this used to be in the FAQ.  This has always been a
|problem with the pre-built binary kits.  I have a very, very vague
|feeling that we might have fixed it at some point.  It is just as
|likely that we never did.  Anyone remember a better answer other than
|that standard party line:  build it yourself.

I thought the answer was that you needed to compile with the
SUNOS_LOCALTIME_CACHE_BUG option (or some similar option) defined.
It ought to be autocomputed -- maybe it's messing up.

ben
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My apologies if I've misled anyone - it's not the fontification 
of the buffer that is slow, but the function scanning 
(func-menu ??)

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In article <uidybl216ih.fsf@sybase.com>,
Gail Mara Gurman  <gail.gurman@sybase.com> wrote:
>How can I get Gnus to fontify citations? I've used "Customize" and it seems
>like there are variously colored faces defined for highlighting citations,
>but Gnus isn't using them.

In the Customize buffer there is a filter with a property that
defaults to "some" or "maybe" (forget which). Set it to "highlight" to
get everything.


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In article <31CD59A5.732@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>,
Vivek Rao  <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> wrote:
|I often split my Xemacs into a shell 
|buffer and several other buffers containing source
|files and output files. Before leaving Xemacs, I 
|would like to save the buffer configuration so 
|I can resume work on the same files when I open 
|Xemacs the next time. 
|
|I believe the 'bookmark.el' lisp program enables 
|me to do this, but after reading the documentation
|of the program, I still don't understand how. 
|Could someone please explain this to me? Please
|email me a copy of your reply. 

bookmark.el is not what you want.  Use desktop.el.

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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
> > 	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
> > 	   a Lisp expression.
> Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:

You must mean ESC-ESC-: or ESC-:. ESC-ESC-ESC is keyboard-escape-quit.

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I am getting core from xemacs due to call to 

#14 0xef283ad0 in tzcpy ()
#15 0xef283894 in _ltzset ()
#16 0xef282c3c in localtime ()
#17 0xef26e018 in ctime ()

I think this is a problem in the Solaris libc... is there a way to "avoid" it? 
A local wizard suggested calling keylogin... but this does not seem to fix my
problem...

Thanks in advance,

hill% ~ [81]:gdb  /opt/gnu/bin/xemacs core
/opt/gnu/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
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GDB 4.16 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4), 
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
 
warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /opt/SUNWmotif/lib/libXm.so.3...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/switch.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_nisplus.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/straddr.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_files.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_dns.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libresolv.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/tcpip.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
#0  0x145bec in _free_internal ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x145bec in _free_internal ()
#1  0xef731dd4 in _Tt_string_buf::__dt ()
#2  0xef731f74 in _Tt_new_ptr::__dt ()
#3  0xef731ef4 in _Tt_object_ptr::__dt ()
#4  0xef731eb8 in _Tt_string_buf_ptr::__dt ()
#5  0xef731e7c in _Tt_string::__dt ()
#6  0xef7327bc in _Tt_procid::__dt ()
#7  0xef74305c in _Tt_c_procid::__dt ()
#8  0xef731bb0 in _Tt_new_ptr::operator= ()
#9  0xef74cd3c in _Tt_c_mp::c_remove_procid ()
#10 0xef747210 in tt_close ()
#11 0x6b47c in fatal_error_signal ()
#12 <signal handler called>
#13 0x145bec in _free_internal ()
#14 0xef283ad0 in tzcpy ()
#15 0xef283894 in _ltzset ()
#16 0xef282c3c in localtime ()
#17 0xef26e018 in ctime ()
#18 0x67f94 in Fcurrent_time_string ()
#19 0x717cc in funcall_recording_as ()
#20 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#21 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#22 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#23 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#24 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#25 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#26 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#27 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#28 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#29 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#30 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#31 0x72448 in apply_lambda ()
#32 0x713c8 in Feval ()
#33 0x6f1d8 in condition_case_1 ()
#34 0x4f2d0 in Fbyte_code ()
#35 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#36 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#37 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#38 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#39 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#40 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#41 0x71368 in Feval ()
#42 0x6ddb4 in Fprogn ()
#43 0x4f23c in Fbyte_code ()
#44 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#45 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#46 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#47 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#48 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#49 0x71edc in Fapply ()
#50 0x72dc4 in apply1 ()
#51 0x511d8 in Fcall_interactively ()
#52 0x706fc in Fcommand_execute ()
#53 0x717cc in funcall_recording_as ()
#54 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#55 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#56 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#57 0x51f44 in Fcall_interactively ()
#58 0x706fc in Fcommand_execute ()
#59 0x7ea10 in execute_command_event ()
#60 0x7f02c in Fdispatch_event ()
#61 0x5654c in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#62 0x6f1d8 in condition_case_1 ()
#63 0x55d70 in command_loop_3 ()
#64 0x55da4 in command_loop_2 ()
#65 0x6ee2c in internal_catch ()
#66 0x55fd0 in initial_command_loop ()
#67 0x6c310 in main_1 ()
#68 0x6c710 in main ()
(gdb) quit

This is another one, although probably related

hill% ~ [76]:gdb xemacs core
xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (sparc-sun-solaris2.4), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
(no debugging symbols found)...
 
warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /opt/SUNWmotif/lib/libXm.so.3...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/switch.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_nisplus.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/straddr.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_files.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_dns.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libresolv.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/tcpip.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
#0  0x1450c0 in malloc ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x1450c0 in malloc ()
#1  0xef294bfc in tzcpy ()
#2  0xef294a78 in _ltzset_r ()
#3  0xef293e04 in _localtime_r ()
#4  0xef29324c in _ctime_r ()
#5  0xef282490 in _vsyslog ()
#6  0xef282378 in syslog ()
#7  0xef4eb8e0 in s_ioctl ()
#8  0xef4eb498 in fcntl ()
#9  0x1082ec in reset_one_console ()
#10 0x108344 in reset_all_consoles ()
#11 0x6c8b4 in shut_down_emacs ()
#12 0x6b47c in fatal_error_signal ()
#13 <signal handler called>
#14 0x145bec in _free_internal ()
#15 0xef283ad0 in tzcpy ()
#16 0xef283894 in _ltzset ()
#17 0xef282c3c in localtime ()
#18 0xef26e018 in ctime ()
#19 0x67f94 in Fcurrent_time_string ()
#20 0x717cc in funcall_recording_as ()
#21 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#22 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#23 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#24 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#25 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#26 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#27 0x4ea04 in Fbyte_code ()
#28 0x72768 in funcall_lambda ()
#29 0x71840 in funcall_recording_as ()
#30 0x72d7c in apply1 ()
#31 0x511d8 in Fcall_interactively ()
#32 0x706fc in Fcommand_execute ()
#33 0x7ea10 in execute_command_event ()
#34 0x7f02c in Fdispatch_event ()
#35 0x5654c in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#36 0x6f1d8 in condition_case_1 ()
#37 0x55d70 in command_loop_3 ()
#38 0x55da4 in command_loop_2 ()
#39 0x6ee2c in internal_catch ()
#40 0x55fd0 in initial_command_loop ()
#41 0x6c310 in main_1 ()
#42 0x6c710 in main ()
(gdb)  quit



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From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor])
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Subject: Re: Xemacs and AIX
Date: 03 Jul 1996 15:49:52 +0200
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>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Walder <sw@struppi.wtech.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

Stefan> Hello,

Stefan> the AIX-binaries are too large!
Stefan> Has anyone a patch, that make xemacs to link with shared libraries?

There's no way to do that.  XEmacs's allocator conflicts with the
built-in one, and AIX's "smart" linker doesn't let you give local
functions precedence over library functions.  I also doubt that the
space savings would be very significant.

Cheers =8-} Mike


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From: Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: BUG:reportmail,bbdb,mail-extract-address-components:(wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
Date: 03 Jul 1996 15:05:34 +0100
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I had a similar problem with mail-extract-address-components.  I found the
error was that it was picking up an old version from bbdb. The version in
bbdb was 1.7, and that did use :-pos symbol.  However, a new version is in

lisp/utils/mail-extr.el
and this seems to work fine.

Cheers, Stephen

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From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
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This file open dialog box in 19.14 is a nice try, but needs work
(and documentation).

Where is it implemented/documented? Can't seem to find it in the usual places.
I would like to customize it or turn it off.

Various quirks and problems I have observed:

If you open a directory with no files, just sub-directories, the left-hand
window is left showing whatever was there before and the sub-directories are
shown in the right-hand window.

Middle-clicking on a file name that is a completion of a partial name does not
complete the name, but treats it as a directory. i.e. foo<tab> completes to
foobar, middle-clicking on foobar gives foo/foobar.

If there are too many completions to display in the window you have to scroll
in *2* dimensions to see them. Can't the completion list and the window agree
on a width to format the output?

If the default directory path does not exist the dialog exits with an error.
Don't remember exactly how I got into that state.

-- 
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tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller) writes:

>  This seems very related to what I  posted recently under the thread
> "Re: 19.14 probs: CPU-intensive cursor; vanishing menus", although I
> don't know what's going on or have a fix.  Tim

It seems  to me that  the compilation with the option "--with-xmu=yes"
speed up the cursor movement on sparc-sunos-4.1.3 ...

--
Pascal

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From: William Perry <wmperry@spry.com>
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cjwoods@GIGOTech.NET (Chris Woods) writes:

> 
> kendall shaw writes:
>  > do you?
> 
> Yes.

  Wow, how?  It has been one of my recurring headaches that I have never
been able to get Emacs-W3 working under XEmacs on Solaris 2.x - there
appears to be a bug in determining when a network connection dies.  I'll
put any information you have in the W3 documentation / apply any patches
you have for the next beta version.

-Bill P.

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	I used to be able to have my vm frame (using 
	(setq vm-frame-parameter-alist '((folder ((name . "vm")))))) 
	cursor a different colour from the usual one using something like:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.cursorColor: green
Emacs*vm.cursorColor:         DarkSlateBlue

	Now, I cannot get mv vm frame cursor to change colour.  Please
      tell the appropriate X resources incantation to make it change.

	Thanks, 
	Paul.

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From: Pascal Molli <molli@gregory.loria.fr>
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I use the *great* TM package for MIME support. In this package you can
record  a voice  message in  a mail.  To   achieve this  goal (only on
SUNOS), the package  start a synchronous process  to do "/bin/cat"  on
"/dev/audio". To stop recording, you must press C-g in order to send a
SIGINT to the subprocess.

It seem's to me that C-g is not active during the subprocess execution
.  The only way  i found to stop  recording is  to kill the subprocess
manually ...

Perhap's I have missed something ?? Any hint ??

--
Pascal

PS: Here is my configuration :
./configure sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 --x-includes=/usr/local/X11R5/include
--x-libraries=/usr/local/X11R5/lib --with-gcc --cflags=-O3 --dynamic
--prefix=/local/genielog/src/xemacs-19.14 --with-xpm --with-xface
--with-gif --with-jpeg=no --with-png=no --with-database=no
--with-tooltalk=no --with-sparcworks=no --with-cde=no
--with-energize=no -external-widget=no --with-mocklisp=no
--with-xmu=yes --with-sound=none


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In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep  1 1995 on qbic1-t.almaden.ibm.com (aix-v3) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

Hello,

The function add-changelog-entry does not seem work within an
old-style C function definition. I use C-mode. Is this likely to
be solved if I use cc-mode ?

Cheers
Sailesh
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Forgive me, if this is a FAQ, but I am new to xemacs.:
I just retrieved the binaries 
xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz
and installed them on my SPARC Solaris 2.5 machine, running CDE as its desktop
environment. When I use ^x^f I get the following warning message:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of 
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

What is the proper fix for this? I tried setting the following in my Xdefaults
file:

Emacs.italic.attributeFont: "-dt-interface user-bold-r-normal-m *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

however, this changed the appearance of the menu bar as well. So I must be
missing something there?
Please email, since I usually don't monitor this new group

Jo
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>>>> Thus spake 'Timothy Miller' (TM):

 TM> This seems very related to what I posted recently under the thread "Re:
 TM> 19.14 probs: CPU-intensive cursor; vanishing menus", although I don't know
 TM> what's going on or have a fix. Tim

I'm stumped. On my SparcStation 2/Solaris 2.4 machine I have no problems with
XEmacs 19.14. Same on a Motorola PowerStack AIX 4.1.4 box. I've tried to
duplicate Tim's scenario without success.

Brad
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My xemacs 19.13 crashes EVERY time I exit it with C-x C-c. I have
this problem since I recompiled it with a prefix other than the
default /usr/local/. I get a segmentation fault regardless of I work
with it for hours or if I do no editing before leaving xemacs. Besides
that, xemacs works perfectly. 

I have compiled Xemacs 19.13 on a Sparcstation 20 running Solaris 2.3.
I have configured it with "configure  --with-gcc
--site-includes=~szhpcf/include --site-libraries=~szhpcf/lib
--prefix=/export/opt/xemacs". I used gcc 2.5.8 to compile xemacs and
got no warnings during the build.
 
I have included gdb output below. What can I do to solve the problem?
It's not preventing me from working with xemacs, but its a nuisance to
have a 3 MB core file lying around (and especially being written over
NFS...). I would like to correct the problem before I persuade my
colleagues to switch to from emacs-19.22 to xemacs-19.13 (I use it for
months). 

/Francois


===================== gdb output ==========================
GDB 4.12 (sparc-sun-solaris2), Copyright 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
(gdb) r
r
Starting program: /opt/bin/xemacs 

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
_free_internal (ptr=0xef2b4368) at gmalloc.c:905
905		  next->next = prev->next;
(gdb) where
where
#0  _free_internal (ptr=0xef2b4368) at gmalloc.c:905
#1  0xedbfc in free (ptr=0xef2b4368) at gmalloc.c:953
#2  0xef294bf4 in tzcpy ()
#3  0xef294914 in _ltzset_r ()
#4  0xef293e04 in _localtime_r ()
#5  0xef29324c in _ctime_r ()
#6  0xef282490 in _vsyslog ()
#7  0xef282378 in syslog ()
#8  0xef47b8e0 in s_ioctl ()
#9  0xef47b498 in fcntl ()
#10 0x82ec4 in reset_sigio_on_device (d=0x1f3600) at sysdep.c:928
#11 0x835c0 in reset_one_device (d=0x1f3600) at sysdep.c:1810
#12 0x83618 in reset_all_devices () at sysdep.c:1835
#13 0x7a3c4 in shut_down_emacs (sig=0, no_x=0, stuff=270241796) at emacs.c:1368
#14 0x7a370 in Fkill_emacs (arg=270241796) at emacs.c:1331
#15 0xadbc0 in funcall_subr (subr=0x126c8c, args=0xefffeeb0) at eval.c:2692
#16 0xad7fc in Ffuncall (nargs=0, args=0xefffef58) at eval.c:2556
#17 0xc52b0 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=806771472, vector=1075207084, 
    maxdepth=1465240) at bytecode.c:407
#18 0xae0f0 in funcall_lambda (fun=269900948, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xeffff19c)
    at eval.c:2830
#19 0xad8e8 in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0xeffff198) at eval.c:2575
#20 0xa9a68 in Fcall_interactively (function=270323372, record_flag=270241796)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---

    at callint.c:737
#21 0xac7a4 in Fcommand_execute (cmd=270323372, record=270241796)
    at eval.c:2016
#22 0x5c82c in execute_command_event (command_builder=0x1d5d00, event=3390524)
    at event-stream.c:2943
#23 0x5cf30 in Fdispatch_event (event=271825980) at event-stream.c:3243
#24 0x7b1cc in Fcommand_loop_1 () at keyboard.c:527
#25 0x7afe8 in command_loop_1 (dummy=270241796) at keyboard.c:442
#26 0xabb98 in condition_case_1 (handlers=270241892, 
    bfun=0x7afd0 <command_loop_1>, barg=270241796, hfun=0x7a9f4 <cmd_error>, 
    harg=270241796) at eval.c:1499
#27 0x7aaec in command_loop_2 (dummy=270241796) at keyboard.c:223
#28 0xab82c in internal_catch (tag=270318940, func=0x7aac0 <command_loop_2>, 
    arg=270241796, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1250
#29 0x7acd4 in initial_command_loop (load_me=502464) at keyboard.c:263
#30 0x79f94 in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xeffff8f4, envp=0xeffff8fc)
    at emacs.c:1196
#31 0x7a2b4 in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffff8f4, envp=0xeffff8fc) at emacs.c:1298
(gdb) 

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If truncate-lines is set to t and the text in the buffer has
text-properties XEmacs becomes painfully slow at moving the cursor
around the buffer.  The more properties on the text, the more slowly
the cursor moves.

I haven't checked why yet, but I thought I'd share this to hopefully
get some insight.  GNUS in particular sets truncate-lines, and applies
several properties to text when it's in gnus-group-mode.

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Subject: Re: XEmacs-19.14 - several prob's! Help!
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jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy) writes:

> In article <omhgrq6kdu.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev
> <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

>  In article <4rc4sb$7f5@swifty.cfa.org> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri
>  Blumenthal) writes:

>  > 	2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate
>  > 	   a Lisp expression.
>  Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:

> This caught me also.  What is one supposed to have read to learn about
> this change and other incompatible changes?  I didn't notice anything
> in the "What's new" about incompatible changes.  I also don't know
> what to do to get the colors in gnus so they don't obscure the text.
> I use white on black.

It's in the release notes part of XEmacs News (C-h n) and was done in
the name of compatibility with GNU Emacs 19.30.
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BDR> == Brynn D Rogers <brynn@sashimi.wwa.com>

 BDR> I love ps-print-buffer-with-faces, but trying to print the colors is
 BDR> a little extreme, especially on a plain old HP 4 (4M?) with
 BDR> postscript.

Try (setq ps-print-color-p nil)

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From: mahesh@jaguNET.com (B.G. Mahesh)
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Subject: xemacs-19.14 crashes on SunOS 4.1.3
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I have installed xemacs-19.14 on SunOS 4.1.3 and
it crashes as soon as I execute it :-(

Here is the info from gdb,

Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x2618d0 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x2618d0 in kill ()
#1  0x2ad94 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0xf90f0 in malloc (size=4712832) at gmalloc.c:594
#4  0x1e6b3c in XtMalloc ()
#5  0x1f8b54 in XtAppAddInput ()
#6  0xd7344 in init_event_Xt_late () at event-Xt.c:2607
#7  0x3f818 in init_event_stream () at event-stream.c:4405
#8  0x2bb98 in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xf7fff15c, envp=0xf7fff164)
    at emacs.c:1248
#9  0x2c110 in main (argc=1, argv=0xf7fff15c, envp=0xf7fff164) at emacs.c:1461
(gdb) 

any suggestions is appreciated..

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In xemacs 19.11, if I did \C-x\C-f and then moved the mouse over a valid
filename, it would get highlighted and button-2 would open the file.
This feature seems to be lost in XEmacs 19.14?
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Pascal Molli <molli@gregory.loria.fr> writes:

> 
> 
> I use the *great* TM package for MIME support. In this package you can
> record  a voice  message in  a mail.  To   achieve this  goal (only on
> SUNOS), the package  start a synchronous process  to do "/bin/cat"  on
> "/dev/audio". To stop recording, you must press C-g in order to send a
> SIGINT to the subprocess.
> 
> It seem's to me that C-g is not active during the subprocess execution
> .  The only way  i found to stop  recording is  to kill the subprocess
> manually ...
> 
> Perhap's I have missed something ?? Any hint ??
> 

I answer to my stupid question ! the answer is in the FAQ %o} !

-------------------------------------------------------------
 Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't, there are only two
explanations: 

   1.The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t. Ctrl-Shift-G should
     still work, I think. 
   2.SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined. 

To test #2, try executing 

(while t)

from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're seeing #2. 
-------------------------------------------------------------

--
Pascal

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I'm also seeing this on hpux9 (gcc, static compile).
After a few hours keyboard response to C-f gets very slow.
Setting pre- and post- command-hooks to nil did not help, either.

gcp@opus.mc.com (Gerry Pocock) writes:

> What happens is that after running xemacs for a while, approximately
> 20 minutes, the response to key strokes starts to slow down and the
> response of xemacs almost grinds to a halt. It eventually becomes so
> bad that I have to kill xemacs and start again. This problem is
> easily seen when trying to create a region to kill (e.g.,
> <ctl>-<space> [<ctl>-n]* ). The cursor can't keep up with the key
> strokes. This happens with a C file where font-lock is enabled.
> 
> I have tried this with both the precompiled executables for sunos
> 4.1.3 as well as building my own executables using both x11r5 and
> x11r6 includes and libraries. All seem to exhibit the same symptoms.

-- 
--tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

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After issuing 'M-x occur', and entering in a regex string, the mode
properly displays all lines in the last selected buffer.  However,
when I move the cursor into that window, and hit 'C-c C-c' (which is
bound to the occur-mode-goto-occurrence function) I have to move back
to the original buffer to see where the point is.  In FSF GNU Emacs, I
didn't have to do this -- the cursor would automatically move back
to the original searched buffer.

Is this a bug that's corrected in 19.14?

I'm running on a SunOS 4 SparcStation 10, Xemacs 19.13.

Thanks
Brent Goodrick

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Hi,
	Help me please to get some concepts clear.

	In 19.13 one could use distinctive references
	to "BackSpace" and "Delete" keys, remapping
	those as one saw fit.

	In 19.14 it appears to me, that "BackSpace"
	is hardcoded (or otherwise tangled) to
	"Delete", so that somewhere deep in
	the guts of XEmacs it translates
	both to "DEL"...

	I tried to fight this via commenting out the
	relevant lines in "prim/keydefs.el" - but it
	did not have effect!

;; Define standard keybindings..........................
;; Default binding of "Backspace" is the same as delete.
;; Default binding of "Control-h" is help.
;(define-key global-map 'backspace '[delete]) ; STUPID!!
;(define-key global-map '(meta backspace) '[(meta delete)])
;(define-key global-map '(control backspace) '[(control delete)])
;(define-key global-map '(control meta backspace) '[(control meta delete)])

	And I even added one:

(define-key global-map 'backspace	'delete-backward-char)


	But nothing like that helped. Oh, and what I tried
	to achieve was to get my old definitions working
	again:

  (global-set-key '[(BackSpace)] 'delete-backward-char) ; BackSpace
  (global-set-key '[(delete)]    'delete-char)          ; Delete


	An explanation (plus possible cures) is appreciated!

	[The only cure I has been told so far is to remap
	"delete" to "deletechar" and "backspace" to "delete".
	It works, but looks weird.]
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: Re: Line numbers on Mode Line
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 16:07:59 -0400
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To display row and column numbers, I use:
(setq line-number-mode t)
(display-column-mode t)

-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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From: physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Ryurick M. Hristev)
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Michael Tennes (mtennes@ford.com) wrote:
: Is there any way to display the line number of a file on the mode line?

In your .emacs file:

(setq line-number-mode t)

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"Allen M. Cohen" <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> writes:

> Used gcc 2.7.2
I had success on Ultrix 4.3 using gcc 2.6.0, 

> ./configure --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --cflags '-O -G 0'
./configure \
        mips-dec-ultrix4.3 \
        --with-gcc=yes \
        --x-libraries=/usr/lib/X11 \
        --with-x \
        --rel-alloc=no \
        --with-menubars=lucid \
        --with-scrollbars=motif \
        --with-dialogs=motif \
        --with-xpm \
	--with-xmu \

> 1) needed to link ultrix.h with ultrix4-3.h  (conftest.c complained)
Did the naughty and patched configure instead.

> 2) emacsserver.c:64 -- comment out "#include <sys/socket.h>
>    (redefinition linger, sockaddr, sockproto, msghdr)
Patched #include <sys/socket.h> to allow multiple includes.

> 3) waitpid's prototype in ULTRIX 4.3 is:
>    waitpid (pid_t, union wait *, int options);
Did not use the prototype.

> 4) lib/Xpm.a (misc.o): strdup mult defined
>    Fix: In alloc.c:467
>    #ifndef HAVE_XPM
>    #ifdef NEED_STRDUP
>    ...
>    #endif
>    #endif
Put this in ultrix.h instead. Used the xpm-3.4f-patched.tar.gz from the
xemacs ftp site for xpm.

> 5) First the good news:  Finally built it.
>    Now the bad news: when starting up, I see a blank toolbar and
>    "memory exhausted" msg in mini-buffer.
>    Any suggestions???

Had an error the first time I tried to link. Something about my_edata being
both a large and a small symbol. Made the following patch to emacs.c

** /home/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c.orig	Fri Jun 21 18:55:43 1996
--- /home/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c	Tue Jun 25 20:40:46 1996
***************
*** 1621,1627 ****
  /* Nothing like this can be implemented on an Apollo.
     What a loss!  */
  
! extern int my_edata;
  
  #ifdef HAVE_SHM
  
--- 1621,1627 ----
  /* Nothing like this can be implemented on an Apollo.
     What a loss!  */
  
! extern  char my_edata[27];
  
  #ifdef HAVE_SHM

After that, it compiled, links, and runs just fine on my 32MB DECStation
5000/125 Ultrix 4.3 machine and the executable even runs on my Ultrix 4.2
machine (ignoring the warnings about unsupported keysyms.)

-- 
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Hi, all.  I've just moved over to xemacs from emacs and am wondering
how to remove all faces (underline, reverse, etc.) when I start up
xemacs over a tty.

I'm sure this is a FAQ, but couldn't find the answer.

I'm using xemacs 19.12.

many thanks!
greg
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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Time Zome problem
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 16:20:51 -0400
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Lennart Svensson wrote:
> 
> I have problem to get the time correct at the mode line.
> It will allways show American time which means 9 hours to less.
> 
> I have the following in my .emascsfile:
> 
> (setq set-time-zone-rule "CET=2")
> (setq display-time-day-and-date t
>       display-time-24hr-format t)
> (display-time)
> 
> Everything is running on sunos4.1.4 and Xemacs 19.14
> 
> It MUST be wrong timezone but what should I set instead of CET=2 ???
> --

I have a similar problem, but my time always reads 6 hours too much.
I am in EST, but I don't know how to setup up my time correctly.

-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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From: dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com (David Karr)
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I have spent a lot of time integrating GNU Emacs 19 (currently up to
31) into our development environment.  I am investigating using XEmacs
19.14, because of its integration with SparcWorks.  Unfortunately,
XEmacs 19.14 doesn't seem to like .elc files that were compiled with
GNU Emacs 19.29 or later.  I really don't want to maintain one
directory with GNU-compiled elisp files, and the other with the same
elisp files compiled with XEmacs.  Even if I did, I can't seem to
figure out how to tell XEmacs how to look there.  There seems to be
some mysterious behavior separate from "load-path" that determines
where to find elisp files.

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From: dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com (David Karr)
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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:
In article <kkeybl2by3l.fsf@radionics.com> Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:

  Gary> I don't think I'm imagining this.  I run typically with several frames
  Gary> open on the screen.  Occasionally it seems that the C-v and M-v key
  Gary> strokes fall onto the other frame.  I'll have focus in one frame, type
  Gary> C-v and see the other frame scroll-up.  

  Gary> Has anyone else expierenced this?

I've experienced this with GNU Emacs 19.31 on Solaris 2.5.  I haven't
used XEmacs enough (since it doesn't work when GNU Emacs 19.31 is
installed) to see if it occurs there also.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: xemacs defaults (and setq vs setq-default)
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In article <woj7mslloy7.fsf@once.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Dinh-Tuan.Pham@once.imag.fr writes:

> 1) Does every XEmacs variables can be set through setq-default ?
Yes. If it's not buffer-local, this is equivalent to setq.

> 2) Since the .emacs file is red before the default.elc file, if the
> user has setq some XEmacs variable in his/her .emacs, then it won't be
> affected by default.elc even if in this file the same variable is
> setq-default to another value, rignt ?
On the contrary, it will. defvar does not affect a variable that has
already been set (but not when called interactively).

Here's a comment in default.el on my site:

;; You probably want to put all of your run-time site initializations in
;; "site/site-start.el" since this is run BEFORE a user's personal init
;; file, allowing him to easily override site settings.
;;   To disable execution of this file when you start up GNU Emacs, add the
;; following line to your ~/.emacs file, after uncommenting it:
;;      (setq inhibit-default-init t)


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From: Dominic Romeo <romeo@bns102.cs.lmco.com>
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Subject: PROBLEM: Building Xemacs-19.14 on Solaris 2.5
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I am having problems building xemacs on solaris 2.5:

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation
error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'

It all seems to compile ok. Is this a linking problem?
I am using gcc-2.7.2 and the GNU binutils-2.6 (assembler, linker ...).

My timing has been all wrong.  When I checked the news group, it only went back
to saturday on our news server, and I didn't find anything pertaining to 
compile problems on Solaris. So I check the FAQ and found that an archive
is kept.  The last archive is only til may 31.  The new version of Xemacs
was released in the middle of june.  If I only had access to  the weeks
following the release ...  My search efforts have failed so far.

Dom
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From: Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov>
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I'm using XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3.  When I try to get a file
from a VAX running VMS using ange-ftp, I can initially read
and write without problems.  After a while, the FTP
connection times out, and the connection is closed.  After
this, if I try to save a file with C-x C-s or C-x s, no
errors are issued, but the file isn't saved.  Looking at the 
*ftp user@node* buffer, a put is issued (which fails with No
connection) and no attempt is made to reopen the connection.
 
In 19.12, a second attempt at saving the file would cause the
connection to be reopened.  This no longer happens.

Any ideas what's happening?

The only ange-ftp customizations that I make are

  (setq ange-ftp-default-user nil)

Troy Daniels
tdaniels@fnald.fnal.gov

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Using XEmacs 19.xx with GNU Emacs 19.xx
Date: 04 Jul 1996 01:11:19 +0200
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David Karr (dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
> I have spent a lot of time integrating GNU Emacs 19 (currently up to
> 31) into our development environment.  I am investigating using XEmacs
> 19.14, because of its integration with SparcWorks.  Unfortunately,
> XEmacs 19.14 doesn't seem to like .elc files that were compiled with
> GNU Emacs 19.29 or later.  I really don't want to maintain one

It is true. Although, files byte-compiled under XEmacs do work under
GNU Emacs 19.30+ (I checked this with Gnus 5.x). Thus, if one wanted
to maintain one directory tree, my choice would be the XEmacs one (but
I'm biased). XEmacs lisp tree is also easier to maintain because of
directories.

Note, however, that lisp source tree is one of the crucial parts of
both editors, and they really want to have their lisp guts in the form
they like it. That is to say -- you will have to have different source
trees for both editors, at least for the most important .elc-s.

> directory with GNU-compiled elisp files, and the other with the same
> elisp files compiled with XEmacs.  Even if I did, I can't seem to
> figure out how to tell XEmacs how to look there.  There seems to be
> some mysterious behavior separate from "load-path" that determines
> where to find elisp files.

This sounds strange. Actually, XEmacs is known for its more natural
behaviour regarding load-path, looking it up dynamically, instead of
compile-time hardcoding (the same thing may have been implemented in
GNU Emacs too). Try looking up the instructions for site-*.el in the
INSTALL file.

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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I'd like to have VM and Gnus always:

(1) use their own frames and not wander into others or allow other buffers
    in

and

(2) Use "VM" and "Gnus" instead of "INBOX Summary" and "*Groups*" as their
    respective window titles and icons (assuming I've left them in the state
    that would cause them to use those names).

In other words, I'd like them to act sort of like separate applications that
just happen to run under XEmacs.

How can I set this up?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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Subject: Wrong doc on variable sgml-custom-dtd
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-----------------------------------------------
Wrong documentation on variable sgml-custom-dtd
-----------------------------------------------

Documentation:
Menu entries to be added to the DTD menu.
The value should be a list of entrys to be added to the DTD menu.
Every entry should be a list. The first element of the entry is a string
used as the menu entry.  The second element is a string containing a
doctype declaration (this can be nil if no doctype).  The rest of the
list should be a list of variables and values.  For backward
compatibility a singel string instead of a variable is assigned to
sgml-default-dtd-file.  All variables are made buffer local and are also
added to the buffers local variables list.

Example:
   (("HTML" nil
     sgml-default-dtd-file "~/sgml/html.ced"
     sgml-omittag nil sgml-shorttag nil)
    ("HTML+" "<!doctype htmlplus system 'htmlplus.dtd'>"
     "~/sgml/htmlplus.ced"
     sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag nil)
    ("DOCBOOK" "<!doctype docbook system 'docbook.dtd'>"
     "~/sgml/docbook.ced"
     sgml-omittag nil sgml-shorttag t)))

============================================================================

The above will not work in XEmacs-19.14. I have removed psgml.elc
first before verifying this problem.

The Custom-DTD list must be of the form

'(("DTD-Name" "Doctype-String" '(VAR VAL VAR VAL ...)) ("Next DTD-Name"
'(...)))

which differs from the documentation in the fact that all
variable-value pairs have to be combined into a list.

============================================================================

Here is what I use:

(setq sgml-custom-dtd
      '(("HTML-2"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-2.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t
	   sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-2S"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML Strict 2.0//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-2S.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-3"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML 3.0//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-3.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-3S"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//IETF//DTD HTML Strict Level 3//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-3S.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-MCOM"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//Netscape Comm. Corp.//DTD HTML//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-MCOM.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-MCOMS"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//Netscape Comm. Corp.//DTD Strict
HTML//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-MCOMS.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-3.2"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-3.2.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag t
	   ))
	("HTML-3.2S"
	 "<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD Strict HTML 3.2//EN\">"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/HTML-3.2S.ced"
	   sgml-omittag nil sgml-shorttag nil
	   ))
	("HTML+" "<!doctype htmlplus system 'htmlplus.dtd'>"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/htmlplus.ced"
	   sgml-omittag t sgml-shorttag nil
	   ))
	("DOCBOOK" "<!doctype docbook system 'docbook.dtd'>"
	 '(
	   sgml-default-dtd-file "~/SGML/docbook.ced"
	   sgml-omittag nil sgml-shorttag t
	   ))))

============================================================================

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In article <9607030813.AA28032@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU>,
Darrell Kindred  <dkindred+@cmu.edu> wrote:
>Well, this change and assorted others were mentioned under "Major
>Differences Between 19.13 and 19.14" both in the 19.14 announcement
>and in "XEmacs News" (under the Help menu).

One major change that wasn't mentioned is that keyboard-translate-table
is now readonly, and you have to use the new function (keyboard-translate)
instead. This was most annoying to track down (when my .emacs stopped
working). Is (keyboard-translate) in FSF Emacs, or do I have to test the
value of (emacs-version)?
-- 
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James Buster (bitbug@seal.engr.sgi.com) wrote:
> One major change that wasn't mentioned is that keyboard-translate-table
> is now readonly, and you have to use the new function (keyboard-translate)
> instead. This was most annoying to track down (when my .emacs stopped
> working). Is (keyboard-translate) in FSF Emacs, or do I have to test the
> value of (emacs-version)?

keyboard-translate was there in GNU Emacs all along, and some of us
were annoyed for not having it in XEmacs. :-)

However, the implementation is completely different (string
vs. hash-table), so if you wish to write portable elisp, just use
keyboard-translate in both Emacsen. However, since
keyboard-translate-table is now readonly, I do not understand how to
delete an entry from it portably, other than assigning it to itself?

-- 
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hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
------------------------------------------------------------------
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William Perry writes:
 > cjwoods@GIGOTech.NET (Chris Woods) writes:
 >   Wow, how?  It has been one of my recurring headaches that I have never
 > been able to get Emacs-W3 working under XEmacs on Solaris 2.x - there
 > appears to be a bug in determining when a network connection dies.  I'll
 > put any information you have in the W3 documentation / apply any patches
 > you have for the next beta version.

Apparently, I spoke too quickly. I had tried it out briefly when I
first installed 19.14 last week and the default page came up fine. I
just tried it again and attempted a connection to www.netscape.com,
the page came up halfway, and as soon as it attempted another
connection (presumably to retrieve some images or something) I got an
error telling me that "a WWW connection is already open" or something
similar.

My apologies. It worked fine with 19.13, too, although I didn't use it
extensively.

		-cjw

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About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for exactly 29
seconds before reporting "compilation finished". Obviously a timeout.
Any hints for diagnosing this? I am on AIX4, using 19.13 & .14.
Using bash as my shell.

Thanks
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Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr writes:

> 	I just install the new xemacs-19.14. Now when I try to post a
> new, I get the message "your system appears to be misconfigured ..."
> with gnus4 in xemacs-19.13, I have no such no problem. In fact, I have
> need only set the variable

Set `mail-host-address' and `user-mail-address' to appropriate
values. 

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On XEmacs 19.14, using the packaged filladapt 2.08, I see the
following weirdness.

Filladapt's fill-region-as-paragraph converts the last blank line, of
any blank lines leading the actual paragraph, into a space prefixing
the subsequently filled paragraph.  How's that for an unreadable, but
succinct, description?  Here's the picture, if you prefer:

--------------------------------------------------
This is paragraph
one.

This is 
paragraph two.
--------------------------------------------------

With filladapt enabled, this (region not including the dashes) gets
filled as:

--------------------------------------------------
This is paragraph one.
 This is paragraph two.
--------------------------------------------------

Now, this seems too bogus to have not been reported earlier, so I'm
probably missing something.

Anyways, the following patch fixes stuff for me.  Will someone please
tell me that it's not needed and I'm overlooking the obvious? 

The original behavious is driving me nuts in GNUS where I hit "W w"
all the time.

-Sudish


diff -c /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/packages/filladapt.el~ /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/packages/filladapt.el
*** /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/packages/filladapt.el~	Thu Jul  4 00:10:09 1996
--- /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/packages/filladapt.el	Thu Jul  4 00:10:09 1996
***************
*** 373,378 ****
--- 373,382 ----
  	(let ((filladapt-inside-filladapt t)
  	      line-start last-token)
  	  (goto-char beg)
+ 	  ;; skip to first line containing non-whitespace chars
+ 	  (skip-chars-forward " \t\n")
+ 	  (beginning-of-line)
+ 	  (setq beg (point))
  	  (end-of-line)
  	  (while (zerop (forward-line))
  	    (if (setq last-token

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Someday, I'll be able to put all the stuff I want to say into the
first post so I won't have to followup to myself so fucking often.

I wrote:
> With filladapt enabled, this (region not including the dashes) gets
> filled as:

To be precise, I used fill-region to fill everything between the first
set of dashed lines.  The second call to fill-region-as-paragraph from
fill-region chomps the separating blank line, replacing it with a
space.
-- 
Sudish

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: compilation hangs for 29 seconds
Date: 03 Jul 1996 22:17:02 -0700
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edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

> 
> About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for exactly 29
> seconds before reporting "compilation finished". Obviously a timeout.
> Any hints for diagnosing this? I am on AIX4, using 19.13 & .14.
> Using bash as my shell.

Likely a 30 second license server timeout before switching to an
alternate server.  Using xlc, right?

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Subject: Splitting mail with Gnus causes XEmacs to dump core
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I am beginning to use Gnus to read my mail (it's a *very* good
newsreader).  However, I ran into a bug.  The scenario is that I have
several remote mailboxes that I access using a POP client to download to
a local file.  Then I invoke Gnus to split the file so that I may read
mail (setq nnmail-spool-file "~/mbox.pop").  XEmacs will crash & dump
core when Gnus attempts to split a mail item that contains the unescaped
phrase of the form 'from <http://just.an.example>' at the beginning of a
line in the body.

System particulars:


FreeBSD dexter.wellserv.com 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0:\
 Wed May 15 05:13:02 EDT 1996\
     root@dexter.wellserv.com:/home/sys/compile/CRESCENT  i386

XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-freebsd) of Fri Jun 28 1996\
 on dexter.wellserv.com

(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x90f07 in re_match_2_internal ()
(gdb) whe
#0  0x90f07 in re_match_2_internal ()
#1  0x8fb06 in re_search_2 ()
#2  0x95276 in search_buffer ()
#3  0x94bea in search_command ()
#4  0x95f94 in Fre_search_forward ()
#5  0x2a975 in primitive_funcall ()
#6  0x2ab18 in funcall_subr ()
#7  0x2a230 in funcall_recording_as ()
#8  0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#9  0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#10 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#11 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()                    
#12 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#13 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#14 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()                        
#15 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()                     
#16 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#17 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#18 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#19 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#20 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#21 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#22 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#23 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#24 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#25 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#26 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#27 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#28 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#29 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#30 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#31 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#32 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#33 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#34 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#35 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#36 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#37 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#38 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#39 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#40 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#41 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#42 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#43 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#44 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#45 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#46 0x2a92d in primitive_funcall ()
#47 0x2ab18 in funcall_subr ()
#48 0x29f11 in Feval ()
#49 0x271f3 in Fprogn ()
#50 0x2c952 in unbind_to ()
#51 0xd6af in Fbyte_code ()
#52 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#53 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#54 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#55 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#56 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#57 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#58 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#59 0xfd18 in Fcall_interactively ()
#60 0x29409 in Fcommand_execute ()
#61 0x2a92d in primitive_funcall ()
#62 0x2ab18 in funcall_subr ()
#63 0x2a230 in funcall_recording_as ()
#64 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#65 0xd646 in Fbyte_code ()
#66 0x2ae78 in funcall_lambda ()
#67 0x2a2ce in funcall_recording_as ()
#68 0x2a323 in Ffuncall ()
#69 0xfd18 in Fcall_interactively ()
#70 0x29409 in Fcommand_execute ()
#71 0x35062 in execute_command_event ()
#72 0x3564e in Fdispatch_event ()
#73 0x12bdb in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#74 0x12a5b in command_loop_1 ()
#75 0x281d8 in condition_case_1 ()
#76 0x125b0 in command_loop_3 ()
#77 0x125d8 in command_loop_2 ()
#78 0x27e99 in internal_catch ()
#79 0x1276c in initial_command_loop ()
#80 0x25945 in main_1 ()
#81 0x25d16 in main ()
(gdb) 

-- 
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Subject: Re: regex bug with html
Date: 04 Jul 1996 08:11:18 +0200
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amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

> On Dec alpha 3.2, If I fontify a certain html file xemacs crashes.
> Problem seems to be with GNU regex on parsing comments that end in just '>'.
> It will crash on a file that looks like:

I think that this might be a DUNIX stack growth bug.  I ran into
something similar with complex regexps.  

What is the regexp, or which html package are you using?  Have you tried
the same html package under Emacs 19.3x (it'll probably crash as well)?

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Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

Hi, all.  I've just 'discovered' the wonderful world of xemacs, and
was thrilled that I could edit transparently files on remote hosts
like vax and sun.  However when I try to edit a file on a Windows NT
server I couldn't get xemacs to understand the following
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file name.  It always tries to access a host C, which is actually the
disk on altair.  The default directory I can login (ftp) is C:\ftp.  I
tried 
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but apperently it made it a local file name.

Your help is appreciated.

-weiping

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I made a mistake in the parent article... I said it crashed under 2.4 but it
was 2.3 (it is propably of some importance).
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From: Per Oeyvind Heldal <Per.Heldal@alcatel.no>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [19.13] Segmentation fault whenever exiting (C-x X-c)
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Francois Perruchoud wrote:
> 
> My xemacs 19.13 crashes EVERY time I exit it with C-x C-c. I have
> this problem since I recompiled it with a prefix other than the
> default /usr/local/. I get a segmentation fault regardless of I work
> with it for hours or if I do no editing before leaving xemacs. Besides
> that, xemacs works perfectly.
> 

I had the same problem with xemacs 19.13 and 19.14 on Solaris 2.3. The
problem was solved by recompiling xemacs using the GNU C-compiler
(gcc-2.7.2), hence the problem seems to be related to some bug in the
sparcworks C-compiler.


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I've found at least one bug involving the VM toolbar.

If I use the File button to save a message, I have no problem ordinarily
saving the message in an existing file. However, if I want to create a new
file, I have major problems. The way I do it is this:

1. Select File button

	*Files* buffer comes up in a separate frame

2. Select "Click here for keyboard interface"

	A small *Group* frame appears with an input line allowing me
	(supposedly) to enter the file name.

	Bug #1: If I move the mouse pointer out of the frame (like I'm doing
		now to type this), the input line disappears. If I type 
		something or click in the frame, it returns. Okay, I just
		realized that this input line is the minibuffer (doesn't 
		look like one) and that it is simply moving to the
		minibuffer of the frame I'm currently typing in.

3. I input the name of a new file and press return.

	I get the "[no completions]" prompt.

4. I press return again.

	There is a beep, I get a message about a parameter being of the
	wrong type, and a (seemingly) random frame disappears. Sometimes, 
	VM quits (without saving INBOX). Also, the message is not saved. 
	I can, however, successfully use 's' to save messages.

The last bug seems to be with the Reply button. I don't want my replies to
go automatically to all recipients, just to the sender. I looked up the
button definitions and found that the Reply button calls a function pointed
to by the variable, vm-toolbar-reply-command. So, I set
vm-toolbar-reply-command to vm-reply-include-text which is supposed to reply
to the sender only. I've tried it on its own and it works fine. However,
when I use the Reply button, it still Ccs all recipients.

-- 
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From: Greg Thompson <gregt@kush.visix.com>
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>"MS" == Michael Sperber [Mr Preprocessor] <sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

  MS> There's no way to do that.  XEmacs's allocator conflicts with
  MS> the built-in one, and AIX's "smart" linker doesn't let you give
  MS> local functions precedence over library functions.

are you sure there's no way?  the fsf folks have emacs-19.31 linking
dynamically on my powerpc-ibm-aix4 system just fine.

  MS> I also doubt that the space savings would be very significant.

the issue isn't entirely space savings, although right now 5 megs of
shared libs are being linked in statically (the x stuff, plus libz,
libpng, libjpeg, libcompface, etc...).  to me, that's significant.
add on the fact that it's just plain annoying to be running multiple
apps which could be using the same shared library but aren't.

the other big issue is compatibility across machines with different
installations of the os.  i can build stuff on our aix 3.2.5 box in
full common mode such that they'll run efficiently and correctly on
all of our aix machines.  if i'm forced to link statically, i can't do
that.

i have no experience with the internals of xemacs.  could you explain
to me the problem that you're currently having with ibm's linker?
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Hello,

Subject sais it all.

If anybody could tell me the URL I'll be grateful.
(I was unable to locate it and the URL's from hilit19 are not accesible)

TIA

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I had a similar problem when XEamcs 19.12 came out - the 
solution was to ensure that the TZ environmental variable is 
set in the process invoking the editor.  In my case a simple:

setenv TZ GMT

in my .cshrc gave me XEmacs in British time.

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Miguel Oyarzun wrote:
> 
> lewikk@grasshopper.aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:
> 
.....
> I too have noticed the slow cursor movement under SunOS 4.1.3 on a
> SparcClassic, using a locally built binary (--cflags=-O). And I have
> also noticed an amusing thing. The really slow response seems to
> happen after firing packages like VM and Gnus. If, however, I iconize
> all other XEmacs windows, except the one I'm moving the cursor in, the
> response is significantly better. Anybody else noticed this?
> 

Yep, terribly slow under SunOS (even on a SparcStation 10 with 64M) and
getting better if all other windows are iconified.


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   "John" == John McCarthy <jmc@Steam.stanford.edu> writes:


John> In article <omhgrq6kdu.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev
John> <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes: In article

Vladimir> <4rc4sb$7f5@swifty.cfa.org> uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri
Vladimir> Blumenthal) writes:
Ups! I don't think that was an article Uri blumenthal posted!

Please check attributions before posting them!

>> 2. ESC-ESC used to allow me to evaluate a Lisp expression.
John>  Use Esc-Esc-Esc, or Esc-:
 
John> This caught me also.  What is one supposed to have read to learn
John> about this change and other incompatible changes?
Easy! Just start XEmacs and try C-h n or look into NEWS yourself!
There is a part about "user-visible-changes" from 19.13 to 19.14. All
you need!

John> I didn't notice anything in the "What's new" about incompatible
John> changes.
Well, especially THIS change is one to stay compatible with Emacs
19.3*, cause they changed the keybinding therein! I honestly think it
is a good idea to catch such changes and incorporate them into XEmacs,
so the keybindings do not separate tooo much in future versions!

John> If I ask about M-ESC to help, it would be nice if I got a
John> friendly message saying how to do it.
Well, C-h i brings me into info-mode, then just choosing

	Xemacs  -  Key Bindings  -  M-ESC 

brings me right to the help for M-ESC, exactly where it is supposed to
be.

Best Regards,

		Thomas

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I got from the Internet a "winmgr-mode.el" package. 
(Generic Window Manager Mode)

This package is a major mode for editing window configuration files and
also defines font-lock keywords for such files.
 
winmgr-mode mode will automatically get turned on if you visit a
a file whose name looks like that of a configuration file
(IE, .fvwmrc, .mwmrc, .tvtwmrc, etc)

Feel free to pick it up from:
    URL: http://www.ornet.co.il/~ricky/winmgr-mode.el


>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

  Ricardo: Looking for a major-mode for editing fvwmrc files.

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In article <Dtz7v8.AwA@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:


>In xemacs 19.11, if I did \C-x\C-f and then moved the mouse over a valid
>filename, it would get highlighted and button-2 would open the file.
>This feature seems to be lost in XEmacs 19.14?


Yes and no, I set in my .emacs (or defaults.el) :

(setq minibuffer-smart-completion-tracking-behavior t)
(fset 'minibuffer-mouse-tracker 'minibuffer-smart-mouse-tracker)


Read doc for "minibuffer-smart-completion-tracking-behavior"
in lisp/prim/minibuf.el :



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Hi everybody.

I've just installed Xemacs-19.14 for SunOS-4.1.3 and dialog boxes have a X
windows style whether than Motif style (such as the scrollbars). Is there a
way to change this ?

Frederic
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From: dejong@imec.be (Gjalt G. de Jong)
Subject: minimum frame height 
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A small question, in "XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22
1996 on hp700", is there a minimum bound on the allowed height of a frame?  I
try to set the height of my separate minibuffer frame to a single line, however
the frame is sized with a height of 2. Also when I try to make a frmae with
e.g.

(make-frame '(height 1))

I get a frame of height 2 (although with a half visible modeline). However, I
haven't found any variable which sets such a min value.

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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Jul  4 10:33:15 1996
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Subject: Re: Trouble getting xemacs 19.14 working for Irix 5.3/6.2
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From: Helen <helen@voland.cc.huji.ac.il>
Date: 04 Jul 1996 15:29:23 +0300
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omar@umbc.edu (Omar Siddique) writes:

> 
> Our xemacs 19.13 build (built for Irix 5.3) never worked on our Irix 6.1
> box.  With 19.14's release, I thought I'd give a try to getting xemacs 
> working under Irix 5.x and 6.x - no dice.  I tried building it under 5.3
> (no problem as far as that goes) and running it on 6.2 and 6.1 and it
> crashes quite nicely; same with building it under 6.1 and 6.2 and running
> it under 5.3.  
> 
> The latter part of that was with the env-var LDFLAGS="-mips1" and
> the and cflags="-O -mips1".  mips1 instead of mips2 since we have some
> R3000 Indigos that need to run this as well...
> 
> Any ideas?  The one thing I haven't tried yet is using all static
> libraries instead of dynamic, which will probably bloat my executables,
> but might work.
> 
> -- 
> Omar Siddique| University Computing Services - Systems Group
>              | University of Maryland, Baltimore County campus
>              | email: omar@umbc.edu WWW: http://research.umbc.edu/~omar
> 

I had the same problem, I use /usr/local which is common for a bunch of SGI's
which are 5.2, 5.3 and 6.2. Here is what I did: (assuming I installed xemacs
in /usr/local/XEmacs)

built and installed it for 5.2 (with --prefix=/usr/local/XEmacs)
mv /usr/local/XEmacs/bin /usr/local/XEmacs/bin_5.2
built and installed it for 5.3 
mv /usr/local/XEmacs/bin /usr/local/XEmacs/bin_5.3
built and installed it for 6.2
mv /usr/local/XEmacs/bin /usr/local/XEmacs/bin_6.2

created executable script  /usr/local/bin/xemacs which calls
the proper version of xemacs depending on the platform:

#!/bin/csh -f
/usr/local/XEmacs/bin_`uname -a | awk '{print $3}'`/xemacs $*

Works fine for all of them. Of course I lose some disk space,
but anyway most of disk space is requred for the lisp programs 
which are platform-independent so they are not duplicated.

Instead of renaming 'bin' I should probably use the --exec-prefix
option, but it didn't work (complained about xemacs not properly 
installed, so I didn't bother)

Hope this helps,
Helen





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From: Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu>
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Subject: background XEmacs and gnuserv/gnuattach problem on Solaris 2.5
Date: 04 Jul 1996 09:28:05 -0700
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When XEmacs is running the the background with gnuserv running, a
`gnuattach' will cause XEmacs to be `Stopped (tty output)'.

Here's an example:

doctor:~ [11]$ xemacs&
[1] 29515
doctor:~ [12]$ gnuattach

[1]+  Stopped (tty output)    xemacs

Of course the solution is to not run XEmacs in the background but I
had to find this out the hard way when trying to gnuattach from home.

XEmacs 19.14, Solaris 2.5, and GNU bash 1.14.6.

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Subject: New Macintosh Web Site search engine
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Visit the MacInSearch search engine for all Macintosh computer web
sites at:

<URL:http://www.melizo.com/area52/search2/search.cgi?prefs=i2f0h0n2v2s1&subdir=macinsearch>

Or visit the old address: 
<URL:http://www.melizo.com/area52/macinsearch/search.cgi>

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?
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From: pasken@thunder.slu.edu (Dr. Robert Pasken)
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	I have a groff-mode.el that works under epoch (emacs-18.52). I would like
to know what I have to do to convert that .el file to work with xemacs. It fails 
to load under xemacs. We use groff extensively here and I would like to move up to
xemacs, but cann't until I get the groff-mode working. 





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From: bgk@wabbit.? (Brent Goodrick)
Subject: M-x occur problem in Xemacs-19.13: occur-mode-goto-occurrence doesn't work reliably
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After issuing 'M-x occur', and entering in a regex string, the mode
properly displays all lines in the last selected buffer.  However,
when I move the cursor into that window, and hit 'C-c C-c' (which is
bound to the occur-mode-goto-occurrence function) I have to move back
to the original buffer to see where the point is.  In FSF GNU Emacs, I
didn't have to do this -- the cursor would automatically move back
to the original searched buffer.

Is this a bug that's corrected in 19.14?

I'm running on a SunOS 4 SparcStation 10, Xemacs 19.13.

Thanks
Brent Goodrick
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From: Super-User <maciag@ergocon.com>
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Subject: xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz crashes on Solx86 2.5
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I am experiencing frequent, repeatable crashes of the latest binary 
for Solaris 2.4 x86 on my system (Solaris 2.5 x86). It seems to happen 
when I perform an operation that would require alot of memory 
(e.g. viewing a large file) with one consistent example being 
selecting the 'XEmacs News' item on the Help Menu.

This is what gdb tells me about the core:

# gdb /usr/local/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
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There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-solaris2.5), 
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...

warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `/usr/local/bin/xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/dt/lib/libXm.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- q
Error while reading shared library symbols:
Quit
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libmp.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
#0  0x803bfbc8 in kill ()
(gdb) quit
# gdb /usr/local/bin/i386-unknown-solaris2.4/xemacs-19.14 core
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GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-solaris2.5), 
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Core was generated by `/usr/local/bin/xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/dt/lib/libXm.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- 
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libmp.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
#0  0x803bfbc8 in kill ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x803bfbc8 in kill ()
#1  0x809bd98 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x4 in ?? ()
#4  0xffffffff in ?? ()
#5  0x69786520 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x656c6946.
(gdb) 


Any help would be appreciated.



- Mike.

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From: evet@tethys.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Ekkehart Vetter)
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In article <4rg2ii$h1g@ohnasn01.sinet.slb.com> Mike Atkinson <matkinson@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

> I had a similar problem when XEamcs 19.12 came out - the 
> solution was to ensure that the TZ environmental variable is 
> set in the process invoking the editor.  In my case a simple:
> 
> setenv TZ GMT
> 
> in my .cshrc gave me XEmacs in British time.
>

Or, similarly, (setenv "TZ" "GMT") in .emacs or a global
startup file.

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From: Manfred Thole <thole@nst.ing.tu-bs.de>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs for Dec ULTRIX 4.3
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csharris@netcom.com (C Scott Harris) writes:

> 
> In article <DtnAoz.EE2@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com>,
> Allen M. Cohen <amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> wrote:
> >As I mentioned earlier, even on a 32 MB ULTRIX 4.3 machine, when I compile
> >and run XEmacs 19.14, I get a "memory exhausted" error when trying to bring up
> >the toolbar. 
> >...
> 
> If it's any consolation, you're not alone. I've had the same problem
> even after trying these compile variations: gcc vs native cc,
> --use-system-malloc, no optimize + debug + --debug +
> --error-checking=all.
> 
> Scott Harris
> csharris@netcom.com

>From xemacs-19_13-ultrix_4_4.patch:

"There seems to be a problem with the relocating-allocator under ULTRIX,
 so I suggest compiling with --rel-alloc=no."

This means: configure with  --rel-alloc=no.
It works for us also for XEmacs-19.14 on ULTRIX 4.4!

Hope this helps!

Manfred
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>>>>> "uknt" == uknt  <uknt@micro.lucent.com> writes:

uknt> Hi, Am I wrong, or have I read here that GNUS (as supplied with
uknt> 19.14) can be used to read mail?

Yes.

uknt> I can get the news interface up - but I don't have news access
uknt> :-( how do I get the mail interface up? Where is the
uknt> documentation?

There is a Gnus user's manual included with XEmacs, the manual is also
available in the info documentation.  There is a Gnus FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html

uknt> And do the smilies work in mail buffers too?!

Yes.  As well as scoring, adaptive scoring, threading, citation
highlighting, etc.  :-)
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What I'd like to do is to be able to do is when I move the mouse over
a subframe that that sub frame become active.  In the same manor that
in X when I mouse over a window it gains focus and raises.  IS this
possible now in XEmacs??  A classic example is in GNUS. I often want
to switch to the *article* buffer to say print it and switch back to
the *summary* buffer to advance to the next article.  I Would like to
mouse over and after say a second it gains buffer focus and is the
current buffer.  I think the timer is essential, and should be setable
based on mode, as fontlock support is etc.

I'm pretty sure this is possible since I've seen the icon bar respond
to mouse over events.  But since I'm a lisp moron I haven't a clue
were to start.

Thanks all,
Mark Daku




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From: Georg Nikodym <georgn@canada.sun.com>
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Subject: Re: Help: 19.14 needs libXm.so.3?
Date: 04 Jul 1996 16:54:57 -0400
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liyuan@photone.ak.lucent.com writes:

> Help please:
> 
> I am anxious to try out Xemacs 19.14. I downloaded the
> precompiled binary for sparc-sun-solaris2.4, but Xemacs does not
> start. The error message is
> 
> ld.so.1: sparc-sun-solaris2.4/xemacs-19.14:
> fatal: libXm.so.3: can't open file: errno=2
> Killed

This is the Motif library that comes with CDE (and is bundled with
Solaris 2.4).

> I am running SunOS 5.3 Generic sun4c sparc. The precompiled binary
> Xemacs 19.13 runs OK.

That's because 19.13 was built on Solaris 2.3.

There is no, and never has been, guarantee that a binary compiled on
one release of an OS will run on a previous release.

Thus, your options are:

	1) Build yourself an XEmacs on 2.3 (pretty easy, but time and disk
	   space consuming).
	2) Get someone else to do it for you.
	3) Upgrade to 2.5.1 (current rev of Solaris).

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From: Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com>
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Subject: W3 and Firewalls
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Hi everyone,

I have been trying to get out onto the web with the W3 package that came with
the new xemcs-19.14.   Unfortunately, I am stuck behind a firewall.  To get
out of here, we have to telnet or ftp to a server and then get out.

I was using Netscape 3.0b4 which allows you to set FTP_PROXY, HTTP_PROXY, 
HTTPS_PROXY, GOPHER_PROXY, etc.  I just set these in my preferences to the 
server and a specified port number.  This allowed me to go on the web 
effortlessly.  Is there anything like this in W3?  I looked at the firewall 
information that is available in INFO but none of it helps.

Any help would be appreciated.  And not to seem like an ingrate... I thank you
... my mother thanks you... my future children thank you...

Bidemi Temidire

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Thanks! This (i.e. user-mail-address and mail-host-address)
saved my day!!
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>>>>> "Miguel" == Miguel Oyarzun <moyarzun@irakere.bbn.com> writes:

Miguel> And I have
Miguel> also noticed an amusing thing. The really slow response seems to
Miguel> happen after firing packages like VM and Gnus. If, however, I iconize
Miguel> all other XEmacs windows, except the one I'm moving the cursor in, the
Miguel> response is significantly better. Anybody else noticed this? 

I've seen something like this too, though not with Gnus directly.
I've noticed that with multiple frames on the display, unused frames
sometimes get updated *a lot* causing huge slow down.  I haven't been
able to reduce this to a test case though.

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From: Weiping Hu <whu@adonis18.et.deakin.edu.au>
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A quick question: how to setup xemacs vm to read mail from a pop server?

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I've been trying to use xemacs 19.14 but have found a problem...
which at the moment makes it apalling in comparison with regular emacs.

It is that while I've managed to get delete to delete this way: --->  
and backspace to delete this way: <--- in most buffers, this is *STILL*
not the case in the minibuffer.

In the minibuffer, no matter what I set keys to, delete and backspace
wind up doing exactly the same thing, whether deleting --> or <--.

View lossage shows the following:

this is in the scratch buffer:
1 2 3 4 5 left left DEL BS C-h l

this is in the minibuffer:
ESC x 1 2 3 4 5 left left left DEL BS C-h l

Note that *DESPITE* the fact that DEL and BS appear to be differentiated in the
minibuffer, in *FACT* they are not.

In my .emacs-x file I have:

(global-unset-key 'backspace)
(global-unset-key 'backward-delete-char-untabify)

(load "delbackspace.el")

(global-set-key '(backspace) (quote backward-delete-char))
(global-set-key '(delete) (quote delete-char))

(global-set-key '(meta backspace) (quote backward-kill-word))
(global-set-key '(control backspace) (quote kill-line-backwards))
(global-set-key '(hyper backspace) (quote backward-kill-sentence))

(global-set-key '(meta delete) (quote kill-word))
(global-set-key '(control delete) (quote kill-line))
(global-set-key '(hyper delete) (quote kill-sentence))



PLEASE HELP! xemacs looks very enticing, but this appaling BUG makes
it extremely annoying!

Thanks!
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Then I realised who had been telling me this...

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: endless recursions when compiling Xemacs19.14 under Linux
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>>>>> "Markus" == Markus Gebhardt <magebhar@si.bosch.de> writes:

Markus> Hi,
Markus> I got me the Xemacs19.14 sources and tried to compile them with Linux
Markus> 1.2.13, gcc 2.7.0 and make 3.74 (with patch).

Markus> ./configure runs fine, and the Makefile seems so, too.

Markus> But after a "make" or "make all" it starts again with
Markus> "creating Makefile"
Markus> "creating lib-src/Makefile.in"
Markus> ...
Markus> "creating lib-src/Makefile"
Markus> ...
Markus> "creating Makefile"        
Markus> ...and so on... and on...

Markus> I tried several ./configure options, used different
Markus> directories etc., even deleted the whole xemacs tree and
Markus> unpacked it again.

Markus> Do I need a special version of make? Or are there other
Markus> incompabilities not mentioned in "INSTALL" and "PROBLEMS"?

Gcc 2.7.0 has the infamous strength-reduce optimization bug, so be
sure to add the flag -fno-strength-reduce.

Are you compiling on an NFS mounted partition by any chance?  Your
problem sounds like NFS server clock skew.

You can bypass the step you're getting caught in by executing
`./config.status' from the command line.  Then look at the respective
time stamps of the files:
	Makefile, Makefile.in, and config.status.

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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:

Gary> I don't think I'm imagining this.  I run typically with several frames
Gary> open on the screen.  Occasionally it seems that the C-v and M-v key
Gary> strokes fall onto the other frame.  I'll have focus in one frame, type
Gary> C-v and see the other frame scroll-up.  

Gary> Has anyone else expierenced this?

You might be hitting C-M-v by mistake:

scroll-other-window:
Scroll next window upward ARG lines; or near full frame if no ARG.
The next window is the one below the current one; or the one at the top
if the current one is at the bottom.  Negative ARG means scroll downward.
When calling from a program, supply a number as argument or nil.

If in the minibuffer, `minibuf-scroll-window' if non-nil
specifies the window to scroll.
If `other-window-scroll-buffer' is non-nil, scroll the window
showing that buffer, popping the buffer up if necessary.

arguments: (&optional N)

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From: Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Dialog boxes in Xemacs-19.14
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Frederic Labrosse wrote:
> I've just installed Xemacs-19.14 for SunOS-4.1.3 and dialog boxes have a X
> windows style whether than Motif style (such as the scrollbars). Is there a
> way to change this ?

If you have libXm, use the --with-dialogs=motif option for configure and rebuild XEmacs.

There is no Lucid motif look-alike option (like for the menus and scrollbars), well
there is but it just an alias for athena as the following extract from the INSTALL file
that comes with the distribution explains:

The `--with-dialogs=TYPE' option allows you to specify which X toolkit
you wish to use for the scrollbars.  The valid options are `athena',
`motif, and `none.  The `lucid' option is accepted and will result in
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the default is `motif'.  Otherwise, the default is `athena'.  If
`none' is specified then support for dialog boxes will not be compiled
in.

You might try using libXaw3d to the give the Athena dialogs a Motifish look.

Doug.

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david@hk.super.net (artichoke) writes:
> libXm libXpm libXmu libXt static linked

Linking those libraries statically is usually a waste of memory. You
should not do so unless you intend to take your compiled binaries from
one machine to another one. As you did not tell "configure" to links
statically, I believe that this has happened accidentally. This is a
problem with some versions of the Linux "binutils". You need to
provide links from libXYZ.so.x.y to libXYZ.so in order for the linker
to find the dynamic library. If the linker does not find the dynamic
library it reverts to linking statically.

> libSM libICE libXext don't show up at all.

This might be the case, because possibly your copy of Motif already
includes these libraries or does not require them for some reason or
other (possibly, because you still have Motif 1.2?). Anyways, I would
not worry about this.

> Any clues?  All these libs that are missing are in /lib (libXm) or in
> /usr/X11/lib (everything else) and should have been found.
> 
> I don't get link errors, and all of _missing_ libs (libSM,
> libICE, libXext) have the same numbers as Markus' .. they are all
> .so.6.0 .  Also libXmu and libXt are the same version.  
> 
> The only differences between our libs:
> 
> I have libXpm.so.4  (not libXpm.so.3 as you do -- I don't even know anyone
> who has libXpm.so.3!) and libXm.so.1.2.4 rather than libXm.so.2

There is an unfortunate problem with the version numbers of the libXpm
library. Earlier releases did not have any official version number, so
people started to invent their own numbers. Assigning the major number
"4" seems to have been quite popular among several Linux
distributions. That is, why many programs require libXpm.so.4. Even
Metrolink's Motif requires (IMHO errorneously) that this library is
present. As of recently, the maintainers of the libXpm library started
to officially assign version numbers. According to the docs, the major
version number is the version of the file format. Currently this is
"3". The minor version number is the number that has mistakenly been
used before (so that is where the "4" came from). And the patch level
is what is often represented as a letter when refering to different
libXpm releases.

Thus the libXpm V3.4h is *officially* refered to as libXpm.so.3.4.8. I
have no clue what future Linux distributions will do and whether they
will adopt the official numbering or stick to the incompatible
numbers, but I decided that I will go with the official numbers!

This difference in version numbers and the fact that different
versions of libXpm tend to be incompatible in very subtle ways means
that it might be advisable to link this one libray statically. Also,
as suggested in the documentation that comes with XEmacs you should
try to install a recent release of libXpm, because earliers versions
had serious bugs.

N.B.: As this discussion does not have much in common with the usual
topics on comp.emacs.xemacs I set a Followup-To: for
comp.os.linux.development.apps.


Markus

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Steve.Wray@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Stephen Wray) writes:
>
> It is that while I've managed to get delete to delete this way: --->  
> and backspace to delete this way: <--- in most buffers, this is *STILL*
> not the case in the minibuffer.
>
 ...
 
> In my .emacs-x file I have:
> 
> (global-unset-key 'backspace)
> (global-unset-key 'backward-delete-char-untabify)
> 
> (load "delbackspace.el")
> 

 (a bunch of other .emacs-x stuff...)

> (global-set-key '(hyper delete) (quote kill-sentence))
> 

Try this:  comment out all the stuff in your .emacs (.emacs-x?)
regarding setting the backspace and delete keys... INCLUDING the line
loading delbackspace.el.  Then, add these two lines:

(keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)

Then exit, and restart xemacs.  Try out the keys.. if they appear to
be closer to what your wanting, then use the following guidlines to
further customize them to what you want:

To alter the behavoir of the "Backspace" key, refer to it as (delete)
in your lisp code.  ie:

(global-set-key [(meta delete)] 'undo)  ; M-backspace is undo

To alter the behavoir of the key labelled "Delete" on your keyboard,
refer to it as (deletechar) in your lisp code.  ie:

(global-set-key [(meta deletechar)] 'kill-word) ; M-Del kills word


Good luck!

-- 
Gary Dezern
  gdezern@uniquecr.sundial.net 

PGP public key available via 'finger gdezern@uniquecr.sundial.net'

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From: Martin.Pottendorfer@aut.alcatel.at (Martin Pottendorfer)
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hi,

i compiled XEmacs 19.14 on my sun sparcstation 5 running solaris 2.4.

using top i found out that XEmacs is quite a cpu-hog so i tried `truss
-p PID' on XEmacs:

  getcontext(0xEFFFE398)
  setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, 0xEFFFEC38, 0x00000000)  = 0
  setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, 0xEFFFEA98, 0x00000000)  = 0
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE554)                  = 0
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE554)                  = 0
  poll(0x002A3990, 2, 0)                          = 0
  poll(0x00271908, 1, 0)                          = 0
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE4E4)                  = 0
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE4E4)                  = 0
      Received signal #14, SIGALRM, in poll() [caught]
  poll(0x002A39B0, 2, 5999)                       Err#4 EINTR
  write(6, "\0", 1)                               = 1
  setcontext(0xEFFFE938)
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE2E4)                  = 0
  poll(0x002A39B0, 2, 5822)                       = 1
  read(5, "\0", 128)                              = 1
  read(5, 0xEFFFEC68, 128)                        Err#11 EAGAIN
  poll(0xEFFFCA48, 0, 0)                          = 0
  getcontext(0xEFFFE158)
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFD47C)                  = 0
  ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFD47C)                  = 0
  getcontext(0xEFFFE158)
  getcontext(0xEFFFE268)


this output repeats constantly (seems very busy to me).

this XEmacs (19.14) was linked against X11R6 libraries. (solaris 2.4)

i tried:
- linked XEmacs (19.13) against /usr/openwin/lib (which i think are
  X11R5 based) 
  => poll() returns only every 4-5 seconds, which seems ok to me.
     (truss -p XXX)

- built and linked fsf Emacs (or GNU Emacs) 19.31 against X11R6 
  => poll() returned about every 3 seconds, which also seems ok.
     (truss -p XXX)
     => X11R6 libs are ok ... ?!

- built and linked XEmacs (19.14) on linux 2.0 (X11R6, XFree 3.1.2).
  => select() returned about 4-5 seconds, which also seems ok to me. 
     (tested with strace -p XXX).

the conclusion for me is that the problem is the solaris/X11R6
combination. *sigh* 

This behaviour is very annoying so can you give me any hints to fix
the problem (i'd like to avoid linking against /usr/openwin/lib ...).

martin

PS: Big thanx to all the XEmacs developer; You did a great job !

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hi,

i'm using XEmacs 19.14 / Solaris 2.4 / X11R6 / tvtwm (windowmanager)

When i iconify and deiconify a frame it often happens the XEmacs is
confused somehow. Further input is not visible, although it seems to
be processed (e.g. i can generate a new frame with C-x 5 2). Same
happens when a new frame is generated (C-x 5 2).

I remember a posting about this topic a few month ago where ben wing
stated that this is a tvtwm problem (bug ?) and should be fixed in
19.14. Obviously it's not fixed... ;^)

what can i do (except using a different windowmanager ...;^)

GNU Emacs 19.31 and earlier versions don't have the problem.

ciao,
martin


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In article <w4u3vvzu6d.fsf@loiosh.kei.com> Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

> 
> PA> == Paramesh A <paramesh@ikos.com>
> 
>  PA> I like the C, C++, perl modes in XEmacs.  They are really cool ones.
>  PA> But there is a small hitch. I have many old files which are not
>  PA> XEmacs-indented. I would like to have all of them converted into this
>  PA> format. The 'indent' program under SunOS appears to be meant for only C
>  PA> files.
> 
>  PA> Any utilities out there to do this job ? 
> 
> C-x C-f file (find-file)
> M-<          (beginning-of-buffer)
> M->          (end-of-buffer)
> C-x C-x      (exchange-point-and-mark)
> M-C-\        (indent-region)

Good god, man!

(defun indent-buffer ()
  "indent the entire buffer"
  (interactive)
  (indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
)

(global-set-key "\C-ci" 'indent-buffer)

-- 

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There's a feature in gdb.el that turns out to be a bug as well.  In
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Anybody using the EDB program of  Michael Ernst with Xemacs. It seems
to work fine except when I try to save the database.  I get the error 
debug(error (error "Symbol may not be buffer-local" generated-modeline-string))
All polite suggestions gratefully received.

-- 
Christopher G. Drummond			e-mail: cdrummon@csi.uottawa.ca
Doctoral Student
Computer Science Department
University of Ottawa			
Ottawa Ontario Canada K1N 6N5		


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New binaries are now available from the XEmacs ftp site, fixing these
problems:

- support for native sound added
- sparcworks `stringp: nil' problem fixed
- Fixed a crash when running on an X11R6 system.
-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Chris Drummond <cdrummon@kaml2.csi.uottawa.ca> writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Anybody using the EDB program of  Michael Ernst with Xemacs. It seems
> to work fine except when I try to save the database.  I get the error 
> debug(error (error "Symbol may not be buffer-local" generated-modeline-string))
> All polite suggestions gratefully received.

Michael Ernst is no longer maintaining EDB, and it has become orphaned.
Anyone who would like to adopt it is welcome to try.
-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
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Super-User <maciag@ergocon.com> writes:

> I am experiencing frequent, repeatable crashes of the latest binary 
> for Solaris 2.4 x86 on my system (Solaris 2.5 x86). It seems to happen 
> when I perform an operation that would require alot of memory 
> (e.g. viewing a large file) with one consistent example being 
> selecting the 'XEmacs News' item on the Help Menu.

After investigation, I believe this is an optimizer bug compiling fileio.c.
It will likely work if you build it yourself.  I will try to make
fixed binaries available later.

-- 
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Put the following in your initialisation file:

(setq mode-motion-focus-on-window 'follow)
(require 'mode-motion+)

(Bear in mind this will cause the entire frame to be raised if you're using a
raise-focus style window manager.)

For more info M-x list-motion-handlers and/or C-h v mode-motion-focus-on-window.

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From: Lennart Svensson <lesv@einku.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Time Zome problem
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Lennart Svensson wrote:
> 
> I have problem to get the time correct at the mode line.
> It will allways show American time which means 9 hours to less.
> 
> I have the following in my .emascsfile:
> 
> (setq set-time-zone-rule "CET=2")
> (setq display-time-day-and-date t
>       display-time-24hr-format t)
> (display-time)
> 
> Everything is running on sunos4.1.4 and Xemacs 19.14
> 
> It MUST be wrong timezone but what should I set instead of CET=2 ???
> --


Because I got an answer by e-mail; which worked I will tell the solution

Instead of using 

(setq set-time-zone-rule "CET=2")

use following

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

This works OK for sunos4.1.4. 
 
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		lesv(e)

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From: Per Allansson <Per.Allansson@emw.ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Building Xemacs-19.14 on Solaris 2.5
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 11:37:52 +0200
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Dominic Romeo wrote:
> 
> I am having problems building xemacs on solaris 2.5:
> 
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation
> error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'
> 
> It all seems to compile ok. Is this a linking problem?
> I am using gcc-2.7.2 and the GNU binutils-2.6 (assembler, linker ...).

Do not use GNU binutils on Solaris 2.x systems - use the tools that
come bundled with Solaris and you should have no problems.

/per

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>>>>> "David" == David Karr <dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com> writes:

David> I have spent a lot of time integrating GNU Emacs 19 (currently up to
David> 31) into our development environment.  I am investigating using XEmacs
David> 19.14, because of its integration with SparcWorks.  Unfortunately,
David> XEmacs 19.14 doesn't seem to like .elc files that were compiled with
David> GNU Emacs 19.29 or later.  I really don't want to maintain one
David> directory with GNU-compiled elisp files, and the other with the same
David> elisp files compiled with XEmacs.  Even if I did, I can't seem to
David> figure out how to tell XEmacs how to look there.  There seems to be
David> some mysterious behavior separate from "load-path" that determines
David> where to find elisp files.

You can byte compile files with XEmacs and run them with GNU Emacs,
but not vice versa.  There are some packages (tm to name a big one)
where even this won't work.  So long as you do not have macros or
byte compile-time dependencies on specific Emacs or XEmacs features
you will be O.K.  But, you will still have to byte compile with
XEmacs.

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>>>>> "Benito" == Benito Gattuso <fj4a013@rzaix02.uni-hamburg.de> writes:

Benito> I've compiled succesfull xemacs 19.14 on a
Benito> RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 machine, but the binary is
Benito> 15059905 bytes. That's too big.
Benito> Is it possible to strip this binary without problems
Benito> for its performance?
Benito> Thanks in advance.

It is not a good idea to strip a dumped XEmacs.  It is supposed to be
possible to strip temacs before creating a dumped XEmacs, but I've
never tried that.  Compiling without the -g flag, and linking
everything you can dynamically is the best solution.

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In article <w4u3vvzu6d.fsf@loiosh.kei.com> Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:
> 
> PA> == Paramesh A <paramesh@ikos.com>
> 
>  PA> I like the C, C++, perl modes in XEmacs.  They are really cool ones.
>  PA> But there is a small hitch. I have many old files which are not
>  PA> XEmacs-indented. I would like to have all of them converted into this
>  PA> format. The 'indent' program under SunOS appears to be meant for only C
>  PA> files.
> 
>  PA> Any utilities out there to do this job ? 
> 
> C-x C-f file (find-file)
> M-<          (beginning-of-buffer)
> M->          (end-of-buffer)
> C-x C-x      (exchange-point-and-mark)
> M-C-\        (indent-region)

---
|Good god, man!
|
|(defun indent-buffer ()
|  "indent the entire buffer"
|  (interactive)
|  (indent-region (point-min) (point-max))
|)
|
|(global-set-key "\C-ci" 'indent-buffer)
|
--------------------------------------------------------- 
 Not quite...  Try:

(defun indent-buffer ()
  "indent the entire buffer"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (mark-whole-buffer)
    (indent-region (point-min) (point-max) nil)))

(global-set-key "\C-ci" 'indent-buffer)

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Hi, I was wondering if anybody can tell me where I can download the
newest version of vc.el and vc-hooks.elc?  I am having a problem using
VC with Dired v.6.0, and I noticed that vc.el is using some old Dired 
functions/macros that are no longer available (for example, the f-n
dired-get-marked-files is changed to dired-mark-get-file, the macro 
dired-map-over-marks is now dired-mark-map, etc.).  I tried patching
those particular problems but I keep running into new ones, and I was
hoping that there is a newer version of VC that works with Dired.  I
tried both VC  v.5.5 and v.5.6 but I couldn't make either one work.  I
read the FAQ and looked at a bunch of FTP sites but couldn't find the
VC stuff anywhere (it comes with the standard distribution of XEmacs
but I don't want to download the whole 30 megs or so).

Thanks in advance for any help,
Paul

P.S. BTW, I am using Lucid Emacs 19.11 on SunOS 4.x at work and XEmacs 
19.13 on Solaris at school.
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Sorry folks!

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Stephen Wray (Steve.Wray@comp.vuw.ac.nz) wrote:
> PLEASE HELP! xemacs looks very enticing, but this appaling BUG makes
> it extremely annoying!

Try using define-key to set the same thing in minibuffer-local-map
too.

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David Masterson (davidm@baldy.kla.com) wrote:
> It's in the release notes part of XEmacs News (C-h n) and was done in
> the name of compatibility with GNU Emacs 19.30.

And to be able to bind things like '(meta f1) or '(meta up) on tty-s.

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Brad Howes (bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com) wrote:
> I'm stumped. On my SparcStation 2/Solaris 2.4 machine I have no problems with
> XEmacs 19.14. Same on a Motorola PowerStack AIX 4.1.4 box. I've tried to
> duplicate Tim's scenario without success.

I work on Solaris 2.5 and have no such problems, but have seen new
XEmacs on a friend of mine who runs 2.4. I do not know what the
difference is, but I can confirm that the problem does exist in some
cases.

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Hi,

I just upgrade to Xemacs-19.14 from lemacs-19.10 and I have a problem
with ispell in LaTeX mode: ispell doesn't recognize my french accents
(like \'e or \^a). For example, for the word "\'ecrire", ispell doesn't
recognize the LaTeX accent but proposes "ecrire" with an accute accent
on the first "e". The command generated by Xemacs and lemacs are the
same: "/usr/local/bin/ispell -a -m -d francais -t".

Any solution?

Thanks.

Frederic
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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz crashes on Solx86 2.5
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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> Super-User <maciag@ergocon.com> writes:
> 
> > I am experiencing frequent, repeatable crashes of the latest binary 
> > for Solaris 2.4 x86 on my system (Solaris 2.5 x86). It seems to happen 
> > when I perform an operation that would require alot of memory 
> > (e.g. viewing a large file) with one consistent example being 
> > selecting the 'XEmacs News' item on the Help Menu.
> 
> After investigation, I believe this is an optimizer bug compiling fileio.c.
> It will likely work if you build it yourself.  I will try to make
> fixed binaries available later.
> 
Yes. I just built from the sources and the problem has gone away.

My configure cmd if it makes any difference:

configure  --with-menubars=lucid --with-scrollbars=motif --with-dialogs=motif 
--with-cde --with-xpm --with-tooltalk --with-xface --with-jpeg --with-png

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In article <lks6888qf45.fsf@dormeur.inria.fr> bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr (Georges Brun-Cottan) writes:

>  In article <m34tnsu7e2.fsf@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de> frick@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne K. Frick) writes:
>  
>  >  Is there an electric mode for XEmacs like the FSF Emacs 'iso-accents' mode?
>  >  'iso-cvt' is not exactly what I need.  
>  
>  I use the quite good Shapiro's packages 
>  electric-french-tex.el 
>   and
>  electric-latin1-mode.el
>  
>  Available at :
>  http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/electric-french-tex.el
>  http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/electric-latin1-mode.el
>  
>  enjoy,

Hoops, I just see that electric-french-tex.el does not work with
XEmacs. Sorry.

I modified these two tiny packages. They are cleaner (use
minor-mode-map facilities), GNU and Xemacs compatible.

You can find them at 
http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/eft-mode.el
http://www-sor.inria.fr/~bruncott/elisp/ell1-mode.el

enjoy,


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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Tennes <mtennes@ford.com> writes:
    Michael>  I have xemacs 19.13 running on a HP 700 with HP-UX 10.10
    Michael> and when I start WinDD (a X-window connection to a
    Michael> Windows NT server) Xemacs will crash. If I restart Xemacs
    Michael> after running WinDD, I get hundreds of messages about Key
    Michael> Binding errors.

Doesn't happen on my Sparc 2 with SunOS 4.1.3.
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I tried to install ange-ftp but ended up with a big mess.
I'm using xemacs-19.14 and downloaded the newest version of
ange-ftp from their primary site. Then i placed the file
in the /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/ange-ftp dir and
did a byte-compile-file on the .el file. I also changed 
the recommended lines in my .emacs file. When i tried
to use ange-ftp it tries to connect to the host but stops
with the message: 

	'failed to define function ange-ftp-hook-function'

I tried to reinstall the whole package again, but failed.
I'm a new user and really love xemacs, but many things i 
don't understand :-( Can somebody give me a hint to fix 
this problem?

henk













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From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor])
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Date: 05 Jul 1996 17:14:41 +0200
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>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Thompson <gregt@kush.visix.com> writes:

>> "MS" == Michael Sperber [Mr Preprocessor] <sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
MS> There's no way to do that.  XEmacs's allocator conflicts with
MS> the built-in one, and AIX's "smart" linker doesn't let you give
MS> local functions precedence over library functions.

Greg> are you sure there's no way?  the fsf folks have emacs-19.31 linking
Greg> dynamically on my powerpc-ibm-aix4 system just fine.

I gathered that impression from their AIX header files.  However, the
stuff that seems to be working for them doesn't work for XEmacs.

I always believed the problem to be malloc: XEmacs on AIX only works
with GNU malloc which has a name conflict with the built-in one.  If
you link with a shared library, it will use the built-in malloc, and
some malloc'ed pointers cross the border between the shared library
and XEmacs, and things go horribly wrong after that.

This problem was noticed fairly late in the beta process (namely, when
we got an AIX 4 installation), so we just stuck with a safe solution.
I guess I made a mistake in assuming that *nothing* could be done and
I'd be happy to explore further possibilities.  Maybe you can answer a
few questions for me

- Does Emacs 19.31 on AIX use system malloc or GNU malloc?
- What are the flags it passes to the linker?

MS> I also doubt that the space savings would be very significant.

Greg> the issue isn't entirely space savings, although right now 5 megs of
Greg> shared libs are being linked in statically (the x stuff, plus libz,
Greg> libpng, libjpeg, libcompface, etc...).  to me, that's significant.

Most people don't have shared versions of libz, libpng, libjpeg,
libcompface around.  It therefore doesn't make sense to not link them
statically into the binary kit.

Greg> add on the fact that it's just plain annoying to be running multiple
Greg> apps which could be using the same shared library but aren't.

It's not clear in general that using shared libraries will get you a
reduction in working set size.  I remember heated debates back in
Jamie's days ...

Greg> the other big issue is compatibility across machines with different
Greg> installations of the os.  i can build stuff on our aix 3.2.5 box in
Greg> full common mode such that they'll run efficiently and correctly on
Greg> all of our aix machines.  if i'm forced to link statically, i can't do
Greg> that.

Does that work for Emacs as well?  'Cause the flags that switch on
dynamic linking in ibmrs6000.h are conditionalized on AIX 4 ...


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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
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>>>>> "Weiping" == Weiping Hu <whu@adonis18.et.deakin.edu.au> writes:

    Weiping> A quick question: how to setup xemacs vm to read mail
    Weiping> from a pop server?

 I run a script that calls a program called popclient, and it works
fairly well.  I've got the diald handling my modem link to my ISP, it
controls pppd.  The diald has a control fifo that you can echo
commands to it through, and my script echos a force request to diald,
if the network link is not already up when the script is called, and
that connects to the Internet.  Diald runs a user specified script
when the IP layer is up, and mine just touches a flag file, which my
mail-run script is waiting for in a while loop.  When the link is up,
it runs sendmail -q and a popclient command, then if the link was
brought up by the script and wasn't open when it fired off, it echos
an unforce to diald's control fifo, which closes down the idle ppp
connection.

 Popclient gets the mail folder at my ISP, and drops it into my PC's
mail spool directory, where VM has no trouble finding it.  It's
command line consists of the host.domain where my mail is, my login
name there, a password, and the local mail file to drop it into.  I
found that it is necessary to specify the local mail folder in order
for this to work correctly because I use the root crontab to run
mail-run; it works very well.  There's no reason why somthing similar
couldn't be done on a system with a permanent network connection, is
there?  It seems to me that there must be a VM hook that could run
popclient just before looking in the mail spool.

 The Linux diald is really cool.  When I press C-c C-c to finish this
email note, sendmail will start, and in trying to reach the net, will
wake up diald to dial out and establish the link.  Sendmail waits for
the link, and away goes the mail, directly to its destination. :)

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From: Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>
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Since I vastly prefer typing responses to prompts in the modeline,
rather than answering dislog boxes (Motif or otherwise), is there a
way to force modeline use rather than dialog boxes *all the time*?

I have noticed the force-dialog-box-use variable, but there does not
seem to be a force-no-dialog-box equivalent :-(

On a realted note, is there any way to turn off the file browser?

Thanks in advance

Glenn.

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I can't get lpr-buffer to print anything. It says spooling... but nothing
comes out. However, the pretty-print buffer menu option under File works fine.

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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> > Benjamin Drago <drago@hc.ti.com> writes:
> > This corruption also occurs when you use C-h f load-file:
> > 
> > ****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
> > load-file: (file)
> >   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
> > it.
> > ****sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3 display****
> 
> It sounds like your xemacs binary is using a DOC file that was built
> for another binary.  If you install both the sparcworks and
> non-sparcworks distributions in the same bin directory, then the DOC
> files will overwrite each other and the one installed FIRST will have
> incorrect docstrings.


Ahh.  This makes sense.  Currently my directory structure looks like this:

./lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/                   
		   info/
		   lisp/                  
		   hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/   
		   mips-sgi-irix6.2/
		   sparc-sun-solaris2.4/ 
		   sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/

./bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/              
      mips-sgi-irix6.2/         
      sparc-sun-solaris2.4/   
      sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks/
      sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/
      sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks/ 

And yes, I installed the sparcworks version last, so their DOC files
would have overwritten the originals.  

Is it assumed that both normal and sparcworks versions of Xemacs will
not be installed at the same time?  Or is there a way to create
sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks and sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks
directories under ./lib/xemacs-19.14?  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ben

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Subject: Problems using gnuserv, gnuattach and multiple displays

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on gold

Hello XEmacs-Team!

I have encountered some strange behaviour when using gnuserv and
gnuattach.

1) starting XEmacs from the windowmanager (i.e. without controling
   terminal), gnuattach doesn't work properly:
   C-g will mess up the screen, allowing keyboard input to reach the
   shell below gnuattach, but gnuattach still lives and will 
   show itself when using e.g.the builtin help (C-h). 
   Setting inhibit-quit to t makes C-g work without flaw. This is
   not needed when XEmacs was called from a tty:

2) This does not happen, when XEmacs is called from a tty (pseudo or
   virtual console, it doesn't matter). gnuattach will work just fine.

3) In this case, however, running gnuattach from the same tty will lead
   to a complete XEmacs lockup. I think this is because XEmacs thinks
   this to be it's first console, which is fine when XEmacs was started
   in -nw mode, but makes no sense when it is started in the background 
   using a X frame as primary.

4) Using make-frame-on-tty will always behave as in 1), regardless
   whether XEmacs was started with or without controling tty.

5) after finishing gnuattach using C-x# the terminal settings are
   messed up. You should consider saving & restoring terminal settings 
   in gnuattach (e.g. using TC[GS]ETA ioctl's).

Some more strange behaviour concerning farmes on more than one display
or using both tty and X frames:

6) xemacs was called in -nw mode, a X frame was opened using
   make-frame-on-display and a file was opened using gnuclient.
   If the buffer 'belonging' to gnuclient was quit using C-x# from the
   tty frame, the tty frame will be quit instead of the one opened by
   gnuclient. The same is true for the opposite case using gnuattach
   and finishing the buffer in an X frame. Then, however, C-g doesn't
   work correctly in the remaining tty frame (as in 1) while it was 
   working wuite well before which seems to  be quite strange.

7) xemacs was called in -nw mode (or on DISPLAY :1), a X frame was
   opened using 'gnudoit "(make-frame-on-display \":0\")"'.
   As soon as the last X frame on DISPLAY :0 has been closed
   (XEmacs still exists on the first console) the gnuserv process will
   not accept any more connection.  
   After restarting gnuserv it works again without problems. Do you
   have any idea where this could come from?

Frames and Motif (this is probably a bug in the Metrolink Motif, 
I don't have an other machine using Motif to verify this):

8) This happens only using the Motif version (regardless of
   self- or pre-compiled) of XEmacs. If you have frames open on 
   a tty and on an X displayand you close all X frames, trying to open
   a new X frame will result in an SIGSEGV inside a Motif widget. 

	Helmut Geyer

Systems:
a) Linux 2.0.0 / libc 5.2.18 / XFree86 3.1  (X11R6)
b) Linux 2.0.1 / libc 5.3.12 / XFree86 3.1D (X11R6.1)
c) Linux 2.0.0 / libc 5.2.18 / XFree86 3.1  + Metrolink Motif 2.0
d) Linux 2.0.1 / libc 5.3.12 / XFree86 3.1D + Metrolink Motif 2.0
e) Sparcstation 20 / SunOS 4.1.3U_1  X11R6 
f) Sparcstation 10 / SunOS 4.1.3U_1  Openwindows (X11R4) 3.0
g) PowerPC / AIX 4.1.4

a-f both self-compiled and pre-compiled binaries
g   only pre-compiled (disk quota isn't large enough for compiling XEmacs)

Bugs 1-7 appear on all machines, 8 I only checked on c & d.

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David Tiberio writes:
 > Visit the MacInSearch search engine for all Macintosh computer web
 > sites at:
 > 
 > <URL:http://www.melizo.com/area52/search2/search.cgi?prefs=i2f0h0n2v2s1&subdir=macinsearch>
 > 
 > Or visit the old address: 
 > <URL:http://www.melizo.com/area52/macinsearch/search.cgi>
 > 
 > -- 
 > email: dtiberio@pb.net





Well, literally, it is Spiced Pork And Ham, a sort of cheap luncheon meat. Its relevance to
Usenet is because of the Spam Sketch from the second series of Monty Python's Flying
Circus 

This transcription 9/17/87 from "Monty Python's Previous Record" by Jonathan Partington
(jrp1@phx.cam.ac.uk) was htmlised by Robert.Goodwin@mcc.ac.uk 

A cafe. One table is occupied by a group of Vikings with horned helmets on. A man and his
wife enter. 
Man (Eric Idle):
       You sit here, dear. 
Wife (Graham Chapman in drag):
       All right. 
Man (to Waitress):
       Morning! 
Waitress (Terry Jones, in drag as a bit of a rat-bag):
       Morning! 
Man:
       Well, what've you got?
 
Waitress:
       Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and
       spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam
       spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; 
Vikings (starting to chant):
       Spam spam spam spam... 
Waitress:
       ...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans
       spam spam spam... 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! 
Waitress:
       ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner
       with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg
       on top and spam. 
Wife:
       Have you got anything without spam? 
Waitress:
       Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it. 
Wife:
       I don't want ANY spam! 
Man:
       Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage? 
Wife:
       THAT'S got spam in it! 
Man:
       Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it? 
Vikings:
       Spam spam spam spam (crescendo through next few lines) 
Wife:
       Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then? 
Waitress:
       Urgghh! 
Wife:
       What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like spam! 
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up
Man:
Man:
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon spam and sausage
       without the spam. 
Wife (shrieks):
       I don't like spam! 
Man:
       Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam
       spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam! 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up!! Baked beans are off. 
Man:
       Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then? 
Waitress:
       You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam... (but it is too late and the Vikings
       drown her words) 
Vikings (singing elaborately):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam
       spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
       Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam! 
You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

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In article <wjypw6dgv8q.fsf@cssun3.corp.mot.com>,
Brad Howes  <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> wrote:
>I'm stumped. On my SparcStation 2/Solaris 2.4 machine I have no problems with
>XEmacs 19.14. Same on a Motorola PowerStack AIX 4.1.4 box. I've tried to
>duplicate Tim's scenario without success.

Ok, here's how to duplicate it on an HP 9000 735/125, hpux 10.10. This is rather
finicky, and I'm still not sure how much of this is needed for sure. Get copies
of the files code/gc.lisp, code/unix.lisp, and code/list.lisp from the
most recent cmu common lisp source distribution (or I can put them separately
on ftp, they're public domain). My .Xdefaults has

Emacs.geometry: =81x38-0+0
Emacs.internalBorderWidth: 3
Emacs.cursorColor:	black
Emacs.pointerColor: black
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-courier-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -*-courier-medium-o-normal--12-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -*-courier-bold-o-normal--12-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1

so you should make yours say that as well. Run xemacs with -q, then use
C-x 5 f to bring up gc.lisp, unix.lisp, and list.lisp (seems any order is ok,
but they need to be in separate frames). You should now have 4 frames, one for
each file and one for the *scratch* buffer. Select the frame with unix.lisp
so it gets the input focus, hit C-SPACE to set the mark, and hold down the
down arrow so it autorepeats down. Keep it down for maybe 15 lines, then let
go. Watch the cursor and select highlighting keep going well after the key is
released. This doesn't happen on 19.13. My suspicion is it doesn't matter which
other files you have open as long as they are sufficiently large and in separate
frames.
   Tim

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From: Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 and vm
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>>>>> "Oscar" == Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> writes:

>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:

  Gary> [...]
  Gary> 2) The vm toolbar on the left side of the screen STAYS there when you
  Gary> change buffers.  In 19.13 it would go away.  

  Oscar> I noticed that too with the precompiled binary for Solaris. But it
  Oscar> seems to be more a feature than a bug and I hope it will stay like
  Oscar> that. As I run VM in a separate frame it is very convenient having the
  Oscar> toolbar stay where it is and not popping up with buffer changes in
  Oscar> BBDB or TM MIME-Preview mode.

This behaviour suddenly disappeared a couple of days ago. I've been playing
with the .xemacs-options file and so I assume I must have changed some
configuration variable by mistake. Anyone has a clue ? I like to have the VM
toolbar stay in place even if I change buffers.

Cheers,

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In article <m2vig32ezf.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
	Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>>> "Benito" == Benito Gattuso <fj4a013@rzaix02.uni-hamburg.de> writes:
>
>Benito> I've compiled succesfull xemacs 19.14 on a
>Benito> RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 machine, but the binary is
>Benito> 15059905 bytes. That's too big.
>Benito> Is it possible to strip this binary without problems
>Benito> for its performance?
>Benito> Thanks in advance.
>
>It is not a good idea to strip a dumped XEmacs.  It is supposed to be
>possible to strip temacs before creating a dumped XEmacs, but I've
>never tried that.  Compiling without the -g flag, and linking
>everything you can dynamically is the best solution.


Hmmm. I've been running a stripped 19.13 and everything is fine.
Should I start to worry ?

-- 
Brian Denheyer
briand@northwest.com


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>>>>> "Ryurick" == Ryurick M Hristev <physrmh@phys.canterbury.ac.nz> writes:

  Ryurick> Hello,
  Ryurick> Subject sais it all.

  Ryurick> If anybody could tell me the URL I'll be grateful.  (I was unable to
  Ryurick> locate it and the URL's from hilit19 are not accesible)

Forget about that package. It is old and no longer maintained. Use font-lock
instead which is part of Emacs, faster and much more convenient to configure.

Regards,

Oscar

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Hi Bob

Are you any closer to sussing this one out?

I have the same problem from a prebuilt download for sparcworks.

I think that the problem is with the autoloaded common lisp extensions,
particularly cl-extra.el. Though why this should be so I do not have the
faintest!

In case anyone else also reads this, do you have a clue?

Thanks

Nathan

Bob R. Gupta wrote:
> 
> bobg@toshiba.com (Bob R. Gupta) writes:
> 
> > Just installed prebuilt xemacs14 and I get the following error upon
> > startup:
> >
> >   Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
> >
> >
> > I renamed my .emacs so I think this is coming from some startup file
> > somewhere in the distribution. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Here is my setup:
> >
> >   xemacs14: sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks
> >             pre-built binaries
> >         OS: Sun running solaris2.5
> >  directory: /opt/xemacs/[lib, bin, man]
> >
> > -bob
> 
> I'm a step closer to finding the answer. If I build from source withouth
> sparcworks, I don't get the error. I don't know why since I can use
> sparcworks on V13 with no problem.
> 
> -bob
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Get it from ftp.xemacs.org/pub/infodock, if it's not already in the 19.14
distribution. 

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>>>>> "Apostel" == Apostel I Natsev <natsev@castor.rti.org> writes:

Apostel> I read the FAQ and looked at a bunch of FTP sites but
Apostel> couldn't find the VC stuff anywhere (it comes with the
Apostel> standard distribution of XEmacs but I don't want to download
Apostel> the whole 30 megs or so).

Apostel> Thanks in advance for any help,
Apostel> Paul

Apostel> P.S. BTW, I am using Lucid Emacs 19.11 on SunOS 4.x at work
Apostel> and XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris at school.

This is unlikely to change in the very near future, though you are
making a valid point IMHO -- there ought to be a canonical list of
sites for bundled elisp packages.  At any rate finding stuff like this
should be much easier when plug-in packages are available.

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Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com> writes:

> edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

> About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for exactly 29
> seconds before reporting "compilation finished". Obviously a timeout.

Further info:

Any mouse or keyboard event terminates the hang condition immediately.

Setting process-connection-type to nil (forcing use of pipes instead
of pty's) eliminates the problem. Is there any reason to prefer pty's?

Thanks


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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:
> 
> > 
> > About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for exactly 29
                                                               ^^^
> > seconds before reporting "compilation finished". Obviously a timeout.
> > Any hints for diagnosing this? I am on AIX4, using 19.13 & .14.
> > Using bash as my shell.
> 
> Likely a 30 second license server timeout before switching to an
> alternate server.  Using xlc, right?

No, this is AFTER the compile completes. Compiling from the command
line has no pauses. And the last command I execute is a "date".

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Subject: fontifying standard C types
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The following trivial patch to font-lock.el makes it recognize the
standard C and POSIX types and fontify them like the built-in C
types. Names with an _t suffix are treated as types.

This is for the version of font-lock in Xemacs 19.14

<insert legalistic disclaimers here>

*** font-lock.el	Fri Jul  5 09:05:44 1996
--- /usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/font-lock.el	Sun Jun  9 11:49:39 1996
***************
*** 1766,1774 ****
         (concat "auto\\|c\\(har\\|onst\\)\\|double\\|e\\(num\\|xtern\\)\\|"
  	       "float\\|int\\|long\\|register\\|"
  	       "s\\(hort\\|igned\\|t\\(atic\\|ruct\\)\\)\\|typedef\\|"
! 	       "un\\(ion\\|signed\\)\\|vo\\(id\\|latile\\)\\|"
! 	       "\\sw+_t"			; _t type names
! 	       ))	; 6 ()s deep.
        (c++-keywords
  ;      ("break" "continue" "do" "else" "for" "if" "return" "switch" "while"
  ;	"asm" "catch" "delete" "new" "operator" "sizeof" "this" "throw" "try"
--- 1766,1772 ----
         (concat "auto\\|c\\(har\\|onst\\)\\|double\\|e\\(num\\|xtern\\)\\|"
  	       "float\\|int\\|long\\|register\\|"
  	       "s\\(hort\\|igned\\|t\\(atic\\|ruct\\)\\)\\|typedef\\|"
! 	       "un\\(ion\\|signed\\)\\|vo\\(id\\|latile\\)"))	; 6 ()s deep.
        (c++-keywords
  ;      ("break" "continue" "do" "else" "for" "if" "return" "switch" "while"
  ;	"asm" "catch" "delete" "new" "operator" "sizeof" "this" "throw" "try"

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On using M-x gdbsrc, I get a message that

 - extent-buffer is obsolete and
 - Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer

I have replaced all occurrences of extent-buffer by extent-object in
comint/gdbsrc.el, but keep getting the second msg. It goes away when
I use M-x gdb first and then M-x gdbsrc, tho'. Any clues?

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: compiling under Linux - solution for prob i had with libXpm
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

howdy,

when i first built XEmacs i didn't give the configure script any
arguments.  after running make i had an XEmacs that could do jpeg
conversion but it was not linked to libjpeg.  additionally, the
toolbar under GNUS 5.2.31 was grainy.

ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs gave:

/usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14:
        libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6.0
        libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.3.12

later, after reading about things some more i rebuilt XEmacs using
these additional arguments for the configure script.

./configure --with-xpm --with-jpeg --with-sound=native --with-png

when ever i tried to include xpm support the resulting binaries would
crash under X but not in a tty.  after going through this multiple
times i decided to rebuild libXbm to see it that would fix the
problem; it did.

now i have an XEmacs that is linked to many more libs and the toolbars
all look great.

ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs-newxpm-png+au

/usr/local/bin/xemacs-newxpm-png+au:
        libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6.0
        libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11/lib/libXpm.so.4.7
        libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
        libpng.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.1.0.86
        libz.so => /usr/local/lib/libz.so
        libncurses.so.3.0 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.3.0
        libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.3.12


- -pjf


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gsv@sysdeco.no (Geir Svelle) writes:

> Immediately after starting xemacs, I get something like:
> 
> 	"Initialisation error: X server not responding."

Does defining DISPLAY with an IP address fix it? If so make sure you
have a DNS name server configured. Xemacs will not use the hosts file
for some reason, unlike all the other X applications.

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In article <31DD06FA.41C67EA6@ai.polymtl.ca> Frederic Labrosse
<labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

> I just upgrade to Xemacs-19.14 from lemacs-19.10 and I have a problem
> with ispell in LaTeX mode: ispell doesn't recognize my french accents
> (like \'e or \^a). For example, for the word "\'ecrire", ispell doesn't
> recognize the LaTeX accent but proposes "ecrire" with an accute accent
> on the first "e". The command generated by Xemacs and lemacs are the
> same: "/usr/local/bin/ispell -a -m -d francais -t".

It depends on whether your French dictionary was built with the
"francais" or "francais-alt" affix file.  You can quickly find out by
typing "echo ecrire | ispell -a -d francais -T tex".  If you get
"\'ecrire", then you have the correct affix file.  Otherwise you'll
need to install ispell with a more capable affix file (this is less
simple than one would like, because the two affix files expect their
dictionaries to be in a different format).

Once you have an appropriate affix file, set ispell-dictionary to
"francais-tex" to get TeX accent support.
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I'm fresh in using VM and I find it very good. But I want to do the
following. Instead of using sendmail, I prefer using metasend for MIME
encoding, etc. But the arguments of the two programs are rather
different so I can't just setq sendmail-program to "metasend" (I've
tried but it doesn't work in the sense that the mail is not sent without
any message). Does somebody make this ? (I think that the function
sendmail-send-it has to be rewritten but I'm not so good in lisp (nor in
english)).

Thanks

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>>>>> "ckd" == Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

ckd> On a properly (IMHO) configured SunOS 4.1.x system, gethostname()
ckd> and the gethostby* routines will return FQDNs.  Those are (again
ckd> IMHO) the only "true" names you can return for a host--anything
ckd> shorter is a nickname.

"Proper configuration" in this regard is as simple changing the hostname
to the fully qualified hostname.  The install process asks for the host
name and domain name, but does not merge them to create the FQDN for
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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: Re: VM: auto insertion of signature file
Date: 05 Jul 1996 15:57:54 -0600
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Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> writes:

> 
> VM (XEmacs 19.13) (used to) append a signature file to outgoing mail
> when 'mail-insert-signature' was true.
> 
> VM (XEmacs 19.14) does not append the signature file under the same
> conditions.
> 
> Is there a new variable that needs to be set to automatically append
> signature to mail sent ?

apparently this is the case.  i just added this to my .vm and the sig
is now added ok.

		(setq mail-signature t)

previously it's value was nil.

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i hate to followup my own post but i think this works better than a
supersede. 

i forgot to add that i also gave configure --cflags="-O2 -m486" when i
built this the final time.  i didn't use -g, which is a default flag.
is this really necessary?  the binary i got after adding the -O2 -m486
was about half the size as the one that used the default cflags, -g
- -O.  

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From: Alex Kowalenko <lex@zip.com.au>
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Subject: Split up xemacs 19.14 for ftp!!!
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 10:03:12 +1000
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Can someone spilt up xemacs 19.14 for ftp'ing!  It's almost
impossible to fetch the 11Mb or 15MB files into Australia,
and most of the ftp archive site have not updated their distribution
from 19.13 to 19.14 (including the Austrlian site).

I don't think that my ISP would like if 15Mb was mailed to from 
a ftpmail'er.

Alex

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: PATCH: stringp: nil in Sparcworks version
Date: 05 Jul 1996 17:09:38 -0700
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If you get this error when starting a Sparcworks version of XEmacs
19.14, you can either apply the following patch, or...

Make sure your PATH does not contain leading, trailing, or consecutive
`:' characters.


*** /tmp/geta6481	Fri Jul  5 17:06:37 1996
--- sunpro-init.el	Sun Jun 30 03:44:00 1996
***************
*** 89,95 ****
          (cond
           ((let ((path exec-path) dir (found nil))
              (while (and path (not found))
!               (setq dir (car path))
                (setq path (cdr path))
                (setq dir (concat dir (if (string-match "/$" dir) "../" "/../")))
                (setq found (funcall sunpro-dir-p dir)))
--- 89,95 ----
          (cond
           ((let ((path exec-path) dir (found nil))
              (while (and path (not found))
!               (setq dir (or (car path) "."))
                (setq path (cdr path))
                (setq dir (concat dir (if (string-match "/$" dir) "../" "/../")))
                (setq found (funcall sunpro-dir-p dir)))

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: PATCH: XEmacs 19.14 crashes in tt_close while exiting
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You *may* be able to avoid the crash with this patch:
(Only known to work if building on Solaris 2.5, running on Solaris 2.6)

*** /tmp/geta6611	Fri Jul  5 17:14:40 1996
--- emacs.c	Sun Jun 30 03:41:03 1996
***************
*** 1665,1672 ****
--- 1665,1675 ----
  
  #ifdef TOOLTALK
    tt_session_quit (tt_default_session ());
+ #if 0
+   /* The following crashes when built on X11R5 and run on X11R6 */
    tt_close ();
  #endif
+ #endif /* TOOLTALK */
  
  #ifdef VMS
    kill_vms_processes ();

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Sun precompiled binaries for 19.14 display hyper-apropos incorrectly
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Benjamin Drago <drago@hc.ti.com> writes:

> Is it assumed that both normal and sparcworks versions of Xemacs will
> not be installed at the same time?  Or is there a way to create
> sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks and sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks
> directories under ./lib/xemacs-19.14?  Any suggestions?

If you untar the sparcworks version, rename the bin subdir to 
sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks,
and then untar the non-sparcworks version, then they should both work.
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From: narayana@bashan.cs.wisc.edu (Narayanan Anand)
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Subject: background color
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Hello,

I just tried out xemacs and I find that the command M-x
set-background-color does not work! How do I change the background
color ~dynamically~ in xemacs? The command line argument, of course,
just gives it an initial color...


-- 
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Hello,

I'm having a problem saving a mail message to a file using VM and 
xemacs 19.14. If the file already exists then there is no problem,
but if the file does not exist then VM gives the error message:

"Wrong type argument: stringp, nil".

If I try to save the message a second time then VM exits but leaves
xemacs still running. Can anyone shed some light on this problem?

-- 
Eze Ogwuma.


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Frederic Abiven (abiven@simulog.fr) wrote:
: Yes and no, I set in my .emacs (or defaults.el) :

: (setq minibuffer-smart-completion-tracking-behavior t)
: (fset 'minibuffer-mouse-tracker 'minibuffer-smart-mouse-tracker)
I put the above 2 lines in my .emacs file, but it did not work:
When I put the mouse over a file (after being in open-file mode), the file gets
highlighted, but when I do do MB2, I get:
Wrong type argument stringp, (126 47 99 104 107 105 110 117 116 47 . "file").

Also, EVERY word that is under the mouse pointer gets hightlighted -- in
XEmacs 19.11, only the words which matched real file names got highlighted.
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David Hinz wrote:
> 
> kyriacou stelios wrote:
> > David Hinz  <dhinz@dna406.dna.mci.com> wrote:
> > >If you have a file checked from RCS and make changes in Xemacs then try
> > >and use the VC pulldown and checkin the file you will get a window
> > >asking if you want to revert the changes to the file.
> >
> > I remember a very similar (maybe same) annoying bug in vc even for 19.12 or 19.13.
> 
> I used VC with RCS on 19.13 all the time and never encountered the above
> problem. I was very surprised when it didn't work.

I've used XEmacs v19.13 and VC and had no problems. 
Then I changed jobs, downloaded a fresh copy of XEmacs v19.13 (for SunOS) and 
started getting the same problems you are having. In both of those cases, I was
using the version of VC that had ClearCase extensions. 
Since getting XEmacs v19.14, I've seen the problem happen once so far. I've also
noticed that the VC distributed with XEmacs now comes with ClearCase support
included.

eddy

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RP> == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>

 ckd> On a properly (IMHO) configured SunOS 4.1.x system, gethostname()
 ckd> and the gethostby* routines will return FQDNs.  Those are (again
 ckd> IMHO) the only "true" names you can return for a host--anything
 ckd> shorter is a nickname.

 RP> "Proper configuration" in this regard is as simple changing the
 RP> hostname to the fully qualified hostname.

I said "gethostname() and the gethostby* routines."
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Admittedly, if you put the FQDNs first in /etc/hosts (or the source for
the NIS hosts map) then gethostbyaddr() will return FQDNs, but in general,
using the DNS as the One True Host Name System is a better idea (and as I
said before, using FQDNs as the True Host Names).

The mishandling of hostnames is probably the biggest PITA in SunOS 4.x.


-- 
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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-unknown-linux1.99.14) of Tue Jun 25 1996 on atreides

Subject says it all.  Running pp with font-lock or hilit in
emacs-lisp-mode-hook can slow things down badly if you're pp'ing a
large object.  Per Abrahamsen suggested this fix for GNU Emacs more
than a year back after noticing a slowdown in ding's scoring stuff.
That fix doesn't seem to have made it into 19.30|31 either.

Sorry to CC a maintainer directly, but since report-emacs-bug is
broken, I wasn't sure if the address in there was correct.

-Sudish

diff -u /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/utils/pp.el~ /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/utils/pp.el
--- /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/utils/pp.el~	Fri Jul  5 22:36:38 1996
+++ /home/sj/xemacs/lisp/utils/pp.el	Fri Jul  5 22:36:38 1996
@@ -50,7 +50,8 @@
     (set-buffer (generate-new-buffer " pp-to-string"))
     (unwind-protect
 	(progn
-	  (emacs-lisp-mode)
+	  (let (emacs-lisp-mode-hook)
+	    (emacs-lisp-mode))
 	  (let ((print-escape-newlines pp-escape-newlines)
 		(print-readably pp-print-readably))
 	    (prin1 object (current-buffer)))
@@ -139,7 +140,8 @@
       (pp (car values)))
     (save-excursion
       (set-buffer "*Pp Eval Output*")
-      (emacs-lisp-mode))))
+      (let (emacs-lisp-mode-hook)
+	(emacs-lisp-mode)))))
 
 (defun pp-eval-last-sexp (arg)
   "Run `pp-eval-expression' on sexp before point (which see).


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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It's *that* time of the month again, and here's another edition of the
XEmacs FAQ.  There's a ton of additional material from the last
regularly schedule posting a month ago, and a reasonable amount of new
material from the posting the day before 19.14 was released.

Copies of the FAQ in ASCII may be obtained via anonymous FTP:
	ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/faq-July05.1996/

If you would prefer to read the material over the world wide web, the
canonical location of the FAQ is at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
The Primary Mirror is at:
	http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

A list of changes since the previous Usenet posting is kept at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html

I am going to keep past versions of this file around, but haven't
decided on a URL for it yet.

The FAQ is posted to Usenet on or around the 5th of each month.  It is
*not* currently crossposted to any of the *.answers newsgroups, but
will be in the near future.

Suggestions for new questions, modifications of answers, etc. are
gladly accepted.

C-u 20 M-x praise-be-unto-xemacs   :-)
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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at: <URL:
   http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at: <URL:
   http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much nicer
   than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at Utrecht,
   Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see <URL:
   http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.4.3, Q1.4.4, and Q1.4.5 were added on June 6.
    2. Q1.4.6 was added on June 7.
    3. Q1.4.1 was updated on June 11.
    4. Q1.3.5, Q1.3.6 were added on June 13.
    5. Q1.4.7 was added on June 16.
       
   This file was last modified on June 24, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived? [updated]
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
               o Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff
                 to `lignux' like RMS did?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
                 [updated]
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0 [new]
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
                 [new]
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own? [updated]
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around? [new]
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor? [new]
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key? [new]
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function? [new]
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0? [new]
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.13, released on September 1, 1995.
   
   The release date of 19.14 is now scheduled for June 23, the one year
   anniversary of the 19.12 release.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at <URL:
   ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the <URL:
   http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of some
   of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?

   There are currently irreconcilable differences between RMS and the
   XEmacs development team. Ben Wing posted to comp.emacs.xemacs an
   explanation, reproduced at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-merge.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at <URL:
   http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived? [updated]

   The mailing list is archived in the directory <URL:
   ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL: http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff to `lignux'
	like RMS did?

   Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   No.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ appears
   on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of answering
   a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like to hear
   about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be edited
   for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers appearing
   without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ dated before
   May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at the top of this
   document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles will always be
   attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ? [updated]

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <martin.buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q.1.2.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. Martin Buchholz <martin.buchholz@sun.com> may be doing
   some work on this.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0
	[new]

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses egg user interface. Interface
   for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to support
   ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free and
   Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made good grammar and dictionary. So for standard
   modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition, UNIX
   version of Canna is free. (now there is windows version)
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world. SUN bundled in Japanese version of Solaris). Maybe few
   users uses it.
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0? [new]

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own? [updated]

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are expected to be alike, but that's the point. The XEmacs
   distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine where the
   etc directory you may type the command ESC : data-directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around? [new]

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL: ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL: http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor? [new]

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key? [new]

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL: ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function? [new]

   Quoting from the lispref manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0? [new]

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.1.1, Q2.1.2, and Q2.1.8 were updated on June 11.
    2. Q2.0.6, Q2.1.9, and Q2.1.10 were added on June 11.
    3. Q2.1.11 was added on June 12.
    4. Q2.1.12 was added on June 13.
    5. Q2.0.7 was added on June 15.
    6. Q2.0.8, and Q2.1.13 were added on June 16.
    7. Q2.1.1 was updated on June 17.
    8. Q2.1.14 and Q2.1.15 were added on June 17.
    9. Q2.0.9 was added on June 21.
   10. Q2.0.10 was added on June 23.
   11. Q2.1.16 was added on June 26.
   12. Q2.0.11 was added on July 1.
   13. Q2.1.17 was added on July 4.
   14. Q2.1.18 and Q2.1.19 were added on July 5.
       
   This file was last modified on July 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do? [new]
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations [new]
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [new]
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong? [new]
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names [new]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me! [updated]
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages [updated]
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal [updated]
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why! [updated]
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
                 [new]
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers [new]
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......" [new]
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1 [new]
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure [new]
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [new]
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
                 [new]
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10 [new]
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere [new]
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10 [new]
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone [new]
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, mode, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely do
   not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from them
   if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at <URL:
   ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/> <URL:
   ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. XEmacs is unfortunately named in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do? [new]

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations [new]

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [new]

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/>. The canonical locations are as follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL: ftp://godzilli.cs.sunysb.edu:pub/ngf/>. v0.89c is
          current. There is a HOWTO here. XEmacs requires a fairly recent
          version to avoid using temporary files. <URL:
          ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL: ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?
	[updated]

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames [new]

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me! [updated]

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages [updated]

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal [updated]

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColour     black
xemacs*pointerColour    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   xemacs startup, which says Colour Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash [new]

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers [new]

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......" [new]

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1 [new]

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL: http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure [new]

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [new]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger [new]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <martin.buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. Thankfully, you will still get a Lisp backtrace output when
            XEmacs crashes (at least in 19.14 and above), so you'll have
            something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could try doing
            call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even after a
            fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10 [new]

   From the problems database (through <URL:
   http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere [new]

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10 [new]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone [new]

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ
   archives.
   
   This file was last modified on July 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.14?
          + Q6.0.2 XEmacs Beta Testers needed.
          + Q6.0.3 New PNG Support required for 19.14
          + Q6.0.4 Tips for 19.13 to 19.14 migration
          + Q6.0.5 XEmacs 19.14 has been released.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.14?

   The following information is reproduced from the XEmacs Release Notes
   from the 19.14-b20 internal release.
   
  Future Plans for XEmacs
  
   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a "lite" distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language ("MULE") support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
  Major Differences Between 19.13 and 19.14
  
   This is a major new release. Many features have been added, as well as
   many bugs fixed.
   
   The Motif menubar has still NOT been fixed for 19.14. You should use
   the Lucid menubar instead.
   
  Major User-Visible Changes:
  
     * Color support in TTY mode is provided. You have to have a TTY
       capable of displaying them, such as color xterm or the console
       under Linux. If your terminal type supports colors (e.g.
       `xterm-color'), XEmacs will automatically notice this and start
       using color.
     * blink-cursor-mode enables a blinking text cursor. There is a
       menubar option for this also.
     * auto-show-mode is turned on by default; this means that XEmacs
       will automatically scroll a window horizontally as necessary to
       keep point in view.
     * a file dialog box is provided and will be used whenever you are
       prompted for a filename as a result of a menubar selection.
     * XEmacs can be compiled with built-in GIF, JPEG, and PNG support.
       The GIF libraries are supplied with XEmacs; for JPEG and PNG, you
       have to obtain the appropriate libraries (this is well-
       documented). This makes image display much easier and faster under
       W3 (the web browser) and TM (adds MIME support to VM and GNUS; not
       yet included with XEmacs but will be in 19.15).
     * XEmacs provides a really nice mode (PSGML with "Wing
       improvements") for editing HTML and other SGML documents. It
       parses the document, and as a result it does proper indentation,
       can show you the context you're in, the allowed tags at a
       particular position, etc.
     * XEmacs comes standard with modes for editing Java and VRML code,
       including font-lock support.
     * GNUS 5 comes standard with XEmacs.
     * You can now embed colors in the modeline, with different sections
       of the modeline responding appropriately to various mouse
       gestures: For example, clicking on the "read-only" indicator
       toggles the read-only status of a buffer, and clicking on the
       buffer name cycles to the next buffer. Pressing button3 on these
       areas brings up a popup menu of appropriate commands.
     * There is a much nicer mode for completion lists and such. At the
       minibuffer prompt, if you hit page-up or Meta-V, the completion
       buffer will be displayed (if it wasn't already), you're moved into
       it, and can move around and select filenames using the arrow keys
       and the return key. Rather than a cursor, a filename is
       highlighted, and the arrow keys change which filename is
       highlighted.
     * The edit-faces subsystem has also been much improved, in somewhat
       similar ways to the completion list improvements.
     * Many improvements were made to the multi-device support. We now
       provide an auxiliary utility called "gnuattach" that lets you
       connect to an existing XEmacs process and display a TTY frame on
       the current TTY connection, and commands `make-frame-on-display'
       (with a corresponding menubar entry) and `make-frame-on-tty' for
       more easily creating frames on new TTY or X connections.
     * We have incorporated nearly all of the functionality of GNU Emacs
       19.30 into XEmacs. This includes support for lazy-loaded byte code
       and documentation strings, improved paragraph filling, better
       support for margins within documents, v19 regular expression
       routines (including caching of compiled regexps), etc.
     * In accordance with GNU Emacs 19.30, the following key binding
       changes have been made:
          + C-x ESC -> C-x ESC ESC
          + ESC ESC -> ESC :
          + ESC ESC ESC is abort anything (keyboard-escape-quit).
     * All major packages have been updated to their latest-released
       versions.
     * XEmacs now gracefully handles a full colormap (such as typically
       results when running Netscape). The nearest available color is
       automatically substituted.
     * Many bug fixes to the subprocess/PTY code, ps-print, menubar
       functions, `set-text-properties', DEC Alpha support, toolbar
       resizing (the "phantom VM toolbar" bug), and lots and lots of
       other things were made.
     * The ncurses library (a replacement for curses, found especially
       under Linux) is supported, and will be automatically used if it
       can be found.
     * You can now undo in the minibuffer.
     * font-lock has been merged with GNU Emacs 19.30, improved defaults
       have been added, and changes have been made to the way it is
       configured.
     * Many, many modes have menubar entries for them.
     * `recover-session' lets you recover whatever files can be recovered
       after your XEmacs process has died unexpectedly.
     * C-h k followed by a toolbar button press correctly reports the
       binding of the toolbar button.
     * `function-key-map', `key-translation-map', and
       `keyboard-translate-table' are now correctly implemented.
     * `show-message-log' (and its menubar entry under Edit) have been
       removed; instead use `view-lossage' (and its menubar entry under
       Help).
     * There is a standard menubar entry for specifying which browser
       (Netscape, W3, Mosaic, etc.) to use when dispatching URL's in
       mail, Usenet news, etc.
     * Improved native sound support under Linux.
     * Lots of other things we forgot to mention.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Beta Testers are needed.

   The XEmacs Developers are looking for a few good men and women to
   become XEmacs beta testers. If you are interested, please follow the
   directions given in Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.3 New PNG Support

   XEmacs 19.14 has inline support for a wide variety of graphic formats,
   including PNG. You must have recent PNG libraries, v0.89c is the
   latest. The oldest version verified as working is v0.87. Libpng is
   available from <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png>.
   
   If you are using libgr as the source of your graphic libraries you
   must upgrade to 2.0.8 in order to use PNG support with XEmacs. Libgr
   is available at:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.ctd.comsat.com/pub/linux/ELF/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.4 Tips for 19.13 to 19.14 migration

    1. Submitted by John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
       The format for Save Options changed between 19.13 and 19.14. If
       you wish to use both versions, this recipe will work:
         1. First, save the portion at the end of your .emacs that was
            created by Save Options under XEmacs 19.13 as a new file, say
            .xemacs-options-19.13. That is, everything between, and
            including, the lines:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
        and

;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings
         2. Then add this bit of code in its place:

;; Load options for XEmacs 19.13.
(if (= emacs-minor-version 13)
    (load "~/.xemacs-options-19.13"))
        Now, if you use 19.14 and use Save Options, it will create a file
            called .xemacs-options in which settings for 19.14 will be
            saved, and a bit of code will be written to your .emacs to
            load that file only if you are running 19.14.
    2. Submitted by John Turner <turner@xdiv.lanl.gov>
          + When I start up I see Invalid color instantiator: nil. What's
            happening?
            Are you loading version 1.4 of search-menu? It is
            incompatible with XEmacs 19.14.
          + When I try to post a message in the Gnus distributed with
            XEmacs 19.14 I get the message wrong-type-argument stringp
            nil in the minibuffer, but it seems to work. What's
            happening?
            Are you using uniquify? It is incompatible with Gnus 5.2.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.5 XEmacs 19.14 was released

   On June 23, XEmacs 19.14 was finally released, one year to the day
   after XEmacs 19.13 was released.
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   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.0.16 was added on June 9.
    2. Q5.3.9 was updated on June 11.
    3. Q5.0.2 was updated on June 23.
    4. Q5.0.17 was added on June 23.
    5. Q5.0.18 was added on June 26.
    6. Q5.1.1 was updated on June 27.
       
   This file was last modified on June 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode? [updated]
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame?
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subseqeuent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off? [new]
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time? [new]
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working [new]
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs? [updated]
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.6 Is there some way to get the behavior so that if
                 the current buffer has a file associated with it, the
                 current buffer will use that files name else use the
                 buffer name?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info. [Updated]
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode? [updated]

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing default-major-mode from fundamental-mode
   can break a large amount of built-in code that expects newly created
   buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing from fundamental-mode to
   auto-fill text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but changing to
   something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many Emacs
   packages).
   
   Note that Emacs defaultly starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of *scratch* be sure that this will not
   interfere with possible later insertion of the startup message (e.g.
   if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has automatic font
   lock rules, then the startup message might get fontified in a strange
   foreign manner, e.g. as code in some programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace Ctrl-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To put the current buffer into
   viper-mode, use the command: M-x viper. To make viper-mode the
   default, add the following lines to your .emacs:

(load-library "viper")
(setq term-setup-hook 'viper)
(setq find-file-hooks 'viper)
(setq find-file-not-found-hooks 'viper)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame?

   If you set the gnuserv-screen variable to the frame that should be
   used to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-screen (selected-frame))

   early on in your @file{.emacs}, to ensure that the first frame created
   is the one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL: http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?
	[new]

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time? [new]

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working [new]

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences between XEmacs and
	GNU Emacs? [updated]

   The real question might be rephrased as When should one use the quoted
   list, vector, or escaped string representations of key sequences? Is
   there any particular advantage to one representation over another?
   Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> writes (with additional comments
   by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>):
   
   (meta a)
          is a convenience shorthand for the sequence [(meta a)].
          (global-set-key 'a 'foo) means the same thing as
          (global-set-key '[a] 'foo). It could be argued that allowing
          such a shorthand just leads to sloppiness and bugs, but it's
          there, and it isn't likely to go away.
          
          Per: Since it is not supported by GNU Emacs it should be
          avoided.
          
   [(meta a)]
          is The Right Thing. It corresponds in a one-to-one way with the
          internal representation of key-sequences in keymaps.
          
          Per: This is supported by both GNU Emacs since 19.29 and
          XEmacs. Use this.
          
   [ ?\M-a ]
          is typical GNU Emacs 19 brain damage. As is usual, an existing,
          functional design is ignored (XEmacs) and an incompatible and
          technically worse kludge is used.
          
   "\ea"
          is compatible with Emacs 18, but suffers from ASCII Seven-Bit
          Brain Damage. I also find it harder to read. Use this if you're
          trying to write code which works in every Emacs, but be aware
          that you can not express all possible key-sequences (control-9,
          f1, etc.) using this.
          
          Per: This is the only syntax that will work in Emacs 18.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation (@samp{then} indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press Ctrl-C in
   the window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 Is there some way to get the behavior so that if the current
	buffer has a file associated with it, the current buffer will
	use that files name else use the buffer name?

   Just set frame-title-format from find-file-hooks. Alternatively, look
   at the answer to question 99.9.
   
   In addition, one could set modeline-format.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info. [Updated]

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below. <URL:
   ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |head +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ
   archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.2.1 was updated on June 6.
    2. Q4.3.4 was updated on June 8.
    3. Q4.3.2 and Q4.2.2 were updated on June 11.
    4. Q4.1.2 and Q4.7.2 were added on June 11.
    5. Q4.0.10 and Q4.2.3 were added on June 17.
    6. Q4.0.11 was added on June 21.
    7. Q4.2.4 and Q4.7.3 were added on July 1.
       
   This file was last modified on July 1, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.4 How do I change whether the VM buffer appears in
                 a separate frame?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame? [New]
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies? [New]
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall? [New]
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh! [Updated]
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
                 [Updated]
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
                 [New]
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line? [New]
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [Updated]
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems? [Updated]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks and EOS
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks and EOS
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets? [New]
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14 [New]
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL: ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:
   http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/
   faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 How do I change whether the VM buffer appears in a separate
	frame?

   There are various variables, called vm-frame-per-*. Use Apropos to
   find them. For example, if you don't want VM to create a new frame
   when visiting a folder, do

(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make movemail setgid to a suitable group such as mail.
   You can use these commands (as root):

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame? [New]

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies? [New]

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'smiley)
(require 'messagexmas)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall? [New]

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh! [Updated]

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14? [Updated]

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [New]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line? [New]

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [Updated]

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems? [updated]

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at <URL:
   http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.html>.
   In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape use
   the version of movemail configured for your system by the person who
   built XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks and EOS

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL: http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes: Era stood for Emacs
   Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the modified version of
   Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was got dragged, er, allowed to work on
   this wonderful editor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL: mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use <URL:
   mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from the
   list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending help
   requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most resent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL: ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access anonymous ftp, you can get it by email
   requests to <URL: mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL: ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 3 Part 5 =>

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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.0.4, and Q3.1.8 were updated on June 5.
    2. Q3.0.2, Q3.0.4, Q3.2.4, Q3.4.1, Q3.5.4, Q3.5.8, Q3.5.9, Q3.8.1,
       Q3.8.5, Q3.8.6, Q3.9.1, Q3.10.1, Q3.10.2, Q3.10.3, Q3.10.4 were
       updated on June 11.
    3. Q3.2.5, and Q3.10.5 were added on June 11.
    4. Q3.3.6 was retired on June 26.
       
   This file was last modified on June 26, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer? [Updated]
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right. [Updated]
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage? [Updated]
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them [New]
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away? [Updated]
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off?
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display? [Updated]
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete? [Updated]
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain? [Updated]
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do ^x ^b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
                 [Updated]
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off? [Updated]
               o Q3.8.6 How do I turn off the Toolbar? [Updated]
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [Updated]
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off? [Updated]
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off? [New]
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer? [Updated]

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path? [Updated]

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's always a mistake, under all circumstances, to test emacs-version
   or any similar variables, in case they are not bound, unless you do
   the above.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code? (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
                               (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(if (eq (device-class) 'color)
    (progn
      (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
      (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face "Red")
      ....
      ))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) @var{characters})
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) @var{lines})

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO  .shell.       .pane        .BAR
Class:   Emacs.TopLevelShell.XmMainWindow.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell.       .pane        .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelShell.XmMainWindow.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.
	[Updated]

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default "bisque")          ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default "black")           ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")   ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font  'default "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight "blue")          ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline "blue")           ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline "white")
(set-face-font  'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch "yellow")          ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color "black")        ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color "blue")         ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage? [Updated]

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them [New]

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away? [Updated]

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn this off?

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu. in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (ie went into Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. ie. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (ie. your .emacs or a xx.el
       file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   NB: None of this stuff is probably compatible with 19.14 and its
   default colored modeline.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display? [Updated]

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete? [Updated]

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain? [Updated]

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward? [Updated]

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance =>Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do ^x ^b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank. The
   default behavior for XEmacs is to do exactly this. To get the GNU
   Emacs behavior do:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point nil)

   in your .emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)? [Updated]

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off? [Updated]

   To turn it off:
(set-specifier top-toolbar-height (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   and to turn it back on:
(remove-specifier top-toolbar-height (selected-frame))

   This doesn't work on my system. -sb.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 How do I turn off the Toolbar? [Updated]

   Select the Options -> Toolbar Appearance -> Visible option from the
   Menubar. Or use:

(set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)

   Neither this technique, nor the one in the previous question work
   correctly on my system, in either 19.13 or 19.14. -sb.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [Updated]

   To turn disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear is the value of
   scrollbar-width for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections? [Updated]

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text? [Updated]

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off? [Updated]

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off? [Updated]

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off? [New]

   I don't know.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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>>>>> "Narayanan" == Narayanan Anand <narayana@bashan.cs.wisc.edu> writes:

    Narayanan> Hello, I just tried out xemacs and I find that the
    Narayanan> command M-x set-background-color does not work! How do
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"Options" menu.  I think if you looked through the "~/.xemacs-options"
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From: Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr>
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Subject: XEmacs file browser vs completion buffer
Date: 06 Jul 1996 16:01:32 +0200
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	Hi,
	The new XEmacs-19.14 has a file browser which is pleasing to
the eye but in my opinion much less efficient than the completion
facility of 19.13. By hitting tab twice, you get a completion buffer
which work almost as a file browser: you can click at a directory to
open it, click on .. to go to the parent directory ... I would like to
draw the attention of the XEmacs maintainers to some deficiencies of
browser with respect to the completion.

1) The file browser is slow: it needs several second to come up while
the completion buffer springs to life almost instantaneously.

2) In the file browser, completion and mouse click are incompatible.
Using the completion buffer if you have typed ~/fo and TAB for ex.
then you get all file names starting with fo: foo foo.c, foo.c~ for
ex. You may then click on foo.c to open this file. It DOESN'T work
that way in the file browser: if you have type ~/fo and TAB then
clicking on foo.c, you won't get the file open but only a bip and a
complain from XEmacs that there is no such file name as ~/fofoo.c. Is
this a bug ? As it stands the file browser can be used only with
either the mouse or the keyboard but not both. The completion buffer
allow you to use both, which is very convenient to search quickly a
file started with f, for ex. when you have many file names

3) The file browser has a strange way to display files. If I have say
8 files in a directory I may only see 4 of them and a LOT of blank
lines. This is because the file browser uses lines of 80 (?) columns
while the viewing area is about 40 columns wide. This is very
confusing to me and (perhaps to any unsuspecting user) because when I
see a several blank lines I would conclude that all the files are
display. Only by looking closely, I find the little continuation
character at the right end on the viewing window and realize that half
of the file names are hidden. Why don't display files names in 2
columns and have all of them visible. Even in the case when there a too
may files so that only some can be seen, it is much easier to search
for a particular file by scrolling only in vertical direction rather
than by scrolling in both horizontal and vertical directions. It
shouldn't be difficult to arranged that filename is displayed in a
number of columns that fit the viewing area. May be there is already
lisp variables for adjusting the number of columns used by the file
browser?

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From: Johann Friedrich Heinrichmeyer <jfh@es-sun2.fernuni-hagen.de>
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Now i was able to analyze the VM and new folder problem:

At least when there has to be built a new folder and i save something
in the new folder and then visit the folder then

the title of the main window is not updated, so there is confusion
because one does not realize the folder has changed. 

When i close the INBOX with quit, then the title in the window from
the visited folder is correct and the summary command works .... 
strange ...

Btw. what is a virtual folder? I find nothing in the info system ...

VM is really hard to handle for me till now ...

Also when going into another buffer in the vm frame the toolbar stays
present ..


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zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:

> i hate to followup my own post but i think this works better than a
> supersede. 
> 
> i forgot to add that i also gave configure --cflags="-O2 -m486" when i
> built this the final time.  i didn't use -g, which is a default flag.
> is this really necessary?  the binary i got after adding the -O2 -m486
> was about half the size as the one that used the default cflags, -g
> - -O.  

I configured it  with --cflags="-04" on a pentium and ended with a 
binary that is 3 times as small as the first probe. The first one without
flags was more than 9MB, the last one with --cflags="-04" is 3.1MB.
And till now (for over a week at a daily based heavy use) seems to
be stabble. Was after i upgraded to kernel 2.0.0 based on a redhat 3.0.3
distribution.

henk



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From: Frode Stokke <Frode.Stokke@halden.scandpower.no>
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j_m@nfuel.com (Jeff McElroy) writes:

> 
> How can I suppress the popup dialog box that appears after selecting an
> error in compilation mode. With version 19.13 the action was to jump to
> the appropriate file and line upon selecting an error with the middle
> mouse button.
> 
> I'm using the pre-compiled XEmacs version 19.14 for HP-UX 9.05
> 
> any hints on how to get back the old action of jumping directly
> to the file and line the error occured by mouse selection?
> 



The problem can be fixed by commenting out the following line in the
file lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/compile.el (line 195):

    ;; jwz:
    ;; IRIX 5.2
    ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
    (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
    

Remember to do a (byte-compile-file "compile.el") after editing the
file. (i.e., type "M-x byte-compile-file" and answer "compile.el" at
the "Byte compile file:" prompt)

- Frode


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Also, I've installed Xemacs version 19.14, and it has this same behavior.
Is there any setting that I can use to cause the cursor to automatically
switch to the original buffer?

Brent

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Henk <tank@xs4all.nl> writes:

> I tried to install ange-ftp but ended up with a big mess.  I'm using
> xemacs-19.14 and downloaded the newest version of ange-ftp from their
> primary site.

XEmacs is shipped with a working version of ange-ftp.  The versions of
ange-ftp that you'll find around the world are for Emacs v18 or for
windows-based versions of Emacs.

ange-ftp will have a home page from Tuesday morning (GMT) as:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/ange-ftp

with more information available.
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I'm migrating away from the Netscape mail/news readers, and
was wondering if GNUS has anything like the Addressbook
(where you just type a nickname and it expands to the send-to-users's
full email address)

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Over the last few years, since discovering Linux,
I have observed the many flame wars about what is the best
editor.  Common entries were:
vi, vim, elvis, pico, emacs, jove ...
I tried many of them, and, no doubt they could do
lots of things.  The only problem was that aside from
pico (which could do very little),
they were all confusing as heck!
I finally broke down and decided to give xemacs a try.

I think I may like it!  bare bone operation for the new user
is available by way of menus, so even my mom
*could* understand how to use it. (for simple text file editing)

The configuration is still eluding me, as I don't understand lisp.
(I'll learn)

One thing I haven't seen that I really like, is a
behavior I saw on a VMS TPU variation, Polyedit.

I could hold down shift and move the cursor to highlight
text, then hit delete to do an emacs equiv of kill-region.

I could move the cursor and then hit insert, and it would paste the
stuff I just killed.

Could someone explain how to do this?
(or set me on the road?)
Thanks!


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>From article <m24tnya191.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>, by Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>:
> Byron> However, in GNUS I can't sign or encode any articles I edit
> Byron> inside GNUS. Anybody ran into this?
> 
> No.  Are you sure you have all your hooks set up correctly?

I can also say, that unless I explicitely put in my ~/.emacs
file the following lines, Mailcrypt menu doesn't appear, and
Supercite isn't invoked in GNUS at all, or at least it does
not prompt me for quotations...
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>>>>> "Axel" == Axel Ramge <101610.3004@compuserve.com> writes:

Axel> ?

It would be enormous and a difficult build since all the
prebytecompiled lisp must be built by magic.

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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

Ray> I have just installed XEmacs today and I am having problems with the
Ray> local time showing up on the mode line. If I go to a shell it shows
Ray> my local time correctly, however in XEmacs it defaults to GMT. I have
Ray> these lines in my .emacs file :

Ray> (require 'timezone)
Ray> (display-time)
Ray> I used this with my old XEmacs-19.13 and it worked. I even seem to think
Ray> it was working earlier today, but I'm not sure.

Ray> Any idea anyone, please.

You're using a prebuilt binary, correct?  If so, this is in the XEmacs
FAQ.

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
                                                   
   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the    
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:
 
(set-time-zone-rule "MET")                
               
   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.                                                 
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>>>>> "Brian" == Brian Denheyer <briand@northwest.com> writes:

sb> It is not a good idea to strip a dumped XEmacs.  It is supposed to be
sb> possible to strip temacs before creating a dumped XEmacs, but I've
sb> never tried that.  Compiling without the -g flag, and linking
sb> everything you can dynamically is the best solution.

Brian> Hmmm. I've been running a stripped 19.13 and everything is fine.
Brian> Should I start to worry ?

No, not if you've got some stable history on it.  If the binary were
acting flaky, crashing often, etc.  then it would be wise to rebuild
it.
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Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:

> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have been trying to get out onto the web with the W3 package that came with
> the new xemcs-19.14.   Unfortunately, I am stuck behind a firewall.  To get
> out of here, we have to telnet or ftp to a server and then get out.
> 
> I was using Netscape 3.0b4 which allows you to set FTP_PROXY, HTTP_PROXY, 
> HTTPS_PROXY, GOPHER_PROXY, etc.  I just set these in my preferences to the 
> server and a specified port number.  This allowed me to go on the web 
> effortlessly.  Is there anything like this in W3?  I looked at the firewall 
> information that is available in INFO but none of it helps.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.  And not to seem like an ingrate... I thank you
> ... my mother thanks you... my future children thank you...
> 
> Bidemi Temidire

Put several 'setenv' statements to your .cshrc file which define your proxy 
server name and the port:

setenv gopher_proxy server_name:port
setenv ftp_proxy server_name:port
setenv wais_proxy server_name:port
setenv http_proxy server_name:port
setenv file_proxy server_name:port

Helen

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Alex Kowalenko <lex@zip.com.au> writes:

> 
> Can someone spilt up xemacs 19.14 for ftp'ing!  It's almost
> impossible to fetch the 11Mb or 15MB files into Australia,
> and most of the ftp archive site have not updated their distribution
> from 19.13 to 19.14 (including the Austrlian site).
> 
> I don't think that my ISP would like if 15Mb was mailed to from 
> a ftpmail'er.
> 
> Alex

Why don't you use "reget" command ? (every site with wu-ftpd supports it)

Helen




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From: hlam@bertil.hallf.lth.se (Anders Magnusson)
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Hi.

I'm runnig xemacs 19.14, and it's very good (somewhat slow when editing 
large files but not more so than 19.13). There is one thing that has 
changed, I think, that I personally don't like, and that is the way it 
behaves in Buffer menu mode. In 19.13 button2 on the mouse gave me the 
file that was marked in the whole frame, but now I only get it in half 
the frame. I have set preferences "Other window" location to Always in 
same frame, but I would like it to occupie the whole frame. It seems 
that the function 
Buffer-menu-mouse-select has been changed. Is there any way to get back
to the previous behaviour? 
I will appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks


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Is it possible to bind the number-5 key on the keypad?
It works fine when not using X, but under X, I just get a
space whne I do a ctrl-v.  I find that having this key bound
to 'buffer-menu-other-window is very handy.  It would also
be nice if we could bind the "+" and "enter" keys on the 
keypad as well.  This is xemacs 19.14

Thanks,
-joe

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From: Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>
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Subject: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
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Hi there

I have recently started using the TM mime tools package, mainly from
VM.

I am very happy with it, but there is one feature I would like to
change.

In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view mode
is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an image, but
it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I have to click
again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to the message etc.

So, my question is:

is it possible to configure TM *not* to enter MIME-viewer mode when
the Content-Type line matches the following:

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Thanks in advance

Glenn.

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Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
>  Not quite...  Try:
> 
> (defun indent-buffer ()
>   "indent the entire buffer"
>   (interactive)
>   (save-excursion
>     (mark-whole-buffer)
>     (indent-region (point-min) (point-max) nil)))
> 
> (global-set-key "\C-ci" 'indent-buffer)

Heres one more, not only for the whole buffer :-)

(defun my-mode-indent ()
  "Indent either current line or primary selection, if exists."
  (interactive "")
  (if (and (extentp primary-selection-extent)
	   (eq (current-buffer) (extent-buffer 
primary-selection-extent)))
      (indent-region (region-beginning) (region-end) nil)
    (funcall indent-line-function)))

and then set the TAB key to this. I do it mode-specific in every
xxx-mode-hook. More flexible then having an extra comand for 
indent-buffer. Probably you already have mark-whole-buffer on some
handy key...

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Axel" == Axel Ramge <101610.3004@compuserve.com> writes:
    Axel> ?

    Steven> It would be enormous and a difficult build since all the
    Steven> prebytecompiled lisp must be built by magic.


I actually spent a half hour working on generating one.  The patch was
going to end up being over half the size of the full distribution.
Given the complexity of the patch itself and since it wasn't going to
be that big of a savings on download size I abandoned it.



			-Chuck

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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Subject: Re: Split up xemacs 19.14 for ftp!!!
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    Alex> Can someone spilt up xemacs 19.14 for ftp'ing!  It's almost
    Alex> impossible to fetch the 11Mb or 15MB files into Australia,
    Alex> and most of the ftp archive site have not updated their
    Alex> distribution from 19.13 to 19.14 (including the Austrlian
    Alex> site).


XEmacs 19.14 is available in 1Mb chunks at:

	ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/split


At least the last four releases have been available in a split version
and all future releases will be as well.



			-Chuck

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David Morton wrote:
> I could hold down shift and move the cursor to highlight
> text, then hit delete to do an emacs equiv of kill-region.
> 
> I could move the cursor and then hit insert, and it would paste the
> stuff I just killed.

Used to DOS editors? Me too. So I came up with this:

dosedit.el:
-----------
;;########################################################################
;;
;; defun's needed for dos-edit
;;
;;########################################################################

;; here is our own command-hook to enabled marking as known from 
;; dos editors:
;; cursor & all other movment keys don't create a primary selection
;; until pressed together with the shift modifier
;; =>
;; i)  movement without shift : disown primary selection
;; ii) movement with shift    : if first time, set mark
;;
;; thomas feuster, 14.05.1995

(defvar dos-edit-verbose
  t
  "*nil disables on/off messages for dos-edit
1 suppresses messages on loading
t enables all messages")

(defun dos-edit-pre-hook ()
  "hook for dos-edit.

checks if the commands symbol \'dos-edit is set to \'do-mark, to see if 
anything must be done.

if the key is pressed without shift, the primary selection is discarded 
and the mark removed. with shift, mark is set (if not allready exists).

to make a key visible to dos-edit, use

(put \'key \'dos-edit \'do-mark)."
  (condition-case c  ;; don't ever signal an error in pre-command-hook!
      (let ((type (and (symbolp this-command)
		       (get this-command 'dos-edit))))
	(if (eq type 'do-mark)
	    (let ((shift-mode (logand 32 (event-modifier-bits (aref 
(this-command-keys) 0)))))
	      (cond ((= 32 shift-mode)
		     (if (not (extentp primary-selection-extent))
                         (progn
                           (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil)
			   (set-mark-command ()))))
		    ((= 0 shift-mode)
		     (if (and (extentp primary-selection-extent)
			      (eq (current-buffer) (extent-buffer 
primary-selection-extent)))
			 (cond (zmacs-regions
				(zmacs-deactivate-region))
			       ((eq (device-type) 'x)
				(x-disown-selection)))))))))
    (error
     (message "alle mann in die boote! %s" c))))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-on (verbose)
  "turn on dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos 
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (add-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose
    (message "dos-edit is on, use m-x dos-edit to turn it off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-off (verbose)
  "turn off dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos 
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (remove-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose (message "dos-edit is off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit (&optional arg)
  "toggle dos-edit.
with a positive argument, turns it on.
with a non-positive argument, turns it off."
  (interactive "P")
  (let* ((was-on (not (not (memq 'dos-edit-pre-hook pre-command-hook))))
	 (on-p (if (null arg)
		   (not was-on)
		(> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))
    (cond ((eq on-p was-on)
	   nil)
	  (on-p
	   (dos-edit-on dos-edit-verbose))
	  (t
	   (dos-edit-off dos-edit-verbose)))))

;; start dos-edit.  assume that if we load it then we obviously wanted
;; it on, even if it is already on.
(pending-delete 1)

(dos-edit-on (eq dos-edit-verbose t))
-----------

Now you need the following stuff in your .emacs:

-----------
;;;; make emacs behave like dos editor
(load "pending-del" nil t)
(load "/usr/local/tools/lemacs/dosedit" nil t)
-----------

And then set the property 'dos-edit to 'do-mark an all keys you like
and map del & insert (I prever the shifted versions as in DOS) and
off you go

-----------
(global-set-key 'up 'previous-line)
(put 'previous-line 'dos-edit 'do-mark)

(global-set-key '(shift delete) 'kill-region)

(global-set-key '(shift insert) 'yank)
(global-set-key '(control insert) 'copy-region-as-kill)
-----------

Hope that helps,
Thomas
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From: berlich@pc66.mppmu.mpg.de (Ruediger Berlich)
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Subject: Highlighting problems under Linux 2.0.1, xemacs 19.14
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Hi all,
I recently upgraded from xemacs 19.13 to 19.14. Unfortunately I'm since
experiencing a lot of problems with the syntax-highlighting (in the
modes for several different languages -- Fortran, Kumac, Ada, C/C++).
What happens is, that, from time to time xemacs changes the colours of
the syntax-highlighting, without been told to do so. I.e. keywords then
appear in yellow (ugh ...).
You can also explicitly edit the faces in the 'edit-faces' submenu and
save that in .emacs ('Save Options'). The behaviour stays the same.
This problem can be provoked by changing from colour-highlighting (with
the wanted colours still being present) to the display of different
(black- and white-) fonts and then changing back. Then the ugly colours will
appear.
My system is a Linux PC under Linux 2.0.1, newest S.u.S.E.-release.
The same happened under Linux 1.3.20 (Slackware). I'm using the prcompiled
'all-static' binaries for Linux/ELF and also tried the athena-version.
Compilation of the sources fails under 2.0.1 with some error about a wrong
declaration in a header-file (sorry, don't remember exactly, 
also erased the sources). Also, to get to the compilation-failure you have
to first edit a makefile and add a -L/usr/X11R6/lib for 'make-path', otherwise
it will complain about '-lX11 not found'. The configure-script seemed to find
that library, though.
Under 1.3.20 (Slackware) the compilation went o.k., but the binary seg-faulted
after showing the main-window for a second.

I didn't experience any of these problems under DEC-ALPHA/OSF. I'm using
xemacs there without any problem.

I didn't have any problems with xemacs 19.13 .

SInce I really depend on xemacs (the one and only editor :-), I would be glad
about any hint.

Bye and have a nice day,
Ruediger
[berlich@pc66.mppmu.mpg.de]


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

hey folks,

i've been playing with the compilation flags i give to XEmacs when i
compile it.  during this time i upgraded my system to Linux 2.0.2.
well, after doing this all of a sudden i couldn't compile XEmacs
anymore.  i verified that the problem is with some part of the Linux
2.0.2 source by simply having both Linux 2.0.0 and Linux 2.0.2
untarred and creating a sym link called Linux to either one.  there's
no doubt that something is wrong with 2.0.2 and XEmacs.

my system is GCC 2.7.2, libc 5.3.12, everything as up-to-date as
possible. 

here's the error i see when trying to compile with kernel 2.0.2:
(sorry for the long lines - those who need to can deal with it).

gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -I/usr/X11R6/include    -I/usr/include/ncurses  -o gnuserv /home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c gnuslib.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib    -lXau
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c: In function `timed_read':
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:381: `__FDSET_INTS' undeclared (first use this function)
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:381: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:381: for each function it appears in.)
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c: In function `main':
/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c:826: `__FDSET_INTS' undeclared (first use this function)
make[1]: *** [gnuserv] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zinc/projects/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
make: *** [lib-src] Error 2

i will try to pin down the 2.0.2 file that is causing the problem.

- -pjf


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Subject: Re: Ange-ftp fails to reopen connect
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Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov> writes:

> I'm using XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3.  When I try to get a file
> from a VAX running VMS using ange-ftp, I can initially read
> and write without problems.  After a while, the FTP
> connection times out, and the connection is closed.  After
> this, if I try to save a file with C-x C-s or C-x s, no
> errors are issued, but the file isn't saved.  Looking at the 
> *ftp user@node* buffer, a put is issued (which fails with No
> connection) and no attempt is made to reopen the connection.
 
> In 19.12, a second attempt at saving the file would cause the
> connection to be reopened.  This no longer happens.

> Any ideas what's happening?

If you could post a copy of your *ftp user@host* buffer, we could make a guess
at what is failing.
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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net>
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the "Regexps" node of the xemacs "info" file states that:

-=-=-=-=-
`\sCODE'
     matches any character [ ... ]
     thus, `w' for word constituent, `-' for whitespace
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=-=-=-=-=

but the "Syntax" node states that:

=-=-=-=-=
` '
     The class of whitespace characters.
-=-=-=-=-

and no `-' around...

it seems that `-' is the correct code.

am I missing something or is this a minor glitch ?

-- 
Nat    Linux

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whu@deakin.edu.au (Weiping Hu) writes:

> Hi, all.  I've just 'discovered' the wonderful world of xemacs, and
> was thrilled that I could edit transparently files on remote hosts
> like vax and sun.  However when I try to edit a file on a Windows NT
> server I couldn't get xemacs to understand the following
>   /whu@altair:
> file name.  It always tries to access a host C, which is actually the
> disk on altair.  The default directory I can login (ftp) is C:\ftp.  I
> tried 
>   /whu@altair:../
> but apperently it made it a local file name.

ange-ftp hasn't been told how to deal with NT server.  If you are willing to
upgrade to efs (ange-ftp++, in beta test) this will work with NT servers.

Details about efs will be made available from Tuesday morning under:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/efs
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From: Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com>
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Hi,
	It appears, that no matter what URL I give to
	XEmacs-W3-ange-ftp, it treats it as directory.
	And if that URL was actually a file, too bad,
	I cannot view/process it via XEmacs...

	Could somebody please comment? Is it something
	I got misconfigured? A known bug?...

	Thanks!  [XEmacs-19.14, Linux-2.0.3, libc-5.3.12]
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so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: Vinnie Shelton  <shelton@icd.teradyne.com>
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I couldn't find this in the FAQ, so I'll risk wasting the bandwidth
trying to find this out.  On 19.14, I'd like to run with only one
frame having a minibuffer, or perhaps even have a detached minibuffer
(as was possible in epoch).  How can I do this?  I tried setting
default-minibuffer-frame, but my new frames still came out with their
own minibuffers.

TIA,
  vin
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From: David Morton <dmorton@jinx.sckans.edu>
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Thanks for your patience on this, I'm still learning...

Ok, I tried that, and shift delete and shift insert
does work as expected, but the
shift key still doesn't select text.
I can work around it right now, as I discovered that C-space
set the mark.  But using shift and arrow keys
doesn't seem to do anything and would be more convenient.

I can't seem to do  
(global-set-key '(delete) 'kill-region)

is it set by something else after the .emacs file is read?


I don't understand the following lines (among others)
I put them in the .emacs file, is that the right place?

(global-set-key 'up 'previous-line)
(put 'up 'dos-edit 'do-mark)

I thought maybe this is what assigned the shift behavior,
but shift up does not select text.  I also tried this for down
and next-line, but no change.

any more hints?

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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Date: 08 Jul 1996 13:32:40 +1200
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David Morton <dmorton@jinx.sckans.edu> writes:

> I could hold down shift and move the cursor to highlight
> text, then hit delete to do an emacs equiv of kill-region.
> 
> I could move the cursor and then hit insert, and it would paste the
> stuff I just killed.

How about the following:

(defun carey-shift-move (movement-fn arg)
  (unless (mark) (push-mark (point) nil t))
  (funcall movement-fn arg))

(defun carey-shift-right (&optional arg)
  (interactive "_p")
  (carey-shift-move 'forward-char nil))

(defun carey-shift-left (&optional arg)
  (interactive "_p")
  (carey-shift-move 'backward-char nil))

(global-set-key [(shift right)] 'carey-shift-right)
(global-set-key [(shift left)] 'carey-shift-left)

Seeing the other threads about XEmacs' confusion between backspace and
delete, I wouldn't like to try changing it.  I'll stick with C-w and
C-y.  (If you do try, use `local-set-key', not `global-' so you don't
have to exit XEmacs when everything goes wrong.)

-- 
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tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller) writes:

> (seems any order is ok,
> but they need to be in separate frames). You should now have 4 frames, one for

     I'm guessing that the key is *multiple*, uniconized frames.  If you
have only one frame (or few frames) the slow cursor problem doesn't seem
to appear.  Turning on line-number-mode or display-column-mode makes the
problem worse.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

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In article <4rhnk8$71k@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>,
Stephen Wray <Steve.Wray@comp.vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
|
|In my .emacs-x file I have:
|
|(global-unset-key 'backspace)
|(global-unset-key 'backward-delete-char-untabify)
|
|(load "delbackspace.el")
|
|(global-set-key '(backspace) (quote backward-delete-char))
|(global-set-key '(delete) (quote delete-char))
|
|(global-set-key '(meta backspace) (quote backward-kill-word))
|(global-set-key '(control backspace) (quote kill-line-backwards))
|(global-set-key '(hyper backspace) (quote backward-kill-sentence))
|
|(global-set-key '(meta delete) (quote kill-word))
|(global-set-key '(control delete) (quote kill-line))
|(global-set-key '(hyper delete) (quote kill-sentence))
|
|
|
|PLEASE HELP! xemacs looks very enticing, but this appaling BUG makes
|it extremely annoying!

If you load delbackspace, you shouldn't be messing with the
bindings of backspace and delete yourself.  Try deleting all lines
except

(load "delbackspace")

and I'm sure things will improve markedly.

ben
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more painful than the risk it took to blossom." -- Anais Nin

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In article <87688149oz.fsf@tank.worldcom.nl>, Henk  <tank@xs4all.nl> wrote:
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|zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
|
|> i hate to followup my own post but i think this works better than a
|> supersede. 
|> 
|> i forgot to add that i also gave configure --cflags="-O2 -m486" when i
|> built this the final time.  i didn't use -g, which is a default flag.
|> is this really necessary?  the binary i got after adding the -O2 -m486
|> was about half the size as the one that used the default cflags, -g
|> - -O.  
|
|I configured it  with --cflags="-04" on a pentium and ended with a 
|binary that is 3 times as small as the first probe. The first one without
|flags was more than 9MB, the last one with --cflags="-04" is 3.1MB.
|And till now (for over a week at a daily based heavy use) seems to
|be stabble. Was after i upgraded to kernel 2.0.0 based on a redhat 3.0.3
|distribution.

Unless you're short on disk space, you shouldn't be worrying about the
-g flag.  Having it in will make your binary larger (on disk, at least),
but will have absolutely no effect on startup time, memory image, or
overall speed.  The advantage of -g is that you get much better
debugging info in case of a crash.

ben
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more painful than the risk it took to blossom." -- Anais Nin

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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Tynor <tynor@atlanta.twr.com> writes:

Steve> XEmacs 19.14 PowerPC running AIX 4.1.3. Configured with
Steve> "defaults" (./configure with no options).

Steve> XtOpenDisplay always fails if I specify a display with a
Steve> symbolic hostname:

Steve> 	export DISPLAY; DISPLAY=foo:0.0; xemacs or xemacs -display
Steve> foo:0.0

Steve> will both fail with the following error: (which via source
Steve> inspection indicates that XtOpenDisplay is returning 0):

[....]


I have the same problem when connecting to my RS/6000 at work and also
had the same problem under Sun-OS at university.  In both cases
setting DISPLAY to the fully qualified hostname does solve it.  I.e. I
set DISPLAY to dwarf.bb.bawue.de:0.0 instead of setting it to
dwarf:0.0


Have a nice day,
Michael

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In article <4reipr$2cj@swifty.cfa.org>,
Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
|Hi,
|	Help me please to get some concepts clear.
|
|	In 19.13 one could use distinctive references
|	to "BackSpace" and "Delete" keys, remapping
|	those as one saw fit.
|
|	In 19.14 it appears to me, that "BackSpace"
|	is hardcoded (or otherwise tangled) to
|	"Delete", so that somewhere deep in
|	the guts of XEmacs it translates
|	both to "DEL"...

Nothing of this sort is the case.  19.14 has the addition of
`key-translation-map' and delbackspace was rewritten to use this.
If your .emacs does weird things with simultaneously loading
delbackspace and binding delete and backspace, then things that
worked in 19.13 may not in 19.14.  The solution here is just to
let delbackspace to its job unhindered.

The trickiness of delete and backspace (and this has not changed
between 19.13 and 19.14) is that a great number of modes bind
`delete' to some local binding, usually `backward-delete-char-untabify',
so attempts to globally bind `delete' won't work too well.  That's
why the weird binding in key-translation-map is done.

ben
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In article <kigk9wku915.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
|James Buster (bitbug@seal.engr.sgi.com) wrote:
|> One major change that wasn't mentioned is that keyboard-translate-table
|> is now readonly, and you have to use the new function (keyboard-translate)
|> instead. This was most annoying to track down (when my .emacs stopped
|> working). Is (keyboard-translate) in FSF Emacs, or do I have to test the
|> value of (emacs-version)?
|
|keyboard-translate was there in GNU Emacs all along, and some of us
|were annoyed for not having it in XEmacs. :-)
|
|However, the implementation is completely different (string
|vs. hash-table), so if you wish to write portable elisp, just use
|keyboard-translate in both Emacsen. However, since
|keyboard-translate-table is now readonly, I do not understand how to
|delete an entry from it portably, other than assigning it to itself?

Well, there's no way to do it portably, but this is not the fault
of XEmacs, since `keyboard-translate' provides no portable way of
deleting entries. (The best you can do is assign an entry to itself --
for FSF Emacs, this is the only way to delete an entry, since it uses
a vector [yuck].) In XEmacs, use `remhash' to remove entries from the
hashtable.

ben
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With W3 one can send mails in html format. If i read this mails with VM i only
get the source file. Is there a way to automatically show this mails formatted
( with W3)?



Markus

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Subject: [Q] Func-Menu (Ver 2.43) vs. perl5...
X-Face: "1qJf"LysT#xLa=~giYhF>sci:y$xiN`)FlEd7nf4Al;@ARuU|1|n_F!cXszC^^T;Q&42s}/5Q)5g0$0D'Y6.[]h]:SzlbMWu_?<'*suHpRzOGp&1VHvV~5CDMX}eRc)z3zw,XIPgG@Q*W)oG(/>;YU


I see that Func-menu that comes with XEmacs 19.14 doesn't know how to
deal with perl5 functions that have a double ':' in their name.

e.g.:  

    package ParseLog;

    sub main::parse_log {
    ...
    }

On the func-menu, will show only the word 'main'

Any comments or fixes?

TIA.
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:15:43 -0700
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David Morton wrote:
> (global-set-key 'up 'previous-line)
> (put 'up 'dos-edit 'do-mark)
> 
> I thought maybe this is what assigned the shift behavior,
> but shift up does not select text.  I also tried this for down
> and next-line, but no change.

Thats what it should do. So far it worked me and some others. In my
.emacs the keybindings are first and the dosedit.el is loaded after that.
When starting XEmacs you should get a message 

"dos-edit is on, use m-x dos-edit to turn it off."

in your minibuffer. Try 'M-x view-lossage' to see what happend at
startup. Furthermore you can see if 'M-x dos-edit' does anything. If not
then dosedit.el is not loaded properly (wrong path, etc.).

Here is a short description of what is going on in dosedit.el:

To have 'shift available as mark-command all movement-keys need to be 
'visible' to dos-edit (you don't want to mark on 'shift-a). Therefore
you need to assign a new property 'dos-edit with value 'do-mark to all
these keys you want to support (see Help on 'put for details). In 
dos-edit-pre-hook it is checked if the current key belongs to this group
and, if neccessary, a 'set-mark-command ('Ctrl-space) is done. Once you
have a region selected and continue moving around _without_ 'shift the
selection is discarded again. So you need to press 'shift the whole time
(just like on a PC).

Let me know if this helps you in any way.
Thomas

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While I was compiling XEmacs 19.14 on my Linux 2.0.0 AMD DX4/120 with 28Mb RAM, gcc 2.7.2 (the
no-strength-reduce bugfix binary from sunsite), libc 5.3.12 (with the newer malloc, not the orig
gnu one), the make kept stopping with a register dump and a 'general protection' error, saying
something about kernel can't dereference a null pointer.  I'd type make again, and it would start
up where it left off, then keep going like nothing was wrong.  It eventually, after sometimes
being restarted several times, created a temacs, and dumped XEmacs, which runs, but crashes
unexpectedly every time I start View Mail.

 I just installed a 16Mb non parity SIMM a few days ago.  The BIOS setup option to disable parity
checking is set. It POSTs fine -- the memory test runs through it thrice.  And I've added a lilo
commandline for bootup --- "mem=28M", thinking that not having that in there may have been the
problem. (a variable not initialized properly without it?)

 I had built the similar XEmacs prior to the RAM purchase, and it compiled without even a warning;
(I wanted to recompile with png support, which configure didn't find the first time, due to errors
returned - unreferenced symbols that turn out to be in libz.so, so png does work if you specify it
on the config line.).  That binary was stable, it ran fine, and never crashed.  Now every XEmacs I
build segmentation faults when I run View Mail, I think it's when it tries to create the Toolbar
for it.

 I have tried several configurations; with union type, with system malloc, with both and with just
one or the other, and without either option. Is there suddenly something wrong with my system now
that I have added RAM???

 Does anyone know what to make of this???

-------- This is what I see in xconsole when cpp segv's:

 Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual
address c0000000
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 009ee000, 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: *pde = 00102067
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: *pte = 00000027
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Oops: 0000
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: CPU:    0
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: EIP:    0010:[<00117aa0>]
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: EFLAGS: 00010206
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: eax: 000000a4   ebx: 00449118   ecx: 001f2d44   edx: 007a9598
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: esi: 00047000   edi: 009ee080   ebp: 00046000   esp: 0052de80
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Process cpp (pid: 14639, process nr: 43, stackpage=0052d000)
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Stack: 00021000 017f2d18 017f2d18 08046000 0044911c 00067000
00021000 00067000 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel:        08067000 009ee080 0011997f 007a9598 08046000 00021000
08067000 08067000 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel:        08046000 08046000 017f2098 017f2d18 017f2dec 00000002
0052deec 0052def0 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Call Trace: [<0011997f>] [<0011c05a>] [<00122f92>]
[<0011c05a>] [<0011c05a>] [<00118ac7>] [<0010f79f>] 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel:        [<00118e18>] [<0010a3f2>] 
Jul  7 19:46:28 cherryflower kernel: Code: 8b 5c 24 10 8b 03 c7 03 00 00 00 00 85 c0 74 59 a8 01
74 4c 

-------- And another time...
20:04:10 cherryflower kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully unregistered
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address
ca0a0a0e
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 01b93000, 
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: *pde = 00000000
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Oops: 0000
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: CPU:    0
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: EIP:    0010:[<00117aa4>]
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: EFLAGS: 00010206
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: eax: 00000000   ebx: 0a0a0a0e   ecx: 001fb9a0   edx: 007a9898
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: esi: 00048000   edi: 01b93080   ebp: 00046000   esp: 00021000
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Process cpp (pid: 18356, process nr: 43, stackpage=01456000)
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Stack: 
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Call Trace: 
Jul  7 20:40:50 cherryflower kernel: Code: 8b 03 c7 03 00 00 00 00 85 c0 74 59 a8 01 74 4c 89 c1
81 e1 

----- Here's where XEmacs segv's, seems to be only when I start VM. (--with-union-type
--with-system-malloc --with-png --with-sound=native)  {sound and png can be eliminated, they both
work and do not crash XEmacs.}
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/local/bin/xemacs

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
RootGeometryManager (gw=0x8538370, request=0xbfffe164, reply=0xbfffe0e8)
    at /usr/local/xemacs-19.14/src/EmacsShell-sub.c:273
273       for (gcer = (GenericClassExtRec *) swc->shell_class.extension;

---- and another run, another compilation: (--with-union-type --with-png --with-sound=native)
----      again, crashes when VM is started.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/local/bin/xemacs

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
SuperClassRootGeometryManager (gw=0x8514800, request=0xbfffe334,
    reply=0xbfffe2b8) at /usr/local/xemacs-19.14/src/EmacsShell-sub.c:273
273       for (gcer = (GenericClassExtRec *) swc->shell_class.extension;
(gdb) 
-----------------

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From: Michael Green <mgreen@qualcomm.com>
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Subject: Problems w/t XEmacs-19.14 font-lock & comp. mode line position
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Hi,
I've started to use the XEmacs 19.14 precompiled solaris 2.4 version and have hit upon
the following problems:

1. I use the following code to gray-out comments beginning with "//##".
This worked fine with 19.13, but doesn't work with 19.14

(setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
(setq-default font-lock-use-fonts nil)
(setq-default font-lock-use-colors t)
(setq-default font-lock-use-maximal-decoration t)
(setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
(setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
(require 'font-lock)
(copy-face 'font-lock-comment-face 'font-lock-rose-face)
(set-face-font 'font-lock-rose-face "-*-clean-bold-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-*-*")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-rose-face "gray80")
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords
      (cons '("//##.*$" 0 font-lock-rose-face t) c++-font-lock-keywords))

2. Selecting an error in Compilation Mode with the middle mouse button, or alternately
keying c-x ' doesn't position the cursor on the correct error line in the appropriate
file.

Any ideas ?

Thanks,

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From: kenb@dadd.ti.com (Ken Butler)
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Subject: Meta key for xemacs -nw inside xterm with 19.14
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I use XEmacs from home without X windows support (because it's faster).
I have the Solaris precompiled binaries for 19.14 that I just installed
(running on an UltraSPARC I).  The 19.13 precompiled binaries supported
the Meta key within my xterm, but the 19.14 binaries do not.  The
problem also exists for xterms running on the UltraSPARC itself.

I've wandered through the documentation and found mention of of the
variable meta-flag, but setting that didn't help.

Any ideas on how I can activate the Meta key for 19.14 inside an xterm?

Thanks.

Ken
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amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (Allen M. Cohen) writes:

> Frederic Abiven (abiven@simulog.fr) wrote:
> : Yes and no, I set in my .emacs (or defaults.el) :
> 
> : (setq minibuffer-smart-completion-tracking-behavior t)
> : (fset 'minibuffer-mouse-tracker 'minibuffer-smart-mouse-tracker)
> I put the above 2 lines in my .emacs file, but it did not work:
> When I put the mouse over a file (after being in open-file mode), 
> the file gets highlighted, but when I do do MB2, I get:
> Wrong type argument stringp, (126 47 99 104 107 105 110 117 116 47 . "file").

there appears to be a bug in file prim/minibuf.el function
minibuffer-smart-select-kludge-filename. If you replace the line:

    (let ((kludge-string (append (buffer-string) string)))

by:

    (let ((kludge-string (concat (buffer-string) string)))

you get better results.

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Experts,

I'm trying to enable an X-face on an outgoing e-mail using VM.
What's the procedure to include a face in e-mail.
I can't seem to find this.

Tia
Fred


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I've found that disabling lazy font lock mode speeds up the cursor dramatically.
It must be checking on each keystroke to determine if a new line has become
visible that it needs to fontify.

-- 
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From: Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr>
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Subject: VM buffer & cycle buffer: bug?
Date: 08 Jul 1996 18:37:31 +0200
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	Hi,
	The new XEmacs-19.14 has the buffer name (on the mode-line) in
blue and when one click the middle on it, the buffer is cycle. However
the above does not applies to the VM buffer. Why this buffer is so
special. Is this a bug? The cycle-buffer facility is interesting if
one can cycle the whole cycle back to the initial buffer. As it
stands, one will be stuck with the VM buffer (is it exists).
	Another thing strange with the VM buffer is that after qutting
VM and if there are no other frame around, the VM tool-bar (on the
left) won't go away. So if you are editing a c program (for ex.), you
always have a tool-bar occupying the screen space without any purpose.
By the way, how can I turn off the VM tool bar, the option menu can be
used to turn off/on the general purpose tool-bar, not the one created
by VM.

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>>>>> "ckd" == Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

RP> "Proper configuration" in this regard is as simple changing the
RP> hostname to the fully qualified hostname.

ckd> I said "gethostname() and the gethostby* routines."
ckd>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ckd> Admittedly, if you put the FQDNs first in /etc/hosts (or the source
ckd> for the NIS hosts map) then gethostbyaddr() will return FQDNs,

Which I assume is part of changing the hostname.  Perhaps too much of an
assumption on my part?

ckd> but in general, using the DNS as the One True Host Name System is a
ckd> better idea (and as I said before, using FQDNs as the True Host
ckd> Names).

DNS is not always an option, and perhaps not desired in some installs.
But generally a good version of BIND is a Good Thing.

ckd> The mishandling of hostnames is probably the biggest PITA in SunOS
ckd> 4.x.

And 3.x and 5.x and....

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no>
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Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
Date: 08 Jul 1996 18:48:10 +0200
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>>>>> Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>:

> In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view
> mode is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an
> image, but it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I
> have to click again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to
> the message etc.

> So, my question is:

> is it possible to configure TM *not* to enter MIME-viewer mode when
> the Content-Type line matches the following:

> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I'm unsure of what you mean here.  When I was using tm with VM, way
back last summer, you had to explicitly start the MIME viewing with a
command.  That didn't let me easily display, or reply to messages that
used Q-P, so I switched to mh-e with tm.

It would help, if you gave the version numbers of emacs, VM, and tm.

- Steinar

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B.G. Mahesh (mahesh@jaguNET.com) wrote:
: I have installed xemacs-19.14 on SunOS 4.1.3 and
: it crashes as soon as I execute it :-(
It works fine on that OS for me -- I built from scratch with gcc 2.7.2
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From: Bo Johansson <bo.johansson@mbox2.swipnet.se>
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Subject: Re: Linux 2.0.2 and XEmacs 19.14 - will not compile!  2.0.0 OK
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>>>>> "zinc" == zinc  <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
    zinc> untarred and creating a sym link called Linux to either one.  there's
    zinc> no doubt that something is wrong with 2.0.2 and XEmacs.

If you just have to compile it under 2.0.2 :), then add 
-D__FDSET_INTS=__FDSET_LONGS to your CFLAGS .

Bosse

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I've got it working on NTEmacs, with the provision that the
/var/spool/mail directory is NFS mounted on my machine. I'm on a
business trip right now, but if you want details, I can get them to
you. I have the report mail package compiled on my NTEmacs.

Chris

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Subject: General Protection, 28Mb RAM, GCC 2.7.2-nosrbug, XEmacs19.14
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 I've discovered the problem and installed a bugfix!  Apparently there
is some sort of error in the memory management code of Linux 2.0.0
that causes this to happen.  I found one other posting on USENET
asking about GCC stopping with signal 11, segmentation fault.

 There are 3 patches as of today, on
"ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/kernel/src/v2.0/"

 This fixes the CPP general protection faulting thing, :) and makes it
so the XEmacs I'd compiled will run, :) View Mail and all, but I'm
having trouble with module stuff, some maybe relate to the things
changed by the patches. (?)  Netscape will not run now; module
binfmt-20 can't be located.  I am probably just misconfigured.  And
the sound driver directory has lots of .orig files in it, and will not
compile, it's missing a directory and some files I think.  (lowlevel.o
and ???) I can insmod -f sound, from the 2.0.0 modules to get that,
but insmod the binfmt_aout, which I think is the one Netscrape needs,
doesn't fix it; it segfaults. :(

 I also noticed that the 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 patches fail to update
<linux/version.h>, and I wonder why?

>>>>> "Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

    Karl> While I was compiling XEmacs 19.14 on my Linux 2.0.0 AMD
    Karl> DX4/120 with 28Mb RAM, gcc 2.7.2 (the no-strength-reduce
    Karl> bugfix binary from sunsite), libc 5.3.12 (with the newer
    Karl> malloc, not the orig gnu one), the make kept stopping with a
    Karl> register dump and a 'general protection' error, saying
    Karl> something about kernel can't dereference a null pointer.
    Karl> I'd type make again, and it would start up where it left
    Karl> off, then keep going like nothing was wrong.  It eventually,
    Karl> after sometimes being restarted several times, created a
    Karl> temacs, and dumped XEmacs, which runs, but crashes
    Karl> unexpectedly every time I start View Mail.

    Karl>  I just installed a 16Mb non parity SIMM a few days ago.
    Karl> The BIOS setup option to disable parity checking is set. It
    Karl> POSTs fine -- the memory test runs through it thrice.  And
    Karl> I've added a lilo commandline for bootup --- "mem=28M",
    Karl> thinking that not having that in there may have been the
    Karl> problem. (a variable not initialized properly without it?)

    Karl>  I had built the similar XEmacs prior to the RAM purchase,
    Karl> and it compiled without even a warning; (I wanted to
    Karl> recompile with png support, which configure didn't find the
    Karl> first time, due to errors returned - unreferenced symbols
    Karl> that turn out to be in libz.so, so png does work if you
    Karl> specify it on the config line.).  That binary was stable, it
    Karl> ran fine, and never crashed.  Now every XEmacs I build
    Karl> segmentation faults when I run View Mail, I think it's when
    Karl> it tries to create the Toolbar for it.

    Karl>  I have tried several configurations; with union type, with
    Karl> system malloc, with both and with just one or the other, and
    Karl> without either option. Is there suddenly something wrong
    Karl> with my system now that I have added RAM???

    Karl>  Does anyone know what to make of this???

Karl M. Hegbloom
<karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
Proudly running Linux 2.0.0 and GNU public software!

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I am using xemacs on a Silicon Graphics Indigo 2.

> uname -a
IRIX64 rsgi1 6.0.1 12130108 IP26 mips

xemacs crashes on me on a regular basis with SIGSEV.  It seems to do
better when my boss is not here (don't we all!), ie when he is not
using the Indigo 2!  Dispite the frequency of the crashes (every other
day or so) I can not correlate the crashes with any of _my_ actions.
This leads me to believe there could be a problem with memory
allocation or something.  It is possible that the system I am using
runs out of memory, though I have not see this reported explicitly by
any software yet.  I will include the stack trace from the "dbx".
I hope this helps.  Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Current directory is /home/matthew/bin/mips-sgi-irix5.3/
dbx version 6.0.1 Dec  6 1994 06:10:05
Core from signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation violation
(/usr/bin/dbx) where
>  0 _kill(0xb8e, 0xb, 0x0, 0x0) ["kill.s":15, 0xfadd6a4]
   1 fatal_error_signal(0xb, 0xb, 0x0, 0x0) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/emacs.c":170, 0x4bc980]
   2 _sigtramp(0xb8e, 0xb, 0x7ffcc5e8, 0x0) ["sigtramp.s":59, 0xfad090c]
   3 _free_internal(0x101bf000, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/gmalloc.c":806, 0x57597c]
   4 free(0x101bf000, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/gmalloc.c":953, 0x575f18]
   5 XFreeFont(0x101b3000, 0x101bb580, 0x598408, 0xc) ["Font.c":79, 0xf775a34]
   6 FreeFontStruct(0x101bf000, 0x7ffcca60, 0x0, 0xc) ["Converters.c":1196, 0xf55a8a0]
   7 FreeCacheRec(0x101bf000, 0x101b43dc, 0xe7, 0xc) ["Convert.c":490, 0xf558f94]
   8 _XtCacheFlushTag(0x100fec00, 0x10155e6c, 0xe7, 0xc) ["Convert.c":532, 0xf559174]
   9 CloseDisplay(0x101b3000, 0x10155e6c, 0xe7, 0xc) ["Display.c":652, 0xf55c960]
   10 XtCloseDisplay(0x101b3000, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["Display.c":695, 0xf55cbfc]
   11 x_delete_device(0x10187b00, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/device-x.c":407, 0x454f54]
   12 Fdelete_device(0x10187b00, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/device.c":590, 0x452bec]
More (n if no)?y
   13 shut_down_emacs(0x201f95bc, 0x0, 0x101f95bc, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/emacs.c":1395, 0x4beed8]
   14 fatal_error_signal(0xa, 0x104de000, 0xe7, 0xc) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/emacs.c":164, 0x4bc94c]
   15 _sigtramp(0x101bf000, 0x104de000, 0x7ffccc20, 0xc) ["sigtramp.s":59, 0xfad090c]
   16 malloc(0x10000, 0x4ebb58, 0x4ebb58, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/gmalloc.c":694, 0x575714]
   17 xrealloc(0xffffbd58, 0x10000, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/alloc.c":320, 0x4f46fc]
   18 Lstream_read_more(0xffffbd58, 0x6e0a2020, 0x10000, 0x103ed980) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/lstream.c":385, 0x491450]
   19 Lstream_read(0x103ed980, 0x7ffd1130, 0xc1bb, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/lstream.c":431, 0x491624]
   20 Finsert_file_contents_internal(0xffffbd58, 0x6e0a2020, 0x1, 0xc1bb) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/fileio.c":2938, 0x4e22c4]
   21 funcall_subr(0xffffbd58, 0x7fff12f4, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2700, 0x50e7bc]
   22 Ffuncall(0x5, 0x7fff12f0, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2559, 0x50e20c]
   23 Fbyte_code(0x30041f74, 0x40041f8c, 0x5, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
More (n if no)?y
   24 funcall_lambda(0x10041fa8, 0x2, 0x7fff14e4, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   25 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7fff14e0, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   26 Fbyte_code(0x30132b70, 0x402b3900, 0x2, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   27 funcall_lambda(0x10204c10, 0x2, 0x7fff16dc, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   28 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7fff16d8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   29 Fbyte_code(0x30132eb8, 0x402b3080, 0x2, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   30 funcall_lambda(0x10204bd8, 0x1, 0x7fff18cc, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   31 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7fff18c8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   32 Fbyte_code(0x30352dd4, 0x40201200, 0x1, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   33 funcall_lambda(0x10204b84, 0x5, 0x7fff1abc, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   34 Ffuncall(0x5, 0x7fff1ab8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
More (n if no)?y
   35 Fbyte_code(0x302a7b34, 0x402b3a00, 0x5, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   36 funcall_lambda(0x10204b68, 0x4, 0x7fff1cb4, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   37 Ffuncall(0x4, 0x7fff1cb0, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   38 Fbyte_code(0x303bad08, 0x402b3980, 0x4, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   39 funcall_lambda(0x10204c64, 0x3, 0x7fff1e00, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   40 apply_lambda(0x10204c64, 0x3, 0x100de004, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2757, 0x50ebb8]
   41 Feval(0x20323984, 0x6e0a2020, 0x1007cd20, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2419, 0x50db98]
   42 funcall_subr(0xffffbd58, 0x7fff20ec, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2692, 0x50e730]
   43 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7fff20e8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2559, 0x50e20c]
   44 Fbyte_code(0x303cab88, 0x4031af80, 0x1, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   45 funcall_lambda(0x1036f234, 0x1, 0x7fff22d4, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
More (n if no)?y
   46 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7fff22d0, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   47 Fbyte_code(0x303caed0, 0x402d8860, 0x1, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   48 funcall_lambda(0x1036f1fc, 0x2, 0x7fff25e0, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   49 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7fff25dc, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   50 Fapply(0x3, 0x7fff25dc, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2622, 0x50e4c0]
   51 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7fff25d8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2543, 0x50e0bc]
   52 Fbyte_code(0x30073c50, 0x40073ca8, 0x3, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   53 funcall_lambda(0x10073cdc, 0x3, 0x7fff27cc, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
   54 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7fff27c8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   55 Fbyte_code(0x30073d80, 0x40073eac, 0x3, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/bytecode.c":407, 0x534174]
   56 funcall_lambda(0x10074010, 0x1, 0x7fff29cc, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2830, 0x50f09c]
More (n if no)?y
   57 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7fff29c8, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2562, 0x50e250]
   58 Fcall_interactively(0x1016f3c4, 0x100de004, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/callint.c":737, 0x507e3c]
   59 Fcommand_execute(0x1016f3c4, 0x100de004, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":2016, 0x50c964]
   60 execute_command_event(0x100fad40, 0x1043870c, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/event-stream.c":2943, 0x48ebd0]
   61 Fdispatch_event(0x1043870c, 0x10187b00, 0x1043870c, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/event-stream.c":3206, 0x48f4c8]
   62 Fcommand_loop_1(0xffffbd58, 0x6e0a2020, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/keyboard.c":527, 0x4c0510]
   63 command_loop_1(0x100de004, 0x6e0a2020, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/keyboard.c":442, 0x4c01f0]
   64 condition_case_1(0x100de064, 0x4c01c4, 0x100de004, 0x4bf8f4) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":1499, 0x50b590]
   65 command_loop_2(0x100de004, 0x6e0a2020, 0x100de004, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/keyboard.c":223, 0x4bfac8]
   66 internal_catch(0x100f0d5c, 0x4bfa70, 0x100de004, 0x0) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/eval.c":1250, 0x50afa0]
   67 initial_command_loop(0xffffbd58, 0x6e0a2020, 0xfffffa72, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/keyboard.c":263, 0x4bfd8c]
More (n if no)?y
   68 main_1(0x5, 0x7fff2f14, 0x7fff2f2c, 0xffffbc98) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/emacs.c":1196, 0x4be7bc]
   69 main(0xffffbd58, 0x7fff2f14, 0x7fff2f2c, 0x5) ["/usr/dcs/src/pub/supported/xemacs-19.13/src/emacs.c":1298, 0x4bec28]
   70 __start() ["crt1text.s":108, 0x45152c]
(/usr/bin/dbx)


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From: ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
Date: 8 Jul 1996 19:47:31 GMT
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On 08 Jul 1996 18:48:10 +0200, Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>:
>
>> In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view
>> mode is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an
>> image, but it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I
>> have to click again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to
>> the message etc.
>
>> So, my question is:
>
>> is it possible to configure TM *not* to enter MIME-viewer mode when
>> the Content-Type line matches the following:
>
>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>I'm unsure of what you mean here.  When I was using tm with VM, way
>back last summer, you had to explicitly start the MIME viewing with a
>command.  That didn't let me easily display, or reply to messages that
>used Q-P, so I switched to mh-e with tm.

  I'm using VM and TM and it does automatically go into mime viewing
for any MIME message, including TEXT/PLAIN.  I'd like to change that
too.  Though I'm hoping the TM that comes with XEmacs 19.15 will just
enable VM keys in the preview mode.  (Not saying anyone's promised
that or anything, I'm just hoping)

>It would help, if you gave the version numbers of emacs, VM, and tm.

I'm using XEmacs 19.14, whatever version of VM that comes with, and:

        * tl: Version 7.30 was released.
        * MEL: Version 5.5 was released.
        * tm: Version 7.68 was released.

	Joe


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Is there any way to convert old RMAIL files into VM files?  I can read
the RMAIL file using the find-file command just fine, except when I go
to the message that was appended to the old RMAIL file using VM, I get
this garbage that looks somewhat like this:

> X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
> 	["267" "Mon" "8" "July" "1996" "14:41:43" "-0500" "joeblo" "jblo" "<9607081941.AA07047@systemname>" "10" "some docs" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil]
> 	nil)
> Reply-To: joe.blo@company.com
> ...

I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on a SunOS 4.1.4 Sparcstation 10 system.

Thanks,
Brent


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func-menu is really slow, but on the other hand it is a cool
feature. Does anyone know what makes it so slow and if there
is any way to make things faster? I didn't have time yet to look
at the source, but it looks like it spends time trying to figure
out the current function scope (which can change with every
vertical cursor movement). If so, there can be many ways to work it
out . . .

David Wojtowicz wrote:
> 
> Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:
> > P.S.  I also see slowness when typing (xemacs doesn't display char's
> > as fast as I can type, I have to sit back for a few seconds to let the
> > display catch up), but I haven't been able to figure out how to
> > reproduce it (yet).
> >
> 
> I was seeing this alot to the point that it was unusable.
> When I turned everything off in my .emacs file it went away.
> I then started to slow reenabling features in my .emacs
> file until it started happening again and I narrowed down
> the problem in my case to func-menu.   Turn off func-menu
> and it goes away.
>

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Does anybody know how to make VM use popmail to fetch incoming mail?
I've searched the FAQ's and cannot seem to locate any information,
but it appears looking at the VM lisp files that it is supported.
Any help is appreciated.

Scott Brasington.    email: scottb@cisco.com

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From: Saffiotti Alessandro <asaffio@ulb.ac.be>
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Subject: TEST (please ignore)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 23:55:38 +0200
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Sorry, I need a test...
A. Saffiotti

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Showing html mails automatically with VM ?
Date: 08 Jul 1996 16:28:28 -0600
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The w3 function you need is w3-preview-this-buffer. How do you intend to
figure out when the message is HTML? I don't use VM, but I'm sure there is
enough hooks to allow you to check for HTML and call the w3 function.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: GNUS to read mail- Addressbook functionality?
Date: 08 Jul 1996 16:20:33 -0600
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In article <x74tnl9pke.fsf_-_@netcom.com> bmi@netcom.com writes:

> was wondering if GNUS has anything like the Addressbook

Sure. Just add to ~/.emacs
  (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-aliases-setup)
  (add-hook 'news-reply-mode-hook 'mail-aliases-setup)
and put your aliases in ~/.mailrc in the following format
  alias john "john@foo.bar.com (John Doe)"
  alias group "john, mary"
  alias largerGroup "group, jim"
These aliases will be expanded every time when you type them in a To/CC
header. 

You may also want to place a bookmark on that file for easy editing:
  (set-register ?m '(file . "~/.mailrc"))
then C-x j m will take you there

And finally, this will make sure your aliases are alwaays up to date:
(add-hook 'after-save-hook 
  (defun my-after-save-hook ()
    (if (string= buffer-file-name (expand-file-name "~/.mailrc"))
        (build-mail-aliases))))

(if you use FSF Emacs, replace "abbrevs" for "aliases" everywhere above)

If you want more sophisticated address book management (eg automatic
grabbing from mail/news), use the BBDB package.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Converting RMAIL mailbox files into VM
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In article <h3aohlq5x36.fsf@amd.com> Brent Goodrick <brent.goodrick@amd.com> writes:

> Is there any way to convert old RMAIL files into VM files?
"VM files" are standard Unix mailbox format; RMAIL files use the Babyl
format. You can use the unrmail command from emacs, or the b2m ("babyl to
mail") standalone program.

> message that was appended to the old RMAIL file using VM
It's not advisable to append VM messages to babyl files, since VM doesn't
know about babyl (IMHO).

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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Subject: rmime vs. tm
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It seems everyone is moving toward tm for MIME, but rmime seems like
a nice simple alternative.

Any comments on the relative merits, keeping in mind that I use VM for
mail and Gnus 5.2 for news?

If I do decide to try out rmime, how do I use it with Gnus 5.2?

Thanks in advance,

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+


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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: Going very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy
Date: 08 Jul 1996 15:36:08 -0700
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	<wjypw6dgv8q.fsf@cssun3.corp.mot.com> <4rjgj8$qgk@cocoa.brown.edu>
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I wrote:

>      I'm guessing that the key is *multiple*, uniconized frames.  If you
> have only one frame (or few frames) the slow cursor problem doesn't seem
> to appear.  Turning on line-number-mode or display-column-mode makes the
> problem worse.

[ This won't help with the slowness, but this will, under HP-UX, get rid
  of the annoying cursor that keeps on moving after you release the
  arrow key. ]

     Under HP-UX, I discovered that SIGIO-driven input wasn't working
properly (it wasn't working at all).  Once I bashed XEmacs into
submission, the annoying moving-cursor-after-key-release problem went
away.  The slowness is still there, and the cursor display is a bit
jerkier than before, but at least the cursor stops moving after
releasing the key.

     Patches are at the end of this posting.

[ Side note: I tried profiling XEmacs 19.14, and, assuming that I've
  interpreted the data correctly, it seems to be spending a lot of time
  in add_emchar_rune()/ensure_face_cachel_contains_charset().  I've got
  no idea what to do about this, though. ]

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

===============================================================================
*** /tmp/T0a17468	Mon Jul  8 15:03:08 1996
--- xemacs-19.14/src/sysdep.c	Mon Jul  8 14:53:31 1996
***************
*** 929,936 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
- 	/* Process group for socket should be -pid for delivery to self. */
- 	owner = -owner;
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCGPGRP,
  			      &DEVICE_OLD_FCNTL_OWNER (d));
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &owner);
--- 929,934 ----
***************
*** 965,972 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
- 	/* Process group for socket should be -pid for delivery to self. */
- 	owner = -owner;
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP,
  			      &DEVICE_OLD_FCNTL_OWNER (d));
        }
--- 963,968 ----
***************
*** 999,1005 ****
  	 use the following crud to do the appropriate thing. */
      int on = 1;
      int ioctl_status;		/* ####DG: check if IOCTL succeeds here. */
-     int socket_pgroup = -getpid ();
  
      if (DEVICE_TTY_P (d))
        {
--- 995,1000 ----
***************
*** 1009,1015 ****
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, FIOASYNC, &on);
- 	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &socket_pgroup);
        }
  #endif
    }
--- 1004,1009 ----
***************
*** 1049,1055 ****
  	 use the following crud to do the appropriate thing. */
  
      int off = 0;
-     int socket_pgroup = 0;
      int ioctl_status;
  
      /* See comment for request_sigio_on_device */
--- 1043,1048 ----
***************
*** 1061,1067 ****
      else 
        {
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, FIOASYNC, &off);
- 	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &socket_pgroup);
        }
    }
  #elif defined (FIOASYNC)
--- 1054,1059 ----

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From: Juan Villacis <jvillaci@peaks.extreme.indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: menubar
Date: 08 Jul 1996 17:30:48 -0600
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Jeff McElroy <j_m@nfuel.com> writes:
> After switching to 19.14 and attempting to load my .emacs file which
> loads a personalized menubar by: (load "my-menubar") I get the following 
> error:
>
> Attempt to modify read-only object 

Have you set your menubar in your .emacs file as follows:

  (set-menubar my-menubar) ; set the current menubar to be my-menubar

  (setq default-menubar my-menubar) ; set my-menubar as the "default" menubar

The latter is necessary so that packages (like w3) use your menubar
rather than the standard one when switching between buffers.

-juan

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From: Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de>
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Hi,

with this code

	(add-menu-item nil " X " '(kill-buffer nil) t)

I created a Button to kill the active buffer. The button is placed at
the right end of the normal Menu. Is there a way to place it at the left
hand side?

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha        ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

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Subject: Re: keyboard mapping?!
Date: 08 Jul 1996 20:18:16 -0400
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Ben, thanks for explaining, but let me disagree:

1. My .emacs does absolutely *nothing* with either
   Backspace or Delete, except for loading 
   "delbackspace" of course.

2. The only thing my ".xemacspfkeys" file did (this
   one was loaded by ".emacs" is:

   (global-set-key '[(Backspace)] delete-backward-char)
   (global-set-key '[(Delete)] delete-char)

   This hardly constitutes "doing your own weird things"?

3. This worked well with 19.13 and got broken in 19.14.

4. The reason it got broken, I think, is that unlike
   19.13, 19.14 mashed Backspace and Delete together.

5. The following sorta helps, and the inconveniences it
   introduces are much less than the major problem of
   having Backspace and Delete both being Delete:

   (keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
   (keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)

   and NO loading of "delbackspace"... Comments, please?



-- 
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Uri.
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<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
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Put this in your .vm or .emacs file

;; here's the magic for POP
;; the string should be in the format "popserver:port:authtype:user:pass"
;; here's mine -- just plug in your pop server, user name, and password
(setq vm-spool-files (list "popserver:110:pass:user:password"))



Scott Brasington writes:
 > Does anybody know how to make VM use popmail to fetch incoming mail?
 > I've searched the FAQ's and cannot seem to locate any information,
 > but it appears looking at the VM lisp files that it is supported.
 > Any help is appreciated.
 > 
 > Scott Brasington.    email: scottb@cisco.com


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From: Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov>
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Subject: Re: Ange-ftp fails to reopen connect
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Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> writes:

>  Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov> writes:
>  > I'm using XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3.  When I try to get a file >
> from a VAX running VMS using ange-ftp, I can initially read > and
> write without problems.  After a while, the FTP > connection times
> out, and the connection is closed.  After > this, if I try to save a
> file with C-x C-s or C-x s, no > errors are issued, but the file
> isn't saved.  Looking at the > *ftp user@node* buffer, a put is
> issued (which fails with No > connection) and no attempt is made to
> reopen the connection.
>
> > In 19.12, a second attempt at saving the file would cause the >
> connection to be reopened.  This no longer happens.
>  > Any ideas what's happening?
>  If you could post a copy of your *ftp user@host* buffer, we could
> make a guess at what is failing.
> --
> 						-- ange -- <><
>  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com

This is the *ftp user@host* buffer:

----BEGIN---- ftp> open cdfmt4 Connected to cdfmt4.fnal.gov.  220
CDFMT4.FNAL.GOV MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.4(14) at Mon 8-Jul-96
6:03PM-CDT user "tdaniels" Turtle Power!  Remote system type is VMS.
ftp> 331 User name (tdaniels) ok. Password, please.  230 User TDANIELS
logged into USR$DISK:[TDANIELS] at Mon 8-Jul-96 6:03PM-CDT, job
23600b87.  ftp> hash Hash mark printing on (1024 bytes/hash mark).
ftp> pwd 257 "USR$DISK:[TDANIELS]" is current directory.  ftp> dir
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC.CDFXXX.KUMAC] /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn 200 Port
51.81 at Host 131.225.103.129 accepted.  550 %RMS-E-DNF, directory not
found ftp> dir DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC.CDFXXX.KUMAC]
/tmp/ange-ftpa006kn 200 Port 51.82 at Host 131.225.103.129 accepted.
550 %RMS-E-DNF, directory not found ftp> dir
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC] /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn 200 Port 51.83 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 List started.

226 Transfer completed.  ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 200 Port 51.84 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 ASCII Store of
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC;238 started.

226 Transfer completed.  16761 (8) bytes transferred.  16761 bytes
sent in 0.01 seconds (1726.60 Kbytes/s) ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 200 Port 51.87 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 ASCII Store of
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC;239 started.

226 Transfer completed.  16766 (8) bytes transferred.  16766 bytes
sent in 0.01 seconds (1615.81 Kbytes/s) ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 200 Port 51.92 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 ASCII Store of
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC;240 started.

226 Transfer completed.  16775 (8) bytes transferred.  16775 bytes
sent in 0.01 seconds (1616.52 Kbytes/s) ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 200 Port 51.93 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 ASCII Store of
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC;241 started.

226 Transfer completed.  16793 (8) bytes transferred.  16793 bytes
sent in 0.01 seconds (1709.70 Kbytes/s) ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 200 Port 51.98 at Host
131.225.103.129 accepted.  150 ASCII Store of
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC;242 started.

226 Transfer completed.  16875 (8) bytes transferred.  16875 bytes
sent in 0.01 seconds (1822.15 Kbytes/s) ftp> put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 500 FTP connection terminated
after 300 seconds of idle time put /tmp/ange-ftpa006kn
DKA100:[TDANIELS.PAW.KUMAC]CDFXXX.KUMAC 421 Service not available,
remote server has closed connection ftp> Not connected.  ftp>
----END----


If I (setq debug-on-error t) and try to save it with C-x C-w, I get
this traceback:

----START TRACEBACK---- Signalling: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
  ange-ftp-real-file-symlink-p("/home/tdaniels/.netrc")
  ange-ftp-chase-symlinks("/home/tdaniels/.netrc")
  ange-ftp-parse-netrc() ange-ftp-get-passwd("fnald" "tdaniels")
  ange-ftp-get-process("fnald" "tdaniels") ange-ftp-host-type("fnald"
  "tdaniels") ange-ftp-expand-dir("fnald" "tdaniels" "~")
  ange-ftp-canonize-filename("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC")
  expand-file-name("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC")
  file-directory-p("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC") #<compiled-function (from
  "files.elc") (filename &optional confirm) "...(70)"
  [mouse-grabbed-buffer error "Can't write minibuffer window" filename
  "" file-directory-p buffer-file-name file-name-as-directory
  file-name-nondirectory confirm file-exists-p y-or-n-p format "File
  `%s' exists; overwrite? " "Canceled" set-visited-file-name
  set-buffer-modified-p t nil buffer-read-only save-buffer] 4 688526
  (list (if buffer-file-name ... ...) t)>("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC" t)
  call-interactively(write-file)
----END TRACEBACK----

The ftp buffer for that write:

---START FTP---- ftp> open fnald Connected to fnald.fnal.gov.  220
FNALH.FNAL.GOV MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.4(14) at Mon 8-Jul-96
8:11PM-CDT Remote system type is VMS.  ftp> user "tdaniels" Turtle
Power!  331 User name (tdaniels) ok. Password, please.  230 User
TDANIELS logged into USR$ROOT1:[TDANIELS] at Mon 8-Jul-96 8:11PM-CDT,
job 20812202.  ftp> hash Hash mark printing on (1024 bytes/hash mark).
ftp> pwd 257 "USR$ROOT1:[TDANIELS]" is current directory.  ftp> ---END
FTP---

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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
> In article <x74tnl9pke.fsf_-_@netcom.com> bmi@netcom.com writes:
> > was wondering if GNUS has anything like the Addressbook
> 
> Sure. Just add to ~/.emacs
>   (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-aliases-setup)
>   (add-hook 'news-reply-mode-hook 'mail-aliases-setup)

Since his X-Newsreader line claims he uses Gnus 5.2.25 with
XEmacs-19.14, these two lines are not necessary -- message mode uses
mail-abbrevs by default.

So, he can start using .mailrc right away, as explained below:

> and put your aliases in ~/.mailrc in the following format
>   alias john "john@foo.bar.com (John Doe)"
>   alias group "john, mary"
>   alias largerGroup "group, jim"
> These aliases will be expanded every time when you type them in a To/CC
> header. 

-- 
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XEmacs 19.14, SunOS 4.1.3, olwm.
Arrow key events seem to be asynchronous.
If one slews an arrow key, and then releases it, XEmacs takes several seconds
to catch up.  I have several users who like to scroll via up/down arrow keys
rather than prior/next keys.  Under XEmasc 19.11, arrow events were
synchronous.
The problem seems to be very pronounced under SunOS's olwm.
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I have split my Xemacs into many buffers. In each buffer, 
the modeline has a '0.12'. The numbers change, but there 
is always a number with one numeral before the decimal
place and two after it. What does this number mean?

If you reply, please email me a copy. 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
vivek@uiuc.edu			      
http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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In article <31E1CC69.732A@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>,
Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:
> is always a number with one numeral before the decimal
> place and two after it. What does this number mean?

The load average.

-Sudish

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John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

> It seems everyone is moving toward tm for MIME, but rmime seems like
> a nice simple alternative.
> 
> Any comments on the relative merits, keeping in mind that I use VM for
> mail and Gnus 5.2 for news?

I'm using RMIME instead of tm for the following reasons:

	* tm is _very poorly_ documented IMHO, so if it doesn't do
	  what you want right away, you _do_ have a problem :( It did
	  not do what I wanted it to (Causing all kinds of strange
	  behaviour when replying with insert). RMIME also caused some
	  trouble with this, but is much better commented. See below
	  for fix.

	* Also IMHO, tm is a real b****rd to install (correctly, that
	  is). With RMIME all the code is in one single file --
	  couldn't be much easier than that.

	* Just the idea of making a major mode for decoding MIME (Like
	  tm does) seems to me like the Wrong Thing to do. It all
	  becomes much more complicated than needed.

	* When it comes to actual merits of the two packages, I don't
	  really know much more than that they both handle
	  quoted-printable (which is the main reason why I need any
	  MIME support at all, coming from a country using 'strange
	  letters' :). Does anybody else have anything to say on this?

About the fix for replying with insert when using RMIME: I'm using VM
for reading mail, and I don't know if the problem exists for the other
packages RMIME supposedly supports. However, this is what I put in my
~/.vm :


;; Clear up the text properties RMIME sets while decoding before
;; sending a reply. If these text properties are not removed, the
;; 'rmime-annotate' in 'write-region-annotate-function' will mess up
;; the buffer when you send the message (thereby saving it).
(add-hook 'vm-reply-hook 
          (function (lambda nil (set-text-properties (point-min) (point-max) 
                                                     default-text-properties))))


A bug report has already been sent to the author of RMIME.

Cheers,
-- 
Harald Meland	    CERN | "Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind,
Home: 5-5-020	  summer | indistinctly.
Work: 13-2-013	 student | "Mind you, my first name is Bad."
Phone: (+41 22) 76 74717 |	-- (Terry Pratchett, Interesting Times)

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From: Harald Butenschoen <r02but@dirac.desy.de>
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Subject: XEmacs-19.14 AIX 3.2.5 : how to change x-emacs-application-class ?
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I did not succeed in building the AIX 3.2.5 executable (yes, I use xlc).
After the compilation the build process simply goes to sleep during

           ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

after loading several lisp stuff.

Therefore I ftp'ed the executables. The execution fails with:

 Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource

which is caused by a Emacs*geometry in the system resources: I cannot
convince my system administrator to remove it. Anyway, when I build XEmacs
myself, I have modified term/x-win.el (until 19.13):

          (setq x-emacs-application-class "XEmacs")

and all was o.k.
 
In 19.14 term/x-win.el no longer exists (C-h v  x-emacs-application-class
still refers to it). I found a new place for modifying the application-class
in term/x-init.el (no, I didn't forget to byte-compile). 
Unfortunately this change had no effect, since the new x-init didn't get
loaded: Is there a way to achieve that before X gets initialized?           
-- 
Regards,
Harald Butenschoen              Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron (ZDV-ASG)
phone: +49-40-8998-3639                                       Notkestr. 85
fax:   +49-40-8994-3639                                      22607 Hamburg
e-mail:<r02but@mail.desy.de>                                       Germany


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In article <31DF1A8E.1559DBDC@jinx.sckans.edu> David Morton <dmorton@jinx.sckans.edu> writes:

   One thing I haven't seen that I really like, is a
   behavior I saw on a VMS TPU variation, Polyedit.

   I could hold down shift and move the cursor to highlight
   text, then hit delete to do an emacs equiv of kill-region.

Well, with emacs you do C-SPC, move the cursor to the other end, then
type C-w. Pretty easy as well.

With mouse keys you click the left button on the start, the right
button twice on the end, and the area gets deleted.

Also pretty easy. Is it worth fiddling around to change these
behaviours?
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5559

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From: Harald Butenschoen <r02but@dirac.desy.de>
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XEmacs 19.14 has a very nice features which I appreciate very much: in the
2. and 3. field of the mode-line you may cycle forwards/backwards through
the buffers by pressing button2.

Unfortunately this does not work when I am in dired mode, so if you cycle
and hit a dired buffer, you are stuck. Are there any patches for dired
available? 

-- 
Regards,
Harald Butenschoen              Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron (ZDV-ASG)
phone: +49-40-8998-3639                                       Notkestr. 85
fax:   +49-40-8994-3639                                      22607 Hamburg
e-mail:<r02but@mail.desy.de>                                       Germany


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I try to subscribe to the oo-browser@hub.ucsb.edu mailing list thru
oo-browser-request@hub.ucsb.edu but it doesn't work.

So, i post it here:
I've just installed version 2.9.12 of OO-Browser and tried to create a C++
environment for my source tree. It starts correctly, but after a few processed
files, it stops with the following message:

Stack overflow in regexp matcher

The file when the error occur is small (15 Kb). However I have a big source
tree (25 Mb).

Help!


-- 
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Helen <helen@voland.cc.huji.ac.il> writes:

> Put several 'setenv' statements to your .cshrc file which define your proxy 
> server name and the port:
> 
> setenv gopher_proxy server_name:port
> setenv ftp_proxy server_name:port
> setenv wais_proxy server_name:port
> setenv http_proxy server_name:port
> setenv file_proxy server_name:port

Actually, there should be an "http://" before the server name. For example:

setenv http_proxy http://proxy-server.my.net:8080/

You can also tell W3 to use a proxy server by setting the variable 
url-proxy-services or url-using-proxy

-- 
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From: Glenn Proctor <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk>
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> >>>>> I <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view
> > mode is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an
> > image, but it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I
> > have to click again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to
> > the message etc.
> 
> > So, my question is:
> 
> > is it possible to configure TM *not* to enter MIME-viewer mode when
> > the Content-Type line matches the following:
> 
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:

> I'm unsure of what you mean here.  When I was using tm with VM, way
> back last summer, you had to explicitly start the MIME viewing with
> a command.  That didn't let me easily display, or reply to messages
> that used Q-P, so I switched to mh-e with tm.

Mime viewing is started for *any* message with a Content-type: header,
even if it's only text/plain, so I have to switch back to VM mode
before I can do anything. This is the behaviour I am seeking to
change.

> It would help, if you gave the version numbers of emacs, VM, and tm.

Sorry, I should have done this [blush]

XEmacs 19.14 (precompiled IRIX 5.3), VM 5.96 (beta), TM 7.54.

ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey) also wrote:

 >> I'm using VM and TM and it does automatically go into mime viewing
 >> for any MIME message, including TEXT/PLAIN.  I'd like to change
 >> that too.  Though I'm hoping the TM that comes with XEmacs 19.15
 >> will just enable VM keys in the preview mode.  (Not saying
 >> anyone's promised that or anything, I'm just hoping)

OK, so that's more than one of us that want the behaviour changed. :-)

Thanks

Glenn.

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Denheyer <briand@northwest.com> writes:
> 
> sb> It is not a good idea to strip a dumped XEmacs.  It is supposed to be
> sb> possible to strip temacs before creating a dumped XEmacs, but I've
> sb> never tried that.  Compiling without the -g flag, and linking
> sb> everything you can dynamically is the best solution.
> 
> Brian> Hmmm. I've been running a stripped 19.13 and everything is fine.
> Brian> Should I start to worry ?
> 
> No, not if you've got some stable history on it.  If the binary were
> acting flaky, crashing often, etc.  then it would be wise to rebuild
> it.
> -- 
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.
> Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone
> except you in November.

Just out of curiosity : why XEmacs is affected by stripping ? No other
applications (that I know) do not have any problem with that.
(I know that stripping xemacs is indeed not a good idea because I did it 
once and had to rebuild...)

Helen


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I have a Sparc 2 running SunOS 4.1.4. Does anyone know a site where 
I can get pre compiled binary of 19.14 with sound support.

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Harald Butenschoen (r02but@dirac.desy.de) wrote:
> Unfortunately this does not work when I am in dired mode, so if you cycle
> and hit a dired buffer, you are stuck. Are there any patches for dired
> available? 

This holds true for info and hyper help buffers too. :(

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It seems that TM is a nice package. Where can I find it?

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Subject: [Q] (key-mapping/warning) Alt_L (0x1a) generates both Mod2 and Mod3
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When I start up XEmacs-20.0-b26 I always get the following message
appearing in the "*Warnings*" buffer.

---- Start of included text -----------------------8<--- cut here -------------
(1) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Alt_L (0x1a) generates both Mod2 and Mod3, which is nonsensical.
---- End of included text -------------------------8<--- and here -------------

What does it mean!?

And how can I solve the problem?

Below is my ".Xmodmap" file.

Thanks, Jens


---- Start of included text -----------------------8<--- cut here -------------
keycode     8    	= SunStop
keycode     9 		= 
keycode    10    	= SunAgain
keycode    11 		= 
keycode    12    	= F1
keycode    13    	= F2
keycode    14    	= F10
keycode    15    	= F3
keycode    16    	= F11
keycode    17    	= F4
keycode    18    	= F12
keycode    19    	= F5	
keycode    20    	= Alt_R
keycode    21    	= F6	
keycode    22    	= 
keycode    23    	= F7 
keycode    24    	= F8
keycode    25    	= F9	
!keycode    26    	= Alt_L
keycode    27    	= Up 
keycode    28    	= Pause	
keycode    29    	= SunPrint_Screen
keycode    30    	= Scroll_Lock
keycode    31    	= Left
keycode    32    	= SunProps
keycode    33    	= SunUndo
keycode    34    	= Down
keycode    35    	= Right
keycode    36    	= Escape
keycode    37    	= 1		exclam
keycode    38    	= 2		at
keycode    39    	= 3		numbersign
keycode    40    	= 4 		dollar
keycode    41    	= 5 		percent
keycode    42		= 6 		asciicircum
keycode    43 		= 7 		ampersand
keycode    44 		= 8 		asterisk
keycode    45 		= 9 		parenleft
keycode    46 		= 0 		parenright
keycode    47 		= minus 	underscore
keycode    48 		= equal 	plus
keycode    49 		= grave 	asciitilde
keycode    50 		= Delete
keycode    51    	= Insert
keycode    52    	= 
keycode    53    	= KP_Divide
keycode    54    	= KP_Multiply
keycode    55		= 
keycode    56    	= SunFront
keycode    57    	= Delete 	KP_Decimal
keycode    58    	= SunCopy
keycode    59     	= Home
keycode    60    	= Tab
keycode    61 		= Q
keycode    62 		= W
keycode    63 		= E
keycode    64 		= R
keycode    65 		= T
keycode    66 		= Y
keycode    67 		= U
keycode    68 		= I
keycode    69 		= O
keycode    70 		= P
keycode    71 		= bracketleft 	braceleft
keycode    72 		= bracketright 	braceright
keycode    73 		= Delete
keycode    74 		= SunCompose
keycode    75		= Home 		KP_7 
keycode    76 		= Up 		KP_8 
keycode    77 		= Prior		KP_9 		
keycode    78 		= KP_Subtract 
keycode    79    	= SunOpen
keycode    80    	= SunPaste
keycode    81    	= End
keycode    83    	= Control_L
keycode    84 		= A
keycode    85 		= S
keycode    86 		= D
keycode    87 		= F
keycode    88 		= G
keycode    89 		= H
keycode    90 		= J
keycode    91 		= K
keycode    92 		= L
keycode    93 		= semicolon colon
keycode    94 		= apostrophe quotedbl
keycode    95 		= backslash bar
keycode    96 		= Return
keycode    97 		= KP_Enter KP_Enter
keycode    98 		= Left KP_4 
keycode    99 		= KP_5 KP_5 
keycode   100 		= Right KP_6 
keycode   101 		= Insert KP_0 
keycode   102    	= SunFind
keycode	  103           = Prior
keycode   104    	= SunCut
keycode   105    	= Num_Lock 	Num_Lock
keycode   106    	= Shift_L
keycode   107 		= Z
keycode   108 		= X
keycode   109 		= C
keycode   110 		= V
keycode   111 		= B
keycode   112 		= N
keycode   113 		= M
keycode   114 		= comma less
keycode   115 		= period greater
keycode   116 		= slash question
keycode   117 		= Shift_L
keycode   118    	= 
keycode   119    	= End		KP_1
keycode   120    	= Down		KP_2
keycode   121    	= Next		KP_3
keycode   125    	= Help
!keycode   126    	= Caps_Lock
keycode   127    	= Meta_L
keycode   128    	= space
keycode   129    	= Meta_R
keycode   130    	= Next
keycode   131    	= 
keycode   132    	= KP_Add 	KP_Add
clear Lock
!add mod2 = Caps_Lock
---- End of included text -------------------------8<--- and here -------------

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Where can I find both packages, because this just what I'm looking for?

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>>>>> "Helen" == Helen  <helen@voland.cc.huji.ac.il> writes:

    Helen> Just out of curiosity : why XEmacs is affected by stripping
    Helen> ? No other applications (that I know) do not have any
    Helen> problem with that.  (I know that stripping xemacs is indeed
    Helen> not a good idea because I did it once and had to
    Helen> rebuild...)

Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is
built. The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs
is then run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then
dumped into a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of
the preloaded lisp functions and data.

Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function
is obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads
to an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.

The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
if you install from sources (as temacs is *not* part of the binary
kits.

Hope this helps,
Richard.

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Subject: Re: Xemacs 19.14 binary with sound support
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>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan K Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

    Sobhan> I have a Sparc 2 running SunOS 4.1.4. Does anyone know a
    Sobhan> site where I can get pre compiled binary of 19.14 with
    Sobhan> sound support.

The SunOS 4.x binaries at ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs have been updated
to include sound support.



			-Chuck

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 : button2 cycles through buffers
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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Harald Butenschoen (r02but@dirac.desy.de) wrote:
> > Unfortunately this does not work when I am in dired mode, so if you cycle
> > and hit a dired buffer, you are stuck. Are there any patches for dired
> > available? 
> 
> This holds true for info and hyper help buffers too. :(

This also holds for the VM buffer too

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This is due to a mistake in the kernel header file.  It's fixed in
2.0.3.

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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 : button2 cycles through buffers
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I don't know if this helps, but I use
(global-set-key [f6] 'bury-buffer)
This works in dired mode, but it is a keypress and not a mouse click.
-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
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cjwoods@GIGOTech.NET (Chris Woods) writes:

> Apparently, I spoke too quickly. I had tried it out briefly when I first
> installed 19.14 last week and the default page came up fine. I just tried it
> again and attempted a connection to www.netscape.com, the page came up
> halfway, and as soon as it attempted another connection (presumably to
> retrieve some images or something) I got an error telling me that "a WWW
> connection is already open" or something similar.

When I first tried it, I got nowhere.  I've just gone back now to verify the
exact error message, and now of course it's working.  Sigh.  The errors I was
getting were

address: operation already in progress

(or was it

address: operation now in progress

?  Bugger.  I think the former.)

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From: valdis@black-ice.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks)
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Before I go and spend much time re-inventing the wheel (as I am not a
lisp hacker in the slightest), has anybody modified/replaced the definition
of default-drag-and-drop-functions in prim/frames.el to Do The Right Thing
if a drag-and-dropped file is dropped on the Xemacs *icon* (i.e. open a 
new frame and edit the file, similar to what gnuclient does).  This would
allow embedding of the Xemacs icon in the control panel....
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Hi,

I'm trying to change the foreground and background colors from dark
red on blank (can't see it) to something workable (say black on grey,
looks horrible but at least I can read it).  I tried putting the
following in my .Xdefaults file as recommended in the W3 info file:

Emacs*w3-node-style.AttributeForeground: Black
Emacs*w3-node-style.AttributeBackground: Grey
Emacs*w3-visited-node-style.AttributeForeground: Black
Emacs*w3-visited-node-style.AttributeBackground: Grey

exited Xemacs completely, exited out of Openwindows, logged back in,
called up Xemacs, did a M-x w3, and I still see red as the color.
Help?

Thanks,
Brent


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I'd like to make both a smaller runtime Xemacs and a
smaller install, I don't need or want VM, GNUs, and games...

How do I rebuild Xemacs so that support for these packages
are not built into the binary, nor .el files, et., are installed?


rjs@zilker.net

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XEmacs 19.14, X11R5 (MIT not OpenWindows), no Motif, SunOS 4.1.4, gcc 2.6.3

./configure --prefix=/opt/xemacs/19_14 --cflags=-O3 --with-dialogs=lucid

This is not news, but even with -O3 XEmacs is very slow. But only when typing
text, deleting or using the cursor keys. Page up/down is "instant", font locking
is not slow, menus are OK etc etc.

Is something unusual being called after every key press? It's so bad I might
have to go back to 19.13 which would be a shame.

Has anybody solved this yet?
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uknt@micro.lucent.com writes:
 > XEmacs 19.14, X11R5 (MIT not OpenWindows), no Motif, SunOS 4.1.4, gcc 2.6.3
 > 
 > ./configure --prefix=/opt/xemacs/19_14 --cflags=-O3 --with-dialogs=lucid
 > 
 > This is not news, but even with -O3 XEmacs is very slow. But only when typing
 > text, deleting or using the cursor keys. Page up/down is "instant", font locking
 > is not slow, menus are OK etc etc.
 > 
 > Is something unusual being called after every key press? It's so bad I might
 > have to go back to 19.13 which would be a shame.
 > 
 > Has anybody solved this yet?

I don't know if this is connected or totally unrelated (I'm on an
Alpha), but I noticed a speed-up when I changed my setting of
lazy-lock-walk-windows from 'all-frames back to the default (true).
In my case I had determined that I was only getting slow response when
I had multiple frames displayed (the xload was notably different).

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>>>> Peals of wisdom from 'Uri Blumenthal (uri@watson.ibm.com)':

 UB> Ben, thanks for explaining, but let me disagree: My .emacs does absolutely
 UB> *nothing* with either Backspace or Delete, except for loading
 UB> "delbackspace" of course.

I had practically the same setup as Uri and I also noticed my Delete and
BackSpace keys broken when I went to 19.14 (this on a Sun SparcStation 2
running X11R6.1 and a Type 4 keyboard).

In my heathen youth I mucked with xmodmap to swap the keysyms for Delete and
BackSpace. Seeing the light, I shelved that and instead did the swap in my
.emacs, but had to muck with all of my major modes as well. Everything worked
just great. Of course, upon discovery of delbackspace I just *had* to use it,
and I removed all my key redefinitions.

Thankfully, I only commented them out. I have since given up on delbackspace
package, and have gone back to the manipulations I had prior to using it. No
problems. Here's the function I call from within my mode hook files to set
things right:

(defun my-set-delete (map arg)
  "Map the Delete and keypad Del keys to something useful. If ARG, is not nil,
then also map the Backspace key to call backward-delete-char instead of
the useless backward-delete-char-untabify."
  (if arg
	  (define-key map '(backspace) 'backward-delete-char))
  (define-key map '(delete) 'delete-char)
  (define-key map '(kp_delete) 'delete-char)
  )

And in my .emacs file, I have this:

(global-set-key '(backspace) 'backward-delete-char)
(global-set-key '(delete) 'delete-char)
(global-set-key '(kp_delete) 'delete-char)


Brad

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I'm running XEmacs 19.14 under Aix 4.1.4 and everything appears to be
working great, however, when I go under the options menu and change the
font to a different font or larger font size and then do "Save Options"
and then exit and restart XEmacs the font it uses goes back to the
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-----begin foo.h ------
/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/

----end foo.h ---------


If I load foo.h in c-mode then 

M-x font-lock-fontify-buffer 
works fine,  but if I chantge it to c++ mode,

I get this in the message line:

Fontifying foo.h... (regexps....) 

And my emacs just hangs, and I have to kill it.  I did not have this problem
with xemacs-19.13.

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I have a couple of Qns. Its more of a UNIX Qn but I am sure there 
is some variable in Xemacs which we can set.

I have a Sparc 2.. so I run xemacs from a remote m/c using:
rsh <remote> xemacs -display my_machine:0.0
everything is working fine except that, sound is not working....
is there some variable which we can set so that we cna get sound 
though we run from a remote m/c...and also the setenv's in .login are
not read .. I have
setenv PRINTER my_printer
setenv LASER my_printer
Is there a way we can set these vars...
I think this is the same with all the applications that run remotely... 
help please
Thanks
- Sobhan
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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Meland <meland@sp050.cern.ch> writes:

Harald> I'm using RMIME instead of tm for the following reasons:

Harald> 	* tm is _very poorly_ documented IMHO ...

:-( No disagreement, though I've never had someone read the Japanese
version of the manual to me.

Harald> 	* Also IMHO, tm is a real b****rd to install (correctly, that
Harald> 	  is). With RMIME all the code is in one single file --
Harald> 	  couldn't be much easier than that.

:-( No disagreement.  The latest beta shows definite improvement in
this area, though it refuses to recognize any Gnus later than 5.2.25
when installing.

Harald> 	* Just the idea of making a major mode for decoding MIME (Like
Harald> 	  tm does) seems to me like the Wrong Thing to do. It all
Harald> 	  becomes much more complicated than needed.

Perhaps.  It works for me though.

Harald> 	* When it comes to actual merits of the two packages,
Harald> 	  I don't really know much more than that they both
Harald> 	  handle quoted-printable (which is the main reason
Harald> 	  why I need any MIME support at all, coming from a
Harald> 	  country using 'strange letters' :). Does anybody
Harald> 	  else have anything to say on this?

O.K. I downloaded a copy of rmime.el to see what it includes.  It is
missing:

* Any non ISO-8859-1 language support
* In-line display of graphics
* Encryption/digital signature as a MIME type

I didn't see off-hand what kind of facilities it provides for creating
MIME messages.

It certainly seems like rmime could be added to 19.15.  There *must*
be better MIME support in 19.15 IMHO, and an extra useful package
wouldn't seem to hurt.  It does not appear to be a total replacement
for tm though.

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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray  <rjs@zilker.com> writes:

Ray> I'd like to make both a smaller runtime Xemacs and a
Ray> smaller install, I don't need or want VM, GNUs, and games...

Ray> How do I rebuild Xemacs so that support for these packages
Ray> are not built into the binary, nor .el files, et., are installed?

None of the packages you named are dumped with XEmacs, so the gain by
eliminating them will be small.

Examine the autoloads rule in the Makefile, also examine the shell
script lib-src/update-elc.sh.  Rebuilding XEmacs built in lisp code is
not for the faint-hearted, so be sure you really want to do this to
gain the 20k (if that much) or so you will save in the final binary.

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Valdis Kletnieks wrote:
> 
> Before I go and spend much time re-inventing the wheel (as I am not a
> lisp hacker in the slightest), has anybody modified/replaced the definition
> of default-drag-and-drop-functions in prim/frames.el to Do The Right Thing
> if a drag-and-dropped file is dropped on the Xemacs *icon* (i.e. open a
> new frame and edit the file, similar to what gnuclient does).  This would
> allow embedding of the Xemacs icon in the control panel....

Just put gnuclient in the control panel.  Here are the control & action
definitions to replace the dorky CDE text editor with XEmacs:

CONTROL TextEditor
{
  TYPE			icon
  CONTAINER_NAME	Top
  CONTAINER_TYPE	BOX
  POSITION_HINTS	4
  ICON			Fppenpd
  LABEL			Text Editor
  PUSH_ACTION		GNUClientNewBuffer
  DROP_ACTION		TextEditor
}

ACTION TextEditor
{
        LABEL		Text Editor
        ICON            Fppenpd
	TYPE		MAP
	MAP_ACTION	GNUClient
        DESCRIPTION	The Text Editor action runs the user preferred \
                        text editor.
}

ACTION GNUClientNewBuffer
{
	DESCRIPTION	GNUClientNewBuffer invokes the xemacs editor with a new window.
	TYPE		COMMAND
	EXEC_STRING	gnudoit "(switch-to-buffer-other-frame '\\\"*scratch*\\\")"
	WINDOW_TYPE	NO_STDIO
}

ACTION GNUClient
{
	DESCRIPTION	GNUClient invokes the xemacs editor with the passed file.
	TYPE		COMMAND
	EXEC_STRING	gnuclient "%(File)Arg_1%"
	WINDOW_TYPE	NO_STDIO
}

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I would like to set up the F1 F2, and F3 keys to do the
following.

   F1 cycles buffers forward in the current window.
   F2 deletes the buffer in the current window 
       WITHOUT ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION
   F3 cycles buffers backwards in the current window.

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Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

> Where can I find both packages, because this just what I'm looking for?

Both packages can be reached from the RMIME home page:

http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Xemacs-19.14, W3, and SunOS 4.1.4 -- can't change foreground/background on Web link text
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If you're using something over w3-2.3.40, then these things are done with
stylesheets, not with resources (the info file may be behind). Take a look
at ~/.w3/stylesheet (or something), or if you don't have such a directory,
look at default.css in the w3 elisp directory (.../xemacs/lisp/w3 or
something). Copy that to, say, ~/.w3-stylesheet, modify to your content, set
w3-default-stylesheet to point to it.

HTH, Vlad

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I don't mean to be picky, but:
On the modeline, the string after "modeline-modified" string and up to the
first colon (:), does not seems to impart any additional infomation and is
in fact redundant. E.G.:
-----XEmacs: file1     (Indented Text Fill Abrev) etc.
--%*-Hyper Apropos:  "modeline"    (Hyper Apropos) etc.
--%%-Dired: src        (Dired by name Font) etc.
--%%-XEmacs: file1.c   (C/a) etc.
and so on...
What I am trying to say, is that "XEmacs:", "Hyper Apropos:", "Dired:" are
redundant and take up precious modeline space.

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From: bqv@eng102.eng.i-o.com (Bang Q. Vu)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem with GNU v5.2.25 and XEmacs 19.14
Date: 09 Jul 1996 21:44:55 GMT
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Just switched over to 19.14 and trying to read news using GNU
v5.2.25. When i started GNU, everything went well up to the point
where the subscribed news groups appeared then an error "Symbol's
function definitiom is void: font-lock-hack-keyword" showed up in the
minibuffer. When i selected a news group to read, same error
happened. Anybody has an idea as to what's wrong? Thanks in advance.
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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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Subject: time zone with display-time
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I downloaded 19.14 binary for sunos4.1.4 and am using
(display-time) . It is showing PST inted of EST. Is there a variable to tell Emacs about the 
time zone. When I try the same .emacs with 19.13 it works fine.

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan
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From: Greg Thompson <gregt@zagato.visix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: 19.14 horizontal scrollbar bug
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i've got one giant xemacs window (163x73) which i frequently split
horizontally via split-window-horizontally (C-x 3).  this gives me two
windows next to each other which are each 80 columns wide (according
to window-width).  each window gets a horizontal scrollbar (i actually
don't like this so much, but i can understand it since long lines
don't wrap).  if the buffer in one of these windows contains lines
which are 80 chars wide (C-x = on the newline on the widest line
reports 79), then xemacs begins to think that the buffer is too wide
for the window, and shrinks the thumb on the horizontal scrollbar a
bit.  dragging the scrollbar to the right doesn't move the text at
all.  it just puts annoying $'s down the left column of the text.
this is a bug.
-- 
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From: Michael Nichols <mike@plato.rad.rochester.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problems with 19.14/Linux/XF863.1.2
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 18:10:57 -0400
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I have recently installed the Xemacs 19.14 binaries
for Linux (ELF) (from ftp.xemacs.org) and am noticing some 
odd behavior upon startup. Actually, most of the time Xemacs fails
to open a window. There are no error messages that
I am aware of, it seems to be stuck in a loop.
When xemacs is invoked with the '-nw' flag, all is well.
It starts right up and everything seems to work.

I have found a sequence of events which will allow Xemacs
to start under X, but I don't claim to understand it. I
connect to the internet via a slip line, and I am normally
not connected. If I start a slip connection and fire up
netscape, Xemacs seems to work fine under X. After
I drop the connection, however, Xemacs won't work except
with the -nw flag. Any ideas ?

Linux 1.2.13 (ELF) (i486/33, 20 MB ram, Diamond Speed Star Pro 1MB)
XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6000)
Operating System: Linux 
Configured drivers:
  VGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0):
     et4000, et4000w32, et4000w32i, et4000w32p, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00,
     wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, vgawonder,
     tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga9000, clgd5420,
     clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430,
      clgd5436, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, ncr77c22, 
      cpq_avga, oti067, oti077, oti087, mx, al2101, ali2228, ali2301,
      ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7,
      ct65520, ct65530, ct65540, ct65545, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, 
      realtek, generic

ldd /bin/xemacs
        libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
        libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
        libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
        libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libICE.so.6.0
        libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXext.so.6.0
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6.0
        libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.4
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.16

/bin/xemacs -version
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i486-unknown-linuxelf) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on
icemark

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From: Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ws14.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Q: Print a buffer with faces in a 2 column landscape mode
Date: 09 Jul 1996 17:13:52 -0700
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Is it possible to pretty-print a buffer/region with faces in a 2 column
landscape mode similar to that what "enscript -2r" does?

Any suggestions are very appreciated.
Thank you,

Slava
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Brad, thanks for sharing your setup. It's helpful to know.

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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

    Ben> If you load delbackspace, you shouldn't be messing with the
    Ben> bindings of backspace and delete yourself.  Try deleting all
    Ben> lines except
    Ben> (load "delbackspace")
    Ben> and I'm sure things will improve markedly.

Unfortunately, my experience doesn't conform with your
assumption. (load "delbackspace") worked like charm on
19.13, and stopped doing the job on 19.14 [for me].

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Currently I have the following set in my .emacs:

(setq user-mail-address "gail.gurman@sybase.com"
      mail-host-address "sybase.com")

This solved a problem Gnus had with correctly addressing messages. However,
it also affects mail sent with VM and I don't want that. What I'd really
like is the following configuration:

Mail to internal Sybase addresses:
	From: gailg (Gail Mara Gurman)

Mail to addresses outside Sybase:
	From: gailg@sybase.com (Gail Mara Gurman)

Elm does this automatically.

So, I have two questions:

	1) How can I set user-mail-address and mail-host-address
	   differently for Gnus and VM.
	2) How can I have VM address mail differently based on 
	   whether it is internal or external?

Thanks.

-- 
Gail Gurman                       | email: Gail.Gurman@Sybase.com
Sybase MPP Pubs                   | phone: (510) 922-0194

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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 18:25:29 -0700
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Glenn Proctor wrote:

> In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view mode
> is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an image, but
> it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I have to click
> again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to the message etc.

Hmmm.  Although tm-vm brings up the message in MIME-view, isn't your
cursor
left in the VM Summary buffer where all the normal VM commands should
apply?
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From: t&m@destin.gulfnet.com (Thomas M. Browder, Jr.)
Subject: Xemacs-19.14 and Irix 5.3 (SGI)

I got Xemacs-19.14 compiled under Irix 5.3 on an SGI Indigo, and I have the
current
xpm library, but I still get the warning window and continuous warning
messages about
not being able to instantiate the xemacs bitmap. None of the toolbar bitmaps
load. But
when I use gdb, the debugger bitmaps load fine! I have had no such trouble with
my Linux installation.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
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Subject: save-options-file and save-options-init-file
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I like the ability to Save Options in its own special file rather than
cluttering up the ~/.emacs file with them.  Obviously, then you need to
load this options file at some point in the startup of the Emacs.  My
problem is I don't like the way that it is being done in XEmacs 19.14
(sorry, guys).  My suggestions:

1. save-options-file should be hard-coded to '(concat user-init-file
"-options")' (modified according to system-type).
2. save-options-init-file should be removed.
3. if save-options-file exists, then it should be loaded before
site-start.el.

My reasons for this are:

1. The options being saved do not require anything from site-start.el,
.emacs, or default.el, so they can be loaded before these others.
2. If save-options-file is hard-coded and loaded before site-start.el,
then save-options-init-file is unneeded.
3. Individual users that want to turn off the options can simply move
the file out of the way.
4. Nothing needs to be added to the user's .emacs (potentially messing
up local variables that the user may have set).

Am I missing something?
-- 
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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5 using precompiled binaries.
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So I've been have this problem with XEmacs as of late
I just switched to a sparc5 with solaris 2.5 on it.

Now I have to go into the bin directory of xemacs and 
physically type xemacs-19.14 -geo 100x60-0+100 to get it to run.

OK a little background.
I have a logical link to the binary.  This resolves correctly.
The link actually goes through another link of directories.
That too resolves correclty.  In the actually directory 
there is a link xemacs -> xemacs-19.14.  No problem there.

According to which xemacs it finds it.  
But I can't use any of the logical links in any way.  All I get is this:

---------------------------------------------------
UNIX> ./xemacs -geometry 100x60-0+100
 
Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource
---------------------------------------------------
BUT this works.
---------------------------------------------------
UNIX> ./xemacs-19.14 -geometry 100x60-0+100
---------------------------------------------------
Note the current directory is.
.../xemacs/bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.4

It looks like the dump of xemacs is incorrect for solaris 2.5.
Will there be precompiled version available for 2.5 in the new future?
Has anyone else had this problem??

Mark Daku


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Because the image contains dumped elisp bytecode (and other elisp objects).

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From: Greg Thompson <gregt@zagato.visix.com>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 horizontal scrollbar bug
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>"GT" == Greg Thompson <gregt@zagato.visix.com> writes:

  GT> i've got one giant xemacs window (163x73) which i frequently split
  GT> horizontally via split-window-horizontally (C-x 3).  this gives me two
  GT> windows next to each other which are each 80 columns wide (according
  GT> to window-width).  each window gets a horizontal scrollbar (i actually
  GT> don't like this so much, but i can understand it since long lines
  GT> don't wrap).

well, i just found that truncate-partial-width-windows gets rid of
that annoyance, but the bug i reported exists regardless of that setting.
-- 
		-greg		  the truth it wears no clones and you
				  cannot forget mmmmmmmm a little kiss
					      on the mouth of a friend
						     -shudder to think

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> 
> It looks like the dump of xemacs is incorrect for solaris 2.5.
> Will there be precompiled version available for 2.5 in the new future?
> Has anyone else had this problem??
> 
> Mark Daku
> 

I think you're jumping the gun just a bit.  The dump works just fine
on Solaris 2.5 and 2.5.1 here.

-- Gary F.


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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Problem with GNU v5.2.25 and XEmacs 19.14
Date: 10 Jul 1996 08:38:02 +0200
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bqv@eng102.eng.i-o.com (Bang Q. Vu) writes:

> 
> Just switched over to 19.14 and trying to read news using GNU
> v5.2.25. When i started GNU, everything went well up to the point
> where the subscribed news groups appeared then an error "Symbol's
> function definitiom is void: font-lock-hack-keyword" showed up in the
> minibuffer. When i selected a news group to read, same error
> happened. Anybody has an idea as to what's wrong? Thanks in advance.
> -- 
> --
> Bang Vu            | I/O, Inc.             
> bvu@eng.i-o.com    | 12300 Parc Crest Dr. 
> Voice 713-879-2087 | Stafford, Texas 77477
> Fax   713-879-2096 |

Also 19.14/5.2.25: when going to a group summary, say *Summary:
comp.emacs.xemacs, I don't get the group summary toolbar. Instead I get
the default toolbar for general editing. Using 5.2.5 with 19.14, get's me
the correct right toolbar. I tried starting 5.2.25 without any of my
customizations, but that didn't help. BTW, I am using the precompiled
binary for HP-UX 9.05, and the XEmacs tree is not at /usr/local, but in
under my home directory. Any Ideas?

-- 
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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: Portland Linux Users Group <plug@northwest.com>, xemacs@xemacs.org
CC: karlheg@teleport.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: General Protection, 28Mb RAM, GCC 2.7.2-nosrbug, XEmacs19.14
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

 I found a FAQ about this at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
and tried a few things that are leading to a solution to the problem I
had been experiencing.  XEmacs 19.14 is now working just fine again;
the same binary that had been crashing before.  The FAQ points at
hardware problems; perhaps bad memory chips.

 I had four 4Mb simms, and bought a 16Mb simm, which I replaced one of
the 4Mb simms with, bringing my machine to 28Mb.  That's when I began
experiencing segmentation faults while compiling, and general
protection errors from the kernel.  I ftp'd the three kernel patches
that were available from ftp.funet.fi, patched and recompiled to Linux
2.0.3ish (the version.h says 2.0.1 still), and the compilation
segfaults stopped.  I was able to compile XEmacs without restarting
the make over and over, in a 28Mb computer.  But the XEmacs crashed
all the time, and gdb showed a null pointer dereference as the cause.

 I have libc 5.3.12, which I compiled myself a month or two ago, and
it is using the new malloc (Doug Lea), which it compiles by default.
Hmmm, could that be it?  (My intuition says "no".)

 After I found the FAQ mentioned above, I pulled out the 16Mb simm,
and plugged the original 4Mb into its place.  Now the XEmacs runs
fine, and the things that crashed it before no longer do.  (VM toolbar
code, null pointer dereference ==> SIGSEGV)  AHA! Bad RAM!

 To be certain, I pulled all four of the 4Mb simms, and replaced them
with the single 16Mb simm, and rebooted.  I get the same results as
with the four 4Mb simms.  16Mb of working RAM, and no random crashes
of XEmacs.  I'm using it now, everythings fine.  Hmm...  The RAM chips
don't seem to be bad after all.

 Ok, so...  The 16Mb simm is non-parity, 60ns.  One of the four 4Mb
simms is non-parity also.  I have parity checking off in BIOS...  All
four of the 4Mb simms are 70ns RAMS.  So, is it that I cannot mix 60ns
RAM with 70ns RAM???  Or is there an error in the Linux memory
management code that causes problems for memory above a certain amount?

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom
<karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
Proudly running Linux 2.0.0 and GNU public software!

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Subject: 19.14 save options
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Hi,

There is a problem with the new save-options function.

I start XEmacs with the -u switch, because a lot of the time I start
XEmacs from other users accounts. XEmacs doesn't load my saved options
properly.

I have in my .emacs:
 
(setq save-options-file "~david/.xemacs-options")
(setq save-options-init-file "~david/.emacs")


When I do Save Options from the menu, the following lines are added to
my .emacs:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings


The line:

   (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))

should actually read 

   (load-options-file "~david/.xemacs-options")))

but the save-options-file is being ignored. 


Is there a fix for this (other than saving the options to ~/.emacs by
setting (setq save-options-file "~/.emacs")?)

hanks,

-- 
David Barr.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
To: Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ws14.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Q: Print a buffer with faces in a 2 column landscape mode
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Slava Kharin writes:
 > Is it possible to pretty-print a buffer/region with faces in a 2 column
 > landscape mode similar to that what "enscript -2r" does?
 > 
 > Any suggestions are very appreciated.
 > Thank you,
 > 

Disclaimer: i have not tested this solution, but it _should_ work

Slava,

  you need to modify ps-lpr-command

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ps-lpr-command's value is "lp"
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.
Documentation:
*The shell command for printing a PostScript file.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

so you may use, in your .emacs

(setq ps-lpr-command "my-script")
(require 'ps-print)

where my-script, that has to be placed in your PATH, contains

#!/bin/sh
psnup -2 | lp -dps

i guess that you _have to use a script, as ps-lpr-command has to be a
single command

psnup is a program in the PSUtils package, that you can easily install
on your system (and maybe is already there) and comprises, well, a
number of utilities to deal with postscript files - ask archie for the
nearest server


ciao
				gb

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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: General Protection, 28Mb RAM, GCC 2.7.2-nosrbug,
  XEmacs19.14
Cc: plug@northwest.com, xemacs@xemacs.org

At 23:10 09/07/96 -0700, you wrote:
> Ok, so...  The 16Mb simm is non-parity, 60ns.  One of the four 4Mb
>simms is non-parity also.  I have parity checking off in BIOS...  All
>four of the 4Mb simms are 70ns RAMS.  So, is it that I cannot mix 60ns
>RAM with 70ns RAM???  Or is there an error in the Linux memory
>management code that causes problems for memory above a certain amount?

I don't know what your problem is, but I don't think it's the amount of RAM.
I am running Linux with 32MB 70ns EDO RAM and am experiencing no memory
problems at all with XEmacs or anything else. So maybe it is the mixing of
60ns & 70ns RAM?

Hope that helped a little.

-- David
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Subject: Re: func-menu slowness
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:06:48 -0700
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Konstantin Ignatiev wrote:
> 
> func-menu is really slow, but on the other hand it is a cool
> feature. Does anyone know what makes it so slow and if there
> is any way to make things faster? I didn't have time yet to look
> at the source, but it looks like it spends time trying to figure
> out the current function scope (which can change with every
> vertical cursor movement). If so, there can be many ways to work it
> out . . .

For me it helped to switch off the display of the function-name.

(setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

After that things improved at bit. Unfortunately, seeing the name of the 
current function would be a cool thing. Therefore I might give it a try 
and place it somewhere in the popup-menu or any similar place...

Still I sometimes have periods where the response of emacs is really 
slow, especially when it needs to scroll vertically. Soo far I could not 
pin down the problem. Its hard to tell the difference to a slow network 
connection PC <-> Workstation.

HTH,
Thomas

-- 
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Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de        Justus Liebig Universitaet 
Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832                  Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868                  35392 Giessen, Germany
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
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Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:56:11 +0200
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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
> 
> Glenn Proctor wrote:
> 
> > In the VM summary buffer, when I select a MIME message, MIME-view mode
> > is entered. This is fine when the message contains, say an image, but
> > it is annoying when the message is only plain text - I have to click
> > again to get back into VM mode in order to reply to the message etc.
> 
> Hmmm.  Although tm-vm brings up the message in MIME-view, isn't your
> cursor left in the VM Summary buffer where all the normal VM commands
> should apply?

Not if you do not have a summary buffer, a scenario that will arise if you
have set the variable vm-startup-with-summary to nil and do not call the
command vm-suumarize.

I encounter similar problems with Gnus.  If I am reading a vanilla article
I can use the command "gnus-article-refer-article" to get to the message
referred to by the ID under the point.  But not if the message was MIME
encoded.

--- alastair

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David Barr <david@oren.co.il> writes:



> (setq save-options-file "~david/.xemacs-options")
> (setq save-options-init-file "~david/.emacs")
> 
> 

it's a bug (and not a feature) !

now a correction (original in x-menubar.el) :


(defun save-options-menu-settings ()
  "Saves the current settings of the `Options' menu to your `.emacs' file."
  (interactive)
  ;; we compute the actual filenames now because x-menubar is loaded
  ;; at dump time, when the identity of the user running XEmacs is not known.
  (let* ((actual-save-options-init-file
	  (or save-options-init-file
	      (and (not (equal user-init-file ""))
		   user-init-file)
	      (and (eq system-type 'ms-dos)
		   (concat "~" (user-login-name) "/_emacs"))
	      (concat "~" (user-login-name) "/.emacs")))
	 (actual-save-options-file
	  (abbreviate-file-name
	   (expand-file-name
	    save-options-file
	    (file-name-directory actual-save-options-init-file))
;; FA : don't hack-homedir in abbreviate-file-name
	   ))
	 (init-output-buffer (find-file-noselect
			      actual-save-options-init-file))
	 init-output-marker
	 (options-output-buffer
	  (find-file-noselect actual-save-options-file))
	 options-output-marker)

    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer options-output-buffer)
      (erase-buffer)
      (setq options-output-marker (point-marker)))

    ;; run with current-buffer unchanged so that variables are evaluated in
    ;; the current context, instead of in the context of the ".emacs" buffer
    ;; or the ".xemacs-options" buffer.

    ;; first write out .xemacs-options.

    (let ((standard-output options-output-marker))
      (princ ";; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-\n\n")
      (princ "(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(")
      (princ emacs-major-version)
      (princ " ")
      (princ emacs-minor-version)
      (princ "))\n")
      (let ((print-readably t)
	    (print-escape-newlines t))
	(mapcar #'(lambda (var)
		    (princ "  ")
		    (if (symbolp var)
			(prin1 (list 'setq-default var
				     (let ((val (symbol-value var)))
				       (if (or (memq val '(t nil))
					       (and (not (symbolp val))
						    (not (consp val))))
					   val
					 (list 'quote val)))))
		      (setq var (eval var))
		      (cond ((eq (car-safe var) 'progn)
			     (while (setq var (cdr var))
			       (prin1 (car var))
			       (princ "\n")
			       (if (cdr var) (princ "  "))
			       ))
			    (var
			     (prin1 var))))
		    (if var (princ "\n")))
		options-menu-saved-forms)
	))
    (set-marker options-output-marker nil)
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer options-output-buffer)
      (save-buffer))

    ;; then fix .emacs.

    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer init-output-buffer)
      ;;
      ;; Find and delete the previously saved data, and position to write.
      ;;
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (if (re-search-forward "^;; Options Menu Settings *\n" nil 'move)
	  (let ((p (match-beginning 0)))
	    (goto-char p)
	    (or (re-search-forward
		 "^;; End of Options Menu Settings *\\(\n\\|\\'\\)"
		 nil t)
		(error "can't find END of saved state in .emacs"))
	    (delete-region p (match-end 0)))
	(goto-char (point-max))
	(insert "\n"))
      (setq init-output-marker (point-marker)))

    (let ((standard-output init-output-marker))
      (princ ";; Options Menu Settings\n")
      (princ ";; =====================\n")
      (princ "(cond\n")
      (princ " ((and (string-match \"XEmacs\" emacs-version)\n")
      (princ "       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)\n")
      (princ "       (or (and\n")
      (princ "            (= emacs-major-version 19)\n")
      (princ "            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))\n")
      (princ "           (= emacs-major-version 20))\n")
      (princ "       (fboundp 'load-options-file))\n")
      (princ "  (load-options-file \"")
      (princ actual-save-options-file)
      (princ "\")))\n")
      (princ ";; ============================\n")
      (princ ";; End of Options Menu Settings\n"))

    (set-marker init-output-marker nil)
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer init-output-buffer)
      (save-buffer))
    ))


    -- FA


#include <std/disclaimer.h>
e-mail: abiven@simulog.fr

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From: t&m@destin.gulfnet.com (Thomas M. Browder, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Xemacs-19.14 and Irix 5.3 (SGI)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

Dr. Lam wrote (in reply to my previous msg):

>Previous messages in this newsgroup stated that the Xpm library that
>comes with Irix 5.3 is to old to be used with Xemacs. Your experiences
>seem to confirm these reports. (I think this is also mentioned in the 
>PROBLEMS file.) 
>
>Anyway, you have to upgrade your Xpm library. However, make sure that
>only Xemacs can see the new Xpm library. There have been reports about
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> 
>Good luck,
>Erwin J. W. Lam
>

Thanks, but I didn't make myself clear: I DO have the new xpm library, and I
still have the problems
previously stated. (Good point about the new library possibly causing SGI
problems.)


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The dired-xemacs-highlight gives an error when trying to load it when
running under mono X display. I've found that by removing the
set-face-background-pixmap command, everything works fine. Here
are the diffs, for those interested:

diff /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/dired/dired-xemacs-highlight.el /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/dired/dired-xemacs-highlight.el.orig
108c108,111
<            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "Grey")))))
---
>            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "Grey")
>          (set-face-background-pixmap
>           'dired-face-boring 
>           [32 2 "\125\125\125\125\252\252\252\252"])))))

Also, there are faces that are defined, but not actually use (for
deleted and selected files).

-- 
Elad Tsur

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From: Juan Villacis <jvillaci@peaks.extreme.indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: Cycling and Deleting Buffers.
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Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:
> I would like to set up the F1 F2, and F3 keys to do the
> following.
>
>   F1 cycles buffers forward in the current window.
>   F2 deletes the buffer in the current window 
>       WITHOUT ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION
>   F3 cycles buffers backwards in the current window.

The following should achieve those ends:

---------------------------------------------------------------------

; use M-x describe-key to see what the "name" of the function key is;
; then use that name in the define-key below
(define-key global-map 'f1 'goto-next-buffer)
(define-key global-map 'f2 'kill-this-buffer)
(define-key global-map 'f3 'goto-prev-buffer)

(defun pause-message (msg)  ;; temporarily show a message in the minibuffer
  (message "%s" msg)
  (sleep-for 1)
  (message "%s" "  "))

(defun get-bury-buffer (direction)
  (if (< direction 0)
      (switch-to-buffer (car (reverse (buffer-list))))
    (bury-buffer))
  (if (string= (buffer-name) " *Minibuf-0*")  ;; skip over Minibuffer but bury other
      (if (< direction 0)
	  (switch-to-buffer (car (reverse (buffer-list))))
	(bury-buffer))))

(defun skip-over-buffer (name)
  (let* ((skip 
		'("*Warnings*" "*pixmap-conversion*" "*Echo Area*" "*Message-Log*")) 
	    (skipIt nil))
    (while (and skip (not skipIt))
	 (setq skipIt (string= name (car skip)))
	 (setq skip (cdr skip)))
    skipIt))

(defun goto-next-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let ((from-minibuffer (minibuffer-window-active-p (minibuffer-window)))
	   (cb (current-buffer)))
    (if (and from-minibuffer)
	   (progn
		(other-window 1)
		(get-bury-buffer 0)
		(select-window (minibuffer-window)))
      (get-bury-buffer 0))
    (if (skip-over-buffer (buffer-name))
	   (if (and from-minibuffer)
		  (progn
		    (other-window 1)
		    (get-bury-buffer 0)
		    (select-window (minibuffer-window)))
		(progn
		  (get-bury-buffer 0)
		  (if (eq cb (current-buffer))
			 (pause-message "No more buffers to cycle FORWARD through.")))))
    ))

(defun goto-prev-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let ((from-minibuffer (minibuffer-window-active-p (minibuffer-window)))
	   (cb (current-buffer)))
    (if (and from-minibuffer)
	   (progn
		(other-window 1)
		(get-bury-buffer -1)
		(select-window (minibuffer-window)))
	 (get-bury-buffer -1))
    (if (skip-over-buffer (buffer-name))
	   (if (and from-minibuffer)
		  (progn
		    (other-window 1)
		    (get-bury-buffer -1)
		    (select-window (minibuffer-window)))
		(progn
		  (get-bury-buffer -1)
		  (if (eq cb (current-buffer))
			 (pause-message "No more buffers to cycle BACK through.")))))
    ))

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I'd like to be able to get rid of the horizontal scrollbars that appear
at the bottom of "electric" buffers; they obscure part of the text there.
Any idea how to do this??  

Another question: I'd also like to make the last line of an electric
buffer be the last line of text, rather than the line directly below
it.  Any advice???

Thanks,
James.



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From: friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com (Robin Friedrich)
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Subject: GNUS 5 post configuration error
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Since upgrading to 19.14 and the latest GNUS I have been unable to
post articles due to a configuration error of some kind. It doesn't
tell me much, just when I C-c C-c to post the article it warns me that
my system is misconfigured?!?!?:-( Reading news is fine. I have no
idea where to start to check as there isn't any docs I can find on
configuring GNUS 5. I am behind a firewall, but I'm not sure if that
is effecting it.  Please email me some pointers and I would be very
grateful.  TIA

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org, Portland Linux Users Group <plug@northwest.com>
Subject: General Protection, 28Mb RAM, GCC 2.7.2-nosrbug, XEmacs19.14
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Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

A mundane deleteable:

 I need to stop doing this.  My inexperience is to visible... (how do
I make a slightly embarrassed smiley?)  Not five minutes after I C-c
C-c'd the last message, View Mail segfaulted when I pressed the R
button.  Most times it pops the frame up and runs, no problem, and
many of you will attest to that.  It was stable before the upgrade,
and so was gcc.

 (They must have improved the kernel memory management code in some
way that lets gcc work fine even with those buggy RAM chips...  The
patch fixed the during compilation cpp/cc1 segmentation faults.)

 I've since pulled out the infamous 16Mb simm and replaced it with the
four 4Mb simms again.  I will exchange the bad simm today, and chalk
this one up as an experience.

>>>>> "Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

    Karl>  I found a FAQ about this at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
    Karl> and tried a few things that are leading to a solution to the
    Karl> problem I had been experiencing.  XEmacs 19.14 is now
    Karl> working just fine again; the same binary that had been
    Karl> crashing before.  The FAQ points at hardware problems;
    Karl> perhaps bad memory chips.

    [ ... ]

    Karl>  Ok, so...  The 16Mb simm is non-parity, 60ns.  One of the
    Karl> four 4Mb simms is non-parity also.  I have parity checking
    Karl> off in BIOS...  All four of the 4Mb simms are 70ns RAMS.
    Karl> So, is it that I cannot mix 60ns RAM with 70ns RAM???  Or is
    Karl> there an error in the Linux memory management code that
    Karl> causes problems for memory above a certain amount?

--
Karl M. Hegbloom
<karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
Proudly running Linux 2.0.3ish and GNU public software!

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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: timezone
Date: 10 Jul 1996 08:21:35 -0700
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19.14 precompiled binary id displaying PST time. My timezone-world-timezones looks fine. But when I say 
M-h v "current-time-zone" it says no match.

I am in EST.. what should I do to solve this problem.. help please
- Sobhan

timezone-world-timezones's value is (("PST" . -800) ("PDT" . -700) ("MST" . -700) ("MDT" . -600) ("CST" . -600) ("CDT" . -500) ("EST" . -500) ("EDT" . -400) ("AST" . -400) ("NST" . -330) ("UT" . 0) ("GMT" . 0) ("BST" . 100) ("MET" . 100) ("EET" . 200) ("JST" . 900) ("GMT+1" . 100) ("GMT+2" . 200) ("GMT+3" . 300) ("GMT+4" . 400) ("GMT+5" . 500) ("GMT+6" . 600) ("GMT+7" . 700) ("GMT+8" . 800) ("GMT+9" . 900) ("GMT+10" . 1000) ("GMT+11" . 1100) ("GMT+12" . 1200) ("GMT+13" . 1300) ("GMT-1" . -100) ("GMT-2" . -200) ("GMT-3" . -300) ("GMT-4" . -400) ("GMT-5" . -500) ("GMT-6" . -600) ("GMT-7" . -700) ("GMT-8" . -800) ("GMT-9" . -900) ("GMT-10" . -1000) ("GMT-11" . -1100) ("GMT-12" . -1200))
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Time differentials of timezone from GMT in +-HHMM form.
This list is obsolescent, and is present only for backwards compatibility,
because time zone names are ambiguous in practice.
Use `current-time-zone' instead.



Sobhan K Padamati				Email:	sobhan@fore.com
Software Development Engineer			Direct:	412-635-3671
FORE Systems					Main:	412-772-6600
5800 Corporate Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15237		Fax:	412-635-3550


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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: OOBR - Getting Started
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:35:29 -0400
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I'm trying to use the OOBR for c++ and am having trouble
        getting started.

	1. Is this the right newsgroup for such? Does anyone know of
            of any tutorials, papers, concerning OOBR? Is it highly
	    successful?

	2. I would like to do the following simple things.

           build an "environment" in directory /A 
           and another in /B. And be able to switch back 
           and forth between the two.
 
           Here is my first problem. /A/OOBR gets loaded fine
           and everything works. I choose OOBR/Environment/Create
           from the MenuBar. I get the warning message 
     
            "Symbol's value as variable is void: id-tool-oo-browser"

 	I have lots and lots of other problems I'd also like to
        resolve.

                     Thanks for any Enlightenment

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From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>
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Subject: setting default toolbar position (small niggle)
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I have a (set-default-toolbar-position 'left) in my init files, which
seems to work fine, except that xemacs twitches violently on startup
when it realises all its geometry calculations are wrong.  I can't see
a way of setting this from a resource though.  Is there any way around
this?

--tim

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5 using precompiled binaries.
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Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
> > It looks like the dump of xemacs is incorrect for solaris 2.5.
> > Will there be precompiled version available for 2.5 in the new future?
> > Has anyone else had this problem??
> > 
> > Mark Daku
> > 
> 
> I think you're jumping the gun just a bit.  The dump works just fine
> on Solaris 2.5 and 2.5.1 here.
> 
> -- Gary F.
> 

Then I'm curious as to why anything with logical links in it that
points to the xemacs binary doesn't work on my machine.

Is there any libs that are dynamically loaded for the precompiled binaries
that might cause this problem if they are absent or if they are broken?

Would the sparcworks version help me out?

Mark Daku

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Is there a version of ispell which recognizes HTML tags and does not
flag them as spelling mistakes ?

TIA
PS: Please mail a copy of your reply to the address below.
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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in .cshrc:
setenv TZ EST

in .emacs:
(set-time-zone-rule "EST")
(setq display-time-day-and-date t
      display-time-12hr-format t)
(display-time)

-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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You need to set an unix environment variable called TZ.  I put the
following in my .cshrc file:
set env TZ EST
-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>
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friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com (Robin Friedrich) writes:

> Since upgrading to 19.14 and the latest GNUS I have been unable to
> post articles due to a configuration error of some kind. It doesn't
> tell me much, just when I C-c C-c to post the article it warns me that
> my system is misconfigured?!?!?

Set `user-mail-address' and `mail-host-address' to appropriate
values. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:

> With mouse keys you click the left button on the start, the right
> button twice on the end, and the area gets deleted.

This is true with FSF emacs.  However, since this is comp.emacs.xemacs,
I assume the poster is using XEmacs.  The button3 binding in XEmacs
brings up a mode-specific menu.

--vin

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
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Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show a new window or
update a display until I give it a "nudge" by hitting a key (eg. an arrow
key). Once when I hit the PgDn key, the window did not change until I did
another PgDn, with the result being I was *two* pages down in the
document. Thus, the key event is not lost - XEmacs just seems to sometimes have
a problem forcing an update to a window.

Anyone else notice this? I've had it happen to me in GNUS, ispell, ange-ftp
buffers and straight file buffers. I'm going to turn off font-lock and
lazy-lock to see if these are causing the problems.

-- 
Brad Howes                          Motorola E-Mail ID: XBH001
EMT Development                     SMTP E-Mail: bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com
Motorola Corporate - MD H1780       Voice: 602 441 1522

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From: Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com>
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I'm wanting to write some benchmarks for emacs, and was wondering if
something already exists, or if someone is working on this already.

Ideas:
   Sorting
   Fontification
   Byte compilation
   Byte code interpretation
   Window Display
      Cursor movement
      Character insertion

-- 
Shane Holder                                 e-mail: holder@rsn.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                               phone:     (214)497-4182
3000 Waterview                           I like you, but not enough to
Richardson, TX 75083                     give you my root password.

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hoffman@albirio (William A. Hoffman) writes:

[snip]
> I get this in the message line:
> 
> Fontifying foo.h... (regexps....) 
> 
> And my emacs just hangs, and I have to kill it.  I did not have this problem
> with xemacs-19.13.

FWIW, this happens to me too. i486-linuxelf, no motif.

-- 
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<URL:http://colargol.idb.hist.no/~toreo/>    All Hail XEmacs!

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From: Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: font lock and tex-mode, some question
Date: 10 Jul 1996 20:22:44 +0200
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	Hi,
	I just try to the font-lock (actualy lazy-lock) mode on a
tex-mode buffer. It look very nice and I like it. However, some colors
do'nt stand out as clearly as I would like (the green and yellow). So
the first question is

How can I change the color used for different types of text (comments,
tex commands and greek ssymbols ...)

Further, I don't want to introduce new colors, because if XEmacs "eat"
too many colors, I will be unable to start a color intensive such as
netscape. So the second question is:

Can I get a list of colors used standardly by XEmacs ?

Finally, there semm to be a bug: the tex source after the % symbol is
interpreted as a comment and displayed in red, which is right, but
after \% the same thing happened, which is wrong, since \% is just the
ordinary %.

	Thank you for your help.

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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Subject: Re: rmime vs. tm
Date: 10 Jul 1996 12:13:06 -0600
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> It certainly seems like rmime could be added to 19.15.  There *must*
> be better MIME support in 19.15 IMHO, and an extra useful package
> wouldn't seem to hurt.  It does not appear to be a total replacement
> for tm though.

Did you try to byte-compile it, by chance?  When I tried with 19.14,
it failed with the msg:

  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))

Ideas?

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|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Delete vs backspace problem. (was Re: Is xemacs better than emacs?)
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Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com> writes:

> >>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
> 
>     Ben> If you load delbackspace, you shouldn't be messing with the
>     Ben> bindings of backspace and delete yourself.  Try deleting all
>     Ben> lines except
>     Ben> (load "delbackspace")
>     Ben> and I'm sure things will improve markedly.
> 
> Unfortunately, my experience doesn't conform with your
> assumption. (load "delbackspace") worked like charm on
> 19.13, and stopped doing the job on 19.14 [for me].

Sadly, I noticed this on ttys (which is where I used delbackspace)
during the 19.14 beta cycle but just commented out the load and never
took time to fully characterize the problem.  I'll try to do so for
19.15.

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|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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In article <31E132B3.2238@fc.hp.com>, Brett Johnson  <brett@fc.hp.com> wrote:
>I've found that disabling lazy font lock mode speeds up the cursor dramatically.
>It must be checking on each keystroke to determine if a new line has become
>visible that it needs to fontify.

Well, thanks, but unfortunately the reproduction path I posted doesn't involve
any kind of font lock mode being turned on and I don't use lazy font lock mode.
You may already realize the first, so I'm just posting to make sure.
   Tim

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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.object.corba
Subject: Any xemacs modes for CORBA IDL?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:28:20 -0400
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Anybody have XEmacs editing/highlighting modes for CORBA's Interface
Definition Language?
-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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From: David Guertin <dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: How does XEmacs/Dired delete files?
Date: 10 Jul 1996 14:03:23 -0500
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Hi.

I have `rm' on my Linux box aliased to Jeff Renicker's Safedelete
program, which sends files to a temporary directory which can then be
emptied periodically.  This allows me to undelete files if I `rm' when
I shouldn't have.

The problem with XEmacs is that it apparently doesn't use `rm' when I
delete files from Dired.  Today I experienced one of those
unpredictable but all too frequent brain farts where I was
manipulating some files using Dired and lost a file that I'd really
rather not have lost :-(.  And since Dired doesn't use `rm', I can't
get it back, Safedelete or no.

My question is this: does XEmacs use some single, identifiable delete
command that I can alias to Safedelete, as I have done with rm?  

(I tried looking through the code to find this, and the best I could
find was the `delete-file' function defined in fileio.c, but the C
code was just a bit beyond the comprehension of this part-time
programmer, and I really couldn't tell what it was doing.)

Cheers,
Dave
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____________________________________________________________________

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University of Nebraska			
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To: "Brent Modzelewski" <brentm@wpi.edu>, <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
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I've found the c++-mode to be quite sufficient for this, so I just force
.idl files into that

Chris McMahan 

----------
> From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
> To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Any xemacs modes for CORBA IDL?
> Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 11:28 AM
> 
> Anybody have XEmacs editing/highlighting modes for CORBA's Interface
> Definition Language?
> -- 
> 	Brent Modzelewski
> 	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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It would be really nice for those of us who are converting from (or
concurrently using) Elm for message mode to read the Elm aliases.text file
for aliases. I really don't want to either convert the aliases file I
already have or to have two aliases files. I still like to use Elm for
various things (particularly since I haven't figured out how to get VM to do
certain things the way I like them (see other messages posted by me in
gnu.emacs.vm.info)). 

-- 
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Sybase MPP Pubs                   | phone: (510) 922-0194

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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: error in rmime 1.2 with Xemacs-19.14 and VM 5.96
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:07:56 -0400
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Frederic Labrosse wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to use RMIME 1.2 with VM 5.96 in Xemacs-19.14 and I always
> get the message
> 
> Invalid read syntax "#"
> 
> when trying to read a mail (MIME encoded or not). Any idea ?
> 

I forgot to say that it seems to append in the following defvar in
rmime.el:

(defvar rmime-arrow #("-->" 0 3 (face rmime-arrow-face))
  "*Arrow indicator used during MIME play")

Frederic
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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: error in rmime 1.2 with Xemacs-19.14 and VM 5.96
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I'm trying to use RMIME 1.2 with VM 5.96 in Xemacs-19.14 and I always
get the message

Invalid read syntax "#"

when trying to read a mail (MIME encoded or not). Any idea ?

Frederic
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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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Subject: Re: Going very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy
Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:10:37 -0400
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	<wjypw6dgv8q.fsf@cssun3.corp.mot.com> <4rjgj8$qgk@cocoa.brown.edu>
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tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller) writes:
How do you get this 
In article <31E132B3.2238@fc.hp.com>, Brett Johnson  <brett@fc.hp.com> wrote:
I know its supercite or something?? But could someone help me with what I should put in .emacs ...e.tc

Thanks
- Sobhan
> 
> In article <31E132B3.2238@fc.hp.com>, Brett Johnson  <brett@fc.hp.com> wrote:
> >I've found that disabling lazy font lock mode speeds up the cursor dramatically.
> >It must be checking on each keystroke to determine if a new line has become
> >visible that it needs to fontify.
> 
> Well, thanks, but unfortunately the reproduction path I posted doesn't involve
> any kind of font lock mode being turned on and I don't use lazy font lock mode.
> You may already realize the first, so I'm just posting to make sure.
>    Tim

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From: tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller)
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Subject: sending mail from vm in 19.14 leaves defunct processes
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Every time I send mail from xemacs, either from vm (by bringing up vm with the
toolbar icon, followed by typing "m", or by replying, or whatever) or by
M-x mail there is a defunct process left around. They show up in ps, and not in
(process-list). The other day there were so many they filled up my process
table, which is how I noticed it. I tried calling sendmail through
eval-expression of the call-process-region command that sendmail-send-it would
invoke, and that did not leave a defunct process (but did send the mail). This
is happening on hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.10. Any clues?
   Tim

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@vnet.ibm.com>
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Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr> writes:
> How can I change the color used for different types of text (comments,
> tex commands and greek ssymbols ...)

Font-lock uses a set of standard face names by default.  To see what
they are, do "C-h a font-lock-.*-face$".  You can use
set-face-foreground (and it's brethren: try "C-h a ^set-face-") to
customise these faces.

Now, TeX-mode might be using it's own face names--if so, you'll need
to modify those faces.

> Can I get a list of colors used standardly by XEmacs ?

Evaluating the following form will give you a list of currently used
colors.  

(let ((faces (face-list)))
  (remove-duplicates (mapcar 'color-name 
			     (append (mapcar 'face-foreground faces)
				     (mapcar 'face-background faces)))))
-Sudish

PS: In trying to remove the let (for no good reason) I came up with
the following quasimodean code.  I'd be grateful to anyone who shows
me The Right Way to do this.  I.e., get rid of the (reduce 'append
...) w/o calling face-list twice?

(remove-duplicates
 (mapcar 'color-name
	 (reduce 'append (mapcar
			  (function (lambda (face)
				      (list (face-foreground face)
					    (face-background face))))
			  (face-list)))))

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(global-set-key "\C-x54" 'set-auto-mode)

I've been trying different ways to bind set-auto-mode
to \C-x 54 but it isn't working. Xemacs 19.14
says "Wrong type argument: commandp, set-auto-mode".

Is this because set-auto-mode is a byte-compiled function
and I need to bind it to a key differently?

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From: Anthony Whitehouse <apw@hpfcapw.fc.hp.com>
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I am using  VM 5.96 (beta) along with xemacs 19-14 (on HPUX 9.07).  
Before I moved up to these releases, I was able to use gzip'ed folders 
to save my mail.  With what I had under 19.13, I had to open gzip'ed folders
to be able to save to them.  I had understood that this would be fixed, but 
now I can't save to the gzip'ed folders at all.

Any suggestions?

Thanks, 
Anthony

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <xgtafx9z3ci.fsf@hamsadhwani.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Sobhan  Padamati <spadamat@fore.com> writes:

> is there some variable which we can set so that we cna get sound 
> though we run from a remote m/c
Don't know. Do you have netaudio?

>...and also the setenv's in .login are not read
Yep, .login is only read when you login to a machine, not when you rsh to
it. However, .cshrc (or equivalent) is read every time you start a shell,
so put the vars there. As a rule of thumb, put ony terminal-related
settings in .login

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From: Rick Baartman <krab@triumf.ca>
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I just got a text file by e-mail from some guy's PC. All the returns
show up as ^M and apostrophes show up as \222 in xemacs. In other
applications they show up as still other things. Is there such a thing
as a translation code?

Thanx
--rick

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>>>>> "BH" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

    BH> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show
    BH> a new window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by
    BH> hitting a key (eg. an arrow key).

What window manager are you using?  I have seen this problem only with
some earlier 19.14 betas and fvwm 2.0.42.  I have not seen it yet with
the 19.14 release and fvwm 2.0.42, but I know that others have.  I've
seen reports on both the fvwm mailing list and the XEmacs beta list
that it occurs with other window managers.  I don't think anybody's
verified whether its a XEmacs bug, Fvwm bug, some combination, or
what.

-Barry

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From: "W. Wang" <wang@mana.eecs.uic.edu>
Subject: Undefinde Symbol
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
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I am trying to compile the Xemacs 19.14 in my SUN Sparc IPX machine.
I have SunOS4.1.4, X11R6, and gcc-2.7.2  I am not using the openwindow
in my machine.
I use the following command to configure the Makefile

./configure sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4 --with-x --x-includes=/usr/local/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/local/X11R6/lib --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --prefix=/usr/local/gnuR6 --with-toolbars --with-xpm --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png --with-database=dbm --with-xmu --with-sound=nas --native-sound-lib=/usr/local/X11R6/lib

The following is the compiling error I got.

make[2]: Leaving directory `/mana3/home/ai/wang/tmp/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
gcc -g -O      -L/usr/local/X11R6/lib  -L/usr/local/lib -static                   -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o    nas.o           objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o   redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o        toolb!
 ar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexsunos4.o     console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o     window.o tparam.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -laudio                  -llw -lXaw -lXpm  -ljpeg -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                 -ltermcap           -lgdbm  -ldb   -lg   -lm         
collect2: ld returned 2 exit status
ld: Undefined symbol 
   _XtStrings 
   _XauGetBestAuthByAddr 
   __XEditResCheckMessages 
   _XtShellStrings 
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mana3/home/ai/wang/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 1


I doubt that the error happens because of X11R6.  Could anybody tell me what should 
I do about it?

Weihsin Wang                                     

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What is emacs most feature?

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uknt@micro.lucent.com writes:

Seeing the same thing with X11R6, SunOS 4.1.3C, and compiled
distribution.  Please help?

--
mark holbrook
AMI semiconductor.  I had a cool one, but mom said "No sigs!".

> 
> XEmacs 19.14, X11R5 (MIT not OpenWindows), no Motif, SunOS 4.1.4, gcc 2.6.3
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/opt/xemacs/19_14 --cflags=-O3 --with-dialogs=lucid
>  <...snip...>


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Thomas M. Browder, Jr. (t&m@destin.gulfnet.com) wrote:
: I got Xemacs-19.14 compiled under Irix 5.3 on an SGI Indigo, and I have
: the current xpm library, but I still get the warning window and continuous
: warning messages about not being able to instantiate the xemacs bitmap.
: None of the toolbar bitmaps load. But when I use gdb, the debugger
: bitmaps load fine! I have had no such trouble with my Linux installation.
: 
: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I tried building on IRIX 5.3 with the new libXpm and get no warnings
but no bitmaps are displayed.

-- 
albert chin (RC cola)

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: BUG REPORT pretty print XEmacs 19.14 and solairs 2.5
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Hello all,

I would like to report a bug that I have found in the precompiled binaries.

When I pretty print a buffer I get the errors in my tty that launched xemacs,
The errors are listed at the end.

Machine:  Sparc5
OS:       Solaris 2.5
Xemacs:   19.14 precompiled.  <- only gnus has been upgraded.
printer:  hp5si               <- Real nice printer.

HELP??
My printer thinks everything is text as well.  It does not recognize
the postscript header that is in the file either.  But I think that's
because bad postscript is being generated.

If it helps can someone tell me how to send the print job to file
so that I can check the poscript code that it generates??

But there is definitely and error with pretty print.  Actually I think
there are a lot of errors all regarding face information this is just
the first one I have found.

Errors:

xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  3752
  Current serial number in output stream:  3752
 
xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  3791
  Current serial number in output stream:  3791
 
xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  3830
  Current serial number in output stream:  3830
 
xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  4861
  Current serial number in output stream:  4861
 
xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  4900
  Current serial number in output stream:  4900
 
xemacs-19.14: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  17 (X_GetAtomName)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  4939
  Current serial number in output stream:  4939

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From: Alex Lefaive <alexl@granite.eng.sun.com>
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Subject: Re: compilation hangs for 29 seconds
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edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

I've seen this same behavior since I starting using XEmacs (19.11 I
think). The "Compilation finished" message would not show up
immediately, but if I moved the mouse into the window, then it would
display. Annoying.

I've run 19.{11,12,13} on Solaris 2.4 and 19.{13,14} on Solaris 2.5

> 
> About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for exactly 29
> seconds before reporting "compilation finished". Obviously a timeout.
> Any hints for diagnosing this? I am on AIX4, using 19.13 & .14.
> Using bash as my shell.

-- 
R. Alex Lefaive alex.lefaive@sun.com

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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> >>>>> "BH" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
> 
>     BH> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show
>     BH> a new window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by
>     BH> hitting a key (eg. an arrow key).
> 
> What window manager are you using?  I have seen this problem only with
> some earlier 19.14 betas and fvwm 2.0.42.  I have not seen it yet with
> the 19.14 release and fvwm 2.0.42, but I know that others have.  I've
> seen reports on both the fvwm mailing list and the XEmacs beta list
> that it occurs with other window managers.  I don't think anybody's
> verified whether its a XEmacs bug, Fvwm bug, some combination, or
> what.

I've seen it with every XEmacs I've built throughout the 19.13 and 19.14
beta cycles, and with the prebuilt binaries of the 19.13 and 19.14
releases.

I've been using Solaris 2.5, CDE 1.0.1 for some time, but I'm pretty
sure I used to see it back when I used OpenWounds on Solaris 1 as well.

I see it so often I'm used to using C-l just to wake the thing up.

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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From: briand@northwest.com (Brian Denheyer)
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In article <omvifxm8w8.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
	Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
>Because the image contains dumped elisp bytecode (and other elisp objects).

Of course, this means that  my currently stripped version of 19.13
shouldn't work,  right ??

If there is bytecode in there that's been stripped shouldn't I be
having all sorts of problems (which I'm not, he typed into his xemacs
19.13 gnuclient window).

-- 
Brian Denheyer
briand@northwest.com


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From: scott@partech.com (Scott Barrett)
Subject: Re: Any xemacs modes for CORBA IDL?

At 2:28 PM 7/10/96, Brent Modzelewski wrote:
>Anybody have XEmacs editing/highlighting modes for CORBA's Interface
>Definition Language?

I use c++-mode to handle indentation and added IDL keyword support to a set
of expanded C++ regexps for font locking (in 19.13).  I haven't yet ported
my C++ font lock regexps for 19.14.  I can't get to those files right now,
but I can get to them next week if you're interested.  (I sent a bug report
to the cc-mode author in which I also inquired about the possibility of
adding IDL support to cc-mode, but never received a response.)

- Scott



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From: Thomas Pundt <pundtt@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
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Subject: Re: GNUS 5 post configuration error
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friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com (Robin Friedrich) writes:
| 
| Since upgrading to 19.14 and the latest GNUS I have been unable to
| post articles due to a configuration error of some kind. It doesn't
| tell me much, just when I C-c C-c to post the article it warns me that
| my system is misconfigured?!?!?:-( Reading news is fine. I have no

maybe setting mail-host-address to your mail host address in your
.emacs might help?

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XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

i experience a new(?), annoying behaviour in compile: if make descends
the source tree to issue a new make, xemacs gets lost

that is, if i have a subdirectory libsrc, containing the incorrect
source asdef.c, and make does a 'cd libsrc; make', when i do C-x` then
xemacs asks me for the filename to visit, offering a _wrong_ default,
that is the file asdef.c in the top directory

xemacs used to go straight to the erroneous file without asking

if i inadvertently use the default, then xemacs is lost even more,
because if i subsequently use C-x`, then xemacs tells me "No more
errors" (and errors are there), if i use button2 xemacs tells me
"Marker does not point anywhere"

i notice that an explicit "cd libsrc ; make" is present in the
compilation buffer, just before the compiler invocation that is in
error



any help appreciated, tia


						gb

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Hi,

I've just started using toolbar compile. Great idea to just click on an error
and go to the correct line. However, if the file is already in a buffer, when I
click on the error XEmacs opens a new frame every time. Not what I want. (I have
"always create new frame" set, as this is the behaviour I want when I open a new
file.) How can I get XEmacs to raise the correct frame instead?

Similar; if a compile frame is open, recompiling cause another new frame. Again
I'd just like the old frame to be raised.

Thanks,
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From: Remko Dannis <etmreda@etm.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: bind the number-pad 5 key
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:01:16 +0200
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Joseph McDonald wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to bind the number-5 key on the keypad?
> It works fine when not using X, but under X, I just get a
> space whne I do a ctrl-v.  I find that having this key bound
> to 'buffer-menu-other-window is very handy.  It would also
> be nice if we could bind the "+" and "enter" keys on the
> keypad as well.  This is xemacs 19.14
> 
> Thanks,
> -joe

Try this:

(global-set-key [f31] 'some-function)


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Hello,

how can I tell my xemacs to show me the last entry I made in the
minibuffer if I press the arrow-up key ??
There are some interactive functions like "next-history-element",
but though I don't know anything about lisp and the xemacs internals
I need some help.
Who has a solved this problem ????

Tnx Jens 
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I have the same feeling...

XEmacs 19.14 is much, much slower than 19.13!

19.14 was compiled with X11R6.1, on SunOS 4.1.4, Sparc-Station-20, gcc 2.7.2

--- Ricky.

>>>>> "Mark" == missing link <holbrook@buzzard.poci.amis.com> writes:

  Mark: uknt@micro.lucent.com writes:
  Mark: Seeing the same thing with X11R6, SunOS 4.1.3C, and compiled
  Mark: distribution.  Please help?

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  :: XEmacs 19.14, X11R5 (MIT not OpenWindows), no Motif, SunOS 4.1.4, gcc 2.6.3
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: How to turn off dialog boxes?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:57:03 +0200
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Glenn Proctor wrote:

> On a realted note, is there any way to turn off the file browser?

I put this in my .emacs:

	(global-set-key 'f3 'find-file)

By this the modeline will be used. Try to bind the find-file function to
the menu. If you did this I would by also very interested, because I
think the File Dialog is shit.

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>>>>> "Troy" == Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov> writes:

>> > I'm using XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3.  When I try to get a file >
>> from a VAX running VMS using ange-ftp, I can initially read > and
>> write without problems.  After a while, the FTP > connection times
>> out, and the connection is closed.  After > this, if I try to save a
>> file with C-x C-s or C-x s, no > errors are issued, but the file
>> isn't saved.  Looking at the > *ftp user@node* buffer, a put is
>> issued (which fails with No > connection) and no attempt is made to
>> reopen the connection.

Troy> [...]
Troy> If I (setq debug-on-error t) and try to save it with C-x C-w, I get
Troy> this traceback:

Troy> ----START TRACEBACK---- Signalling: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
Troy>   ange-ftp-real-file-symlink-p("/home/tdaniels/.netrc")
Troy>   ange-ftp-chase-symlinks("/home/tdaniels/.netrc")
Troy>   ange-ftp-parse-netrc() ange-ftp-get-passwd("fnald" "tdaniels")
Troy>   ange-ftp-get-process("fnald" "tdaniels") ange-ftp-host-type("fnald"
Troy>   "tdaniels") ange-ftp-expand-dir("fnald" "tdaniels" "~")
Troy>   ange-ftp-canonize-filename("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC")
Troy>   expand-file-name("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC")
Troy>   file-directory-p("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC") #<compiled-function (from
Troy>   "files.elc") (filename &optional confirm) "...(70)"
Troy>   [mouse-grabbed-buffer error "Can't write minibuffer window" filename
Troy>   "" file-directory-p buffer-file-name file-name-as-directory
Troy>   file-name-nondirectory confirm file-exists-p y-or-n-p format "File
Troy>   `%s' exists; overwrite? " "Canceled" set-visited-file-name
Troy>   set-buffer-modified-p t nil buffer-read-only save-buffer] 4 688526
Troy>   (list (if buffer-file-name ... ...) t)>("/@fnald:CDFXXX.KUMAC" t)
Troy>   call-interactively(write-file)
Troy> ----END TRACEBACK----

I have exactly  the same problem  with 'ange-ftp-real-file-symlink-p' on top of
the debug stack when attempting to do a write-file to an ftp address. Usually I
have to open  the ftp  connection with a   find-file which results  in the same
error and then everything works fine. This did not happen under 19.13.

Oscar

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From: Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Showing html mails automatically with VM ?
Date: 11 Jul 1996 14:48:29 +0200
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>>>>> "Markus" == Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

Markus> With W3 one can send mails in html format. If i read this mails with VM
Markus> i only get the source file. Is there a way to automatically show this
Markus> mails formatted ( with W3)?

If your message is correctly built (I mean in MIME format with all the
appropriate headers), TM associated to VM can decode it (even if it's
multipart). Under my configuration it sends the HTML part to Netscape but it
sure can launch w3 instead.

Regards,

Oscar

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From: tombros@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Tombros)
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Subject: Greek mode for xemacs
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I currently use emacs 19.27 for editing Greek text. Since I now
switched to xemacs 19.14 for all my editing needs (primarily Latex)
I would prefer to use it also for Greek text editing. Unfortunately
the greek mode of emacs is broken under xemacs and at the moment I 
don't have the time to try and fix it. Is there somebody out there who has
solved this problem? I was using the greek mode by Sarantos Kapidakis
before.

Many thanks in advance!

Dimitris.

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From: tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Going very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy
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In article <vwvifyid9j.fsf@mina.sr.hp.com>,
Darryl Okahata  <darrylo@sr.hp.com> wrote:
>[ This won't help with the slowness, but this will, under HP-UX, get rid
>  of the annoying cursor that keeps on moving after you release the
>  arrow key. ]
>
>     Under HP-UX, I discovered that SIGIO-driven input wasn't working
>properly (it wasn't working at all).  Once I bashed XEmacs into
>submission, the annoying moving-cursor-after-key-release problem went
>away.  The slowness is still there, and the cursor display is a bit
>jerkier than before, but at least the cursor stops moving after
>releasing the key.

Um, interestingly, your patch fixes my problem (posted in another thread) where
sending mail leaves defunct processes, but for the problem in this thread the
cursor still keeps moving after I let go of it and this patch doesn't seem to
help. But thanks for fixing one problem at least!
   Tim

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: new xemacs user:  This is confusing!
Date: 11 Jul 1996 15:15:08 +0200
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Vinnie Shelton (shelton@icd.teradyne.com) wrote:
> dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:
> > With mouse keys you click the left button on the start, the right
> > button twice on the end, and the area gets deleted.
> 
> This is true with FSF emacs.  However, since this is comp.emacs.xemacs,
> I assume the poster is using XEmacs.  The button3 binding in XEmacs
> brings up a mode-specific menu.

And you can get the same in XEmacs mouse-selecting the region and
clickin on 'Cut' icon on the toolbar -- no keystrokes at all (for
those who like the mouse).

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: History for the minibuffer ????????
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:31:43 -0700
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Jens Goetz wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> how can I tell my xemacs to show me the last entry I made in the
> minibuffer if I press the arrow-up key ??

Put 

(require 'chistory)

(define-key minibuffer-local-map 'up 'previous-history-element)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map 'down 'next-history-element)

somewhere into your .emacs file.

I thought this should be default in XEmacs 19.14???

Bye,
Thomas

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@vnet.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs Hiccups
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Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show a new
> window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by hitting a key

> Anyone else notice this? I've had it happen to me in GNUS

It seems to happen to me just about everytime I start GNUS.  It seems
to block after displaying the gnu and before opening the connection to
the news server.  Feels very much like a sit-for gone crazy.

-Sudish

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From: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: func-menu slowness
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Konstantin Ignatiev wrote:
 >
 > func-menu is really slow, but on the other hand it is a cool
 > feature. Does anyone know what makes it so slow and if there
 > is any way to make things faster? I didn't have time yet to look
 
I found function-menu too slow (in xemacs 19.13) so I hacked a version of
x-func-menu.el from FSF Emacs to work with xemacs. It computes the function
menu on the fly and much more quickly than function-menu (I've been using Sparc 10's and 20's).
When attached to a mouse command, it also opens the menu where the mouse cursor
is, a big win over function menu.

I'm attaching it to this menu in case anyone is interested.

It works best for lisp, tcl, and C++; patterns for K&R C are broken.
Enjoy.

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;; Maintainer: atlantis@cs.tuberlin
;; original code by: Brian King <ender@ee.wpi.edu>
;; Version: 1.01
;;
;; This file is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without the implied warranty
;; of MECHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  You are free to
;; append, maim, or otherwise modify it under the restriction that the history
;; and this paragraph are not removed.
;;
;;
;; The x-func-menu module gives the user the long needed ability to jump around
;; to functions within a C file.
;;
;; You can interactively toggle the behaviour of showing parameters and/or
;; type of the function with from the menu
;; or you can initialize the behaviour by setting
;;       x-func-show-type
;;	 x-func-show-para
;;	 x-func-KnR
;; to t or nil in c-mode-hook
;;
;;
;; Main function is
;;    x-func-menu(arg)
;;
;;      You should map this function to a mouse button with the following code
;;      in your $HOME/.emacs file :
;;        (setq c-mode-hook
;;          '(lambda ()
;;              ...
;;             (if (eq window-system 'x)
;;               (progn
;;                 (local-set-key [S-down-mouse-1] 'x-func-menu)
;;                 (require 'x-func-menu)))
;;              ...
;;        ))
;;
;;      the same can be done for c++-mode-hook
;;
;; Handles ANSI functions properly
;;  int funcA(char arg1, float arg2, ...)
;;  { }
;; or
;;  int funcB(void,...){
;;  ... }
;;
;; RESTRICTIONS (all K&R-C):
;;
;; * K&R-functions must not be preceded by functionprototypes, there
;;   has to be at least one empty line.
;;     e.g.
;;          int foo ( a, b) int a; int b;
;;          /* empty line */
;;          char * blabber(...){ ... }
;;
;; * K&R functionnames preceded by brackets in the functiontypedeklaration
;;   aren't interpreted correctly
;;
;; HISTORY:
;;
;; 12-Jan-94 ender@ee.wpi.edu       Creation; death-count set to 102;
;;                                  Handles ANSI functions only
;; 13-Jan-94 ender@ee.wpi.edu       Handles most K&R functions; Better docs
;;
;; 18-Jan-94 atlantis@cs.tu-berlin.de
;;                                - adapted and enhanced foer emacs19 and
;;                                  c++-mode,
;;                                - K&R-C can be toggled
;;                                - showing of functiontype and -parameters
;;                                  (even K&R)
;;                                - displaying the behaviour in the menu
;;                                - x-mouse package not necessary
;;                                  but now requires c++-mode, but only for
;;                                  c++-beginning-of-defun. which handles
;;                                  deklarations that don't have the
;;                                  parentheses at the beginning of the next
;;                                  line but on the end of the same line.
;;                                  If your xy-beginning-of-defun function
;;                                  does the same thing you can replace it.




(defvar funcs nil)

(defvar x-func-show-type nil)
(defvar x-func-show-para nil)
(defvar x-func-KnR nil)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'x-func-show-type)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'x-func-show-para)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'x-func-KnRx-func-show-type)

(defvar *x-func-panel-height* 40)

(defun x-func-toggle-type ()
  (interactive)
  (setq x-func-show-type (not x-func-show-type)))

(defun x-func-toggle-para ()
  (interactive)
  (setq x-func-show-para (not x-func-show-para)))

(defun x-func-toggle-KnR ()
  (interactive)
  (setq x-func-KnR (not x-func-KnR)))

(defun x-func-position (point)
  (goto-char point)
  (reposition-window)
  )

(defun x-func-menu (event)
  "Pop up a menu of the functions within buffer for selection with the mouse."
  (interactive "e")
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-max))
    ;; Find our first function (last one in the buffer)
    (setq fcn-name (get-func-name))
    (if (null fcn-name)
	(message "no funcs ???")
      (setq funcs
	    (list
	     (vector (if x-func-show-type
			 "* hide type *"
		       "* show type *")
		     '(x-func-toggle-type)
		     :active t)
	     (vector (if x-func-show-para
			 "* hide parameters *"
		       "* show parameters *")
		     '(x-func-toggle-para)
		     :active t)
	     "-------"))
      (if (member major-mode '(c++-mode c-mode))
	  (setq funcs
		(cons (vector (if x-func-KnR
				  "* switch to ANSI-C*"
				"* switch to K&R-C *")
			      '(x-func-toggle-KnR)
			      :active t)
		      funcs))
	)
      (setq funcs (cons "--- control display ---" funcs))
	  

      ;; Insert our last function into our function list
      (setq rfuncs (list (vector fcn-name (list 'x-func-position (point)) :active t)))

      (setq death-count 1000)

      (while (and (setq fcn-name (get-func-name))
		  (> (setq death-count (1- death-count)) 0))
	(if (not (null fcn-name))
	    (setq rfuncs (cons (vector fcn-name (list 'x-func-position
						      (point)) :active t) rfuncs))))
      (setq rfuncs (sort rfuncs '(lambda (a b) (string< (if (stringp a) a (aref a 0))
							(if (stringp b) b (aref b 0))))))

      (if (> (length rfuncs) *x-func-panel-height*)
	  (let* ((panes nil)
		 (pane nil)
		 (rfuncs (reverse rfuncs))
		 (l (+ 1 (/ (length rfuncs) *x-func-panel-height*)))
		 (h (/ (length rfuncs) l))
		 (i 0)
		 (fn nil)
		 q)
	    (while rfuncs
	      (if (>= i h)
		  (progn
		    (push i q)
		    (push (cons (aref fn 0) pane) panes)
		    (setq pane nil)
		    (setq i 0)
		    )
		(setq i (+ i 1))
		)
	      (setq fn (car rfuncs))
	      (push (pop rfuncs) pane)
	      )
	    (push (cons (format "%s" (aref fn 0)) pane) panes)
	    (setq funcs (append funcs panes))
					;(message "%d %d %d %s %d" (length funcs) l h q i)
	    )
	(setq funcs (append funcs rfuncs))
	)

      ;; Let's insert our menu prompt
      (if (member major-mode '(c++-mode c-mode))
	  (push (format " %s function %s %s"
			(if x-func-KnR "K&R" "ANSI")
			(if x-func-show-type "<type>" "")
			(if x-func-show-type "(<parameters>) " ""))
		funcs)
	(push (format "%s functions" mode-name) funcs))
      (setq g funcs)
      ;; Goto the function the user picks from the menu
      )
    (popup-menu funcs)
    )
  )

(defun get-func-name nil
  (case major-mode
    ((c++-mode c-mode) (c++-get-func-name))
    ((fi:common-lisp-mode fi:emacs-lisp-mode emacs-lisp-mode common-lisp-mode lisp-mode)
     (lisp-get-func-name))
    (tcl-mode (tcl-get-func-name))
    )
  )


;; get-func-name returns :
;;   the function name     if no errors occured
;;   nil                   if an error occured (reached the start of buffer)
;; Moves the point to first character of the function name or
;; the beginning of the buffer on error

(defun c++-get-func-name ()
  "get-func-name returns the name of the current function the point is in
   and it moves the point to the beginning of the name of the function"

  (beginning-of-line)

;  (beginning-of-defun)	 ;that would' better be done by c++-mode commands
  (c++-beginning-of-defun)
  (if (eq (point) (point-min))
      nil				; We failed. (At beginning of buffer)
    (setq last-parenth-at-bol (looking-at "{"))

    (if (not last-parenth-at-bol)
	(skip-chars-forward "^{"))

    (if x-func-KnR
	(progn
	  (if (not(re-search-backward "}\\|\\(^[ \t\n]+\\)"
				      (point-min) t))
	      (goto-char (point-min)))
	  (skip-chars-forward "^(")
	  (forward-sexp)
	  ))
    (if x-func-show-para
	(skip-chars-backward "^)")
      (backward-sexp))

   (setq end-pos (point))

   (if x-func-show-para			;skip the parameterlist
       (backward-sexp))

   (backward-sexp)
   (skip-chars-backward "^ \t\n)*")

   (if x-func-show-type
       (beginning-of-line))

   (buffer-substring (point) end-pos)


))



(defun tcl-get-func-name ()
  "get-func-name returns the name of the current function the point is in
   and it moves the point to the beginning of the name of the function"
  (condition-case nil
      (progn
	(if x-func-show-para
	    (re-search-backward "^\\(proc\\s-+\\(\\sw\\|[-_.]\\)*.*\\)$")
	  (re-search-backward "^proc\\s-+\\(\\(\\sw\\|[-_.]\\)*\\)")
	  )
	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
	)
    (error nil)
    )
  )


(defun lisp-get-func-name ()
  "get-func-name returns the name of the current function the point is in
   and it moves the point to the beginning of the name of the function"
  (condition-case nil
      (progn
	(if x-func-show-para
	    (re-search-backward "^\\((def\\sw*\\s-+\\(\\sw\\|[-]\\)*.*\\)$")
	  (re-search-backward "^(def\\sw*\\s-+\\(\\(\\sw\\|[-+*]\\)*\\)")
	  )
	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
	)
    (error nil)
    )
  )

(provide 'x-func-menu)

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,gnu.emacs.vm.info,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: rmime vs. tm
Date: 11 Jul 1996 17:24:20 +0200
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>>>>> Harald Meland <meland@sp050.cern.ch>:

> I'm using RMIME instead of tm for the following reasons:

> 	* tm is _very poorly_ documented IMHO,

True.

>         so if it doesn't do
> 	  what you want right away, you _do_ have a problem :( It did
> 	  not do what I wanted it to (Causing all kinds of strange
> 	  behaviour when replying with insert). 

What do you mean by "replying with insert"?  Yanking the message
you're replying to?

This was actually the reason I changed from VM+rmime to mh-e+tm last
summer.  I wanted to reply to messages sent from Pine, with a
base64-encoded text/plain part.

Of the alternatives I tried, tm (in mh-e, that is) was the only one
that did this correctly.

> 	* Also IMHO, tm is a real b****rd to install (correctly, that
> 	  is). 

It's getting better.  The earlier ones were real bastards.

> 	* Just the idea of making a major mode for decoding MIME (Like
> 	  tm does) seems to me like the Wrong Thing to do.

Well, it certainly makes interoperation with VM and rmail harder.

> 	  It all becomes much more complicated than needed.

Remember that complete MIME support *is* complicated.  rmime is not
complete.  If it tried to be, it would become complicated.

> 	* When it comes to actual merits of the two packages, I don't
> 	  really know much more than that they both handle
> 	  quoted-printable (which is the main reason why I need any
> 	  MIME support at all, coming from a country using 'strange
> 	  letters' :). Does anybody else have anything to say on this?


I found tm to be far more trustworthy (last summer).  The one thing I
*really* like about it, is that with mh-e+tm or Gnus+tm, I can toggle
between the raw message, and the decoded messages.  That means you can
extract stuff from buggy MIME, or MIME constructs the MIME decoder
don't understand (with VM, the only option open, was to edit the inbox
directly).

I also found tm far more streamlined in its handling of attachments
(naturally, because of the design decision of rmime).

That said, if you're planning to stay with VM then I think rmime is
the best alternative for the time being.  For mh-e or Gnus, tm is far
superior (as well as bigger, and incredibly more complex).


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Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
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>>>>> Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>:

> I encounter similar problems with Gnus.  If I am reading a vanilla
> article I can use the command "gnus-article-refer-article" to get to
> the message referred to by the ID under the point.  But not if the
> message was MIME encoded.

This may help you (from my ~/.emacs)

(add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook
	  (lambda()
	    (setq gnus-visible-headers
		  (concat gnus-visible-headers
			  "\\|^Message-Id:\\|^References:"))
	    ))

(not sure if gnus-startup-hook is the right hook for 5.1 (Gnus with
vanilla 19.31), I'm running 5.2.33 currently)

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After upgrading to version XEmacs 19.14 I've noticed a very slow behavior
when typing.  I can get up to 10 or more keystrokes in before XEmacs 
catches up. Has anyone noticed this behavior or found a solution for this?

I'm using the precompiled binaries for the HP-UX 9.05.

Thanks for any help,

Jeff

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From: Brent Goodrick <brent.goodrick@amd.com>
Subject: Xemacs-19.14: remapping mouse button 3 in mail composition
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Hi,

I have mapped C-x m to "vm-mail", so that I can take advantage of VM
mail during composition of mail.  I thought I could pull off a hook or
something to remap the right mouse button (button 3) to be what I'm
used to in other Sun windows (pastes selection).  I tried this stunt
in my .emacs to no avail:

(setq vm-mode-hook
  '(lambda ()
     (define-key vm-mode-map  [(button3)] 'x-set-point-and-insert-selection)
))

I also tried "mail-mode" as a replacement for "vm-mode" above, but I
see that the button3 is still mapped to popup-mode-menu, which I never
use (I use key strokes for almost everything because it is quicker
most of the time).

I think I know where in the lisp code for the VM package the button3
is being mapped, but I don't know how to find out which "hook" is executed
AFTER this key event mapping is set.  The .el file
in  .../lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/vm/vm-menu.el has this fragment of code:

(defun vm-menu-install-mail-mode-menu ()
  (cond ((vm-menu-xemacs-menus-p)
	 ;; mail-mode doesn't have mode-popup-menu bound to
	 ;; mouse-3 by default.  fix that.
	 (define-key vm-mail-mode-map 'button3 'popup-mode-menu)
	 ;; put menu on menubar also.
	 (if (vm-menu-xemacs-global-menubar)
	     (progn
	       (set-buffer-menubar
		(copy-sequence (vm-menu-xemacs-global-menubar)))
	       (add-menu nil "Mail" (cdr vm-menu-mail-menu))))
	 t )
	((vm-menu-fsfemacs-menus-p)
	 ;; I'd like to do this, but the result is a combination
	 ;; of the Emacs and VM Mail menus glued together.
	 ;; Poorly.
	 ;;(define-key vm-mail-mode-map [menu-bar mail]
	 ;;  (cons "Mail" vm-menu-fsfemacs-mail-menu))
	 (define-key vm-mail-mode-map [down-mouse-3]
	   'vm-menu-popup-mode-menu))))

So, what is the magic I should use here to map the right mouse button
to some lisp function?

Thanks
Brent



-- 
Brent Goodrick
Product Development Engineering
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
text email:              brent.goodrick@amd.com
ISOPRO/HTML email:       bgk@pcdmail.amd.com

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From: Kevin Oberman <oberman@ptavv.es.net>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem with ESCAPE key definition in TPU-EDT
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Since starting to use 19.14, I have hit a problem with the definition
of the escape key in TPU-EDT. It does a (global-set-key  [escape]
'tpu-insert-escape) which then starts reporting errors that I can't
define M-$ when I try to spell-check. If I comment out the line, I no
longer get the error, but I'd like to have the TPU function work
correctly.

I suspect that this is a result of the changes in escape key
processing in 19.14. Anyone have a quick fix?
-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

>>>>> "BH" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

BH> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show
BH> a new window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by
BH> hitting a key (eg. an arrow key).

BAW> What window manager are you using?  I have seen this problem only with
BAW> some earlier 19.14 betas and fvwm 2.0.42.

I have also seen this but only when I run Gnus, and that is
regardless of if I run it in X or not (I mostly don't run X
yet because of lack of memory). Gnus sometimes stop just before
it's about to show the Group buffer and then a hit of a key or
a mouseclick (in X) will help it get going.



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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: How does XEmacs/Dired delete files?
Date: 11 Jul 1996 09:19:25 -0700
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>>>> 'David Guertin (dguertin@unlinfo.unl.edu)' asked the following:
[snip]
 DG> My question is this: does XEmacs use some single, identifiable delete
 DG> command that I can alias to Safedelete, as I have done with rm?

Not if delete-file is used. The C code calls the Unix system function unlink(),
not a configurable executable like '/bin/rm'.

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>>>>> "BD" == Brian Denheyer <briand@northwest.com> writes:

BD> 	Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
>> Because the image contains dumped elisp bytecode (and other elisp objects).

BD> Of course, this means that  my currently stripped version of 19.13
BD> shouldn't work,  right ??

No, but it does mean that your "stripped" version of 19.13 is probably
not really stripped, because it cannot be stripped, because that data
comes after the data that strip would lop off.

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From: missing link <holbrook@buzzard.poci.amis.com>
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Subject: Xemacs 19.14 endless loop when exiting Openwindows
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Has anyone else seen Xemacs 19.14 (compiled distribution) go into an
endless loop when Openwindows (version 3 SunOS 4.x) is exited with
Xemacs still up.  The "...killed client (broken pipe).." error
repeatedly displays to the console and uses so much cpu time, remote
login is very slow.

Thanks,  mark...

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From: rhogee@Skye.cs.dal.ca (Peter Galbraith)
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Subject: [Q] Making menus with lambdas
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I'm converting some emacs elsip to XEmacs, and need to create a menu
with lambda expressions:

This works well enough:
  (setq gri-menubar
    '("Gri" ("Format/Syntax" 
       ["Set gri version to use"        gri-version t]
       ["Display version of gri/info"   gri-what-version t])))

But I also have sections where the function doesn't really exist.
I need something like:
       ("InfoTopics"
	["While Statements" (lambda () 
			      (interactive)(require 'info)
			      (Info-goto-node "(gri)While")) t]

When I do this, the menu entry is created, but the menu entry doesn't `do'
anything.
How can I do this?
Must I create a function for each entry?  Or can I insert a lambda expression
somehow?

Thanks!
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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "SB" == Scott Barrett <scott@partech.com> writes:

    SB> (I sent a bug report to the cc-mode author in which I also
    SB> inquired about the possibility of adding IDL support to
    SB> cc-mode, but never received a response.)

Odd, I don't see a msg from you waiting in my cc-mode inbox.  Maybe I
never got it.  In any case, my answer would be that I don't write IDL
-- we use ILU and it's ISL syntax wouldn't work in cc-mode -- so I
won't do the work to get idl-mode integrated in cc-mode, but I would
work with anybody who wants to contribute such code.

-Barry

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From: ogre@atomic.com (Joe Rumsey)
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Subject: Re: bind the number-pad 5 key
Date: 11 Jul 1996 17:15:01 GMT
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On 07 Jul 1996 04:39:36 -0700, Joseph McDonald <joe@ring.smartlink.net> wrote:
>
>Is it possible to bind the number-5 key on the keypad?
>It works fine when not using X, but under X, I just get a
>space whne I do a ctrl-v.  I find that having this key bound
>to 'buffer-menu-other-window is very handy.  It would also
>be nice if we could bind the "+" and "enter" keys on the 
>keypad as well.  This is xemacs 19.14

  I suppose it depends on your X server, but these work for me (Linux
2.0.0, Xfree 3.1.2, Xemacs 19.x)

(global-set-key [kp_5] 'other-window)
(global-set-key [kp_divide] 'delete-other-windows)
(global-set-key [kp_multiply] 'split-window-vertically)
(global-set-key [kp_add] 'enlarge-window)
(global-set-key [kp_subtract] 'shrink-window)

>Thanks,
>-joe

Welcome,
Joe :-)


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John Turner wrote:
> 
> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> > It certainly seems like rmime could be added to 19.15.  There *must*
> > be better MIME support in 19.15 IMHO, and an extra useful package
> > wouldn't seem to hurt.  It does not appear to be a total replacement
> > for tm though.
> 
> Did you try to byte-compile it, by chance?  When I tried with 19.14,
> it failed with the msg:
> 
>   !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
> 
> Ideas?
> 

I've the same problem, even without byte-compiling it, at the time I'm
reading a mail.
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From: Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl>
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Subject: old elisp packages
Date: 11 Jul 1996 19:00:36 +0200
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Hi,

I noticed that quite lot of elisp packages are not quite up to date.

Several problems arise from this, especially if those packages rely on other
programs which may not be fully backward compatible.

For instance, gud/gdb

What is the policy as to keeping the lisp tree up to date?

-Raymond


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From: hldco@cine.net (HLD PUBLISHING)
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Subject: Is your computer being bugged????
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Is your computer being monitored by someone else?
 Is someone using your computer without your knowledge?
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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Going very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy
Date: 11 Jul 1996 10:24:24 -0700
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tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller) writes:

> Um, interestingly, your patch fixes my problem (posted in another thread) where
> sending mail leaves defunct processes, but for the problem in this thread the
> cursor still keeps moving after I let go of it and this patch doesn't seem to
> help. But thanks for fixing one problem at least!

     Well, it turns out that my fixes work for HP-UX 9.XX, but didn't
for 10.XX.  Here's a revised patch (relative to the *original* 19.14
sources).

     I've also added an unrelated patch to regex.c, where purify was
complaining about an uninitialized variable.  I'm not sure that it
really fixes anything, but it keeps purify happy.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

===============================================================================
*** xemacs-19.14.orig/src/sysdep.c	Thu Jun 20 10:46:56 1996
--- xemacs-19.14/src/sysdep.c	Thu Jul 11 09:59:56 1996
***************
*** 908,914 ****
  {
    int filedesc = DEVICE_INFD (d);
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_GETSIG, &DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
    DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) &= ~S_INPUT;
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
--- 908,914 ----
  {
    int filedesc = DEVICE_INFD (d);
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG) && !defined(HPUX10)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_GETSIG, &DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
    DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) &= ~S_INPUT;
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
***************
*** 929,936 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
- 	/* Process group for socket should be -pid for delivery to self. */
- 	owner = -owner;
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCGPGRP,
  			      &DEVICE_OLD_FCNTL_OWNER (d));
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &owner);
--- 929,934 ----
***************
*** 965,972 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
- 	/* Process group for socket should be -pid for delivery to self. */
- 	owner = -owner;
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP,
  			      &DEVICE_OLD_FCNTL_OWNER (d));
        }
--- 963,968 ----
***************
*** 987,993 ****
    if (d->sigio_enabled)
      return;
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_SETSIG, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) | S_INPUT);
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
    fcntl (filedesc, F_SETFL, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) | FASYNC);
--- 983,989 ----
    if (d->sigio_enabled)
      return;
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG) && !defined(HPUX10)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_SETSIG, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) | S_INPUT);
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
    fcntl (filedesc, F_SETFL, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d) | FASYNC);
***************
*** 999,1005 ****
  	 use the following crud to do the appropriate thing. */
      int on = 1;
      int ioctl_status;		/* ####DG: check if IOCTL succeeds here. */
-     int socket_pgroup = -getpid ();
  
      if (DEVICE_TTY_P (d))
        {
--- 995,1000 ----
***************
*** 1009,1015 ****
      else if (!DEVICE_STREAM_P (d))
        {
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, FIOASYNC, &on);
- 	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &socket_pgroup);
        }
  #endif
    }
--- 1004,1009 ----
***************
*** 1037,1043 ****
    if (!d->sigio_enabled)
      return;
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_SETSIG, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
    fcntl (filedesc, F_SETFL, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
--- 1031,1037 ----
    if (!d->sigio_enabled)
      return;
  
! #if defined (I_SETSIG) && !defined(HPUX10)
    ioctl (filedesc, I_SETSIG, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
  #elif defined (FASYNC)
    fcntl (filedesc, F_SETFL, DEVICE_OLD_SIGIO_FLAG (d));
***************
*** 1049,1055 ****
  	 use the following crud to do the appropriate thing. */
  
      int off = 0;
-     int socket_pgroup = 0;
      int ioctl_status;
  
      /* See comment for request_sigio_on_device */
--- 1043,1048 ----
***************
*** 1061,1067 ****
      else 
        {
  	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, FIOASYNC, &off);
- 	ioctl_status = ioctl (filedesc, SIOCSPGRP, &socket_pgroup);
        }
    }
  #elif defined (FIOASYNC)
--- 1054,1059 ----
*** xemacs-19.14.orig/src/regex.c	Sun Apr 28 17:15:01 1996
--- xemacs-19.14/src/regex.c	Tue Jul  2 14:36:10 1996
***************
*** 1682,1687 ****
--- 1682,1688 ----
        RETALLOC_IF (best_regstart, num_regs, CONST char *);
        RETALLOC_IF (best_regend,	 num_regs, CONST char *);
        RETALLOC_IF (reg_info,	 num_regs, register_info_type);
+       bzero(reg_info, num_regs * sizeof(register_info_type));	/* kludge */
        RETALLOC_IF (reg_dummy,	 num_regs, CONST char *);
        RETALLOC_IF (reg_info_dummy, num_regs, register_info_type);
  

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From: Chuck Feltner <exufelt@exu.ericsson.se>
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Subject: gnuattach and xemacs 19.14??
Date: 11 Jul 1996 10:51:12 -0700
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Hi,

The xemacs FAQ contains the following statement:

-- Many improvements were made to the multi-device support.
   We now provide an auxiliary utility called "gnuattach" that
   lets you connect to an existing XEmacs process and display
   a TTY frame on the current TTY connection, and commands
   `make-frame-on-display' (with a corresponding menubar entry)
   and `make-frame-on-tty' for more easily creating frames on
   new TTY or X connections.

Is there any information on gnuattach? 

When I try C-h m gnuattach , it can't find the function.

		Thanks,
		   Chuck
-- 
=================================================================
Chuck Feltner                     E-mail: exufelt@exu.ericsson.se        
Ericsson, Inc.                    Memo:   eus.eusfelt
=================================================================

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From: Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
Date: 11 Jul 1996 19:18:32 +0200
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Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:
> 
> >>>>> Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>:
> 
> > I encounter similar problems with Gnus.  If I am reading a vanilla
> > article I can use the command "gnus-article-refer-article" to get to
> > the message referred to by the ID under the point.  But not if the
> > message was MIME encoded.
> 
> This may help you (from my ~/.emacs)
> 
> (add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook
> 	  (lambda()
> 	    (setq gnus-visible-headers
> 		  (concat gnus-visible-headers
> 			  "\\|^Message-Id:\\|^References:"))
> 	    ))

Not being able to see the ID's was not the real problem I was getting at.
I type "t" in the summary buffer to toggle the hiding of headers.

Actually the problem as I stated originally does not exist.  I can use
"gnus-article-refer-article" in mime previeved buffers but it is not bound
to "[(control c) ^]" as in gnus-article-mode.  Indeed making such key
bindings is rather problematical, since mime/viewer-mode is not used solely
with Gnus articles.  It would be nice if mime/viewer-mode could offer some
mechanism to shadow all the key bindings of the mode it takes over from
(gnus-article-mode, vm-mode etc.), then I would not have to keep looking at
the mode line before I decide what key bindings I can use.  

However I don't want to run tm down.  It is a nice package.

--- alastair

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Subject: Gnus posting question
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Now that I've got the new Gnus customized just so, I'm liking it just
fine.  But there's one thing I miss from the old one.  When I posted an
article in GNUS, I was prompted for the newsgroup and subject in the
minibuffer, and the newgroup completed.  This was a great feature since (1)
it allowed you to use completion on your newsgroup names, which is nice,
and (2) when you actually entered the *news* buffer, point was right where
you wanted to start typing.  It's a nit, but it bugs me to have to type in
a subject and then cursor down to the text area to start typing my message.

As far as I can tell, there's no way to do this in Gnus.  I could map 'a'
to (gnus-group-post-news 1) to at least get completion back, but no
prompting for the subject.  Ideas?



--
 scott evans
 http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
 gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work

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Subject: Re: VM and TM: not using mime/viewer mode for text/plain
Date: 11 Jul 1996 14:24:53 -0400
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AB> == Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>

 AB> It would be nice if mime/viewer-mode could offer some mechanism to
 AB> shadow all the key bindings of the mode it takes over from
 AB> (gnus-article-mode, vm-mode etc.), then I would not have to keep
 AB> looking at the mode line before I decide what key bindings I can use.

Try tm7.71; it should solve this problem.  (Did in Gnus 5.2.34 anyway.)

I don't know if it's working in VM yet as I just installed it and haven't
tried VM yet (besides which I use VM with a summary buffer, so the vm-mode
bindings are less important to me).

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
                               -- Judge Stewart Dalzell in _ACLU v. Reno_

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Subject: Re: W3 and Firewalls
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Helen <helen@voland.cc.huji.ac.il> writes:

> 
> Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I have been trying to get out onto the web with the W3 package that came with
> > the new xemcs-19.14.   Unfortunately, I am stuck behind a firewall.  To get
> > out of here, we have to telnet or ftp to a server and then get out.
> > 
> > I was using Netscape 3.0b4 which allows you to set FTP_PROXY, HTTP_PROXY, 
> > HTTPS_PROXY, GOPHER_PROXY, etc.  I just set these in my preferences to the 
> > server and a specified port number.  This allowed me to go on the web 
> > effortlessly.  Is there anything like this in W3?  I looked at the firewall 
> > information that is available in INFO but none of it helps.
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated.  And not to seem like an ingrate... I thank you
> > ... my mother thanks you... my future children thank you...
> > 
> > Bidemi Temidire
> 
> Put several 'setenv' statements to your .cshrc file which define your proxy 
> server name and the port:
> 
> setenv gopher_proxy server_name:port
> setenv ftp_proxy server_name:port
> setenv wais_proxy server_name:port
> setenv http_proxy server_name:port
> setenv file_proxy server_name:port

  Or,if you upgrade to the latest betas you can do M-x w3-preferences-edit,
or selection Options->Edit Preferences from the menu.  I think this made it
into the 19.14 release - check it out. :)

-Bill P

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From: luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Xemacs 19.14 endless loop when exiting Openwindows
Date: 11 Jul 1996 18:40:11 GMT
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I have in XEmacs 19.13, and still in 19.14.  I was on SunOS 4.1 and
now I'm on Solaris 2.5 CDE 1.0.1.  I've seen others asked the same question
and haven't seen any solutions to it.  Fortunately in CDE, I could set up
commands to execute prior to the exit of the WM, so I call gnudoit to
kill XEmacs.

Lui.

In article <pt4n316g64t.fsf@buzzard.poci.amis.com>,
missing link  <holbrook@buzzard.poci.amis.com> wrote:
>
>Has anyone else seen Xemacs 19.14 (compiled distribution) go into an
>endless loop when Openwindows (version 3 SunOS 4.x) is exited with
>Xemacs still up.  The "...killed client (broken pipe).." error
>repeatedly displays to the console and uses so much cpu time, remote
>login is very slow.
>
>Thanks,  mark...


-- 
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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: gnuattach and xemacs 19.14??
Date: 11 Jul 1996 11:37:48 -0700
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Chuck Feltner <exufelt@exu.ericsson.se> writes:
> Is there any information on gnuattach? 
> 
> When I try C-h m gnuattach , it can't find the function.

It's a binary, not an elisp function.  You should find it somewhere under
the "bin" directory in your XEmacs distribution.

The documentation for it is in the "man/man1" directory.

I don't have any more info on it, since I haven't yet taken it for a
test-drive.

-- 
    --- John.

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Subject: Re: [19.14] slow on SunOS 4.1.4
References: <31E28E47.446B9B3D@micro.lucent.com>
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From: Bill Clark <bclark@pixel.cirrus.com>

Same here.

SunOS 4.1.4, Sparc20, X11R5 pl26, gcc 2.7.2

./configure --cflags=-O3 --with-dialogs=lucid

Ditching lazy-lock helped, but 19.14 is still slower than 19.13, especially
when using multiple frames.  

The lazy-lock distributed with 19.14 makes XEmacs unusable for us (and we
*need* lazy-lock for the large files we work with).  The slow, buffered
auto-repeat after key release is one of the biggest problems with it, but
it generally slows down everything.


ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:
> 
> I have the same feeling...
> 
> XEmacs 19.14 is much, much slower than 19.13!
> 
> 19.14 was compiled with X11R6.1, on SunOS 4.1.4, Sparc-Station-20, gcc 2.7.2
> 
> --- Ricky.
> 
> >>>>> "Mark" == missing link <holbrook@buzzard.poci.amis.com> writes:
> 
>   Mark: uknt@micro.lucent.com writes:
>   Mark: Seeing the same thing with X11R6, SunOS 4.1.3C, and compiled
>   Mark: distribution.  Please help?
> 
>   :: 
>   :: XEmacs 19.14, X11R5 (MIT not OpenWindows), no Motif, SunOS 4.1.4, gcc 2.6.3
>   :: 
>   :: ./configure --prefix=/opt/xemacs/19_14 --cflags=-O3 --with-dialogs=lucid
>   :: <...snip...>
> 

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Subject: One XEmacs processes, many filesystems - How do I do it?
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I work in a distributed system of (mostly) Unix computers, where I have
a home machine where I do much of my mail, news, etc., and a number of
other computers of several different makes where I often have to edit
while doing other things.

When I started using XEmacs 19.13, I built up a set of utilities using
gnuservthat allowed me to run a single XEmacs process and invoke the
editing of files on remote filesystems in that process from rlogins on
the remote computers.  The one limitation of course is that the files
need to be visible to the XEmacs process via NFS or some other form of
remote filesystem mounting.

The effect I get is that I have a number of terminal windows with open
logins on various different computers, in various different directories,
and I can edit a file in any one of them with one central XEmacs with an
invocation in any one of the terminal windows.

That limitation has bothered me for awhile, and it's now getting rather
painful, since many of the filesystems I work on are not exported from
the local machine.  I"m in the process of porting to 19.14, so this
seems like a good time to tinker with things and see if I can get around
the limitation.

Finally, my question: has anyone figured out a way to have a single
XEmacs process on a local net act as an server for all files on the net,
including those that are not in directly accessible filesystems, by
invocations of gnuserv or something like it from the remote computer?
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From: Peter Memishian - SunSoft <meem@suneast.east.sun.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs 19.14 under linux slowdown *SOLUTION*
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about a week ago i posted a question about why the startup of xemacs
19.14 under linux 2.0.x (or as it turns out any linux) is 2x slower
than 19.13.   i received a number of "guesses" about the behavior
(most of them relating to DNS) but actually the problem was revealed
with a strace(1) that i should've done in the first place.. it turns
out if you don't have the file "/tmp/.socket/audio0" (at least under
my precompiled binary),  19.14 will spend about 5-10 seconds trying to
find it, and eventually give up.  just touch(1)'ing this command into
existence sped up my startup by 2x.  maybe some xemacs wizard (or
existing documentation) might shed some light on what's really going
on here.

if anyone else is experiencing a similar slowdown in going from 19.13
to 19.14, try this as a solution

-- 
meem
meem@suneast.east.sun.com

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: old elisp packages
Date: 11 Jul 1996 12:13:57 -0700
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Raymond Nijssen <raymond@krait.es.ele.tue.nl> writes:

> I noticed that quite lot of elisp packages are not quite up to date.
> 
> Several problems arise from this, especially if those packages rely on other
> programs which may not be fully backward compatible.
> 
> For instance, gud/gdb
> 
> What is the policy as to keeping the lisp tree up to date?

The policy is that packages will get updated if someone invests the
effort of updating them and making sure they continue to work with XEmacs.

Perhaps you would like to contribute?
-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
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I just upgraded to XEmacs 19.14, but my custom c-font-lock-keywords that
worked great with 19.13 no longer work for 19.14.  Consequently, my
custom typedefs, etc. are not highlighted in 19.14.  I have the custom
keywords specified in my .emacs file (based on code posted by Glenn
Carr).  Does anyone have any idea how to fix this problem and highlight
user-defined keywords?  Thanks a lot!

Brett Okhuysen

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From: rosebud@cyclone.Stanford.EDU (Larry Schwimmer)
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Subject: Re: Using XEmacs 19.xx with GNU Emacs 19.xx
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dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com ponders:
>I have spent a lot of time integrating GNU Emacs 19 (currently up to
>31) into our development environment.  I am investigating using XEmacs
>19.14, because of its integration with SparcWorks.  Unfortunately,
>XEmacs 19.14 doesn't seem to like .elc files that were compiled with
>GNU Emacs 19.29 or later.

	I use a common site-lisp directory for emacs, xemacs, and
mule.  It works fairly well.
	Make $(prefix)/lib/xemacs a symbolic link to
$(sharedstatedir)/emacs.  For stock xemacs and emacs, this would
be /usr/local/lib/xemacs and /usr/local/share/emacs.
	To site-start.el or default.el, add

;;; Force emacs-19.29 and higher to produce mule/xemacs compatible byte-code
(defvar byte-compile-dynamic-docstrings nil
  "*If not nil, any byte-compiled code will not work with mule and
    xemacs, which is why this should be set to nil")

	You will need to recompile any el files you compiled under
emacs 19.29 or later, but it should be fine otherwise.  (I refused to
upgrade to emacs-19.29 when it came out until I solved this problem.
There may be other solutions, but this has worked for me.)
	One major caveat to look for is elisp packages which use

-no-site-file

in the compiling flags.  Delete the flag before building or build with
EMACS=xemacs.
	The only package I have ever had problems with sharing
compiled elisp was the later 2.3.xx versions of w3-mode.  Compiling
under xemacs and deleting three of the .elc files solved that problem,
though.

			yours,
				Larry Schwimmer
				schwim@cyclone.stanford.edu

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From: David Karr <dkarr@gtenmo1.mtv.gtegsc.com>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: conflict between SparcWorks/XEmacs and separate XEmacs
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on xemacs

(When I ran "report-emacs-bug", it gave me an error about an undefined
symbol "system-configuration-options".)

I have the following installed here:  GNU Emacs 19.31, the XEmacs 19.13
that came with SparcWorks, and XEmacs 19.14.

If I put the SparcWorks path before the XEmacs 19.14 path, when I run
"xemacs", I get the old (19.13) xemacs.  If I reverse them, with the
path for 19.14 before the SparcWorks path, then I get the correct
xemacs, but when it starts up, I see "loading cl-extra", and then I
get "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil".  I resolved this by putting
the SparcWorks path first, then putting a "xemacs" symlink in my
$HOME/bin directory to the installed location of the 19.14 Xemacs.  My
$HOME/bin comes before both the SparcWorks and XEmacs 19.14 paths.  I
don't consider this a great solution.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: rmime vs. tm
Date: 11 Jul 1996 14:12:03 -0700
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>>>>> "Frederic" == Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

John Turner wrote:
Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

sb> It certainly seems like rmime could be added to 19.15.  There *must*
sb> be better MIME support in 19.15 IMHO, and an extra useful package
sb> wouldn't seem to hurt.  It does not appear to be a total replacement
sb> for tm though.

John> Did you try to byte-compile it, by chance?  

Nope.

John> When I tried with 19.14, it failed with the msg:
John> 
John> !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
John> 
John> Ideas?

I see the same thing.

Frederic> I've the same problem, even without byte-compiling it, at
Frederic> the time I'm reading a mail.

Non-portable elisp.  Try this:

--- rmime.el.orig	Thu Jul 11 14:05:04 1996
+++ rmime.el	Thu Jul 11 14:08:16 1996
@@ -137,7 +137,7 @@
 (defvar rmime-immediate-play nil
   "*If non-nil, RMIME starts metamail immediatly when a message is formatted")
 
-(defvar rmime-arrow #("-->" 0 3 (face rmime-arrow-face))
+(defvar rmime-arrow "-->"
   "*Arrow indicator used during MIME play")
 
 (defvar rmime-leader (make-string (length rmime-arrow) ? )
@@ -172,7 +172,7 @@
 (defvar rmime-digest-indentation "")
 (defvar rmime-digest-recursive-indentation "   ")
 (defvar rmime-digest-toc-intro "\t\t\t  Table Of Contents\n")
-(defvar rmime-digest-item-intro #("\f\t\t\t  #################\n" 0 24 (face bold)))
+(defvar rmime-digest-item-intro "\f\t\t\t  #################\n")
 
 ;; List of transfer-encodings that don't need to be processed by
 ;; mimencode.  RMIME is a user agent so it can treat all of these

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Key Binding for set-auto-mode
Date: 11 Jul 1996 16:22:23 -0600
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In article <DuCKGG.LKs@Cadence.COM> valery@dobie.Cadence.COM (Mark Valery) writes:

> says "Wrong type argument: commandp, set-auto-mode".
> Is this because set-auto-mode is a byte-compiled function
> and I need to bind it to a key differently?

No, it's because it's not declared as a command (doesn't contain an
(interactive) form). The command that does the same is normal-mode.
Interesting, what's the difference between the two? The doc doesn't make
this clear, but a quick check of the source (M-. is useful) shows that
normal-mode calls set-auto-mode, and does a bit more.


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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: rmime vs. tm
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John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

> Did you try to byte-compile it, by chance?  When I tried with 19.14,
> it failed with the msg:
> 
>   !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
> 
> Ideas?

I "solved" this problem for 19.13 by replacing the #(...) by the
string inside.  At least it doesn't get an error now. :) (I love these
smileys in Gnus!)

For 19.13, I also had to add a boundp in one place, change a
buffer-substring...set-text-properties to a
buffer-substring-no-properties, and change some local-map text
properties to keymap.

It works quite well now for stripping out wierd text encodings, and
letting me view included gifs, etc. (once I installed metamail).
However if I try to use the function rmime-play, XEmacs crashes after
I quit viewing the first image and try to do anything:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file event-Xt.c, line 1516, closure

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.

Any idea why this happens, without a backtrace?

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: History for the minibuffer ????????
Date: 11 Jul 1996 16:30:09 -0600
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This is already bound to M-p and M-n, and you may want to keep C-p and C-n
(up and down) for their normal function: sometimes the minibuffer will grow
to more than one line (eg try M-% foo C-q C-j bar RET if you want to
replace occurrences of foo <newline> bar). If you really want to do it, try
(untested!) 

(define-key minibuffer-local-map [?\C-p] 'previous-history-element)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map [up]    'previous-history-element)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map [?\C-n] 'next-history-element)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map [down]  'next-history-element)

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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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Subject: Long menubars in 19.14?
Date: 11 Jul 1996 15:46:02 -0700
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What do you do when the number of items on the menubar exceed the capacity of
the menubar to display them?  Do we need a scrolling menubar?

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From: Troy Daniels <tdaniels@mit4.fnal.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Ange-ftp fails to reopen connect
Date: 11 Jul 1996 17:55:37 -0500
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After talking with Andy Norman (ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com), we (actually he)
found that the FTP server was returning the line

> 500 FTP connection terminated after 300 seconds of idle time

This was a message that ange-ftp wasn't expecting, and it got confused.
Adding the line

  (setq ange-ftp-skip-msgs
        (concat "^500 FTP connection \\|" ange-ftp-skip-msgs))

to my .emacs after loading ange-ftp solved the problem.  You might want
to check your *ftp user@node* buffer for that message, or a similar one.

Troy
tdaniels@fnald.fnal.gov

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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:

> By this the modeline will be used. Try to bind the find-file function to
> the menu. If you did this I would by also very interested, because I
> think the File Dialog is shit.

Oh now that's *really* constructive.

I don't understand why people would rather piss on something than make
suggestions for improvements.

If you don't like it, write a better one.  Or at least say *why* you
don't like it.

(No, I didn't write the File Dialog code, so I'm not just being defensive
about something of mine.  I've found problems with the it myself, and I
know it could use some improvement.  I just don't think it's very 
constructive to simply say it's shit.)

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
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From: Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com>
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Subject: Re: Customized c-font-lock-keywords in 19.14
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Brett Okhuysen wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to XEmacs 19.14, but my custom c-font-lock-keywords that
> worked great with 19.13 no longer work for 19.14.  Consequently, my
> custom typedefs, etc. are not highlighted in 19.14.  I have the custom
> keywords specified in my .emacs file (based on code posted by Glenn
> Carr).  Does anyone have any idea how to fix this problem and highlight
> user-defined keywords?  Thanks a lot!
> 
> Brett Okhuysen


I use the following.  It's not gracefull, but I can folow what is going
on

;; -----------------------------------------------------
;;
;; My great fontifying rules
;;
(make-face 'C-keyword-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'C-keyword-face "ForestGreen")
(make-face-bold 'C-keyword-face)

(make-face 'Mrm-keyword-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Mrm-keyword-face "yellow")
(make-face-bold 'Mrm-keyword-face)

; etc...

(let
    ((c-keyword-names
      (concat 
       "printf\\|sprintf\\|fprintf\\|"
;
;  lots of words to highlight
;
       "memcmp\\|FILE\\|popen\\|pclose\\|NULL"))
     (Mrm-keyword-names
      (concat
       "MrmSUCCESS\\|MrmCREATE_NEW\\|MrmINDEX_RETRY\\|"
;
;  lots more words to highlight
;
       "MrmFetchWidget\\|MrmFetchWidgetOverride"))
     )
   (setq c-font-lock-keywords-3 (purecopy
    (append c-font-lock-keywords-2
      (list
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" c-keyword-names "\\)\\>") 1
'C-keyword-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Mrm-keyword-names "\\)\\>") 1
'Mrm-keyword-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xm-constant-names "\\)\\>") 1
'Xm-constant-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xm-function-names "\\)\\>") 1
'Xm-function-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xt-type-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xt-type-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xt-function-names "\\)\\>") 1
'Xt-function-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" escene-function-names "\\)\\>") 1
'escene-function-face)
       )))))



Then my c-mode-hook is


(defun my-c-mode-hooks ()
  "C mode hooks"
  (setq c-auto-newline t)
  (setq c-basic-offset 2)
  (setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-3)
  (turn-on-font-lock)
  )

In my .Xdefaults I have

!
! faces for c-faces.el
!
Emacs.C-keyword-face.attributeForeground : ForestGreen
Emacs.Mrm-keyword-face.attributeForeground : yellow
Emacs.Xm-constant-face.attributeForeground : pink

etc...

I have found that if you put colors in the .Xdefaults file, you can not
change them via Edit-Faces, but it makes it much nicer for other folks
to use your highlight list but their own colors.


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Inc
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Subject: 19.14 bug related to toolbar
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i generally don't use the toolbar, so i have it turned off in my
.Xresources like so:

Emacs.topToolBarHeight: 0

however, starting with 19.14, doing this causes some "crap" (a couple
extra horizontal and vertical lines, displayed in the xemacs current
toolbar color, to appear at the top and left edge respectively of the
current xemacs frame).  to see what i mean, put the above resource in
your .Xresources, do an xrdb -load, restart xemacs and then do:

C-x 2
C-x 1


the resulting "crap" can be cleared with a C-l, and/or will get erased
as one starts to make changes near the diseased areas.

i'm running the stock linux-ELF binary with shared motif support,
linux 2.0.5, and libc 5.3.12 if that matters.

meem

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From: vizzie@airmail.net (Larry Daffner)
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I'm having a problem or 2 with converting from GNU emacs to the Xemacs
version.  There's a few things I can't quite figure out if I can do in
Xemacs... 

1) turn off highlighting of the menu bar on a TTY.

In GNU, it's:
(set 'mode-line-inverse-video nil)

I've tracked down references to set-face-hilight-p and
set-face-reverse-p, as well as set-face-property, but that's not what I
want.  I want faces to be left alone, I just want to make the mode line
normal video (or even dim or bold)

2) Switching key definitions

IE, swapping C-s and C-\ in the emacs keymap. (don't have the lisp code
for this one handy).

Thanks in advance..

-Larry

--
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From: scott@partech.com (Scott Barrett)
Subject: Re: Any xemacs modes for CORBA IDL?

At 1:08 PM 7/11/96, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>>>>>> "SB" == Scott Barrett <scott@partech.com> writes:
>
>    SB> (I sent a bug report to the cc-mode author in which I also
>    SB> inquired about the possibility of adding IDL support to
>    SB> cc-mode, but never received a response.)
>
>Odd, I don't see a msg from you waiting in my cc-mode inbox.  Maybe I
>never got it.  In any case, my answer would be that I don't write IDL
>-- we use ILU and it's ISL syntax wouldn't work in cc-mode -- so I
>won't do the work to get idl-mode integrated in cc-mode, but I would
>work with anybody who wants to contribute such code.

Sorry Barry, I didn't mean to sully your reputation as author of cc-mode.
My bug report was sent some time ago, but I never got any indication that
it was not delivered.  I don't immediately recall the particulars, but it
had to do with changes between v241 (or so) and the latest version.  I'm
pretty sure I've worked around whatever problem I was having.

In any case, in noting that java mode had been added to cc-mode, I had
wondered whether an IDL mode could be far behind.  I don't have sufficient
understanding of cc-mode yet to figure out how to set up an IDL mode, but
if/when I do, I'd be happy to contribute whatever I work up.  Currently, I
find that c++-mode works well enough for most of the IDL I deal with.

By the way, cc-mode is one of the major reasons why I use [X]Emacs.  One
question I have seen often asked, but never answered is why the style names
are forced to be lower case instead of allowing mixed case style names.
I've patched my copy of cc-mode to permit such style names.

- Scott



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Subject: Re: Long menubars in 19.14?
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:58:17 -0700
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David Masterson wrote:
> 
> What do you do when the number of items on the menubar exceed the capacity of
> the menubar to display them?  Do we need a scrolling menubar?
> 

No, the menubar should wrap just as it does in MS Windows. Can someone devise a 
patch?

--rick

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Subject: [Q] a single minibuffer in its own frame

it seems to me that this was due to be in 19.14, and the NEWS file
contains:

-- Surrogate minibuffers now work.  These are also sometimes
   referred to as "global" minibuffers.

that probably means that you can have a global minibuffer, in its
own frame, and the other frames without minibuffers --- please
correct my possible misunderstanding

BUT i was not able to find any info, neither in the new FAQ nor in
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no minibuffers in regular frames, and a single minibuffer in its
separate frame

if anyone is willing to clarify this issue, i'll be grateful

tia

			gb

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In <199607101934.MAA08796@argon> "Chris McMahan" wrote:
> I've found the c++-mode to be quite sufficient for this, so I just force
> .idl files into that

Awhile ago I hacked C++ mode into an IDL mode.  Not much to it, actually.  
The one thing I did was complete the font-lock mode so that IDL keywords are 
now highlighted properly.

If anybody wants this, send email to mailto:chris@envision.com.  I'll happily 
give it away.

-cj

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bqv@eng102.eng.i-o.com (Bang Q. Vu) writes:

> Just switched over to 19.14 and trying to read news using GNU
> v5.2.25. When i started GNU, everything went well up to the point
> where the subscribed news groups appeared then an error "Symbol's
> function definitiom is void: font-lock-hack-keyword" showed up in the
> minibuffer. When i selected a news group to read, same error
> happened. Anybody has an idea as to what's wrong? Thanks in advance.

I seem to   have  got   a similar  problem     because I was     using
Simon Marshall's font-lock-auto. Are you?

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
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From: Oliver Bedford <bedford@triton.pc.uni-koeln.de>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 slow on HP-UX
Date: 12 Jul 1996 09:18:21 +0200
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j_m@nfuel.com (Jeff McElroy) writes:

> After upgrading to version XEmacs 19.14 I've noticed a very slow behavior
> when typing.  I can get up to 10 or more keystrokes in before XEmacs 
> catches up. Has anyone noticed this behavior or found a solution for this?
> 
> I'm using the precompiled binaries for the HP-UX 9.05.

  Same problem here. I have compiled XEmacs myself, so precompilation 
seems not to be the problem.

  Oliver


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From: "B. Classen" <bernd.classen@medizin.uni-ulm.de>
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Subject: Q: XEmacs-19.14 and AUCTeX-9 (with linux-2.0.5) ??
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hi everybody,

proudly using linux, gcc, Xemacs, TeX and all this I faced some problems:

in my office I use solaris2.5, xemacs-19.13 and auctex under X11R6 and
fvwm2.xx.
All this works together since (almost) ever without the smallest problem.
C-c C-c compiles my "file.tex" and doesn't complain, if I start xemacs from an
xterm (-> "xemacs &") or from a fvwm-menu (-> "Exec xemacs &" in my .fvwm2rc).

at home I use linux-2.0.5, xemacs-19.14 and auctex under XFree-3.1.2 and
fvwm2.xx and only 50% of the above described works. that is to say:
starting xemacs from an xterm is great (C-c C-c compiles my "xxx.tex" files)
starting xemacs from an fvwm-menu is not (C-c C-c then tells me: "/bin/sh:
latex: command not found"). my exec-path is quite strange ("/usr/local/bin" nil
"/usr/ucb" ...) but even if I set this correctly ("(setq exec-path (list ...
"/usr/TeX/bin" ...))") C-c C-c doesn't find latex.

Who can give me some hints?
Thanks a lot

By the way: Why "/bin/sh"? process-environment says " ... SHELL="/bin/bash"
.." By the way2: xemacs also doesn't find ...app-defaults/Emacs

Again thanks a lot

Bernd Classen (bernd.classen@medizin.uni-ulm.de)


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In article <x7k9wadgts.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

   No, but it does mean that your "stripped" version of 19.13 is probably
   not really stripped, because it cannot be stripped, because that data
   comes after the data that strip would lop off.

Or it means that the version is indeed stripped, and the binary is
organized as cleverly that stripping does not change the important
parts of the binary, but just lops off symbols and debugging info at
the end, thus not disturbing the binary.

Morale: try out stripping on a copy, and see if the resulting emacs
does still work and can produce the document strings for dumped byte
code as well. If it does...
-- 
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In article <tulogqobcv.fsf@mailhost.gemstone.com> Bruce Cohen <cohenb@gemstone.com> writes:

   Finally, my question: has anyone figured out a way to have a single
   XEmacs process on a local net act as an server for all files on the net,
   including those that are not in directly accessible filesystems, by
   invocations of gnuserv or something like it from the remote computer?

Using ange ftp could help. Just edit files with the name
/hostname:filename, and they will be fetched and put via ftp as
needed.
-- 
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Bruce Cohen <cohenb@gemstone.com> writes:

> 
> I work in a distributed system of (mostly) Unix computers, where I have
> a home machine where I do much of my mail, news, etc., and a number of
> other computers of several different makes where I often have to edit
> while doing other things.
> 
> When I started using XEmacs 19.13, I built up a set of utilities using
> gnuservthat allowed me to run a single XEmacs process and invoke the
> editing of files on remote filesystems in that process from rlogins on
> the remote computers.  The one limitation of course is that the files
> need to be visible to the XEmacs process via NFS or some other form of
> remote filesystem mounting.
> 
> The effect I get is that I have a number of terminal windows with open
> logins on various different computers, in various different directories,
> and I can edit a file in any one of them with one central XEmacs with an
> invocation in any one of the terminal windows.
> 
> That limitation has bothered me for awhile, and it's now getting rather
> painful, since many of the filesystems I work on are not exported from
> the local machine.  I"m in the process of porting to 19.14, so this
> seems like a good time to tinker with things and see if I can get around
> the limitation.
> 
> Finally, my question: has anyone figured out a way to have a single
> XEmacs process on a local net act as an server for all files on the net,
> including those that are not in directly accessible filesystems, by
> invocations of gnuserv or something like it from the remote computer?

Are you aware of the very useful package called ange-ftp, which allows
editing of remote files via ftp. 

I use a small shell-script which combines the powers of
gnuserv/gnuclient and ange-ftp.  I simply call my script with the file
name as arg. If the file is local it is simply loaded using gnuclient,
if the file is not local, this script appends the appropriate ange-ftp
prefix to the file, (<username>@<host>:) before issuing the gnuclient
command. This makes emacs(ange-ftp) transparently copy the file using
ftp and it appeas in a buffer ready for editing, after possibly having
prompted me for the password.

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: 19.14 bug related to toolbar
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:37:55 -0700
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meem wrote:
> 
> i generally don't use the toolbar, so i have it turned off in my
> .Xresources like so:
> 
> Emacs.topToolBarHeight: 0

I did the same and additionally used what 'Save Options put in
the .emacs file:

  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) 
(add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) 
(add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))

But even without that I don't see the things you described
(XEmacs 19.14, DEC ALPHA OSF1, Motif, precompiled). Don't know if the
stuff in the .emacs file would be of any help for you?!

Bye,
Thomas

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darrylo@sr.hp.com wrote:
>      Well, it turns out that my fixes work for HP-UX 9.XX, but didn't
> for 10.XX.  Here's a revised patch (relative to the *original* 19.14
> sources).
> 
>      I've also added an unrelated patch to regex.c, where purify was
> complaining about an uninitialized variable.  I'm not sure that it
> really fixes anything, but it keeps purify happy.

I applied these on my sparc5. Didn't break anything, but it just as slow as ever.

(mental tourture watching text disappear due to buffered up deletes :-# )
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From: Fotis Kokkoras <kokkoras@cs.bris.ac.uk>
Subject: xEmacs + Prolog
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Hi all,

I'm wondering if there is an xEmacs mode for Prolog (SICStus). If 
this is the case, I'd like also a few guidelines on how to enable it.

Thanks in advance

Fotis Kokkoras

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From: Harald Meland <meland@sp050.cern.ch>
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Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:

> 
> >>>>> Harald Meland <meland@sp050.cern.ch>:
> 
> What do you mean by "replying with insert"?  Yanking the message
> you're replying to?

Yes, by means of 'vm-reply-include-text' or
'vm-followup-include-text'. tm messed this up quite bad at times,
while at other times just included all the headers and skipped using
any kind of mail-yank-prefix . I think this was tm 7.49 -- it may have
been fixed since that. Nevertheless I found it quite annoying.

> This was actually the reason I changed from VM+rmime to mh-e+tm last
> summer.  I wanted to reply to messages sent from Pine, with a
> base64-encoded text/plain part.
> 
> Of the alternatives I tried, tm (in mh-e, that is) was the only one
> that did this correctly.

Seems to work with VM+RMIME as well (With my bugfix, that is).

> > 	* Also IMHO, tm is a real b****rd to install (correctly, that
> > 	  is). 
> 
> It's getting better.  The earlier ones were real bastards.

If you're going to install it in your own home directory, you still
really need to make an effort to figure out what files will go where
if you change this or that variable in the lisp installation script. I
find this quite annoying, too.

It might be easy to install if you are doing so in the standard
directories, but as I haven't got the permissions for that I can't.

> > 	  It all becomes much more complicated than needed.
> 
> Remember that complete MIME support *is* complicated.  rmime is not
> complete.  If it tried to be, it would become complicated.

I should rush to say that I'm not that much into MIME technicalities,
but just meant that for _my_ needs tm is way to complex. That being
said, what exactly is it RMIME lacks? Are you thinking of the MIME
editor, or are there other things?

> I found tm to be far more trustworthy (last summer).  The one thing I
> *really* like about it, is that with mh-e+tm or Gnus+tm, I can toggle
> between the raw message, and the decoded messages.  That means you can
> extract stuff from buggy MIME, or MIME constructs the MIME decoder
> don't understand (with VM, the only option open, was to edit the inbox
> directly).

... or you can always get the undecoded MIME back by using
'revert-buffer' on the appropriate buffer. It shouldn't be that
difficult writing a function that toggles between raw and decoded,
I'll start working on it right away :)

> That said, if you're planning to stay with VM then I think rmime is
> the best alternative for the time being.  For mh-e or Gnus, tm is far
> superior (as well as bigger, and incredibly more complex).

As for Gnus, I'm waiting for the builtin support (in Red Gnus?) -- I
really haven't seen that many news articles using MIME.
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Subject: More TM problems - PostScript this time
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I have recieved a document in Postscript format, which I am trying to
decode with TM, to no avail.

Looking in tm-image.el, I see that TM seems to be trying to convert
the document to a gif (via pstogif) and display it in the mail
buffer!!!

This seems rather perverse to say the lease, and I would like to
change the behavioir to call Ghostscript whenever a postscript file is
encountered.

Any pointers?

Glenn.

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From: Han Hwak <isaac@comp.snu.ac.kr>
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Subject: Re: xEmacs + Prolog
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Fotis Kokkoras wrote:

> I'm wondering if there is an xEmacs mode for Prolog (SICStus). If
> this is the case, I'd like also a few guidelines on how to enable it.

I'm using emac version 19.31 and trying

	M-x prolog-mode

changed my major mode to "Prolog".

If you can find the "proglog.el" in your lisp directory, it can be
loaded by

	M-x load-file <lisp_path>/prolog.el

But, miserably, if you can't find any such file. why don't you trying
a ftp of that file at

	ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/modes

There also exists many other lisp files useful enough!


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Further to my last message, the probelms seem to occur with multi-page
Postscript files; TM writes the gifs as follows (for a 3 page PS
file):

-rw-r--r--    1 proctor  people     13417 Jul 12 11:29 tma000iA1.gif
-rw-r--r--    1 proctor  people      8222 Jul 12 11:29 tma000iA2.gif
-rw-r--r--    1 proctor  people      7308 Jul 12 11:29 tma000iA3.gif

and then I get the error

Removing old name: no such file or directory, /tmp/tma000iA.gif

when TM tries to look for the gif file.

Shouldn't be too hard to put the number before the .gif extension, but
my lisp isn't up to it :-(

Glenn.

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Subject: OOBR (02.09.12 with C++ source tree > 56MB ??
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I have just discovered the OOBR of Xemacs 19.14. I have already
compiled xoobr and successfully browsed through a minor sub-directory
of my source-tree.

Is anything known about some internal variables wich have to be
increased (When trying to browse larger parts of the aforementioned
source-tree (C++) I get "overflows" of the

max-....level exceeded kind

(If I increase the variable mentioned I end up
with the next one being set to a value too low for a successful run)

I wonder whether this is an end-less regress or whether is suffices to
increas n-variables (n<infinity)?

Does anybody have some experience with the OOBR 02.09.12 and big
source-trees !!

Any advise on which variables have to be increased is WELCOME !!


THANX,
  Juergen.

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Subject: Re: rmime vs. tm
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:26:48 -0400
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Steven L Baur wrote:

> Non-portable elisp.  Try this:
> 
> --- rmime.el.orig       Thu Jul 11 14:05:04 1996
> +++ rmime.el    Thu Jul 11 14:08:16 1996
> @@ -137,7 +137,7 @@
>  (defvar rmime-immediate-play nil
>    "*If non-nil, RMIME starts metamail immediatly when a message is formatted")
> 
> -(defvar rmime-arrow #("-->" 0 3 (face rmime-arrow-face))
> +(defvar rmime-arrow "-->"
>    "*Arrow indicator used during MIME play")
> 
>  (defvar rmime-leader (make-string (length rmime-arrow) ? )
> @@ -172,7 +172,7 @@
>  (defvar rmime-digest-indentation "")
>  (defvar rmime-digest-recursive-indentation "   ")
>  (defvar rmime-digest-toc-intro "\t\t\t  Table Of Contents\n")
> -(defvar rmime-digest-item-intro #("\f\t\t\t  #################\n" 0 24 (face bold)))
> +(defvar rmime-digest-item-intro "\f\t\t\t  #################\n")
> 
>  ;; List of transfer-encodings that don't need to be processed by
>  ;; mimencode.  RMIME is a user agent so it can treat all of these
> 
> -

I've tried but now I have the message

Symbol's value as variable is void: rmail-highlight-face

I'm using VM not rmail.

Frederic
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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: Strange font-lock problem in c or c++ mode
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It seems that the highlighting of:
int x, y;
doesn't highlight the y correctly for c/c++ modes.

Is this a bug or is something in my .emacs file screwed up?

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LD> == Larry Daffner <vizzie@airmail.net>

 LD> I'm having a problem or 2 with converting from GNU emacs to the
 LD> Xemacs version.  There's a few things I can't quite figure out if I
 LD> can do in Xemacs...

I don't know if you can do them in Xemacs either, but you can do them in
XEmacs.

 LD> 1) turn off highlighting of the menu bar on a TTY.

 LD> In GNU, it's:
 LD> (set 'mode-line-inverse-video nil)

 LD> I've tracked down references to set-face-hilight-p and
 LD> set-face-reverse-p, as well as set-face-property, but that's not what
 LD> I want.  I want faces to be left alone, I just want to make the mode
 LD> line normal video (or even dim or bold)

Adapt the following.  (You can set the background to "white" and the
foreground to "black" on ttys, then, say, set-face-highlight-p for each of
the modeline* faces.)

;; brighten things up
(set-face-background 'modeline (list (cons 'x "Gray90")
				     (cons 'tty "black")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-buffer-id (list (cons 'x "black")
					       (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable (list (cons 'x "blue3")
					      (cons 'tty "white")))
(set-face-foreground 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode (list (cons 'x "blue3")
							 (cons 'tty "white")))

 LD> 2) Switching key definitions

 LD> IE, swapping C-s and C-\ in the emacs keymap. (don't have the lisp
 LD> code for this one handy).

Try using (keyboard-translate "\C-s" "\C-\\") or whatever it needs; that
should do it.  Since I have managed to eradicate software flow control
from the TTYs I use, I quit worrying about this a long time ago.

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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   searching for the no-hassle mime decoder, i tried also rmime :-(,
   but it seems that i have a problem using it with VM, that is when i
   select a mime-encoded message, i have the following messages in the
   minibuffer

Formatting MIME message...
Symbol's value as variable is void: rmail-highlighted-headers
                                    ^^^^^
   and no message is displayed --- but

Harald Meland writes:

 > Seems to work with VM+RMIME as well (With my bugfix, that is).

   so i know that i've done something wrong (at least, i have not his
   bugfix)

this is what i have in my .emacs:

(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook 'rmime-format)
(autoload 'rmime-format "rmime" "" nil)


any help will be appreciated
					gb

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I tend to run multiple shell's (``M-x shell'') under emacs and rename
each shell buffer to something appropriate.  I then rlogin (I also use
``M-x telnet'') to remote machines and do a:

	stty -echo nl

to turn off echoing and cr-newline mapping.  If the remote machine has
a matching NFS filesystem, then normal file editing works.  If it
doesn't match, then I do a ``M-x cd'' and set the directory to:

	/loginname@remotehost:somepath

and thereafter every time I edit a file from that shell buffer it uses
ange-ftp to transparently edit the remote file.  The only thing I
haven't fixed is to get shell mode (aka comint-mode) to do filename
completion via ange-ftp (maybe someday).

--pete

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When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so that
I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ?? IT helps a lot 
when you are using TAGS ....Ofcourse C-x C-b would show this but I would
like to see it in the menu.

thanks
- Sobhan
-- 
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Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

> >>>>> "BD" == Brian Denheyer <briand@northwest.com> writes:

> BD> Of course, this means that  my currently stripped version of 19.13
> BD> shouldn't work,  right ??
> 
> No, but it does mean that your "stripped" version of 19.13 is probably
> not really stripped, because it cannot be stripped, because that data
> comes after the data that strip would lop off.

Well I've never had any problems stripping XEmacs.  For 19.14 I have the
following sizes before and after stripping:

-rwxr-xr-x    2 glenn  his   5119364 Jun 27 09:58 src/xemacs
-rwxr-xr-x    1 glenn  his   3978296 Jun 27 10:07 /usr/local/gnu/bin/xemacs

This is on SGI machines running Irix 5.3.  It sure looks like it has
been stripped to me...

--
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Philips Research Labs,             
Redhill,
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Bruce Cohen <cohenb@gemstone.com> writes:

> When I started using XEmacs 19.13, I built up a set of utilities using
> gnuservthat allowed me to run a single XEmacs process and invoke the
> editing of files on remote filesystems in that process from rlogins on
> the remote computers.  The one limitation of course is that the files
> need to be visible to the XEmacs process via NFS or some other form of
> remote filesystem mounting.

If the files are accessible via ftp, you could use either ange-ftp or efs
(ange-ftp++) to edit files on those remote machines.

ange-ftp is shipped with XEmacs 19.14, to invoke just attempt to find a file
with the following syntax:

  /user@host:path

efs is in beta test.  It can be found from tomorrow from the web page:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/efs
-- 
						-- ange -- <><

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Subject: XEmacs 19.14:switch-to-buffer-other-frame bug

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4) of Sat Jun 29 1996 on sanctuary

The wrong buffer is selected within the new frame if *shell* is selected.
I could only recreate this problem with *shell* as the selected buffer.

Create a shell. 
Switch to *scratch*
Do switch-to-buffer-other-frame and select *shell*

------

Secondly, when reporting this problem I used report-emacs-bug. After
entering the subject the following error message was shown in the
minibuffer.

Symbol's value as variable is void: system-configuration-options

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Oliver Bedford <bedford@triton.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:
> 
> j_m@nfuel.com (Jeff McElroy) writes:
> 
> > After upgrading to version XEmacs 19.14 I've noticed a very slow behavior
> > when typing.  I can get up to 10 or more keystrokes in before XEmacs 
> > catches up. Has anyone noticed this behavior or found a solution for this?
> > 
> > I'm using the precompiled binaries for the HP-UX 9.05.
> 
>   Same problem here. I have compiled XEmacs myself, so precompilation 
> seems not to be the problem.
> 
>   Oliver
> 

I'm seeing the same problem here.  One thing I've noticed though.
I've been doing a lot of Java programming lately, so in Java-mode I've
seen Xemacs regularly get into a situation where it's rescanning the
buffer for every keystroke.  That is, whenever I type a key I see the
message "rescanning buffer (100%)" flash on the mode-line.  Weather
the scanning is being done for fontification, indentation or both I
can't say.  I've tried setting my option to lazy fontification with no
noticeable difference.

Hope this info helps.

-- 
Corby Bacco 
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>>>> 'Scott Evans (gse@ocsystems.com)' asked the following:

 SE> Now that I've got the new Gnus customized just so, I'm liking it just
 SE> fine.  But there's one thing I miss from the old one.  When I posted an
 SE> article in GNUS, I was prompted for the newsgroup and subject in the
 SE> minibuffer, and the newgroup completed.
[snip]
 SE> Ideas?

I too missed the old behavior. So I created the following. Place in your .gnus
file.

%<-----%<-----%<-----%<-----%<--CUT HERE--%<-----%<-----%<-----%<-----%<

(defvar my-gnus-subject-history nil
  "Holds the history of all Subject lines entered using the 'my-message-news'
function.")

(defun my-complete-group ()
  "Simple function to access GNUS active information using completing-read"
  (completing-read "Group: " gnus-active-hashtb nil (gnus-read-active-file-p)
				   nil 'gnus-group-history)
  )

;;
;; What I would **really** like is mail-abbrev behavior: type part of a group
;; name and let <space> attempt to expand as much as possible. This will do
;; for now...
;;
(defun my-insert-news-group ()
  "*Insert a new GNUS group name into the buffer at point."
  (interactive)
  (let ((group (my-complete-group)))
	(and group
		 (> (length group) 0)
		 (insert group))
	))

(defun my-message-news (group subject)
  "*Create a new message buffer for a news posting. Fills in the Newsgroup
and Subject header with user-supplied values and leaves the point at the
start of the article body."
  (interactive
   (list (my-complete-group)
		 (read-string "Subject: " my-gnus-subject-history)))
  (message-news group subject))

(define-key gnus-group-mode-map '(a) 'my-message-news)
(define-key message-mode-map '(f2) 'my-complete-group)

%<-----%<-----%<-----%<-----%<--CUT HERE--%<-----%<-----%<-----%<-----%<



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Subject: Re: buffers menu
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:20:46 -0400
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Sobhan Padamati wrote:
> 
> When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so that
> I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ?? IT helps a lot
> when you are using TAGS ....Ofcourse C-x C-b would show this but I would
> like to see it in the menu.
> 
> thanks
> - Sobhan

I use this in my .emacs file:
;; Display full directory name of file in title bar
(setq frame-title-format '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory
dired-directory "%b"))))

This will display the entire path in the top title bar, may this will help
you.

-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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Oliver Bedford <bedford@triton.pc.uni-koeln.de> writes:

> j_m@nfuel.com (Jeff McElroy) writes:

>> After upgrading to version XEmacs 19.14 I've noticed a very slow behavior
>> when typing.  I can get up to 10 or more keystrokes in before XEmacs
>> catches up. Has anyone noticed this behavior or found a solution for this?

>> I'm using the precompiled binaries for the HP-UX 9.05.

> Same problem here. I have compiled XEmacs myself, so precompilation seems
> not to be the problem.

Typing speed seems okay with the precompiled binaries on HP712/HP-UX9.05.

Only strange slowdown I've noticed is the startup of Gnus.  It seems to take
an awful long time to load the Gnus libraries during which XEmacs sits there
with a blank screen.  All other packages at least report that the library is
being loaded during this time.  Strange...
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>>>>> "CB" == Corby Bacco <bacco@sphinx.fsl.noaa.gov> writes:

    CB> That is, whenever I type a key I see the message "rescanning
    CB> buffer (100%)" flash on the mode-line.  Weather the scanning
    CB> is being done for fontification, indentation or both I can't
    CB> say.

That's not a message that cc-mode's java-mode displays, so it wouldn't
be for indentation...

-B

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: buffers menu
Date: 12 Jul 1996 13:06:11 -0600
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> > When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so
> > that I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ??

Use uniquify.el, this gives better names for buffers (eg Makefile|proj1 and
Makefile|proj2) that will make it to the buffer menu.

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From: George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu>
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Subject: problem with vc in 19.14
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I'm just switching over to XEmacs and have encountered a problem with
version control (using RCS).

When I check a file out, I may edit it over a period of several days
before checking it back in.  During that period I will exit XEmacs
(and even log out) several times.  XEmacs seems to get confused about
the status of the file, and I've lost work because of this.

Here's what happens:
  1.  Open a file, edit and save it, register it.
  2.  (Sometime later) visit the file and check it out (^X^Q).  Edit
      the file and save it.  Exit XEmacs.
  3.  Start XEmacs.  Visit the file and edit it some more.  Save the
      file and try to check it in (^X^Q).  XEmacs asks whether to
      rever the buffer.  If you answer "yes", it wipes out the edits
      since the last checkin.  If you say no, the buffer stays the
      same but is set read-only.  If you then do ^X^Q to toggle that,
      XEmacs replaces the buffer contents with the last checked in
      version with out asking any questions at all.

This does not happen with FSF Emacs (19.31 or earlier).  I tried
loading vc and setting vc-mistrust-permissions and
vc-checkout-carefully to t, but that didn't seem to have any effect.
vc-directory correctly shows the file as locked.

It doesn't seem appropriate for me to check the file back in while I'm
in the middle of making changes, just because I'm logging out.  Is
there anything else I can do?  Am I just misunderstanding the vc user
interface? 

	George




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No matter how hard I try I can't break the habit of hitting RETURN at
the end of the line when in auto-fill mode. Perhaps because I still
have to do that in C-mode. The result is bad: one word gets wrapped to
the next line and then I get put on a blank line after that.

I would like to try to fix this so that the RETURN key gets converted
to a space when autofill decides to wrap. That seems eminently
sensible behaviour. But I can't find where autofill is implemented in
order to change it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Jonathan

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	In emacs, I would use

(setq Info-directory-list (cons 
			   (expand-file-name "~/info")
			   Info-default-directory-list))

	to add a personal info directory.  When I ran info, it would
load the dir files from the both the Info-default-directory-list and
~/info.  In xemacs, it's only loading the dir file from ~/info.  Is it
possible to get the emacs info behavior, or do I have to copy the
entire Info-default-directory-list dir file into my personal dir file?

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dkarr@gtenmo1.mtv.gtegsc.com (David Karr) writes:

> If I put the SparcWorks path before the XEmacs 19.14 path, when I run
> "xemacs", I get the old (19.13) xemacs.  If I reverse them, with the
> path for 19.14 before the SparcWorks path, then I get the correct
> xemacs, but when it starts up, I see "loading cl-extra", and then I
> get "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil".  I resolved this by putting
> the SparcWorks path first, then putting a "xemacs" symlink in my
> $HOME/bin directory to the installed location of the 19.14 Xemacs.  My
> $HOME/bin comes before both the SparcWorks and XEmacs 19.14 paths.  I
> don't consider this a great solution.

A better solution (for now) is to make sure your PATH contains no
leading, trailing, or consecutive `:' characters.

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George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu> writes:
> Here's what happens:
>   1.  Open a file, edit and save it, register it.
>   2.  (Sometime later) visit the file and check it out (^X^Q).  Edit
>       the file and save it.  Exit XEmacs.
>   3.  Start XEmacs.  Visit the file and edit it some more.  Save the
>       file and try to check it in (^X^Q).

\C-x\C-q is bound by default to vc-toggle-read-only.

You should probably use vc-next-action (bound by default to \C-x v v) to
check a file in and out.

Hope this helps,

-- 
    --- John.

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From: mmitch@bnr.ca (Mike Mitchell)
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Hi, I am asking this question for a person whom can not upgrade to Linux
and must use Windows (3.11).

He would very much like Xemacs (he just left a unix workstation job and
got addicted).

If not Xemacs, how about emacs19 or emacs18?


Can anyone help ?

Thanks Much in Advance!
-- 
Regards, Mike
[END]


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Firebeard <stend+c.e.xemacs@grendel.texas.net> writes:

> 	In emacs, I would use

> (setq Info-directory-list (cons 
> 			   (expand-file-name "~/info")
> 			   Info-default-directory-list))

> 	to add a personal info directory.  When I ran info, it would
> load the dir files from the both the Info-default-directory-list and
> ~/info.  In xemacs, it's only loading the dir file from ~/info.  Is it
> possible to get the emacs info behavior, or do I have to copy the
> entire Info-default-directory-list dir file into my personal dir file?

This getting to be FAQ!  (Steve?)

Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently.  If you're trying to
support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes to remember:

1. Emacs Info reads Info-directory-list from left-to-right while XEmacs Info
   reads it from right-to-left, so append to the list accordingly.
2. Info-default-directory-list may not be defined at startup in all versions
   of Emacs/XEmacs, *but* use it if it's available to set
   Info-directory-list.
3. Emacs Info looks for a standard 'dir' file in each of the listed
   directories and "magically" concatenates them together.
4. XEmacs Info looks for a 'localdir' file (consisting of just simple menu
   entries) in each of the listed directories (except the first), concatenates
   them together, and attaches this list to the 'dir' file in the first
   directory.

Fun, huh?
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In article <NARAYANA.96Jul5200825@bashan.cs.wisc.edu> narayana@bashan.cs.wisc.edu (Narayanan Anand) writes:
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>Hello,

>I just tried out xemacs and I find that the command M-x
>set-background-color does not work! How do I change the background
>color ~dynamically~ in xemacs? The command line argument, of course,
>just gives it an initial color...


>-- 
>Anand
>http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~anand

M-x  set-face-background , then follow the bouncing ball.


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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> >>>>> "BH" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
> 
>     BH> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show
>     BH> a new window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by
>     BH> hitting a key (eg. an arrow key).
> 
> What window manager are you using?  I have seen this problem only with
> some earlier 19.14 betas and fvwm 2.0.42. [...]

With 19.13 I've experienced this in two ways: it doesn't always
respond to a close-window signal from the window manager (fvwm 2.? and
maybe olwm), and with a telnet connection in Gnus, when moving from
one article to the next it seems to hang often like this.

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>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Daffner <vizzie@airmail.net> writes:

Larry> I'm having a problem or 2 with converting from GNU emacs to the Xemacs
Larry> version.  There's a few things I can't quite figure out if I can do in
Larry> Xemacs... 

Larry> 2) Switching key definitions

Larry> IE, swapping C-s and C-\ in the emacs keymap. (don't have the lisp code
Larry> for this one handy).

Check out utils/flow-ctrl.el:
;;; flow-ctrl.el --- help for lusers on cu(1) or ttys with wired-in ^S/^Q flow control

This looks like the same code as GNU Emacs uses.

enable-flow-control: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "flow-ctrl".
Toggle flow control handling.
When handling is enabled, user can type C-s as C-\, and C-q as C-^.
With arg, enable flow control mode if arg is positive, otherwise disable.

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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Valery <valery@dobie.Cadence.COM> writes:

Mark> I've been trying different ways to bind set-auto-mode
Mark> to \C-x 54 but it isn't working. Xemacs 19.14
Mark> says "Wrong type argument: commandp, set-auto-mode".

Mark> Is this because set-auto-mode is a byte-compiled function
Mark> and I need to bind it to a key differently?

(global-set-key "\C-x54"
		'(lambda (&optional arg) (interactive) (set-auto-mode)))

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Hi all

I havent used Xemacs for very long but I find it a great tool for 
programming and the hiliting really helps. 
But what I wonder is if there is some tool that hilites functionnames. 
For example if I have a function called "getline" then is it possible 
to hilite every occurence of getline? 


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Hello,

Being a Linux-newbie, I also can be considered an emacs-newby. I must
say I am realy impressed by the program.
One of the main uses of xemacs for me is html-editting. I imported the
the hm--html-menus-4.16 in my configuration but I am not realy
satisfied with it. For instance, I can't find the <Hx> option when I
mark a paragraph. I can't mark a block of text for transforming it to
a (bullited) list/ etc. etc.

So my question is: Are there any html-extensions known that can
fullfull my wishes? 

Where should I look for information?


Any response would be highly appreciated.

Servet Utku




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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> > > When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so
> > > that I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ??
> 
> Use uniquify.el, this gives better names for buffers (eg Makefile|proj1 and
> Makefile|proj2) that will make it to the buffer menu.

*But*, uniquify does not play nicely with Gnus 5.2 (shipped with XEmacs 19.14).

There is some indication that there may be a version of uniquify that doesn't
have this problem, but no luck so far...

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Info-directory-list in xemacs 19-14
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David Masterson (davidm@baldy.kla.com) wrote:
> 1. Emacs Info reads Info-directory-list from left-to-right while XEmacs Info
>    reads it from right-to-left, so append to the list accordingly.

Why is this so in XEmacs? Reading left-to-right seems to be the right
thing because of compatibility with load-path and the others.

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Scott Evans (gse@ocsystems.com) wrote:
> Now that I've got the new Gnus customized just so, I'm liking it just
> fine.  But there's one thing I miss from the old one.  When I posted an
> article in GNUS, I was prompted for the newsgroup and subject in the
> minibuffer, and the newgroup completed.  This was a great feature since (1)

Newsgroup completes in the Message buffer (at least it works for
me). So, it says:
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.x[TAB]
and it completes.

> and (2) when you actually entered the *news* buffer, point was right where
> you wanted to start typing.  It's a nit, but it bugs me to have to type in
> a subject and then cursor down to the text area to start typing my message.

I cannot help you with this one. :(

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From: robert.ribnitz@unifr.ch (Robert Ribnitz)
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Subject: VC: (XEMACS 19,14/Solaris) where is a documentation?
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Hi there,
this is my firts posting to this gorup. (so sorry for anything I might
di wrong..)

This is the environment I work in: 

	XEmacs 19.14
	Sparc Sun SOLARIS 
	(SParcstation 5 with 64 MB RAM)

Having to develop a large program in C, (may files in different
directories), I started using VC ..

I have the problem that I do not find odcumentation for this utility
(the unix command VC seems ot do something else, in the FAQ's VC is
not mentioned, and there is no package documentatiuon for it..
so where is a decent manual (Something like a 50 pages postcript file
or so..)

yours

Robert Ribnitz


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>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

Firebeard <stend+c.e.xemacs@grendel.texas.net> writes:

Sten> In emacs, I would use

Sten> (setq Info-directory-list (cons 
Sten> (expand-file-name "~/info")
Sten> Info-default-directory-list))

Sten> to add a personal info directory.  When I ran info, it would
Sten> load the dir files from the both the Info-default-directory-list
Sten> and ~/info.  In xemacs, it's only loading the dir file from
Sten> ~/info.  Is it possible to get the emacs info behavior, or do I
Sten> have to copy the entire Info-default-directory-list dir file
Sten> into my personal dir file?

David> This getting to be FAQ!  (Steve?)

O.K.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_11

You left out the alternative I prefer, which is to convert the info to
HTML with texi2html and view it in Lynx.  :-)
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas A Peterson <tap@aristotle.src.honeywell.com> writes:

Thomas> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4) of Sat Jun 29
Thomas> 1996 on sanctuary The wrong buffer is selected within the new
Thomas> frame if *shell* is selected.  I could only recreate this
Thomas> problem with *shell* as the selected buffer.

Thomas> Create a shell. 
Thomas> Switch to *scratch*
Thomas> Do switch-to-buffer-other-frame and select *shell*

This problem is well-known and should be addressed in 19.15.

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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: OOBR - Getting Started
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:59:06 -0400
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This is my second posting. I didn't receive a reply to my first.
Why? I'm intrigued by OOBR but find the documentation inadequate to
get going. Any advice would be most welcome.

I'm trying to use the OOBR for c++ and am having trouble
        getting started.

        1. Is this the right newsgroup for such? Does anyone know of
            of any tutorials, papers, concerning OOBR? Is it highly
            successful?

        2. I would like to do the following simple things.

           build an "environment" in directory /A
           and another in /B. And be able to switch back
           and forth between the two.
 
           Here is my first problem. /A/OOBR gets loaded fine
           and everything works. I choose OOBR/Environment/Create
           from the MenuBar. I get the warning message
     
            "Symbol's value as variable is void: id-tool-oo-browser"

        I have lots and lots of other problems I'd also like to
        resolve.

                     Thanks for any Enlightenment

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From: Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net>
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Subject: Manpath Question with XEmacs-19.14
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Has something changed from 19.13 dealing with the manpath ?
This is what I see:

ray:~/% echo $MANPATH
/usr/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/X11/man:/usr/X386/man

Exc-X man and then type in a manpage I get in the buffer:
File: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/nxterm.1x

But no manpage. I've tried several manpages from different locations
and it seems I can get some from /usr/man but not from anywhere else.
I also have Emacs-19.31 with the same MANPATH and it works just fine.
What am I not understanding here or doing dumb.

Any info appreciated, Thanks,


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Subject: RMIME wasn't designed/tested for Xemacs (was: Re: rmime vs. tm)
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In article <9607121414.AA04400@hp735.stru.polimi.it>, Giacomo Boffi
writes:
>   searching for the no-hassle mime decoder, i tried also rmime :-(,
>   but it seems that i have a problem using it with VM, that is when i
>   select a mime-encoded message, i have the following messages in the
>   minibuffer
>
>Formatting MIME message...
>Symbol's value as variable is void: rmail-highlighted-headers
>                                    ^^^^^

This is because RMIME was designed and tested with regular Emacs rather
than Xemacs.  In regular Emacs, rmail-highlighted-headers is always
defined, yes, even if rmail isn't loaded.

RMIME uses rmail-highlighted-headers to highlight selected headers when it
is displaying a RFC822 message encapsulated inside another message
(perhaps a digest).

Anybody want to help make RMIME work under Xemacs?  I am really not an
Xemacs whiz...

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From: Vinnie Shelton  <shelton@icd.teradyne.com>
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Someone (Bill Perry?) wanted to know if anyone had W3 working with
Solaris.  W3 works for me here under both Solaris 2.4 and 2.5,
although it's a tad slow.  I didn't have to do anything special to set
it up.  We're using a firewall, and therefore proxy servers, in case
that matters.

--vin


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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
To: XEmacs Mailing <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: XEmacs very, very slow if you have a huge buffer...
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1) Load a big file into XEmacs ( ~ 40000 lines of text)
2) Load another short file, e.g. a perl-script, with ~150 lines.

Try editing the short file, you will find that any change takes a
while till it is reflected ( moving the arrows, adding characters,
etc).

With XEmacs 19.13 there is no such problem!.

Any hint?... I guess that font-lock has something to do with this!


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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
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Subject: [Q] yank works differently from 19.13 and 19.14?
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I had the following defun:

    (defun my-copy-line ()
      "Copy the current line into the kill-ring buffer...."
      (interactive)
      (let (beg
       	    end)
        (beginning-of-line)
        (setq beg (point-marker))
        (forward-line 1)
        (setq end (point-marker))
        (kill-ring-save beg end))
    )

Which in 19.13 copied the current line in the kill-ring buffer.

By running several consecutive times this defun, you were able to add
several lines into the kill-ring, and then, by running 'yank' you got
all of them together back. (e.g. coping several consecutive lines by
pressing a F-key (that, my-copy-line is assigned to it), 
and then, goto another location, and yank them all out.)

In 19.14 yank only shows me the last line (The last time my-copy-line
was run)

Any hint?

  (describe function of 'yank' & 'kill-ring-save' show the same 
   information  between the two versions of XEmacs)


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Subject: [Q] fkey- functions desapeared in 19.14?
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All the lisp functions defined as fkey-xxxxxxxx are not defined in 19.14.

For example, from XEmacs 19.13:

	fkey-backward-char	      fkey-end-of-line		    fkey-popup-mode-menu
	fkey-backward-other-window    fkey-forward-char		    fkey-previous-line
	fkey-backward-paragraph	      fkey-forward-paragraph	    fkey-repeat-complex-command
	fkey-backward-sexp	      fkey-forward-sexp		    fkey-scroll-down
	fkey-backward-word	      fkey-forward-word		    fkey-scroll-left
	fkey-beginning-of-buffer      fkey-next-line		    fkey-scroll-other-window
	fkey-beginning-of-line	      fkey-other-window		    fkey-scroll-right
	fkey-end-of-buffer	      fkey-overwrite-mode	    fkey-scroll-up

Any hint?

P.D. - I found that the same functions are defined, but without the
       'fkey-' prefix.  (Are they the same functions that have migrated?)
     
     - I asked this before, but got no answers  ( "[Q] To -fkey or not to
       fkey-?" as Subject)

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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Sun Jul 14 05:54:51 1996
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From: Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de>
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Subject: ?: lisp tutorial
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Hi,

is there a small XEmacs-Lisp tutorial available for people who don't
know anything about lisp?

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha        ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

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From: Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de>
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Subject: late evaluation
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:48:32 +0200
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Hi,

I did some changes to the tex-mode to make it a bit more convenient to
edit german TeX-files. Normally the tex-mode inserts for

	" `` or ''

but with the german.sty it has to insert

	"` or "'

There are also some other things for which the "-char is necessary.
Therefor I changed the tex-mode.el in this way:

(defvar tex-open-quote "\"`"
(defvar tex-close-quote "\"'"
(define-key tex-mode-map "\M-\"" 'tex-insert-quote)

But I don't like to change the tex-mode directly. I would prefer to put
this in my .emacs file. But at the moment the .emacs is read the
tex-mode is not running. So I can't change the vars because the don't
exist.

Is there a way to put the changes in the .emacs file in that way, that
they will be evaluated with the start or the tex-mode?

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha        ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Sun Jul 14 06:21:54 1996
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Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> wrote:

>I'm trying to use the OOBR for c++ and am having trouble
>        getting started.

It sounds promising, but it is now well installed. I haven't got around
it yet, but xoobr for example must be installed by hand (or did I
overlook anything?).

--
Axel Thimm <thimm@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de>
Fachbereich Physik, Freie Universitaet Berlin


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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: [Q] fkey- functions desapeared in 19.14?
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ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> All the lisp functions defined as fkey-xxxxxxxx are not defined in 19.14.

They were replaced by the new key-mapping functionality in 19.14.
You're supposed to use function-key-map and keyboard-translate
instead, I think (although it's not clear the implementation has been
finalized yet).
-- 
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: ?: lisp tutorial
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Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:

> is there a small XEmacs-Lisp tutorial available for people who don't
> know anything about lisp?

prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz

Then the Lisp Reference Manual ...

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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Meland <meland@sp050.cern.ch> writes:

Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:
steinar> It's getting better.  The earlier ones were real bastards.
 ...
Harald> It might be easy to install if you are doing so in the standard
Harald> directories, but as I haven't got the permissions for that I can't.

Nope.  Unless you mean letting it go directly into /usr/local/share.
The current installation (7.71) is as easy to install as it has ever
been and only requires (for me) tweaking of PREFIX, EXEC_PREFIX in
tm/TM-CFG.  What's better (for me) is that the installation now
correctly deals with multiple Emacsen, in that I can byte compile
versions for GNU Emacs 19.31, XEmacs 19.14, and XEmacs 20.0/mule out
of the same source tree :-).

steinar> That said, if you're planning to stay with VM then I think rmime is
steinar> the best alternative for the time being.  For mh-e or Gnus, tm is far
steinar> superior (as well as bigger, and incredibly more complex).

Harald> As for Gnus, I'm waiting for the builtin support (in Red Gnus?) -- I
Harald> really haven't seen that many news articles using MIME.

Um.  tm *is* the builtin support for Gnus.
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>>>>> "Sascha" == Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:

Sascha> There are also some other things for which the "-char is necessary.
Sascha> Therefor I changed the tex-mode.el in this way:

Sascha> (defvar tex-open-quote "\"`"
Sascha> (defvar tex-close-quote "\"'"
Sascha> (define-key tex-mode-map "\M-\"" 'tex-insert-quote)

Sascha> But I don't like to change the tex-mode directly. I would prefer to put
Sascha> this in my .emacs file. But at the moment the .emacs is read the
Sascha> tex-mode is not running. So I can't change the vars because the don't
Sascha> exist.

Sascha> Is there a way to put the changes in the .emacs file in that way, that
Sascha> they will be evaluated with the start or the tex-mode?

This is exactly what mode hooks are used for.

(defun my-tex-mode-hook ()
  (setq tex-open-quote "\"`")
  (setq tex-close-quote "\"'")
  (define-key tex-mode-map "\M-\"" 'tex-insert-quote))

(add-hook 'tex-mode-hook 'my-tex-mode-hook)

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Subject: problems building XEmacs-19.14 on a mips-dec-ultrix4.3
From: Fred Henle <henle@cs.dartmouth.edu>
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I'm having trouble building XEmacs-19.14 on a mips-dec-ultrix4.3 from
the canonical source.  I've bypassed two minor problems, but I'm stuck
on a third.

I configured for the build with:

	./configure  --site-includes=/usr/contrib/include --site-libraries=/usr/contrib/lib --prefix=/usr/contrib --with-xpm --with-xface --x-libraries=/usr/local/lib --x-includes=/usr/include

The first problem was that it couldn't find `src/s/ultrix4-3.h', so I
made it a symbolic link to the existing `src/s/ultrix.h'.

The second problem involved the multiple inclusion of a system header
file from `lib-src/emacsserver.c' so I ran the preprocessor to make an
intermediate file `lib-src/emacsserver.i' and edited it before going on.

The third problem surfaces when making temacs.  Here is what I saw:
________________________________________________________________________

gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/contrib/lib  -L/usr/local/lib                   -L. -L../lwlib    -G 14   `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/cmplrs/cc/crt0.o  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o         callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o      keymap.o         lread.o lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o            objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o     rangetab.o realpath.o  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o    scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specif!
!
ier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o        toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexmips.o       console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o     window.o termcap.o tparam.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm -lXpm -lcompface  -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11                            -ldbm       `gcc -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc      `gcc -print-libgcc-file-name`  
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
              0 in the positive direction,
         208288 in the negative direction.
GetLocaleCharsets
I18nCreateDefaultFontList
I18nHasSubstring
I18nCSConstructInit
I18nCSConstructEnd
I18nCSConstructSegment
I18nCSConstructLine
I18nCvtCStoFCInit
I18nCvtCStoFCEnd
I18nCvtCStoFCSegment
I18nCvtCStoFCLine
I18nCvtCStoOSInit
I18nCvtCStoOSEnd
I18nCvtCStoOSSegment
I18nCvtCStoOSLine
I18nCvtFCtoCS
I18nCvtOStoCS
XUniqueContext
_XtAddPDDestroyCallback
_Xt_LoadQueryFont
LowerCase
_XtAddCallbackForOtherWidget
my_edata: both a large and small symbol (possible gp relocation errors may result)
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 512 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 520 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 12
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
make: *** [temacs] Error 1
________________________________________________________________________

The first time I saw the above message it said:

	Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 14

and so I rebuilt all the object files in the directory with `-G 14'
added and tried once again to make temacs.  The only difference it
seemed to make is that it recommended `-G 12' instead of `-G 14'.

The flag `-G' is a MIPS architecture-specific flag of gcc whose
description follows:

`-G NUM'
     Put global and static items less than or equal to NUM bytes into
     the small data or bss sections instead of the normal data or bss
     section.  This allows the assembler to emit one word memory
     reference instructions based on the global pointer (GP or $28),
     instead of the normal two words used.  By default, NUM is 8 when
     the MIPS assembler is used, and 0 when the GNU assembler is used.
     The `-G NUM' switch is also passed to the assembler and linker.
     All modules should be compiled with the same `-G NUM' value.

I am using gcc-2.7.2 without gas (the GNU assembler).

I have no idea what to do next.  Has anyone else successfully built
XEmacs-19.14 for a DECstation running Ultrix?

-- 
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Configured for `i586-unknown-linuxaout1.2.8'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/cg/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -g -O 
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R6/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R6/lib
  Additional header files:                                 /usr/include/ncurses
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for Berkeley DB.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.

When linking temacs, I get:
lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here

Pointers? I fear I probably need to upgrade my Linux version...
--
cg

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You may want to see how far back your news server has
articles from this group.  There were several posts on
this topic a while ago.  Here is what I recall as to what
I did:

 - link ultrix.h with ultrix4-3.h (you already did that)
 - configure with --rel-alloc=no
 - comment out #include <sys/socket.h> from emacsclient (you had a different
   approach which is probably equally as good)
 - In alloc.c, 467:
    #ifndef HAVE_XPM
    #ifdef NEED_STRDUP
    ...
    #endif
    #endif
 - In emacs.c change:
*** 1621,1627 ****
  /* Nothing like this can be implemented on an Apollo.
     What a loss!  */
  
! extern int my_edata;
  
  #ifdef HAVE_SHM
  
--- 1621,1627 ----
  /* Nothing like this can be implemented on an Apollo.
     What a loss!  */
  
! extern  char my_edata[27];
  
  #ifdef HAVE_SHM


I think that is it.  I hope the XEmacs maintainers have
noted the needed changes for version 19.15.


-- 

                                 John


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Gnus in XEmacs 19.14 works in all ways as it should except that when I
post, it tells me I have a misconfigured system, and it can't seem to
find my local domain name.  This does not happen running GNU Emacs
19.31 on the same machine -- a SPARC 5 running Solaris 2.5.  I'm
currently using the precompiled binaries, but had the same problem
when I compiled XEmacs myself.  I have the following in my .emacs
file:

  (setq gnus-local-domain "mlb.dmt.csiro.au")
  (setq gnus-local-organization "CSIRO, Melbourne Laboratory")

XEmacs finds the second of these, but appears to ignore the first.  

I'm posting from XEmacs so you can get a look at the header.  (I had
to add the domain name to my return address manually.)

Any help appreciated.  Thanks.

-chris-

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Problem linking temacs in linux 1.2.8
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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Goetze <cg@bigbook.com> writes:

Christian> Configured for `i586-unknown-linuxaout1.2.8'.
 ...
Christian> When linking temacs, I get:
Christian> lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
Christian> lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here

Christian> Pointers? I fear I probably need to upgrade my Linux version...

That would be your best bet.  Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org>
posted an answer to this problem two weeks ago that might help you out:

(I never saw a followup as to whether this really solves the problem.
If it does work I'll put it in the FAQ).

Subject:      Re: Error making (x)emacs in Linux
From:         Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org>
Date:         1996/07/02
Message-Id:   <m2k9wmfs8j.fsf@nataa.fr.eu.org>

put aside your obsolete ncurses lib :
 cd /usr/lib
 mv libncurses.a.old
(same for .so, .sa ... in /usr/local/lib ...)

then configure and make


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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: remove 'system load' number from mode line
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:29:04 -0500
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A three digit number, such as 0.26 , appears on my mode line. 
I have been told that this is the 'system load', but I never 
use this information (should I? how?) and thus would like to 
remove it from the mode line. How can I do this?

If you reply I would appreciate an email copy. 
______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: file names, CWD in mode line
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:35:33 -0500
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(1) By putting the line 

(setq-default mode-line-buffer-identification '(buffer-file-name "%f"
"%b"))

in .emacs file I get the mode line to display the full file name. 

Can I get the modeline to abbreviate my home directory with the 
standard ~, so for example 

/users/vrao/computer/some_file     

is displayed  as

~/computer/some_file. 

(2) When I run the shell within the emacs, can I make the mode line
of the shell buffer display the current working directory?

I would appreciate an email copy of your reply. 

______________________________________
Vivek Rao                             
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http://www-ceg.ceg.uiuc.edu/~vrao/
Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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How do I configure gnus to spawn a new frame running w3 when
I want to browse a url from within an article?

Currently it puts the web page over the article buffer.

thanks.

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I don't know what changed but I made a symbolic link from
/usr/X11/man/man1 to /usr/X11/man/man1x and it could
find and display the X man pages just fine.  Seems like a dumb thing
to have to do, though.  Is there a real fix we can do?


Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> wrote:

>Has something changed from 19.13 dealing with the manpath ?
>This is what I see:
>
>ray:~/% echo $MANPATH
>/usr/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/X11/man:/usr/X386/man
>
>Exc-X man and then type in a manpage I get in the buffer:
>File: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/nxterm.1x
>
>But no manpage. I've tried several manpages from different locations
>and it seems I can get some from /usr/man but not from anywhere else.
>I also have Emacs-19.31 with the same MANPATH and it works just fine.
>What am I not understanding here or doing dumb.
>
>Any info appreciated, Thanks,
>
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From: Weiping Hu <whu@deakin.edu.au>
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I'm having difficulties in making xemacs 19.14 to execute programs in
the directory /usr/local/bin.  This both happens to the inferior shell
invoked by M-x shell, and when I ftp a file in *.tar.gz format.  In
the latter case xemacs complains that it cannot find program gzip
which is in directory /usr/local/bin.  The same happens with ispell.  

How do I change the searching path for shell?  I have the right path
in my .profile, but obviously xemacs is not trying to read it.

Any help appreciated.

-weiping

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From: yogendra@numbat.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (Yogendra )
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Subject: problem with printing.. :-(
Date: 15 Jul 1996 07:10:24 GMT
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Hi,	
	I've been using xemacs on my linux box at home for a while now
without any problems. Xemacs has just been installed at my uni
and I cant seem to be able to print from it. 

Whenever I try to print, it gives me the following message:
Spooling...done

But the job is not queued on any of the printers. When I try to 
"pretty-print" it takes a little longer to process and tell me that
the document has been printed. However, I cant see the job on ANY
of the queues that my university has. Is there a way by which I could
tell xemacs to print to a particular printer? The administrator at
the university is pretty busy all the time, so I would not want to
bother him unless absolutely necessary.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

yogendra
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From: thimm@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm)
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Hello,
I am using auctex 9.4g with xemacs 19.13.
When I try to get into Latex-mode I get
Wrong number of arguments: #<subr make-sparse-keymap>, 1
I am not talking elisp, so I cannot figure what is wrong.
The same init file works with emacs 19.29 and xemacs 19.13/14
on a freebsd machine.
I tried to trace anz *.elc file in the way and deleted it.
Any suggestions are wellcome,

thanks, Axel.
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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:



   >>>>> "BH" == Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

       BH> Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show
       BH> a new window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by
       BH> hitting a key (eg. an arrow key).

   What window manager are you using?  I have seen this problem only with
   some earlier 19.14 betas and fvwm 2.0.42.  I have not seen it yet with
   the 19.14 release and fvwm 2.0.42, but I know that others have.  I've
   seen reports on both the fvwm mailing list and the XEmacs beta list
   that it occurs with other window managers.  I don't think anybody's
   verified whether its a XEmacs bug, Fvwm bug, some combination, or
   what.


This happens with Gnus sometimes. I'm running 19.14 under SunOS4.1.3
and fvwm 2.0.42.

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man.el is junk.  It shouldn't be looking at $MANPATH at all, it should
just be invoking "man" and parsing the output; end of story.  Here:

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;;; man.el --- browse UNIX manual pages
;; Keywords: help

;; Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, 1994, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;;
;; This file is part of XEmacs.

;; XEmacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
;; under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; XEmacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
;; General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with XEmacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free
;; Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; This file defines "manual-entry", and the remaining definitions all
;; begin with "Manual-".  This makes the autocompletion on "M-x man" work.
;; 
;; Eviscerated 26-Jun-96 by Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>.
;; All that stuff about looking at $MANPATH and building up lists of 
;; directories was bullshit.  Now we just invoke "man" and format the
;; output, end of story.
;;
;; [ older changelog entries removed, since they're all about code that
;;   I've deleted. ]

(defvar Manual-program "man" "\
*Name of the program to invoke in order to format the source man pages.")

(defvar Manual-buffer-view-mode t "\
*Whether manual buffers should be placed in view-mode.
nil means leave the buffer in fundamental-mode in another window.
t means use `view-buffer' to display the man page in the current window.
Any other value means use `view-buffer-other-window'.")

(defvar Manual-mode-hook nil
  "Function or functions run on entry to Manual-mode.")

(defvar Manual-page-history nil "\
A list of names of previously visited man page buffers.")


;; New variables.

(make-face 'man-italic)
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-italic)
    (copy-face 'italic 'man-italic))
;; XEmacs (from Darrell Kindred): underlining is annoying due to
;; large blank spaces in this face.
;; (or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-italic)
;;    (set-face-underline-p 'man-italic t))

(make-face 'man-bold)
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-bold)
    (copy-face 'bold 'man-bold))
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-bold)
    (copy-face 'man-italic 'man-bold))

(make-face 'man-heading)
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-heading)
    (copy-face 'man-bold 'man-heading))

(make-face 'man-xref)
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'man-xref)
    (set-face-underline-p 'man-xref t))

(defvar Manual-mode-map
  (let ((m (make-sparse-keymap)))
    (set-keymap-name m 'Manual-mode-map)
    (define-key m "l" 'Manual-last-page)
    (define-key m 'button2 'Manual-follow-xref)
    (define-key m 'button3 'Manual-popup-menu)
    m))

;;;###autoload
(defun manual-entry (topic &optional arg silent)
  "Display the Unix manual entry (or entries) for TOPIC."
  (interactive
   (list (let* ((fmh "-A-Za-z0-9_.")
		(default (save-excursion
			   (buffer-substring
			    (progn
			      (re-search-backward "\\sw" nil t)
			      (skip-chars-backward fmh) (point))
			    (progn (skip-chars-forward fmh) (point)))))
		(thing (read-string
			(if (equal default "") "Manual entry: "
			  (concat "Manual entry: (default " default ") ")))))
	   (if (equal thing "") default thing))
	 (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-arg)))
  ;;(interactive "sManual entry (topic): \np")
  (or arg (setq arg 1))
  (let (section apropos-mode)
    (let ((case-fold-search nil))
      (if (and (null section)
	       (string-match "\\`[ \t]*\\([^( \t]+\\)[ \t]*(\\(.+\\))[ \t]*\\'"
			     topic))
	  (setq section (substring topic (match-beginning 2)
				   (match-end 2))
		topic (substring topic (match-beginning 1)
				 (match-end 1)))
	(if (string-match "\\`[ \t]*-k[ \t]+\\([^ \t]+\\)\\'" topic)
	    (setq section "-k"
		  topic (substring topic (match-beginning 1))))))

    ;; jwz: turn section "3x11" and "3n" into "3".
    (if (and section (string-match "\\`\\([0-9]+\\)[^0-9]" section))
	(setq section (substring section 0 (match-end 1))))
    (if (equal section "-k")
	(setq apropos-mode t))

    (let ((bufname (cond (apropos-mode
			  (concat "*man apropos " topic "*"))
			 (t
			  (concat "*man " topic
				  (if section (concat "." section) "")
				  "*"))))
	  (temp-buffer-show-function 
	   (cond ((eq 't Manual-buffer-view-mode)
		  'view-buffer)
		 ((eq 'nil Manual-buffer-view-mode)
		  temp-buffer-show-function)
		 (t
		  'view-buffer-other-window))))

      (cond ((get-buffer bufname)
	     ;; reselect an old man page buffer if it exists already.
	     (save-excursion
	       (set-buffer (get-buffer bufname))
	       (Manual-mode))
	     (if temp-buffer-show-function
		 (funcall temp-buffer-show-function (get-buffer bufname))
	       (display-buffer bufname)))
	    (t
	     (with-output-to-temp-buffer bufname
	       (buffer-disable-undo standard-output)
	       (save-excursion
		 (set-buffer standard-output)
		 (setq buffer-read-only nil)
		 (erase-buffer)

		 (let ((args (list topic))
		       args-string)
		   (if section
		       (setq args
			     (if (eq system-type 'usg-unix-v)
				 (cons "-s" (cons section args))
			       (cons section args))))
		   (setq args-string
			 (mapconcat 'identity (cons Manual-program args) " "))
		   (if (string-match "\\`\\([^ \t/]*/\\)+" args-string)
		       (setq args-string
			     (substring args-string (match-end 0))))

		   (message "%s (running...)" args-string)
		   (apply 'call-process Manual-program nil t nil args)

		   (if (< (buffer-size) 200)
		       (progn
			 (goto-char (point-min))
			 (error (buffer-substring (point)
						  (progn (end-of-line)
							 (point))))))

		   (message "%s (cleaning...)" args-string)
		   (Manual-nuke-nroff-bs apropos-mode)
		   (message "%s (done.)" args-string)
		   )

		 (set-buffer-modified-p nil)
		 (Manual-mode)
		 ))))
      (setq Manual-page-history
	    (cons (buffer-name)
		  (delete (buffer-name) Manual-page-history)))))
  (message nil)
  t)

(defun Manual-mode ()
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (setq buffer-read-only t)
  (use-local-map Manual-mode-map)
  (setq major-mode 'Manual-mode
	mode-name "Manual")
  ;; man pages with long lines are buggy!
  ;; This looks slightly better if they only
  ;; overran by a couple of chars.
  (setq truncate-lines t)
  ;; turn off horizontal scrollbars in this buffer
  (set-specifier scrollbar-height (cons (current-buffer) 0))
  (run-hooks 'Manual-mode-hook))

(defun Manual-last-page ()
  (interactive)
  (while (or (not (get-buffer (car (or Manual-page-history
				       (error "No more history.")))))
	     (eq (get-buffer (car Manual-page-history)) (current-buffer)))
    (setq Manual-page-history (cdr Manual-page-history)))
  (switch-to-buffer (car Manual-page-history)))


(defmacro Manual-delete-char (n)
  ;; in v19, delete-char is compiled as a function call, but delete-region
  ;; is byte-coded, so it's much faster.  (We were spending 40% of our time
  ;; in delete-char alone.)
  (list 'delete-region '(point) (list '+ '(point) n)))

;; Hint: BS stands form more things than "back space"
(defun Manual-nuke-nroff-bs (&optional apropos-mode)
  (interactive "*")
  ;;
  ;; turn underlining into italics
  ;;
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (while (search-forward "_\b" nil t)
    ;; searching for underscore-backspace and then comparing the following
    ;; chars until the sequence ends turns out to be much faster than searching
    ;; for a regexp which matches the whole sequence.
    (let ((s (match-beginning 0)))
      (goto-char s)
      (while (and (= (following-char) ?_)
		  (= (char-after (1+ (point))) ?\b))
	(Manual-delete-char 2)
	(forward-char 1))
      (set-extent-face (make-extent s (point)) 'man-italic)))
  ;;
  ;; turn overstriking into bold
  ;;
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (while (re-search-forward "\\([^\n]\\)\\(\b\\1\\)" nil t)
    ;; Surprisingly, searching for the above regexp is faster than searching
    ;; for a backspace and then comparing the preceding and following chars,
    ;; I presume because there are many false matches, meaning more funcalls
    ;; to re-search-forward.
    (let ((s (match-beginning 0)))
      (goto-char s)
      ;; Some systems (SGI) overstrike multiple times, eg, "M\bM\bM\bM".
      (while (looking-at "\\([^\n]\\)\\(\b\\1\\)+")
	(delete-region (+ (point) 1) (match-end 0))
	(forward-char 1))
      (set-extent-face (make-extent s (point)) 'man-bold)))
  ;;
  ;; hack bullets: o^H+ --> +
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (while (search-forward "\b" nil t)
    (Manual-delete-char -2))

  (if (> (buffer-size) 100) ; minor kludge
      (Manual-nuke-nroff-bs-footers))
  ;;
  ;; turn subsection header lines into bold
  ;;
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (if apropos-mode
      (while (re-search-forward "[a-zA-Z0-9] ([0-9]" nil t)
	(forward-char -2)
	(delete-backward-char 1))

    ;;    (while (re-search-forward "^[^ \t\n]" nil t)
    ;;      (set-extent-face (make-extent (match-beginning 0)
    ;;                                   (progn (end-of-line) (point)))
    ;;                      'man-heading))

    ;; boldface the first line
    (if (looking-at "[^ \t\n].*$")
	(set-extent-face (make-extent (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
			 'man-bold))

    ;; boldface subsequent title lines
    ;; Regexp to match section headers changed to match a non-indented
    ;; line preceded by a blank line and followed by an indented line. 
    ;; This seems to work ok for manual pages but gives better results
    ;; with other nroff'd files
    (while (re-search-forward "\n\n\\([^ \t\n].*\\)\n[ \t]+[^ \t\n]" nil t)
      (goto-char (match-end 1))
      (set-extent-face (make-extent (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
		       'man-heading)
      (forward-line 1))
    )

  ;; Zap ESC7,  ESC8, and ESC9
  ;; This is for Sun man pages like "man 1 csh"
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (while (re-search-forward "\e[789]" nil t)
    (replace-match ""))
  
  ;; Nuke blanks lines at start.
  ;;  (goto-char (point-min))
  ;;  (skip-chars-forward "\n")
  ;;  (delete-region (point-min) (point))

  (Manual-mouseify-xrefs)
  )

(fset 'nuke-nroff-bs 'Manual-nuke-nroff-bs) ; use old name


(defun Manual-nuke-nroff-bs-footers ()
  ;; Nuke headers and footers.
  ;;
  ;; nroff assumes pages are 66 lines high.  We assume that, and that the
  ;; first and last line on each page is expendible.  There is no way to
  ;; tell the difference between a page break in the middle of a paragraph
  ;; and a page break between paragraphs (the amount of extra whitespace
  ;; that nroff inserts is the same in both cases) so this might strip out
  ;; a blank line were one should remain.  I think that's better than
  ;; leaving in a blank line where there shouldn't be one.  (Need I say
  ;; it: FMH.)
  ;;
  ;; Note that if nroff spits out error messages, pages will be more than
  ;; 66 lines high, and we'll lose badly.  That's ok because standard
  ;; nroff doesn't do any diagnostics, and the "gnroff" wrapper for groff
  ;; turns off error messages for compatibility.  (At least, it's supposed
  ;; to.)
  ;; 
  (goto-char (point-min))
  ;; first lose the status output
  (let ((case-fold-search t))
    (if (and (not (looking-at "[^\n]*warning"))
	     (looking-at "Reformatting.*\n"))
	(delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))))

  ;; kludge around a groff bug where it won't keep quiet about some
  ;; warnings even with -Wall or -Ww.
  (cond ((looking-at "grotty:")
	 (while (looking-at "grotty:")
	   (delete-region (point) (progn (forward-line 1) (point))))
	 (if (looking-at " *done\n")
	     (delete-region (point) (match-end 0)))))

  (let ((pages '())
	p)
    ;; collect the page boundary markers before we start deleting, to make
    ;; it easier to strip things out without changing the page sizes.
    (while (not (eobp))
      (forward-line 66)
      (setq pages (cons (point-marker) pages)))
    (setq pages (nreverse pages))
    (while pages
      (goto-char (car pages))
      (set-marker (car pages) nil)
      ;;
      ;; The lines are: 3 blank; footer; 6 blank; header; 3 blank.
      ;; We're in between the previous footer and the following header,
      ;;
      ;; First lose 3 blank lines, the header, and then 3 more.
      ;;
      (setq p (point))
      (skip-chars-forward "\n")
      (delete-region p (point))
      (and (looking-at "[^\n]+\n\n?\n?\n?")
	   (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0)))
      ;;
      ;; Next lose the footer, and the 3 blank lines after, and before it.
      ;; But don't lose the last footer of the manual entry; that contains
      ;; the "last change" date, so it's not completely uninteresting.
      ;; (Actually lose all blank lines before it; sh(1) needs this.)
      ;;
      (skip-chars-backward "\n")
      (beginning-of-line)
      (if (null (cdr pages))
	  nil
	(and (looking-at "[^\n]+\n\n?\n?\n?")
	     (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))))
      (setq p (point))
      (skip-chars-backward "\n")
      (if (> (- p (point)) 4)
	  (delete-region (+ 2 (point)) p)
	(delete-region (1+ (point)) p))
;      (and (looking-at "\n\n?\n?")
;	   (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0)))

      (setq pages (cdr pages)))
    ;;
    ;; Now nuke the extra blank lines at the beginning and end.
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (if (looking-at "\n+")
	(delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0)))
    (forward-line 1)
    (if (looking-at "\n\n+")
	(delete-region (1+ (match-beginning 0)) (match-end 0)))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (skip-chars-backward "\n")
    (delete-region (point) (point-max))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (forward-char -1)
    (setq p (point))
    (skip-chars-backward "\n")
    (if (= ?\n (following-char)) (forward-char 1))
    (if (> (point) (1+ p))
	(delete-region (point) p))
    ))

(defun Manual-mouseify-xrefs ()
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (forward-line 1)
  (let ((case-fold-search nil)
	s e name extent)
    ;; possibly it would be faster to rewrite this expression to search for
    ;; a less common sequence first (like "([0-9]") and then back up to see
    ;; if it's really a match.  This function is 15% of the total time, 13%
    ;; of which is this call to re-search-forward.
    (while (re-search-forward "[a-zA-Z_][-a-zA-Z0-9_.]*([0-9][a-zA-Z0-9]*)"
			      nil t)
      (setq s (match-beginning 0)
	    e (match-end 0)
	    name (buffer-substring s e))
      (goto-char s)
      (skip-chars-backward " \t")
      (if (and (bolp)
	       (progn (backward-char 1) (= (preceding-char) ?-)))
	  (progn
	    (setq s (point))
	    (skip-chars-backward "-a-zA-Z0-9_.")
	    (setq name (concat (buffer-substring (point) (1- s)) name))
	    (setq s (point))))
      ;; if there are upper case letters in the section, downcase them.
      (if (string-match "(.*[A-Z]+.*)$" name)
	  (setq name (concat (substring name 0 (match-beginning 0))
			     (downcase (substring name (match-beginning 0))))))
      ;; (setq already-fontified (extent-at s))
      (setq extent (make-extent s e))
      (set-extent-property extent 'man (list 'Manual-follow-xref name))
      (set-extent-property extent 'highlight t)
      ;; (if (not already-fontified)...
      (set-extent-face extent 'man-xref)
      (goto-char e))))

(defun Manual-follow-xref (&optional name-or-event)
  "Invoke `manual-entry' on the cross-reference under the mouse.
When invoked noninteractively, the arg may be an xref string to parse instead."
  (interactive "e")
  (if (eventp name-or-event)
      (let* ((p (event-point name-or-event))
	     (extent (and p (extent-at p
			     (event-buffer name-or-event)
			     'highlight)))
	     (data (and extent (extent-property extent 'man))))
	(if (eq (car-safe data) 'Manual-follow-xref)
	    (eval data)
	  (error "no manual cross-reference there.")))
    (or (manual-entry name-or-event)
	;; If that didn't work, maybe it's in a different section than the
	;; man page writer expected.  For example, man pages tend assume
	;; that all user programs are in section 1, but X tends to generate
	;; makefiles that put things in section "n" instead...
	(and (string-match "[ \t]*([^)]+)\\'" name-or-event)
	     (progn
	       (message "No entries found for %s; checking other sections..."
			name-or-event)
	       (manual-entry
		(substring name-or-event 0 (match-beginning 0))
		nil t))))))

(defun Manual-popup-menu (&optional event)
  "Pops up a menu of cross-references in this manual page.
If there is a cross-reference under the mouse button which invoked this
command, it will be the first item on the menu.  Otherwise, they are
on the menu in the order in which they appear in the buffer."
  (interactive "e")
  (let ((buffer (current-buffer))
	(sep "---")
	(prefix "Show Manual Page for ")
	xref items)
    (cond (event
	   (setq buffer (event-buffer event))
	   (let* ((p (event-point event))
		  (extent (and p (extent-at p buffer 'highlight)))
		  (data (and extent (extent-property extent 'man))))
	     (if (eq (car-safe data) 'Manual-follow-xref)
		 (setq xref (nth 1 data))))))
    (if xref (setq items (list sep xref)))
    (map-extents #'(lambda (extent ignore)
		     (let ((data (extent-property extent 'man)))
		       (if (and (eq (car-safe data) 'Manual-follow-xref)
				(not (member (nth 1 data) items)))
			   (setq items (cons (nth 1 data) items)))
		    nil))
		 buffer)
    (if (eq sep (car items)) (setq items (cdr items)))
    (let ((popup-menu-titles nil))
      (popup-menu
       (cons "Manual Entry"
	     (mapcar #'(lambda (item)
			 (if (eq item sep)
			     item
                           (vector (concat prefix item)
                                   (list 'Manual-follow-xref item) t)))
		     (nreverse items)))))))

(defun pager-cleanup-hook ()
  "cleanup man page if called via $PAGER"
  (let ((buf-name (or buffer-file-name (buffer-name))))
	(if (or (string-match "^/tmp/man[0-9]+" buf-name)
		(string-match ".*/man/\\(man\\|cat\\)[1-9a-z]/" buf-name))
	    (let (buffer manpage)
	      (require 'man)
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      (setq buffer-read-only nil)
	      (Manual-nuke-nroff-bs)
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      (if (re-search-forward "[^ \t]")
		  (goto-char (- (point) 1)))
	      (if (looking-at "\\([a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)[ \t]*(")
		  (setq manpage (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1)
						  (match-end 1)))
		(setq manpage "???"))
	      (setq buffer
		    (rename-buffer
		     (generate-new-buffer-name (concat "*man " manpage "*"))))
	      (setq buffer-file-name nil)
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      (insert (format "%s\n" buf-name))
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      (buffer-disable-undo buffer)
	      (set-buffer-modified-p nil)
	      (Manual-mode)
	      ))))

(add-hook 'server-visit-hook 'pager-cleanup-hook)
(provide 'man)

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Subject: Problems with lazy-lock (19.14)
Date: 15 Jul 1996 14:08:52 +0200
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Was anybody able to get lazy lock working with
lazy-lock-hide-invisible set to nil? 

The standard setting is:

lazy-lock-hide-invisible's value is t
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*If non-nil, hide invisible text while it is fontified.
If non-nil, redisplay is delayed until after fontification occurs.  If nil,
text is shown (in `lazy-lock-invisible-foreground') while it is fontified.
A non-nil value slows down redisplay and can slow down cursor motion.



Unfortunately setting it to nil does not work. Emacs will fontify the
whole buffer before doing anything else => No "lazy" fontification
anymore.

Any ideas?

	Jens


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From: Bard Saadatnejad <bards@vega.uio.no>
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Does anyone know how to make type faces buffer local?

If I write:

(add-hook 'c++-mode-hook 
	  '(lambda () 
	     (set-frame-width (selected-frame) 90)   
	     (set-frame-height (selected-frame) 60)
	     (font-menu-set-font "Courier" nil nil)))

I achieve the desired effect when a c++ file is read in, but how do I
get my default set up (e.g. proportional fonts different frame size
etc.) back automatically when I go to a text buffer? I am not sure I
am asking the right question but I know there is a guru somewhere out
there who knows what I am after :)

Thanks very much,

Bard

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From: Chera Bekker <bekker@tn.utwente.nl>
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 does not produce *.elc files
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Hi all,

I am trying to install auctex 9.4g in xemacs 19.14. A number of files 
must be byte compiled for this and the AUC tex makefile uses the following
command line:

xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile 
auc-old.el (more files)

Then the makefile tries to copy the *.elc files but does not find them 
and indeed the directory contains no *.elc files. What is wrong here?

Please reply via E-mail as I am not a regular reader of this group.

	Thanks

		Chera Bekker


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From: George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu>
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John S Cooper <jsc@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu> writes:
> > Here's what happens:
> >   1.  Open a file, edit and save it, register it.
> >   2.  (Sometime later) visit the file and check it out (^X^Q).  Edit
> >       the file and save it.  Exit XEmacs.
> >   3.  Start XEmacs.  Visit the file and edit it some more.  Save the
> >       file and try to check it in (^X^Q).
> 
> \C-x\C-q is bound by default to vc-toggle-read-only.
> 
> You should probably use vc-next-action (bound by default to \C-x v v) to
> check a file in and out.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> -- 
>     --- John.

Well, info says:
    `C-x C-q'
         Check the visited file in or out.
and
    When you are finished editing the file, type `C-x C-q' again.  When
    used on a file that is checked out, this command checks the file in.


But I get exactly the same behavior using vc-next-action anyway.  If
I've exited xemacs since checking the file out and I check back in
with C-x C-q or C-x v v, the changes are lost.

I'm running on a Alphastation 400 4/233 with OSF/1 v3.0B, if it
matters.

		George


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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: gnuserv.el broken
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After installing XEmacs 19.14, I found that the good old server.el
package is becoming obsolete, so I switched to gnuserv.el. However,
I didn't like the way gnuserv opens a new frame for every file being
read in, so I added the following line to my site-start.el file:

  (setq gnuserv-frame (window-frame))

This causes the same frame to be taken for every usage of gnuclient.
However, I found that when XEmacs was iconified, it did not de-iconify
when using gnuclient !!!!!!!!

I traced this bug to function server-make-window-visible in package
gnuserv.el: this function uses variables window-system and
window-system-version in the following way:

  (and (boundp 'window-system)
       (boundp 'window-system-version)
       (eq window-system 'x)
       (eq window-system-version 11)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

Since variable window-system-version does not exist anymore, the
function body is never executed !!!!! I replaced the above code
into:

  (and (eq (console-type) 'x)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

which makes XEmacs de-iconify again when using gnuclient.

Furthermore, I get a huge list of obsolete variables and functions
when compiling gnuserv.el: this should really be fixed.

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Hello,

gdb seems to be doing something slightly annoying in Xemacs --- when I first
enter the code (e.g. due to a breakpoint at main) it reloads the source code of
the program I'm editing, so I end-up with a myfile.c<2> as well as myfile.c
itself. Being slightly clumsy I then often end-up editing both myfile.c and
myfile.c<2> --- which causes chaos.

So, my question is... is there I way I can stop this? (e.g. can I make emacs do
kill-buffer on myfile.c before the gdb interface attempts to reload it?) It
didn't do this reload before?

GG

emacs-version's value is "19.13 XEmacs Lucid"
GDB 4.15.1 (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3)


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From: Phil Bernhard <pbernhar@harris.com>
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Hi There:

I am trying to use the xemacs widget.  The documentation on how to do
this appears to be sparse.  Does anyone know where there is any good
documentation on this?  In particular it would be nice to see some
examples.  Also, what little documentation I have found on this 
makes reference to the use of ToolTalk to get the application to
"start" the emacs widget.  Does anyone know what Tooltalk function
calls are required by the application and/or emacs to get this to
work?  Also, what parameters, etc.  Again, examples would be helpful.

Thanx

Phil

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>>>> Thus spake 'Ricardo Marek (ricky@ornet.co.il)':

 RM> 1) Load a big file into XEmacs ( ~ 40000 lines of text) Load another short
 RM> file, e.g. a perl-script, with ~150 lines. Try editing the short file, you
 RM> will find that any change takes a while till it is reflected ( moving the
 RM> arrows, adding characters, etc). Any hint?... I guess that font-lock has
 RM> something to do with this!

Well, the test that comes to my mind (call me silly) would be to turn off
all initialization and try your test again. That should tell you something...

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>>>> 'Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)' asked the
>>>> following:

 JL> Was anybody able to get lazy lock working with lazy-lock-hide-invisible
 JL> set to nil?
[snip]

I noticed the same thing. I was wondering why elisp file loads took so long and
finally narrowed it down to lazy-lock. Unfortunately, setting this variable to
't' does as the documentation string warns: it slows down cursor moves.

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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

Chris> Gnus in XEmacs 19.14 works in all ways as it should except that when I
Chris> post, it tells me I have a misconfigured system, and it can't seem to
Chris> find my local domain name.  This does not happen running GNU Emacs
Chris> 19.31 on the same machine -- a SPARC 5 running Solaris 2.5.  I'm
Chris> currently using the precompiled binaries, but had the same problem
Chris> when I compiled XEmacs myself.  I have the following in my .emacs
Chris> file:

Chris>   (setq gnus-local-domain "mlb.dmt.csiro.au")
Chris>   (setq gnus-local-organization "CSIRO, Melbourne Laboratory")

Chris> XEmacs finds the second of these, but appears to ignore the first.  

Do one of the following:
(setq mail-host-address "mlb.dmt.csiro.au")
 -or-
(setq user-mail-address "cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au")

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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

> Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently.  If you're trying to
> support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes to remember:
> 
> 1. Emacs Info reads Info-directory-list from left-to-right while XEmacs Info
>    reads it from right-to-left, so append to the list accordingly.
> 2. Info-default-directory-list may not be defined at startup in all versions
>    of Emacs/XEmacs, *but* use it if it's available to set
>    Info-directory-list.
> 3. Emacs Info looks for a standard 'dir' file in each of the listed
>    directories and "magically" concatenates them together.
> 4. XEmacs Info looks for a 'localdir' file (consisting of just simple menu
>    entries) in each of the listed directories (except the first),
>    concatenates them together, and attaches this list to the 'dir' file in
>    the first directory.

Uh-oh!  I just noticed that my news message was backwards with respect to
ordering of Info-directory-list.

Emacs Info - right-to-left
XEmacs Info - left-to-right
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Subject: Re: problem with printing.. :-(
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yogendra@numbat.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (Yogendra ) writes:
Do a setenv PRINTER <printer name> 
and a 
setenv LASER <printer name> 
in your .cshrc or .login and it should work..

- Sobhan
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> 
> Hi,	
> 	I've been using xemacs on my linux box at home for a while now
> without any problems. Xemacs has just been installed at my uni
> and I cant seem to be able to print from it. 
> 
> Whenever I try to print, it gives me the following message:
> Spooling...done
> 
> But the job is not queued on any of the printers. When I try to 
> "pretty-print" it takes a little longer to process and tell me that
> the document has been printed. However, I cant see the job on ANY
> of the queues that my university has. Is there a way by which I could
> tell xemacs to print to a particular printer? The administrator at
> the university is pretty busy all the time, so I would not want to
> bother him unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any responses.
> 
> yogendra
> --
> Name    : Yogendra Chandrasegaram-Pillai   
> mailto:yogendra@numbat.cs.rmit.edu.au
> http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~yogendra
> 

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Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

> So, I have two questions:
> 
> 	1) How can I set user-mail-address and mail-host-address
> 	   differently for Gnus and VM.

Try to use the (starting) hooks to set the variables. This may look
something like this:

(add-hook 
    'gnus-startup-hook
    (function 
     (lambda ()
       (setq
	user-mail-address "whatever"
	...
	))))

IMHO it is better to use the special hooks which exists:

(add-hook 
 'post-command-hook
 (function
  (lambda ()
    (setq 
     mail-default-reply-to "jesse@hppool.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Roland Jesse)"
     mail-host-address "hppool.cs.uni-magdeburg.de"
     user-mail-address "jesse@hppool.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Roland Jesse)"
     mail-from-style "parens"))))

Roland
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cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen) writes:

> I traced this bug to function server-make-window-visible in package
> gnuserv.el: this function uses variables window-system and
> window-system-version in the following way:

Yep.  XEmacs 19.14 made window-system-version go away.  This will be fixed in
the next release of gnuserv.

> Furthermore, I get a huge list of obsolete variables and functions
> when compiling gnuserv.el: this should really be fixed.

Most of the list of obsolete stuff is because the gnuserv code is
conditionalised on the features and variables that it finds while running.
The gnuserv.el file should work under older and different versions of GNU
Emacs.  The warnings are mostly harmless.
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In article <m2raqfsxql.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> the alternative I prefer, which is to convert the info to HTML with
> texi2html and view it in Lynx. :-)

You disappoint me, Steve! :-)  W3 is much cooler than Lynx.

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Here's the definition I use (it copies from point to EOL, not from BOL).

(defun v/copy-line-as-kill (&optional arg)
  "Copy the rest of the line to the kill ring. 
Immediate successive calls append to the same kill."
  (interactive "P")
  (kill-ring-save (point)
    (progn
      (if arg (forward-line (prefix-numeric-value arg))
        (if (eobp) (signal 'end-of-buffer nil))
        (if (or (looking-at "[ \t]*$") (and kill-whole-line (bolp)))
            (forward-line 1)
          (end-of-line)
          ;;(forward-char)
          ))
    (point)))
  (setq this-command 'kill-region))

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Reset display-time-load              - Toggles whether machine load is
displayed. 

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From: Firebeard <stend+c.e.xemacs@grendel.texas.net>
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Date: 15 Jul 1996 12:33:52 -0500
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>>>>> David Masterson writes:

DM> --Multipart_Fri_Jul_12_16:27:11_1996-1 Content-Type: text/plain;
DM> charset=US-ASCII

DM> Firebeard <stend+c.e.xemacs@grendel.texas.net> writes:

>> In emacs, I would use

>> (setq Info-directory-list (cons
DM> [...]
>> (expand-file-name "~/info") Info-default-directory-list))

>> to add a personal info directory.  When I ran info, it would load
>> the dir files from the both the Info-default-directory-list and
>> ~/info.  In xemacs, it's only loading the dir file from ~/info.  Is
>> it possible to get the emacs info behavior, or do I have to copy
>> the entire Info-default-directory-list dir file into my personal
>> dir file?

DM> This getting to be FAQ!  (Steve?)

	An FAQ is nice, but this should be documented where the
Info-directory-list variable is documented.  The FAQ should be the
place to put FAQs about differences between emacs and xemacs, how to
do complicated things, etc., not somewhere to compensate for
incomplete documentation.

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I'm having problems changing key-bindings. I put the following in my .emacs
file:  (global-set-key "\C-xw" 'what-line)
when I restart xemacs it does not change the key binding. I have entered the
following with success: (global-set-key 'f8 ' what-line)
I'm running on an ultrasparc machine with Solaris ver 2.5.

What am I doing wrong, this should be simple?

Thanks in advance,
paulkam@rosemount.com


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When I open a read-only C source file, and the code to do color syntax
highlighting runs, I get the following error (taken from lossage, so
it reads backwards):

	Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs
	Scanning buffer... (100%) done
	...
	Scanning buffer... (  0%)
	Note: file is write protected
	Loading view-less...done
	Loading view-less...

The file is loaded, but the buffer is not shown. The display remains
viewing the buffer that it was before the C-x C-f command. If I switch
to the read-only file, no color syntax highlighting has taken
place. If I select it from the Options menu, the buffer is highlighted
with no errors. Two interesting things to note:

1. The color scheme is the default one that comes with xemacs 19.14,
and that scheme is then applied to *all* my C source code
buffers. Before this, the color scheme for all of them is my custom
one.

2. This does not happen unless the read-only file is read from an NFS
drive. It could also be that the difference is that the suspect files
are in a code control system. Let me say it this way: If I read a non
source code controlled, read-only file from my local disk drive, there
is no problem highlighting it. There is also no problem coloring files
from the NFS drive which are under code control *and* are read-write.
BTW: I have write perms to the directories I am trying to load files
from, in case you're thinking that a "lazy" color file may not be
getting written out, or something.

This is real weird. It happens in xemacs 19.13 and 19.14. It's kind of
frustrating since I have to either menu-mouse over to each new file I
try to load, or I have to C-x C-b and type the file name again. I'm
alos getting tired of seeing all my comments in bright red! :)

BTW: R.E. the error message, I have no idea what the file or directory
"prs" might be.

If there's some sort of trace or dump info I can give you, tell me how
and I will be glad to produce it.

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I get only 2 spaces when I indent in c-mode as I have
indent level as 2. How to change it in Xemacs 19.14. 

I know that in gnu emacs its : (setq c-indent-level 4)

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan
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I'm not fond of the multi-click behaviour of the mouse (mouse-track) in
xemacs19.14. Since customization requires a significant amount of
hacking I thought I'd ask if anyone had done what I want.

What I want is the following:

1) double clicking on words should select smaller pieces (I don't want
symbols): I'd like it to stop on _ or - and especially / (i.e. I'd like
it to select smaller pieces of file names.

2) double clicking on a bracket (any of ()[]{})  or string quote (")
would select to the matching bracket or string quote - i.e. it would
select an s-expression.

3) I'd like the functions to be easy to configure to modes (in tcl mode
double clicking on a single quote might select to the matching single
quote, in shell or perl modes backquote would need to be significant
too).

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From: Liam Healy <Liam.Healy@nrl.navy.mil>
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I have recently converted to using XEmacs 19.14 from GNU emacs 19.30.
I use font-lock mode extensively.  It works just fine in XEmacs on
LISP, C, Fortran, TeX, etc. files, but not on Dired or Outline mode
files.  Although the mode line says "Font" and "Lazy" I get no color
at all.  On emacs 19.30, I had color in both these modes.
Is there any way to get font-lock to appear?

Thanks for any help.

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4) of Sat Jun 29 1996 on sanctuary

Is there any special reason why the following files are not byte compiled?

 w3/w3-sysdp.el
 url/url-sysdp.el

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Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

> 
> >>>> 'Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)' asked the
> >>>> following:
> 
>  JL> Was anybody able to get lazy lock working with lazy-lock-hide-invisible
>  JL> set to nil?
> [snip]
> 
> I noticed the same thing. I was wondering why elisp file loads took so long and
> finally narrowed it down to lazy-lock. Unfortunately, setting this variable to
> 't' does as the documentation string warns: it slows down cursor moves.
> 

Hmm,

 Seems to work for me. Here is what I have in my .emacs. I did need to
 reduce lazy-lock-minimum-size to be able to see it work.

(setq lazy-lock-hide-invisible nil
      lazy-lock-stealth-time   25
      lazy-lock-ignore-commands 
        (append lazy-lock-ignore-commands '(self-insert-command))
      lazy-lock-invisible-foreground "#d0c0b0"
      lazy-lock-minimum-size 8192
      lazy-lock-stealth-lines 80
      lazy-lock-walk-windows  nil)

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Hi, all.  I've just upgraded w3 to v3.0.6 and found it a lot faster.
However, every time an image is loaded there is an annoying beep.  Any
idea what I'm missing?  Thanks.

-weiping

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Hi.  I've upgraded w3 to 3.0.6 and it seems a lot faster.  However, every time
an image is loaded there is a beep and when there are a lot of images it's
very annoying.  Would this be a bug or a setup problem?  Any suggestions
welcome.  Thanks.

-weiping

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Subject: [Q] font-lock using XEmacs 19.14 in VM buffers....
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Hi,

1) I found that XEmacs-19.14 now does some "extra" fontifying on the
   buffers related to messages viewed with VM., which is scrambled
   when an umbalanced  single/double quote appears in the text... 
   breaking all the good job font-lock does.

2) Does somebody has a nice setup for seting faces in VM? (That works
   with XEmacs 19.14?)

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To: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: multiple mouse click behaviour
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Bryan Kramer writes:
 > I'm not fond of the multi-click behaviour of the mouse (mouse-track) in
 > xemacs19.14. Since customization requires a significant amount of
 > hacking I thought I'd ask if anyone had done what I want.
 > 
 > What I want is the following:
 > 
 > 1) double clicking on words should select smaller pieces (I don't want
 > symbols): I'd like it to stop on _ or - and especially / (i.e. I'd like
 > it to select smaller pieces of file names.
 > 
I'm not sure but I think you can redine what makes a word, for example
the line below adds _ to be part of a word in c++

(modify-syntax-entry ?_ "w" c++-mode-syntax-table)

 > 2) double clicking on a bracket (any of ()[]{})  or string quote (")
 > would select to the matching bracket or string quote - i.e. it would
 > select an s-expression.

I can help with this one.
Be a bit carefull with this one as it redefines a low level lisp
function default-mouse-track-normalize-point. It doesn't do string
quotes, but you should be able to add them easily

;;Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> wrote this one
;; If you double click on a bracket you select the whole sexpr

(defun default-mouse-track-normalize-point (type forwardp)
  (cond ((eq type 'word)
	 ;; trap the beginning and end of buffer errors
	 (condition-case ()
	     (progn
	       (setq type (char-syntax (char-after (point))))
	       (if forwardp
		   (if (= type ?\()
		       (goto-char (scan-sexps (point) 1))
		     (if (= type  ?\))
			 (forward-char 1)
		       (default-mouse-track-end-of-word t)))
		 (if (= type ?\))
		     (goto-char (scan-sexps (1+ (point)) -1))
		   (default-mouse-track-beginning-of-word t))))
	   (error ())))
	((eq type 'line)
	 (if forwardp (end-of-line) (beginning-of-line)))
	((eq type 'buffer)
	 (if forwardp (end-of-buffer) (beginning-of-buffer)))))



 > 
 > 3) I'd like the functions to be easy to configure to modes (in tcl mode
 > double clicking on a single quote might select to the matching single
 > quote, in shell or perl modes backquote would need to be significant
 > too).
 > 
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 > <A href="http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~kramer">B. Kramer Home Page</A>

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hi all...

i just went from xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 and have run into an email
problem...

when i send out email my address in the from line appears as:

Andreas Kaempf <> but should be Andreas Kaempf <akaempf@sccon.com>

everything worked in xemacs 19.13...

does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this...

thanks
andreas


   Steller Computer Consultants	 	Andreas Kaempf
	P.O. BOX 3873			
     Nashua, NH 03062  USA	      akaempf@sccon.com



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>>>>> "Bryan" == Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca> writes:

 Bryan> I'm not fond of the multi-click behaviour of the mouse (mouse-track) in
 Bryan> xemacs19.14. Since customization requires a significant amount of
 Bryan> hacking I thought I'd ask if anyone had done what I want.

 Bryan> What I want is the following:

 Bryan> 1) double clicking on words should select smaller pieces (I don't want
 Bryan> symbols): I'd like it to stop on _ or - and especially / (i.e. I'd like
 Bryan> it to select smaller pieces of file names.

 Bryan> 2) double clicking on a bracket (any of ()[]{})  or string quote (")
 Bryan> would select to the matching bracket or string quote - i.e. it would
 Bryan> select an s-expression.

 Bryan> 3) I'd like the functions to be easy to configure to modes (in tcl mode
 Bryan> double clicking on a single quote might select to the matching single
 Bryan> quote, in shell or perl modes backquote would need to be significant
 Bryan> too).

Have you tried mode-motion+?  It highlights syntactic elements in a
mode-specific manner as you move the mouse around in a buffer.   It also
provides all cut/paste/copy commands that work on the currently highlighted
expression (which you could conceivably bind to double click if you wished).

Just put (require 'mode-motion+) in your .emacs (or M-: it) to try it.
(Loading it will insert a few more possibilities into the Options menu.)

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Chris Menzel <cpm@olrun.mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

> 
> Gnus in XEmacs 19.14 works in all ways as it should except that when I
> post, it tells me I have a misconfigured system, and it can't seem to
> find my local domain name.  This does not happen running GNU Emacs
> 19.31 on the same machine -- a SPARC 5 running Solaris 2.5.  I'm
> currently using the precompiled binaries, but had the same problem
> when I compiled XEmacs myself.  I have the following in my .emacs
> file:
> 
>   (setq gnus-local-domain "mlb.dmt.csiro.au")
>   (setq gnus-local-organization "CSIRO, Melbourne Laboratory")
Try:
(setq mail-host-address "address.of.your.mail.host")

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JL> Was anybody able to get lazy lock working with lazy-lock-hide-invisible set
JL> to nil?

Brad> I noticed the same thing. I was wondering why elisp file loads took so
Brad> long and finally narrowed it down to lazy-lock. Unfortunately, setting
Brad> this variable to 't' does as the documentation string warns: it slows
Brad> down cursor moves.

At the risk of being flamed, a non-nil value shouldn't be as slow as it
has turned out.  Try using lazy-lock.el from XEmacs 19.13, or pick it up
from the archive (see the comment header).

Simon.

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From: Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
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Hi.

I am trying to get the mail aliases that I have setup in my ~/.mailrc
file to be expanded by vm. I have the mail-abbrev-mailrc-file variable
set to ~/.mailrc, but it is not working. Is there anything else I have
to do?

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Hi,

I have been using GNU Emacs version 19.27.1 and one of my favourite features is the file bookmarks sub menu.

In the xemacs version 19.13 I have been unable to emulate similar functionality. I can do the same thing with command sequences but the graphical depiction of the bookmark list I can't do.

Any suggestions

Thanks

Steve Prowse 

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From: njsf@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (NELSON JOSE DOS SANTOS FERREIRA (leic))
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Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> writes:

> 
> A three digit number, such as 0.26 , appears on my mode line. 
> I have been told that this is the 'system load', but I never 
> use this information (should I? how?) and thus would like to 
> remove it from the mode line. How can I do this?
> 
	in your .emacs file:

		(setq display-time-load nil)

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From: cochrane@waikato.ac.nz (cochrane)
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I was just wondering if there is a mode available for matlab in much
the same way as there are modes for doing programming in c/c++,
fortran, and latex etc.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Paul Cochrane
cochrane@phys.waikato.ac.nz

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Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> writes:

> Yep.  XEmacs 19.14 made window-system-version go away.  This will be fixed in
> the next release of gnuserv.

Will that next release support all bells-and-whistles of the standard
emacsserver? In particular 'server-temp-file-regexp'? That will make
server really obsolete!

Jan


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From: Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ISO accents "electric mode" wanted
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> frick@ipd.info.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne K. Frick) writes:
> > 
> > Is there an electric mode for XEmacs like the FSF Emacs 'iso-accents' mode?

Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br> has adapted the iso-acc package
for XEmacs 19.14. I have appended a recent copy. 

BTW, in case you use VM, you may want to configure

(autoload 'iso-accents-mode "iso-acc")
(add-hook 'vm-mail-mode-hook  (function (lambda () (iso-accents-mode 1))))

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;;; iso-acc.el --- minor mode providing electric accent keys

;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Adapted for XEmacs 19.14 by Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode in which
;; typewriter "dead keys" are emulated.  The purpose of this emulation
;; is to provide a simple means for inserting accented characters
;; according to the ISO-8859-1 character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characters are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;   ,  (cedilla)   -> cedilla under the character (except on default mode).
;;                  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available, default mode)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; add a language to `iso-languages' which specifies the accent characters
;; that you want, then select the language with `iso-accents-customize'.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14
(if (fboundp 'read-event) ()
  (defun read-event () (event-key (next-command-event))))

; needed to work on GNU Emacs (had to use this function on XEmacs)
(if (fboundp 'character-to-event) ()
  (defun character-to-event (ch &optional event console meta) ch))

; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.30
(if (fboundp 'this-single-command-keys) ()
  (if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
      (defun this-single-command-keys ()
        (setq this-command (not (this-command-keys)))
        (this-command-keys))
    (defun this-single-command-keys () (this-command-keys))))

(defvar iso-languages
  '(("portuguese"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352)
	 (?o . ?\364) )
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("irish"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)))
    
    ("french"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("latin-2"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?C . ?\306) (?D . ?\320) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315)
	 (?L . ?\305) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\323) (?R . ?\300) (?S . ?\246)
	 (?U . ?\332) (?Y . ?\335) (?Z . ?\254) (?a . ?\341) (?c . ?\346)
	 (?d . ?\360) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?l . ?\345) (?n . ?\361)
	 (?o . ?\363) (?r . ?\340) (?s . ?\266) (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375)
	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264))
     (?` (?A . ?\241) (?C . ?\307) (?E . ?\312) (?L . ?\243) (?S . ?\252)
	 (?T . ?\336) (?Z . ?\257) (?a . ?\261) (?l . ?\263) (?c . ?\347)
	 (?e . ?\352) (?s . ?\272) (?t . ?\376) (?z . ?\277) (?` . ?\252)
	 (?. . ?\377))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?o . ?\364)
	 (?^ . ?^)			; no special code?
	 (?\  . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334) (?a . ?\344)
	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\310) (?D . ?\317) (?L . ?\245) (?N . ?\322)
	  (?O . ?\325) (?R . ?\330) (?S . ?\251) (?T . ?\253) (?U . ?\333)
	  (?Z . ?\256) (?a . ?\323) (?c . ?\350) (?d . ?\357) (?l . ?\265)
	  (?n . ?\362) (?o . ?\365) (?r . ?\370) (?s . ?\271) (?t . ?\273)
	  (?u . ?\373) (?z . ?\276)
	  (?v . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\~ . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\. . ?\270)			; cedilla accent
	  ))

    ("latin-1"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?Y . ?\335) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?I . ?\314) (?O . ?\322) (?U . ?\331)
	 (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?i . ?\354) (?o . ?\362) (?u . ?\371)
	 (?` . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?^ . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?I . ?\317) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334)
	  (?a . ?\344) (?e . ?\353) (?i . ?\357) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337)
	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\307) (?D . ?\320) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\325)
	  (?T . ?\336) (?a . ?\343) (?c . ?\347) (?d . ?\360) (?n . ?\361)
	  (?o . ?\365) (?t . ?\376) (?> . ?\273) (?< . ?\253) (?\~ . ?\270)
	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277))
     (?\/ (?A . ?\305) (?E . ?\306) (?O . ?\330) (?a . ?\345) (?e . ?\346)
	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260))))
  "List of language-specific customizations for the ISO Accents mode.

Each element of the list is of the form

    (LANGUAGE
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     ...)

LANGUAGE is a string naming the language.
PSEUDO-ACCENT is a char specifying an accent key.
MAPPINGS are cons cells of the form (CHAR . ISO-CHAR).

The net effect is that the key sequence PSEUDO-ACCENT CHAR is mapped
to ISO-CHAR on input.")

(defvar iso-language nil
  "Language for which ISO Accents mode is currently customized.
Change it with the `iso-accents-customize' function.")

(defvar iso-accents-list nil
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations, for the chosen language.")

(defvar iso-accents-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See the function `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-mode)

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  If you set this variable to a list in which some of those
characters are missing, the missing ones do not act as accents.

Note that if you specify a language with `iso-accents-customize',
that can also turn off certain prefixes (whichever ones are not needed in
the language you choose).")

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if (and iso-accents-mode
           (memq last-input-char iso-accents-enable))
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
         (list (assq first-char iso-accents-list))
         ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
         (second-char (if (or prompt
                              (not (eq (key-binding "a")
                                       'self-insert-command))
                              ;; Called from anything but the command loop.
                              (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
                              this-command)
                          (progn
                            (message "%s%c"
                                     (or prompt "Compose with ")
                                     first-char)
                            (read-event))
                        (insert first-char)
                        (prog1 (read-event)
                          (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
         (entry (cdr (assq second-char list))))
    (if entry
        ;; Found it: delete the first character and insert the combination.
        (progn
          (setq unread-command-events
                (mapcar 'character-to-event (list
                                             (+ 48 (/ entry 64))
                                             (+ 48 (% (/ entry 8) 8))
                                             (+ 48 (% entry 8)))))
          (vector ?\021))
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list (character-to-event second-char)))
      (vector first-char))))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;;           (append minor-mode-alist
;; 	          '((iso-accents-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

You can customize ISO Accents mode to a particular language
with the command `iso-accents-customize'.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives an Icelandic eth (d with dash).
~t gives an Icelandic thorn.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemots.
~! gives an inverted exclamation mark.
~? gives an inverted question mark.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-mode t)))

(defun iso-accents-customize (language)
  "Customize the ISO accents machinery for a particular language.
It selects the customization based on the specifications in the
`iso-languages' variable."
  (interactive (list (completing-read "Language: " iso-languages nil t)))
  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages)) tail)
    (if (not table)
	(error "Unknown language '%s'" language)
      (setq iso-language language
	    iso-accents-list (cdr table))
      (if key-translation-map
	  (substitute-key-definition
	   'iso-accents-accent-key nil key-translation-map)
	(setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
      ;; Set up translations for all the characters that are used as
      ;; accent prefixes in this language.
      (setq tail iso-accents-list)
      (while tail
	(define-key key-translation-map (vector (car (car tail)))
	  'iso-accents-accent-key)
	(setq tail (cdr tail))))))

(defun iso-accentuate (start end)
  "Convert two-character sequences in region into accented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the same conversion that ISO Accents mode uses for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (forward-char 1)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (memq (preceding-char) iso-accents-enable)
		   (setq entry (cdr (assq (following-char) (assq (preceding-char) iso-accents-list)))))
	      (progn
		(forward-char -1)
		(delete-char 2)
		(insert entry)
		(setq end (1- end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-accent-rassoc-unit (value alist)
  (let (elt acc)
    (while (and alist (not elt))
      (setq acc (car (car alist))
	    elt (car (rassq value (cdr (car alist))))
	    alist (cdr alist)))
    (if elt
	(cons acc elt))))

(defun iso-unaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into two-character sequences.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the opposite of the conversion done by ISO Accents mode for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (car entry) (cdr entry))
		(setq end (1+ end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-deaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into unaccented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (cdr entry)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

;; Set up the default settings.
(iso-accents-customize "latin-1")

;; Use Iso-Accents mode in the minibuffer
;; if it was in use in the previous buffer.
(defun iso-acc-minibuf-setup ()
  (setq iso-accents-mode
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer (window-buffer minibuffer-scroll-window))
	  iso-accents-mode)))

(add-hook 'minibuf-setup-hook 'iso-acc-minibuf-setup)

;;; iso-acc.el ends here


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Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu> writes:

> 
> You need to set an unix environment variable called TZ.  I put the
> following in my .cshrc file:
> set env TZ EST
> -- 
> 	Brent Modzelewski
> 	Worcester Polytechnic Institute


Yes that does seem to work. If I set it to EDT, I get GMT.  If I set it to
localtime, I get PDT.  I guess that will have to do.  Thanks.  I saw your
note after I posted my question.


 Tom Badura              voice: 203-944-2020x125
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After I downloaded XEmacs 19.14 for SunOS 4.1.3, I noticed the date on my
status line was 3 hours behind (I'm on Eastern time, XEmacs was on Pacific
time).  I also notice when I sent mail with VM, when I looked in my
sent-mail file, my notes were dated PDT instead of EDT.  When I do a Unix
'date' command, it is on the correct timezone. Also when I send mail out-
side of XEmacs, the date is correct.  How do I get XEmacs to recognize
EDT (Eastern Daylight Timezone)??? We also downloaded Solaris 2.4 XEmacs,
but the timezone is correct for that one.  By the way I downloaded both from
the MIT ftp site (I figured they were also on Eastern Time, too).

Can sombody help me get my clock straight? Thanks.

   Tom Badura              voice: 203-944-2020x125
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Brent Modzelewski wrote:
> 
> You need to set an unix environment variable called TZ.  I put the
> following in my .cshrc file:
> set env TZ EST
> --
>         Brent Modzelewski
>         Worcester Polytechnic Institute


If you are using SunOS 4.1.3, you can find all the timezones
in /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo.  One of them is EST5EDT to compensate
for daylight savings time.

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Brent Modzelewski wrote:
> 
> in .cshrc:
> setenv TZ EST
> 
> in .emacs:
> (set-time-zone-rule "EST")
> (setq display-time-day-and-date t
>       display-time-12hr-format t)
> (display-time)
> 
> --
>         Brent Modzelewski
>         Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Actually if you are using SunOS 4.1.x, you can get daylight savings
time automatically if you use EST5EDT.  Thanks for the solution!

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Andreas Kaempf wrote:
> 
> hi all...
> 
> i just went from xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 and have run into an email
> problem...
> 
> when i send out email my address in the from line appears as:
> 
> Andreas Kaempf <> but should be Andreas Kaempf <akaempf@sccon.com>
> 
> everything worked in xemacs 19.13...
> 
> does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this...
> 
> thanks
> andreas
> 
>    Steller Computer Consultants         Andreas Kaempf
>         P.O. BOX 3873
>      Nashua, NH 03062  USA            akaempf@sccon.com

I had a related problem.  My "from" line was being set to 

	wayne@muli.coryphaeus.com

not

	wayne@coryphaeus.com

I set the variable (setq vm-mail-header-from "wayne@coryphaeus.com")
in my vm-mode-hooks.  I sent mail to myself and it looks fine.  I don't
know about the rest of the world yet.  Just tried this 5 minutes ago.


-- 
-----------------------------------------------------
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    "Even my dogs use XEmacs...."

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Is it possible to have two buffer pull-down menus? One which lists
buffers in most-recently-used order, another which lists them according
to major mode.  The latter is highly useful when working with multiple
projects, the former more useful when switching back and forth between
two files.  Can I have the best of both worlds?


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Maybe this is in the Info somewhere, but I couldn't find anything...

Since it is possible to import .xpm .gif & .jpeg files to glyphs I would 
like to be able to _export_ (save) a glyph in one of these formats.
Any ideas?

BTW: Glyph + annotation to show & edit graphics is really cool.
Great job guys!!!

TIA,
Thomas

P.S.: Can't see how it matters, but I'm on a DEC ALPHA OSF1 w 
precompiled binaries...
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From: Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: reading .mailrc file into vm
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:19:37 -0600
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Natalie Kershaw wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am trying to get the mail aliases that I have setup in my ~/.mailrc
> file to be expanded by vm. I have the mail-abbrev-mailrc-file variable
> set to ~/.mailrc, but it is not working. Is there anything else I have
> to do?

(require 'mail-abbrevs)

While I'm at it, I might as well post this.  I found myself constantly
typing in part of an alias, then having to erase it and use C-c C-a to
auto-complete the alias.  So, I hacked up the abbrev-expand hook to
auto-
complete the alias if it couldn't expand it.  Here's the code:

;; Disclaimer:  I'm a real elisp novice, so if there's a better way to
do
;; 	this, or you make some improvements, please let me know.
;;	Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>

(require 'mail-abbrevs)

(defun my-mail-complete-alias (&optional alias)
  "Prompt for and insert a mail alias."
  (interactive "-")
  (completing-read "Expand alias: " mail-aliases nil nil alias))

;; This is a customized version of the sendmail-pre-abbrev-expand-hook
function
;; in mail-abbrevs.el.  See customization comments below.
(defun sendmail-pre-abbrev-expand-hook ()
  (if mail-abbrev-aliases-need-to-be-resolved
      (mail-resolve-all-aliases))
  (if (and mail-aliases (not (eq mail-aliases t)))
      (if (not (mail-abbrev-in-expansion-header-p))
	  (progn
	    (setq local-abbrev-table (and (boundp 'mail-mode-abbrev-table)
					  mail-mode-abbrev-table))
	    (set-syntax-table mail-mode-syntax-table))
	(setq local-abbrev-table mail-aliases)
	(set-syntax-table mail-mode-header-syntax-table)
	(or (and last-command-char
		 (eq (char-syntax last-command-char) ?_))
	    (let ((pre-abbrev-expand-hook nil))
	      (set-syntax-table mail-abbrev-syntax-table)
	      ;; OK, here's the customization.
	      ;; If expand-abbrev fails, we want to do auto-completion on the
	      ;; alias so far.  So call my-mail-complete-alias, then replace
the
	      ;; text we previously tried to expand with the completed alias.
	      ;; Finally, call expand-abbrev again to expand the alias to its
	      ;; real address.
	      (if (not (expand-abbrev))
		  (let ((mytmp (my-mail-complete-alias (current-word))))
		    (search-backward (current-word))
		    (replace-match  mytmp)
		    (expand-abbrev)))
	      ;; End of customization..
	      (set-syntax-table mail-mode-header-syntax-table)))
	(setq abbrev-start-location (point)
	      abbrev-start-location-buffer (current-buffer))
	)))

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

->----------------------------------------------------------------------
-> "It is necessary for us to learn from others' mistakes.  You will
->  not live long enough to make them all yourself."
->
-> Adm. Hyman G. Rickover

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From: hlam@bertil.hallf.lth.se (Anders Magnusson)
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Subject: Re: Matlab modes
Date: 16 Jul 1996 12:41:11 GMT
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In article <4sesoc$1jde@thebes.waikato.ac.nz>,
cochrane@waikato.ac.nz (cochrane) writes:
>I was just wondering if there is a mode available for matlab in much
>the same way as there are modes for doing programming in c/c++,
>fortran, and latex etc.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul Cochrane
>cochrane@phys.waikato.ac.nz
There is a matlab-mode which you could get at e.g. 
ftp://ftp.diku.dk/pub/elisp-archive/modes/matlab-mode.el.Z
or at eny other of the mirror sites. Take a look at
http://www.xemacs.org/elisp-archive.html

Anders
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Is there a Xemacs for Windows?
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:08:40 -0500
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Mike Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Hi, I am asking this question for a person whom can not upgrade to Linux
> and must use Windows (3.11).
> 
> He would very much like Xemacs (he just left a unix workstation job and
> got addicted).
> 
> If not Xemacs, how about emacs19 or emacs18?
> 
> Can anyone help ?
> 
> Thanks Much in Advance!
> --
> Regards, Mike
> [END]

Look at the FAQ http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
section 1.0.10 . I like a simple freeware program call notgnu. 
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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: don't prompt to save buffers
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:11:23 -0500
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How do I change the default so that XEmacs prompts me to 
save files but NOT buffers when exiting? 

I looked in the faq and manual (perhaps not hard enough)
but could not find the answer to this question.

If you reply I would appreciate an email copy. 

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>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew C Esh <andrewes@mtn.org> writes:
 ...
Andrew> 	Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs
 ...
Andrew> 2. This does not happen unless the read-only file is read from
Andrew>    an NFS drive. It could also be that the difference is that
Andrew>    the suspect files are in a code control system.
 ...
Andrew> BTW: R.E. the error message, I have no idea what the file or directory
Andrew> "prs" might be.

prs is part of SCCS, so it looks like VC mode is tripping you up.  If
you're editing SCCS controlled files via NFS on a system like Linux,
this is exactly what I would expect to happen.

A brute force solution is to
(remove-hook 'find-file-hook 'vc-find-file-hook)
before visiting the file.

Another solution would be to port SCCS to the system you're running on
(it used to be part of the BSD distribution, but that was a long time
ago).  :-)

Another possibility would be to put a dummy shell script in your path
called prs.

Another possibility might be to edit the vc-master-templates variable
(defined in lisp/packages/vc-hooks.el) to exclude rules for finding
SCCS files.

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From: ilasic@baynetworks.com
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Subject: Compile without Xm
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Hello all,

        is it possible to compile XEmacs witout Xm libraries ?

        Thanks in advance,

Igor

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>>>>> "SP" == Sobhan Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

    SP> I get only 2 spaces when I indent in c-mode as I have indent
    SP> level as 2. How to change it in Xemacs 19.14.

    SP> I know that in gnu emacs its : (setq c-indent-level 4)

(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook '(lambda () (setq c-basic-offset 4)))

This is the same as in Emacs 19.30 (and beyond -- actually any Emacs
with cc-mode).  Both Emacs 19.31 and XEmacs 19.14 come with the
cc-mode manual, so you should check that out for details.

-Barry

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Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

> 
> When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so that
> I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ?? IT helps a lot 
> when you are using TAGS ....Ofcourse C-x C-b would show this but I would
> like to see it in the menu.

I have writen this code which do what you asked (I have somewhat
hacked from ealier version of emacs). Put it in your .emacs.

Hope this help.


(defun buffers-menu-filter (menu)
  (let ((buffers (buffer-list)) head)
    (if (and (integerp buffers-menu-max-size)
	     (> buffers-menu-max-size 1))
	(if (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-max-size)
	    ;; shorten list of buffers
	    (setcdr (nthcdr buffers-menu-max-size buffers) nil)))
    (while buffers
      (let ((elt (car buffers)))
	(or (eq ?\ (aref (buffer-name elt) 0))
	    (let ((label (format
			  "%s %s %s"
			  (buffer-name elt)
			  (if (buffer-modified-p elt)
			      "*"
			    (save-excursion
			      (set-buffer elt)
			      (if buffer-read-only "%" " ")))
			  (or (and (buffer-file-name elt)
				   (file-name-directory
				    (buffer-file-name elt)))
			      (save-excursion
				(set-buffer elt)
				nil)
			      ""))))
	      (setq head (cons
			  (if complex-buffers-menu-p
			      (list
			       label
			       (vector "Select Buffer"
				       (list
					'switch-to-buffer elt) t)
			       (vector "Buffer other Window"
				       (list
					'switch-to-buffer-other-window elt)
				       t)
			       (vector "Buffer other Screen"
				       (list
					'switch-to-buffer-Other-frame elt)
				       t)
			       (vector "kill buffer"
				       (list 'kill-buffer elt) t)
			       (vector "insert-buffer"
				       (list 'insert-buffer elt) t)
			       (if (and (buffer-modified-p elt)
					(buffer-file-name elt))
				   (vector "Save Buffer"
					   (list
					    'buffer-menu-save-buffer elt) t)
				 ["Save Buffer" nil nil])
			       (vector "Save Buffer As..."
				       (list
					'buffer-menu-write-file elt) t))
			    (vector label (list 'switch-to-buffer elt) t))
			  head)))))
	(setq buffers (cdr buffers)))
    (setq buffers (delq nil (nreverse head)))
      (append menu buffers)
      ))

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boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:
> that probably means that you can have a global minibuffer, in its
> own frame, and the other frames without minibuffers --- please
> correct my possible misunderstanding

This is what I use:

  (setq minibuffer-frame-plist '(width 80 height 2 
                                       menubar-visible-p nil
				       default-toolbar-visible-p nil))
  (setq initial-frame-plist '(top 1 left 1 width 80 height 40 minibuffer nil))

The XEmacs minibuffer frame is more stringent about when it will take
input than the Epoch one was.  If I am typing a command in the
minibuffer, then move the focus from XEmacs to another window and back
again, I must be in the minibuffer frame to continue with my input.

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BS> == Bard Saadatnejad <bards@vega.uio.no>

 BS> Does anyone know how to make type faces buffer local?

Specifiers.  Specifiers are great.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how exactly to get the effect you're currently
getting with font-menu-set-font, and the frame height and width aren't
specifiers, but hopefully this will at least help *somewhat*...

(set-face-font 'default "fixed" (current-buffer))

(Change the font you use, of course, probably using some confounded X font
name, of course...and you probably want to change 'bold and 'italic and
'bold-italic while you're at it... but that'll do what you want to do.)


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Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:

>> Yep.  XEmacs 19.14 made window-system-version go away.  This will be fixed in
>> the next release of gnuserv.

> Will that next release support all bells-and-whistles of the standard
> emacsserver? In particular 'server-temp-file-regexp'? That will make
> server really obsolete!

I can't see a good reason why not.  I'll add it to the to-do list.
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>>>> Thus spake 'Dinesh Somasekhar (dinesh@cad308.sc.intel.com)':

[snip]
 DS> Seems to work for me. Here is what I have in my .emacs. I did need to
 DS> reduce lazy-lock-minimum-size to be able to see it work.
[snip]

Thanks Dinesh. I tried your suggestion, but still had massive delays. Then I
noticed that even when I cleared out emacs-lisp-mode-hook, I was still getting
font-lock! >Blink< went the lightbulb as I remembered that XEmacs 19.14 by
default will font-lock modes that have keyword regexp's defined. I was
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Hi, can anyone tell me how to configure the .emacs file to highlight my own customised words?
I am doing SQL stuff and it would be great if words like CREATE , TABLES, SELECT
, WHERE etc are colored appropriately.

I think it might have to do with something like font-lock.el file but I don't seem to have that.

Thanks

Yeong-Ping Koh
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Subject: Solved problems with xemacs-19.14 on linux
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Hi all,
since quite some time I had problems with xemacs-19.14 on Linux 2.0.1
and on a system with 1.3.46, both gcc 2.7.2, ELF, S.u.S.E.-distribution.
The binary-distribution of xemacs for Linux-ELF had a lot of problems
with syntax-highlighting (C/C++, Fortran, Kumac, LaTeX). Colours switched
randomly from the defined ones to e.g. yellow for keywords (Ughh !!).
The source-code didn't compile on both systems, with messages concerning
most of the time time.h (-> [...]/src/systime.h ).
This can be solved by adding '-DHAVE_TZNAME -DHAVE_TIMEVAL' to the CFLAGS.
Also, when compiling make-path and a couple of other programs in
[...]/lib-src, the X-library couldn't be located, even though configure
found them correctly in /usr/X11R6/lib . This was solved for me by adding
-L/usr/X11R6/lib to ALL_CFLAGS in [...]/lib-src/Makefile .
The problems with syntax-highligting appear to be solved after the
recompilation, though I only had a short check for this.

O.k., just wanted to tell this to people, that might have had similar
problems.

Bye and have a nice day,
Ruediger Berlich

[berlich@pc66.mppmu.mpg.de]


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Sudish Joseph <sudish@vnet.ibm.com> writes:

> Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
> > Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show a new
> > window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by hitting a key

> It seems to happen to me just about everytime I start GNUS.  It seems
> to block after displaying the gnu and before opening the connection to
> the news server.  Feels very much like a sit-for gone crazy.

I've also seen it, consistenly in GNUS, but occasionally elsewhere.

XEmacs 19.14, Gnus 5.2.25, precompiled IRIX 5.3 binaries.

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It would appear that

(defun should-use-dialog-box-p () nil)

does the trick. Thanks to Roland Rieke <rol@darmstadt.gmd.de> for
telling me about this.

Glenn.

P.S. For the record, I think that the file and other dialog boxes have
their uses for many people, but I *personally* prefer to always use
the modeline. Each to his own.

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luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

Yes, I've seen it on SunOS4.1.4 in OpenWounds.  I don't know of the solution,
other than L1 A  and reboot, or kill-emacs cleanly before exiting OpenWounds :(.

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From: Ed <carroll@julia.c3.lanl.gov>
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Hello,

I have a problem with the time zone in xemacs 19.14 with vm.

All the mail I send keep having the time in GMT. I've my environment
variable TZ properly set up (Mountain time), display time works fine, I
also tried to set it by hand with (set-time-zone-rule "EST") in my
.emacs, but the mail I send keep being GMT. 

Thanks you very much for any help,

Brice Rosenzweig

PS: I am using IRIX 5.3 and a precompiled xemacs 19.14

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From: omar@umbc.edu (Omar Siddique)
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I'm trying to remap C-\ (which isn't used for anything) to be usable
as an alternate for C-s.  The purpose behind this is to match our FSF emacs
functionality, which was set for the use of people doing remote logins
from terminals that would take C-s or C-q to be flow control commands,
since xemacs has a -nw option as of release 19.13.

I'm doing this in a site-start.el file in the site-lisp directory.
The:

(global-set-key "\C-\\" "\C-s")

functions as expected, mapping C-\ to C-s.  However, since it doesn't
make C-\ act like C-s when the user does a "C-x C-\", I added the following
line:

(global-set-key "\C-x\C-\\" "\C-x\C-s")

This works, but when the user saves with C-x C-\, it doesn't display the
"Wrote somefile" message, although it does clear the "modified file"
symbol from the status bar.  When the file hasn't been modified, saving
with C-x C-\ does properly display the "doesn't need saving" message.
I have no idea why there's a difference in functionality.

The problem is a relatively minor but annoying one, so if someone could
offer some advice, I'd appreciate it.

-- 
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In <4sesoc$1jde@thebes.waikato.ac.nz> cochrane@waikato.ac.nz (cochrane) writes:

>I was just wondering if there is a mode available for matlab in much
>the same way as there are modes for doing programming in c/c++,
>fortran, and latex etc.

>Any help would be much appreciated.

Take a look at ftp.mathworks.com:/pub/contrib/tools and fetch
matlab-mode.el-1.07.6 

/torkel
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>>>>> "BC" == B Classen <bernd.classen@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes:

BC> Who can give me some hints?

Not me.

BC> By the way: Why "/bin/sh"? process-environment says " ... SHELL="/bin/bash"

Because some shells (like csh) parse their arguments differently, and
AUC TeX expect the /bin/sh style.  You can set `TeX-shell' if you are
using another shell that accepts the same arguments as /bin/sh.



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From: tonyf@ims.com (Antonio Freixas)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 BUG REPORT: Assorted problems
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I've been collecting XEmacs bugs since 19.14 came out. I built XEmacs
with the following configuration:

Configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.5'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/tonyf/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /opt/xemacs/19.14
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/sol2-5.h' and `m/sparc.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -O3
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /opt/ims/X11R5/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /opt/ims/X11R5/lib
  Additional libraries:                                   /opt/ims/X11R5/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for DBM.
  Compiling in support for CDE.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Motif dialog boxes.

I wish I had time to locate the source of these problems and even post
patches. I don't. Rather than hold on to problem report until I have a
fix, I thought I'd go ahead and post them now.


******************************************************************************

When I try to save my options, I get the following error:

  Signalling: (error "printing unreadable object #<color-specifier 0x176>")
    prin1((add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property (quote message-highlighted-
header-contents) (quote background-pixmap)) (quote (...))))
    #<compiled-function (from "x-menubar.elc") (var) "...(88)" [princ "  " var p
rin1 setq-default val (t nil) quote eval progn "\n"] 6>((cons (quote progn) (app
ly (quote nconc) (mapcar ... ...))))
    mapcar(#<compiled-function (from "x-menubar.elc") (var) "...(88)" [princ "  
" var prin1 setq-default val (t nil) quote eval progn "\n"] 6> (case-fold-search
 (backquote (setq-default overwrite-mode ...)) (if (default-value ...) (quote ..
.)) (backquote (setq-default case-fold-search ...)) case-replace (if (memq ... p
re-command-hook) (quote ...)) zmacs-regions mouse-yank-at-point teach-extended-c
ommands-p teach-extended-commands-timeout debug-on-error debug-on-quit lpr-switc
hes ps-print-color-p ps-paper-type get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit t
emp-buffer-show-function font-lock-auto-fontify font-lock-use-fonts font-lock-us
e-colors font-lock-maximum-decoration font-lock-maximum-size font-lock-mode-enab
le-list font-lock-mode-disable-list (if (featurep ...) (quote ...)) (if (and ...
 ...) (quote ...) (quote ...)) (if (and ... ...) (quote ...) (quote ...)) (if pa
ren-mode (backquote ...)) (if (featurep ...) (backquote ...)) (backquote (add-sp
ec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness ...)) (backquote (setq-default tr
uncate-lines ...)) bar-cursor (if (and ... blink-cursor-mode) (quote ...)) buffe
rs-menu-max-size complex-buffers-menu-p buffers-menu-sort-function buffers-menu-
grouping-function buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p font-menu-ignore-scaled-fon
ts font-menu-this-frame-only-p (if (featurep ...) (backquote ...)) browse-url-br
owser-function (cons (quote progn) (mapcar ... ...)) (cons (quote progn) (apply 
... ...))))
    #<compiled-function (from "x-menubar.elc") nil "...(267)" [save-options-init
-file user-init-file "" system-type ms-dos "~" user-login-name "/_emacs" "/.emac
s" actual-save-options-init-file abbreviate-file-name expand-file-name save-opti
ons-file file-name-directory t actual-save-options-file find-file-noselect init-
output-buffer nil init-output-marker options-output-buffer options-output-marker
 erase-buffer point-marker standard-output princ ";; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-\n\
n" "(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(" emacs-major-version " " emacs-minor-ve
rsion "))\n" print-escape-newlines print-readably mapcar #<compiled-function (fr
om "x-menubar.elc") ... "...(88)" ... 6> options-menu-saved-forms save-buffer re
-search-forward "^;; Options Menu Settings *\n" move 0 p "^;; End of Options Men
u Settings *\\(\n\\|\\'\\)" error "can't find END of saved state in .emacs" "\n"
 ";; Options Menu Settings\n" ";; =====================\n" "(cond\n" ...] 6 1176
219 nil>()
    call-interactively(save-options-menu-settings)

My definition for message-highlighted-header contents is:

  (make-face 'default)
		(set-face-foreground 'default "black")
		(set-face-background 'default "ghostwhite")
		(set-face-background-pixmap 'default "~/pixmaps/slate-light.xpm")
		(set-face-font 'default "*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-*-100-*")

  (copy-face 'default	'message-highlighted-header-contents)
		(set-face-font 'message-highlighted-header-contents "*-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*")

******************************************************************************

Performance on a SPARCstation 5 seems slower than 19.13. There seems
to be a small delay between the time a key is pressed on the keyboard
and the time a character appears in the buffer. I noticed this even in
a buffer without font-locking.

If I cover part of my XEmacs window with another window, then bring
the XEmacs window to the front, there is about a 1 second delay before
the expose event gets handled.

I did see an immediate improvement in the redraw problem when I turned
off truncate-lines. The key response seems somewhat better when I
speed up some lazy lock operations:

    (setq-default lazy-lock-hide-invisible nil)
    (setq-default lazy-lock-walk-windows nil)
    (setq-default lazy-lock-ignore-commands
		  (append
		   '(universal-argument
		     digit-argument
		     negative-argument
		     isearch-other-control-char
		     isearch-other-meta-char
		     self-insert-command)
		   (if (fboundp 'calc) '(calcDigit-key))))

I don't really know what the speed culprit is.

******************************************************************************

As someone already mentioned, a blinking cursor should stick "on" when
the cursor is in motion. The current behavior appears to be that the
cursor sticks in whatever state it was in at the time the motion
started.

******************************************************************************

Move the X cursor very rapidly between two XEmacs windows and watch
strange things happen. By doing this, I have been able to get *two*
blinking cursors (one in each window). I have also seen one cursor,
but in the XEmacs window my X cursor is not in.

I moved the X cursor between an XEmacs window and an xterm window and
managed to get the XEmacs cursor to stop blinking. Clicking in the
buffer got the cursor blinking again.

By the way, I use a thick bar cursor with cursor blinking enabled.

******************************************************************************

I use truncate-lines. If I have a long line and do a C-e, my bar
cursor turns into a block at the end of the *viewable* line (as though
auto-show-mode weren't enabled). If I do C-e again, the real end of
the line actually scrolls into view. Actually, just typing C-x is
enough to cause the scrolling to occur.

I've seen similar behavior with C-a, C-f, M-f, etc.. This problem did
not exist under 19.13 (although it had other problems).

******************************************************************************

The function make-directory used to not complain if the directory
already existed. Now it does. It is an alias for an ftp function, but
it seems that aliases should work like the original.

******************************************************************************

Start with truncate-lines off. Create two frames. In frame 1, turn on
truncate-lines using the Options menu. A horizontal scroll bar appears
in frame 1. Now go to frame 2 and check the status of the
truncate-lines option. It appears enabled in the menu. Try setting it
anyway. The horizontal scroll bar appears. Checking the menu, the
truncate-lines option is still reported as on.

******************************************************************************

On a Solaris 2.5 system, I get the following error on the console each
time I exit XEmacs:

	Jul  3 09:36:59 jay syslog: ioctl: I_SETSIG failed 22

This also occurred on Solaris 2.4. Error 22 is listed as:

     22  EINVAL   Invalid argument
            An  invalid  argument  was  specified  (for  example,
            unmounting a non-mounted device), mentioning an unde-
            fined signal in a call to the signal or kill routine.

from "man -s2 intro".

******************************************************************************

I've noticed several cases where the system load rose to maximum when
stealth fontifying was going on. The worst case was when I had set

    (setq-default lazy-lock-minimum-size nil)

then did a compile. The *compilation* buffer would be stealth
fontified (if the compilation took a while), the system load would
rise to maximum and the compilation would appear never to finish
unless I did something to abort the stealth fontifying.

In another case, I noticed that an Imakefile in another buffer (and
frame) was being stealth fontified with a message of "98%
complete...". My system's load factor was at max. Clicking in a buffer
turned off the stealth fontification and dropped the load factor. I
had waited a while for the message to disappear on its own before I
clicked.

******************************************************************************

					         -- tonyf@ims.com
					           (503) 626-5433

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
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>>>> Here's what 'Brad Howes (bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com)' wrote in a previous
>>>> article:

[snip]
 BH> I remembered that XEmacs 19.14 by default will font-lock modes that have
 BH> keyword regexp's defined. I was font-lock'ing all buffers twice!

Hasty words. The real problem is the version of lazy-lock I was using. The one
from the 19.14 distribution is version 1.14. I picked up 1.15 and everything is
just peachy, though setting lazy-lock-hide-invisible to t is still noticeably
affects cursor movement..

BTW: while tracking down the problem, I noticed that XEmacs may set the major
and minor modes of the file buffer twice, once when matching against the
auto-mode-alist and again if there is a mode setting at the beginning of the
file. Is this normal? If so, is there a 'good' way to write hook functions so
that they don't needlessly reexecute on the same buffer?

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Is there any way to cause a paragraph to be refilled (ala M-q) after a word
has been changed by ispell? I did not see any hooks to use in ispell.el.

Thanks,

Brad
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> would be great if words like CREATE , TABLES, SELECT , WHERE etc are
> colored appropriately.  

I wrote PL/SQL xemacs mode that does all that (and much more)
for .pls files, but works fairly well also for .sql files.

Let me know if you want to try it

Dmitry

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From: Chris Arnold <chrisa@corp.cirrus.com>
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I have been using Xemacs 19.13 for quite a bit.  It has a pcl-cvs module
that I've found very useful.

I just recently downloaded 19.14 and went to use its CVS.  The CVS
that came with 19.14 looks a little different than the one I used
with 19.13.

When I run the CVS that came with 19.13, here's the version info it
displays:
PCL-CVS release 1.05 from CVS release $Name:  $.
Copyright (C) 1992, 1993 Per Cederqvist

Anyway, when I use the 'd' command (diff) in the CVS window, the 
behavior seems a bit odd.  If I move the cursor to one file, with no
other files marked, and hit 'd', it will make a window with the diff
info for that one file.  However, the next 'd' I do will give me a
window with the new file diffed, and the old one.  It appears that the
call pcl-cvs is doing to diff actually has both filenames on the com-
mand line.  Anyway, each diff adds to the list.  This is cumbersome.

Has anyone had this happen to them?  Is this normal operation?  If
it isn't how can I fix this?
-- 

Chris

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I haven't followed this this group much since 19.14 came out and am
wondering if there are any patches floating around for the following
problems.

I figured I would throw these out and see before I try to fix some of
them or figure out how to reproduce them accurately.

1) *Completions* buffer is read-only sometimes when completing a
   filename in the minibuffer.  This might be because I'm using
   completer.el, but I doubt it.

2) Marker doesn't point anywhere in hypropos.  I saw a few posts about
   this and how it is apparently related to line-number-mode.  I don't
   like the "fix" in the FAQ :-)

3) XEmacs sometimes hangs until an event.  I sometimes notice that
   right after I kill a region I have to hit C-n or something for it
   to go away.  Also when I start gnus, very often it hangs until I
   hit a key.  I've noticed this on two different OS's (HPBSD and
   Solaris 2.4) and on two versions of X (R4 and R5.)  I remember this
   occuring in 19.13 too.  I don't remember if this has happens in tty
   mode tho.  This is probably real damned hard to fix.

4) "b" in edit-faces doesn't toggle boldness when using ttymode.  This
   is because `face-font-instance' doesn't have "-bold-" in it.

-- bart

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>>>>> "ilasic" == ilasic  <ilasic@baynetworks.com> writes:

ilasic> is it possible to compile XEmacs witout Xm libraries ?

Yes.  Some of us have never even seen an XEmacs built with Xm ...

P.S.
(setq mail-host-address "baynetworks.com")
will make your Message-IDs look nicer.
-- 
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I have obtained a copy of brielf.el, which works fine under emacs 19.31.
I can't get it to load under Xemacs 19.13.  

Does anyone know of a script to convert elisp from emacs calls to Xemacs
calls?? 

Anyone seen a port of brief.el to Xemacs?


-- 
Later,
Jeff

Jeff Kreska
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I wrote:
> 1) *Completions* buffer is read-only sometimes when completing a
>    filename in the minibuffer.  This might be because I'm using
>    completer.el, but I doubt it.

Ok, this is related to completer.el.  Nevermind :-)

-- bart

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You should use the easymenu.el bundled with emacs.  Try to locate any
other copy with 

	M-x locate-library RET easymenu RET

or

	M-x locate-library RET auc-menu RET


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>>>>> "CB" == Chera Bekker <bekker@tn.utwente.nl> writes:

CB> xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile 
CB> auc-old.el (more files)

Try this patch.  

Ironically, the convoluted way to load lpath.el was used because early
versions of Lucid Emacs crashed when given an -l argument. 

Index: Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/user_22/abraham/cvs/auctex/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 5.121
diff -c -r5.121 Makefile
*** 5.121	1996/03/23 02:10:44
--- Makefile	1996/07/15 21:08:38
***************
*** 45,51 ****
  autodir=$(aucdir)/auto
  
  # Using emacs in batch mode.
! BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer
  
  # Specify the byte-compiler for compiling AUC TeX files
  ELC= $(BATCH) -f batch-byte-compile
--- 46,52 ----
  autodir=$(aucdir)/auto
  
  # Using emacs in batch mode.
! BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q -l lpath.el
  
  # Specify the byte-compiler for compiling AUC TeX files
  ELC= $(BATCH) -f batch-byte-compile

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I am using xemacs 19.13. I was looking for some .el files to enable me
to do Java mode editing. I got the files java-mode.el and java-f-lck.el
from the local Sunsite. 

When I install them as per the instructions and try to edit Java program
I get the following message when trying to put tabs on an existing Java
source code. 
"Symbol's function definition is void: c++-backward-to-noncomment"
"Symbol's value as variabel is void: c-brace-offset"

However, those .el files are derived from cplus-md of emacs 19.28 (as
per the author's documentation).

Could someone pls help me to incorporate Java mode editing with xemacs.
When you post this msg to the newsgroup pls send me an email as I cannot
read or post into Usenet. Thanks in advance for your help.

Prabal Roy   prabal@fast.fujitsu.com.au
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I found my problem.  The sample .emacs file which came
with the XEmacs 19.14 distribution contains 

	(setq minibuffer-confirm-incomplete t)

which seems to cause the problem.


bmi@netcom.com writes:
> 
> When doing so, it kindly suggests a default path and filename
> (like ~/News/gnu/emacs/gnus/news).
> 
> But when I hit Enter, it says "No such file or directory".
> 
> How do I force it to create the needed directories on the fly?

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: Xemacs 19.14 endless loop when exiting Openwindows
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missing link wrote:

: Has anyone else seen Xemacs 19.14 (compiled distribution) go into an
: endless loop when Openwindows (version 3 SunOS 4.x) is exited with
: Xemacs still up.  The "...killed client (broken pipe).." error
: repeatedly displays to the console and uses so much cpu time, remote
: login is very slow.

: Thanks,  mark...

This is a bug which I reported in this newsgroup already for XEmacs
19.12 and 19.13. Frankly, I have given up hope that any of the XEmacs
developers will look at this problem seriously (are you listening, Ben ?).

It can be (sort of) fixed by modifying function x_IO_error_handler, in
file device-x.c. Here's my version of the function:

	int
	x_IO_error_handler (Display *disp)
	{
	  /* This function can GC */
	  Lisp_Object dev;
	  struct device *d = get_device_from_display (disp);
	  XSETDEVICE (dev, d);
	
	  if (NILP (find_nonminibuffer_frame_not_on_device (dev)))
	    {
	      /* We're going down. */
	      stderr_out
		("\n%s: Fatal I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n",
	         (STRINGP (Vinvocation_name) ?
		  (char *) string_data (XSTRING (Vinvocation_name)) : "xemacs"),
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp));
	      stderr_out
	        ("  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with %d events remaining.\n",
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	      /* assert (!_Xdebug); */
	    }
	  else
	    {
	      warn_when_safe
		(Qx, Qcritical,
		 "I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n"
		 "  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with "
		 "%d events remaining.\n",
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp),
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	    }
	
	  enqueue_magic_eval_event (io_error_delete_device, dev);
	
	  /* CvE, July 16, 1996, XEmacs 19.14 */
	  /* Test for broken pipe error, which indicates X-server has gone down */
	  if ( errno == EPIPE )
	  {
	      /* Most probably X-server has gone down: Avoid infinite loop by just exciting */
	      stderr_out( "\n\nXEmacs exiting on broken pipe (errno %d, %s)\n", errno, strerror( errno ) );
	      exit( 1 );
	  }
	
	  return 0;
	}



Good luck,

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Here's what I always do (for SunOS 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.4):

- do the complete build
- remove xemacs (and emacs-19.14-XEmacs)
- strip temacs !!!!!!!!!!!!!
- and then do make again, which then just loads the doc strings, etc.,
  into the stripped temacs : bingo.
- my temacs file is 2000076 bytes (Solaris 2.4, dynamically linked),
  and my xemacs is 3112936 bytes.

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: "-iconic" still doesn't work in 19.14
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Greg Jumper wrote:
: In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Mon Jun 24 1996, invoking
: xemacs with the "-iconic" flag, while iconifying the initial Emacs frame, does
: not correctly set the internal state of XEmacs to indicate that it is, in
: fact, iconified.  Thus, if server mode is started in an initially-iconic
: XEmacs, the first time one invokes "emacsclient", XEmacs cannot be deiconified
: internally -- it must be manually opened via the window manager.

: On the other hand, if XEmacs is invoked via "xemacs -f iconify-frame", then
: deiconification works as expected; however, the initial iconification takes
: place much later during startup (typically well after the rest of the window
: system has completed initializing).

This is a bug which I reported in this newsgroup already for XEmacs
19.12 and 19.13. Frankly, I have given up hope that any of the XEmacs
developers will look into this seriously (are you listening, Ben ?).

Anyway, I have fixed this problem with a modification of function
x_init_frame_1 in file frame-x.c: the fix is to remove the
initialisation of f->visible to 1, which causes the out-of-sync
behaviour when XEmacs is started iconified. Look at the comment which
I wrote in the function for more information.

Here is my version of function x_init_frame_1:

	static void
	x_init_frame_1 (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object props)
	{
	  /* This function can GC */
	  Lisp_Object device = FRAME_DEVICE (f);
	  struct device *d = XDEVICE (device);
	  Lisp_Object lisp_window_id;
	  Lisp_Object popup;
	
	  lisp_window_id = Fplist_get (props, Qwindow_id, Qnil);
	  popup = Fplist_get (props, Qpopup, Qnil);
	  if (!NILP (popup))
	    {
	      if (EQ (popup, Qt))
		popup = Fselected_frame (device);
	      CHECK_LIVE_FRAME (popup);
	      if (!EQ (device, FRAME_DEVICE (XFRAME (popup))))
		signal_simple_error_2 ("Parent must be on same device as frame",
				       device, popup);
	    }
	
	  if (NILP (DEVICE_SELECTED_FRAME (d)))
	    {
	      /* This means that this is the first frame on the device.
		 So short-ciruit the delay in processing the initial MapNotify
		 event so that output on the first frame shows up right
		 away... */
	      /* CvE, July 12, 1996: Do not set this to visible, since if
	       * -iconic is used, we are not visible: visible will be set when
	       * handling the second MapNotify event in handle_map_event.
	       * Note that this has been reported as a bug already in XEmacs 19.13
	       * (around Agust 10, 1995).
	       * f->visible = 1;
	       */
	    }
	
	  allocate_x_frame_struct (f);
	  x_create_widgets (f, lisp_window_id, popup);
	}


Good luck,

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Subject: Problem with options save in xemacs 19.14


Hello xemacs gurus ...
I'm trying to change colors and faces in xemacs 19.14.
I edited it in edit-faces menu which can be opened from
the menu bar and saved it.
But when I started another xemacs process it didn't load my
faces and colors...
I took a look at .emacs file and found there the following code:
_______________________________________________
;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings
_______________________________________________

In 19.13 all settings were written right into .emacs...
But as it came to light in 19.14 it is written into .xemacs-options 
file.
I checked file .xemacs-options and found that my settings were
written to there.
So for some reason xemacs while starting doesn't load this file...
Can somebody explain what could be the reason (reasons) ?

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Brent Goodrick <brent.goodrick@amd.com> writes:

> 
> luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:
> 
> Yes, I've seen it on SunOS4.1.4 in OpenWounds.  I don't know of the solution,
> other than L1 A  and reboot, or kill-emacs cleanly before exiting OpenWounds :(.
I have seen this bug on emacs-19.30, but it disapeared after recompilation
with gcc 2.7.2. Which version of gcc do you use?

If this doesn't help, you could do the following (asuming you are using csh
or tcsh and run xemacs on your local host).
Put the following in your .logout file:
if ($term == sun && `tty` == "/dev/console") then
       kill -9 `ps -auxww | grep emacs | grep $USER | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
endif

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I have set up pgp correctly and the mailcrypt hooks to vm according to
the info-files.


Unfortunately decoding messages is not possible because I run into
messages which start with:

Invalid funciton <macro . #<compiled function from "vm-misc.elc"..

Some error in vm-misc.elc or whatever.


This happens in xemacs 19.13 as well as in 19.14.

Is anybody out there who is using the same set-up successfully ,thus
implying a local problem with our .emacs files here ?

Is this a known error ?


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In article <wojpw5w6sde.fsf@puma.imag.fr>,
	Dinh-Tuan Pham <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr> writes:
> Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> When I click om buffers menu I see only the file names. Is there a way so that
>> I can also see the absolute or relrelative path of the file name ?? IT helps a lot 
>> when you are using TAGS ....Ofcourse C-x C-b would show this but I would
>> like to see it in the menu.
> 
> I have writen this code which do what you asked (I have somewhat
> hacked from ealier version of emacs). Put it in your .emacs.

An easier way to do this (at least in 19.14) is the following:
(defun format-buffer-menu-line (buffer)
  (format "%s %s %s"
	  (buffer-name buffer)
	  (if (buffer-modified-p buffer)
	      "*"
	    (if (symbol-value-in-buffer 'buffer-read-only buffer) "%" " "))
	  (or (and (buffer-file-name buffer)
		   (file-name-directory (buffer-file-name buffer)))
	      "")))
(setq buffers-menu-format-buffer-line-function 'format-buffer-menu-line)

This just redefines the function that is called to format the menu
entry.  Notice that the menu entry is formatted identical to Dinh-Tuan
Pham's solution.

You can also just do:
(setq buffers-menu-format-buffer-line-function 'slow-format-buffers-menu-line)
This will give a lot more information in the buffer menu.

-- 
-- Sjoerd Mullender <Sjoerd.Mullender@cwi.nl>
   <URL:http://www.cwi.nl/~sjoerd/>

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From: Ralf Nitsch <nitsch@zeus.ph1.Uni-Koeln.DE>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: xemacs dies before file deletion in dired-mode

I am using XEmacs 19.13 and encountered the following problem/bug:

xemacs -q
C-x 2
M-x dired
"mark so many files for deletion that the confirmation window would
be full"
x

emacs dies giving this error message:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file redisplay.c, line 6466, Dynarr_length (internal_cache)

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.


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These are two different problems.

1) When reading messages using VM I get the user name bounded with
 '<' '>' characters. How can I digest them in order to easily use the
 reply option. Not to mention that all my mail send to outside user are
 wrong and on 19.13 I had no problem.

2) I simply cannot use ps-print-buffer. what I do is ps-spool-buffer and
 then print the *PostScript* buffer.


 These two problems are causing us to hang on to 19.13 so I'll really
appreciate your answer.

 Thanks,
-- 
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From: Luke Thallmayer <let@toons.mds.lmco.com>
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Hi,

	I've just started using xemacs and I want to be able to save
my current setup.  Actually I'm new to X and I`m still tweaking
my X set up so saving my xemacs set up saves me time.
     	I learned about desktop.el and have that installed and
running but I would like something that would save the state of
the windows etc.
  	I`m not a lisp hack nor do I have the time right now to
learn elisp.  Has anyone written something that I can use?

	TIA,
----->Luke

P.S.  I have RTFAQ but found no reference, if it is there would someone
send me a pointer to the latest copy.  Thanks again.

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Sjoerd Mullender wrote:
> 
> An easier way to do this (at least in 19.14) is the following:

And here is #3 to do the same job. This one also cuts out your home
directory from pathnames to make things simpler (should work in 19.13
as well)

(defvar my-home-directory nil)

(defun my-set-home-directory ()
  (setq-default my-home-directory (expand-file-name "~")))
(my-set-home-directory)

(defun my-format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
  (if (string-match "\\` " (buffer-name buffer))
      nil
    (let ((buf-readonly 
	   (if (symbol-value-in-buffer 'buffer-read-only buffer) "%" " 
"))
	  (buf-modified 
	   (if (buffer-modified-p buffer) "*" " "))
	  (buf-name (or (buffer-file-name buffer)
			(buffer-name buffer))))
      (progn
	(setq buf-name 
	      (replace-in-string buf-name my-home-directory "~" t))
	(format "%s %s %s"
		buf-readonly
		buf-modified
		buf-name)))))

(defun format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
        (my-format-buffers-menu-line buffer))

-- 
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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
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I'm learning edebug and want to step through some code in the
oobr directory. I explicitly condition the defun I want. But
when I want to step into a callee function, It can't find it.

Is there a way to tell edebug to find functions anywhere they
might appear in one or several of xemacs's lisp directories? 
Can this conditioning be automatically toggled on and off?

                       Thamks, Stewart

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CvE> == Chris van Engelen <cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com>

 CvE> This is a bug which I reported in this newsgroup already for XEmacs
 CvE> 19.12 and 19.13. Frankly, I have given up hope that any of the XEmacs
 CvE> developers will look into this seriously (are you listening, Ben ?).

While the developers *do* read the group, they are human, and newsfeeds
are not perfect.  The best way to make sure a bug gets fixed is to join
the beta-test list, and send your patch there.  That way it will also go
on the beta-testers' bug list, and more people will watch for it to make
sure it stays fixed.

-- 
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From: uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Brian Handy)
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I've got a couple of questions that sure seem like FAQs but I can't seem
to find answers anywhere...maybe someone can help me or point me in the
right direction.

First off, I note that LaTeX mode works, but Xemacs is unable to figure
out it needs LaTeX mode when I'm editing a LaTeX2e file (with
"documentclass" instea of "documentstyle".  Is there an easy fix to
this?  I've spent a little time looking at the mode stuff and all I've
learned is I don't understand it...at all.  

This works in "vanilla" emacs, V19.30 specifically, so I'm a little
surprised it doesn't work here.  It smacks of me having done something
wrong.

Also...When I start up in TeX (or LaTeX) mode in vanilla emacs, I get
this pleasing menu bar for doing TeX commands.  This is not present in
xemacs.  It suggests to me I can customize my menu bars somewhat, which
would be nice...I don't often need to debug code, so there are certain
tool bar buttons I could use elsewhere. :-)  Any easy instructions for
how to change this?

Thanks in advance to anyone with the patience for my questions.  E-mail
responses preferred, it's always a gamble as to whether news will get
through my server or not.

Best regards,

Brian
uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu

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In article <9607170817.AA23603@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
 <gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com> wrote:
>
>But as it came to light in 19.14 it is written into .xemacs-options 
>file.
>I checked file .xemacs-options and found that my settings were
>written to there.
>So for some reason xemacs while starting doesn't load this file...
>Can somebody explain what could be the reason (reasons) ?

Oh, xemacs does load that file. But, look carefully. You'll see that the
face fontnames are not written properly. For some reason, no matter what
you change your fonts to, it always write 'courier' (in my case). I have no
idea why it does that though. 

Bandu
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Brad Howes wrote:
>
> Hasty words. The real problem is the version of lazy-lock I was using. The one
> from the 19.14 distribution is version 1.14. I picked up 1.15 and everything is
> just peachy, though setting lazy-lock-hide-invisible to t is still noticeably
> affects cursor movement..
> 
But where can we find version 1.15?

Thanks

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Last I checked, AucTeX had nice highlighting for LaTeX files
using hilit (using the XEmacs version).  I could get this to
work with 19.13, but the hilit code doesn't seem to work
with 19.14.  Perhaps I should just use font-lock, but it
isn't nearly as nice (e.g., emphasized text shown in italic,
boldface in bold).  Has anyone duplicated the highlighting
from the AucTeX's LaTeX highlighting using font-lock?

-- 

                                 John


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Jagath Samarabandu writes:
 > In article <9607170817.AA23603@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
 >  <gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com> wrote:
 > >
 > >But as it came to light in 19.14 it is written into .xemacs-options 
 > >file.
 > >I checked file .xemacs-options and found that my settings were
 > >written to there.
 > >So for some reason xemacs while starting doesn't load this file...
 > >Can somebody explain what could be the reason (reasons) ?
 > 
 > Oh, xemacs does load that file. But, look carefully. You'll see that the
 > face fontnames are not written properly. For some reason, no matter what
 > you change your fonts to, it always write 'courier' (in my case). I have no
 > idea why it does that though. 
 > 
Nevertheless I believe it doesn't load the file because if I run 
manually "M-x load-file ~/.xemacs-options " saved in ".xemacs-options" 
options are loaded. I can see it.


Yevgeny...

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Hi,

I'm trying to find out how to include ange-ftp files in with the
desktop file saved with the desktop package.  When I use the
desktop-save function, it only saves files local to this system, not
files with ange-ftp extended syntax like this:

    /username@remote_system:/dir1/dir2/dir3/filename

I load the desktop package like this in my .emacs file:

    (load "desktop")
    (desktop-load-default)
    (desktop-read)

Thanks,
Brent

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Hello,
	I'm using XEmacs 19.14, lazy-lock 1.15 & font-lock.  When ever I
print a buffer with ps-brint-buffer-with-faces, I get a printout with
the faces ok, but there is a background gray box on the text that has
the face info.  Normal text is ok, but comments, keywords, etc
(anything with a face) has this gray background.

Is there a new version of ps-print?

Thanks

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From: duhrenho@sanders.com (David Uhrenholdt)
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Is there a way to use FSF mouse-sel mode in xemacs,
or is there a way to simulate it's behavior in
xemacs?  The two things that it provides that
I like and I don't see in the standard xemacs
are:
1) The selection stays active until it is moved
to someplace else.

2) It uses thing-a-point to selection an object.

Porting mouse-sel.el to xemacs may be trival, but I am
interested in the what other people have done.

Dave
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From: Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: gnuserv.el broken
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:05:23 -0600
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		<x5687pp9ah.fsf@cuthbert.hpl.hp.com> <byhgr8tlze.fsf@math.ethz.ch> <x5enmc0xth.fsf@cuthbert.hpl.hp.com>
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Andy Norman wrote:
> 
> I can't see a good reason why not.  I'll add it to the to-do list.

Andy, while you're in a charitable mood, how about adding the ability to
open a new frame on an arbitrary display?  I patched three functions in 
gnuserv.el as follows:

(defun server-find-file (file &optional device) ;; Changed line
... much elisp later ...
(select-frame (make-frame nil device)) ;; Changed line
... Rest of function untouched...
)

(defun server-edit-files-quickly (list &optional device-name) ;; Changed
line
  (server-write-to-client current-client nil)
  (setq current-client nil)
  (while list
    (let ((line (car (car list)))
	  (path (cdr (car list)))
	  (device (make-x-device device-name))) ;; Changed line
      (server-find-file path device) ;; Changed line
... Rest of function untouched...

(defun server-edit-files (list &optional device-name) ;; Changed line
  (while list
    (let ((line (car (car list)))
	  (path (cdr (car list)))
	  (device (make-x-device device-name))) ;; Changed line
      (server-find-file path device) ;; Changed line
... Rest of function untouched...

Then in gnuclient.c, near the end of main(), replace the line:

  send_string (s,"))");

with

  ptr = getenv ("DISPLAY");
  if (ptr)
  {
      sprintf(command, ") \"%s\" )", ptr);
      send_string (s, command);
  }
  else
  {
      send_string (s,"))");
  }

Now that I think about it, it would also be nice to give gnuclient a 
"-display" command line option that would override the DISPLAY
environment
variable.

-- 
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>>>>> "Juergen" == Juergen Skerhut <juergen@ipb.uni-bonn.de> writes:
 ...
Juergen> Invalid funciton <macro . #<compiled function from "vm-misc.elc"..
 ...
Juergen> Is this a known error ?

The mailcrypt .elcs in the distributed XEmacs 19.14 need to be
bytecompiled.  Do a `make all-elc' from the top level directory, or
bytecompile mailcrypt by hand.
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>>>>> "jwz" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

    jwz> man.el is junk.  It shouldn't be looking at $MANPATH at all,
    jwz> it should just be invoking "man" and parsing the output; end
    jwz> of story.  Here:

Thanks for that.  Manual pages are now working faster and more
accurately.  I found that I needed to comment out a couple of lines in
order to be able to to distinguish entries like malloc(3C) and malloc(3X).

    ;; jwz: turn section "3x11" and "3n" into "3".
    ;; pwf: no, don't.
    ;;(if (and section (string-match "\\`\\([0-9]+\\)[^0-9]" section))
    ;;    (setq section (substring section 0 (match-end 1))))

Perhaps that code should have been conditional on system type.
Disabling it seems appropriate on IRIX 6.1 and Solaris 2.5.1.  It does
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Shouldn't suspend-or-iconify-emacs iconify the current frame instead
of all frames and on an 'attached' pty suspend 'gnuattach' ?

Jan


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Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com> writes:

> > Will that next release support all bells-and-whistles of the standard
> > emacsserver? In particular 'server-temp-file-regexp'? That will make
> > server really obsolete!
> 
> I can't see a good reason why not.  I'll add it to the to-do list.

I just did it (it was easier than I thought):

*** /u/users/vroonhof/jvsoft/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/gnuserv.el	Sun Jun 16 21:37:25 1996
--- gnuserv.el	Wed Jul 17 23:24:38 1996
***************
*** 5,11 ****
  ; Copying is permitted under those conditions described by the GNU
  ; General Public License.
  ;
! ; Copyright (C) 1989-1994  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  ;
  ; Author: Andy Norman (ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com) based on
  ;         'lisp/server.el' from the 18.52 GNU Emacs distribution.
--- 5,11 ----
  ; Copying is permitted under those conditions described by the GNU
  ; General Public License.
  ;
! ; Copyright (C) 1989-1996  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  ;
  ; Author: Andy Norman (ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com) based on
  ;         'lisp/server.el' from the 18.52 GNU Emacs distribution.
***************
*** 53,58 ****
--- 53,64 ----
  ;
  ; Ben Wing <wing@666.com> May/1996
  ; patch to get TTY terminal type correct.
+ ;
+ ; Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> July/1996
+ ; ported the server-temp-file-regexp feature from server.el
+ ; ported server hooks from server.el
+ ; ported kill-*-query functions from server.el (and made it optional)
+ ; synced other behaviour with server.el
  
  
  
***************
*** 73,83 ****
  
  (defvar server-done-function 'kill-buffer 
    "*A function of one argument, a buffer, which removes the buffer after editing.
! Functions such as 'kill-buffer' and 'bury-buffer' are good values.")
  
  (defvar server-program "gnuserv"
    "*The program to use as the edit server")
  
  (defvar server-process nil 
    "The current server process")
  
--- 79,107 ----
  
  (defvar server-done-function 'kill-buffer 
    "*A function of one argument, a buffer, which removes the buffer after editing.
! Functions such as 'kill-buffer' and 'bury-buffer' are good values. See also
! `server-done-temp-file-function'")
  
+ (defvar server-done-temp-file-function 'kill-buffer
+   "*A function of one argument, a buffer, which removes the buffer after editing a
+ temporary file. Functions such as 'kill-buffer' and 'bury-buffer' are
+ good values. See also `server-done-function'")
+ 
  (defvar server-program "gnuserv"
    "*The program to use as the edit server")
  
+ 
+  (defvar server-visit-hook nil
+    "*List of hooks to call when visiting a file for the Emacs server.")
+ 
+ ;; defined by server.el but obsolete?
+ ;; (defvar server-switch-hook nil
+ ;;  "*List of hooks to call when switching to a buffer for the Emacs server.")
+ 
+ (defvar server-done-hook nil
+   "*List of hooks to call when done editing a buffer for the Emacs server.")
+ 
+ 
  (defvar server-process nil 
    "The current server process")
  
***************
*** 93,101 ****
--- 117,138 ----
  that can be given to the server process to identify a client.
  When a buffer is killed, it is removed from this list.")
  
+ (defvar server-kill-quietly nil
+   "If this variable is set then don't confirm kills of buffers with
+   clients attached")
+ 
+ 
  (defvar server-buffer-clients nil
    "List of client ids for clients requesting editing of the current buffer.")
  
+ (defvar server-temp-file-regexp "^/tmp/Re\\|/draft$"
+   "*Regexp which should match filenames of temporary files
+ which are deleted and reused after each edit
+ by the programs that invoke the emacs server.")
+ 
+ (defvar server-make-temp-file-backup nil
+   "Non-nil makes the server backup temporary files also")
+ 
  (make-variable-buffer-local 'server-buffer-clients)
  (setq-default server-buffer-clients nil)
  (or (assq 'server-buffer-clients minor-mode-alist)
***************
*** 102,107 ****
--- 139,155 ----
      (setq minor-mode-alist (cons '(server-buffer-clients " Server") 
  				 minor-mode-alist)))
  
+ (defun server-temp-file-p (buffer)
+   "Return non-nil if BUFFER contains a file considered temporary.
+ These are files whose names suggest they are repeatedly
+ reused to pass information to another program.
+ 
+ The variable `server-temp-file-regexp' controls which filenames
+ are considered temporary."
+   (and (buffer-file-name buffer)
+        (string-match server-temp-file-regexp (buffer-file-name buffer))))
+ 
+ 
  (defun server-log (string)
    "If a *server* buffer exists, write STRING to it for logging purposes."
    (if (get-buffer "*server*")
***************
*** 196,202 ****
  ;; make gnuserv-start an alias to server-start, for backward compatibility
  (fset 'server-start (function gnuserv-start))
  
! 
  (defun server-write-to-client (client form)
    "Write the given form to the given client via the server process."
    (if (and client
--- 244,250 ----
  ;; make gnuserv-start an alias to server-start, for backward compatibility
  (fset 'server-start (function gnuserv-start))
  
! ; Can gnuserv handle commands in close succesion? (See server.el line 283) JV
  (defun server-write-to-client (client form)
    "Write the given form to the given client via the server process."
    (if (and client
***************
*** 243,249 ****
      (select-frame (make-frame nil device))
      (if (not file)
  	(switch-to-buffer (get-buffer-create "*scratch*"))
!       (find-file file))))
  
  (defun server-find-file (file)
    "Edit file FILENAME.
--- 291,298 ----
      (select-frame (make-frame nil device))
      (if (not file)
  	(switch-to-buffer (get-buffer-create "*scratch*"))
!       (find-file file)))
!   (run-hooks 'server-visit-hook))
  
  (defun server-find-file (file)
    "Edit file FILENAME.
***************
*** 298,304 ****
  		      (find-file file))
  	     (select-screen (create-screen (find-file-noselect file)))))
  
! 	  (t (find-file file)))))                        ;; emacs18+
  
  
  (defun server-edit-files-quickly (list)
--- 347,354 ----
  		      (find-file file))
  	     (select-screen (create-screen (find-file-noselect file)))))
  
! 	  (t (find-file file))))                          ;; emacs18+
!      (run-hooks 'server-visit-hook))                        
  
  
  (defun server-edit-files-quickly (list)
***************
*** 408,413 ****
--- 458,491 ----
  	      (setq old-clients (cdr old-clients))))))))
  
  
+ ;; Ask before killing a server buffer.
+ ;; It was suggested to release its client instead,
+ ;; but I think that is dangerous--the client would proceed
+ ;; using whatever is on disk in that file. -- rms.
+ (defun server-kill-buffer-query-function ()
+   (or server-kill-quietly
+       (not server-buffer-clients)
+       (yes-or-no-p (format "Buffer `%s' still has clients; kill it? "
+ 			   (buffer-name (current-buffer))))))
+ 
+ (add-hook 'kill-buffer-query-functions
+  	  'server-kill-buffer-query-function)
+ 
+ (defun server-kill-emacs-query-function ()
+   (let (live-client
+ 	(tail server-clients))
+     ;; See if any clients have any buffers that are still alive.
+     (while tail
+       (if (memq t (mapcar 'stringp (mapcar 'buffer-name (cdr (car tail)))))
+ 	  (setq live-client t))
+       (setq tail (cdr tail)))
+     (or server-kill-quietly
+         (not live-client)
+ 	(yes-or-no-p "Server buffers still have clients; exit anyway? "))))
+ 
+ (add-hook 'kill-emacs-query-functions 'server-kill-emacs-query-function)
+ 
+ 
  (defun server-kill-all-local-variables ()
    "Eliminate all the buffer-local variable values of the current buffer.
  This buffer will then see the default values of all variables.
***************
*** 435,440 ****
--- 513,519 ----
    "Mark BUFFER as \"done\" for its client(s).
  Buries the buffer, and returns another server buffer as a suggestion for the
  new current buffer."
+   ; Note we do NOT return a list with a killed flag, doesn't seem usefull to me. JV
    (let ((next-buffer nil)
  	(old-clients server-clients))
      (while old-clients
***************
*** 442,447 ****
--- 521,533 ----
  	(or next-buffer 
  	    (setq next-buffer (nth 1 (memq buffer client))))
  	(delq buffer client)
+ 	;; Delete all dead buffers from CLIENT.  (Why? JV , copyed from server.el)
+ 	(let ((tail client))
+ 	  (while tail
+ 	    (and (bufferp (car tail))
+ 		 (null (buffer-name (car tail)))
+ 		 (delq (car tail) client))
+ 	    (setq tail (cdr tail))))
  	;; If client now has no pending buffers,
  	;; tell it that it is done, and forget it entirely.
  	(if (cdr client)
***************
*** 450,459 ****
  	  (setq server-clients (delq client server-clients))))
        (setq old-clients (cdr old-clients)))
      (if (buffer-name buffer)
! 	(save-excursion
! 	  (set-buffer buffer)
! 	  (setq server-buffer-clients nil)))
!    (funcall server-done-function buffer)
      next-buffer))
  
  
--- 536,549 ----
  	  (setq server-clients (delq client server-clients))))
        (setq old-clients (cdr old-clients)))
      (if (buffer-name buffer)
!  	(progn
! 	  (save-excursion
! 	    (set-buffer buffer)
! 	    (setq server-buffer-clients nil)
! 	    (run-hooks 'server-done-hook))
! 	  (if (server-temp-file-p buffer)
! 	      (funcall server-done-temp-file-function buffer)
! 	    (funcall server-done-function buffer))))   
      next-buffer))
  
  
***************
*** 470,491 ****
    (let ((buffer (current-buffer)))
      (if server-buffer-clients
  	(progn
!  	  (if (mh-draft-p buffer)
   	      (progn (save-buffer)
  		     (write-region (point-min) (point-max)
  				   (concat buffer-file-name "~"))
  		     (kill-buffer buffer))
! 	    (if (and (buffer-modified-p)
! 		     (y-or-n-p (concat "Save file " buffer-file-name "? ")))
! 		(save-buffer buffer)))
  	  (server-buffer-done buffer)))))
  
  
  (defun server-edit (&optional arg)
!   "Switch to next server editing buffer and mark current one as \"done\".
! If a server buffer is current, it is marked \"done\" and optionally saved.
! MH <draft> files are always saved and backed up, no questions asked.
! When all of a client's buffers are marked as \"done\", the client is notified.
  
  If invoked with a prefix argument, or if there is no server process running, 
  starts server process and that is all.  Invoked by \\[server-edit]."
--- 560,591 ----
    (let ((buffer (current-buffer)))
      (if server-buffer-clients
  	(progn
!  	  (if (mh-draft-p buffer);; Does this comflict with temp-file ? JV
   	      (progn (save-buffer)
  		     (write-region (point-min) (point-max)
  				   (concat buffer-file-name "~"))
  		     (kill-buffer buffer))
! 	    (if (server-temp-file-p buffer)
! 		;; For a temp file, save, and do NOT make a non-numeric backup
! 		;; Why does server.el explicitly back up temporary files?
! 		(let ((version-control nil)
! 		      (buffer-backed-up (not server-make-temp-file-backup)))
! 		  (save-buffer))
! 	      (if (and (buffer-modified-p)
! 		       (y-or-n-p (concat "Save file " buffer-file-name "? ")))
! 		  (save-buffer buffer))))
  	  (server-buffer-done buffer)))))
  
  
  (defun server-edit (&optional arg)
!   "Switch to next server editing
! buffer and mark current one as \"done\". If a server buffer is
! current, it is marked \"done\" and optionally saved. MH <draft> files
! are always saved and backed up, no questions asked. Files that match
! server-temp-file-regexp are considered temporary and are saved
! unconditionally and
! backed up if server-make-temp-file-backup is non-nil. When all of a
! client's buffers are marked as \"done\", the client is notified.
  
  If invoked with a prefix argument, or if there is no server process running, 
  starts server process and that is all.  Invoked by \\[server-edit]."
***************
*** 495,501 ****
  	  (memq (process-status server-process) '(signal exit)))
        (server-start nil)
      (if server-buffer-clients
! 	(progn (server-switch-buffer (server-done))
  	       (cond ((or ;(not window-system) #### someone examine!
  			  (and gnuserv-frame 
  			       (or (and (fboundp 'frame-live-p)
--- 595,601 ----
  	  (memq (process-status server-process) '(signal exit)))
        (server-start nil)
      (if server-buffer-clients
! 	(progn (server-done-and-switch)
  	       (cond ((or ;(not window-system) #### someone examine!
  			  (and gnuserv-frame 
  			       (or (and (fboundp 'frame-live-p)
***************
*** 513,522 ****
         "(server-edit): Use only on buffers created by external programs.")
        )))
  
! (defun server-switch-buffer (next-buffer)
    "Switch to NEXT-BUFFER if a live buffer, otherwise switch to another buffer
! with gnuserv clients. If no such buffer is available, simply choose another 
! one."
    (if next-buffer
        (if (and (bufferp next-buffer)
  	       (buffer-name next-buffer))
--- 613,623 ----
         "(server-edit): Use only on buffers created by external programs.")
        )))
  
! (defun server-switch-buffer-internal (next-buffer always)
    "Switch to NEXT-BUFFER if a live buffer, otherwise switch to another buffer
! with gnuserv clients. If no such buffer is available, we switch to
! another normal buffer if `always' is non-nil!"
!   ;; switching 
    (if next-buffer
        (if (and (bufferp next-buffer)
  	       (buffer-name next-buffer))
***************
*** 524,535 ****
  	;; If NEXT-BUFFER is a dead buffer,
  	;; remove the server records for it
  	;; and try the next surviving server buffer.
! 	(server-switch-buffer
! 	 (server-buffer-done next-buffer)))
!     (if server-clients
! 	(server-switch-buffer (nth 1 (car server-clients)))
!       (switch-to-buffer (other-buffer)))))
  
  (global-set-key "\C-x#" 'server-edit)
  
  (provide 'gnuserv)
--- 625,653 ----
  	;; If NEXT-BUFFER is a dead buffer,
  	;; remove the server records for it
  	;; and try the next surviving server buffer.
! 	(server-switch-buffer-internal
! 	 (server-buffer-done next-buffer) always))
!       (if server-clients
! 	  (server-switch-buffer-internal (nth 1 (car server-clients)) always)
! 	(if always
! 	    (switch-to-buffer (other-buffer))))))
  
+ ;; For compatability
+ (defun server-switch-buffer (next-buffer)
+   (server-switch-buffer-internal next-buffer t))
+ 
+ ;; The below function calles server-done and switches to the next
+ ;; sensible buffer. This implementation works regardless of the values
+ ;; of server-*-function and doens't need the tail recursion
+ ;; variable passing of server.el. It is more transparant too. JV
+ (defun server-done-and-switch ()
+   "Be done with the current buffer and switch to another server buffer
+   if there is one, otherwise just switch buffer"
+   (let ((old-current (current-buffer)))
+     (server-switch-buffer-internal (server-done) nil)
+     (if (eq old-current (current-buffer))
+ 	(switch-to-buffer (other-buffer)))))
+ 
  (global-set-key "\C-x#" 'server-edit)
  
  (provide 'gnuserv)



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>>>>> "CD" == Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:

CvE> == Chris van Engelen <cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com>
CvE> This is a bug which I reported in this newsgroup already for XEmacs
CvE> 19.12 and 19.13. Frankly, I have given up hope that any of the XEmacs
CvE> developers will look into this seriously (are you listening, Ben ?).

CD> While the developers *do* read the group, they are human, and newsfeeds
CD> are not perfect.  The best way to make sure a bug gets fixed is to join
CD> the beta-test list, and send your patch there.  That way it will also go
CD> on the beta-testers' bug list, and more people will watch for it to make
CD> sure it stays fixed.


I think I recall that a little while back Ben explained that this bug
is caused by a race-condition/bug in several window-managers.  I think
he also said that he finally gave up hope to find a fix for this bug.

Please correct me if my memory serves me wrong!


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gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com writes:

> Jagath Samarabandu writes:
>> In article <9607170817.AA23603@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
>>  <gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com> wrote:

>>>But as it came to light in 19.14 it is written into .xemacs-options file.
>>>I checked file .xemacs-options and found that my settings were written to
>>>there.  So for some reason xemacs while starting doesn't load this file...
>>>Can somebody explain what could be the reason (reasons) ?

>> Oh, xemacs does load that file. But, look carefully. You'll see that the
>> face fontnames are not written properly. For some reason, no matter what
>> you change your fonts to, it always write 'courier' (in my case). I have no
>> idea why it does that though.

> Nevertheless I believe it doesn't load the file because if I run manually
> "M-x load-file ~/.xemacs-options " saved in ".xemacs-options" options are
> loaded. I can see it.

You're right, XEmacs-19.14 doesn't load the save-options-file on its own.
Normally, the "Save Options" menu item writes all the options to the
save-options-file (default "~/.xemacs-options") and then adds a "little code"
to the end of save-options-init-file (default "~/.emacs") that will cause the
options file to be loaded.  Check to see if this code was added to your .emacs
file.

Personally, I don't like this style as it doesn't allow for an Emacs
administrator to set this up (easily) via the default.el file which is where I
would prefer this stuff to be done.  What I would prefer:

1. Create a variable as in:

	(defvar save-options-loaded nil
	  "Boolean specifying if save-options-file has been loaded")

2. Include in the saved options something like:

	(setq save-options-loaded t)

3. Eliminate the use of save-options-init-file completely.
4. Put into XEmacs after the code that loads site-start.el, .emacs, and
   default.el something like:

	(if (and (not save-options-loaded)
		 (file-exists-p (expand-file-name save-options-file)))
	    (load 'save-options-file))

In this way, an Emacs administrator for a site could do all the work with
respect to the options file (specifying where it should be located and even
loading it) and not have to worry about a "dumb" Emacs user who mistakenly
changes the "little code" at the end of .emacs.  The "smart" Emacs user still
has full control by simply changing the value of save-options-file.

Reasonable?  (Chuck/Ben?)
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Date: 17 Jul 1996 16:39:52 -0700
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Hi,

Version 19.13 did not have this problem. In 19.14, when I run a program in GDB,
for every next/step command Xemacs switches the display window on me. If I have
only one Xemacs windows opened, it opens another one and keeps switching. How
do I turn this "feature" off?

Oops, just noticed something else. Why do I have this misconfigured Message-ID
field?


Thanks.

-- 
Simon Goland   sg@mda.ca   B-)>

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Subject: Re: cc-mode indent level
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In article <61buhgi057.fsf@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> >>>>> "SP" == Sobhan Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:
> 
>     SP> I get only 2 spaces when I indent in c-mode as I have indent
>     SP> level as 2. How to change it in Xemacs 19.14.
> 
>     SP> I know that in gnu emacs its : (setq c-indent-level 4)
> 
> (add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook '(lambda () (setq c-basic-offset 4)))
> 
> This is the same as in Emacs 19.30 (and beyond -- actually any Emacs
> with cc-mode).  Both Emacs 19.31 and XEmacs 19.14 come with the
> cc-mode manual, so you should check that out for details.

This seems to work.

I should point out that the info pages say:

"... if you like the general indentation style,
but you use 4 spaces instead of 2 spaces per level, you can probably
achieve your style just by changing `c-basic-offset' like so (in your
`.emacs' file)(1):
     (setq-default c-basic-offset 4)"
	....
(1)  The reason you need to use `setq-default' instead of `setq' is
that `c-basic-offset' is a buffer local variable, as are most of the
`cc-mode' configuration variables.  If you were to put this code in,
e.g. your `c-mode-common-hook' function, you could use `setq'."

setq-default doesn't seem to work, at least for me.

-Jim


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>>>>> "David" == David S Goldberg <dsg@linus.mitre.org> writes:

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Steven> :-( No disagreement.  The latest beta shows definite
Steven> improvement in this area, though it refuses to recognize any
Steven> Gnus later than 5.2.25 when installing.

David> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.34/Emacs 19.31

David> I'm happily using tm7.70 (the latest beta unless a new one came out
David> since yesterday) and it happily recognizes gnus 5.2.34.  Did you
David> perhaps forget to edit gnus/g5-path?

No.

The configuration assumes for XEmacs 19.14 and XEmacs 20.0/mule, that
you are only using the standard Gnus (5.2.25).  Editing gnus/g5-path
does not help.  It works for you because Emacs 19.31 does not have
Gnus 5.3 supplied with it, though that will be corrected when 19.32
hits the 'net.

-- 
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>>>>> On 11 Jul 1996 17:46:13 +0200, Roland Jesse
>>>>> <jesse@hppool.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> said:

  Roland> [[-- sez something about setting post-command-hook being
  Roland>      better than setting gnus-startup-hook --]]

IMNSHO it is much better to use gnus-startup-hook!  post-command-hook
gets executed after *every* command.  Please note that hitting the A
key executes self-insert-command which is a command.  Thus,
post-command-hook gets executed after pretty much every keypress!

This is surely not desirable for variable settings that should just be
set once when Emacs starts up.

I suggest just putting

  (setq mail-host-address "foo.bar.com")

and the like in the .emacs file, not even adding it to
gnus-startup-hook.  I do that and it works just fine for me.

regards,
kai
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:49:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Woods <cjwoods@GIGOTech.NET>
To: "Prabal K. Roy" <prabal@fast.fujitsu.com.au>
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On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Prabal K. Roy wrote:

> I am using xemacs 19.13. I was looking for some .el files to enable me
> to do Java mode editing. I got the files java-mode.el and java-f-lck.el
> from the local Sunsite. 

[...]

Upgrade to 19.14. java-mode is predumped in the binary distributions, and 
is very nice. It is actually part of cc-mode.

I could never get either the java-mode.el/java-flock.el that you have to 
work (I got the same errors), nor could I get indentation working 
properly with 19.13 and cc-mode 2.482.

		-cjw


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From: William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
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Subject: Re: browse a URL in another frame
Date: 17 Jul 1996 21:23:57 -0700
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Eddie McCreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:

> 
> How do I configure gnus to spawn a new frame running w3 when
> I want to browse a url from within an article?
> 
> Currently it puts the web page over the article buffer.

  (setq browse-url-browser-function 'w3-fetch-other-frame)

-Bill P.

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The following elisp doesn't work for me in xemacs 19.14:

(defun my-find-file-other-frame (filename)
  "Edit file FILENAME, create frame if necessary."
  (interactive "FGo to file in other frame: ")
  (cond
   ((buffer-dedicated-frame (find-file-noselect filename))
    (make-frame-visible (buffer-dedicated-frame (find-file-noselect filename))))
   (t (switch-to-buffer-other-frame (find-file-noselect filename)))))

(global-set-key [(control x) (control f)] 'my-find-file-other-frame)

The problem is that buffer-dedicated-frame always returns nil, even though
(find-file-noselect filename) evaluates to a buffer.  Am I doing something
wrong here?


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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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[untested]

(setq keyboard-translate-table (make-string ?\C-s 0))
(let ((i 0))
  (while (< i ?\C-s) 
    (aset keyboard-translate-table i i)
    (setq i (1+ i)))
  (aset keyboard-translate-table ?\C-s ?\C-\\))

Check the value of keyboard-translate-table before doing this. If it's not
nil, skip everything but the last line. BTW, I think you should also do a
similar thing for C-q and C-^.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: edebug - Advice Wanted
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In article <31ECED28.74FF@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:

> Is there a way to tell edebug to find functions anywhere they
> might appear in one or several of xemacs's lisp directories? 

I doubt it very much. Before edebug can step into a function, it needs to
be instrumented (edebug-defun'ed), so that edebug can insert its debugging
calls. Which means that you need to load the file and edebug-defun the
function, or at eval the whole buffer with edebug-all-defs set.

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Jul 18 02:20:26 1996
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From: dcook@xenu.utexas.edu (David M. Cook)
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Subject: Compiling AucTeX for XEmacs
Date: 18 Jul 1996 07:14:24 GMT
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I'm trying to compile AucTeX (9.4g) for XEmacs (19.14).  I replaced emacs 
with xemacs everywhere in the Makefile, but when it gets to this part:

xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile 
auc-old.el  tex.el ...

it doesn't produce the needed .elc files (nor does it produce any 
errors).  Is there something else I need to modify?  Or perhaps I'm 
missing something from my xemacs installation?

Thanks,

Dave Cook


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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: x86 Solaris 2.4 binaries available (again).
Date: 18 Jul 1996 00:29:43 -0700
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The binaries have a major problem fixed with editing large files
(turned out to be an optimizer bug).  Binaries with and without
sparcworks support are available.

xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz
xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz
-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
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Subject: Re: Problem with options save in xemacs 19.14


David Masterson writes:
 > --Multipart_Wed_Jul_17_15:21:40_1996-1
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 > 
 > gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com writes:
 > 
 > > Jagath Samarabandu writes:
 > >> In article <9607170817.AA23603@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
 > >>  <gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com> wrote:
 > 
 > >>>But as it came to light in 19.14 it is written into .xemacs-options file.
 > >>>I checked file .xemacs-options and found that my settings were written to
 > >>>there.  So for some reason xemacs while starting doesn't load this file...
 > >>>Can somebody explain what could be the reason (reasons) ?
 > 
 > >> Oh, xemacs does load that file. But, look carefully. You'll see that the
 > >> face fontnames are not written properly. For some reason, no matter what
 > >> you change your fonts to, it always write 'courier' (in my case). I have no
 > >> idea why it does that though.
 > 
 > > Nevertheless I believe it doesn't load the file because if I run manually
 > > "M-x load-file ~/.xemacs-options " saved in ".xemacs-options" options are
 > > loaded. I can see it.
 > 
 > You're right, XEmacs-19.14 doesn't load the save-options-file on its own.
 > Normally, the "Save Options" menu item writes all the options to the
 > save-options-file (default "~/.xemacs-options") and then adds a "little code"
 > to the end of save-options-init-file (default "~/.emacs") that will cause the
 > options file to be loaded.  Check to see if this code was added to your .emacs
 > file.
 > 
 > Personally, I don't like this style as it doesn't allow for an Emacs
 > administrator to set this up (easily) via the default.el file which is where I
 > would prefer this stuff to be done.  What I would prefer:
 > 
 > 1. Create a variable as in:
 > 
 > 	(defvar save-options-loaded nil
 > 	  "Boolean specifying if save-options-file has been loaded")
 > 
 > 2. Include in the saved options something like:
 > 
 > 	(setq save-options-loaded t)
 > 
 > 3. Eliminate the use of save-options-init-file completely.
 > 4. Put into XEmacs after the code that loads site-start.el, .emacs, and
 >    default.el something like:
 > 
 > 	(if (and (not save-options-loaded)
 > 		 (file-exists-p (expand-file-name save-options-file)))
 > 	    (load 'save-options-file))
 > 
 > In this way, an Emacs administrator for a site could do all the work with
 > respect to the options file (specifying where it should be located and even
 > loading it) and not have to worry about a "dumb" Emacs user who mistakenly
 > changes the "little code" at the end of .emacs.  The "smart" Emacs user still
 > has full control by simply changing the value of save-options-file.
 > 
 > Reasonable?  (Chuck/Ben?)
 > --Multipart_Wed_Jul_17_15:21:40_1996-1
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 > 
 > ==================================================================
 > David Masterson				KLA Instruments
 > 408-456-6836				P.O. Box 49055 M/S F1-9440
 > davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
 > ==================================================================
 >       I only speak for myself -- it keeps me out of trouble
 > 
 > --Multipart_Wed_Jul_17_15:21:40_1996-1--

I fixed the problem . I was just short of some package which
was requested from .emacs.And because this request was before
the loading of options the execution of .emacs was not able to
reach the part of .emacs where options are loaded.

Thanks to everybody for attention...
 
Yevgeny

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Subject: how to get rid of tear-off menu in buffers menu


Does somebody know how can I get rid of tear-off menu in buffers menu.
I mean the menu where are the following options:
select buffer; kill buffer and so on...

I got accustomed to switch to buffer by choosing a proper
buffer from the menu. Now I must do it in two steps ,that
disturbs me...

Thanx in advance for any help or advice...

Regards Yevgeny... 

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From: Robin Boch <robin_boch@non-hp-germany-om4.om.hp.com>
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Subject: basic-mode
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:37:07 +0200
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Does anyone know of a mode for Basic, Visual Basic or something the
like, or has someone written one for him/herself?

-Robin

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From: Julian Gosnell <jgosnell@csfp.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: null email address in vm 5.96 and xemacs 19.14
Date: 18 Jul 1996 08:51:14 +0100
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Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com> writes:

> 
> Andreas Kaempf wrote:
> > 
> > hi all...
> > 
> > i just went from xemacs 19.13 to 19.14 and have run into an email
> > problem...
> > 
> > when i send out email my address in the from line appears as:
> > 
> > Andreas Kaempf <> but should be Andreas Kaempf <akaempf@sccon.com>
> > 
> > everything worked in xemacs 19.13...
> > 
> > does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this...
> > 
> > thanks
> > andreas
> > 
> >    Steller Computer Consultants         Andreas Kaempf
> >         P.O. BOX 3873
> >      Nashua, NH 03062  USA            akaempf@sccon.com
> 
> I had a related problem.  My "from" line was being set to 
> 
> 	wayne@muli.coryphaeus.com
> 
> not
> 
> 	wayne@coryphaeus.com
> 
> I set the variable (setq vm-mail-header-from "wayne@coryphaeus.com")
> in my vm-mode-hooks.  I sent mail to myself and it looks fine.  I don't
> know about the rest of the world yet.  Just tried this 5 minutes ago.
> 

I've tried that - and whilst working from VM - it doesn't work if you
just hit M-x mail. 'mail' loads from sendmail.el - so I had a dig
around in there and found 'user-mail-address' - set this to the
correct address and it appears to work transparently for both mail and
vm - although I've only tried mailing myself so far.

Maybe this should be one for the FAQ - unless it's already in there !


If anyone can tell me how to avoid getting shot for having gnus
misconfigured I should be grateful.

I've tried setting the following variables :

(setq mail-host-address "csfp.co.uk")
(setq gnus-local-domain "csfp.co.uk")
(setq gnus-local-organization "Credit Suisse Financial Products, London, UK.")

but to no avail - I must be missing something - but having been all
around sendmail.el I don't fancy looking through gnus.el as well this
morning.


Jules

P.S.

I don't know if the first two vars have the right value - it was just
a stab in the dark.


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gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com writes:
 > 
 > Does somebody know how can I get rid of tear-off menu in buffers menu.
 > I mean the menu where are the following options:
 > select buffer; kill buffer and so on...
 > 
 > I got accustomed to switch to buffer by choosing a proper
 > buffer from the menu. Now I must do it in two steps ,that
 > disturbs me...
 > 
 > Thanx in advance for any help or advice...
 > 
 > Regards Yevgeny... 
Options->Menubar Appearance->Multi-Operation Buffers sub-menus

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In article <4sj3jl$b6c@netra.oscs.montana.edu> uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Brian Handy) writes:

   First off, I note that LaTeX mode works, but Xemacs is unable to figure
   out it needs LaTeX mode when I'm editing a LaTeX2e file (with
   "documentclass" instea of "documentstyle".  Is there an easy fix to
   this?  I've spent a little time looking at the mode stuff and all I've
   learned is I don't understand it...at all.  

   This works in "vanilla" emacs, V19.30 specifically, so I'm a little
   surprised it doesn't work here.  It smacks of me having done something
   wrong.

   Also...When I start up in TeX (or LaTeX) mode in vanilla emacs, I get
   this pleasing menu bar for doing TeX commands.  This is not present in
   xemacs.  It suggests to me I can customize my menu bars somewhat, which
   would be nice...I don't often need to debug code, so there are certain
   tool bar buttons I could use elsewhere. :-)  Any easy instructions for
   how to change this?

This should be an FAQ, really.

The TeX/LaTeX modes built into both emacs and xemacs are far from
being useful for more than the very very occasional user. If you are
planning to do any more or less serious work with one of them, you
should get AucTeX from CTAN (ftp.dante.de, or for you probably the
mirror at ftp.cdrom.com, in a directory tex-archive/support/auctex or
so) and install it.

Perhaps it will some day be the default mode of xemacs -- who knows.
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From: nicki@mech2.pi.tu-berlin.de (Nicolas Bessert)
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I am not a good lisp programmer, so I have problems to customade the
fortran.el for me. Especially I want a indentation for the
100   continue
         .
         .
         .
         .
      If (cond) goto 100
loop. I looked in the fortran.el and I understand the prinzip of 
indentation, but I wasn't able to make the desired changes.

Is there anyone who had made changes like this and can help me.

Thank you for any answers.


Nicolas

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(X)Emacs is great editor but it has some disadvantages :

It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow in my opinion. 
It runs as a single thread. Multiple threads are nice, especially for news
 and www.  
It's not object-oriented. 
A lot of people don't like lisp. 
It's a huge package. 

To solve this problem my proposal is :

Let's write a new editor in java ! ( if there isn't yet such a project ???) 

Java supports threads, is object-oriented, is nearly as fast as C 
(with JIT's), a lot of people will use it as a programming language. 
Also an object-oriented framework could help to reuse more code. 

Any opinions ?

Markus 
 


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Delete the elc files of vm, re-byte-compile them and give it a try again.

The problem is with only two or three of them but I don't remember the
bad ones.


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Does Calc work with XEmacs?  It failed on the compile for me (looks
like a keymap problem).

Thanks for any info.

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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>
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I'm trying to use the Emacs Web browser by connecting to a ford proxy
server on the ford intra-net using port 83. Using the below csh
environment variables, Emacs-w3 connects to the server but uses port
80. Is there something wrong with the syntax?

How can I get Emacs-w3 to connect to port 83. Netscape works just
find.

no_proxy=ford.com
gopher_proxy=internet.ford.com/83
wais_proxy=internet.ford.com/83
ftp_proxy=internet.ford.com/83
http_proxy=internet.ford.com/83

-- 
Michael Tennes

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HI,
	Question about fortran mode.  I can hit the tab key to indent the line, but it can get messy if the previous line has a different indentation ( esp. with a lot of cut/paste-ing of code) SO, I can go to the start of the buffer and hit tab on each line in turn till the end of the buffer. :: IS there an easy way of doing this ? 

Also, After reading the sample.emacs file I still can't get my start-up to work with emacs and xemacs - all the which version code dosen't seem to work. What should it be to work with both emacs and xemacs ?



Thanks,		Gareth.
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From: George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu>
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Subject: call-process broken on binary for DEC Alpha, also build problem
Date: 18 Jul 1996 10:34:41 -0400
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Using the precompiled binary for OSF1/v3.2 on a DEC Alpha (this occurs
on machines running 3.0B and 3.2C) call-process does not return the
correct exit code.  


Using the precompiled binary:
-----------------------------
emacs-version
"19.14 XEmacs Lucid"

(call-process "test" nil t nil "1" "-eq" "0")
0

Using a version built from source:
----------------------------------
emacs-version
"19.14 XEmacs Lucid"

(call-process "test" nil t nil "1" "-eq" "0")
1

This is the source of the problem with vc with RCS that I reported
earlier.  When C-x C-q or vc-next-action is called on a checked-out
file from a new xemacs (started after the file was checked out), it
tries to determine whether the workfile differs from the last checked
in version using call-process to run rcsdiff.  rcsdiff actually
returns 1 if the they differ, but call-process returns 0 and XEmacs
decides to use the checked in version, wiping out the changes.

Also, when I tried to build from source on an Alphastation 400 4/233
running OSF/1 v3.0B, I ran into a problem because the configure script
decided that there was no select().  This is apparently because the
conftest.c program includes ctype.h and then defines select(); the
compiler (gcc) complains about the redefinition and configure
concludes that there is no working select().  When I edited
src/config.h to set HAVE_SELECT to 1, everything built and seems to be
ok.

George


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From: fowler@cs.utexas.edu (Chris Fowler)
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Subject: Fatal error: assertion failed, file specifier.c, line 2424, abort()
Date: 18 Jul 1996 11:11:57 -0500
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This is on Linux 2.0.7 on a Pentium 100.  I seem to remember having this
problem with xemacs 19.13, but I don't remember how it was resolved.

This is after attempting to compile Xemacs 19.14 on my own.  I haven't
tried the binary distribution. 

Here is the full error message:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file specifier.c, line 2424, abort()

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
IOT trap


Anyone have any clues?

Chris Fowler
fowler@outreach.com
fowler@cs.utexas.edu


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I'm trying to find the latest version of the regular expression source
code or libraries. The library needs to have the POSIX API (regcomp,
regexec, regerror, and regfree). 

I've downloaded and tried to use the regex-0.12 GNU library but it seems
to have some problems with anchoring to the beginning of the line. And
also doesn't look like it has been changed since 1993.

I have also downloaded and tried the rx-1.0 source. It seems to be a
pre-release version, the include files are not setup correctly after
doing a "make install". Does anyone know if the "rx" library is still
being supported?

Is there any other libraries available from the either the GNU emacs or
Xemacs groups. Does anyone else have a POSIX compatible regular
expression library available?

Thanks,
Dave.

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>>>>> On 18 Jul 1996 14:36:56 +0200, Kohler Markus
>>>>> <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> said:

  Kohler> It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow in
  Kohler> my opinion.

This cannot be solved by `writing a new editor in Java'.  Here's why:
Emacs is more of a Lisp interpreter than an editor.  That is, Emacs
without any Lisp extensions can do comparatively few things.  All of
the nifty stuff resides in Emacs Lisp libraries.

I seriously doubt that you will be able to write a Lisp interpreter in
Java that is as fast as Emacs.

I think a more promising route to take would be to optimize the
byte-compiler further or to compile Emacs Lisp code to a lower level.

It will take quite a bit of work to reimplement Gnus and W3!

  Kohler> It runs as a single thread. Multiple threads are nice,
  Kohler> especially for news and www.  It's not object-oriented.  A
  Kohler> lot of people don't like lisp.  It's a huge package.

Well, the multiple thread thingy might be corrected.  I don't use
XEmacs but I heard that there is a threads library included with it.
Does anybody more knowledgeable with XEmacs have any more to say on
this?

  Kohler> To solve this problem my proposal is :

  Kohler> Let's write a new editor in java ! ( if there isn't yet such
  Kohler> a project ???)

I'm sure there is an editor in Java, but unless you're prepared to put
very much time into it, it won't be nearly as powerful/useful/have as
many features as Emacs.

  Kohler> Java supports threads, is object-oriented, is nearly as fast
  Kohler> as C (with JIT's), a lot of people will use it as a
  Kohler> programming language.  Also an object-oriented framework
  Kohler> could help to reuse more code.

With JITs.  Hmm.  What is it?  As I'm condemned to write Java I would
surely appreciate something that would make it execute faster than the
Sun JDK stuff can do.  Just In Time Compiler?  Neat idea!

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I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't found any info in the docs. If you know how to do please reply here or e-mail me.

thanks


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From: Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>
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Subject: Re: Emacs-w3
Date: 18 Jul 1996 13:10:28 -0400
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MT> == Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>

 MT> I'm trying to use the Emacs Web browser by connecting to a ford proxy
 MT> server on the ford intra-net using port 83. Using the below csh
 MT> environment variables, Emacs-w3 connects to the server but uses port
 MT> 80. Is there something wrong with the syntax?

 MT> no_proxy=ford.com
 MT> gopher_proxy=internet.ford.com/83
[etc]

Try using URL syntax, like "gopher_proxy=http://internet.ford.com:83/".

It looks like host:port will also work.

host/port, however, won't.  At least with w3.

(For the gory details, check out url.el's defun of url-register-protocol.)

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From: Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr>
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dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:

> 
> In article <4sj3jl$b6c@netra.oscs.montana.edu> uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Brian Handy) writes:
> 
>    First off, I note that LaTeX mode works, but Xemacs is unable to figure
>    out it needs LaTeX mode when I'm editing a LaTeX2e file (with
>    "documentclass" instea of "documentstyle".  Is there an easy fix to
>    this?  I've spent a little time looking at the mode stuff and all I've
>    learned is I don't understand it...at all.  
> 
>    This works in "vanilla" emacs, V19.30 specifically, so I'm a little
>    surprised it doesn't work here.  It smacks of me having done something
>    wrong.
> 
>    Also...When I start up in TeX (or LaTeX) mode in vanilla emacs, I get
>    this pleasing menu bar for doing TeX commands.  This is not present in
>    xemacs.  It suggests to me I can customize my menu bars somewhat, which
>    would be nice...I don't often need to debug code, so there are certain
>    tool bar buttons I could use elsewhere. :-)  Any easy instructions for
>    how to change this?
> 
> This should be an FAQ, really.
> 
> The TeX/LaTeX modes built into both emacs and xemacs are far from
> being useful for more than the very very occasional user. If you are
> planning to do any more or less serious work with one of them, you
> should get AucTeX from CTAN (ftp.dante.de, or for you probably the
> mirror at ftp.cdrom.com, in a directory tex-archive/support/auctex or
> so) and install it.

Well I find it quite useful and I am an extensive user of tex (not
latex or latex2e). It has less command but is much faster and easier
to use than AucTeX.

The problem with tex-mode in XEmacs is that it is too old, at least 2
versions behind that of Emacs. But you can take the file tex-mode.el
of Emacs, delete any references to menus (since XEmacs don't
understand the menu syntax of Emacs), byte-compile it and put it into
your Xemacs lisp directory. Then your text-mode will understand
latex2e.

As for the menu, I have written a file "tex-mode+.el" which create a
tex-mode menu together with tex-math menu for entering mathematical
and Greek symbols. It also provide several convenient commands (see
near the end of the source)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
PHAM Dinh Tuan                         | e-mail: Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr
Laboratoire de Modelisation et Calcul  | Tel: +33 76 51 44 23
BP 53, 38041 Grenoble cedex (France)   | Fax: +33 76 63 12 63
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file tex-mode+.el (byte-compile and put in the XEmacs lisp library)


;; tex-mode+ (Pham Dinh Tuan)
;; Add this line in .emacs or default
;; (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook (function (lambda () (load "tex-mode+"))))

(add-hook
 'tex-shell-hook
 (function
  (lambda ()
    (set-buffer-menubar (copy-sequence current-menubar))
    (add-submenu
     nil 
     '("TeX-Shell"
       ["Tex Recenter"     tex-recenter-output-buffer 
                                       (get-buffer "*tex-shell*")]
       ["Tex Print"        tex-print     (stringp tex-print-file)]
       ["Tex Print (alt)"  tex-alt-print (stringp tex-print-file)]
       ["Tex View"         tex-view      (stringp tex-print-file)]
       ["Show Print Queue" tex-show-print-queue                 t]
       ["Tex Kill"         tex-kill-job       (tex-shell-running)]
       ))
    ))
 )

(set-buffer-menubar (copy-sequence current-menubar))
(add-submenu
 nil
 (cons
  mode-name
  '(["Tex Buffer"            tex-buffer                 t]
    ["Tex Region"            tex-region
     (or (not zmacs-regions) (mark))]
    ["Tex File"              tex-file                   t]
    ["Tex Recenter"          tex-recenter-output-buffer
     (get-buffer "*tex-shell*")]
    ["Tex Print"             tex-print                  t]
    ["Tex Print (alt)"       tex-alt-print              t]
    ["Tex View"              tex-view                   t]
    ["Show Print Queue"      tex-show-print-queue       t]
    ["validate-tex-buffer"   validate-tex-buffer        t]
    ["tex-validate-region"   tex-validate-region
     (or (not zmacs-regions) (mark))]
    ["Tex Kill"              tex-kill-job
     (tex-shell-running)]
    "-"
    ["Tex Insert {"          tex-insert-braces          t]
    ["Tex Terminate Paragr." tex-terminate-paragraph    t]
    ["Tex Up List"           up-list                    t]
    ["Tex Latex Block"       tex-latex-block
     (not (string= mode-name "TeX"))]
    ["Tex Close Latex Block" tex-close-latex-block
     (not (string= mode-name "TeX"))]
    )))

(add-submenu
 nil
 '("TeX-Math"
   ("Operators"
    ["union"          (insert "\\cup") t]
    ["intersection"   (insert "\\cap") t]
    ["direct sum"     (insert "\\oplus") t]
    ["direct diff."   (insert "\\ominus") t]
    ["set minus"      (insert "\\setminus") t]
    ["tensor product" (insert "\\otimes") t]
    ["dot in O"       (insert "\\odot") t]
    ["minimum"        (insert "\\wedge") t]
    ["maximum"        (insert "\\vee") t]
    ["muptyiply"      (insert "\\times") t]
    ["divide"         (insert "\\div") t]
    ["asterisk"       (insert "\\ast") t]
    ["star"           (insert "\\star") t]
    ["circle"         (insert "\\circ") t]
    ["negation"       (insert "\\neg") t]
    ["plus or minus"  (insert "\\pm") t]
    ["minus or plus"  (insert "\\mp") t])
   ("Symbols"
    ["for all"            (insert "\\forall") t]
    ["there exists"       (insert "\\exists") t]
    ["square root"        (insert "\\sqr") t]
    ["script l"           (insert "\\ell") t]
    ["Re(al part)"        (insert "\\Re") t]
    ["Im(aginary part)"   (insert "\\Im") t]
    ["partial derivative" (insert "\\partial") t]
    ["infinity"           (insert "\\infty") t]
    ["empty (set)"        (insert "\\emptyset") t]
    ["nabla"              (insert "\\nabla") t]
    ["triangle"           (insert "\\triangle") t]
    ["left angle bracket" (insert "\\langle") t]
    ["right angle bracket"(insert "\\rangle") t]
    ["angle"              (insert "\\angle") t]
    ["dagger"             (insert "\\dagger") t]
    ["double dagger"      (insert "\\ddager") t]
    ["centered dot"       (insert "\\cdot") t]
    ["bullet"             (insert "\\bullet") t]
    ["diamond"            (insert "\\diamond") t]
    ["big circle"         (insert "\\bigcirc") t]
    ["aleph"              (insert "\\aleph") t]
    ["h bar"              (insert "\\hbar") t])
   ("Accents"
    ["hat"              (insert "\\hat") t]
    ["check"            (insert "\\check") t]
    ["tilde"            (insert "\\tilde") t]
    ["acute"            (insert "\\acute") t]
    ["grave"            (insert "\\grave") t]
    ["dot (over)"       (insert "\\dot") t]
    ["double dot"       (insert "\\ddot") t]
    ["bar (over)"       (insert "\\bar") t]
    ["vec (over)"       (insert "\\vec") t]
    ["wide hat"         (insert "\\widewhat") t]
    ["wide tilde"       (insert "\\widetilde") t]
    ["overline"         (insert "\\overline") t]
    ["underline (math)" (insert "\\unerline") t]
    ["underline (text)" (insert "\\underbar") t])
   ("Relations"
    ["equivalent"        (insert "\\equiv") t]
    ["dot equal"         (insert "\\doteq") t]
    ["congruent"         (insert "\\cong") t]
    ["approx. equal"     (insert "\\approx") t]
    ["similar"           (insert "\\sim") t]
    ["similar equal"     (insert "\\simq") t]
    ["propoortional"     (insert "\\propto") t]
    ["perpendicular"     (insert "\\perp") t]
    ["element of"        (insert "\\in") t]
    ["containing"        (insert "\\ni") t]
    ["subset"            (insert "\\subset") t]
    ["subset or equal"   (insert "\\subseteq") t]
    ["superset"          (insert "\\supset") t]
    ["superset or equal" (insert "\\supseteq") t]
    ["<<"                 (insert "\\ll") t]
    [">>"                 (insert "\\gg") t])
   ("Arrows"
    ["->"               (insert "\\rightarrow") t]
    ["|-> (mapsto)"     (insert "\\mapsto") t]
    ["<-"               (insert "\\leftarrow") t]
    ["<->"              (insert "\\leftrightarrow") t]
    ["uparrow"          (insert "\\uparrow") t]
    ["downarrow"        (insert "\\downarrow") t]
    ["up down arrow"    (insert "\\updownarrow") t]
    ["=>"               (insert "\\Rightarrow") t]
    ["<="               (insert "\\Leftarrow") t]
    ["<=>"              (insert "\\Leftrightarrow") t]
    ["double uparrow"   (insert "\\Uparrow") t]
    ["double downarrow" (insert "\\Downarrow") t]
    ["double up down"   (insert "\Updownarrow") t]
    ["-->"              (insert "\\longrightarrow") t]
    ["|-->"             (insert "\\longmapsto") t]
    ["<--"              (insert "\\longleftarrow") t]
    ["<-->"             (insert "\\longleftrightarrow") t]
    ["==>"              (insert "\\Longrightarrow") t]
    ["<=="              (insert "\\Longleftarrow") t]
    ["<==>"             (insert "\\Longleftrightarrow") t])
   ("Greek"
    ["alpha"   (insert "\\alpha") t]
    ["beta"    (insert "\\beta") t]
    ["gamma"   (insert "\\gamma") t]
    ["delta"   (insert "\\delta") t]
    ["epsilon" (insert "\\epsilon") t]
    ["zeta"    (insert "\\zeta") t]
    ["eta"     (insert "\\eta") t]
    ["theta"   (insert "\\thet") t]
    ["iota"    (insert "\\iota") t]
    ["kappa"   (insert "\\kappa") t]
    ["lambda"  (insert "\\lambda") t]
    ["mu"      (insert "\\mu") t]
    ["nu"      (insert "\\nu") t]
    ["xi"   (insert "\\xi") t]
    ["pi"   (insert "\\pi") t]
    ["rho"   (insert "\\rho") t]
    ["sigma"   (insert "\\sigma") t]
    ["tau"   (insert "\\tau") t]
    ["upsilon"   (insert "\\upsilon") t]
    ["phi"   (insert "\\phi") t]
    ["chi"   (insert "\\chi") t]
    ["psi"   (insert "\\psi") t]
    ["omega"   (insert "\\omega") t])
   ("Greek +"
    ["Gamma"   (insert "\\Gamma") t]
    ["Delta"   (insert "\\Delta") t]
    ["Theta"   (insert "\\Theta") t]
    ["Lambda"   (insert "\\Lambda") t]
    ["Xi"   (insert "\\Xi") t]
    ["Pi"   (insert "\\Pi") t]
    ["Sigma"   (insert "\\Sigma") t]
    ["Upsilon"   (insert "\\Upsilon") t]
    ["Phi"   (insert "\\Phi") t]
    ["Psi"   (insert "\\Psi") t]
    ["Omega"   (insert "\\Omega") t]
    "--"
    ["varepsilon"   (insert "\\varepsilon") t]
    ["vartheta"   (insert "\\vartheta") t]
    ["varpi"   (insert "\\varpi") t]
    ["varrho"   (insert "\\varrho") t]
    ["varsigma"   (insert "\\varsigma") t]
    ["varphi"   (insert "\\varphi") t])
   ))

(defun tex-exit ()
  "Send the tex process the charater X"
  (interactive) (tex-send-command "X"))

(defun tex-continue ()
  "Send the tex process a return character"
  (interactive) (tex-send-command "\r"))

(defun tex-nonstop ()
  "Send the tex process the character R"
  (interactive) (tex-send-command "R"))

(defun tex-scroll ()
  "Send the tex process the character S"
  (interactive) (tex-send-command "S"))

(defun tex-goto-error ()
  "Goto the line where an error has been found by tex"
  (interactive)
  (let ((tex-shell (get-buffer "*tex-shell*")))
    (if (null tex-shell)
	(message "No TeX output buffer")
      (let ((old-buffer (current-buffer)) linenum)
	(pop-to-buffer tex-shell)
	(bury-buffer tex-shell)
	(if (re-search-backward "^l\.[0-9]+ " nil t)
	    (progn
	      (goto-char (+ (point) 2))
	      (setq linenum (read (current-buffer)))
	      (re-search-backward "^!" nil t)
	      (recenter 0)))
	(pop-to-buffer old-buffer)
	(if (integerp linenum)
	    (goto-line linenum)
	  (message "Can't find line number"))))))

; suggested bindings
(define-key tex-mode-map "\C-c\C-x" 'tex-exit)
(define-key tex-mode-map "\C-c\r" 'tex-continue)
(define-key tex-mode-map "\C-c\C-n" 'tex-nonstop)
(define-key tex-mode-map "\C-c\C-s" 'tex-scroll)
(define-key tex-mode-map "\C-c\C-e" 'tex-goto-error)

;; end text-mode+.el

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Put this in your .emacs file:

(display-column-mode)

That gives you the line and column in "line/col" format on your status bar.

-Eric.


Mats Jansson writes:
 > I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't found any info in the docs. If you know how to do please reply here or e-mail me.
 > 
 > thanks
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Subject: emacs rewritten in java (2) ?
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Sorry, 
What i mean is to write a completely new extensible editor, not using lisp, 
but java for implementing modes etc.

Markus 

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    "Kohler" == Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

    Kohler> (X)Emacs is great editor but it has some disadvantages :

    Kohler> It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow
    Kohler> in my opinion.  It runs as a single thread. Multiple
    Kohler> threads are nice, especially for news and www.  It's not
    Kohler> object-oriented.  A lot of people don't like lisp.  It's a
    Kohler> huge package.

And a lot of people also think that lisp is the best thing after
sliced bread. And a lot of people also think that java is just another
lanaguage that is going to be very popular.

    Kohler> To solve this problem my proposal is :

    Kohler> Let's write a new editor in java ! ( if there isn't yet
    Kohler> such a project ???)

And what would java add to the value of emacs?

    Kohler> Java supports threads, is object-oriented, is nearly as
    Kohler> fast as C (with JIT's), a lot of people will use it as a
    Kohler> programming language.  Also an object-oriented framework
    Kohler> could help to reuse more code.

Lisp can:

	Support threads

	Be object oriented (and very well, thank you)

	Be as fast as C or FORTRAN

    Kohler> Any opinions ?

You got em ;)

But, in a less evangelical mood, I have nothing against java (to tell
the truth I need to learn much more than I already know). However I
can see no reason to do a rewrite in java. It's still not clear to me
what the advantages are.....anyone who has used elisp to do more than
maintain a .emacs file or write a function or two will usually love
it. I am sure the same is true of java....but why would we rewrite a
great package in a great language?

No, lets give elisp threads and a better compiler. And, to be honest,
lets keep the OO part out! :)

Cheers!
Shyamal
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These opinions are mine, not my employers.

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I am in viper mode at startup, I would like to be in text-mode or 
indented-text-mode as default in viper mode rather than the default fundamental
mode, how can I do that? 

I set 
(setq-default vip-auto-indent t)
in ~/.vip, however, in the fundamental mode, I am not be able to get
auto-indent, although in C mode I can. What's wrong? 

Thanks very much.


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Subject: Re: Help! How to see which line I'm editing?
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> I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is
> possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't
> found any info in the docs. If you know how to do please reply here
> or e-mail me.

in XEmacs 19.11 you need to turn on line-number-mode.  Try:

M-x line-number-mode

C-h a line-number-mode will show you what it does.

-- Gary F.

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ykoh@newshost.us.oracle.com wrote:
> 
> Hi, can anyone tell me how to configure the .emacs file to highlight my own customised words?
> I am doing SQL stuff and it would be great if words like CREATE , TABLES, SELECT
> , WHERE etc are colored appropriately.
> 
> I think it might have to do with something like font-lock.el file but I don't seem to have that.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Yeong-Ping Koh
> --------------

Here is a snipit of what I found to work in C.
;; -----------------------------------------------------
;;
;; My great fontifying rules  <you make up your own names>
;;
(make-face 'C-keyword-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'C-keyword-face "ForestGreen")
(make-face-bold 'C-keyword-face)

(make-face 'Mrm-keyword-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Mrm-keyword-face "yellow")
(make-face-bold 'Mrm-keyword-face)

(make-face 'Xm-constant-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Xm-constant-face "pink")
(make-face-bold 'Xm-constant-face)

(make-face 'Xm-type-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Xm-type-face "pink")
(make-face-bold 'Xm-type-face)

(make-face 'Xm-function-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Xm-function-face "pink")
(make-face-bold 'Xm-function-face)

(make-face 'Xt-type-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Xt-type-face "coral")
(make-face-bold 'Xt-type-face)

(make-face 'Xt-function-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'Xt-function-face "coral")
(make-face-bold 'Xt-function-face)

(let
    ((c-keyword-names
      (concat 
       "printf\\|sprintf\\|fprintf\\|"
       "scanf\\|sscanf\\|fscanf\\|"
       "fopen\\|fclose\\|open\\|close\\|"
       "read\\|write\\|lseek\\|"
       "socket\\|bind\\|listen\\|accept\\|select\\connect\\|"
       "strlen\\|strcpy\\|strncpy\\|strtok\\|strstr\\|"
       "strchr\\|strpos\\|strrpos\\|strcmp\\|strncmp\\|"
       "strcasecmp\\|strncasecmp\\|strcat\\|strncat\\|"
       "strtol\\|strtod\\|strtoul\\|exit\\|"
       "isspace\\|malloc\\|sizeof\\|fgets\\|"
       "memset\\|memmove\\|memccpy\\|memchr\\|memcpy\\|"
       "memcmp\\|FILE\\|popen\\|pclose\\|NULL"))
     (Mrm-keyword-names
      (concat
"MrmSUCCESS\\|MrmCREATE_NEW\\|MrmINDEX_RETRY\\|MrmINDEX_GT\\|MrmINDEX_LT\\|"
"MrmPARTIAL_SUCCESS\\|MrmFAILURE\\|MrmNOT_FOUND\\|MrmEXISTS\\|MrmNUL_GROUP\\|"
"MrmNUL_TYPE\\|MrmWRONG_GROUP\\|MrmWRONG_TYPE\\|MrmOUT_OF_RANGE\\|MrmBAD_RECORD\\|"
"MrmNULL_DATA\\|MrmBAD_DATA_INDEX\\|MrmBAD_ORDER\\|MrmBAD_CONTEXT\\|MrmNOT_VALID\\|"
;
; etc... < your names here >
;
"MrmFetchWidget\\|MrmFetchWidgetOverride\\|MrmFetchSetValues"))
     (Xm-constant-names
      (concat
"XmVERSION\\|XmREVISION\\|XmUPDATE_LEVEL\\|XmVersion\\|XmVERSION_STRING\\|"
;
; etc...
;
"MrmFetchWidget\\|MrmFetchWidgetOverride\\|MrmFetchSetValues\\|"))
     (Xm-constant-names
      (concat
;
; etc...
;
      ))
     (Xm-type-names
      (concat
;
; etc..
))
     )
  (setq c-font-lock-keywords-3 (purecopy
    (append c-font-lock-keywords-2
      (list
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" c-keyword-names "\\)\\>") 1 'C-keyword-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Mrm-keyword-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Mrm-keyword-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xm-constant-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xm-constant-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xm-type-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xm-type-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xm-function-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xm-function-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xt-type-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xt-type-face)
       (list (concat "\\<\\(" Xt-function-names "\\)\\>") 1 'Xt-function-face)
       )))))



And then in my c-mode-hook
(defun my-c-mode-hooks ()
  "C mode hooks"
;
; blah blah
;
  (setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-3)
  (turn-on-font-lock)
)

In a mode I wrote to highlight an internal file format, I have something similar


(defvar set-file-mode-syntax-table nil
  "Syntax table in use in set file mode buffers.")

(defvar set-file-font-lock-keywords nil
  "table of set file font lock keywords.")

(if set-file-mode-syntax-table
    ()
  (setq set-file-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table (standard-syntax-table)))
)

(defun set-file-mode ()
  "Mode for EasyScene set file scripts"
  (interactive)
  (setq major-mode 'set-file-mode)
  (setq mode-name ".set")
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (run-hooks 'set-file-mode-hook))

(make-face 'set-file-keyword-face)
;(set-face-foreground 'set-file-keyword-face "plum")
(make-face-bold 'set-file-keyword-face)
(let
    ((set-file-keyword-names
      (concat 
"%endif\\|%if\\|%ifdef\\|%ifndef\\|ALL\\|BBOX\\|BSPHERE\\|COOKED\\|CULLIN\\|"
;
;  many words here
;
    )))
     )
  (setq set-file-font-lock-keywords
	(list
	 (list (concat "\\<\\(" set-file-keyword-names "\\)\\>") 1 'set-file-keyword-face)
	 '("\\(\\(^#[^\n]*$\\)\\|\\([^#$]#[^\n]*$\\)\\)" 1 set-file-comment-face t)
	 )
))

(defun my-set-file-mode-hook ()
  "blah"
  (setq font-lock-keywords set-file-font-lock-keywords)
  (setq tab-stop-list '(3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30 33 36 39 42 45 48 51 54 57 60))
  (local-set-key '[tab] 'tab-to-tab-stop)
  (font-lock-mode)
  (setq ps-bold-faces (cons 'set-file-keyword-face ps-bold-faces))
  (setq ps-italic-faces (cons 'set-file-comment-face ps-italic-faces))
  )

(add-hook 'set-file-mode-hook 'my-set-file-mode-hook)

And then in my .Xdefaults I've got

!
! faces for c-faces.el
!
Emacs.C-keyword-face.attributeForeground : ForestGreen
Emacs.Mrm-keyword-face.attributeForeground : yellow
Emacs.Xm-constant-face.attributeForeground : pink
Emacs.Xm-type-face.attributeForeground : pink
Emacs.Xm-function-face.attributeForeground : pink
Emacs.Xt-type-face.attributeForeground : coral
Emacs.Xt-function-face.attributeForeground : coral
!
!  faces for set-file-mode
!
Emacs.set-file-keyword-face*attributeForeground : yellow
Emacs.set-file-cmdword-face*attributeForeground : yellow
Emacs.set-file-string-face*attributeForeground : green
Emacs.set-file-comment-face*attributeForeground : cyan
Emacs.font-lock-string-face.attributeForeground : green
!


When you put colors into the .Xdefaults, you cannot change them with Edit-Faces
but it make it much nicer for others to use your list (lisp) with their own colors

Email me if you want it all.


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>>>>> "Omar" == Omar Siddique <omar@umbc.edu> writes:

Omar> I'm trying to remap C-\ (which isn't used for anything) to be usable
Omar> as an alternate for C-s.

Examine the file utils/flow-ctrl.el (which also exists in RMS GNU Emacs).

You want to have a line like:
(enable-flow-control-on "vt200" "vt300" "vt101" "vt131")

in your .emacs, which will enable the kind of changes you are looking
for when XEmacs is run from certain terminals.
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From: Kevin Dalley <kevin@vger.seti-inst.edu>
To: xemacs%cs.uiuc.edu@vger.seti-inst.edu
Subject: core dump in hpux
Reply-To: kevin@vger.seti-inst.edu

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700

I received a core dump as I started xemacs, while automatically
loading my .emacs file.  When I start up "xemacs -q", followed by
"load-file .emacs", I don't get a crash.  I used the precompiled
version of xemacs available by ftp.  Here is my backtrace.  I noticed
that the strcats in x-get-resource have a fixed size destination,
which I assume is the cause of the segmentation violation.

kevin



(gdb) run
The program being debugged has been started already.
Start it from the beginning? (y or n) y
Starting program: /seti/kevin/bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/xemacs-19.14 
warning: Unable to find __d_pid symbol in object file.
warning: Suggest linking with /usr/lib/end.o.
warning: GDB will be unable to track shl_load/shl_unload calls
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x7b01ac34 in strcat ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x7b01ac34 in strcat ()
#1  0xf11e4 in Fx_get_resource ()
#2  0x50100 in primitive_funcall ()
#3  0x4fe9c in funcall_subr ()
#4  0x50d1c in funcall_recording_as ()
#5  0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#6  0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#7  0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#8  0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#9  0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#10 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#11 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#12 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#13 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#14 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#15 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#16 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#17 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#18 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#19 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#20 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#21 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#22 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#23 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#24 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#25 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#26 0x4f220 in call1 ()
#27 0x6f990 in Fmake_face ()
#28 0x50158 in primitive_funcall ()
#29 0x4fe9c in funcall_subr ()
#30 0x51314 in Feval ()
#31 0x54a10 in Fprogn ()
#32 0x54b1c in Fcond ()
#33 0x51144 in Feval ()
#34 0xa0c10 in readevalloop ()
#35 0xa1f78 in Fload_internal ()
#36 0x50140 in primitive_funcall ()
#37 0x4fe9c in funcall_subr ()
#38 0x50d1c in funcall_recording_as ()
#39 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#40 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#41 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#42 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#43 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#44 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#45 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#46 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#47 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#48 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#49 0x50158 in primitive_funcall ()
#50 0x4fe9c in funcall_subr ()
#51 0x51314 in Feval ()
#52 0x53408 in condition_case_1 ()
#53 0x53234 in Fcondition_case_3 ()
#54 0x309b4 in Fbyte_code ()
#55 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#56 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#57 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#58 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#59 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#60 0x50d34 in funcall_recording_as ()
#61 0x50990 in Ffuncall ()
#62 0x30e98 in Fbyte_code ()
#63 0x4fca4 in funcall_lambda ()
#64 0x4fe34 in apply_lambda ()
#65 0x510f4 in Feval ()
#66 0x53408 in condition_case_1 ()
#67 0x35fd4 in top_level_1 ()
#68 0x5381c in internal_catch ()
#69 0x35d38 in initial_command_loop ()
#70 0x4c3e4 in main_1 ()
#71 0x4b16c in main ()
(gdb) p strcat
$1 = {<text variable, no debug info>} 0x7b01ab48 <strcat>
(gdb) up
#1  0xf11e4 in Fx_get_resource ()
(gdb) kill
Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) y
In Local core dump file,
No selected stack frame.
(gdb) where
#0  0x800ae8b8 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x10.
(gdb) run
Starting program: /seti/kevin/bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/xemacs-19.14 
warning: Unable to find __d_pid symbol in object file.
warning: Suggest linking with /usr/lib/end.o.
warning: GDB will be unable to track shl_load/shl_unload calls
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x7b01ac34 in strcat ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Fatal error (11).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /seti/kevin/bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/xemacs-19.14 core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x7b00f8b8 in kill ()
(gdb) 

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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
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Subject: Help Menu Items Broken
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Some of the help menu items like
"List Key Bindings" won't work initially. 

I get the error message

"Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show"

I believe this is part of the Hyperbole Package. What should 
I do to make it work?

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Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr> writes:

> Well I find it quite useful and I am an extensive user of tex (not
> latex or latex2e). It has less command but is much faster and easier
> to use than AucTeX.

I am not out to spoil your fun, but I fail to see both. Here AucTeX
starts up with minimal delay and responds direct (if you enable the
file parsing it takes longer, but you don't need to do that). As to
ease of use, I really don't know why you could say that... The
configuration takes some work but it is easy to do and that is may the
only more complicated thing.

To put it more strongly. I fail to see why people have put time into
upgrading tex-mode.el. It is a waste. If you are using LaTeX you
should be using AUCTeX, period. If you are using something else either
you shouldn't (pure plain) or extend AUCTeX to support your macroset
(other extended TeX macro sets).

Thank you Per,

Jan

Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr> writes:

> As for the menu, I have written a file "tex-mode+.el" which create a
> tex-mode menu together with tex-math menu for entering mathematical
> and Greek symbols. It also provide several convenient commands (see
> near the end of the source)

But your menu doesn't list all the symbols. The math-menu from AucTeX
does (and even lists the AMS symbols). If you don't like AucTeX you
can use x-symbol.el to get the symbols (it also has a symbol menu).

-- 
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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> >>>>> On 18 Jul 1996 14:36:56 +0200, Kohler Markus
> >>>>> <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> said:

>   Kohler> It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow in
>   Kohler> my opinion.

> This cannot be solved by `writing a new editor in Java'.  Here's why:
> Emacs is more of a Lisp interpreter than an editor.  That is, Emacs
> without any Lisp extensions can do comparatively few things.  All of
> the nifty stuff resides in Emacs Lisp libraries.

> I seriously doubt that you will be able to write a Lisp interpreter in
> Java that is as fast as Emacs.

I think you missed a step, Kai.  I think what he was proposing was dumping
Lisp altogether and having Java fill that role (ie. rewrite all the Elisp
libraries in Java).

> It will take quite a bit of work to reimplement Gnus and W3!

True, and even if they were reimplemented in Java, there is no guarantee that
they would be speedier.

>   Kohler> It runs as a single thread. Multiple threads are nice,
>   Kohler> especially for news and www.  It's not object-oriented.  A
>   Kohler> lot of people don't like lisp.  It's a huge package.

> Well, the multiple thread thingy might be corrected.  I don't use
> XEmacs but I heard that there is a threads library included with it.
> Does anybody more knowledgeable with XEmacs have any more to say on
> this?

Haven't played with threads in Emacs, but was EFS going to allow multiple
things to be done at the same time.  Come to think of it, isn't it currently
possible to start an asynchronous copy in ANGE-FTP or W3?

>   Kohler> To solve this problem my proposal is :

>   Kohler> Let's write a new editor in java ! ( if there isn't yet such
>   Kohler> a project ???)

> I'm sure there is an editor in Java, but unless you're prepared to put very
> much time into it, it won't be nearly as powerful/useful/have as many
> features as Emacs.

I haven't seen an editor in Java that's akin to Emacs (but it might be out
there somewhere).  Personally, I think the things that should be worked on in
the area of Emacs, Java, and Browsers are:

1. An (X)Emacs plug-in for Netscape (this would probably give Netscape a big
   leg up on Microsoft Internet Explorer!).
2. A communications interface for Emacs Lisp and Java (so that Emacs could
   take advantage of new libraries written in Java or vice versa).
3. An (X)Mosaic compiled with XEmacs as a widget.  Come to think of it, could
   Lynx be compiled with XEmacs as a widget?

Consider #1 and #2 together!!

>   Kohler> Java supports threads, is object-oriented, is nearly as fast
>   Kohler> as C (with JIT's), a lot of people will use it as a
>   Kohler> programming language.  Also an object-oriented framework
>   Kohler> could help to reuse more code.

> With JITs.  Hmm.  What is it?  As I'm condemned to write Java I would
> surely appreciate something that would make it execute faster than the
> Sun JDK stuff can do.  Just In Time Compiler?  Neat idea!

And that's where Java is going to achieve speed...

Java has a lot of things going for it, but it's still relatively new.  Over
time, I'm sure a lot more capabilities will be added to it.  I just hope that,
in that process, Java doesn't loose its platform independence.

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>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Kaempf <akaempf@sccon.com> writes:

Andreas> when i send out email my address in the from line appears as:
Andreas> Andreas Kaempf <> but should be Andreas Kaempf <akaempf@sccon.com>
Andreas> everything worked in xemacs 19.13...
Andreas> does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this...

>>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com> writes:

Wayne> I had a related problem.  My "from" line was being set to 
Wayne> wayne@muli.coryphaeus.com
Wayne> not
Wayne> wayne@coryphaeus.com

>>>>> "Julian" == Julian Gosnell <jgosnell@csfp.co.uk> writes:

Julian> Maybe this should be one for the FAQ - unless it's already in
Julian> there !

It's already there.

VM does not have a FAQ.

Gnus FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html#Q2_16

XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_2_4

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>>>>> "Bryan" == Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End <bryan@> writes:

Bryan> The following elisp doesn't work for me in xemacs 19.14:
Bryan> (defun my-find-file-other-frame (filename)
 ...

Bryan> The problem is that buffer-dedicated-frame always returns nil,
Bryan> even though (find-file-noselect filename) evaluates to a
Bryan> buffer.  Am I doing something wrong here?

Yes.  The way buffer-dedicated-frame works, it will never return
non-nil unless you have dedicated a frame to it with
set-buffer-dedicated-frame.

Examine the function get-frame-for-buffer and see if that does what
you want:

get-frame-for-buffer: (buffer &optional not-this-window-p on-frame)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
Select and return a frame in which to display BUFFER.
Normally, the buffer will simply be displayed in the current frame.
But if the symbol naming the major-mode of the buffer has a 'frame-name
property (which should be a symbol), then the buffer will be displayed in
a frame of that name.  If there is no frame of that name, then one is
created.  

If the major-mode doesn't have a 'frame-name property, then the frame
named by `get-frame-for-buffer-default-frame-name' will be used.  If
that is nil (the default) then the currently selected frame will used.

If the frame-name symbol has an 'instance-limit property (an integer)
then each time a buffer of the mode in question is displayed, a new frame
with that name will be created, until there are `instance-limit' of them.
If instance-limit is 0, then a new frame will be created each time.

If a buffer is already displayed in a frame, then `instance-limit' is 
ignored, and that frame is used.

If the frame-name symbol has a 'frame-defaults property, then that is
prepended to the `default-frame-plist' when creating a frame for the
first time.

This function may be used as the value of `pre-display-buffer-function', 
to cause the display-buffer function and its callers to exhibit the above
behavior.

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From: Fred Henle    <henle@cs.dartmouth.edu>
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>>>>> Graham Giller <ggill@morgan.com> writes:

  GG> gdb seems to be doing something slightly annoying in Xemacs ---
  GG> when I first enter the code (e.g. due to a breakpoint at main) it
  GG> reloads the source code of the program I'm editing, so I end-up
  GG> with a myfile.c<2> as well as myfile.c itself.  Being slightly
  GG> clumsy I then often end-up editing both myfile.c and myfile.c<2>
  GG> --- which causes chaos.

I think the best solution is to convince XEmacs that the two files are
the same.  You probably refer to the first one as something like

	~/myfile.c

and GDB probably finds the second one as

	/usr/users/ggill/myfile.c

I put the following in my .emacs file:

(setq directory-abbrev-alist
      (append '(("^/u/henle/" . "~/")
		("^/usr/desolation/henle/" . "~/")
		("^/a/liberty.cs/usr/desolation/henle/" . "~/"))
	      directory-abbrev-alist))

Because there are (at least these) three ways to end up at my home
directory, but I want them all to use the tilde notation.  If you do the
same (substituting your home directory for mine of course) it should
solve your problem.

By the way, is anyone else having trouble using Supercite with the new
GNUS?  I had to fake the above citation....

-- 
Fred Henle
henle@cs.dartmouth.edu
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Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

> What i mean is to write a completely new extensible editor, not using lisp, 
> but java for implementing modes etc.

Rather than take a drastic approach (total rewrite) which is unlikely to
garner much support (have you considered how many people contributed to the
libraries in Emacs over the past 10 years?), why not try something a little
less drastic that would get you a lot of benefit quickly?

1. Implement an XEmacs plug-in for Netscape.
2. Develop a Java to Elisp interface.
3. Try compiling XEmacs into XMosaic as a widget.

I think the first two would really change the Emacs and Browser landscape
because it would immediately make all the Emacs libraries available as add-on
tools to Netscape (take that Microsoft Internet Explorer!) and get all those
Java developers working on further extensions to Emacs.

The last one would close the loop and prove that #2 could also be useful in
non-Netscape cases.
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 "fred" == Fred Henle <henle@cs.dartmouth.edu> writes:

fred> By the way, is anyone else having trouble using Supercite with
fred> the new GNUS?  I had to fake the above citation....

the most obvious problem might be that the way it's hooked in has
changed.  Try this:

(setq message-cite-function 'sc-cite-original)


fyi,
Michael

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David Masterson wrote:
> 
> Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
> 
> > I seriously doubt that you will be able to write a Lisp interpreter in
> > Java that is as fast as Emacs.

Java is two things: it's a language specification, and a runtime.  One
of the interesting things about Java is that its runtime is everywhere.

If you retargetted the emacs-lisp compiler to the Java bytecode
interpreter, you could see a dramatic performance improvement.

Of course, emacs-lisp-the-language is not in itself all that
interesting; what's interesting are all the libraries that come with 
the Emacs runtime.

And the problem with those libraries is that they rely on one very big
library, the Emacs kernel: in particular, they rely on the semantics of
the display module, the buffer data structures, the particular way file
and network I/O works, and the whole event model.

> 1. An (X)Emacs plug-in for Netscape (this would probably give Netscape a big
>    leg up on Microsoft Internet Explorer!).

(Yeah right.  Nobody cares.  The emacs user base is *microscopic*
compared to the user base of web browsers in general.  For example,
Netscape, which has somewhere above 80% penetration, has less than 9%
of its users on Unix. And most of *them* don't use Emacs either.
I love Emacs, but claiming that it's of general interest is 
delusional.)

> 2. A communications interface for Emacs Lisp and Java (so that Emacs could
>    take advantage of new libraries written in Java or vice versa).
> 3. An (X)Mosaic compiled with XEmacs as a widget.  Come to think of it, could
>    Lynx be compiled with XEmacs as a widget?

Half the work is done to make a replacement for the XmText widget which
offloads editing responsibility to an external Emacs process.  Someone
should finish that, and then any Motif program could be linked such that
all editing happened with a real Emacs behind it.  (I think Ben said
that it wouldn't actually be that hard, he just hadn't gotten around to
it.)

> Java has a lot of things going for it, but it's still relatively new.  Over
> time, I'm sure a lot more capabilities will be added to it.  I just hope that,
> in that process, Java doesn't loose its platform independence.

Java has hype and money behind it, and that's something Emacs will never
have.  On that basis alone, it's the clear winner.  Even if it was a
*lot* worse than any of the alternatives, which it happens not to be. 
(Nature does not select for "elegance".)


But anyway, on the main topic of where Emacs should go with respect to
Java: one approach would be to throw it away and start from scratch,
with an extensible editor written in Java.  I think that's a *really
good* idea.  Emacs has a lot of historical baggage in it that our
rewriting on the XEmacs branch could not properly eviscerate, for
compatibility reasons (we made improvements, but the weight of history
didn't allow us to go far enough.)  I think it's time for a fresh start.

The other approach would be to retarget Emacs to the Java platform, in
order to let all applications continue to work.  The way to do this
would be to rewrite the Emacs kernel (the C code) in Java.  Blam,
instant portability.  Except that it's really likely that big chunks of
that task are outright impossible, because Emacs requires OS services
which (I assume) the Java language doesn't provide.  And it would also
likely be very slow, in the absence of a JIT.  I don't know.  But it's
certainly worth looking in to; I wouldn't dismiss it out-of-hand.  (Some
of these portability issues could be solved with native methods tailored
to each underlying OS, but once you do that, you're back almost where
you started and haven't gotten the portability win you were looking
for.)

-- 
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I have just ordered a new PC and plan to install Linux so as to run
XEmacs 19.14. The video card is the MGA Matrox Millenium, which
supposedly requires a commercial X-server.

I am considering purchasing Caldera which comes with an older,
supposedly slower version of "Accelerated X", along with Red Hat 2.0
for $99.

My other alternative is to purshase either the Red Hat or Slackware
distributions and then a copy of Accelerated X for $99.

Any experiences?

TIA


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John Turner wrote:
> 
> Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:
> 
> > By this the modeline will be used. Try to bind the find-file function to
> > the menu. If you did this I would by also very interested, because I
> > think the File Dialog is shit.
> 
> Oh now that's *really* constructive.
> 
> I don't understand why people would rather piss on something than make
> suggestions for improvements.
> 
> If you don't like it, write a better one.  Or at least say *why* you
> don't like it.

It was not the file-dialog, we were talking about! We want to talk about
the way to get it away! 

If you want to know, wy I think the file-dialog is bullshit, I can tell
you: There is abolute no need to create a small window, where nothing
fits in and to add 4 scrollbars to look though a circular porthole on a
file list, if there is a pretty nice way to use the hole emacs frame to
see the files and to navigate through the directories with the mouse.

-- bis spter...
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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed  <carroll@julia.c3.lanl.gov> writes:

    Ed> Hello,
    Ed> I have a problem with the time zone in xemacs 19.14 with vm.

    Ed> All the mail I send keep having the time in GMT. I've my environment
    Ed> variable TZ properly set up (Mountain time), display time works fine, I
    Ed> also tried to set it by hand with (set-time-zone-rule "EST") in my
    Ed> .emacs, but the mail I send keep being GMT. 

I would also like to know the answer to this question. I had the variable
TZ="my time zone" so I removed that and it started working, however when
I use VM my DATE line ends in -0400 and I'd like to change that to (EDT)
I thought that would be possible with (set-time-zone-rule "EDT") but this
doesn't work. Any idea's anyone, please.

    Ed> Thanks you very much for any help,

    Ed> Brice Rosenzweig

    Ed> PS: I am using IRIX 5.3 and a precompiled xemacs 19.14

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Jamie Zawinski wrote:
> Java is two things: it's a language specification, and a runtime.  One
> of the interesting things about Java is that its runtime is everywhere.

Precisely, it would certainly cut down on the porting issues.  And with
the bravo engine behind it, font/graphics support could be tremendous.
 
> But anyway, on the main topic of where Emacs should go with respect to
> Java: one approach would be to throw it away and start from scratch,
> with an extensible editor written in Java.  I think that's a *really
> good* idea.  Emacs has a lot of historical baggage in it that our
> rewriting on the XEmacs branch could not properly eviscerate, for
> compatibility reasons (we made improvements, but the weight of history
> didn't allow us to go far enough.)  I think it's time for a fresh 
> start.

I think that would be the best choice.  To throw it away and rewrite it
from scratch.  I've actually been thinking about this for a little while
now.  It should be made a Java Bean so that it can embed within other
programs or other java beans within the editor to expand functionality.

One problem is that not every user is going to program in java just to
customize it to their needs and if Emacs is to be rewritten it should
target more than just the programmers and techies that it currently
does. 
If only Sun or Netscape would come up with a Javascript compiler or a
Javascript interpreter written in Java or some other simple scripting
language that users can use to write simple macros and the like. i.e.
kick off their make in a separate window, etc. etc.

I would think that Sun/Javasoft would be interested in such a project
since there would be no emacs on JavaOS ... what would people use on
their PDA's?

Anyone interested in starting such a project?  :-)

Peter Wu

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From: Ed Goei <edg@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Fix for uniquify.el in 19.14 (was Re: buffers menu)
Date: 18 Jul 1996 19:53:23 -0700
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John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

> *But*, uniquify does not play nicely with Gnus 5.2 (shipped with XEmacs
> 19.14).
> 
> There is some indication that there may be a version of uniquify that doesn't
> have this problem, but no luck so far...

Here's a patch for uniquify.el that works with XEmacs 19.14 and Gnus 5.2.25
courtesy of a collegue of mine, John Cooper:

*** uniquify.el.orig	Thu Nov  9 16:05:19 1995
--- uniquify.el	Fri Jul 12 17:31:22 1996
***************
*** 116,122 ****
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (eq buffer newbuf)
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))
--- 116,122 ----
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (and newbuffile (eq buffer newbuf))
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))

-- 
Ed Goei
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From: cpm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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Subject: and suddenly...no filename completion buffer
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I *believe* filename completion was working fine in XEmacs 19.14, cuz
I use it so much -- but I also use Emacs 19.31 -- but suddenly it's
broke.  If, for instance, I type ^X^F and enter ~/.ma hit the spacebar
(or tab key), XEmacs will fill in ~/.mail, since I have the files
.mailcap and .mailrc in my root directory.  But if I hit the spacebar
again, instead of giving me a buffer with possible completions, XEmacs
rudely beeps and informs me brusquely:

	 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

I'm using the compiled binary under Solaris 2.5.  Help appreciated.
Thanks.

-chris-

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>>>>> "Ulf" == Ulf Niemeyer <niem@es-sun1.fernuni-hagen.de> writes:

Ulf> Delete the elc files of vm, re-byte-compile them and give it a
Ulf> try again.

Ulf> The problem is with only two or three of them but I don't
Ulf> remember the bad ones.

This won't work unless you rebytecompile mailcrypt as well.  The
mailcrypt .elcs in the 19.14 were not bytecompiled against the
delivered VM, or the delivered Gnus.

-- 
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>>>>> On 18 Jul 1996 16:57:24 GMT, chang@mjs1 (Jianlin Chang) said:

  Jianlin> I am in viper mode at startup, I would like to be in
  Jianlin> text-mode or indented-text-mode as default in viper mode
  Jianlin> rather than the default fundamental mode, how can I do
  Jianlin> that?

(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)

This works with and without viper.
kai
-- 
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George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu> writes:

> Using the precompiled binary for OSF1/v3.2 on a DEC Alpha (this occurs
> on machines running 3.0B and 3.2C) call-process does not return the
> correct exit code.  

This is fixed in the next release.  I'll make a new 19.14 binary kit.
The corresponding source patch will soon appear in:
  http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html

However, I don't think the patch will fix the build problem on pre-V3.2C
systems.

        Steve



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Hi

I have a number of questions some of which I have asked in 
gnus.vm.info with no response and a new one for 19.14.

One :-

I am on SUN OS 4.1.3 and have just installed 19.14 and I seem to
have lost the END button on the right numeric keypad.

I used to have it bound to 'end-of-buffer but now it is not 
recognized at all.  It used to work fine in 19.13.

Two:
Abbrev-mode.  I use abbrev mode all the time 
in VM as i mis-spill things all the time :-)  I thought the file
.abbrev-defs was loaded automatically but I have to do it by
doing read-abbrev-fil each time I go into XEmacs. What am I missing ?

And a well done to all in the XEmacs camp. It is a fantastic
piece of work and a great editor.

-- 

Kieran

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In article <31EEB597.69D8@netscape.com> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

   And the problem with those libraries is that they rely on one very big
   library, the Emacs kernel: in particular, they rely on the semantics of
   the display module, the buffer data structures, the particular way file
   and network I/O works, and the whole event model.
And that's not nearly as well capsuled as one would want it. As a
result, calc (an emacs package) will not run with any of the newer
Emacsen, as the key event structire or whatever has changed, and
obviously is not accessed via a functional interface into black-box
objects, but by tearing apart the event in what unnamed list elements
you just guess you need by hand.

A bit of encapsulation and object orientation could not do emacs harm,
particularly as such a large code base is thus liable to
continually breaking.
-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5559

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Hi

I run XEmacs on a Sun machine networked to an SGI machine. I like to use
XEmacs shell mode to rlogin to the SGI and do stuff there. This works fine
except that in changing from 19.13 to 19.14 I noticed some messages in the
minibuffer whenever I change directories on the SGI machine (which is called
"sal").

So if use cd inside shell-mode to change to:

/home/sal/work/some_directory

I'd expect ange-ftp (or some such XEmacs black magic) to synthesise 

/sal:/home/sal/work/some_directory

Shell mode happily changes directory, but I get a complaint - note the
doubled "/sal:" string. [It's difficult to grab the minibuffer so I've
typed this in]

Listing /sal:/sal:/home/sal/work/some_directory is not a directory
        ^^^^^^^^^^

Since I get the desired end result, I'm only posting this in case I've
inadvertently found a bug or if someone can give me a clue about what
I've got to set up. I've looked around, but my understanding of Lisp is
amateur level.

Karl

K. J. Wood                                    Save the BBC World Service!
Philips Research Laboratories,  Cross Oak Lane,
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Gareth Lewis wrote:
> 
> HI,
>         Question about fortran mode.  I can hit the tab key to indent

Even better, why not indent the active region, if any?
Here is what I use:

(add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook 'my-fortran-mode)

(defun my-fortran-mode ()
  "Use the default comment-region."
  (setq comment-start "cc ")
  (setq comment-end "")
  (setq fortran-comment-region "cc ")
  (define-key fortran-mode-map '(tab) 'my-mode-indent))

(defun my-mode-indent ()
  "Indent either current line or primary selection, if exists."
  (interactive "")
  (if (and (extentp primary-selection-extent)
	   (eq (current-buffer) (extent-buffer 
primary-selection-extent)))
      (indent-region (region-beginning) (region-end) nil)
    (funcall indent-line-function)))

HTH,
Thomas

-- 
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In article <woj7ms1o6fo.fsf@puma.imag.fr> Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr> writes:

[About Emacs' built-in TeX mode]

   Well I find it quite useful and I am an extensive user of tex (not
   latex or latex2e). It has less command but is much faster and easier
   to use than AucTeX.

Interesting. AucTeX is certainly fast enough for my everyday use on a
486/33MHz, and I've been using it on a 386/SX16 as well (where the
whole emacs was a bit sluggish, but AucTeX still worth the spoil).

As to easier, I could not disagree more. The installation might be a
dog, but the use is definitely *much* easier. The key combinations are
much easier to use, and typically
^C^C <RET>
does what you want, guessing most of the time right. It has no problem
compiling a file which is just an include file to a main file.

Much much more important, however, is that it indents your text
properly, both when typing and reformatting. When I do M-q, I do not
get section headers, comments or equations munched with my
text. Itemize environments look clean and obvious, and so on.

With standard TeX/LaTeX mode, the input looks as though its run
through the Emacs byte compiler. Even if you try to indent properly,
when changing things, Emacs will rewrap your work away.

Believe me, I had my brother, an absolute beginner with computers,
running plain Emacs TeX/LaTeX mode for 1-2 months (because I would
not want to overburden him with an Emacs mode too complicated), then
finally installed AucTeX for him. He was mad I did not do so before
after a very short time.

   The problem with tex-mode in XEmacs is that it is too old, at least 2
   versions behind that of Emacs. But you can take the file tex-mode.el
   of Emacs, delete any references to menus (since XEmacs don't
   understand the menu syntax of Emacs), byte-compile it and put it into
   your Xemacs lisp directory. Then your text-mode will understand
   latex2e.

   As for the menu, I have written a file "tex-mode+.el" which create a
   tex-mode menu together with tex-math menu for entering mathematical
   and Greek symbols. It also provide several convenient commands (see
   near the end of the source)

Perhaps you would contribute your working tex-mode + modifications to
the XEmacs people? As long as they are not adapting AucTeX, they can
then at least keep up-to-date with the simple TeX mode.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5559

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[Previously thread was on gnu.emacs.gnus]

Occasionally when I click button2 on a header in a summary to select
an article I get an error "Marker does not point anywhere".  I have
set debug-on-error but the backtraces do not help much.

A long dbx trace is in the followup to this message.
-- 
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Western Geophysical
pete.forman@bedford.waii.com

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Problem:
  Line number mode is on.
  In a (full frame) summary buffer, use button2 to select an article.
  Occasionally get an error "Marker does not point anywhere".

Diagnosis:
  A breakpoint on the call to error() in marker.c gave this dbx trace.
  Problem is that (XMARKER(w->pointm[CMOTION_DISP]))->buffer is NULL.
  I don't know when this ought to have been set.

Workaround:
  After starting gnus:
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (get-buffer-create "*Article*"))
    (make-local-variable 'line-number-mode)
    (line-number-mode -1))

Versions:
  19.14 XEmacs Lucid
  mips-sgi-irix6.1
  Gnus v5.2.25
  SGI compiler; most files -O except marker.c, buffer.c, extents.c,
     frame.c, redisplay.c recompiled -g.

Trace:
   0 marker_position(marker = 269934836)
    ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/marker.c":346, 0x50295c]
>  1 window_line_number(w = 0x1045dc00, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":5657, 0x5288b0]
   2 decode_mode_spec(w = 0x1045dc00, spec = 108, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":5726, 0x528b9c]
   3 generate_fstring_runes(w = 0x1045dc00, data = 0x7fff20dc,
     pos = 46, min_pos = 45, max_pos = -1, elt = 805726536, depth = 3,
     max_pixsize = 578, findex = 1, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":3831, 0x5223f8]
   4 generate_fstring_runes(w = 0x1045dc00, data = 0x7fff20dc,
     pos = 45, min_pos = 0, max_pos = -1, elt = 540444820, depth = 1,
     max_pixsize = 578, findex = 1, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":3966, 0x522a28]
   5 generate_formatted_string_db(format_str = 539908452,
     result_str = 806597776, w = 0x1045dc00, dl = 0x104db000,
     db = 0x1023daf0, findex = 1, min_pixpos = 6, max_pixpos = 584,
     type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":3575, 0x52157c]
   6 generate_modeline(w = 0x1045dc00, dl = 0x104db000, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":3535, 0x52136c]
   7 ensure_modeline_generated(w = 0x1045dc00, type = 2)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":4136, 0x5236e0]
   8 real_current_modeline_height(w = 0x1045dc00)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":4148, 0x523760]
   9 window_modeline_height(0x1016e0f4, 0x100d1be0, 0x1045dc00,
     0x100c50e0)
     ["window.c":904, 0x5a0408]
  10 window_bottom_gutter_height(0x1045dc00, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["window.c":1042, 0x5a0838]
  11 start_end_of_last_line(w = 0x1045dc00, startp = 1, end = 1)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":6519, 0x52b338]
  12 end_of_last_line(w = 0x1045dc00, startp = 1)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":6608, 0x52b888]
  13 pixel_to_glyph_translation(f = 0x103ed100, x_coord = 255, y_coord
     = 371, col = 0x7fff248c, row = 0x7fff2488, obj_x = 0x7fff2484,
     obj_y = 0x7fff2480, w = 0x7fff247c, bufpos = 0x7fff2478, closest
     = 0x7fff2474, modeline_closest = 0x7fff2470, obj1 = 0x7fff246c,
     obj2 = 0x7fff2468)
     ["/usr2/local/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay.c":7693, 0x52fb68]
  14 event_pixel_translation(0x105e7abc, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0)
     ["events.c":1423, 0x4894e8]
  15 Fevent_window(0x1016e0f4, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["events.c":1571, 0x489bfc]
  16 get_relevant_keymaps(0x1016e0f4, 0x64, 0x7fff2590, 0x1)
     ["keymap.c":2336, 0x4f05ec]
  17 event_binding(0x105e7abc, 0x1, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["keymap.c":2617, 0x4f11c4]
  18 command_builder_find_leaf_1(0x1016e0f4, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["event-stream.c":2870, 0x490bc8]
  19 command_builder_find_leaf(0x10145ec0, 0x1, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["event-stream.c":3000, 0x491044]
  20 lookup_command_event(0x10145ec0, 0x10419160, 0x1, 0x100c50e0)
     ["event-stream.c":3365, 0x491d08]
  21 Fdispatch_event(0x10419160, 0x2, 0x10419160, 0x101a3d00)
     ["event-stream.c":3648, 0x4927b0]
  22 Fcommand_loop_1(0x1016e0f4, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["cmdloop.c":542, 0x4584a4]
  23 command_loop_1(0x10102004, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["cmdloop.c":462, 0x458184]
  24 condition_case_1(0x10102064, 0x458138, 0x10102004, 0x457740)
     ["eval.c":1672, 0x47b8d8]
  25 command_loop_3(0x1016e0f4, 0x2, 0x10102004, 0x100c50e0)
     ["cmdloop.c":224, 0x45792c]
  26 command_loop_2(0x10102004, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["cmdloop.c":235, 0x4579a0]
  27 internal_catch(0x10114da4, 0x457980, 0x10102004, 0x0)
     ["eval.c":1347, 0x47b298]
  28 initial_command_loop(0x1016e0f4, 0x2, 0x2, 0x100c50e0)
     ["cmdloop.c":273, 0x457c5c]
  29 main_1(0x1, 0x7fff2f24, 0x7fff2f2c, 0x100c50e0)
     ["emacs.c":1317, 0x477540]
  30 main(0x1016e0f4, 0x7fff2f24, 0x7fff2f2c, 0x0)
     ["emacs.c":1461, 0x477aa4]
  31 __istart()
     ["crt1tinit.s":13, 0x438afc]

(dbx) p *w
struct window {
    header = struct lcrecord_header {
        lheader = struct lrecord_header {
            implementation = 0x100c69d0
        }
        next = 0x1045de00
        uid = 6118
        free = 0
    }
    frame = 272552192
    mini_p = 269492228
    next = 269492228
    prev = 272613376
    hchild = 269492228
    vchild = 269492228
    parent = 273014272
    pixel_left = 4
    pixel_top = 197
    pixel_height = 496
    pixel_width = 582
    buffer = 269695488
    start = {
        [0] 269934716
        [1] 269934788
        [2] 269934812
    }
    pointm = {
        [0] 269934764
        [1] 269934860
        [2] 269934836
    }
    sb_point = 269686756
    hscroll = 0
    use_time = 619
    last_modified = {
        [0] 0
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
    }
    last_point = {
        [0] 269686732
        [1] 269686708
        [2] 269686684
    }
    last_start = {
        [0] 269686660
        [1] 269686636
        [2] 269686612
    }
    last_facechange = {
        [0] 0
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
    }
    face_cachels = 0x105c2760
    glyph_cachels = 0x105c27c0
    line_start_cache = 0x105c2720
    line_cache_last_updated = 0
    line_cache_validation_override = 0
    max_line_len = 0
    last_point_x = {
        [0] 0
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
    }
    last_point_y = {
        [0] 0
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
    }
    window_end_pos = {
        [0] 0
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
    }
    dedicated = 269492228
    redisplay_end_trigger = 269492228
    last_redisplay_pos = 0
    display_table = 269492228
    modeline_shadow_thickness = 2
    has_modeline_p = 269492252
    scrollbar_width = 15
    scrollbar_height = 15
    scrollbar_pointer = 270712512
    toolbar = {
        [0] 539125836
        [1] 269492228
        [2] 269492228
        [3] 269492228
    }
    toolbar_size = {
        [0] 37
        [1] 0
        [2] 0
        [3] 0
    }
    toolbar_visible_p = {
        [0] 269492252
        [1] 269492252
        [2] 269492252
        [3] 269492252
    }
    toolbar_buttons_captioned_p = 269492252
    default_toolbar = 539125836
    default_toolbar_width = 40
    default_toolbar_height = 37
    default_toolbar_visible_p = 269492252
    left_margin_width = 0
    right_margin_width = 0
    minimum_line_ascent = 0
    minimum_line_descent = 0
    use_left_overflow = 269492228
    use_right_overflow = 269492228
    menubar_visible_p = 269492252
    text_cursor_visible_p = 269492252
    config_mark = 0
    dead = 0
    force_start = 1
    redo_modeline = 1
    start_at_line_beg = 0
    windows_changed = 1
    shadow_thickness_changed = 1
} 

-- 
Pete Forman
Western Geophysical
pete.forman@bedford.waii.com

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David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> And that's not nearly as well capsuled as one would want it. As a
> result, calc (an emacs package) will not run with any of the newer
> Emacsen, as the key event structire or whatever has changed, and
> obviously is not accessed via a functional interface into black-box
> objects, but by tearing apart the event in what unnamed list elements
> you just guess you need by hand.
> 
> A bit of encapsulation and object orientation could not do emacs harm,
> particularly as such a large code base is thus liable to
> continually breaking.

But ironically, that's exactly what *caused* the problem Calc has!

The old event model was the one with no functional interface; Lucid
Emacs added a functional interface onto that event model, at the cost 
of backward compatibility with really complex programs like Calc.

This type of evolution (the replacement of 1970s-style non-structured
data and the adding of layers of abstraction) was, in fact, a large 
part of the many irreconcilable differences that caused the
FSFmacs-vs-Lemacs/XEmacs split.

-- 
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:
> 
> Does Calc work with XEmacs?  It failed on the compile for me (looks
> like a keymap problem).
> 
> Thanks for any info.

I had 2.02, and it didn't work.  Calc 2.02d seems to work fine.

-- 
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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One of the users at our site has experienced a problem with the XEmacs
19.14 that did not exist in 19.13.

The problem is that XEmacs does not seem to respect his rebinding of
the Num_Lock key.

In his X startup scripts he executes a line like:

	xmodmap -e "keycode 105 = F24 Num_Lock"

Which changes keycode 105 (the Num_Lock key on our Sun keyboards) to
be F24 unshifted and Num_Lock (if shifted).  In XEmacs 19.13, this
worked just fine, allowing the Num_Lock key to be used as part of a
TPU/EDT keypad.  Unfortunately under XEmacs 19.14, this no longer
works (it just turns num lock on and off as if the xmodmap had never
been done).

I took a quick look at the FAQs and the NEWS file but was unable find
anything that mentioned changes in the handling of the Num_Lock key.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:

> 
> John Turner wrote:
> > 
> > Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> writes:
> > 
> > > By this the modeline will be used. Try to bind the find-file function to
> > > the menu. If you did this I would by also very interested, because I
> > > think the File Dialog is shit.
> > 
> > Oh now that's *really* constructive.

I posted some detailed criticism of the dialog box recently. As usual
it disappeared into the void without acknowledgement.

Anyway I finally tracked the bugger down in minibuf.el. You can
turn it off by putting the following hacked code into your .emacs:

(defun read-file-name-1 (history prompt dir default 
				 must-match initial-contents
				 completer)
    (let ((rfhookfun
	   (lambda ()
	     (set
	      (make-local-variable
	       'completion-display-completion-list-function)
	      #'(lambda (completions)
		  (display-completion-list
		   completions
		   :user-data (not (eq completer 'read-file-name-internal))
		   :activate-callback
		   'read-file-name-activate-callback)))
	     ;; kludge!
	     (remove-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook rfhookfun)
	     )))
      (unwind-protect
	  (progn
	    (add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook rfhookfun)
	    (read-file-name-2 history prompt dir default must-match
			      initial-contents completer))
	(remove-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook rfhookfun))))



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In-reply-to: Your message of "19 Jul 1996 08:39:52 EDT."
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    Jonathan> I posted some detailed criticism of the dialog box
    Jonathan> recently. As usual it disappeared into the void without
    Jonathan> acknowledgement.

Just because you don't see a response doesn't mean that it has
disappeared into a void.  XEmacs popularity grows with every release.
It passed the point where I could respond to everything sometime ago.
For the 19.14 release alone I have 900 messages to go through which
are only those I have decided I really do need to look at.  There are
twice as many which I have already dealt with or which were answered
by others.


			-Chuck

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In article <qcw3f2oif1b.fsf@aud.alcatel.com> lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:

   lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:
   > 
   > Does Calc work with XEmacs?  It failed on the compile for me (looks
   > like a keymap problem).
   > 
   > Thanks for any info.

   I had 2.02, and it didn't work.  Calc 2.02d seems to work fine.

The prefix keys (H and K and so) don't work properly with XEmacs
19.14. They won't with Emacs 19.30, either, btw.
-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570
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In article <31EF5C01.59E2@netscape.com> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

   David Kastrup wrote:
   > 
   > And that's not nearly as well capsuled as one would want it. As a
   > result, calc (an emacs package) will not run with any of the newer
   > Emacsen, as the key event structire or whatever has changed, and
   > obviously is not accessed via a functional interface into black-box
   > objects, but by tearing apart the event in what unnamed list elements
   > you just guess you need by hand.
   > 
   > A bit of encapsulation and object orientation could not do emacs harm,
   > particularly as such a large code base is thus liable to
   > continually breaking.

   But ironically, that's exactly what *caused* the problem Calc has!

   The old event model was the one with no functional interface; Lucid
   Emacs added a functional interface onto that event model, at the cost 
   of backward compatibility with really complex programs like Calc.

That explains why calc does not work under XEmacs, but not why it will
not work for Emacs 19.30.

   This type of evolution (the replacement of 1970s-style non-structured
   data and the adding of layers of abstraction) was, in fact, a large 
   part of the many irreconcilable differences that caused the
   FSFmacs-vs-Lemacs/XEmacs split.

Well, if I understand this right, if you make calc function again
properly, it will keep working under future versions of XEmacs, but
can break anytime again under GNU Emacs.

I still maintain that encapsulation and blck-box interfaces are a good
thing.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570
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From: Lung-Yung Chu <chu@brc.uconn.edu>
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Subject: Q: How to highlight the "++", "--", "==" ... for C or C++
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Hi:
	Can someone tell me how to highlight these operators in 19.14?

	With the "==" be hightlighted, the following code will be very
	easy to find the problem.

	if ( count = 0 )
	{
		do something ...
	}

Thanks

Lung-Yung Chu

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Chuck Thompson writes:
> Just because you don't see a response doesn't mean that it has
> disappeared into a void.  XEmacs popularity grows with every release.
> It passed the point where I could respond to everything sometime ago.
> For the 19.14 release alone I have 900 messages to go through which
> are only those I have decided I really do need to look at.  There are
> twice as many which I have already dealt with or which were answered
> by others.

OK sorry. I am sure you are swamped. If you are essentially
single-handedly supporting Xemacs then you have my admiration.

I find that the ratio of helpers to helped seems very low on
comp.emacs.xemacs, at least compared to the other technical groups I
frequent. Most questions I post never get followed up on. I try to
help out where I can. But after making a big personal commitment to
Xemacs I am disturbed that there is not more of a "community" here.

Keep up the good work nevertheless and let me know if I can help.

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Here's want I want to do:
 
- Mark a region in a buffer
- Turn the text in the region into red color
- Save the buffer into a file
- Kill the buffer
- Open the file again
- See the red text 

I have tried it already with extents and fonts - result:
The text is red, but not after reloading it... :-(

Anybody out there with a useful hint?

Thanks,

Peter.

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http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu/

I can correctly execute XEmacs on the console display of my IBM 590 (RS6000)
with AIX 4.1.4 version of the bos.
But the following appends when I trie to execute XEmacs on an X terminal :
"core dumped ..."

The value of my DISPLAY variable is then : sqit1:0
This value is instanced in the system file "/etc/hosts" :
IP@	sqit1	SQIT1

If I set the DISPLAY to IP@:0, it does work!

(I can execute other graphics softwares without changing the DISPLAY value)

Why isn't XEmacs able to get the right value of my Tx IP address using
/etc/hosts ????



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Subject: Backspace in minibuffer


When I try to type a command in minibuffer in 
xemacs 19-14 and use backspace to edit it I got
a message "End of buffer"...
In 19.13 it worked...

Can somebody explain me why it's so?

Regards Yevgeny...

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From: Russ Mestechkin <russ.mestechkin@analog.com>
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Subject: Delete-matching-line
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Hi everybody,

A beginner's question:

I would like to delete matching lines in a file (buffer), or more
specificaly those lines that contain regular expressions contained
in another file (buffer).
Let me try it again: I have a file with a list of names (List) and
another file from which I want to delete all the lines containing
any names from the first List.
How do I do this?

Thanks,

Russ

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From: Steve Burgett <burgett@lhotse.eecs.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 BUG REPORT: etags.el
Date: 19 Jul 1996 14:05:18 -0700
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emacs-version
"19.14 XEmacs Lucid"

SYMPTOM:

    `find-tag' cannot be used with completion.

    add-to-tag-completion-table looses when TAGS file contains
    `include' lines at the end (created with the -i option to etags).
    Building a new completion table from such a TAGS file aborts with
    the error "Bad TAGS file".


PROBLEM:

    The problem is in the function `add-to-tag-completion-table'.  The
    outer `while' loop conditional is

       (while (looking-at tags-file-pattern)

    which does not match `include' lines.  These have the form

       ^L
       ../classlib/TAGS,include

    Thus, the loop terminates before end of file.  A test at the end of
    add-to-tag-completion-table signals an error if (eobp) is not true.


My own solution is to simply comment out the line 

    (or (eobp) (error "Bad TAGS file"))

near the end of `add-to-tag-completion-table'.  Hopefully the
maintainers can do something a little more elegant.

Steve

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From: Steve Burgett <burgett@lhotse.eecs.berkeley.edu>
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Russ Mestechkin <russ.mestechkin@analog.com> writes:

  egrep -v -f List otherfile 

> A beginner's question:
> 
> I would like to delete matching lines in a file (buffer), or more
> specificaly those lines that contain regular expressions contained
> in another file (buffer).
> Let me try it again: I have a file with a list of names (List) and
> another file from which I want to delete all the lines containing
> any names from the first List.
> How do I do this?

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From: Steve Burgett <burgett@lhotse.eecs.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: Re: FSF emacs mouse-sel in xemacs
Date: 19 Jul 1996 15:22:26 -0700
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duhrenho@sanders.com (David Uhrenholdt) writes:

> Is there a way to use FSF mouse-sel mode in xemacs,
> or is there a way to simulate it's behavior in
> xemacs?  The two things that it provides that
> I like and I don't see in the standard xemacs
> are:
> 1) The selection stays active until it is moved
> to someplace else.
> 
> 2) It uses thing-a-point to selection an object.

The answer to (1) is to use the menu Options/Editing Options/Active
regions to turn off active regions.  (OR (setq zmacs-regions nil) in
your .emacs)


Otherwise I'd like to second the call for some of the FSF mouse
functionality.  I find FSF's mouse behavior to be outstanding in terms
of how fast I can do cut and paste edits.

To add to David's list:

3) The top of the kill ring is made to appear to be the same thing as
   the X selection.  I can for example, copy some text from an xterm
   with the mouse, then paste into Emacs at point with C-y. 

4) `mouse-save-then-kill' (mouse-3) is the greatest thing since sliced
   bread.  I can do cut, copy, and paste with only the mouse buttons.
   No keyboard required!

Overall I like XEmacs best, but it sure would be nice to have some of
the FSF-style mouse bindings.

Steve

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Subject: Re: Help! How to see which line I'm editing?
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That's true, Eric, but he specifically stated that he uses version
19.11, and that doesn't work in 19.11.  For 19.11 you need to use what
I posted earlier.

-- Gary F.




"Eric D. Berg" <eberg@sybase.com> writes:

> 
> Put this in your .emacs file:
> 
> (display-column-mode)
> 
> That gives you the line and column in "line/col" format on your status bar.
> 
> -Eric.
> 
> 
> Mats Jansson writes:
>  > I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't found any info in the docs. If you know how to do please reply here or e-mail me.


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Is there a copy-rectangle function somewhere?  I am running 19.13,
and it bugs me that I can't copy a rectangle without having to
specify a register.  This bothers me.  Has anyone written a
copy-rectangle or copy-rectangle-as-kill function?

TIA
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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.IntraNet.com> writes:
>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Thompson <cthomp@XEmacs.org> writes:

Chuck> Just because you don't see a response doesn't mean that it has
Chuck> disappeared into a void.  XEmacs popularity grows with every
Chuck> release.  It passed the point where I could respond to
Chuck> everything sometime ago.  For the 19.14 release alone I have
Chuck> 900 messages to go through which are only those I have decided
Chuck> I really do need to look at.  There are twice as many which I
Chuck> have already dealt with or which were answered by others.

Jonathan> OK sorry. I am sure you are swamped. If you are essentially
Jonathan> single-handedly supporting Xemacs then you have my
Jonathan> admiration.

Chuck did an amazing amount of work to get 19.14 released, and an even
more amazing amount of visible Usenet support the first two weeks
after release.

Jonathan> I find that the ratio of helpers to helped seems very low on
Jonathan> comp.emacs.xemacs, at least compared to the other technical
Jonathan> groups I frequent.

I've noticed that too.  As a comparison there is a huge amount of Gnus
support relatively, given the number of users of the respective
packages.

Jonathon> Most questions I post never get followed up on.

See bottom.

Jonathon> I try to help out where I can. But after making a big
Jonathan> personal commitment to Xemacs I am disturbed that there is
Jonathan> not more of a "community" here.

I attribute this primarily to newness, and a comparison against RMS
Emacs.  The Emacs community is a wonderful thing compared to any
other software/computer group I've experienced.  The nice thing about
RMS Emacs is that there are so many `old hands' around willing to help
out.  I've personally used GNU Emacs for over 8 years now, but my 1
year anniversary with XEmacs won't be until next month.

Don't let this stop you, Jonathon, from continuing to pursue XEmacs.

Jonathan> Keep up the good work nevertheless and let me know if I can
Jonathan> help.

Lead by example.  Get into the Beta test program if you have the
inclination and the disk space.  Don't stop answering questions you
can, in any event.

P.S.  Please spell it `XEmacs'.

Subject:      Build failure GCC 2.7.2 AIX 4.1.4
From:         edwards@blight.intranet.com
Date:         1996/02/04
Message-Id:   <EDWARDS.96Feb3232323@blight.intranet.com>
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> I can not build Xemacs with GCC 2.7.2 on AIX 4.1.4.

I don't know, and I don't have access to an AIX system to test why
this is failing.


Subject:      19.14: mouse-highlighting slowdown
From:         Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com>
Date:         1996/06/25
Message-Id:   <ueafxrpbyx.fsf@blight.IntraNet.com>
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.
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> Mouse highlighting has gotten way slower, to the point of being
> annoying. This is most noticeable if you fill a frame with
> mouse-highlightable regions, by doing a big hyper-apropos, say. The
> highlight trails the mouse very noticeably and jerkily. Even worse,
> this seems to slow down all X-events: xemacs can't keep up with fast
> typing in the scratch buffer if there is a frame visible with a lot
> of highlightable regions, even though the mouse is not moving. None
> of this is a problem on 19.13: mouse highlighting is perceptually
> instantaneous under the same scenarios.

I investigated this one when I first saw it posted, but totally failed
to duplicate your results.  In particular I always have a running copy
of Gnus on XEmacs around, which does have a lot of highlightable
regions in the display.  I suspect (like many of the slowness problems
that have been reported so far) that this is some minor mode
interaction like lazy-lock, but you didn't specify which minor modes,
etc. you're using.

Subject:      Re: compilation hangs for 29 seconds
From:         Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com>
Date:         1996/07/04
Message-Id:   <uezq5g9n3h.fsf@blight.IntraNet.com>
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Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com> writes:
                     
>> edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:
     
>> About 50% of the time when I run a compile it hangs at the end for
>> exactly 29 seconds before reporting "compilation
>> finished". Obviously a timeout.

> Further info:

> Any mouse or keyboard event terminates the hang condition
> immediately.

> Setting process-connection-type to nil (forcing use of pipes instead
> of pty's) eliminates the problem. Is there any reason to prefer
> pty's?

I don't know.


Subject:      newline in autofill mode
From:         Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com>
Date:         1996/07/12
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> No matter how hard I try I can't break the habit of hitting RETURN
> at the end of the line when in auto-fill mode. Perhaps because I
> still have to do that in C-mode. The result is bad: one word gets
> wrapped to the next line and then I get put on a blank line after
> that.

There are various bugs left in auto-fill and filladapt that would be
nice to have fixed.

> I would like to try to fix this so that the RETURN key gets
> converted to a space when autofill decides to wrap. That seems
> eminently sensible behaviour. But I can't find where autofill is
> implemented in order to change it. Can anyone point me in the right
> direction?

prim/simple.el
prim/fill.el
prim/filladapt.el

A command of the form `grep def.*auto-fill-mode */*.el' in the XEmacs
lisp directory is what I use when I need to find a function.


Regards,
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Scheytt <d022522@hw1172.wdf.sap-ag.de> writes:

Peter> Here's want I want to do:
Peter> - Mark a region in a buffer
Peter> - Turn the text in the region into red color
Peter> - Save the buffer into a file
Peter> - Kill the buffer
Peter> - Open the file again
Peter> - See the red text 

Peter> I have tried it already with extents and fonts - result:
Peter> The text is red, but not after reloading it... :-(

Peter> Anybody out there with a useful hint?

You won't be able to do this with a basic text file.  I suppose it
may be easier in XEmacs 20.0/mule with multibyte characters, if you
defined your own special character set.

The best thing you can do is to save the coloring information in an
adjuct file like font-lock does.  See packages/fast-lock.el for more
information.

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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:

Chris> I *believe* filename completion was working fine in XEmacs
Chris> 19.14, cuz I use it so much -- but I also use Emacs 19.31 --
Chris> but suddenly it's broke.  If, for instance, I type ^X^F and
Chris> enter ~/.ma hit the spacebar (or tab key), XEmacs will fill in
Chris> ~/.mail, since I have the files .mailcap and .mailrc in my root
Chris> directory.  But if I hit the spacebar again, instead of giving
Chris> me a buffer with possible completions, XEmacs rudely beeps and
Chris> informs me brusquely:

Chris> 	 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

Chris> I'm using the compiled binary under Solaris 2.5.  Help appreciated.
Chris> Thanks.

Hmmm.  This probably needs to go into the FAQ.  hkey-help-show is
defined in hyperbole which you must be partially loading.  Try adding
(require 'hmouse-drv)
where you load hyperbole and see if the problem goes away.

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I'm using version 19.14 of xemacs.
I installed the whole package (common code and UNIX 4.1.3).
I use the sample.emacs as my .emacs but when I run the program
I do not get any colors for highlighting my code in any of the
modes (lisp, C, etc...). Other aspects of font-lock seem to work.
I get italics bold face, etc... BUT NO COLOR!
However, if I choose edit faces from the options menu, the font
specs appear in color. 
Thanks in advance,
Mika

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David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> That explains why calc does not work under XEmacs, but not why it will
> not work for Emacs 19.30.

True.  I've been completely out of touch with what's going on on the FSF
branch of the emacs tree for two years now; perhaps they finally saw the
light and abstracted the event model like we did years before (it
wouldn't be the first time.)

> Well, if I understand this right, if you make calc function again
> properly, it will keep working under future versions of XEmacs,

That was the plan.

> but can break anytime again under GNU Emacs.

I can't comment there.

> I still maintain that encapsulation and blck-box interfaces are a good
> thing.

Me too.  That's why XEmacs does what it does.  I was just pointing out
that adding abstraction often means removing backward-compatibility.

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> 
> I think that would be the best choice.  To throw it away and rewrite it
> from scratch.  I've actually been thinking about this for a little while
> now.  It should be made a Java Bean so that it can embed within other
> programs or other java beans within the editor to expand functionality.
> 

I agree. emacs is more than 10 years old. It was build for 'every hardware' which 
may not exist any more, event for the keyboard without ESC. Just like one size
cloth, it is good for  every one, it does not fit anyone. 
Now, almost on 'sacritory' will use emacs. We need some thing for programmers.
The best editor for programmer is brief which was bought by Borland. I asked
Borland and some one replyed to me: the Latte will have a brief like editor, but
there is no plant to issue a stand alone version.

Some one should come forward to organize to write it. I am voluter to do some of
the work. I already did some analysis. The only think that I do not know is that
I do not know how to get cusor's position and set curson's position. I did not
find any such fuctions in AWT.

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[David Kastrup] (to Jamie Zawinski)

|   Well, if I understand this right, if you make calc function again
|   properly, it will keep working under future versions of XEmacs, but can
|   break anytime again under GNU Emacs.
|   
|   I still maintain that encapsulation and blck-box interfaces are a good
|   thing.

it is a persistent myth that encapsulation and black-box interfaces have to
be implemented by somebody else and always have to be done at some "lower"
level.  whether a keymap is a list where the first member is `keymap' and
some other contents or a built-in type affects mainly who can peek at the
code and understand it.  this, in turn, means that naughty programmers,
those who want to gain access to private parts at the wrong times, may
write bad code in the open implementation and will have a harder time doing
so in the closed implementation.  I'm not sure this is a valid argument
against open implementations.  good programmers can encapsulate at any
level of the code.  even better programmers also know when it is a bad idea
to encapsulate too much.  in the current "object-oriented" craze, it seems
that this wisdom somehow got lost.

case in point: nothing whatsoever inhibits an Emacs Lisp programmer from
constructing his own macros or functions that will insulate the rest of his
code from implementation specifics if he does not like them.  if someone
does make a good job of it, it may even end up in Emacs itself.  this has
happened before, time and again.

please don't believe everything the XEmacs people tell you about RMS and
Emacs, especially not how smart they are and how dumb he is -- it's a ploy
that some people need to engage in after they got very angry with him.  be
smart and check the facts before you decide what to believe.  at the very
least, do not make further assumptions from unchecked beliefs.

XEmacs has done many smart things.  one of these things that I'm looking
into _at the request of RMS_ is real hash tables.  Emacs has gained several
new datatypes in the more recent versions, including char-table, some of
which are clearly learned from XEmacs.  XEmacs tries to learn from Emacs,
too, except they call it "sync'ed up with" and stay far behind schedule.

if everything the XEmacs people told you were true, Emacs 19.32 would be
very different from what it is.  it's time for the XEmacs folks to update
their FAQs a bit, at the very least.  it's quite annoying to read as it
stands when you know what they are talking about much better than they do.

incidentally, Lisp is a programmable programming language.  some tend to
think that they can do only what the first order of implementation lets
them do (i.e., using predefined functions).  this is programming in a
language C in some other language.  unfortunately, Emacs Lisp is a lot less
programmable than most other modern Lisps (mostly due to the lack of
ability to define new types (defstruct and defclass) and lexical scope),
but the _solution_ is most emphatically _not_ to implement several more
built-in types and hype them as "abstract data types".  that is only
marketing, and marketing never solves any technical problems.

I had hoped to see an Emacs 20 that could learn from the past successes,
but there seems to be too many egos (note: plural) in the way to get there.
this is really sad.  we don't need Emacs 19, XEmacs 19, XEmacs 20,
Emacs-in-Java, Emacs-on-Guile or whatever.  a fragmented developer base is
not productive.  perhaps the best thing about commercial software is that
it costs so much to break up developer groups that people have an incentive
to stay together and compromise a little more than they do when free to
roam the solution space.

#\Erik

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-next-nextstep3) of Sun Jul  7 1996 on nysalor

If %P (percent of buffer above bottom of window) is used in the
modeline, then redisplaying an empty buffer (for example, start up
XEmacs, switch from *scratch* to some other buffer, switch back) often
causes a crash for me.  Apparently, in redisplay.c:decode_mode_spec,
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exception when dividing by total on line 5850.  I am not familiar with
this code, but the values I see in BUF_Z(b) look suspicious when
crashes occur (BUF_Z(b) is approximately -1000 or so).

This problem did not occur in 19.13.  Also, %p in the modeline seems
to work just fine.

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"Kieran P. Daly" <dalyk@cork.cig.mot.com> writes:

> I have a number of questions some of which I have asked in 
> gnus.vm.info with no response and a new one for 19.14.
> 
> One :-
> 
> I am on SUN OS 4.1.3 and have just installed 19.14 and I seem to
> have lost the END button on the right numeric keypad.
> 
> I used to have it bound to 'end-of-buffer but now it is not 
> recognized at all.  It used to work fine in 19.13.

If you do C-h c <kp_end>
what does emacs think the name of the key is?

It ought to be either `end' or `kp_end', although it might be r31 or
some such.

You can then bind that.
-- 
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> 4) `mouse-save-then-kill' (mouse-3) is the greatest thing since sliced
>    bread.

Try this (although I don't like sliced bread :-)

;; adapted from the FAQ
(defun mouse-track-adjust-kill (event count)
  (if (and (eq count 2)
           (eq 'mouse-track-adjust
               (key-binding
                (append (event-modifiers event)
                        (list (intern (format "button%d"
                                              (event-button event))))))))
      (progn (kill-region (point) (mark))
             t)))                       ; don't do the normal operations.

(add-hook 'mouse-track-click-hook 'mouse-track-adjust-kill)

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[XEmacs 19.14 has arrived.  Marker doesn't point anywhere is a
bug in line-number-mode not Gnus.  If you have a misconfigured site,
`so-shoot-me' see Q2.16.  -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 5 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

   Added a question regarding the Sender: header. Added a question about
   specifying where to find News, added a question about setting the
   From: line.
   
   This file was last modified on July 14, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version?
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?
          + Q1.5 I get weird messages when running under XEmacs 19.13.
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server? [New!]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.1 Custom doesn't work under XEmacs
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line? [New!]
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line? [New!]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible?
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus?

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.37. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.26 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Plans for the next version are already underway. It has been codenamed
   Red Gnus, and will have a version number of 5.4 & 5.5 when released.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or <URL:
   ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also fetch
   it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:gopher://gopher.pilgrim.umass.edu/11/pub/misc/ding/>, or
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need?

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.13 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?

   Upgrade to XEmacs 19.13. In earlier versions of XEmacs this file was
   placed with Gnus 4.1.3, but that has been corrected.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.5 When I run Gnus on XEmacs 19.13 I get weird error messages.

   You're running an old version of Gnus. Upgrade to at least version
   5.0.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL: mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?

   The basic answer is to byte-compile under XEmacs, and then you can run
   under either Emacsen. There is, however, a potential version problem
   with easymenu.el with Gnu Emacs prior to 19.29.
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes :
   The internal easymenu.el interface changed between 19.28 and 19.29 in
   order to make it possible to create byte compiled files that can be
   shared between Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. The change is upward compatible,
   but not downward compatible. This gives the following compatibility
   table:

Compiled with:  | Can be used with:
----------------+--------------------------------------
19.28           | 19.28         19.29
19.29           |               19.29           XEmacs
XEmacs          |               19.29           XEmacs

   If you have Gnu Emacs 19.28 or earlier, or XEmacs 19.12 or earlier,
   get a recent version of auc-menu.el from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/pub/emacs-lisp/auc-menu.el> and install it
   under the name easymenu.el somewhere early in your load path.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is now mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL: http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are four mirrors in the United States:
   <URL: http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL: http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/manual/gnus_toc.html>
   <URL: http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL: ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/refcard/>. In the
   United States. And
   <URL: http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL: ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL: ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work

   Is Gnus in your load-path?
   
   Patrick LoPresti <patl@lcs.mit.edu > writes :
   Note that this is not a bug in either Gnus or Mailcrypt; you cannot
   expect any file to byte-compile correctly if required packages are not
   in your load path. (Or, worse, if a completely different version of
   the package is in the load path at compile-time than at run-time.)
   
   Moreover, this need is documented in the Mailcrypt INSTALL file, so
   the problem is really just a failure to follow directions...
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL: http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL: ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL: ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan), and
   <URL: ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA).
   
   Be sure to apply the supplied patch. It works with Gnus through
   version 5.0.15 and September Gnus. In order for all dependencies to
   work correctly the load sequence is as follows:

  (load "tm-setup")
  (load "gnus")
  (load "mime-compose")

   In September Gnus, gnus-setup.el automates this task, and there is no
   special patch to apply.
   
   Caveat Emptor: Loading the package disables citation highlighting by
   default. To get the old behavior back, use the M-t command.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL: http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its
   own FAQ at <URL: http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL: ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?

   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1 Custom Edit does not work under XEmacs

   Please upgrade to Gnus 5.2, where it does work.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Do you call define-key or something like that in one of the summary
   mode hooks? This would force Emacs to recalculate the keyboard
   shortcuts.
   
   Removing the call should speed up M-x gnus-summary-mode RET by a
   couple of orders of magnitude. You can use

        (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map KEY COMMAND)

   in your .gnus instead.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:
   http://baugi.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL: mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web: <URL:
       http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus-bbdb.el>.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potorti` <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes: Just use C-u SPC or C-u
   RET for entering the group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Ok. I'll be adding a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable
   to match groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there
   are unread articles in the groups or not. I'll also be adding a
   visible group parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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>>>>> "JG" == Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com> writes:


    JG> I have just ordered a new PC and plan to install Linux so as to run
    JG> XEmacs 19.14. The video card is the MGA Matrox Millenium, which
    JG> supposedly requires a commercial X-server.

    JG> I am considering purchasing Caldera which comes with an older,
    JG> supposedly slower version of "Accelerated X", along with Red Hat 2.0
    JG> for $99.

    JG> My other alternative is to purshase either the Red Hat or Slackware
    JG> distributions and then a copy of Accelerated X for $99.

Your option with Red Hat is a MetroX server that is included free with
their distribution. Haven't used it but have heard pro's and con's
about both these X servers, in my opinion, right now XFree86 is your best
bet however does not support your video card, sorry.

    JG> Any experiences?

    JG> TIA


    JG> -- 
    JG> Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
    JG> email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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In article <m2zq4w2vc0.fsf@mol.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>That explains why calc does not work under XEmacs, but not why it will
>not work for Emacs 19.30.

Calc DOES work for Emacs 19.30.  There was a bug in the emacs lisp compiler
which caused a problem when compiling calc, but someone posted a workaround
which allowed calc to be compiled with the broken emacs lisp compiler.

The Emacs lisp compiler was fixed in 19.31 so the workaround is no longer
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
:
: >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:
: 
: Chris> I *believe* filename completion was working fine in XEmacs
: Chris> 19.14, cuz I use it so much -- but I also use Emacs 19.31 --
: Chris> but suddenly it's broke.  If, for instance, I type ^X^F and
: Chris> enter ~/.ma hit the spacebar (or tab key), XEmacs will fill in
: Chris> ~/.mail, since I have the files .mailcap and .mailrc in my root
: Chris> directory.  But if I hit the spacebar again, instead of giving
: Chris> me a buffer with possible completions, XEmacs rudely beeps and
: Chris> informs me brusquely:
: 
: Chris> 	 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show
: 
: Chris> I'm using the compiled binary under Solaris 2.5.  Help appreciated.
: Chris> Thanks.
: 
: Hmmm.  This probably needs to go into the FAQ.  hkey-help-show is
: defined in hyperbole which you must be partially loading.  Try adding
: (require 'hmouse-drv)
: where you load hyperbole and see if the problem goes away.

Yes, that does indeed do the trick -- odd thing is, I had commented
out all of the hyperbole stuff and was no longer loading it, unless
there's some line in a load file out there somewhere I've missed...

Thanks once again.

-chris-

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:

[...]
    Erik> the closed implementation.  I'm not sure this is a valid
    Erik> argument against open implementations.  good programmers can
    Erik> encapsulate at any level of the code.  even better
    Erik> programmers also know when it is a bad idea to encapsulate
    Erik> too much.  in the current "object-oriented" craze, it seems
    Erik> that this wisdom somehow got lost.

I may be worng, but I think that if the base substatum of a program is
well encapsulated, it prevents bad programming. Specifically, if the
low-level stuff is encapsulated so that there is no access to
internals. One example: in xlib, the GC and Display structures are
supposed to be opaque. I've had bad experience porting software that
was bypassing this and using some of the internal fields, even though
it is clearly specified in the manual that the fields of theses
structures shouldn't be used. I don't think it was bad programmers who
did that, though, but that's basically what happens when you can't
prevent hacking in the low level stuff.

    Erik> case in point: nothing whatsoever inhibits an Emacs Lisp
    Erik> programmer from constructing his own macros or functions
    Erik> that will insulate the rest of his code from implementation
    Erik> specifics if he does not like them.

Yup. but unfortunately, messing around with the internal stuff seems
to be the easiest way...

    Erik> please don't believe everything the XEmacs people tell you
    Erik> about RMS and Emacs, especially not how smart they are and
    Erik> how dumb he is -- it's a ploy that some people need to
    Erik> engage in after they got very angry with him.  be smart and
    Erik> check the facts before you decide what to believe.  at the
    Erik> very least, do not make further assumptions from unchecked
    Erik> beliefs.

After checking some of the facts, I wouldn't say RMS is dumb. And I
don't think this is what the XEmacs people say. What I do understand
they say, and my own understanding of the situation is the RMS is, to
say the least, quite reluctant to new ideas and new programming styles
when it comes to his long lived child, Emacs.

    Erik> XEmacs has done many smart things.  one of these things that
    Erik> I'm looking into _at the request of RMS_ is real hash
    Erik> tables.  Emacs has gained several new datatypes in the more
    Erik> recent versions, including char-table, some of which are
    Erik> clearly learned from XEmacs.

Then that is good news.

    Erik> XEmacs tries to learn from
    Erik> Emacs, too, except they call it "sync'ed up with" and stay
    Erik> far behind schedule.

Put it that way: every single new feature in Emacs gets in
XEmacs. Of course a bit out of schedule, but then, what do you expect?
you can't get in sync with a release that has not been done yet, can
you?

Trouble is, you can't say the opposite: that's why, in my opinion,
XEmacs remains further ahead of Emacs: you can expect every Emacs
functionnality to be there at some point, while you cannot expect all
of XEmacs features to show up in Emacs.

    Erik> if everything the XEmacs people told you were true, Emacs
    Erik> 19.32 would be very different from what it is.

Last time I checked, the last Emacs official release was 19.31. How do
you expect people to know what's in 19.32 if they are not in the
developpers or beta testing team?

    Erik> incidentally, Lisp is a programmable programming language.
    Erik> some tend to think that they can do only what the first
    Erik> order of implementation lets them do (i.e., using predefined
    Erik> functions).  this is programming in a language C in some
    Erik> other language.  unfortunately, Emacs Lisp is a lot less
    Erik> programmable than most other modern Lisps (mostly due to the
    Erik> lack of ability to define new types (defstruct and defclass)
    Erik> and lexical scope), but the _solution_ is most emphatically
    Erik> _not_ to implement several more built-in types and hype them
    Erik> as "abstract data types".  that is only marketing, and
    Erik> marketing never solves any technical problems.

It may not be *the* solution, but in my opinion it helps getting a much
cleaner platform to develop on. 

    Erik> I had hoped to see an Emacs 20 that could learn from the
    Erik> past successes, but there seems to be too many egos (note:
    Erik> plural) in the way to get there.  this is really sad.  we
    Erik> don't need Emacs 19, XEmacs 19, XEmacs 20, Emacs-in-Java,
    Erik> Emacs-on-Guile or whatever.  a fragmented developer base is
    Erik> not productive.

True. But I think (note: this is my opinion only) that most people
involved have now passed the poin where a collaboration is
possible. At least, I can't see it happen in the near future.

    Erik> perhaps the best thing about commercial
    Erik> software is that it costs so much to break up developer
    Erik> groups that people have an incentive to stay together and
    Erik> compromise a little more than they do when free to roam the
    Erik> solution space.

Hmmm. Could this have to do more with the fact members of developper
groups are *not* owners of the code they produce? And also, in some
cases, that they have clauses in their contracts that *prevents* them
from working for a competiting company, let alone creating one? I
don't think that is an advantage of commercial developpements.

Richard.

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Hi all,

Can I do this since I just want to do a lot of monitoring ( in many smal windows) under XEmacs!

Thanks in advance,
Simon

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Hi,
Does anybody know of any Cyrillic modes for Emacs/XEmacs?  The FAQ
mentions editing/viewing Japanese and Chinese languages with MULE but
I couldn't find anything about other non-Latin languages...

Any help would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Paul

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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
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[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to A. Natsev <natsev@skua.cs.duke.edu>.]

In article <yvvraq6zp71.fsf@skua.cs.duke.edu>,
A. Natsev <natsev@skua.cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does anybody know of any Cyrillic modes for Emacs/XEmacs?  The FAQ
> mentions editing/viewing Japanese and Chinese languages with MULE but
> I couldn't find anything about other non-Latin languages...
> 
> Any help would be highly appreciated.

Note that the newgroup gnu.emacs.sources is for posting _SOURCES_
only. STOP POSTING PLEAS FOR HELP HERE! There is a g.e.help newsgroup
created specially for this!

Now, when I cried out out my grath, note that there is a cyrillic mode
in the mysetup.zip in
	ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs
. It is a modified Alexeev's mode. Maybe he has a newer mode himself
now. 

Note that if you use the whole mysetup, it is available from menu. YOu
need an X font, of course.

Ilya


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Shyamal Prasad <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> writes:


>But, in a less evangelical mood, I have nothing against java (to tell
>the truth I need to learn much more than I already know). However I
>can see no reason to do a rewrite in java. It's still not clear to me
>what the advantages are.....anyone who has used elisp to do more than
>maintain a .emacs file or write a function or two will usually love
>it. I am sure the same is true of java....but why would we rewrite a
>great package in a great language?

Several things come to mind -

1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in c but the interpreted language is
elisp. If the language to write the editor and the language to program the editor are the same,
extensions of the editor would be trivial.

2. To take advantage of the above (meta-circularity) , write emacs in java and also make the
programming language for the editor to be Java.

3. Once all the .el files are re-written in Java, they can be made applets, that can be served
from mirror sites on demand. Everyone will get the latest and greatest .el (well, you may want to 
call them Java applets) files from wherever.

>No, lets give elisp threads and a better compiler. And, to be honest,
>lets keep the OO part out! :)

Anil

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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

> Haven't played with threads in Emacs, but was EFS going to allow multiple
> things to be done at the same time.

It does... to a certain extent.  With the lack of true thread support in
Emacs, the tasks that EFS does in the background are triggered by process
filters.  It is extremely yukky to program up btw.

> Come to think of it, isn't it currently possible to start an asynchronous
> copy in ANGE-FTP or W3?

ange-ftp under Emacs v18 could do file copies in the background.  It may even
work under XEmacs.  EFS does quite a few tasks in the background... file copy
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One of the great advantages of Emacs is that it has an interpreted
scripting language, so the programmers who were its target audiences could
quickly hack together nice extensions in the Emacs environment.  

Java doesn't fulfill these needs so well because it's compiled and because
it's designed for larger applications rather than quick hacks.  So you'll
need to come up with a different scripting language...

Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> wrote in article
<tvspapu49j.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com>...
> 
> (X)Emacs is great editor but it has some disadvantages :
> 
> It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow in my opinion. 
> It runs as a single thread. Multiple threads are nice, especially for
news
>  and www.  
> It's not object-oriented. 
> A lot of people don't like lisp. 
> It's a huge package. 
> 
> To solve this problem my proposal is :
> 
> Let's write a new editor in java ! ( if there isn't yet such a project
???) 
> 
> Java supports threads, is object-oriented, is nearly as fast as C 
> (with JIT's), a lot of people will use it as a programming language. 
> Also an object-oriented framework could help to reuse more code. 
> 
> Any opinions ?
> 
> Markus 


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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Menzel <cpm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au> writes:
>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Chris> Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

sb> hkey-help-show is
sb> defined in hyperbole which you must be partially loading.  Try adding
sb> (require 'hmouse-drv)
sb> where you load hyperbole and see if the problem goes away.

Chris> Yes, that does indeed do the trick -- odd thing is, I had
Chris> commented out all of the hyperbole stuff and was no longer
Chris> loading it, unless there's some line in a load file out there
Chris> somewhere I've missed...

Thanks for the confirmation Chris.  I've added this to the
trouble-shooting section of the FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_1_20

I'm still at a loss to explain why XEmacs got into that state to begin
with.
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>>>>> "Ilya" == Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:

Ilya> In article <yvvraq6zp71.fsf@skua.cs.duke.edu>,
Ilya> A. Natsev <natsev@skua.cs.duke.edu> wrote:

>> Hi,
>> Does anybody know of any Cyrillic modes for Emacs/XEmacs?

Ilya> Now, when I cried out out my grath, note that there is a cyrillic mode
Ilya> in the mysetup.zip in
Ilya> 	ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs

I've added a reference to this file in the FAQ.
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html#Q1_3_7


By any chance does this handle KOI8-R encodings in email headers?
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The enriched.el package does this, but I think it's only available from
emacs still. Ask the author Boris Goldowsky <boris@gnu.ai.mit.edu> if it is
available for xemacs (and post the reply). (Looking at his email, I doubt
it is :-( 

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>From wrect.el by Bob Weiner

(defun copy-rectangle (start end)
  "Copy rectangle with corners at START and END as last killed one."
  (interactive "r")
  (setq killed-rectangle
	(let ((lines (list nil)))
	  (save-excursion
	    (operate-on-rectangle 'copy-extract-rectangle-line
				  start end t)
	    (nreverse (cdr lines))))))

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[Erik Naggum]

|   case in point: nothing whatsoever inhibits an Emacs Lisp programmer
|   from constructing his own macros or functions that will insulate the
|   rest of his code from implementation specifics if he does not like
|   them.

[Richard Cognot]

|   Yup. but unfortunately, messing around with the internal stuff seems to
|   be the easiest way...

doesn't this make you wonder?

as I said, it is a myth that encapsulation has to be done by somebody else,
but that is the attitude I'm seeing all over the place when people think
something is poorly encapsulated.  I'm inclined to believe that
"encapsulation" is an _unnatural_ process that programmers only appreciate
after the fact, and then only if it is done completely to their liking.  (I
have read lots of message where the "need" to change some encapsulated part
in Emacs had pissed off some XEmacs people.  if this "encapsulation" thing
was the panacea it is being sold to be, why would anyone be pissed off when
they have to change it, and why is it a _desirable_ consequence that things
be incompatible in exchange for "getting it [more] right"?  something is
_seriously_ amiss here.)

we have two problems with encapsulation:

    (1) it is too frequently done wrong (by whatever standard)
    (2) even if it is done right, somebody will want to tweak it

encapsulation should be performed when there has been no change to
something for a long time.  up until then, it should be open enough that
people can disagree, reimplement, hack, and tweak.  I'm aware that this is
not the Politically Correct way to look at things in this day of so-called
"object orientation", which in the most popular languages is nothing more
than a gag order on people who have better ideas.

I'm asking you to recognize that encapsulation will _never_ be done at the
right time, it will _always_ be premature or overdue.  someone will always
come along to argue vociferously that something should be "done right" and
ignore any costs thereof, and someone will always come along later and make
as much noise about it having been "done wrong" because it was done too
early.  we cannot escape these problems any more than we can escape being
human.  please don't expect your view of timing to be universal.

me, I would like to see a Common Emacs Lisp that could compile into both
byte code and Emacs-internal C, such that those things that are more solid
may be compiled to C, and those that need to be tweaked can be moved back
and forth between the C/Lisp "barrier".  Emacs Lisp is not powerful enough
to do this today, but that is _my_ vision for Emacs.

|   What I do understand [the XEmacs people] say, and my own understanding
|   of the situation is the RMS is, to say the least, quite reluctant to
|   new ideas and new programming styles when it comes to his long lived
|   child, Emacs.

not so.  at worst, he's protective of Emacs, but after I had sent him a
couple dozen patches and he asked me to install them in the source tree
myself, I have not had any problems with my suggestions.  not all have been
accepted right away, but they got in there eventually, including #', which
he argued strongly against for a while (#' in Common Lisp returns the
function object of a symbol or lambda form, in Emacs Lisp it returns the
symbol in one case, and the byte-compiled lambda form in the other).  I
have not yet suggested any major changes, as I don't have the experience
and knowledge to know what they might affect, but my experience with these
"new ideas" and "programming styles" that get rejected is that they are
based in ignorance of how Emacs works and would break things needlessly.
maybe this is all due to youthful impatience -- programmers who have
reached their 30's aren't quite as rash as those still in their early 20's.

Emacs is also a program that a lot of people trust; you don't break trust
lightly.  RMS is also trying to keep the complexity as low as possible, and
backward compatibility as high as possible, all the while accepting tons of
suggestions and improvements.  some suggestions are more wide-ranging than
others, and he is careful with implementing them, but that is not the same
as being "reluctant" -- it's only an issue of not making Emacs into an
experimental, bug-ridden toy program that crashes on people for no good
reasons.  and it doesn't.  I value this.  if the cost is a little slower
implementation of some features, so be it.

|   Put it that way: every single new feature in Emacs gets in XEmacs.  Of
|   course a bit out of schedule, but then, what do you expect?  you can't
|   get in sync with a release that has not been done yet, can you?

my system runs an Emacs that is at most a day older than the most recent
change to the source tree at the FSF.  this way, I can inspect and test all
changes, in particular by running regression tests, catch mistakes while
they are small and innocuous, and fix typos caught during compilation.  I
believe this is a useful task, and it clearly shows that one can do what
you think cannot be done.

I think that playing delayed catch-up is the wrong way to handle this.
handling a few changes a day is a piece of cake.  handling multiple
megabytes of changes between releases must be a nightmare.

I also think that your first sentence is an exaggeration bordering on a
lie.  it may be the goal of XEmacs to include everything in Emacs, but it
isn't there, and it will never be there as long as this "bit out of
schedule" is as long as it is.  (XEmacs 19.14, released 1996-06-23, is
"sync'ed up with" Emacs 19.30, released 1995-11-24.  Emacs 19.31 was
released 1996-05-25.  Emacs 19.32 is due any day now.)

|   Last time I checked, the last Emacs official release was 19.31.

OK, if you think it makes a difference: "if everything the XEmacs people
told you were true, Emacs 19.31 would be very different from what it is."

|   How do you expect people to know what's in 19.32 if they are not in the
|   developpers or beta testing team?

but why _aren't_ they?  I don't expect people to be omniscient, but I
expect them to do _something_ about things they complain about.  some are
willfully ignorant of the developments in Emacs, and proud of it, to boot.
such willfull ignorance is not the mark of a professional.

oh, by the way, can XEmacs 19.14 run Emacs 19.30 bytecode?  (rhetorical.)

#\Erik

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>>>>> "Anil" == Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

    Anil> Several things come to mind -

    Anil> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in
    Anil> c but the interpreted language is elisp. If the language to
    Anil> write the editor and the language to program the editor are
    Anil> the same, extensions of the editor would be trivial.

Actually, most of the emacs front-end in written in Emacs-Lisp. The
C-code is only the very core of the Emacs system. When you compile
emacs (if you ever did so), the last phase starts the impure (ie dumb,
mostly unusable) emacs, loads all the base libraries, and then dumps
the real emacs executable.

I think this design's quite good: you keep most of the things (I'd say
90%) in emacs lisp, while all the time-consuming functions or
low-level routines are in C.

    Anil> 2. To take advantage of the above (meta-circularity) , write
    Anil> emacs in java and also make the programming language for the
    Anil> editor to be Java.

As someone pointed out in this thread, emacs uses a lot of
unix-dependent library calls, which Java cannot provide (unless
breaking the portability thing).

    Anil> 3. Once all the .el files are re-written in Java, they can
    Anil> be made applets, that can be served from mirror sites on
    Anil> demand. Everyone will get the latest and greatest .el (well,
    Anil> you may want to call them Java applets) files from wherever.

Network-distributed programs are cool, but I wouldn't want an editor
(if one can still call emacs only an editor) to have its package
distributed like this, for two reasons:

1) speed:
	Think of what happens when I load my first C-file: the lisp
	interpreter loads: cc-mode, font-lock, fast-lock, cl; plus
	probably some other packages.
2) security:
	As you can do virtually _anything_ under emacs, I wouldn't let
	elisp packages be loaded on-demand from the net !
	But it fits very well the Java-www tendance :-)

Phil.

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I use: (In my ~/.emacs file)

  (setq-default line-number-mode t)         ; Add Line-Numbers into mode line.

>>>>> "Mats" == Mats Jansson <etxnmmm@ny.ericsson.se> writes:

  Mats: I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it
  Mats: is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on?
  Mats: Haven't  found any info in the docs. If you know how to do
  Mats: please  reply here or e-mail me.
  Mats: thanks


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Is this possible?

I would like to include the revision number in the headers/footers, is
this possible?, How?

TIA.
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Sudish Joseph <sudish@vnet.ibm.com> writes:

> Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
> > Lately, I've noticed that sometimes XEmacs 19.14 fails to show a new
> > window or update a display until I give it a "nudge" by hitting a key
> 
> > Anyone else notice this? I've had it happen to me in GNUS
> 
> It seems to happen to me just about everytime I start GNUS.  It seems
> to block after displaying the gnu and before opening the connection to
> the news server.  Feels very much like a sit-for gone crazy.

Happens to me constantly, in both 19.13 and 19.14 (XEmacs 19.14
[Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4)), most often in w3 (WWW 3.0.3, URL
1.0.34, MM 1.96) but also very often in gnus (Gnus v5.2.25; nntp 4.0;
nnfolder 1.0) and at other random moments.

I'm running MIT X11R6 on various Suns, with various window managers
(mostly piewm and twtwm).  But it also happens every time I run
xemacs on dumb ttys.

One of those paradoxically minor-yet-major problems (minor to me, I'm
sort of already used to it (sigh), but major to most of my users --
almost a show stopper for our naive non-Unix types -- very hard to
explain to users that have trouble grasping the concept of typeahead).

-- 
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In article <vafk9w1h6gl.fsf@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>,
Kai Grossjohann  <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> wrote:
>I seriously doubt that you will be able to write a Lisp interpreter in
>Java that is as fast as Emacs.

That is why we want to *compile* Lisp to Java bytecodes.

I happen to have just released Kawa 0.3.  This is a package
entirely written in Java, that compiles Scheme to Java bytescode,
and includes the associated runtime system, read-eval-print-loop etc.

It would not be difficult to use the same system to implement
Emacs Lisp.  The main non-trivial difference between Scheme
and ELisp are the issues dealing with name binding, dynamic
scoping, buffer-local-variables, which get even hairier if one
wants to support threads and multiple top-level name spaces.

In addition there is the small matter of programming the various
Emacs data types, such as buffer, window, string, faces, keymap, ...

Then all the existing Elisp libraries can be easily compiled into
Java bytecodes.  New Emacs packages can be written in ELisp, Scheme,
Java, or a combination.  This is similar to Stallman's plans for
Guile, but built on top of Java.

The full sources and (minimal) documentation for Kawa is available
by anonymous ftp from ftp.cygnus.com, in pub/bothner/kawa-0.3.tar.gz.
This release of kawa makes no attempt to support threads reasonably.
-- 
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In article <87pw5qs0y5.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:
|>>>>> "Anil" == Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:
|
|    Anil> Several things come to mind -
|
|    Anil> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in
|    Anil> c but the interpreted language is elisp. If the language to
|    Anil> write the editor and the language to program the editor are
|    Anil> the same, extensions of the editor would be trivial.
|
|Actually, most of the emacs front-end in written in Emacs-Lisp. The
|C-code is only the very core of the Emacs system. When you compile
|emacs (if you ever did so), the last phase starts the impure (ie dumb,
|mostly unusable) emacs, loads all the base libraries, and then dumps
|the real emacs executable.

You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has around
200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all of the lines
of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.

ben

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In article <31EF12FF.7B5B@columbia.edu>,
Peter K Wu  <peter@columbia.edu> wrote:
|Jamie Zawinski wrote:
|> Java is two things: it's a language specification, and a runtime.  One
|> of the interesting things about Java is that its runtime is everywhere.
|
|Precisely, it would certainly cut down on the porting issues.  And with
|the bravo engine behind it, font/graphics support could be tremendous.

Porting, however, is not nearly such a problem as you might think.
To rewrite XEmacs from scratch in Java would probably take at least
10 times the effort as to port the existing C code to Win32; I wouldn't
be surprised if this number came to 20 times or more.

ben

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In article <31EEB597.69D8@netscape.com>,
Jamie Zawinski  <jwz@netscape.com> wrote:
|David Masterson wrote:
|> 
|> Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
|> 
|> > I seriously doubt that you will be able to write a Lisp interpreter in
|> > Java that is as fast as Emacs.
|
|Java is two things: it's a language specification, and a runtime.  One
|of the interesting things about Java is that its runtime is everywhere.
|
|If you retargetted the emacs-lisp compiler to the Java bytecode
|interpreter, you could see a dramatic performance improvement.

Probably true.  I agree this would be a very good thing.  In order
for this to work well, however, you'd have to change E-Lisp to be
lexically scoped by default, and fix all the (newly?) broken code
that relied on dynamic scoping without explicitly declaring the
variables dynamic.

Also, although I haven't looked at the Java bytecode spec enough to
really know what I'm talking about, I wonder if we wouldn't have
problems from

a) The semi-static typing in Java being in conflict with the completely
   dynamic typing in E-Lisp
b) The lack of function closures (if and when they get added to E-Lisp :)

|> 1. An (X)Emacs plug-in for Netscape (this would probably give Netscape a big
|>    leg up on Microsoft Internet Explorer!).
|
|(Yeah right.  Nobody cares.  The emacs user base is *microscopic*
|compared to the user base of web browsers in general.  For example,
|Netscape, which has somewhere above 80% penetration, has less than 9%
|of its users on Unix. And most of *them* don't use Emacs either.
|I love Emacs, but claiming that it's of general interest is 
|delusional.)

(BTW the 80% figure is significantly overestimated.  The most recent
figure I heard coming from Netscape itself is 70%, and the consensus
from many people is that even that is too high ...  Most browser surveys
are skewed in that they ignore the high-in-number but "dumb" users
who use the built-in AOL/Procomm/etc. browsers.)

You're right though that Emacs has no importance to Netscape in their
quest to dominate the browser market.  At this point I think they're
driven almost completely by the Windows market, and in particular by
what their browser has over Internet Explorer.  Thus it's no coincidence
(I surmise) that Netscape added (what appears to me to be rather hastily)
some JIT support to Netscape 3.0b5, right around the time of Microsoft's
announcements of JIT support in Internet Explorer.

|> 3. An (X)Mosaic compiled with XEmacs as a widget.  Come to think of it, could
|>    Lynx be compiled with XEmacs as a widget?
|
|Half the work is done to make a replacement for the XmText widget which
|offloads editing responsibility to an external Emacs process.  Someone
|should finish that, and then any Motif program could be linked such that
|all editing happened with a real Emacs behind it.  (I think Ben said
|that it wouldn't actually be that hard, he just hadn't gotten around to
|it.)

Yup.  In fact it would probably be significantly easier to code up the
Motif interface than the work it took me to implement the external widget
in the first place -- I spent weeks dealing with incredible Xt bogosity.
(BTW Xt, AWT, and the Windows GUI API all rank near the top of my list
of the most bogusly designed API's I've ever worked with.  What is it
about windowing toolkits that makes it so impossibly difficult for people
to design them intelligently?)

|But anyway, on the main topic of where Emacs should go with respect to
|Java: one approach would be to throw it away and start from scratch,
|with an extensible editor written in Java.  I think that's a *really
|good* idea.  Emacs has a lot of historical baggage in it that our
|rewriting on the XEmacs branch could not properly eviscerate, for
|compatibility reasons (we made improvements, but the weight of history
|didn't allow us to go far enough.)  I think it's time for a fresh start.
|
|The other approach would be to retarget Emacs to the Java platform, in
|order to let all applications continue to work.  The way to do this
|would be to rewrite the Emacs kernel (the C code) in Java.  Blam,
|instant portability.  Except that it's really likely that big chunks of
|that task are outright impossible, because Emacs requires OS services
|which (I assume) the Java language doesn't provide.  And it would also
|likely be very slow, in the absence of a JIT.  I don't know.  But it's
|certainly worth looking in to; I wouldn't dismiss it out-of-hand.  (Some
|of these portability issues could be solved with native methods tailored
|to each underlying OS, but once you do that, you're back almost where
|you started and haven't gotten the portability win you were looking
|for.)

I think you're smoking things if you think any of this is actually going
to happen any time in the near future.  Writing any sort of editor that
provided anything even remotely approaching the extensibility of Emacs
would take years and years of work, and I can't see anyone coming forth
to fund this.  The best efforts coming out of Microsoft and such places
provide really nice GUI interfaces but fail utterly on the extensibility
front.

Also, Java is at least a couple years away (probably more) from being
usable for large, serious applications.  The tools need huge improvements
before they're really usable (all existing JIT implementations suck;
no currently released compiler can optimize without producing incorrect code;
you can't even debug in most implementations; etc.) and the language itself
needs some improvements that IMHO are absolutely necessary for large
applications, esp. toolkit-level applications like Emacs. (I'd say that
weak references and some sort of preprocessor are an absolute must, and
friend classes and declared-as-constant objects are not far behind.)

I think a much better approach than rewriting from scratch would be to
add a powerful general mechanism for adding backward compatibility
(this is already 95% there in XEmacs, with the advice package and magic
Lisp variables [which I added some months back]), and progressively
throw away old, crufty parts of XEmacs and reimplement as necessary
using backward-compatibility stuff.  The idea is that the compatibility
stuff would be strictly in Lisp, autoloaded as necessary, and would
probably be significantly slower than the new stuff, but that's the
price you pay for advancement.  Switching to Java as an extension language
might not be a bad idea just for the money/hype axis, although as
others have pointed out, it's not a very good scripting language.

Fundamentally, I think that once you get to a certain level of complexity,
code reuse is key.  There's just not time to rewrite and reinvent everything.
Netscape could afford to do this for their browser, but they had huge
money behind them and in any case were replacing something that was
probably less than 5% the complexity of XEmacs.

ben

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In article <31F0140E.6956@netscape.com>,
Jamie Zawinski  <jwz@netscape.com> wrote:
|David Kastrup wrote:
|> 
|> That explains why calc does not work under XEmacs, but not why it will
|> not work for Emacs 19.30.
|
|True.  I've been completely out of touch with what's going on on the FSF
|branch of the emacs tree for two years now; perhaps they finally saw the
|light and abstracted the event model like we did years before (it
|wouldn't be the first time.)

Nope ...  RMS has made no major architectural changes to Emacs in years.

ben

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In article <3046910169929546@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|[Erik Naggum]
|
|as I said, it is a myth that encapsulation has to be done by somebody else,
|but that is the attitude I'm seeing all over the place when people think
|something is poorly encapsulated.  I'm inclined to believe that
|"encapsulation" is an _unnatural_ process that programmers only appreciate
|after the fact, and then only if it is done completely to their liking.  (I
|have read lots of message where the "need" to change some encapsulated part
|in Emacs had pissed off some XEmacs people.  if this "encapsulation" thing
|was the panacea it is being sold to be, why would anyone be pissed off when
|they have to change it, and why is it a _desirable_ consequence that things
|be incompatible in exchange for "getting it [more] right"?  something is
|_seriously_ amiss here.)

????  Once again you're getting your facts wrong.  Our complaints have
never been about encapsulated parts of FSF Emacs, but precisely the
opposite: We have complained about *non*-encapsulated parts of FSF Emacs.
We want to change the underlying implementation, but due to the fact that
FSF Emacs exposes this implementation, lots of existing code breaks.

BTW where did you hear about this?  From RMS?  Perhaps you should try to
get both sides of the story before ranting on like this.


|we have two problems with encapsulation:
|
|    (1) it is too frequently done wrong (by whatever standard)
|    (2) even if it is done right, somebody will want to tweak it
|
|encapsulation should be performed when there has been no change to
|something for a long time.  up until then, it should be open enough that
|people can disagree, reimplement, hack, and tweak.  I'm aware that this is
|not the Politically Correct way to look at things in this day of so-called
|"object orientation", which in the most popular languages is nothing more
|than a gag order on people who have better ideas.
|
|I'm asking you to recognize that encapsulation will _never_ be done at the
|right time, it will _always_ be premature or overdue.  someone will always
|come along to argue vociferously that something should be "done right" and
|ignore any costs thereof, and someone will always come along later and make
|as much noise about it having been "done wrong" because it was done too
|early.  we cannot escape these problems any more than we can escape being
|human.  please don't expect your view of timing to be universal.

Do you have any facts to support your assertions?  You're making awfully
blanket statements.

|me, I would like to see a Common Emacs Lisp that could compile into both
|byte code and Emacs-internal C, such that those things that are more solid
|may be compiled to C, and those that need to be tweaked can be moved back
|and forth between the C/Lisp "barrier".  Emacs Lisp is not powerful enough
|to do this today, but that is _my_ vision for Emacs.

There is absolutely no way that such a sceme could be made to work.

||   What I do understand [the XEmacs people] say, and my own understanding
||   of the situation is the RMS is, to say the least, quite reluctant to
||   new ideas and new programming styles when it comes to his long lived
||   child, Emacs.
|
|not so.  at worst, he's protective of Emacs, but after I had sent him a
|couple dozen patches and he asked me to install them in the source tree
|myself, I have not had any problems with my suggestions.  not all have been
|accepted right away, but they got in there eventually, including #', which
|he argued strongly against for a while (#' in Common Lisp returns the
|function object of a symbol or lambda form, in Emacs Lisp it returns the
|symbol in one case, and the byte-compiled lambda form in the other).  I
|have not yet suggested any major changes, as I don't have the experience
|and knowledge to know what they might affect, but my experience with these
|"new ideas" and "programming styles" that get rejected is that they are
|based in ignorance of how Emacs works and would break things needlessly.
|maybe this is all due to youthful impatience -- programmers who have
|reached their 30's aren't quite as rash as those still in their early 20's.

This would imply that I'm ignorant of how Emacs works, since I'm the one
making major architectural changes to XEmacs, and suggesting such changes
to RMS.  Correct?

||   Last time I checked, the last Emacs official release was 19.31.
|
|OK, if you think it makes a difference: "if everything the XEmacs people
|told you were true, Emacs 19.31 would be very different from what it is."

Whatever you say ...  statements like this are basically meaningless,
especially when stated in a vacuum.

||   How do you expect people to know what's in 19.32 if they are not in the
||   developpers or beta testing team?
|
|but why _aren't_ they?  I don't expect people to be omniscient, but I
|expect them to do _something_ about things they complain about.  some are
|willfully ignorant of the developments in Emacs, and proud of it, to boot.
|such willfull ignorance is not the mark of a professional.
|
|oh, by the way, can XEmacs 19.14 run Emacs 19.30 bytecode?  (rhetorical.)

Indeed it can, and our implementation of the lazy-loading stuff is
cleaner and less buggy than at least the 19.30 implementation.

ben

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In article <3046812441302153_-_@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|[David Kastrup] (to Jamie Zawinski)
|
||   Well, if I understand this right, if you make calc function again
||   properly, it will keep working under future versions of XEmacs, but can
||   break anytime again under GNU Emacs.
||   
||   I still maintain that encapsulation and blck-box interfaces are a good
||   thing.
|
|it is a persistent myth that encapsulation and black-box interfaces have to
|be implemented by somebody else and always have to be done at some "lower"
|level.  whether a keymap is a list where the first member is `keymap' and
|some other contents or a built-in type affects mainly who can peek at the
|code and understand it.  this, in turn, means that naughty programmers,
|those who want to gain access to private parts at the wrong times, may
|write bad code in the open implementation and will have a harder time doing
|so in the closed implementation.  I'm not sure this is a valid argument
|against open implementations.  good programmers can encapsulate at any
|level of the code.  even better programmers also know when it is a bad idea
|to encapsulate too much.  in the current "object-oriented" craze, it seems
|that this wisdom somehow got lost.

I get the strong feeling you've never actually worked on a really large
code base.  If you expose something, people *WILL* use it no matter how
many times you tell them not to.  That's why what you call "closed
implementations" are so important.  The vast vast majority of programmers
are bad ones.

|case in point: nothing whatsoever inhibits an Emacs Lisp programmer from
|constructing his own macros or functions that will insulate the rest of his
|code from implementation specifics if he does not like them.  if someone
|does make a good job of it, it may even end up in Emacs itself.  this has
|happened before, time and again.

Yes, but in the vast majority of circumstances, such encapsulations
don't make it into the core, and the result is a whole host of duplicate
and incompatible versions of the same thing.

Standardization is almost universally recognized to be a good idea.

|please don't believe everything the XEmacs people tell you about RMS and
|Emacs, especially not how smart they are and how dumb he is -- it's a ploy
|that some people need to engage in after they got very angry with him.  be
|smart and check the facts before you decide what to believe.  at the very
|least, do not make further assumptions from unchecked beliefs.

Eh?  Are you referring to me?  There aren't very many XEmacs people out
there.  I don't think I've ever accused RMS of being stupid.  I will
say, however, that he's quite narrow-minded about what he considers
good programming practices, and his ideas differ significantly from
nearly every other experienced programmer today. (Although they are not
so different from what many experienced programmers from the 70's and early
80's thought.)

|XEmacs has done many smart things.  one of these things that I'm looking
|into _at the request of RMS_ is real hash tables.  Emacs has gained several
|new datatypes in the more recent versions, including char-table, some of
|which are clearly learned from XEmacs.  XEmacs tries to learn from Emacs,
|too, except they call it "sync'ed up with" and stay far behind schedule.
|
|if everything the XEmacs people told you were true, Emacs 19.32 would be
|very different from what it is.  it's time for the XEmacs folks to update
|their FAQs a bit, at the very least.  it's quite annoying to read as it
|stands when you know what they are talking about much better than they do.

I think *YOU* need to check your facts.  I know quite well what's in
every version of FSF Emacs up through 19.31, and we the XEmacs developers
have done a MUCH MUCH better job of tracking changes from FSF Emacs than
vice-versa.  In general we've incorporated everything except the most
completely bogus stuff from FSF Emacs; on the other hand, RMS has for
the most part ignored XEmacs, to the extent of implementing the same
feature that's already in XEmacs in an incompatible and often inferior
way, and being extremely recalcitrant when it comes to cooperation.
For example, char tables were not learned from XEmacs, but were rather
implemented about the same time in both XEmacs and FSF Emacs.  While
RMS was implementing them, he made no attempts to contact me to see what
I was doing or even inform me of what he was doing; I found out about
char tables rather coincidentally.  At that point I tried to work out
a common implementation, but RMS insisted that char tables were really
basically the same as vectors, and refused to provide a clean,
encapsulated interface onto them.  Thus, we have two incompatible versions
of char tables.

BTW we are not "far behind schedule".  In general we track things fairly
closely; we are only behind schedule at all due to lack of programmer
time and the complete noncooperation we continue to get from RMS.

|incidentally, Lisp is a programmable programming language.  some tend to
|think that they can do only what the first order of implementation lets
|them do (i.e., using predefined functions).  this is programming in a
|language C in some other language.  unfortunately, Emacs Lisp is a lot less
|programmable than most other modern Lisps (mostly due to the lack of
|ability to define new types (defstruct and defclass) and lexical scope),
|but the _solution_ is most emphatically _not_ to implement several more
|built-in types and hype them as "abstract data types".  that is only
|marketing, and marketing never solves any technical problems.

Have you ever actually used XEmacs?  You're spouting pure RMSspeak.
I get the feeling you've never actually looked through the XEmacs
source code or tried to use it.  Otherwise you wouldn't be so cavalier
about your statements about XEmacs.

ben

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weiping@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Weiping Hu) writes:

> Hi.  I've upgraded w3 to 3.0.6 and it seems a lot faster.  However, every
> time an image is loaded there is a beep and when there are a lot of
> images it's very annoying.  Would this be a bug or a setup problem?  Any
> suggestions welcome.  Thanks.

  Bug.  Will be fixed in 3.0.8, out later this afternoon from
ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/elisp/w3/.betas/

-Bill P.

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Dear All

I am sorry to ask a question which has been asked before. When I use the
spell checker, the message 

ispell version 3.1.* is required: try renaming ispell4.el to ispell.el

keeps appearing. I found the ispell.el is in the directory

/var/tmp/sscr03/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/ispell.el

so how I can set the path correctly.

I found that this question has been asked before but I could not find the
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John



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[Ben Wing]

|   I get the strong feeling you've never actually worked on a really large
|   code base.

wow!  what a constructive way to ask me to listen to you!

|   The vast vast majority of programmers are bad ones.

this may actually sum up your position pretty well.

you may find that the vast, vast majority of programmers are willing to
listen and learn if you don't brand them as bad before you have even tried.
(the _minority_ of programmers who are stubborn assholes will never get it
right no matter what you tell them.)  "protecting" a project like XEmacs
from "bad programmers" tells people that they are allowed to make only
"safe" contributions and that you don't trust them not to clobber your
code, as if any amount of encapsulation short of binary distributions could
really protect you.  if this is your rationale for encapsulation, I'd say
it is wholly invalid reasoning.

|   Standardization is almost universally recognized to be a good idea.

why are there so many complaints about "bad standards", then?

my argument was that _premature_ encapsulation (= standardization) is an
extremely bad idea.  nobody has yet found a way to tell in advance whether
it would be premature to standardize something, yet we can easily detect
that something was premature at the time it happened.

"I get a strong feeling you have never actually worked on a standards
specification."  you see?  comments like that are _not_ productive.  (in
case you wonder, I have been active in both IETF and ISO working groups.)

|   I think *YOU* need to check your facts.

cool it, Ben.

read the XEmacs FAQ over again; compare it with what you know about both
branches.  if it seems to be accurate in its description of Emacs, you
don't know what has gone on.  if you find a need to amend the FAQ to be
more accurate after reading it, that would be very helpful.  in fact, I
suggested as much, did I not?

I don't know XEmacs very well (I dislike the display intensely -- I have a
monochrome display by choice, and I don't like lots of fonts, either -- I
guess I'm not the rad hip color font dudes you want to attract), but I do
know Emacs, and I do know that some of what that FAQ says about Emacs is
wrong.  it should just be fixed without anybody having to defend their
pride.  if, however, XEmacs thing is really about hubris and personal
pride, please be honest enough to say so.

|   BTW we are not "far behind schedule".  In general we track things
|   fairly closely; we are only behind schedule at all due to lack of
|   programmer time and the complete noncooperation we continue to get from
|   RMS.

I'm inclined to think that this "complete noncooperation" accusation is not
quite as clear-cut in your favor as you imply it is, nor that your defense
of why and how you are behind schedule is entirely honest.

|   Have you ever actually used XEmacs?  You're spouting pure RMSspeak.  I
|   get the feeling you've never actually looked through the XEmacs source
|   code or tried to use it.  Otherwise you wouldn't be so cavalier about
|   your statements about XEmacs.

it is the sign of a sick mind that one cannot find any other explanation
for something than the ill will of others.

I have not been out to attack XEmacs or you or your cat or anything else
personal to you.  I'm attacking the stupidity of the hostilities.  I'm
annoyed by the fact that what the XEmacs FAQ and other documents from the
XEmacs "camp" say about Emacs is _wrong_, and I'm alarmed that you defend
them.  I'm annoyed by what I find to be calls for premature and hasty
encapsulation when such is _worse_ than overdue encapsulation.  the whole
split is evidence to that: if things had been _less_ encapsulated in Emacs,
you wouldn't have needed to go make new _incompatible_ "internals" the way
you have.  if things were encapsulated _right_, you could have changed the
internals and not have had to change the external interfaces.  right?  the
problem with encapsulation is, in brief, that some people must define it
and they may be the wrong people, and even if they are the right people,
they might go wrong.  sometimes, it is better not to write things in stone.
I'd like you guys to consider that argument, and not only think in terms of
what you think is smartest today.  optimization increases the distance
between solutions.  even good C programmers have yet to discover that.
Lisp programmers have known it for decades.

if you have a personal need to dismiss criticism because you "get a
feeling" or think people are "spouting pure RMSspeak", that may actually
point the way in understanding why this alleged "complete noncooperation"
exists in the first place.  I don't know the reasons for such a personal
need, but it does seem pregnantly present in your style.  I had hoped to be
able to talk with you about XEmacs and some things that I would like to see
in either or both Emacsen, but that seems a long shot, now.  I regret the
fact that I have offended you, but you have also taken offense where none
was intended, and I'm frankly taken a bit aback by your attitude.

please realize that there are legitimate reasons to like either of the
Emacs and the XEmacs ways of doing things, independently of the legitimate
reasons to dislike the other.  just because someone knows the Emacs way
better and tries to inject notions from a different perspective into a
debate that consists of people who all seem to agree that encapsulation is
best done prematurely to ward off the "vast, vast majority of programmers",
does not mean that you have reason to go silly with your ridiculous and
counter-productive "spouting pure RMSspeak" accusation.  when you do that,
you're part of the problem, and not part of _any_ solutions, Ben.

the next time you find somebody wanting to add a differing view to your
narrow-minded, all-too-personal attitude about XEmacs, keep in mind that
you accuse RMS of reacting precisely the way you have reacted here.
fortunately, there are others who work on XEmacs who are not so hubristic.

incidentally, if one possesses even the slightest bit of respect for
justice and fairness, one _must_ get weary of hearing that RMS has all
sorts of negative qualities to the exclusion of his positive qualities, no
_matter_ what one personally thinks of RMS.  it is not the case that one
has to be personally involved with somebody or something to argue against
injustice and unfairness against them -- that would be very primitive.  it
could be, in this case it is, a desire to see both sides of an issue that
is filled by one-sided comments.

you may have technical reasons for your technical comments, but keep them
technical.  if you have personal comments, snide remarks, attitude problems
or whatever, keep them to yourself, OK?  I had good reasons to want to work
with XEmacs after a long phone call on Friday, but you took away a large
fraction of my motivation.  please tell me _why_ I should want to work to
benefit you, directly or indirectly, and tell me whether _you_ have done
anything _constructive_ about cooperation.

"spouting pure RMSspeak".  I'll frame it.


BTW, here's an issue of design that I found particularly ugly in XEmacs:

the "specifier" in XEmacs is an attempt at generalizing the global and
buffer-local variables in Emacs, which would have been a good idea, but the
interface is horrendously complex -- it looks like it has been designed by
one who is madly in love with static typing.  I mean, whatever made you
_need_ `make-specifier' and `make-specifier-and-init'?  what made you think
that seperate <type>-specifier-p for all kinds of <type>s was a good idea?
whoever _thinks_ that way in Lisp, anyway?  aren't you using compiler
macros to do away with constants?  whoever designed this ugly interface
must have been ignorant of prior art and certainly completely ignorant of
type specifiers in Common Lisp.  I don't say this as an Emacs fan og Emacs
Lisp programmer -- I say it as a Common Lisp programmer.  specifiers in
XEmacs _stink_ as far as interface and encapsulation goes.  it was the
first thing I took a serious look at at the request of a friend, and I'm
sorry to see such a design hailed as superior to _anything_.  I counted 48
functions to handle specifiesr in the manual, and no trace of an effort to
use existing functions.  if this is typical of XEmacs' "encapsulation", I
prefer to do without it, thank you.

to take another issue, not very different, but which applies to Scheme,
Emacs Lisp and XEmacs Lisp: the need for `assq', `assv', and `assoc' to use
different test functions (comparators?), and the lack of a more general
function, as in Common Lisp, which uses a single `assoc' that takes the
comparator as an argument (:test).  these functions are simple enough to
inline, regardless of the comparator.  having different functions for the
same task is not a good way to do "encapsulation".

#\Erik

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[Ben Wing]

|   BTW where did you hear about this?  From RMS?  Perhaps you should try to
|   get both sides of the story before ranting on like this.

no, Ben, RMS is not behind everything evil in this world.  please try to
think about the things that are before your eyes; it's a message from me,
OK?  you do not like it, but it is not from Richard M. Stallman, OK?  are
you with me, still?  do you realize that I am not writing on behalf of and
that I am not under the influence of Richard M. Stallman at this time?  do
you?  goooood!  we're making progress, here!  now, can you stop thinking
about "RMS" for the next 60 seconds.  there, there.  I'm sorry I mentioned
the three evil letters, but we _have_ to stop your paranoid delusions.
please relax, please understand that you are overreacting, and that you
_can_ react in a different way.  this message is _not_ harmful to you, it
is not out to get you, it will not hurt you at all, unless _you_ want it
to, and you can want it _not_ to.  OK?  are you able to read further now
without blaming "him" for everything you don't like?  let's try!

|   |me, I would like to see a Common Emacs Lisp that could compile into
|   |both byte code and Emacs-internal C, such that those things that are
|   |more solid may be compiled to C, and those that need to be tweaked can
|   |be moved back and forth between the C/Lisp "barrier".  Emacs Lisp is
|   |not powerful enough to do this today, but that is _my_ vision for
|   |Emacs.
|   
|   There is absolutely no way that such a sceme could be made to work.

several other XEmacs users and package developers have become very
enthusiastic about this suggestion.  I'm curious whether you would have
rejected this so utterly without thought if it had come from somebody who
was not (in your delusional mind) associated with RMS and his evil.

the most curious thing about this "there is absolutely no way it could be
made to work"-scheme is that this is not unlike how many Lisp compilers
work, how a commercial company is working to provide a compiler from Common
Lisp into idiomatic C, and how I and others write code in C through heavy
Emacs functions _today_, to be relieved of the stupidity of C.

"there is absolutely no way that such a scheme could be made to work" goes
right up there with "spouting pure RMSspeak".  you are sick, Ben.  _sick._

|   Indeed it can, and our implementation of the lazy-loading stuff is
|   cleaner and less buggy than at least the 19.30 implementation.

are you at it _again_?  do I have any _reason_ to _believe_ any of your
incessant and self-serving carping about faults in Emacs and with RMS?  to
be really honest with you, I don't; I think you're full of shit, and that
anything that Emacs or RMS did that was better than what you did would
_still_ be vilified and attacked by you.

you deserve nothing _but_ "complete non-cooperation", Ben Wing.

now, those are not my final word, but it's not up to me to make a move,
here.  Ben is just about as irrational and unapproachable as anything I
have heard about RMS, which I have found stringent in his requirements, but
perfectly reasonable to work with.  I guess I don't think I'm so smart that
I'm willing to go off and create a whole new branch of Emacs just to get my
own will.  or so full of shit that I can't cooperate with others.  but you,
Ben, _you_ are the one who is impossible to cooperate with here.

go back to your paranoid delusions and blame RMS for anything you want.
who cares, anyway?

#\Erik

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From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
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Subject: Re: Can colored text be saved?
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    Peter> Here's want I want to do: Mark a region in a buffer Turn
    Peter> the text in the region into red color Save the buffer
    Peter> into a file Kill the buffer Open the file again See the
    Peter> red text

    Peter> I have tried it already with extents and fonts - result:
    Peter> The text is red, but not after reloading it... :-(

    Peter> Anybody out there with a useful hint?

Evaluate the following: (put your cursor at the end of the line and
hit C-x C-e)

(find-file (concat data-directory "enriched.doc"))

-Pez

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Thanks to everybody who has replied. I now have a linenumber using
(setq line-number-mode t) and it works great.

Thanks again,
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In article <joshi.837902428@sal>, Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>3. Once all the .el files are re-written in Java, they can be made applets, that can be served
>from mirror sites on demand. Everyone will get the latest and greatest .el (well, you may want to 
>call them Java applets) files from wherever.

There's no reason why this has to be dependent upon recoding in Java.
What's to stop people from making .el and .elc files available over the net
in the same way?  As with Java byte code, Emacs-Lisp byte code is
machine-independent, so it can easily be distributed this way.  Emacs's
loader would simply have to be extended to handle URL's, so you could do
something like:

(push "http://www.emacs-archive.com/pub/" load-path)
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I don't like gnuserv to create a new frame each time I call it. But
setting gnuserv-frame does not give that frame focus. Is there any
simple way to cause a frame to get window focus? I came up with the
cluge of creating a new frame in the same location and deleting the
old frame. The following code implements that:

;; Customize gnuserv to reuse same frame while still giving it focus. This is
;; done by creating a new frame and deleteing the old one each time.
(defun server-find-file (file)
  "Edit file FILENAME. If gnuserv-frame is non-nil then a single frame will be reused on subsequent calls."
  (let ((obuf (get-file-buffer file))
	;; XEmacs addition.
	(force-dialog-box-use t))
    (if (and obuf (set-buffer obuf))
	(if (file-exists-p file)
	    (if (or (not (verify-visited-file-modtime obuf))
		    (buffer-modified-p obuf))
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	       (concat "File no longer exists: "
		       file
		       ", write buffer to file? "))
	      (write-file file))))
    (cond ((and window-system
		gnuserv-frame 
		(frame-live-p gnuserv-frame))
	   ;; clone the gnuserv frame, which serves to give it focus
	   (select-frame gnuserv-frame)
	   (select-frame (make-frame
			  (list (assoc 'top (frame-parameters gnuserv-frame))
				(assoc 'left (frame-parameters gnuserv-frame)))
			  ))
	   (delete-frame gnuserv-frame)
	   (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
	   (find-file file))

	  ;; make a new frame
	  (window-system
	   (select-frame (make-frame))
	   ;; if gnuserv non-nil, then reuse frame subsequently
	   (if gnuserv-frame (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame)))
	   (find-file file))

	  ;; not in a window system
	  (t (find-file file)))))

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Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:

>Ben is just about as irrational and unapproachable as anything I
>have heard about RMS,

Which is saying quite a bit.

Woo hoo.  As the maintainer of one of emacs' competitors for mind
share, I'm quite happy that the main (x)emacs maintainers seem
like they couldn't agree to come in if it was raining.

BTW, I also think an editor extensible with Java, written in Java
would be quite nice.  I imagine you'd end up with something very
much like the Oberon environment, which is well worth looking at
for design ideas.

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~oberon/intro.html is probably an OK place
to start looking into Oberon.

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:
(in response to Ben Wing)

Erik> read the XEmacs FAQ over again; compare it with what you know
Erik> about both branches.  if it seems to be accurate in its
Erik> description of Emacs, you don't know what has gone on.

A very accurate statement, though aimed at the wrong person.

Erik> if you find a need to amend the FAQ to be more accurate after
Erik> reading it, that would be very helpful.  in fact, I suggested as
Erik> much, did I not?

O.K.  You're attacking me on this point, not Ben.  There are two
sections in the FAQ I'm not particularly pleased with, and I assume
this is what you're referring to.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

There is no balancing opinion on the `Why Haven't the Emacsen merged?'
question because I haven't found anything definitive to put in for
balance.  I now have your postings in this thread for that.

The other place is the question about the differences in key sequences
between XEmacs and GNU Emacs.  With the assistance of Per Abrahamsen,
(on the 27th of June) the answer has been reworded.  My in-depth
knowledge on this subject matter is nearly all based on Emacs 18.

Erik> I have not been out to attack XEmacs or you or your cat or
Erik> anything else personal to you.  I'm attacking the stupidity of
Erik> the hostilities.  I'm annoyed by the fact that what the XEmacs
Erik> FAQ and other documents from the XEmacs "camp" say about Emacs
Erik> is _wrong_, and I'm alarmed that you defend them.

Fair enough.  Exactly what still offends you in the XEmacs FAQ, and
how would you like to see it changed?

I was away from the 'net for the entire early period of Emacs 19
development, and thus have to rely on secondhand information to get my
facts straight.
-- 
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From: Peter K Wu <peter@columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Ben Wing wrote:

> Porting, however, is not nearly such a problem as you might think.
> To rewrite XEmacs from scratch in Java would probably take at least
> 10 times the effort as to port the existing C code to Win32; I wouldn't
> be surprised if this number came to 20 times or more.

I don't think that the intention is to rewrite xemacs in Java.  IMO, it 
would be to write a decent editor in java that has the extensibility and 
capabilities of an emacs or xemacs.  We can steal the good ideas and 
throw away the bad ones.  Some people don't like lisp (like me :-) so why 
not allow people to extend this editor in something like Java or 
something else that can compile to java bytecode.  We can make the editor 
easy enough to use for new users with menus for reconfiguring keys or 
assigning macros.  Xemacs has come a long way in those respects but I 
think we can go further than that.  There wouldn't need to be precompiled 
binaries for multiple platforms.  No tremendous configure and build 
process.  No ifdef's in the code.  It this new editor is made a java 
bean, we can attach other components to the editor easily and also use 
the editor in other components/apps as well.

Emacs/xemacs has also evolved to something that can do everything but 
cook your food and feed it to you.  This new editor wouldn't have to do 
everything.  It could just be ... an editor .. an extensible editor that 
can share data with other applications via Java RMI, CORBA or the bean 
interfaces to opendoc, activex, etc.

It will take time.  I have no doubt of that but that doesn't mean it 
shouldn't/can't be done.  And the first version doesn't need to be as 
powerful as emacs/xemacs either.  Emacs became very powerful due to all 
of the various packages that people have contributed over the years.  We 
can certainly let people build these packages as time goes on.

Peter Wu

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: RMIME wasn't designed/tested for Xemacs (was: Re: rmime vs. tm)
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  i applied some brain surgery (read random lobotomy) to rmime, and
now it works under XEmacs+VM, sort of: well, it decodes iso chars in
quoted printable, headers hilighting is ok, but it fails to hilight
urls and quotations

  while i don't want to show my work to this wider audience, i'd be
happy to mail a copy to the author of rmime, so that he could try to
make a sense of what i made, but his address, moody@cray.com, bounces

ray, are you there? any help otherwise?

ciao
			gb


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From: Andy Norman <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Focusing a frame (in gnuserv)
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Jonathan Edwards <edwards@blight.intranet.com> writes:

> I don't like gnuserv to create a new frame each time I call it. But setting
> gnuserv-frame does not give that frame focus. Is there any simple way to
> cause a frame to get window focus?

This might work (courtesy of Glenn Coombs):

diff -u -r /tmp/gnuserv.el.orig /tmp/gnuserv.el
--- gnuserv.el~	Mon Jul 22 13:24:23 1996
+++ gnuserv.el	Mon Jul 22 13:24:23 1996
@@ -222,10 +222,13 @@
 
 (defun server-make-window-visible ()
   "Try to make this window even more visible."
-  (and (boundp 'window-system)
-       (boundp 'window-system-version)
-       (eq window-system 'x)
-       (eq window-system-version 11)
+  (and (or
+      (and (boundp 'window-system)
+           (boundp 'window-system-version)
+           (eq window-system 'x)
+           (eq window-system-version 11))
+      (and (fboundp 'console-type)
+           (eq 'x (console-type))))
        (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
 	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
 	     ((fboundp 'deiconify-screen)
-- 
						-- ange -- <><

http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange		ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com

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From: Henrik Kjellsson <henrik@www.tufvan.hv.se>
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Does any one know if there is a major mode for editing Pov-ray files? 
If so where?

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Start XEmacs 19.14 with -q and with a PATH environment variable that
start with a : (for example: PATH=:$PATH xemacs -q).
XEmacs will complain "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil".  At least,
it does that on a Sun running Solaris 2.5 (SunOS 5.5).  XEmacs does
not complain on an SGI running IRIX 5.3.

I think the problem may lie in the function decode_env_path in
emacs.c, but I don't know enough of the internals to be sure.  In any
case, the first element of exec-path is nil.  Solaris has problems
with this, but Irix hasn't.

-- 
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From: haider@vnet.ibm.com (Haider A. Rizvi)
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Fred Henle <henle@cs.dartmouth.edu> writes:

>>>>>> Graham Giller <ggill@morgan.com> writes:
GG> gdb seems to be doing something slightly annoying in Xemacs ---
GG> when I first enter the code (e.g. due to a breakpoint at main) it
GG> reloads the source code of the program I'm editing, so I end-up
GG> with a myfile.c<2> as well as myfile.c itself.  Being slightly
GG> clumsy I then often end-up editing both myfile.c and myfile.c<2>
GG> --- which causes chaos.

Fred> I think the best solution is to convince XEmacs that the two files are
Fred> the same.  You probably refer to the first one as something like

Fred> ~/myfile.c

Fred> and GDB probably finds the second one as

Fred> /usr/users/ggill/myfile.c

Fred> I put the following in my .emacs file:

Fred> (setq directory-abbrev-alist
Fred> (append '(("^/u/henle/" . "~/")
Fred> ("^/usr/desolation/henle/" . "~/")
Fred> ("^/a/liberty.cs/usr/desolation/henle/" . "~/"))
Fred> directory-abbrev-alist))

If the two files are soft links, I think you will be better off setting
either of the two variables below. I use symbolic links all the time to
keep my changes away from the build that I am using. This will not resolve
your hard links of course.

(setq
	find-file-existing-other-name t ;for gnuemacs
        find-file-compare-truenames t   ;does the same for xemacs
)
        
Regards,        
-- 
Haider A. Rizvi	                (haider@vnet.ibm.com)
IBM Corporation,                       (416) 448-3161
Toronto, Canada.

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From: Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.newbridge.com>
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Hi,

To start VM, I usually start XEMACS-19.14 and press the mail button on the 
tools bar.  I would like to be able to start VM without having to bring up
the entire XEMACS system.  Is this possible?  Can this also be done for the
mail portion of XEMACS?

Thank in advance,

Bidemi Temidire
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Hi,

   I'm a novice here so it's possible I missed the answer in the FAQ
(pointer there would be fine).  I'm monkeying around with .emacs
and in doing so I now generate the following compile log:
  !! Invalid read syntax ((")"))
This is all well and good but where is the invalid syntax ?  I looked
through the file and I didn't see anything obvious. (Least ways all
my "'s appeared with another "

-- 
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Thanks but that doesn't work (for me).

Neither raise-frame nor select-frame will give a frame focus. Strange
that there doesn't appear to be an elisp primitive to do this.

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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>
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I running Xemacs-19.14 and WinDD (Tektronix Windows NT X
Application). When I start using the WinDD application Xemacs starts
complaining about key mapping errors. The problem is that everytime it
reports theses errors (about every 10 sec) the Xemacs window comes to
the front. Can I disable warnings? Can I fix the keymapping problems?
How can I iconize the window so that it doesn't keep popping up?
-- 
Michael Tennes

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In article <4sv89v$cie@staff.cs.su.oz.au>, 
gary@cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell) writes:
> Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:
> 
>>Ben is just about as irrational and unapproachable as anything I
>>have heard about RMS,
> 
> Which is saying quite a bit.
> 
> Woo hoo.  As the maintainer of one of emacs' competitors for mind
> share, I'm quite happy that the main (x)emacs maintainers seem
> like they couldn't agree to come in if it was raining.
> 
> BTW, I also think an editor extensible with Java, written in Java
> would be quite nice.  I imagine you'd end up with something very
> much like the Oberon environment, which is well worth looking at
> for design ideas.
> 
> http://www.ics.uci.edu/~oberon/intro.html is probably an OK place
> to start looking into Oberon.
> 
> -- 
> http://www.cs.su.oz.au/~gary/

Another place is  http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~laden/Ob-pkgs.html
which is a very complete and professional reference site, managed by 
a professional computer scientist, in the best sense of the word.

Just to give you an idea, what is the Oberon System: a recent 
release for Linux from Univ. Linz (Austria) is distributed as a gzipped tar 
of about 1.2 Meg. (Less than one floppy, yes!) Within this size, it contains:

 - an Oberon compiler, loader, and multitasking run time system
 - a complete graphical run time environment
 - a multifont wordprocessor
 - this wordprocessor supports live figures, tables, animated icons, 
   popup menus, hypertext folds, and other fancy elements freely floating 
   within the text. New elements can be programmed, templates are included.
 - a few quite informative articles and manuals.
 - a complete GUI framework Dialogs, with sliders, pushbuttons and all 
   the usual stuff. 
 - two different line drawing editors, one geared towards (but not limited to)
   electronic circuit design (TTL schematics and like), the other oriented 
   towards live illustrations and figures embedded in the said wordprocessor
 - a Paint program
 - a compiler front-end generator Coco 
 - a few other programs: an Oberon program Profiler, code Beautifier, 
   an AsciiCoder (sort of uucode), a few demo programs.
 - most of this stuff comes with source code

All in all, this system offers a complete functionality of a single-user,
multitasking, graphical operating system, which in fact it is (it is 
a port of the original Ceres operating system from Zurich). Best of all,
the Oberon language is a full-fledged, general-purpose, compiled, 
object-oriented language. No compromises whatsoever, as far as the 
language goes. You can develop full Monte Carlo simulation programs,
run them, monitor graphically, then prepare final report with figures,
everything within this environment (I did this, so I know). All this
is contained within this single 1.2 meg archive. 

Now, how large are other systems like emacs? I do not want to antagonize
anybody, but it seems to me Oberon System packs more functionality 
in less space, to put it mildly. 

Wojtek

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>>>>> "Sjoerd" == Sjoerd Mullender <sjoerd@ansjovis.cwi.nl> writes:

Sjoerd> Start XEmacs 19.14 with -q and with a PATH environment variable that
Sjoerd> start with a : (for example: PATH=:$PATH xemacs -q).
Sjoerd> XEmacs will complain "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil".  At least,
Sjoerd> it does that on a Sun running Solaris 2.5 (SunOS 5.5).  XEmacs does
Sjoerd> not complain on an SGI running IRIX 5.3.

This is a known problem with Solaris.  The current workaround is to
not have leading or trailing colons in the PATH, ie. change your
example to:
PATH=.:$PATH xemacs -q

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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org>
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Subject: (maybe a) BUG in XEmacs 19.14/Linux
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XEmacs 19.14, Linux 2, a.out, libc 4.7.6, gcc 2.7.2, XFree 3.1.2e (S3)

if I compile after:
./configure i586-unknown-linuxaout --with-gcc \
--cflags='-pipe -O4 -fno-strength-reduce -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2
-malign-functions=2' \
--with-xpm --dynamic --rel-alloc \
--with-menubars=lucid  --with-dialogs=lucid

all seems good but if I also pass "--with-toolbars=no" to configure then
"C-h f" can not function properly anymore (the help text seems truncated),
even without striping temacs not the final xemacs binary

example of garbled help text obtained (complete buffer content reproduced):
-=-=-=-
global-set-key: (key command)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
buried buffer.
=-=-=-=

as a (maybe related) sidenote:
when "--with-toolbars=no" and "--with-scrollbars=none" are used together
the resulting binary abends.

see article:
-=-=-=-
From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org>
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Subject: 19.14 Linux  no toolbars nor scrollbar => abend
Date: 29 Jun 1996 00:37:14 +0200
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-=-=-=-

-- 
Nat    Linux

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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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Can anyone help me how to setup .emacs so that C indentation
 is automatically done like the following:
if I type 
i=a+b; ===> i = a + b;
if (i<j) ==> if ( i < j )
foo(a,b) ===> foo(a, b)

I am using Xemacs 19.14.

Thanks
- Sobhan
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From: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
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Subject: gnuserv solaris problem (abnormal exits)
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On solaris 2.5 (Ultra Sparc) when xemacs and gnuserv exits abnormally
(say when the power to my xterm fails), the OS does not free the tcp
port that gnuserv was using. Subsequent attempts to start the server
therefore fail. I haven't been able to identify a command to free up the
port. Does anyone know of one? (I know I can tell everybody to use a
different port number, but that's a bit of a pain).

Thanks
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I am running the precompiled sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks xemacs
19.14 on Solaris 2.5.  

I am trying to bring up xemacs in tty mode in one of my existing windows
and it just sits there.  Are there any known problems with this?
Am I doing something wrong?  

I have tried using the -nw switch as well as unsetenv DISPLAY.

Any advice is appreciated.



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From: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
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I always run with pending delete on (Xemacs 19.14). The problem is in
modes like C++ mode or tcl mode, the mode writers haven't taken this
into account when attaching functions to keys such as line-feed
(newline-and-indent) or [ (tcl-electric-char). Thus hitting control-j
when an area is selected doesn't delete the region before performing the
action. Please when writing modes, take pending delete into account for
functions attached to printable keys.

Thanks
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: starting VM without starting entire xemacs system
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This is not possible. VM is a subsystem of XEmacs that can't exist without
XEmacs. However, you should only be starting XEmacs once a day (or runnung
it countinuously) in the first place. Other programs can pass files to edit
to XEmacs using gnuserver/gnuclient/gnudoit.

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In XEmacs 19.14, I can't get font-lock to interrupt with C-g when it's
in the middle of fontifying a large file (or a medium sized file in a mode
that has complex or inefficient font-lock regexp's).

Sparc 20, SunOS 4.1.4, X11R5, 
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From: Andrew Jaffe <jaffe@hare.cita.utoronto.ca>
Subject: New [?] XEmacs 19.14 Dec Alpha movemail problems.
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Hi!

I noticed a new (Jul 22) version of XEmacs-19.14 for OSF3.2 on
ftp.xemacs.org this morning. I thought I remembered some traffic here
regarding a new binary kit that fixes some bugs, so I threw caution to
the wind, and downloaded the new version. Now, when I try to get new
mail in vm, I get the following message:

8442:/pear/jaffe/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/alpha-dec-osf3.2/movemail: 
	/sbin/loader: Fatal Error: cannot map libdnet.so

Doeas anyone know what's going on?

Thanks,

Andrew


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From: cpm@mlb.dmt.csiro.au (Chris Menzel)
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Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.newbridge.com> writes:

> To start VM, I usually start XEMACS-19.14 and press the mail button on the 
> tools bar.  I would like to be able to start VM without having to bring up
> the entire XEMACS system.  Is this possible?  Can this also be done for the
> mail portion of XEMACS?

Well, since vm is a package that runs under XEmacs, you have to bring
up XEmacs to bring up VM.  (And, after all, don't you wanna have
XEmacs available for replying, composing mail, etc?)  If the problem
is that XEmacs is loading lots of packages at start up that you don't
need for mail, you could, e.g., start XEmacs with different
configuration files that load packages selectively.  If all you want
is to have VM come up directly when you fire up XEmacs, type "xemacs
-f vm" at the command line.

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>>>>> "Greg" == Greg W Sternberg <gwstern@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> writes:

Greg> Hi,
Greg>    I'm a novice here so it's possible I missed the answer in the FAQ
Greg> (pointer there would be fine).  I'm monkeying around with .emacs
Greg> and in doing so I now generate the following compile log:
Greg>   !! Invalid read syntax ((")"))
Greg> This is all well and good but where is the invalid syntax ?  I looked
Greg> through the file and I didn't see anything obvious. (Least ways all
Greg> my "'s appeared with another "

(See part II of the FAQ, the troubleshooting section).
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_1_2

The error message you're getting is due to an imbalanced paren.

The best thing to do is to start XEmacs with the -q option, then load
your .emacs into a buffer, select Options/General Options/Debug on Error,
then M-x eval-current-buffer.

Another possibility for tracking this down is to reindent your .emacs
in emacs-lisp-mode.  Once you see some strange indentation you know
you've found your problem region.  (This technique works in all kinds
of different modes).  If you're not sure what the indentation is
supposed to look like, there are tons of examples in the run time lisp
directories.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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[Emailed & Posted, as per your request :-)]
>>>>> "Nat" == Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:

Nat> XEmacs 19.14, Linux 2, a.out, libc 4.7.6, gcc 2.7.2, XFree 3.1.2e (S3)
Nat> if I compile after:
 ...
Nat> all seems good but if I also pass "--with-toolbars=no" to configure then
Nat> "C-h f" can not function properly anymore (the help text seems truncated),
Nat> even without striping temacs not the final xemacs binary

This sounds as if you're getting the wrong doc file.  After you take
the toolbars out are you sure you're referencing the newly created doc
file, and not an old one?

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In article <joshi.837902428@sal>, Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in c but the
>interpreted language is elisp. If the language to write the editor and the
>language to program the editor are the same, extensions of the editor would
>be trivial.

This is nonsense.  Extensions to the editor would NOT be trivial any more than
extending the features of any other program written in a single high level
language are trivial.
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In article <4st1fj$me6@shellx.best.com>, Ben Wing <wing@666.com> wrote:
>In article <87pw5qs0y5.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
>Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:
>|Actually, most of the emacs front-end in written in Emacs-Lisp. The
>|C-code is only the very core of the Emacs system. 
>
>You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has around
>200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all of the lines
>of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.

But the point is that most of the code to support software development (and
other kinds of) editing functionality is written in emacs lisp.  Some
primative editing functionality is provided by the C code but the bulk of the
200K lines of C code provides access to underlying Unix processing and
provides access to most of the X Windows bells and whistles supported by
XEmacs.
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From: Sobhan K Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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I love Xemacs 19.14 except buffered key strokes. I press, DEL key or left arrow 
and it buffers up. I hate to see it do something when I release the key.
I am sure its possible to remove that with Xemacs.
Help please.
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From: Weiping Hu <whu@deakin.edu.au>
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Subject: How to change PATH

Hi.  I know this is a simple question, but how do you tell
xemacs-19.14 to change the environment variable PATH, or to search for
a specifi directory when it's trying to find an excutable? I keep a
lot of stuff in /usr/local/bin, but xemacs seems having difficulties
in finding them.  

TIA.

-weiping

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>>>>> On 20 Jul 96 22:40:28 GMT, joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) said:

  Anil> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in c
  Anil> but the interpreted language is elisp. If the language to
  Anil> write the editor and the language to program the editor are
  Anil> the same, extensions of the editor would be trivial.

In what way does Emacs suffer from the fact that its extension
language isn't the same as the implementation language?

I can think of no good reason where why two languages would have to be
the same.

kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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Subject: Re: x86 Solaris 2.4 binaries available (again).
Date: 22 Jul 1996 23:33:20 -0400
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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> The binaries have a major problem fixed with editing large files
> (turned out to be an optimizer bug).  Binaries with and without
> sparcworks support are available.
> 
> xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz
> xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz
> -- 
> Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
> XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
> Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
> Snail Mail: MPK16-305, 2550 Garcia Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94043-1100


I've just tried to compile xemacs-19.14 for X86 with Workshop
1.1. This is what I gave to config:

./configure --with-gcc=no  --with-gnu-make=no --dynamic \
--site-includes="/opt/local/X11/include /opt/local/include /opt/local/include/db /usr/dt/include" \
--site-libraries="/opt/local/X11/lib /opt/local/lib /usr/dt/lib" \
--prefix=/opt/local/XEmacs \
--site-runtime-libraries="/opt/local/X11/lib /opt/local/lib /usr/dt/lib /usr/openwin/lib" \
--with-xpm --with-xface --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png=gnuz --with-tooltalk \
--with-sparcworks --with-cde --with-sound=native

Every thing works great if I don't compile --with-sparcworks. CDE
works great. I can drag files into xemacs!  If I compile with the
sparcworks option. I get the following message:

Wrong type argument: stringp, nil.

It never gets to my .emacs file. Any hints on what I might be
missing. I did ln /opt/SUNWspro/bin/proworks to
/opt/SUNWspro/bin/sparworks. Used SparcWorks a lot under 19.13

Hope some one can help.

bill





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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> A command of the form `grep def.*auto-fill-mode */*.el' in the XEmacs
> lisp directory is what I use when I need to find a function.

Just found a better way: TAGS tables. If you do a 'make TAGS' in the
top source directory a giant tags table of all source and lisp is
built. I use the following code to enable it. So from an Apropos window
you can single-click straight to the source of a function or
variable, and M-. from within elisp. Takes a hell of a long time to
load, but then its fast and very convenient. Wish I knew about this a
while ago.


;; Define top-level source directory of XEmacs. Ought to derive it
;; from source-directory instead, which points to the /lisp subdir
(setq source-dir "/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/")
;; Enable tag lookup from Hypropos and elisp
(setq tag-table-alist
      (list (cons "\\*Hyper Apropos\\*" source-dir)
	    (cons source-dir source-dir)
	))


It would be nice if a LISP-only TAGS table was built as part of the
normal install process and put into the architecture-independent
distribution, and have tag-table-alist defined to enable it from hypropos.

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Subject: Re: x86 Solaris 2.4 binaries available (again).
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Bill Ricker <bricker@merlot.cc.emory.edu> writes:

> Every thing works great if I don't compile --with-sparcworks. CDE
> works great. I can drag files into xemacs!  If I compile with the
> sparcworks option. I get the following message:
> 
> Wrong type argument: stringp, nil.
> 
> It never gets to my .emacs file. Any hints on what I might be
> missing. I did ln /opt/SUNWspro/bin/proworks to
> /opt/SUNWspro/bin/sparworks. Used SparcWorks a lot under 19.13

Use the binaries on the ftp site or make sure $PATH has neither
leading, trailing or consecutive `:' characters.

-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
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Hi everybody,

I have stolen the uniquify.el of Emacs 19.31 to use it with XEmacs 19.14
but it doesn't work.

I get "Symbol's value as variable is void: list-buffers-directory" each tim=
e 
I try to open a file.

Is there somewhere another version of uniquify.el working with XEmacs 19.14=
 ?

Thanks in advance,

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Subject: Help...How can I redefine backspace in global map in 19.14?

Hello xemaxers....


	I recently upgraded to 19.14 from 19.13 and revealed
that my backspace key is mapped to delete-char function in
most modes instead of backward-delete-char-untabify as it was 
in 19.13. 
	When I replaced delbackspace.el by delbackspace.el
from 19.13 version the previous mapping of backspace key 
returned.
	Can I somehow keep new version of delbackspace.el file
and to remap backspace key in main modes to 
backward-delete-char-untabify ?...

Regards....


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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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Subject: Re: starting VM without starting entire xemacs system
Date: 23 Jul 1996 11:09:05 -0400
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> This is not possible. VM is a subsystem of XEmacs that can't exist without
> XEmacs. However, you should only be starting XEmacs once a day (or runnung
> it countinuously) in the first place. Other programs can pass files to edit
> to XEmacs using gnuserver/gnuclient/gnudoit.

And we will all do that when two things happen:

1) Xemacs becomes threaded.  Otherwise, right now you wait (and wait)
   for POP to read from a reluctant server or Gnus to read in the
   groups or font-lock to work on a large file or... or... or...

2) VM has to stop mucking up the toolbar on the left.  It should use
   the user preference and put its toolbar where the user specifies.
   Right now (as of 19.14) it assumes that it is the only one to have
   a toolbar on the left and will overload your tool bar on you,
   leaving you with an ugly frame and lots of invalid buttons for the
   buffer you are editting now.

I'm now running three (count them 3) Xemacsen.

1) For my real work (editting, compiling, some testing -- running HP's
   xdb under emacs is really painful, nowhere as nice as gdb or even
   dbx.  Just what was HP thinking?

2) A mail reader, so that vm (which is a great mail system) can do
   whatever it wants with the left toolbar and when the POP server
   gets balky it can wait patiently so that I can edit on.

3) A Gnus reader.  Unless you serve usenews locally you will have to
   wait for nntp.


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I've recently upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 from 19.13 (on Sparcstations
running Solaris 2.4 and 2.5), and only just realised that there is a
problem with the email headers.

The From line is correct, but the From: line is in a different format to
what it used to be, and now includes the machine name that I am running
xemacs on, so external users cannot reply to me unless I set the
'Reply-To:' header specifically.

I tried setting 'vm-mail-header-from', but this had no effect. 

At the moment I've set 'mail-default-reply-to' so that users can Reply
without problems, but I'd prefer to have the problem fixed.


xemacs-19.13 headers
--------------------
>From annr Wed Jun 26 12:04:34 1996
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:04:34 BST
From: annr (Ann Rautenbach 3267 Systems_Administrator)
To: joyce (Joyce Littlejohn 3568 Editor)
Subject: Re: clock

xemacs-19.14 headers
--------------------
>From annr Tue Jul 23 15:40:44 1996
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:40:44 BST
From: Ann Rautenbach 3267 Systems_Administrator <annr@doon>
To: ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk 

 

--- 
Ann Rautenbach
annr@ref.collins.co.uk
Systems Administrator
Bilingual Dictionaries 
Harper Collins Publishers
tel: 0141 306 3267
fax: 0141 306 3589

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How do you make gnuclient files appear in the default frame in 19.14 ?
I have a feeling this used to work (some variable was set or something)
but I can't find it in the documentation now.

Basically, in emacs I do gnuserv-start, then I have a shell program
which executes gnuclient -q <filename>.  I want the new file to appear
in the current emacs frame (or at least, I want all files selected in
this way to appear in the same frame).

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: Now, how large are other systems like emacs? I do not want to antagonize
: anybody, but it seems to me Oberon System packs more functionality 
: in less space, to put it mildly. 

I think the best summary of the situation with emacs I've seen is:
	EMACS is a *great* operating system, but UNIX has better editors!


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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

    Ben> In article <87pw5qs0y5.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
    Ben> Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:
    Ben> |>>>>> "Anil" == Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:

    Anil> Several things come to mind -

    Anil> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in
    Anil> c but the interpreted language is elisp. If the language to
    Anil> write the editor and the language to program the editor are
    Anil> the same, extensions of the editor would be trivial.

    Ben> |Actually, most of the emacs front-end in written in Emacs-Lisp. The
    Ben> |C-code is only the very core of the Emacs system. When you compile
    Ben> |emacs (if you ever did so), the last phase starts the impure (ie dumb,
    Ben> |mostly unusable) emacs, loads all the base libraries, and then dumps
    Ben> |the real emacs executable.

    Ben> You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has around
    Ben> 200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all of the lines
    Ben> of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.

A simple experiment from the top of Emacs 19.31 source tree:

	`cat elisp/*.el | wc' gives:
		358512   lines
		1541947  words
		13236474 bytes

	`find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs cat | wc' gives:
		210468  lines
		809203  words
		5967391 bytes

I've no XEmacs source around there, but the figures must be in the
same proportions. The ratio is over 2:1 in favor of elisp.  And in
these figures comes the windoze-nt, ms-dog and vms specific code, the
two X interfaces (oldXmenu and lwlib).

And I was just saying that even some very common functions (byte-run,,
indent, isearch, register, functions, as well as `newline',
`open-line', etc...) are actually coded in elisp.

Phil.

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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
> 
> This is not possible. VM is a subsystem of XEmacs that can't exist without
> XEmacs. However, you should only be starting XEmacs once a day (or runnung
> it countinuously) in the first place. Other programs can pass files to edit
> to XEmacs using gnuserver/gnuclient/gnudoit.

How can I write a script shell (in sh or csh) to edit a new file in the
current running xemacs (shell wich lets me doing the command
'edit foo.txt' for example)?

Thanks

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Why does the gnus coming with XEmacs 19.14 not work? It gives a beep and an
error message: "Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap "Message" 2 entries
0xa84>".

I have tried both on a precompiled Linux-ELF version, and on a SunOS 4.1.3
version I compiled (using gcc). On both cases X server is XFree86 3.1.2D (S3)
on Linux, if that is the reason (the D version of the XFree86 changed how the
keyboard is defined and the error was on a keymap).

Please help, it is not funny to read news using trn, when XEmacs is
available!

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From: fox@pt0204.pto.ford.com (Ken Fox)
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Peter K Wu <peter@columbia.edu> writes:
> Ben Wing wrote:
> 
> > Porting, however, is not nearly such a problem as you might think.
> > To rewrite XEmacs from scratch in Java would probably take at least
> > 10 times the effort as to port the existing C code to Win32; I wouldn't
> > be surprised if this number came to 20 times or more.
> 
> I don't think that the intention is to rewrite xemacs in Java.  IMO, it 
> would be to write a decent editor in java that has the extensibility and 
> capabilities of an emacs or xemacs.  We can steal the good ideas and 
> throw away the bad ones.  Some people don't like lisp (like me :-) so why 
> not allow people to extend this editor in something like Java or 

I don't know about other people, but when I decide to write an Emacs
extension, the fact that I have to use e-lisp is unrelated to the
decision to write the extension.  What it all comes down to is that
Emacs can do it and nothing else comes close.  Hell, even if Emacs used
Tcl, I'd still write extensions for it.  :-)

It seems to me that putting in an alternative extension language should
become easier when e-lisp is built on top of guile.  There has been a
lot of talk about guile compilation, including talk about making the
virtual machine Java bytecode compatible.  The process of compiling
e-lisp to scheme to a virtual machine should be where Java compatibility
comes in.  Maybe it would make more sense for the people wanting a "new
improved Java-based editor" to participate in the guile effort to ensure
that Java compatibility (at least at the vm level) is addressed?

I'm not opposed to progress, but throwing away Emacs and building a new
editor just like it (but written in Java so it must be better) seems
like a silly effort.  (But then again, I'm getting close to 30, so maybe
I've lost my "youthful impatience" as well... ;-)

BTW, when (yes, I know, I know, don't remind me about it...) the guile
code is ready, does the XEmacs team have plans to incorporate it?

- Ken

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>>>> 'Frederic Labrosse (labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca)' asked the following:

[snip]

 FL> How can I write a script shell (in sh or csh) to edit a new file in the
 FL> current running xemacs (shell wich lets me doing the command
 FL> 'edit foo.txt' for example)?

Here's what I do since by habit I *still* type 'vi' whenever I'm at a prompt,
even if I'm in a shell within Emacs:

  1) in my $HOME/.emacs file
       (gnuserv-start)

  2) in my $HOME/.kshrc file (I use Korn shell)
        alias vi=gnuclient
        export EDITOR=gnuclient

I *think* csh syntax would be:

  alias vi "gnuclient"
  setenv EDITOR gnuclient

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joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:
> 3. Once all the .el files are re-written in Java, they can be made applets, that can be served
> from mirror sites on demand. Everyone will get the latest and greatest .el (well, you may want to 
> call them Java applets) files from wherever.

This is probably the weak link of the proposal.  There are a number of
things that are very easy to do in Lisp, and hard or impossible in Java,
mostly because of the late-binding nature of Lisp.  Many of these
techniques are used in ELisp packages, e.g., anonymous lambdas, use of
map functions, use of results of arbitrary evaluation as function or
method identification, etc.

One good example is hook functions.  Here's one, taken from gnus.el:

        (defvar gnus-apply-kill-hook '(gnus-apply-kill-file)
          "*A hook called to apply kill files to a group.
        This hook is intended to apply a kill file to the selected newsgroup.
        The function `gnus-apply-kill-file' is called by default.
        
        Since a general kill file is too heavy to use only for a few
        newsgroups, I recommend you to use a lighter hook function.  For
        example, if you'd like to apply a kill file to articles which contains
        a string `rmgroup' in subject in newsgroup `control', you can use the
        following hook:
        
         (setq gnus-apply-kill-hook
              (list
        	(lambda ()
        	  (cond ((string-match \"control\" gnus-newsgroup-name)
        		 (gnus-kill \"Subject\" \"rmgroup\")
        		 (gnus-expunge \"X\"))))))")
        
I suppose you could design a HookFunction class, and subclass it for
each hook that called a different function internally (to replace the
lambda), but that would be a lot of work to use.

It's not that the functionality of Emacs or its Elisp packages couldn't
be implemented in Java, it's just that porting the existing packages
would be a major job, in many cases a complete re-write.  I personally
don't think it's worth the effort.  The return is more theoretical than
practical, especially as the result would run a lot slower until the
Java compilers got better, and the implementation was retuned for the
new execution environment (and yes, I know about JIT compiler
technology; it's standard in Lisp and Smalltalk systems and has been for
years; I also know just how much work it takes to get it to perform well).

Another objection is that if you get the elisp packages as applets, you
don't get the source code and the chance to hack them up and modify them
as you see fit.  That customizability is one of the charms of Emacs.
Again on a personal note, I like to code in Lisp, and Emacs is the only
chance I get to do that these days; Smalltalk and Java are what I can
get paid for.
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Ken Fox wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that putting in an alternative extension language should
> become easier when e-lisp is built on top of guile.

I don't see why it would be any easier; you could write a different
compiler *today* that used the current emacs bytecode interpreter.
The fact that the emacs-lisp compiler is written in emacs-lisp should
demonstrate that.  (Intercal, anyone?)

> There has been a lot of talk about guile compilation, including talk
> about making the virtual machine Java bytecode compatible.  The
> process of compiling e-lisp to scheme to a virtual machine should be
> where Java compatibility comes in.  Maybe it would make more sense for
> the people wanting a "new improved Java-based editor" to participate
> in the guile effort to ensure that Java compatibility (at least at the
> vm level) is addressed?

This strikes me as an efficiency issue: you could replace the current
emacs bytecode interpreter and runtime with something that was more
efficient, while still maintaining some amount of backward
compatibility.

But I would guess that to see any major efficiency improvements, you'd
have to replace the emacs GC as well.  And you'd have to do this without
breaking the API that all the C code in emacs painstakingly follows (all
that GCPRO nonsense.)

So, by wedding the Emacs kernel with a more modern conservative-GC
runtime, and with a more efficient bytecode engine, you could probably
end up with a really, really fast implementation of emacs-lisp that
maintained backward compatibility at the lisp level, and possibly also a
setup that allowed other extension languages to be used (like scheme.)

Maybe.

I suspect that the weight of history in the emacs code would get in the
way as it always has, and would impose big constraints on the way things
must be implemented; preventing more usable or more efficient ways of
doing things, because to change them would result in incompatibilities
with existing code.  Code that makes lots of assumptions about how
things work at a low level, because there had been lamentably few layers
of abstraction in place.

> I'm not opposed to progress, but throwing away Emacs and building a new
> editor just like it (but written in Java so it must be better) seems
> like a silly effort.

My reasons for thinking that it's time to start from scratch have
nothing to do with Java.  (There may be people out there with a
knee-jerk "Java for its own sake" mindset, but I'm not one of them.)

My reasons, rather, have everything to do with the belief that the
requirement to maintain backward compatibility with this particular 
code base, the Emacs libraries, stands in the way of progress.

Emacs needs a redesign.  Assumptions and optimizations and designs (and
associated burdens passed on to the programmer) that were useful fifteen
years ago are not necessarily useful today, and because of poor
abstraction, these assumptions cannot easily be replaced while
maintaining compatibility.  

Whether that redesign involves Java isn't really the most important
thing, as far as the goal of a better Emacs is concerned; it just seems
to me that, in such a redesign, there might be a lot of utility gained
by leveraging off of Java.  For example, by letting someone else
maintain (and optimize) the GC and language runtime, leaving the
maintainers of the editor/toolkit free to maintain the libraries and
applications which comprise it.

(Ben says that I'm on crack if I think any of this will actually happen.
Well, I don't think it will ever happen.  I just think it would be a
good idea.  Call me a crazy dreamer.)

-- 
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barmar@tools.bbnplanet.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

>In article <joshi.837902428@sal>, Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>3. Once all the .el files are re-written in Java, they can be made applets, that can be served
>>from mirror sites on demand. Everyone will get the latest and greatest .el (well, you may want to 
>>call them Java applets) files from wherever.

>There's no reason why this has to be dependent upon recoding in Java.
>What's to stop people from making .el and .elc files available over the net
>in the same way?  As with Java byte code, Emacs-Lisp byte code is
>machine-independent, so it can easily be distributed this way.  Emacs's
>loader would simply have to be extended to handle URL's, so you could do
>something like:

True. But I am thinking of the following scenario:

There are bound to be different versions of emacs (or application xyz)
at different places.

Somebody needs to have proper version control on all these
different versions floating around.

Java being the vehicle that people are using today, as the version
becomes a problem, Java would evolve to address this issue.

>(push "http://www.emacs-archive.com/pub/" load-path)
>-- 
>Barry Margolin
>BBN Planet, Cambridge, MA
>barmar@bbnplanet.com -  Phone (617) 873-3126 - Fax (617) 873-6351
>(BBN customers, please call (800) 632-7638 option 1 for support)

Anil

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Subject: Re: starting VM without starting entire xemacs system
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Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com> writes:

> And we will all do that when two things happen:
> 
> 1) Xemacs becomes threaded.  Otherwise, right now you wait (and wait)
>    for POP to read from a reluctant server or Gnus to read in the
>    groups or font-lock to work on a large file or... or... or...

By default font-lock gives up on files larger than font-lock-maximum-size
so that you never have to wait too long.
 
> 2) VM has to stop mucking up the toolbar on the left.  It should use
>    the user preference and put its toolbar where the user specifies.
>    Right now (as of 19.14) it assumes that it is the only one to have
>    a toolbar on the left and will overload your tool bar on you,
>    leaving you with an ugly frame and lots of invalid buttons for the
>    buffer you are editting now.

Try setting vm-toolbar-orientation.

--- alastair

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: (maybe a) BUG in XEmacs 19.14/Linux
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Steven L Baur writes:

> [Emailed & Posted, as per your request :-)]
[ Only posted, as per your abscence of request :-) ]
may Gnus live forever!

Nat> all seems good but if   I also pass "--with-toolbars=no" to  configure
Nat> then "C-h  f" can not function properly  anymore

> This sounds as if you're getting the wrong  doc file.  After you take the
> toolbars out are you sure you're referencing the  newly created doc file,

you are right: the new XEmacs one references an old doc file because I only
copy the binary, not the whole stuff.

how can the doc file index be affected in any way by recompilation of the
binary ?

-- 
Nat    Linux

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wing@666.com (Ben Wing) writes:

>(BTW Xt, AWT, and the Windows GUI API all rank near the top of my list
>of the most bogusly designed API's I've ever worked with.  What is it
>about windowing toolkits that makes it so impossibly difficult for people
>to design them intelligently?)

Have you looked at OS/2 API? This is supposed to be quite good.
But, if I can trust my memory, you were saying at one point that
"What is OS/2?". I sure hope you reconsider and implement
XEmacs for OS/2 (just like the WinEmacs for Win95/NT).

>ben

Anil

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>>>>> "BK" == Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca> writes:

    BK> I always run with pending delete on (Xemacs 19.14). The
    BK> problem is in modes like C++ mode or tcl mode, the mode
    BK> writers haven't taken this into account when attaching
    BK> functions to keys such as line-feed (newline-and-indent) or [
    BK> (tcl-electric-char). Thus hitting control-j when an area is
    BK> selected doesn't delete the region before performing the
    BK> action. Please when writing modes, take pending delete into
    BK> account for functions attached to printable keys.

I'm curious where/if you think cc-mode (C++ mode) is deficient?  I use
pending delete mode all the time, and I'm pretty sure cc-mode works
both with it (XEmacs) and delete-selection (Emacs).

If you're complaining about newline-and-indent (C-j) -- and indeed
it's not cooperating with pending-del -- then that's something the
(X)Emacs maintainers need to fix since it's part of the core library,
not part of cc-mode.

-Barry

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Subject: Re: Trouble with 19.14 & TTY mode
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"Steven P. Kuzmeski" <kuzmessp@pwhe.com> writes:

> I am running the precompiled sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks xemacs
> 19.14 on Solaris 2.5.  
> 
> I am trying to bring up xemacs in tty mode in one of my existing windows
> and it just sits there.  Are there any known problems with this?
> Am I doing something wrong?  
> 
> I have tried using the -nw switch as well as unsetenv DISPLAY.

Hmmm, I'm running the same version of 19.14 on 2.5.1 (similar to 2.5) and
things work OK.  What happens when you do "xemacs -nw -q"?

BTW, your email address (@pwhe.com) is messed up so I am unable to reply by
email.

-- 
Ed Goei
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From: Christian Goetze <cg@konishki.bigbook.com>
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Subject: trouble getting bison-mode to work
Date: 22 Jul 1996 16:20:56 -0700
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I've downloaded the bison-mode from Brandon S Allbery, but I have trouble
getting it to run. I get an "Invalid escape character syntax error" at
the line:

       (looking-at "[ \t]*\\(\s_\\|\sw\\)*[ \t]*[|:]")

What's wrong?
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From: Eric Vought <adfh@ids2.idsonline.com>
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> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in c but the interpreted language is
> elisp. If the language to write the editor and the language to program the editor are the same,
> extensions of the editor would be trivial.

Except for the fact that Richard Stallman would have a gnu, you could
write the editor in java and use tcl (and Sun's java<->tcl bridge) for
the extension language. I don't like the idea of using java for an
extension language because of the fact that its compiled. Its harder to
code interactively, which is what you want for a macro language.


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Philippe" == Philippe Troin <phil@sj-coop.net> writes:

Ben> You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has around
Ben> 200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all of the lines
Ben> of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.

Philippe> A simple experiment from the top of Emacs 19.31 source tree:

Philippe> 	`cat elisp/*.el | wc' gives:
Philippe> 		358512   lines
Philippe> 		1541947  words
Philippe> 		13236474 bytes

Philippe> 	`find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs cat | wc' gives:
Philippe> 		210468  lines
Philippe> 		809203  words
Philippe> 		5967391 bytes

Philippe> I've no XEmacs source around there, but the figures must be
Philippe> in the same proportions. The ratio is over 2:1 in favor of
Philippe> elisp.

>From the XEmacs 19.14 distribution:
$ find . -name "*.el" | xargs cat | wc 
 528304 2218548 19363332
			   528,304 lines
			 2,218,548 words
			19,363,332 bytes

$ find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs cat | wc
 275732 1035219 8045789
			  275,732 lines
			1,035,219 words
			8,045,789 bytes

Ben's point still stands though, there's over a quarter of a million
source lines of (c) code in XEmacs.
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>>>>> "Ann" == Ann Rautenbach 3267 Systems Administrator <annr@ref.collins.co.uk> writes:

Ann> The From line is correct, but the From: line is in a different
Ann> format to what it used to be, and now includes the machine name
Ann> that I am running xemacs on, so external users cannot reply to me
Ann> unless I set the 'Reply-To:' header specifically.

Try the following:
(setq user-mail-address "annr@ref.collins.co.uk")
(setq mail-host-address "ref.collins.co.uk")


FYI, this is documented in both the Gnus FAQ, and the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
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When can we stop this?  

I am reminded of when Ada came out, and everyone was proposing
re-writting everything in Ada.  

I was in a defense contractor at the time, and one of the Ada-struck
so desparently wanted to convert an existing, fully functional,
feature frozen program into Ada from C that he even hand translated
the parse.c output of yacc into Ada, as a yacc->Ada did not yet
exist...

Emacs works, leave it alone, or add whatever small extentions as yet
it does not have.

Now, if you do write something that accepts text, by all means
support the ^F^B^P^N interface!!

-mac
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I'm using 19.14 from tty.  I can edit the tex-mode face but don't know
how to make the new settings the default.  I've Is there a simple way
to do this?

Thanks in advance,
Tom


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When editing a file, say .tex, which I have copied from some source
and never edited before, there is either no or partial syntax 
colouring only. When I "touch" a line, by modifying something, however,
the colour comes up in that line.
Is there a way to force Xemacs to colour everything by default, 
according to the current mode?
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Eric Vought <adfh@ids2.idsonline.com> writes:

> 
> > 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in c but the interpreted language is
> > elisp. If the language to write the editor and the language to program the editor are the same,
> > extensions of the editor would be trivial.
> 
> Except for the fact that Richard Stallman would have a gnu, you could
> write the editor in java and use tcl (and Sun's java<->tcl bridge) for
> the extension language. I don't like the idea of using java for an
> extension language because of the fact that its compiled. Its harder to
> code interactively, which is what you want for a macro language.
> 
TCL instead of Lisp? This must be a joke - a bad joke :-)

Why should it be easier to write something in TCL instead of Lisp?
Is it because TCL has no braces around it's instructions? :-)


PS: I think TCL exists only, because the author of TCL has never heard 
    something about Lisp. 

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Subject: In 19.14 how do I get find-file to pick up filenames in a shell window?
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:38:40 -0500
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This is one of those "19.14 is great but" posts:

I run TCSH under Xemacs using the shell function.  In 19.13 I was able
to do an "ls" to get a list of files, then execute find-file (C-x
C-f), move the cursor over the file I wanted, click m2, and lo, the
file popped open.

In 19.14 however, Xemacs no longer recognizes filenames in the shell
window, so I have to revert to dired or copy/paste. 

 Is there a way I can get back to the 19.13 behavior, other than using
19.13?

 
--
 Jim

....................................................................
. Jim O'Connor               Fort Worth R & D Center, Motorola Inc .
.     An opinion can be argued with: a conviction is best shot.    .
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From: Richard Piper <rpiper@extro.ucc.su.oz.au>
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Subject: Fontlock mode in Latex-mode $ sign turns on highlighting
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I have been using xemacs 19.14 and in latex mode $ as in $1.00
turns on highlighting. I am sure that there is an easy way to
stop this but I have not been able to find it,

Any help would be appreciated.

Richard Piper

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From: garry@viper.inow.com (garry)
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Subject: Is there an sql-mode for Informix?
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Hi,

Does anyone know if there is an sql-mode that serves as a front end for 
Informix SQL? I used to use an sql-mode for Sybase & it made my editing 
and checking of SQL quite easy. 

TIA,

-garry

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Subject: Re: Help...How can I redefine backspace in global map in 19.14?
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Ronald Fischer writes:
 > gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com wrote:
 > > 
 > > Hello xemaxers....
 > > 
 > >         I recently upgraded to 19.14 from 19.13 and revealed
 > > that my backspace key is mapped to delete-char function in
 > > most modes instead of backward-delete-char-untabify as it was
 > > in 19.13.
 > >         When I replaced delbackspace.el by delbackspace.el
 > > from 19.13 version the previous mapping of backspace key
 > > returned.
 > >         Can I somehow keep new version of delbackspace.el file
 > > and to remap backspace key in main modes to
 > > backward-delete-char-untabify ?...
 > > 
 > > Regards....
 > On my xemacs, the new delbackspace.el works fine BUT I had to 
 > load-library it near the end of my .emacs, in particular after
 > having done all my global-key definition and the load-library
 > of cc-mode.el.
 > This observation was recently shared by another xemacs user.
 > 
 > -- 
 > -----------------------------------------------------------
 > Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
 > ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de

I tried putting (load-library "delbackspace") as the last string in
my .emacs after I read your message and it didn't help...
	May be somebody had the same problem?

Best regards... Yevgeny



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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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I tried to write an interactive function, which should save all buffers without asking
for confirmation and then quit emacs:

(defun save-all-wo-asking (interactive) (save-buffers-kill-emacs t))

On execution I get the error message
	wrong type argument: commandp, save-all-wo-asking
I suppose I made some very sily mistake, but can't figure it out...
-- 
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Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: How to make gnuclient files appear in default frame ?
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Neil Gall wrote:
: How do you make gnuclient files appear in the default frame in 19.14 ?
: I have a feeling this used to work (some variable was set or something)
: but I can't find it in the documentation now.

: Basically, in emacs I do gnuserv-start, then I have a shell program
: which executes gnuclient -q <filename>.  I want the new file to appear
: in the current emacs frame (or at least, I want all files selected in
: this way to appear in the same frame).

I had the same problem, and used the following fix in my
site-start.el:

  ;; Use the frame of the currently selected window for any new
  ;; file being read in via gnuclient.
  (setq gnuserv-frame (window-frame))

Function window-frame returns the frame that window WINDOW is on.
So this fixes the frame that gnuclient uses to the first frame opened
when XEmacs is started.

However, I think there should be a better way, because I actually want
function window-frame evaluated at the moment gnuclient is used, so
that the file appears in the frame of the currently selected window.
Maybe what is needed is a hook into some gnuserv.el function?

Does anybody have any suggestions ?

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Subject: help with nnfolder
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Hi all,
I'm trying to use nnfolder to read my mail. The problem I've encountered is
that Gnus (5.2.5) creates 2 news groups for the same file. The first is called
"nnfolder+archive:misc-news" and the second "nnfolder:misc-news".
I've tried to loose each of them by killing the group, but they each pop up
again. I've removed the .newsrc.eld file, and it didn't help.
what else is there to do?

this is my Gnus variable setting:

(defvar z-gnus-tmp-dir "~/News/tmp")
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnfolder "")))
(setq gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups "mail.misc\\|misc-news")
(setq nnmail-spool-file (concat z-gnus-tmp-dir "gnus-spool"))
(setq nnmail-crash-box (concat z-gnus-tmp-dir ".gnus-crash-box"))
(setq nnmail-tmp-directory z-gnus-tmp-dir)
(setq nnmail-delete-incoming t)
(setq nnmail-use-long-file-names t)
(setq nnmail-expiry-wait 'immediate)
(setq nnfolder-directory (concat gnus-directory "nnfolder"))
(setq nnfolder-get-new-mail t)
(setq nnfolder-ignore-active-file t)

-- 
Regards,

	Shlomo Mahlab

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: gnuserv.el broken
Date: 24 Jul 1996 06:44:13 GMT
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Andy Norman wrote:
: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen) writes:

: > Furthermore, I get a huge list of obsolete variables and functions
: > when compiling gnuserv.el: this should really be fixed.

: Most of the list of obsolete stuff is because the gnuserv code is
: conditionalised on the features and variables that it finds while running.
: The gnuserv.el file should work under older and different versions of GNU
: Emacs.  The warnings are mostly harmless.

OK, fair enough. However, since I also maintain good old GNU Emacs for
some of the more old-fashioned people here, I tried to byte-compile
gnuserv.el for GNU Emacs 19.31, and got an error for the following
line in function server-tty-find-file:

    (select-frame (make-frame nil device))

GNU emacs doesn't like the two arguments for make-frame, so just to
get it byte-compiled I had to change this into:

    (select-frame (make-frame))

This could have something to do with a fix Ben made:

   ; Ben Wing <wing@666.com> May/1996
   ; patch to get TTY terminal type correct.


Maybe this topic should be in the emacs newsgroup, but since it was
mentioned here I thought I just let you know.

--
Chris van Engelen
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From: Mark Moll <moll@cs.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Fontlock mode in Latex-mode $ sign turns on highlighting
Date: 24 Jul 1996 09:14:40 +0100
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>>> On July 24, Richard Piper (RP) wrote:
RP> I have been using xemacs 19.14 and in latex mode $ as in $1.00
RP> turns on highlighting. I am sure that there is an easy way to
RP> stop this but I have not been able to find it,

If you want a dollar sign, type `\$'. With `$' mathematical formulas are
bracketed.

-- 
Mark 

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Subject: makefile mode - '$' behavior changed in 19.14?
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In XEmacs 19.13, the makefile mode had a special binding to the '$'
character - as soon as I hit the $ sign, cursor jumps to the
mini-buffer and emacs would attemp to complete my typing with the
macros (variables) that it recognizes. It had its drawback, but it
was a nice feature. 

It seems to be gone from 19.14.

Am I right, or was I using a private, unsupported version of
makefile.el?

Thanks.

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I have a weird problem: I use SCCS on a makefile. I use font-lock.

When I check out the file to edit it, I get this warning:

(1) (error/warning) Error in `pre-idle-hook' (setting hook to nil): (void-function makefile-space-face)

If I use the same setup logged in as another user which has no
.emacs and start emacs with -q -no-site-file, I don't get this
problem, so I'm pretty sure that something in my (too) complex setup
is causing the problem. Question is, how to proceed.

Thanks
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From: Pieter Rijken <pieter@rulil0.LeidenUniv.nl>
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Subject: solved strange xemacs-19.14 problem
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Hi,

I just solved a strange problem with xemacs-19.14 on my
linux-machine (someone else posted the same problem a few
weeks ago, I forgot who). The problem was that xemacs did not pop up a
window when using it under XFree86-3.1.2 (also no warning or
error messages). It was ok when xemacs
was started with the option -nw. The strange thing was that when
I fired up xemacs while a ppp-connection was present it gave
me an x-window!
Although I'm running xemacs on a stand-alone machine (no network)
xemacs didn't like that there were no files /etc/hosts and
/etc/host.conf. After making these files:

/etc/hosts:
localhost	127.0.0.1

/etc/host.conf:
order	hosts

Now I'm a happy xemacs user again ! :-)

Pieter

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Ronald Fischer wrote:
> (defun save-all-wo-asking (interactive) (save-buffers-kill-emacs t))

How about

(defun save-all-wo-asking () (interactive) (save-buffers-kill-emacs t))
                          ^^
                            hi, there!

Bye,
Thomas

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Giessen
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In article <joshi.838156397@sal>, Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
|wing@666.com (Ben Wing) writes:
|
|>(BTW Xt, AWT, and the Windows GUI API all rank near the top of my list
|>of the most bogusly designed API's I've ever worked with.  What is it
|>about windowing toolkits that makes it so impossibly difficult for people
|>to design them intelligently?)
|
|Have you looked at OS/2 API? This is supposed to be quite good.
|But, if I can trust my memory, you were saying at one point that
|"What is OS/2?".

I was?  I've been vaguely following the development of OS/2 since the
days it first came out ...  This was before I had any experience with
Unix, so my mind wasn't poisoned against MS products :)

Granted, though, I don't know much about the OS/2 GUI API, although last
time I looked at it (this would have been in the days of OS/2 v1.2, I
think), it looked very similar to the Win 3.1 API.

|I sure hope you reconsider and implement
|XEmacs for OS/2 (just like the WinEmacs for Win95/NT).

I have no objection to XEmacs for OS/2.  It's just a matter of no
one having the time to do it.  This is the same reason why there's no
XEmacs for Windows 95/NT (certainly a much bigger market than OS/2).
Win-Emacs was something I did in a past life, so to speak, and it's
quite behind the times (still based on Lucid Emacs 19.6).

ben

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I have recently started writing HTML documents (to be viewed in
Netscape), and psgml mode is great for this, but I'm not sure how to
setup some of the things I need.

As a publisher of bilingual dictionaries, we need to use accented
characters and publishing symbols. Most of the accented characters I can
create in XEmacs directly, but I need to access other characters and
symbols such ISO_8879:1986/entities/ISOpub, and I'm not sure how this is
done.

If someone could give me some hints, or point me in the direction of
more information (the psgml documentation seemed to require prior
knowledge of sgml and DTDs) that would be great.

I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 Sun.

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From: abiven@simulog.fr (Frederic Abiven)
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       Hello,


Jim O'connor <joconnor@ftw.mot.com> writes:

> 
> This is one of those "19.14 is great but" posts:
> 
> I run TCSH under Xemacs using the shell function.  In 19.13 I was able
> to do an "ls" to get a list of files, then execute find-file (C-x
> C-f), move the cursor over the file I wanted, click m2, and lo, the
> file popped open.
> 
> In 19.14 however, Xemacs no longer recognizes filenames in the shell
> window, so I have to revert to dired or copy/paste. 
> 
>  Is there a way I can get back to the 19.13 behavior, other than using
> 19.13?

Yes, you must add in your .emacs (or default.el) :

;;----------------------------------------------------------------------
;; from <abiven@simulog.fr>
(setq minibuffer-smart-completion-tracking-behavior t)
(fset 'minibuffer-mouse-tracker 'minibuffer-smart-mouse-tracker)
(fset 'minibuffer-maybe-select-highlighted-completion
      'minibuffer-smart-maybe-select-highlighted-completion)

;; from <fyoung@csfp.co.uk> (ange-ftp bug)
(defun minibuffer-smart-select-kludge-filename (string)
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer mouse-grabbed-buffer) ; the minibuf
    ;; (let ((kludge-string (append (buffer-string) string)))
    (let ((kludge-string (concat (buffer-string) string)))
      (if (or (and (fboundp 'ange-ftp-ftp-path)
		   (ange-ftp-ftp-path kludge-string))
	       (and (fboundp 'efs-ftp-path) (efs-ftp-path kludge-string)))
	   ;; #### evil evil evil, but more so.
	   string
	 (append-expand-filename (buffer-string) string)))))
;;----------------------------------------------------------------------


Beware, don't use with ange-ftp !

comment excerpt from "lisp/prim/minibuf.el" :

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;;                      "Smart minibuffer" hackery                    ;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;;; ("Kludgy minibuffer hackery" is perhaps a better name)

;; This works by setting `mouse-grabbed-buffer' to the minibuffer,
;; defining button2 in the minibuffer keymap to
;; `minibuffer-smart-select-highlighted-completion', and setting the
;; mode-motion-hook of the minibuffer to `minibuffer-mouse-tracker'.
;; By setting `mouse-grabbed-buffer', the minibuffer's keymap and
;; mode-motion-hook apply (for mouse motion and presses) no matter
;; what buffer the mouse is over.  Then, `minibuffer-mouse-tracker'
;; examines the text under the mouse looking for something that looks
;; like a completion, and causes it to be highlighted, and
;; `minibuffer-smart-select-highlighted-completion' looks for a
;; flagged completion under the mouse and inserts it.  This has the
;; following advantages:
;;
;; -- filenames and such in any buffer can be inserted by clicking,
;;    not just completions
;;
;; but the following disadvantages:
;;
;; -- unless you're aware of the "filename in any buffer" feature,
;;    the fact that strings in arbitrary buffers get highlighted appears
;;    as a bug
;; -- mouse motion can cause ange-ftp actions -- bad bad bad.
;;
;; There's some hackery in minibuffer-mouse-tracker to try to avoid the
;; ange-ftp stuff, but it doesn't work.
;;


-- 

#include <std_disclaimer.h>
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In article <87g26kk7gq.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:
|A simple experiment from the top of Emacs 19.31 source tree:
|
|	`cat elisp/*.el | wc' gives:
|		358512   lines
|		1541947  words
|		13236474 bytes
|
|	`find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs cat | wc' gives:
|		210468  lines
|		809203  words
|		5967391 bytes
|
|I've no XEmacs source around there, but the figures must be in the
|same proportions. The ratio is over 2:1 in favor of elisp.  And in
|these figures comes the windoze-nt, ms-dog and vms specific code, the
|two X interfaces (oldXmenu and lwlib).

True, but those extra pieces of code aren't much -- witness XEmacs
which doesn't have much NT, MS-DOS, or VMS code, and still has
(by your count) 275,000 lines of C code.

|And I was just saying that even some very common functions (byte-run,,
|indent, isearch, register, functions, as well as `newline',
|`open-line', etc...) are actually coded in elisp.

The E-Lisp counts are misleading because the vast majority of that code
is non-essential stuff such as VM, RMAIL, GNUS, etc.  In a typical
Emacs session where you're editing (say) a bunch of C files, you're
actually using a lot more C code than E-Lisp code.

ben

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In article <4t055i$26h@sun001.spd.dsccc.com>,
Kevin Gallagher <kgallagh@spd.dsccc.com> wrote:
|In article <4st1fj$me6@shellx.best.com>, Ben Wing <wing@666.com> wrote:
|>In article <87pw5qs0y5.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
|>Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:
|>|Actually, most of the emacs front-end in written in Emacs-Lisp. The
|>|C-code is only the very core of the Emacs system. 
|>
|>You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has around
|>200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all of the lines
|>of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.
|
|But the point is that most of the code to support software development (and
|other kinds of) editing functionality is written in emacs lisp.  Some
|primative editing functionality is provided by the C code but the bulk of the
|200K lines of C code provides access to underlying Unix processing and
|provides access to most of the X Windows bells and whistles supported by
|XEmacs.

There is actually a lot more code to do editing functionality than you
think -- 3/4 of the code, easily, is devoted to non-Unix/X-specific stuff
that would have to exist in any complete implementation on any platform,
even if the system-dependent stuff were handled by Java.

ben

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In article <4st4d1$ep2@shellx.best.com>, Ben Wing <wing@666.com> wrote:
|In article <31F0140E.6956@netscape.com>,
|Jamie Zawinski  <jwz@netscape.com> wrote:
||David Kastrup wrote:
||> 
||> That explains why calc does not work under XEmacs, but not why it will
||> not work for Emacs 19.30.
||
||True.  I've been completely out of touch with what's going on on the FSF
||branch of the emacs tree for two years now; perhaps they finally saw the
||light and abstracted the event model like we did years before (it
||wouldn't be the first time.)
|
|Nope ...  RMS has made no major architectural changes to Emacs in years.

Mmm ... well I guess this comment is hyperbole.  There have been some
architectural changes since 1993 (the release of FSF Emacs 19) -- e.g.
the addition of multiple-device support, the lazy-loaded byte-code stuff --
but the vast majority of the architecture has seen little updating.

ben

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In article <31F5407C.60E3@netscape.com>,
Jamie Zawinski  <jwz@netscape.com> wrote:
|
|But I would guess that to see any major efficiency improvements, you'd
|have to replace the emacs GC as well.  And you'd have to do this without
|breaking the API that all the C code in emacs painstakingly follows (all
|that GCPRO nonsense.)
|
|So, by wedding the Emacs kernel with a more modern conservative-GC
|runtime, and with a more efficient bytecode engine, you could probably
|end up with a really, really fast implementation of emacs-lisp that
|maintained backward compatibility at the lisp level, and possibly also a
|setup that allowed other extension languages to be used (like scheme.)

Hmm ...  when I first heard about conservative garbage collectors, it
seemed like really a cool idea, but the more I think about it, the less
I like it.  In particular, unless there's something I'm missing,
conservative garbage collectors will fail to ever reclaim circular
data structures, which seems like a fatal flaw to me given how common
it is to have two related structures with pointers to each other.
The current mark-sweep garbage collector may not be that efficient but
it collects everything -- you can let your XEmacs run for weeks and it
won't get appreciably larger, esp. if you have rel-alloc turned on.

However, it would probably be a good idea to have conservative garbage
collection for the C stack.  That would eliminate those horrendous
GCPRO's.

|I suspect that the weight of history in the emacs code would get in the
|way as it always has, and would impose big constraints on the way things
|must be implemented; preventing more usable or more efficient ways of
|doing things, because to change them would result in incompatibilities
|with existing code.  Code that makes lots of assumptions about how
|things work at a low level, because there had been lamentably few layers
|of abstraction in place.

I think it's acceptable to break a certain amount of bad code in exchange
for improved efficiency.  I imagine that you could find a point where
you haven't had to sacrifice very much efficiency in the name of the
"weight of history", and still get most existing code working.

After all, we did that in the past -- e.g. not making keymaps be lists --
and we survived OK.

|Emacs needs a redesign.  Assumptions and optimizations and designs (and
|associated burdens passed on to the programmer) that were useful fifteen
|years ago are not necessarily useful today, and because of poor
|abstraction, these assumptions cannot easily be replaced while
|maintaining compatibility.  

Actually, there's been a surprising amount of updating to the XEmacs
code base since you last worked on it.  I've felt no compunctions in
doing major redesigning of the internals, and the current code base
in XEmacs 19.14 has little in common with Lucid Emacs 19.10.

|(Ben says that I'm on crack if I think any of this will actually happen.
|Well, I don't think it will ever happen.  I just think it would be a
|good idea.  Call me a crazy dreamer.)

We can all dream ...  I may be even crazier for thinking that it's
possible to achieve most of you'd like to see out of a complete redesign,
but do it incrementally, so that it actually gets done.  For example,
someone (Tonny Madsen, in Denmark) is currently doing a major redesign
of the XEmacs object system, firstly so that Lisp primitives (i.e. written
in C) can be dynamically loaded from shared libraries, and eventually
with the intention of implementing something like CLOS (although perhaps
only with single inheritance) in E-Lisp.  Someone else has expressed
interest in changing the scoping to lexical, and fixing up the byte
compiler and interpreter.  There's a good chance that these will actually
happen, and won't end up breaking too much existing code.


ben

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In article <3046989757683698@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|[Ben Wing]
|
||   BTW where did you hear about this?  From RMS?  Perhaps you should try to
||   get both sides of the story before ranting on like this.
|
|no, Ben, RMS is not behind everything evil in this world.  please try to
|think about the things that are before your eyes; it's a message from me,
|OK?  you do not like it, but it is not from Richard M. Stallman, OK?  are
|you with me, still?  do you realize that I am not writing on behalf of and
|that I am not under the influence of Richard M. Stallman at this time?  do
|you?  goooood!  we're making progress, here!  now, can you stop thinking
|about "RMS" for the next 60 seconds.  there, there.  I'm sorry I mentioned
|the three evil letters, but we _have_ to stop your paranoid delusions.
|please relax, please understand that you are overreacting, and that you
|_can_ react in a different way.  this message is _not_ harmful to you, it
|is not out to get you, it will not hurt you at all, unless _you_ want it
|to, and you can want it _not_ to.  OK?  are you able to read further now
|without blaming "him" for everything you don't like?  let's try!

Look, there's no need for this level of flaming.  I may have been harsh
in my response to you, but I think your response goes way way overboard.
The reason for my flames was that you made a lot of derogatory statements
about XEmacs and the XEmacs developers, and many of your accusations
were incorrect.  I apologize if I was a bit incendiary, but isn't it
better in general to try to calm the incipient flames rather than fan
them further?

||   |me, I would like to see a Common Emacs Lisp that could compile into
||   |both byte code and Emacs-internal C, such that those things that are
||   |more solid may be compiled to C, and those that need to be tweaked can
||   |be moved back and forth between the C/Lisp "barrier".  Emacs Lisp is
||   |not powerful enough to do this today, but that is _my_ vision for
||   |Emacs.
||   
||   There is absolutely no way that such a sceme could be made to work.
|
|several other XEmacs users and package developers have become very
|enthusiastic about this suggestion.  I'm curious whether you would have
|rejected this so utterly without thought if it had come from somebody who
|was not (in your delusional mind) associated with RMS and his evil.
|
|the most curious thing about this "there is absolutely no way it could be
|made to work"-scheme is that this is not unlike how many Lisp compilers
|work, how a commercial company is working to provide a compiler from Common
|Lisp into idiomatic C, and how I and others write code in C through heavy
|Emacs functions _today_, to be relieved of the stupidity of C.
|
|"there is absolutely no way that such a scheme could be made to work" goes
|right up there with "spouting pure RMSspeak".  you are sick, Ben.  _sick._

Whatever you say.  My point was not that it's impossible to compile E-Lisp
into C (which it isn't), but that trying to hook this into Emacs is
potentially nightmarish given the complexity of Emacs, and that it would
be very difficult to debug.

Although now that I think about it more, it might not be so bad as I think.


||   Indeed it can, and our implementation of the lazy-loading stuff is
||   cleaner and less buggy than at least the 19.30 implementation.
|
|are you at it _again_?  do I have any _reason_ to _believe_ any of your
|incessant and self-serving carping about faults in Emacs and with RMS?  to
|be really honest with you, I don't; I think you're full of shit, and that
|anything that Emacs or RMS did that was better than what you did would
|_still_ be vilified and attacked by you.
|
|you deserve nothing _but_ "complete non-cooperation", Ben Wing.
|
|now, those are not my final word, but it's not up to me to make a move,
|here.  Ben is just about as irrational and unapproachable as anything I
|have heard about RMS, which I have found stringent in his requirements, but
|perfectly reasonable to work with.  I guess I don't think I'm so smart that
|I'm willing to go off and create a whole new branch of Emacs just to get my
|own will.  or so full of shit that I can't cooperate with others.  but you,
|Ben, _you_ are the one who is impossible to cooperate with here.
|
|go back to your paranoid delusions and blame RMS for anything you want.
|who cares, anyway?

Boy, that's an incredible amount of flames for one simple sentence on my
part.  Although that sentence may be rather snippy, it's true -- the
C part of the implementation of the lazy-loading stuff in Emacs 19.30 was
very poorly written, and it failed to work in a number of common situations
(e.g. you couldn't dump E-Lisp files that had been byte-compiled with
lazy-loading).

In general, my frustrations with RMS result not so much from paranoid
delusions or some self-serving assholeness or whatever else you feel
it necessary to accuse me of, but from having spent countless hours trying
to work out a merge of FSF Emacs and XEmacs, and countless more hours
rewriting RMS's code, and countless more hours trying to figure out ways
to remain compatible with FSF Emacs after RMS went yet again and made
a change to FSF Emacs that ignored prior work along the same lines in XEmacs.

Would it hearten you to know that I spent far more time than anyone else
trying to work out the details of a merge between FSF Emacs and XEmacs
with RMS?

ben

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Andrew Jaffe wrote:
> I noticed a new (Jul 22) version of XEmacs-19.14 for OSF3.2 on
> ftp.xemacs.org this morning. I thought I remembered some traffic here

I still see the old version (Jun 23) for DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 in 
ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs ???

Any hints where the new version is?

TIA,
Thomas

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I actually thing I saw the answer flash by on this list a while back,
but of course forgot to save it. 

Xemacs 19.14   filladapt 2.08    (basically, the straight distribution)

I use comment blocks of the style

/*****
 * text
 *
 * more text, etc.
 *****/

When filladapt fill the block it drops all of the "*" except for the
first.  I just want to disable this bullet in cc-mode (cause I
actually do use the bullet in other places (text, mail).  I was unable
to even find where the bullet is defined (my regexp is VERY weak).  

How do I do this?  Also is there any way to have cc-mode turn on
autofill when in comment and not in code? 

Thanks in advance.


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From: Paul Stodghill <stodghil@cs.cornell.edu>
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Subject: Conservative GC (was Re: emacs rewritten in java ?)
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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

    Ben> In particular, unless there's something I'm
    Ben> missing, conservative garbage collectors will fail to ever reclaim
    Ben> circular data structures, ...

You seem to be under the impression that conservative GC can't ``mark'' the
heap. Marking can be done, and is done, in a manner very similar to
conventional GC's. It just has to be done conservatively.

The problems with conservative GC are that

o All pointers must be visible to the collector. No pointer XOR'ing
  allowed.
o Existing implementations do not interact with other memory management
  systems (ie, the system's malloc/free) very well.

When it works, it works _really_ well, and it's a _really_ nice tool for
the C or C++ programmer.

GC FAQ
    http://www.centerline.com/people/chase/GC/FAQ

Hans Boehm's conservative GC,
    ftp://parcftp.xerox.com/pub/gc/gc.html

I think that Guile uses conservative GC...

Followups to comp.lang.misc, because I can't think of any better place to
send them.
-- 
Paul Stodghill <stodghil@cs.cornell.edu>
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/stodghil/home.html

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In article <3046986588611787@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|[Ben Wing]
|you may find that the vast, vast majority of programmers are willing to
|listen and learn if you don't brand them as bad before you have even tried.
|(the _minority_ of programmers who are stubborn assholes will never get it
|right no matter what you tell them.)  "protecting" a project like XEmacs
|from "bad programmers" tells people that they are allowed to make only
|"safe" contributions and that you don't trust them not to clobber your
|code, as if any amount of encapsulation short of binary distributions could
|really protect you.  if this is your rationale for encapsulation, I'd say
|it is wholly invalid reasoning.

This isn't what I meant.  What I meant was that if you expose the
implementation, not everyone will figure out what they are and aren't
supposed to be depending on.  If you encapsulate and hide the implementation,
then people who are doing something wrong will become aware of it more
quickly.

For example, I've seen countless amounts of code that assumed that keymaps
were lists, and tried to nconc and such to work with them.  This is in
fact one of the most commonly encountered problem when converting code
from FSF Emacs to XEmacs.  If keymaps had been implemented from the beginning
using a separate data type, there would have been no such problem with this.
As it is, it's quite difficult to convert FSF Emacs to use an abstract
keymap type, as XEmacs does.  There are lots of good reasons for doing this:
e.g. in XEmacs, we have hash tables inside the keymaps to greatly speed
up reverse lookup and such.

I'm seeing this same principle at work right now at the company I work
for, where I'm helping to write a VRML toolkit.  Java makes it easy to
add lots of encapsulation and protection, and for the most part the toolkit
is very good about this, but in the few cases where we accidentally
exposed something that shouldn't be exposed, as often as not someone
went ahead and used that functionality. (Nearly always incorrectly --
their app broke, and they thought they had found a bug in the toolkit.)

|read the XEmacs FAQ over again; compare it with what you know about both
|branches.  if it seems to be accurate in its description of Emacs, you
|don't know what has gone on.  if you find a need to amend the FAQ to be
|more accurate after reading it, that would be very helpful.  in fact, I
|suggested as much, did I not?
|
|I don't know XEmacs very well (I dislike the display intensely -- I have a
|monochrome display by choice, and I don't like lots of fonts, either -- I
|guess I'm not the rad hip color font dudes you want to attract), but I do
|know Emacs, and I do know that some of what that FAQ says about Emacs is
|wrong.  it should just be fixed without anybody having to defend their
|pride.  if, however, XEmacs thing is really about hubris and personal
|pride, please be honest enough to say so.

Steve has already responded to this.  If you think there's something
specific that needs to be changed, by all means let him know.  I haven't
read through the FAQ in depth (and the reading I have done has mostly
been to check for omissions and errors in sections 2 - 5).  I presume
you're talking about the stuff in section 1.

||   BTW we are not "far behind schedule".  In general we track things
||   fairly closely; we are only behind schedule at all due to lack of
||   programmer time and the complete noncooperation we continue to get from
||   RMS.
|
|I'm inclined to think that this "complete noncooperation" accusation is not
|quite as clear-cut in your favor as you imply it is, nor that your defense
|of why and how you are behind schedule is entirely honest.

Why not?  We have no particular reason not to track changes from XEmacs,
and lots of good reasons to do so.  It really is a huge amount of work
to integrate patches from FSF Emacs -- I'm sure you're aware of the
size of the diffs between just 19.30 and 19.31, for example.  Chuck
can attest to the amount of time I spent merging stuff from 19.30.

It's a fact, however, that far more code has gone from FSF Emacs to
XEmacs than vice-versa.  Now RMS may give you a good reason for this --
i.e. that he doesn't want to look at XEmacs code due to legal-papers
issues -- but it doesn't change the facts.  My statement about
non-cooperations refers to the amount of stuff added to FSF Emacs after
similar things were already in XEmacs, without RMS so much as mentioning
this to the XEmacs developers.  It wasn't until I started bothering him
about this that he passed a few proposals to me before implementing
them, and the amount of stuff that has come my way has still been
very little.  I've asked RMS many times to look more closely at the
XEmacs code before implementing things in FSF Emacs, but he has been
fairly reluctant to do so -- perhaps again for legal-papers reasons.

|I have not been out to attack XEmacs or you or your cat or anything else
|personal to you.  I'm attacking the stupidity of the hostilities.  I'm
|annoyed by the fact that what the XEmacs FAQ and other documents from the
|XEmacs "camp" say about Emacs is _wrong_, and I'm alarmed that you defend
|them.  I'm annoyed by what I find to be calls for premature and hasty
|encapsulation when such is _worse_ than overdue encapsulation.  the whole
|split is evidence to that: if things had been _less_ encapsulated in Emacs,
|you wouldn't have needed to go make new _incompatible_ "internals" the way
|you have.  if things were encapsulated _right_, you could have changed the
|internals and not have had to change the external interfaces.  right?  the
|problem with encapsulation is, in brief, that some people must define it
|and they may be the wrong people, and even if they are the right people,
|they might go wrong.  sometimes, it is better not to write things in stone.
|I'd like you guys to consider that argument, and not only think in terms of
|what you think is smartest today.  optimization increases the distance
|between solutions.  even good C programmers have yet to discover that.
|Lisp programmers have known it for decades.

I'm still confused about your points about encapsulation.  I have never
had any complaints about anything in FSF Emacs that could be called
"premature encapsulation".  All of my problems with it have resulted
from the *lack* of encapsulation, viz:

-- representing keymaps as lists
-- representing chars as ints
-- representing events as ints, conses, etc.
-- representing char tables (case tables, syntax tables, etc.) as vectors

Again, I don't understand what you mean when you say "the whole
split is evidence to that: if things had been _less_ encapsulated in Emacs,
you wouldn't have needed to go make new _incompatible_ "internals" the way
you have." If those above data structures had been encapsulated in *any*
way, our life would have been much easier.

|if you have a personal need to dismiss criticism because you "get a
|feeling" or think people are "spouting pure RMSspeak", that may actually
|point the way in understanding why this alleged "complete noncooperation"
|exists in the first place.  I don't know the reasons for such a personal
|need, but it does seem pregnantly present in your style.  I had hoped to be
|able to talk with you about XEmacs and some things that I would like to see
|in either or both Emacsen, but that seems a long shot, now.  I regret the
|fact that I have offended you, but you have also taken offense where none
|was intended, and I'm frankly taken a bit aback by your attitude.

Well, getting to know me by publicly posting derogatory and factually
incorrect remarks about XEmacs is certainly not a very productive outlet.
Why didn't you e-mail me privately and introduce yourself?  You at least
seem to know who I am.  When I flamed you, I had no idea who you were --
I assumed you were some random person injecting their ill-informed two
cents into the fray, esp. since many of your statements about XEmacs are
incorrect.  I'm still not sure who you are, although I assume now that
you're one of the maintainers of FSF Emacs.  I apologize for not tracking
this more closely -- I've been busy with other stuff for months.  It's not
been easy to keep track of who's authoring what for FSF Emacs -- as far as
I know, there's not any listing of "we're the authors of FSF Emacs" like
there is for XEmacs.  My knowledge of who's authoring stuff for FSF Emacs
comes primarily from the FSF Emacs change logs (which admittedly I haven't
been following for the last six months or so), and those included mostly
RMS (the only one making significant changes to the system-independent
internals), Karl Heuer (various changes here and there), and a few people
working on the MS-DOS and Win32 ports.

I would actually welcome the opportunity for more cooperation with the
FSF Emacs authors -- I gave up long ago with RMS after about 300 e-mail
messages (no exaggeration).

|you may have technical reasons for your technical comments, but keep them
|technical.  if you have personal comments, snide remarks, attitude problems
|or whatever, keep them to yourself, OK?  I had good reasons to want to work
|with XEmacs after a long phone call on Friday, but you took away a large
|fraction of my motivation.  please tell me _why_ I should want to work to
|benefit you, directly or indirectly, and tell me whether _you_ have done
|anything _constructive_ about cooperation.

I'm sorry if I've turned you away from working with XEmacs.  This was
really not my intention.  I'm simply not one to mince my words, and
you have to realize the extent of the bitterness that I've accumulated
as a result of hours of fruitless talks with RMS, feeling again and again
that I was beating my head against the wall talking with someone who,
despite my best efforts, continued again and again to (seemingly
intentionally) misread or selectively hear what I was saying.

|BTW, here's an issue of design that I found particularly ugly in XEmacs:
|
|the "specifier" in XEmacs is an attempt at generalizing the global and
|buffer-local variables in Emacs, which would have been a good idea, but the
|interface is horrendously complex -- it looks like it has been designed by
|one who is madly in love with static typing.  I mean, whatever made you
|_need_ `make-specifier' and `make-specifier-and-init'?  what made you think
|that seperate <type>-specifier-p for all kinds of <type>s was a good idea?
|whoever _thinks_ that way in Lisp, anyway?  aren't you using compiler
|macros to do away with constants?  whoever designed this ugly interface
|must have been ignorant of prior art and certainly completely ignorant of
|type specifiers in Common Lisp.  I don't say this as an Emacs fan og Emacs
|Lisp programmer -- I say it as a Common Lisp programmer.  specifiers in
|XEmacs _stink_ as far as interface and encapsulation goes.  it was the
|first thing I took a serious look at at the request of a friend, and I'm
|sorry to see such a design hailed as superior to _anything_.  I counted 48
|functions to handle specifiesr in the manual, and no trace of an effort to
|use existing functions.  if this is typical of XEmacs' "encapsulation", I
|prefer to do without it, thank you.

OK, I'm the guilty party who designed this.  Of all the things in XEmacs
that I designed, specifiers are far and away the thing that I'm the
most dissatisfied with.  I agree that they're horrendously complex, and
I even get confused myself sometimes when working with them.  But trust
me, I've thought again and again about better ways of doing this, and
I simply can't come up with any solution that's better and still satisfies
the two constraints that motivated the specifier design:

-- It must not involve running any E-Lisp (if not for this, we could
   throw away 95% of the complexity; but for performance and other reasons,
   it's infeasible to run any E-Lisp in any code that needs to be called
   frequently from redisplay)
-- It must provide a reasonable way of handling simultaneous display of
   (e.g.) TTY frames, mono X frames, and color X frames.

Note that FSF Emacs makes no attempt to address the second issue, and
this issue is one of the biggest reasons that the specifiers are so
hairy.

Also, you need to look past the foo-specifier-p functions and such --
these are just surface additions that have little to do with the actual
meat of the implementation. (And contrary to what you say, there is
prior art for doing such stuff!  Witness the Common Lisp `defstruct'
clause, which generates mutators and accessors for every field in the
structure, as well as a predicate for the structure itself.  From this
perspective, there are lots of grounds for having predicates for every
subtype of specifier.  In any case, this is a very minor thing --
these front ends [the bulk of those 48 functions] contribute little
to the complexity or code size of specifiers.)

Finally, you should be aware (perhaps you don't realize this, since you
dislike fonts and colors so much) that code that attempts to do "sensible"
things with fonts and colors and other GUI things is almost always messy
and hairy.  It's incredibly difficult to do this cleanly -- witness the
incredible mess of Motif, Xt, Xlib, Java AWT, the Windows GUI API, the
Mac GUI API, etc. etc.

If you're looking for something more typical of XEmacs encapsulation,
take a look at extents, devices, and events. (Although the event code
is rather hairy; although much less so than the code in keyboard.c in
FSF Emacs.)

|to take another issue, not very different, but which applies to Scheme,
|Emacs Lisp and XEmacs Lisp: the need for `assq', `assv', and `assoc' to use
|different test functions (comparators?), and the lack of a more general
|function, as in Common Lisp, which uses a single `assoc' that takes the
|comparator as an argument (:test).  these functions are simple enough to
|inline, regardless of the comparator.  having different functions for the
|same task is not a good way to do "encapsulation".

Sure, but this is something that's been around for a long long time.
Also, XEmacs autoloads the Common Lisp package, so any Lisp code in XEmacs
(19.14 and above) can freely use `assoc*' and the :test argument.  Once
you have the general mechanism, I don't see what's so bad about having
shortcut functions (e.g. assq, assv) for the common cases.

ben

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[Ben Wing]

|   Would it hearten you to know that I spent far more time than anyone
|   else trying to work out the details of a merge between FSF Emacs and
|   XEmacs with RMS?

yes, it would hearten me, but it isn't my fault you had to or that you
failed, nor do I blame anyone in particular for it.  I'm just trying to
help RMS with Emacs 19, and if I defend him or Emacs 19, it's because it's
his Emacs that I know and love.  I have never had the terrible problems
dealing with RMS that others seem to have had, and I know how he and I can
interact -- working on Emacs for me is primarily fun, and I hate to be put
on the stand as if I were to defend every possible bad experience anyone
has had with him or Emacs just because of it.  I don't even believe he is
solely to blame for them and thus find the one-side attacks unjust.  this
has happened a few times, and mostly from people who seem to have been so
angry at RMS that anybody who even tries to work with him must be at least
as insane as they would wish he were.

I appreciate the reconcilliatory (if also exhausted) tone of your message.
let's see if we can do some good with both Emacsen.

#\Erik

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In article <MAC.96Jul23181556@greatdane.webnexus.com>,
Mike McNamara <mac@silicon-sorcery.com> wrote:
>
>When can we stop this?  
	...
>Emacs works, leave it alone, or add whatever small extentions as yet
>it does not have.

Remember that the concept "Emacs" is different things to different people.

Of course Emacs works.  Works just fine on current Unix systems (and a
lot of others).  But how much effort is being put into porting it to
new environments?  How long until the current environments change to
the point where the current Emacs _doesn't_ work?  No, I don't have
answers to these questions and different people will have different
answers.  But the questions do validate the discussion.

On the other hand, it is likely that future PDAs, etc. will support
Java.  Or, for that matter, there are a bunch of Java-only network
computers out there.  I would like to be able to use as much of Emacs
as is reasonable on those devices.  Doing so means that some subset of
Emacs must be implemented in Java.

I don't want to have to do it myself (:-).

Craig


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From: Hung Bui <hvb@netrix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Help - xemacs19-14 bug? shrink-window-if-larger-than-buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:48:43 -0400
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Dear all,

I have just upgraded xemacs19-14 on my Sparc work station running
Solaris 2.4 (from xemacs19-13).

I really like the automatic horizontal scrolling in xemacs19-14...

Certain features, however, failed to run and put out the following
message:

Marker does not point anywhere

This problem seems to be associated with the command:

shrink-window-if-larger-than-buffer

You can reproduce this problem by doing a hyper-apropos on "sleep" then
click the "sleep-for" entry with your middle-mouse.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please send me a direct mail as well as the news group on your reply.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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Netrix Corporation                    Phone: +1 703 793 1016
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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Wed Jul 24 11:26:09 1996
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Haider A. Rizvi wrote:
> 
> Fred Henle <henle@cs.dartmouth.edu> writes:
> 
> >>>>>> Graham Giller <ggill@morgan.com> writes:
> GG> gdb seems to be doing something slightly annoying in Xemacs ---
> GG> when I first enter the code (e.g. due to a breakpoint at main) it
> GG> reloads the source code of the program I'm editing, so I end-up
> GG> with a myfile.c<2> as well as myfile.c itself.  Being slightly
> GG> clumsy I then often end-up editing both myfile.c and myfile.c<2>
> GG> --- which causes chaos.
> 

-- 

Have you tried gdbsrc? I think gdbsrc will get you around this problem
all together.

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From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor])
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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

Ben> Hmm ...  when I first heard about conservative garbage collectors, it
Ben> seemed like really a cool idea, but the more I think about it, the less
Ben> I like it.  In particular, unless there's something I'm missing,
Ben> conservative garbage collectors will fail to ever reclaim circular
Ben> data structures, which seems like a fatal flaw to me given how common
Ben> it is to have two related structures with pointers to each other.
Ben> The current mark-sweep garbage collector may not be that efficient but
Ben> it collects everything -- you can let your XEmacs run for weeks and it
Ben> won't get appreciably larger, esp. if you have rel-alloc turned on.

It seems you have a totally erroneous impression of what conservative
garbage collection is.  The "conservative" refers not to a collection
technique but to the accuracy of the pointer information that the
collector has access to.

In this context, it means that the collector does not know about every
pointer that belongs to the root set if it is actually a pointer or
merely something that looks like one.  Therefore, it has to be
conservative in assuming that everything that looks like a pointer
actually is one.

This means that a conservative collector potentially retains garbage
because some integer on the stack, say, looks like a pointer that
points to it.  It also restricts the GC in moving objects around
because it can't change pointers that may be non-pointers.  Therefore,
having to use a conservative GC restricts you in your use of a GC
algorithms---you can't straightforwardly use copying collectors.
However, most efficient GC techniques have been adapted to
"mostly-copying" frameworks where you get most of their benefits.

Thus, there are conservative mark-and-sweep collectors, conservative
generational collectors, conservatice incremental collectors
etc. etc. etc.  To get an efficiency improvement, you have to replace
the mark-and-sweep algorithm by a generational or an incremental
algorithm.  This has nothing to do with conservativism yet.

Ben> However, it would probably be a good idea to have conservative garbage
Ben> collection for the C stack.  That would eliminate those horrendous
Ben> GCPRO's.

True, conservative GC would potentially save you from using GCPRO
declarations.  It would also incur the following disadvantages:

- There may be spurious garbage, even though that has nothing to do
  with circular data [ reference counting has a problem with circular
  data, but that's another story ].   This is probably the biggest
  problem since Emacs is a program that is supposed to be up for
  days---as you noticed.  Noone has really done serious research on
  proportion of spurious garbage in long-running programs.

- While the difference is not much, precise pointer information does
  allow you to construct more efficient collectors.

- If you have precise pointer information, you can still use a
  conservative collector.  The other way around is not possible.

- It's inherently unsafe.  Hans Boehm, the inventor and guru of
  conservative GC just showed this at this year's PLDI.  C allows
  pointers to be accessible from a program that cannot be visible to
  the collector.  There's no sure way for the programmer to guard
  against that, since C compiler optimizations may render pointers
  invisible.

Hence, since the GCPRO annotations are there, if someone had the time,
I would recommend investigating using a publicly available precise
collector (such as Paul Wilson's RTGC) and dropping it into Emacs.

Ben> |I suspect that the weight of history in the emacs code would get in the
Ben> |way as it always has, and would impose big constraints on the way things
Ben> |must be implemented; preventing more usable or more efficient ways of
Ben> |doing things, because to change them would result in incompatibilities
Ben> |with existing code.  Code that makes lots of assumptions about how
Ben> |things work at a low level, because there had been lamentably few layers
Ben> |of abstraction in place.

I don't believe this argument as affecting the GC thing.  There is
precise pointer information, and that gives you a wide range of GC
techniques that you can apply.  Period.  Using a good copying
collector would also probably save you from having to manage part of
the heap via rel-alloc and the associated can of works.

I'll be happy to give references to all of what I wrote.

Cheers =8-} Mike

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Problem w. mode-popup-menu
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:16:39 -0700
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Hi there,

since using XEmacs 19.14 I got an error message

unrecognized menu descriptor: :filter

once in a while when pressing the right mouse button.

Now I found time to track it down and it seems that I get the error
with the default mode-popup-menu when also having a minimal 
global-popup-menu:

(setq-default global-popup-menu 
   '("Shortcuts"
    "-----"
    ))

This is enough to reproduce the problem in 'Fundamental' mode. 

Setting either global-popup-menu or mode-popup-menu to nil (of course)
solves the problem.

This didn't happen in 19.13 since there was no :filter item in
the mode-popup-menu.

Am I missing something?

TIA,
Thomas

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Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de        Justus Liebig Universitaet 
Giessen
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From: william@amber.biology.gatech.edu (William S. Hayes)
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Subject: cperl-mode menu not loading
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It doesn't automatically load when I enter a perl program.  It
does font-lock it and CPerl shows in the modeline at the bottom.
I also have cperl-hairy set to t (true).

I can get the menu loaded when I M-x load-file ~/.emacs

I am running Emacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 using a Sparc 5.

Thanks for any assistance.





BTW: 19.14 is a nice upgrade on a great editor.  

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From: Axel Mahler <Axel_Mahler@acm.org>
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I cannot get dynmaic loading to work correctly on my Sparc-5 clone
running Solaris2.5. I have the impression that dynamic loading might be
broken because I had similar problems when building Xemacs-19.13. 

After building the Perl distribution, I get (too many) error messages of
the following kind (see listing below).

Has anybody seen similar behavior, or knows how to fix the problem ? I
already tried to trace the execution of the Xeamcs dynodump utility that
runs into a dl_open error... However, my libdl.so appears to be ok.

Can anybody help ?

Please answer by mail since I do not regularly read all the above
newsgroups.

Thanks, Axel.
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================== perl loader problems ================
 at ../lib/Safe.pm line 390
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./lib/safe.t line 13.
FAILED on test 0
lib/sdbm.......Can't load '../lib/auto/Fcntl/Fcntl.so' for module Fcntl:
ld.so.1: ./perl: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main:
referenced in ../lib/auto/Fcntl/Fcntl.so at ../lib/DynaLoader.pm line
140.

 at ../lib/Fcntl.pm line 67
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./lib/sdbm.t line 16.
FAILED on test 0
lib/socket.....Can't load '../lib/auto/Socket/Socket.so' for module
Socket: ld.so.1: ./perl: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found:
main: referenced in ../lib/auto/Socket/Socket.so at ../lib/DynaLoader.pm
line 140.

 at ../lib/Socket.pm line 272
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./lib/socket.t line 14.
FAILED on test 0
lib/soundex....ok
Failed 8/94 tests, 91.49% okay.


=

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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
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Subject: Re: Help...How can I redefine backspace in global map in 19.14?
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In article <9607240828.AA23366@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
	gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com writes:
> > >         Can I somehow keep new version of delbackspace.el file
> > > and to remap backspace key in main modes to
> > > backward-delete-char-untabify ?...
> > On my xemacs, the new delbackspace.el works fine BUT I had to 
> > load-library it near the end of my .emacs........
> I tried putting (load-library "delbackspace") as the last string in
> my .emacs after I read your message and it didn't help...
> Maybe somebody had the same problem?

You bet somebody had! The new XEmacs keyboard way sucks, from
my view. However, this is what you can do. Somebody suggested
it to me and it worked:

  (global-set-key '[(delete)]  'delete-backward-char) 
  (keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
  (keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)

Nothing else really worked, despite whatever people said (:-).
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
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<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: rhogee@Skye.cs.dal.ca (Peter Galbraith)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 tex-mode bug report
Date: 24 Jul 1996 16:42:29 GMT
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Ed Reingold says he is no longer supporting tex-mode, and the
file doesn't say who is.  So here goes...

1- Is doesn't recognise \documentclass to autodetect latex-mode

2- syntax-table seems broken:

  - This is a percentage: 100\% should not be fontified.  It is.

  - A price tag \$45.50 toggle an infinitely long math-mode.

Hope this helps.
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Hi,

After upgrading to Xemacs 19.14, I've problem with Gnus. Whenever I
invoke it, it put me in the *nntp* buffer instead of the usual
newsgroup buffer, and whenever I select a newsgroup, it put me into
the *nntpd* buffer (not in Summary mode) instead of the Summary buffer
(in summary mode). What happens?  Are there any variable I need to
set?

Thank you.

Adrian

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Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After downloading the new (Jul 22) version of XEmacs 19.14 for
DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 neither gnuserver nor gnuclient work anymore:

gnuclient -q

/sbin/loader: Fatal Error: cannot map libdnet.so

This happens with movemail, etc as well.

Is there anything I can do except to wait for new binaries?

TIA,
Thomas
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XEmacs 19.14 core dumps on the solaris platform.  My configure line was:

../configure  --site-includes=/wv/ic/include --site-libraries=/wv/ic/ss5/lib --cflags="-g -O3" --dynamic --prefix=/wv/ic --exec-prefix=/wv/ic/ss5

I'm on an ultrasparc if that makes any difference (it shouldn't).

I'm not sure what command caused the core dump, but I had an inferior
shell running at the time that was accepting output.


The backtrace from gdb is:

#0  0xef473e30 in kill ()
#1  0x64a24 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  skip_chars (buf=0x5bc800, forwardp=0, syntaxp=1, string=32, lim=1) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/buffer.h:571
#4  0xec710 in Fskip_syntax_backward (syntax=811132828, lim=270934020, buffer=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/search.c:910
#5  0x6c1c8 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xec6ec <Fskip_syntax_backward>, nargs=3, args=0xefffcf78) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3488
#6  0x6c3b8 in funcall_subr (subr=0x225668, args=0xefffcf78) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3526
#7  0x6b670 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=271042636, nargs=1, args=0xefffd09c) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3204
#8  0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffd098) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#9  0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811035780, vector=1079494656, maxdepth=6357942) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#10 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=274213028, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefffd43c) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#11 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=271760348, nargs=1, args=0xefffd438) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#12 0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffd438) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#13 0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=810902744, vector=1077538816, maxdepth=7544851) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#14 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=275185444, nargs=4, arg_vector=0xefffd75c) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#15 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=275362324, nargs=4, args=0xefffd758) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#16 0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=5, args=0xefffd758) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#17 0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=808180340, vector=1077868288, maxdepth=7590596) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#18 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=274022244, nargs=0, arg_vector=0xefffdb10) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#19 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=275363740, nargs=0, args=0xefffdb0c) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#20 0x6cda0 in run_hook_with_args_in_buffer (buf=0x10262004, nargs=1, args=0xefffdb0c, cond=RUN_HOOKS_TO_COMPLETION) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#21 0x6cdf4 in run_hook_with_args (nargs=1, args=0xefffdb0c, cond=RUN_HOOKS_TO_COMPLETION) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3841
#22 0x6caf4 in Frun_hooks (nargs=4, args=0xefffdccc) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3693
#23 0x6b5f4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=271021356, nargs=1, args=0xefffdcc8) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3191
#24 0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffdcc8) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#25 0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=808516968, vector=1081108224, maxdepth=6595108) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#26 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=275726564, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefffdfd4) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#27 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274361908, nargs=2, args=0xefffdfd0) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#28 0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefffdfd0) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#29 0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809730112, vector=1079485952, maxdepth=5630007) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#30 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=274424228, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefffe2e4) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#31 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274361740, nargs=1, args=0xefffe2e0) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#32 0x6b890 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffe2e0) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#33 0x4abcc in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809730388, vector=1079099488, maxdepth=5629359) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c:450
#34 0x6ca20 in funcall_lambda (fun=274424196, nargs=0, arg_vector=0xefffe5e8) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3636
#35 0x6b810 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274424196, nargs=0, args=0xefffe5e4) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3223
#36 0x6d000 in apply1 (fn=274424196, arg=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:3253
#37 0x4c524 in Fcall_interactively (function=274361692, record_flag=270934020, keys=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/callint.c:389
#38 0x6a284 in Fcommand_execute (cmd=274361692, record=270934020, keys=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:2628
#39 0x78e54 in execute_command_event (command_builder=0x2a6c40, event=275914100) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c:3480
#40 0x7975c in Fdispatch_event (event=275914100) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c:3765
#41 0x50808 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c:542
#42 0x50634 in command_loop_1 (dummy=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c:462
#43 0x68128 in condition_case_1 (handlers=270934116, bfun=0x50610 <command_loop_1>, barg=270934020, hfun=0x5096c <cmd_error>, harg=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:1672
#44 0x50a68 in command_loop_2 (dummy=270934020) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c:224
#45 0x67ed4 in internal_catch (tag=271011236, func=0x50a38 <command_loop_2>, arg=270934020, threw=0x0) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c:1347
#46 0x50260 in initial_command_loop (load_me=330296) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c:273
#47 0x65868 in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xefffedf4, envp=0xefffedfc) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c:1317
#48 0x65c20 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefffedf4, envp=0xefffedfc) at /wv/ic/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c:1461

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>>>>> "Nat" == Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:

Nat> all seems good but if I also pass "--with-toolbars=no" to
Nat> configure then "C-h f" can not function properly anymore

sb> This sounds as if you're getting the wrong doc file.  After you
sb> take the toolbars out are you sure you're referencing the newly
sb> created doc file,

Nat> you are right: the new XEmacs one references an old doc file
Nat> because I only copy the binary, not the whole stuff.

Nat> how can the doc file index be affected in any way by
Nat> recompilation of the binary ?

When you compile --with-toolbars=yes, the docfile gets filled with
docstrings from the toolbar related functions.  When you compile
--with-toolbars=no, it doesn't.  It's a feature, and the correct
behavior.

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Well I've just installed XEmacs 19.14 and it is really cool.
However when I do M-x display-time 
the resulting time is an hour slow.
 Anyone know how to correct this? 
And if you load time how can you 'undisplay' it
from the mode line? Thanks in advance.


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Neil Gall <neilg@hpsqf.sqf.hp.com> writes:

> How do you make gnuclient files appear in the default frame in 19.14 ?

  (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

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Hi Ho,

I'm wading through someone else's C code.  As an aid to understanding the
code, I have turned on font-lock and (setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t).

The problem is this...  it appears that declarations with multiple entries do
not have any but the first entry fontified.  That is,  given something like

int foo, bar;
char *bazz, *frizz, noise;

then 'bar', 'frizz' and 'noise' are not fontified.

I've stared at the new font-lock-mode code, and quite frankly, the way that it
calls font-lock-match-c++-style-declaration-and-skip-to-next throws me.  It
sort of looks like the code should recurse, but doesn't.

Anyone familiar with the guts of font-lock care to comment?

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Anyone out there know of any work being done to include the TCL
language to the etags parser? 

Thanks,
Brent

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: New [?] XEmacs 19.14 Dec Alpha movemail problems.
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Thomas Feuster wrote:
> I still see the old version (Jun 23) for DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 in
> ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs ???

Sorry about that...

I just learned that the ftp in Netscape doesn't show you the current 
values but the ones from some time ago. In this case from Jul 16...
Well, I don't see any good reason for this but thats how it looks like.

Thomas
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I'm using the oo-browser with xemacs, try to get the class hierarchy
displayed graphically.  I see 2 things wrong with the tree display:

- There is a NOROOT node created to join the independent trees; that's
fine.  But the node under NOROOT is a data member called "accMode".
Many classes have a data member of the same name, and they are shown
on the tree as descendents of accMode.  Why are data members showing
up in the class tree?

- The tree seems upside down.  Superclasses are shown many times, and
are shown as descendents of their subclasses.  I have toggled the
value of invert-ancestors, but this seems not to correct the problem.
A look at the manual shows trees displayed correctly, so I must be
doing something wrong.

The code is written for Borland 3.1, xemacs 19.13 running on linux
1.99.6, oo-browser 2.9.12.

Are there any other good, free, graphical class browsers around?

Many Thanks,

Bill
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In article <joshi.838157366@sal> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:

> >Emacs's loader would simply have to be extended to handle URL's
It can already handle remote ftp files through ange-ftp.

> Somebody needs to have proper version control on all these different
> versions floating around. Java being the vehicle that people are using
> today, as the version becomes a problem, Java would evolve to address
> this issue.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Why can't one do "version control"
(whatever you mean by this) in elisp? Remember, you gave the argument for
"loadable applets" to say that this is Java's techical advantage. Now you
say it would be easier to do in Java because there would be more people to
address the issue.

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From: jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (coomes john w)
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Subject: Re: makefile mode & font-lock
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In <9607241037.AA19837@piccard.ddddf.com> "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:

>I have a weird problem: I use SCCS on a makefile. I use font-lock.
>
>When I check out the file to edit it, I get this warning:
>
>(1) (error/warning) Error in `pre-idle-hook' (setting hook to nil): (void-function makefile-space-face)

I had a similar problem; fixed it by adding the following (additional)
hook for makefile mode to my .emacs:

	(if (= emacs-minor-version 14)
	    (add-hook 'makefile-mode-hook
		      (function (lambda () (makefile-define-space-face)))))

Note that I have this nested inside a larger block of code that is
only executed when running XEmacs.

Comparing make-mode.el with the Gnu Emacs 19.31 version, it appears
that the condition guarding the call to makefile-define-space-face()
in makefile-mode() is wrong in the XEmacs version.  I'll probably
submit a bug report to find out.

-John

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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> Bill Ricker <bricker@merlot.cc.emory.edu> writes:
> 
> > Every thing works great if I don't compile --with-sparcworks. CDE
> > works great. I can drag files into xemacs!  If I compile with the
> > sparcworks option. I get the following message:
> > 
> > Wrong type argument: stringp, nil.
> > 
> > It never gets to my .emacs file. Any hints on what I might be
> > missing. I did ln /opt/SUNWspro/bin/proworks to
> > /opt/SUNWspro/bin/sparworks. Used SparcWorks a lot under 19.13
> 
> Use the binaries on the ftp site or make sure $PATH has neither
> leading, trailing or consecutive `:' characters.
> 
> -- 
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> XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
> Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
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I had a trailing colon. Appended a 'dot' and all seems to work
OK. Why doesn't the precompiled binaries exhibit this behavior. Is there
a fix?

bill

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Subject: Re: x86 Solaris 2.4 binaries available (again).
Date: 24 Jul 1996 19:28:55 -0400
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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> The binaries have a major problem fixed with editing large files
> (turned out to be an optimizer bug).  Binaries with and without
> sparcworks support are available.
> 
> xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4.tar.gz
> xemacs-19.14-i386-unknown-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz
> -- 
> Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
> XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
> Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
> Snail Mail: MPK16-305, 2550 Garcia Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94043-1100

Is there a publicly available fix? What file or files did the optimizer
have problems with?

bill

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xemacs 19.14

Line 248 of make-mode.el results in a font-lock-keyword entry of the
form

 ("^	+#" (makefile-space-face t))

which font-lock mode interprets as an instruction to evaluate as a
function call. The backtrace is:

Signalling: (void-function makefile-space-face)
  makefile-space-face(1440)
  font-lock-fontify-anchored-keywords((makefile-space-face t) 1441)
  (if (numberp (car ...)) (font-lock-apply-highlight (car highlights))
(font-lock-fontify-anchored-keywords (car highlights) end))
)
  (while highlights (if (numberp ...) (font-lock-apply-highlight ...)
(font-lock-fontify-anchored-keywords ... end)) (setq highlights (cdr
highlights)))
)
  (while (if (stringp matcher) (re-search-forward matcher end t)
(funcall matcher end)) (setq highlights (cdr keyword)) (while highlights
(if ... ... ...) (setq highlights ...)))
)
  (while keywords (if loudly (message "Fontifying %s... (regexps..%s)"
bufname ...)) (setq keyword (car keywords) matcher (car keyword))
(goto-char start) (while (if ... ... ...) (setq highlights ...) (while
highlights ... ...)) (setq keywords (cdr keywords)))
)
  (let ((case-fold-search font-lock-keywords-case-fold-search) (keywords
...) (bufname ...) (count 0) keyword matcher highlights) (while keywords
(if loudly ...) (setq keyword ... matcher ...) (goto-char start) (while
... ... ...) (setq keywords ...)))
)
  (let ((loudly ...)) (let (... ... ... ... keyword matcher highlights)
(while keywords ... ... ... ... ...)) (if loudly (message "Fontifying
%s... done." ...)))
)
  font-lock-fontify-keywords-region(1409 1441 nil)
  font-lock-fontify-region(1409 1441)
  font-lock-after-change-function-1(1435 1438 3)
  font-lock-fontify-glumped-region()
  font-lock-after-change-function(1450 1453 0)

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[Anil Joshi]

|   Somebody needs to have proper version control on all these different
|   versions floating around. Java being the vehicle that people are using
|   today, as the version becomes a problem, Java would evolve to address
|   this issue.

[Vladimir Alexiev]

|   This makes no sense whatsoever.  Why can't one do "version control"
|   (whatever you mean by this) in elisp?  Remember, you gave the argument
|   for "loadable applets" to say that this is Java's techical advantage.
|   Now you say it would be easier to do in Java because there would be
|   more people to address the issue.

I understood the term "version control" to be a request for identification
of the bugs and features required by an individual Emacs Lisp program,
clumped together into which "version" of Emacs used.

e.g., an HTML file that does _not_ identify itself starts with "<HTML>".
an HTML file that _does_ identify itself properly starts with, e.g.,

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">

and if it were _really_ right, it would start with

    <!SGML "ISO 8879:1986" ...>

the "..." part is _long_ and was useful when SGML files were expected to be
shipped on tape with a paper printout of this declaration attached to it.
in practice, the DOCTYPE identification is not used by any of the browsers
and they certainly do not even _attempt_ to ask the user to identify which
particular version or operating system they are "optimized" for.  that is
for the user to figure out through frustration and irritation.  same thing.


sadly, with all the minor changes that have been made to Emacs (generic),
not forgetting the Emacs/XEmacs branches, version identification is not
sufficient, because although one tries to maintain backward compatibility,
there are differences at the programmatic level that one would have hoped
could be caught as something _other_ than errors or random behavior.

in particular, if, instead of programmers complaining about new versions
breaking code from previous versions, a package could load a "compatibility
package" according to which Emacs it was compiled for.  these packages
could be implemented as advice on the functions that had changed in since
that version to restore the old behavior if called from a function had an
appropriate version property.  (yes, "caller identification" is available
to Emacs Lisp functions through the Emacs Lisp backtrace mechanism.) this
would slow things down _somewhat_, but compared to _totally_ as when things
don't work, it should be acceptable.

such versioning schemes are somewhat tricky to implement, but they would
have been _extremely_ welcome from both a programmer's and a users' point
of view.

(and please don't tell me this is impossible.  my first brush with a real
and functioning compatibility package was PA1050, although it worked on a
very different principle.  (quiz time!  which OS'es did it provide a bridge
between?))

#\Erik

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In article <joshi.838156397@sal> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:

> wing@666.com (Ben Wing) writes:
> 
> >(BTW Xt, AWT, and the Windows GUI API all rank near the top of my list
> >of the most bogusly designed API's I've ever worked with.  What is it
> >about windowing toolkits that makes it so impossibly difficult for people
> >to design them intelligently?)
> 
> Have you looked at OS/2 API? This is supposed to be quite good.
> But, if I can trust my memory, you were saying at one point that
> "What is OS/2?". I sure hope you reconsider and implement
> XEmacs for OS/2 (just like the WinEmacs for Win95/NT).

The OS/2 API is not significantly better than the Windows, Mac, or
Motif API.  (IMO) I haven't seen anything interesting in Java's AWT,
either, but I haven't used it much yet.  In the OS/2 API, the
functions are well-named, and they have some nice conventions (the
first argument to any procedure is the "object" being manipulated, for
example, and window decorations are individual customizable windows),
but the overall paradigm is still "receive a message, dispatch on a
message" instead of anything new (like MVC from Fresco/InterViews?).
They do have multiple thread support, but it doesn't seem to be
essential for their API -- the API isn't designed around
multithreading.

Ben, what do you _want_ in a GUI API?  I'm curious because there are
lots of things I've wanted and never found.  For example, the
Observer/Subject design pattern seems to work far better for dialog
boxes than the message sending paradigm, and multiple threads work
pretty well too.

Does anyone have comments about the BeBox or NextStep APIs?

Will XEmacs eventually provide a *nice* GUI API so that we can write
"applets" inside of buffers?  :) (This would be cool, IMO!)


	- Amit

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In article <tvspapijcr.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

> From: Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
> Date: 18 Jul 1996 19:04:04 +0200
> Organization: Hewlett Packard GmbH Germany
> 
> 
> Sorry, 
> What i mean is to write a completely new extensible editor, not using lisp, 
> but java for implementing modes etc.
> 

Lisp still has some nice things for programming:

	Symbols (like   'c-mode  )
	  => They're faster than strings
	  => They have a convenient input syntax (unlike any Symbol
	     class you might write in C++ or Java)

	Lists (like    '(c-mode c++-mode java-mode)  )
	  => They're built in, standardized, and used everywhere
	  => They have a convenient input syntax (unlike writing
	     your own C++ or Java class); I'm not sure if Java
	     has a syntax for on-the-fly arrays.

	Closures (like   (lambda () (turn-on-font-lock))  )
	  => They're built in (standardized, used everywhere)
	  => They let you customize functionality by writing
	     individual functions instead of a whole new class
	     with redefined methods

I think it's better to have TWO languages, because one can be chosen
as a good language to *implement* the core, and another can be chosen
for *scripts*.  Take the following example:

(add-hook 'vm-mode-hook
	  (function
	   (lambda ()
	     (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place)
	     (define-key vm-mode-map [f] 'vm-forward-message)
	     (setq scroll-in-place nil))))

and imagine what I'd have to write in Java to get the same
functionality.  Or:

(setq load-path (append (list (expand-file-name "~/Emacs")) load-path))

Java is pretty good for writing applets, and perhaps even apps, but as
an extension language, I worry that I'd have to write a lot more code
to get the same effect.  :(

Why do we have a different language for a command line shell and for
applications?  How about HTML vs Java?  Perl vs Fortran?  We _should_
use different special-purpose languages instead of trying to make one
language do too much -- that way, each language can make easier the
task it's good for.

[I do think that there are a LOT of things that could be improved
 about Emacs Lisp, but I don't think that Java is the answer for
 editor customization.]


	- Amit

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Hi -

In XEmacs 19.13, dired would color highlight the directory names
in the dired buffer.  However, in XEmacs 19.14, the directory names
are not color highlighted.  In my .emacs, I have the
'turn-on-font-lock added to my dired-mode-hook.

Any ideas ?

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Hello,

I know this problem already appeared here a while ago, but I just cannot
remember what the solution was ....

I trying to open Xemacs with the display on a Win95 PC, using a Xserver
package (I use Xceed, but I also had the problem with PC-Xware).
When I launch xemacs, with the display redirected to the PC, I get
the following error msg :

Xdisplay error : pcxxxx:0 not responding

Could someone help here ?? 
Many thanks,
Jacques.
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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il> writes:

> I'm trying to use nnfolder to read my mail. The problem I've
> encountered is that Gnus (5.2.5) creates 2 news groups for the same
> file. The first is called "nnfolder+archive:misc-news" and the
> second "nnfolder:misc-news".

This may be the result of an older bug.  Go to the "~/Mail/active" and
"~/Mail/archive/active" files and remove the excess groups.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Just 1 line of eLisp code, but it does not work ....
Date: 24 Jul 1996 21:42:31 -0700
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>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> writes:

Ronald> (defun save-all-wo-asking (interactive) (save-buffers-kill-emacs t))

Ronald> On execution I get the error message
Ronald> 	wrong type argument: commandp, save-all-wo-asking
Ronald> I suppose I made some very sily mistake, but can't figure it
Ronald> out...

Yup.

Try instead:
(defun save-all-wo-asking ()
  (interactive)
  (save-buffers-kill-emacs t))

You forgot the parameter list, so your function was being considering
a non-interactive function that required one parameter named
`interactive'.
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>>>>> "Shlomo" == Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il> writes:

Shlomo> I'm trying to use nnfolder to read my mail. The problem I've
Shlomo> encountered is that Gnus (5.2.5) creates 2 news groups for the
Shlomo> same file. The first is called "nnfolder+archive:misc-news"
Shlomo> and the second "nnfolder:misc-news".  I've tried to loose each
Shlomo> of them by killing the group, but they each pop up again.

By `loose' I presume you mean make them go away.

You can upgrade to the latest Gnus (5.3 for GNU Emacs, 5.2.37 for XEmacs),
or you can put this in your .gnus:

(setq gnus-message-archive-group nil)

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Subject: Re: Help...How can I redefine backspace in global map in 19.14?
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Uri Blumenthal writes:
 > In article <9607240828.AA23366@yev6000.stil.scitex.com>,
 > 	gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com writes:
 > > > >         Can I somehow keep new version of delbackspace.el file
 > > > > and to remap backspace key in main modes to
 > > > > backward-delete-char-untabify ?...
 > > > On my xemacs, the new delbackspace.el works fine BUT I had to 
 > > > load-library it near the end of my .emacs........
 > > I tried putting (load-library "delbackspace") as the last string in
 > > my .emacs after I read your message and it didn't help...
 > > Maybe somebody had the same problem?
 > 
 > You bet somebody had! The new XEmacs keyboard way sucks, from
 > my view. However, this is what you can do. Somebody suggested
 > it to me and it worked:
 > 
 >   (global-set-key '[(delete)]  'delete-backward-char) 
 >   (keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
 >   (keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)
 > 
 > Nothing else really worked, despite whatever people said (:-).
 > -- 
 > Regards,
 > Uri.
 > -=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
 > <Disclaimer>
 > I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
 > to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
 > so eager to regulate everyone else's.

I tried it and it doesn'twork too :(... Any suggestions?


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From: ptf@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk (Paul Flinders)
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In article <19960717191618.AAA20988@vlad.terraweb.com> bpm@terraweb.com (bpm) writes:

> Hello,
> 	I'm using XEmacs 19.14, lazy-lock 1.15 & font-lock.  When ever I
> print a buffer with ps-brint-buffer-with-faces, I get a printout with
> the faces ok, but there is a background gray box on the text that has
> the face info.  Normal text is ok, but comments, keywords, etc
> (anything with a face) has this gray background.
> 
> Is there a new version of ps-print?
> 
> Thanks

The problem is that the new ps-print sets the background colour of a
face if it differs in any way from the default font, rather than
setting the background of a face if *its background* differs from the
default background.

A quick fix is to comment out the code in ps-plot-region which sets
the background (the third if, around line 1518).

Once I work out how to compare two face's background colours I might
send a fix in.

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(xemacs 19.13, Solaris 2.4, Open Look Virtual Window Manager)
 
When I invoke xemacs and supply more than one filename on the command line, xemacs opens a separate X
window for each file. That's fine, as this is controlled by the line
    (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit 0)
in my .emacs.

But what I do not like is that the first of these X windows is horizontally split and displays two
files. For example, if I enter xemacs by
    xemacs file1 file2
I get to frames. The first is split and shows file1 and file2, the second one is not split and
contains file2.

Is there a way to have xemacs NOT splitting the first frame?


-----------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> "Ann" == Ann Rautenbach 3267 Systems Administrator <annr@ref.collins.co.uk> writes:

Ann> I have recently started writing HTML documents (to be viewed in
Ann> Netscape), and psgml mode is great for this, but I'm not sure how to
Ann> setup some of the things I need.

Ann> As a publisher of bilingual dictionaries, we need to use accented
Ann> characters and publishing symbols. Most of the accented
Ann> characters I can create in XEmacs directly, but I need to access
Ann> other characters and symbols such ISO_8879:1986/entities/ISOpub,
Ann> and I'm not sure how this is done.

Ann> If someone could give me some hints, or point me in the direction of
Ann> more information (the psgml documentation seemed to require prior
Ann> knowledge of sgml and DTDs) that would be great.

Ann> I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 Sun.

The documentation on adding new DTDs, etc. is nonexistent in 19.14.
Hopefully this will be corrected in 19.15.

There are a couple of critical files in the etc/sgml directory that
you will need to modify.  The file CATALOG is a standard SGML catalog
(the catalog available at webtechs with the html-check validation kit)
can work as well).  You will need to add a line in it that looks like:

PUBLIC "ISO 8879:1986//ENTITIES Publishing//EN"	ISO_8879:1986/entities/ISOpub

To compile a DTD you do the following:
Get a blank buffer
Evaluate the next two lisp commands in the minibuffer
 M-: (require 'psgml-parse)
 M-: (sgml-compile-dtd "/full/path/to/html-xx.dtd"
      "/full/path/to/cdtd/html-xx" [])
Add a line like this to ECAT:
FILE html-xx.dtd [ ] cdtd/html-xx

Please note that the html-cougar DTD cannot be compiled with the
version of psgml in XEmacs 19.14 due to its use of multibyte
characters.

There is a very nice document written by Nigel Kerr <nigelk@umich.edu>:
	http://www.hti.umich.edu/~nigelk/emacs/psgml.html
entitled `PSGML, SGML Mode for emacs' which contains an explanation of
how to plug the various entities files into a DTD.

Hope this helps.
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Andy Norman wrote:
>   (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

This gives you the frame at startup-time. Wouldn't it be nice to have
some kind of lambda function that gives the frame at the time
gnuclient is started?

I played around with this a bit but my lisp is not good enough for
all the lambda-stuff :-(. Maybe someone else could point me in the
right direction?

TIA,
Thomas

P.S.: Is there any good documentation of this? The info doesn't 
help my too much with lambda (eg. what is the # used for ins this
context?).
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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
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Subject: perldb doesn't display a new buffer for the debugger?...
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In old versions of emacs, perldb always divided the screen into 2
buffers, one for the debugger and the other for the source.

In XEmacs 19.14 (Even with xemacs -q), when you have the source buffer
in the whole frame, you run M-x perldb, after you enter the correct
parameters, you don't get the *perldb* buffer on the screen., you
need to split it by hand, and switch to the *perldb* buffer also by hand...

If two buffers are displayed, there is no problem at all!

Any hint, how can I automate this?

TIA
 
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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Mapping Alt-Backspace in HTML mode?
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:33:49 -0400
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Hi,

I can't seem to be able to map the Alt-Backspace in HTML mode.  I have
it working in other modes by:
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map [(meta backspace)] 'undo)

But the following doesn't work.  I guess my real problem is that I don't
know what the actual name of the mode is and using Ctrl-H M didn't
really help.
(define-key html-mode-map [(meta backspace)] 'undo)

Thanks,

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Subject: vm and toolbars on the left
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Part of the ongoing saga of vm (I've been periodically reporting
this...). 

On the advise of Chris McMahan I turned off VM's use of the toolbar
and now all my left-side toolbars remain whole and healthy.  If anyone
has the time to look into this here is what I think happens:

1) running Xemacs 19.14 (pre-compiled HPUX 9.xx binaries) and vm 5.96
   (more or less the standard release).
2) defualt toolbar location is set to left.
3) vm reads all mail from a pop server and automatically checks for
   mail every 5 minutes.
4) when a non-vm frame has focus and vm reads the pop server then the
   toolbar gets munged and leaves what appears to be 1/2 the vm
   toolbar. 

I suspect (but have no time to test) that if the vm toolbar is set
into the same orientation as the xemacs toolbars that the same thing
would happen when vm-auto-get-new-mail seconds is over.


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I am running XEmacs 19.14

I have added a lambda function to a hook that must load a file.
Each time a hook is run the file is loaded and I get the 
    loading <file> ...done
message in the minibuffer.

Can I suppress this message?

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From: jsamuels@hoffa.openport.com (Jordan A. Samuels)
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Subject: colorizing outline mode?
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I am using XEmacs-19.14 (on SunOS 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1),
and although I have the options set to maximum fontification (with colors), I
can't get outline mode to colorize.  I am assuming it should, since
(1) it does in Gnu Emacs, and 
(2) XEmacs is very nice

Any help would be apprectiated.  Thanks a lot.

        Jordan

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From: av@anacreon.cs.uta.fi (Arto V. Viitanen)
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 and GNUS
Date: 25 Jul 1996 08:05:40 +0300
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av@cs.uta.fi (Arto V. Viitanen) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Why does the gnus coming with XEmacs 19.14 not work? It gives a beep and an
> error message: "Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap "Message" 2 entries
> 0xa84>".
> 
> I have tried both on a precompiled Linux-ELF version, and on a SunOS 4.1.3
> version I compiled (using gcc). On both cases X server is XFree86 3.1.2D (S3)
> on Linux, if that is the reason (the D version of the XFree86 changed how the
> keyboard is defined and the error was on a keymap).
> 

It turn out (thanks to gnus-bug@ifi.uio.no (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls +
Boys)), that I had an older version of the easymenu function in the search
path (in auctex). And yes, in both machines. Once I removed it, I can use
gnus again.

But, how can I set gnus to use netscape instead of W3-mode to fetch an url? I
have gnus-button-url set to gnus-netscape-open-url, but still I get W3.

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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: Re: ps-print problems
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:49:38 -0400
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Paul Flinders wrote:
> 
> In article <19960717191618.AAA20988@vlad.terraweb.com> bpm@terraweb.com (bpm) writes:
> 
> > Hello,
> >       I'm using XEmacs 19.14, lazy-lock 1.15 & font-lock.  When ever I
> > print a buffer with ps-brint-buffer-with-faces, I get a printout with
> > the faces ok, but there is a background gray box on the text that has
> > the face info.  Normal text is ok, but comments, keywords, etc
> > (anything with a face) has this gray background.
> >
> > Is there a new version of ps-print?
> >
> > Thanks
> 

I've a contrary problem in the sense that the background of normal text
is gray and the text with face has a mormal (white) background.

> The problem is that the new ps-print sets the background colour of a
> face if it differs in any way from the default font, rather than
> setting the background of a face if *its background* differs from the
> default background.
> 
> A quick fix is to comment out the code in ps-plot-region which sets
> the background (the third if, around line 1518).
> 
> Once I work out how to compare two face's background colours I might
> send a fix in.

The fix correct the situation in the sense that all the background is
now white.

Frederic
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From: ggrimes@bnr.ca (Gordon Grimes P125)
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Subject: resizing the frame
Date: 25 Jul 1996 13:38:13 GMT
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Hi,
I recently upgraded to xemacs-19.14 and am unable to
resize the frame to anything larger than 47 lines.
Is there some variable that is preventing this?

thanks in advance,
gordon grimes
ggrimes@nortel.ca
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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: Two pages per paper sheet with ps-print?
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Hello,

Is it possible to print two pages on one paper sheet with
ps-print-(buffer/region)-with-faces?

Thanks

Frederic
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From: ggrimes@bnr.ca (Gordon Grimes P125)
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Subject: "unprintable"
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Hi,
Is there any work-around for printing "unprintable" values?
Extents, frames, buffers, etc. are "unprintable".  Notably,
`modeline-format' is unprintable because of the extents embedded
in it (xemacs-19.14).

It would suffice for me to see something like:
	"'(( EXTENT . "17%b") (EXTENT . "%-%"))"

Please reply directly as well as following up.

Thanks for any help,
gordon
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From: Raymond Savoie <rsavoie@canada.lsil.com>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: VM-Mail does not insert "Status: RO" in header


Hi all,

Since I installed version 14 I've not been able to convince
VM-Mail to insert the "Status: RO" flag in the mail header once
mail has been looked at.  As a result, my biff program thinks
the mail is still unread.

I've tried (setq vm-berkeley-mail-compatibility t) but that 
does not help.

I'm using the sparc-solaris 2.4 version.

Thanks,
  Ray

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From: Glen McCort <gwmccort@cca.rockwell.com>
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Subject: current-time-zone setting
Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:52:09 +0200
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We've installed the SunOS XEmacs 19.14 binaries and the value of the
current-time-zone function is wrong. It comes back as PDT when it
should be CDT. If I load 19.13 then the value is correct. Also if I
use the Solaris binaries then the time zone is also correct. 

Is there something wrong w/ the SunOS 19.14 binary? Should I set the
time zone manually?

tia,
glen

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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [q] disable vm's creation of new frames & windows? Sample .vm files?
Date: 25 Jul 1996 15:07:36 GMT
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  In article <XAAazvi09189.199607250331@crystal.WonderWorks.COM> you write:
  >Silvio Picano writes:
  > > [xemacs 19.14 on sun-os]
  > > 
  > > [1] How can I restrict vm to using a single frame for all mail
  > > operations, i.e., the same frame as my initial xemacs session? 
  > > I have tried several combinations of 
  > >   vm-mutable-windows
  > >   vm-mutable-frames
  > > w/o any luck.
  >
  >Use the vm-frame-per-* variables.  Set them all to nil.

Hmmm.. I (thought) I had set these to nil all along during 
my initial efforts.

I want my system to look like this:
   o always have the current folder's summary open,
   o always use 1 frame/window,
   o always be previewing the current message.

The only combo I could find to do this is:
  (setq vm-mutable-windows t)
  (setq vm-mutable-frames nil)
  (setq vm-preview-lines t)
  (setq vm-startup-with-summary t
        pop-up-windows t)


1. I have yet to figure out auto-color syntax highlighting (all
   I get is italics right now).
2. When I am composing a message, my summary window disappears;
   I'd like to always have the current folder's summary always
   available during my vm session & all operations?

  > > [2] I just started using vm today, and am swamped with all the
  > > variables for configuration. Are there any complete & concise
  > > sample .vm files out there. Outside of reading the vm-vars.el
  > > and the info pages, it is quite time-consuming for me to get 
  > > started.
  >
  >Best way to start is to just use VM as is, and only change the
  >configration if there is something that really bothers you.  VM
  >has over a hundred variables, but there's no reason to worry
  >about setting them until you have to.  I've tried to name them
  >all sensibly so taht you can use apropos and a keyword to find
  >the variable you need when you're ready to customize.

I really enjoy vm's features so far; so much more over elm & xmh.

Thanks Kyle for your help.
Silvio

PS ... I've been reading the group for a few weeks now; is 
there any faq available? The xemacs group has very little 
about vm in it's faq.

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Jul 25 10:10:44 1996
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From: Sobhan  Padamati <spadamat@fore.com>
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Subject: Buffering in xemacs
Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:54:03 -0400
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Hi
	I was wondering how to stop xemacs from buffering 
up key strokes??

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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Jul 25 10:10:36 1996
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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: [q] turning off vm's left menu?
Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:44:55 GMT
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Hello,

Switching to vm yesterday, I find the (default) left menu 
bar entries/graphics (i.e., next, previous, undelete, 
autofile, file, reply, compose, print, visit, quit) to 
be quite distracting and not truely necessary; these 
functions are in other entries of the top menu bar, which
is has the complete & necessary interface.

Is there a way to disable this left menu? 

Thanks.
Silvio

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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: set-background-color
In-Reply-To: <x7ivbcfny1.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.3.87.9607241438.A14391-0100000@hp403>
	<x7ivbcfny1.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>

I must beg to differ!

First, Windows does NOT limit you to 16 solid colors! The use of solid
or not is a function of your video card's capabilities and what color
depth you have set, not Windows.

Second, in the original message, Brad notes that he was running
Emacs-19.30.1, in which the color problem was a known bug.

Brad, my strong recommendation would be to upgrade to Emacs-19.31.
Barring that, you can get a package from the NTEmacs FAQ page called
palletteRGB.el (?) that will redefine the colors to fix the problem.

I hope this helps!
Chris McMahan


Richard Pieri writes:
 > >>>>> "BRH" == Brad R Haack <haack@hp403.den.mmc.com> writes:
 > 
 > BRH> If I set-background-color to anything other than white I get an
 > BRH> annoying (stipple?) pattern in addition to the requested color.
 > 
 > Regardless of your video hardware, Windows 3.x and 4.x (that means 95)
 > limit you to 16 "solid" colors, the system colors, for things like
 > window backgrounds.  Everything else is rendered as a stipple pattern
 > mixing several colors together (which looks hideous).  You need to
 > experiment a bit to find which color names map to the solid colors for
 > your system.
 > 
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From: atkins@herod.chrysalis.com (Aron Atkins)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs-19.14 on SunOS 4.1.3/4.1.4
Date: 25 Jul 1996 13:21:57 -0400
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I've just retrieved the binaries for SunOS 4.1.3 and am planning on using 
them under SunOS 4.1.4.  Upon installation, however, XEmacs gives the error:

Cannot open load file: cl-seq

The distribution was placed in /usr/local -- standard places, and I attempted
both an installation with everything (common & OS specific) in one place and
an installation with the common code in my common area.  I am not having this
problem with any other xemacs-19.14 installation.

Has anyone seen this or a similar problem?  I guess worst case would be to
rebuild xemacs from scratch, but I'd like to try and avoid that.

Thanks,
Aron

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From: Tuan Pham-Dinh <Dinh-Tuan.Pham@imag.fr>
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Subject: linking xemacs statically with xpm and jpeg
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	Hi,
	I just want to know if it is possible to compile xemacs with
xpm and jeg linked statically but the X11 stuff is still linked
dynamically. The reason is that I have compile xemacs on a sun Solaris
which has xpm installed and now I discovered that when I export thix
xemacs to another sun, it fail to work since the libXpm is missing. Of
course, one can intall libXpm, but a simpler solution is to have
libXpm linked statically so that it will work on any sun solaris. The
xpm lib. is rather small so it will not cause big increase in the size
of the binary. However, configure seems to set the link option
automaticaly to dynamic.

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From: mmitch@bnr.ca (Mike Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Help! How to see which line I'm editing?
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In article <4slqpr$9o0@erinews.ericsson.se>, etxnmmm@ny.ericsson.se (Mats Jansson) writes:
->I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't found any info in the docs. If you know how to do please reply here or e-mail me.
->
->thanks
->

There is a function "what-line" as well as a matching "goto-line" along all the
other suggestions.
-- 
Regards, Mike
[END]


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From: mmitch@bnr.ca (Mike Mitchell)
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Subject: Ange with Xemacs
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I use automatic file backup (don't we all?!) and have grown use to
the security of same.  

My ange package does not respect my normal backup file settings and
when I try to do a "ange-ftp-backup-buffer" and a couple of other
direct calls, the function is unknown.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks Much in Advance!!

-- 
Regards, Mike
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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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>>>>> Silvio Picano writes:

 spicano> Is there a way to disable this left menu?

Put in your .vm file:
	(setq vm-use-toolbar nil)



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I compiled and installed 19.14 on a Linux ELF system (2.0.8 kernel). Now
files that set local variables with -*- on the first line no longer do that.
I verified that enable-local-variables was set to t.

Setting "Local Variables:" at the end of the file still works.

I have looked in the FAQ -- nothing -- and also in info -- which still
claims that this should work. Please help!

Thanks,

-s
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In <jcoomes.838243824@cassius.cs.uiuc.edu> jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (coomes john w) writes:

>In <9607241037.AA19837@piccard.ddddf.com> "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
>
>>I have a weird problem: I use SCCS on a makefile. I use font-lock.
>>
>>When I check out the file to edit it, I get this warning:
>>
>>(1) (error/warning) Error in `pre-idle-hook' (setting hook to nil):
>>   (void-function makefile-space-face)
>
>I had a similar problem; fixed it by adding the following (additional)
>hook for makefile mode to my .emacs:
>
>	(if (= emacs-minor-version 14)
>	    (add-hook 'makefile-mode-hook
>		      (function (lambda () (makefile-define-space-face)))))

An update.  The above hook fixed a problem I had when fontifying an
existing makefile.  However, when editing a new makefile, if I insert a
tab and then a comment at the beginning of a line, I *still*
get the error you mentioned above.  

>Comparing make-mode.el with the Gnu Emacs 19.31 version, it appears
>that the condition guarding the call to makefile-define-space-face()
>in makefile-mode() is wrong in the XEmacs version.

This is all wrong; another poster pointed out the real problem.

In <31F53293.6291@hydro.on.ca> Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca> writes:
 
>xemacs 19.14
>
>Line 248 of make-mode.el results in a font-lock-keyword entry of the
>form
>
> ("^ +#" (makefile-space-face t))
>
>which font-lock mode interprets as an instruction to evaluate as a
>function call
> ...

The corresponding line from Gnu Emacs 19.31 make-mode.el is:

	'("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
		 ^^^

The second argument, 0, is missing in the XEmacs 19.14 version.
Adding it eliminated the error in the few tests that I ran.  YMMV.

-John

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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I've just started using Group Highlighting. Here's what I have in my .emacs:

  (setq gnus-group-highlight
	`(((> unread 100) .
	 ,(custom-face-lookup "Red" nil nil t nil nil))
	((> score 500) .
	 ,(custom-face-lookup "Violet" nil nil t nil nil))
	((zerop unread) .
	 ,(custom-face-lookup "SkyBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
	((or (< score 0) (and (> unread 0) (< unread 5))) .
	 ,(custom-face-lookup "Green" nil nil t nil nil))
	(t .
	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SteelBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
	))

Aside from that, I'm using the default XEmacs (19.14) colors which are 
(I think) MediumVioletRed on NavajoWhite1.

Yesterday, the colors defined for group highlighting used NavajoWhite1 as
the background, but now they use white (while the rest of the frame uses
NavajoWhite1. I don't think I made any changes yesterday that would have
caused this. It could be due to lack of colors, but that hasn't seemed to
have effected XEmacs 19.14 in other things. Besides, I restarted my window
manager (which usually succeeds in reinitializing the color palette) and
then I restarted XEmacs. But neither of these made any difference.

Does anyone have any other ideas about why this is happening?

-- 
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Just to follow up on this, I used the often-forgotten (by me anyway)
Customize feature. In the Custom buffer, the group line fonts all had the bg
color set to "default" which, elsewhere, worked to set it to NavajoWhite1,
but even in Custom the background for the word "Customized" was white! I
manual redefined each face (with bg set to "default") and now they work fine
(well, so far anyway). I still don't understand why "default" was being
interpreted as "white" though.

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Well I have another problem.

I have never been able to get ps-print to use any of the printer
vars.  Like the command and option vars.

I have set them and unset them so many times it makes my head spin.
Every single time I set them ps-print barks.  and nothing.

Since ps-print refuses to use the print command I need "lpr" I can not
get anything to print.  This is a shame I like ps print.  Also 
any printing in XEmacs is toast on my machine.  if I can get 
to use the "lpr" command instaed of "lp" I'll be fine.

So I geuss I'm asking this.
what are the EXACT lines I have to put into my .emacs file in order
to get all print function to use "lpr"?

Note the lp command on my machine and those around me is BRAIN DEAD
and I am not allowed to install the fix I have to use lpr.  You
wouldn't believe the number of tools that don't allow you to change your
printer command.  ARGHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..................


Mark Daku

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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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Subject: Help with gnus
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Hi all
	When I try to post some article, gnus doesnt wrap automatically.
I have to press enters? How should I solve thsi problem?

Ans also When I send gnus complains that my lines > 70 chars and also 
that my .signature is > 4 lines and I have to press y twice ....
How should I configure gnus so that I dont face these probs..

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan
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I asked this question a few days ago, but the problem hasn't been
solved.  My problem is how to add a directory, say /usr/local/bin, to
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I also have /usr/local/bin included in the path in the files
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weiping

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 and GNUS
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Arto V. Viitanen wrote:
> But, how can I set gnus to use netscape instead of W3-mode to fetch an url? I
> have gnus-button-url set to gnus-netscape-open-url, but still I get W3.

The only thing I have in my ~/.emacs file relative to Netscape is the following and it
works well for me:

(setq highlight-headers-follow-url-function 'highlight-headers-follow-url-netscape)

Howard Bergstrom                              bergy@vnet.ibm.com
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Ken Fox <fox@pt0204.pto.ford.com> wrote:
[...]
>I don't know about other people, but when I decide to write an Emacs
>extension, the fact that I have to use e-lisp is unrelated to the
>decision to write the extension.  What it all comes down to is that

That may be so for you (or me), but it is not true for others who may
not know e-lisp. One thread on gnu.misc.discuss recently went
something like this:

a> I sometimes use a commercial editor because it has a clipper mode. 

b> But Emacs could do that - just write a clipper mode.

a> I don't know elisp, I may get time to learn it one day, meantime
a> since I know C I've nearly finished my clipper mode for JED.

Looks like having to use e-lisp can be a deciding factor.

>Emacs can do it and nothing else comes close.  Hell, even if Emacs used
>Tcl, I'd still write extensions for it.  :-)

There are other extensible editors - some probably provide as much
built-in functionality as Emacs does and could therefore do anything
Emacs can.  Emacs has the advantage that it has been around for a long
time so there are a _lot_ of extensions already written for it.

>It seems to me that putting in an alternative extension language should
>become easier when e-lisp is built on top of guile.  There has been a
[...]

I'd like to see that too, as well as multiple language support it
might be compilable too - if it could turn e-lisp into C and then
produce a dynamically loadable module it would help performance
enormously. That and/or multi-threading - I often find myself starting
new emacsen instead of new frames simply because the existing emacs is
busy running slow e-lisp.

ray

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From: Liam Healy <Liam.Healy@nrl.navy.mil>
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Subject: Re: colorizing outline mode?
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jsamuels@hoffa.openport.com (Jordan A. Samuels) writes:

> 
> I am using XEmacs-19.14 (on SunOS 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1),
> and although I have the options set to maximum fontification (with colors), I
> can't get outline mode to colorize.  I am assuming it should, since
> (1) it does in Gnu Emacs, and 
> (2) XEmacs is very nice
> 
> Any help would be apprectiated.  Thanks a lot.
> 
>         Jordan
> 
> -- 
> Jordan Samuels                    URL: mailto:jsamuels@openport.com
> Open Port Technology              URL: http://www.openport.com

OK! I just answered this question for dired mode, so I'm ready with
the answer for outline mode.   Put these in a startup file (.emacs or
whatever): 

;;; Swiped from $EMACS_PATH/19.30/lisp/outline.el
(defvar outline-font-lock-keywords
  '(;; Highlight headings according to the level.
    ("^\\(\\*+\\)[ \t]*\\(.+\\)?[ \t]*$"
     (1 font-lock-string-face)
     (2 (let ((len (- (match-end 1) (match-beginning 1))))
	  (or (cdr (assq len '((1 . font-lock-outline0)
			       (2 . font-lock-outline1)
			       (3 . font-lock-outline2))))
	      font-lock-variable-name-face))
	nil t))
    ;; Highight citations of the form [1] and [Mar94].
    ("\\[\\([A-Z][A-Za-z]+\\)*[0-9]+\\]" . font-lock-type-face))
  "Additional expressions to highlight in Outline mode.")

;;; Make accessible from outline mode
(put 'outline-mode 'font-lock-defaults 'outline-font-lock-keywords)

Note I have altered this a little by defining my own faces
font-lock-outline0, etc., instead of glomming onto one of the existing
faces.  You may want to use the original.

Now why did they remove *-font-lock-keywords for outline and dired
modes?  


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Liam Healy
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: makefile mode - '$' behavior changed in 19.14?
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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.13, the makefile mode had a special binding to the '$'
> character - as soon as I hit the $ sign, cursor jumps to the
> mini-buffer and emacs would attemp to complete my typing with the
> macros (variables) that it recognizes. It had its drawback, but it
> was a nice feature. 
> 
> It seems to be gone from 19.14.

Most users probably find this feature too obnoxious, so it has been
`de-defaulted'.  To re-enable it, do:

(setq makefile-electric-keys t)

-- 
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From: Bill Clark <bclark@pixel.cirrus.com>
Subject: Re: uniquify.el of Emacs 19.31 not working with XEmacs 19.14
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Philippe.Gaudin@eurocontrol.be (Philippe Gaudin) writes:
> I have stolen the uniquify.el of Emacs 19.31 to use it with XEmacs 19.14
> but it doesn't work.
> 
> I get "Symbol's value as variable is void: list-buffers-directory" each
> time I try to open a file.
> 
> Is there somewhere another version of uniquify.el working with XEmacs
> 19.14?

I use this version; so far it's working fine for me in 19.14:


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; uniquify.el --- unique buffer names dependent on pathname

;; Copyright (c) 1989, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Dick King <king@kestrel>
;; Maintainer: Michael Ernst <mernst@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
;; Created: 15 May 86
;; Time-stamp: <95/06/13 07:22:22 mernst>

;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.

;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 1 as
;; published by the Free Software Foundation.

;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;;; Commentary:

;; Emacs's standard method for making buffer names unique involves adding
;; <2>, <3>, etc to the end of (all but one of) the buffers.  This file
;; replaces that behavior, for buffers visiting files and dired buffers,
;; with a uniquification that adds parts of the pathname until the buffer
;; names are unique.  For instance, buffers visiting /u/mernst/tmp/Makefile
;; and /usr/projects/zaphod/Makefile would be named Makefile|tmp/ and
;; Makefile|zaphod/, respectively (instead of Makefile and Makefile<2>).

;; To use this file, just load it.
;; To disable it after loading, set variable mnemonic-buffer-names to nil.
;; For other options, see "User-visible-variables", below.

;; Doesn't correctly handle buffer names created by M-x write-file in Emacs 18.

;;; Change Log:

;; Originally by Dick King <king@reasoning.com> 15 May 86
;; Converted for Emacs 18 by Stephen Gildea <gildea@lcs.mit.edu>
;; Make uniquify-min-dir-content 0 truly non-invasive. gildea 23 May 89
;; Some cleanup.  uniquify-min-dir-content default 0.  gildea 01 Jun 89
;; Don't rename to "".  Michael Ernst <mernst@microsoft.com> 15 Jun 94
;; Add kill-buffer-hook.  Kenneth Manheimer <ken.manheimer@nist.gov> 09 May 95
;; Add advice for rename-buffer and create-file-buffer, handle dired buffers,
;;  kill-buffer-rationalize-buffer-names-p, documentation.  mernst 24 May 95
;; Remove free variables, fix typos.  mernst 5 Jun 95
;; Efficiently support Emacs 19.27 & earlier.  ken.manheimer, mernst 10 Jun 95
;; Rename user options to "uniquify-...", add uniquify-reverse-dir-content-p,
;;  add uniquify-ask-about-buffer-names-p.  king, mernst 13 Jun 95

;;; Code:

(provide 'uniquify)

;;; User-visible variables

(defvar mnemonic-buffer-names t
  "*If non-nil, uniquifies buffer names with parts of directory name.")

(defvar uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p nil
  "*If non-nil, rerationalize buffer names after a buffer has been killed.
This can be dangerous if Emacs Lisp code is keeping track of buffers by their
names (rather than keeping pointers to the buffers themselves).")

;; Thanks to gyro@reasoning.com for this suggestion.
(defvar uniquify-reverse-dir-content-p nil
  "*If non-nil, put directory components in buffer name in reverse order.
For instance, files /foo/bar/mumble/baz and /foo/goo/mumble/baz would be
in buffers baz\mumble\bar and baz\mumble\goo
instead of baz|bar/mumble/ and baz|goo/mumble/.")

(defconst uniquify-ask-about-buffer-names-p nil
  "*If non-nil, permit user to choose names for buffers with same base file.
If the user chooses to name a buffer, uniquification is preempted and no
other buffer names are changed.")

(defvar uniquify-separator "|"
  "*String separating base file name from directory part in buffer names.
Ignored if `uniquify-reverse-dir-content-p is non-nil.")

(defvar uniquify-min-dir-content 0
  "*Minimum parts of directory pathname included in buffer name.")

;;; Utilities

(defmacro uniquify-push (item list)
  (` (setq (, list) (cons (, item) (, list)))))

(defmacro fix-list-base (a)
  (` (car (, a))))

(defmacro fix-list-filename (a)
  (` (car (cdr (, a)))))

(defmacro fix-list-buffer (a)
  (` (car (cdr (cdr (, a))))))

(defmacro uniquify-cadddr (a)
  (` (car (cdr (cdr (cdr (, a)))))))

;; Internal variables used free
(defvar uniquify-non-file-buffer-names nil)
(defvar uniquify-possibly-resolvable nil)

;;; Main entry point.

(defun rationalize-file-buffer-names (&optional newbuffile newbuf)
  "Makes file buffer names unique by adding segments from pathname.
If `uniquify-min-dir-content' > 0, always pulls that many
pathname elements.  Arguments cause only a subset of buffers to be renamed."
  (interactive)
  (let (fix-list
	uniquify-non-file-buffer-names
	(depth uniquify-min-dir-content))
    (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
      (while buffers
	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
	       (bfn (if (eq buffer newbuf)
			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))
	       (deserving (and rawname
			       (or (not newbuffile)
				   (equal rawname
					  (file-name-nondirectory newbuffile))))))
	  (if deserving
	      (uniquify-push (list rawname bfn buffer nil) fix-list)
	    (uniquify-push (list (buffer-name buffer))
			   uniquify-non-file-buffer-names)))
	(setq buffers (cdr buffers))))
    ;; selects buffers whose names may need changing, and others that
    ;; may conflict.
    (setq fix-list
	  (sort fix-list 'backward-filename-string-lessp-fix-list-filename))
    ;; bringing conflicting names together
    (rationalize-a-list fix-list depth)
    (mapcar 'do-the-buffers-you-couldnt-rationalize fix-list)))

(defun buffer-file-name-for-uniquify (buffer)
  "Return name of file BUFFER is visiting, or nil if none.
Works on dired buffers as well as ordinary file-visiting buffers."
  (or (buffer-file-name buffer)
      ;; This should perhaps use list-buffers-directory instead.
      (and (boundp 'dired-directory)	; equivalently, (featurep 'dired)
	   (save-excursion
	     (set-buffer buffer)
	     (and dired-directory
		  (expand-file-name
		   (directory-file-name
		    (if (consp dired-directory)
			(car dired-directory)
		      dired-directory))))))))

(defun backward-filename-string-lessp-fix-list-filename (s1 s2)
  (backward-filename-string-lessp
   (fix-list-filename s1) (fix-list-filename s2)))

(defun backward-filename-string-lessp (s1 s2)
  (let ((s1f (file-name-nondirectory s1))
	(s2f (file-name-nondirectory s2)))
    (and (not (equal s2f ""))
	 (or (string-lessp s1f s2f)
	     (and (equal s1f s2f)
		  (let ((s1d (file-name-directory s1))
			(s2d (file-name-directory s2)))
		    (and (not (<= (length s2d) 1))
			 (or (<= (length s1d) 1)
			     (backward-filename-string-lessp
			      (substring s1d 0 -1)
			      (substring s2d 0 -1))))))))))

(defun do-the-buffers-you-couldnt-rationalize (item)
  (or (uniquify-cadddr item) nil))	;maybe better in the future

(defun rationalize-a-list (fix-list depth)
  (let (conflicting-sublist
	(old-name "")
	proposed-name uniquify-possibly-resolvable)
    (let ((fix-list-items fix-list))
      (while fix-list-items
	(let ((item (car fix-list-items)))
	  (setq proposed-name (get-proposed-name item depth))
	  (if (not (equal proposed-name old-name))
	      (progn
		(process-conflicting-sublist conflicting-sublist old-name depth)
		(setq conflicting-sublist nil)))
	  (uniquify-push item conflicting-sublist)
	  (setq old-name proposed-name))
	(setq fix-list-items (cdr fix-list-items))))
    (process-conflicting-sublist conflicting-sublist old-name depth)))

(defun get-proposed-name (item depth)
  (let (index
	(extra-string "") (n depth)
	(base (fix-list-base item)) (fn (fix-list-filename item)))
    (while (and (> n 0)
		(setq index (string-match
			     (concat "\\(^\\|/[^/]*\\)/"
				     (regexp-quote extra-string)
				     (regexp-quote base)
				     "\\'")
			     fn)))
      (setq extra-string (substring fn
				    (if (zerop index) 0 (1+ index))
				    ;; (- (length base)) fails for base = "".
				    ;; Equivalently, we could have used
				    ;; (apply 'substring ...
				    ;;        (and (not (string= "" base))
				    ;;             (list (- (length base)))))
				    (- (length fn) (length base)))
	    n (1- n)))
    (if (zerop n) (setq uniquify-possibly-resolvable t))
    (if uniquify-reverse-dir-content-p
	(setq extra-string (uniquify-reverse-components extra-string)))
    (cond ((string-equal extra-string "")
	   base)
	  ((string-equal base "")
	   extra-string)
	  (t
	   (concat base uniquify-separator extra-string)))))

;; Deal with conflicting-sublist, which is set by rationalize-a-list.
;; This is only called by rationalize-a-list.
(defun process-conflicting-sublist (conflicting-sublist old-name depth)
  (or (null conflicting-sublist)
      (and (null (cdr conflicting-sublist))
	   (not (assoc old-name uniquify-non-file-buffer-names))
	   (or (and (not (string= old-name ""))
		    (rename-the-buffer (car conflicting-sublist) old-name))
	       t))
      (if uniquify-possibly-resolvable
	  (rationalize-a-list conflicting-sublist (1+ depth)))))

(defun rename-the-buffer (item newname)
  (let ((buffer (fix-list-buffer item)))
    (if (not (equal newname (buffer-name buffer)))
	(let ((unset (current-buffer))
	      ;; avoid hooks on rename-buffer
	      (mnemonic-buffer-names nil))
	  (set-buffer buffer)
	  (rename-buffer newname)
	  (set-buffer unset))))
  (rplaca (nthcdr 3 item) t))

(defun uniquify-reverse-components (instring)
  (let ((sofar ()) (cursor 0) (len (length instring)))
    (while (< cursor len)
      (if (= (aref instring cursor) ?/)
          (setq sofar (cons "\\" sofar)
                cursor (1+ cursor))
        (let ((first-slash (or (string-match "/" instring cursor) len)))
          (setq sofar (cons (substring instring cursor first-slash) sofar)
                cursor first-slash))))
    (apply (function concat) sofar)))


;;; Hooks from the rest of Emacs

(cond
 ((string-match "^19" emacs-version)
  ;; Emacs 19

  ;; The logical place to put all this code is in generate-new-buffer-name.
  ;; It's written in C, so we would add a generate-new-buffer-name-function
  ;; which, if non-nil, would be called instead of the C.  One problem with
  ;; that is that generate-new-buffer-name takes a potential buffer name as
  ;; its argument -- not other information, such as what file the buffer will
  ;; visit.

  ;; The below solution works because generate-new-buffer-name is called
  ;; only by rename-buffer (which, as of 19.29, is never called from C) and
  ;; generate-new-buffer, which is called only by Lisp functions
  ;; create-file-buffer and rename-uniquely.  Rename-uniquely generally
  ;; isn't used for buffers visiting files, so it's sufficient to hook
  ;; rename-buffer and create-file-buffer.  (Setting find-file-hooks isn't
  ;; sufficient.)

  (defadvice rename-buffer (after rename-buffer-uniquify activate)
    "Uniquify buffer names with parts of directory name."
    (if (and mnemonic-buffer-names
	     ;; UNIQUE argument
	     (ad-get-arg 1))
	(progn
	  (if uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p
	      ;; call with no argument; rationalize vs. old name as well as new
	      (rationalize-file-buffer-names)
	    ;; call with argument: rationalize vs. new name only
	    (rationalize-file-buffer-names
	     (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify (current-buffer)) (current-buffer)))
	  (setq ad-return-value (buffer-name (current-buffer))))))

  (defadvice create-file-buffer (after create-file-buffer-uniquify activate)
    "Uniquify buffer names with parts of directory name."
    (if mnemonic-buffer-names
	(rationalize-file-buffer-names (ad-get-arg 0) ad-return-value)))

  ;; Buffer deletion
  ;; Rerationalize after a buffer is killed, to reduce coinciding buffer names.
  ;; This mechanism uses `kill-buffer-hook', which runs *before* deletion.
  ;; That means that the kill-buffer-hook function cannot just delete the
  ;; buffer -- it has to set something to do the rationalization *later*.
  ;; It actually puts another function on `post-command-hook'.  This other
  ;; function runs the rationalization and then removes itself from the hook.
  ;; Is there a better way to accomplish this?
  ;; (This ought to set some global variables so the work is done only for
  ;; buffers with names similar to the deleted buffer.  -MDE)

  (cond
   ((not (string-lessp emacs-version "19.28"))
    ;; Emacs 19.28 or later
    (defun delay-rationalize-file-buffer-names ()
      "Add `delayed-rationalize-file-buffer-names' to `post-command-hook'.
For use on, eg, `kill-buffer-hook', to rationalize *after* buffer deletion."
      (if (and mnemonic-buffer-names
	       uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p)
	  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'delayed-rationalize-file-buffer-names)))
    (defun delayed-rationalize-file-buffer-names ()
      "Rerationalize buffer names and remove self from `post-command-hook'.
See also `delay-rationalize-file-buffer-names' for hook setter."
      (rationalize-file-buffer-names)
      (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'delayed-rationalize-file-buffer-names))

    (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'delay-rationalize-file-buffer-names))
   (t
    ;; Emacs 19.01 through 19.27
    ;; Before version 19.28, {pre,post}-command-hook was unable to set itself.

    (defvar post-command-do-rationalize-p nil
      "Set to trigger re-rationalization of buffer names by function on
post-command-hook.  Used by kill-buffer-rationalization mechanism.")

    (defun prime-post-command-rerationalization ()
      "Set variable so buffer names may be rationalized by post-command-hook.

See variables `post-command-do-rationalize-p', `mnemonic-buffer-names', and
`uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p'."
      (if (and mnemonic-buffer-names
	       uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p)
	  (setq post-command-do-rationalize-p
		;; Note that we set the buffer name, so, once the
		;; delimiter character is parameterized, we could
		;; selectively rationalize just related buffer names... klm.
		(cons (buffer-name) post-command-do-rationalize-p))))
    (defun rationalize-after-buffer-kill ()
      "Via post-command-hook, rerationalize buffer names after kill-buffer.

Checks `post-command-do-rationalize-p', which should be set by
`post-command-rationalize-buffer-names' function on kill-buffer-hook."
      (if post-command-do-rationalize-p
	  (progn (if (and mnemonic-buffer-names
			  uniquify-after-kill-buffer-p)
		     (rationalize-file-buffer-names))
		 (setq post-command-do-rationalize-p nil))))

    (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'prime-post-command-rerationalization)
    (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rationalize-after-buffer-kill))
  ))
 (t
  ;; Emacs 18: redefine create-file-buffer and dired-find-buffer.

  ;; Since advice.el can run in Emacs 18 as well as Emacs 19, we could use
  ;; advice here, too, if it is available; but it's not worth it, since
  ;; Emacs 18 is obsolescent anyway.

  (defun create-file-buffer (filename)	;from files.el
    "Create a suitably named buffer for visiting FILENAME, and return it."
    (let ((base (file-name-nondirectory filename)))
      (if (string= base "")
	  (setq base filename))
      (if (and (get-buffer base)
	       uniquify-ask-about-buffer-names-p)
	  (get-buffer-create
	   (let ((tem (read-string (format
				    "Buffer name \"%s\" is in use; type a new name, or Return to clobber: "
                                    base))))
	     (if (equal tem "") base tem)))
	(let ((buf (generate-new-buffer base)))
	  (if mnemonic-buffer-names
	      (rationalize-file-buffer-names filename buf))
	  buf))))

  (defun dired-find-buffer (dirname)	;from dired.el
    (let ((blist (buffer-list))
	  found)
      (while blist
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer (car blist))
	  (if (and (eq major-mode 'dired-mode)
		   (equal dired-directory dirname))
	      (setq found (car blist)
		    blist nil)
	    (setq blist (cdr blist)))))
      (or found
	  (progn (if (string-match "/$" dirname)
		     (setq dirname (substring dirname 0 -1)))
		 (create-file-buffer (if mnemonic-buffer-names
					 dirname
				       (file-name-nondirectory dirname)))))))))

;;; uniquify.el ends here


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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 and dired directory name color highlighting
Date: 25 Jul 1996 17:43:08 -0400
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> 
> 
> Hi -
> 
> In XEmacs 19.13, dired would color highlight the directory names
> in the dired buffer.  However, in XEmacs 19.14, the directory names
> are not color highlighted.  In my .emacs, I have the
> 'turn-on-font-lock added to my dired-mode-hook.
> 
> Any ideas ?
> 
> -- 
> Ken Whedbee 
> whedbee@ddi.digital.net

Yup.  Do what I did and swipe the code from GNU Emacs (I moved from
GNU Emacs 19.30 to XEmacs 19.14 and noticed the loss)


;;; swiped from $EMACS_PATH/19.30/lisp/dired.el
(defvar dired-font-lock-keywords
  '(;; Put directory headers in italics.
    ("^  \\(/.+\\)" 1 font-lock-type-face)
    ;; Put symlinks in bold italics.
    ("\\([^ ]+\\) -> [^ ]+$" . font-lock-function-name-face)
    ;; Put marks in bold.
    ("^[^ ]" . font-lock-reference-face)
    ;; Put files that are subdirectories in bold.
    ("^..d.* \\([^ ]+\\)$" 1 font-lock-keyword-face))
  "Additional expressions to highlight in Dired mode.")

(put 'dired-mode 'font-lock-defaults 'dired-font-lock-keywords)


Load this somewhere in your startup (.emacs, etc.)  I also did a
similar thing for outline mode, for which font-lock-keywords had also
been removed.


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>>>>> "Shamim" == Shamim Zvonko Mohamed <shamim@synopsys.com> writes:

Shamim> I compiled and installed 19.14 on a Linux ELF system (2.0.8
Shamim> kernel). Now files that set local variables with -*- on the
Shamim> first line no longer do that.  I verified that
Shamim> enable-local-variables was set to t.

Shamim> Setting "Local Variables:" at the end of the file still works.

Shamim> I have looked in the FAQ -- nothing -- and also in info --
Shamim> which still claims that this should work. Please help!

It works for me.  Why don't you post an example?

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>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

Sobhan> Hi all
Sobhan> 	When I try to post some article, gnus doesnt wrap
Sobhan> automatically.  I have to press enters? How should I solve
Sobhan> thsi problem?

I enable auto-fill and filladapt like this:
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)


Sobhan> Ans also When I send gnus complains that my lines > 70 chars

Your lines are too long.  Fill them with M-q to shorten them up, or
use auto-fill.  I like to use both.

Sobhan> and also that my .signature is > 4 lines and I have to press y
Sobhan> twice ....  How should I configure gnus so that I dont face
Sobhan> these probs..

Delete the trailing blank line in your .signature, so it will only be
4 lines long instead of 5.

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-solaris2.4) of Tue Jul  9 1996 on vivid


Seems like the 7th line below should be uncommented and the 10th
should be commented.  Limited testing indicates setting
emerge-mark-with-text to nil mostly works.  (Doesn't seem to work when
only a newline is involved.  Pressing b deleted text.)


;; Set up the face to highlight the current difference
(if emerge-xemacs-p
    (or (and (find-face 'emerge-highlight-face)
	     (face-differs-from-default-p 'emerge-highlight-face))
	(copy-face 'bold-italic 'emerge-highlight-face)))

;;(defvar emerge-mark-with-text (not emerge-xemacs-p))
;; this doesn't work yet -jwz
;; and probably never will now that there's ediff --stig
(defvar emerge-mark-with-text t)

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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

    Ben> In article <87g26kk7gq.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net>,
    Ben> Philippe Troin  <phil@sj-coop.net> wrote:

    Ben> |A simple experiment from the top of Emacs 19.31 source tree:
    Ben> |And I was just saying that even some very common functions
    Ben> |(byte-run,, [51 chars...]  |`open-line', etc...) are actually
    Ben> |coded in elisp.

    Ben> The E-Lisp counts are misleading because the vast majority of
    Ben> that code is non-essential stuff such as VM, RMAIL, GNUS,
    Ben> etc.  In a typical Emacs session where you're editing (say) a
    Ben> bunch of C files, you're actually using a lot more C code
    Ben> than E-Lisp code.

I fully agree with you on that point. But a lot of emacs functionality
and versatility comes from elisp. I've got an emacs session running
right now that's 8 days old, and most of the elisp packages have been
loaded (No, I won't show you my features variable).

The original remark I was making was after this comment:

>>>>> "Anil" == Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu>
    Anil> 1. emacs suffers from the fact that the editor is written in
    Anil> c but the interpreted language is elisp. If the language to
    Anil> write the editor and the language to program the editor are
    Anil> the same, extensions of the editor would be trivial.

And I was just saying that many of the editing functions were in
elisp, I think you'll agree on that point.

These mega-threads get posts and posts and the original
problems/questions get diluted... I admit I contributed the dilution
:-)

Phil.

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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

    Ben> In general, my frustrations with RMS result not so much from
    Ben> paranoid delusions or some self-serving assholeness or
    Ben> whatever else you feel it necessary to accuse me of, but from
    Ben> having spent countless hours trying to work out a merge of
    Ben> FSF Emacs and XEmacs, and countless more hours rewriting
    Ben> RMS's code, and countless more hours trying to figure out
    Ben> ways to remain compatible with FSF Emacs after RMS went yet
    Ben> again and made a change to FSF Emacs that ignored prior work
    Ben> along the same lines in XEmacs.

FIRST OF ALL, I'm not advocating for FSF Emacs or XEmacs.  Just to
tell my feeling about the Emacsen wars...

1) Ben, what about RMS's feeling about you, the XEmacs developpers ?
I've not seen him posting yet the kind of things you've been posting
about him. Never seen any document saying that the merge failed
because of 'XEmacs'developpers deep faith in outrageous
encapsulation'.

2) Once, I wanted to try XEmacs. Read the FAQ. I was so hurt by all
the bashing and criticisms about FSF Emacs (called ironically RMS
Emacs), that I din't go further. This was two months ago.

Phil.

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I guess you can ignore the previously submitted bug report with this
subject.  I now see ediff has emerge's functionality.  Ediff seems to
have grown since I last used it.

-Steve


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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on serv-201

The implementation of anchored keywords in font-lock.el trips up
make-mode.el.

*** make-mode.el	1996/07/26 09:29:21	1.1
--- make-mode.el	1996/07/26 10:30:31
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.
--- 245,251 ----
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.

--- alastair


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Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:
> 
> Andy Norman wrote:
> >   (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
> 
> This gives you the frame at startup-time. Wouldn't it be nice to have
> some kind of lambda function that gives the frame at the time
> gnuclient is started?
> 
> I played around with this a bit but my lisp is not good enough for
> all the lambda-stuff :-(. Maybe someone else could point me in the
> right direction?

Hi,

the following works fine for me. It may not be perfect :-)

------------------------->8 -------------------------
(require 'gnuserv)
;;; Files from edit server will be opened in the selected frame.
;;; If this frame is deleted we will select another frame to use.

;; Selects another frame for the edit server to use if the frame actually
;; used is deleted.
(add-hook 'delete-frame-hook
	  '(lambda (frame) (if (eq frame gnuserv-frame)
			  (setq gnuserv-frame (next-frame frame nil)))))

;; Makes the selected frame respond to edit server requests.
(add-hook 'select-frame-hook
	  '(lambda () (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))))

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
;;; start edit server
(server-start)
------------------------->8 -------------------------

Hope it helps,

MGri
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>>>>> "Frederic" == Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

Frederic> Hello, Is it possible to print two pages on one paper sheet with
Frederic> ps-print-(buffer/region)-with-faces?

I think it still is on the Todo list for ps-print. I have a runaround for this
thanks to a little perl script, the psmulti utility and the following setting:

(setq ps-lpr-command "lpmulti"
      ps-lpr-switches nil
      ps-paper-type 'ps-a4)

As far as I remember a script was needed because of the pipe 
stdout | psmulti | lp

Maybe a script is not absolutely required but it works !

Note lpmulti prints 2 pages/sheet by default.


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#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
#      lpmulti
#      -------
#
#          A script that prints multiple Postscript pages onto a single page
#
#          (c)1996 Oscar Figueiredo
#

require "getopt.pl";

&Getopt('pd');

if ($opt_h) {
  print "lpmulti : Usage: lpmulti [-h] [-p pages] [-d printer] [files...]\n";
  print "   -h         : Displays this help message\n";
  print "   -p pages   : Number of logical page to print on a physical page\n";
  print "   -d printer : Printer name\n";
  print "   files      : Postscript files to print. If none given print from stdin.\n";
  exit 0;
}
 
$pages = ($opt_p) ? $opt_p : 2;
$printer = ($opt_d) ? "-d $opt_d" : "";

open(STDOUT,"| psmulti -pages $pages | lp $printer");

while (<>) {
	print $_;
}


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Hope this helps,

Oscar

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From: wing@666.com (Ben Wing)
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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In article <3047243170642273@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|in particular, if, instead of programmers complaining about new versions
|breaking code from previous versions, a package could load a "compatibility
|package" according to which Emacs it was compiled for.  these packages
|could be implemented as advice on the functions that had changed in since
|that version to restore the old behavior if called from a function had an
|appropriate version property.  (yes, "caller identification" is available
|to Emacs Lisp functions through the Emacs Lisp backtrace mechanism.) this
|would slow things down _somewhat_, but compared to _totally_ as when things
|don't work, it should be acceptable.
|
|such versioning schemes are somewhat tricky to implement, but they would
|have been _extremely_ welcome from both a programmer's and a users' point
|of view.
|
|(and please don't tell me this is impossible.  my first brush with a real
|and functioning compatibility package was PA1050, although it worked on a
|very different principle.  (quiz time!  which OS'es did it provide a bridge
|between?))

It's not only not impossible, it's been implemented!  Take a look at the
sysdep.el package that comes with W3; it attempts to do exactly this,
although it's not complete.  I wrote the first version, and Bill Perry
has extended it with stuff he needs for W3.

ben

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From: wing@666.com (Ben Wing)
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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In article <AMITP.96Jul24180322@Ghoti.Stanford.EDU>,
Amit J Patel <amitp@Ghoti.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
|
|Ben, what do you _want_ in a GUI API?  I'm curious because there are
|lots of things I've wanted and never found.  For example, the
|Observer/Subject design pattern seems to work far better for dialog
|boxes than the message sending paradigm, and multiple threads work
|pretty well too.

My biggest complaint about every GUI API I've seen is it's lack of
"intuitiveness" -- i.e. once I'm familiar with the API, I ought to
be able to write code, get it to compile, run it, spend a small amount
of time fixing silly problems, and then have it work as expected.
Many API's do indeed work like this, but every GUI API fails miserably --
whenever I've had to do anything GUI that's reasonably complicated,
I've spent weeks and weeks tracking down really weird problems and writing
kludge after kludge to work around weird unexpected behaviors and GUI
bugs and such.  When working on XEmacs, working with Xt was the only
part I really dreaded; likewise when working with the Windows API, and
I've heard similar things said about the Mac API.

(Actually, I think the Windows API is actually more "intuitive" than
Xt in this sense, even though it's extremely quirky and is inconsistent,
ugly, and badly documented.  One of the biggest reasons I think this
is that the Windows API is lower-level.  The two worst aspects of Xt
are both things where the toolkit is trying to be too clever -- geometry
management and its custom-baked object system.)

ben

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From: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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In article <87u3uv1ypa.fsf@tantale.sj-coop.net> Philippe Troin <phil@sj-coop.net> writes:

   FIRST OF ALL, I'm not advocating for FSF Emacs or XEmacs.  Just to
   tell my feeling about the Emacsen wars...

   1) Ben, what about RMS's feeling about you, the XEmacs developpers ?
   I've not seen him posting yet the kind of things you've been posting
   about him. Never seen any document saying that the merge failed
   because of 'XEmacs'developpers deep faith in outrageous
   encapsulation'.

First, you could not have seen him posting anything about XEmacs
because he is not posting at all (apart from announcements).

Second, you will not hear much from RMS about XEmacs because basically
he ignores it. He will not mention it in documents accompanying his
emacs, he will not look into its interfaces, he will not, when
programming similar things into GNU Emacs, try to use similar
conventions. The FSF will not even distribute XEmacs (while
distributing lots of other things under GPL and even weaker
licences).

In short, for RMS XEmacs does not exist, so you hear no statements
from him about it. Whether this stance is better might be doubted.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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From: "Jerry G. DeLapp" <jgd@lanl.gov>
To: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: ps-print problems
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Reply-To: "Jerry G. DeLapp" <jgd@lanl.gov>

>>>>> In article <esqu3uwnlth.fsf@nortel.ca>, daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

Mark> So I geuss I'm asking this.  what are the EXACT lines I have to put into
Mark> my .emacs file in order to get all print function to use "lpr"?

In .emacs...

          (setq-default lpr-command "/usr/bsd/lpr")
          ;; To get definitions to enable you to...
          (require 'ps-print)
          ;; make the toolbar button pretty-print
          (fset 'lpr-buffer 'ps-print-buffer-with-faces)

And if you use VM, in .vm...

;; Make the left toolbar pretty print
(fset 'vm-toolbar-print-command 'ps-vm-print-message-from-summary)

-- 
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In article <slrn4urp2a.6c.dcook@xenu.utexas.edu>,
	dcook@xenu.utexas.edu (David M. Cook) writes:
> I'm trying to compile AucTeX (9.4g) for XEmacs (19.14).  I replaced emacs 
> with xemacs everywhere in the Makefile, but when it gets to this part:
> 
> xemacs -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer -f batch-byte-compile 
> auc-old.el  tex.el ...
> 

I got the same problem, when I installed AucTeX (9.4g) with the new 
XEmacs (19.14). I do not know what the problem is, but to get around it
I did the byte-compilation in an running XEmacs. That works!

> it doesn't produce the needed .elc files (nor does it produce any 
> errors).  Is there something else I need to modify?  Or perhaps I'm 
> missing something from my xemacs installation?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave Cook
> 


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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Oh no! here we go again (was Re: emacs rewritten in java ?)
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Reply-To: "Jerry G. DeLapp" <jgd@lanl.gov>

Please let's not revive the old 'XEmacs vs Emacs' or 'RMS vs XEmacs'
bitchfest.  Those of us who have been reading this list for years just cringe
when this thread raises its ugly head once again.  It just pollutes the
mailing list with tons of messages which basically rehash an old topic.

At the very least, if you must spew on this topic, please have the courtesy to
change the subject from 'Re: emacs rewritten in java ?' to something else.
The old difference of opinion between the XEmacs folks and the FSF folks
really has nothing to do with java.

If you care about the old "why don't we merge" strife, go read the
comp.emacs.xemacs archives.  Scanning them for the string RMS should give you
more than you ever care to know on this topic.

This will be my only posting on this subject.

Dreading another session of wearing out my 'd' key, I am...

-- 
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on serv-201

emacsbug.el contains, ironically, three bugs.

*** emacsbug.el	1996/07/26 10:32:31	1.1
--- emacsbug.el	1996/07/26 10:42:52
***************
*** 53,67 ****
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward (concat "^" (regexp-quote mail-header-separator) "\n"))
    (insert "In " (emacs-version) "\n")
!   (if (and system-configuration-options
  	   (not (equal system-configuration-options "")))
        (insert "configured using `configure "
  	      system-configuration-options "'\n"))
    (insert "\n")
    ;; This is so the user has to type something
    ;; in order to send easily.
!   (use-local-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) (current-local-map)))
!   (define-key (current-local-map) "\C-c\C-i" 'report-emacs-bug-info)
    (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Bug Help*"
      (princ (substitute-command-keys
  	    "Type \\[mail-send-and-exit] to send the bug report.\n"))
--- 53,68 ----
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward (concat "^" (regexp-quote mail-header-separator) "\n"))
    (insert "In " (emacs-version) "\n")
!   (if (and (boundp 'system-configuration-options)
! 	   system-configuration-options
  	   (not (equal system-configuration-options "")))
        (insert "configured using `configure "
  	      system-configuration-options "'\n"))
    (insert "\n")
    ;; This is so the user has to type something
    ;; in order to send easily.
!   ;; (use-local-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) (current-local-map)))
!   ;; (define-key (current-local-map) "\C-c\C-i" 'report-emacs-bug-info)
    (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Bug Help*"
      (princ (substitute-command-keys
  	    "Type \\[mail-send-and-exit] to send the bug report.\n"))
***************
*** 85,91 ****
    (interactive)
    (info)
    (Info-directory)
!   (Info-menu "emacs")
    (Info-goto-node "Bugs"))
  
  (defun report-emacs-bug-hook ()
--- 86,92 ----
    (interactive)
    (info)
    (Info-directory)
!   (Info-menu "xemacs")
    (Info-goto-node "Bugs"))
  
  (defun report-emacs-bug-hook ()


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David Kastrup (dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:
: The prefix keys (H and K and so) don't work properly with XEmacs
: 19.14. They won't with Emacs 19.30, either, btw.

Yes, really. But when I installed it, I somehow fixed the code to work with
19.30. I think I still have the corect code.

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I would like to set up filladapt so that is will indent a paragraph
based on the indentation of the second line, and not the first; like
it is currently.  However, what I would like to change is the default
'position' of the second line.  Currently the second line is indented
like the first line, so if you want the first line to be indented and
not the second, you need to remove the leading spaces from the second
line.   However, I would like to set it up so the second line is not
indented at all in a paragraph.  However, any changes to the second
line's indentation will affect the following lines.

Thanks,
	Neil Buesing
	buesing@demaco.com

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I am an experienced user of GNU Emacs and I thought I would give
XEmacs a try. Is there some manual/infofile/documentation that
describes the differences between GNU Emacs and XEmacs? I am more
interested in the differences in the user interface than in the
internal API.


nb. This is *not* an invitation to a flamewar about which version is
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In article <Dv5J68.450@news.cern.ch> fbezrouk@axnd02.cern.ch (Fedor Bezrouk) writes:

   David Kastrup (dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:
   : The prefix keys (H and K and so) don't work properly with XEmacs
   : 19.14. They won't with Emacs 19.30, either, btw.

   Yes, really. But when I installed it, I somehow fixed the code to work with
   19.30. I think I still have the corect code.

Congratulations. Perhaps it would be possible to check what exactly it
was that you changed? Might be worth uploading to prep.ai.mit.edu as
well...
-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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When I use Xemacs I always have two windows (not frames... two areas
within a single frame). The bottom one almost always has a shell process
running in it and is roughly 25% of the total size of my xemacs frame.

Here's the rub:

With 19.14 that window seems to get resized a lot, during minibuffer
completion and other random places where some command needs a second
window. *sometimes* pressing "q" in that window will revert it to it's
original size, and *sometimes* cancelling the command does so as well,
but I find myself resizing that window a lot more in 19.14 than I ever
did in 19.13. 

The question, then, is this: can I set some variable somewhere that
forces the size of that window to be enforced at all times? I guess what
I need to do is figure out what commands leave the window in it's new
size and see if I can fix them for the distribution. In the meantime I
would like to find a fix.
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I just switched over from good old Lemacs to XEmacs-19.14 - what a great
improvement - I'm addicted already.

However there are two things I would like to sort out.  First, how can I
get the input focus of the frame change to the newly selected frame after
doing an "other-frame".  Currently I need to grab the mouse and move it
over the selected frame to get the input focus to work properly in that
frame.  What I need is either a routine that moves the mouse pointer to the
selected window or better one that does a non-mouse-driven input focus
switch to the other frame.  Does anyone know a fix for this.  Oh yeah, I'm
using tcwm on a Linux system.

Second, I was wondering if anyone knows a cosmetic fix to the undersized
ispell-choices window.  The bottom half of the last line of choices is cut
off by the window separation bar.  I tried increasing the value of
"ispell-choices-win-default-height" but this does not seem to solve the
problem.  In fact it sometimes triggers an "out of range" error message.

With apologies for asking "trivial questions",

	-Klaus

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Can someone give me information on where I could get a version of
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I hate to be a gimp, but I'm having trouble getting Gnus 5.2.37 
to work with XEmacs 19.13.  I installed Gnus as per its readme,
and the configure seemed to go ok.  I added the necessary lines to
my .emacs file, and when I do M-x gnus, I get a message in the
minibuffer: Could not open load file: browse-url

  I'm a newcomer to the emacs world, and I know absolutley nothing
of Lisp, so please excuse my ignorance in this area.

thanks,
Brian Naylor
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robert.ribnitz@unifr.ch (Robert Ribnitz) writes:

> 
> Hi there,
> this is my firts posting to this gorup. (so sorry for anything I might
> di wrong..)
> 
> This is the environment I work in: 
> 
> 	XEmacs 19.14
> 	Sparc Sun SOLARIS 
> 	(SParcstation 5 with 64 MB RAM)
> 
> Having to develop a large program in C, (may files in different
> directories), I started using VC ..
> 
> I have the problem that I do not find odcumentation for this utility
> (the unix command VC seems ot do something else, in the FAQ's VC is

It's been moved.  You can find the documentation if you look in info
(press the "I" icon).  VC is buried there in the XEmacs entry.

Ray

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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: starting VM without starting entire xemacs system
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Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:

> >>>> 'Frederic Labrosse (labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca)' asked the following:

>  FL> How can I write a script shell (in sh or csh) to edit a new file in the
>  FL> current running xemacs (shell wich lets me doing the command
>  FL> 'edit foo.txt' for example)?

> Here's what I do since by habit I *still* type 'vi' whenever I'm at a prompt,
> even if I'm in a shell within Emacs:

>   1) in my $HOME/.emacs file
>        (gnuserv-start)

>   2) in my $HOME/.kshrc file (I use Korn shell)
>         alias vi=gnuclient
>         export EDITOR=gnuclient

Ouch!  Bad, bad, bad...

That last line has a couple of problems with it:

1. You should never set environment variables in .kshrc/.cshrc -- only in
   .profile/.login (I can't believe how many people get caught by this!).
   With your way, if you reset an environment variable temporarily while
   logged in, the .kshrc will reset it back to your default in any subshells.
   Its amazing how much havoc this can cause.
2. I'm not sure what effect this has on your KShell command line editing.  The
   EDITOR or VISUAL variable should be set to something ending in emacs, so,
   in this case, you probably also want to add a VISUAL variable.

-- 
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From: Spencer Allan Smith <spencera@lazarus.uoregon.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: fontlock definitions for Tcl/Tk highlighting
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:58:53 -0700
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Does anyone have a set of definitions for the keywords associated with
Tcl/Tk that I can bolt on to fontlock, so that keywords such as "set",
"lindex", "button" etc. can be colorized and highlighted?

Failing an already implemented solution, could someone please give me a
URL or FTP pointer to fontlock information, and the elisp
variables/syntax that I could redefine the keywords list? I've tried
going through Emacs Info, and I couldnt' find enough information to do
what I'd like to do.

Thanks! If I have a working solution, I will post it for others to
utilize.
-- 
Spencer A. Smith       e-mail spencera@cs.uoregon.edu
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"Unless you stalk and overrun,
You can't devour anyone."
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Subject: Re: Problem with AUCTEX. Need help.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:26:47 -0400
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Denis Sevee wrote:
> 
>  I've installed the latest XEMACS and it seems to be working fine.
>  I've compiled the latest AUCTEX.
>  Now when I run XEMACS I get an error message:
> 
>    Error in init file
>    End of stream: #(INTERNAL EMACS BUG (filedesc lstream) 0x8461780>
> 
>  This happens only when I include the line:
> 
>   (require 'tex-site)
> 
I had the same problem. It was due to a bug in tex-site.el.
The statement that sets TeX-macro-global should look like this:

;; Change this to point to the place where the TeX macros are stored
;; at yourt site.
(defvar TeX-macro-global "/usr/local/teTeX/texmf/tex/"
  "*Directories containing the sites TeX macro files and style files.")

I had a problem with a non matching ')'.

bye, malte

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I have a pretty basic question about emacs and xemacs.  I want to
use the newline-and-indent feature of xemacs, but I don't know what
the LFD key is.  I see in manuals that it is referred to as the 
Line Feed key.  I have been using Control-j to do new-line-indent,
but I am curious what exactly the LFD key is.  BTW, I am working in a
unix environment.  

Thanks so much.

Sally Goodlett
sally@oce.orst.edu

Oceanography, Oregon State University
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>>>>> "SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

SLB> This is a known problem with Solaris.  The current workaround is
SLB> to not have leading or trailing colons in the PATH, ie. change
SLB> your example to: PATH=.:$PATH xemacs -q

No!  Never put . as the first element of your path, esp with XEmacs
which runs shells all over the place.  If you can't simply remove the
first :, change it to 

PATH=/bin:$PATH or some other trusted directory.

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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 and dired directory name color highlighting
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Ken Whedbee <whedbee@ddi.digital.net> writes:

> In XEmacs 19.13, dired would color highlight the directory names in the
> dired buffer.  However, in XEmacs 19.14, the directory names are not color
> highlighted.  In my .emacs, I have the 'turn-on-font-lock added to my
> dired-mode-hook.
> 
> Any ideas ?

I don't think color highlighting was the default for dired in XEmacs 19.13 (it
didn't highlight for me).  You probably had something configured into your
mode hook that stopped working in 19.14.

Actually, I believe the way to turn it on is the same in both 19.13 and 19.14,
but it may not have worked in 19.13 (looks like I had this in my mode hook and
then turned it off for some reason).  Anyway, try doing this (which should
work for both 19.13 and 19.14):

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook
	  '(lambda ()
	     (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight))
	  t)

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From: Tonny Madsen <tmadsen@teapot.netman.dk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:24:50 +0200
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Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:

> |   |me, I would like to see a Common Emacs Lisp that could compile into
> |   |both byte code and Emacs-internal C, such that those things that are
> |   |more solid may be compiled to C, and those that need to be tweaked can
> |   |be moved back and forth between the C/Lisp "barrier".  Emacs Lisp is
> |   |not powerful enough to do this today, but that is _my_ vision for
> |   |Emacs.
> |   
> |   There is absolutely no way that such a sceme could be made to work.
> 
> several other XEmacs users and package developers have become very
> enthusiastic about this suggestion.  I'm curious whether you would have
> rejected this so utterly without thought if it had come from somebody who
> was not (in your delusional mind) associated with RMS and his evil.

I, for one, would love to see a united C API, but being one of those
hackers that try to implement radical new features in emacs (XEmacs,
that is), I would say that as long as FSFemacs implement *all* new
features using cons' and lists and XEamcs implement that same features
using C objects, there are no way you will unite that two API's before
year 2000...

The radical new features I mentioned above is shared library support
in a running emacs and CLOS-like object-oriention... These things
definitely need built-in objects to work!

> the most curious thing about this "there is absolutely no way it could be
> made to work"-scheme is that this is not unlike how many Lisp compilers
> work, how a commercial company is working to provide a compiler from Common
> Lisp into idiomatic C, and how I and others write code in C through heavy
> Emacs functions _today_, to be relieved of the stupidity of C.

Common Lisp is standardized, but if you ever look at a CL program you
will be surprised how many implementation conditional forms in the
form of the '#+...' constructs you'll find. Just check PCL (the
portable CLOS implementation)!

/tonny
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Fontlock mode in Latex-mode $ sign turns on highlighting
Date: 27 Jul 1996 00:05:03 +0200
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Mark Moll writes:

>>>> On July 24, Richard Piper (RP) wrote:

RP> I have been using xemacs 19.14 and in latex mode $ as in $1.00 turns on
RP> highlighting.

> If you want a dollar sign, type `\$'. With  `$' mathematical formulas are
> bracketed.

that is an efficient method, but only outside of "verbatim" sections :-)

here is an example of a Perl code snippet in a "verbatim" section.
font-lock in LaTeX mode (undex AucTeX, in fact) does not an optimal job
with that and I cannot put an escaping backshash before each '$'.

-=-=-=-=
\begin{verbatim}
    #!/usr/local/bin/perl5

    $| = 1;

    $a_variable = 4;
    $another_variable = 2; 
=-=-=-=-

what can I do ?

-- 
Nat    Linux

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14: -*- broken?
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:11:09 -0700
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Shamim" == Shamim Zvonko Mohamed <shamim@synopsys.com> writes:
> 
> Shamim> I compiled and installed 19.14 on a Linux ELF system (2.0.8
> Shamim> kernel). Now files that set local variables with -*- on the
> Shamim> first line no longer do that.  I verified that
> Shamim> enable-local-variables was set to t.
> 
> Shamim> Setting "Local Variables:" at the end of the file still works.
> 
> Shamim> I have looked in the FAQ -- nothing -- and also in info --
> Shamim> which still claims that this should work. Please help!
> 
> It works for me.  Why don't you post an example?

Yes, it is in fact broken, because the order of execution was changed:
major modes were being invoked earlier than they used to be, and since 
all major modes do "kill-all-local-variables", the variables got wiped 
out.  To test: make a file which begins with

	-*- Mode: C; tab-width: 4 -*-

Note that when you visit that file, tab-width is the default (8).

Here's a fix.

This also fixes the braindead notion of "case insensitivity" of the
magic "mode" variable.  (Whoever wrote that lovely little nugget should
have their hands removed at the wrist in case they ever decide to try
and hack again.)


(defun hack-local-variables-prop-line (&optional force)
  ;; Set local variables specified in the -*- line.
  ;; Returns t if mode was set.
  (let ((result nil))
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (skip-chars-forward " \t\n\r")
      (let ((end (save-excursion 
		   ;; If the file begins with "#!"
		   ;; (un*x exec interpreter magic), look
		   ;; for mode frobs in the first two
		   ;; lines.  You cannot necessarily
		   ;; put them in the first line of
		   ;; such a file without screwing up
		   ;; the interpreter invocation.
		   (end-of-line (and (looking-at "^#!") 2))
		   (point))))
	;; Parse the -*- line into the `result' alist.
	(cond ((not (search-forward "-*-" end t))
	       ;; doesn't have one.
	       nil)
	      ((looking-at "[ \t]*\\([^ \t\n\r:;]+\\)\\([ \t]*-\\*-\\)")
	       ;; Antiquated form: "-*- ModeName -*-".
	       (setq result
		     (list (cons 'mode
				 (intern (buffer-substring
					  (match-beginning 1)
					  (match-end 1)))))
		     ))
	      (t
	       ;; Usual form: '-*-' [ <variable> ':' <value> ';' ]* '-*-'
	       ;; (last ";" is optional).
	       (save-excursion
		 (if (search-forward "-*-" end t)
		     (setq end (- (point) 3))
		   (error "-*- not terminated before end of line")))
	       (while (< (point) end)
		 (or (looking-at "[ \t]*\\([^ \t\n:]+\\)[ \t]*:[ \t]*")
		     (error "malformed -*- line"))
		 (goto-char (match-end 0))
		 ;; There used to be a downcase here,
		 ;; but the manual didn't say so,
		 ;; and people want to set var names that aren't all lc.
		 (let ((key (intern (buffer-substring
				     (match-beginning 1)
				     (match-end 1))))
		       (val (save-restriction
			      (narrow-to-region (point) end)
			      (read (current-buffer)))))
		   ;; Case sensitivity!  Icepicks in my forehead!
		   (if (equal (downcase (symbol-name key)) "mode")
		       (setq key 'mode))
		   (setq result (cons (cons key val) result))
		   (skip-chars-forward " \t;")))
	       (setq result (nreverse result))))))
	
    (let ((set-any-p (or force (hack-local-variables-p t)))
	  (mode-p nil))
      (while result
	(let ((key (car (car result)))
	      (val (cdr (car result))))
	  (cond ((eq key 'mode)
		 (setq mode-p t)
		 (funcall (intern (concat (downcase (symbol-name val))
					  "-mode"))))
		(set-any-p
		 (hack-one-local-variable key val))
		(t
		 nil)))
	(setq result (cdr result)))
      mode-p)))

-- 
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Right now save options from the menu bar saves all my options except
font size.

I verfied the .xemacs-options file and saw that it didn't change the
value of the default font size in this file.

When I manually changed this file, emacs loaded the correct font size
thereafter.

Anybody else have this problem ?

I am using the binary for SunOS4.1.3


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From: kester@unix-ag.uni-kl.de (Kester Habermann)
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Hi!

I've been experimenting with GNU Emacs-19.31 and gnuclient/gnuserv
from xemacs-19.13 and am a little disappointed, because I
was hoping gnuclient/gnuserv to be more powerful when it comes
to using them on remote machines.

I'm quite satisfied with gnuclient when using it on the same
machine and as the the user as gnuserv but when this is not
the case there are problems.

When using gnuclient on another machine as gnuserv the machine
must be available via NFS, which often isn't the case.

When using gnuclient as another user (for example my working
environment is set up for my `normal' account and for some
tasks I must become wwwadm or other) the files must be accesable
by the user running gnuserv.

A solution for both problems would be gnuclient transfering the
document to gnuserv then editing it in the server and when
saving the file, the file beeing transfered back to gnuclient
and server there.
This could work using Internet-domain sockets from any machine
to another (with COOKIE set) and also for different users on
the same machine (in that case also with Unix-domain sockets).

Does anyone else think this could be useful? Or has anyone
heard of a package doing what I'm looking for? Would it be
a lot of trouble adding this functionality to gnuclient/gnuserv?
Or are there disadvantages of such a proceeding?


Thanks for any help in advance, Kester.
-- 
Kester Habermann <kester@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Phone: +49-631-17158
Trippstadter Str. 121  / App. 207, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany 

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From: Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net>
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I am using XEmacs-19.14 on a linux system and have set the background
and foreground colors from from FVWM2, however my problem is that now
I can't see the scroll bar correctly. I have read the FAQ's and the
only thing I can find is to set this from the .Xdefaults with:

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

But no mention of a XEmacs setting. This doesn't work. Am I missing
something dumb here ? I now this is not a big problem, but is very
annonying.

Thanks for any info,


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Some keyboards have a key marked Line Feed or Newline (as opposed to Enter
or Return), some don't. Using C-j does the same.

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: How to set PATH in a shell?
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whu@deakin.edu.au (Weiping Hu) writes:

> 
> I asked this question a few days ago, but the problem hasn't been
> solved.  My problem is how to add a directory, say /usr/local/bin, to
> the PATH in a shell buffer under xemacs.  Checking the variable
> 'exec-path', I can see /usr/local/bin is there, but if I do 'M-x
> shell' and then check PATH, /usr/local/bin is not in the PATH.
> 
> I also have /usr/local/bin included in the path in the files
> ~/.profile, ~/.cshrc and ~/.sh.  What else should I do?  

You need to read the documentation on the lisp variable
`process-environment' and the initialization files for all your
shells.  Note that ~/.profile is typically read in only when you `log
in'.
-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
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From: tst@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tristan Tarrant)
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I use the function package to add the Functions menu to my menubar. However
since I switched from XEmacs 19.13 to 19.14, the Functions menu appears to
the left of the File menu, instead of to the right of all the other menus
apart from Help. 
Here is an excerpt from my .emacs:

(require 'func-menu)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
(define-key global-map "\C-cl" 'fume-list-functions)
(define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)

(setq fume-max-items 40
      fume-fn-window-position 3
      fume-auto-position-popup t
      fume-display-in-modeline-p t
      fume-menubar-menu-location "File"
      fume-buffer-name "*Function List*"
      fume-no-prompt-on-valid-default nil)

Any help would be appreciated, thanks

Tristan

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How do I tell xemacs to use 'lp' instead of 'lpr'?





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From: mike@desperado.caltech.edu (Mike J. Cai)
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Subject: help! can't start xemacs
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Hi every one.  I just downloaded xemacs-19.14 for linux-elf, statically 
linked with motif.  When I try to run xemacs, I get

xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Segmentation fault

Can any one help?  Thanks.

Mike
mike@altair.krl.caltech.edu
mikecai@tapir.caltech.edu

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From: mike@caltech.edu (Mike J. Cai)
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Subject: Re: help! can't start xemacs
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In article <4td2sg$foc@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
	mike@desperado.caltech.edu (Mike J. Cai) writes:
> Hi every one.  I just downloaded xemacs-19.14 for linux-elf, statically 
> linked with motif.  When I try to run xemacs, I get
> 
> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
> Segmentation fault
> 
> Can any one help?  Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> mike@altair.krl.caltech.edu
> mikecai@tapir.caltech.edu
> 
> -- 
ps.  My linux box is running slackware-3.0.0 (1.2.13 kernel)

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From: Ole Nomann Thomsen <nomann@groucho.dbc.bib.dk>
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Subject: How do I get rid of (font/warning) in 19.14 ?
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Getting more and more confused here, please help:

I have these resources in my X-server:

Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -b&h-*-*-i-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*	
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -b&h-*-bold-r-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont:-b&h-*-bold-i-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: -*-times-*-r-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

Because I don't have italic or bold-italic versions of my default
face-font.
The XEmacs NEWS state that font resources are set like:

Emacs.<face>.attributeFont: ...

And these faces are predefined:

`default'
     Everything inherits from this.

`bold'
     If this is not specified in the resource database, Emacs tries to
     find a bold version of the font of the default face.

`italic'
     If this is not specified in the resource database, Emacs tries to
     find an italic version of the font of the default face.

`bold-italic'
     If this is not specified in the resource database, Emacs tries to
     find a bold-italic version of the font of the default face.

Now this suggests to me that my bold and bold-italic faces have
well-defined fonts (they both exist on my server according to
xfontsel). But whenever I start XEmacs, i get these two warnings:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of 
"-misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*"


(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of 
"-misc-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-130-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*"


Thank You for you time.

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From: "Dr. Erwin J. W. Lam" <Erwin.Lam@ic.unil.ch>
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Subject: Re: Save options doesn't save FONT SIZE !!! ???
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Arvindh Krishnaswamy wrote:
> 
> Right now save options from the menu bar saves all my options except
> font size.

   snip snip snip

> Anybody else have this problem ?
> 
> I am using the binary for SunOS4.1.3

I use XEmacs 19.14 on a SGI Indigo2 Impact and I noticed the same
problem.

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Philippe" == Philippe Troin <phil@sj-coop.net> writes:

Philippe> 2) Once, I wanted to try XEmacs. Read the FAQ. I was so hurt
Philippe> by all the bashing and criticisms about FSF Emacs (called
Philippe> ironically RMS Emacs), that I din't go further. This was two
Philippe> months ago.

You've got to be referring to the original Info version of the XEmacs
FAQ.  One of the first things I changed (quietly) were all the
references to GNU Emacs by anything other than GNU Emacs.

I say this again: If there is any overt GNU Emacs bashing in the
current XEmacs FAQ, direct my attention to it and I will have it
removed.  I am starting to lose my patience on this point.  I find
emacs bashing distasteful, so I took as much of the crap out already
that I could find.  O.K.?

The current XEmacs FAQ is at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html

If you are looking at or referring to an XEmacs FAQ in texinfo form or
HTML converted from texinfo, *it has been superseded*.
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>>>>> "Klaus" == Klaus Fiebig <klaus@nmrkmf.ocms.ox.ac.uk> writes:

Klaus> However there are two things I would like to sort out.  First,
Klaus> how can I get the input focus of the frame change to the newly
Klaus> selected frame after doing an "other-frame".

Klaus> ... or better one that does a non-mouse-driven input focus
Klaus> switch to the other frame.  Does anyone know a fix for this.
Klaus> Oh yeah, I'm using tcwm on a Linux system.

What's tcwm?  I'm going to have to try it out ...

Try olvwm :-(.  I observe the kind of behavior you want with it, and
hate it.  Gratuitously throwing the focus off the current desktop onto
an undisplayed frame on another virtual desktop is most disconcerting.

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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike J Cai <mike@caltech.edu> writes:

Mike> In article <4td2sg$foc@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
Mike> 	mike@desperado.caltech.edu (Mike J. Cai) writes:
>> Hi every one.  I just downloaded xemacs-19.14 for linux-elf, statically 
>> linked with motif.  When I try to run xemacs, I get
>> 
>> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
>> Segmentation fault

Unfortunately, 19.14 behaves exactly like 19.13 ...

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               
   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:

    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.


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>>>>> "DMP" == D M Pick <cgaa180@nu.css.qmw.ac.uk> writes:

DMP> I think the best summary of the situation with emacs I've seen is:
DMP> 	EMACS is a *great* operating system, but UNIX has better editors!

I will let your opinion of Emacs -- which has no pre-emptive
multitasking -- as an operating system speak for itself, but the
bundled clones of Unix editors, such as Viper, are widely regarded as
being better than the originals.

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	mike@desperado.caltech.edu (Mike J. Cai) writes:
> Hi every one.  I just downloaded xemacs-19.14 for linux-elf, statically 
> linked with motif.  When I try to run xemacs, I get
> 
> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Sounds like a libc problem, either fix your libc or download the source
and compile it yourself. I had the same type error and compiling it did 
the trick for me.

David Ritter
dritter@mich.com

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>>>>> "GC" == Gary Capell <gary@cs.su.oz.au> writes:

GC> BTW, I also think an editor extensible with Java, written in Java
GC> would be quite nice. 

I agree here.

GC> I imagine you'd end up with something very
GC> much like the Oberon environment, which is well worth looking at
GC> for design ideas.

I haven't found any good ideas in Oberon.  Acme was inspired by Oberon,
you can look at the free Acme clone `Wily' to see what that can lead
to in an editor.  

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>>>>> "Brian" == Brian L Naylor <root@mlam.cv.lexington.ibm.com> writes:

Brian> I hate to be a gimp, but I'm having trouble getting Gnus 5.2.37 
Brian> to work with XEmacs 19.13.  I installed Gnus as per its readme,
Brian> and the configure seemed to go ok.  I added the necessary lines to
Brian> my .emacs file, and when I do M-x gnus, I get a message in the
Brian> minibuffer: Could not open load file: browse-url

browse-url.el is included standard with newer Emacsen like XEmacs
19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.31, therefore it is no longer included with
Gnus.  The last Gnus distribution to include browse-url.el was
5.2.28.  So you have two choices:

1.  Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14 (your best bet)
2.  Grab an old copy of Gnus and take the browse-url.el out of it.

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour.
Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone
except you in November.

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Mike Mitchell wrote:
> 
> In article <4slqpr$9o0@erinews.ericsson.se>, etxnmmm@ny.ericsson.se (Mats Jansson) writes:
> ->I'm kind of new to XEmacs (version 19.11) and I wonder if it is possible to get XEmacs to show which line I'm editing on? Haven't found any info in the docs.
> ->
> ->thanks
> ->
> 
> There is a function "what-line" as well as a matching "goto-line" along all the
> other suggestions.
> --
> Regards, Mike
> [END]
OR stick the following lines in .emacs:
;;Show Current-line no in modeline
(setq line-number-mode t)

-- freddy
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>>>>> "BW" == Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:

BW> The E-Lisp counts are misleading because the vast majority of that code
BW> is non-essential stuff such as VM, RMAIL, GNUS, etc. 

If it weren't for the "non-essential" stuff, I'd probably use jed
instead of Emacs.

BW> In a typical
BW> Emacs session where you're editing (say) a bunch of C files, you're
BW> actually using a lot more C code than E-Lisp code.

Using compile, vc, ediff, grep, cc-mode, outline, tags, font lock,
makefile-mode, and a lot of other elisp packages that aren't really
essential, but are all part of why we use Emacs.

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Cc: Oliver Bedford <bedford@triton.pc.Uni-Koeln.DE>
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Oliver Bedford writes:
 > > I posted a new message to the newsgroup:
 > > "My backspace key is mapped to delete-char in minibuffer and
 > > mail modes... How can I remap it to backward-delete-char ?
 > > Thankx in advance"...
 > > 
 > > I would much appreciate your help if you recall how did you do it...
 > > 
 > > P.S.	Interesting that in 19.13 it was mapped to backward-delete-char
 > > 	initially when I installed it...So then I didn't even know where
 > > 	it was mapped to...
 > > 	I tried to map it from .emacs but without success....
 > 
 >   I have the following lines in my .emacs-file:
 >   
 >   (define-key minibuffer-local-map      [delete] 'delete-char)
 >   (define-key minibuffer-local-completion-map [delete]  'delete-char)
 >   (define-key isearch-mode-map          [backspace] 'isearch-delete-char)
 >   (define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map [delete] 'delete-char)
 > 
 >   Hope this helps.
 > 
 > 	      Ciao,
 > 			  Oliver
 > 
Bodo Teichmann writes:
 > >  > You bet somebody had! The new XEmacs keyboard way sucks, from
 > >  > my view. However, this is what you can do. Somebody suggested
 > >  > it to me and it worked:
 > >  > 
 > >  >   (global-set-key '[(delete)]  'delete-backward-char) 
 > >  >   (keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
 > >  >   (keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)
 > >  > 
 > > I tried it and it doesn'twork too :(... Any suggestions?
 > > 
 > you have to change the local key map too in c-mode and elisp-mode
 > buffers:
 > 	      (define-key global-map '(delete) nil)
 > 	      (define-key global-map '(backspace) nil)
 > 	      (define-key c-mode-map "\177"      nil)
 > 	      (define-key shared-lisp-mode-map "\177"      nil)
 > 	      (global-set-key '(delete) 'delete-char)         
 > 	      (global-set-key '(backspace) 'delete-backward-char)
 > 
 > bodo
I tried this variant separately ,tried this and another variants
posted to me by other people together and in different combinations...
Nothing helps me besides switching to delbackspace.el from 19.13...
May be somebody has any clue what prevents remapping of these keys ...
Can I somehow debug it?...

Best regards Yevgeny...

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Can somebody tell me where to find xoobr, the 
graphical OO browser to be used with xemacs19-14?

Thanks,
	Rajiv Saxena
	RajivS@easystems.com

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Martin,

There are two families of 'shell' programs: (In Unix)
  - 'Bourne-Shell' Family   ( sh, bash, zsh, etc)
  - 'C-Shell' Family        ( csh, tcsh, etc)

The ~/.profile is only read by the Bourne-Shell family shells (if I'm not
wrong). The 'C- Shell' family of shells never look on this file, instead,
there are 3 files in question:

  - .login  ( on login sessions only, usually after the .cshrc file)
  - .cshrc  ( or .tcshrc for TC-shell) for regular shells
  - .logout ( on login sessions only, when the user goes out.)

Remember, you may never run the '.login' file if you are using X-Windows :)

Now, back to **XEmacs**, if you want special customizations for your
shell, look on the passwd dbases to get what shell are you running,
(mine is tcsh) create a file called ~/.emacs_xxxx. (When xxxx us the
name of your shell). This file must conform the syntax of your shell.
For example, I have a small file called ~/.emacs_tcsh which contains small
customizations I do to tcsh for XEmacs.

Hope it helps..

--- Ricky.

>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

 Martin: whu@deakin.edu.au (Weiping Hu) writes:
 :: 
 :: I asked this question a few days ago, but the problem hasn't been
 :: solved.  My problem is how to add a directory, say /usr/local/bin, to
 :: the PATH in a shell buffer under xemacs.  Checking the variable
 :: 'exec-path', I can see /usr/local/bin is there, but if I do 'M-x
 :: shell' and then check PATH, /usr/local/bin is not in the PATH.
 :: 
 :: I also have /usr/local/bin included in the path in the files
 :: ~/.profile, ~/.cshrc and ~/.sh.  What else should I do?  

 Martin: You need to read the documentation on the lisp variable
 Martin: `process-environment' and the initialization files for all your
 Martin: shells.  Note that ~/.profile is typically read in only when you `log
 Martin: in'.

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has anybody got any ideas

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In article <m2buh3be6j.fsf@lol.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
  dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) said:

DK> First, you could not have seen him [RMS] posting anything about XEmacs
DK> because he is not posting at all (apart from announcements).

This is a common misconception.  RMS does not *read* news -- he says
that he doen't have the time, and, considering what he does, this is
quite reasonable.  However, he *does* post.  If you check on Dejanews,
you'll find quite a few postings of his, in particular a very nice
apology for the time when he referred to the Epoch/XEmacs redisplay
engine as `the Epoch redisplay engine', which apparently prompted the
XEmacs zealots to flame (notice that I have nothing against XEmacs; I
simply resent zealots).  Search for:

    Subject:      Apology for what looked like mistreatment
    From:         rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Richard Stallman)
    Date:         1995/06/14
    Message-Id:   <199506142324.TAA04031@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
    Newsgroups:   comp.emacs.xemacs

(you will need to select `Old database' in the power search menu).  In
particular, the message contains the following statement:

RMS> Some people have accused the XEmacs maintainers of "stealing" from me
RMS> when they use code that I wrote.  I do not think this is fair.  There
RMS> is nothing immoral about copying software, and when the software is
RMS> officially free, it is not illegal either.  Software should be free,
RMS> and Emacs is free.

The message, I believe, is a great example of Net courtesy.  It is
very carefully and thoughtfully written.

Pax in terra emacsum useribus hackeribusque.

                                        J. Chroboczek

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about what?

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I have the following code that works in XEmacs 19.13, used to add a
top-level sub-menu:

----- cut here -----
(defconst AJK::amir-files-menu
  '(
    ("Dot Files"
     [".login"           NDS::find-dot-login        :active t ]
     [".tcshrc"          AJK::find-dot-tcshrc       :active t ]
     [".cshrc"           NDS::find-dot-cshrc        :active t ]
     [".aliases"         NDS::find-dot-aliases      :active t ]
     "-"
     [".emacs"           NDS::find-dot-emacs        :active t ]
     [".vm"              AJK::find-dot-vm           :active t ]
     "-"
     [".Xdefaults"       NDS::find-dot-Xdefaults    :active t ]
     [".fvwmrc"          NDS::find-dot-fvwmrc       :active t ]
     [".fvwm2rc"         AJK::find-dot-fvwm2rc      :active t ]
     [".xinitrc.fvwm"    AJK::find-dot-xinitrc-fvwm :active t ]
     [".netscape-bk..."  NDS::find-dot-bookmarks    :active t ]
     "-"
     ["aliases.text"     AJK::find-elm-aliases      :active t ]
     )))

(let
    (user-uc-name)
  ;; Capitalize user's login name
  (setq user-uc-name (capitalize (user-login-name)))

  (add-menu nil (concat "| " user-uc-name "'s Files")  AJK::amir-files-menu))

----- cut here -----

When I byte-compile it under XE 19.14, it complains that 'add-menu' is
obsolete and that I should use add-submenu instead. So, I read the
description of add-submenu and changed it to:


----- cut here -----
(let
    (user-uc-name)
  ;; Capitalize user's login name
  (setq user-uc-name (capitalize (user-login-name)))

  (add-submenu nil (list (concat "| " user-uc-name "'s Files"))  AJK::amir-files-menu))
----- cut here -----

Byte-compile is fine, but when I load the file it fails with an
error message:

wrong type argument: char-or-string-p, (("Dot files" [".login" ...

I must be missing something here. I looked at x-menubar.el,
vm-menu.el, etc. but I fail to see what's wrong in my code.

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We've recently fixed a bug in our Emacs eiffel-mode (eiffel3.el) which
caused it to not work with XEmacs 19.14.  The latest code (file version
1.85) is, as always, available on request by sending email to:

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dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:

> 
> In article <Dv5J68.450@news.cern.ch> fbezrouk@axnd02.cern.ch (Fedor Bezrouk) writes:
> 
>    David Kastrup (dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:
>    : The prefix keys (H and K and so) don't work properly with XEmacs
>    : 19.14. They won't with Emacs 19.30, either, btw.
> 
>    Yes, really. But when I installed it, I somehow fixed the code to work with
>    19.30. I think I still have the corect code.
> 
Ok, I've found my changes. All you have to do, is to change the
function 'calc-fancy-prefix' in 'calc-ext.el' in the following way:

   (defun calc-fancy-prefix (flag msg n)
     (let (prefix)
       (calc-wrapper
        (calc-set-command-flag 'keep-flags)
        (calc-set-command-flag 'no-align)
        (setq prefix (set flag (not (symbol-value flag)))
   	   prefix-arg n)
        (message (if prefix msg "")))
   ;;;What was th following needed for?
   ;    (and prefix
   ;	 (not calc-is-keypad-press)
   ;	 (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))
   ;	   (if (eq (setq last-command-char (car event)) ?\C-u)
   ;	       (universal-argument)
   ;	     (if (or (not (integerp last-command-char))
   ;		     (and (>= last-command-char 0) (< last-command-char ? )
   ;			  (not (memq last-command-char '(?\e)))))
   ;		 (calc-wrapper))  ; clear flags if not a Calc command.
   ;	     (if calc-emacs-type-19
   ;		 (setq last-command-event (cdr event)))
   ;	     (if (or (not (integerp last-command-char))
   ;		     (eq last-command-char ?-))
   ;		 (calc-unread-command)
   ;	       (digit-argument n)))))
       )
   )

I don't quite understand (exactly, I don't remeber it now) what that
commented piece of code does, but after that it works perfectly both
on Emacs 19.29 and 19.30, and XEmacs 19.14. This works for calc-2.02c
and for calc-2.02d.

> Congratulations. Perhaps it would be possible to check what exactly it
> was that you changed? Might be worth uploading to prep.ai.mit.edu as
> well...
If you think it is worth uploading, please tell me how to do it, I
have not done that before:)

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From: Tore Olsen <toreo@colargol.idb.hist.no>
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Subject: Re: designated printer
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Danny kotcher <kotcherd> writes:

> How do I tell xemacs to use 'lp' instead of 'lpr'?

(setq lpr-command "lp") is probably what you want. Also check out
lpr-switches.

-Toreo

PS. Your email-address isn't correctly setup.

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In article <tvspapu49j.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

) From: Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com>
) 
) It's a bit slow : W3 and GNUS for example are a bit slow in my opinion. 
) It runs as a single thread. Multiple threads are nice, especially for news
)  and www.

 A seperate garbage collection thread in emacs would speed it up quite a bit.

) A lot of people don't like lisp. 
) It's a huge package. 
) 
I probably know more java now than I know lisp.  Although the interactive 
qualities in emacs-lisp made in easy to hack out what it took to get emacs
to do what I want.

I'd like to see an interactive java interpreter , that could do a 
'fsave' like Forth.  (@1)  This produces a binary which is the interpreter
and the program, so it no longer needs the source to run.  I think
there would be many advantages to it.  No longer needing to load
the class files, is probably the most obvious one.


(@1) At least was what the command was called in the forth I used. It's been
     a while it may have been called 'rolling your own forth' or 'turnkey'
-- 

        Dan


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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: uniquify.el of Emacs 19.31 not working with XEmacs 19.14
Date: 28 Jul 1996 17:12:44 -0600
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bclark@pixel.cirrus.com (Bill Clark) writes:

> I use this version; so far it's working fine for me in 19.14:

Yes, but that's also the version that doesn't play nicely with
Gnus 5.2...

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: uniquify.el of Emacs 19.31 not working with XEmacs 19.14
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John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

> bclark@pixel.cirrus.com (Bill Clark) writes:
> 
> > I use this version; so far it's working fine for me in 19.14:
> 
> Yes, but that's also the version that doesn't play nicely with
> Gnus 5.2...

Hit C-c C-c to fast... meant to include the patch to that file that
makes it work in 19.14 with Gnus 5.2 (sorry I've forgotten who posted
this... wasn't that long ago):

*** uniquify.el.orig	Thu Nov  9 16:05:19 1995
--- uniquify.el	Fri Jul 12 17:31:22 1996
***************
*** 116,122 ****
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (eq buffer newbuf)
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))
--- 116,122 ----
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (and newbuffile (eq buffer newbuf))
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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Amit J Patel (amitp@Ghoti.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: In article <tvspapijcr.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:
: > Sorry, 
: > What i mean is to write a completely new extensible editor, not using lisp,
: > but java for implementing modes etc.
: > 
<...>
: Java is pretty good for writing applets, and perhaps even apps, but as
: an extension language, I worry that I'd have to write a lot more code
: to get the same effect.  :(
<...>
: [I do think that there are a LOT of things that could be improved
:  about Emacs Lisp, but I don't think that Java is the answer for
:  editor customization.]

A generic interface for random script languages would be nice (python would
be nice, others might prefer perl, tcl or uLPC (:-). Using java as a script
language is (IMHO) not the best choice (Sun recommends tcl, even for Java
Applications ("http://www.sunlabs.com/research/tcl/java.html")) but
Java might be interesting for extensions on a different level than
customization.
Dynamically loadable binary extensions could provide interpreter for
other languages and allow to load compiled versions of extensions (e.g.
native compiled Java extensions).

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Hi, I'm not a signature virus. Why don't you just copy me into your signature?

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 What is the best way to attache files to a sent mail ?
If I use zmail (under IRIX 5.3) I get this feature very easily 
and I can even read this files using 'burst' in VM.

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Subject: uudecode in gnus does no longer work
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Hi XEmacsers,

after upgrading to XEmacs 19.14 the uudecode-article (X U) in gnus
does no longer work. Gnus will read the article and start a shell, and
XEmacs will freeze forever. The started shell shows in the "ps -l" of
a state "T" meaning stopped.

My first idea was to upgrade the included gnus to 5.2.37 to have the
current version, but the behavior did not change.

Then I tried to use FSF Gnu Emacs (spelled right?) 19.31 with the gnus
5.2.37 and everything works fine (like in XEmacs 19.13 with gnus 5.0,
what I used before).

So I think it's a XEmacs problem in any way. Does anyone of you have
an idea where to look or what to change? I'm using Irix 5.2 if it matters.

Many thanks in advance
	Achim
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To: tst@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tristan Tarrant)
From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Functions menu in wrong place
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 08:19 25/07/96 GMT, you wrote:
>I use the function package to add the Functions menu to my menubar. However
>since I switched from XEmacs 19.13 to 19.14, the Functions menu appears to
>the left of the File menu, instead of to the right of all the other menus
>apart from Help. 
>Here is an excerpt from my .emacs:
>
>(require 'func-menu)
>(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
>(define-key global-map "\C-cl" 'fume-list-functions)
>(define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)
>
>(setq fume-max-items 40
>      fume-fn-window-position 3
>      fume-auto-position-popup t
>      fume-display-in-modeline-p t
>      fume-menubar-menu-location "File"       <<<<<<<  !!! LOOK !!!
>      fume-buffer-name "*Function List*"
>      fume-no-prompt-on-valid-default nil)

The answer is staring at you in the face. In fact, the behaviour was broken
in XEmacs 19.13 for reasons beyond the control of func-menu, but fixed in 19.14.

-- David (developer of func-menu)
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From: Remco Wouts <wouts@cemo.nioo.knaw.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs-19.14 & Scrollbars
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:53:55 +0100
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Ray Curtis wrote:
> 
> I am using XEmacs-19.14 on a linux system and have set the background
> and foreground colors from from FVWM2, however my problem is that now
> I can't see the scroll bar correctly. I have read the FAQ's and the
> only thing I can find is to set this from the .Xdefaults with:
> 
> Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
> Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray
> 
> But no mention of a XEmacs setting. This doesn't work. Am I missing
> something dumb here ? I now this is not a big problem, but is very
> annonying.
> 
> Thanks for any info,
You did not specify whether you use Motif scrollbars or Athena (Lucid).
Anyway I think this will work always. Just run the X11 tool 'editres',
use menu option 'get tree' (point and click at a running xemacs) use
menu option 'select widget in client' (point and click at a scrollbar in
the same running xemacs). Then select 'show resource box' and play
around with the resource settings. When you ar satisfied make the
appropriate changes in your resource file.

Hope this helps. Cheerio
-- 
Remco Wouts                    | Netherlands Institute of Ecology
email: wouts@cemo.nioo.knaw.nl | Centre for Estuarine and Coastal
Ecology
tel: +31-(0)1131-571920        | Vierstraat 28, 4401 EA Yerseke
fax: +31-(0)1131-573616        | The Netherlands

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From: Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
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Subject: entering accents/ outdaded lispref.info
Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:18:52 +0100
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Hi, how do I input accented charaecters from the ISO-8859-1 character
set in Xemacs? In GNU Emacs, I used iso-acc.el, but this wont load in
Xemacs, because of the non existent read-event function, which I
presume has been superseded.  I noticed in the lispref.info file it
mentions this: 

File: lispref.info,  Node: Translating Input,  Next: Recording Input,
  Prev: Input Modes,  Up: Terminal Input

Translating Input Events
------------------------

...
   If the function reads input itself, it can have the effect of
altering the event that follows.  For example, here's how to define
`C-c h' to turn the character that follows into a Hyper character:

     (defun hyperify (prompt)
       (let ((e (read-event)))
         (vector (if (numberp e)
                     (logior (lsh 1 20) e)
                   (if (memq 'hyper (event-modifiers e))
                       e
                     (add-event-modifier "H-" e))))))
...

   The `iso-transl' library uses this feature to provide a way of
inputting non-ASCII Latin-1 characters.

... 
I found the iso-transl library in the emacs 19.31 distribution, but
that didnt seem to work either (invalid keysym). Also, the code here
doesnt work, again because it uses the read-event function.

If anyone can suggest a package that works with Xemacs for entering
the accented characters etc I would be grateful, or even suggesting
what I need to replace read-event with in the iso-acc.el code.

Cheers, Stephen Eglen



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From: Abderrahmane Lakas <lakas@csi.uottawa.ca>
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Subject: Ispell on Xemacs-19.14
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:52:58 -0400
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Anyone knows why I couldn't run ispell on Xemacs-19.14?
I keep having this error message:

"ispell version 3.1.* is required: try renaming ispell4.el to ispell.el"

There is no ispell4.el. I guess some of got the same problem. By the way
the ispell I am running is version 4.0

-- Abderrahmane
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From: Rhodri Davies <rhod@michigan>
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Version: Xemacs 19.14
OS: Solaris 2.4

Problem: If $PATH is empty, starts with a : or contains an empty
element (::) xemacs will not start up properly - it reports an error
shortly after completing loading cl-extras. If you continue from there
some other operations such as sending mail from VM also fail. It is
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According to the documentation this is the place to send bug reports,
so here it is.

	Rhod

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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	Is there a function/mode for resolving conflicts in a
CVS-controlled file? We're using a combination of pcl-cvs and ediff,
which works well enough most of the time. However, when there is a cvs
conflict during an "update", the merged file cannot be used with ediff
- because it already contains stuff from the repository file. I have
an idea that this can be solved by extracting two versions of the file
from the merged file and running ediff on these two files, storing the
evntual result back into the file that used to contain the merged
version.

	This functionality may of course already exist; if so, where?
Alternatively, is this sufficiently useful that it should be added to
ediff or pcl-cvs (or even vc)?

	//Raymond.

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To: Abderrahmane Lakas <lakas@csi.uottawa.ca>
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Subject: Ispell on Xemacs-19.14
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From: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
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Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

>>>>> "AL" == Abderrahmane Lakas <lakas@csi.uottawa.ca> writes:

    AL> Anyone knows why I couldn't run ispell on Xemacs-19.14? I keep
    AL> having this error message:

    AL> "ispell version 3.1.* is required: try renaming ispell4.el to
    AL> ispell.el"

    AL> There is no ispell4.el. I guess some of got the same
    AL> problem. By the way the ispell I am running is version 4.0

We had this a million times. ispell-3.1* is *newer* than
ispell-4*. Yes, it's brain damaged, but that's the way it is. Get it
from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/ispell-3.1.20.tar.gz.

And let us all send mails to ispell-bugs@itcorp.com which sounds like
this:

	Have mercy upon us! Please make a new ispell release which has
	a major revision number of 5. if there isn't something new,
	just perform

		cp ispell-3.1.20.tar.gz ispell-5.0.tar.gz

	and I will stand you a beer. Really.

Ciao
	Oliver

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Could anyone give me a few pointers for implementing an automatic CC 
operation to myself?  Better yet, I'd love Xemacs/VM to log all outgoing 
mail to an outbox.  Surely, there is a special bit somewhere?



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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>
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I'm using Xemacs 19.14 and the variable column-number-mode doesn't
seem to work line-number-mode works fine. Is this a bug???

-- 
Michael

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Charles H. Gilley writes:
 > Could anyone give me a few pointers for implementing an automatic CC 
 > operation to myself?  Better yet, I'd love Xemacs/VM to log all outgoing 
 > mail to an outbox.  Surely, there is a special bit somewhere?
 > 
 > 
Try adding:

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/mail/outgoing")

to your .emacs - this'll tell mail through VM to log all outgoing
messages.  It works for me, adding this be default to the FCC field in
the header.

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From: goma0002@rz03.FH-Karlsruhe.DE (Martin Goik)
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Some time ago I saw a piece of C-code with an extra comment
added at end of file. This comment contained all customizations
needed in order to define an indent style. (e.g c-basic-offset = 3;
...). How can I tell xemacs to do this automatically. I.e. to add
his indent style variables in such a comment for later
use afetr finishing edit?

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[Daniel LaBell]

|   A seperate garbage collection thread in emacs would speed it up quite a
|   bit.

do you know how much time is spent in garbage collection in Emacs?
how did you measure it?

incidentally, I added a primitive `run-time-statistics' (to my own Emacs)
that reports the process and children time, as well as a separate count for
time spent in garbage collection.  it is used by the `time' function I also
wrote that reports memory usage and time spent executing a form.

my estimates are that garbage collection represents about 3% of the total
run-time of Emacs over the course of a week.  it's no big deal.  people
notice it because of the message.  so we turned them off.  most users do
not experience any noticable slowdown from garbage collection, compared to
networks, disks, paging and swapping, etc.

#\Erik

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From: Byron Harris <harrisb@mo.net>
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Subject: Can't jump from *compilation* directly to source in 19.14
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In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a 
'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler. 
xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could 
automatically go to the offending source.

Can I configure xemacs 19.14 to have the old behavior again?

Thanks,

Byron Harris
harrisb@mo.net

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In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a 
'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler. 
xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could 
automatically go to the offending source.

Can I configure xemacs 19.14 to have the old behavior again?

Thanks,

Byron Harris
harrisb@mo.net

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From: Chuck Feltner <exufelt@exu.ericsson.se>
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Hi,

I am able to successfully attach a tty to a running xemacs session
using the gnuattach command. However, when trying to edit files from
this TTY, I am not able to select any regions. After I place a mark
and then go down a couple of lines and then try to delete (C-w) the
region I get the error message: "The region is not active now".

Any ideas??

		Thanks,
		    Chuck
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Ericsson, Inc.                    Memo:   eus.eusfelt
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          The best music in the world in in the church.

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
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Subject: Re: starting VM without starting entire xemacs system
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>>>> Thus spake 'David Masterson (davidm@baldy.kla.com)':

 DM> Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com> writes:
[snip]
 >> 2) in my $HOME/.kshrc file (I use Korn shell)
 >> alias vi=gnuclient
 >> export EDITOR=gnuclient

 DM> Ouch!  Bad, bad, bad...

 DM> That last line has a couple of problems with it:

 DM> 1. You should never set environment variables in .kshrc/.cshrc -- only in
 DM>    .profile/.login (I can't believe how many people get caught by this!).
 DM>    With your way, if you reset an environment variable temporarily while
 DM>    logged in, the .kshrc will reset it back to your default in any
 DM>    subshells.  Its amazing how much havoc this can cause.

Huh? From _The KornShell: Command and Programming Language_ by Bolsky and Korn,
pg 78:

  ENVIRONMENT FILE

  Whenever ksh begins execution, it expands the ENV variable, and executes a
  script by this name if it exists. This file is called your environment
  file. Use this file to:

  o  Define aliases and functions that apply for interactive use only; or for
     both interactive use and scripts invoked from ksh.

  o  Set default options that you want to apply to all ksh invocations.

  o  Set variables that you want to apply to the current ksh invocation.
         ~~~~~~~~~                               ~~~~~~~

My .kshrc file is read in once and only once per each new interactive shell. As
a result, I don't have the effect you describe with changed environment
variables being subverted by reread .kshrc. I recommend reading this book..

 DM> 2. I'm not sure what effect this has on your KShell command line editing.
 DM>    The EDITOR or VISUAL variable should be set to something ending in
 DM>    emacs, so, in this case, you probably also want to add a VISUAL
 DM>    variable.

No effect whatsoever. Pg. 89 from the same book:

  You can turn on a built-in editor in any of the following ways:

    set -o vi
    EDITOR=...vi
    VISUAL=...vi

I happen to have set -o emacs in my .kshrc - the setting of EDITOR is not taken
into account. As the book also states, if you set VISUAL and EDITOR
differently, then ksh will use the value of the VISUAL variable, and *not* the
EDITOR variable.

-- 
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From: ramb@usr04.primenet.com (Ram Bhamidipaty)
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I did look around a bit but did not find anything
like M-x show-keysym

Any suggestions? Or do I need to do something like
use some other X program to do that?

Thanks for any pointers.

-Ram

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From: africk@tsssun0.tomsawyer.com (Arne K. Frick)
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Somehow, I can't upper/lowercase ISO characters correctly.  I am using
XEmacs19-14 and have loaded the ISO support stuff in the following order:


;; Enable ISO encoding support

(require 'iso-syntax)			; syntax rules for German umlauts
(require 'iso-insert)
(require 'iso-acc)			; electric mode for special characters
(iso-accents-customize "german")	; default mode
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'iso-accents-mode) ; assume ISO map for text mode


Can anyone see what the problem may be?


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Byron Harris wrote:
> 
> In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a
> 'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler.
> xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could
> automatically go to the offending source.
> 
> Can I configure xemacs 19.14 to have the old behavior again?

Same problem here.

Help appreciated.
--
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I have begun using the psgml-mode for editing HTML files and like it a 
lot. I have two questions/needs.

1. I have begun to add JavaScript to some of my HTML files. The 
psgml-mode does not particularly like JavaScript. It does not choke or 
anything, but it does hose the indenting. Are there any modifications to 
support JavaScript? I won't ask for keyword highlighting, but the 
indenting important to me. If there is a Netscape DTD available, this 
might solve this. Is there?

2. The indenting is not so great, but it helps. Does anyone know how 
indent the entire document at once?

Thanks.

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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> 
> 
> Well I have another problem.
> 
> 
> So I geuss I'm asking this.
> what are the EXACT lines I have to put into my .emacs file in order
> to get all print function to use "lpr"?
> 

Here is an extract on my .emacs :


;; Printer type information for lpr like command
       (setq lpr-command "lpr")
;; The printer name "3" is the laser that I want
       (setq lpr-switches (cons "-P3" () ) ) 


;; ps-print information
(cond ((string-match "Lucid" emacs-version)
       (load-library "ps-print")
;; The lpr command
       (setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
;; The printer named "zp6" is the POSTSCRIPT laser used for ps-print
       (setq ps-lpr-switches (cons "-Pzp6" () ) ) 
       (setq ps-print-color-p nil)

))

Hope that can help you.

Christophe.


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ptf@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk (Paul Flinders) writes:

> 
> In article <19960717191618.AAA20988@vlad.terraweb.com> bpm@terraweb.com (bpm) writes:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 	I'm using XEmacs 19.14, lazy-lock 1.15 & font-lock.  When ever I
> > print a buffer with ps-brint-buffer-with-faces, I get a printout with
> > the faces ok, but there is a background gray box on the text that has
> > the face info.  Normal text is ok, but comments, keywords, etc
> > (anything with a face) has this gray background.
> > 
> > Is there a new version of ps-print?
> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> The problem is that the new ps-print sets the background colour of a
> face if it differs in any way from the default font, rather than
> setting the background of a face if *its background* differs from the
> default background.
> 
> A quick fix is to comment out the code in ps-plot-region which sets
> the background (the third if, around line 1518).
> 
> Once I work out how to compare two face's background colours I might
> send a fix in.

I also had the problem, and I fixed it by turning off the color mode :
	       (setq ps-print-color-p nil)
AND printing on a black & white laser printer. Off course, if you want
to print your source in color, you have to fix the third if, around
line 1518.

Christophe.

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We recently upgraded to Solaris 2.4 and Xemacs 19.13.  I have
a B&W Sun ELC as a terminal.  In color the highlight is normal
in Xemacs, but in B&W the highlight does not show up.  According
to the manual it should be stippled.  Any ideas why.  Thanks

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   I've tried getting Mailcrypt/Vm working together the last couple days.
 I can successly encrypt and send an email, but if I try to decrypt, I get
 the following error. (I added the wrapping)

Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc") nil 
"...(2)" [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) 
(error "Folder buffer has been killed."))
 (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>)
Loading mc-toplev...done
  
  This appears to be the following macro from vm-misc.el.

(defmacro vm-select-folder-buffer ()
  '(and vm-mail-buffer
	(or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer)
	    (error "Folder buffer has been killed."))
	(set-buffer vm-mail-buffer)))

 Tonight I had some success.  If I change the defmacro to defun for this
 macro, as well as for 

(defmacro vm-error-if-folder-read-only ()
  '(while vm-folder-read-only
     (signal 'folder-read-only (list (current-buffer)))))

in the same file, then eval the buffer, I can coax vm/mailcrypt to decrypt
the msg buffer. 

This is on a linux box with XEmacs 19.14 that I compiled myself.  I
haven't re-byte-compiled the .elc files.  I also was able to duplicate
this at work with 19.13 & 1914 on a sol2.5 machine.  

I think I've seen elsewhere that byte-compiled macros caused problems but
I can't remember where or what the fix was.  

If this has been addressed before, I apoligize if this has been covered
before but I didn't see anything in the FAQ.  

Any ideas/fixes?   Thanks much.

Jeff
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etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond) writes:

Hi Raymond,

this is a feature I've been looking for several month.
> 
> 	This functionality may of course already exist; if so, where?
> Alternatively, is this sufficiently useful that it should be added to
> ediff or pcl-cvs (or even vc)?
> 
> 	//Raymond.

When you look into the pcl-cvs sources coming w/ XEmacs 19.14 you'll
find code trying to support ediff instead of emerge, the old pcl-cvs
conflict resolver (BTW, for me emerge does the job in about 90% of all
conflicts). But I was not able to use the new ediff interface (located
on the 'e' key in the *cvs* buffer - this key was used to 'e'dit the
file :-/).

Maybe the ediff interface is broken or not ready yet - I'm looking
forward to hear news about this.

Hope this helps a little
	Achim 

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How can I tell 'perldb' to open a new window on screen?.

(If there are more than 2 windows on the current frame, it will use
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frame, and open a new window for the debugger, like in gdb.


Any hints?

TIA.

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ramb@usr04.primenet.com (Ram Bhamidipaty) writes:
Hi Ram,

> I did look around a bit but did not find anything
> like M-x show-keysym
> 
> Any suggestions? Or do I need to do something like
> use some other X program to do that?
> 
> Thanks for any pointers.
> 

What would you like to do with that keysym? If you only want to bind a
function to this key, simply type C-h k and press the key you want to
learn about.

Hope that helps
	Achim

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"Ram" =3D=3D Ram Bhamidipaty <ramb@usr04.primenet.com> writes:

 Ram> I did look around a bit but did not find anything
 Ram> like M-x show-keysym

 Ram> Any suggestions? Or do I need to do something like
 Ram> use some other X program to do that?

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Does someone have some customizations for the compile/compile2
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(For catching warnings/errors in compilation mode)

Remember, usually you compile only one file...

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I'm a semi-new user to xemacs (about 6 months), and I have wondered if it 
is possible to make the scrollbars operate normally.  Operating normally 
means the size of the bar is dependent on the number of lines, not the 
number of bytes.  Also, when the scrollbar is at the bottom, the bottom of 
the buffer should be at the bottom of the screen.  This is the motif 
standard, and if you're going to use the motif widgets, you should abide 
by it.  The way the scroll bar actually operates is very similar to the 
way that the open look widgets and the widgets used with FSF emacs operate 
with respect to going past the bottom. The worst example of this is on the 
open file dialog.  Try grabbing the horizontal scrollbar on the right hand 
window.  Move it back and forth a couple of times without letting go.  Now 
look where your mouse cursor is.  It usually ends up on the right side of 
the screen.  Other motif apps don't do this.

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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960729162420.14440A-100000@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu> hlt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Harold Trammel) writes:

> psgml-mode does not particularly like JavaScript.
It's a problem whose time seemingly has come: how do you combine two major
modes in a file that contains text of these both major modes? Eg some
people wanted to have indented-text-mode for the comments in C programs.
Currently emacs has no provisions for switching the major mode based on the
context in the file. Short of binding a key to toggle between the two modes
manually, I'm afraid there's no other solution.

>If there is a Netscape DTD available,
I doubt it that a DTD can possibly describe a programming language (but
then my knowledge of SGML is marginal).

> how indent the entire document at once?
1. C-x h to mark-whole-buffer.
2. C-x TAB to indent-rigidly; or if you mean "to indent according to syntax
   rules", C-M-\ to indent-region; or for text M-x fill-individual-paragraphs.

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Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

> Andrew Jaffe wrote:
> > I noticed a new (Jul 22) version of XEmacs-19.14 for OSF3.2 on
> > ftp.xemacs.org this morning. I thought I remembered some traffic here
> 
> I still see the old version (Jun 23) for DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 in 
> ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs ???
> 
> Any hints where the new version is?

The new version is now available.  It now uses libdnet_stub instead of
libdnet.  Try again, and report back if the error persists.

        Steve

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You cannot use C-space to mark, because there's no such ASCII char. You can
use C-@ (ASCII 0) (and check in emacs that indeed that key is transmitted
using C-h c). Depending on the terminal emulator you use, you may be able
to bind C-space to the same key.

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I am looking for a good Emacs-based MIME program for use under BOTH UNIX 
and Win95.  any recommendations?  references to downloads or web sites 
are also helpful.

thanks,
Damian Berger
dberger@uwyo.edu

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@ludde.isy.liu.se>
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I often get problems when displaying inlined jpeg-pictures in Gnus and VM
(I'm using the tm package for that). 

I get the message 

 Corrupt JPEG data: 182 extraneous bytes before marker 0x03

in the console, and the error message

 JPEG decoding error: "Unsupported marker type 0x03", [jpeg :data "=FF=D8=
=FF=E0=00=10JFIF=00=01=02

in the minibuffer. 

Furthermore, I also get messages like

 xemacs: X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private re=
source denied)
   Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
   Serial number of failed request:  62152
   Current serial number in output stream:  62154

in the console, and the colormap get screwed up after a while.

I'm using XEmacs 19.14, compiled on a Sun Solaris 2.5 machine with jpeg
libs found in the /pub/aux directory on 'ftp.xemacs.org'.

/Anders

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Srinivas Maddhi writes:
 > Byron Harris wrote:
 > > Can I configure xemacs 19.14 to have the old behavior again?
 > Same problem here.

i wrote about the same problem 10 days ago --- no answers yet

please help
				gb


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* Harold Trammel wrote:

> 1. I have begun to add JavaScript to some of my HTML files. The 
> psgml-mode does not particularly like JavaScript. It does not choke or 
> anything, but it does hose the indenting. Are there any modifications to 
> support JavaScript? I won't ask for keyword highlighting, but the 
> indenting important to me. If there is a Netscape DTD available, this 
> might solve this. Is there?

There can be no DTD which has javascript in it, or at least such would
be horrendously difficult to write: since its syntax is very different
than SGML you'd have to do some amazing tricks with changing the
concrete syntax or something (which psgml wouldn't support anyway).

It might be possible to do some clever thing with making the mode be
different inside a <script> tag, and writing a javascript mode.

Why not use Java?

--tim

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on
tigger.isode.com, after I have invoked the following shell commands:

 $ cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/calendar
 $ rm calendar.el
 $ gzip -9 calendar.elc

 $ xemacs -no-init-file

xemacs reports "cannot open load file: calendar" in response to the following
dribble:

---start---
#<keypress-event meta-X>load-library
jka-compr
#<keypress-event meta-X>load-library
calendar
---end---

I would like to be able to compress infrequently used .elc files in this way 
to reduce the amount of disk space required.

The following patch enables such a feature if the new lisp variable
'load-file-suffixes' is set in .emacs as follows:

    (require 'jka-compr)
    (setq load-file-suffixes ".elc:.elc.gz:.el:")

Is there any chance of this or an equivalent feature being added to a future
version of xemacs?

Regards,
   John Farrell

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*** lread.c.orig	Mon Apr 15 01:56:27 1996
--- lread.c	Mon Jul  8 14:11:54 1996
***************
*** 80,85 ****
--- 80,87 ----
  int load_warn_when_source_only;
  /* Whether Fload_internal() should ignore .elc files when no suffix is given */
  int load_ignore_elc_files;
+ /* List of filename suffixes to try when loading lisp files */
+ Lisp_Object Vload_file_suffixes;
  
  /* Directory in which the sources were found.  */
  Lisp_Object Vsource_directory;
***************
*** 455,461 ****
  
  DEFUN ("load-internal", Fload_internal, Sload_internal, 1, 4, 0 /*
  Execute a file of Lisp code named FILE.
! First try FILE with `.elc' appended, then try with `.el',
   then try FILE unmodified.
  This function searches the directories in `load-path'.
  If optional second arg NOERROR is non-nil,
--- 457,463 ----
  
  DEFUN ("load-internal", Fload_internal, Sload_internal, 1, 4, 0 /*
  Execute a file of Lisp code named FILE.
! First try FILE with suffixes from `load-file-suffixes' appended,
   then try FILE unmodified.
  This function searches the directories in `load-path'.
  If optional second arg NOERROR is non-nil,
***************
*** 463,469 ****
  Print messages at start and end of loading unless
   optional third arg NOMESSAGE is non-nil (ignored in -batch mode).
  If optional fourth arg NOSUFFIX is non-nil, don't try adding
!  suffixes `.elc' or `.el' to the specified name FILE.
  Return t if file exists.
  */ )
    (file, no_error, nomessage, nosuffix)
--- 465,471 ----
  Print messages at start and end of loading unless
   optional third arg NOMESSAGE is non-nil (ignored in -batch mode).
  If optional fourth arg NOSUFFIX is non-nil, don't try adding
!  suffixes to the specified name FILE.
  Return t if file exists.
  */ )
    (file, no_error, nomessage, nosuffix)
***************
*** 477,482 ****
--- 479,485 ----
    Lisp_Object handler = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object found   = Qnil;
    struct gcpro gcpro1, gcpro2, gcpro3;
+   struct gcpro ngcpro1, ngcpro2, ngcpro3;
  #ifdef DEBUG_XEMACS
    int pure_usage = 0;
  #endif
***************
*** 484,489 ****
--- 487,493 ----
    int dosmode = O_TEXT;
  #endif /* DOS_NT */
    GCPRO3 (file, newer, found);
+   NGCPRO3 (no_error, nomessage, nosuffix);
  
    CHECK_STRING (file);
  
***************
*** 496,508 ****
    handler = Ffind_file_name_handler (file, Qload);
    if (!NILP (handler))
      {
!       RETURN_UNGCPRO (call5 (handler, Qload, file, no_error, nomessage,
  			     nosuffix));
      }
  
!   /* Do this after the handler to avoid
!      the need to gcpro noerror, nomessage and nosuffix.
!      (Below here, we care only whether they are nil or not.)  */
    file = Fsubstitute_in_file_name (file);
  
    /* Avoid weird lossage with null string as arg,
--- 500,513 ----
    handler = Ffind_file_name_handler (file, Qload);
    if (!NILP (handler))
      {
!       RETURN_NUNGCPRO (call5 (handler, Qload, file, no_error, nomessage,
  			     nosuffix));
      }
  
!   /* This is done after the handler because it used to avoid the need to gcpro
!      no_error, nomessage and nosuffix.  This is no longer true because the
!      handler could be called (again) for the suffix-expanded filename.
!      Hence, we could now perform substitution earlier if desired. */
    file = Fsubstitute_in_file_name (file);
  
    /* Avoid weird lossage with null string as arg,
***************
*** 513,522 ****
        char *foundstr;
        int foundlen;
  
        fd = locate_file (Vload_path, file, 
                          ((!NILP (nosuffix)) ? "" :
  			 load_ignore_elc_files ? ".el:" :
! 			 ".elc:.el:"),
                          &found,
                          -1);
  
--- 518,529 ----
        char *foundstr;
        int foundlen;
  
+       CHECK_STRING (Vload_file_suffixes);
+ 
        fd = locate_file (Vload_path, file, 
                          ((!NILP (nosuffix)) ? "" :
  			 load_ignore_elc_files ? ".el:" :
! 			 (char *) string_data (XSTRING (Vload_file_suffixes))),
                          &found,
                          -1);
  
***************
*** 526,536 ****
  	    signal_file_error ("Cannot open load file", file);
  	  else
  	    {
! 	      UNGCPRO;
  	      return Qnil;
  	    }
  	}
  
        foundstr = (char *) alloca (string_length (XSTRING (found)) + 1);
        strcpy (foundstr, (char *) string_data (XSTRING (found)));
        foundlen = strlen (foundstr);
--- 533,552 ----
  	    signal_file_error ("Cannot open load file", file);
  	  else
  	    {
! 	      NUNGCPRO; UNGCPRO;
  	      return Qnil;
  	    }
  	}
  
+       /* If the suffix-appended file name is magic, call the handler.  
+          This is useful when loading compressed files. */
+       handler = Ffind_file_name_handler (found, Qload);
+       if (!NILP (handler))
+         {
+            RETURN_NUNGCPRO (call5 (handler, Qload, found, no_error, nomessage,
+ 			     nosuffix));
+         }
+ 
        foundstr = (char *) alloca (string_length (XSTRING (found)) + 1);
        strcpy (foundstr, (char *) string_data (XSTRING (found)));
        foundlen = strlen (foundstr);
***************
*** 683,689 ****
    else
      message ("Loading %s...done", string_data (XSTRING (file)));
  
!   UNGCPRO;
    return Qt;
  }
  
--- 699,705 ----
    else
      message ("Loading %s...done", string_data (XSTRING (file)));
  
!   NUNGCPRO; UNGCPRO;
    return Qt;
  }
  
***************
*** 2939,2944 ****
--- 2955,2971 ----
  */ );
    load_ignore_elc_files = 0;
  
+   DEFVAR_LISP ("load-file-suffixes", &Vload_file_suffixes /*
+ *Filename suffixes that `load' should try appending to FILE.
+ See the description of SUFFIXES in the documentation for function
+ `locate-file'.  The default value is `.elc:.el:' which looks first for 
+ FILE with `.elc' appended, and then with `.el' appended.  
+ To automatically load gzip'd `.elc' files using jka-compr.el' set this 
+ to `.elc:.elc.gz:.el:' instead.
+ */);
+ 
+   Vload_file_suffixes = Fpurecopy (build_string (".elc:.el:"));
+ 
  #ifdef LOADHIST
    DEFVAR_LISP ("load-history", &Vload_history /*
  Alist mapping source file names to symbols and features.

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Subject: Re: Can't jump from *compilation* directly to source in 19.14
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Byron Harris <harrisb@mo.net> writes:

> 
> In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a 
> 'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler. 
> xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could 
> automatically go to the offending source.
> 

I would guess that the error regexp does not understand your
compiler's error message format. Check out
compilation-error-regexp-alist. 

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From: hlam@bertil.hallf.lth.se (Anders Magnusson)
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Subject: Compiling auctex with xemacs-19.14
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Hi
I'm trying to compile auctex-9.5a on my HP, running HP-UX 10.01, with
XEmacs-19.14. The problem is with auc-old, when I try to byte compile
it with
xemacs -batch -q -l lpath.el -f batch-byte-compile auc-old.el
I get
Compiling /home/hlam/src/auctex-9.5a/auc-old.el...
Loading cl-macs...
Loading latex...
Loading tex...
Loading easymenu...
While compiling toplevel forms in file /home/hlam/src/auctex-9.5a/auc-old.el:
  !! Wrong type argument ((listp #<keymap "LaTeX" 4 entries 0x779>))

I get the same error if I try to bytecompile it in a XEmacs
window. Does anybody have a clue what this is. I get the same type of
messages when slides.el, foils.el, latexinfo.el and harvard.el is
bytecompiled. I get a similar message when I load a Latex file into
XEmacs. 
There is also a problem when I try to build LaCheck, because I don't
have flex installed. I get a message
**********************************************************
** Building LaCheck
**********************************************************
        ( cd lacheck; make bindir=/usr/local/bin \
           CC="cc" CFLAGS="-O" LEX="cp lacheck.noflex.c lex.yy.c " \
           LACHECK=lacheck LIBS=)
        if [ ! -f ./lacheck.noflex.c ] ; then \
          if [ -f ./lacheck.c ] ; then \
            cp  ./lacheck.c ./lacheck.noflex.c ; \
          fi ; \
        fi
        flex -8 ./lacheck.lex
Make: Cannot load flex.  Stop.
*** Error exit code 1

If anyone has a clue to any of these problems (especially the first) I
would very much appreciate an answer.

Thanks in advance

Anders
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Hi,

19.14s speed behaviour is very erratic here on my Sparc5 with SunOS 4.1.4.
Sometimes its fine (i.e. key repeats slower than time to process key) other
times this situation seems to flip for no apparent reason. At this point keys
start to be queued, which gets very annoying.

Generally, more and/or bigger buffers seem to make the situation worse.

Has anybody found a fix for this yet, or is anybody following a good lead? I've
tried removing packages, not using font-lock and most of the other suggestions,
but none of these worked for me.

Do any of the maintainers have an idea about whats new since 19.13 which may
have caused this, or are we all still in the dark?
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Stephen Carney wrote:
> The new version is now available.  It now uses libdnet_stub instead of
> libdnet.  Try again, and report back if the error persists.

Thanks a lot!
The new binaries seem to work OK for me. gnuclient/gnuserv works again.

Thomas
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Subject: find-file with Xemacs 19.14 under AIX 3.2
Date: 30 Jul 1996 15:13:00 +0100
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Apologies if this has been asked already.  I've just upgraded to using Xemacs
19.14 on an RS6000 under AIX 3.2.  It's now the case that find-file doesn't
appear to notice if the file it's trying to visit is already loaded into a
buffer.  That is to say, if I load a file in, then load the same file in again,
I get two copies of it in buffername<1> and buffername<2>.

It used to be fine with Xemacs 19.12, and all appears fine running with the
same setup under SunOS (which we installed at the same time as the AIX
version).

Anybody any ideas?  An e-mail reply would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris.

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From: juber@aerosol.cee.uc.edu (James Uber)
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Subject: Wierd Xemacs hang when scrolling beyond top/bottom
Date: 30 Jul 1996 14:07:59 GMT
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We're running Xemacs 19.13 on HPUX v10.01.  On _one_ particular machine (using
the same executable), Xemacs hangs if I attempt to scroll off the top or bottom
of the buffer using the cursor keys (it also happens during other similar
events, such as backspacing too far in the minibuffer).  All the other 
machines behave acceptably, so it must be a machine configuration thing.

Does anyone have any clues about where I might look on my machine to fix this?

Thanks

Jim Uber
Jim.Uber@uc.edu
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To: pah@esoft.co.uk
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: where is the *Message Log* in 19.14?
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Date: 30 Jul 1996 16:30:16 +0200
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"Paul" =3D=3D Paul Harrison <pah@esoft.co.uk> writes:

 Paul> Can anyone tell me what has happened to the show-message-log functio=
n and menu
 Paul> item in xemacs 19.14 - it has disappeared since 19.13 - is there ano=
ther way to
 Paul> look at the *Message Log* buffer? I have not been able to find anyth=
ing in the
 Paul> news about it changing.

Type C-h l

Or in the Help menu, go to the Recent Keystrokes/Messages item.

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From: bass@rsn.hp.com (Brad F. Bass)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Can't jump from *compilation* directly to source in 19.14
Date: 30 Jul 1996 10:14:29 -0500
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>Byron Harris <harrisb@mo.net> writes:
>> In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a 
>> 'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler. 
>> xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could 
>> automatically go to the offending source.

Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no> pointed out that the regex
in line 195 of ".../lisp/packages/compile.el" is broken.  Comment it out,
re-byte-encode the file, and all will be well.
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j. doe (johndoe@world.std.com) wrote:
: i'm a little confused by your post.  i thought the default mode of
: gnuserv/gnuclient was to use INTERNET_DOMAIN_SOCKETS, xauth and
: magic-cookies.  the gnuserv/gnuclient at this site were changed to 
: *not* use these facilities, as per the instructions in the Makefile
: and the gnuserv.h file (because we did not want such behavior; only
: local access was desired.

No that was not the problem. INTERNET_DOMAIN_SOCKETS work fine for
opening frames and sending commands. I though one could also use this
connection for transfering the file, so there would be no need for
NFS.

I got a few tips and want to thank everyone who sent me
help. Basically I'm now using ange-ftp with "GNU_NODE" set to
"/user@host:".

: 
: --johndoe


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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: How to get rid of backup files?
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I have been using xemacs for while, but can't figure out how to have
xemacs NOT make those backup files with the ~.  This just clutters up my
directories.

What do I need to put in my .emacs file to not make backup files?

Thanks,
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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Harold" ==  Harold Trammel wrote:

Harold> 1. I have begun to add JavaScript to some of my HTML
Harold>    files. The psgml-mode does not particularly like
Harold>    JavaScript. It does not choke or anything, but it does hose
Harold>    the indenting. Are there any modifications to support
Harold>    JavaScript? I won't ask for keyword highlighting, but the
Harold>    indenting important to me. If there is a Netscape DTD
Harold>    available, this might solve this. Is there?

Try the html-netscape.dtd, although the wilbur DTD (html-3.2.dtd) is
probably more up to date wrt Netscape additions to HTML.

Tim> There can be no DTD which has javascript in it, or at least such
Tim> would be horrendously difficult to write: since its syntax is
Tim> very different than SGML you'd have to do some amazing tricks
Tim> with changing the concrete syntax or something (which psgml
Tim> wouldn't support anyway).

psgml mode in 19.15 will include the Hot Java DTDs from Sun
Microsystems, or you can pull them down from webtechs
	http://www.webtechs.com/
and add them yourself.

But Javascript != Java.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "jmiller" == jmiller  <jmiller@bayserve.net> writes:

jmiller>    I've tried getting Mailcrypt/Vm working together the last
jmiller>  couple days.  I can successly encrypt and send an email, but
jmiller>  if I try to decrypt, I get the following error. (I added the
jmiller>  wrapping)
 ...
jmiller> I think I've seen elsewhere that byte-compiled macros caused
jmiller> problems but I can't remember where or what the fix was.

jmiller> If this has been addressed before, I apoligize if this has
jmiller> been covered before but I didn't see anything in the FAQ.

Rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs, they are out of date in the
distributed release.

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When I'm in (term-mode), runnning tcsh, I'd like to be able
to echo current path to the frame title on the bar, in fashion
similar to how it's done on xterm (cd $path; echo "^]2....")
as described in man pages for xterm. What would be an escape
sequence which would do in xemacs? If none exists, then
how would one go about creating a hook for (term-mode)?


Thanks


--
Igor Sheyn
http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~sheyn/home.html

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From: Robert Gilde <gilde@orca.ds.boeing.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Bug in 19.14 version of mime-compose.el (fix included)

There is a problem in the version of mime-compose.el 1.5 that is
included in Xemacs 19.14, that did not exist in 19.13.  Curiously, the
mime-compose.el source has been altered from 19.13 to 19.14, but the
version number stays the same, and the changes are not documented.

The problem is in the mime-include-file function.  The line

   (insert "\n")

is missing in Xemacs 19.14.  I can't imagine why it was taken out.
This line is needed to produce a blank line in each bodypart between
the end of the MIME headers and the beginning of the content.

Without this extra line, MIME decoders that I have tried are unable to
process the message.  This includes Netscape Mail, Eudora, cc:Mail,
and munpack.

Attached is the function definition with the one line added.  I just
copied /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/mime-compose.el to
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/mime-compose.el and patched that copy
and byte compiled it and now I can send MIME messages again.

Rob Gilde

-------- cut here -------

(defun mime-include-file (filename content-type binary &optional charset)
  "Include a file named by FILENAME and with MIME content type
CONTENT-TYPE.  If third argument BINARY is T, then the file is binary;
else it's text.  Optional fourth arg CHARSET names character set for
data.  Data will be encoded in base64 or quoted-printable format as
appropriate."
  (mime-mimify-message)
  (push-mark)
  (insert "--" (mime-primary-boundary) "\n")
  (insert "Content-Type: " content-type)
  (if charset
      (insert "; charset=" charset))
  (if (and mime-name-included-files (not (string= filename mime-audio-file)))
      (insert "; name=\"" (file-name-nondirectory filename) "\""))
  (insert "\n")
  (if (not (string= filename mime-audio-file))
      (insert "Content-Description: " filename "\n"))
  (if binary
      (insert "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64\n")
    (insert "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\n"))
  (mime-maybe-highlight-region 
   (save-excursion (re-search-backward 
                    (concat "--" (mime-primary-boundary))) (point))
   (- (point) 1))
  (insert "\n") ;; Added by RGG 96jul30
  (let ((start (point)) end (seldisp selective-display))
    (next-line 1)
    (save-excursion
      (next-line -1)
      (insert-file filename))
    (setq end (- (point) 1))
    (setq selective-display nil)
    (if binary
        (shell-command-on-region start end mime-encode-base64-command t)
      (shell-command-on-region start end mime-encode-qp-command t))
    (setq selective-display seldisp)
    (setq end (point))
    (mime-maybe-hide-region start (- end 1))
    (insert "\n")
    (insert "--" (mime-primary-boundary) "\n")
    (insert "Content-Type: text/plain\n")
    (mime-maybe-highlight-region 
     (save-excursion (re-search-backward 
                      (concat "--" (mime-primary-boundary))) (point))
     (- (point) 1))
    (insert "\n\n")
    (next-line -1)))

-------- cut here -------


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I am using C-@ to mark and it does show on the modeline that indeed a
mark is being set. 

		THanks,
		    Chuck

Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> 
> You cannot use C-space to mark, because there's no such ASCII char. You can
> use C-@ (ASCII 0) (and check in emacs that indeed that key is transmitted
> using C-h c). Depending on the terminal emulator you use, you may be able
> to bind C-space to the same key.

-- 
=================================================================
Chuck Feltner                     E-mail: exufelt@exu.ericsson.se        
Ericsson, Inc.                    Memo:   eus.eusfelt
=================================================================

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Check out the cc-mode variables c-file-style and c-file-offsets.

-Barry

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From: David Mankin <mankin@colossus.mathcs.rhodes.edu>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 any speed enhancments yet?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:47:45 -0600
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Nick Thompson <uknt@micro.lucent.com> wrote:
> 
> 19.14s speed behaviour is very erratic here on my Sparc5 with SunOS 4.1.4.
> Sometimes its fine (i.e. key repeats slower than time to process key) other
> times this situation seems to flip for no apparent reason. At this point keys
> start to be queued, which gets very annoying.
> 
> Generally, more and/or bigger buffers seem to make the situation worse.
> 
> Has anybody found a fix for this yet, or is anybody following a good lead?
> I've tried removing packages, not using font-lock and most of the other
> suggestions, but none of these worked for me.
> 
> Do any of the maintainers have an idea about whats new since 19.13 which may
> have caused this, or are we all still in the dark?

I have noticed the same behaviour on a Sparc10 with Solaris 2.5.

When I run top, it shows that the machine is not very loaded, but that the CPU
is consistantly in kernel time:
last pid:   900;  load averages:  0.30,  0.26,  0.22  
Cpu states:  0.0% idle,  0.0% user, 93.6% kernel,  6.4% iowait,  0.0% swap
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Memory: 124M real, 17M free, 100M swap, 300M free swap

If I press an arrow key repeatedly, the cursor will usually move a couple of
spaces, but then stop and hang for about 5 seconds.  This is the time at which
the user time drops from 80% to 0% and the kernel time goes up from 10% to 93%.
I don't know enough about the kernel and user time readings to know what this
means, but maybe the XEmacs maintainers can use this to help track down the
problem.  

The slow response is so disconcerting that I've had to go back to using 19.13,
but I miss all the new features of 19.14.  

If anyone has any temporary fixes or other ideas, please let me know!

David Mankin
mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu

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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: C-z iconify doesn't obey icon title format
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:52:17 MDT
From: Sam Falkner <sam@steel.Central.Sun.COM>

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on xemacs

i have the variable `frame-icon-title-format' set to "emacs"; in other
words, i always want the title of my icon to be just `emacs', without
any buffer, host, etc. info.

this works fine when i use the `iconify' button on my title bar to
iconify xemacs, but when i use C-z, he goes back to a title such as
`xemacs@hostname'.

this seems like a bug -- sorry if i'm doing something stupid.

thanks!

- sam

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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
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Subject: [q] cperl-mode messing with my isearch-forward word boundaries?
Date: 30 Jul 1996 18:23:54 GMT
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[using xemacs-19.14 on sunos-4.1.3]

Hi,

I tried cperl-mode today and notice that when I
perform an incremental search (using C-w), the search/yank
forwards past the "_" characters.


Example performing a search (just previous to) on variable:
  $command_line_args = blah blah ...
typing "C-s comm C-w" will yank up-to the white-space, i.e.,
  $command_line_args = blah blah ...
                    ^
                    |______ yanked text.


In plain old vanilla perl mode (and most/all other default modes),
the cursor would be placed at the leading "_":
  $command_line_args = blah blah ...
          ^
          |______ yanked text.


Is this a cperl-mode problem/setting that I can override?
If so, could someone show me how to hook this change into
my cperl .emacs code?

Currently, I just perform the following in my .emacs:
  (autoload 'perl-mode "cperl-mode" "Enhanced perl-mode")


Thanks.
Silvio


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Subject: Rebinding Num_Lock in XEmacs 19.14

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.3) of Sat Jul  6 1996 on pepperoni

One of the users at our site has experienced a problem with the XEmacs
19.14 that did not exist in 19.13.

The problem is that XEmacs does not seem to respect his rebinding of
the Num_Lock key.

In his X startup scripts he executes a line like:

	xmodmap -e "keycode 105 = F24 Num_Lock"

Which changes keycode 105 (the Num_Lock key on our Sun keyboards) to
be F24 unshifted and Num_Lock (if shifted).  In XEmacs 19.13, this
works just fine, allowing the Num_Lock key to be used as part of a
TPU/EDT keypad.  Unfortunately under XEmacs 19.14, this no longer
works (it just turns num lock on and off as if the xmodmap had never
been done).

I took a look at the FAQs and the NEWS file but was unable find
anything that mentioned changes in the handling of the Num_Lock key.
Poking around in the source didn't make anything jump out at me
either.

Any help would be appreciated.

-- 
-- Mark Osbourne      O-
-- marko@lexis-nexis.com

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From: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@Eng.Sun.COM>
To: mernst@theory.lcs.mit.edu, xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Patch to uniquify.el for XEmacs 19.14
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The following patch is necessary to keep uniquify happy under XEmacs
19.14, because expand-file-name will barf if passed an argument of
nil.

For the XEmacs folks, someone might want to include uniquify with
19.15; it's incredibly useful.

	<b

*** uniquify.el.~1~	Mon Jul 29 15:45:20 1996
--- uniquify.el	Tue Jul 30 13:27:32 1996
***************
*** 1,11 ****
! 7;;; uniquify.el --- unique buffer names dependent on pathname
  
  ;; Copyright (c) 1989, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  
  ;; Author: Dick King <king@kestrel>
  ;; Maintainer: Michael Ernst <mernst@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
  ;; Created: 15 May 86
! ;; Time-stamp: <95/06/13 07:22:22 mernst>
  
  ;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.
  
--- 1,11 ----
! ;;; uniquify.el --- unique buffer names dependent on pathname
  
  ;; Copyright (c) 1989, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  
  ;; Author: Dick King <king@kestrel>
  ;; Maintainer: Michael Ernst <mernst@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
  ;; Created: 15 May 86
! ;; Time-stamp: <96/07/30 13:27:32 bos>
  
  ;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.
  
***************
*** 116,122 ****
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (eq buffer newbuf)
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))
--- 116,122 ----
      (let ((buffers (buffer-list)))
        (while buffers
  	(let* ((buffer (car buffers))
! 	       (bfn (if (and newbuffile (eq buffer newbuf))
  			(expand-file-name newbuffile)
  		      (buffer-file-name-for-uniquify buffer)))
  	       (rawname (and bfn (file-name-nondirectory bfn)))

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It seems that the emacs web browser W3 does not 
recognize frame objects(in the HTML sense). Is this a 
planned feature or are there any patchs for this ?~


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In article <6johkxmywf.fsf@b02f14.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Chuck Feltner <exufelt@exu.ericson.se> writes:

> it does show on the modeline that indeed a mark is being set. 
Ok, sorry, I misunderstood you.

> "The region is not active now"
Does any highlight show together with the "Mark set" message? Does it
disappear later when you move the point? If so, check exaclt what commands
to your arrows invoke. As a last resort, you can (setq zmacs-regions nil)
but you won't see the region highlighted (I actually use this because I
hate the "region is not active now" message eg after a M->).

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In article <4tlp83$12h4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> markadam@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (M Adam) writes:

> It seems that the emacs web browser W3 does not 
> recognize frame objects(in the HTML sense).
Yes, it doesn't.

> Is this a planned feature
Don't hold your breath for it. It doesn't do tables yet, and I guess that's
a higher priority.

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Subject: Problems with XEmacs 19.14
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[Please include me in followups, since although I've asked to be added
 to the XEmacs mailing list, I haven't yet received a response.]

I have run into several problems in making the move from GNU Emacs
19.31 to XEmacs 19.14.  I will list them here, in the hope that they
may get fixed.

- The code for dealing with a separate minibuffer-only frame has a
  number of problems.  I use a single minibuffer frame, with
  'minibuffer 'only in its plist.  My default-frame-plist consists
  only of '(minibuffer none).

  - The minibuffer frame occasionally keeps the focus after being
    used; it shouldn't.

  - The minibuffer frame contains both a menubar and a toolbar by
    default.  It should contain neither.  The only way I could get rid
    of them was to do the following in my .emacs:

      (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)
      (start-itimer
       "minibuffer-fix-hack"
       (function
	(lambda ()
	  (set-specifier
	   menubar-visible-p
	   nil
	   default-minibuffer-frame)))
       1)

    Note that I had to use a *timer* to get rid of the toolbar, since
    it seems that the minibuffer-only frame (unlike other frames)
    isn't created until XEmacs has finished reading my .emacs.  As a
    result, default-minibuffer-frame isn't set to anything that I can
    deal with usefully from within .emacs.

  - When I specify in the minibuffer-frame-plist that the height of
    the minibuffer should be 1 row, XEmacs sets its height to 2 rows.
    Using set-frame-size has the same effect.  I cannot make the frame
    1 row high.

- Either specifying frame positions does not work as documented, or
  the documentation that covers this is written incorrectly.  If I try
  to do something like

    (make-frame (list 'width 90
		      'height 60
		      'left '(- 0)
		      'top 0
		      'name "Plugh"))

  in order to ensure that the frame named Plugh lives in the top
  right-hand corner of my screen, I get two results.  One is that
  XEmacs barfs, claiming that '(- 0) is not an integer (true enough,
  but the documentation says that this should work).  Another is that
  Xlib barfs into the terminal window from which I started XEmacs:

    xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
      Major opcode of failed request:  18 (X_ChangeProperty)
      Resource id in failed request:  0x0
      Serial number of failed request:  2119
      Current serial number in output stream:  2170

  Sometimes this error is deferred until I quit XEmacs.

- There is something seriously wrong with the way the variable named
  disabled-command-hook is dealt with.  If I set it to any symbol not
  named disabled-command-hook and then try to run a disabled command,
  nothing happens - the disabled command is not run, and no error
  message is displayed.  I end up having to redefine the function
  named disabled-command-hook in order to get anything to happen.

- None of the XEmacs mail-related code seems to know anything about
  mail-citation-hook, which is a standard Emacs hook used by
  Supercite, among other things, to diddle cited text before the user
  starts editing it.  The message.el stuff in Gnus has a
  message-cite-hook, but it took me ages to find the thing.

- When I ask set-frame-position to move a frame to an offset from the
  bottom or right-hand side of the screen , it does not take window
  manager decorations around the frame into account.  Trying something
  like the piece of code below should illustrate this.

    (set-frame-position default-minibuffer-frame -1 -1)

- XEmacs seems to be a lot slower than GNU Emacs.  Is this just my
  imagination?

This is all I can think of for now.

	<b

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In article <4t3bvm$m8r@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, fox@pt0204.pto.ford.com wrote:
>I'm not opposed to progress, but throwing away Emacs and building a new
>editor just like it (but written in Java so it must be better) seems
>like a silly effort.  (But then again, I'm getting close to 30, so maybe
>I've lost my "youthful impatience" as well... ;-)

Yes, obviously throwing away Emacs and building a new editor JUST LIKE it
would be a huge waste of time. Throwing Emacs away and building something
different, that borrows good ideas and avoids repeating mistakes from the
original Emacs, that takes full advantage of the object-oriented, 
multi-threaded java VM and the libraries that run on it... that is a very good 
idea.

This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be composed of normal 
Java objects, and be extended by normal Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.

It should revolve around a "buffer" object, which would be a subclass of 
control so you could mix it in with buttons and things in any window.
A default  editor environment that allows a user to open multiple buffers 
should be provided, but the tools should all be there for anyone to implement 
their own editor environment. Emacs was customizable, within limits. If we 
plan this right from square one, we may not have as many limits.

This buffer object should contain methods for loading text from files, 
strings, InputStream objects, and URLs. It should have methods to move the 
cursor, select areas of text, and so on.  Most importantly, it should try 
wherever possible to leverage off of existing standards within the java 
community. 

For instance: one common operation in a programmer's editor is to run a 
selected area of text through a filter. We could define our own filter 
interface, but there are already perfectly good FilterInputStream and 
FilterOutputStream objects defined in java.io. If we choose to use subclasses 
of these objects, we will reap the benifits of any subclass of these objects 
written by anyone, whether or not they were thinking of using it in an editor. 
In fact, our editor should be intimately aware of just about everything 
available in the package java.io, for just this reason. 

The key to java.io is input streams and output streams: handle them correctly, 
and we can add anything to our editor as easily as putting tinker-toys 
together. Creating a buffer from an input stream should be as easy as

  Buffer mybuf = new Buffer(myinput);

saving a buffer to an output stream should be equally simple:

  mybuf.save(myoutput);

Similarly, we should have ways to turn a buffer or a selected region of
text into an InputStream, insert text into the buffer from an InputStream, and 
so on.

Another thing in java.io that bears some interest is RandomAccessFile.
With methods like read(), seek(), and write(), it shouldn't be too hard to see
that the ability to treat a buffer as a RandomAccessFile could come in
handy. Our subclass could add methods of our own like select(), insert(), 
replace(), and delete(), but it's a good a place to start as any for a 
generalized text-access object: and it will have the added bonus of
being automatically compatable with any class written to manipulate
RandomAccessFiles.

Emacs owes it's flexibility to a library of utilities contributed by a large, 
yet statistically miniscule group of people. Imagine if we had access to 
libraries with the full weight and enthusiasm of Java itself behind them!

-Eugene

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>    Note that I had to use a *timer* to get rid of the toolbar, since
>    it seems that the minibuffer-only frame (unlike other frames)
>    isn't created until XEmacs has finished reading my .emacs.

That's what after-init-hook is for.

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Hi
	I'm having two distinct problems in xemacs 19.14

1.  Periodic bus errors or segmentation violations.
(Sparc/Sola	ris 2.5 and Linux 2.07)
Backtrace shows that xemacs is in the garbage collector at the time.
#0  0x811199b in lrecord_subr ()
#1  0x8000023 in ?? ()
#2  0x80c2cfa in mark_window (obj=412324352, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at window.c:164
#3  0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=412324352) at alloc.c:2776
#4  0x80c8be0 in mark_window_config (obj=-1736875264, 
    markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>) at window.c:4651
#5  0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=-1736875264) at alloc.c:2776
#6  0x8009578 in mark_object (obj=678464388) at alloc.c:2753
#7  0x800967e in mark_object (obj=1212111360) at alloc.c:2809
#8  0x800967e in mark_object (obj=-935372352) at alloc.c:2809
#9  0x8009578 in mark_object (obj=675143796) at alloc.c:2753
#10 0x80518a6 in mark_frame (obj=406482176, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at frameslots.h:73
#11 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=406482176) at alloc.c:2776
#12 0x80a8c35 in x_mark_device (d=0x82b3b00, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at device-x.c:294
#13 0x801dc09 in mark_device (obj=405486336, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at device.c:100
#14 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=405486336) at alloc.c:2776
#15 0x8051867 in mark_frame (obj=413158656, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at frameslots.h:25
#16 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=413158656) at alloc.c:2776
#17 0x80c2cc7 in mark_window (obj=412810752, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at window.c:156
#18 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=412810752) at alloc.c:2776
#19 0x8097287 in mark_symbol (obj=405556092, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:103
#20 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=407332420) at alloc.c:2776
#21 0x809728d in mark_symbol (obj=407127196, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:104
#22 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=409104676) at alloc.c:2776
#23 0x800967e in mark_object (obj=409466820) at alloc.c:2809
#24 0x809728d in mark_symbol (obj=409604244, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:104
#25 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=409604244) at alloc.c:2776
#26 0x800967e in mark_object (obj=409466788) at alloc.c:2809
#27 0x809728d in mark_symbol (obj=409604268, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:104
#28 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=409772484) at alloc.c:2776
#29 0x809728d in mark_symbol (obj=409117156, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:104
#30 0x80095cb in mark_object (obj=409199484) at alloc.c:2776
#31 0x800967e in mark_object (obj=409655812) at alloc.c:2809
#32 0x809728d in mark_symbol (obj=409569668, markobj=0x80094d0 <mark_object>)
    at symbols.c:104
....
(The stack is over 2000 frames deep -- syslog messages indicate that the process ran out of stack)


2.  Quite often, when creating a new frame, or when deiconifying a frame, xemacs
gets confused as to which frames to display things in.
For example, I have a VM frame iconified, and am reading news in gnus.
If i then use ^X5f to read a directory, the new frame appears, but with nothing displayed in it.

My window manager is piewm (based on tvtwm, based on twm).

Peter C

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Subject: Re: W3 and frames
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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
> 
> In article <4tlp83$12h4@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> markadam@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (M Adam) writes:
> 
> > It seems that the emacs web browser W3 does not
> > recognize frame objects(in the HTML sense).
> Yes, it doesn't.
>
> > Is this a planned feature
> Don't hold your breath for it. It doesn't do tables yet, and I guess that's
> a higher priority.

  Odds are unless someone steps up and helps with the new display stuff,
it will be quite a while.  I've just started a new job at a small
startup, and my free time will be much less than it has been. 
Volunteers welcome - send me email or mail w3-dev@indiana.edu

-Bill P.

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From: Antti Autio <aa@black-planet.netppl.fi>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 any speed enhancments yet?
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David Mankin <mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu> writes:

> If I press an arrow key repeatedly, the cursor will usually move a couple of
> spaces, but then stop and hang for about 5 seconds.  This is the time at which
> the user time drops from 80% to 0% and the kernel time goes up from 10% to 93%.
> I don't know enough about the kernel and user time readings to know what this
> means, but maybe the XEmacs maintainers can use this to help track down the
> problem.  

this might somehow be related to a problem i had on my Linux box:
instead of pausing for a couple of seconds my xemacs would hang 
completely in a similar situation - extremely annoying. the problem
appeared in both 19.13 and 19.14 and in both pre-compiled elf binary
distributions and also executables compiled from sources on the same 
system with gcc 2.7.2. i tried everything i could come up with (messing 
with packages, replacing libraries i suspected might be broken, compiling
with many strange options, full moon rituals and all that) until 
i was desperate enough to learn to use a debugger (gdb) which helped
me to trace to problem to function Dynarr_resize in dynarr.c. 

interrupting the make process and compiling dynarr.c without any
optimization options solved the problem and everything is working
smoothly now. the current version i'm running is compiled with
-O6 -mpentium with a gcc that looks like this:

(aa) black-planet:/home/aa# gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/pentium-linux/2.7.2p/specs
gcc driver version 2.7.2p snapshot 960511 executing gcc version 2.7.2p

the problem, however, appeared also in versions compiled with plain
2.7.2. i think there was a mention in etc/PROBLEMS or somewhere about 
broken code produced by gcc 2.7.2 but if i remember right it involved 
adding -fno-strength-reduce to CFLAGS if -O2 was to be used and didn't 
do any good in my case. 

--
antti

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f> That's what after-init-hook is for.

Doesn't work.

	<b

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
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Subject: Re: Frame title
Date: 30 Jul 1996 14:12:38 -0700
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>>>> 'Igor Sheyn (sheyn@cs.bu.edu)' asked the following:

 IS> When I'm in (term-mode), runnning tcsh, I'd like to be able
 IS> to echo current path to the frame title on the bar, in fashion
 IS> similar to how it's done on xterm (cd $path; echo "^]2....")
 IS> as described in man pages for xterm. What would be an escape
 IS> sequence which would do in xemacs? If none exists, then
 IS> how would one go about creating a hook for (term-mode)?

Here's what I use for shell-mode. I think term-mode uses comint, so this may
work as-is for you. Note I don't use the directory tracking found in
shell-mode (and term-mode?). Instead, I send a string from my shell's cd
function formatted as

  ESC]2;<user name>: <directory>\007

where <user name> is the login ID of the user running the shell, and
<directory> is the shell's current working directory. Just change the regexp in
the re-search-forward call below to properly match whatever you decide to spit
out.

(defvar my-shell-pid-tag "")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'my-shell-pid-tag)

(defun my-shell-output-filter (s)
  (goto-char comint-last-output-start)
  (while (re-search-forward "\033\\]2;\\(\\([^:]*\\): \\([^\007]*\\)\\)\007"
							(point-max) t)
	(rename-buffer (concat (buffer-substring-no-properties (match-beginning 1)
														   (match-end 1))
						   my-shell-pid-tag))
	(cd (buffer-substring-no-properties (match-beginning 3) (match-end 3)))
	(delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
	)
  (goto-char (point-max))
  )

(defun my-shell-mode-hook ()
  "My shell mode hook"
  (setq comint-prompt-regexp "^[%#$] "
		comint-input-ring-size 256
		comint-input-filter-functions '(t)
		comint-output-filter-functions '(my-shell-output-filter
										 comint-postoutput-scroll-to-bottom
										 comint-watch-for-password-prompt)
		my-shell-pid-tag
		(concat " (" (number-to-string (process-id (get-buffer-process
													(current-buffer))))
				")")
		)
  )

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p> I think that Guile uses conservative GC...

Guile is not a good example to use if you're trying to make positive
claims about conservative GC.  It has a horrendous GC interface, which
is just as much of a bug farm as that of Emacs.

	<b

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Hi, could anybody tell me where I can find the executables xemacs-19.14
compiled under Sun Solaris 2.3? Thank you for any help.

Hongbo Qi
COAS
Oregon State University

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Hi,
	I'm looking for Cyrillic/Russian dictionary, that can be
	[easily] integrated with ispell-3.1.20 and XEmacs-19.14.

	Any help?  Thanks!
-- 
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What is this webbing minor mode that W3 loads up and why is it activated in
all of my windows after I load W3?  What's its use?
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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Cleaning up message posts in Gnus??
Date: 30 Jul 1996 18:42:40 -0700
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I've noticed that Gnus 5.2.25 that comes with XEmacs doesn't clean up any
buffers that are used for composing posts to newsgroups.  Normally, this is a
good thing.  The problem is that Gnus leaves the modified bit turned on for
this buffer, so XEmacs asks about these buffers before allowing you to exit.

Any suggestions for teaching Gnus to turn this bit off after it has posted the
message to the newsgroup(s)?
--Multipart_Tue_Jul_30_18:42:40_1996-1
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==================================================================
David Masterson				KLA Instruments
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davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
==================================================================
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--Multipart_Tue_Jul_30_18:42:40_1996-1--

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Yet another follow-up:

XEmacs crashed, so I started it up and guess what? The default color (for
group line faces only) was white again! I went into Customize and changed it
to navajowhite1, but that should not be necessary. This must be a bug.

Gail

-- 
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Sybase Server Tech Pubs        | phone: (510) 922-0194

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Bug in new frame menu bar creation
Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:03:56 -0700
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I start up XEmacs with the following command in my .fvwmrc file:

	xemacs -g 81x58+480+20 -funcall vm &

This causes XEmacs to start up in VM, which works just fine. However, I run
into a problem when I create a new frame.

I press the "XEmacs" button on the menu bar to give me the regular menu
bar. Then I select File->New Frame (or press C-x 5 2). A new frame comes
up, but it has the VM menu bar. And when I change the menu bar between the
"VM" version and the "XEmacs" version on either frame, it changes on the
other. 

One way I've found around this (and this tends to be my normal routine
anyway) is to press the "News" button to start up Gnus and then open a new
frame from there.

-- 
Gail Gurman                    | email: Gail.Gurman@Sybase.com
Sybase Server Tech Pubs        | phone: (510) 922-0194

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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Subject: Re: Help with gnus
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:
    Sobhan> Ans also When I send gnus complains that my lines > 70 chars

    Steven> Your lines are too long.  Fill them with M-q to shorten them up, or
    Steven> use auto-fill.  I like to use both.

On a related subject, is there a way to set fill-column locally for message
mode? I usually like a line length of 76, but I think this is too long for
posted news.

-- 
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Sybase Server Tech Pubs        | phone: (510) 922-0194

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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Harrison <pah@esoft.co.uk> writes:

Paul> Can anyone tell me what has happened to the show-message-log
Paul> function and menu item in xemacs 19.14 - it has disappeared
Paul> since 19.13 - is there another way to look at the *Message Log*
Paul> buffer? I have not been able to find anything in the news about
Paul> it changing.

It is now available under C-h l (M-x view-lossage).  The change was
not undocumented :-).
-- 
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I'm having a problem with visualization of man pages inside XEmacs
(19.14, compiled locally)
Sometimes (read: not with all man pages) xemacs refuses to work
and gives a message like the following: 

  M-x man RET XCreateBitmapFromData

File: /usr/X11/man/man3/XCreateBitmapFromData.3x.gz
TIOCGWINSZ failed
: Not a typewriter
No entry for XCreateBitmapFromData in section 3x of the manual

the file contains only one line : a pointer to another man page: 

 $ zcat /usr/X11/man/man3/XCreateBitmapFromData.3x.gz 
.so man3/XReadBitmapFile.3x


Is my XEmacs misconfigurated before compiling or after ?

 Stefano

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From: hqi@whiny.oce.orst.edu (Hongbo Qi)
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Subject: No 3D look on the toolbar of xemac
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I compiled xemacs-19.14 from scratch on a Sun Sparc20 running solaris2.3.
The compilation was successful. The problem is that the xemacs' toolbar
does not have a 3D look (and the annotations such as "open", "print", etc.
on the icons are missing). Could anyone tell me what the problem is and how
to solve it? I'd appraciate your help.

Hongbo Qi
COAS, Oregon State University 

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Subject: [Q] Two simple questions (region) (files)
Date: 31 Jul 96 10:13:48 +0200
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6I have two questions:

1) I have defined these two simple functions which work well, except for one
point: when the mark is set, I'd like them to extend the region
according to the point-movement they produce. However, the region just
disappears when I execute them. Passing the region with (interactive
"r") yields an error if the region does not exist. Does anybody know the
solution?

(defun rb-end-next-line ()
  "Goes to the end of the next line"
  (interactive)
  (forward-line)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-end-key ()
  "If not at eol, goes to eol; otherwise goes to the end of the next line"
  (interactive)
  (if (eolp)
	(progn
	  (forward-line)
	  (end-of-line))
    (end-of-line)))

2) I'd like to define a key so that it finds a certain fixed file with
something like
(global-set-key '(meta h) 'find-file "/usr/local/.../file.el"), but the
syntax is wrong and I could not find a single example of how to call a file
directly so far (I tried with parentheses, quotes and all that in many
different permutations before giving up). Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

R. Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
CH-5232 Villigen, PSI
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch


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From: tkorvola@dopey.hut.fi (Timo Korvola)
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Hello everybody.

I noticed that ange-ftp and jka-compr don't work together in XEmacs
19.14 (they do in FSF Emacs).  E.g., if I do (require 'jka-compr) (find-file
"/ftp@ftp.funet.fi:pub/Linux/INDEX.gz") the file is retrieved via ftp
but not unzipped.
-- 
	Timo Korvola		<URL:http://www.math.hut.fi/~tkorvola/>

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Hi,

I'm behind a firewall and I'm trying to use a proxy gateway.
All of the protocols work (http, wais, gopher, ftp) but
I can't get NO_proxy to work for our "intra-net".

This what I've set in my .cshrc file.

setenv no_proxy .ti.com
setenv gopher_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
setenv wais_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
setenv ftp_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
setenv http_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
setenv security_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:81


Any ideas?

Thanks.

rich

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From: canon@laser.tunl.duke.edu (Shane Canon)
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Subject: site-init.el file
Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:20:32 GMT
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I am having some problems getting xemacs to "see"
the site-init.el file.  The version of xemacs I am
using came with a distribution of SparcWorks and
was installed in the non-standard location of

/opt/SUNWspro/XEmacs-19.13/editor

(I know that 19.14 is out).  Since, it is here, xemacs
doesn't seem to find the paths.el or the site-init.el
files.  It does however find all the other lisp code.
Any suggestions on how to fix it.  I will eventually
reinstall xemacs 19.14 in /usr/local but for know I 
would like to fix this problem.

Thanks
Shane

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Date: 31 Jul 96 17:11:14 +0200
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This is the answer I have found to the problem with the disappearance of the 
region which I posted this morning ([Q] Two simple quastions ...):

In order for a function not to cancel the region in Xemacs-19.14 (maybe
even earlier versions: I don't know), it has to be declared as
(interactive "_")
in this way the variable zmacs-region-stays is set to true during
execution.
In this case at least, the internal documentation was clear and helpful,
although the answer was not easy to find.
I wish to thank the people who sent me a hint anyway.

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
5232 Villigen
Switzerland

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From: Hubert Palme <palme@wrin27.urz.uni-wuppertal.de>
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Subject: Strange Option Setting for lp/lpr Switches
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When setting the command line switches for lp/lpr via the options
menu, the value is set as a string, e.g. '("-Pxx") is set as
"'(\"-Pps2\")". When having set that option, you can't ever set the
lpr-switches variable back to nil without editing .xemacs-options!

Is it a bug?? 
-- 
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>>>>> On 26 Jul 1996 10:58:23 -0700, Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> said:

Gail; On a related subject, is there a way to set fill-column locally for message
Gail; mode? I usually like a line length of 76, but I think this is too long for
Gail; posted news.

(add-hook 'mail-mode-hook
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For Gnus, probably a similar hook exists (Sorry, I don't use Gnus).

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From: Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@coop1.newbridge.com>
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Date: 31 Jul 1996 10:35:13 -0400
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Hi everyone,

I want to be able to do all my shell stuff from xemacs, so I don't have to
open cmdtools and xterms.  I tried the shell mode in xemacs 19.14 but I can't
even even get man pages to show correctly or use 'more' or even clear the 
screen.  Am I missing something here or does the emacs shell not support all 
the regular xterm and shell stuff?

Bidemi Temidire
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>>>>> Bruce Cohen writes:
        
  Bruce> I suppose you could design a HookFunction class, and subclass
  Bruce> it for each hook that called a different function internally
  Bruce> (to replace the lambda), but that would be a lot of work to
  Bruce> use.

One of the (few!) things I like about Java is that for a C-like
language it almost provides a satisfactory way of doing functional
abstraction.  :-)  Did Gosling Emacs have some sort of Lisp as
extension language?  Was that the same Gosling that was involved with
the development of Java?  Hmmm...

The way is to use interfaces.  Let's say you want to sort an array.
Say you have a method

	void sort(Sortable[] x) {...}

where all that you really require of the array elements is that they
provide a method lessThan() or something.  You just declare an
interface Sortable like so

	interface Sortable {
	  public boolean lessThan(Sortable y);
        }

For any class to be usable with the sort() method from above, all you
have to do is to implement the lessThan() method and to tack on an
`implements Sortable' statement to the class definition.

This is much better, of course, than using function pointers like the
qsort function in some C library does!  Its almost as good as the Lisp
way of passing a function as parameter.

I hope that this isn't all completely wrong or stupid.

... but all this is a bit off-topic, I'm afraid.  

kai
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From: "Sudarshan S. Chawathe" <chaw@cs.stanford.edu>
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I'm trying to compile xemacs 19.14 and I get the followin error
message during the final link stage (while trying to build "temacs").
I would be most grateful if someone could suggest something to try
that may fix this.

lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

Thanks,

-S

--- Log of "configure" and "make" follows ---

> ./configure i486-dec-linux --prefix=/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs
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  No window system specified.  Looking for X11.
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  Using X11.
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Configured for `i486-dec-linux'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?		  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -g -O 
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R6/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R6/lib
  Additional header files:                                 /usr/include/ncurses
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for Berkeley DB.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.


creating config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile.in
creating man/Makefile.in
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creating lwlib/Makefile.in
creating dynodump/Makefile.in
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creating src/Makefile
creating lwlib/Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile
creating dynodump/Makefile
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> 
> make
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
Producing `src/Emacs.ad.h' from `etc/Emacs.ad'.
rm -f src/Emacs.ad.h
cd lib-src; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/make-path.c -o make-path
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/wakeup.c  -o wakeup
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/profile.c  -o profile
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/make-docfile.c  -o make-docfile
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/digest-doc.c  -o digest-doc 
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/sorted-doc.c   -o sorted-doc
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c  -o movemail
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/cvtmail.c  -o cvtmail
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/fakemail.c  -o fakemail
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/yow.c  -o yow
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/emacsserver.c  -o emacsserver
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/hexl.c  -o hexl
gcc -c -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src  -g -O  -I/usr/X11R6/include    -I/usr/include/ncurses  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuslib.c
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -I/usr/X11R6/include    -I/usr/include/ncurses  -o gnuserv /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c gnuslib.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib    -lXau
gcc -c -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src  -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/getopt.c
gcc -c -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src  -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/getopt1.c
gcc -c -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DSTDC_HEADERS     -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src  -g -O  -DCONFIG_BROKETS -DINHIBIT_STRING_HEADER /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src/regex.c
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -DVERSION="\"19.14\"" -DETAGS_REGEXPS /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/etags.c getopt.o getopt1.o  regex.o  -o etags
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -DCTAGS -DVERSION="\"19.14\"" /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/etags.c getopt.o getopt1.o   -o ctags
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/emacsclient.c  -o emacsclient
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/b2m.c  -o b2m 
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -o gnuclient /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuclient.c gnuslib.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib    -lXau
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -o gnuattach -DGNUATTACH /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuclient.c gnuslib.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib    -lXau
gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -g -O  -o gnudoit /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnudoit.c gnuslib.o  -L/usr/X11R6/lib    -lXau
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
cd lwlib; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  lwlib.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  lwlib-Xlw.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  xlwmenu.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  xlwscrollbar.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  lwlib-Xaw.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  lwlib-utils.c
gcc -c  -I.   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include  	         	     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  -DNEED_LUCID    -DNEED_ATHENA  	     -DMENUBARS_LUCID  -DSCROLLBARS_LUCID  -DDIALOGS_ATHENA  	      -g -O  -DCONST_IS_LOSING  lwlib-config.c
rm -f liblw.a
ar cq liblw.a lwlib.o   lwlib-Xlw.o xlwmenu.o  xlwscrollbar.o   lwlib-Xaw.o  lwlib-utils.o        lwlib-config.o 
if [ -n ranlib ]; then 	  ranlib liblw.a; 	fi
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd dynodump; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
cd src; make all  \
	CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  pre-crt0.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  abbrev.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  alloc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  blocktype.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  buffer.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  bytecode.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  callint.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  callproc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  casefiddle.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  casetab.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  cmdloop.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  cmds.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  console.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  console-stream.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  data.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  database.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  device.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  dialog.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  dired.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  doc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  doprnt.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  dynarr.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  editfns.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  elhash.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  emacs.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  eval.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  events.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  event-stream.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  event-unixoid.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  extents.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  faces.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  fileio.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  filelock.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  filemode.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  floatfns.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  fns.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  font-lock.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  frame.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  general.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  getloadavg.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  dgif_lib.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  gif_err.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  gifalloc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  glyphs.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  gui.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  hash.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  indent.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  inline.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  insdel.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  intl.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  keymap.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  lread.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  lstream.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  macros.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  marker.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  md5.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  menubar.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  minibuf.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  objects.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  opaque.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  print.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  process.c
In file included from /usr/include/waitstatus.h:70,
                 from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:77,
                 from syswait.h:38,
                 from process.c:55:
/usr/include/endian.h:37: warning: `LITTLE_ENDIAN' redefined
/usr/include/asm/byteorder.h:10: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  profile.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  pure.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  rangetab.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  realpath.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  redisplay.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  redisplay-output.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  regex.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  scrollbar.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  search.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  signal.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  sound.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  specifier.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  strftime.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  symbols.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  syntax.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  sysdep.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  toolbar.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  console-tty.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  device-tty.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  event-tty.c
In file included from /usr/include/waitstatus.h:70,
                 from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:77,
                 from syswait.h:38,
                 from event-tty.c:36:
/usr/include/endian.h:37: warning: `LITTLE_ENDIAN' redefined
/usr/include/asm/byteorder.h:10: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  frame-tty.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  objects-tty.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  redisplay-tty.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  cm.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  undo.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  unexec.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  console-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  device-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  dialog-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  event-Xt.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  frame-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  glyphs-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  gui-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  menubar-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  objects-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  redisplay-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  scrollbar-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  toolbar-x.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  xgccache.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  xselect.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  window.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  terminfo.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  lastfile.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  gmalloc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  vm-limit.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  ralloc.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  EmacsFrame.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  EmacsShell.c
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  -DDEFINE_TOP_LEVEL_EMACS_SHELL /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/EmacsShell-sub.c
mv EmacsShell-sub.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  -DDEFINE_TRANSIENT_EMACS_SHELL /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/EmacsShell-sub.c
mv EmacsShell-sub.o TransientEmacsShell.o
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  EmacsManager.c
cd ../lwlib; make -w -- MAKE=make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
gcc -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 	   -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src     -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE  	   -I/usr/include/ncurses  -I/usr/X11R6/include    	     -I/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib    -g -O  /home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src/prefix-args.c -o prefix-args
gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/X11R6/lib
-L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt0.o  abbrev.o
alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o 	callint.o callproc.o
casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o 	cmds.o console.o
console-stream.o 	data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o
dired.o doc.o 	doprnt.o dynarr.o 	editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o
eval.o events.o 	event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o
faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o
frame.o 	general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o
glyphs.o gui.o  	hash.o 	indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o
keymap.o 	lread.o lstream.o 	macros.o marker.o md5.o
menubar.o  minibuf.o   	    	objects.o opaque.o 	print.o
process.o profile.o pure.o 	rangetab.o realpath.o  redisplay.o
redisplay-output.o regex.o 	scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o
specifier.o 	strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o
toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tt y.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  	undo.o unexec.o  	console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o    	window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw -lXpm       -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11       	    -lncurses      	-lgdbm  -ldb     `gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc  	`gcc  -print-libgcc-file-name`  
lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/chaw/db2/misc/metallica/src/xemacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: 19.14 any speed enhancments yet?
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David Mankin <mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu> writes:

> Nick Thompson <uknt@micro.lucent.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 19.14s speed behaviour is very erratic here on my Sparc5 with SunOS 4.1.4.
> > Sometimes its fine (i.e. key repeats slower than time to process key) other
> > times this situation seems to flip for no apparent reason. At this point keys
> > start to be queued, which gets very annoying.
> > 
> > Generally, more and/or bigger buffers seem to make the situation worse.
> > 
> > Has anybody found a fix for this yet, or is anybody following a good lead?
> > I've tried removing packages, not using font-lock and most of the other
> > suggestions, but none of these worked for me.
> > 
> > Do any of the maintainers have an idea about whats new since 19.13 which may
> > have caused this, or are we all still in the dark?
> 
> I have noticed the same behaviour on a Sparc10 with Solaris 2.5.
> 
> When I run top, it shows that the machine is not very loaded, but that the CPU
> is consistantly in kernel time:
> last pid:   900;  load averages:  0.30,  0.26,  0.22  
> Cpu states:  0.0% idle,  0.0% user, 93.6% kernel,  6.4% iowait,  0.0% swap
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Memory: 124M real, 17M free, 100M swap, 300M free swap
> 
> If I press an arrow key repeatedly, the cursor will usually move a couple of
> spaces, but then stop and hang for about 5 seconds.  This is the time at which
> the user time drops from 80% to 0% and the kernel time goes up from 10% to 93%.
> I don't know enough about the kernel and user time readings to know what this
> means, but maybe the XEmacs maintainers can use this to help track down the
> problem.  

I am one of the XEmacs maintainers, and I use the same platform.
This problem does not happen for me.  
Perhaps this is related to a compiler bug? How was your XEmacs built?  
Mine is built with Sun's compiler:  `cc -xO4 -xspace'.

> The slow response is so disconcerting that I've had to go back to using 19.13,
> but I miss all the new features of 19.14.  
> 
> If anyone has any temporary fixes or other ideas, please let me know!
> 
> David Mankin
> mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu

-- 
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I don't know whether this has been mentioned before, but the new html
mode (psgml-html.el) doesn't include the year in its "last-modified"
timestamps.  I assume this was an oversight, since the year is
included in the creation timestamp.  The patch below will fix it.
(Remember to byte-compile psgml-html.el after applying the patch.)

- Darrell

*** lisp/psgml/psgml-html.el.orig	Sun Apr 14 20:58:59 1996
--- lisp/psgml/psgml-html.el	Wed Jul 31 13:22:41 1996
***************
*** 640,645 ****
--- 640,646 ----
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+ 	    (substring time -4)
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Hi ,

The strange thing here is that it only doesn't work when I am using
gnuattach/gnuserv. 

I am running xemacs 19.14 on SunOS 4.1.3. In this session I am able to
select things fine and the selection is highlighted. Then I dial in
from home, use gnuattach to connect my TTY to the running xemacs
session and then I am not able to select anything on the TTY. I know
the arrow keys aren't the problem since I even tried using the control
sequences to move the cursor instead of the arrow keys.

Any ideas?

		Thanks,
		    Chuck

Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> 
> In article <6johkxmywf.fsf@b02f14.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Chuck Feltner <exufelt@exu.ericson.se> writes:
> 
> > it does show on the modeline that indeed a mark is being set. 
> Ok, sorry, I misunderstood you.
> 
> > "The region is not active now"
> Does any highlight show together with the "Mark set" message? Does it
> disappear later when you move the point? If so, check exaclt what commands
> to your arrows invoke. As a last resort, you can (setq zmacs-regions nil)
> but you won't see the region highlighted (I actually use this because I
> hate the "region is not active now" message eg after a M->).

-- 
=================================================================
Chuck Feltner                     E-mail: exufelt@exu.ericsson.se        
Ericsson, Inc.                    Memo:   eus.eusfelt
=================================================================

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-leo-linux) of Mon Jul 15 1996 on arioch

[I also just got an error after doing M-x report-emacs-bug:
"Signalling: (void-variable system-configuration-options)"]

I get the following backtrace when loading an xpm-file, and then doing
M-x xpm-mode. My XEmacs is compiled without support for toolbars.

> Backtrace said:
b> Signalling: (void-variable left-toolbar-width)
b>   (set-specifier left-toolbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 16))
b> )
b>   xpm-init()
b>   (progn (xpm-init) (make-local-variable (quote mouse-track-down-hook)) (make-local-variable (quote mouse-track-drag-hook)) (make-local-variable (quote mouse-track-up-hook)) (make-local-variable (quote mouse-track-drag-up-hook)) (make-local-variable (quote mouse-track-click-hook)) (setq mouse-track-down-hook (quote xpm-mouse-down)) (setq mouse-track-drag-hook (quote xpm-mouse-drag)) (setq mouse-track-up-hook (quote xpm-mouse-up)) (setq mouse-track-drag-up-hook (quote xpm-mouse-up)) (setq mouse-track-click-hook nil) (or (assq ... minor-mode-map-alist) (progn ... ... ... ... ... ...)))
b> )
b>   (if xpm-mode (progn (xpm-init) (make-local-variable ...) (make-local-variable ...) (make-local-variable ...) (make-local-variable ...) (make-local-variable ...) (setq mouse-track-down-hook ...) (setq mouse-track-drag-hook ...) (setq mouse-track-up-hook ...) (setq mouse-track-drag-up-hook ...) (setq mouse-track-click-hook nil) (or ... ...)))
b> )
b>   xpm-mode(nil)
b>   call-interactively(xpm-mode)
b>   command-execute(xpm-mode t)
b>   execute-extended-command(nil)
b>   call-interactively(execute-extended-command)

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>>>>> "badii" == badii  <badii@cvax.psi.ch> writes:

badii> 2) I'd like to define a key so that it finds a 
badii> certain fixed file with something like
badii> (global-set-key '(meta h) 'find-file "/usr/local/.../file.el")

You could use something like this:

(global-set-key "\M-h" '(lambda ()
		  (interactive)
		  (find-file "/usr/local/.../file.el")))

If you use \M-h then you destroy your mark-paragraph
binding so perhaps it would be better to use \C-x\M-h
or something that is unbound instead.

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Hi,

This is probably my second post to this thread. I watched it start
from my corner in comp.emacs and I can't help but post again. It will
soon be clear that I do not know enough about Java, but I like to
think that I know Emacs.

I have nothing against people doing emacs in Java. Some years ago I'd
go about telling any one who cared to listen that I could rewrite some
text processing tool they had "better in elisp". I was right, and it
amazed me that the world overlooked such a wonderful little extension
language. Hell, they should have done perl in elisp! 

I am sure all the java folk are right when they say they could do
Emacs better in java. Sure, why not? After all, you can't stop
progress and all that ;)

However, I am having a hard time quantifying what java will bring to
emacs that is so much better. A new design in java will certainly be
great, and gratifying to write. In fact I would love to try something
like that (someday.....). Beyond that I am not sure why I would even
try. 

Consider:

    "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes about a java
                based editor:

    Eugene> This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be
    Eugene> composed of normal Java objects, and be extended by normal
    Eugene> Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.

How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor that does
everything Emacs does and then some could be more than, oh, say 20%
smaller? I really doubt it. Okay, so you can bring it down 50%? You
can fit a editor, class browser, mail and news reader, web browser,
compilation environment into 4 megs of core with debug information and
make it dynamically customizable? If you can, go for it!

Also, what advantage does one get from extending an editor "with Java
objects" as opposed to "with elisp functions" (yes, "functions", not
"bytecodes" please, or I would have to say you are extending your java
editor with "java bytecode").

    Eugene> It should revolve around a "buffer" object, which would be
    Eugene> a subclass of control so you could mix it in with buttons
    Eugene> and things in any window.  A default editor environment
    Eugene> that allows a user to open multiple buffers should be
    Eugene> provided, but the tools should all be there for anyone to
    Eugene> implement their own editor environment. Emacs was
    Eugene> customizable, within limits. If we plan this right from
    Eugene> square one, we may not have as many limits.

Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see
applications that do this try W3 (the web browser), or URL
highlighting in the GNUS newsreader, or see how the Hyperbole package
embeds buttons in documents. I agree the Emacs way is not the cleanest
way to do things, but I don't think it is broken.....yet(!). 

    Eugene> This buffer object should contain methods for loading text
    Eugene> from files, strings, InputStream objects, and URLs. It
    Eugene> should have methods to move the cursor, select areas of
    Eugene> text, and so on.  Most importantly, it should try wherever
    Eugene> possible to leverage off of existing standards within the
    Eugene> java community.

Again, it sounds like (X)Emacs does this already. Everything you
describe above is already in Emacs. Not only that, it all works pretty
well. It is not implemented in terms of "classes" and "methods"
though. 

    Eugene> For instance: one common operation in a programmer's
    Eugene> editor is to run a selected area of text through a
    Eugene> filter. We could define our own filter interface, but
    Eugene> there are already perfectly good FilterInputStream and
    Eugene> FilterOutputStream objects defined in java.io. If we
    Eugene> choose to use subclasses of these objects, we will reap
    Eugene> the benifits of any subclass of these objects written by
    Eugene> anyone, whether or not they were thinking of using it in
    Eugene> an editor.  In fact, our editor should be intimately aware
    Eugene> of just about everything available in the package java.io,
    Eugene> for just this reason.

It is strange that you picked this operation. The concept you describe
is well supported in Emacs. It takes only a bit of lisp to do this. In
fact I can take a region of text, pass it a process, and replace the
region with what the process sends me. With KEYSTROKES! I will admit
that the OO features of Java help, but how much?

    Eugene> The key to java.io is input streams and output streams:
    Eugene> handle them correctly, and we can add anything to our
    Eugene> editor as easily as putting tinker-toys together. Creating
    Eugene> a buffer from an input stream should be as easy as

    Eugene>   Buffer mybuf = new Buffer(myinput);

    Eugene> saving a buffer to an output stream should be equally
    Eugene> simple:

    Eugene>   mybuf.save(myoutput);

    Eugene> Similarly, we should have ways to turn a buffer or a
    Eugene> selected region of text into an InputStream, insert text
    Eugene> into the buffer from an InputStream, and so on.

Well, about the only reason to rewrite emacs in java would be the
gratification of writing a clean, OO system. That is wonderful, but
where is the pay off in terms of functionality. Take a look at emacs
elisp software - in most cases the design is beautiful, the language
is beautiful and it is all a pleasure to work with. There is a lot of
gratification that comes from writing a clean elisp application. Try
it!

    Eugene> Another thing in java.io that bears some interest is
    Eugene> RandomAccessFile.  With methods like read(), seek(), and
    Eugene> write(), it shouldn't be too hard to see that the ability
    Eugene> to treat a buffer as a RandomAccessFile could come in
    Eugene> handy. Our subclass could add methods of our own like
    Eugene> select(), insert(), replace(), and delete(), but it's a
    Eugene> good a place to start as any for a generalized text-access
    Eugene> object: and it will have the added bonus of being
    Eugene> automatically compatable with any class written to
    Eugene> manipulate RandomAccessFiles.

Now this is one thing I wish Emacs could do - load a *part* of a file
in. That way we could edit arbitrary size files.....

    Eugene> Emacs owes it's flexibility to a library of utilities
    Eugene> contributed by a large, yet statistically miniscule group
    Eugene> of people. Imagine if we had access to libraries with the
    Eugene> full weight and enthusiasm of Java itself behind them!

You forget a very important fact: the reason that Emacs is used by a
"statistically miniscule" group of people is that to use Emacs almost
requires that you be a programmer. To use Emacs at its best also
requires that you be a pretty good programmer :( Forgive me for any
ignorance I display here, but is the same not true of java? We all
know that OO programming is very HARD (and those that don't know this
will learn one day), so why would a java based emacs be better than an
elisp based emacs?

How am I to believe that the people who will use the java based editor
the way we Emacs zealots use Emacs today will be anything other than
"statistically miniscule"? I cannot bring my self to believe that all
the young twenty somethings hacking HTML today will hack java with the
same level of enthusiasm. I think the java editor will get the same
response that emacs does today - "Huh? It's too complicated. I'll
stick with MS Word 7.0 instead".

At any rate, I hope this java based editor makes it. I would be one of
the first to try it. But it probably won't be because I believe a java
based editor would be "better" than the elisp emacs. Hell, I still
think vi is one fine editor (and I *am* serious)!

And as a note: this posting was composed and posted entirely in XEmacs
19.14 including reading the original article, citations, archiving and
all filling and spell checks.

I say - clean up the elisp engine, give it threads, make a better
compiler (and I would LOVE to see a tail recursion removal
optimization some day, though I am not sure how we'd get there).

Cheers!
Shyamal
-- 
These opinions are mine, not my employers.

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From: Randip Singh <randi@imonics.com>
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is there any thing analogous in xemacs to "shift-%" in
 vi where I can switch between open and close paren anywhere in
 the file. ( in contrast to xemacs where both have to be displayed
 in current view - no scrolling !! ) ??

 thanks
 Randi

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I like the way FSF emacs can paste in the X selection
if one is set when yanking. Is there a simple variable
I can set to get this behavior?

-Ram

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Amit J Patel wrote:
> 
> In article <joshi.838156397@sal> joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) writes:
> 
> > wing@666.com (Ben Wing) writes:
> >
> > >(BTW Xt, AWT, and the Windows GUI API all rank near the top of my list
> > >of the most bogusly designed API's I've ever worked with.  What is it
> > >about windowing toolkits that makes it so impossibly difficult for people
> > >to design them intelligently?)
> >
> > Have you looked at OS/2 API? This is supposed to be quite good.

[...]

> 
> The OS/2 API is not significantly better than the Windows, Mac, or
> Motif API.  (IMO) I haven't seen anything interesting in Java's AWT,
> either, but I haven't used it much yet.  In the OS/2 API, the
> functions are well-named, and they have some nice conventions (the
> first argument to any procedure is the "object" being manipulated, for
> example, and window decorations are individual customizable windows),
> but the overall paradigm is still "receive a message, dispatch on a
> message" instead of anything new (like MVC from Fresco/InterViews?).

[...]

I'd say the biggest wins of the OS/2 Presentation Manager API are, as noted 
above, its internal consistency, especially compared to Windows, and the fact 
that scroll bars and similar adornments are just as "real" (in terms of the 
windowing API) as "normal" windows. Too bad this was not carried over into 
Win32.

I haven't looked at it in depth, but Apple has a new SOM-based API for "Human 
Interface Objects," otherwise known as windows and friends, for Copland. See 
http://www.macos.apple.com/macos8/dev/files/HIToolbox.pdf (Acrobat format) 
for more details. When Java gets SOM binding this will be a good thing for 
MacOS developers.

Microsoft stated a while ago, when first explaining Cairo to the world, that 
it was their intention that the API would become object-oriented -- not via 
MFC (C++ classes), but with COM. Now, while newer Windows APIs like 
DirectDraw and the replacement for ODBC are indeed defined as COM interfaces, 
there hasn't been much action to take the existing "classic" Windows API 
(GDI/USER/KERNEL) into the COM realm. But now that there's a defined way to 
bind Java to COM, suddenly the matter has become more relevant and urgent. 
I'm wondering if some of the stylistic quirks of Win32 are going to be 
cleaned up as the COM-style API is revealed.

There are two consequences of this trend. First, Java benefits because even 
the "raw" API is compatible with Java's style. Indeed, it gives a boost to 
"minority" object-oriented languages because there is less of a need to 
implement an intermediate "object library" layer on top of an other API -- 
normally this takes so much work that it's done for only one language, C++. 
Second, when APIs are defined in a higher-level description model like SOM or 
COM, they become more portable, which means that, given a certain amount of 
reimplementation, API models can compete and invade platforms with which they 
are not traditionally associated.

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From: William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Proxy gateway question - "no_proxy" doesn't work
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:31:09 -0700
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Richard J. Baca wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm behind a firewall and I'm trying to use a proxy gateway.
> All of the protocols work (http, wais, gopher, ftp) but
> I can't get NO_proxy to work for our "intra-net".
> 
> This what I've set in my .cshrc file.
> 
> setenv no_proxy .ti.com
> setenv gopher_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
> setenv wais_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
> setenv ftp_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
> setenv http_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:80
> setenv security_proxy wwwgate.ti.com:81

  I cannot see anything wrong off the top of my head.  What does:

(cdr-safe (assoc "no_proxy" url-proxy-services))

  yield after you start  up Emacs-W3?  You might want to try the new
beta (w3 3.0.8) - it has a preferences editor in it.  M-x
w3-preferences-edit.

  BTW: the settings above seem to work for me.

-Bill P.

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In article <yzsafwg8f5z.fsf@exu.ericsson.se>,
Shyamal Prasad  <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> wrote:
	...
>However, I am having a hard time quantifying what java will bring to
>emacs that is so much better. A new design in java will certainly be

It's being embedded into a lot of environments.

>    Eugene> This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be
>    Eugene> composed of normal Java objects, and be extended by normal
>    Eugene> Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.
>
>How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor that does

The core buffer functionality should be fairly small.  Of course,
EVERYTHING would probably be about the same size.  But one person
doesn't necessarily use EVERYTHING.

>Also, what advantage does one get from extending an editor "with Java
>objects" as opposed to "with elisp functions" (yes, "functions", not

I can then use these classes with _other_ Java programs.  _That_ would
be neat!  (Sort of like the original Unix philosophy.)

	...
>    Eugene> implement their own editor environment. Emacs was
>    Eugene> customizable, within limits. If we plan this right from
>    Eugene> square one, we may not have as many limits.

This is exactly the point!  The idea is to implement the spirit of
Emacs in Java.  I will say this once:

	THE SPIRIT OF EMACS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LISP!

Lisp is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

	...
>Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
>tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see

And none of these are in the slightest useful to me when working in a
Java environment.

No one is saying that we should throw out the exising Unix-oriented
Emacs (and, porting aside, it is very Unix-oriented).

Rather, the proposal (which I agree with 100%), is to adapt the virus
(er, program) to a new environment.

Personally, I've gotten used to having my Emacs available on my
palmtop and use it extensively for light editing.  But my next palmtop
will probably be Java-based (or some equivalent environment), and I
want my Emacs there!

Craig

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Kai Grossjohann writes:
 > One of the (few!) things I like about Java is that for a C-like
 > language it almost provides a satisfactory way of doing functional
 > abstraction.  :-)  Did Gosling Emacs have some sort of Lisp as
 > extension language?  Was that the same Gosling that was involved with
 > the development of Java?  Hmmm...

[...]

One and the same. Interesting coincidence? I think not. :-)

		-cjw

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Shyamal Prasad writes:

[...]

 > How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor that does
 > everything Emacs does and then some could be more than, oh, say 20%
 > smaller? I really doubt it. Okay, so you can bring it down 50%? You
 > can fit a editor, class browser, mail and news reader, web browser,
 > compilation environment into 4 megs of core with debug information and
 > make it dynamically customizable? If you can, go for it!

[...]

One of the "features" the Java paradigm tries to promote is that of
"document-centricity". All you need, theoretically, is a barebones
shell (ala the java VM). Someone sends you a document with the tools
needed to use that document *attached to the document*. You view the
document, edit it, mail it, whatever, and throw away the tools. All
the code you need to work with a document is loaded over the network
on demand. That's better than loading it at runtime, even. :-)

		-cjw

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>>>>> "Hongbo" == Hongbo Qi <hqi@whiny.oce.orst.edu> writes:

Hongbo> I compiled xemacs-19.14 from scratch on a Sun Sparc20 running
Hongbo> solaris2.3.  The compilation was successful. The problem is
Hongbo> that the xemacs' toolbar does not have a 3D look (and the
Hongbo> annotations such as "open", "print", etc.  on the icons are
Hongbo> missing).

You probably compiled without the Lucid toolkit, but without knowing
what options you did compile for, it's impossible to say exactly.

It is frequently a good idea to save the output of configure that
looks something like:
Configured for `i486-unknown-linux2.0.0'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -O4
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R6/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R6/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in native sound support.
  Compiling in support for Berkeley DB.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.

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Subject: Re: ISO syntax
Date: 31 Jul 1996 21:35:37 +0100
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africk@tsssun0.tomsawyer.com (Arne K. Frick) writes:
> 
> 
> Somehow, I can't upper/lowercase ISO characters correctly.  I am using
> XEmacs19-14 and have loaded the ISO support stuff in the following order:
> 
> 
> ;; Enable ISO encoding support
> 
> (require 'iso-syntax)			; syntax rules for German umlauts
> (require 'iso-insert)
> (require 'iso-acc)			; electric mode for special characters
> (iso-accents-customize "german")	; default mode
> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'iso-accents-mode) ; assume ISO map for text mode
> 
> 
> Can anyone see what the problem may be?
> 

Add this to your .emacs file:


(add-hook 'text-mode-hook
	  (function (lambda () 
		      (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table))))


Hope it work now!  :-)

Joao

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This bug has been around for awhile -- has anyone come up with a solution?
This is in the current version of VM as comes with XEmacs 19.14.

Attempting to save a message using both mouse and keyboard interface reports a
problem in that the variable 'folder' is nil when passed to 'expand-file-name
at line 198 in vm-save.el.  This problem does not happen if you use just the
mouse interface or just the keyboard interface.  The sequence is:

1. Pick a message you want to save.
2. Click the "File" button on the toolbar which calls vm-save-message (how
   does the fset pass the non-optional folder to vm-save-message?).
3. A frame appears with a list of folders in my ~/Mail directory.
4. Click the "keyboard interface" button.
5. Frame disappears and a file name is requested via the new popup file
   requestor (this bug happened in XEmacs 19.13, so its not the requestor).
6. Enter a file name and hit return.
7. Line 198 in vm-save.el reports that expand-file-name is being passed a
   nil value.

Any ideas what the problem is?
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From: Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:16:56 +0200
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>>>>> Craig A Finseth writes:

  Craig> [...] Of course Emacs works.  Works just fine on current Unix
  Craig> systems (and a lot of others).  But how much effort is being
  Craig> put into porting it to new environments?  How long until the
  Craig> current environments change to the point where the current
  Craig> Emacs _doesn't_ work? [...]

Emacs works on MS DOS.  Emacs works on Windows NT.  This is a ten year
difference.  Therefore, it would be reasonable to predict that Emacs
will be working on the systems ten years from now.  (AFAIK, Emacs is
older than MS DOS.)

I wouldn't want to predict anything about Java in three years!

What do you think?

kai
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Subject: Re: How to get rid of backup files?
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>>>>> "Brent" == Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu> writes:

Brent> What do I need to put in my .emacs file to not make backup files?

(setq make-backup-files nil)

I do not recommend you do this, but it's your data ...
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From: spicano@ptdcs2.intel.com (Silvio Picano)
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[xemacs 19.14 & sunos 4.1.3]

I'd like to read & send mail from a secondary machine rather than
my primary machine. I do almost all my work from my primary machine, 
but it's email facilitities and routing are far from robust.

I switched to vm last week and am hoping some small setup can get
me going. I do not currently use mail filtering, but some of these 
capabilities (e.g., procmail) exist on my secondary machine.

Any help will be appreciated.
Silvio Picano

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How the hell do I get XEmacs to configure to receive mail via a POP
server and send mail via a specific machine as smoothly as Netscape
does?  I have found in the docs that there is a MAILHOST environment
variable, but not much else.

I have to be able to use XEmacs VM on machines that don't have a mail
system running.  Netscape works fine for this, but I would rather use
VM.

Any help much appreciated.

Gene McCulley    mcculley@iag.net    http://www.iag.net/~mcculley 

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Randip Singh writes:
 > is there any thing analogous in xemacs to "shift-%" in
 >  vi where I can switch between open and close paren anywhere in
 >  the file. ( in contrast to xemacs where both have to be displayed
 >  in current view - no scrolling !! ) ??
 > 
 >  thanks
 >  Randi
I uses these two functions which somebody here knocked up some time
ago. Just put goto-opposite-balanced-parne on a key and your away.

(defun goto-oposite-balanced-paren ()
  "(#@ericb) Move point to the oposite balanced parenthese found at point."
  (interactive)
  (let* ((blinkpos))
    (setq blinkpos (get-pos-of-oposite-paren))
    (if blinkpos
        (progn
          (goto-char blinkpos)
          (if (not (pos-visible-in-window-p))
              (recenter))))))

(defun get-pos-of-oposite-paren ()
  "(#@ericb) Return the position of the oposite balanced parenthese
of the one the current position is on, or nil.
Yet another free elucubration on the `blink-matching-open' function."
  (let* ((oldpos (point))
         (blinkpos)
         (mismatch))
    (save-restriction
      (if  (= (char-syntax (char-after oldpos)) ?\( )
          ; Currently an open parenthese, so search forward for a closing one
          (progn
            (if blink-matching-paren-distance
                (narrow-to-region (1- oldpos)
                                  (min (point-max)
                                       (+ oldpos  blink-matching-paren-distance)
)))
            (condition-case ()
                (setq blinkpos (1- (scan-sexps oldpos +1)))
              (error nil)))
        ; Currently a closing parenthese, so search backward for an opening one
        (if blink-matching-paren-distance
            (narrow-to-region (max (point-min)
                                   (- oldpos blink-matching-paren-distance))
                              (1+ oldpos)))
        (condition-case ()
            (setq blinkpos (scan-sexps (1+ oldpos) -1))
          (error nil))))
    (and blinkpos
         (/= (char-syntax (char-after blinkpos)) ?\$)
         (setq mismatch
               (/= (char-after oldpos)
                   (logand (lsh (aref (syntax-table) (char-after blinkpos)) -8)
                           255))))
    (if mismatch (setq blinkpos nil))
    (if (not blinkpos)
        (cond (mismatch
               (message "Mismatched parentheses"))
              (blink-matching-paren-distance
               (message "Unmatched parenthesis"))
              ((not blink-matching-paren-distance)   
               (message "Unmatched parenthesis in %d caracters" blink-matching-p
aren-distance))))
    blinkpos))
 
 
Ian

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From: Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com>
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Subject: Re: ange-ftp + jka-compr bug
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Try (require 'crypt) instead of jka-comp.  Works fairly well.

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From: johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam)
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i am experiencing a problem with xemacs which manifests itself on both 
versions 19.13 and 19.14.  it has to do with using xemacs from another 
machine to display on a local xterminal.  since the xterminal is an 
emulation running under dos/windows it tends to blow out quite often due 
to the crappy os mr gates has foisted upon me.  anyhow, the xemacs does 
not die when the xhost gives up the ghost.  instead it hangs around like 
some kind of vampire - an undead process which sucks the life blood out 
of the machine by trying to use all its cycles.

the machine running xemacs is a sun running sunos (don't know the exact 
version but it for sure isn't solaris).  oh the window manager is olvm.  
and xwindows is the hummingbird system on the pc.  it also happens when 
the displayer is another sun running xnews and also on itself if you have 
xemacs going and xnews happens to crap out.

can this behavior be prevented somehow?  is it a bug or a feature of 
xemacs?  can i fix my .emacs file or do i need a recompile?  must i 
resort to a shell wrapper that traps SIG_CHILD (or whatever signal 
it is) and kills (-9 of course) xemacs?  should i make a cronjob to check 
for and if needed kill off dead xemacsen every few minutes or so?

--
johan kullstam
kullstam@cqt.com

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From: Bo Johansson <bo.johansson@mbox2.swipnet.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: matching paren in xemacs
Date: 1 Aug 1996 03:20:47 +0200
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>>>>> "RS" == Randip Singh <randi@imonics.com> writes:

RS> is there any thing analogous in xemacs to "shift-%" in
RS>  vi where I can switch between open and close paren anywhere in
RS>  the file. ( in contrast to xemacs where both have to be displayed
RS>  in current view - no scrolling !! ) ??

I have been using this for a while and it works
just fine, I cut it out of c-hacks.el (author
Mike Haertel).

(defun matching-parenthesis ()
  "Move point to the matching parenthesis."
  (interactive)
  (let ((c (char-after (point))))
    (if (not (or (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char "("))
       (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char ")"))))
   (backward-up-list 1))
    (setq c (char-after (point)))
    (if (or (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char "("))
       (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char ")")))
   (progn
     (if (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char "("))
         (progn
      (forward-sexp)
      (backward-char)))
     (if (= (char-syntax c) (string-to-char ")"))
         (progn
      (forward-char)
      (backward-sexp)))))))

(global-set-key "\C-x%" 'matching-parenthesis)


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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: matching paren in xemacs
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:29:01 -0700
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Randip Singh wrote:
> 
> is there any thing analogous in xemacs to "shift-%" in
>  vi where I can switch between open and close paren anywhere in
>  the file. ( in contrast to xemacs where both have to be displayed
>  in current view - no scrolling !! ) ??
> 
>  thanks
>  Randi

Hmm, what do you mean by 'no scrolling'? forward-list works for me and
scrolls to the matching paren. The same with the other motion commands.
Compare 'List Motion' in the 'Lispref' section of the Info.

HTH,
Thomas
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Giessen
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Subject: Re: How to get rid of backup files?
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> Brent> What do I need to put in my .emacs file to not make backup files?

Maybe you should think about something like backup.el (not sure where
you can find this) that saves all backup-files in on place. Works just 
like auto-save.el.

If you don't find it I could mail my own backup.el to you...

HTH,
Thomas
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From: Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no>
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Subject: Re: ISO syntax
Date: 01 Aug 1996 12:39:51 +0200
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>>>>> africk@tsssun0.tomsawyer.com (Arne K. Frick):

> Somehow, I can't upper/lowercase ISO characters correctly.  I am using
> XEmacs19-14 and have loaded the ISO support stuff in the following order:

> ;; Enable ISO encoding support

> (require 'iso-syntax)			; syntax rules for German umlauts
> (require 'iso-insert)
> (require 'iso-acc)			; electric mode for special characters
> (iso-accents-customize "german")	; default mode
> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'iso-accents-mode) ; assume ISO map for text mode

I have the following two in 19.31

(standard-display-european t)
(require 'iso-syntax)

and iso-syntax here make upper/lowercase work correctly.

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First time, I try to load html files, I get:
"Stack Overflow in regexp matcher"
and the file is NOT loaded.
Second time is OK although the syntax highlighting is
somewhat reduced.

How can I increase the stack ?

                        Thank's
                           D. Perret-Gallix

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From: Thomas Sicheritz <thomas@evolution.bmc.uu.se>
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hej,

Has anyone compiled nc.el for XEmacs ?
When I tried, I got the following errors:

Signalling: (void-function make-overlay)
  (make-overlay 0 0)
  )
    (defvar nc-cursor-overlay (make-overlay 0 0))
    )
      eval-buffer(#<buffer "nc.el"> nil)
        #<compiled-function (from "simple.elc") (&optional printflag) "...(5)" [eval-buffer printflag] 3 640489 nil>()
	  call-interactively(eval-current-buffer)
	  

thx
-thomas

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>>>>> fin@subzero.winternet.com (Craig A. Finseth):

> 	THE SPIRIT OF EMACS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LISP!

> Lisp is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

But there's quite a few lines of emacs lisp code out there, with
functionality that you'd want.


- Steinar

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I noticed quite a few people here hot about reimplementation of Emacs
in Java bemoan that Emacs has no clean interfaces, no good
encapsulation, and so on.

This takes me back to the best way to write a program: first write it
and work on it until it has all the basic functionality you need.

Then scrap it.

The second attempt will be lots cleaner.

I do not really see why a Java reimplementation of Emacs would be any
better than a Lisp reimplementation (even perhaps using a few more OO
based constructs of newer Lisp dialects).

The only problem is that Emacs is far too large for an all-around
reimplementation by now. But the same problem would arise with a
reimplementation in Java.
-- 
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Hello,

is there an xemacs-mode to put images into a text buffer, something like
a "hyperglyph" with image frames (like in comercial wysiwyg programs)?

Peter.

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Hi,
When I start XEmacs (19.13, HP 735, HPUX 9.05) in terminal mode (xemacs -nw)
the backspace key stops acting as backspace, and start sending C-h signals.
How can I convince XEmacs that this is the backspace key?
-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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>>>>> "Anders" =3D=3D Anders Stenman <stenman@ludde.isy.liu.se> writes:

 Anders> I often get problems when displaying inlined jpeg-pictures in
 Anders> Gnus and VM (I'm using the tm package for that).

 Anders> I get the message

 Anders>  Corrupt JPEG data: 182 extraneous bytes before marker 0x03
 Anders>  in the console,

I get the same message most of the time when displaying inlined jpeg's
with gnus/tm and also when I display jpegs "by hand" using the
following elisp code

(make-annotation (set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image
   "foo.jpg") nil 'text)

the images look ok and no other jpeg decoding utility I have complains
about corrupt data. 

 Anders>  and the error message
 Anders>  JPEG decoding error: "Unsupported marker type 0x03", [jpeg
 Anders> :data "=FF=D8=FF=E0=00=10JFIF=00=01=02
 Anders> in the minibuffer.

There also seems to be a problem with tm, because I have encountered
this with tm preview buffers only. I have decoded those "corrupted"
inline images with mozilla, and voil=E1 XEmacs can display them.

 Anders> Furthermore, I also get messages like
 Anders>  xemacs: X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to
 Anders> access private resource denied) Major opcode of failed
 Anders> request: 88 (X_FreeColors) Serial number of failed request:
 Anders> 62152 Current serial number in output stream: 62154

If XEmacs encounters the "unsupported marker type 0x03" it becomes a
bit confused concerning the allocated colors, that is I think it tries
to free colorcells that it hasn't allocated yet. It tends to drop core
on me on these occasions.

 Anders> in the console, and the colormap get screwed up after a
 Anders> while.

Management of colormap entries is a bit tricky, they are freed when a
glyph is destroyed during garbage collection (at least most of the
time). Wouldn't it be better to give glyphs their own colormaps and
squeeze it into the system colormap upon insertion into a buffer? 

To add to the confusion: is PNG support supposed to work? When I
select a web page with PNG images with w3 (PNG support allegedly
compile in) I get warnings like

(error/warning) Error in process sentinel: (wrong-type-argument glyphp
                                              [nil :data =89PNG=0D

and no graphics. On the other hand, if I use 'set-glyph-property' to
display a local PNG image the glyph always contains only the
filename and yes, (featurep 'png) is t. I use libgr-2.0.9 on
linux-1.2.13-elf.

Holger

-- 
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From: Holger Bauer <bauer@itsma6.itsm.uni-stuttgart.de>
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Hi, 

I used to work with double.el on FSF Emacs-19.31, mainly using it with
LaTeX-files.

For several reasons I switched to XEmacs-19.14, but double.el is NOT
working there since the function
(read-event) is NOT DEFINED.

What's a similar function in xemacs?

I would appreciate ANY help.


Here is some part of double.el:

------------------- cut -----------------------------
[staff deleted]

;;; Read Event

(defvar double-last-event nil)
;; The last key that generated a double key event.

(defun double-read-event (prompt)
  ;; Read an event
  (if isearch-mode (isearch-update))
  (if prompt
      (prog2 (message "%s%c" prompt double-last-event)
	  (read-event)
	(message ""))
    (read-event)))

[staff deleted]
------------------------------------------------------


Cheers,

	Holger

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Put this line in your .vm or .emacs file:

;; here's the magic for POP
;; the string should be in the format "popserver:port:authtype:username:password"
;; Placing a * in the password field causes vm to prompt you for one
(setq vm-spool-files (list "pop.server.here:110:pass:username:*"))

VOILA! Pop through vm


Gene McCulley writes:
 > 
 > How the *#$% do I get XEmacs to configure to receive mail via a POP
 > server and send mail via a specific machine as smoothly as Netscape
 > does?  I have found in the docs that there is a MAILHOST environment
 > variable, but not much else.
 > 
 > I have to be able to use XEmacs VM on machines that don't have a mail
 > system running.  Netscape works fine for this, but I would rather use
 > VM.
 > 
 > Any help much appreciated.
 > 
 > Gene McCulley    mcculley@iag.net    http://www.iag.net/~mcculley 

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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
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I use this:

(global-set-key "%"             'match-paren)

(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
  (interactive "p")
  (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
	((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
	((looking-at "[a-zA-Z]") (up-list 1) (backward-list 1))
	(t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))

-- 
    --- John.

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[Sorry if this is a duplicate...]

In Xmacs 19.13 (Viper 2.81) hitting the ESC key correctly changes my buffer
from viper insert mode to viper command mode.  In Xemacs 19.14 (Viper 2.90)
the ESC key seems to be ignored by viper - the mode does not change and,
after a brief delay, the ESC key appears in the minibuffer.

In the 19.14 release information it states that handling of ESC was changed
in order to gain compatibility with GNU Emacs.  It is not clear (to me
anyway) whether this problem is due to this change or to the viper upgrade.

Any other viper users out there who know how to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance,

Patric McElroy
patric.mcelroy@template.com
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A lot of people have been discussing the reimplementation of Emacs in Java
(myself included).  It occurs to me, though, that we may be looking at this
from the wrong end...

Emacs began life as a "simple" line editor (TECO if memory serves) that was
then extended to do visual editing and then, via macros (Editor MACroS), to do
other interesting things (Info, Calendar, Rmail, Gnews, etc.).  When the OSes
that Emacs was working on went away (Tenex/Twenex) went away, Emacs rose from
the ashes rewritten for UNIX with a Lisp extension language.

However, perhaps due to its history, it was still an editor with an extension
language!  The language (Lisp) was extremely powerful, but the editor part
gave the "extensions" an environment in which to play in.  When developing
something with Emacs Lisp, the purpose was usual fixed in the notion of
providing some extension to the editing environment of Emacs.

Now that WWW has made it into the "big time", browsers for navigating around
the World Wide Web are all the rage.  Through Java (et.al.), these browsers
are beginning to experiment with the "extensions" idea that Emacs has been
doing for ~20 years.  Perhaps the question, then, should be whether these
browsers provide a similar type of environment for Java extensions as the
Emacs editing environment did for Lisp.  If so, then perhaps an editor
"extension" in Java could be developed for the browsers rather than build a
total new editing environment in Java that will then be extended via Java.

In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
that Emacs allows via Lisp?

>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
>>>>> writes:

> I do not really see why a Java reimplementation of Emacs would be any
> better than a Lisp reimplementation (even perhaps using a few more OO
> based constructs of newer Lisp dialects).

If you start with the same requirements as Emacs, then perhaps a Java
reimplementation wouldn't buy you much.  

> The only problem is that Emacs is far too large for an all-around
> reimplementation by now. But the same problem would arise with a
> reimplementation in Java.

That's why it may be more appropriate to look for a "large" environment
available now that could be "extended" with Java as completely as the Emacs
editing environment could be with Lisp.

Hmmmm.  Could this be the HotJava concept?
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Chris McMahan writes:
 > 
 > Put this line in your .vm or .emacs file:
 > 
 > ;; here's the magic for POP

Is there anyone working on providing IMAP support in vm?

Take care,
Pax.

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>>>>> "Steinar" == Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:

>>>>> fin@subzero.winternet.com (Craig A. Finseth):
>> THE SPIRIT OF EMACS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LISP!

Agreed, but the reverse is also true...

>> Lisp is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Also agreed, but, then again, so Emacs in its relationship to Lisp.

> But there's quite a few lines of emacs lisp code out there, with
> functionality that you'd want.

Rewrite them.  They always come out better the second time around...

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Looking in the lispref info page form xemacs 19.14, I see
that read-event is used in sample lisp (node Translating Input), yet
it seems to be undefined. I will now use (event-key (next-event)).

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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:
> 
> David Mankin <mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu> writes:
> 
> > Nick Thompson <uknt@micro.lucent.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 19.14s speed behaviour is very erratic here on my Sparc5 with SunOS 4.1.4.
> > > Sometimes its fine (i.e. key repeats slower than time to process key) other
> > > times this situation seems to flip for no apparent reason. At this point keys
> > > start to be queued, which gets very annoying.
> > > 
> > > Generally, more and/or bigger buffers seem to make the situation worse.
> > > 
> > > Has anybody found a fix for this yet, or is anybody following a good lead?
> > > I've tried removing packages, not using font-lock and most of the other
> > > suggestions, but none of these worked for me.
> > > 
> > > Do any of the maintainers have an idea about whats new since 19.13 which may
> > > have caused this, or are we all still in the dark?
> > 
> > I have noticed the same behaviour on a Sparc10 with Solaris 2.5.
> > 
> > When I run top, it shows that the machine is not very loaded, but that the CPU
> > is consistantly in kernel time:
> > last pid:   900;  load averages:  0.30,  0.26,  0.22  
> > Cpu states:  0.0% idle,  0.0% user, 93.6% kernel,  6.4% iowait,  0.0% swap
> >                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Memory: 124M real, 17M free, 100M swap, 300M free swap
> > 
> > If I press an arrow key repeatedly, the cursor will usually move a couple of
> > spaces, but then stop and hang for about 5 seconds.  This is the time at which
> > the user time drops from 80% to 0% and the kernel time goes up from 10% to 93%.
> > I don't know enough about the kernel and user time readings to know what this
> > means, but maybe the XEmacs maintainers can use this to help track down the
> > problem.  
> 
> I am one of the XEmacs maintainers, and I use the same platform.
> This problem does not happen for me.  
> Perhaps this is related to a compiler bug? How was your XEmacs built?  
> Mine is built with Sun's compiler:  `cc -xO4 -xspace'.

I see this also. I am using the binary version for Solaris 2.4

My situation is slightly different. I use viper so most of my buffers are in vi
mode and I don't see a slowdown there. I do see it in the minibuffer when typing
in a new file name and hit tab or space for completion.

When I first startup xemacs, there is no noticible delay. By the end of the day,
there is a multi-second delay.

During this delay, my perfmeter shows the cpu usage maxing out.

Any suggestions for finding this anomaly?

> 
> > The slow response is so disconcerting that I've had to go back to using 19.13,
> > but I miss all the new features of 19.14.  
> > 
> > If anyone has any temporary fixes or other ideas, please let me know!
> > 
> > David Mankin
> > mankin@mathcs.rhodes.edu
> 
> -- 
> Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
> XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
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Hi,
   I am a new user to xemacs. I have been fruitlessly trying to change
the tab stops on my windows. The command i am using is 

M-x edit-tab-stops and then adding the : character at the very topmost
line at the locations where i want the tab stops to appear. I am then
doing C-c C-c to install it and i get the message that 'tab stops 
installed' at teh command line. However when i start editing on 
my buffers again, the tab stops are the old ones. 

Any pointers as to what I am missing out on will be greatly appreciated.

TIA. Please reply to animesh@eng.sun.com.


cheers,
animesh

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Hi,
   I am a new user to xemacs. I have been fruitlessly trying to change
the tab stops on my windows. The command i am using is 

M-x edit-tab-stops and then adding the : character at the very topmost
line at the locations where i want the tab stops to appear. I am then
doing C-c C-c to install it and i get the message that 'tab stops 
installed' at teh command line. However when i start editing on 
my buffers again, the tab stops are the old ones. 

Any pointers as to what I am missing out on will be greatly appreciated.

TIA. Please reply to animesh@eng.sun.com.


cheers,
animesh

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Try selecting the Options menu, then Edit-Faces to change colors.
When done use Save Options.


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	Brent Modzelewski
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Chris Woods wrote:
> 
> Kai Grossjohann writes:
>  > One of the (few!) things I like about Java is that for a C-like
>  > language it almost provides a satisfactory way of doing functional
>  > abstraction.  :-)  Did Gosling Emacs have some sort of Lisp as
>  > extension language?  Was that the same Gosling that was involved with
>  > the development of Java?  Hmmm...
> 
> [...]
> 
> One and the same. Interesting coincidence? I think not. :-)

Feh!  I hacked in MockLisp (the Gosling Emacs extension language) for
years, and let me tell you, it was *nothing* to be proud of.  It was
without doubt the most pathetic dialect of lisp that I've ever used.  

(But it did have the interesting properties of being an interpreted
extension language embedded in an editor (not a new idea at the time,
but a good one.))

MockLisp and Java (thankfully) have almost nothing to do with each
other.  

(MockLisp and Perl, however...)

	== Jamie

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In article <32011935.234E@Eng.Sun.COM> Animesh Chatterjee <animesh@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:

> M-x edit-tab-stops and then adding the : character... However when i
> start editing on my buffers again, the tab stops are the old ones.

Your TAB key must be bound to tab-to-tab-stop, not the default
indent-for-tab-command. Since however many modes install local bindings for
the TAB key (generally, it indents the current line according to the mode),
you may want to bind s-TAB to tab-to-tab-stop instead.
  (global-set-key '(shift tab) 'tab-to-tab-stop)
Also note that any tabs (ascii 9) in the buffer are not displayed according
to tab-stop-list (that you edit with edit-tab-stops). They are expanded
according to tab-width instead. In fact I think that TAB chars in a file
are only trouble, so I (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil). You can C-h f
the functions and C-h v the variables I mention above for more info.

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "jmiller" == jmiller  <jmiller@bayserve.net> writes:
> 
> jmiller>    I've tried getting Mailcrypt/Vm working together the last
> jmiller>  couple days.  I can successly encrypt and send an email, but
> jmiller>  if I try to decrypt, I get the following error. (I added the
> jmiller>  wrapping)
>  ...
> jmiller> I think I've seen elsewhere that byte-compiled macros caused
> jmiller> problems but I can't remember where or what the fix was.
> 
> jmiller> If this has been addressed before, I apoligize  but I didn't 
> jmiller> see anything in the FAQ.
> 
> Rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs, they are out of date in the
> distributed release.
> 

That fixed it! Thanks.  

Jeff

btw, I originally tried posting this response to comp.emacs.xemacs.  Did
anyone see it?  I'm seriously doubting whether posted articles leave my
ISP. 

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I've seen problems like this on HPUX 10.0 using the pre-built binaries. 
It seems to be much worse if you have two or more frames open.


Darron Shaffer
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Hi,

The pretty print with faces is GREAT for code. is it possible to also print
with line numbers?? ie pretty-print-with-faces-and-linenumbers!!??

Thanks
-- freddy
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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jhaugen@simtech.com writes:

> > I am one of the XEmacs maintainers, and I use the same platform.
> > This problem does not happen for me.  
> > Perhaps this is related to a compiler bug? How was your XEmacs built?  
> > Mine is built with Sun's compiler:  `cc -xO4 -xspace'.
> 
> I see this also. I am using the binary version for Solaris 2.4
> 
> My situation is slightly different. I use viper so most of my buffers are in vi
> mode and I don't see a slowdown there. I do see it in the minibuffer when typing
> in a new file name and hit tab or space for completion.
> 
> When I first startup xemacs, there is no noticible delay. By the end of the day,
> there is a multi-second delay.
> 
> During this delay, my perfmeter shows the cpu usage maxing out.
> 
> Any suggestions for finding this anomaly?

Try running XEmacs under truss.  If it's stuck in the kernel, truss
should let you know what it's doing.  Mail me if you get something useful.
-- 
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Hi,

The pretty print with faces is GREAT for code. is it possible to also print
with line numbers?? ie pretty-print-with-faces-and-linenumbers!!??

Thanks
-- freddy
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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

> (But it did have the interesting properties of being an interpreted
> extension language embedded in an editor (not a new idea at the time,
> but a good one.))
> 
> MockLisp and Java (thankfully) have almost nothing to do with each
> other.  

Someone earlier in this thread (I forget who) wished for a compiler
that would allow code to be easily moved back and forth across the
"interpreter boundary."  In the case of Emacs, code in elisp could be
moved to C when it was sufficiently gelled.  Code in C could be moved
to elisp (I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the original article
anymore).

Over the years I have come to wish for very much this same thing, not
only for Emacs, but for all my programming.  When banging out some
quick prototype code, an interpreter with features such as dynamic
typing, no declarations, eval, etc., is most convenient.  As the
project grows, the features of a compiler with strong static typing,
declarations, etc., become desirable.

Extension languages have traditionally been interpreted.  This is
partly due to the impracticality (until recently) of dynamically
loading object code to a running program.  More importantly, the
language features typically found in interpreters are desirable in an
extension language.

To me, the dream programming system would let me write in one language
and move a piece of code between compiler and interpreter with minimal
trouble.

HERE IS THE PUNCH LINE:  How about JavaScript as an extension language?

Yes, I am well aware that Java != JavaScript.  But I can envision a
tool that takes my JavaScript programs and tells me what I need to do
to convert them to Java.

JavaScript is a nice language for prototyping (or would be if it
weren't trapped inside Navigator :-).  Think about it.  The object
model of JS is very user friendly.  If I want an object to have a
member, I just pretend it already does and assign something to it.
Now, when I want to move that code to Java, I would use a tool that
scans through and gathers up all the members I have tacked onto all my
objects.  It then suggests some class definitions that would fill the
bill.  The implementation of this tool would look much like the JS
interpreter itself, I imagine.

Presently I don't thing that Java and JavaScript are quite close
enough to be used this way.  But both are young and are already
growing toward each other.  Both can dynamically load code into
running programs.  With LiveConnect they can talk to each other.  It
shouldn't take much modification of either language to permit the
creation of tools that would move code from one language to the other.


Steve

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From: celestra@ix.netcom.com (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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Subject: Xemacs works in the console, but not in X
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Hi,

I just built and installed Xemacs 19.14 under Linux, and it works beautifully 
in the console!  I never realized that Xemacs doesn't require X.

However, strange as it may seem, Xemacs doesn't work at all under X!  Whenever 
I run the Xemacs binary in an xterm session, the cursor just sits right there 
and does nothing.  My hard drive doesn't get very active, either.  The only 
response I get from Xemacs is when I hit C-c, where it just echoes "Quit" and 
leaves me back into my shell prompt.  I haven't seen this problem mentioned in 
the errata sheet, either.  Does anybody know what I might be doing wrong?

My system details are:

* Linux kernel version 2.0.10
* Semi-customized Red Hat Linux 3.0.3, with all current fixes applied
* Xemacs built with GCC 2.7.2 (ELF) and libc 5.2.18
* XFree86 version is 3.1.2, with the server itself being the 3.1.2E for S3 
chipsets
* Configuration done with: "CFLAGS=-O2 ./configure i586-celestra-linux"
* I _think_ is put -fno-strength-reduce in my GCC specs file
* Xemacs built as a normal user and installed as root in /usr/local

Did I overlook anything important?

Thanks for your help.

--Arthur


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From: fred@sugix.frmug.fr.net (Frederic Lepied)
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Subject: Re: Resolving CVS conflicts
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>>>>> "WR" == Wiker, Raymond <etorwi@eto.ericsson.se> writes:

    WR> 	Is there a function/mode for resolving conflicts in a
    WR> CVS-controlled file? We're using a combination of pcl-cvs and ediff,
    WR> which works well enough most of the time. However, when there is a cvs
    WR> conflict during an "update", the merged file cannot be used with ediff
    WR> - because it already contains stuff from the repository file. I have
    WR> an idea that this can be solved by extracting two versions of the file
    WR> from the merged file and running ediff on these two files, storing the
    WR> evntual result back into the file that used to contain the merged
    WR> version.

    WR> 	This functionality may of course already exist; if so, where?
    WR> Alternatively, is this sufficiently useful that it should be added to
    WR> ediff or pcl-cvs (or even vc)?

For this   purpose you can  look at  my package  cvs.el which has this
goal. It works on a file by file basis and is integrated with ediff.

The  latest version is  1.13. If you cannot find  it on LCD send me an
email.

Fred

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Rebinding Num_Lock in XEmacs 19.14
Date: 01 Aug 1996 22:00:18 -0700
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marko@lexis-nexis.com (Mark Osbourne) writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.3) of Sat Jul  6 1996 on pepperoni
> 
> One of the users at our site has experienced a problem with the XEmacs
> 19.14 that did not exist in 19.13.
> 
> The problem is that XEmacs does not seem to respect his rebinding of
> the Num_Lock key.
> 
> In his X startup scripts he executes a line like:
> 
> 	xmodmap -e "keycode 105 = F24 Num_Lock"
> 
> Which changes keycode 105 (the Num_Lock key on our Sun keyboards) to
> be F24 unshifted and Num_Lock (if shifted).  In XEmacs 19.13, this
> works just fine, allowing the Num_Lock key to be used as part of a
> TPU/EDT keypad.  Unfortunately under XEmacs 19.14, this no longer
> works (it just turns num lock on and off as if the xmodmap had never
> been done).

I just tried 19.11 and 19.14 and they act in the same (broken?) way.

My recommendation is to let the Num_Lock key be, unless you're trying
to provoke bizarre bugs.  It's magic - for example, if you do:

xmodmap -e "keycode 105 = F24 F24 F24 F24"

the led still turns on and off, and f24 happens only on every other keystroke.

-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
Voice: 415-786-5895  Fax: 415-786-9552
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On 26 Jul 1996 11:31:08 GMT, Uwe Daub <daub@cs.uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote:

>I got the same problem, when I installed AucTeX (9.4g) with the new 
>XEmacs (19.14). I do not know what the problem is, but to get around it
>I did the byte-compilation in an running XEmacs. That works!

What exactly was the command line you used?.  

I asked this question several weeks ago and basically got the answer
that's tucked away in the FAQ.  But I've tried that and have gotten 
nowhere.  I've spent too many hours butting my head against this thing 
and am ready to give up.  I have gotten it to work with GNU Emacs and 
from the FAQ is seems that changing 

- BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -q lpath.el -f eval-current-buffer
+ BATCH=$(EMACS) -batch -l lpath.el 

should work (as well as changing emacs -> xemacs everywhere, of course).
  
Perhaps someone still has their Makefile from a successful compile?

Thanks,
Dave Cook


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I am running Xvision-5.1 on my PC. With Xvision I can connect from my PC to a
UNIX machine and run X-application displaying on my PC-display.
When I use xemacs and want to select a region it does not select the region.

When I push mouse-button-1 down and drag I can see the highlighted region. When
I release mouse-button-1 the highlighting disappears and I can't paste the
region in the emacs buffer or in any other window. Also Meta-Space does not
work.

Strange this is, however, when I click 3 times mouse-button-1 xemacs selects a
sentence as region. Now I can use mouse-button-1 to click and drag to select a
region. When I release mouse-button-1 the highlighting stays and I can copy and
paste it in any window I want. When I try to select a region again it fails
again.

Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong ?

Regards,
Peter van der Wekken
Customer Support Engineer
Shell Rijswijk
The Netherlands
e-mail: p.c.vanderwekken@siep.shell.com

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David Masterson wrote:
> 
> Emacs began life as a "simple" line editor (TECO if memory serves) that was
> then extended to do visual editing and then, via macros (Editor MACroS)....

Damn. it's good to see someone remembers TECO and where EMACS came from.
There was a Great little MSDOS editor named Pmate that acted like TECO.

-- 
Jim Fuller

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From: Roy Einar Dragseth <royd@zapffe.mat-stat.uit.no>
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How about any memory enhancements? I'm beginning to have a problem
defending to use a editor that consumes 6-7Mb of RAM on startup
(10-12Mb after using gnus), especially the vi/xrn folks here gives me
a hard time :-)

I wish there could be a feature that allowed me to tell xemacs that I
wouldn't be needing gnus any more this day so it could unload it. Are
there such a beast? Have I missed it? (I like how the fvwm window
manager works, it has loadable modules with wich it communicates
making it a very extensible WM. This might be a good idea for emacs
also, but it would problably require a complete rewrite so I guess
that is out of the question.)

The CPU usage is also a problem. I'm have suspicion that the xemacs
dev team each have their own PC's (Personal Cray) that they are
running xemacs on ;->

Don't get me wrong I love xemacs and think it is fun using it, but it
has swollen out a bit lately...


Best regards to everyone,
Roy.

---
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Hello world,

I have the following problem with vm: when i'm reading a mail folder,
which is, BTW, not my incoming mailbox, XEmacs does not notice that a
new mail has arrived. 

When I press 'g', it says 'No new mail'. Then when I press 's', it
says 'File changed. Overwrite ?' or something similar. I don't want to
save the file, because it would delete the newly arrived message.

How do I make XEmacs reread the mail folder and get new mails ? VM
gurus, please respond. Or am I missing something here ?

	stefan rajec (rajec@isr.uni-stuttgart.de)

PS: XEmacs 19.14, Solaris 2.4

--
stefan rajec (rajec@isr.uni-stuttgart.de)
http://www.isr.uni-stuttgart.de/~rajec/



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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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Subject: List of differences between 19.13 and 19.14 wanted
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:31:20 +0200
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Is there anywhere on the net a list of differences between xemacs 19.13 and
19.14? The "Info" button still displays the features of xemacs 19.13.

-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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Subject: 19.13 -> 19.14: add-hook 'local-write-file-hooks does not work anymore
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:26:13 +0200
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With xemacs 19.13, I used the definitions below in my .emacs to ensure that
a C++ file does not contain any tab characters, when it is written (note that
this can NOT be done by setting indent-tabs-mode). With xemacs 19.14, this does
not work anymore. Although the buffer will still be untabified when I hit C-x C-s,
the file is NOT saved. Indeed, the message log (i.e. view-lossage in 19.14) shows
that the file is untabified, but not written.

Here are the definitions that used to work with 19.13:

  ;;; This function will untabify a buffer before saving it
  (defun file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces()
   "turn tabs into spaces before saving"
     (message "Converting tabs to spaces...")
     (untabify (point-min) (point-max)))
 
  ;;; Setting this will save files without tabs, but rather use spaces
  (defvar save-with-spaces-not-tabs t
  "*If non-nil, `file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces` buffer before saving.")

  ;;; Setting hook for c++ mode and c mode
  (defun rfi-c-mode-common-hook ()
     ; irrelevant details omitted
     (if save-with-spaces-not-tabs
     (progn (add-hook 'local-write-file-hooks 'file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces)))
  )
  (add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'rfi-c-mode-common-hook)
  (setq c++-mode-hook
      (function
       (lambda ()
         (run-hooks 'c-mode-hook)
         ; irrelevant details omitted 
       )))

Note that file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces gets called in 19.13 as in 19.14, but 
in 19.14, xemacs simply does not write the file to disk. I suppose that something
in the interface of local-write-file-hooks has changed, but I can't figure out,
what it is. 

Any help highly appreciated.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de

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From: John Edwards <edwards@chaos.sde.dps.loral.com>
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Has anyone got binaries for AIX 4.2?  We've got a 43P running and the version
for AIX 4.1 locks the machine cold.

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I note that when checking in a file from XEmacs when the sccs-admin -fv
option is set on the file, that is sccs asks for an MR reference when
you check in a file, the comments buffer makes no recall to the prompt
'MRs' that would be supplied if you used the command 'sccs delget
file.name'.
	Is there a fix for this or must I check in all files via the cmnd line?

OS : Solaris 1 & 2
Machine : SPARC
XEmacs : V 19.13

Ian Bone: isbone@dra.hmg.gb

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From: Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com>
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Subject: Xemacs default printer
Date: 02 Aug 1996 08:51:44 -0400
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Hi
	How can we specify the default printer in .emacs ??
And also when we print a mail message using the print Icon
it does a regular print... When I use ps-print-buffer its not
that great... Is there a way we can print with replies in italics..
etc... as seen on the window..... ??

thanks
- Sobhan
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In article <tzybjzt2om.fsf_-_@baldy.kla.com>,
	David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:
> That's why it may be more appropriate to look for a "large" environment
> available now that could be "extended" with Java as completely as the Emacs
> editing environment could be with Lisp.
> 
> Hmmmm.  Could this be the HotJava concept?

Given that James Gosling and Gosling Emacs arn't completely unrelated,
I doubt this idea has gone unthought.

The impression I get is that Sun is pitching HotJava as a general
extensible platform on which you can build flexible network
applications.  And since the new versions of HotJava contain HTML
editors, I doubt it'll be long before it starts looking like a
full-blown editor, and the Java IDE (also written in Java) starts
becoming more merged, and...

	J

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From: Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com>
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Subject: How to modify mode-line
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 09:24:06 -0500
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I have column/line shown on the mode-lines. But I want to move the
numbers to the leftmost position. So the mode-line would appear as

---- 989/23 ----- /usr/include/stdio.h ---- ( c++ Font Fast ) ----

Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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How do I bind a double mouse click to a command?

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From: Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com>
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Subject: Is there a parenthesis-matching command?
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Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
something like the % command in VI.

Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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Subject: Re: Two pages per paper sheet with ps-print?
Date: 02 Aug 1996 17:16:29 +0200
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In article <31F77ED4.167EB0E7@ai.polymtl.ca> Frederic Labrosse
<labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

> Is it possible to print two pages on one paper sheet with
> ps-print-(buffer/region)-with-faces?

Assuming that the program `psmulti' has been installed on your system
you can use place the following in your ~/.emacs, and execute
`ps2-print':


(defun ps2-print ()
  (interactive)
  (let ((ps-lpr-command "sh")
	(ps-lpr-switches 
	 (list "-c" 
	       (concat "eval 'psmulti -pages 2 | "
		       lpr-command "'"))))
    (ps-print-buffer-with-faces)))


;; The following lines maps the faces to printer fonts.

(setq ps-print-color-p nil)
(setq ps-italic-faces '(font-lock-comment-face
 		        font-lock-string-face
		        font-lock-variable-name-face))
(setq ps-bold-faces '(font-lock-keyword-face 
		      font-lock-variable-name-face 
		      font-lock-type-face
		      font-lock-function-name-face))

	-- Anders
-- 
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|  Anders Lindgren     Computing Science Department, Uppsala University  |
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From: Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
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Subject: [Q] Point <--> Pixel Coordinates
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In XEmacs 19.14, are there any general-purpose functions for converting between
buffer positions (i.e., (point)) and window-relative pixel coordinates?  I've
found `event-closest-point' and `event-window-{x,y}-pixel', but these functions
operate on mouse events.

Point<-->pixel conversions would be useful to me in order to update
"scroll-in-place" for the brave new world of variable line heights and
character widths.

Thanks ---

Eric.

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Subject: [Q] How to Test Clipped-ness of Last Line?
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Is it possible for an Emacs Lisp program to determine if the last line of a
window is clipped?  In particular, given that `scroll-on-clipped-lines' is
true, I want to determine whether or not XEmacs will recenter if point is moved
onto the last line of a window.

Thanks for any help ---

Eric.

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Hi all

can someone please send me a bit of lisp emacs lisp code which will
return the contents of a specified file as the returned value? (like
'yow' does)

-- 
Peter Maurice-Jones               e-mail: peter.mj@amoco.com
Amoco Services Limited            Unix Systems Administrator

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Byron Harris <harrisb@mo.net> writes:

> In 19.14 I have to explicitly enter the source location when I issue a 
> 'next-error' command when compiling with HP's cfront-based C++ compiler. 
> xemacs v19.13 knew how to parse the error message so it could 
> automatically go to the offending source.

> Can I configure xemacs 19.14 to have the old behavior again?

I found that this worked for HP's normal CC.

(require 'compile)
(setq compilation-error-regexp-alist
      (cons '("[^:]+: \"\\([^,\" \n\t]+\\)\", lines? \\([0-9]+\\)[:., (-]" 1 2)
	    compilation-error-regexp-alist))

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    "Kevin" == Kevin Gallagher <kgallagh@spd.dsccc.com> writes:

    Kevin> In article <4st1fj$me6@shellx.best.com>, Ben Wing
    Kevin> <wing@666.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >> You underestimate the amount of C code in Emacs -- XEmacs has
    >> around 200,000 lines of C code, almost certainly more than all
    >> of the lines of code in all languages in the JDK, for example.

    Kevin> But the point is that most of the code to support software
    Kevin> development (and other kinds of) editing functionality is
    Kevin> written in emacs lisp.

A lot of it, it seems.  A simple count of all lines in the *.el files
in my lisp directory (XEmacs 19.14) returns 528304 lines.  I would say
that is significant.

But all this does not detract from doing a editor in java. I see no
reason not to build this new java editor, it's just that in my mind it
would not be "emacs. This new editor is even likely to be a "better"
editor in some ways...and then maybe not, but we'll never know until
we try!

Cheers!
Shyamal

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In article <vc91byvzl5.fsf@chaos.sde.dps.loral.com>,
	John Edwards <edwards@chaos.sde.dps.loral.com> writes:
>Has anyone got binaries for AIX 4.2?  We've got a 43P running and the version
>for AIX 4.1 locks the machine cold.

Umm..  Oddness. The ones I compiled under AIX 4.1.4 work just fine under 4.2.
Are you sure that it isn't Xemacs tickling some AIX bug?  How "cold" does it
lock?  Will it respond to pings from another machine? Can you telnet in?
Is it just the X server that's wedged?  Have you gotten a kernel dump and
seen where it is when it's hung?  Any other info you can add?

Xemacs 19.14, used this to build it: (used the xlc 3.1.3 compiler)...

#!/bin/ksh
make clean
./configure -with-gcc=no --cflags="-O3 -DNO_ANSI_KEYWORDS" --dynamic --with-tooltalk --with-cde --site-includes="/usr/local/include /usr/dt/include/Tt /usr/dt/include" --site-libraries=/usr/local/lib
make
make install-arch-dep prefix=/home/spd/valdis/src/xemacs-19.14/
make install-arch-indep prefix=/home/spd/valdis/src/xemacs-19.14/

(The last 2 lines for staging for a Depot install...)

Here's the relevant part of 'config' output describing what it included:

Configured for `powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /home/spd/valdis/src/x
emacs-19.14/src
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/aix4-1.h' and `m/ibmrs6000.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              cc -O -DNO_ANSI_KEYWOR
DS
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Additional header files:                                /usr/local/include /us
r/dt/include/Tt /usr/dt/include
  Additional libraries:                                   /usr/local/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Compiling in support for ToolTalk.
  Compiling in support for CDE.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Motif dialog boxes.

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>>>>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@softway.com.au> writes:

> In article <tzybjzt2om.fsf_-_@baldy.kla.com>,
> 	David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

>> Hmmmm.  Could this be the HotJava concept?

> The impression I get is that Sun is pitching HotJava as a general extensible
> platform on which you can build flexible network applications.  And since
> the new versions of HotJava contain HTML editors, I doubt it'll be long
> before it starts looking like a full-blown editor, and the Java IDE (also
> written in Java) starts becoming more merged, and...

Now if we could only set HotJava "free" ...?
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Subject: Re: 19.13 -> 19.14: add-hook 'local-write-file-hooks does not work anymore
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Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> writes:

> 
> With xemacs 19.13, I used the definitions below in my .emacs to ensure that
> a C++ file does not contain any tab characters, when it is written (note that
> this can NOT be done by setting indent-tabs-mode). With xemacs 19.14, this does
> not work anymore. Although the buffer will still be untabified when I hit C-x C-s,
> the file is NOT saved. Indeed, the message log (i.e. view-lossage in 19.14) shows
> that the file is untabified, but not written.
> 

[deletia]

> Note that file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces gets called in 19.13 as in 19.14, but 
> in 19.14, xemacs simply does not write the file to disk. I suppose that something
> in the interface of local-write-file-hooks has changed, but I can't figure out,
> what it is. 
> 
> Any help highly appreciated.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
> ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de

This broke in Ada mode as well, the solution to which was posted by
Eric L. Schott some time ago (Posting included below). 
Hope this helps.

Scott.

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From: els@mips.arl.psu.edu (Eric L. Schott)
Subject: Expanded Ada Mode Doesn't Correctly Save Files
Date: 25 Jun 1996 09:51:38 -0400

After installing Xemacs 19.14, the expanded Ada mode did not correctly
save files.  The package added a hook to local-write-file-hooks.  This
hook failed to return nil to indicate the buffer was not written.  I
modified the ada-untabify-buffer procedure to return nil.

(defun ada-untabify-buffer ()
;; change all tabs to spaces
  (save-excursion
    (untabify (point-min) (point-max)))
  nil)

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>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> writes:

Ronald> With xemacs 19.13, I used the definitions below in my .emacs
Ronald> to ensure that a C++ file does not contain any tab characters,
Ronald> when it is written (note that this can NOT be done by setting
Ronald> indent-tabs-mode). With xemacs 19.14, this does not work
Ronald> anymore. Although the buffer will still be untabified when I
Ronald> hit C-x C-s, the file is NOT saved. Indeed, the message log
Ronald> (i.e. view-lossage in 19.14) shows that the file is
Ronald> untabified, but not written.
 ...
Ronald> ... I suppose that something in the interface of
Ronald> local-write-file-hooks has changed, but I can't figure out,
Ronald> what it is.

Perhaps the secret is here in prim/files.el (basic-save-buffer)

            ;; Run the write-file-hooks until one returns non-null.
            ;; Bind after-save-hook to nil while running the
            ;; write-file-hooks so that if this function is called
            ;; recursively (from inside a write-file-hook) the
            ;; after-hooks will only get run once (from the
            ;; outermost call).

Try making your untabify hook return `nil':

  ;;; This function will untabify a buffer before saving it
  (defun file-untabify-make-tabs-spaces()
   "turn tabs into spaces before saving"
     (message "Converting tabs to spaces...")
     (untabify (point-min) (point-max))
     nil)

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I would like some default stuff to come when I create new files.
So I put this  oce in my .emacs of Xemacs 19.14:

(setq auto-insert-directory "/us/fsi/sw/src/emacs/autoinsert/")
(setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.autoinsert")
                          ("\\.h$" . "h.autoinsert")
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                          ("\\.pl$" . "pl.autoinsert")
                          ("[Mm]akefile" . "Makefile.autoinsert")))
(load "autoinsert")       ; For creating new files

It works fine with 19.14 but not with 19.13. Help please....

- Sobhan

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Is there a way to remove buffering of keystrokes in xemacs?

Thanks
- Sobhan
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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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I found a small mistake in the Gnus menu bar. In the Summary buffer,
Misc->Mark->Read->Mark_same_subject indicates that M K is key
equivalent. This is wrong. The actual key equivalent is C-k.

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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I don't understand it. Now matter how I try to run print-buffer
(pressing the Print button, selecting File->Print Buffer, or
explicitly running M-x print-buffer), all it does is display
"Spooling...done." The print job never shows up in the queue and, of
course, never prints. 

As far as I can tell, I have nothing in my .emacs that would affect
this.

Is this a bug?

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I've noticed quite often in 19.13 and 19.14 that the menu lists for the
menubar sometimes take a second to update.  By that I mean that if I
(for instance) click on the Buffers menu, XEmacs will first show me an
old version (or wrong) menu for a second and then seemingly realize its
mistake and repaint the menu correctly.  Has anyone else noticed this
behaviour?
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

Gail> On a related subject, is there a way to set fill-column locally
Gail> for message mode? I usually like a line length of 76, but I
Gail> think this is too long for posted news.

Use something like this:

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 70)))

The fill-column variable is automatically buffer local, so if you want
a local change for message-mode you must set it each time you enter
message-mode.
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

Gail> I found a small mistake in the Gnus menu bar. In the Summary
Gail> buffer, Misc-> Mark->Read->Mark_same_subject indicates that M K
Gail> is key equivalent. This is wrong. The actual key equivalent is
Gail> C-k.

The keybinding shown is computed dynamically.  Both C-k and M K appear
to be bound to gnus-summary-kill-same-subject, and indeed,
`Misc->Mark->Read->Mark same subject' is bound to the command
gnus-summary-kill-same-subject.  I doubt that easymenu is set up to
recognize multiple key bindings.

Basically, M K and C-k do the same thing, but only M K gets displayed
on the menubar.
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

Gail> I don't understand it. Now matter how I try to run print-buffer
Gail> (pressing the Print button, selecting File->Print Buffer, or
Gail> explicitly running M-x print-buffer), all it does is display
Gail> "Spooling...done." The print job never shows up in the queue
Gail> and, of course, never prints.

Gail> As far as I can tell, I have nothing in my .emacs that would affect
Gail> this.

Gail> Is this a bug?

Probably.  I noticed throughout the beta period that I could print
from some versions and not from others.  But I haven't been able to
track down exactly what the problem is.  I've noticed that my failure
rate has been much higher since I've been using a remote printer,
though why that should make a difference I haven't a clue.

I have a printer that eats color postscript without a trace, but the
following settings should prevent color output:

;;; Set up for printing
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-Plw"))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

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Is there a special group devoted to Elisp discussions?
I've tried several times to get an answer from comp.emacs.xemacs, but 
failed (probably because my questions were too inane anyway :) ).  

Thanks ahead of time.

Brent Goodrick

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>>>>> "Stewart" == Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:

Stewart> How do I bind a double mouse click to a command?

(I didn't know you could do this, you learn something new every day ...)

Not easily it appears.  Examine the mouse-track-click-hook.

An example of how to bind against a double click is in
packages/buff-menu.el (Buffer-menu-maybe-mouse-select).

mouse-track-click-hook's value is (default-mouse-track-click-hook)
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
Function or functions called when the user clicks the mouse.
`Clicking' means pressing and releasing the mouse without having
initiated a drag (i.e. without having moved more than a certain
threshold -- see `mouse-track-drag-hook').

This hook is invoked by `mouse-track'; thus, it will not be called
for any buttons with a different binding.  The functions will be
called with two arguments: the button-release event and a click
count, which specifies the number of times that the mouse has been
clicked in a series of clicks, each of which is separated by at most
`mouse-track-multi-click-time'.  This can be used to implement actions
that are called on double clicks, triple clicks, etc.

If any function returns non-nil, the remaining functions will not be
called.

See also `mouse-track-drag-up-hook.


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>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> writes:

Ronald> Is there anywhere on the net a list of differences between
Ronald> xemacs 19.13 and 19.14? The "Info" button still displays the
Ronald> features of xemacs 19.13.

This information was in the FAQ for several months.  You can still get
to it by selecting Help->XEmacs News (C-h n) from the Menubar.
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Shyamal Prasad <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> wrote:

>I am sure all the java folk are right when they say they could do
>Emacs better in java. Sure, why not? After all, you can't stop
>progress and all that ;)

>However, I am having a hard time quantifying what java will bring to
>emacs that is so much better. A new design in java will certainly be
>great, and gratifying to write. In fact I would love to try something
>like that (someday.....). Beyond that I am not sure why I would even
>try. 
<...>

I don't know that you could do Emacs better in Java...

But the things a Java version of Xemacs (that's what I'd work at as a goal)
would bring to the party are:

* An Xemacs that I could use Anywhere.  Xemacs for NT?  95?  Still
waiting... I know it wouldn't be that bad to do the port, but who has the
time?  You write one Java Xemacs, and you are done.  Of course, it would
have to be easily extensible or it would end up like all of those other
pretend Emacs's that just implement C-a and M->... 

* Helpful for Java programmers.  If as others have suggested you make a
version of Xemacs that could be used as a text entry device in a panel, or
a way of doing complex operations on input/output streams, you've really
got something.

* Could potentially be smaller. If you really wrote it to load in pieces
only as needed, you might reduce the runtime a hugs amount!  I too have
trouble getting that many people to use Xemacs, partially because it runs a
bit slow on the sun Sparcstations...  Of course, another wuestion is how
fast a Java Xemacs could run!

* Real mutli-threading...  Perhaps you could make the current Xemacs more
(?) multithreaded, but who would do the work?  And how portable would it be
between platforms?  That's another nice thing abaout a good Java
multithreaded design, is that you get a multithreading on all platforms for
no extra work!  (Assuming your VM doesn't handle things like thread
priorities all wrong... :-) )

Perhaps it wouldn't have features like built in web browser, mail client,
or news reader - to start with.  But then again, if it's really extensible
those things would probably be along soon enough. 

Just to add to the discussion of a Java version of Xemacs, let me add that
I'd really like to see elisp stay - but also a way to extend emacs with
Java objects as well.  Oh well, there just went the "small memory
footprint" benefit I spoke of...

>Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
>tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see
>applications that do this try W3 (the web browser), or URL
>highlighting in the GNUS newsreader, or see how the Hyperbole package
>embeds buttons in documents. I agree the Emacs way is not the cleanest
>way to do things, but I don't think it is broken.....yet(!). 
<...>

I think what the original poster was thinking of was more like embedding
Xemacs into a program with buttons and such, rather than just adding
buttons in an Xemacs buffer.  I know you can use Xemacs as a widget in X
applications...

>You forget a very important fact: the reason that Emacs is used by a
>"statistically miniscule" group of people is that to use Emacs almost
>requires that you be a programmer. To use Emacs at its best also
>requires that you be a pretty good programmer :( Forgive me for any
>ignorance I display here, but is the same not true of java? We all
>know that OO programming is very HARD (and those that don't know this
>will learn one day), so why would a java based emacs be better than an
>elisp based emacs?

I would like to think a Java based Xemacs could be an easier to use Xemacs,
much as Xemacs itself was an easier to use version of GnuEmacs.  

Xemacs is a good step, with menus to help the new users but all of the
power of Emacs behind the menus.  Pretty much almost anything you could do
to make a more friendly version of a Java Xemacs could also be done in
Xemacs.  WIth that in mind, I provide my own list based on years of
listening to friends excuses of why they don't use Emacs, or just watching
people fumble around:

* An easier way to set keys.  Sure I could just say set-local-key, or
set-global-key, but why can't a picture of a keyboard and function list
come up and let me drag between one and the other, perhaps dropping some
code over a key as well if I felt like?  What about a box selecting which
modes that binding should apply to? Why could't I do both, and choose not
to load the fancy way if I felt like?

* Someone who has not been color-blind since birth should get together with
someone who did help with set design on "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor
Dreamcoat" and redo the default color scheme...

* Make it easier to choose colors/font styles.

* Be able to start doing things RIGHT after it starts.  There's that
multithreading...  

* Input allowable even while lengthy things like indenting regions are any
other task is taking place.  In fact, user input should always be as
instant as is possible for the processes to make it short of killing off
other processes (actually, that should be an advanced option to turn on :-)
)  Far too many people get a little hiccup in Xemacs in the early stage of
learning to use it, and give up.

* Better multi-media and attached file support.

I know of more, but that's all I can think of now.  You may notice many of
them are configuration issues - that would REALLY help many people who
think when they first start it "Oh, it can't do THIS", or more likley "Oh,
I can't figure out how to change THAT" and just leave.  Now some may argue
that people who cannot figure it out may not be worthy of Emacs, but my
goal has always been to get as many people using Emacs as possible so that
the entire programming world in general might be vastly more productive, in
the end bettering the lives of all forever.  Frankly, the breaking of the
configuration stuff in 19.13 (12?) was the largest imaginable catastrophe
for me as I could no longer suggest the program to neophytes.

>How am I to believe that the people who will use the java based editor
>the way we Emacs zealots use Emacs today will be anything other than
>"statistically miniscule"? I cannot bring my self to believe that all
>the young twenty somethings hacking HTML today will hack java with the
>same level of enthusiasm. I think the java editor will get the same
>response that emacs does today - "Huh? It's too complicated. I'll
>stick with MS Word 7.0 instead".

Yet if that were true, why are programs like Winedit so popular?  I think
by and large text editors will mostly be used by programmers, but it seems
that slowly over time many more people will become programmers of one sort
or another, and they need something more powerful than a program as limited
as Word (can you imagine writing a program using Word?  Ugh!).

>At any rate, I hope this java based editor makes it. I would be one of
>the first to try it. But it probably won't be because I believe a java
>based editor would be "better" than the elisp emacs. Hell, I still
>think vi is one fine editor (and I *am* serious)!

Now, what if the Java version of Xemacs did have elisp?  I'm not saying a
Java one would be better - but it could be, just as a swimmer in a race
might pass a more powerful swimmer near the end of the laps.  Of course,
Xemacs has already done about 3400 laps in comparison to the Java Xemacs 0
laps...

>And as a note: this posting was composed and posted entirely in XEmacs
>19.14 including reading the original article, citations, archiving and
>all filling and spell checks.

This one wasn't, 'cause I have the limited NT version of Emacs (not
Xemacs).  That alone is reason enough for a Java Xemacs to form.

>I say - clean up the elisp engine, give it threads, make a better
>compiler (and I would LOVE to see a tail recursion removal
>optimization some day, though I am not sure how we'd get there).

It all comes down to who wants to do the work where - the advantage working
over the current Xemacs has is that you have a lot of code to start with.  

The advantage a Java Xemacs has is that it has no code to start with.  Code
that doesn't exist always better designed and runs better than code that
has the disadvantage of actually being written...

---> Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmii.com)


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Steve Burgett wrote:
> 
> Someone earlier in this thread (I forget who) wished for a compiler
> that would allow code to be easily moved back and forth across the
> "interpreter boundary."  In the case of Emacs, code in elisp could be
> moved to C when it was sufficiently gelled.  Code in C could be moved
> to elisp (I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the original article
> anymore).
> 
> Over the years I have come to wish for very much this same thing, not
> only for Emacs, but for all my programming.  When banging out some
> quick prototype code, an interpreter with features such as dynamic
> typing, no declarations, eval, etc., is most convenient.  As the
> project grows, the features of a compiler with strong static typing,
> declarations, etc., become desirable.
> 
> Extension languages have traditionally been interpreted.  This is
> partly due to the impracticality (until recently) of dynamically
> loading object code to a running program.  More importantly, the
> language features typically found in interpreters are desirable in an
> extension language.

Well, technically, Emacs Lisp is both interpreted and compiled; it just
happens to be compiled for a virtual machine, rather than to native
code.

There's no fundamental reason that Emacs Lisp could not be compiled to C
code, or to object code, but it wouldn't necessarily be as easy as most
people seem to assume; yes, there is the dynamic loading problem, and
it's not too hard to solve these days.  But the problem which most
people overlook is that of safety.

Emacs Lisp is (theoretically) a completely safe language, in that no
lisp code can (theoretically) cause the program to crash.  It does this
by rigorously checking types at runtime, by keeping stack growth in
check, and by providing a (primitive yet effective) condition system.

People seem to be assuming that one could take

  (defun foo (x)
    (1+ x))

and translate it to 

  Lisp_Object foo(Lisp_Object x)
  {
    Lisp_Object y;
    XSETINT(y, 1 + XINT(x));
    return y;
  }

but those are *not* equivalent: the latter does no error checking.  As a
more complicated example, replace "1+" with "bar".  In this case, there
are a slew of safety issues that the bytecode virtual machine deals
with: it deals with the possibility of "bar" having been redefined; with
the possibility that a garbage collection could be triggered during the
call to "bar"; that "bar" might recursively call "foo" and blow the
stack; that "bar" might throw to a catch tag, or signal an error; that
"bar" might enter the debugger; that the user of the debugger might
force a return from an arbitrary earlier frame, and so on, and so on.

The fundamental issue here is that the bytecode virtual machine is a
significantly more sophisticated one than the machine on which a C
program runs: the machine itself provides memory management, exception
handling, and safety.  Any emitted C code would need to be complexified
until it was equally safe.

So what would that mean?  Well, if the C code you emitted contained code
to handle all of these cases, you'd see hardly any speed savings at all:

(defun foo (x y)
  (bar (+ x 3) y))

Lisp_Object foo(Lisp_Object x, Lisp_Object y)
{
  struct GCPRO gcpro1, gcpro2, gcpro3;
  Lisp_Object three, result;
  XSETINT(three, 3);
  result = Qnil;
  GCPRO2(x, y, result);
  x = call2(Qplus, three);
  result = call2(Qbar, x, y);
  UNGCPRO;
  return result;
}

and note that call2() does a *lot* of work, in maintaining a parallel
representation of the C stack, needed for handling exceptions and other
nonlocal exits.

Basically, it's a huge pain in the ass.

Java has all of these problems too, of course, but solves them both by
having a more sophisticated virtual machine than Emacs Lisp has, but
also by having a language which, by having strict type information
available at compile-time, allows much more optimization.

Now some people will say, "if I'm compiling my lisp code to C code, that
means that I know it has no errors."  But I claim that it's nearly
impossible to say that about an Emacs Lisp program, since signalling
errors in lisp is a *normal* thing to do.  Using `condition-case' is a
perfectly reasonable programming practice.

And you certainly can't make that claim if your lisp-to-C-compiled
program is ever allowed to call out to lisp code again, because that
makes your program responsible for managing all conditions in that lisp
call.

Also note that the concept of a Just-in-Time compiler is just as
applicable to the Emacs-Lisp virtual machine as it is to the Java
virtual machine; but it seems like the Java language lends itself to
optimmizations that Emacs Lisp does not, thus making it much harder to
write an Emacs-Lisp JIT that really saved much.

> To me, the dream programming system would let me write in one language
> and move a piece of code between compiler and interpreter with minimal
> trouble.
> 
> HERE IS THE PUNCH LINE:  How about JavaScript as an extension language?
> 
> Yes, I am well aware that Java != JavaScript.  But I can envision a
> tool that takes my JavaScript programs and tells me what I need to do
> to convert them to Java.

I don't know what a JavaScript-to-Java translator would look like; it's
possible that this would have many of the same overhead problems that
Emacs-Lisp-to-C would have, but maybe not (JavaScript has late typing
like Lisp, while Java has early typing like C.)

> JavaScript is a nice language for prototyping (or would be if it
> weren't trapped inside Navigator :-).  Think about it.  The object
> model of JS is very user friendly.  If I want an object to have a
> member, I just pretend it already does and assign something to it.
> Now, when I want to move that code to Java, I would use a tool that
> scans through and gathers up all the members I have tacked onto all my
> objects.  It then suggests some class definitions that would fill the
> bill.  The implementation of this tool would look much like the JS
> interpreter itself, I imagine.

(I'm far from being a Java or JavaScript expert, so I may be missing
something here, but...)

This assumes you can examine the program (without running it) and know
the names of all objects it uses, and the names of all their members,
and which members belong to which objects.  It's not clear to me that
that's really possible.  There are perverse examples of this, but here's
a simple one.  Suppose you define a routine that adds an X property to
the object passed in; and suppose that elsewhere in that file, your code
defines classes named A and B.  The compiler probably has to assume the
existence of A.X and B.X, because it's going to be very hard to prove
that your method may be called with an A but will never be called with 
a B.

> Presently I don't thing that Java and JavaScript are quite close
> enough to be used this way.  But both are young and are already
> growing toward each other.  Both can dynamically load code into
> running programs.  With LiveConnect they can talk to each other.  It
> shouldn't take much modification of either language to permit the
> creation of tools that would move code from one language to the other.

The fundamental differences in the languages are there not merely for
perversity, but because they were perceived to be desired by their
target audiences: the late typing of JavaScript was believed to be
easier for non-programmers to understand, and easiest for quick hacks
(that's why that sort of thing is most often seen in scripting
languages); while the early typing of Java was added basically to make
it possible to write a good compiler (as well as to make some security
issues easier to resolve.)  (I guess the thing those two points have in
common is that optimization and security both benefit from ease of
static analysis.)

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Hello,

this are two annoying xemacs problems:

1. History in query-replace does not work.

2. With the "delbackspace" package it is not possible to treat
   DEL (^?) and the escape sequence for the delete key
   (terminfo: kdch1, escape [ 3 ~ under linux) different. This
   works with gnu-emacs.
   
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In article <3202F5AC.59E2@netscape.com> Jamie Zawinski
<jwz@netscape.com> writes:

j> This assumes you can examine the program (without running it) and
j> know the names of all objects it uses, and the names of all their
j> members, and which members belong to which objects.  It's not clear
j> to me that that's really possible.

There is one obvious case that certainly makes it a pain: having your
JavaScript code reside in different files.  Compiler writers are
typically lazy when it comes to making any effort at cross-module
analysis, because this is relatively hard to do.  In addition, if
JavaScript provides the possibility of dynamically loading chunks of
code, you can't do a static analysis of all code paths to determine
how many members an object has.  This means that you need to do
binding at run time, which slows things down a lot.  Barf.

j> I guess the thing those two points have in common is that
j> optimization and security both benefit from ease of static
j> analysis.

It's also easy to argue that code correctness benefits from static
type analysis.  This is part of the motivation behind type
declarations in Common Lisp, and behind soft type inferencing systems
for other Lisp dialects (e.g. Scheme).

	<b
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Hai,

by moving from Emacs-19.31 to XEmacs-19.14 I've got two problems using
LaTeX and BibTeX. In Emacs-19.31 I get handling a .bib-file two
pull-down menus: Entry-Types and BibTeX-Edit. If it's a *.tex-file the
menue is named TeX. In XEmacs there are wether the both BibTeX-menus nor
the LaTeX-menu.

How can I get these menus in XEmacs-19.14 running under Linux and
Solaris 2.4?

Thanks,
	 Thomas

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>>>>> "Brent" == Joe Bleau <joebleau@amd.com> writes:

Brent> Is there a special group devoted to Elisp discussions?

You found them, (there's also gnu.emacs.help for GNU Emacs only).

Brent> I've tried several times to get an answer from comp.emacs.xemacs,
Brent> but failed (probably because my questions were too inane anyway
Brent> :) ).

The last two questions I see from you on comp.emacs.xemacs are:
Brent> Subject: desktop package help
Brent> ...
Brent> I'm trying to find out how to include ange-ftp files in with the
Brent> desktop file saved with the desktop package.

I don't know.  I'd recommend a careful reading of the desktop source.
I've only used desktop when I've been forced to deal with a glass tty,
which thankfully hasn't been for some time now. :-)

Brent> Subject: etags and tcl language
Brent> ...
Brent> Anyone out there know of any work being done to include the TCL
Brent> language to the etags parser?

Not that I'm aware of, but it sounds like a good idea.  I'd like to
have something like that.
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

Gail> I start up XEmacs with the following command in my .fvwmrc file:
Gail> 	xemacs -g 81x58+480+20 -funcall vm &

Gail> This causes XEmacs to start up in VM, which works just
Gail> fine. However, I run into a problem when I create a new frame.

Gail> I press the "XEmacs" button on the menu bar to give me the
Gail> regular menu bar. Then I select File->New Frame (or press C-x 5
Gail> 2). A new frame comes up, but it has the VM menu bar.

I see the same behavior in w3 as well.  C-x 5 2 gives you a copy of
the current frame, so I assume this is `correct' behavior.  What
happens if you make a new frame with `C-x 5 b' or `C-x 5 f'?
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>>>>> "Beth" == Beth Cousins <bcousins@btv.ibm.com> writes:

Beth> I would like to specify certain formatting in my .emacs file, but the
Beth> one that I have is written in Lisp & I don't know Lisp. Does anyone know
Beth> where I might find some sample .emacs files that  specify certain
Beth> colors, fonts, etc for C program files?

You don't say what version of XEmacs you're using, so I will assume
you're using the current version, 19.14.  A good example .emacs to
start out with is included in the XEmacs distribution.  To get a copy
of it, select Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar.  (In previous
versions you will have to find the XEmacs runtime directories and pull
out etc/sample.emacs).

To customize colors and faces look for the region of code that has the
comment:

;;; blue bold, etc.  The code below will cause font-lock to automatically be
;;; enabled when you edit C, C++, Emacs-Lisp, and many other kinds of
;;; programs.
;;;
;;; The "Options" menu has some commands for controlling this as well.
;;;

If you just want to customize the colors and stuff and don't want to
mess around with Lisp and .emacs, then check out the Options->Edit Faces...
selection from the menubar.  There is a great deal of stuff you can
configure from the Options menu, so it might be a good idea to try all
each item out.  Be sure to select Options->Save Options when you have
things to your liking and want to save them permanently.

Even if you end up just configuring off of the Options menu I strongly
encourage you to look at the sample.emacs anyway.  There is a lot of
good stuff in it ...

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simple.el::just-one-space calls expand-abbrev no matter whether abbrev-mode
or not. Now this is dementia, if there ever was one. I never use
abbrev-mode and have some 1 and 2 letter abbreviations, including "in" ->
"interaction net".

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>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur D Jerijian <celestra@ix.netcom.com> writes:

Arthur> ... Xemacs doesn't work at all
Arthur> Whenever I run the Xemacs binary in an xterm
Arthur> session, the cursor just sits right there and does nothing.
Arthur> My hard drive doesn't get very active, either.  The only
Arthur> response I get from Xemacs is when I hit C-c, where it just
Arthur> echoes "Quit" and leaves me back into my shell prompt.
 ...
Arthur> My system details are:

Arthur> * Linux kernel version 2.0.10
Arthur> * Semi-customized Red Hat Linux 3.0.3, with all current fixes applied

Hopefully this means you have upgraded to libgr-2.0.9.

Arthur> * Xemacs built with GCC 2.7.2 (ELF) and libc 5.2.18
Arthur> * XFree86 version is 3.1.2, with the server itself being the
Arthur>   3.1.2E for S3 chipsets
Arthur> * Configuration done with: "CFLAGS=-O2 ./configure i586-celestra-linux"
Arthur> * I _think_ is put -fno-strength-reduce in my GCC specs file

This is the only obviously wrong place.  You *must* compile XEmacs
with -fno-strength-reduce or use gcc 2.7.2 no-srbug.  My tests
indicate this bug is an XEmacs-killer.

Arthur> * Xemacs built as a normal user and installed as root in /usr/local

Arthur> Did I overlook anything important?

Make sure DISPLAY is set correctly.  Make sure XAUTHORITY is set
correctly (if you use xdm).

Something is wrong, since XEmacs should install pain-free on your
system.  Try running configure:


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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> What is this webbing minor mode that W3 loads up and why is it activated in
> all of my windows after I load W3?  What's its use?

  This is supposed to only show up when you have stuff downloading
asynchronously in the background.  There were a few problems with this in
the version of w3 that went out with 19.14.

  Everyone shold probably upgrade to w3 3.0.9 at
ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/elisp/w3/.betas/

-Bill P.

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Thanks for the tips.  I finally got Xemacs working after double-checking
my GCC specs file (and finding out that -fno-strength-reduce WASN'T
there...) and rebuilding Xemacs from scratch.  However, I didn't
realize that I needed to set the DISPLAY variable to 127.0.0.1:0
until I read the Xemacs out-of-date FAQ (silly me).  All is well again!

--Arthur

In article <m2u3uk3sll.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>, Steven L Baur wrote:

[ ... ]

>Make sure DISPLAY is set correctly.  Make sure XAUTHORITY is set
>correctly (if you use xdm).
>
>Something is wrong, since XEmacs should install pain-free on your
>system.  Try running configure:


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From: Hans Erik Martino Hansen <martino@rubidium.daimi.aau.dk>
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I am writing some elisp code but under sometimes the cursor doesn't 
follow the point in the buffer. This means for example that a 





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I'm at home, so I don't have access to XEmacs, but if you do hyper-apropos
and type 'backup', you should see some variables which say how many old and new
backups to keep.

Also in dired-mode, if you type '~' followed by 'x', all backups will be
deleted.
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From: Hans Erik Martino Hansen <martino@rubidium.daimi.aau.dk>
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Subject: Cursor doesn't follow point
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	Sorry for the incomplete posting previously.  I have a problem
with XEmacs 19.14. I have written some elisp code, but sometimes the
cursor isn't at the same place as the point when returning from a
function I bound to a key. The function uses the following other
functions:

save-excursion
search-forward-regexp
goto-char
looking-at
progn
beginning and end-of-line
forward-char
next-line
insert
point
replace-match

If you after this press C-f the cursor
jumps severel lines forward (to the position after the point).

	This must be a bug. Now I want to know two things
        - can you surcumvent it (make the cursor jump to the point)
        - is this a known bug or should I report it

TIA
/erik
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From: ecrampto@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Eric Crampton)
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I would like to save my font selection for XEmacs so each time I load it up,
my chosen font is active. I tried this:

- Selecting the Options -> Font -> lucidatypewriter
- Selecting Options -> Save Options

When I reload, the old default font is used instead of my selection. I
assume Save Options saves the font, too, but it doesn't work. I read in the
XEmacs FAQ in Q3.2.1 that you can edit the .emacs file to accomplish this,
but I was curious why the Save Options command doesn't seem to work for me.

Thanks for any insight!

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Do:
M-x global-set-key <return>
and follow the prompting.

If the recall the command history, you will be the entire elisp command.
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Sudhakar Frederick (sfrederi@asc.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: Hi,

: The pretty print with faces is GREAT for code. is it possible to also print
: with line numbers?? ie pretty-print-with-faces-and-linenumbers!!??

You could use "pr" with "shell-command-on-buffer", and pretty-print that
result.
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Subject: Re: Is there a parenthesis-matching command?
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I just delete the right paren, and then when I re-type it, the matching left
paren is shown.
You could of course try "Paren highlihting" under "Options" menu.
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1). xemacs-19.14 (on Linux, if that matters):
2). rsz-minibuffer is operational
3). truncate-lines t
4). tty mode -- I shall not do X, yeech! :) 

GIve the above, how can I see the full text of a lengthy error string
in the echo area?

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On 01 Aug 1996 14:28:53 +0200, Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>
>>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@ludde.isy.liu.se> writes:
>
> Anders> I often get problems when displaying inlined jpeg-pictures in
> Anders> Gnus and VM (I'm using the tm package for that).
>
> Anders> I get the message
>
> Anders>  Corrupt JPEG data: 182 extraneous bytes before marker 0x03
> Anders>  in the console,
>

I just experienced this with VM/tm and a particular jpeg.  I was able
to view it with xv simply by marking the region of the warning buffer
containing the image data and saving that region to a file.  But I
tried viewing the same image with w3 and it wouldn't work either.  I
then converted it a gif with djpeg, and that worked fine.  Since djpeg
was compiled with the same library (jpeg-6a) that XEmacs uses for JPEG
support, I'm a little stumped.

Also after loading it into xv, I saved it back as a new jpeg, then
mailed that to myself and it worked fine, so it's definitely not all
jpegs, just that one.

I have the offending jpeg still if anyone who knows about such things
wants a look.  In fact, I've put it at
http://www.atomic.com/~ogre/OurPuppy.jpg

I can mail it too if that's more convenient for anyone.  It's some
pictures of my friend's new puppy, he's looking for a name.

>I get the same message most of the time when displaying inlined jpeg's
>with gnus/tm and also when I display jpegs "by hand" using the
>following elisp code
>
>(make-annotation (set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image
>   "foo.jpg") nil 'text)

  Nope, tried this and it doesn't work on this JPEG.  It did work for
the xv re-saved version.

System Info:
Linux 2.0.0
XFree86 3.1.2
XEmacs 19.14 (self-compiled, ELF)
jpeg-6a
tm: Version 7.68

	Joe


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Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:

> 
> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
> something like the % command in VI.
> 
> Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Not being a vi hacker I'v no idea what % does. However

M-C-f moves forward over balanced parens (forward-sexp)
M-C-b moves backward over balanced parens (backward-sexp)

and the options menu contains a section on "paren matching"

Regards

Paul Flinders

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In article <3047651139233556@arcana.naggum.no>,
Erik Naggum  <erik@naggum.no> wrote:
|[Daniel LaBell]
|
||   A seperate garbage collection thread in emacs would speed it up quite a
||   bit.
|
|do you know how much time is spent in garbage collection in Emacs?
|how did you measure it?
|
|incidentally, I added a primitive `run-time-statistics' (to my own Emacs)
|that reports the process and children time, as well as a separate count for
|time spent in garbage collection.  it is used by the `time' function I also
|wrote that reports memory usage and time spent executing a form.

Check out the profiling code in XEmacs -- it does something similar,
reporting time spent in each Lisp function and in redisplay and GC.

|my estimates are that garbage collection represents about 3% of the total
|run-time of Emacs over the course of a week.  it's no big deal.  people
|notice it because of the message.  so we turned them off.  most users do
|not experience any noticable slowdown from garbage collection, compared to
|networks, disks, paging and swapping, etc.

It depends ...  sometimes garbage collection takes a long time.
When I was doing compiles from within XEmacs, I noticed that a GC
while scanning the error buffer could take up to 20 seconds on my
Pentium 90!  The problem turned out to be the singly-linked list
of markers; so now XEmacs has a doubly-linked list.

Even in garbage collection is only 3% of the total run-time, it happens
all at once, so it's significantly out-of-proportion in its importance.

ben
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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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OK, I'm not sure of the best place to post this.  These seem like
good places since I can be fairly certain that Steven Baur will
see it.  :)  (However, most of this deals with tm in conjunction
with VM, and I think Steven uses Gnus for mail.  Anyway...)

Also, apologies in advance for the fairly large backtraces.  At
least I edited out the binary byte-code gunk did a fill-region on
them...

---

Environment:

Solaris 2.5, CDE 1.0.1
XEmacs 19.14, precompiled binaries for Solaris 2.4 w/SPARCworks
VM 5.96beta, tm 7.74

---


Well, after additional problems with rmime.el, I decided to give in
and give tm a try.  Some comments and problems:

1) I hate the fact that paths are hard-coded.  Anybody have an easy
   kludge so I could just set a variable to point to the right place?
   (This is a problem because I'm not the sys admin and don't want
   to mess with having them placed in to a site-lisp place, and because
   I like to just tar up my auxiliary elisp stuff and take it to
   different machines, which may have a different path.)

2) When I try to read (button2) an encoded msg, I always (I think) get:

application/octet-stream; base64 -> /tmp/MICROS~1.URL
/home/turner/Emacs/elisp/share/tm/tmdecode: mmencode: not found

Process tm-file exited abnormally with code 1

   in the *MIME-out* buffer.  I can't find mmencode anywhere.  Did I
   screw up the install somehow?

   In fact, the first time I tried to post this msg, it failed with
   a msg about mmencode.  I had to disable tm and restart to get this
   to post.

3) Before, in VM, button3 over the subject of a msg would pop up a
   "Take action on subject" menu.  But now it seems that any msgs tm
   detects as MIME get viewed in *Preview-INBOX* rather than INBOX.
   So button3 pops up a MIME-View menu and doesn't do the special
   menus for subject, author, etc.

   I can always switch to INBOX for the other capability, but that
   seems a bit kludgy.  Or is that the right way to do it?

4) I get the following sort of backtrace fairly often:

Signalling: (wrong-number-of-arguments #<compiled-function (from
"tm-text.elc") (charset &optional encoding) "...(9)"
[decode-mime-charset-region charset default-mime-charset] 4> 3)
  mime-charset/decode-buffer(754156 754629 "ISO-8859-1")
  mime-charset/maybe-decode-buffer("ISO-8859-1" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/decode-text-buffer("ISO-8859-1" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/filter-for-text/plain("text/plain" (("charset"
. "ISO-8859-1")) "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/display-body(754156 754629 nil [mime::content-info nil
753029 754629 "text/plain" (("charset" . "ISO-8859-1"))
"quoted-printable" nil] "text/plain" (("charset" . "ISO-8859-1")) "Re:
activation of URLs" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/display-content([mime::content-info nil 753029 754629
"text/plain" (("charset" . "ISO-8859-1")) "quoted-printable" nil]
[mime::content-info nil 753029 754629 "text/plain" (("charset"
. "ISO-8859-1")) "quoted-printable" nil] #<buffer "INBOX">
"*Preview-INBOX*")
  mime-viewer/make-preview-buffer(nil)
  mime-viewer/setup-buffer(nil nil nil nil)
  mime/viewer-mode()
  byte-code("[snip]" [vm-widen-page vm-message-pointer 0 nil
mime/viewer-mode tm-vm/use-original-url-button vm-use-menus
vm-menu-support-possible-p vm-energize-urls
vm-highlighted-header-regexp vm-xemacs-p vm-use-lucid-highlighting
vm-highlight-headers search-forward "\n\n" t] 5)
  tm-vm/preview-current-message()
  run-hooks(vm-select-message-hook)
  vm-run-message-hook([[#<marker at 752996 in INBOX> #<marker at
753029 in INBOX> #<marker at 754023 in INBOX> #<marker at 754156 in
INBOX> #<marker at 754629 in INBOX> #<marker at 754629 in INBOX>]
["192" "192" nil #<marker at 15908 in INBOX Summary> #<marker at 15981
in INBOX Summary> <<>> <-- From_-with-Content-Length "588" #<buffer
"INBOX"> nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil
nil] ["473" "Thu" "1" "August" "1996" "08:51:16" "-0600" "John Turner"
"turner@gielgud.lanl.gov" nil "14" "Re: activation of URLs" "^From:"
nil nil "8" nil nil (number " " mark " John Turner Aug 1 14/473 "
thread-indent "\"Re: activation of URLs\"\n") nil] [nil <v> nil nil
nil]] vm-select-message-hook)
  vm-preview-current-message()
  vm-toolbar-next-command(1 1 1)
  call-interactively(vm-toolbar-next-command)
  release-and-activate-toolbar-button(#<buttonup-event button1up>)
  call-interactively(release-and-activate-toolbar-button)

5) Here's another backtrace I've gotten, but I believe this was on
   trying to read a msg on the CVS mailing list that others said
   their MIME-capable mail readers couldn't handle as well:

Signalling: (wrong-number-of-arguments #<compiled-function (from
"tm-text.elc") (charset &optional encoding) "...(9)"
[decode-mime-charset-region charset default-mime-charset] 4> 3)
  mime-charset/decode-buffer(953399 953562 "ISO-8859-1")
  mime-charset/maybe-decode-buffer("ISO-8859-1" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/decode-text-buffer("ISO-8859-1" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/filter-for-text/plain("text/plain" (("charset"
. "ISO-8859-1")) "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/display-body(953399 953562 (0) [mime::content-info nil
950678 958531 "multipart/mixed" (("boundary"
. "---Multi-Part-Message-Level-1-1-21659")) nil ([mime::content-info
... 953307 953562 "text/plain" ... "quoted-printable" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 953603 954050 "text/plain"
... "quoted-printable" nil] [mime::content-info ... 954091 954389
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 954430 954914 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 954955 955253 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 955294 955693
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 955734 956032 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 956073 956387 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 956428 956726
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 956767 956987 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 957028 957390 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 957431 957570
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 957611 958488 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil])]
"text/plain" (("charset" . "ISO-8859-1")) "" "quoted-printable")
  mime-preview/display-content([mime::content-info (0) 953307 953562
"text/plain" (("charset" . "ISO-8859-1")) "quoted-printable" nil]
[mime::content-info nil 950678 958531 "multipart/mixed" (("boundary"
. "---Multi-Part-Message-Level-1-1-21659")) nil ([mime::content-info
... 953307 953562 "text/plain" ... "quoted-printable" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 953603 954050 "text/plain"
... "quoted-printable" nil] [mime::content-info ... 954091 954389
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 954430 954914 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 954955 955253 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 955294 955693
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 955734 956032 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 956073 956387 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 956428 956726
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 956767 956987 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil]
[mime::content-info ... 957028 957390 "application/octet-stream" nil
"base64" nil] [mime::content-info ... 957431 957570
"application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil] [mime::content-info
... 957611 958488 "application/octet-stream" nil "base64" nil])]
#<buffer "INBOX"> "*Preview-INBOX*")
  mime-viewer/make-preview-buffer(nil)
  mime-viewer/setup-buffer(nil nil nil nil)
  mime/viewer-mode()
  byte-code("[snip]" [vm-widen-page vm-message-pointer 0 nil
mime/viewer-mode tm-vm/use-original-url-button vm-use-menus
vm-menu-support-possible-p vm-energize-urls
vm-highlighted-header-regexp vm-xemacs-p vm-use-lucid-highlighting
vm-highlight-headers search-forward "\n\n" t] 5)
  tm-vm/preview-current-message()
  run-hooks(vm-select-message-hook)
  vm-run-message-hook([[#<marker at 950645 in INBOX> #<marker at
950678 in INBOX> #<marker at 952888 in INBOX> #<marker at 953267 in
INBOX> #<marker at 958531 in INBOX> #<marker at 958531 in INBOX>]
["226" "226" nil #<marker at 18518 in INBOX Summary> #<marker at 18608
in INBOX Summary> <<>> <-- From_-with-Content-Length "225" #<buffer
"INBOX"> nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil
nil] ["5264" "Sun" "28" "July" "1996" "16:58:53" "+0200"
"info-cvs-ownrr@prep.ai.mit.edu" "info-cvs-ownrr@prep.ai.mit.edu" nil
"135" "proposed new command: 'cvs incorporate'" "^From:" nil nil "7"
nil nil (number " " mark " info-cvs-ownrr@pr Jul 28 135/5264 "
thread-indent "\"proposed new command: 'cvs incorporate'\"\n") nil]
[nil <v> nil nil nil]] vm-select-message-hook)
  vm-preview-current-message()
  vm-next-message(1 1 1)
  call-interactively(vm-next-message)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("[snip]" [pop-to-buffer debugger-buffer erase-buffer t 50
print-length pr int-escape-newlines standard-output backtrace
debugger-mode re-search-forward "\n[* ] debug(" 1 debugger-reenable
debugger-args (lambda debug) "Entering:\n" debug backtrace-debug 3
delete-char 42 0 exit "Return value: " debugger-value prin1 10 32
error "Signalling: " "Beginning evaluation of function call form:\n"
nil message "" buffer-read-only inhibit-trace recursive-edit] 3)
  debug(error (end-of-buffer))
  original-scroll-up(nil)
  scroll-window(#<window on "INBOX" 0x16b5> nil 1)
  scroll-up(nil)
  call-interactively(scroll-up)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions, fixes, etc.

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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>>>>>"SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

 SLB> [...] Basically, M K and C-k do the same thing, but only M K gets
 SLB> displayed on the menubar.

My question is: why doesn't the menu (and `substitute-command-keys')
display the shortest binding (in the meaning of `where-is' in
prim/help)?  Actually, I would prefer it... (This is (X)Emacs specific,
of course, not easymenu/Gnus).

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One thing, I would like to see in XEmacs, is that the argument of
:suffix in menu items will be evaluated.

 + Nearly all filter functions will become much easier (see functions in
   XEMACS/x11/x-menubar.el).

 + It would be much easier for users to add some menu items with some
   :suffix to be evaluated, e.g. the buffer name.

Argument of other keywords are evaluated, too (e.g. :active), so I hope,
speed is not the reason.

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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:

John> OK, I'm not sure of the best place to post this.  These seem
John> like good places since I can be fairly certain that Steven Baur
John> will see it.  :) (However, most of this deals with tm in
John> conjunction with VM, and I think Steven uses Gnus for mail.
John> Anyway...)

:-)

John> 1) I hate the fact that paths are hard-coded.  Anybody have an easy
John>    kludge so I could just set a variable to point to the right place?

I'm not sure what you mean by this, since the paths can be changed
fairly easily.  The brute force way to do it is to modify the two
lines in TM-CFG:
 ...
(setq PREFIX "/usr/local/")     ; install to your home directory
 ...
(setq EXEC_PREFIX "/usr/local/")        ; install to your home directory

If you want to install to your login directory, "~/" makes a good
value to use.

John> 2) When I try to read (button2) an encoded msg, I always (I think) get:

John> application/octet-stream; base64 -> /tmp/MICROS~1.URL
John> /home/turner/Emacs/elisp/share/tm/tmdecode: mmencode: not found

You must have metamail installed:
$ which mmencode
/usr/local/bin/mmencode

I got my copy from
	ftp://thumper.bellcore.com/pub/nsb/mm2.7.tar.Z

(nsb is Nathaniel Borenstein, [co]author of the MIME RFCs).

John> 3) Before, in VM, button3 over the subject of a msg would pop up
John>    a "Take action on subject" menu.  But now it seems that any
John>    msgs tm detects as MIME get viewed in *Preview-INBOX* rather
John>    than INBOX.  So button3 pops up a MIME-View menu and doesn't
John>    do the special menus for subject, author, etc.

John>    I can always switch to INBOX for the other capability, but
John>    that seems a bit kludgy.  Or is that the right way to do it?

I don't know (for reasons you point out above).

John> 4) I get the following sort of backtrace fairly often:

John> Signalling: (wrong-number-of-arguments #<compiled-function (from
John> "tm-text.elc") (charset &optional encoding) "...(9)"

This is the same as ...

John> 5) Here's another backtrace I've gotten, but I believe this was on
John>    trying to read a msg on the CVS mailing list that others said
John>    their MIME-capable mail readers couldn't handle as well:

John> Signalling: (wrong-number-of-arguments #<compiled-function (from
John> "tm-text.elc") (charset &optional encoding) "...(9)"

this.  You didn't say which version you're using, but this problem
should be fixed in tm7.75.  The fix applied is to change the function
mime-charset/maybe-decode-buffer to look like:

(defun mime-charset/maybe-decode-buffer (charset &optional encoding)
  (or (member encoding '(nil "7bit" "8bit" "binary"))
      (mime-charset/decode-buffer charset)
      ))

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>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Nelson <bnelson@netcom.com> writes:

Bob> 1). xemacs-19.14 (on Linux, if that matters):
Bob> 2). rsz-minibuffer is operational
Bob> 3). truncate-lines t
Bob> 4). tty mode -- I shall not do X, yeech! :) 

O.K.

Bob> GIve the above, how can I see the full text of a lengthy error string
Bob> in the echo area?

What is the value of resize-minibuffer-window-exactly?  If it is
non-nil and you're still having problems, then the only fallback I can
think of is to M-x view-lossage (C-h l), which should always work.

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>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Erik Martino Hansen <martino@rubidium.daimi.aau.dk> writes:

Hans> If you after this press C-f the cursor
Hans> jumps severel lines forward (to the position after the point).

Hans> 	This must be a bug. Now I want to know two things
Hans>         - can you surcumvent it (make the cursor jump to the point)
Hans>         - is this a known bug or should I report it

It's not clear to me what you're reporting.  Could you post the
function in question?  Thanks.

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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:

> Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
Lei> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
Lei> something like the % command in VI.

Paul> Not being a vi hacker I'v no idea what % does. However

It's the only useful vi function that has no clear Emacs analog.  The
brute force solution of deleting the paren or bracket in question and
reinserting it is unsatisfying and doesn't work if the buffer is
read-only.

Paul> M-C-f moves forward over balanced parens (forward-sexp)
Paul> M-C-b moves backward over balanced parens (backward-sexp)

Paul> and the options menu contains a section on "paren matching"

Those options control the look & feel of paren flashing at the time of
data entry.

There is code in viper/viper.el to do this, but I'm unwilling to load
a vi emulation mode for one simple function.
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Jamie Zawinski writes:

jwz> The fundamental differences in the languages are there not merely
jwz> for perversity, but because they were perceived to be desired by
jwz> their target audiences: the late typing of JavaScript was
jwz> believed to be easier for non-programmers to understand, and
jwz> easiest for quick hacks

Exactly.  I don't mean to suggest that JS and Java be melded into one
language.  The differences are the very thing I want!  I guess the
distinction I am trying to make is that for prototyping it is most
convenient to have a language with late typing, a tight edit/debug
cycle, and safety.  But when programming in the large, early typing
can be a big help.

Perhaps I should clarify that what I'm wishing for is not a completely
automated system.  I don't expect to be able to submit JS code to some
tool and have it converted to Java automatically.  

Let me pose a hypothetical: Suppose I've got this mythical
Emacs-in-Java editor, and suppose further that the official extension
language of this editor is JavaScript.  I hack out, say, a new
web-browsing package in JS.  At some point the project gets large
enough that I start to want the formalism of a language with early
typing, so I choose some of my modules to move to Java for
compilation.

Even if I have to do this entirely by hand it seems like it would be
easier with a JavaScript <-> Java paradigm than the Emacs Lisp <-> C
paradigm.  There are several reasons for this.  The first is that the
syntax is similar, so I can hack the same source.  This is not a
compelling reason, but it would be a convenience.

Another reason that the conversion is easier is that I've had to give
up something: the luxury of programming in Lisp.  Instead I do my
prototyping in a language (JS) that has similar semantics to those of
the compiled language (Java).

jwz> The fundamental issue here is that the bytecode virtual machine
jwz> is a significantly more sophisticated one than the machine on
jwz> which a C program runs: the machine itself provides memory
jwz> management, exception handling, and safety.  Any emitted C code
jwz> would need to be complexified until it was equally safe.

Exactly.  And the the Java Platform also provides these things, so
that emitted Java code does not need all the checks that comparable C
code would to ensure safety.  A big difference, of course, is that
Java has early typing, so fewer type checks are needed at runtime.

A related issue is that when I want to write a builtin for Emacs, I
get no help from the language (C).  The DEFUN macro does lots of the
work for me, but I still have to worry about non-local exits, gc, etc.
If I could use JS as the extension language for my Java program, the
interface would presumably follow the LiveConnect model.  In that
case, I don't have to do *anything* special to expose public Java
methods to JS.  I just use the
Packages.packageName.className.methodName syntax in JS.  Calling JS
code from Java is not quite as simple (it looks more like calling Lisp
from C), but at least I don't have to do my own GCPRO or worry about
non-local exceptions. (The JSException object takes care of the latter
for me.)


Now consider that maybe I wouldn't have to do the JS -> Java port
entirely by hand.  Maybe tools could be written that would make this
even easier.  As Jamie points out, there are perverse cases where it
cannot be determined which classes should have which variables.  But
what if there are some cases where this *can* be determined?  What if
I had a tool that could find those cases and then alert me to the
cases it can't resolve?  That would be vastly more help than I get
with my Emacs Lisp -> C port.

I read somewhere once a statistic about languages with late typing.
It said that in the programs sampled, most variables never change
type: they could have been declared (early typing) and the program
would work the same.  Many of those that do change type do so in
predictable ways.  For example, in JavaScript, I might write code like
this:

  num = 3456;
  num = "" + num;  // Convert num to a string;

To write this in Java I have to have two variables, iNum and sNum.  My
mythical porting tool would do something like a data-flow analysis to
find which variables never change type and which do.  Those whose type
can be inferred get declarations generated for them.  Those that can't
are flagged as such and I resolve those by hand.


I think that if we do write Emacs-in-Java it is going to need an
extension language other than Java.  Surely many would agree with me
that the reason Emacs is such a phenomenon is because of the
incredibly tight edit/test/debug cycle that Emacs Lisp provides.  That
is why so many great add-on's have been written.  (That and the fact
that Emacs Lisp is such a powerful language.)  If I do have to use
Java, What happens when I change the interface to one of the modules
in my web-browser extension?  Other modules in the extension package
may have to be recompiled because of the interface change.  I'll
probably have to reload the all the affected modules into the running
Emacs. (Does Java even support reloading of changed classes?)

I'd love to see Jamie's Emacs Lisp Byte compiler retargetted for the
JVM.  But is this even possible?  I don't know much about the JVM
internals, but I do know that it thinks in terms of types and classes.
Security validation depends on certain class-based checks as well as
early typing.  Of course, the whole elisp byte-code machine could be
written in Java, but I imagine that having one virtual machine
executing on another virtual machine would suffer a performance penalty,
to put it mildly :-)


I guess what I really want that I don't have is a JavaScript that is
detachable from Navigator.  I wish Sun would give Java a JS class so I
can write my own Java apps that use JS as their extension language.


Steve

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>
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Subject: Re: Cleaning up message posts in Gnus??
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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

> I've noticed that Gnus 5.2.25 that comes with XEmacs doesn't clean
> up any buffers that are used for composing posts to newsgroups.
> Normally, this is a good thing.  The problem is that Gnus leaves the
> modified bit turned on for this buffer, so XEmacs asks about these
> buffers before allowing you to exit.

By default, Gnus makes the buffer unmodified after sending it.
Perhaps the buffer is being modified by TM?  Your article looked liked
it had been run through some MIME-ish thing before being posted...

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what is wrong with emacs being written in c?  what could the benefit of 
writing a lisp interpreter in java possibly be?  :-)

if you don't like the elisp, then i ask why would you want to reimplement 
teco using java?  you could just add the EDiting MACros and voila, 
emacs!  :->

if, by a java emacs you mean a java reading engine (as emacs is a lisp 
running engine) which would act as a text editor after writing in the 
proper java code, it seems like might have some possibilites although i 
wouldn't call it emacs.  mostly it wouldn't make much sense because afaik 
java is a compiled language which means it loses many of the benefits of 
error checking/handling/recovery and garbage collection of an interpreted 
language like lisp (the byte-compile is not really compiled per se - i'd 
call it `pre-digested' by the parser).

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Subject: Re: Is there a parenthesis-matching command?
Date: 05 Aug 1996 11:41:25 +0300
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"lzhou" == Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
lzhou> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
lzhou> something like the % command in VI.

How about this? 
I don't know what % does in VI, but I like this.

---Clip---
(defun goto-matching-paren ()
  "Go to the matching parenthesis."
  (interactive "_")
  (cond ((eq (char-syntax (following-char)) ?\()
	 (forward-list 1))
	((eq (char-syntax (preceding-char)) ?\))
	 (backward-list 1))
	(t (message "No parenthesis matched."))))

(define-key global-map [(control \))] 'goto-matching-paren)
---Clip---



	Ave

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From: Donald Hunter <donaldh@memex.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs menu display bug (sort of?)
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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
> 
> I've noticed quite often in 19.13 and 19.14 that the menu lists for the
> menubar sometimes take a second to update.  By that I mean that if I
> (for instance) click on the Buffers menu, XEmacs will first show me an
> old version (or wrong) menu for a second and then seemingly realize its
> mistake and repaint the menu correctly.  Has anyone else noticed this
> behaviour?

Yes, I think I get something similar.  I have two frames visible and
have the focus in the buffer of frame A.  If I then click on the
buffer menu of frame B I get the buffer list for frame A.  I have to
click in the buffer of frame B before the menu will be displayed
correctly. 

I'm not sure if there is an easy solution.

Donald.
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> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Mon Aug  5 02:10:38 1996
> From: Steven L Baur <mv!steve@miranova.com>
> Subject: Re: Is there a parenthesis-matching command?
> Date: 04 Aug 1996 09:27:35 -0700
>
> To: mv!xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> 
> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
> 
> > Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
> Lei> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
> Lei> something like the % command in VI.

> 
> It's the only useful vi function that has no clear Emacs analog.
>

Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last command).
I'm sure someone has found an analogue. There is a dot-mode
function, but it is undocumented, so thTs line in my .emacs file doesn't
help:  (autoload 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)

Thomas Steger

E-mail: steger@tautron.com

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* David Masterson wrote:

> In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
> be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
> will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
> that Emacs allows via Lisp?

I may be wrong, but I think that Java as it currently stands isn't
really suited to this, or at least isn't really suited to the way I
work with Emacs when I'm programming.

I treat emacs as a little lisp machine -- ie a resident environment
where I can live and write programs with a debugger &c, and,
crucially, support for redefinition.

I don't think that Java has support for redefinition, which means
you'd end up rebooting the system every time you wanted to make a
change (rather than just an extension to what exists).  It's not
satisfactory to me to reboot my emacs every time I make a typo in a
function definition.

Java also doesn't let you define methods for classes outside the class
definition -- you have to subclass -- which is also not very nice for
a resident environment.

I expect that these problems could be fixed (maybe they have, its a
couple of months since I read about Java), but I'd find it hard to
work in an environment which doesn't have these features, compared to
emacs.  Of course I may be unusual in how I treat emacs.

--tim

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Hi 

  I am following the threads on the apparent slowness of XEmacs
19.14 for quite a while now, but I did not see any solution so
far. It is very annoying to have an editor which has all bells
and whistles but has a typing rate of less than approx. 3 cps. on
a SPARCstaion 20 with 48 Megabyte of RAM, running SunOS 4.1.4. I
recompiled XEmacs several times using all levels of optimization,
but it did not help. When there are more than 6 frames I can type
much faster than XEmacs can show.

Since the problem occurs only with typing of single characters,
not with Page Up/Down or anything else, there has to be some
expensive calculation at each keypress. What is it? Who can help?
Why is 19.13 faster?

Thanks a lot,

Ulli

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From: John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov>
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Subject: Re: gave up on rmime, now tm problems
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@gielgud.lanl.gov> writes:
> 
> John> OK, I'm not sure of the best place to post this.  These seem
> John> like good places since I can be fairly certain that Steven Baur
> John> will see it.  :) (However, most of this deals with tm in
> John> conjunction with VM, and I think Steven uses Gnus for mail.
> John> Anyway...)
> 
> :-)

See, I knew you'd be first to respond!

> John> 1) I hate the fact that paths are hard-coded.  Anybody have an easy
> John>    kludge so I could just set a variable to point to the right place?
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by this, since the paths can be changed
> fairly easily.  The brute force way to do it is to modify the two
> lines in TM-CFG:
>  ...
> (setq PREFIX "/usr/local/")     ; install to your home directory
>  ...
> (setq EXEC_PREFIX "/usr/local/")        ; install to your home directory
> 
> If you want to install to your login directory, "~/" makes a good
> value to use.

Right, right, I did this, and it's easy and all.

What I'm talking about is the fact that the paths get hard-coded into the
installed mime-setup.el.  So say I use ~/Emacs/elisp.  When installed
the lines in mime-setup.el are, e.g.:

(add-path "/home/turner/Emacs/elisp/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/tl")

Now I'd like to tar the whole wad up and move it to another machine where
homes are /u1/turner or something.  Argh!  Yeah, I can just edit these
things in mime-setup.el, but are they anywhere else?  I don't really want
to know.  I'd like it to be a variable (several if nec.).  Then I can set
that in .emacs, have it inherit from an env var, or whatever.

I should probably dive in and hack what I want and send it in, but I just
don't have time right now.

> You must have metamail installed:
> $ which mmencode
> /usr/local/bin/mmencode
> 
> I got my copy from
> 	ftp://thumper.bellcore.com/pub/nsb/mm2.7.tar.Z
> 
> (nsb is Nathaniel Borenstein, [co]author of the MIME RFCs).

Thanks.  Somehow I missed that.  Thought I'd screwed up the install or
something.

> this.  You didn't say which version you're using, but this problem
> should be fixed in tm7.75.  The fix applied is to change the function
> mime-charset/maybe-decode-buffer to look like:

Thanks.  I'll give 7.75 a try.

-John

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Hello XEmacs Developers,

I am using the pre-compiled version which I got as
xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks.tar.gz.

xemacs-19.14 is occasionally dumping its core on me.

I haven't found any hints yet as to under what circumstances that
typically happens.

What I have, however, is a stack traceback fo the last core I got:

(debugger) debug /usr/local/bin/xemacs core
Reading symbolic information for xemacs
core file header read successfully
Reading symbolic information for rtld /usr/lib/ld.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libtt.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libce.so.0
Reading symbolic information for libXm.so.3
Reading symbolic information for libXmu.so.4
Reading symbolic information for libXt.so.4
Reading symbolic information for libXext.so.0
Reading symbolic information for libX11.so.4
Reading symbolic information for libsocket.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libnsl.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libkvm.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libelf.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libdl.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libm.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libc.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libintl.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libw.so.1
Reading symbolic information for libmp.so.1
program terminated by signal SEGV (Segmentation Fault)
(debugger) where
=>[1] kill(0x0, 0xb, 0x288000, 0x30c378, 0x0, 0x0), at 0xef273e30
  [2] fatal_error_signal(0xb, 0x27c000, 0xefffdd60, 0xf025cd40, 0x0, 0x10000), at 0x6b484
  ---- called from signal handler with signal 11 (SIGSEGV) ------
  [3] x_any_window_to_frame(), at 0x11f99c
  [4] x_event_to_emacs_event(0xefffe2b8, 0x7b45e8, 0x3c, 0xefffe2b8, 0x0, 0x306600), at 0x11d4fc
  [5] emacs_Xt_event_handler(0x107b45e8, 0x0, 0xefffe2b8, 0xefffe12f, 0x0, 0xefffe11c), at 0x11e7e4
  [6] DispatchEvent(0xefffe2b8, 0x759400, 0x10000, 0x0, 0x0, 0xffffffff), at 0xef495b80
  [7] DecideToDispatch(0xefffe2b8, 0x306404, 0x10000, 0x0, 0x759400, 0x0), at 0xef496228
  [8] XtDispatchEvent(0xefffe2b8, 0x0, 0x2d6ce0, 0x0, 0x1, 0x32dc00), at 0xef49640c
  [9] XtAppProcessEvent(0x32dc00, 0x0, 0x32ddcc, 0x32dc0c, 0x32ddc8, 0x1), at 0xef49ed18
  [10] drain_X_queue(0x28ee38, 0x27f400, 0x1c9cb, 0x0, 0xfffffff, 0x102b6004), at 0x11ed58
  [11] emacs_Xt_event_pending_p(0x1, 0x288038, 0x100110, 0x102b6004, 0x44ac00, 0x20572e0c), at 0x11ee9c
  [12] detect_input_pending(0x72094, 0xefffe6a8, 0x60, 0x259c44, 0xfffffff, 0x102cb894), at 0x7ad48
  [13] Finput_pending_p(0x7ae28, 0x0, 0xefffe6a8, 0x19ef40, 0x0, 0x1), at 0x7ae2c
  [14] funcall_recording_as(0x281ae0, 0xefffe6a8, 0x19e528, 0xefffe6a4, 0x19e598, 0x0), at 0x717d8
  [15] Fbyte_code(0x58a016, 0x99, 0xefffe69c, 0x1a1d34, 0x58a010, 0x58e904), at 0x4e9fc
  [16] funcall_lambda(0x586784, 0x0, 0xefffe8d0, 0x286800, 0xfffffff, 0x1), at 0x72760
  [17] funcall_recording_as(0x281ae0, 0xefffe8d0, 0x19e528, 0xefffe8cc, 0x19e598, 0x0), at 0x71838
  [18] run_hook_with_args_in_buffer(0x287db8, 0x288038, 0x5ce4ac, 0x0, 0xfffffff, 0x102b6004), at 0x72a9c
  [19] Frun_hooks(0x1, 0xefffe974, 0x0, 0x1, 0x0, 0x0), at 0x72838
  [20] run_hook(0x102cba44, 0x65c018, 0x65c00c, 0x6f158, 0x80, 0x0), at 0x72d40
  [21] catch_them_squirmers_run_hook(0x102cba44, 0xefffea04, 0x289000, 0x2098b604, 0x27c000, 0x286800), at 0x738fc
  [22] condition_case_1(0x102b6064, 0x738f8, 0x102cba44, 0x73728, 0x2098b634, 0xfffffff), at 0x6f1d0
  [23] safe_run_hook_trapping_errors(0x266080, 0x102cba44, 0x1, 0x286800, 0x1, 0xfffffff), at 0x73b7c
  [24] post_command_hook(0xfffffff, 0x288000, 0x102b6004, 0x102b6004, 0x1, 0x102080c8), at 0x7eb64
  [25] execute_command_event(0x2f9b00, 0x288038, 0x0, 0x286800, 0x350780, 0xfffffff), at 0x7ea10
  [26] Fdispatch_event(0x10916abc, 0x288038, 0x281800, 0x2f9b00, 0x350780, 0xffffc00), at 0x7f024
  [27] Fcommand_loop_1(0x281c00, 0x288000, 0x0, 0xfffffff, 0x27c000, 0x286800), at 0x56544
  [28] condition_case_1(0x102b6064, 0x5630c, 0x102b6004, 0x55c68, 0x102b6004, 0x0), at 0x6f1d0
  [29] command_loop_3(0x0, 0xefffee48, 0x6eddc, 0x6ede4, 0x102b6004, 0x0), at 0x55d68
  [30] command_loop_2(0x102b6004, 0x55d98, 0xefffeeb0, 0x73, 0x81010100, 0xefffec28), at 0x55d9c
  [31] internal_catch(0x102c8da4, 0x55d98, 0x102b6004, 0x0, 0x2f, 0x0), at 0x6ee24
  [32] initial_command_loop(0x2b0814, 0xfffffff, 0x3031abdc, 0x102f9bc0, 0x1, 0x102b6004), at 0x55fc8
  [33] main_1(0x288000, 0x102b6004, 0x2b0800, 0x2b0800, 0x0, 0xeffff0a4), at 0x6c308
  [34] main(0x1, 0xeffff0a4, 0xeffff0ac, 0x19a400, 0x1, 0x0), at 0x6c708
(debugger) dump
(debugger) 

Good Luck,

Adrian

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From: Hubert Palme <palme@wrin27.urz.uni-wuppertal.de>
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Hi all!

Can anyone explain me exactly the syntax of date specifications when
building a virtual folder an having a selector like "sent-before"?
Specifications like "5 Aug 1996" or "Aug 5, 1996" don't work. What
format do I have to use? Do I have to specify it as a string?

Thanks in advance,

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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> * David Masterson wrote:

>> In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could
>> then be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where
>> most Java will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of
>> extension via Java that Emacs allows via Lisp?

> I may be wrong, but I think that Java as it currently stands isn't really
> suited to this, or at least isn't really suited to the way I work with Emacs
> when I'm programming.

Possibly true.

> I don't think that Java has support for redefinition, which means you'd end
> up rebooting the system every time you wanted to make a change (rather than
> just an extension to what exists).  It's not satisfactory to me to reboot my
> emacs every time I make a typo in a function definition.

I'm not sure how good Java's support for redefinition is either, but perhaps
its not a problem.  Since Java is an extension language to the browsers, all
that is necessary (hopefully!) would be to rebuild the Java library with the
function definition and reload it into the browser.

Do current browsers and Java support even this model?

> Java also doesn't let you define methods for classes outside the class
> definition -- you have to subclass -- which is also not very nice for
> a resident environment.

Why?  Isn't the same thing true of Smalltalk?

> I expect that these problems could be fixed (maybe they have, its a
> couple of months since I read about Java), but I'd find it hard to
> work in an environment which doesn't have these features, compared to
> emacs.  Of course I may be unusual in how I treat emacs.

I doubt it.

I still think that using Java to create a clone of Emacs wouldn't buy you
much.  However, a different model might present new and interesting
challenges.
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I have a few irate developers hunting for me.  It seems that if I quit my 
session and Xemacs is up, it goes compute bound.  This is either:

a) a heretofor unreported bug; or

b) a known bug that I need a fix for (other than exitting XEmacs before I 
quit my session).

If b, how do I fix this?

chg

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David Masterson  wrote:
>Now that WWW has made it into the "big time", browsers for navigating around
>the World Wide Web are all the rage.  Through Java (et.al.), these browsers
>are beginning to experiment with the "extensions" idea that Emacs has been
>doing for ~20 years.  Perhaps the question, then, should be whether these
>browsers provide a similar type of environment for Java extensions as the
>Emacs editing environment did for Lisp.  If so, then perhaps an editor
>"extension" in Java could be developed for the browsers rather than build a
>total new editing environment in Java that will then be extended via Java.

Getting an editor written in Java to act as an applet in a browser shouldn't 
be too difficult, although with the standard security setting you probably 
couldn't do much with it. (no local file access, you know.) In any case, it 
wouldn't be any more powerful than a standalone java editor. I don't see any 
advantage, exept maybe as a demo in a web page.

You can't extend the browser to act like an editor, if that's what you meant. 
They just aren't designed with that in mind.

>In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
>be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
>will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
>that Emacs allows via Lisp?

Applets extend browsers like elisp extends emacs,  but they are extensions to 
a browser, not an editor. The fact that I have an extensible browser doesn't 
bring me any closer to having an extensible editor. What we need is an EDITOR 
that is extensible. Thankfully, this isn't difficult if we write it in Java.

-Eugene

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Hi,

this is

XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-free-linux2.0.0)

if I try to load a file in batch-mode, xemacs simply doesn't:

$ xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file message.texi -l texinfmt -f \
texinfo-every-node-update -f texinfo-format-buffer -f save-buffer

all it says is "Loading texinfo...", the same as if the file was new
(it exists!). The following works:

$ xemacs-19.14 -batch -q -no-site-file -eval '(find-file "gnus.texi")' \
-f texinfo-every-node-update -f texinfo-format-buffer -f save-buffer

How can I invest further?

	Robbe

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Hello,

I have recently installed Linux on my PC and I would like to run XEmacs
using the auctex macros. I have both, the xemacs and the auctex macros, on
my harddisk, but when I load a ".tex" file into the editor, I only get the
normal tex-mode. 

I do not know how to switch to auctex. On the machine in the institute,
emacs switches automatically to auctex when a TeX-file is loaded.

Sorry, I guess this is a faq, but I could not find anything appropriate.

Please send me an email if you can help. Thanks in advance, 

yours, Tobias

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steger@WILLEY.tautron.com (Thomas Steger) writes:
> > It's [%] the only useful vi function that has no clear Emacs analog.
> >
> 
> Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last command).
> I'm sure someone has found an analogue. There is a dot-mode
> function, but it is undocumented, so thTs line in my .emacs file doesn't
> help:  (autoload 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)

Hmm... I don't think that's part of the standard XEmacs distribution
(I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

The trouble with "." (and I do have a vague idea what this one does)
is that, because emacs is modeless there is no clear idea of what "the
last insert" was. I did once produce an equivalent which looked back
at the keyboard history until the last char that wasn't bound to
self-insert, concatenated that characters and inserted that but that
hack has disappeared into the mists of time. Also experience suggessts
that it was wrong more often than not in what you want to insert.

The emacs way requires forethought and the use of registers or
keyboard macros.

TTFN

Paul


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Hello Ben, Lennart, Everybody!

I would like to report what I think is an integration issue within
PSGML.

$Id: psgml.el,v 2.15 1996/01/27 22:27:02 lenst Exp $
has ...
(define-key sgml-mode-map "\C-c-"    'sgml-untag-element)

psgml-html.el distributed with XEmacs-19.14
has ...
   (entity  "\C-c-"   "&shy;"           "Soft Hyphen"     ("&shy;"))

This leads to the following key map collision as observed by
C-H m in html-mode:

C-c -		tempo-template-html-soft-hyphen
C-c -		sgml-untag-element

Personally I find the latter more useful, but the first one prevails.
I's like to suggest to bind these functions to different keys.

---

Oh, and thanks for this great editing mode!
It makes it real easy to write all documentation in HTML from the start.
I love the integrated parser and validation features.

Thank You,

Adrian

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This works in emacs, but not in XEmacs.  So I figured that you
should be the one pestered with this report.

If I locally set font-lock-defaults for a major-mode, 

e.g.

  (setq font-lock-defaults
   '((font-latex-keywords
      font-latex-keywords-1 font-latex-keywords-2
      font-latex-keywords-3 font-latex-keywords-4)
     nil           ;;; Keywords only? No, let it do syntax via table.
     nil           ;;; case-fold?
     ((?$ . "\"")) ;;; Sets $...$ to string syntax
     nil           ;;; Use `backward-paragraph' ?
     (font-lock-comment-start-regexp . "%")
     (font-lock-mark-block-function . mark-paragraph)))

then:

 1) The value of font-lock-maximum-decoration is ignored and the lowest
    level is fontified.

 2) The `Options' pull-down menu followed by `Syntax Highlighting' menu
    have the `Least' to `Most' item grayed out (not useable).

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I have noticed a couple of other postings about this but no answers yet.
I am running XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX 10.01. Print-buffers (whether from the 
menu or called from the minibuffer) does nothing except give messages in the 
minibuffer. The printer is an HP LaserJet 4M and receives both TCP/IP and 
LocalTalk input.

I have the following in my .emacs file:

(setq lpr-command "lp")
(setq lpr-switches '("-dhp4lj -o2up"))

I have tried several other variations on the lpr-switches with the same 
outcome.

Pretty Print works fine, but that requires a postscript printer. 


Are there any suggested work arounds for this? 

Thanks.
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Martin Buchholz  <mrb@eng.sun.com> wrote:
>jhaugen@simtech.com writes:
>> When I first startup xemacs, there is no noticible delay. By the end
>> of the day, there is a multi-second delay.
>> 
>> During this delay, my perfmeter shows the cpu usage maxing out.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for finding this anomaly?
>
>Try running XEmacs under truss.  If it's stuck in the kernel, truss
>should let you know what it's doing.  Mail me if you get something useful.

Note that you can wait until emacs starts `misbehaving', and then use truss
to attach to the process...

Lee

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In article <yzsafwg8f5z.fsf@exu.ericsson.se>, Shyamal Prasad <exushml@exu.ericsson.se>
        <31EEB597.69D8@netscape.com> <31EF12FF.7B5B@columbia.edu>
        <4st4b4$b44@shellx.best.com> <31F3469A.2C8C@columbia.edu>
        <4t3bvm$m8r@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> <DvDLsx.6B@world.std.com> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>This is probably my second post to this thread. I watched it start
>from my corner in comp.emacs and I can't help but post again. It will
>soon be clear that I do not know enough about Java, but I like to
>think that I know Emacs.
>[...]
>Consider:
>
>    "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes about a java
>                based editor:
>
>    Eugene> This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be
>    Eugene> composed of normal Java objects, and be extended by normal
>    Eugene> Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.
>
>How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor that does
>everything Emacs does and then some could be more than, oh, say 20%
>smaller? I really doubt it. Okay, so you can bring it down 50%? You
>can fit a editor, class browser, mail and news reader, web browser,
>compilation environment into 4 megs of core with debug information and
>make it dynamically customizable? If you can, go for it!

Here is a point where (no offense) you don't know enough about Java. You CAN 
write a small, extensible editor as a .class file that coould be less than 
even a single megabyte, by itself. The key is that the extensibility is all 
there is to it: it doesn't come with all the extensions hard-wired in. The 
extensions are loaded seperately and dynamically as needed, and NOT LOADED 
when they are not needed. Furthermore, you would be able to load different 
extensions from different places, perhapse even different hemispheres of the 
planet, over the network. The editor itself would be tiny, but it would appear 
to be huge, because the entire world would be your extension library. Indeed, 
if you considered all these resources spread across the planet as "part of the 
editor", then it could be, in a sense, an editor too large to fit onto any 
single computer. Yet the most important part, the extensible core, should fit 
on a single floppy disk.

It would be almost impossible to jury-rig these capabilities into emacs as it 
is: in java, this would be almost embarrassingly easy.

>Also, what advantage does one get from extending an editor "with Java
>objects" as opposed to "with elisp functions" (yes, "functions", not
>"bytecodes" please, or I would have to say you are extending your java
>editor with "java bytecode").

The advantage here is simply that java already comes, by definition, with a 
Java interpereter. If you want to write an Elisp interpereter in Java, or an 
Elisp to Java-bytecode compiler, be my guest. Either could be made to work 
with an editor written in extesible Java, but there is no reason to tie the 
editor to a single elisp interpereter. Indeed, you could have several 
different interpereters running several different extensions for the same 
editor!

>    Eugene> It should revolve around a "buffer" object, which would be
>    Eugene> a subclass of control so you could mix it in with buttons
>    Eugene> and things in any window.  A default editor environment
>    Eugene> that allows a user to open multiple buffers should be
>    Eugene> provided, but the tools should all be there for anyone to
>    Eugene> implement their own editor environment. Emacs was
>    Eugene> customizable, within limits. If we plan this right from
>    Eugene> square one, we may not have as many limits.
>
>Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
>tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see
>applications that do this try W3 (the web browser), or URL
>highlighting in the GNUS newsreader, or see how the Hyperbole package
>embeds buttons in documents.

No, Emacs has the INSPIRATION for the buffer object I want, but it cannot run 
inside Java or communicate with other Java objects like what I want. 

> I agree the Emacs way is not the cleanest
>way to do things, but I don't think it is broken.....yet(!). 

I'm not saying Emacs is broken. It has years of useful life left in it, simply 
because so much work and love has gone into it. However, it's days are 
numbered, as all software is, and we should start thinking now about it's 
successor if we want to have a working replacement ready when Emacs does pass 
on.

>    Eugene> For instance: one common operation in a programmer's
>    Eugene> editor is to run a selected area of text through a
>    Eugene> filter. We could define our own filter interface, but
>    Eugene> there are already perfectly good FilterInputStream and
>    Eugene> FilterOutputStream objects defined in java.io...
>
>It is strange that you picked this operation. The concept you describe
>is well supported in Emacs. It takes only a bit of lisp to do this. In
>fact I can take a region of text, pass it a process, and replace the
>region with what the process sends me. With KEYSTROKES! I will admit
>that the OO features of Java help, but how much?

I picked this concept because I knew it would be familiar with Emacs users. 
Filtering is one of the most common operations. However, in Emacs you deal 
with processes, not FilterInputStream objects written in Java. Same concept, 
different worlds. I want to apply the same thinking I find in Emacs to Java.

>Well, about the only reason to rewrite emacs in java would be the
>gratification of writing a clean, OO system. That is wonderful, but
>where is the pay off in terms of functionality. Take a look at emacs
>elisp software - in most cases the design is beautiful, the language
>is beautiful and it is all a pleasure to work with. There is a lot of
>gratification that comes from writing a clean elisp application. Try
>it!

I have tried it, and I do like it! That is why I believe the people who did it 
could appreciate the finer points of Java. However, as good as it is, it is 
beginning to show it's age. It's designed for dumb terminals connected to 
serial lines, not smart clients on a network. It isn't object-oriented, 
multi-threaded, or network-aware. It is very good at what it does, but what it 
does was determined nearly twenty years ago.

>    Eugene> Emacs owes it's flexibility to a library of utilities
>    Eugene> contributed by a large, yet statistically miniscule group
>    Eugene> of people. Imagine if we had access to libraries with the
>    Eugene> full weight and enthusiasm of Java itself behind them!
>
>You forget a very important fact: the reason that Emacs is used by a
>"statistically miniscule" group of people is that to use Emacs almost
>requires that you be a programmer. To use Emacs at its best also
>requires that you be a pretty good programmer :( Forgive me for any
>ignorance I display here, but is the same not true of java? We all
>know that OO programming is very HARD (and those that don't know this
>will learn one day), so why would a java based emacs be better than an
>elisp based emacs?

I am not suggesting that the unwashed masses will ever be interested in 
anything like Emacs. We will always be statistically miniscule: the cream of 
the crop always is.  ;-)   However, we WILL take advantage of a large body of 
work written for JAVA IN GENERAL, much like Emacs leverages off of other 
people's work in UNIX by launching shell commands, only more tightly 
integrated, and not dependant on a single operating system.

 Only emacs users write elisp filters for emacs, but thousands of programmers, 
some of whom will be among the best in the world, will be paid to write stuff 
for Java that coincidentally will be compatible with this editor. Companies 
like Sun and IBM will roll out the big bucks to produce libraries that YOU, 
the java-emacs programmer, will have direct access to. How's that for 
incentive?

-Eugene

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In vm, when I kill all message of the same subject, I want vm to ignore
<space>(any parenthetical text goes here)<end of line>.  I've tried:

(set vm-subject-ignored-suffix "\\( (fwd)\\| (.*)\\| \\)+$")
and
(set vm-subject-ignored-suffix "\\( (fwd)\\| (\\.\\*)\\| \\)+$")
Any ideas?

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Allen M. Cohen (amc@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com) wrote:
: I'm at home, so I don't have access to XEmacs, but if you do hyper-apropos
: and type 'backup', you should see some variables which say how many old
: and new backups to keep.

: Also in dired-mode, if you type '~' followed by 'x', all backups will be
: deleted.

SORRY, but sould have been hyper-apropos on "versions".

Try, something like:
(setq
    version-control     t
    kept-old-versions   2
    kept-new-versions   4
    delete-old-versions t)
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Steger <steger@WILLEY.tautron.com> writes:

Thomas> Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last
Thomas> command).

Paul> Hmm... I don't think that's part of the standard XEmacs distribution
Paul> (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

Paul> The trouble with "."  is that, because emacs is modeless there
Paul> is no clear idea of what "the last insert" was.

Yes.  The closest analogous operation is repeat-complex-command, but
it is not very similar to vi's `.'.  In many cases one can achieve the
same effect with replace-(string|regexp) or (better IMHO)
query-replace-(string|regexp).

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From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor@noname.guardian.no>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: xoobr
Date: 05 Aug 1996 01:48:52 +0200
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Rajiv Saxena <saxena@easi.com> writes:
> Can somebody tell me where to find xoobr, the 
> graphical OO browser to be used with xemacs19-14?
> 

It's in /usr/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/tree-x. You have to compile it
yourself though.

By the way, does anybody know where bugs/fixes to oobr should be
reported? It seems like the mailinglist oo-browser@hub.ucsb.edu is
dead.

astor

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I've just installed tm7.75 which I use with mh-e.
It seems to be responsible for splitting my outgoing messages into
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file and send mail with mh-smail. Any help would be appreciated.

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From: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Patch to improve XEmacs 19.14's CDE support
Date: 05 Aug 1996 19:17:54 -0700
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The following patch adds to XEmacs 19.14 the capability to act as a
drop site for buffers under CDE, as well as filenames.  This allows
XEmacs to, for example, accept drops of calendar appointments from the
CDE Calendar Manager, or to accept drops of attachments from the CDE
Mail Tool.

The Lisp-level support is a little primitive (I'd be happier if it
inserted whatever was dropped right under the mouse, rather than at
point), but it works.

	<b

*** src/frame.c.~1~	Fri Jun 21 20:19:12 1996
--- src/frame.c	Mon Aug  5 19:11:03 1996
***************
*** 3060,3066 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_CDE
    DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
  Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
! Each function is called with two args, a frame and a pathname.
  */ );
    Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
  #endif
--- 3060,3069 ----
  #ifdef HAVE_CDE
    DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
  Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
! Each function is called with either two or three args.  If called with
! two args, the args are a frame and a pathname.  If with three, the
! args are a frame, a pathname and the textual representation of the
! dragged object.
  */ );
    Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
  #endif
*** src/frame-x.c.~1~	Fri Jun 21 20:46:02 1996
--- src/frame-x.c	Mon Aug  5 18:52:04 1996
***************
*** 941,947 ****
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
--- 941,947 ----
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath, *buf, *data;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
***************
*** 965,970 ****
--- 965,981 ----
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
+   if (transferInfo->dropData->protocol == DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER)
+     {
+       for (ii = 0; ii < transferInfo->dropData->numItems; ii++)
+ 	{
+ 	  filePath = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].name;
+ 	  path = make_string (filePath, strlen (filePath));
+ 	  buf = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].bp;
+ 	  data = make_string (buf, transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].size);
+ 	  va_run_hook_with_args(Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 3, frame, path, data);
+ 	}
+     }
    
    UNGCPRO;
    return;
***************
*** 1631,1639 ****
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
! 			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER,
! 			 XmDROP_COPY,
! 			 dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }
--- 1642,1650 ----
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
! 			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER | DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER,
! 			 XmDROP_COPY, dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
! 			 DtNtextIsBuffer, True,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }
*** lisp/prim/frame.el.~1~	Mon Jun 17 07:02:12 1996
--- lisp/prim/frame.el	Mon Aug  5 19:08:55 1996
***************
*** 773,787 ****
  (or deselect-frame-hook
      (add-hook 'deselect-frame-hook 'default-deselect-frame-hook))
  
! (defun default-drag-and-drop-functions (frame filepath)
    "Implements the `drag-and-drop-functions' variable.
  For use as the value of `drag-and-drop-functions'.
! This default simply pops up the file in the selected frame."
!   (let ((x pop-up-windows))
      (setq pop-up-windows nil)
      (pop-to-buffer (find-file-noselect filepath) nil frame)
      (make-frame-visible frame)
!     (setq pop-up-windows x)))
  
  (and (boundp 'drag-and-drop-functions)
       (or drag-and-drop-functions
--- 773,791 ----
  (or deselect-frame-hook
      (add-hook 'deselect-frame-hook 'default-deselect-frame-hook))
  
! (defun default-drag-and-drop-functions (frame filepath &optional data)
    "Implements the `drag-and-drop-functions' variable.
  For use as the value of `drag-and-drop-functions'.
! This default simply pops up a file in the selected frame or, if the
! dragged object is a buffer, inserts it at point."
!   (if data
!       (progn
! 	(insert data))
!     (let ((x pop-up-windows))
      (setq pop-up-windows nil)
      (pop-to-buffer (find-file-noselect filepath) nil frame)
      (make-frame-visible frame)
!     (setq pop-up-windows x))))
  
  (and (boundp 'drag-and-drop-functions)
       (or drag-and-drop-functions

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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In article <4u3sv6$rhe@news.liberty.com> johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam) writes:

> java is a compiled language which means it loses many of the benefits of 
> error checking/handling/recovery
Excuse me, but this is a piece of crapola. Compilation doesn't have direct
relation to these things. Now, traditionally compiled languages have had
stronger type systems than interpreted languages, but this speaks in the
opposite direction. Some people complain that the type system of eg C++ is
too inflexible (especially for prototyping), but not that it's too weak!
On the otehr hand, some compiled languages tend to compile away the type
info, so it's not present at runtime. But this is only done for type info
that's not needed since every operation is already checked.

> and garbage collection
Nor is there a direct connection between compilation and GC. There are GCs
for C available.

> the byte-compile is not really compiled per se - i'd call it
> `pre-digested' by the parser
And what exactly is the difference in status between the Java bytecode and
the ELisp bytecode? I'm not sure, but I can imagine there's quite a lot of
C support for elisp bytecode, which can be likened to the Java VM.

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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:
>>>>> "Shyamal" == Shyamal Prasad <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> writes:

Eugene> This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be
Eugene> composed of normal Java objects, and be extended by normal
Eugene> Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.

Shyamal> How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor
Shyamal> that does everything Emacs does and then some could be more
Shyamal> than, oh, say 20% smaller? I really doubt it. Okay, so you
Shyamal> can bring it down 50%? You can fit a editor, class browser,
Shyamal> mail and news reader, web browser, compilation environment
Shyamal> into 4 megs of core with debug information and make it
Shyamal> dynamically customizable? If you can, go for it!

Eugene> Here is a point where (no offense) you don't know enough about
Eugene> Java. You CAN write a small, extensible editor as a .class file
Eugene> that coould be less than even a single megabyte, by itself.

Not even close.  Unless you wish to compare apples and oranges, you
must consider the Java interpreter as well.  (On a Linux/ELF system)
the Java interpreter is:
1069268 302771  12952   1384991 15221f  /usr/local/java/bin/i586/java
(1.3MB)

Compared to the equivalent XEmacs entity temacs:
958342  791547  170112  1920001 1d4c01  /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/temacs
(1.9MB)

Granted the core of XEmacs is 50% larger, but since it includes
builtin much of what you are going to load into Java anyway, it's
probably not a great deal.

I want all of the Java advocates to note how close the core sizes
really are.

Eugene> Yet the most important part, the extensible core, should fit on
Eugene> a single floppy disk.

(Don't they have 2MB floppies now?)

If you want to rewrite an extensible editor like Emacs in Java for the
chance to reengineer some of the accumulated inevitable code brain
damage that sets in on any long lived program (Brook's Law), that
different than justifying Java for the sake of the architecture.

Emacs *has* the architecture you're advocating.  (I will admit that
the memory reuse on feature unload could be better, but is Java's any
better right now?)  There is a small(ish) core and the rest of it is
load on demand.  Wanting to replace the current 30MB lisp library with
code loaded over a wire doesn't change the fact that that 30MB of lisp
or Java is going to be sitting somewhere.

The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source
code model to closed, black box binary code.  What's the best way to
learn how to deal with a particular Emacs function?  Grep through the
lisp directory(ies) and find some contributed code that calls it.  If
you don't like the way something works, it can be changed, not always
easily but you're not held hostage by RMS or Chuck or anyone else.

Eugene> Only emacs users write elisp filters for emacs, but thousands
Eugene> of programmers, some of whom will be among the best in the world,
Eugene> will be paid to write stuff ...

This is a ridiculous, ignorant statement.  Who says that it will be
any better than the code done by folks who program because they enjoy
programming (and are among the best in the world)?

One last thing: Lisp as a language has withstood the test of time.  It
is a mature language that has proved time and again that it is capable
of performing in a wide variety of situations.  Over the years many
different languages have come with great fanfare and vanished quietly.
RMS made a very wise choice in the extension language for Emacs, and
perhaps in a couple of years we'll be having this same discussion
crossposted to comp.lang.the-next-programming-fad.  And perhaps not,
it's too early to tell.
-- 
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There has been some trouble keeping www.XEmacs.org up to date.  If you
have problems with the FAQ on it, please use the primary faq site at
www.miranova.com.

The FAQ this month contains a fair number of changes, but not nearly
as many as last month (thank goodness!).

As always, I welcome feedback of any sort.
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Subject: Re: Bug in new frame menu bar creation
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:
    Gail> I start up XEmacs with the following command in my .fvwmrc file:
    Gail> xemacs -g 81x58+480+20 -funcall vm &
    Gail> This causes XEmacs to start up in VM, which works just
    Gail> fine. However, I run into a problem when I create a new frame.
    Gail> I press the "XEmacs" button on the menu bar to give me the
    Gail> regular menu bar. Then I select File->New Frame (or press C-x 5
    Gail> 2). A new frame comes up, but it has the VM menu bar.
    Steven> I see the same behavior in w3 as well.  C-x 5 2 gives you a copy of
    Steven> the current frame, so I assume this is `correct' behavior.  What
    Steven> happens if you make a new frame with `C-x 5 b' or `C-x 5 f'?

No, it doesn't happen when I use those commands.

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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:
    Gail> I found a small mistake in the Gnus menu bar. In the Summary
    Gail> buffer, Misc-> Mark->Read->Mark_same_subject indicates that M K
    Gail> is key equivalent. This is wrong. The actual key equivalent is
    Gail> C-k.

    Steven> The keybinding shown is computed dynamically.  Both C-k and M K appear
    Steven> to be bound to gnus-summary-kill-same-subject, and indeed,
    Steven> `Misc->Mark->Read->Mark same subject' is bound to the command
    Steven> gnus-summary-kill-same-subject.  I doubt that easymenu is set up to
    Steven> recognize multiple key bindings.
    Steven> Basically, M K and C-k do the same thing, but only M K gets displayed
    Steven> on the menubar.

For me, M K is bound to edit-local-kill-file (or whatever the
command is). In fact, the Misc menu lists:

	Edit local kill file	M-k
	Edit main kill file	M-K

Is there a difference between M-K and M K? Even if there is, the
point is moot, since if there were (and I'm pretty sure there
isn't), it would be that M-K means to press Esc and K at the same
time and M K means to press Esc first. But if that's true, then I've
been using M k and M K and getting the command bound to M-k and M-K.

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In article <DvoGv0.FH4@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:

> you don't know enough about Java...
> extensions are loaded seperately and dynamically as needed
> you would be able to load different extensions from different places
> It would be almost impossible to jury-rig these capabilities into emacs

Excuse me, but you sound like you don't know enough about emacs. Emacs
*does* load extensions on demand (the require-provide mechanism), and it
would be very easy to allow loading from remote ftp sites. It's only a
matter of cultural artifact (nobody provides archives of .elc files) this
is not being done.

> java already comes, by definition, with a Java interpereter.
You don't think elisp is *not* an interpreter, do you?
However elisp (or any "symbolic computation" language) has the following
advantage over C-tradition languages: there's no compilation and (more
importantly) no linking. IDEs provide fast enough compilation, but linking
(sometimes even incremental linking) is often a bottleneck. I don't know
enough about Java to judge it on this point, but with elisp replacing a
function with a custommised version (or better yet, advising it to change
some of the behavior/interface) is as easy as evaluating a defun.

> there is no reason to tie the editor to a single elisp interpereter.
The same can be said of the Java VM. And of course, there are good reasons
to tie a program to a single language.

> It's designed for dumb terminals connected to serial lines
That's what it was designed for in the early eighties (and emacs does one
of the finest display speed optimisations of any existing program). But
it's gone a long way since then.

> not smart clients on a network.
This is a good argument. I find the transition from monolithic
single-machine programs to apps assembled from networked components
exciting. Let's talk about how well a program like an editor fits into this
view.

> what it does was determined nearly twenty years ago.
This is partly true. Emacs has such a great extension language and
environment that it seems people forget it's after all only an editor (well
ok, a text-processing environment). 99% of the people who hack emacs only
hack elisp and not C, but there's a ton of editor-specific things in the C
part. Not only editing primitives, but language primitives as well (eg
buffer-local variables). Now the question is, are we discussing a new
*editor*, or a new all-around undetermied-application-domain killer app?

> [Java is on the roll.]  How's that for incentive?
That's an argument. I'm not certain Java's techical advantages over
previous languages are so great, but it certainly has political/economic
advantages.

Editors are one of the first things one wants for their development
environments :-) And a task like emacs will be a great testbed for the
suitability of Java for large programs including lots of system
programming. 

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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
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Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 5


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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.3.7 was added on July 20.
    2. Q1.3.4, Q1.3.5 were updated on July 27.
       
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
               o Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff
                 to `lignux' like RMS did?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language? [updated]
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0 [updated]
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes? [new]
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
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                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
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Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
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Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?

   There are currently irreconcilable differences between RMS and the
   XEmacs development team. Ben Wing posted to comp.emacs.xemacs an
   explanation, reproduced at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-merge.html>.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 Is XEmacs going to rename the linux config stuff to `lignux'
	like RMS did?

   Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   No.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language? [updated]

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0
	[updated]

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes? [new]

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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Disclaimer: I used to be a Lisp hacker. I love Lisp. I still use emacs,
I would love to see emacs written in Java, and I work for Sun. 

[As an anecdote: James Gosling, who invented Java, wrote one of the 
original version of Emacs for Unix]

> Emacs *has* the architecture you're advocating.  (I will admit that
> the memory reuse on feature unload could be better, but is Java's any
> better right now?)  

Java is a lot younger than the Emacs effort, and these sort of features
comparison are a little unfair. Unloading is going to be added extremely
soon. There is alot of pressure for many of these sort of features.

> There is a small(ish) core and the rest of it is
> load on demand.  Wanting to replace the current 30MB lisp library with
> code loaded over a wire doesn't change the fact that that 30MB of lisp
> or Java is going to be sitting somewhere.

Indeed, on a server machine, where it belongs. And you'll load only what 
you need (at least that's the idea :-)

> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source
> code model to closed, black box binary code.  

It's sort of scary to see people on comp.lang.java (or maybe you're
posting
from comp.*emacs) saying that Java is a closed binary black box. We do
make
the source code available. We do let numerous parties participate in the 
design and we listen to feedback and RFEs (while retaining control, for
the
sake of coherence and hygiene).

Furthermore, the issue of control of the language is somewhat
irrelevant. 
SCL (Symbolics Common Lisp) was proprietary and without source. Nothing 
would have stopped someone from rewriting Zmacs in SCL, and to publish
the source to the application, which is all you need to figure out how 
things in Emacs work.

But we make the Java source available, so this is irrelvant.

Java is just another language, and it's a platform, etc, etc. But the 
bottom  line is that it's a good language, it's got a lot of support. 
Lisp was a great language, but Java has acheived greater penetration (in 
number of  interpreters or name recognition) than Lisp ever has. It is 
imho) a better language for most uses (smaller, faster, easier to learn, 
fully OO, just as fun to program in, etc). And I would love to see Emacs 
written in Java.

-- br

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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.0.4 was removed.
       
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop [updated]
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages? [updated]

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.8.5was updated on July 26.
    2. Q3.8.6 was removed on July 27.
    3. Q3.0.5, Q3.1.2, Q3.1.7, Q3.2.1, Q3.3.5, and Q3.9.1 were updated on
       July 27.
       
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
                 [updated]
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display? [updated]
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives? [updated]
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
                 [updated]
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off?
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used? [updated]
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off? [updated]
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [updated]
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off?
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined? [updated]

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives? [updated]

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults? [updated]

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn this off?

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used? [updated]

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p t)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off? [updated]

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar? [updated]

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off?

   I don't know.
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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.3.11 was added on July 12.
    2. Q5.0.19 was added on July 18.
    3. Q5.3.11 was added on July 25.
    4. Q5.0.9, Q5.0.14, and Q5.3.10 were updated on July 27.
    5. Q5.3.6 was removed on July 27.
       
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode? [updated]
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame?
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
                 [updated]
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode? [new]
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs?
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
                 [updated]
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories? [new]
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode? [updated]

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame?

   If you set the gnuserv-screen variable to the frame that should be
   used to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-screen (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode? [new]

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs?

   The real question might be rephrased as When should one use the quoted
   list, vector, or escaped string representations of key sequences? Is
   there any particular advantage to one representation over another?
   Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> writes (with additional comments
   by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>):
   
   (meta a)
          is a convenience shorthand for the sequence [(meta a)].
          (global-set-key 'a 'foo) means the same thing as
          (global-set-key '[a] 'foo). It could be argued that allowing
          such a shorthand just leads to sloppiness and bugs, but it's
          there, and it isn't likely to go away.
          
          Per: Since it is not supported by GNU Emacs it should be
          avoided.
          
   [(meta a)]
          is The Right Thing. It corresponds in a one-to-one way with the
          internal representation of key-sequences in keymaps.
          
          Per: This is supported by both GNU Emacs since 19.29 and
          XEmacs. Use this.
          
   [ ?\M-a ]
          is typical GNU Emacs 19 brain damage. As is usual, an existing,
          functional design is ignored (XEmacs) and an incompatible and
          technically worse kludge is used.
          
   "\ea"
          is compatible with Emacs 18, but suffers from ASCII Seven-Bit
          Brain Damage. I also find it harder to read. Use this if you're
          trying to write code which works in every Emacs, but be aware
          that you can not express all possible key-sequences (control-9,
          f1, etc.) using this.
          
          Per: This is the only syntax that will work in Emacs 18.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines? [updated]

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories? [new]

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.0.12 was added on July 11.
    2. Q2.1.15 was updated on July 17.
    3. Q2.1.20 was added on July 20.
    4. Q2.1.18 was updated on July 21.
    5. Q2.1.21 was updated on July 26.
    6. Q2.0.9, Q2.1.4, and Q2.1.8 were updated on July 27.
       
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [updated]
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [new]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
                 [updated]
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why! [updated]
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
                 [updated]
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10 [updated]
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show [new]
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes [new]
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries? [updated]

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [new]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts? [updated]

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why! [updated]

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger [updated]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10 [updated]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show [new]

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes [new]

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

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> 
> A lot of people have been discussing the reimplementation of Emacs in Java
> (myself included).  It occurs to me, though, that we may be looking at this
> from the wrong end...
> 
> Emacs began life as a "simple" line editor (TECO if memory serves) that was
> then extended to do visual editing and then, via macros (Editor MACroS), to do
> other interesting things (Info, Calendar, Rmail, Gnews, etc.).  When the OSes
> that Emacs was working on went away (Tenex/Twenex) went away, Emacs rose from
> the ashes rewritten for UNIX with a Lisp extension language.
> 
> However, perhaps due to its history, it was still an editor with an extension
> language!  The language (Lisp) was extremely powerful, but the editor part
> gave the "extensions" an environment in which to play in.  When developing
> something with Emacs Lisp, the purpose was usual fixed in the notion of
> providing some extension to the editing environment of Emacs.
> 
> Now that WWW has made it into the "big time", browsers for navigating around
> the World Wide Web are all the rage.  Through Java (et.al.), these browsers
> are beginning to experiment with the "extensions" idea that Emacs has been
> doing for ~20 years.  Perhaps the question, then, should be whether these
> browsers provide a similar type of environment for Java extensions as the
> Emacs editing environment did for Lisp.  If so, then perhaps an editor
> "extension" in Java could be developed for the browsers rather than build a
> total new editing environment in Java that will then be extended via Java.
> 
> In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
> be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
> will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
> that Emacs allows via Lisp?
> 

That's exactly what i had in mind when i started this thread. 

> >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> >>>>> writes:
> 
> > I do not really see why a Java reimplementation of Emacs would be any
> > better than a Lisp reimplementation (even perhaps using a few more OO
> > based constructs of newer Lisp dialects).
> 
> If you start with the same requirements as Emacs, then perhaps a Java
> reimplementation wouldn't buy you much.  
> 
> > The only problem is that Emacs is far too large for an all-around
> > reimplementation by now. But the same problem would arise with a
> > reimplementation in Java.
> 
> That's why it may be more appropriate to look for a "large" environment
> available now that could be "extended" with Java as completely as the Emacs
> editing environment could be with Lisp.
> 
> Hmmmm.  Could this be the HotJava concept?

Yes i think so. HotJava gives you a framework to build your own "web based" applications. 
I will take a closer look at it if it's usefull to build an editor. 



Markus


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eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:

[...]
> 
> Getting an editor written in Java to act as an applet in a browser shouldn't 
> be too difficult, although with the standard security setting you probably 
> couldn't do much with it. (no local file access, you know.) In any case, it 
> wouldn't be any more powerful than a standalone java editor. I don't see any 
> advantage, exept maybe as a demo in a web page.
> 

At the moment we have a browser centric view of the web. This must not always be 
so. INMHO we need applications which are "web enabled", which means you can look 
at html pages, but you can also simply upgrade your application via the web with
a simple mouse click. 

> You can't extend the browser to act like an editor, if that's what you meant. 
> They just aren't designed with that in mind.
> 
> >In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
> >be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
> >will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
> >that Emacs allows via Lisp?
> 
> Applets extend browsers like elisp extends emacs,  but they are extensions to 
> a browser, not an editor. The fact that I have an extensible browser doesn't 
> bring me any closer to having an extensible editor. What we need is an EDITOR 
> that is extensible. Thankfully, this isn't difficult if we write it in Java.
> 

Has to be proved.

Markus

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fin@subzero.winternet.com (Craig A. Finseth) writes:
[...]
> Shyamal Prasad  <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> wrote:
> 	...
> >However, I am having a hard time quantifying what java will bring to
> >emacs that is so much better. A new design in java will certainly be
> 
> It's being embedded into a lot of environments.
> 
> >    Eugene> This editor should be small, but extensible. It should be
> >    Eugene> composed of normal Java objects, and be extended by normal
> >    Eugene> Java objects, not elisp bytecodes.
> >
> >How small is small? Does any one really think that an editor that does
> 
> The core buffer functionality should be fairly small.  Of course,
> EVERYTHING would probably be about the same size.  But one person
> doesn't necessarily use EVERYTHING.
> 

Right. (x)emacs has a somewhat monolithic design. 

> >Also, what advantage does one get from extending an editor "with Java
> >objects" as opposed to "with elisp functions" (yes, "functions", not
> 
> I can then use these classes with _other_ Java programs.  _That_ would
> be neat!  (Sort of like the original Unix philosophy.)
>

Also Right. The more applications you have the more you save through reuse
of java classes. 
  

> 	...
> >    Eugene> implement their own editor environment. Emacs was
> >    Eugene> customizable, within limits. If we plan this right from
> >    Eugene> square one, we may not have as many limits.
> 
> This is exactly the point!  The idea is to implement the spirit of
> Emacs in Java.  I will say this once:
> 
> 	THE SPIRIT OF EMACS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LISP!
>

Completly right. 
 
> Lisp is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
> 
> 	...
> >Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
> >tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see
> 
> And none of these are in the slightest useful to me when working in a
> Java environment.
> 
> No one is saying that we should throw out the exising Unix-oriented
> Emacs (and, porting aside, it is very Unix-oriented).
> 

Another good point. Windows NT will become more important in the future.  

> Rather, the proposal (which I agree with 100%), is to adapt the virus
> (er, program) to a new environment.
> 
> Personally, I've gotten used to having my Emacs available on my
> palmtop and use it extensively for light editing.  But my next palmtop
> will probably be Java-based (or some equivalent environment), and I
> want my Emacs there!
> 
> Craig


Markus
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dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:

> 
> 
> I noticed quite a few people here hot about reimplementation of Emacs
> in Java bemoan that Emacs has no clean interfaces, no good
> encapsulation, and so on.
> 
> This takes me back to the best way to write a program: first write it
> and work on it until it has all the basic functionality you need.
> 

Ok, emacs is here and now  ?

> Then scrap it.
> 

I wouldn't scrap emacs. 

> The second attempt will be lots cleaner.
> 

Right. I think we can learn from emacs some very nice concepts. We also know which 
 functionality we would like to have. Simply look at emacs.  

> I do not really see why a Java reimplementation of Emacs would be any
> better than a Lisp reimplementation (even perhaps using a few more OO
> based constructs of newer Lisp dialects).
> 


With Java you will have a lot classes available for reuse. So, you will have
less work. 

> The only problem is that Emacs is far too large for an all-around
> reimplementation by now. But the same problem would arise with a
> reimplementation in Java.

See above. IMHO a small but portable editor would be nice. For example reimplementing
a web browser seems to be not really necessary because there is already HotJava. 

Markus 


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Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> 
> >>>>> Craig A Finseth writes:
> 
>   Craig> [...] Of course Emacs works.  Works just fine on current Unix
>   Craig> systems (and a lot of others).  But how much effort is being
>   Craig> put into porting it to new environments?  How long until the
>   Craig> current environments change to the point where the current
>   Craig> Emacs _doesn't_ work? [...]
> 
> Emacs works on MS DOS.  Emacs works on Windows NT.  

Yes but it's not so easy to port to different platforms. 

>This is a ten year
> difference.  Therefore, it would be reasonable to predict that Emacs
> will be working on the systems ten years from now.  (AFAIK, Emacs is
> older than MS DOS.)
> 
> I wouldn't want to predict anything about Java in three years!
> 

I would !
Java will be very important !

Why ? 

Because even Microsoft invests in Java ( J++) ;-)

Because you can be as productive as in  Smalltalk or Lisp, but your programs 
(could) run as fast as in C++ or C ( mainly because you have a type checking system). 

I'm really a Smalltalk fan, but i believe Java will blow away it.   



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From: Carsten Hess <carsten@proventum.net>
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Subject: html-helper-mode and tables
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Does anyone know of any extensions to, or newer versions of html-helper-mode by Nelson
Minar, that supports HTML-tables, coz i really need it, and i din't have the faintest
idea of how to write it :(
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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@ludde.isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Latest working version of tm?
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I'm using tm7.68 right now and it is quite OK. I have downloaded the latest
version (7.75), but I get the following error when I try to send a
multipart message:

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)
  mime-editor/normalize-body()
  mime-editor/translate-region(112 390 "Multipart_Tue_Aug__6_12:13:23_1996-=
1")
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  call-interactively(vm-mail-send-and-exit)

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In article <ygb20hnebny.fsf@dawa.demon.co.uk>, Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
->Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
->
->> 
->> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
->> something like the % command in VI.
->> 
->> Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
->
->Not being a vi hacker I'v no idea what % does. However
->
->M-C-f moves forward over balanced parens (forward-sexp)
->M-C-b moves backward over balanced parens (backward-sexp)
->
->and the options menu contains a section on "paren matching"
->
->Regards
->
->Paul Flinders

Also, in c/c++font mode: (it's also on the menu when running mode)

M-a             c-beginning-of-statement  (forward statement)
M-e             c-end-of-statement        (backward statement)
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From: Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk>
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I'm sure this must have come up before, but I haven't seen it, so I'll
have to ask.

In AucTeX, has anyone implemented making \include , \input ,
\includegraphics, \usepackage etc commands have their arguments as
hypertext buttons, as URLs are in the more recent versions of the VM
and gnus modes for XEmacs.  This would be useful for navigating round
a multi-file document.  I am surprised it is not in AucTeX already as
it provides other support for multi-file documents.

If I have missed it in the info/FAQ, please point your towards the
answer.   Otherwise, can anybody help - my elisp is not anywhere near
good enough to attempt that yet.

Pete

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From: Michael Rietz <rietz@afmp03.mppmu.mpg.de>
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Subject: problems adding private holidays in calendar
Date: 06 Aug 1996 11:50:45 +0100
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Hi,

I tried adding local holidays. I started defining them as local-holidays
like following (I tried defvar first)

(setq  local-holidays 
  '((holiday-fixed  7 14 "Bastille Day")
    (holiday-fixed  5  1 "Tag der Arbeit")
    (holiday-fixed  6 17 "Alter Tag der deutschen Einheit")
    (holiday-fixed 10  3 "Tag der deutschen Einheit")
    (holiday-fixed 11  1 "Allerheiligen")
    (holiday-fixed 11  2 "Allerseelen")
    (holiday-fixed 11 17 "Volkstrauertag")
    (holiday-float 11  3 1 "Busz- und Bettag")))

this yields to this 

local-holidays's value is ((holiday-fixed 7 14 "Bastille Day") (holiday-fixed 5 1 "Tag der Arbeit") (holiday-fixed 6 17 "Alter Tag der deutschen Einheit") (holiday-fixed 10 3 "Tag der deutschen Einheit") (holiday-fixed 11 1 "Allerheiligen") (holiday-fixed 11 2 "Allerseelen") (holiday-fixed 11 17 "Volkstrauertag") (holiday-float 11 3 1 "Busz- und Bettag"))
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Local holidays.
See the documentation for `calendar-holidays' for details.


but the holidays are not mentioned by the calendar package....

I also tried to extend the general list but this also failed...

Never the less I can't find the documentation for `calendar-holidays'

If anyone can tell me what I'm doing wrong please let me know.

Thanks in advance

Michael


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From: Ivan Oakes <ivano@hpsqf.sqf.hp.com>
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Subject: Separate Minibuffer With gnuserv How?
Date: 6 Aug 1996 08:34:40 GMT
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I use the following to get a separate minibuffer but it has two problems
when used with gnuserv:

1. If the focus last touched the minibuffer rather than a standard frame
   before gnuclient was called, then I get a "no default directory" error
   message for "Minibuffer".  How do I set a "default directory" for the
   minibuffer?
2. At the end of start up the minibuffer tries to re-size itself to
   something greater than 1 line heigh.  How do I stop this?

Do anybody have the "Correct" method for using the minbuffer.

(setq minibuffer-frame-plist '(
			       width 80 height 1
				     menubar-visible-p nil
				     name "Minibuffer"
				     default-toolbar-visible-p nil
				     ))
(setq initial-frame-plist '(top 1 left 1 width 120 height 10 minibuffer nil))
(setq default-frame-plist '(top 1 left 1 width 120 height 50 minibuffer nil))

Thanks for any help,
Ivan.
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From: Dieter Ruppert <ru@swb.scn.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs goes compute bound when terminating session.
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 13:34:58 +0200
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Charles H. Gilley wrote:
> 
> I have a few irate developers hunting for me.  It seems that if I quit my
> session and Xemacs is up, it goes compute bound.  This is either:
> 
> a) a heretofor unreported bug; or
> 
> b) a known bug that I need a fix for (other than exitting XEmacs before I
...

It depends on what you call a "known bug" AND ist depends on your
version of xemacs.

I have suffered myself from this bug in version 19.13, and have found
a solution in an older posting from Chris.van.Engelen@ns-nl.att.com.
It boils down to a small addition in device-x.c at line 645:

% diff device-x.c~ device-x.c
645a646,657
> 
>                 /* !!!!! private Korrektur aufgrund von News-Artikel
>                    X problems with XEmacs 19.13 on SunOS 4.1.3
>                    von Chris.van.Engelen@ns-nl.att.com */
> 
>   if (errno == EPIPE)
>   {
>       stderr_out("\n\nXEmacs exiting on broken pipe with device list length %d\n",
>                XINT (Flength (Vdevice_list)));
>       exit(1);
>   }
> 

Easy enough, and it works.

I have been told by Ben Wing that this bug is supposed to be fixed in
19.14, but I can't tell for sure because we use 19.13.

Hope this helps.

Dr.D.Ruppert
RTS GmbH
Schwieberdingen/Germany

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From: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: tm7.75 and multipart messages
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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

 kendall> I've just installed tm7.75 which I use with mh-e. It seems
 kendall> to be responsible for splitting my outgoing messages into
 kendall> multipart messages. This is good, except that some people I
 kendall> communicate with don't have mime compliant mail readers, and
 kendall> have had no problem receiveing files somewhat larger than
 kendall> 64k. Is there a way for me to toggle this behavior? For now,
 kendall> I must rerun emacs without my .emacs file and send mail with
 kendall> mh-smail. Any help would be appreciated.

Well, yes. The MIME-Edit menu contains an entry "About split" which
toggles splitting for the current message composition. The lisp
variable 'mime-editor/split-message' controls this on a lower level,
so you can also set it to 'nil in order to disable automatic
splitting at any time.

	Holger

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Could the persons who handle the xemacs ftp
site rebytecompile the mailcrypt files and
re-tar the common-lisp code?

I have noticed a few post like this, and probably
would have posted one myself if I hadn't happen
to recall an earlier post.

Just a suggestion.

Shane

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
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Subject: cycling visible buffers?
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There is one feature I often wished I had, but I can't figure out how to
make it work. Most of the time, when I feel I need a feature, it's
allready there.

Say I got 3 buffers visible in the same window. I'm writing in one of
them. Then I want to switch to one of the other two buffers. What's
usually done is that you simply click on the desireble buffer. But can I
achieve the same result only using the keyboard?

I'm running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux 9.03 workstation.

Thanks,
	Karl

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no>
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Subject: Re: tm7.75 and multipart messages
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>>>>> kshaw@plight.lbin.com (kendall shaw):

> I've just installed tm7.75 which I use with mh-e.
> It seems to be responsible for splitting my outgoing messages into
> multipart messages. This is good, except that some people I communicate
> with don't have mime compliant mail readers, and have had no problem
> receiveing files somewhat larger than 64k. Is there a way for me
> to toggle this behavior? For now, I must rerun emacs without my .emacs
> file and send mail with mh-smail. Any help would be appreciated.

Here's what I use, to stop mh-e from splitting outgoing messages:

(add-hook 'mh-letter-mode-hook
	   (lambda ()
	     (make-variable-buffer-local 'mime-editor/split-message)
	     (setq mime-editor/split-message nil) ; don't split
	     (mime-editor/toggle-transfer-level 8)
	     ))

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* David Masterson wrote:
> I'm not sure how good Java's support for redefinition is either, but perhaps
> its not a problem.  Since Java is an extension language to the browsers, all
> that is necessary (hopefully!) would be to rebuild the Java library with the
> function definition and reload it into the browser.

I thought (perhaps wrongly) that things like class/superclass pointers
get shorted-out at runtime, so redefining a parent class ie, or a
method in it, is likely to be bad news?

>> Java also doesn't let you define methods for classes outside the class
>> definition -- you have to subclass -- which is also not very nice for
>> a resident environment.

> Why?  Isn't the same thing true of Smalltalk?

I think so.  Perhaps I'm unusual to find it a pain, but I often do
things in CLOS where I define all sorts of methods on builtin classes
like NUMBER or T, which would be a real pain to do in Java,
particularly if you're using classes that you don't have the sources
to.

--tim

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Subject: Incorrectly mapped key in incremental search in xemacs 19.14.
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From: Linus Tolke <linus@epact.se>
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on spacedog.fishkill.ibm.com
(I have noticed the same behaviour in xemacs-19.13 started with -q.)

Key sequence to repeat:
C-x C-f BS DEL RET C-s adiaeresis q C-h l

Backtrace buffer:
Signalling: (undefined-keystroke-sequence [#<keypress-event adiaeresis>])

I run dired or am in a *Summary*-buffer in gnus. I want to search for
something using incremental search. What I want to search for is
spelled with an .

I press C-s and then  and the emacs leaves the incremental search
mode and bails out.

It should search for the letter  in the buffer. It does when I am
searching in a buffer text-buffer like this mail buffer.

My guess is that the incremental search depends on the binding of the
keystroke in the current buffer. It is bound to self-insert-command in
this mail buffer but in the dired buffer and in the *Summary* in gnus
it in unbound.

	/Linus

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Does xemacs have an irc mode??

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GMG> == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>

 GMG> Is there a difference between M-K and M K?

Yes.

 GMG> Even if there is, the point is moot, since if there were (and I'm
 GMG> pretty sure there isn't), it would be that M-K means to press Esc
 GMG> and K at the same time and M K means to press Esc first.

No, "M K" means to press "capital m" and then "capital k".  "M-K" means to
press "meta capital k" (whether using ESC shift-k or meta-shift-k).

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>>>>> On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:43:31 -0700, kshaw@plight.lbin.com
>>>>> (kendall shaw) said:

 kendall> I've just installed tm7.75 which I use with mh-e.  It seems
 kendall> to be responsible for splitting my outgoing messages into
 kendall> multipart messages. This is good, except that some people I
 kendall> communicate with don't have mime compliant mail readers, and
 kendall> have had no problem receiveing files somewhat larger than
 kendall> 64k. Is there a way for me to toggle this behavior? For now,
 kendall> I must rerun emacs without my .emacs file and send mail with
 kendall> mh-smail. Any help would be appreciated.

On version 7.37 and xemacs 19.13, (okay, I have been lazy, er, busy),
I set

	(setq mime-editor/split-message nil)

Later,
Michael

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In article <DvoHKE.GF6@world.std.com>, eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
>David Masterson  wrote:
>[...]
>>In other words, instead of trying to build an editor in Java that could then
>>be extended via Java, why not look at the browsers (which is where most Java
>>will be invoked from) and see if they allow the types of extension via Java
>>that Emacs allows via Lisp?
>
>Applets extend browsers like elisp extends emacs,  but they are extensions to 
>a browser, not an editor. The fact that I have an extensible browser doesn't 
>bring me any closer to having an extensible editor. What we need is an EDITOR 
>that is extensible. Thankfully, this isn't difficult if we write it in Java.
>

To extend something `like elisp extends emacs' is to transform it into
something else.  elisp transforms emacs into a development environment,
newsreader, mailer, www browser ... ergo, anything which transformed a
www browser  `like elisp extends emacs' would not stop at 3D animated
buttons and status bar messages.

Then again, maybe java in its www applet form isn't like elisp at all.
Maybe it's more like X11.

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Dieter Ruppert (ru@swb.scn.de) wrote:

: It depends on what you call a "known bug" AND ist depends on your
: version of xemacs.

Dr. Rupert,

  I am using Xemacs 19.14, so this fix does not appear to be in this 
release.  I have an easy work-around - make sure to exit xemacs before 
quitting thy session.  Just a heads up for those of you on multi-user 
systems.

-chg

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Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

> Say I got 3 buffers visible in the same window. I'm writing in one of
> them. Then I want to switch to one of the other two buffers. What's
> usually done is that you simply click on the desireble buffer. But can I
> achieve the same result only using the keyboard?
> 
> I'm running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux 9.03 workstation.

XEmacs calls an X window a frame and a view of a buffer a window.  Use
`other-window' which is usually bound to "C-x o".

-- 
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:

Gail> Is there a difference between M-K and M K? Even if there is, the
Gail> point is moot, since if there were (and I'm pretty sure there
Gail> isn't), it would be that M-K means to press Esc and K at the
Gail> same time and M K means to press Esc first. But if that's true,
Gail> then I've been using M k and M K and getting the command bound
Gail> to M-k and M-K.

There is a difference.  M K means press the capital M key followed by
the capital K key.  M-k means either:
press the escape key followed by the lower case `k' key -or-
press and hold down the Meta key (however it is labelled on your
keyboard) and simultaneously[1] press the lower case `k' key.

M-K and M-k have distinct keycodes, and are not necessarily equivalent
to `M K' or `M k'.  The lack of visual distinction is why the notation
[(meta k)] and [(meta K)] is superior.


[1]  The simultaneous part can be dropped if you use the `sticky
modifier' mechanism documented in the manuals and FAQ.
-- 
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Executing some gnus commands via M-x `command', or by button bar click
or by menu item selection produces the following error message:

  Wrong type argument: listp, :-pos

effectively making the command inaccessible.  How/what is the
resolution for this?

Thanks in advance.
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a> I have tried your patch, but I can't get it to work.  When I mark a
a> region in a terminal window and drag it to XEmacs, XEmacs crashes
a> and dumps core.

Hmm.  You're right.  If you patch your patched source with the
following patch, the patched patch performs peerlessly, which is to
say that the patchless patch is not a patch on the patched patch.

	<b

*** src/frame-x.c.~2~	Mon Aug  5 19:59:23 1996
--- frame-x.c	Tue Aug  6 11:50:23 1996
***************
*** 965,976 ****
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
!   else if (transferInfo->dropData->protocol == DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER)
      {
        for (ii = 0; ii < transferInfo->dropData->numItems; ii++)
  	{
  	  filePath = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].name;
! 	  path = make_string (filePath, strlen (filePath));
  	  buf = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].bp;
  	  data = make_string (buf, transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].size);
  	  va_run_hook_with_args(Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 3, frame, path, data);
--- 965,983 ----
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
!   else if (transferInfo->dropData->protocol == DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER)
      {
        for (ii = 0; ii < transferInfo->dropData->numItems; ii++)
  	{
  	  filePath = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].name;
! 	  if (filePath != NULL)
! 	    {
! 	      path = make_string (filePath, strlen (filePath));
! 	    }
! 	  else
! 	    {
! 	      path = Qnil;
! 	    }
  	  buf = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].bp;
  	  data = make_string (buf, transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].size);
  	  va_run_hook_with_args(Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 3, frame, path, data);

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Eugene O'Neil wrote:
> 
> it doesn't come with all the extensions hard-wired in. The
> extensions are loaded seperately and dynamically as needed, and NOT LOADED
> when they are not needed. Furthermore, you would be able to load different
> extensions from different places, perhapse even different hemispheres of the
> planet, over the network. [...]
> 
> It would be almost impossible to jury-rig these capabilities into emacs as it
> is: in java, this would be almost embarrassingly easy.

As others have pointed out, Emacs could do this easily.  There's
currently no custom of loading .elc files off the net instead of the
local disk, but it would be a trivial amount of code to make this work.

(But of course, if you loaded emacs-lisp packages off the net instead of
downloading them to your local disk first, you'd get the same drawback
that loading Java classes off the net has today: if they're big, it's
slooooow.)

> >Also, what advantage does one get from extending an editor "with Java
> >objects" as opposed to "with elisp functions" (yes, "functions", not
> >"bytecodes" please, or I would have to say you are extending your java
> >editor with "java bytecode").
> 
> The advantage here is simply that java already comes, by definition, with a
> Java interpereter.

As far as I know, there are no Java interpreters.  There is a Java
compiler, and a Java byte-code interpreter (aka "virtual machine").
Emacs-Lisp has a compiler, interpreter, *and* a byte-code interpreter.

> >Emacs has this "buffer" object you want. And (X)Emacs provides the
> >tools to do pop-up menus and buttons and so on. If you wish to see
> >applications that do this try W3 (the web browser), or URL
> >highlighting in the GNUS newsreader, or see how the Hyperbole package
> >embeds buttons in documents.
> 
> No, Emacs has the INSPIRATION for the buffer object I want, but it cannot run
> inside Java or communicate with other Java objects like what I want.

Well Emacs doesn't have an ADA interface either.  I'm afraid I don't
understand what your goal is.  Is it to have a portable, clean,
extensible editor?  Or is it to have an editor written in Java?
I think the latter goal is silly, and the former is what most people
in this thread have been discussing.

There are several camps in this discussion:

1: those who think that Emacs as it now stands has too much historical
   baggage, and would benefit from an incompatible rewrite;

2: those who think that it'd be nice to clean up the Emacs internals,
   but that incompatibility would be catastrophically bad;

3: those that think that using Java is an end to itself, because
   Java is So Cool;

4: those that think that, as long as you're doing a rewrite, using 
   Java would give you some big benefits over using C.

I'm a member of camp #1 and possibly camp #4.  I used to be a member of
camp #2 (that's why Lucid Emacs was what it was.)

(And in addition to those, there's another discussion that's been
happening which assumed #1 and then asked the question, "in this
hypothetical rewrite, what would the best extension language be?")

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
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  black velvet clown painting; it's a rectangle of carets surrounding
  a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who.''
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.java,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Steven L Baur wrote:
>
> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source
> code model to closed, black box binary code.  What's the best way to
> learn how to deal with a particular Emacs function?  Grep through the
> lisp directory(ies) and find some contributed code that calls it.  If
> you don't like the way something works, it can be changed, not always
> easily but you're not held hostage by RMS or Chuck or anyone else.

br wrote:
>
> It's sort of scary to see people on comp.lang.java (or maybe you're
> posting from comp.*emacs) saying that Java is a closed binary black
> box. We do make the source code available. We do let numerous parties
> participate in the design and we listen to feedback and RFEs (while
> retaining control, for the sake of coherence and hygiene).

I don't think Steven was talking about Java-the-language-specification
or Java-the-sample-implementation, but rather was talking about
the-way-class-files-happen-to-be-used.

If you look around on the net today, you see a lot of instances of
people publishing .class files but not publishing the corresponding
source.  (I don't know what the ratio is, but it does happen.)

Whereas, if you look at the existing body of 3rd-party emacs-lisp code,
it's all published as source; almost nobody ever distributes .elc files.

This isn't something that's a fundamental property of either language,
it's just what the current customs happen to be.  So I think that
Steven's fears are unfounded.  (For example, were a new Java-based
implementation of Emacs to be written, and were it to be infected with
the GNU General Public Virus, it would be a legal requirement that all
.class files come with their corresponding .java files, so everybody
would have the source and everyone would be able to grep to their
heart's content.)

Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
> 
> However elisp (or any "symbolic computation" language) has the following
> advantage over C-tradition languages: there's no compilation and (more
> importantly) no linking. IDEs provide fast enough compilation, but linking
> (sometimes even incremental linking) is often a bottleneck. I don't know
> enough about Java to judge it on this point, but with elisp replacing a
> function with a custommised version (or better yet, advising it to change
> some of the behavior/interface) is as easy as evaluating a defun.

Be careful you're comparing the same things here: Emacs is currently
written in two languages, C and Emacs-Lisp.  Imagine a hypothetical new
version of Emacs where all the C parts of Emacs were written in Java
instead of C, but where Emacs-Lisp still existed in its same basic form.
(I don't think this would necessarily be a good approach, but it's not
impossible.)  In this model, you're comparing Java to C.

But if instead you're hypothesizing a model where Java is used as the
replacement for *both* C and Emacs-Lisp, it's not clear that it's a fair
comparison.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``A signature isn't a return address, it is the ASCII equivalent of a
  black velvet clown painting; it's a rectangle of carets surrounding
  a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who.''
                                                         -- Chris Maeda

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: GNUS MIME attachment bug
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In news:oru3uil2gf.fsf@dcc.unicamp.br, which was posted with
Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.32, we see the attachment headers:

   Content-Type: application/octet-stream; type=emacs-lisp
   Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="iso-acc.el"

These headers show a fundamental misunderstanding of how the
Content-Type header works, and what "application/octet-stream" means.

First, no RFC that I know of defines a "type" parameter to Content-Type
(it's certainly not in 1521, which is the latest released version of the
MIME spec.)  

Second, octet-stream means merely "unspecified type", no more and no
less.  (Some people think it means "binary file" or "executable file" 
or "please display this as an attachment instead of inline".  They are
wrong.)

A more correct Content-Type header would be

   Content-Type: text/plain

or, if you want to invent a new type, the obvious choice would be

   Content-Type: application/x-emacs-lisp

(but really the right way to take this approach would be to get
application/emacs-lisp officially registered with IANA.)


Also, given the conflict between the (older, obsolete) RFC 1341, and the
(newer, but still marked "experimental") RFC 1806, experience shows that
it's best to specify the file name in both the "old" and "new" ways for
maximum interoperability.  So these headers would be better presented
as:

   Content-Type: text/plain; name="iso-acc.el"
   Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="iso-acc.el"

I hope the responsible party will correct this soon; it's hard enough to
comply with the MIME spec without also feeling the need to add special
cases to cope with other people's buggy interpretations of it, and
poorly-thought-out implementation-specific extensions.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
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  black velvet clown painting; it's a rectangle of carets surrounding
  a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who.''
                                                         -- Chris Maeda

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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>
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Subject: Xemacs-19.13 for Apple Macintosh
Date: 06 Aug 1996 13:12:09 -0600
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I just finished making Xemacs for the Apple Macintosh (68K). Don't try
this at home, its a bear!

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Subject: Sun workstation running Xemacs 19.14 crashes
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When I am running Xemacs 19.14 and and I start Netscape 1.12 (either from
within Xemacs or externally) my workstation crashes. I am running a sparc 20
with 
Sun OS 4.1.3.

Does anyone have any ideas why my system is crashing?


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From: preece@predator.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Scott E. Preece)
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Subject: Recursive-edit sometimes moves point?
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I have some elisp code that includes several functions that look like:

	(setup)
	(unwind-protect
		(recursive-edit)
	    (clean-up))

The setup code sets up a buffer and establishes some global state, like
buffer stacking and key-mappings, then hands the buffer to the user.
When the user exits, the cleanup code is run and tears down the global
state.

In FSF Emacs this code works as I expect.  In Xemacs, however, in some
cases the point in the buffer is moved before the user gets it.  That
is, if I do
	(setq save-loc (dot))
just before the (unwind-protect..., by the time the new command loop
is invoked the value of (dot) has changed from what is saved in
saved-loc.

I have not been able to isolate this as a test case and it doesn't
happen all the time, but in the cases where it does happen, it happens
consistently (that is, it changes (dot) to the same place every time for
a given function, but that place is different for each function).  Also,
when I used the debugger on the defun, the function didn't exhibit the
indicated behavior, but worked properly (which is to say, as I expected
it to work).

I am perfectly willing to believe my code is doing something wrong, but
my expectation of the way (recursive-edit) should behave is that there
is no way my code could cause this result (that is, that no user code is
executed between the time the (recursive-edit) is invoked and the next
user input.

I would appreciate suggestions or comments.

-- 
scott preece
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phone:	217-384-8589			  fax:	217-384-8550
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Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:

> XEmacs calls an X window a frame and a view of a buffer a window.  Use
> `other-window' which is usually bound to "C-x o".

Just FYI, it's also bound to C-TAB, which I find particularly useful!

-- 
    --- John.

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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

[...other stuff about Emacs in Lisp vs. Emacs in Java...]

> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source code
> model to closed, black box binary code.  What's the best way to learn how to
> deal with a particular Emacs function?  Grep through the lisp directory(ies)
> and find some contributed code that calls it.  If you don't like the way
> something works, it can be changed, not always easily but you're not held
> hostage by RMS or Chuck or anyone else.

I missed a step here -- I don't believe this has to be true.

1. Sun is making the specifications for Java and JDK available and I have even
   seen a Free-Java project somewhere (don't remember where at the moment).
   So, if access to code of the internal Java engine is required, it looks
   like it will be available (of course, you'll be limited to the Free-Java
   version).  Is there any reason the implementation of Free-Java could not be
   copylefted and thus made freely available?
2. By the same token, the Java source code to the various libraries that you
   would use could be copylefted as well and, therefore, made freely available
   to anyone that wants to access them.  In the larger world of Java, though,
   not everyone is forced to copyleft their code, so, undoubtedly, there would
   be a lot of Java libraries out there for which source code may not be
   readily available (of course there is Mocha at
	<http://web.inter.nl.net/users/H.P.van.Vliet/mocha.htm>).
3. Only programmers are really interested in the open, all source code model.
   Others might be interested in it from time to time, but, if the system
   works, why would the large percentage of the population look at the source
   code?  As has been proven many times before, if the system ever breaks (or
   looks like it will break), most people will just go out and buy the new
   improved version (this model is what keeps a large percentage of us
   programmers gainfully employed).
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Allen M. Cohen wrote:
> 
> Sudhakar Frederick (sfrederi@asc.corp.mot.com) wrote:
> : Hi,
> 
> : The pretty print with faces is GREAT for code. is it possible to also print
> : with line numbers?? ie pretty-print-with-faces-and-linenumbers!!??
> 
> You could use "pr" with "shell-command-on-buffer", and pretty-print that
> result.
> --
> Allen M. Cohen -- GTE Govt Sys. Lakeview Cyn Rd, Thousand Oaks, Ca. 91362-5027
> Voice: (805) 497-5198   FAX: (805) 497-5050
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I think that ruins the indenting and faces. I've tried stuff like "pr -n |
mp | lpr" etc. and also vgrind. But it seems that if I have syntax
highlighting, I can't have line numbers and vice-versa. What I need is some
way to ps-print-buffer-with-faces but also have line numbers printed.

Thanks
-- freddy
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>Eugene> Here is a point where (no offense) you don't know enough about
>Eugene> Java. You CAN write a small, extensible editor as a .class file
>Eugene> that coould be less than even a single megabyte, by itself.
>
>Not even close.  Unless you wish to compare apples and oranges, you
>must consider the Java interpreter as well.  (On a Linux/ELF system)
>the Java interpreter is:
>1069268 302771  12952   1384991 15221f  /usr/local/java/bin/i586/java
>(1.3MB)
>
>Compared to the equivalent XEmacs entity temacs:
>958342  791547  170112  1920001 1d4c01  /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/temacs
>(1.9MB)

I was assuming that everyone will soon have a Java interpereter built into,
or at least tightly integrated with, the operating system itself. Nobody who 
programs in Java talks about the size of the interpereter as if it was part of 
their own program, any more than you would include the size of the linux 
kernel in the size of emacs, although it does depend on that to function.

>If you want to rewrite an extensible editor like Emacs in Java for the
>chance to reengineer some of the accumulated inevitable code brain
>damage that sets in on any long lived program (Brook's Law), that
>different than justifying Java for the sake of the architecture.

My main goal is to do for Java what Emacs does for Unix. This improvement in 
architecture merely follows naturally from the Java way of doing things.

>Emacs *has* the architecture you're advocating.  (I will admit that
>the memory reuse on feature unload could be better, but is Java's any
>better right now?)  

I don't know about today, but I'd bet anything it will be soon. Millions of 
web-browsing users will demand it, and big corporations will spend the bucks 
to pay for it. Let other people worry about making the interpereter faster and 
leaner: Let's concentrate entirely on making the EDITOR better.

> There is a small(ish) core and the rest of it is
>load on demand.  Wanting to replace the current 30MB lisp library with
>code loaded over a wire doesn't change the fact that that 30MB of lisp
>or Java is going to be sitting somewhere.

Look, I totally agree that to reach the same level of functionality, 
approximately the same amount of code and stuff will have to be stored 
somewhere. The tiny little extensible editor will be pathetic and useless 
without any extensions. Indeed, later in my post I said that an emacs written 
in Java, which can load extensions stored across the globe, is in a sense an 
emacs too large to fit into any one computer. Imagine having hundreds of 
megabytes of code available at your fingertips, but none of it taking up your 
own precious disk space. It's the best of both worlds!

>The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source
>code model to closed, black box binary code.  What's the best way to
>learn how to deal with a particular Emacs function?  Grep through the
>lisp directory(ies) and find some contributed code that calls it.  If
>you don't like the way something works, it can be changed, not always
>easily but you're not held hostage by RMS or Chuck or anyone else.

There's nothing stopping people from distributing Java sources, I see 
people making sources available all the time. Even if they don't there are 
some pretty good decompilers available already...  ;-)

>Eugene> Only emacs users write elisp filters for emacs, but thousands
>Eugene> of programmers, some of whom will be among the best in the world,
>Eugene> will be paid to write stuff ...
>
>This is a ridiculous, ignorant statement.  Who says that it will be
>any better than the code done by folks who program because they enjoy
>programming (and are among the best in the world)?

Nobody said it would be BETTER. Like all software, some will be good, some 
will be bad, and most will be in between. I wasn't talking about quality, I 
was talking about QUANTITY. It is a FACT that lots of Java will be written, 
whether or not we write an editor to take advantage of that body of work. 
Would emacs be half of what it is, if it didn't have all of unix to borrow 
functionality from? There's nothing ignorant or ridiculous about this, it's 
just common sense.

>One last thing: Lisp as a language has withstood the test of time.  It
>is a mature language that has proved time and again that it is capable
>of performing in a wide variety of situations.  Over the years many
>different languages have come with great fanfare and vanished quietly.
>RMS made a very wise choice in the extension language for Emacs, and
>perhaps in a couple of years we'll be having this same discussion
>crossposted to comp.lang.the-next-programming-fad.  And perhaps not,
>it's too early to tell.

I've been programming in lisp since my early teens, so you don't need to tell 
me how wonderful it is. Java the language is nothing new, I admit, but the 
language isn't the important thing... it's the java MACHINE that's cool. It's 
multithreaded, memory-safe, object-oriented... and best of all, it runs just 
about anywhere. 

If you want to program in lisp, be my guest... there's already a scheme 
interpereter that runs in Java. Or, if you don't like that, you could write 
your own elisp-like language that compiles into Java bytecodes. You probably 
couldn't get it to run existing, unmodified elisp, but it could have the same 
syntax. The language isn't important: it is orthoganal to the machine, and to 
the concept of an extensible editor.

-Eugene

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I've applied your patch-patch to my workspace, 
and made a wee style change.

Here's what frame-x.c looks like now:


*** /tmp/geta21867	Tue Aug  6 14:38:23 1996
--- frame-x.c	Tue Aug  6 14:05:11 1996
***************
*** 941,947 ****
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
--- 941,947 ----
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath, *buf, *data;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
***************
*** 965,971 ****
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
!   
    UNGCPRO;
    return;
  }
--- 965,983 ----
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
!   else if (transferInfo->dropData->protocol == DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER)
!     {
!       for (ii = 0; ii < transferInfo->dropData->numItems; ii++)
!  	{
!  	  filePath = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].name;
!  	  path = (filePath != NULL) ?
!             make_string (filePath, strlen (filePath)) : Qnil;
!  	  buf = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].bp;
!  	  data = make_string (buf, transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].size);
!  	  va_run_hook_with_args(Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 3, frame, path, data);
!  	}
!     }
! 
    UNGCPRO;
    return;
  }
***************
*** 1635,1643 ****
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
! 			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER,
! 			 XmDROP_COPY,
! 			 dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }
--- 1647,1655 ----
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
!  			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER | DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER,
!  			 XmDROP_COPY, dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
!  			 DtNtextIsBuffer, True,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }

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>>>>> "Bryan" == Bryan O'Sullivan <bos@Eng> writes:

m> I've applied your patch-patch to my workspace, and made a wee style
m> change.

Bryan> Cool.  By the way, I forgot to update the doc string for
Bryan> Vdrag_and_drop_functions to indicate that the pathname argument to the
Bryan> hook will be nil if some plain text is dropped.  You probably want to
Bryan> fix this in your workspace :-)

Now reads:


#ifdef HAVE_CDE
  DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
Each function is called with either two or three args.  If called with
two args, the args are a frame and a pathname.  If with three, the
args are a frame, a pathname (which is always nil) and the textual
representation of the dragged object.
*/ );
  Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
#endif

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m> I've applied your patch-patch to my workspace, and made a wee style
m> change.

Cool.  By the way, I forgot to update the doc string for
Vdrag_and_drop_functions to indicate that the pathname argument to the
hook will be nil if some plain text is dropped.  You probably want to
fix this in your workspace :-)

	<b

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m> #ifdef HAVE_CDE
m>   DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
m> Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
m> Each function is called with either two or three args.  If called with
m> two args, the args are a frame and a pathname.  If with three, the
m> args are a frame, a pathname (which is always nil) and the textual
m> representation of the dragged object.
m> */ );
m>   Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
m> #endif

I'm sorry; I should have made myself clearer.  If called with three
args, the pathname may or may not be nil.  If the pathname is nil,
this indicates that text was dropped.  If not, this may indicate that
the textual representation of some other kind of object was dropped.

As such, I suggest you change the doc string to the following:

    DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
  Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
  Each function is called with either two or three args.  If called with
  two args, the args are a frame and a pathname.  If with three, the
  args are a frame, a pathname (which is may be either a string or nil)
  and the textual representation of the dragged object.
  */ );

Apologies again about the confusion.

	<b

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Subject: BUG:  Xemacs 19.14 under Solaris 2.5 hangs when VM/GNUS hit X-Face: line
Date: 06 Aug 1996 16:56:57 -0500
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I recently compiled 19.14 for Solaris 2.5.  My current binary was
configured as such:

./configure  sparc-sun-solaris2.5 --with-x --with-gcc --with-gnu-make --with-t
ooltalk --with-sparcworks --with-sound=both --site-includes=/usr/X11R6/include/X
11/jpeg:/vol/local/apps/motif/usr/lib --site-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/jpeg:/
vol/local/apps/motif/usr/include --with-database=gnud --with-dialogs=motif

When I select a message in vm or gnus that has an X-Face line, Xemacs
hangs [doesn't redraw the window] until I hit C-G.  As you can see in
the top quoted below, it does suck up huge amounts of CPU.  However,
this does not happen with every X-Face, but only seems to be the
larger ones [< 2 lines, although this is not for sure, only a trend I
have noticed].

The first time I had compiled with the compface libraries, and tried
removing them and recompiling to see if that was the problem.
However, it is still hanging.  This did not happen with the 2.4
binaries from ftp.xemacs.com, only the one I compiled locally.  

Any ideas?

-Ben
--
Ben Drago                 drago@hc.ti.com              Sysadmin, TI


last pid:  5084;  load averages:  1.23,  1.00,  0.98                   16:43:19
72 processes:  53 sleeping, 1 running, 17 zombie, 1 on cpu
Cpu states:  0.0% idle,  0.0% user, 90.4% kernel,  9.6% iowait,  0.0% swap
Memory: 124M real, 4784K free, 90M swap, 315M free swap   
  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATE   TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
 5052 drago    -25    5   13M   11M run     4:24 23.51% 93.96% xemacs
 5084 drago    -24    0 2124K 1696K cpu     0:01  1.49%  5.66% top   

Connect to the program with gdb and doing a backtrace gives me:
#0  0xef178040 in stat ()
#1  0xf0f70 in sys_stat (path=0x6280d8 "/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", buf=0xefffc2c0)
    at sysdep.c:3145        
[note:  there is no /tmp/tmxfa001Ew file.]
#2  0x896b0 in Ffile_exists_p (filename=810002092) at fileio.c:2491
#3  0x69ffc in primitive_funcall (fn=0x895d8 <Ffile_exists_p>, nargs=1, 
    args=0xefffc5cc) at eval.c:3484
#4  0x6a180 in funcall_subr (subr=0x16fc08, args=0xefffc5cc) at eval.c:3526
#5  0x6972c in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=269941768, nargs=1, 
    args=0xefffc5c8) at eval.c:3207
#6  0x69860 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffc5c8) at eval.c:3253
#7  0x4c764 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809830656, vector=1077717120, 
    maxdepth=4307012) at bytecode.c:450
#8  0x6a558 in funcall_lambda (fun=273051876, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefffc87c)
    at eval.c:3636
#9  0x69808 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=273051876, nargs=1, 
    args=0xefffc878) at eval.c:3223
#10 0x69860 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefffc878) at eval.c:3253
#11 0x4c764 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809666900, vector=1078833536, 
    maxdepth=5456276) at bytecode.c:450
#12 0x6a558 in funcall_lambda (fun=272878212, nargs=0, arg_vector=0xefffcc50)
    at eval.c:3636
#13 0x69808 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272878212, nargs=0, 
    args=0xefffcc4c) at eval.c:3223
...

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There is a bug in the font-lock keywords for make-mode with 19,14
which causes trouble with lines with a tab followed by a #.

The small fix is appended.  Apologies if other people have fixed this.

--tim

RCS file: /project/tfb/cvsroot/xemacs/lisp/modes/make-mode.el,v
retrieving revision 1.1.1.1
diff -c -r1.1.1.1 make-mode.el
*** make-mode.el	1996/06/27 20:26:12	1.1.1.1
--- make-mode.el	1996/08/06 19:08:25
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.
--- 245,251 ----
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.

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Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
>Excuse me, but you sound like you don't know enough about emacs. Emacs
>*does* load extensions on demand (the require-provide mechanism), and it
>would be very easy to allow loading from remote ftp sites. It's only a
>matter of cultural artifact (nobody provides archives of .elc files) this
>is not being done.

Well, maybe you should try it. As a Java programmer, I can tell you it can be 
mighty handy.  ;-)

>> java already comes, by definition, with a Java interpereter.
>You don't think elisp is *not* an interpreter, do you?

I know that elisp is an interpereter. My point was that Java doesn't COME with 
an elisp interpereter.

Think of it this way: I want to write an extensible editor for Java. What kind 
of extension language should I use? One I can be sure will already be 
available, or one I have to write myself, on top of an interpereter I already 
have? If someone wants to do that, they can do it themselves, and still 
communicate with my editor.

>However elisp (or any "symbolic computation" language) has the following
>advantage over C-tradition languages: there's no compilation and (more
>importantly) no linking. IDEs provide fast enough compilation, but linking
>(sometimes even incremental linking) is often a bottleneck. I don't know
>enough about Java to judge it on this point, but with elisp replacing a
>function with a custommised version (or better yet, advising it to change
>some of the behavior/interface) is as easy as evaluating a defun.

If you want that kind of functionality, you can use a lisp interpereter that 
runs under Java. They already exist.

>> what it does was determined nearly twenty years ago.
>This is partly true. Emacs has such a great extension language and
>environment that it seems people forget it's after all only an editor (well
>ok, a text-processing environment). 99% of the people who hack emacs only
>hack elisp and not C, but there's a ton of editor-specific things in the C
>part. Not only editing primitives, but language primitives as well (eg
>buffer-local variables). Now the question is, are we discussing a new
>*editor*, or a new all-around undetermied-application-domain killer app?

The all-around everything-including-the-kitchen-sink application in question 
here is Java itself. This editor could be considered an extension of Java.  
;-)

This editor itself should do one thing very well, and that is edit text, under 
both human and software control. It should be embeddable as a control in 
larger java programs, but it itself should concentrate on the editing it is 
given to do. It should not care if it is editing somebody's cookbook, or being 
used as a telnet front-end: it just handles the storage, display, and 
manipulation of text.

I've been thinking about text a lot lately, and I think it would be useful to 
store and manipulate the text in a more abstract form than just a flat 
sequence of characters. If the text was parsed and organized into a syntax 
tree, it might yeild more readily to useful manipulation.  Extension objects 
could traverse and manipulate the tree, rather than plain old text. Things 
like syntax-coloring and context-sensitive tab-completion flow naturally from 
this concept. 

 How about the ability to double-click on a curly-brace, and have the code 
within the braces collapse into a little [+] symbol? Double-click on a 
function, and go to the definition? tab-completion, as I mentioned above? The 
nodes of the syntax tree would have to have some kind of event-passing model. 
Every mouse-click or key-press would go to a node, and something would happen, 
like a character getting inserted. The parser object that creates the tree 
would be equivilent to the editing mode in emacs.

When text gets inserted, often the inserted text and everything after it must 
be re-parsed, but you don't want to wait for it to scan to the end after 
every keystroke. This should be done in a seperate, low-priority thread, as 
they are relatively easy to implement in Java. Also each token should remember 
the state the lexer was in when it started to parse the token: if the same 
lexer meets the same token in the same state, it can stop right there.

Any more ideas out there? This is where somebody familiar with the highlights 
(and mistakes) of emacs would come in handy.

-Eugene

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Just a little more info:

This is the relevant [hopefully] output from truss:

poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 6995)			= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
unlink("/home/drago/.saves-5052-ruiner")	Err#2 ENOENT
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEF24)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEF24)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEE48, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 3, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEEAC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEEAC)			= 0
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL, in poll() [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 6985)			Err#4 EINTR
setcontext(0xEFFFEB88)
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 6286)			= 1
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEC84)			= 0
read(7, "0704958D n OAFDC\0\0\0 +".., 320)	= 320
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEEF4)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEE48, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEE48, 4, 0)				= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
poll(0xEFFFEE48, 4, 0)				= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
write(7, " L01\00505C0\0C105C0\0 i".., 40)	= 40
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEAA4)			= 0
write(7, " &01\00205C0\0C1", 8)			= 8
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE628)
read(7, "01019590\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE238)
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 1
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEAD4)			= 0
read(7, "06019590 n OB0 /\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEAA4)			= 0
write(7, " &01\00205C0\0C1", 8)			= 8
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE628)
read(7, "01019591\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE978)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE4AC)			= 0
read(7, "06019591 n OB0 Y\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE4AC)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEAA4)			= 0
write(7, " &01\00205C0\0C1", 8)			= 8
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE628)
read(7, "01019592\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFDF40)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
read(7, "06019592 n OB082\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEB04)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEAA4)			= 0
write(7, " &01\00205C0\0C1", 8)			= 8
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE628)
read(7, "01019593\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA04)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
write(7, " L O\01805C0\0C105C0\0B9".., 192)	= 192
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE2D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE480)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
write(7, "02 O\00405C0\0C1\0\0 @\0".., 20)	= 20
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-134217728 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFE7D0)
read(7, "01029597\0\0\0\005C0\0BE".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE9B4)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFE9B4)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFECFC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEC20, 4, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE2D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE480)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE2D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE480)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA90)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE08)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDA88)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
getcontext(0xEFFFD630)
poll(0xEFFFCD40, 0, 0)				= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE2D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE560)
getcontext(0xEFFFEA60)
getcontext(0xEFFFE3A8)
getcontext(0xEFFFE5D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE558)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE480)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE1D0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE148)
getcontext(0xEFFFE258)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
getcontext(0xEFFFE408)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEF24)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEF24)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEE48, 4, 0)				= 0
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 3, 0)				= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEEAC)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEEAC)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 5505)	(sleeping...)
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL, in poll() [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-134217728 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 5505)			Err#4 EINTR
setcontext(0xEFFFEB88)
poll(0xEFFFEDD0, 4, 2863)			= 1
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEC84)			= 0
read(7, "02 p9597 n OBD i\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, 0xEFFFF040, 0x00000000)	= 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0xEFFFF028, 0x00000000) = 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA64)			= 0
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFEA64)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFE5F0)
getcontext(0xEFFFED28)
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-134217728 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFCA48)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFDE64)			= 0
read(7, "03 p9597 n OBDA5\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFDE64)			= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFD660)
stat("/home/drago/.bbdb", 0xEFFFC720)		= 0
stat("/home/drago/.bbdb", 0xEFFFC480)		= 0
stat("/home/drago/.bbdb", 0xEFFFC470)		= 0
stat("/home/drago/.bbdb", 0xEFFFC720)		= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFC618)
getcontext(0xEFFFBF20)
setcontext(0xEFFFBF20)
getcontext(0xEFFFC2E8)
getcontext(0xEFFFBE60)
setcontext(0xEFFFBE60)
getcontext(0xEFFFB848)
getcontext(0xEFFFB3C0)
setcontext(0xEFFFB3C0)
getcontext(0xEFFFBF00)
getcontext(0xEFFFB3C8)
getcontext(0xEFFFAF40)
setcontext(0xEFFFAF40)
getcontext(0xEFFFB810)
setcontext(0xEFFFB810)
getcontext(0xEFFFB848)
getcontext(0xEFFFE0E8)
getcontext(0xEFFFDE48)
getcontext(0xEFFFCED0)
getcontext(0xEFFFC9D8)
setcontext(0xEFFFC9D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFC430)
getcontext(0xEFFFBF38)
setcontext(0xEFFFBF38)
getcontext(0xEFFFCAE8)
getcontext(0xEFFFBFB0)
getcontext(0xEFFFBB28)
setcontext(0xEFFFBB28)
getcontext(0xEFFFC3F8)
setcontext(0xEFFFC3F8)
getcontext(0xEFFFC430)
getcontext(0xEFFFCED0)
getcontext(0xEFFFC9D8)
setcontext(0xEFFFC9D8)
getcontext(0xEFFFC430)
getcontext(0xEFFFBF38)
setcontext(0xEFFFBF38)
getcontext(0xEFFFCAE8)
getcontext(0xEFFFBFB0)
getcontext(0xEFFFBB28)
setcontext(0xEFFFBB28)
getcontext(0xEFFFC3F8)
setcontext(0xEFFFC3F8)
getcontext(0xEFFFC430)
getcontext(0xEFFFCFD0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE288)
getcontext(0xEFFFD320)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD320)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFD320)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFCEA8)
getcontext(0xEFFFDAD0)
getcontext(0xEFFFE8D8)
getpid()					= 5052 [25262]
access("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0)			Err#2 ENOENT
getpid()					= 5052 [25262]
access("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", 0)			Err#2 ENOENT
readlink("/tmp", 0xEFFFAFAC, 1025)		Err#22 EINVAL
readlink("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", 0xEFFFAFAC, 1025)	Err#2 ENOENT
readlink("/tmp", 0xEFFFAFAC, 1025)		Err#22 EINVAL
readlink("/tmp", 0xEFFFAFAC, 1025)		Err#22 EINVAL
readlink("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", 0xEFFFAFAC, 1025)	Err#2 ENOENT
open("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!tmp!emacsa001Ew", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = 11
chmod("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!tmp!emacsa001Ew", 0666) = 0
getpid()					= 5052 [25262]
write(11, " 5 0 5 2  ", 5)			= 5
close(11)					= 0
creat("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", 0666)			= 11
lseek(11, 0, SEEK_CUR)				= 0
write(11, " $ J ! y V C t 0 C O + N".., 358)	= 358
close(11)					= 0
stat("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", 0xEFFFBFE0)		= 0
open("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!!!SuperLock!!!", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = 11
chmod("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!!!SuperLock!!!", 0666) = 0
write(11, " / h o m e / d r a g o /".., 63)	= 63
close(11)					= 0
open("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!tmp!emacsa001Ew", O_RDONLY) = 11
read(11, " 5 0 5 2  ", 20)			= 5
close(11)					= 0
getpid()					= 5052 [25262]
unlink("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!tmp!emacsa001Ew") = 0
unlink("/home/drago/src/xemacs/19.14/xemacs-19.14/lock/!!!SuperLock!!!") = 0
stat("/usr/bin/sh", 0xEFFF7D10)			= 0
access("/usr/bin/sh", 1)			= 0
open("/tmp/emacsa001Ew", O_RDONLY)		= 11
open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY)			= 13
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
[many, many deleted]
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
signotifywait()					Err#4 EINTR
fork()						= 5220
close(11)					= 0
close(13)					= 0
getcontext(0xEFFFC028)
unlink("/tmp/emacsa001Ew")			= 0
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT

[even more deleted]

stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-134217728 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFC208)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFC13C)			= 0
read(7, "06019597 n OF7 U\0\0\0 +".., 32)	= 32
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
brk(0x00710000)					= 0
brk(0x00710000)					= 0
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
signotifywait()					= 22
    Received signal #22, SIGPOLL [caught]
      siginfo: SIGPOLL POLL_IN fd=-8388608 band=0
lwp_sigredirect(1, SIGPOLL)			= 0
setcontext(0xEFFFB818)
ioctl(7, FIONREAD, 0xEFFFC064)			= 0
read(7, "\b039597 n OF7 ~\0\0\0 +".., 128)	= 128
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT
stat("/tmp/tmxfa001Ew", 0xEFFFC548)		Err#2 ENOENT

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 still slow with many frames --- solutions?
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>>>>> "Ulrich" == Ulrich Hund <hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de> writes:

Ulrich> It is very annoying to have an editor which has all bells
Ulrich> and whistles but has a typing rate of less than approx. 3 cps. on
Ulrich> a SPARCstaion 20 with 48 Megabyte of RAM, running SunOS 4.1.4. I
Ulrich> recompiled XEmacs several times using all levels of optimization,
Ulrich> but it did not help. When there are more than 6 frames I can type
Ulrich> much faster than XEmacs can show.

Ulrich> Since the problem occurs only with typing of single characters,
Ulrich> not with Page Up/Down or anything else, there has to be some
Ulrich> expensive calculation at each keypress. What is it? Who can help?
Ulrich> Why is 19.13 faster?

I just opened up 6 frames and put them on other olvwm virtual
consoles.

There's got to be some system dependent window manager or X server
(anti)magic involved here, as I'm not seeing a terrible slow down.  I
am using Lucid Menubar/scrollbars, Athena dialog boxes, Linux/ELF with
olvwm & XFree86 3.1.2 (X11R6.1).

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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

kendall> I've just installed tm7.75 which I use with mh-e.  It seems
kendall> to be responsible for splitting my outgoing messages into
kendall> multipart messages. This is good, except that some people I
kendall> communicate with don't have mime compliant mail readers, and
kendall> have had no problem receiveing files somewhat larger than
kendall> 64k. Is there a way for me to toggle this behavior?

Try something like this (bind to any key you find convenient):

(defun toggle-mime-message-split (&optional arg)
  (interactive)
  (setq mime-editor/split-message (not mime-editor/split-message)))

mime-editor/split-message's value is t
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Split large message if it is non-nil. [tm-edit.el]

Also examine mime-editor/message-default-max-length:

mime-editor/message-default-max-length's value is 10000
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Default maximum size of a message. [tm-edit.el]
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> I've been thinking about text a lot lately, and I think it would be
> useful to store and manipulate the text in a more abstract form than
> just a flat sequence of characters. If the text was parsed and
> organized into a syntax tree, it might yeild more readily to useful
> manipulation.  Extension objects could traverse and manipulate the
> tree, rather than plain old text. Things like syntax-coloring and
> context-sensitive tab-completion flow naturally from this concept.

I've been thinking about text a lot in recent years too!

I've written a package for XEmacs, called hypercode-mode, which does
the things you have in mind -- XEmacs extents are associated with
nodes of AST. When you move mouse across code, extents are fired up,
showing boundaries of associated syntax constructs. By double-clicking
on the highlighted extent, you toggle expand/shrink of the syntax
form.

> How about the ability to double-click on a curly-brace, and have the
> code within the braces collapse into a little [+] symbol? Double-click
> on a function, and go to the definition? tab-completion, as I
> mentioned above? The nodes of the syntax tree would have to have some
> kind of event-passing model.  Every mouse-click or key-press would go
> to a node, and something would happen, like a character getting
> inserted. The parser object that creates the tree would be equivilent
> to the editing mode in emacs.

I've designed and implemented a language environment called D++ that
does exactly what you've described. In D++, code (and text) parsed in
internal representation - collections of Syntax objects and kept that
way for the life-time of application.

D++ core, as server, communicates with XEmacs, running hypercode-mode,
as client. Initially, the client receives only "shallow" nodes from
the server. When user requests deeper nodes (say, inner blocks of a C
function) the client sends request to D++ server and loads more
nodes. The event model you mentioned was implemented right on top of
XEmacs's extents.

These ideas can be directly incorporated into the Java editor we
discuss. Other related key features I'd mention are:

+ syntax macros -- must!
+ code transformation frameworks.
+ extensive support for incremental compilation
+ dynamic loader for C/C++ code --- maybe

In the core of such system must be a collection of Java classes
representing Java syntax elements -- roughly, one class for each entry
from the Java BNF.


Dmitry

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From: David Fenyes <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs 19.14/Solaris 2.5: Annoying message on startup
Date: 06 Aug 1996 18:43:00 -0500
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Hello,
It seems that Solaris doesn't provide an Italic version of the fonts
loaded at startup.  How do I get rid of the very annoying message to
this effect when xemacs starts?  It's driving me absolutely nuts.

Thanks,

David

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XEmacs 19.14 is great!  I really like the additions to the buffers menu
(sorting, etc.)

However, there is one feature I would like to have.  It would be nice if
there was some indication in the simple buffers menu (without using
multi-operation sub-menus) of whether a buffer was modified.  Maybe
something like a check-box or putting the buffer name in bold.

Another idea would be to have a sub-menu with a save option for any
buffers that have not been saved.  This way, it would be easy to
identify and save unsaved buffers.

If I knew anything at all about ELisp, I would attempt to do this
myself.

Also, I have noticed a bug in XEmacs, at least in my configuration.  I
am using the Solaris 2.4 SPARC pre-compiled binaries w/o SPARCworks with
olvwm on a Solaris 2.5 system.

The bug occurs when I use C-x 5 f to bring up a file in a new frame.  I
have all kinds of difficulties getting focus into the correct frame.  If
the cursor is in one frame, sometimes the full/empty cursors flash back
and forth between the two frames a couple or several times before
stopping in the other frame.  All keyboard input then goes into the
wrong frame.

I have not had any problems if I use File->New Frame (I have not tried
C-x 5 2).

Does anyone else see this problem, or is it something about my
configuration?

Thanks,

djc@acuson.com

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Michael Roesler writes:
 > When I am running Xemacs 19.14 and and I start Netscape 1.12 (either from
 > within Xemacs or externally) my workstation crashes. I am running a sparc 20
 > with 
 > Sun OS 4.1.3.
 > 
 > Does anyone have any ideas why my system is crashing?

Have you applied the OpenWindows jumbo patch? I forgot the Patch ID,
but I was having problems with Netscape (any version) crashing me
right out of X. There was a note in the README that comes with
Netscape about this. I installed all relevant patches and the problem
went away.

		-cjw

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Subject: Re: xemacs 19.14/Solaris 2.5: Annoying message on startup
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David Fenyes <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu> wrote:

>
>Hello,
>It seems that Solaris doesn't provide an Italic version of the fonts
>loaded at startup.  How do I get rid of the very annoying message to
>this effect when xemacs starts?  It's driving me absolutely nuts.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>-- 
>David Fenyes                               University of Texas Medical School
>dave@msrad72.med.uth.tmc.edu               Dept. of Radiology

It must be your choice of font. I'm using XEmacs under Solaris 2.5 with no
such startup messages.


Rick Rankin
rrankin@primenet.com

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Subject: Bug Report? Xemacs v19.14 for hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05 binary dist.
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I've installed the common code and binary distributions of version 
19.14 on our system. Xemacs seems to run cleanly until I select 
'exit' from the File menu; at that point, the editor dies and I expect
to get the prompt back in my hpterm window where I started Xemacs.
Instead, I see a stream of text that seems endlessly to scroll of the
hpterm window. I managed to capture a segment of the text, this is what
it looks like:

  Serial number of failed request:  2312
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2313
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2314
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2315
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

As I said, I'm using the binaries compiled for hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05.

The machine I am running on is an HP 9000/735 running HP-UX A.09.03.
I realize there is a minor difference between the 9.05 OS it was
compiled in and the 9.03 OS I am running; however, I ran the 9.05
binaries of Xemacs 19.12 without this error.

Thanks forand assistance.

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From: graham@graham.resnet.ucsb.edu (Graham C. Hughes)
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Just a point here:

eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
> >One last thing: Lisp as a language has withstood the test of time. It
<snip>

> I've been programming in lisp since my early teens, so you don't
> need to tell me how wonderful it is. Java the language is nothing
> new, I admit, but the language isn't the important thing... it's the
> java MACHINE that's cool. It's multithreaded, memory-safe,
> object-oriented... and best of all, it runs just about anywhere.  If

<snip>

The point is that Java has not won its spurs in any meaningful way.
Anyone else remember when 4GLs were supposed to replace imperative
languages like C?  Or when Ada was the next hot thing, and everything
under the sun absolutely *needed* to be rewritten in it?

Eugene's point that Java the language and the Java virtual machine are
separate is not strictly true.  I would acknoledge this if the VM
weren't so tightly linked with Java itself.  Where's my lazy
evaluation so I can port functional languages to it?  Where's my
pointers so my legacy C code can be used with it?  Where's my database
so Prolog code works?  Where's my persistence for SQL?

The VM *is* Java, just in the same way that the Python bytecode *is*
Python, and .elc files *are* Elisp.  At present, the only
(significant) language that uses the Java VM is Java itself.

I, like many, decline to join in the wonders of Java programming until
it becomes much older, largely for fear of SIDS.  The language is
barely a year or two old, and needs maturity and seasoning before many
(including myself) will entrust things to it.  Too many languages died
a quick and unremarkable death during the 70's and 80's for me to take
Java seriously yet.
-- 
Graham Hughes (graham@resnet.ucsb.edu)  finger for PGP key
``Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
	stupidity.'' -- Hanlon's Razor
Home page at: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~ghughes/

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In article <tvloftkmch.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

   >This is a ten year
   > difference.  Therefore, it would be reasonable to predict that Emacs
   > will be working on the systems ten years from now.  (AFAIK, Emacs is
   > older than MS DOS.)
   > 
   > I wouldn't want to predict anything about Java in three years!
   > 

   I would !
   Java will be very important !

   Why ? 

   Because even Microsoft invests in Java ( J++) ;-)

Well, then perhaps one should drop the project. Microsoft invested in
DOS, and almost everything running on earlier versions of DOS will not
run on current "OS" of theirs. DOS programs now run in "compatibility
boxes", which are a royal pain. You would not want to run a 16MB
editor application in a DOS box now, would you?

Microsoft invested in OS/2, and dropped it. Microsoft invested in
every one of their Windows versions, and most programs running under
earlier versions will behave poorly under newer ones, so that you'd
need to port them.

Microsofts editors and applications are all pretty wildly incompatible
with one another (although newer versions are typically able to load
and concert older documents on a one-way basis). The applications
themselves are always suffering major rewrites.

Mocrosoft is renowned for changing their OS internals in ways which
will break programs of third parties.

The free software community could simply not invest all the work
necessary "Microsoft support" could mean. Let's hope they don't get
their fingers into the Java project actively.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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In article <4u55oj$5cs@elna.ethz.ch> tvancura@physik.uni-kl.de (Tobias
Vancura) writes:

   I have recently installed Linux on my PC and I would like to run
   XEmacs using the auctex macros. I have both, the xemacs and the
   auctex macros, on my harddisk, but when I load a ".tex" file into
   the editor, I only get the normal tex-mode.

   I do not know how to switch to auctex. On the machine in the
   institute, emacs switches automatically to auctex when a TeX-file
   is loaded.

   Sorry, I guess this is a faq, but I could not find anything
   appropriate.

The AucTeX distribution comes with files named INSTALL and
README. Guess what they are for. The GPL requires that, if your system
comes with the above programs, you have to have access to the source
as well via the same channels.

If you have just non-installed binaries, that is very bad. Complain.

After the basic AucTeX installation process, the installation is
finished by basically editing tex-site.el (copying definitions you
want to change from the default from tex.el, and modifying them in
tex-site.el), then putting (require 'tex-site) into your system or
local user startup file (tex-site.el must be in your loadpath, the
rest of AucTeX not necessarily).

Typically you'll run M-x TeX-auto-generate-globel after that.
-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Ulrich" == Ulrich Hund <hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de> writes:
    Ulrich> [slow typing rate]

    Steven> There's got to be some system dependent window manager or
    Steven> X server (anti)magic involved here, as I'm not seeing a
    Steven> terrible slow down.  I am using Lucid Menubar/scrollbars,
    Steven> Athena dialog boxes, Linux/ELF with olvwm & XFree86 3.1.2
    Steven> (X11R6.1).

I am using fvwm2, Lucid M/s, Athena db and SunOS 4.1.4 with
X11R6. Maybe it is fvwm2, since typing seems faster now with twm. I
will check it out. Another guess would be function menu --- can this
be the reason?

Ulli

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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Roesler <miker@lamrc.com> writes:

Michael When I am running Xemacs 19.14 and and I start Netscape 1.12 (either from
Michael within Xemacs or externally) my workstation crashes. I am running a sparc 20
Michael with 
Michael Sun OS 4.1.3.

Michael Does anyone have any ideas why my system is crashing?

Not based on any facts, but my guess is that it's time to trade up
to Netscape 2.0 or 3.0 beta ... 

I'm running XE 19.14 on SunOS 4.1.4 (w/MIT X11R5) with NS 2.0 and had
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From: Michael Herfert <herfert@darmstadt.gmd.de>
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Subject: Re: etags and tcl language
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 14:05:15 +0200
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Brent Goodrick wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there know of any work being done to include the TCL
> language to the etags parser?
> 
Try
  etags --lang=none --regex='/proc[ \t]+\([^ \t]+\)/\1/'  TCLFILE

Michael

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From: dcook@xenu.utexas.edu (David M. Cook)
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Subject: Re: Don't know how to install aucTeX
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On 07 Aug 1996 10:26:30 +0200, David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:

>The AucTeX distribution comes with files named INSTALL and
>README. Guess what they are for. The GPL requires that, if your system
>comes with the above programs, you have to have access to the source
>as well via the same channels.

The source has to be modified for xemacs.  I've never been able 
get it to work.  I must have tried at least a dozen times.  There must be 
some trick to getting it to work (aside from what's in the FAQ) as there 
seem to be people on this group who are using it.

[...]
>Typically you'll run M-x TeX-auto-generate-globel after that.

Hmmm.  Not recognized by my xemacs (19.14), even with global spelled 
correctly.

Dave Cook


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From: Shane Canon <canon@laser.tunl.duke.edu>
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Subject: gdb mode
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I have recently upgrade xemacs to 19.14 on
our system and I have noticed that when
I attempt to run gdb it behaves differently
than it did in 19.13.  In 19.13 a code
buffer would switch to gdb mode.  In this
mode no editing would be allowed while the
debugger was running.  Now editing seems
to be allowed and some of the keys don't
work the same (n used to do a step, now
it inserts an n).  Is there just a variable
that controls this behavior or is it the
result of some change in the code?

Thanks

Shane



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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
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Subject: Challenge: colorize rgb.txt
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:31:55 -0400
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I propose the following challege.

Write a little elisp routine to colorize rgb.txt

For example, when the file is displayed, 
an entry such as

255 250 205		LemonChiffon

should appear with the word "Lemon Chiffon"
colored with backround color LemonChiffon.
Use the rgb specification (i.e. 255 250 205)
to determine if the foreground color should
be white or black.

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kcig2.att.att.com!cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@brwlserv wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Ulrich" == Ulrich Hund <hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de> writes:
>     Ulrich> [slow typing rate]
> 
>     Steven> There's got to be some system dependent window manager or
>     Steven> X server (anti)magic involved here, as I'm not seeing a
>     Steven> terrible slow down.  I am using Lucid Menubar/scrollbars,
>     Steven> Athena dialog boxes, Linux/ELF with olvwm & XFree86 3.1.2
>     Steven> (X11R6.1).
> 
> I am using fvwm2, Lucid M/s, Athena db and SunOS 4.1.4 with
> X11R6. Maybe it is fvwm2, since typing seems faster now with twm. I
> will check it out. Another guess would be function menu --- can this
> be the reason?

Fvwm Ver 2.0 pl 25
gcc version 2.6.3
SunOS brwlsc1 4.1.4 1 sun4m
Lucid M/s, Athena db
X11R5

Tried switching to olwm. No better there.

I have a 1112 line buffer open now, with some lines >100 chars. Cursor reponse
towards the end (near the long lines) is very slow. Near the top its OK. I have
line/column numbering on. I have no more buffers or windows open (save for
*scratch*)

trace -p <pid> give the following for a single cursor key press:

(note: extracted from repeating many presses, so may be parts of two presses)

sigstack (0, 0xefffee44) = 0
gettimeofday (0xeffff178, 0) = 0
select (10, 0xeffff0d8, 0xeffff0b8, 0xeffff098, 0xeffff100) = 1
sigblock (0x80000) = 0
sigblock (0x7fffffff) = 0x7ffefeff
sigblock (0x80000) = 0
sigblock (0x7fffffff) = 0x7ffefeff
gettimeofday (0xeffff330, 0xeffff338) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xeffff17c) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffeca4) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xeffff17c) = 0
select (256, 0xeffff188, 0, 0, 0xeffff1a8) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xeffff164) = 0
select (256, 0xeffff050, 0, 0, 0xeffff070) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe67c) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe67c) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe7cc) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe484) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe9ec) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe984) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe984) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe984) = 0
sigstack (0, 0xefffe984) = 0
write (7, "".., 132) = 132

Does this help any?
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From: peterv@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de (Peter Verveer)
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Subject: Customizing the toolbar?
Date: 7 Aug 1996 13:07:39 GMT
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The FAQ explains how to change the menubar. But what about the toolbar?
Is it possible to get rid of the icons, that I don't need?

Thanks,

-- 
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Subject: Xemacs Bug: Infinate Loop by Color Allocation Failure.
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I wrote a message yesterday about a problem where upon exit of
Xemacs 19.14 (binary version compiled for hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) the
window which started the process would fill with error messages like:

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2313
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2314
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  2315
  Current serial number in output stream:  38212

seemingly to scroll forever until I closed the window. I've tested
further and can reproduce the error consistantly; the bug must be caused
because the background to my HP Vue desktop (i.e. xsetroot ...) contains
many colors. The above mentioned bug only occurs when I recieve this
error on startup:

Warning: Cannot allocate colormap entry for "Gray40"

So the problem obviously seems that xemacs is trying to unallocate a
color it has never allocated and therefore get stuck in a loop.

I hope someone can offer a patch or instructions about changes to make
in the code.

Thanks!

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I find using truncate-lines and horizontal scrollbars very annoying
because of emacs' insistance on scrolling horizontally when I scroll
vertically (with the scrollbar or with M-v and C-v). I tried setting
`scroll-on-clipped-lines' to nil and this helps a bit, but somehow the
point still ends up on the first column in some cases.

Ideally I'd like no automatic horizontal scrolling at all when scrolling
vertically, even if it means the point is not visible. Is there some way
of telling xemacs to do this?
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"Peter" =3D=3D Peter Verveer <peterv@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de> writes:

 Peter> The FAQ explains how to change the menubar. But what about the tool=
bar?
 Peter> Is it possible to get rid of the icons, that I don't need?

Take x-toolbar.el as an example to re-define your own toolbar.

Here is what I did :

(defvar my-toolbar-spec
  '([toolbar-file-icon=09=09find-file=09t=09"Open a file"=09]
    [toolbar-folder-icon=09dired=09=09t=09"View directory"]
    [toolbar-disk-icon=09=09save-buffer=09t=09"Save buffer"=09]
    [toolbar-printer-icon=09ps-print-buffer-with-faces=09t=09"Pretty print =
buffer"=09]
    [:style 2d]
    [toolbar-cut-icon=09=09x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"]
    [toolbar-copy-icon=09=09x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"]
    [toolbar-paste-icon=09=09x-yank-clipboard-selection t
=09=09=09=09"Paste from clipboard"]
    [:style 2d]
    [toolbar-undo-icon=09=09undo=09=09t=09"Undo edit"=09]
    [toolbar-replace-icon=09query-replace=09t=09"Replace text"=09]
    [:style 2d]
    [toolbar-compile-icon=09toolbar-compile=09=09t=09"Compile"=09]
    [:style 2d]
    [toolbar-info-icon=09=09toolbar-info=09t=09"Information"=09]
    [:style 2d]
    [toolbar-mail-icon=09=09toolbar-mail=09t=09"Mail"=09=09]
    [toolbar-news-icon=09=09toolbar-news=09t=09"News"=09=09])
  "The initial toolbar for a buffer.")

(add-spec-to-specifier default-toolbar my-toolbar-spec)


Hope this helps ;-)

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Peter Verveer wrote:
> 
> The FAQ explains how to change the menubar. But what about the toolbar?
> Is it possible to get rid of the icons, that I don't need?

This is what I use:

put something like the following into your .emacs:

(defvar my-toolbar-spec
  '([toolbar-file-icon          find-file       t       "Open a file"   ]
    [toolbar-folder-icon        dired           t       "View directory"]
    [toolbar-disk-icon          save-buffer     t       "Save buffer"   ]
    [toolbar-printer-icon       toolbar-ps-print        t       "Print
region/buffer"   ]
    [toolbar-cut-icon           x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"]
    [toolbar-copy-icon          x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"]
    [toolbar-paste-icon         x-yank-clipboard-selection t
                                "Paste from clipboard"]
    [toolbar-undo-icon          undo            t       "Undo edit"     ]
    [toolbar-spell-icon         toolbar-ispell  t       "Spellcheck"    ]
    [toolbar-replace-icon       query-replace   t       "Replace text"  ]
    [toolbar-mail-icon          toolbar-mail    t       "Mail"          ]
    [toolbar-info-icon          toolbar-info    t       "Information"   ]
    [toolbar-compile-icon       toolbar-compile t       "Compile"       ]
    [toolbar-debug-icon         toolbar-debug   t       "Debug"         ]
    )
  "The my initial toolbar for a buffer.")

;; use my toolbar as default toolbar
(set-specifier default-toolbar my-toolbar-spec)

Regards,
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I am trying to be a good administrator
and set up site specific things in the
site-init.el file (which is located 
in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp).
I have tried setting some site specific
variables there such as gnu-local-organization,
but it doesn't seem to be taking.
Is there anything that must be done to
the site-init file to make it take effect?
Also, what things should be set for a site
to make things run smoothly.


Thanks,
Shane Canon

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caig1.att.att.com!cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@brwlserv wrote:
Shane Canon wrote:
> I am trying to be a good administrator
> and set up site specific things in the
> site-init.el file (which is located
> in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp).
> I have tried setting some site specific
> variables there such as gnu-local-organization,
> but it doesn't seem to be taking.
> Is there anything that must be done to
> the site-init file to make it take effect?
> Also, what things should be set for a site
> to make things run smoothly.

Try calling it site-start.el instead. Works for me :)

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Hi,

Could someone please point me to a simple calculator
for Xemacs?

I've tried using "calc-2.02" by Dave Gillespie, but
it seems to have been written for Emacs, not Xemacs.
(I get errors when the code tries to 'aset' a keymap since
the keymap is not a vector, bit vector, or string.)

Also, that package is HUGE - 1.5 MB of uncompiled elisp!

I'm hoping to find something a little more lightweight.

Thanks - please copy me directly on any response.


Gordon Grimes
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(919) 991-4393

My opinions are my own. (Though at times I, too, disclaim them.)


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I know this is a dumb question, but where is the site 
that keeps the latest versions of tm ?

Thanks,

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Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:

> Is there a parenthesis (or bracket)-matching command? I am looking for
> something like the % command in VI.
> 
> Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Put this in your .emacs file:

;; do % parenthesis matching in emacs, as in vi
(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis else insert %."
  (interactive "p")
  (cond ((looking-at "[([{]") (forward-sexp 1) (backward-char))
        ((looking-at "[])}]") (forward-char) (backward-sexp 1))
        (t (self-insert-command (or arg)))))
(global-set-key "%" 'match-paren)

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 graham@graham.resnet.ucsb.edu (Graham C. Hughes)  wrote:
>
>The point is that Java has not won its spurs in any meaningful way.
>Anyone else remember when 4GLs were supposed to replace imperative
>languages like C?  Or when Ada was the next hot thing, and everything
>under the sun absolutely *needed* to be rewritten in it?

4GLs tried to radically change the way programmers wrote code, and they 
just didn't buy it.  Ada was "the next hot thing" only because the Defense 
Department tried to order it to be so. It was designed by committee, it was 
big and confusing, and it tried to be all things to all programmers.

Java has none of these problems, but it does answer a very real need for 
platform independance in the industry today. Okay, maybe it does have some 
achilles heel I don't know about yet, but dammit, I'm exited, and I usually 
don't fall for every fad that passes me by. 

I wasn't intrigued by pretty little applets, when I first saw them. I looked 
into Java further, fully expecting it to be limited to such trivial 
applications. It was only when I started coding in clean, simple, modular Java 
that I said "hey! This is a really COOL language!" I have designed and 
implemented languages myself, and experimented with so many more I can't 
possibly remember all their names. I'm not easy to impress, but Java blew me 
away: not so much by the language, which is nice but hardly innovative, but by 
the idea of it running EVERYWHERE, and presenting the same programmer 
interface to different operating system environments.

>Eugene's point that Java the language and the Java virtual machine are
>separate is not strictly true.  I would acknoledge this if the VM
>weren't so tightly linked with Java itself.  Where's my lazy
>evaluation so I can port functional languages to it?  Where's my
>pointers so my legacy C code can be used with it?  Where's my database
>so Prolog code works?  Where's my persistence for SQL?

Take a look at a bare Intel CPU. Where is the lazy evaluation? where is... 
okay, it does have pointers, but where is the database? They aren't written in 
the microcode, yet intel machines can handle it somehow.

If your target machine doesn't have the software features you need, they can 
be emulated. To emulate lazy evaluation in Java, simply add an evaluate() 
method to the objects representing your expressions. To emulate pointers, 
allocate a big byte array that represents C "memory", and treat array offsets 
as "pointers". As for databases, there is nothing stopping you from writing 
one of those in Java either. 

The theory of computation states that all automatons can be emulated by a 
Touring machine. I have a less abstract but more practical motto: If you can 
do it on Intel, you can do it damn near anywhere!

>The VM *is* Java, just in the same way that the Python bytecode *is*
>Python, and .elc files *are* Elisp.  At present, the only
>(significant) language that uses the Java VM is Java itself.

Nope. There are already scheme and common lisp interpereters that run on the 
Java VM, not to mention a REXX compiler. Would you describe common lisp as 
"not significant?" On a related note, ParcPlace has adapted their smalltalk 
development environment for developing Java executables. In time, I am sure 
others will follow these examples.

>I, like many, decline to join in the wonders of Java programming until
>it becomes much older, largely for fear of SIDS.  The language is
>barely a year or two old, and needs maturity and seasoning before many
>(including myself) will entrust things to it.  Too many languages died
>a quick and unremarkable death during the 70's and 80's for me to take
>Java seriously yet.

I respect your decision to be cautious, but as for me, I'm throwing my weight 
behind it. I hope my contribution will make a small but crucial difference 
between success and failure for the language (and more importantly, the 
machine) as a whole.  ;-)

Anyway, Java might never live up to the hype, or take over the world, but it 
isn't going to disappear either. As long as there are web browsers, there will 
be Java. It will be like a belly button: nobody will think about it, but 
everyone will have one. As long as people have it, code will be written for 
it, and it will remain a living environment.

-Eugene

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From: Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
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Subject: Re: Challenge: colorize rgb.txt
Date: 07 Aug 1996 17:58:13 +0200
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>>>>> Stewart Mandell writes:

  Stewart> Write a little elisp routine to colorize rgb.txt

M-x list-colors-display RET

Do I get a beer now?  :-)

kai
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>>>>> "H" == Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:


    H> Well, yes. The MIME-Edit menu contains an entry "About split"
    H> which toggles splitting for the current message
    H> composition. 

Gee, I never even noticed that menu. Sorry. Thanks.

    H> The lisp variable 'mime-editor/split-message' controls this on
    H> a lower level, so you can also set it to 'nil in order to
    H> disable automatic splitting at any time.

thanks

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You can add commands to the `auto-show-inhibiting-commands' list.
Currently, it just has the scrollbar commands on it.

--pete

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>>>>> "John" == John S Cooper <jsc@eng.sun.com> writes:

> Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:
>> XEmacs calls an X window a frame and a view of a buffer a window.  Use
>> `other-window' which is usually bound to "C-x o".

> Just FYI, it's also bound to C-TAB, which I find particularly useful!

Not that I've seen!  "C-x o" has been the standard binding for other-window
since the days when Emacs was an enhancement to TECO.

"C-TAB" sounds like a local addition...
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How about re-posting your patch with all the improvements and fixes
incorporated.  That way those of us who really aren't conversant with
the code can easily apply the total patch set you and Martin are
suggesting.

Thanks,
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Is there a way to limit the length of the names of the buffers that are
displayed in the pull-down buffer menu?  Both VM and Gnus Message have a
tendency to create very long buffer names that many times have come close to
being to big to display on my screen.

Better -- is there a better way to have VM and Gnus Message generate their
buffer names so they aren't quite so big??
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In article <DvqLHn.D1s@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:

> I want to write an extensible editor for Java. What kind of extension
> language should I use?
As the elisp experience shows, you want to use a language that allows easy
redefinition and no compile-link overhead. As ad-hoc query languages are
important for a DBMS, so is an ad-hoc redefinition language important for
the customisation of an editor (or any other highly-customisable program).

People suggested JavaScript may have this functionality. I don't know.

> If you want that kind of functionality
I think we want it.

> The all-around everything-including-the-kitchen-sink application in question 
> here is Java itself.
Hm... Java is a language, you can also call it an environment, but
application? I'm not sure. There's been a lot of great language
environments over the years, one example is Forth. Of course, Java has the
advantage of being network-centric.

> I've been thinking about text a lot lately, and I think it would be
> useful to store and manipulate the text in a more abstract form

I read a year ago about an editor where each individual character is
represented as an object (or a "lightweight" object).

> If the text was parsed and organized into a syntax tree, it might yeild
> more readily to useful manipulation.
You may be right. There's been a lot of discussion on the emacs groups that
more proper syntax representations should be used than the not powerful
enough syntax tables, and ad-hoc solutions as in cc-mode. (These are needed
in emacs for syntax coloring and syntax-based indenting.) The major problem
is how you update this during editing. Syntax-based editors deal with this
by only allowing you to manipulate whole syntax units at a time, but this
way has proved to be a bit inflexible (IMHO).

> context-sensitive tab-completion
What exactly do you have in mind? When in a "variable" position, complete
only with variable names, and when in a "function" position, with function
names? Emacs does not a bad job for elisp, just by seeing if the previous
char is a "(", but fails in the context of "(let ((". BTW it's not a
coincidence that elisp has the best support in emacs. Sure it's been the
focus of attention since the earliest days of emacs, but also its syntax
and its symbolic nature make it amenable for good editor support. Eg
presenting an apropos list of all variable names matching a regexp is as
simple as filtering the global obarray (symbol table). I fund such online
dynamic documentation capabilities very important for an extension language.

> How about the ability to double-click on a curly-brace, and have the code 
> within the braces collapse into a little [+] symbol?
This can be done without a proper syntax tree. At least for languages with
decent syntax.

> Double-click on a function, and go to the definition?
This is available, with tags or more dynamically with imenu.

> When text gets inserted, often the inserted text and everything after it
> must be re-parsed
Exactly.

> This should be done in a seperate, low-priority thread
This is a nice idea. But like garbage collection or stealthy fontification,
it always seems secondary jobs are way behind just when you need them most :-)

Regards, Vlad

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    "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

    Eugene> If you want to program in lisp, be my guest... there's
    Eugene> already a scheme interpereter that runs in Java. Or, if
    Eugene> you don't like that, you could write your own elisp-like
    Eugene> language that compiles into Java bytecodes. You probably
    Eugene> couldn't get it to run existing, unmodified elisp, but it
    Eugene> could have the same syntax. The language isn't important:
    Eugene> it is orthoganal to the machine, and to the concept of an
    Eugene> extensible editor.

How hard would it be to write a compiler that compiles elisp to the
java VM? It might be interesting to do just that - a lot of legacy
elisp code could then be cross compiled to run in an "Emacs
compatibility box" of the new java editor ;-) 

Well, I finally got me a copy of "The Java Programming Language" by
Ken Arnold (?) and J Gosling. As yet, it's just C++ to me but I'm sure
the fun will show up.....

Cheers!
Shyamal
-- 
These opinions are mine, not my employers.

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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

> Applets extend browsers like elisp extends emacs,  but they are extensions to 
> a browser, not an editor. The fact that I have an extensible browser doesn't 
> bring me any closer to having an extensible editor. What we need is an EDITOR 
> that is extensible. Thankfully, this isn't difficult if we write it in Java.

Bzzzt.  Wrong.  But thank you for playing...  :-)

Really, what we need is a *SYSTEM* that is extensible!  Whether that system is
a browser or an editor (or something else) shouldn't make a difference.  For
an extension language to be truly useful it needs something to extend and that
extension capability has to be all encompassing (for instance, allowing cute
messages to be displayed in the status bar, but not allowing the shape of the
status bar to change is not good enough).

How about some examples?  How might you like to extend a browser with editing
in mind?

1. Configurable key/mouse sequences?
2. Emacs *and* vi (and ...) bindings?
3. Load any file and post-process them?  (security?)
4. Multi-file/multi-buffer/multi-frame support?
5. Save files for future work?  (security?)
6. Editor scripting language that can address lines and characters in file?

What other ways might you want to extend a browser that don't necessarily
pertain to editing via an extension language?

1. Construct window-system widgets on the fly?
2. Access system resources (like TCP/IP)?  (security?)

You could probably extend these lists, but one thing that just came thru to me
is the security issue.  In a networked environment where extensions are gotten
from the net and these extensions could potentially request other extensions
from the net, security should be a big concern.  This may be the single issue
that would kill an Emacs in Java project (or regulate it non-importance)
because the open flexibility of Emacs would have to reigned in for the
security concerns.
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c> How about re-posting your patch with all the improvements and fixes
c> incorporated.

Here you go.  This patch incorporates the extended drop code and the
fix that makes it work properly.  This is only for people who haven't
already applied it.

	<b

*** lisp/prim/frame.el	Mon Aug  5 19:08:55 1996
--- lisp/prim/frame.el.~1~	Mon Jun 17 07:02:12 1996
***************
*** 773,791 ****
  (or deselect-frame-hook
      (add-hook 'deselect-frame-hook 'default-deselect-frame-hook))
  
! (defun default-drag-and-drop-functions (frame filepath &optional data)
    "Implements the `drag-and-drop-functions' variable.
  For use as the value of `drag-and-drop-functions'.
! This default simply pops up a file in the selected frame or, if the
! dragged object is a buffer, inserts it at point."
!   (if data
!       (progn
! 	(insert data))
!     (let ((x pop-up-windows))
      (setq pop-up-windows nil)
      (pop-to-buffer (find-file-noselect filepath) nil frame)
      (make-frame-visible frame)
!     (setq pop-up-windows x))))
  
  (and (boundp 'drag-and-drop-functions)
       (or drag-and-drop-functions
--- 773,787 ----
  (or deselect-frame-hook
      (add-hook 'deselect-frame-hook 'default-deselect-frame-hook))
  
! (defun default-drag-and-drop-functions (frame filepath)
    "Implements the `drag-and-drop-functions' variable.
  For use as the value of `drag-and-drop-functions'.
! This default simply pops up the file in the selected frame."
!   (let ((x pop-up-windows))
      (setq pop-up-windows nil)
      (pop-to-buffer (find-file-noselect filepath) nil frame)
      (make-frame-visible frame)
!     (setq pop-up-windows x)))
  
  (and (boundp 'drag-and-drop-functions)
       (or drag-and-drop-functions
*** src/frame-x.c	Tue Aug  6 11:50:23 1996
--- src/frame-x.c.~1~	Fri Jun 21 20:46:02 1996
***************
*** 941,947 ****
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath, *buf, *data;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
--- 941,947 ----
  x_cde_transfer_callback (Widget widget, XtPointer clientData,
  			 XtPointer callData)
  {
!   char *filePath;
    int ii;
    Lisp_Object path = Qnil;
    Lisp_Object frame = Qnil;
***************
*** 965,988 ****
  	  va_run_hook_with_args (Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 2, frame, path);
  	}
      }
-   else if (transferInfo->dropData->protocol == DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER)
-     {
-       for (ii = 0; ii < transferInfo->dropData->numItems; ii++)
- 	{
- 	  filePath = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].name;
- 	  if (filePath != NULL)
- 	    {
- 	      path = make_string (filePath, strlen (filePath));
- 	    }
- 	  else
- 	    {
- 	      path = Qnil;
- 	    }
- 	  buf = transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].bp;
- 	  data = make_string (buf, transferInfo->dropData->data.buffers[ii].size);
- 	  va_run_hook_with_args(Qdrag_and_drop_functions, 3, frame, path, data);
- 	}
-     }
    
    UNGCPRO;
    return;
--- 965,970 ----
***************
*** 1649,1657 ****
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
! 			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER | DtDND_BUFFER_TRANSFER,
! 			 XmDROP_COPY, dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
! 			 DtNtextIsBuffer, True,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }
--- 1631,1639 ----
      dnd_transfer_cb_rec[1].closure = NULL;
  
      DtDndVaDropRegister (FRAME_X_TEXT_WIDGET (f),
! 			 DtDND_FILENAME_TRANSFER,
! 			 XmDROP_COPY,
! 			 dnd_transfer_cb_rec,
  			 DtNpreserveRegistration, False,
  			 NULL);
    }
*** src/frame.c	Wed Aug  7 12:09:57 1996
--- src/frame.c.~1~	Fri Jun 21 20:19:12 1996
***************
*** 3060,3069 ****
  #ifdef HAVE_CDE
    DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
  Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
! Each function is called with either two or three args.  If called with
! two args, the args are a frame and a pathname.  If with three, the
! args are a frame, a pathname (which will be either a string or nil)
! and the textual representation of the dragged object.
  */ );
    Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
  #endif
--- 3060,3066 ----
  #ifdef HAVE_CDE
    DEFVAR_LISP ("drag-and-drop-functions", &Vdrag_and_drop_functions /*
  Function or functions to run when an object is dropped on a frame.
! Each function is called with two args, a frame and a pathname.
  */ );
    Vdrag_and_drop_functions = Qnil;
  #endif

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 Shyamal Prasad  wrote:
>
>    "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:
>
>    Eugene> If you want to program in lisp, be my guest... there's
>    Eugene> already a scheme interpereter that runs in Java. Or, if
>    Eugene> you don't like that, you could write your own elisp-like
>    Eugene> language that compiles into Java bytecodes. You probably
>    Eugene> couldn't get it to run existing, unmodified elisp, but it
>    Eugene> could have the same syntax. The language isn't important:
>    Eugene> it is orthoganal to the machine, and to the concept of an
>    Eugene> extensible editor.
>
>How hard would it be to write a compiler that compiles elisp to the
>java VM? It might be interesting to do just that - a lot of legacy
>elisp code could then be cross compiled to run in an "Emacs
>compatibility box" of the new java editor ;-) 

Getting the language syntax right shouldn't be horribly difficult. The hard 
part would be doing something meaningful with all the function calls that 
depend on subtle implementation-specific features of emacs. You could 
certianly make up an elisp-LIKE language for an emacs-LIKE editor, but making 
it 100% elisp compatable would involve porting nothing less than all of emacs, 
warts and all, to Java.

That sounds like a whole lot of work, to get something you already have!

>Well, I finally got me a copy of "The Java Programming Language" by
>Ken Arnold (?) and J Gosling. As yet, it's just C++ to me but I'm sure
>the fun will show up.....

C++? Gack! Java is more like what C++ SHOULD have been, not the bloated 
monstrosity it actually was.

-Eugene

>Cheers!
>Shyamal

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dcook@xenu.utexas.edu (David M. Cook) writes:

> The source has to be modified for xemacs.  I've never been able 
> get it to work.  I must have tried at least a dozen times.  There must be 
> some trick to getting it to work (aside from what's in the FAQ) as there 
> seem to be people on this group who are using it.

No it hasn't. I just installed AucTeX 9.5a here on 19.14 and appart from
func-doc.el (which not part of the official package) and a
make all ; make install works fine here after editing the
configuration variables in the Makefile. (I already have a proper
tex-site.el since I had a previous version working).

AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
Abrahamsen (clap clap) in particular his 'easymenu' package.
Which leads to what is probably the problem:

Most problems with AucTeX are one of two

1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
   Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly BEFORE installing
2. You have an old version of easymeny.el in your path
   FIX; use locate-library and remove old versions to make-sure it
   ONLY finds the one that came with XEmacs

Jan

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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>In article <DvqLHn.D1s@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
>
>> I want to write an extensible editor for Java. What kind of extension
>> language should I use?
>As the elisp experience shows, you want to use a language that allows easy
>redefinition and no compile-link overhead. As ad-hoc query languages are
>important for a DBMS, so is an ad-hoc redefinition language important for
>the customisation of an editor (or any other highly-customisable program).

I've been getting a lot of feedback saying people want something like elisp, 
and I can see merit in many of their arguments. I still think some degree of 
seperation between the extensible editor and the extension language(s) would 
be a good idea, but a language that works with the editor like yacc works with 
lex could give us the best of both worlds. If this language could be 
interpereted during development and then compiled to java bytecodes for 
production, better still.

Seperate, but tightly integrated. I think that's the way to go. What do you 
think?

>> If the text was parsed and organized into a syntax tree, it might yeild
>> more readily to useful manipulation.
>You may be right. There's been a lot of discussion on the emacs groups that
>more proper syntax representations should be used than the not powerful
>enough syntax tables, and ad-hoc solutions as in cc-mode. (These are needed
>in emacs for syntax coloring and syntax-based indenting.) The major problem
>is how you update this during editing. Syntax-based editors deal with this
>by only allowing you to manipulate whole syntax units at a time, but this
>way has proved to be a bit inflexible (IMHO).

No, I was definitely thinking of something that dealt, at the simplest level, 
with an editable sequence of characters. The text should be editable at the 
syntactic level, but also as just text.

>> context-sensitive tab-completion
>What exactly do you have in mind? When in a "variable" position, complete
>only with variable names, and when in a "function" position, with function
>names? 

precisely.

>Emacs does not a bad job for elisp, just by seeing if the previous
>char is a "(", but fails in the context of "(let ((". BTW it's not a
>coincidence that elisp has the best support in emacs. Sure it's been the
>focus of attention since the earliest days of emacs, but also its syntax
>and its symbolic nature make it amenable for good editor support. Eg
>presenting an apropos list of all variable names matching a regexp is as
>simple as filtering the global obarray (symbol table). I fund such online
>dynamic documentation capabilities very important for an extension language.

An editor that keeps more context-sensitive information shouldn't be fooled by 
"(let ((", and should even handle much hairier syntaxes, like C or Java. You 
can't depend on everything being as easy to parse as lisp!

>> How about the ability to double-click on a curly-brace, and have the code 
>> within the braces collapse into a little [+] symbol?

>This can be done without a proper syntax tree. At least for languages with
>decent syntax.

Yes, but if you have syntax trees anyway (and I do think there are plenty of
other reasons to want them) things like this follow naturally, instead of 
being exeptions to exeptions. Consider:

sorting classes, and methods within them, into alphebetical order.
finding all syntax errors BEFORE compiling your code.
renaming variables safely, without touching similarly-named variables.
complex reformatting (things like translating infix notation to postfix)
 
All of these could conceivably be done without the aid of a dynamically 
maintained syntax tree, but the availiability of it would simplify (and 
accellerate) all of them immensely.

>> This should be done in a seperate, low-priority thread
>This is a nice idea. But like garbage collection or stealthy fontification,
>it always seems secondary jobs are way behind just when you need them most :-)

Um, what is "stealthy fontification?"

-Eugene

>Regards, Vlad

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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

Ray> I know this is a dumb question, but where is the site 
Ray> that keeps the latest versions of tm ?

There are references to tm in both the XEmacs FAQ and the Gnus FAQ:

XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_3_2
Gnus FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html#Q1_11


From: MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>
Subject: tm 7.76
  ...
  It is available from

        ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/beta/  (Japan)

or its mirrors

        ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/beta/ (Japan)
        ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/beta/ (US)

Or following site is available in Europe:

        ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/

If you know another mirrors, in particular in Europe, please teach me.



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In article <4u6qu8$2t7@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be>, grayc@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be wrote:
>
>In article <DvoHKE.GF6@world.std.com>, eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil)
> writes:
>>Applets extend browsers like elisp extends emacs,  but they are extensions to 
>>a browser, not an editor. The fact that I have an extensible browser doesn't 
>>bring me any closer to having an extensible editor. What we need is an EDITOR 
>>that is extensible. Thankfully, this isn't difficult if we write it in Java.
>>
>
>To extend something `like elisp extends emacs' is to transform it into
>something else.  elisp transforms emacs into a development environment,
>newsreader, mailer, www browser ... ergo, anything which transformed a
>www browser  `like elisp extends emacs' would not stop at 3D animated
>buttons and status bar messages.
>
>Then again, maybe java in its www applet form isn't like elisp at all.
>Maybe it's more like X11.

Java is a full programming language. It can do anything. When you write an 
applet, you can do anything, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE APPLET. You could write, 
for instance, a text editing applet: but that wouldn't turn the browser as a 
whole into an editor, just the little sub-window containing your applet. You 
could edit with that (though you couldn't open files because of security 
restrictions), but the browser really wouldn't be helping you any: it would be 
little more than a window-frame. I don't think that's what we want.

The problem is that a browser is designed to do one thing: display text and 
buttons and things, but not edit them or even communicate meaningfully with 
them. I suppose I wasn't correct when I said that java extends browsers 
like elisp extends emacs: there are limits to how much you can modify a 
browser through applets, because browsers don't expect applets to do much more 
than sit there and look pretty.  

What we need to do is forget about the limitations of the browser, and start 
writing a program that has editing in mind from the ground up. Something that 
knows how to ask it's extensions to do more than sit there and look pretty. In 
other words, something like emacs.

-Eugene


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On 07 Aug 1996 22:45:43 +0200, Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> wrote:

>No it hasn't. I just installed AucTeX 9.5a here on 19.14 and appart from
>func-doc.el (which not part of the official package) and a
>make all ; make install works fine here after editing the
>configuration variables in the Makefile. (I already have a proper
>tex-site.el since I had a previous version working).

Sorry, I stated that the wrong way.  Modifying the Makefile is what I 
meant.  Could you possibly send me you're Makefile if you still have your 
build tree lying around?

>AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
>a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
>Abrahamsen (clap clap) in particular his 'easymenu' package.
>Which leads to what is probably the problem:

I'm very greatful as well.  But I can only get it to work with GNU Emacs.

>1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
>   Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly BEFORE installing

I've done that.

>2. You have an old version of easymeny.el in your path
>   FIX; use locate-library and remove old versions to make-sure it
>   ONLY finds the one that came with XEmacs

Ok, I fixed that.  Still no go.

I'm also confused about 2 other things:

(defvar TeX-macro-global '("/usr/lib/texmf/tex/")
in tex-site.el works for gnu emacs, but it's not a directory on my 
system (I'm using teTeX.)  I've tried using something closer to what's in 
my teTeX tree, but only that one seems to work.

Also, I did not have any texinfo .elc files in /usr/lib/xemacs/site-lisp 
directory, so I tried to modify the make in the emacs direcotry of 
the texinfo source to produce them.  But I have no idea if this is the 
correct way to do this.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Dave Cook


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>>> "uknt" == uknt  <uknt@micro.lucent.com> writes:

uknt> I have a 1112 line buffer open now, with some lines >100
uknt> chars. Cursor reponse towards the end (near the long lines) is
uknt> very slow. Near the top its OK. I have line/column numbering on.

Perhaps you'd get enlightened by looking at how line numbering is
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From: Ed Goei <edg@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Whenever I try and preview a message in VM with tm7.70 (XEmacs 19.14) and
it contains a "Content-Type: application/postscript" line, I get this
error:

    Searching for program: no such file or directory, pstogif
    Wrote /tmp/tma001RG.ps

and the preview buffer is messed up.  It's apparently looking for a program
called "pstogif".  How can I set things up so that it just says that I have
a postscript attachment so I can look at it manually later?  Also, where
can I get "pstogif"?

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>>>>> "Philippe" == Philippe Gaudin <Philippe.Gaudin@eurocontrol.be> writes:

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Verveer <peterv@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de> writes:

Peter> The FAQ explains how to change the menubar. But what about the
Peter> toolbar?  Is it possible to get rid of the icons, that I don't
Peter> need?

Philippe> Take x-toolbar.el as an example to re-define your own toolbar.

That's the only method right now.  There was a wonderful piece of
code, written by Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>, that was submitted too
late to get into 19.14 that allows for editing the default toolbar
(and should be part of 19.15).  Perhaps Peter would consider posting
it?

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>>>>> "Ulrich" == Ulrich Hund <hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de> writes:

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Ulrich" == Ulrich Hund <hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de> writes:
Ulrich> [slow typing rate]

Steven> There's got to be some system dependent window manager or
Steven> X server (anti)magic involved here, as I'm not seeing a
Steven> terrible slow down.  I am using Lucid Menubar/scrollbars,
Steven> Athena dialog boxes, Linux/ELF with olvwm & XFree86 3.1.2
Steven> (X11R6.1).

Ulrich> I am using fvwm2, Lucid M/s, Athena db and SunOS 4.1.4 with
Ulrich> X11R6. Maybe it is fvwm2, since typing seems faster now with twm. I
Ulrich> will check it out. Another guess would be function menu --- can this
Ulrich> be the reason?

Yup.  Two other known (potentially) slow modules are lazy-lock and
line-number-mode.

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>>>>> "JP" == JP Freeley <jpf@mvision.com> writes:

JP> Does xemacs have an irc mode??

There are several, but none seemed to work very well with XEmacs when
I experimented with them some time ago.  It has been reported that
irchat now works with XEmacs.
	ftp://cs.hut.fi/pub/irchat/irchat-2.53.tar.gz

You might also try zenirc, but several servers that I tried it on
called it an `eggdrop' and refused to allow it to connect.
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 still slow with many frames --- solutions?
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>>>> Thus spake 'Ulrich Hund (hund@mail.math.tu-berlin.de)':
[snip]
 UH> I am using fvwm2, Lucid M/s, Athena db and SunOS 4.1.4 with
 UH> X11R6. Maybe it is fvwm2, since typing seems faster now with twm. I
 UH> will check it out. Another guess would be function menu --- can this
 UH> be the reason?

Window managers shouldn't be entering into the equation unless XEmacs is doing
some window frame changes that cause the window manager to be invoked or focus
to change. Remember that the window manager is just another application to
X. You could just as easily start up X and have XEmacs running without a window
manager.

I have noticed flashing in other open frames when working in a frame that has
no connection to the other frames (ie distinct buffers). Apparently, something
is causing a refresh/visit to a frame while working in another frame.

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From: padmai@isi.edu (Padma Indraganti)
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I run Xemacs 19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3. When I change the font size
and weight and choose "Save Options" in the Options menu, as the 
manual advises, the options never get changed. The old .emacs file is 
exactly the same as the new one. NO change in xemacs-options. Am I 
doing something wrong? how can I save the options?
Is there a postscript version of the Xemacs manual available for 
printing? I could not find the answer to this in the FAQ.

thanks in advance.   
--Padma

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>>>>> "B" == br  <br@eng.sun.com> writes:

B> Steven L Baur wrote: 

>> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all
>> source code model to closed, black box binary code.

B> It's sort of scary to see people on comp.lang.java (or maybe you're
B> posting from comp.*emacs) saying that Java is a closed binary black
B> box. We do make the source code available. 

I don't think that Steven (who is posting from comp.?emacs) was
refering to the source code to the Java language.  Rather, I believe
he was refering to the packages which would be written in Java.  Emacs
has had a long tradition of providing all source... already many Java
applets are only available in compiled form.

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From: Martin Gregory <mgregory@asc.sps.mot.com>
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Hello,

Recently I had a remote file in a buffer, then deleted the remote
file (by logging into the remote machine and rming it).

>From that time on, any operations on the buffer (such as saving it,
which I wanted to do to 'recreate' the remote file) report

"File exists but cannot be read".

That is a lie - the file does _not_ exist (and hence cannot be read).

Martin.


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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <ul1d9144va9.fsf@benny.shef.ac.uk> Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:

> \include , \input , \includegraphics, \usepackage etc commands have their
> arguments as hypertext buttons

Get ffap.el (find file at point) from
ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu/pub/mic/emacs/. It knows nothing about these
particular commands, so it cannot make the filenames mouse buttons,
but it knows that when you press C-x C-f in a tex buffer, the word at
point might be a filename, so it tries it with .sty and .tex prefixes in
the current dir and in the tex input path.

Also make sure you use bib-cite.el which is in the auctex distribution but
not activated by default. It makes easy to follow/display \cite and \ref
targets. 

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In article <32070E98.41C6@proventum.net> Carsten Hess <carsten@proventum.net> writes:

> Does anyone know of any extensions to, or newer versions of
> html-helper-mode

Yes, get it from http://www.santafe.edu/~nelson/tools/ or
ftp://ftp.reed.edu/pub/src/. Two extension files are called tables.el and
hhm-netscape.el 

However, if you want to have a tool tuned to the latest html, you should
use psgml from the xemacs 19.14 distribution. Then you just feed it the
latest HTML DTD and you're all set.

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"Steven" =3D=3D Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

 >>>>>> "Ray" =3D=3D Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 Ray> I know this is a dumb question, but where is the site 
 Ray> that keeps the latest versions of tm ?

 Steven> If you know another mirrors, in particular in Europe, please teach=
 me.

I found one at :

ftp://rs104.hrz.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime

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From: eragros@hfera.ericsson.se (Goran Groschner LK/NKG)
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Hi !

Where can I find out which colours are to be applied on fonts.

e.g.

(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "forest green")

Regards,
Gran






















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"Goran" =3D=3D Goran Groschner LK/NKG <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:

 Goran> Hi !
 Goran> Where can I find out which colours are to be applied on fonts.

 Goran> e.g.

 Goran> (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "forest green")

Add (load "facemenu") to your .emacs. You will then get a new
"Text properties" submenu in the "Edit" menu. Then choose the 
"Display colors" option. 

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Save option in buffers menu + bug report
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Don Christensen wrote:
> 
> However, there is one feature I would like to have.  It would be nice if
> there was some indication in the simple buffers menu (without using
> multi-operation sub-menus) of whether a buffer was modified.  Maybe
> something like a check-box or putting the buffer name in bold.

Hi Don, 

here is what I use to show the buffers menu. Three things are changed 
from the default setup:

- the home-directory is abbreviated with '~'
- read-only buffers are marked '%'
- unsaved buffers are marked '*'

---------------------- cut here
(defvar my-home-directory nil)

(defun my-set-home-directory ()
  (setq-default my-home-directory (expand-file-name "~")))
(my-set-home-directory)

(defun my-format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
  (if (string-match "\\` " (buffer-name buffer))
      nil
    (let ((buf-readonly 
	   (if (symbol-value-in-buffer 'buffer-read-only buffer) "%" " 
"))
	  (buf-modified 
	   (if (buffer-modified-p buffer) "*" " "))
	  (buf-name (or (buffer-file-name buffer)
			(buffer-name buffer))))
      (progn
	(setq buf-name 
	      (replace-in-string buf-name my-home-directory "~" t))
	(format "%s %s %s"
		buf-readonly
		buf-modified
		buf-name)))))

(defun format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
        (my-format-buffers-menu-line buffer))
---------------------- cut here

For even more details you could use 'slow-format-buffers-menu-line' 
instead of 'my-format-buffers-menu-line' in the last defun. But for my 
taste that is way too slow and too much overhead...

HTH,
Thomas

P.S.: There is an old reference in the INFO!!! 

(describe-function slow-format-buffers-menu-line) points to
'buffers-menu-format-buffer-line-function' instead of
'format-buffers-menu-line'

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In article <DvsEC3.1EC@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
> some degree of seperation between the extensible editor and the extension
> language(s) would be a good idea

Why? The only reason I can think of would be efficiency. Is that what you
have in mind?

The desirable propery of extension languages that we are discussing
(easy redefinability) goes somewhat opposite to efficiency, but not
necessarily. Eg in Self (a prototype-based OO language) one can do
extensive redefinition (what would correspond to changing the class of an
existing object), but efficiency is regained by caching the results of
method search and reusing them between invocation. Kind of like JIT
compilation, only that a redefinition invalidates the compiled code
(cache). 

> If this language could be interpereted during development and then
> compiled to java bytecodes for production, better still.

Can java bytecodes be dynamically changed? How modular java bytecodes are?
I know a bit about smalltalk codes, and it's not a problem to replace a
method or a whole class at runtime (actually that's what the editor/browser
does). 

> Seperate, but tightly integrated. I think that's the way to go.
Why? What are your arguments?

One aspect that hasn't been extensively discussed yet is the functional
nature of elisp. (I frowned when someone called lisp a dying language. Lisp,
or similar functional languages are here to stay, exactly because of their
better theoretical foundation.) What benefits does this give for
customisation of emacs?
- anonymous functions. (This is largely a matter of convenience.)
- functions are available for manipulation as any other object. This allows
  for some really nice things, eg see advice.el, edebug, or the bytecompiler
  itself.
How well does java fare here?

> the availiability of a syntax tree would simplify (and accellerate) all
> of them immensely.
Agreed, it's a nice thing to have. Two pessimistic remarks:
- it can be done in elisp (or an OO extension of elisp), Java won't give
  you any advantage here.
- is it really worth it? If in 5% of the cases my fontification is wrong,
  or completion doesn't work, big deal! It would be nice if someone takes
  up the task of writing it, though.
(And someone from Russia says in another poster that he has.)

> Um, what is "stealthy fontification?"
It waits until you're idle for say 30 seconds, and then starts fontifying.
When you touch the keyboard, it stops in its tracks, because you're "higher
priority". On-demand fontification only does the visible part of the
buffer, so when you scroll a couple of pages, it's nice if stealthy
fontification had fontified that, or else you'd have to wait (or have no
fonts on that page). But it seems I always start typing just when stealthy
fontification has started.

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

[...]
> Not even close.  Unless you wish to compare apples and oranges, you
> must consider the Java interpreter as well.  (On a Linux/ELF system)
> the Java interpreter is:
> 1069268 302771  12952   1384991 15221f  /usr/local/java/bin/i586/java
> (1.3MB)
> 
> Compared to the equivalent XEmacs entity temacs:
> 958342  791547  170112  1920001 1d4c01  /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src/temacs
> (1.9MB)
>

Hmm, i think we can assume that a java interpreter will be included in every 
major operation system (at least from IBM, Microsoft, HP, SUN). 
So one java interpreter can be used by several programms.
This will never be the case with emacs IMHO. 
 
> Granted the core of XEmacs is 50% larger, but since it includes
> builtin much of what you are going to load into Java anyway, it's
> probably not a great deal.
> 
> I want all of the Java advocates to note how close the core sizes
> really are.
> 
> Eugene> Yet the most important part, the extensible core, should fit on
> Eugene> a single floppy disk.
> 
> (Don't they have 2MB floppies now?)
> 
> If you want to rewrite an extensible editor like Emacs in Java for the
> chance to reengineer some of the accumulated inevitable code brain
> damage that sets in on any long lived program (Brook's Law), that
> different than justifying Java for the sake of the architecture.
> 
> Emacs *has* the architecture you're advocating.  (I will admit that
> the memory reuse on feature unload could be better, but is Java's any
> better right now?)  There is a small(ish) core and the rest of it is
> load on demand.  Wanting to replace the current 30MB lisp library with
> code loaded over a wire doesn't change the fact that that 30MB of lisp
> or Java is going to be sitting somewhere.
> 

I also think about object-oriented reuse,which could also save some MB's. 

> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all source
> code model to closed, black box binary code.  What's the best way to
> learn how to deal with a particular Emacs function?  Grep through the
> lisp directory(ies) and find some contributed code that calls it.  If
> you don't like the way something works, it can be changed, not always
> easily but you're not held hostage by RMS or Chuck or anyone else.
> 
> Eugene> Only emacs users write elisp filters for emacs, but thousands
> Eugene> of programmers, some of whom will be among the best in the world,
> Eugene> will be paid to write stuff ...
> 
> This is a ridiculous, ignorant statement.  Who says that it will be
> any better than the code done by folks who program because they enjoy
> programming (and are among the best in the world)?
> 
> One last thing: Lisp as a language has withstood the test of time.  It
> is a mature language that has proved time and again that it is capable
> of performing in a wide variety of situations.  Over the years many
> different languages have come with great fanfare and vanished quietly.
> RMS made a very wise choice in the extension language for Emacs, and
> perhaps in a couple of years we'll be having this same discussion
> crossposted to comp.lang.the-next-programming-fad.  And perhaps not,
> it's too early to tell.

Yes Lisp is not bad. I like some features of Lisp which Java will never have
( closures for example). 
So far i remember Lisp was invented for AI programming. IMHO it failed there,
a lot of the newer AI stuff is not written in Lisp. 
 
I think the newer functional languages like CAML are very interesting, 
perhaps better than Java, but there are not a lot of people using them. 

Regards,
Markus


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On 07 Aug 1996 11:27:05 -0700, David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> wrote:
>Really, what we need is a *SYSTEM* that is extensible!  Whether that system is
>a browser or an editor (or something else) shouldn't make a difference.  For
>an extension language to be truly useful it needs something to extend and that
>extension capability has to be all encompassing (for instance, allowing cute
>messages to be displayed in the status bar, but not allowing the shape of the
>status bar to change is not good enough).

that's what hotjava was for.

except that sun isn't supporting it now, it seems.
If they were, the beta (let alone the full version) should have been out
about a month ago.
It should not take this long, if even one person was working full time on it.
sheesh.

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I have the xemacs 19.14 source tree. I've successfully built a happy xemacs
for linux, and have recently been using the gnus newsreader in it to great
success. I decided to try gnus' capabilities as a mailreader. I receive my
mail from a POP3 server at an ISP, so I configured gnus to request it's
mail from a POP server. I found that movemail was rejecting the pop
reference ("po:morgan"), reporting that it did not exist as a file or a
directory.

I checked movemail.c, and there's a big #ifdef section for
MAIL_USE_POP. The generated Xemacs Makefile did not include this define for
movemail. The movemail binary that comes in the pre-compiled linux kit also
seems to have been built without POP support.

If I add -DMAIL_USE_POP to the movemail line in xemacs' lib-src/Makefile
(the makefile for ancillary programs), I get:


gcc -DFUNCPROTO=11 -DNARROWPROTO -D_BSD_SOURCE    -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H    -DSTDC_HEADERS -I. -I../src -I/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src -I/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/../src      -O2 -m486 -DMAIL_USE_POP /usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c  -o movemail
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c: In function `popmail':
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:491: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:496: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:501: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:506: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:513: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:519: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:550: too few arguments to function `fatal'
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c: In function `pop_init':
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:614: warning: passing arg 2 of `connect' from incompatible pointer type
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c: In function `getline':
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:747: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:748: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:749: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c: In function `multiline':
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/movemail.c:761: warning: comparison between pointer and integer
make[1]: *** [movemail] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
make: *** [lib-src] Error 2

How can I get movemail to compile and work properly, transporting mail for
me from a pop server?

morgan
-- 
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Hi!

Does anybody know how to set the background color of xemacs frames?
Are there any Xdefaults for this purpose or builtin elisp functions?

Thanks!

A. Debus


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To get menus in LaTeX, use auctex available from:
  http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/

To get menus in BibTeX, use the following file:

;;; bibtex-menus.el -- add GNU-like menus to Xemacs bibtex mode
;; Created: Wed Jul 10 12:22:27 1996 by jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk
;; Revised: Thu Aug  8 10:28:45 1996 by jamesri@cogs.susx.ac.uk
;; 
;; To use this file, add the following text to your .emacs.  This
;; add-hook must appear after (require 'tex-site) because tex-site
;; sets bibtex-mode-hook to nil
;;
;; (add-hook 'bibtex-mode-hook 
;;          '(lambda ()
;;             (require 'bibtex-menus)
;;             (bibtex-install-menubar)))
;;
(defconst bibtex-mode-menu
  '("BibTeX Commands"
    ("Entries"
     ["Article in Conference Proceedings" bibtex-InProceedings		t]
     ["Article in Journal"		bibtex-Article			t]
     ["Book"				bibtex-Book			t]
     ["Booklet"				bibtex-Booklet			t]
     ["Conference"			bibtex-InProceedings		t]
     ["Master's Thesis"			bibtex-MastersThesis		t]
     ["DEA Thesis"			bibtex-DEAthesis		t]
     ["Phd. Thesis"			bibtex-PhdThesis		t]
     ["Technical Report"		bibtex-TechReport		t]
     ["Technical Manual"		bibtex-Manual			t]
     ["Conference Proceedings"		bibtex-Proceedings		t]
     ["A Chapter in a Book"		bibtex-InBook			t]
     ["An Article in a Collection"	bibtex-InCollection		t]
     ["Miscellaneous"			bibtex-Misc			t]
     ["Unpublished"			bibtex-Unpublished		t]
     ["String"				bibtex-string			t]
     ["Preamble"			bibtex-preamble			t])
    ("Bibtex"
     ["Next Field"			bibtex-next-field		t]
     ["To End of Field"			bibtex-find-text		t]
     ["Snatch From Similar Preceding Field"	bibtex-pop-previous	t]
     ["Snatch From Similar Following Field"	bibtex-pop-next		t]
     ["Remove OPT"			bibtex-remove-OPT		t]
     ["Remove Quotes"			bibtex-remove-double-quotes	t]
     ["Clean Up Entry"			bibtex-clean-entry		t]
     ["Find Duplicates"			find-bibtex-duplicates		t]
     ["Sort Entries"			sort-bibtex-entries		t]
     ["Validate Entries"		validate-bibtex-buffer		t])
    ))

;; copied from outline.el
(defun bibtex-install-menubar (&optional remove)
  (interactive)
  ;; install or remove the outline menus
  (let ((menus (cdr bibtex-mode-menu)) path)
    (and (not remove)
	(set-buffer-menubar (copy-sequence current-menubar)))
    (while menus
      (setq path (list (car (car menus))))
      (if (and remove (find-menu-item current-menubar path))
	  (delete-menu-item path)
	(or (car (find-menu-item current-menubar path))
	    (add-menu nil (car (car menus)) (cdr (car menus)) nil)))
      (setq menus (cdr menus)))))

;(add-hook 'bibtex-mode-hook 'bibtex-install-menubar)

(provide 'bibtex-menus)

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19.14, precompiled binaries for Solaris 2.4 w/SPARCworks
Solaris 2.5, CDE 1.0.1

---

Doing M-x man RET makeindex RET causes the XEmacs process
to peg the CPU.  Doesn't respond to C-g, and I have to kill it.
The last thing I see in the minibuffer is:

Creating keyword menu ...

Makeindex is part of TeX/LaTeX.

I can show the man page from a tty just fine, and I can M-x man other
man pages just fine.  But something about this one is just hosing
man.el bigtime.

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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M Adam (markadam@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: Well I've just installed XEmacs 19.14 and it is really cool.
: However when I do M-x display-time 
: the resulting time is an hour slow.
:  Anyone know how to correct this? 
: And if you load time how can you 'undisplay' it
: from the mode line? Thanks in advance.


This is a FAQ. You need to set time-zone, because precompiled executable
shows the time of the zone where it was compiled. Do apropos to
check the exact name of the command, or check the FAQ.

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You know I just found that out last night.  I am
confused as to what the site-init.el file is for
and how to make xemacs use it.

I saw some comment in a file about the site-init.el
file being a dump state file.  Can anybody explain this 
to me?

Thanks,
Shane



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19.14 doesn't seem to have (server-start) (or (start-server) for that matter
too, I never remember which is right). 19.13 could start up server,
but emacsclient wasn't doing its job. Any1 experienced that?


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Andreas Debus wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Does anybody know how to set the background color of xemacs frames?
> Are there any Xdefaults for this purpose or builtin elisp functions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> A. Debus

-- 

In my .Xdefaults:

Emacs*popup*Background:	Gray75

Regards,
Gran

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

 
> There's got to be some system dependent window manager or X server
> (anti)magic involved here, as I'm not seeing a terrible slow down.  I
> am using Lucid Menubar/scrollbars, Athena dialog boxes, Linux/ELF with
> olvwm & XFree86 3.1.2 (X11R6.1).

Is it still in question that there is some performance problem
in 19.14? There are persistent reports from many different users of
highly visible slowdowns compared to 19.13. I can easily demonstrate this on
my system. Yet the problems appear very site-dependent. For example
the person who built the binaries for my platform can not reproduce my
observed behaviour on his machines. 

It would be nice to know if there is an acknowledged problem that
is being worked on, or whether we need to provide more conclusive evidence.

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In Xemacs-19.14, when I perform a list-buffer (C-x C-b), it splits
the window.  I then select a buffer using mouse-middle and the
window remains split.  

This is different behavior than 19.13 where split goes away after
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In article <tv686ul0vy.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus
<kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

   Yes Lisp is not bad. I like some features of Lisp which Java will
   never have ( closures for example).  So far i remember Lisp was
   invented for AI programming. IMHO it failed there, a lot of the
   newer AI stuff is not written in Lisp.

Sorry to intrude on your history, but Lisp is short for "List
processing". The language history is quite a bit longer than that of
AI. Lisp came into use shortly after Fortran, and its purpose was,
well, list processing. Namely juggling with structured things of
arbitrary length (as opposed to bland arrays) and contents which could
also be symbolical or substructured.

As far as I know Lisp is older than both Algol and Cobol (doubtless
some-one will correct me on that, but I guess I'm not decades off).

Also it was felt that garbage collection was a thing absolutely to be
implemented at the language level for any serious programming with
such structures.

Which is, BTW, a stance I rather have to agree with.

Lisp has been used rather soon for tasks like symbolic integration and
differentiation, for example.

If you ever did such a thing and tried managing a free store while
juggling around, you'll know what I mean by garbage collection
belonging in the language...

-- 
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"Igor" =3D=3D Igor Sheyn <sheyn@cs.bu.edu> writes:

 Igor> 19.14 doesn't seem to have (server-start) (or (start-server) for tha=
t matter
 Igor> too, I never remember which is right). 19.13 could start up server,
 Igor> but emacsclient wasn't doing its job. Any1 experienced that?

(server-start) is obsolete.

Try (gnuserv-start) and use gnudoit, gnuattach and gnuclient.


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> >>> "uknt" == uknt  <uknt@micro.lucent.com> writes:
>
> uknt> I have a 1112 line buffer open now, with some lines >100
> uknt> chars. Cursor reponse towards the end (near the long lines) is
> uknt> very slow. Near the top its OK. I have line/column numbering on.
>
> Perhaps you'd get enlightened by looking at how line numbering is
> implemented... Are you also using some font lock mode by any chance?

Seems not to make a lot of difference here. I've switched to a very minimal
.emacs which helps. I don't see any slowness now - until I switch on truncate
lines in the option menu. I'll stick to wrapped lines for now.

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In article <m2g25yqwfy.fsf@hubert.wustl.edu>,
	...
>refering to the source code to the Java language.  Rather, I believe
>he was refering to the packages which would be written in Java.  Emacs
>has had a long tradition of providing all source... already many Java
>applets are only available in compiled form.

So?  Start a trend.

Most Java applets are written and released by people in the
DOS/Windows/Mac tradition: they are not in the habit of releasing
source (I'm not stating that this is a good habit, mind you).

All the while that people here have been claiming that they don't need
to evolve, those "other" programmers have been madly writing code.

The best thing for Java -- and free source code -- would be to start
converting the whole GNU code base to Java and spread the code and the
source widely.  After all, every applet can include a "fetch source"
button.

Remember: The Spirit of Emacs could care less about Lisp.  Lisp is a
means to and end.  The Spirit wants to grow and take over every
environment it can.  If new environments are Java, so be it: take over
that one at full speed!

The essence of GNU and FSF is wide distrbution of free source: Java
and applets are the most incredible boon to this effort that has ever
come along.

People, quit fighting this and start pushing it all that you can.  If
you want an Emacs and free source in 20 years, Java will be _one_ of
the key ways to ensure that it will happen!

Craig A. Finseth                        fin@finseth.com
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From: eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil)
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 Vladimir Alexiev  wrote:
>In article <DvsEC3.1EC@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
>> some degree of seperation between the extensible editor and the extension
>> language(s) would be a good idea
>
>Why? The only reason I can think of would be efficiency. Is that what you
>have in mind?

Efficiency, and also choice. A language that is well-suited to one kind of 
extension may not apply as well to others. Lisp is a wonderful language, I'm 
not knocking it, but if I'm going to be dealing with a lot of syntax trees, I 
might want to use a language with a more yacc-like feel to it: yet such a 
language would hardly be suitable for writing an ftp client! Also, if 
I'm writing a big project in Java, and want to use the editor as a 
component in a window, I don't want to have to rewrite everything in 
a new language just to use it. Languages are only tools, and I want a whole 
toolbox. The editor should work well with anything.

>> If this language could be interpereted during development and then
>> compiled to java bytecodes for production, better still.
>
>Can java bytecodes be dynamically changed? How modular java bytecodes are?
>I know a bit about smalltalk codes, and it's not a problem to replace a
>method or a whole class at runtime (actually that's what the editor/browser
>does). 

Many existing java interpereters and JIT compilers "short-circut" method calls 
after the first dynamic lookup, for efficiency. This would make redefining 
methods after using them hairy at best. That is why we may be better off with 
an interpereted language for development purposes. If the extension could be 
compiled into a java class file for production, without the space and speed 
overhead of an interpereted interpereter, we could attain the best of both 
worlds.

>One aspect that hasn't been extensively discussed yet is the functional
>nature of elisp. (I frowned when someone called lisp a dying language. Lisp,
>or similar functional languages are here to stay, exactly because of their
>better theoretical foundation.) What benefits does this give for
>customisation of emacs?
>- anonymous functions. (This is largely a matter of convenience.)
>- functions are available for manipulation as any other object. This allows
>  for some really nice things, eg see advice.el, edebug, or the bytecompiler
>  itself.
>How well does java fare here?

well, you could define an interface that behaves much like that...

interface Function {
  Object apply (Object arg);
}

Since everything in java is a subclass of Object, these functions could 
take anything (including a list or array of things) and return 
anything. Since they are interfaces, they can be passed around exactly like 
objects. In fact, a compiler for a language like elisp could represent 
anonymous functions exactly this way.

>> the availiability of a syntax tree would simplify (and accellerate) all
>> of them immensely.
>Agreed, it's a nice thing to have. Two pessimistic remarks:
>- it can be done in elisp (or an OO extension of elisp), Java won't give
>  you any advantage here.

Indeed, someone has informed me that something like this has ALREADY been done 
in elisp. How many of you have used it?

It is one thing to be ABLE to do something, it is another for it to be a 
convenient and well-known feature. If it's included as a standard feature from 
day one, it will be used more and thus be more useful.

>- is it really worth it? If in 5% of the cases my fontification is wrong,
>  or completion doesn't work, big deal! It would be nice if someone takes
>  up the task of writing it, though.

Having access to a full syntax tree has more uses than pretty formatting.
Indeed, parsing a syntax tree is half the job of writing a compiler: can the 
other half be far behind? An incremental compiler could easily become a 
standard kind of extension. To me, that's a lot neater than fontification.

>(And someone from Russia says in another poster that he has.)

I would like to get in touch with them!

-Eugene

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-unknown-linux1.2.13) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on mixing

In TeX-mode, the syntax table is ignored as far as quoted characters
in font-lock. 

Example:

--------
% This is a comment at the beginning of a line.
But this is a percentage: 100\% should not be fontified.   %This is a comment

Dollar-sign math like $ F = ma $ 
But not a price tag \$45.50, and \$45.50 
--------

XEmacs 19.14 fontification fails on quoted comments and dollar signs.
This appears to be a bug in XEmacs since it uses the same syntax-table
as emacs does. 

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From: Robert Fuhrer <rmf@cs.columbia.edu>
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Adrian Lao writes:
> After upgrading to Xemacs 19.14, I've problem with Gnus. Whenever I
> invoke it, it put me in the *nntp* buffer instead of the usual
> newsgroup buffer, and whenever I select a newsgroup, it put me into
> the *nntpd* buffer (not in Summary mode) instead of the Summary buffer
> (in summary mode). What happens?  Are there any variable I need to set?

I had the same problem, and finally figured out that setting the
now-obsolete variable gnus-window-configuration was causing it.  So, if
you're setting it, try removing the setq and see what happens...

I glanced at gnus.el, and saw some attempt made to grok old GNUS configs, but
obviously it doesn't quite work.  Just for reference, mine looked like so:

  (setq gnus-window-configuration
    '((SelectNewsgroup (0 1 0))
      (ExitNewsgroup   (1 0 0))
      (SelectArticle   (0 8 7))
      (ExpandSubject   (0 1 0))))

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>>>>> "CAF" == Craig A Finseth <fin@winternet.com> writes:

    CAF> The best thing for Java -- and free source code -- would be
    CAF> to start converting the whole GNU code base to Java and
    CAF> spread the code and the source widely.  After all, every
    CAF> applet can include a "fetch source" button.

The very first thing you need, then, is a source code distribution of
a free (and I don't mean $$$) Java development environment.

Certainly from the FSF's point of view, it doesn't do GNU any good to
have the source to the applications but not to the
machine/compiler/whatever that is used to build/run/whatever those
same applications.

-Barry

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>>>>> "EO" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

    EO> I've been getting a lot of feedback saying people want
    EO> something like elisp, and I can see merit in many of their
    EO> arguments. I still think some degree of seperation between the
    EO> extensible editor and the extension language(s) would be a
    EO> good idea, but a language that works with the editor like yacc
    EO> works with lex could give us the best of both worlds. If this
    EO> language could be interpereted during development and then
    EO> compiled to java bytecodes for production, better still.

In an application like Emacs, there is almost no distinction between
`development' phases and `production' phases (whatever the latter
means).  Or in a sense, you're always developing your editing
environment, which is why you want to be very selective as to what
goes in Lisp and what goes in C.

    EO> All of these could conceivably be done without the aid of a
    EO> dynamically maintained syntax tree, but the availiability of
    EO> it would simplify (and accellerate) all of them immensely.

There's been talk for ages in the cc-mode arena about using syntax
trees.  I probably had discussions with Jamie about these in XEmacs at
least as far back as 1992.  It's a big undertaking, and hard to do
quickly, but I'd love to see it.  Sure would make my job (as cc-mode
maintainer) easier. :-)  But I think there are fundamental algorithms
that need to be developed to make this work, regardless of the
implementation language.  E.g. I'd be happy to see something
completely written in Lisp.  Sure it would be slow but if it worked it
would be a good proof-of-concept.

-Barry

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> From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)

> There's been talk for ages in the cc-mode arena about using syntax
> trees.  I probably had discussions with Jamie about these in XEmacs at
> least as far back as 1992.  It's a big undertaking, and hard to do
> quickly, but I'd love to see it.  Sure would make my job (as cc-mode
> maintainer) easier. :-)
> 
> But I think there are fundamental algorithms that need to be
> developed to make this work, regardless of the implementation
> language.  E.g. I'd be happy to see something completely written in
> Lisp.  Sure it would be slow but if it worked it would be a good
> proof-of-concept.  
>
> -Barry

I'm interested in looking into that. 

Right now, I have all the infrastructure to start experimenting - a
simple C->AST converter, plus some support for AST pretty-printing,
all written in emacs-lisp. Currently, the framework allows to read
some C-like code, pipe it through some AST-transforms, and than
pretty-print it to emacs buffer, not very much more.

I'd like to find out what algorithms I can provide on top of all that
to make it work in iterative code-development process. I'll keep you
posted.

As for now, I'd appreciate more input from you or Jamie or anybody
else who gave this issue some thoughts.  What kinds of fundamental
operations with ASTs we need to make AST transformations be as
convenient as textual cut&paste?  On what level these operations
should be defined? Can we formulate the basic principles? Or flesh out
some patterns? The obvious operations, like attach/detach/clone are
already supported in my prototype, but they are too low-level.

Dmitry

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	Hi,
	I just discover that the command M-x manual-entry in xemacs
(or the Help/Unix Manual ... menu) dosen't find the relevant manual
pages when they are in directories /usr/local/man/man1 (or man2, ...).
The unix commad man works perfectly for me though. So, can any tell me
what is wrong with my setup ?

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Subject: Re: Server in XEmacs 19.14
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>>>>> "Igor" == Igor Sheyn <sheyn@cs.bu.edu> writes:

Igor> 19.14 doesn't seem to have (server-start) (or (start-server) for
Igor> that matter too, I never remember which is right). 19.13 could
Igor> start up server, but emacsclient wasn't doing its job. Any1
Igor> experienced that?

You want to use (gnuserv-start) w/ gnuclient, gnudoit, gnuattach instead.

gnuserv-start: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "gnuserv".
Allow this Emacs process to be a server for client processes.
This starts a server communications subprocess through which
client "editors" (gnuclient and gnudoit) can send editing commands to 
this Emacs job. See the gnuserv(1) manual page for more details.

Prefix arg means just kill any existing server communications subprocess.

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Hello all

I use in xemacs 19.14 the Lucida Sans font for editing c and c++ files.
Unfortunately, the size 12 is too small, and the 14 is a little too big
and there is no size 13, does anyone know how to solve that ?

Thanks for any help

Christophe
chbe@garonne.stortek.com



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>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Shutko <ats@hubert.wustl.edu> writes:
>>>>> "B" == br  <br@eng.sun.com> writes:
>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> wrote: 

sb> The biggest change I can see is going from a totally open, all
sb> source code model to closed, black box binary code.

B> It's sort of scary to see people on comp.lang.java (or maybe you're
B> posting from comp.*emacs) saying that Java is a closed binary black
B> box. We do make the source code available. 

Alan> I don't think that Steven (who is posting from comp.?emacs) was

I am posting from comp.emacs(.xemacs)?.

Alan> refering to the source code to the Java language.  Rather, I
Alan> believe he was refering to the packages which would be written
Alan> in Java.

That is correct.

Alan> Emacs has had a long tradition of providing all
Alan> source... already many Java applets are only available in
Alan> compiled form.

Yes, but more importantly, they are delivered over the network in
binary.  I'm sorry, that just doesn't cut it for a tool that is my
primary interface to the world (I use XEmacs for Mail & News and
nearly everything else).  I had previously assumed that this
discussion was referring to Java the language and not Java as it is
used in applets.  The current state-of-the-art is not even close to
making applets secure, and according to my understanding of them, they
are not supposed to be permitted access to permanent local system
resource regardless, making them useless as an editing environment.

>>>>> "Craig" == Craig A. Finseth <fin@winternet.com> writes:

Craig> So?  Start a trend.

Craig> Most Java applets are written and released by people in the
Craig> DOS/Windows/Mac tradition: they are not in the habit of
Craig> releasing source (I'm not stating that this is a good habit,
Craig> mind you).

Better hurry before the current practice gets too established.

I'm sorry, I've worked much of my career on decentralizing monolithic
systems and working towards the standard of having the entire system
in source code.  That's just starting to take form now with the Linux
system, and IMHO, distributing Java applet *binaries* over a network
is a giant step *backwards*.
-- 
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Kai Grossjohann (grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de) wrote:

> M-x list-colors-display RET

Close. To be exact, the foreground color in the left column would have to
be light or dark depending on the color being displayed.  Should be a
trivial hack to list-colors-display..
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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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Subject: Re: redefiniton; syntax trees (was Re: emacs rewritten in java ?)


eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) wrote:

> Vladimir Alexiev  wrote:

> >- it can be done in elisp (or an OO extension of elisp), Java won't give
> >  you any advantage here.
> 
> Indeed, someone has informed me that something like this has ALREADY
> been done in elisp. How many of you have used it?
> 
> >(And someone from Russia says in another poster that he has.)

Russians are coming! 

In case you refer to my posting, I indeed have all the ingredients
needed for this brew.

The oo-emacs part and pretty-printing part come from my previous
effort, D++.  The second component, -- shallow, optimistic,
"shape"-parser for C family of languages I wrote recently to as a tool
to cope with ugly, over-maintained code you frequently find in
industry...

These two components need to be combined and shaped up a bit before
they can be offered to wider audience, though. I hope I'll be able to
find some spare time for that within next few weeks. 

Right now, I'm primarily interested in trying to write an experimental
emacs editing mode allowing to build and re-shape AST-controlled code
layouts on-fly. The challenge is to provide both the AST-based
structural-editing interface and the conventional character-flow
interface at the same time.

If you refer to some other posting, could you please re-send me the
original message describing that package?

Thanks,

Dmitry



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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:
> 
> Gail> I start up XEmacs with the following command in my .fvwmrc file:
> Gail> 	xemacs -g 81x58+480+20 -funcall vm &
> 
> Gail> This causes XEmacs to start up in VM, which works just
> Gail> fine. However, I run into a problem when I create a new frame.
> 
> Gail> I press the "XEmacs" button on the menu bar to give me the
> Gail> regular menu bar. Then I select File->New Frame (or press C-x 5
> Gail> 2). A new frame comes up, but it has the VM menu bar.
> 
> I see the same behavior in w3 as well.  C-x 5 2 gives you a copy of
> the current frame, so I assume this is `correct' behavior.  What
> happens if you make a new frame with `C-x 5 b' or `C-x 5 f'?
> -- 
> steve@miranova.com baur

If you create a new frame, that frame will contain the current
buffer.  As that current buffer is in one case VM, and in the other
w3, the menu bar is appropriate.  

Create the frame, then switch buffers, and the menu bar should revert
to normal...


-- 
Brent B. Powers               Merrill Lynch              powers@ml.com

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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

> Java is a full programming language. It can do anything. When you write an
> applet, you can do anything, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE APPLET. You could
> write, for instance, a text editing applet: but that wouldn't turn the
> browser as a whole into an editor, just the little sub-window containing
> your applet. You could edit with that (though you couldn't open files
> because of security restrictions), but the browser really wouldn't be
> helping you any: it would be little more than a window-frame. I don't think
> that's what we want.

Why is the bounds of Java Applets so limited?  Why wouldn't it make sense for
(say) the editor applet to parse through the file you're editing, rearranging
it into a list of URLs that it could pass back to the browser?  Or why
couldn't the browser and the editor applet cooperate with a database applet
whereby the browser would find the HTML file, the editor would parse the file
looking for names/addresses and the database applet would store the
information?

> The problem is that a browser is designed to do one thing: display text and
> buttons and things, but not edit them or even communicate meaningfully with
> them. I suppose I wasn't correct when I said that java extends browsers like
> elisp extends emacs: there are limits to how much you can modify a browser
> through applets, because browsers don't expect applets to do much more than
> sit there and look pretty.

Why does the browser have to be limited that way?

> What we need to do is forget about the limitations of the browser, and start
> writing a program that has editing in mind from the ground up. Something
> that knows how to ask it's extensions to do more than sit there and look
> pretty. In other words, something like emacs.

You're being editor centric.  Does it really have to be that way?
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I'm just getting used to Gnus 5.2.25, so be gentle with me...

* Why does the cited message get highlighted in the Message buffer when
  posting a reply?  Other than cancel the highlight and start editing the
  message, what else might someone do in this circumstance?
* How do you post a reply and email a copy of it at the same time?  Can that
  be done with Message mode?
* Message mode puts a Spellcheck and Help button on the toolbar -- many other
  things would be useful as well.  Any thoughts to adding at least Cut, Copy,
  Paste, Recite, and Fill to the Toolbar?
* Gnus/Message changes the names of the buffer to a long name (beginning with
  "sent to") which can be hard to display in the Buffer menu.  Is there any
  way of limiting the size of the new buffer name?
* Various Gnus modes add multiple menus to the menubar and, overall, the
  number of top-level menu items is becoming too big for an 80 char screen.
  Is there any standard as to limiting the number of menus or accessing menus
  that are off the screen (other than resizing the frame)?

There are other questions, but they might be answered in the manuals.  I felt
these stylistic questions wouldn't be in the manuals.
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To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Xemacs Core dump after Fx_get_resource on HPUX


Xemacs is core dumping ocassionally on some commands like gnuclient,
'vm' which open new frames.

We have:
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Tue Jul 30 1996 on norseman

Traceback:

Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x1f1a78 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x1f1a78 in kill ()
#1  0x4b604 in fatal_error_signal (sig=1077547948) at emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x4013c360 in _end ()
#4  0xea618 in Fx_get_resource (name=809112504, class=805946972, type=269632140, 
    locale=272289792, device=Cannot access memory at address 0x103abbcc.
) at device-x.c:913
Cannot access memory at address 0x103abbec.


Thanks,

jim

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>>>>> "Shane" == Shane Canon <canon@laser.tunl.duke.edu> writes:

> I am trying to be a good administrator and set up site specific things in
> the site-init.el file (which is located in
> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp).  I have tried setting some site specific
> variables there such as gnu-local-organization, but it doesn't seem to be
> taking.  Is there anything that must be done to the site-init file to make
> it take effect?  Also, what things should be set for a site to make things
> run smoothly.

There are two files for the "good administrator" to work with in Emacs:

site-start.el - this file is loaded before the user's .emacs file and is a
good place to do autoloads and the like.  Note, the only way the user can
override the loading of this file is to use the "-no-site-file" argument on
the command line, so choose carefully what you want to put in here in order to
not force the user to use this argument.

default.el - this file is loaded after the user's .emacs file and is a good
place to do setq/setq-default on variables that are site specific (like
gnus-local-organization).  The user can override this file by setting the
inhibit-default-init variable.

Both of these files should be put in the site-lisp directory.
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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: tm-vm problem with quoted-printable... solved
Date: 08 Aug 1996 16:00:26 -0700
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When doing a reply/followup with included text OR a yank into a compose
buffer, I was finding that the raw quoted printable contents were getting
placed into the compose window, rather than decoded text which is what I
obviously want.

Not everyone appears to have this problem - I finally tracked it down to the
fact that I use this:

(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)

.. then, when the vm-yank-message function in tm-vm.el tries to find the
preview window, it fails (since the window isn't visible at that time).

I appear to have fixed it with the following patch:

1245 kontiki%> diff -c tm-vm.el tm-vm.el.orig                        ~/elisp/tm
*** tm-vm.el    Thu Aug  8 15:48:54 1996
--- tm-vm.el.orig       Thu Aug  8 15:43:35 1996
***************
*** 641,649 ****
            (let* ((mbuf (current-buffer))
                   (pbuf (and mime::article/preview-buffer
                              (get-buffer mime::article/preview-buffer)))
!                  (pwin (and pbuf (save-window-excursion
!                                  (vm-get-visible-buffer-window
!                                   (switch-to-buffer-other-window pbuf))))))
              (if pwin
                  (if running-xemacs
                      (let ((tmp (generate-new-buffer "tm-vm/tmp")))
--- 641,647 ----
            (let* ((mbuf (current-buffer))
                   (pbuf (and mime::article/preview-buffer
                              (get-buffer mime::article/preview-buffer)))
!                  (pwin (and pbuf (vm-get-visible-buffer-window pbuf))))
              (if pwin
                  (if running-xemacs
                      (let ((tmp (generate-new-buffer "tm-vm/tmp")))

-- 
    --- John.

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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: lazy-lock refontification problem after reverting buffer
Date: 08 Aug 1996 16:30:18 -0700
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I use both the lazy-lock and VC packages under XEmacs 19.14 ...

I've been experiencing a problem that if a buffer is fontified, and then
it's reverted (which includes when it's checked in and out with VC), the
WHOLE buffer is often then refontified.  It appears to be related to the
"glumping" stuff in font-lock-mode, which I don't really understand too
well.

Anyway, the following seems to fix it.  It just redefines revert-buffer to
be a function that turns font-lock mode off and then calls the "real"
revert-buffer function:

;; We only do this once, to avoid recursion
(if (not (boundp 'jsc-one-time-flag))
    (progn
      (fset 'jsc-revert-buffer (symbol-function 'revert-buffer))
      (fset 'revert-buffer
	    '(lambda (&optional ignore-auto noconfirm)
	       "Defontify before reverting, to workaround font-lock performance problem.
See jsc-revert-buffer for full documentation"
	       (interactive)
	       (font-lock-mode nil)
	       (jsc-revert-buffer ignore-auto noconfirm)))
      (setq jsc-one-time-flag t)))


Then, lazy-lock will properly kick-in again after the buffer is reverted and
just fontify the first frame-full of the buffer.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has solved the real problem in
font-lock/lazy-lock mode, or if anyone has improvements on the above
solution.

-- 
    --- John.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Defeating the loss of selection at beginning & end of buffer
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(This was an unanswered FAQ).

When you scroll up against the end of the buffer or scroll down
against the top of the buffer you lose the selection.  This is
extraordinarily annoying.  Here is a way to defeat that behavior:

(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t) var)
    (condition-case var
	ad-do-it
      (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t) var)
    (condition-case var
	ad-do-it
      (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))))

Now instead of beeping and throwing away the selection at the buffer
boundaries, the cursor moves to the top or bottom, and retains the
selection.

This is kind of tricky to do since the unwanted behavior is hard coded
in C code.  Fortunately, Emacs Lisp gives you enough hooks to be able
to fix the problem.  :-)
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Occasionally, while using gnus and/or mh-e, xemacs will start
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From: Kristie Zimmer <kzimmer@eagle.wbm.ca>
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I recently installed X11R6 on my linux box.  I installed XFree86 x312d
and x312e.  As well I installed Xemacs 19.14.  When I try to run it I
get an error message saying can't find libXm.so.2.  What release of X11
is this lib in?

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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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Subject: HELP!  modeline-format and modeline-buffer-identification
Date: 08 Aug 1996 19:21:16 -0700
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These two variables (modeline-format and modeline-buffer-identification)
changed between 19.13 and 19.14.  This broke kotl-mode in hyperbole.  I've
spent the day tracing the problem, but my lisp is not up to the task of fixing
it.  I like kotl-mode for developing elaborate outlines, so I'd like to find a
fix to this (if you have one -- email me).

The problem occurs in 'kvspec:update-modeline of kvspec.el.  As near as I can
figure it, this code is attempting to add what is called a view-spec string to
the modeline just after the buffer identification.  To do this, it made a
simple call to 'memq to determine where modeline-buffer-identification was in
modeline-format (note, I know it's using obsolete names for these).  This
worked in 19.13, but these variables have had extents added to them and the
same code no longer works in 19.14.

Anyone have a replacement for the following statement from 19.13?

	(memq 'modeline-buffer-identification modeline-format)

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==================================================================
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Questions about XEmacs 19.14 and Gnus 5.2.25
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[emailed and posted]
>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

David> I'm just getting used to Gnus 5.2.25, so be gentle with me...

David> * Why does the cited message get highlighted in the Message
David>   buffer when posting a reply?  Other than cancel the highlight
David>   and start editing the message, what else might someone do in
David>   this circumstance?

That's a consequence of the standards for the Emacs mail subsystems,
and the fact you have zmacs regions enabled.  If you do not like this
behavior you may turn it off by an appropriate setting of
message-xmas-dont-activate-region:

message-xmas-dont-activate-region's value is t
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
If t, don't activate region after yanking.

David> * How do you post a reply and email a copy of it at the same
David>   time?  Can that be done with Message mode?

Yup.  This is a major strong point of message mode.  You can do it the
same way I just did it with this message:  Select Message->[goto field]To
from the menubar and cut and paste the address in.
In general, to post to Usenet from a mailish message buffer, add an
appropriate Newsgroups: line, to email from a newish message buffer,
add a To: line.

David> * Message mode puts a Spellcheck and Help button on the toolbar
David>   -- many other things would be useful as well.  Any thoughts
David>   to adding at least Cut, Copy, Paste, Recite, and Fill to the
David>   Toolbar?

I believe this is on the Red Gnus todo list.

David> * Gnus/Message changes the names of the buffer to a long name
David>   (beginning with "sent to") which can be hard to display in
David>   the Buffer menu.  Is there any way of limiting the size of
David>   the new buffer name?

You can change them any way you want.  Examine the variable
message-generate-new-buffers.

message-generate-new-buffers's value is t
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Non-nil means that a new message buffer will be created whenever `mail-setup' is called.
If this is a function, call that function with three parameters:  The type,
the to address and the group name.  (Any of these may be nil.)  The function
should return the new buffer name.

David> * Various Gnus modes add multiple menus to the menubar and,
David>   overall, the number of top-level menu items is becoming too
David>   big for an 80 char screen.  Is there any standard as to
David>   limiting the number of menus or accessing menus that are off
David>   the screen (other than resizing the frame)?

Not that I'm aware of.

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From: Jong-Suk Lee <astrix@eros.postech.ac.kr>
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Subject: How to open two and more *term*
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I use eterm.

How to open two or more term ?
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From: Michael Maciag <maciag@ergocon.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: xemacs 19.14/Solaris 2.5: Annoying message on startup
Date: 08 Aug 1996 22:54:27 -0700
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>>>>> "David" == David Fenyes <dave@msrad71.med.uth.tmc.edu> writes:

    David> Hello, It seems that Solaris doesn't provide an Italic
    David> version of the fonts loaded at startup.  How do I get rid
    David> of the very annoying message to this effect when xemacs
    David> starts?  It's driving me absolutely nuts.

As described in the sample.Xdefaults file found in the etc directory, 
XEmacs uses the XLFD to deduce the italic (and bold, etc..) version 
of your default font choice. What I use, that works, for Solaris 2.5 
is:

Emacs.default.attributeFont:  
-*-application-medium-r-*-serif-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

in my ~/.Xdefaults file.

- Mike.
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In article <199608082032.NAA16043@dlsun386.oracle.com> dnizhego@us.oracle.com (Dmitry Nizhegorodov) writes:

> > >(And someone from Russia says in another poster that he has.)
> Russians are coming! 
Sorry, I only remembered your name was Russian, but didn't see you're with
Oracle. 

> If you refer to some other posting, could you please re-send me the
> original message describing that package?

No, I was referring to your posting. I guess you, eugene@cs.umb.edu, Barry,
and a German (god, I'm bad with names) that was actively promoting this
idea some time ago could get together and really make it!

> The challenge is to provide both the AST-based structural-editing
> interface and the conventional character-flow interface at the same time.

So one problem is to think up a good user-interface model. Also, think up
what are the uses you want to put it to. Eugene seemed to want to go as far
as complete compilation of the text, is that really feasible?

Another problem is to keep the AST current with character-level editing.
Eugene had an idea about propagating the changes "economically", only until
nodes which experience no change (but aren't char-level changes already at
the leaf level?) 

It's probably wise to save the AST between sessions together with the file.
Unlike Borland's and especially MS's IDEs which seem to be willing to save
a file for every possible combination of three letters (cpp, obj, h, sbr,
pch, etc, etc), traditionally emacs has only been saving text, eg font-lock
info is not being saved. (One of the few emacs packages that saves non-text
info is KOutliner by Bob Weiner.)

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Subject: Strange problem with lazy-lock/AucTeX
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Sometimes when I run AucTeX I get the following error message in the
minibuffer: 
 
 Fontifying steathily... (void-variable TeX-auto-update)

After that it is impossible to close any XEmacs frames. I have to exit my
XEmacs session to get rid of them.

I don't have any idea what is causing this problem. Setting debug-on-error
to t doesn't have any effect.

/Anders

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 still slow with many frames --- solutions?
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:42:40 -0700
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uknt@micro.lucent.com wrote:
> > Perhaps you'd get enlightened by looking at how line numbering is
> > implemented... Are you also using some font lock mode by any chance?
> 
> Seems not to make a lot of difference here. I've switched to a very minimal
> .emacs which helps. I don't see any slowness now - until I switch on truncate
> lines in the option menu. I'll stick to wrapped lines for now.

I also had some of these speed problems (but nor more than in XEmacs 19.13) on the
following configuration:

DEC ALPHA OSF3.2, precompiled binaries

What helped a lot was switching of the function-name display in the modeline, since 
otherwise we have on additional command-hook running:

(setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

It still buffers keystrokes some times but I can't pin it down the circumstances -
might also come from the network connection to the workstation...

HTH,
Thomas
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To: Jong-Suk Lee <astrix@eros.postech.ac.kr>
CC: XEmacs mailing list <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: How to open two and more *term*
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>>>>> "Jong-Suk" == Jong-Suk Lee <astrix@eros.postech.ac.kr> writes:

    Jong-Suk> I use eterm. How to open two or more term ?

`rename-uniquely'

Interactive compiled Lisp function:

 arguments: ()

 Rename current buffer to a similar name not already taken.
 This function is useful for creating multiple shell process buffers
 or multiple mail buffers, etc.

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From: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: How to put a glyph as annotation in a buffer
Date: 09 Aug 1996 12:30:24 +0200
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>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

 David> Or rather: how to make a glyph at all! If it is
 David> that hard to even accomplish this simplest task of XEamcs
 David> graphics' features, how do you expect anybody to come up with
 David> useful extension packages for XEmacs using that?

It's not that hard. It might not be the most sophisticated way to do
this but "(set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image "foo.xpm")"
returns a glyph with foo.xpm

 David> Of course you'll say that I'm being stupid and doing something
 David> obviously wrong or incredibly simle-minded, but if you care to
 David> enlighten me in an understandable way, please keep your answer
 David> *and* *put* *it* *in* *the* *XEmacs* *lisp* *manual*!!!!

I also think that something about making annotation glyphs from image
data should be put into the manual.

I cannot resist to include a quick hack I use to view images:

(defun view-image (file) "\
Interactively view image \"file\" in view-mode. \"q\" exits view-mode
and kills the buffer to free up colormap entries.\n\ 
Author: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>"
  (interactive "fFile: ")
  (switch-to-buffer (generate-new-buffer (generate-new-buffer-name file)))
  (make-annotation 
     (set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image file) nil 'text)
  (view-mode nil '(lambda (buf) (kill-buffer buf)))
  )

(defun view-image-mode () "\
Display buffer contents as an annotation glyph in view-mode. \"q\"
exits view-mode and kills the buffer to free up colormap entries.\n\
Author: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>"
  (interactive "")
  (let ((file buffer-file-truename))
    (make-annotation (set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image
                        file) nil 'text) 
    (view-mode nil '(lambda (buf) (kill-buffer buf)
		      (garbage-collect)))))

(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.\\(png\\|gif\\|jpg\\|xpm\\|xbm\\)$"
                              . view-image-mode) auto-mode-alist))


 David> Thanks, David Kastrup Institut fuer Neuroinformatik,
 David> Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum Email:
 David> dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Telephon:
 David> +49-234-700-5570

Holger

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Caution: feeding Gnus to your XEmacs will make it fat.

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 still slow with many frames --- solutions?
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

    Steven> Yup.  Two other known (potentially) slow modules are
    Steven> lazy-lock and line-number-mode.

I turned off line-number-mode and now everything is fine! This is
strange, but, OK, no line-number-mode anymore.

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At 10:42 09/08/96 -0700, Thomas Feuster wrote:
> What helped a lot was switching of the function-name display in the modeline,
> since otherwise we have on additional command-hook running:
>
>(setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

Try this instead; you'll still get the function name displayed in the
modeline, but it won't attempt to keep track when you modify the file. To
refresh when it gets out of synch, you simply need click on the "Rescan
Buffer" option in the function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

-- David   (func-menu developer)
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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: bib-cite bugs?
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:31:37 -0400
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Hi,

Today, I discover the bib-cite package. It's a great package. But it
seems that some bugs appear.

First, a LaTeX menu appears when editing a BibTeX file (in bibtex mode)
and this menu STAYS HERE for ever even after killing the buffer! This
causes some trouble when editing a LaTeX file after.

Second, there is no entry for the bib-create-auto-file function in the
bibtex-mode pull-down menu. From bib-cite.el, it seems that this feature
is only for emacs-19. True? Why?

I'm using Xemacs-19.14 with auctex-9.4g and bib-cite-2.13.

Any clue?

Thanks
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From: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup)
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Subject: Re: How to put a glyph as annotation in a buffer
Date: 09 Aug 1996 13:38:41 +0200
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In article <vcwwz8zw73.fsf@ac3a50.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

   >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

    David> Or rather: how to make a glyph at all! If it is
    David> that hard to even accomplish this simplest task of XEamcs
    David> graphics' features, how do you expect anybody to come up with
    David> useful extension packages for XEmacs using that?

   It's not that hard. It might not be the most sophisticated way to do
   this but "(set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image "foo.xpm")"
   returns a glyph with foo.xpm

Oh yes, this *is* intuitive. set-glyph-property returns a glyph which
I do internally. How do I do this using make-glyph?

   I cannot resist to include a quick hack I use to view images:

I'll cherish it and will defend it against all "Why don't you read the
manual"ers. Really, the manual to make-glyph including its "helpful"
cross-references is a runner-up for the most obfuscated help award.
-- 
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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted as well.


Hello there!

When I set switch motion highlighting to 'Highlight' for all buffers
and modes, save the options and restart xemacs I see it coming up with
the old highlighting schema 'underline'.

This is how my .xemacs-options file looks like before I switch motion
highlighting:

;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-

(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(19 14))
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
    (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default case-replace t)
    (setq-default zmacs-regions t)
  (setq-default mouse-yank-at-point nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-timeout 2)
  (setq-default debug-on-error nil)
  (setq-default debug-on-quit nil)
  (setq-default lpr-switches nil)
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p nil)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-a4)
  (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit nil)
  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)
  (setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-fonts nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-colors '(color))
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-decoration nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-size 256000)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
  (require 'font-lock)
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)
  (require 'paren)
  (paren-set-mode 'paren)
  (if (featurep 'scrollbar) (progn (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-width 'nil) (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-height 'nil)))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness '((global (nil . 2))))
  (setq-default truncate-lines nil)
  (setq-default bar-cursor nil)
    (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 20)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-sort-function 'sort-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-grouping-function 'group-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil)
  (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t)
  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) (add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) (add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))
  (setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
  (make-face 'font-lock-reference-face)
  (make-face 'font-lock-string-face)
  (make-face 'modeline)
  (make-face 'gui-button-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable)
  (make-face 'zmacs-region)
  (make-face 'highlight)
  (make-face 'paren-blink-off)
  (make-face 'motion-gray)
  (make-face 'paren-match)
  (make-face 'sql-exec-face)
  (make-face 'documentation)
  (make-face 'right-margin)
  (make-face 'motion-inverted)
  (make-face 'red)
  (make-face 'primary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
  (make-face 'bold)
  (make-face 'underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-type-face)
  (make-face 'blue)
  (make-face 'left-margin)
  (make-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
  (make-face 'motion-underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
  (make-face 'bold-italic)
  (make-face 'pointer)
  (make-face 'yellow)
  (make-face 'default)
  (make-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)
  (make-face 'list-mode-item-selected)
  (make-face 'isearch)
  (make-face 'paren-mismatch)
  (make-face 'modeline-buffer-id)
  (make-face 'motion-bold)
  (make-face 'text-cursor)
  (make-face 'font-lock-variable-name-face)
  (make-face 'green)
  (make-face 'secondary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
  (make-face 'c-comment-face)
  (make-face 'italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-reference-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red3") (nil . "red") ((color) . "red3") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Black") ((x) . "Black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray75") ((x) . "Gray75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [nothing]) ((tty) . [nothing]) ((stream) . [nothing]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'background) '((global (nil . "grey75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "red") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'font) '((global ((grayscale x) . [bold]) ((mono x) . [bold]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background) '((global (nil . "gray95") ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-blink-off 'foreground) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-gray 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [xbm :file "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gray1.xbm" :data (16 16 "UU
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background) '((global ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'sql-exec-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue violet"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'documentation 'foreground) '((global (nil . "firebrick"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'red 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "#6920ac") ((color) . "#6920ac"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'blue 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-function-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-doc-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'pointer 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'yellow 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black") ((x) . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'background) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-keyword-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange") ((color) . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "green4") ((color x) . "green") (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'font) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'foreground) '((global ((mono x) . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'background) '((global ((mono x) . [default foreground]) ((grayscale) . "gray68") ((color) . "gray68"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'background) '((global ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'foreground) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline foreground]) ((mono x) . [modeline foreground]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'background) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline background]) ((mono x) . [modeline background]) ((color x) . "DeepPink"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "blue") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'font) '((global ((tty) . [bold-italic]) ((grayscale x) . [bold-italic]) ((mono x) . [bold-italic]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'foreground) '((global (nil . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'background) '((global ((x) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-variable-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'green 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray1") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'c-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "medium sea green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))

After modifying and saving my highlighting options the .xemacs-options
contains the following:
;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-

(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(19 14))
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
    (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default case-replace t)
    (setq-default zmacs-regions t)
  (setq-default mouse-yank-at-point nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-timeout 2)
  (setq-default debug-on-error nil)
  (setq-default debug-on-quit nil)
  (setq-default lpr-switches nil)
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p nil)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-a4)
  (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit nil)
  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)
  (setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-fonts nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-colors '(color))
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-decoration nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-size 256000)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
  (require 'font-lock)
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)
  (require 'paren)
  (paren-set-mode 'paren)
  (if (featurep 'scrollbar) (progn (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-width 'nil) (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-height 'nil)))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness '((global (nil . 2))))
  (setq-default truncate-lines nil)
  (setq-default bar-cursor nil)
    (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 20)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-sort-function 'sort-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-grouping-function 'group-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil)
  (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t)
  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) (add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) (add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))
  (setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
  (make-face 'font-lock-reference-face)
  (make-face 'font-lock-string-face)
  (make-face 'modeline)
  (make-face 'gui-button-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable)
  (make-face 'zmacs-region)
  (make-face 'highlight)
  (make-face 'paren-blink-off)
  (make-face 'motion-inverted)
  (make-face 'paren-match)
  (make-face 'sql-exec-face)
  (make-face 'documentation)
  (make-face 'right-margin)
  (make-face 'motion-gray)
  (make-face 'red)
  (make-face 'primary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
  (make-face 'bold)
  (make-face 'underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-type-face)
  (make-face 'blue)
  (make-face 'left-margin)
  (make-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
  (make-face 'motion-bold)
  (make-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
  (make-face 'bold-italic)
  (make-face 'pointer)
  (make-face 'yellow)
  (make-face 'default)
  (make-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)
  (make-face 'list-mode-item-selected)
  (make-face 'isearch)
  (make-face 'paren-mismatch)
  (make-face 'modeline-buffer-id)
  (make-face 'c-comment-face)
  (make-face 'text-cursor)
  (make-face 'font-lock-variable-name-face)
  (make-face 'green)
  (make-face 'secondary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
  (make-face 'motion-underline)
  (make-face 'italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-reference-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red3") (nil . "red") ((color) . "red3") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Black") ((x) . "Black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray75") ((x) . "Gray75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [nothing]) ((tty) . [nothing]) ((stream) . [nothing]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'background) '((global (nil . "grey75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "red") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'font) '((global ((grayscale x) . [bold]) ((mono x) . [bold]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background) '((global (nil . "gray95") ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-blink-off 'foreground) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background) '((global ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'sql-exec-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue violet"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'documentation 'foreground) '((global (nil . "firebrick"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-gray 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [xbm :file "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gray1.xbm" :data (16 16 "UU
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'red 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "#6920ac") ((color) . "#6920ac"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'blue 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-function-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-doc-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'pointer 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'yellow 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black") ((x) . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'background) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-keyword-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange") ((color) . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "green4") ((color x) . "green") (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'font) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'foreground) '((global ((mono x) . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'background) '((global ((mono x) . [default foreground]) ((grayscale) . "gray68") ((color) . "gray68"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'background) '((global ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'foreground) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline foreground]) ((mono x) . [modeline foreground]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'background) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline background]) ((mono x) . [modeline background]) ((color x) . "DeepPink"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "blue") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'font) '((global ((tty) . [bold-italic]) ((grayscale x) . [bold-italic]) ((mono x) . [bold-italic]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'c-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "medium sea green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'foreground) '((global (nil . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'background) '((global ((x) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-variable-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'green 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray1") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))

The same happens when I switch from Courier/12 to some other
font/fontsize.

All this happens with XEmacs-19.14 on HP's and Linux systems.
	
Michael.
	

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Hello there!

When I set switch motion highlighting to 'Highlight' for all buffers
and modes, save the options and restart xemacs I see it coming up with
the old highlighting schema 'underline'.

This is how my .xemacs-options file looks like before I switch motion
highlighting:

;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-

(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(19 14))
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
    (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default case-replace t)
    (setq-default zmacs-regions t)
  (setq-default mouse-yank-at-point nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-timeout 2)
  (setq-default debug-on-error nil)
  (setq-default debug-on-quit nil)
  (setq-default lpr-switches nil)
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p nil)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-a4)
  (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit nil)
  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)
  (setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-fonts nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-colors '(color))
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-decoration nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-size 256000)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
  (require 'font-lock)
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)
  (require 'paren)
  (paren-set-mode 'paren)
  (if (featurep 'scrollbar) (progn (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-width 'nil) (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-height 'nil)))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness '((global (nil . 2))))
  (setq-default truncate-lines nil)
  (setq-default bar-cursor nil)
    (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 20)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-sort-function 'sort-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-grouping-function 'group-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil)
  (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t)
  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) (add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) (add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))
  (setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
  (make-face 'font-lock-reference-face)
  (make-face 'font-lock-string-face)
  (make-face 'modeline)
  (make-face 'gui-button-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable)
  (make-face 'zmacs-region)
  (make-face 'highlight)
  (make-face 'paren-blink-off)
  (make-face 'motion-gray)
  (make-face 'paren-match)
  (make-face 'sql-exec-face)
  (make-face 'documentation)
  (make-face 'right-margin)
  (make-face 'motion-inverted)
  (make-face 'red)
  (make-face 'primary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
  (make-face 'bold)
  (make-face 'underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-type-face)
  (make-face 'blue)
  (make-face 'left-margin)
  (make-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
  (make-face 'motion-underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
  (make-face 'bold-italic)
  (make-face 'pointer)
  (make-face 'yellow)
  (make-face 'default)
  (make-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)
  (make-face 'list-mode-item-selected)
  (make-face 'isearch)
  (make-face 'paren-mismatch)
  (make-face 'modeline-buffer-id)
  (make-face 'motion-bold)
  (make-face 'text-cursor)
  (make-face 'font-lock-variable-name-face)
  (make-face 'green)
  (make-face 'secondary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
  (make-face 'c-comment-face)
  (make-face 'italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-reference-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red3") (nil . "red") ((color) . "red3") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Black") ((x) . "Black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray75") ((x) . "Gray75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [nothing]) ((tty) . [nothing]) ((stream) . [nothing]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'background) '((global (nil . "grey75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "red") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'font) '((global ((grayscale x) . [bold]) ((mono x) . [bold]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background) '((global (nil . "gray95") ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-blink-off 'foreground) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-gray 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [xbm :file "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gray1.xbm" :data (16 16 "UU
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background) '((global ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'sql-exec-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue violet"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'documentation 'foreground) '((global (nil . "firebrick"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'red 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "#6920ac") ((color) . "#6920ac"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'blue 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-function-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-doc-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'pointer 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'yellow 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black") ((x) . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'background) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-keyword-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange") ((color) . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "green4") ((color x) . "green") (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'font) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'foreground) '((global ((mono x) . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'background) '((global ((mono x) . [default foreground]) ((grayscale) . "gray68") ((color) . "gray68"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'background) '((global ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'foreground) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline foreground]) ((mono x) . [modeline foreground]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'background) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline background]) ((mono x) . [modeline background]) ((color x) . "DeepPink"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "blue") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'font) '((global ((tty) . [bold-italic]) ((grayscale x) . [bold-italic]) ((mono x) . [bold-italic]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'foreground) '((global (nil . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'background) '((global ((x) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-variable-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'green 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray1") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'c-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "medium sea green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))

After modifying and saving my highlighting options the .xemacs-options
contains the following:
;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-

(setq options-file-xemacs-version '(19 14))
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
    (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default case-replace t)
    (setq-default zmacs-regions t)
  (setq-default mouse-yank-at-point nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-timeout 2)
  (setq-default debug-on-error nil)
  (setq-default debug-on-quit nil)
  (setq-default lpr-switches nil)
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p nil)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-a4)
  (setq-default get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit nil)
  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)
  (setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-fonts nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-use-colors '(color))
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-decoration nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-maximum-size 256000)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-enable-list nil)
  (setq-default font-lock-mode-disable-list nil)
  (require 'font-lock)
  (remove-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)
  (require 'paren)
  (paren-set-mode 'paren)
  (if (featurep 'scrollbar) (progn (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-width 'nil) (add-spec-list-to-specifier scrollbar-height 'nil)))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness '((global (nil . 2))))
  (setq-default truncate-lines nil)
  (setq-default bar-cursor nil)
    (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 20)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-sort-function 'sort-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-grouping-function 'group-buffers-menu-by-mode-then-alphabetically)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil)
  (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts t)
  (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t)
  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) (add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) (add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))
  (setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
  (make-face 'font-lock-reference-face)
  (make-face 'font-lock-string-face)
  (make-face 'modeline)
  (make-face 'gui-button-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable)
  (make-face 'zmacs-region)
  (make-face 'highlight)
  (make-face 'paren-blink-off)
  (make-face 'motion-inverted)
  (make-face 'paren-match)
  (make-face 'sql-exec-face)
  (make-face 'documentation)
  (make-face 'right-margin)
  (make-face 'motion-gray)
  (make-face 'red)
  (make-face 'primary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
  (make-face 'bold)
  (make-face 'underline)
  (make-face 'font-lock-type-face)
  (make-face 'blue)
  (make-face 'left-margin)
  (make-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
  (make-face 'motion-bold)
  (make-face 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
  (make-face 'bold-italic)
  (make-face 'pointer)
  (make-face 'yellow)
  (make-face 'default)
  (make-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
  (make-face 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)
  (make-face 'list-mode-item-selected)
  (make-face 'isearch)
  (make-face 'paren-mismatch)
  (make-face 'modeline-buffer-id)
  (make-face 'c-comment-face)
  (make-face 'text-cursor)
  (make-face 'font-lock-variable-name-face)
  (make-face 'green)
  (make-face 'secondary-selection)
  (make-face 'font-lock-preprocessor-face)
  (make-face 'motion-underline)
  (make-face 'italic)
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-reference-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red3") (nil . "red") ((color) . "red3") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'foreground) '((global (nil . "Black") ((x) . "Black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background) '((global (nil . "Gray75") ((x) . "Gray75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [nothing]) ((tty) . [nothing]) ((stream) . [nothing]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'gui-button-face 'background) '((global (nil . "grey75"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "red") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'font) '((global ((grayscale x) . [bold]) ((mono x) . [bold]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'zmacs-region 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background) '((global (nil . "gray95") ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'highlight 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-blink-off 'foreground) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-inverted 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background) '((global ((color) . "darkseagreen2") ((color) . "green") ((grayscale) . "gray1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'background-pixmap) '((global ((color x) . [nothing]) ((color tty) . [nothing]) ((color stream) . [nothing]) ((grayscale x) . [nothing]) ((grayscale tty) . [nothing]) ((grayscale stream) . [nothing]) ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-match 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'sql-exec-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue violet"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'documentation 'foreground) '((global (nil . "firebrick"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-gray 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [xbm :file "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gray1.xbm" :data (16 16 "UU
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'red 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray3") ((color) . "gray"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'primary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray3" :data (4 4 "
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red") ((color) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-type-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "#6920ac") ((color) . "#6920ac"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'blue 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-function-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-bold 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-doc-string-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "green4") (nil . "green") ((color) . "green4") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'highlight) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'pointer 'foreground) '((global (nil . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'yellow 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "yellow"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'foreground) '((global (nil . "black") ((x) . "black"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'background) '((global (nil . "white") ((x) . "white"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'default 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-keyword-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "orange") ((color) . "orange"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "green4") ((color x) . "green") (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'font) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline-mousable)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'foreground) '((global ((mono x) . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'background) '((global ((mono x) . [default foreground]) ((grayscale) . "gray68") ((color) . "gray68"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'list-mode-item-selected 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'background) '((global ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'isearch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'foreground) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline foreground]) ((mono x) . [modeline foreground]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'background) '((global ((grayscale x) . [modeline background]) ((mono x) . [modeline background]) ((color x) . "DeepPink"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'paren-mismatch 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'foreground) '((global ((color x) . "blue") (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'font) '((global ((tty) . [bold-italic]) ((grayscale x) . [bold-italic]) ((mono x) . [bold-italic]) (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'background-pixmap) '((global ((x) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((tty) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]) ((stream) . [inherit :face #s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'underline) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'strikethru) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'highlight) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'dim) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'blinking) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'modeline-buffer-id 'reverse) '((global (nil . [#s(face name modeline)]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'c-comment-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "medium sea green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'foreground) '((global (nil . [default background]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'background) '((global ((x) . "red"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'text-cursor 'reverse) '((global ((tty) . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-variable-name-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'green 'foreground) '((global ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background) '((global ((grayscale) . "gray1") ((color) . "paleturquoise") ((color) . "green"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'secondary-selection 'background-pixmap) '((global ((mono x) . [xbm :file "/usr/include/X11/bitmaps/gray1" :data (2 2 "")]) ((mono tty) . [string :data "gray1"]))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'font-lock-preprocessor-face 'foreground) '((global (nil . "blue3") (nil . "blue") ((color) . "blue3") ((color) . "blue"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'motion-underline 'underline) '((global (nil . t))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'font) '((global (nil . "-adobe-courier-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1"))))
  (add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'italic 'underline) '((global ((tty) . t))))

The same happens when I switch from Courier/12 to some other
font/fontsize.

All this happens with XEmacs-19.14 on HP's and Linux systems.
	
Michael.
	

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From: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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Date: 09 Aug 1996 13:45:37 +0200
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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

 kendall> Occasionally, while using gnus and/or mh-e, xemacs will
 kendall> start alternately displaying the hour glass and displaying
 kendall> the cursor (garbage collecting?). If I let it continue, it
 kendall> will go on for several minutes (I've never waited to see if
 kendall> it is going to complete so far), with my xload displaying
 kendall> solid black. I'm running solaris 2.4 x86. Does this sound
 kendall> familiar? It seems to happen when trying to read a message
 kendall> (when I later look at the messages they consist of maybe 15
 kendall> lines of text).

I experienced the same problem with messages containing an X-Face
header. It threw my XEmacs into an infinite loop (\infty\approx
2h). This was with XEmacs-19.13 Gnus 5.2.? and tm-7.5?. I never
figured out how to cure it apart from disabling mime decoding.  Now
everything is fine with XEmacs-19.14 and compiled-in x-face support.

Holger

-- 
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Caution: feeding Gnus to your XEmacs will make it fat.

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From: sarathy@bnr.ca (Skishore Sarathy)
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Hi!
   I'm trying to run xemacs on my Pentium 133 machine (at home) running 
Slackware 3.0 distribution of linux and Xfree 3.2E.  When I run xemacs 
from the command line, I get the following error.

     "Can't resolve symbol _h_errno
      Segmentation fault."
 
   I get the same message when I try to run xemacs 19.13/19.14.  I guess 
I'm missing something in my setup.  I would appreciate any help in resolving
this problem.  Thanks.

kishore sarathy
(sarathy@nortel.com)

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From: sarathy@bnr.ca (Skishore Sarathy)
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Hi!
   I'm trying to print the class inheritance tree from xoobr in xemacs (at
work).  Currently, I'm using xwd & xpr and it is very messy for trees longer 
than one page.  Is there a better way to do this?  Please let me know.  Thanks.

kishore sarathy.
(sarathy@nortel.com)

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Or rather: how to make a glyph at all!

I've been fighting with xemacs lisp documentation for several hours,
and been told about instances, instantiators, images and so on (note,
*never* once was there a concise definition one could understand, but
all sort of vague hand-waving, and relating with other constructions
explained similarly "well" in the manual, with, if at all, totally
obscure and incomprehensible examples not doing anything of practical
use).

I have not been able to make a simple glyph from a xpm file (I have
managed several times to make the filename an annotation, but that
does not count) and tack it into a buffer. If it is that hard to even
accomplish this simplest task of XEamcs graphics' features, how do you
expect anybody to come up with useful extension packages for XEmacs
using that?

Basically, I tried getting a glyph by something like
(setq myglyph (make-glyph '[xpm :file "filename.xpm"] 'buffer))
or similar, and I always get something which looks pretty empty, and
will not show up if I make an annotation with it.

Of course you'll say that I'm being stupid and doing something
obviously wrong or incredibly simle-minded, but if you care to
enlighten me in an understandable way, please keep your answer *and*
*put* *it* *in* *the* *XEmacs* *lisp* *manual*!!!!

Thanks,
-- 
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Xemacs 19.14


I am editing a Makefile and would like Xemacs to insert TABS (\t) at the
start of the line instead of adding spaces.  Is there a way to do this
other than the brute force "tabify-region" command?  Am I missing a simple variable setting?

I appreciate the help.

Cheers,
Ken

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From: Michael Tennes <mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>
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I wrote:
 >
 > I just finished making Xemacs for the Apple Macintosh (68K). Don't try
 > this at home, its a bear!

No, I wasn't kidding. No, it doesn't run under MacOS directly. Yes, I
did it at home. I compiled Xemacs-19.13 for MachTen 2.3 with much
appreciated help from Joe Kim.

MachTen is a BSD (Berkley Standard Distribution) version of UNIX that
runs concurrently with the MacOS (7.5.3 in my case). MachTen was/is
developed by Tenon Intersystems and you can find out everything about
them at http://www.tenon.com

Xemacs runs surprisingly fast on the Mac (Quadra 840AV & PB520c) and
it's great for editing C source code.

-- 
Michael

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

>>>>> "CAF" == Craig A Finseth <fin@winternet.com> writes:

CAF> The best thing for Java -- and free source code -- would be to start
CAF> converting the whole GNU code base to Java and spread the code and the
CAF> source widely.  After all, every applet can include a "fetch source"
CAF> button.

BAW> The very first thing you need, then, is a source code distribution of a
BAW> free (and I don't mean $$$) Java development environment.

Not really -- you just need the intention to have a free development
environment to which the software will conform when its available and then go
off and develop the software on what is currently available (can you say GNU
Hurd?).

BAW> Certainly from the FSF's point of view, it doesn't do GNU any good to
BAW> have the source to the applications but not to the
BAW> machine/compiler/whatever that is used to build/run/whatever those same
BAW> applications.

But it is already available from a number of different vendors if you don't
require that it be "free".  And there is the "Free Java" effort for the long
term development platform.
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> [emailed and posted]
> >>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:
> 
> David> * Why does the cited message get highlighted in the Message
> David>   buffer when posting a reply?  Other than cancel the highlight
> David>   and start editing the message, what else might someone do in
> David>   this circumstance?
> 
> That's a consequence of the standards for the Emacs mail subsystems,
> and the fact you have zmacs regions enabled.  If you do not like this
> behavior you may turn it off by an appropriate setting of
> message-xmas-dont-activate-region:
> 
> message-xmas-dont-activate-region's value is t
>   -- a variable declared in Lisp.
> 
> Documentation:
> If t, don't activate region after yanking.
> 

But why is the variable t by default?  It seems that the first thing one
would do is to unactivate the region.  What use is there to activating the
region in the first place?  Filling text? -- that has other problems.

-- 
Ed Goei
edg@eng.sun.com

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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

kendall> Occasionally, while using gnus and/or mh-e, xemacs will start
kendall> alternately displaying the hour glass and displaying the
kendall> cursor (garbage collecting?). If I let it continue, it will
kendall> go on for several minutes (I've never waited to see if it is
kendall> going to complete so far), with my xload displaying solid
kendall> black. I'm running solaris 2.4 x86.  Does this sound
kendall> familiar?

A way of tracking this one down is to set
Options->General Options->Debug on Quit from the menubar or eval
(setq debug-on-quit t) in the minibuffer.  The next time it happens to
you, hit C-g, and post the backtrace.

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>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Debus <adebus@weizen.mpibpc.gwdg.de> writes:

Andreas> Hi!
Andreas> Does anybody know how to set the background color of xemacs frames?
Andreas> Are there any Xdefaults for this purpose or builtin elisp functions?

I use the following in my .Xdefaults:

Emacs*background: #c0c0c0

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Subject: Re: Xmacs 19.14 and X11R6 (x312e) help...
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>>>>> "Kristie" == Kristie Zimmer <kzimmer@eagle.wbm.ca> writes:

Kristie> I recently installed X11R6 on my linux box.  I installed
Kristie> XFree86 x312d and x312e.  As well I installed Xemacs 19.14.
Kristie> When I try to run it I get an error message saying can't find
Kristie> libXm.so.2.  What release of X11 is this lib in?

Are you using the precompiled binaries?  libXm is the Motif library,
and is not installed by default in many Linux distributions.  I
suggest using a non-Motif version of XEmacs.  There's nothing special
about the Motif version, so you won't be missing out on anything (I
don't use Motif w/ XEmacs and have never felt deprived).

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>>>>> "Skishore" == Skishore Sarathy <sarathy@bnr.ca> writes:

Skishore> Hi!
Skishore>    I'm trying to run xemacs on my Pentium 133 machine (at
Skishore> home) running Slackware 3.0 distribution of linux and Xfree
Skishore> 3.2E.  When I run xemacs from the command line, I get the
Skishore> following error.

Skishore>      "Can't resolve symbol _h_errno
Skishore>       Segmentation fault."
 
The problem that wouldn't die :-(.  See the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

You are using the precompiled binaries and your libc is too old.
Recompile XEmacs yourself, or upgrade your libraries.
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sarathy@bnr.ca (Skishore Sarathy) writes:

> 
> Hi!
>    I'm trying to run xemacs on my Pentium 133 machine (at home) running 
> Slackware 3.0 distribution of linux and Xfree 3.2E.  When I run xemacs 
> from the command line, I get the following error.
> 
>      "Can't resolve symbol _h_errno
>       Segmentation fault."
>  
>    I get the same message when I try to run xemacs 19.13/19.14.  I guess 
> I'm missing something in my setup.  I would appreciate any help in resolving
> this problem.  Thanks.

>From the FAQ;

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

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In article <320B3DB9.41C67EA6@ai.polymtl.ca> Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

> entry for the bib-create-auto-file function in the bibtex-mode pull-down
> menu. From bib-cite.el, it seems that this feature is only for emacs-19.
> True?
No, but for some reason (probably omission) it's only included in the emacs
menu. You can call it manually.

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Steve,

Your Fix worked great! 

The only problem is that it still occurs when we use the Page Up/Page
Down keys and C-v or M-v.  Would you have a fix for that case?

Thanks,

jim

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>>>>> "KM" == Kohler Markus <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:

KM> Hmm, i think we can assume

When you assume you make an ASS out of yoU and ME.

KM> that a java interpreter will be included in every major operation
KM> system (at least from IBM, Microsoft, HP, SUN).

What about all the other major and "not so major" operating systems in
use out there, that Emacs currently runs under?  Remember, the
definition of "legacy system" is "a system that works".

KM> So one java interpreter can be used by several programms.  This will
KM> never be the case with emacs IMHO.

I use one Emacs lisp interpreter for several programs all the time, many
of which work quite closely with other programs: filladapt, Gnus,
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Hello!

I'm having difficulty making code written with emacs look correct when
edited with vi.  When I write the following function using xemacs with

c-basic-offset  4
indent-line-function  'indent-relative-maybe
c-set-offset 'substatement-open 0

main()
{
    int i=3;
    if ( i > 3)
    {
        printf("Hello World");
    }
    else
    {
        if ( i == 5)
        {
            printf("testing"):
        }
    }
}

...which is fine. 

When I try to use vi to edit it, (with autoindent on, and tabspace = 4)
it looks like this:
{
    i = 3;
    if ( i > 3)
    {
    printf("Hello World");
    }
    else
    {
    if ( i == 5)
    {
        printf("testing"):
    }
    }
}

Does anybody know how to set emacs so that this doesn't happen?  Thanks

-Mike

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[emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Searle <jims@broadcom.com> writes:

Jim> Steve,

Jim> Your Fix worked great! 

Jim> The only problem is that it still occurs when we use the Page
Jim> Up/Page Down keys and C-v or M-v.  Would you have a fix for that
Jim> case?

That's odd, because that's what I tested them on.  The Page Up and
Page Down keys are bound to scroll-down and scroll-up respectively on
my keyboard.  I've made a slight change (at the suggestion of
T.V. Raman <raman@adobe.com>) so the code now looks like (also
available as XEmacs FAQ Q3.10.5):

(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

This works with both Page Up, Page Down, C-v and M-v.  This new
definition only works when scroll-up and scroll-down are called
interactively.  If called non-interactively, eg. from a lisp function,
the old behavior is available.

NB: I have been unsuccesful in removing advice once it has been
created, so I recommend any experimentation with functions like these
be done in a fresh copy of XEmacs.
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I noticed that the configure script in the xemacs-19.14
source package has a check for -lpthreads.
I've got libpthreads.a libpthreads.so, the whole pthread
package built from libc-5.4.4.  But the configure
script never seems to find a pthreads library.
It is also interesting to note that it seems only the
configure script has support fo pthreads.  Does xemacs
have pthreads support at all?

Kwan Hoo Lau


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Is there  a location from where I  can download a  complete postscript
documentation  on emacs for the Sun.  I currently  only have a command
card for  emacs.  I'd  be grateful   it someone  could e-mail  me  the
information directly.
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From: Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk>
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kenw@Newbridge.COM (Ken Workun) writes:

> I am editing a Makefile and would like Xemacs to insert TABS (\t) at
> the start of the line instead of adding spaces.  Is there a way to
> do this other than the brute force "tabify-region" command?  Am I
> missing a simple variable setting?
> 
> I appreciate the help.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ken

I've never had emacs *not* insert tabs in my Makefiles. Check the value of
the indent-tabs-mode variable

>From the help -
  indent-tabs-mode's value is t
    -- a built-in boolean variable.
  Setting it would make its value buffer-local.

  Documentation:
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Paul

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Hi Guys,
	I have a question about Info and Xemacs-19.14. I have added
Gnus-5.36 along with Tm-7.75 and would like to get them to show up under
'help/info(detailed docs)' in xemacs or at least be able to include
these files somewhere to read. They both have 'texi' type files located
under /usr/local/gnus-5.36 and /usr/local/tm/doc.

I have included these lines in my .emacs thinking that this would
work, but didn't:

(setq Info-default-directory-list (cons "/usr/local/gnus-5.2.36/texi" 
Info-default-directory-list))

(setq Info-default-directory-list (cons "/usr/local/tm/doc" 
Info-default-directory-list))

I think I must be missing a step here. I haven't done anything to the
texi files that were included with the distributions. Is that the step
I'm missing and how do I do it, please.

I'm lost with these info files, so any help much appreciated.

Thanks,


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In article <m2lofqm7d5.fsf@wun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:
| 
|    In article <tv686ul0vy.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus
|    <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:
| 
|       Yes Lisp is not bad. I like some features of Lisp which Java will
|       never have ( closures for example).  So far i remember Lisp was
|       invented for AI programming. IMHO it failed there, a lot of the
|       newer AI stuff is not written in Lisp.
| 
|    Sorry to intrude on your history, but Lisp is short for "List
|    processing". The language history is quite a bit longer than that of
|    AI. Lisp came into use shortly after Fortran, and its purpose was,
|    well, list processing. Namely juggling with structured things of
|    arbitrary length (as opposed to bland arrays) and contents which could
|    also be symbolical or substructured.
| 
|    As far as I know Lisp is older than both Algol and Cobol (doubtless
|    someone will correct me on that, but I guess I'm not decades off).

John McCarthy developed LISP in 1957-1959 as an AI language after he
got disgusted with the inadaquacies of FORTRAN for such purposes.

(Mind you, I wasn't even born in 1959; I got my info from
<http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/html/lisp/histlit1.html>

-mac
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   In article <m2lofqm7d5.fsf@wun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
   dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (David Kastrup) writes:
   | 
   |    In article <tv686ul0vy.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com> Kohler Markus
   |    <kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> writes:
   | 
   |       Yes Lisp is not bad. I like some features of Lisp which Java will
   |       never have ( closures for example).  So far i remember Lisp was
   |       invented for AI programming. IMHO it failed there, a lot of the
   |       newer AI stuff is not written in Lisp.
   | 
   |    Sorry to intrude on your history, but Lisp is short for "List
   |    processing". The language history is quite a bit longer than that of
   |    AI. Lisp came into use shortly after Fortran, and its purpose was,
   |    well, list processing. Namely juggling with structured things of
   |    arbitrary length (as opposed to bland arrays) and contents which could
   |    also be symbolical or substructured.
   | 
   |    As far as I know Lisp is older than both Algol and Cobol (doubtless
   |    someone will correct me on that, but I guess I'm not decades off).

Actually, I sent that a bit too soon. Here is a definitive ordering (from
<http://www.byte.com/art/9509/sec7/art19.htm>:
...

1957 

FORTRAN--mathematical FORmula TRANslating system--appears. Heading the
team is John Backus, who goes on to contribute to the development of
ALGOL and the well-known syntax-specification system known as BNF.

1958 

FORTRAN II appears, able to handle subroutines and links to assembly
language. John McCarthy at M.I.T.  begins work on LISP--LISt
Processing.

The original specification for ALGOL appears. The specification does
not describe how data will be input or output; that is left to the
individual implementations.

1959 

LISP 1.5 appears. COBOL is created by the Conference on Data Systems
and Languages (CODASYL).

1960 

ALGOL 60, the first block-structured language, appears. This is the
root of the family tree that will ultimately produce the likes of
Pascal. ALGOL goes on to become the most popular language in Europe in
the mid- to late-1960s.

Sometime in the early 1960s, Kenneth Iverson begins work on the
language that will become APL--A Programming Language. It uses a
specialized character set that, for proper use, requires
APL-compatible I/O devices.

...

There you have it.
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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes: This
    >>> should be done in a seperate, low-priority thread 

    >> This is a nice idea. But like garbage collection or stealthy
    >> fontification, it always seems secondary jobs are way >>>
    >> behind just when you need them most :-)

    Eugene> Um, what is "stealthy fontification?"

Have a look at font-lock and lazy-lock packages. Great stuff in this !

Phil.


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In article <tv686ul0vy.fsf@betze.bbn.hp.com>, Kohler Markus
<kohlerm@betze.bbn.hp.com> wrote:

> Hmm, i think we can assume that a java interpreter will be included in every 
> major operation system (at least from IBM, Microsoft, HP, SUN). 

I hate that. Java is compiled. There is not an interpreter for Java.
It is compiled to some code that is being interpreted by
a virtual machine (or by a real processor).

There are compiled Lisps, interpreted Lisp, Lisps that support
both.

> So one java interpreter can be used by several programms.

There is no Java interpreter. It is a virtual machine for Java
byte code (or some kind of arrangement with a JIT compiler
for the byte codes).

This virtual machine I hate most. SUN has designed it specifically
for executing a byte code that is being designed just for Java.
Some other languages don't map very well to this VM: Scheme,
Smalltalk, Prolog, ... I'm not holding my breath for the
redesign of the VM (which was once mentioned by SUN people).

> This will never be the case with emacs IMHO. 

Of course you could execute Emacs Lisp (or whatever language
you like) on a virtual machine. Well, we already have that.
Or what do you think eexcutes Emacs Lisp byte codes?
No big deal (see also the GUILE project).

> I also think about object-oriented reuse,which could also save some MB's. 

There have been Emacs-like editors written, new will be written.
Write one in Java - fine. I'm not betting any money on it.

I have been using Common Lisps which have Emacs like editors written
in Common Lisp (Symbolics Zmacs, Digitools FRED,
Harlequinss LispWorks). Macintosh Common Lisp
right now is quite small, fast (due to direct to PPC
compilation), multi-threaded, etc. It contains
a nice object-oriented editor written in Common Lisp.
I does useful work for me.

Others want a PERL-based Emacs. Fine, let them write it. 

> Yes Lisp is not bad. I like some features of Lisp which Java will never have
> ( closures for example). 
> So far i remember Lisp was invented for AI programming.

AI in 1958? You're kidding.

> IMHO it failed there,
> a lot of the newer AI stuff is not written in Lisp. 

Yep, why not. There is no rule that AI software has to be written
in Lisp.

A lot CAD software is not written in Java.
But in Lisp - ask Concentra (ICAD), PTC (CDRS), ..

A lot of mathematical software is also not written
in Java. But in Lisp. Even Emacs has a cool
symbolic math system.

There has been failures of Lisp and there are success stories.
Most people seem to know the failures. But did you know
that American Express still uses Lispms to check the
more problematic credit card transactions? Or that the
Gulf logistics were supported by Lisp systems in the field
communicating over very diverse links by implementing a 
"quality of service" wide area network?

Emacs Lisp still going strong. This is also a success story.

AutoLisp is another success story.

Scheme is a success story.

> I think the newer functional languages like CAML are very interesting, 
> perhaps better than Java, but there are not a lot of people using them. 

ML is nice. Java is nice. Common Lisp is nice. Emacs Lisp is nice.
Haskell is nice. Dylan is nice. Oberon is nice, too.
Modula 3 - also nice.

I don't care. I want software thats useful to me. Until
now I have no software that my work depends on, that is
written in Java. Most the software I use is written in C,
C++, Pascal, Assembler or Lisp.

What would a Java version of Eudora do better than the current one?
Mail software written Emacs Lisp already does cool stuff.
The Symbolics Lisp machine had a very cool mail client
ten years ago and I was able to extent this stuff by myself
down to the core.

Emacs Lisp has proven itself useful. There are very useable
applications written in Emacs Lisp used by many thousands of people
daily.

Why not do the redesign of Emacs (if you really need one)
in Oberon? In ML? In Dylan? In C++?

What are the properties of Java that does make it interesting?

- It is widely available. Are there any implementations
  that are already usable, besides writing gimmicks?
- It is object-oriented. Well, as thousand other languages, too.
- It can be safely automatically downloaded in incremental steps.
  Is this something your editor needs?
- It is cross platform. With varying speed and implementation
  quality, that is.
- It is extremely good supported. True.
- It is a high-level language. Then have a look at Dylan.

Let's see something *useful* written in Java. Currently I'm not that
impressed. Just saw some Java demos from Apple. Well,
the stuff reminded me of my Apple II (remember Moire graphics?).

Rainer Joswig

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The gdb/gud mode that comes with xemacs 19.14 seems to try to keep
three windows open, unlike the traditional GNU emacs gdb/gud mode.
Is there any way of getting the old behavior?

I couldn't find anything about this in the documentation, and I didn't
see any related configuration parameter in the sources either.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Thomas.

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>>>> 'Jong-Suk Lee (astrix@eros.postech.ac.kr)' asked the following:

 JL> I use eterm. How to open two or more term ?

I'm assuming eterm is like shell or term. In that case, rename the buffer to
something unique (M-x rename-buffer) and then start another eterm.

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dcook@xenu.utexas.edu (David M. Cook) writes:

> The source has to be modified for xemacs. 

AUC TeX should work out of the box for XEmacs.  


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Hi all....

I have send email regarding this problem before but have never
recieved an answer which resolved the situation.

I am using Xemacs 19.14 and tm 7.77:

The problem that I am encountering is in both VM 5.96 and GNUS
5.2.39.  I can send mail with no problems but run into a situation
where when I recieve email or a news article that contains a "x-face"
reference in the header GNUS and VM hang. Below is an example of a
message that causes GNUS to hang:

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: tm latest version ?
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Is there anything I can do to fix this problem so that I can continue
to use tm.  Right now I only activate it to send email because of the
hanging problems I am encountering.

Thanks in advance,

andreas


   Steller Computer Consultants	 	Andreas Kaempf
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try gdbsrc-mode instead , for me it works better than gdb or gud mode
bodo
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Now that I have learned how to set my own toolbar and
started to make one for TeX-mode, I find that I am short on
icons.  Are there sites with xpm's of the right size to pick
up some more?

                                 John


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In article <m2lofqm7d5.fsf@wun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>Sorry to intrude on your history, but Lisp is short for "List
>processing". The language history is quite a bit longer than that of
>AI. Lisp came into use shortly after Fortran, and its purpose was,
>well, list processing.

Sorry to intrude on *your* history, but the original poster was right.
Lisp was developed by John McCarthy, an AI pioneer.  He realized that AI
required symbols and complex data structures, which weren't available in
Fortran, and that conses and lists are extremely general building blocks
for the structures he needed.  So he invented a list processing language
for AI.
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In article <tz3f20b6om.fsf@baldy.kla.com>,
David Masterson  <davidm@baldy.kla.com> wrote:
>3. Only programmers are really interested in the open, all source code model.
>   Others might be interested in it from time to time, but, if the system
>   works, why would the large percentage of the population look at the source
>   code?  As has been proven many times before, if the system ever breaks (or
>   looks like it will break), most people will just go out and buy the new
>   improved version (this model is what keeps a large percentage of us
>   programmers gainfully employed).

What if the new version doesn't solve your problem?  While most end-users
don't care to see the source code, the fact that it is available to people
they can hire should be important to them.  How would you feel if you could
only take your car, TV, VCR, or computer back to the manufacturer for
repairs?  The current situation with proprietary software is like that --
maintenance can only be obtained from the vendor, and perhaps a limited
number of licensed resellers.

Or what if you need an enhancement and the vendor doesn't see fit to
include it?  This could be considered analogous to "detailing" a car.
Again, this can be done by anyone with the appropriate skills, but only the
vendor can "detail" his software.  When source code is available, someone
with programming talent can do it, and someone without the skills can find
someone who does.
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In article <yzsohknoxf6.fsf_-_@exu.ericsson.se>,
Shyamal Prasad  <exushml@exu.ericsson.se> wrote:
>How hard would it be to write a compiler that compiles elisp to the
>java VM?

I read a web page by someone at MIT about some features that need to be
added to the Java VM to make it a reasonable target for compiling Lisp-like
languages (e.g. Lisp, Dylan, Scheme, Smalltalk); sorry, I don't have the
URL handy.  The main thing is decent support for immediate numeric and
character datatypes, because unboxing and boxing them (as is currently
necessary for runtime polymorphism) would have significant performance
impact (at least doubling the time for simple arithmetic operations).
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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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Subject: Xemacs, pop, movemail
Date: 10 Aug 1996 21:30:34 -0700
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Has anyone here successfully built movemail for xemacs such that it uses
POP (i.e., built with -DMAIL_USE_POP.) on a linux/ELF system?

I have had no luck getting it to make, and the version I've hacked to
compile gives me errors about permissions on binding a socket.

Please contact me if you can help. I'll provide strace output,
make+compiler output, ice cream, you name it.

morgan
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From: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Debus <adebus@weizen.mpibpc.gwdg.de> writes:
 Andreas> Hi! Does anybody know how to set the background color of
 Andreas> xemacs frames? Are there any Xdefaults for this purpose or
 Andreas> builtin elisp functions?

 Steven> I use the following in my .Xdefaults:
 Steven> Emacs*background: #c0c0c0

But this is overridden by any modifications made with edit-faces and
saved in the .xemacs-options file. Thus I think the best way to set
the default text background color, which need not necessarily be the
frame background color, is to set it via edit-faces. Or you can do it
by hand, in which case you should arrange to have your code executed
*after* the options file is loaded. Try this in your .emacs:

(set-face-background 'default "ivory")

or if want to go all the (XEmacs) way try something along the line of

(if (featurep 'xpm) (set-face-background-pixmap 'default 
			(expand-file-name "~/Icons/paper.xpm")))

Holger

-- 
Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>                             

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From: Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@bigbro.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Saving options in Xemacs 19.14
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padmai@isi.edu (Padma Indraganti) writes:

> Is there a postscript version of the Xemacs manual available for 
> printing? I could not find the answer to this in the FAQ.
> 
The sources come with the documentation in texinfo format.  If you have
LaTeX installed, then "texi2dvi" would do the trick.  I makes you a dvi
file which you can then convert with "dvips" to produce a postscript
document.

	Nicolai

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In article <joswig-1008960206280001@news.lavielle.com>,
joswig@lavielle.com (Rainer Joswig) wrote:

> AI in 1958? You're kidding.

I apologize for this last sentence. It is obviously wrong. Sorry.

Rainer Joswig

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To all,
Please excuse my previous posting in MIME :-o . I am only beginning to 
understand the rules of the game, and the functions of TM.

David Ritter
dritter@mich.com

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From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
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Thanks for the continuing support of XEmacs.

Here are some problems I see with XEmacs 19.14, Sun 4/490, SunOS 4.1.3,
prebuilt binaries.

All of these problems existed in 19.13 too, but I never got around to
reporting them.

(1) The FAQ doesn't mention how to get rid of the toolbar.  Is it still this?

    (set-specifier top-toolbar-height 0)

    Does it take up much memory?  How can I free that memory and eliminate
    the toolbar permanently?

(2) Changing the top-toolbar-height while there are two buffers sharing the
    current frame, one above the other (after C-x 2) causes the display to
    be messed up.  For instance,

    xemacs -q
    C-x 2
    Then eval: (set-specifier top-toolbar-height 0)

    At this point, the bottom mode line disappears but the toolbar doesn't.
    C-l erases the toolbar, but its space isn't given to the visible
    buffers and the scrollbar on the right doesn't get extended up -- there
    is just a gap where the toolbar was.  C-l also doesn't bring back the
    bottom mode line.

    C-x 1

    seems to fix things.

(3) After C-x C-b (and still after following that with C-x 0), the
    horizontal scroll bar for the *Buffer List* window overlaps and hides
    the top part of the mode line text below it.  (In fact, it would be
    nice if the horizontal scroll bar were not displayed if in fact there's
    nothing for it to do -- that is, if nothing is off screen.)

(4) Typing C-z to iconify XEmacs changes XEmacs' name in my twm icon
    manager to "xemacs @ hostname".  I've set frame-icon-title-format to
    ("."  "HOSTNAME" " %b"), and this continues to work if I iconify any
    way other than C-z or M-x iconify-emacs.  E.g., even M-x iconify-frame
    doesn't screw this up.  The name in the icon manager resumes working
    when I unconify.  A similar thing happens if, while XEmacs is
    iconified, GNUS loses its NNTP connection -- the name in the icon
    manager changes to "xemacs @ hostname".

(5) In RMAIL, if I go into summary mode with C-M-l (and specify some label
    to summarize by), when I delete a given message, xemacs doesn't always
    move to the next message in the summary.  Instead it seems to move to
    the first following summary message whose message number *starts* with
    the digits of the number N+1 (if I deleted message N).  E.g., if I
    delete message 1 when message 2 isn't in the summary although 3 to 20
    are, the message selected after the deletion will be message 20 (having
    skipped *past* 3 through 19), since "20" starts with "2" (the message
    it is apparently looking for).  This makes it a lot of trouble to use
    the summary window to go through and delete messages, since it skips
    around a lot, especially when deleting low numbered messages.

(6) If I undelete a message from RMAIL summary mode, the cursor moves to
    the beginning of that message in the summary.  But if there is no
    message to undelete, the cursor moves to the *end* of the current line.
    Why??  Why not just display "No previous deleted message", like in
    normal RMAIL mode?

Thanks.
--
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-9015
me@CS.Stanford.EDU

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From: me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Martin Frost)
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Subject: xemacs modeline
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How do I change the modeline to simply be reverse video like it used to be?

I *am* able to get rid of the shadow like this:

    (set-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness 0)		; this part works

I've tried the following, but it doesn't change the modelines (current or
future ones).  They remain white on black instead of black on white.  I use
white on black for normal text.

    (set-face-background 'modeline "white" 'global)	; this doesn't work
    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "black" 'global)	; this doesn't work

The following works for a single buffer, but I want all buffers to do this
and I don't want to have to do it manually for each one.

    (set-face-background 'modeline "white" (current-buffer))
    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "black" (current-buffer))

This is with XEmacs 19.14, Sun 4/490, SunOS 4.1.3, prebuilt binaries.
I saw the same results in 19.13.

Thanks.
--
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-9015
me@CS.Stanford.EDU

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Martin Frost (me@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU) writes:

> (1) The FAQ doesn't mention how to get rid of the toolbar.  
>     Is it still this?
>
>     (set-specifier top-toolbar-height 0)

Try this instead:

  (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
			  (not (specifier-instance
				   default-toolbar-visible-p)))

  (redraw-frame (selected-frame))

The first toggles the toolbar on/off, and the latter cleans up
the frame afterwards.



--
Juan Villacis                        
Software Engineer                  |    Convenience is inversely 
Extreme! Computing Lab             |    proportional to security.
Indiana University - Bloomington

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Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:

> I propose the following challege.
> 
> Write a little elisp routine to colorize rgb.txt
> 
> For example, when the file is displayed, 
> an entry such as
> 
> 255 250 205		LemonChiffon
> 
> should appear with the word "Lemon Chiffon" colored with backround color
> LemonChiffon.  Use the rgb specification (i.e. 255 250 205) to determine
> if the foreground color should be white or black.

  ahhh, code reuse.  Try this little chunk of code.  Reused some code from
the 'font.el' package I distribute with Emacs-W3.  Odds are you will run
out of colors if you are on an 8bit display though. :)  It even works on a
TTY with XEmacs 19.14 - maps everything to the closest TTY color it can
find.  Wheee!

  This is XEmacs specific, but would probably run under Emacs 19.x if you
load up the w3-sysdp.el file distributed with Emacs-W3.  Just find your
rgb.txt file and then do M-x colorize-rgb-buffer

-Bill P.

(require 'cl)

(defun color-light-p (color-or-face)
  (let (face color)
    (cond
     ((or (facep color-or-face)
	  (and (symbolp color-or-face)
	       (find-face color-or-face)))
      (setq color (specifier-instance (face-background color-or-face))))
     ((color-instance-p color-or-face)
      (setq color color-or-face))
     ((color-specifier-p color-or-face)
      (setq color (specifier-instance color-or-face)))
     ((stringp color-or-face)
      (setq color (make-color-instance color-or-face)))
     (t (signal 'wrong-type-argument 'color-or-face-p)))
    (if color
	(not (< (apply '+ (color-instance-rgb-components color))
		(/ (apply '+ (color-instance-rgb-components
			      (make-color-instance "white"))) 3)))
      t)))

(defsubst tty-compute-color-delta (col1 col2)
  (+ 
   (* (- (aref col1 0) (aref col2 0))
      (- (aref col1 0) (aref col2 0)))
   (* (- (aref col1 1) (aref col2 1))
      (- (aref col1 1) (aref col2 1)))
   (* (- (aref col1 2) (aref col2 2))
      (- (aref col1 2) (aref col2 2)))))

(defun tty-find-closest-color (r g b)
  ;; This is basically just a lisp copy of allocate_nearest_color
  ;; from objects-x.c from Emacs 19
  ;; We really should just check tty-color-list, but unfortunately
  ;; that does not include any RGB information at all.
  ;; So for now we just hardwire in the default list and call it
  ;; good for now.
  (setq r (/ r 65535.0)
	g (/ g 65535.0)
	b (/ b 65535.0))
  (let* ((color_def (vector r g b))
	 (colors [([1.0 1.0 1.0] . "white")
		  ([0.0 1.0 1.0] . "cyan")
		  ([1.0 0.0 1.0] . "magenta")
		  ([0.0 0.0 1.0] . "blue")
		  ([1.0 1.0 0.0] . "yellow")
		  ([0.0 1.0 0.0] . "green")
		  ([1.0 0.0 0.0] . "red")
		  ([0.0 0.0 0.0] . "black")])
	 (no_cells (length colors))
	 (x 1)
	 (nearest 0)
	 (nearest_delta 0)
	 (trial_delta 0))
    (setq nearest_delta (tty-compute-color-delta (car (aref colors 0))
						      color_def))
    (while (/= no_cells x)
      (setq trial_delta (tty-compute-color-delta (car (aref colors x))
						      color_def))
      (if (< trial_delta nearest_delta)
	  (setq nearest x
		nearest_delta trial_delta))
      (setq x (1+ x)))
    (cdr-safe (aref colors nearest))))

(defun colorize-rgb-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let ((gc-cons-threshold (* 10 gc-cons-threshold))
	face r g b color-name)
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (while (not (eobp))
      (cond
       ((looking-at "^!")		; Comment!
	(end-of-line))
       ((looking-at "^[ \t0-9]+[ \t]+[0-9]+[ \t]+[0-9]+[ \t]+")
	(setq r (read (current-buffer))
	      g (read (current-buffer))
	      b (read (current-buffer)))
	(skip-chars-forward " \t")
	(message "Colorizing... %d%%" (* 100 (/ (float (point)) (point-max))))
	(case (device-type)
	  (tty
	   (setq color-name (tty-find-closest-color r g b)))
	  (x
	   (setq color-name (format "#%02x%02x%02x" r g b)))
	  (otherwise
	   (error "ack!")))
	(setq face (make-face (intern color-name) color-name t))
	(set-face-background face color-name)
	(if (color-light-p color-name)
	    (set-face-foreground face "black")
	  (set-face-foreground face "white"))
	(put-text-property (point) (progn (end-of-line) (point))
			   'face face))
       (t
	(message "Bad line in buffer - trying to cope.")
	(end-of-line)))
      (condition-case ()
	  (forward-char 1)
	(error nil)))))

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> Is there a postscript version of the Xemacs manual available for 
> printing? I could not find the answer to this in the FAQ.
> 
yes, there is a postcript for the xemacs doc, but i don't 
remember where i fond it, try http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu

Christophe




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David Kastrup wrote:
> 
>    It's not that hard. It might not be the most sophisticated way to do
>    this but "(set-glyph-property (make-glyph-internal) 'image "foo.xpm")"
>    returns a glyph with foo.xpm
> 
> Oh yes, this *is* intuitive. set-glyph-property returns a glyph which
> I do internally. How do I do this using make-glyph?

I totally agree that the doc is not of much help on this topic. I fought 
quite a while with this before I was able to come up with something
useful...

The next lines are just snipped out of my own 'view-graph-mode' that 
allows seeing the source and the glyph in two windows. Then you can edit 
the source and recreate the glyph on the fly. If your interested I could 
easly post the whole code (might be a useful idea anyway since there are 
probably a lot of people out there that could improve on it...)

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph 
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data 
		           (buffer-substring 
			   (point-min) 
		       	   (point-max)))))
(the thing I coudln't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
from the contents - like it does for files. So its a real pain in the ass 
to extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...)

HTH,
Thomas

P.S.: Hi to you Steven, how about something useful in the FAQ's????
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Hi everybody,
 im printing big text files whose lines don't exceed 10 chars wide.
I wanted to know if there is a way to reorganize those files in
multiple columns files to save trees and have shorter files printed
out.
Thanks for any clues !

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Juan E. Villacis wrote:
>   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
>                           (not (specifier-instance
>                                    default-toolbar-visible-p)))
> 
>   (redraw-frame (selected-frame))

If you want to get rid of the toolbar already at startup you should do 
something different (otherwise I got additional redraws of the frame 
because of the change of height):

In your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.topToolBarHeight:	0

In your .emacs:
  (if (featurep 'toolbar) (progn (set-default-toolbar-position 'top) 
(add-spec-list-to-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p '((global (nil)))) 
(add-spec-list-to-specifier toolbar-buttons-captioned-p 'nil)))

(thats what the Save Options puts there...)

Bye,
Thomas
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Hello,

when I'm using Gnus and I point to an article in the e.g.
   *Summary comp.emacs.xemacs* buffer
with the middle mouse button,
I often (not always) get the error message
   Marker does not point anywhere,
though the selected article appears in the *Article* buffer.

Where does this come from?

My installation:
   XEmacs 19.14
   Solaris 2.5
   CDE 1.01

Thanks in advance,

   Arne.


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Hi everybody,

I got problems with the gdb-4.16:

-the debugger cant find the source files: foo.cxx: no such file 
or directory
When I tell him the source path with dir <path> everything is 
fine. Is there an option for the gcc (like -qfullpath for the cc) 
? I didnt find anything.

Running the gdb with Xemacs (19.13 or 1914) then
-when  setting a breakpoint, it isn't marked in the source code 
window.
-the toolbar of the debugger appears only in black and white.

Im using gdb 4.16, gcc-2-7-1 on a PowerPC with AIX 4.1.

Any ideas? Thanx in advance.

	Andreas

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I note that when checking in a file from XEmacs when the sccs-admin -fv
option is set on the file, that is sccs asks for an MR reference when
you check in a file, the comments buffer makes no recall to the prompt
'MRs' that would be supplied if you used the command 'sccs delget
file.name'.
	Is there a fix for this or must I check in all files via the cmnd line?

OS : Solaris 1 & 2
Machine : SPARC
XEmacs : V 19.13

Ian Bone: isbone@dra.hmg.gb


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From: Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com>
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Subject: I'd like to keep bash interpretation of arrow keys ...
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Hi,

I use bash as my shell program and like the behaviour of the arrow
keys. I can edit and retreive previous commands.
Unfortunately, when I start bash as shell in emacs the arrows keys
are just arrow keys. Is there anyway I can keep the same behaviour?

Thanks,
Chabane

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From: Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com>
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Hi,

I am looking for CORBA "IDL-mode" like "C++-mode" for xemacs?
Send me an e-mail if you happen to have one. A reply to this newsgroup
might be beneficial to other users.

Thanks,
Chabane

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Hi There:
 
   I am currently using the xemacs widget as a widget inside of a motif
interface.  I have been able to get the widget displayed in the
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and I can give the widget focus by using control-tab.  However, I cannot
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Hi,

** Code below works-around many "unprintable" errors when printing
** variable values.

I recently wrote to Randal Schwartz with the below.  Randal is the
original author of "pp.el".  He responded that he no longer maintains
the code and that I should forwarding this to FSF.  As I use 
19.14 XEmacs Lucid, I thought I'd send it here first and see if anyone
might help me identify who should get this.

thanks,
ggrimes@nortel.ca

#---------------------------------------------------------------------


Randal,

I noticed that you authored pp.el.
Below is some code I wrote to print otherwise unprintable objects.
With the introduction of extents in such things as `modeline-format',
many objects become unprintable.

Try "^H-v modeline-format",
You get and error:  "printing unreadable object "<extent..."

The workhorse is `cleanprint', below.  The routine `fix-printing' just
remaps the standard printing routines to `orig-<NAME>'.  The new
routines trap errors and, optionally, use `cleanprint' when an error
occurs.

Unfortunately, I get strange behaviour occasionally after I 
"fix-printing" and then use Hyper-Apropos, which uses `pp' instead
of the standard routines.  Dunno about this one.

Anyway, thought you might be interested in this.

gordon grimes
ggrimes@nortel.ca

;;--------------------------------------------------------------------

(defvar use-cleanprint t "*If non-nil, use `cleanprint' for printing after
`fix-printing' has been called.  `cleanprint' attempts to print unprintable
values.  [dgg] ")

;;;###autoload
(defun fix-printing (arg)  

"Redefine princ, prin1, print and prin1-to-string so \"unprintable\"
values are parsed more completely rather than throwing an exception.
The value of the variable `use-cleanprint' (which see) determines
whether or not parsing occurs.  If `t', the function `cleanprint' is
used to parse the value.  If `nil', the string \"(unprintable)\" is
returned.  With ARG, restore printing functions to the original. [dgg]"


  (interactive "P")

  ; ggrimes; Wed Jun 26 13:48:08 1996
  ;	override 'prin1-to-string'
  (if (fboundp 'orig-prin1-to-string)

      ;; restore if requested to
      (if arg
	  (progn
	    (define-function 'prin1-to-string 
	      (symbol-function 'orig-prin1-to-string))
	    )
	)

    ;; else, create new function called "orig"
    (make-symbol "orig-prin1-to-string")
    (define-function 'orig-prin1-to-string (symbol-function 'prin1-to-strin
(fmakunbound 'prin1-to-string)
    )

  ;; override prin1-to-string 

  (if (not arg)

      (defun prin1-to-string (arg &optional noescape) 
	"Override the defualt prin1-to-string so printing unreadable objects is
cleaner. [dgg]  (The original prin1-to-string is in the symbol 
'orig-prin1-to-string', which see.)"
	(condition-case errval
	    (orig-prin1-to-string arg noescape)
	  (error;; catch any errors
	   ;; if this isn't a printing error, raise it to calling function
	   (if (not (string-match "^printing unreadable" (cadr errval))) 
	       (signal (car errval) (cdr errval))
	     ;; else, just print "unprintable"
	     (if use-cleanprint
		 (orig-prin1-to-string (cleanprint arg) noescape)
	       (orig-prin1-to-string '(unprintable) noescape)
	       );; if
	     )
	   )
	  )
	)
    );; if not arg



  ; ggrimes; Wed Jun 26 13:48:08 1996
  ;	override 'princ'
  (if (fboundp 'orig-princ)
      ;; restore if requested to
      (if arg
	  (progn
	    (define-function 'princ
	      (symbol-function 'orig-princ))
	    )
	)

    ;; else, create new function called "orig"

    (make-symbol "orig-princ")
    (define-function 'orig-princ (symbol-function 'princ))
    (fmakunbound 'princ)
    );; if

  ;; override princ
  
  (if (not arg)
      (defun princ (arg &optional stream) 
	"Override the defualt princ so printing unreadable objects is
cleaner. [dgg]  (The original princ is in the symbol 'orig-princ', which se
(condition-case errval
	    (orig-princ arg stream)
	  (error;; catch any errors
	   ;; if this isn't a printing error, raise it to calling function
	   (if (not (string-match "^printing unreadable" (cadr errval)))
	       (signal (car errval) (cdr errval))
	     ;; else, just print "unprintable"
	     (if use-cleanprint
		 (orig-princ (cleanprint arg) stream)
	       (orig-princ '(unprintable) stream)
	       );; if
	     )
	   )
	  )
	)
    );; if not arg



  ; ggrimes; Wed Jun 26 13:48:08 1996
  ;	override 'print'
  (if (fboundp 'orig-print)
      ;; restore if requested to
      (if arg
	  (progn
	    (define-function 'print
	      (symbol-function 'orig-print))
	    )
	)

    ;; else, create new function called "orig"

    (make-symbol "orig-print")
    (define-function 'orig-print (symbol-function 'print))
    (fmakunbound 'print)
    )

  (if (not arg)

      ;; override print
      (defun print (arg &optional stream) 
	"Override the defualt print so printing unreadable objects is
cleaner. [dgg]  (The original print is in the symbol 'orig-print', which se8@'0
(condition-case errval
	    (orig-print arg stream)
	  (error;; catch any errors
	   ;; if this isn't a printing error, raise it to calling function
	   (if (not (string-match "^printing unreadable" (cadr errval)))
	       (signal (car errval) (cdr errval))
	     ;; else, just print "unprintable"
	     (if use-cleanprint
		 (orig-print (cleanprint arg) stream)
	       (orig-print '(unprintable) stream)
	       );; if
	     )
	   )
	  )
	)
    );; if not arg



  ; ggrimes; Wed Jun 26 13:48:08 1996
  ;	override 'prin1'
  (if (fboundp 'orig-prin1)
      ;; restore if requested to
      (if arg
	  (progn
	    (define-function 'prin1
	      (symbol-function 'orig-prin1))
	    )
	)

    ;; else, create new function called "orig"

    (make-symbol "orig-prin1")
    (define-function 'orig-prin1 (symbol-function 'prin1))
    (fmakunbound 'prin1)
    )

  (if (not arg)
      ;; override prin1
      (defun prin1 (arg &optional stream) 
	"Override the defualt prin1 so printing unreadable objects is
cleaner. [dgg]  (The original prin1 is in the symbol 'orig-prin1', which se
(condition-case errval
	    (orig-prin1 arg stream)
	  (error;; catch any errors
	   ;; if this isn't a printing error, raise it to calling function
	   (if (not (string-match "^printing unreadable" (cadr errval)))
	       (signal (car errval) (cdr errval))
	     ;; else, just print "unprintable"

	     (if use-cleanprint
		 (orig-prin1 (cleanprint arg) stream)
	       (orig-prin1 '(unprintable) stream)
	       );; if

	     )
	   )
	  )
	)
    );; if not arg

  );; defun fix-printing


    

(defmacro appendstr (s2)
  (list 'setq 'outstring (list 'concat 'outstring s2)))

;;;###autoload
(defun cleanprint (arg)
  "Return a string representing the value of ARG.  This routine
parses ARG itself, avoiding \"unprintable\" errors.  Where possible
complete infomation on ARG (or one of its components) is given.  
Where not possible, the type of ARG (or one of its components) is
the only output.  [dgg]"

  (let ((outstring)
	);; bindings


    ;; Determine the type of ARG, concating results in 'outstring' via
    ;; the macro `appendstr'.  There is some order dependence - complex
    ;; types (e.g. frame-configurations) are sometimes composed of 
    ;; more primative types (e.g. lists).  Correct behaviour requires
    ;; that the more complex types be verified first.

    (cond 

     ;; window configuration -------------------------------------------
     ((frame-configuration-p arg)
      (appendstr "{FRAME_CONFIGURATION: ??? }")
      )


     ;; window configuration -------------------------------------------
     ((bufferp arg)
      (appendstr (format "{BUFFER: Name: %s??? }" (buffer-name arg)))
      )

     ;; window configuration -------------------------------------------
     ((windowp arg)
      (appendstr (format "{WINDOW: Buffer: %s}" 
			 (buffer-name (window-buffer arg)))
		 )
      )


     ;; symbols --------------------------------------------------------

     ((symbolp arg)
      (appendstr (symbol-name arg))
      )

     ;; specifiers -----------------------------------------------------

     ((specifierp arg)
      (appendstr (format "{ SPECIFIER: %s: %s}" (specifier-type arg)
(specifier-fallback arg) ))
      )
     ;; strings --------------------------------------------------------

     ((stringp arg)
      (appendstr (format "\"%s\"" arg) )
      )
     ;; lists ----------------------------------------------------------
     ((listp arg)

      (appendstr "(")
      (while arg 

	(if (listp (cdr arg))  
	  
	    ;; this is a real list (cdr is also a list)
	    (progn

	      (appendstr (format "%s%s" (cleanprint (car arg))
				 (if (cdr arg) " " "");; no space at end
				 );; format
			 );; appendstr

	      ;; process next element of list
	      (setq arg (cdr arg))
	      )

	  ;; else, if cdr is not a list, this is a cons cell

	  (appendstr (format "%s . " (cleanprint (car arg))))
	  (appendstr (format "%s" (cleanprint (cdr arg))))
	  (setq arg nil)
	  );; if

	);; while
      (appendstr ")")
      );; listp

     ;; sequences ------------------------------------------------------
     ((sequencep arg)
      (let ((max (length arg))
	    (i 0)
	    )
	(appendstr "[")
	(while (< i max)
	  (appendstr (format "%s " (cleanprint (elt arg i))))
	  (setq i (1+ i))
	  )
	(appendstr "]")
	)
      )

     ;; Frame ----------------------------------------------------------
     ((framep arg)
      (appendstr (format "{FRAME: %s }" (frame-name arg) ))
      )

     ((keymapp arg)
      (appendstr (format "{KEYMAP: Name: %s, Bind Cnt: %d} " 
			 (keymap-name arg)
			 (keymap-fullness arg)
			 ))
      )

     ;;*****************************************************************

     ;; keyboard Event -------------------------------------------------
     ((key-press-event-p arg)
      (appendstr (format "{KEYPRESS_EVENT: %s }"
			 (text-char-description (event-to-character arg))))

      )


     ;; Menu Event ----------------------------------------------------
     ((motion-event-p arg)
      (appendstr "{MOTION_EVENT}" )
      )

     ;; Mouse Event ----------------------------------------------------
     ((mouse-event-p arg)
      (appendstr (format "{MOUSE_EVENT: Button: %d }"
			 (event-button arg)
			 ))
      )
     ;; Misc Event ----------------------------------------------------
     ((misc-user-event-p arg)
      (appendstr "{MISC_EVENT}" )
      )

     ;; Event ----------------------------------------------------------
     ((eventp arg)
      (appendstr "{EVENT: ??? }")
      )

     ;; Extent ----------------------------------------------------
     ((extentp arg)
      (appendstr (format "{EXTENT: %s }" 
			 (cleanprint (extent-properties arg))))
      )

     ;; window configuration -------------------------------------------
     ((window-configuration-p arg)
      (appendstr  "{WINDOW CONFIGURATION: ??? }")
      )

     ;; default --------------------------------------------------------
     (t (appendstr (orig-prin1-to-string arg))
	)

     );; cond

    outstring
    );; let
  
  );; defun
-- 

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Hi,

I was wondering if somebody wrote a function that alows me to do the
following: each of the messages I marked it will check in the
vm-auto-folder-alist and get the right folder. Then pop up a window
and ask if that is the right folder. Preferbly this window has an
option for yes (-> save message), no (-> ask for folder), cancel (->
go to next message) and all (-> save all messages in this folder).

Does anybody have such a beast, or give some hints on how to write it?

Rob

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Chabane Rezzik (chabane@objectime.com) wrote:
: Hi,

: I use bash as my shell program and like the behaviour of the arrow
: keys. I can edit and retreive previous commands.
: Unfortunately, when I start bash as shell in emacs the arrows keys
: are just arrow keys. Is there anyway I can keep the same behaviour?
Good question -- ditto for "gdb-mode"
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I am new to XEmacs and would like to customize emacs to do syntax 
highliting on both c and c++ comments. I don't know how to set both of 
them to the same color.  How can I set both c (/*..*/)and c++ ( // ) 
comment indicators to the same color in the emacs editor ?

Thanks in Advance.

Lance Mumpower	lem@soft.eng.gilbarco.com

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> I read a web page by someone at MIT about some features that need to
> be added to the Java VM to make it a reasonable target for compiling
> Lisp-like languages (e.g. Lisp, Dylan, Scheme, Smalltalk); sorry, I
> don't have the URL handy.  The main thing is decent support for
> immediate numeric and character datatypes, because unboxing and boxing
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> arithmetic operations).

Olin Shivers. 

Here is his home page: http://clark.lcs.mit.edu/~shivers/home.html

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From: Hung Bui <hvb@netrix.com>
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Subject: HELP - gdbsrc & xemacs 19.14 - "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer" error?
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Dear all,

I have been using gdbsrc under xemacs 19.13.  I really like it.

I recently downloaded 19.14 and found that gdbsrc somehow gives me the
error message:

Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer

when I first run gdbsrc in the xemacs session for the first time. 
Subsequent run of gdbsrc in the same emacs session is ok.

It looks like the gdbsrc-global-mode is called before the gdb-set-buffer
function is called.

I do not know why this was not a problem when I ran under xemacs 19.13.

There is a 
(defadvise gdb-set-buffer ... )

in gdbsrc. I could not find what "defadvise" is in any xemacs
documentation either.  Note gdbsrc been changed between xemacs-19.13 and
xemacs-19.14, but I could not find the changes would affect what I
observed.  I can be very wrong.

Thanks for your help in advance.

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Dear all,

What is "defadvise"?

I could not find its description in the xemacs info pages?

Thanks in advance

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>>>>> "BM" == Barry Margolin <barmar@tools.bbnplanet.com> writes:

    BM> The current situation with proprietary software is like that
    BM> -- maintenance can only be obtained from the vendor, and
    BM> perhaps a limited number of licensed resellers.

And even then, only if you're lucky, or a big enough customer, or are
one of the teeming millions who complain about the same problem.

-Barry (the other one)

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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:

> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>> [emailed and posted]
>> >>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

>>> * Why does the cited message get highlighted in the Message
>>> buffer when posting a reply?  Other than cancel the highlight
>>> and start editing the message, what else might someone do in
>>> this circumstance?

>> That's a consequence of the standards for the Emacs mail subsystems,
>> and the fact you have zmacs regions enabled.  If you do not like this
>> behavior you may turn it off by an appropriate setting of
>> message-xmas-dont-activate-region:

>> message-xmas-dont-activate-region's value is t
>> -- a variable declared in Lisp.

>> Documentation:
>> If t, don't activate region after yanking.

> But why is the variable t by default?  It seems that the first thing one
> would do is to unactivate the region.  What use is there to activating the
> region in the first place?  Filling text? -- that has other problems.

And why is this variable not considered a user-variable (ie. one that can be
set with M-x set-variable)?
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From: Hung Bui <hvb@netrix.com>
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Subject: HELP: Control-C Control-C does not work in gdb under xemacs-19.14
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Dear all,

The C-c C-c does not weems to work for gdb under xemacs-19.14.

It is mapped to gdb-control-c-subjob which uses the
"process-send-string" primitive. I notice comint uses
"interrupt-process" and seems to work.

Does anybody have a fix for gdb?

Thanks in advance
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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
To: Daniel Zen <DanielZ@MaMaMedia.com>
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Use 4NT instead, it works just fine!

Daniel Zen writes:
 > I originally tried to use 4DOS as my shell, but consistently got an Abort
 > Retry Fail message in the shell buffer. So, I gave up and went on to use
 > COMMAND.COM. Has anyone had any success with 4DOS??
 > 
 > Daniel Zen			  MaMaMedia Digital Entertainment 

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From: Vivek Rao <vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Fortran 90 mode upcasing of keywords
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I like the XEmacs Fortran 90 mode 
feature that upcases keywords, but it is not working
consistently for me. I am using version 1.05 . In the following
code, using upcase on the following region does NOT 
change keywords such as real and integer to upper case. 
In other programs, these keywords HAVE been recognized 
and capitalized, so there seems to be a problem specific
to the following code. Any idea why upcase is not working 
here?

       real thresh,zero
       parameter(thresh=1000.0,zero=0.0e0)
       real chcr,dhcr,gaaiid,dhdr,gaarrd,reps,themin,xxi,xxr 
       real trbef,traft,vol(n1p*n2p*n3p) 
       integer kj,mtxdj,mxcgsb,nbandi,l,mtxdk,mxddim,nbndi,i,j,mtxd,
     1 mtxdl,nbndum,isubi,k,mtxdi,mtxdv,nfd,idiag 
*       real d1(1),d2(1),d3(1),ei(1),ekn(1),zr(1),zi(1),
      real d1(1),d2(1),d3(1),ei(nbandi),ekn(1),zr(1),zi(1),
     + hzr(1),hzi(1),
     1 wrk11(1),wrk13(1),wrk14(1),wrk15(1),
     2 wrk21(1),wrk22(1),wrk23(1),wrk24(1),wrk25(1),
     3 qdr(1),qdi(1),tvecr(1),tveci(1),
*     4 dr(1),di(1),hdr(1),hdi(1),eps(1),v(mxddim)
     4 dr(1),di(1),hdr(1),hdi(1),eps(nbandi),v(mxddim)
       integer n1,n2,n3,n1p,n2p,n3p,iwrk31(1),iwrk32(1),notzero 
       real zdr((nbandi*(nbandi+1))/2),zdi((nbandi*(nbandi+1))/2)

______________________________________
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Univ. of Illinois, Physics Department
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Help

I have just installed  Xemacs on our RS/6000 but I am having a problem
printing. "Print-buffer" only prints a header page and stops. When I use
pretty print I get the buffer printed with a header page.

How can I get it to print in both cases and also print without the
header pages. 

Ihave tried to change the lpr-switches, but I still get "nil" values
with eval for lpr-switches. Maybe I am doing this wrong.

HELP!!!



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Could someone help me on how to set up Supercite. 
I am using Xemacs 19.14 with VM 5.96.

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan
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Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com> writes:

    >>  Hi,
    >> 
    >> I use bash as my shell program and like the behaviour of the
    >> arrow keys. I can edit and retreive previous commands.
    >> Unfortunately, when I start bash as shell in emacs the arrows
    >> keys are just arrow keys. Is there anyway I can keep the same
    >> behaviour?

Try this:

	M-x local-set-key

then, on the prompt, just press the up arrow.

It will now tell you that you want to change the binding for the "up"
key.  As it asks you for the command you want to bind the key to, you
enter something like "comint-previous-matching-input-from-input"
(which is mapped to M-p or ESC-p).  However, you will notice that this
key is currently mapped to C-up, which is not too bad.  Just hold down
the control key while "navigating" you history buffer.

The important thing is to make your new keybinding local to this
mode. You do not want them to be global.  Here is an example of how I
changed the default compiler for the compilation mode, to use the
javac compiler instead of the default "make -k"


;;; Give the mode the apporopriate compiler
;;;
(setq java-mode-hook
      '(lambda() 
	 (make-local-variable 'compile-command)
	 (setq compile-command
	       (concat "javac "
		       buffer-file-name))))


good luck

	nicolai

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I can't get this to work. My window manager doesn't override this
keystroke. In fact \C-right works in emacs. When I press C-right the
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When I am editing buffer to post news.. auto wrapping is not done.. 
I guess there is some news hook to do this.. Auto wrapping is 
automatically done when I sned mail .. etc
Please let me know what I should add to .emacs to get this done..

Thanks in advance
- Sobhan
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From: urs@cs.ucsb.edu (Urs Hoelzle)
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Subject: 19.14: filename completion broken?
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In 19.14 (SPARC Solaris 2.5) filename completion with the TAB key
doesn't always work.  Sometimes, TAB just inserts a few spaces rather
than completing the file name.  Deleting these spaces and pressing TAB
again works.

The one reproducible case I have involves an NFS-automounted directory
(lets call it /fs/foo) with two files README and ReleaseNotes.
A find-file of /fs/foo/R followed by TAB (almost) always breaks
(i.e. inserts spaces rather than showing the two files in a completion
buffer).  Sometimes it does work, though, so I suspect some
timing-dependent behavior.

Has anyone else seen this problem too?

-Urs

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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: In article <4u3sv6$rhe@news.liberty.com> johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam) writes:

: > java is a compiled language which means it loses many of the benefits of 
: > error checking/handling/recovery
: Excuse me, but this is a piece of crapola. Compilation doesn't have direct
: relation to these things. Now, traditionally compiled languages have had
: stronger type systems than interpreted languages, but this speaks in the
: opposite direction. Some people complain that the type system of eg C++ is
: too inflexible (especially for prototyping), but not that it's too weak!
: On the otehr hand, some compiled languages tend to compile away the type
: info, so it's not present at runtime. But this is only done for type info
: that's not needed since every operation is already checked.

type checking isn't at all what i meant.  what i mean is what happens 
when your routines fail?  say you try to write some bits to the disk and 
it happens to be full.  sure you can see if the write worked (in C you 
can check the return value), but almost no one does.  to write C code 
(which i am familiar with), which is bulletproof is tedious and time 
consuming.  when was the last time you checked the return value from your 
printf?  and what about array bounds checking, NULL pointers &c during 
runtime?  interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.  
unfortunately they do lack some speed.  since i am fairly happy with the 
performance of emacs lisp, i see no reason to change.

: > and garbage collection
: Nor is there a direct connection between compilation and GC. There are GCs
: for C available.

give me a break.  use of malloc and free cannot possibly be considered good 
garbage collection.  C++ with its automatic constructors and destructors 
are a feeble attempt at some sanity.  unfortunately they are usually 
based on, yep, you guessed it, malloc and free.  rolling your own memory 
management in a compiled environment often leads to leaks.

: > the byte-compile is not really compiled per se - i'd call it
: > `pre-digested' by the parser
: And what exactly is the difference in status between the Java bytecode and
: the ELisp bytecode? I'm not sure, but I can imagine there's quite a lot of
: C support for elisp bytecode, which can be likened to the Java VM.

lisp is object oriented.  it has garbage collection.  and a version of 
emacs exists on virtually every machine of consequense.  you can byte 
compile it for speed.  therefore, we already have a portable, object 
oriented language.  adding better support for networks and graphics can 
always be added to the lisp engine allowing for unlimited upgrade.  as 
far as i can tell, this is the case.

--
johan kullstam
kullstam@cqt.com

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Subject: can XEmacs use private color space?
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Hi,
I'm using XEmacs 19.13, HPUX 9.05.
I want it to load using private color space. Is there such an Xemacs option,
or can I trick it to load private colors by using some invocation envelope?

-- 
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From: Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>
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Subject: Re: HELP - what is defadvise?
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Hung Bui <hvb@netrix.com> writes:

> What is "defadvise"?
> 
> I could not find its description in the xemacs info pages?

There is a lot of information in the initial comments of the source file - 
lisp/utils/advice.el.

As to what it is, I quote the file itself:

;; @ Introduction:
;; ===============
;; This package implements a full-fledged Lisp-style advice mechanism
;; for Emacs Lisp. Advice is a clean and efficient way to modify the 
;; behavior of Emacs Lisp functions without having to keep  personal
;; modified copies of such functions around. A great number of such 
;; modifications can be achieved by treating the original function as a 
;; black box and specifying a different execution environment for it 
;; with a piece of advice. Think of a piece of advice as a kind of fancy
;; hook that you can attach to any function/macro/subr.


--- alastair

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Speed problem with AucTeX
Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:53:56 +0200
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Hi!
I frequently use AucTeX 9.5a in XEmacs 19.14. Everything works fine except
for one annoying behaviour: AucTeX loads style files extremely slow!

I think I have tracked down the problem to the ange-ftp package (If I use
ange-ftp it is slow, and if I not load ange-ftp the loading is significantl=
y
faster).

The relevant code in AucTeX is (from 'tex.el'):

(defun TeX-load-style-file (file)
  ;; Load FILE checking for a lisp extensions.
  (let ((el (concat file ".el"))
=09(elc (concat file ".elc")))
    (cond ((and (null TeX-byte-compile)
=09=09(file-readable-p el))
=09   (load-file el))
=09  ((file-newer-than-file-p el elc)
=09   (if (not (file-writable-p elc))
=09       (load-file el)
=09     (byte-compile-file el)
=09     (load-file elc)))
=09  ((file-readable-p elc)
=09   (load-file elc))
=09  ((file-readable-p el)
=09   (load-file el)))))

I think that many of the file-* functions are modified in ange-ftp. Could
this be the problem?

/Anders

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From: Vit Rudovich <rvb@reksoft.ru>
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Hello All People of Good Will,

Is it possible:
1. to mark a rectangular block 
2. to move a whole marked block
using keyb. and/or mouse in xemacs 19.14 ??

I would appreciate your help (maybe by e-mail).
I use SPARCstation 5 with Solaris 2.4.

Thanks in advance.


-- 
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Please Help!

How to bind \"a \"o etc. strings to german a-,o,udiaresis keys?
xemacs ignores 
  (fset 'ue "\\\"u" )
  (global-set-key 'udiaresis 'ue)

How to do this?

Urgent!

A.Debus


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Please Help!

How to bind \"a \"o etc. strings to german a-,o,udiaresis keys?
xemacs ignores
  (fset 'ue "\\\"u" )
  (global-set-key 'udiaresis 'ue)

How to do this?

Urgent!

A.Debus


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Subject: Internal error whith corrupted .emacs

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Tue Jun 25 1996 on chaos

Output from C-h l:

End of stream: #<INTERNAL EMACS BUG (filedesc lstream) 0x3d0300>
Loading ange-ftp...done
Loading dired-xemacs-menu...done
Loading dired-xemacs-menu...
Loading ange-ftp...
Loading cl-extra...done
Loading cl-extra...


The .emacs file is this:

;;; a bug or not a bug...

(load-library "ange-ftp") ; This works
(load-library "ange-ftp ; This doesn't

;;; is it a question?

Regards
	Frank
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Thomas Feuster wrote:
> The next lines are just snipped out of my own 'view-graph-mode' that
> allows seeing the source and the glyph in two windows. Then you can edit
> the source and recreate the glyph on the fly. If your interested I could
> easly post the whole code (might be a useful idea anyway since there are
> probably a lot of people out there that could improve on it...)

OK, here is the whole stuff to edit graphic-files
(probably .xpm, I wouldn't want to edit a .jpeg!):

===========================================================================
;; view-graph-mode.el

;; VIEW-GRAPH Mode -- viewing graphic files as glyphs
;; Alpha test version.
;; Copyright (c) 1996 Thomas Feuster  (feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de)

;; VIEW-GRAPH Mode is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; VIEW-GRAPH Mode is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;;;; **********************
;;;; USE OF VIEW-GRAPH MODE
;;;; **********************
;;
;; loads files as glyphs and as source
;; lets you edit the source and redisplay the result at once
;; recognizes .bmp .gif .xpm .jpg .jpeg files
;; when killing the file buffer the image is removed as well
;;
;; Todo: 
;;
;; Can't XEmacs guess the file-format from the contens of a buffer
;; just like it does for a file? There must be some way?!
;;
;; !!!!!!!!!
;; Attention
;; !!!!!!!!!
;; This code needs to be recompiled before use!
;; (Because I didn't come up with a clever way to load
;; view-graph-error-glyph-file during run-time...)
;; !!!!!!!!!
;; Attention
;; !!!!!!!!!
;;

;;;; *********************
;;;; VIEW-GRAPH major mode
;;;; *********************

(require 'annotations)

(defvar view-graph-mode nil)

(defvar view-graph-max-lines 20
  "Max height for image-buffer.")

(defconst view-graph-format-alist (mapcar 'purecopy
  '((".bmp" . bmp)
    (".gif" . gif)
    (".xpm" . xpm)
    (".jpg" . jpeg)
    (".jpeg" . jpeg))))

(defvar view-graph-map (copy-keymap global-map)
  "Keymap used in view-graph-mode.")

(define-key view-graph-map [(control c) (control r)] 'view-graph-show-image)

(defvar view-graph-file-buf nil
  "Name of the file buffer.")

(defvar view-graph-file-format nil
  "Graphical format of file.")

(defvar view-graph-image-buf nil
  "Name of the corresponding image buffer.")

(defvar view-graph-annotation nil
  "Annotation of the image.")

;; room for improvement, should run without recompilation
(defconst view-graph-error-glyph-file 
  (eval-when-compile (expand-file-name "./error.xpm"))
  "Error glyph.")

(defvar view-graph-error-glyph (make-glyph-internal)
  "Error glyph.")
(set-glyph-property view-graph-error-glyph 'image view-graph-error-glyph-file)


(defun view-graph-show-image ()
  "Show image of current buffer in seperate frame.
Create if not already exist. Split to minimum size and show 
image & source at the same time.
Useful for editing images."
  (interactive)
  (if view-graph-mode
      ;; is this view-graph-mode ?
      (let ((new-image (eq view-graph-image-buf nil))
	    (image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
	;; create buffer if not already there
	(save-excursion
	  (if new-image
	      (progn
		(setq view-graph-image-buf
		     (generate-new-buffer-name 
		      (concat "Graphics: " 
			      (buffer-name ()))))
		(let ((file-buf view-graph-file-buf)
		      (file-format view-graph-file-format)
		      (image-buf view-graph-image-buf))
		      ;; make window
		      (split-window-vertically)
		      (switch-to-buffer view-graph-image-buf)
		      ;; set major-mode
		      (setq major-mode 'view-graph-mode)
		      (setq mode-name "VIEW-GRAPH Graphics")
		      (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-mode) t)
		      (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-file-buf) 
			   file-buf)
		      (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-file-format)
			   file-format)
		      (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-image-buf) 
			   image-buf))
		;; set image from file
		(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))
	    ;; set image from buffer (you need the format!!!!!!!)
	    (setq image-glyph (make-glyph 
			       (vector view-graph-file-format :data 
				       (buffer-substring 
					(point-min) 
					(point-max)))))
	    (switch-to-buffer-other-window view-graph-image-buf)
	    (if (annotationp view-graph-annotation)
		(delete-annotation view-graph-annotation)))
	  ;; check if glyph is valid (height>0)
	  (if (eq (glyph-height image-glyph) 0)
	      (progn
		(set-glyph-image image-glyph 
				 (glyph-image view-graph-error-glyph))
		(message "Error displaying glyph.")))
	  ;;display the glyph as annotation
	  (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-annotation)
	       (make-annotation image-glyph nil 'text))
	  ;; calculated the lines needed to display the glyph
	  ;; for this we need to know the # of pixels-per-line
	  (let* ((window-lines (window-height))
		 (glyph-lines
		  (min 
		   (+ 2 
		      (/ (glyph-height image-glyph)
			 (/ (window-pixel-height) window-lines)))
		   view-graph-max-lines)))
	    (if (< window-lines glyph-lines)
		(shrink-window (- window-lines glyph-lines))
	      (enlarge-window (- glyph-lines window-lines ))))
	  ;; make buffer read-only
	  ;; this is not a very clever way, 
	  ;; but maybe one could improve on it
	  (if (and new-image
		   (eq (buffer-name ()) view-graph-image-buf))
	      (toggle-read-only))
	  (backward-other-window 1)))))

(defun view-graph-remove-image ()
  "When buffer is killed, remove the corresponding image buffer."
  (interactive "")
  (if view-graph-mode
      ;; is this view-graph-mode?
      (condition-case nil
	  (progn 
	    (save-excursion
	      (kill-buffer view-graph-image-buf)
	      (setq view-graph-image-buf nil)
	      (delete-window)
	      (garbage-collect)))
	(error))))

(defun view-graph-mode ()
  "Major mode for viewing graphic files as glyphs.
Author: feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de
Version: 0.001 (alpha)  Date: 01 Jul 1996
Comments, suggestions, bug reports, etc. are welcome.

Automatecilly sets up a second buffer that contains the glyph
(or a default error-glyph) corresponding to the file we're loading.
Adds an entry (C-c C-r) in the keymap to easily redisplay the buffer
after edditing.
When killing the file-buffer the glyph is removed as well."
  (interactive)
  (setq major-mode 'view-graph-mode)
  (setq mode-name "VIEW-GRAPH")
  (use-local-map view-graph-map)
  (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-mode) t)
  (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-file-buf) 
	buffer-file-truename)
  ;; goodness, is there no easy way to figure out the file-format
  ;; then checking the extension against my own list???
  (let ((temp-name (replace-in-string 
		    view-graph-file-buf
		    (file-name-sans-extension view-graph-file-buf) "" t)))
    (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-file-format)
	 (cdr (assoc temp-name
		     view-graph-format-alist))))
  (set (make-local-variable 'view-graph-image-buf) nil)
  (view-graph-show-image))

(add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'view-graph-remove-image)
==========================================================================

Feel free to modify it, but please let me know of any improvements!

Bye,
Thomas
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Since I changed to XEmacs-19.14, ispell-complete-word doesn't work
anymoure. I just get a beep and a 
"Searching for program: no such file or directory, look".

I guess I should change the variable "ispell-look-command", but to what? 

Anyone?

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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

    kendall> I can't get this to work. My window manager doesn't
    kendall> override this keystroke. In fact \C-right works in
    kendall> emacs. When I press C-right the cursor blinks and that is
    kendall> all. What can I do?

Check your window manager's rc file and see whether some keybindings
are conflicting with your emacs...

	Nicolai

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From: tmn@iis.fhg.de
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Date: 13 Aug 1996 09:38:46 +0200
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Andreas Mirwald <101640.2031@CompuServe.COM> writes:

> -the debugger cant find the source files: foo.cxx: no such file 
> or directory
> When I tell him the source path with dir <path> everything is 
> fine. Is there an option for the gcc (like -qfullpath for the cc) 
> ? I didnt find anything.
> 
> Running the gdb with Xemacs (19.13 or 1914) then
> -when  setting a breakpoint, it isn't marked in the source code 
> window.
> -the toolbar of the debugger appears only in black and white.
did you try  this?:
M-x gdbsrc <name-of-exe-file-with-full-path>
or 
M-x gdb <name-of-exe-file-with-full-path>
or
M-x gud <name-of-exe-file-with-full-path>
bodo
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cjwoods@GIGOTech.NET (Chris Woods) writes:

   Michael Roesler writes:
    > When I am running Xemacs 19.14 and and I start Netscape 1.12 (either from
    > within Xemacs or externally) my workstation crashes. I am running a
    > sparc 20 with Sun OS 4.1.3.
    > 
    > Does anyone have any ideas why my system is crashing?

   Have you applied the OpenWindows jumbo patch? I forgot the Patch ID,
   but I was having problems with Netscape (any version) crashing me
   right out of X. There was a note in the README that comes with
   Netscape about this. I installed all relevant patches and the problem
   went away.


I have applied the OpenWindows 3.0 Server Patch 3000-124 and all works 
well now (SunOS4.1.3_U1 and 4.1.4). The patch ID is 100444-76. This is
not the jumbo patch, tho'.

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Hung Bui <hvb@netrix.com> writes:

> 
> Dear all,
> 
> The C-c C-c does not weems to work for gdb under xemacs-19.14.
> 
> It is mapped to gdb-control-c-subjob which uses the
> "process-send-string" primitive. I notice comint uses
> "interrupt-process" and seems to work.
> 
> Does anybody have a fix for gdb?

I've had the same problem.  Your hint above gives the solution that
works for me:

(define-key gdb-mode-map "\C-c\C-c" 'comint-interrupt-subjob)

Ray

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From: sensei@anglianet.co.uk (Jon McCulloch)
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Hi,

When I try to run xemacs using PC-X, it bombs out with the 
the error:

ld.so.1: xemacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.3: can't open file: 
errno=2
Killed

Any ideas?

Jon


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I would like one too.  But in the mean time, put this in your .emacs
file so .idl files will use the C++ faces.

(setq auto-mode-alist   (append '(("\\.idl$" . c++-mode))
auto-mode-alist))


	Brent Modzelewski
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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: Problem with gnuserv in Xemacs-19.14
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Hi,

I've just compiled Xemacs19.14 on my home computer running linux and I have
a problem with gnuserv. At the end of the .emacs loading, I get the
following message:

Server subprocess exited

and there is no gnuserv process on my machine so I can't do gnuclient or
gnudoit. I have the following in the beginning of my .emacs:

(require 'gnuserv)
(gnuserv-start)

and this work fine on our lab's machines (sparc with SunOS4.1.3). Here is
the script I use to configure Xemacs on my machine:

#! /bin/sh
./configure i586-unknown-linux --with-gcc --with-x \
--cflags='-pipe -O4 -fno-strength-reduce -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2' \
--with-xpm --dynamic --rel-alloc \
--with-menubars=lucid  --with-dialogs=lucid \
--with-sound=native

and the software I have:
Slackware 3.0 ELF kernel 1.2.13,
XFree86 3.1.2D and E,
gcc2.7.0.

Any clue?

Thanks in advance.
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From: Michael Cram <cram@gdc.com>
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Subject: xemacs 19.13 help custom indent c code
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I have xemacs 19.13 and I want to custom indent my c code...
I like the brackets to be below (and in the same column) as the
start of a statement and, the body to be indented.  I have been
able to get a 3 space indent but it indents the brackets also.  

I use this to set the indent:
      (add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (setq c-basic-offset 3)))

Any hints would be appreciated...

Thanks
Mike

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johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam) wrote:
>type checking isn't at all what i meant.  what i mean is what happens 
>when your routines fail?  say you try to write some bits to the disk and 
>it happens to be full.  sure you can see if the write worked (in C you 
>can check the return value), but almost no one does.  to write C code 
>(which i am familiar with), which is bulletproof is tedious and time 
>consuming.  when was the last time you checked the return value from your 
>printf?  and what about array bounds checking, NULL pointers &c during 
>runtime? 

All of these features (or lack therof) in C are annoying, I agree.

> interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.  
>unfortunately they do lack some speed.  since i am fairly happy with the 
>performance of emacs lisp, i see no reason to change.

Sorry, but there is no relationship between compilation and good 
error-handling. You can have a compiled language with good exeption handling 
(C++ has the plumbing for it in theory, although it's actual use is haphazard) 
or an interpereted language that depends entirely on manually verified 
return-values. A good language like elisp or Java has good exeption handling, 
compiled or not.

>: > and garbage collection
>: Nor is there a direct connection between compilation and GC. There are GCs
>: for C available.
>
>give me a break.  use of malloc and free cannot possibly be considered good 
>garbage collection.  C++ with its automatic constructors and destructors 
>are a feeble attempt at some sanity.  unfortunately they are usually 
>based on, yep, you guessed it, malloc and free.  rolling your own memory 
>management in a compiled environment often leads to leaks.

He wasn't talking about the malloc and free that come "out of the box" with 
C. He was talking about add-on third party replacements for malloc and free, 
where malloc allocates from garbage-collected memory and free is just a no-op.
They have to do some fancy scanning of the runtime C stack to find pointers, 
and it has to be conservative (assume a word is a pointer unless proven 
otherwise) because C doesn't include enough runtime type information to be 
perfect (always know when a word is a pointer), but it doesn't leak memory in 
the usual sense of the term. (by the way, Java does contain enough type info 
to be perfect, which is what Microsoft's new GC does.)

>lisp is object oriented.  it has garbage collection.  and a version of 
>emacs exists on virtually every machine of consequense.  you can byte 
>compile it for speed.  therefore, we already have a portable, object 
>oriented language.  adding better support for networks and graphics can 
>always be added to the lisp engine allowing for unlimited upgrade.  as 
>far as i can tell, this is the case.

Emacs was not designed from the ground up with graphics, networking, and other 
such modern frills in mind. Megabytes of elisp code now depend apon 
peculiarities of the existing elisp engine: even if you can keep the new 
features from breaking this legacy code, that code will not suddenly take 
advantage of the new features. You would be left with a patchwork quilt of 
ill-fitting peices and underutilized potential.

Let us keep emacs as it is, extend it as it was meant to be extended, and 
continue to use it for as long as it remains useful. At the same time, we 
should start work on the editor of tomorrow, using fresh ideas tempered with 
the years of experience that have gone into emacs. It will be a long time 
before emacs is truly obsolete, but it will also be a long time before a new 
editor has a fraction of the power of today's emacs: we should start work on 
it as soon as possible, if we hope to eventually have a smooth transition 
between the two, instead of a mad, last-second dash.

If we are to write a new emacs, there is no reason not to write it in Java. It 
has the advantage of broad industry support: it will have a VM on every 
platform soon, and vast libraries of code to leverage off of. We can spend 
less time reinventing the wheel, writing our own libraries and supporting our 
own VM, and spend more time making the editor itself better.

I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a Java version of emacs. 
I will post them shortly. I have also been thinking about a name derived from 
both emacs and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and short, is 
a recognisable name, and is currently my favorite. What do you think?

-Eugene

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From: Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
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Subject: [19.14] BUG: Unterminated String Results in "Internal Emacs Bug"
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If one loads an Emacs Lisp file containing an unterminated string (e.g., "foo),
XEmacs 19.14 produces a warning like the following:

	End of stream: #<INTERNAL EMACS BUG (filedesc lstream) 0x40232580>

Sounds serious :-).  Perhaps a more useful error message would be in order.  I
do not know if the "Internal Emacs Bug" represents anything more serious than a
scanner failure.

Eric.

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Hi all,
In XEmacs-19.13, I used to have fontification in the VM summary depending on the status of the messages. I had in my .vm file the following:

(setq vm-summary-font-lock-keywords
       (list
        '("^->.*$" . vm-summary-current-face)
        '("^\\( *[0-9]+ \\*.*\\)$" . vm-summary-marked-face)
        '("^\\( *[0-9]+  D.*\\)$" . vm-summary-deleted-face)
        '("^\\( *[0-9]+  U.*\\)$" . vm-summary-unread-face)
        '("^\\( *[0-9]+  N.*\\)$" . vm-summary-new-face)
        '("^\\( *[0-9]+   .*\\)$" . vm-summary-seen-face)
        ))
        
Since I moved to XEmacs-19.14, it is broken :-<
The faces are OK (I checked with edit-faces)

I guess the problem comes from the regexp

???

Help !!


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From: Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk>
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I use display-time in XEmacs 19.14 to give me just a time display on
the modeline, no mail reports etc.  I would like to have the time in
24-hour format, rather than 12-hr and am/pm, but I cannot figure out
how to do the customisation.  I looked at the reportmail.el source,
but my elisp is not what it might be, and I cannot get anywhere with
it.

Can anyone assist me?

Pete
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I run 19.14 under xnews and Motif on a Sun, and today, while trying to
modify Motif's behaviour, I discovered that 19.14 seems to hang, when
you restart the window manager.  Well not hang really, just lose the
ability to take keyboard or mouse input itself, but still take input
from gnudoit.  Is this a known bug, or am I being an arse.  I could
find nothing about this in the FAQ or the info, but please direct me
there if it is in there somewhere.

Pete

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From: Phil Bernhard <pbernhar@harris.com>
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Hi There:
 
   I am currently using the xemacs widget as a widget inside of a motif
interface.  I have been able to get the widget displayed in the
interface, and I can give the widget focus by using control-tab.
However, I cannot get it to accept any other input from the keyboard.
Any ideas what the
problem may be?
 
Phil Bernhard
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    "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

    Eugene> I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a
    Eugene> Java version of emacs.  I will post them shortly. I have
    Eugene> also been thinking about a name derived from both emacs
    Eugene> and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and
    Eugene> short, is a recognisable name, and is currently my
    Eugene> favorite. What do you think?

Eva? Eva! Sound's good :-)

Shyamal
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I am currently trying to install xemacs 19.14 on the AIX systems in my 
work place.  For some unknown reasons, xemacs does not install itself to 
/usr/local.  Instead the executable created is found under the source 
directory.  I do not have root but I have write access to /usr/local and 
the directories under it.

I have included a script of the installation process.  Any help is deeply 
appreciated.  Please email me at umfong00@cc.umanitoba.ca since I don't 
read this newsgroup.  Thanks.

Felix

Script command is started on Tue Aug 13 10:59:03 CDT 1996.$ make
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
        rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
        chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
        cd lib-src; make all   CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g ' MAKE='make'
Target "all" is up to date.
        cd lwlib; make all   CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g ' MAKE='make'
Target "all" is up to date.
        cd dynodump; make all   CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g ' MAKE='make'
Target "all" is up to date.
        cd src; make all   CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g ' MAKE='make'
        cd ../lwlib; make 
Target "all" is up to date.
        cc -g    -Wl,-bnso,-bnodelcsect,-bI:/lib/syscalls.exp,-bI:/sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/m/ibmrs6000.inp,-bI:/usr/lpp/X11/bin/smt.exp  -L. -L../lwlib   -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o  callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o c
asetab.o cmdloop.o  cmds.o console.o console-stream.o  data.o database.o  device.o dialog.o dired.o doc.o  doprnt.o dynarr.o  editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o   eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o extents.o  faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o fl
oatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o  frame.o  general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o  hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o  keymap.o  lread.o lstream.o  macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o minibuf.o    objects.o opaque.o  print.o 
process.o profile.o pure.o  rangetab.o realpath.o redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o  scrollbar.o search.o signal.o sound.o  specifier.o  strftime.o  symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o  toolbar.o  console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tt
y.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  undo.o unexaix.o  console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o xselect.o   window.o terminfo.o  lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit
.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm       -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11   -li18n  -lrts -lIM -liconv -lcurses    -ldbm     -lm   
ld: 0711-224 WARNING: Duplicate symbol: .fork
ld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain more information.
        EMACSLOADPATH="/sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
Loading subr...
Loading replace...
Loading version.el...
Loading cl...
Loading cl-defs...
Loading cmdloop...
Loading keymap...
Loading syntax...
Loading device...
Loading console...
Loading obsolete...
Loading specifier...
Loading faces...
Loading glyphs...
Loading objects...
Loading extents...
Loading events...
Loading text-props...
Loading process...
Loading frame...
Loading map-ynp...
Loading simple...
Loading keydefs...
Loading abbrev...
Loading derived...
Loading minibuf...
Loading list-mode...
Loading modeline...
Loading loaddefs...
Loading misc...
Loading profile...
Loading help...
Loading files...
Loading lib-complete...
Loading format...
Loading indent...
Loading isearch-mode...
Loading buffer...
Loading buff-menu...
Loading undo-stack...
Loading window...
Loading paths.el...
Loading startup...
Loading lisp...
Loading page...
Loading register...
Loading iso8859-1...
Loading paragraphs...
Loading lisp-mode...
Loading text-mode...
Loading fill...
Loading cc-mode...
Loading float-sup...
Loading itimer...
Loading toolbar...
Loading scrollbar...
Loading menubar...
Loading dialog...
Loading gui...
Loading mode-motion...
Loading mouse...
Loading x-menubar...
Loading x-faces...
Loading x-iso8859-1...
Loading x-mouse...
Loading x-select...
Loading x-scrollbar...
Loading x-misc...
Loading x-init...
Loading x-toolbar...
Loading tty-init...
Loading vc-hooks...
Loading ediff-hook...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635648 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12621   100968  16%
   float objects:             10      120   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7674   205336  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
   byte-code strings:       1670   105644  17%
   byte-constant vectors:   1670    74648  12%
   interactive strings:      298     5888   1%
   documentation strings:      0        0   0%
   other function strings:  1868    60664  10%
   other vectors:            259     6932   1%
   other strings:            523    21984   3%
   all strings:            12033   399516  63%
   all vectors:             1929    81580  13%

Impurities:
   conses used:                      8690
   conses free:                      5333
   cons storage:                   112420
   symbols used:                     7544
   symbol storage:                 181916
   vectors used:                      651
   vectors total length:            46058
   vector storage:                 189440
   short strings used:               2618
   strings free:                     4352
   short strings total length:      37689
   short string storage:            57344
   string header storage:           83804
   floats used:                         2
   floats free:                         9
   float storage:                    2044
   markers used:                       34
   markers free:                        2
   marker storage:                   2044
   extents used:                       16
   extent storage:                   2048
   symbol value lisp magics used:      23
   symbol value lisp magic storage:  1564
   symbol value varaliases used:       42
   symbol value varalias storage:    1008
   opaque lists used:                   2
   opaque list storage:                48
   opaques used:                        4
   opaque storage:                     96
   color instances used:                1
   color instance storage:             24
   font instances used:                 1
   font instance storage:              36
   range tables used:                   1
   range table storage:                16
   faces used:                         24
   face storage:                     1824
   glyphs used:                        17
   glyph storage:                     680
   specifiers used:                   345
   specifier storage:               19815
   weak lists used:                   345
   weak list storage:                8280
   buffers used:                        6
   buffer storage:                   1656
   extent infos used:                   4
   extent info storage:                80
   consoles used:                       3
   console storage:                   300
   command builders used:               1
   command builder storage:            56
   keymaps used:                      146
   keymap storage:                   6424
   devices used:                        1
   device storage:                    176
   frames used:                         1
   frame storage:                     212
   image instances used:                1
   image instance storage:             64
   windows used:                        2
   window storage:                    688
   lcrecord lists used:                13
   lcrecord list storage:             312
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
Target "all" is up to date.
        cd src; make dump-elcs   CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g ' MAKE='make'
        cd ../lwlib; make 
Target "all" is up to date.
        cc -g    -Wl,-bnso,-bnodelcsect,-bI:/lib/syscalls.exp,-bI:/sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/m/ibmrs6000.inp,-bI:/usr/lpp/X11/bin/smt.exp  -L. -L../lwlib   -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o  callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o c
asetab.o cmdloop.o  cmds.o console.o console-stream.o  data.o database.o  device.o dialog.o dired.o doc.o  doprnt.o dynarr.o  editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o   eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o extents.o  faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o fl
oatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o  frame.o  general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o  hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o  keymap.o  lread.o lstream.o  macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o minibuf.o    objects.o opaque.o  print.o 
process.o profile.o pure.o  rangetab.o realpath.o redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o  scrollbar.o search.o signal.o sound.o  specifier.o  strftime.o  symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o  toolbar.o  console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tt
y.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  undo.o unexaix.o  console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o xselect.o   window.o terminfo.o  lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit
.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXm       -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11   -li18n  -lrts -lIM -liconv -lcurses    -ldbm     -lm   
ld: 0711-224 WARNING: Duplicate symbol: .fork
ld: 0711-345 Use the -bloadmap or -bnoquiet option to obtain more information.
        EMACSLOADPATH="/sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l ../prim/update-elc.el /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/paths.el  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/loadup.el /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/s
ubr.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/cmdloop.elc   /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/utils/text-props.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/gui.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/mouse.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/
src/../lisp/prim/mode-motion.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/keymap.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/syntax.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/minibuf.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/faces.elc  /sy
bdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/objects.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/process.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/keydefs.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/device.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp
/prim/obsolete.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/glyphs.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/extents.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/backquote.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/events.elc /sybdump/tmp/x
emacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/console.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/utils/map-ynp.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/modeline.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/profile.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/l
ist-mode.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/utils/derived.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/cl/cl.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/cl/cl-defs.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/undo-stack.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.1
4/src/../lisp/prim/simple.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/help.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/files.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/utils/lib-complete.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/indent.elc /sy
bdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/frame.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/toolbar.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/format.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/window.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/pr
im/startup.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/lisp.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/page.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/register.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/iso/iso8859-1.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-1
9.14/src/../lisp/prim/paragraphs.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/lisp-mode.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/text-mode.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/fill.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/isear
ch-mode.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/misc.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/cc-mode.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/packages/vc-hooks.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/replace.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemac
s-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/specifier.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/auto-show.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/loaddefs.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/term/tty-init.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/byteco
mp/bytecomp-runtime.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/float-sup.elc   /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/itimer.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/ediff/ediff-hook.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/packages/fontl-hooks
.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/scrollbar.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/buffer.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim/menubar.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/packages/buff-menu.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-1
9.14/src/../lisp/prim/dialog.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/modes/abbrev.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-menubar.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-faces.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-iso8859-1.el
c /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-mouse.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-select.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-scrollbar.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-toolbar.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/
../lisp/x11/x-misc.elc /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/x11/x-init.elc    /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/bytecomp/bytecomp.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/bytecomp/byte-optimize.elc  /sybdump/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/utils/advic
e.elc

Loading ../prim/update-elc.el...
Target ".NO_PARALLEL" is up to date.
$ exit

Script command is complete on Tue Aug 13 11:03:07 CDT 1996.

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Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

> I frequently use AucTeX 9.5a in XEmacs 19.14. Everything works fine except
> for one annoying behaviour: AucTeX loads style files extremely slow!

I have not seen that...

> I think I have tracked down the problem to the ange-ftp package (If I use
> ange-ftp it is slow, and if I not load ange-ftp the loading is significantly
> faster).
> 
> I think that many of the file-* functions are modified in ange-ftp. Could
> this be the problem?

A comment at the top of ange-ftp.el says which functions are replaced.

This was necessary because Emacs 18.x and early X/Lucid-Emacsen didn't have
the right hooks to do it properly. Emacs 19.x and modern XEmacs have
these hooks. The ange-ftp.el of Emacs 19.x has been upgraded to use them
but the version that come with XEmacs doesn't. You might try using
'efs.el' which is ange-ftp's sucesssor (by the same author).

It is is easy to install. I just had to change the few ange-ftp-*
configuration variables had to efs-*

Jan


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From: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

> If we are to write a new emacs, there is no reason not to write it in
> Java. It has the advantage of broad industry support: it will have a VM on
> every platform soon, and vast libraries of code to leverage off of. We can
> spend less time reinventing the wheel, writing our own libraries and
> supporting our own VM, and spend more time making the editor itself better.

The true advantage of developing an Emacs in Java would be the interfaces to
the Internet that Java should make easily possible.  The problem to be
addressed in this area, though, is security (like preventing runaway
extensions autoloaded from the Net).

> I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a Java version of emacs. 
> I will post them shortly. I have also been thinking about a name derived from 
> both emacs and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and short, is 
> a recognisable name, and is currently my favorite. What do you think?

If security is not addressed, then either no one will trust Eva as a "net
aware" application or no one will use Eva because it won't be "net aware"
(because to make it "net aware" would be to make it insecure).  Without the
Internet capabilities that Java brings to the table, writing Emacs in Java
would probably not be real different than writing it in Lisp.  The only
difference would probably be the eventual number of Java programmers that
would be available to develop extensions for it (but do you really think an
experienced Java programmer couldn't write decent Lisp?).
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How about starting new newsgroup (let's say comp.editors.eva :) ?


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I've heard that there is a package
which allows for collapsing blocks of statements
in C into one line. Does anybody know
what is its name and how to get it ?

Regards,

Jacek Pliszka

P.S. I had this feature in LSE.

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Does anyone know of a way to convince VM to deal properly with base64
encoding? My company has just started using a new mail system which by
default uses this type of encoding, and I can't seem to find a way to
decode it. Any hints to information about this scheme would be greatly
appreciated.

	- Steve Nunez
	nunez@helios.net


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>>>> Thus spake 'Peter Riocreux (p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk)':

 PR> I run 19.14 under xnews and Motif on a Sun, and today, while trying to
 PR> modify Motif's behaviour, I discovered that 19.14 seems to hang, when
 PR> you restart the window manager.  Well not hang really, just lose the
 PR> ability to take keyboard or mouse input itself, but still take input
 PR> from gnudoit.  Is this a known bug, or am I being an arse.[snip]

No problems for me under X11R6.1 and fvwm 2.0.23 when I restart fvwm. There's
still a bug somewhere in XEmacs, X, or fvwm that seems to cause XEmacs to not
update its window (keystrokes are received but no cursor, no text). This
happens after switching to another virtual desktop; cleared by iconifying and
then restoring the window. Does not happen all the time.

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I've recently switched (mostly) to using XEmacs, but one of my favorite
packages, 2C, no longer works!  (2C allows you to split a buffer into two,
work on the two side-by-side, and put them back together.)  Does anyone know
where there's a version that works, or even where the 2C package/author is, so
I can drop him/her e-mail?

Thanks.
   --Roy


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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Nunez <nunez@sol.helios.net> writes:

> Does anyone know of a way to convince VM to deal properly with base64
> encoding? My company has just started using a new mail system which by
> default uses this type of encoding, and I can't seem to find a way to
> decode it. Any hints to information about this scheme would be greatly
> appreciated.

What is the mail system?  Is it MIME compatible?
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:

Peter> I use display-time in XEmacs 19.14 to give me just a time
Peter> display on the modeline, no mail reports etc.  I would like to
Peter> have the time in 24-hour format, rather than 12-hr and am/pm,
Peter> but I cannot figure out how to do the customisation.  I looked
Peter> at the reportmail.el source, ...

You're looking in the wrong file.  display-time is in time.el, as
indicated when you do C-h f display-time:
display-time: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "time".
Display current time, load level, and mail flag in mode line of each buffer.
Updates automatically every minute.
If `display-time-day-and-date' is non-nil, the current day and date
are displayed as well.
After each update, `display-time-hook' is run with `run-hooks'.
If `display-time-echo-area' is non-nil, the time is displayed in the
echo area instead of in the mode-line.

A quick search through time.el reveals the variable:

(defvar display-time-24hr-format nil
  "*Non-nil indicates time should be displayed as hh:mm, 0 <= hh <= 23.
Nil means 1 <= hh <= 12, and an AM/PM suffix is used.")

Therefore,
(setq display-time-24hr-format t)
will do what you want.
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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon McCulloch <sensei@anglianet.co.uk> writes:

Jon> Hi,
Jon> When I try to run xemacs using PC-X, it bombs out with the 
Jon> the error:

Jon> ld.so.1: xemacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.3: can't open file: 
Jon> errno=2
Jon> Killed

Jon> Any ideas?

libXpm.so is the X Pixmap library.  You will need to get it from
somewhere or build your own XEmacs without it.
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Subject: Adding Ccolumn Counter to Modeline?
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I would like to add a column counter to the mode line next to the line
counter but I haven't been able to figure out how!

Any suggestion?

Thanks!
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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
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Subject: Compiling Xemacs Under HPUX 10.10
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:07:10 -0500
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I am trying to compile Xemacs under HPUX 10.10 using the HP C/ANSI C
Developer's Toolkit... I have read about a couple of problems with HPUX
10 on the Xemacs web site.  Specificly, there was one about problems
using the shared libraries anstead of the static ones.  

My problem is that libcurses and libAlib only exist on my system as
shared libs!  It is a new system, still being configured... Do these
normally come installed or do I need to have the sys admin go look for
them? I did manage to get Xemacs up using the shared libs, but it does
have some problems.

Thanks for any help!
Darren


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Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> 
>     "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:
> 
>     Eugene> I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a
>     Eugene> Java version of emacs.  I will post them shortly. I have
>     Eugene> also been thinking about a name derived from both emacs
>     Eugene> and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and
>     Eugene> short, is a recognisable name, and is currently my
>     Eugene> favorite. What do you think?
> 
> Eva? Eva! Sound's good :-)
> 
> Shyamal
> --
> These opinions are mine, not my employers.

How about Jemacs or just Jmacs?
 
Darren

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I am trying to build xemacs-19.24 for a machine running SunOS 5.4 .. and
have run into some problems.

	everything goes fine till ....

....
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so*** Error code 139
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'


I did copy the file "dlsym.o" and linked it with "temacs"... but 
it still doesn't work.  any sugestions?

sb

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Is anyone updating this web-page??  (Chuck?)

1. The pointer to the contrib directory doesn't work:
	ftp://cs.uiuc.edu/pub/xemacs/contrib

2. Is the contrib directory meant to be a place where people could (semi-)
   automatically add packages to the list?

3. Is the XEmacs Webmaster account the place to send concerns (like this)?
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Hi,

 Does anyone know how to set a wildcard in Dired?  I perused the
 documentation with a fine tooth comb.... It mentions the DISPLAY of a
 wild-card directory listing but does not tell you how to do it!  I'd
 like to be able to quickly list a small set of files in a large
 directory.

The only solution I have found so far is to do a "find-grep-dired" but
that's an awfully slow way of doing it!


					Jeff

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>>>>> "PR" == Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:

    PR> I use display-time in XEmacs 19.14 to give me just a time display on
    PR> the modeline, no mail reports etc.  I would like to have the time in
    PR> 24-hour format, rather than 12-hr and am/pm, but I cannot figure out
    PR> how to do the customisation.  I looked at the reportmail.el source,
    PR> but my elisp is not what it might be, and I cannot get anywhere with
    PR> it.

Sure, try using:
	

	(setq display-time-24hr-format t)

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Hi.

Does anyone know how to stop the following messages appearing at xemacs
startup? I realise that it is probably something to do with having an X
font resource set to something that xemacs could do a lot with. Does
anyone have a list of the resources, and appropriate values to set them
to?

 (1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"


(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"


(3) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"

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Jeff Greenlee <greenj@wimpy.analogy.com> writes:
| 
| Hi,
| 
|  Does anyone know how to set a wildcard in Dired?

C-x d *.c <enter>

seems to work just fine for me (xemacs 19.14 and emacs 19.32)

In fact, given a script "files" (on UNIX) that emits a list of
interesting files,

C-x d `files` <enter>

does the obvious ...

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Andreas Debus <adebus@weizen.mpibpc.gwdg.de> writes:
> How to bind \"a \"o etc. strings to german a-,o,udiaresis keys?
> xemacs ignores 
>   (fset 'ue "\\\"u" )
>   (global-set-key 'udiaresis 'ue)

Andreas, have you tried using x-compose to input these chars? Once
x-compose is loaded, `<multi_key> " a` will give you "". The multi_key
keysym is provided by the compose key on many systems.

morgan
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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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Subject: Re: Help: Marking & moving rectangle block
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Vit Rudovich <rvb@reksoft.ru> writes:
> Is it possible:
> 1. to mark a rectangular block 

Use M-mouse1, click and drag to the selection you want.

> 2. to move a whole marked block using keyb. and/or mouse in xemacs 19.14?

Once you've selected the block, `C-x r k` to kill it, then `C-x r y` to
paste it wherever you want.

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Subject: Re: Problem with gnuserv in Xemacs-19.14
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Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca> writes:
> I've just compiled Xemacs19.14 on my home computer running linux and I have
> a problem with gnuserv. At the end of the .emacs loading, I get the
> following message:
> 
> Server subprocess exited
> 
> and there is no gnuserv process on my machine so I can't do gnuclient or
> gnudoit. 

Frederic, the same thing was happening to me with 19.14 on my sparc at
work. I attempted to launch gnuserv from the command line via strace, and
saw that it was failing to bind a socket -- the socket it wanted was
already in use. It actually appeared that it tried a range of sockets
before failing.

I didn't and don't know how to rectify a situation like this without
restarting the machine, but that's what I did, and gnuserv started fine
after that. I don't know for sure if this was the solution.

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eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:

>I've been getting a lot of feedback saying people want something like elisp, 
>and I can see merit in many of their arguments. I still think some degree of 
>seperation between the extensible editor and the extension language(s) would 
>be a good idea, but a language that works with the editor like yacc works with 
>lex could give us the best of both worlds. If this language could be 
>interpereted during development and then compiled to java bytecodes for 
>production, better still.

>Seperate, but tightly integrated. I think that's the way to go. What do you 
>think?

Why do you want a separate language for extensions? If you have the same language for both development
and extension,
you would be able to do something ilke 

interpret(mymacro);

and mymacro would be interpreted in the current editor environment.

Anil

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From: glaurent@nissart.lagaude.ibm.com (014940 L.Guillaume antilles)
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Subject: Re: 19.14: filename completion broken?
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urs@cs.ucsb.edu (Urs Hoelzle) writes:

> In 19.14 (SPARC Solaris 2.5) filename completion with the TAB key
> doesn't always work.  Sometimes, TAB just inserts a few spaces rather
> than completing the file name.  Deleting these spaces and pressing TAB
> again works.
> 
> The one reproducible case I have involves an NFS-automounted directory
[...]
> timing-dependent behavior.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this problem too?

Yes, on RS6k, AIX 3.2.5. It is definetely a timing problem, if I wait
just a little before pressing TAB, all is fine.

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Subject: Total nuber of lines in modeline?
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I have customized my modeline considerably and successfully but one bit
of information (actually, an integer) is still missing:

I'd like to display the total number of lines in the buffer so that it is
automatically updated in the same way as line and column numbers are.

Is there a way to do that?

While trying myself, I wait confidently for a useful hint.

Thank you.

R. Badii
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From: Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Help!  Fatal Error while building 19.14 for Solaris 5.4!
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>>>>> "Sanjay" == Sanjay Bhatia <sb@tcsi.com> writes:
    Sanjay> I am trying to build xemacs-19.24 for a machine running
    Sanjay> SunOS 5.4 .. and have run into some problems.
    Sanjay> 
    Sanjay> 	everything goes fine till ....
    Sanjay> 
    Sanjay> .... hashtables used: 346 hashtable storage: 13840 streams
    Sanjay> used: 2 streams on free list: 2 stream storage: 198
    Sanjay> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so*** Error code 139
    Sanjay> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'

I guess you used the GNU 'ld' for linking?
Use SUN's linker instead, then it should work.
Klaus

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Hi everybody,

I am using XEmacs 19.14 (I got the binary version for BSD/OS 2.1).
When I try to print by using the "Print" button, I have the error message :

pr: illegal option --f

In fact, on BSD/OS 2.1, pr doesn't accept -f as a flag but -F. How can I 
modify the command executed by pressing the "Print" button ?

Thanks in advance to answer me directly.            Gildas.
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Hi everybody,

I am using XEmacs 19.14 (I got the binary version for BSD/OS 2.1).
When I try to print by using the "Print" button, I have the error message :

pr: illegal option --f

In fact, on BSD/OS 2.1, pr doesn't accept -f as a flag but -F. How can I 
modify the command executed by pressing the "Print" button ?

Thanks in advance to answer me directly.            Gildas.
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I'd like to add more abbrevs in LateX-math-mode and to redefine a few of the
default abbrevs (I use Auctex 9.4g, Xemacs 19.14, Linux 1.99.4).
At the moment I have the following in my .emacs:

...
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'rb-LaTeX-setup)

(defun rb-LaTeX-setup ()
  "Customization for LaTeX"
  (LaTeX-math-mode)
  (setq fill-column 76)
  (local-set-key '(control j) 'rb-join-line)

(defvar LaTeX-math-list
    '((?e "varepsilon" "greek")         ; Substitutes the default of "epsilon"
)
  "Alist of ... ")
)

This has no success (neither with the defvar inside the defun
rb-LaTeX-setup, nor outside it): I still get \epsilon when typing `e and the
menu entry for `e is also the old one (epsilon).

Can anybody help?

Thank you

R. Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
CH-5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch (please notice that the e-mail address posted by our
                newsreader contains an additional obsolete "cvax")

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>>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

    Darren> I am trying to compile Xemacs under HPUX 10.10 using the
    Darren> HP C/ANSI C Developer's Toolkit... I have read about a
    Darren> couple of problems with HPUX 10 on the Xemacs web site.
    Darren> Specificly, there was one about problems using the shared
    Darren> libraries anstead of the static ones.

    Darren> My problem is that libcurses and libAlib only exist on my
    Darren> system as shared libs!  It is a new system, still being
    Darren> configured... Do these normally come installed or do I
    Darren> need to have the sys admin go look for them? I did manage
    Darren> to get Xemacs up using the shared libs, but it does have
    Darren> some problems.

Actually, the problem was with lib[x]curses redefining a buggy select() call.
PHCO_808 available from HP corrects this. Get it from

http://www.support.mayfield.hp.com

You would probably be better off installing all of the latest compiler/library
patches while you're at it ;-)

Richard.
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From: Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@demon.net>
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Subject: Re: Collapsing in source modes
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>>>>> Regarding Collapsing in source modes; Jacek Pliszka <Jacek.Pliszka@cern.ch> adds:
Jacek> 
Jacek> I've heard that there is a package
Jacek> which allows for collapsing blocks of statements
Jacek> in C into one line. Does anybody know
Jacek> what is its name and how to get it ?
Jacek> 

Yup, it is called "folding-mode.el" or "folding.el".  The Html mode in
19.14 uses folding algorithms to collapse statements...

-- 
	Nicolai

	Demon Internet Ltd,
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From: Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@demon.net>
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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>>>>> Regarding Re: emacs rewritten in java ?; eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) adds:

Eugene> If we are to write a new emacs, there is no reason not to write it in Java. It 
Eugene> has the advantage of broad industry support: it will have a VM on every 
Eugene> platform soon, and vast libraries of code to leverage off of. We can spend 
Eugene> less time reinventing the wheel, writing our own libraries and supporting our 
Eugene> own VM, and spend more time making the editor itself better.
Eugene> 
Eugene> I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a Java version of emacs. 
Eugene> I will post them shortly. I have also been thinking about a name derived from 
Eugene> both emacs and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and short, is 
Eugene> a recognisable name, and is currently my favorite. What do you think?
Eugene> 

Eva is a very nice name.  I would imagine that if the FSF would pick
up on the idea, they would probably call it "Adam" <grin>.

Let's just hope that all efforts towards a Eva are not some interface
stunts...

Just because it is written in Java does not mean that it will be
dignified successor.  I can do without motif, lucid or whatever.  If
Emacs would still be VT100 oriented, I would still use it for mail,
news, development && annoying sysops.  Its functionality is
unsurpassed.

-- 
	Nicolai

	Demon Internet Ltd,
	London, UK

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I have: a hacked derivative of the GNU emacs imenu package which
works with XEmacs 19.14 (called 'ximenu'); and the following
questions.

o Is this redundant (i.e. is there already a way to get a menu of
  functions defined in a buffer)?

o If it's not redundant, is anyone interested in it?

o If anyone is interested, how should the module's header comments
  be written?  For now I've just augmented the original header
  (copylefted to FSF, etc.) to indicate that the original authors
  are not responsible for this derivative work, and so should not
  be pinged with support questions, etc.
  Is that the right thing to do?

o This code is not compatible with the GNU emacs menu system.
  Is this bad enough to warrant not making the code available?

Thanks for any help/advice.
-- 
Mitch Chapman
mchapman@erinet.com

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Subject: spliting messages in TM
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Hi,
The TM mime package splits a long message to 900 line shorter messages.
Where is the variable that controls this length?
I've searched the TM code, and couldn't even find an apearence of 900.

-- 
Regards,

	Shlomo Mahlab

Oren Semiconductor Ltd.			Tel: 972-4-9894565
P.O.Box 201				Fax: 972-4-9894566
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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: imenu for XEmacs 19.14
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 06:09 14/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I have: a hacked derivative of the GNU emacs imenu package which
>works with XEmacs 19.14 (called 'ximenu'); and the following
>questions.
>
>o Is this redundant (i.e. is there already a way to get a menu of
>  functions defined in a buffer)?

Yes, this is redundant. Check out ..lisp/packages/func-menu.el

For an example of usage, see the sample .emacs file that comes with XEmacs.

-- David (func-menu developer)

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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
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Subject: Re: spliting messages in TM
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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> The TM mime package splits a long message to 900 line shorter messages.
> Where is the variable that controls this length?
> I've searched the TM code, and couldn't even find an apearence of 900.
> 

Try looking at the variables 'mime-editor/message-default-max-length' and
'mime-editor/message-max-length', and look at tm-edit.el. 

-- 
David Barr.

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To: David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com>
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In-reply-to: Your message of "13 Aug 1996 17:15:24 PDT."
             <tzu3u6x1lv.fsf@baldy.kla.com> 
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:24:51 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    David> Is anyone updating this web-page??  (Chuck?)

Steven Baur is now directly updating the FAQ.  Other than that there
have been no updates since the 19.14 release.


    David> 1. The pointer to the contrib directory doesn't work:
    David> 	ftp://cs.uiuc.edu/pub/xemacs/contrib

Fixed.



    David> 2. Is the contrib directory meant to be a place where
    David>    people could (semi-) automatically add packages to the
    David>    list?

The contrib directory is supposed to be a place to put elisp packages
which are known to work with XEmacs which are not included in the
XEmacs distribution.  One stop shopping similar to what the aux
directory does for extra libraries.


    David> 3. Is the XEmacs Webmaster account the place to send
    David>    concerns (like this)?

Yes, but I forgot about it and haven't checked the mail for it for
sometime.  Thanks for the reminder :-)



			-Chuck

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From: albirio!hoffman@uunet.uu.net (William A. Hoffman)
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The following in c++ mode hangs xemacs19.14:

/* sccs keyword ids:
   @(#) arraymapping.h 3.1 9/4/92 @(#) 
*/
/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                            ***** W A R N I N G *****
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/


How do I fix this???  It seems that the regexp stuff for the c++ mode is compiled
into xemacs?  
-- 
	- Bill Hoffman (hoffman@crd.ge.com)

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Is there a way to have emacsclient kick off a server if there isn't one
available? And is there a way for it to restore the server if its minimized.
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Regarding Randal Schwartz's pp.el package, I can't help you with
that, but here's the package I use, (renamed it to pretty-print.el)
, by Guido Bosch, who, unfortunately, is no longer in the Emacs
business :-( : 

;;   -*- Syntax: Emacs-Lisp; Mode: emacs-lisp -*-
;; 
;; Emacs Lisp pretty printer and macro expander
;; 
;; Copyright (C) 1992,1993 Guido Bosch <Guido.Bosch@loria.fr>

;; This file is written in GNU Emacs Lisp, but is not part of GNU Emacs.

;; The software contained in this file is free software; you can
;; redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General
;; Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
;; version 2, or (at your option) any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;; 
;; Please send bugs and comments to the author.
;;
;; <DISCLAIMER>
;; This program is still under development.  Neither the author nor
;; CRIN-INRIA accepts responsibility to anyone for the consequences of
;; using it or for whether it serves any particular purpose or works
;; at all.
;; 
;; The package has been developed under Lucid Emacs 19, but also runs
;; on Emacs 18, if it is compiled with the version 19 byte compiler
;; (function `compiled-function-p' lacking).
;;

;; Installation and Usage
;; ----------------------
;;
;; This package provides an Emacs Lisp sexpression pretty printer and
;; macroexpander.  To install it, put the following line in your .emacs,
;; default.el or site-init.el/site-run.el (for Lucid Emacs): 
;; (require 'pp)
;; 
;; The package can also be made autoloadable, with the following entry 
;; points: 
;; (autoload 'pp-function "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'pp-variable "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'pp-plist     "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'macroexpand-sexp "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'macroexpand-all-sexp "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'prettyexpand-sexp "pp" nil t)
;; (autoload 'prettyexpand-all-sexp "pp" nil t)
;;
;;(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control meta m) 'macroexpand-sexp)
;;(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control meta M) 'macroexpand-all-sexp)
;;(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control symbol m) 'prettyexpand-sexp)
;;(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control symbol M) 'prettyexpand-all-sexp)
;;
;;(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control meta m) 'macroexpand-sexp)
;;(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control meta M) 'macroexpand-all-sexp)
;;(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control symbol m) 'prettyexpand-sexp)
;;(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control symbol M) 'prettyexpand-all-sexp)
;;

;; Pretty printing of the different cells of a symbol is done with the
;; commands:
;;
;; 		M-x pp-function
;; 		M-x pp-variable
;;		M-x pp-plist
;;
;; They print a symbol's function definition, variable value and
;; property list, respectively.  These commands pop up a separate
;; window in which the pretty printed lisp object is displayed.
;; Completion for function and variable symbols is provided. If a
;; function is byte compiled, `pp-function' proposes to call the Emacs
;; Lisp disassembler (this feature only works for Emacs 19, as it
;; needs the `compiled-function-p' predicate).
;;
;; To use the macro expander, put the cursor at the beginning of the
;; form to be expanded, then type
;;
;; 	        C-M-m 		(macroexpand-sexp)
;; or		C-M-Sh-M  	(macroexpand-all-sexp)
;; 
;; Both commands will pop up a temporary window containing the
;; macroexpanded code. The only difference is that the second command
;; expands recursively all containing macro calls, while the first one
;; does it only for the uppermost sexpression.  
;; 	With a prefix argument, the macro expansion isn't displayed in a
;; separate buffer but replaces the original code in the current
;; buffer. Be aware: Comments will be lost.
;; 	You can get back the original sexpression using the `undo'
;; 	command on `C-x u'.
;;
;; There is also a prettyfied version of the macroexpander:
;;
;;		C-Sym-m		(prettyexpand-sexp)
;; or		C-Sym-M		(prettyexpand-all-sexp)
;; 
;; The only difference with the corresponding macroexpand commands is 
;; that calls to macros specified in the variable
;; `pp-shadow-expansion-list' are not expanded, in order to make the
;; code look nicer. This is only useful for Lucid Emacs or code that
;; uses Dave Gillespies cl package, as it inhibits expansion of the
;; following macros: block, eval-when, defun*, defmacro*, function*,
;; setf.

; Change History
; 
; $Log: pp.el,v $
; Revision 1.4  1993/03/25  14:09:52  bosch
; Commands `prettyexpand-sexp' and `prettyexpand-all-sexp' and
; corresponding key bindings added.  Commands pp-{function, variable}
; rewritten. `pp-plist' added. Function `pp-internal-loop' (for Dave
; Gillespies CL loop macro) added.
;
; Revision 1.3  1993/03/03  12:24:13  bosch
; Macroexpander rewritten. Function `pp-macroexpand-all' added (snarfed
; from Dave Gillespies cl-extra.el). Pretty printing for top level
; defining forms added (`pp-internal-def'). Key bindings for
; `emacs-lisp-mode-map' and `lisp-interaction-mode-map' added.  Built-in
; variable `print-gensym' set for printinng uninterned symbols. Started
; adding support for cl-dg (defun*, defmacro*, ...).  Minor bug fixes.
;
; Revision 1.2  1993/02/25  17:35:02  bosch
; Comments about Emacs 18 compatibility added.
;
; Revision 1.1  1993/02/25  16:55:01  bosch
; Initial revision
;
;


;; TO DO LIST
;; ----------
;; Provide full Emacs 18 compatibility.

;; Popper support
(defvar pp-buffer-name "*Pretty Print*")
(defvar pp-macroexpand-buffer-name "*Macro Expansion*")
(if (featurep 'popper)
    (or (eq popper-pop-buffers 't)
	(setq popper-pop-buffers 
	      (cons pp-buffer-name 
		    (cons pp-macroexpand-buffer-name 
			  popper-pop-buffers)))))

;; User level functions
(defun pp-function (symbol)
  "Pretty print the function definition of SYMBOL in a seperate buffer"
  (interactive 
   (list (pp-read-symbol 'fboundp "Pretty print function definition of: ")))
  (if (compiled-function-p (symbol-function symbol))
      (if (y-or-n-p 
	   (format "Function %s is byte compiled. Disassemble? " symbol))
	  (disassemble (symbol-function symbol))
	(pp-symbol-cell symbol 'symbol-function))
    (pp-symbol-cell symbol 'symbol-function)))

(defun pp-variable (symbol)
  "Pretty print the variable value of SYMBOL in a seperate buffer"
  (interactive
   (list (pp-read-symbol 'boundp "Pretty print variable value of: ")))
  (pp-symbol-cell symbol 'symbol-value))

(defun pp-plist (symbol)
  "Pretty print the property list of SYMBOL in a seperate buffer"
  (interactive
   (list (pp-read-symbol 'symbol-plist "Pretty print property list of: ")))
  (pp-symbol-cell symbol 'symbol-plist))

(defun pp-read-symbol (predicate prompt)
  "Read a symbol for which  PREDICATE is true, promptiong with PROMPT."
  (let (symbol)
    (while (or (not symbol) (not (funcall predicate symbol)))
      (setq symbol 
	    (intern-soft 
	     (completing-read
	      prompt
	      obarray
	      predicate
	      t
	      (and symbol (symbol-name symbol))))))
    symbol))

(defun pp-symbol-cell (symbol accessor)  
  "Pretty print the contents of the cell of SYMBOL that can be reached
with the function ACCESSOR."
  (with-output-to-temp-buffer pp-buffer-name
    (set-buffer pp-buffer-name)
    (emacs-lisp-mode)
    (erase-buffer)
    (pp-internal 
     (funcall accessor symbol) 
     (format "%s's %s is:\n" symbol accessor))
    (terpri)))


  
;; Macro expansion (user level)

(defun macroexpand-sexp (&optional replace)
  "Macro expand the sexpression following point. Pretty print expansion in a
temporary buffer. With prefix argument, replace the original
sexpression by its expansion in the current buffer."
  (interactive "P")
  (pp-macroexpand-internal 'macroexpand replace t))

(defun macroexpand-all-sexp (&optional replace)
  "Macro expand recursively the sexpression following point. Pretty print
expansion in a temporary buffer. With prefix argument, replace the
original sexpression by its expansion in the current buffer."
  (interactive "P")
  (pp-macroexpand-internal 'pp-macroexpand-all replace t))

(defun prettyexpand-sexp (&optional replace)
  "Macro expand the sexpression following point. Pretty print expansion
in a temporary buffer. With prefix argument, replace the original
sexpression by its expansion in the current buffer.  
	However, calls to macros specified in the variable
`pp-shadow-expansion-list' are not expanded, in order to make the code
look nicer."

  (interactive "P")
  (pp-macroexpand-internal 'macroexpand replace))

(defun prettyexpand-all-sexp (&optional replace)
  "Macro expand recursively the sexpression following point. Pretty print
expansion in a temporary buffer. With prefix argument, replace the
original sexpression by its expansion in the current buffer.
	However, calls to macros specified in the variable
`pp-shadow-expansion-list' are not expanded, in order to make the code
look nicer."
  (interactive "P")
  (pp-macroexpand-internal 'pp-macroexpand-all replace))

(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control meta m) 'macroexpand-sexp)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control meta M) 'macroexpand-all-sexp)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control symbol m) 'prettyexpand-sexp)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control symbol M) 'prettyexpand-all-sexp)

(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control meta m) 'macroexpand-sexp)
(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control meta M) 'macroexpand-all-sexp)
(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control symbol m) 'prettyexpand-sexp)
(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(control symbol M) 'prettyexpand-all-sexp)


;; Macro expansion (internals)

(defvar pp-shadow-expansion-list
  (mapcar 'list '(block eval-when defun* defmacro* function* setf))
  "The value of this variable is given as the optional environment
argument of the macroexpand functions. Forms specified in this list are
not expanded.")

(defun pp-macroexpand-internal 
  (macroexpand-function replace &optional dont-shadow)
  "Macro expand the sexp that starts at point, using
MACROEXPAND-FUNCTION.  If REPLACE is non-nil, replace the original
text by its expansion, otherwise pretty print the expansion in a
temporary buffer. With optional argument DONT-SHADOW non-nil, do not
use the `pp-shadow-expansion-list' to inhibit expansion of some
forms."

  (interactive)
  (let ((expansion
	 (funcall 
	  macroexpand-function
	  (let ((stab (syntax-table)))
	    (unwind-protect
		(save-excursion
		  (set-syntax-table emacs-lisp-mode-syntax-table)
		  ;; (forward-sexp 1)
		  (read (current-buffer)))
	      (set-syntax-table stab)))
	  (if dont-shadow 
	      nil
	    pp-shadow-expansion-list))))
    (save-excursion
      (if replace 
	  (let ((start (point))
		(end (progn (forward-sexp 1) (point))))
	    (delete-region start end)
	    (pp-internal expansion))
	(with-output-to-temp-buffer pp-macroexpand-buffer-name
	  (set-buffer pp-macroexpand-buffer-name)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (emacs-lisp-mode)
	  (pp-internal expansion))))))

;; Internal pretty print functions

(defun pp-internal (form &optional title)
  "Pretty print FORM in in the current buffer.
Optional string TITEL is inserted before the pretty  print."
  (let (start)
    (if title (princ title))
    (setq start (point))
    ;; print-escape-newlines must be t, otherwise we cannot use
    ;; (current-column) to detect good line breaks
    (let ((print-escape-newlines t)
	  (print-gensym t)
	  )
      (prin1 form (current-buffer))
      (goto-char start)
      (pp-internal-sexp))))

(defun pp-internal-sexp ()
  "Pretty print the following sexp. 
Point must be on or before the first character."

  (skip-chars-forward " \n\t")
  (let* ((char (following-char))
	 (ch-class (char-syntax char))
	 (start (point)))

    (cond
     ;; open paren
     ((eq char ?\()
      (down-list 1)
      (if (memq  (char-syntax (following-char)) '(?_ ?w))
	  (let ((symbol (read (current-buffer))))
	    (cond ((fboundp symbol)
		   (goto-char start)
		   (pp-internal-function symbol))
		  ((memq symbol '(lambda macro))
		   (pp-internal-lambda))
		  (t
		   (goto-char start)
		   (pp-internal-list))))
	(up-list -1)
	(pp-internal-list)))
     
     ;;symbols & strings
     ((memq  ch-class '(?_		; symbol
			?w		; word
			?\"		; string
			?\\		; escape
			?\'		; quote (for uninterned symbols)
			)) (forward-sexp 1))
	
     ;; vector
     ((eq char ?\[) (pp-internal-list))
     
     ;; error otherwise
     (t (error "pp-internal-sexp: character class not treated yet: `%c'" 
	       ch-class)))))

(defun pp-internal-function (func)
  "Pretty print a functuion call.
Point must be on the open paren. the function symbol may be passed as an 
optional argument."
  (let ((start (point))
	(too-large (>= (save-excursion
			 (forward-sexp 1)
			 (current-column))
		       fill-column))
	(indent-info (get func lisp-indent-function)))
    (down-list 1)
    ;; skip over function name
    (forward-sexp 1)
    (cond
     ((memq func '(let let*)) (pp-internal-let))

     ((eq func 'cond) (pp-internal-cond))

     ((memq func '(if while with-output-to-temp-buffer catch block))
      (pp-internal-sexp)
      (pp-internal-body 't))

     ((eq func 'quote) (pp-internal-quote))

     ((memq func '(progn 
		    prog1 prog2
		    save-window-excursion 
		    save-excursion 
		    save-restriction))
      (pp-internal-body 't))

     ((memq func '(defun defmacro defsubst defun* defmacro*))
      (pp-internal-def))
     
     ((eq func 'loop) (pp-internal-loop))

     ('t (pp-internal-body too-large)))))

(defun pp-internal-def ()
  (forward-sexp 1)			; skip name
  (if (looking-at " nil")		; replace nil by () 
      (replace-match " ()")
    (forward-sexp 1))
  (if (looking-at " \"")
      ;; comment string. Replace all escaped linefeeds by real ones
      (let ((limit (save-excursion (forward-sexp 1) (point-marker))))
	(newline-and-indent)
	(while (re-search-forward "\\\\n" limit t)
	  (replace-match "\n" nil nil))
	(goto-char limit)))
  (pp-internal-body 't))

(defun pp-internal-list ()
  "Pretty print a list  or a vector.
Point must be on the open paren."
  (let ((too-large (>= (save-excursion
			(forward-sexp 1)
			(current-column))
		      fill-column)))
    (down-list 1)
    (pp-internal-sexp)
    (pp-internal-body too-large)))

(defun pp-internal-body (&optional force-indent)
  "Prety print a body of sexp. Stop after reaching a `)'.  If argument
FORCE-INDENT is non-nil, break line after each sexpression of the
body."
  (skip-chars-forward " \n\t")
  (let (ch-class)
    ;; while not closing paren
    (while (/= (setq ch-class (char-syntax (following-char))) ?\)) 
      (if  force-indent (newline-and-indent))
      (pp-internal-sexp))
    (up-list 1)))

(defun pp-internal-loop ()
  "Prety print a loop body. Stop after reaching a `)'. 
Line breaks are done before the following keywords: "
  (forward-sexp 1)
  (skip-chars-forward " \n\t")
  (let (ch-class)
    ;; while not closing paren
    (while (/= (setq ch-class (char-syntax (following-char))) ?\))
      (if (not (looking-at "for\\|repeat\\|with\\|while\\|until\\|always\\|never\\|thereis\\|collect\\|append\\|nconc\\|sum\\|count\\|maximize\\|minimize\\|if\\|when\\|else\\|unless\\|do\\W\\|initially\\|finally\\|return\\|named"))
	  (pp-internal-sexp)
	(newline-and-indent)
	(forward-sexp 1))
      (skip-chars-forward " \n\t"))
    (up-list 1)))

(defun pp-internal-body-list ()
  (let ((too-large (>= (save-excursion
			(forward-sexp 1)
			(current-column))
		      fill-column))
	ch-class)
    (down-list 1)
    (pp-internal-sexp)
    (while (/= (setq ch-class (char-syntax (following-char))) ?\)) 
      (if  too-large (newline-and-indent))
      (pp-internal-sexp))
    (up-list 1)))
    
(defun pp-internal-lambda ()
  (forward-sexp 1) ; arguments
  (pp-internal-body 't))

(defun pp-internal-let ()
  "Pretty print a let-like  form.
Cursor is behind funtion symbol."
  (down-list 1)
  (while (not (= (following-char) ?\)))
    (if (= (following-char) ?\()
	(pp-internal-body-list)
      (forward-sexp 1))
    (if (not (= (following-char) ?\)))
        (newline-and-indent)))
  (up-list 1)
  (pp-internal-body 't))

(defun pp-internal-cond ()
  "Pretty print a cond-like  form.
Cursor is behind funtion symbol."
  (skip-chars-forward " \n\t")
  (while (not (= (following-char) ?\)))
    (pp-internal-body-list)
    (if (not (= (following-char) ?\)))
	(newline-and-indent)))
  (up-list 1))

      
(defun pp-internal-quote ()
  "Pretty print a quoted list.
Cursor is behind the symbol quote."
  (skip-chars-forward " \n\t")
  (let ((end (point)))
    (backward-sexp 1)
    (delete-region (point) end)
    (up-list -1)
    (setq end (point))
    (forward-sexp 1)
    (delete-char -1)
    (goto-char end)
    (delete-char 1)
    (insert "'")
    (if (= (char-syntax (following-char)) ?\()
	;; don't print it as sexp, because it could be (let ... ) or
	;; (cond ... ) or whatever. 
	(pp-internal-list)
      (pp-internal-sexp))))


;; Stolen form Dave Gillespies cl-extra.el
(defun pp-macroexpand-all (form &optional env)
  "Expand all macro calls through a Lisp FORM.
This also does some trivial optimizations to make the form prettier."
  (setq form (macroexpand form env))
  (cond 
   ((not (consp form)) form)
   ((memq (car form) '(let let*))
    (if (null (nth 1 form))
	(pp-macroexpand-all (cons 'progn (cdr (cdr form))) env)
      (cons (car form) 
	    (cons (pp-macroexpand-lets (nth 1 form) env)
		  (pp-macroexpand-body (cdr (cdr form)) env)))))
   ((eq (car form) 'cond)
    (cons (car form)
	  (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (pp-macroexpand-body x env)))
		  (cdr form))))
   ((eq (car form) 'condition-case)
    (cons (car form)
	  (cons (nth 1 form)
		(cons (pp-macroexpand-all (nth 2 form) env)
		      (pp-macroexpand-lets 
		       (cdr (cdr (cdr form))) env)))))
   ((memq (car form) '(quote function))
    (if (eq (car-safe (nth 1 form)) 'lambda)
	(list (car form) 
	      (cons 'lambda
		    (cons (car (cdr (car (cdr form))))
			  (pp-macroexpand-body 
			   (cdr (cdr (car (cdr form)))) env))))
      form))
   ((memq (car form) '(defun defmacro))
    (cons (car form)
	  (cons (nth 1 form)
		(pp-macroexpand-body (cdr (cdr form)) env))))
   ((and (eq (car form) 'progn) (not (cdr (cdr form))))
    (pp-macroexpand-all (nth 1 form) env))
   (t 
    (cons (car form) (pp-macroexpand-body (cdr form) env)))))

(defun pp-macroexpand-body (body &optional env)
  (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (pp-macroexpand-all x env))) body))

(defun pp-macroexpand-lets (list &optional env)
  (mapcar (function
	   (lambda (x)
	     (if (consp x) (cons (car x) (pp-macroexpand-body (cdr x) env))
	       x))) list))

(run-hooks 'pp-load-hook)
(provide 'pp)

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Netters,

I am posting this for Sean because they don't have access
to Usenet. Please reply directly to akerssw@behp72.gpt.co.uk
(I have set the Reply-To field)

BG Mahesh

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I'm a new user of TeleUSE and have been reading the FAQ. We
generally use emacs for all our editing here and were please to 
read about the d-mode supplied with TeleUSE. However, the mode 
seems to be broken. The indentation does not appear to work correctly 
(it does not seem to be able to spot end of blocks). The supplied 
version of d-mode is 1.7 and we are using GNU Emacs version 19.32.1. 

Basically my question is : 'Do you know if there is a newer version 
of d-mode which does indent correctly ?'

Please reply by e-mail to akerssw@behp72.gpt.co.uk.

Thanks,

Sean Akers

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In article <86wwz2uwjk.fsf@demon.net> Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@demon.net> writes:

> Yup, it is called "folding-mode.el" or "folding.el".  The Html mode in
> 19.14 uses folding algorithms to collapse statements...


   folding.el available everywhere seems to work only with emacs. It gives
some errors when used with xemacs.. Can anyone point to the right place to
get folding.el for xemacs 19.13

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I've just installed the latest 19.14 on an ultra under Solaris 2.5
and when I start it up I'm getting those osfXXX keyboard translation
warnings.

19.13 is installed too and it doesn't do that; I couldn't find
anything in the News file about this. Did I miss anything in the
fool-proof installation? I'm holding off announcing it until this is
solved.

[Aside: thanks to xemacs and all the gui interfaces to all the
customizations and apps, I do not have the power I used to have
around here. Before xemacs, I was the emacs guru; I installed emacs;
people came to me for answers; I had all the cool customizations;
people copied my .emacs file; people worshipped me. Now I'm just
another foo hacker... *sigh*]

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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> wrote in article
<tzbugfmb2x.fsf@baldy.kla.com>...
> >>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:
> 
> > If we are to write a new emacs, there is no reason not to write it in
> > Java. It has the advantage of broad industry support: it will have a VM
on
> > every platform soon, and vast libraries of code to leverage off of. We
can
> > spend less time reinventing the wheel, writing our own libraries and
> > supporting our own VM, and spend more time making the editor itself
better.
> 
> The true advantage of developing an Emacs in Java would be the interfaces
to
> the Internet that Java should make easily possible.  The problem to be
> addressed in this area, though, is security (like preventing runaway
> extensions autoloaded from the Net).

I agree that if we are to promote Eva's ability to download extensions from
the web, 
these extensions must run inside a safe "sandbox" model, and only affect
the outside world
through well-defined interfaces. Thankfully, a lot of good work has already
gone into this 
sort of thing, for the benifit of applets. 

As I understand it, what we do is create our own subclass of
java.lang.SecurityManager,
and instansiate it. Now, if an extension calls system.exec (for example),
system.exec in 
turn calls our implementation of  SecurityManager.checkExec(string cmd),
and in it we 
throw a SecurityExeption if we want to deny permission. SecurityManager
already has
several methods defined for discovering who is calling it, how the caller
was loaded, etc... 
which is exactly how applet security is implemented in HotJava.

Read up on java.lang.SecurityManager if you are interested in more details.
You will find that 99% of the work is already done for us!

-Eugene



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I am trying to define some abbreviations when I am editing files in
cc-mode...The abbreviation that I want is e.g "#d" for "#define", "#i" for
"#include" and so on...However it doesn't seem to work, that is it doesn't like
the # character in the abbrev.....Is it supposed to be like that and if so,
what is the work around

thx,
-/rr

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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

kendall> I can't get this to work. My window manager doesn't override
kendall> this keystroke. In fact \C-right works in emacs. When I press
kendall> C-right the cursor blinks and that is all. What can I do?

What happens when you do
C-h k C-right

This will tell you what key XEmacs is seeing.  If you don't see
something like:
forward-word:
Move point forward ARG words (backward if ARG is negative).
Normally returns t.
If an edge of the buffer is reached, point is left there
and nil is returned.

arguments: (COUNT &optional BUFFER)

then perhaps your window manager is intercepting the keystroke.
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Anil Joshi <joshi@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote in article <joshi.840005163@sal>...
> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
> >Seperate, but tightly integrated. I think that's the way to go. What do
you 
> >think?
> 
> Why do you want a separate language for extensions? If you have the same
language for both development
> and extension,
> you would be able to do something ilke 
> 
> interpret(mymacro);
>
> and mymacro would be interpreted in the current editor environment.

There is nothing stopping you from writing a language in which that would
be a meaningful
statement, whether that language is considered the "official" extension
language for Eva or 
not. The core functionality of Eva itself, however, should be written in
plain Java, (or at least, 
compilable to standard Java bytecodes) for speed of execution and for ease
of integration 
with other Java components, which may not have been written with Eva in
mind at all. 

Java will be the "lingua franca" of the JVM: All languages must ultimately
communicate at the 
level of Java objects. That only stands to reason. If there is to be "one
true" language for 
both development and extensions, the logical choice would be Java. However,
I don't see
a need for "one true" language. If you want your extension language of
choice, that suits the
task at hand, whether it be a flexible interpereter or fast compiler, all
power to you!

-Eugene

> Anil


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Is there a function available in xemacs 19.13 to send the current
buffer out to Netscape for previewing (similar to the way VM can pop
netscape when you click on a URL in a mail message).

I've tried w3-preview-this-buffer, but it uses xemacs own internal web
browser.


TIA,
Todd
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Okay, some package in 19.14 is touching my .netrc file.  It gets
loaded into a buffer, and then the buffer gets modified.  I know this
because at some point I try to save all my buffers and I get queried
to save my .netrc file, which I don't want to do (since I didn't visit
it, and besides it's RCS unlocked).

This is new behavior (didn't happen under 19.13) and I do not thing
ange-ftp is doing it.  I haven't tracked it down yet, but has anybody
else noticed this happening?  I don't yet know which package is doing
this.

-Barry


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>>>>> "EO" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

    EO> "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and short, is a
    EO> recognisable name, and is currently my favorite. What do you
    EO> think?

No, it _has_ to be called `Jine'  (Jine Is Not Emacs)  :-)

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>>>>> "SP" == Sobhan Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

    SP> Could someone help me on how to set up Supercite.  I am using
    SP> Xemacs 19.14 with VM 5.96.

Hmm, XEmacs should have the Supercite manual on-line.  Try:

    C-h i m Super RET

-Barry

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>>>>> "MC" == Michael Cram <cram@gdc.com> writes:

    MC> I have xemacs 19.13 and I want to custom indent my c code... I
    MC> like the brackets to be below (and in the same column) as the
    MC> start of a statement and, the body to be indented.  I have
    MC> been able to get a 3 space indent but it indents the brackets
    MC> also.

    MC> I use this to set the indent: (add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda
    MC> () (setq c-basic-offset 3)))

XEmacs 19.13 should have the cc-mode manual on-line, and should
explain how to get the indentation you want.

-Barry

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Sobhan  Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

>When I am editing buffer to post news.. auto wrapping is not done.. 
>I guess there is some news hook to do this.. Auto wrapping is 
>automatically done when I sned mail .. etc
>Please let me know what I should add to .emacs to get this done..

I use

	(setq news-reply-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1)))

Bill
	


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Never mind my original request -- there was an easy fix for 2C for XEmacs:
replace the call to "window-edges" with a call to "tapestry-window-edges".
After that, things worked fine.
   --Roy


rmt@umcs.maine.edu (Roy M. Turner) writes:
> I've recently switched (mostly) to using XEmacs, but one of my favorite
> packages, 2C, no longer works!  (2C allows you to split a buffer into two,
> work on the two side-by-side, and put them back together.)  Does anyone know
> where there's a version that works, or even where the 2C package/author is, so
> I can drop him/her e-mail?


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xemacs runs on any linux console, but in X I get the following message.
Nothing in FAQ regarding Fatal error (11).  Any pointers/suggestions
appreciated.

Sven

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Fatal error (11).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)

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From: Kent Rutan <rutan@cat.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs Core dump after Fx_get_resource on HPUX
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:57:19 -0500
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Jim Searle (jims@broadcom.com) wrote:
> 
> Xemacs is core dumping ocassionally on some commands like gnuclient,
> 'vm' which open new frames.

Same here.

> 
> We have:
> XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Tue Jul 30 1996 on norseman

We have:
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Tue Jul 16 1996 on flea

> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
> #0  0x1f1a78 in kill ()
> (gdb) where
> #0  0x1f1a78 in kill ()
> #1  0x4b604 in fatal_error_signal (sig=1077547948) at emacs.c:193
> #2  <signal handler called>
> #3  0x4013c360 in _end ()
> #4  0xea618 in Fx_get_resource (name=809112504, class=805946972, type=269632140,
>     locale=272289792, device=Cannot access memory at address 0x103abbcc.
> ) at device-x.c:913
> Cannot access memory at address 0x103abbec.

Our Traceback (using xdb)is:

 0 fatal_error_signal + 0x0000008c (0, 0, 0x4ed2b, 0x4ddab)
 1 _sigreturn (0x201dc62c, 0x10117004, 0x401117b0, 0xffffffff)
 2 _strcat + 0x000000ec (0x201dc62c, 0x10117004, 0x401117b0, 0xffffffff)
 3 Fx_get_resource + 0x00000170 (0x4, 0x406fb540, 0xdeadbeef,
0x4072c400)
 4 primitive_funcall + 0x00000220 (0x1, 0x406fb480, 0x401e117c, 0)
 5 funcall_subr + 0x0000001c (0x3, 0x406fb4c0, 0x401e117c, 0xf)
 6 funcall_recording_as + 0x00000334 (0x1, 0x1, 0x40773400, 0x400ad708)
 7 Ffuncall + 0x0000001c (0x3023cbb8, 0x7b036854, 0x10117004, 0)
 8 Fbyte_code + 0x000007e4 (Address not found (UE302)

Unfortunately, gdb doesn't recognize the core and xdb doesn't recognize
the gcc -g info.

Is there anything we can do to stop this core dump problem?

Thanks,
Kent
--
Kent Rutan
Caterpillar Inc.
rutan@cat.com

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Jon McCulloch wrote:
 
> When I try to run xemacs using PC-X, it bombs out with the
> the error:
> 
> ld.so.1: xemacs: fatal: libXpm.so.4.3: can't open file:
> errno=2
> Killed
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

You may want to chack your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable in the
sheel where you started xemacs from.  It is likely that it does not have
a path which contains libXpm.so.4.3.


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urs@cs.ucsb.edu (Urs Hoelzle) writes:

> The one reproducible case I have involves an NFS-automounted directory
> (lets call it /fs/foo) with two files README and ReleaseNotes.
> A find-file of /fs/foo/R followed by TAB (almost) always breaks
> (i.e. inserts spaces rather than showing the two files in a completion
> buffer).  

Could it be that on the times it doesn't work, you are actually
pressing Shift-Tab? The Shift-Tab key actually inserts a tab instead
of doing completions. Since you're seeing the problem with files that
start with an uppercase R, I would bet that you're still holding down
the shift key when you press tab. On the times that it succeeds,
you've taken your finger off of the shift key.

Cheers,

-- 
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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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I frequently have a problem in Gnus under XEmacs in which I select a
group to read and get a message saying something like "You have
selected a buffer that has been deleted or does not exist" (not sure
of the exact wording). The way I've been dealing with this is to
just exit and restart Gnus.

Anyway, yesterday I installed tm. It worked okay. I'm pretty sure I
exited and restarted XEmacs after installing tm, but in any case I
reloaded my .emacs and both VM and Gnus worked just fine. However,
this morning, when I tried to use Gnus, I kept getting the message
described above as Gnus was starting up. It would then leave me in
an empty *Group* buffer. 

I commented out the following two tm-related lines from my .emacs...

(load "mime-setup")
(require 'tm-vm)

...and restarted XEmacs, and now Gnus is working fine. 

Does anyone know why this is happening?

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>>>>> "Gildas" == Gildas Perrot <perrot@francenet.fr> writes:

Gildas> Hi everybody, I am using XEmacs 19.14 (I got the binary
Gildas> version for BSD/OS 2.1).  When I try to print by using the
Gildas> "Print" button, I have the error message :

Gildas> pr: illegal option --f

Gildas> In fact, on BSD/OS 2.1, pr doesn't accept -f as a flag but
Gildas> -F. How can I modify the command executed by pressing the
Gildas> "Print" button ?

Examine the variable lpr-page-header-switches.  You want to do
something like:

(setq lpr-page-header-switches '("-F"))

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In article <joshi.840005163@sal>, joshi@cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi) wrote:

> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
> 
> >I've been getting a lot of feedback saying people want something like elisp, 
> >and I can see merit in many of their arguments. I still think some degree of 
> >seperation between the extensible editor and the extension language(s) would 
> >be a good idea, but a language that works with the editor like yacc
works with 
> >lex could give us the best of both worlds. If this language could be 
> >interpereted during development and then compiled to java bytecodes for 
> >production, better still.
> 
> >Seperate, but tightly integrated. I think that's the way to go. What do you 
> >think?
> 
> Why do you want a separate language for extensions? If you have the same
language for both development
> and extension,
> you would be able to do something ilke 
> 
> interpret(mymacro);
> 
> and mymacro would be interpreted in the current editor environment.

Why would you seperate this from your OS?

you would be able to do something ilke 
 
interpret(mymacro);
 
and mymacro would be interpreted in the current OS environment.

This is called Zmacs and runs on Symbolics Lisp machines.

Rainer Joswig

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From: Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>
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>>>>> "Gail" == Gail Mara Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com> writes:
    Gail> I frequently have a problem in Gnus under XEmacs in which I select a
    Gail> group to read and get a message saying something like "You have
    Gail> selected a buffer that has been deleted or does not exist" (not sure
    Gail> of the exact wording). The way I've been dealing with this is to
    Gail> just exit and restart Gnus.

Wow...it happened again. In fact, here's the actual message:

	Selecting deleted or non-existent buffer.

I finished writing the message that I'm quoting and then I couldn't
do anything in Gnus without getting that message. I had to exit and
restart Gnus in order to post this.

Grrr.

-- 
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Golly, I'm so shocked that http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/links/links.html
doesn't point to http://www.xemacs.org/.  I wonder why.

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There is a problem with byte compiling auto-save.el for Solaris 2.4,
Sparcworks. This problem does not exist for the recent Linux version.

Is there a newer Solaris 2.4 distribution than the original?

Thanks.


Here is the backtrace:

Signalling: (void-variable From)
  load-internal("auto-save" nil t nil)
  load("auto-save" nil t nil)
  require(auto-save)
  eval((require (quote auto-save)))
  eval-interactive((require (quote auto-save)))
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)


-- 
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Can anybody explain why display-time-string has the 0.01 appended?

`display-time-string'

Variable:

	value: "4:01pm 0.01"


Thanks.

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>>>>> "Todd" == Todd Haverkos <ra1762@email.sps.mot.com> writes:

> Is there a function available in xemacs 19.13 to send the current
> buffer out to Netscape for previewing (similar to the way VM can pop
> netscape when you click on a URL in a mail message).

> I've tried w3-preview-this-buffer, but it uses xemacs own internal web
> browser.

Look at the html-helper-mode (I forget exactly what its called) in the
lisp/hm--html-menus directory.
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In order to change the pointer shape in Xemacs-19.14 write the following in
your .emacs:

; Change the shape of the pointer in the window both on text and on
; blanks outside it. Possible names are :
; xterm (the default), dot, sb_h_double_arrow, sb_v_double_arrow,
; sb_up(down)_arrow, left(right)_ptr, watch, and many more.

(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph "left_ptr")
(set-glyph-image nontext-pointer-glyph "cross")

Greetings,

R. Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
CH-5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch (please notice that the e-mail address posted by our
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Somebody reported a malfunctioning of the completion via the tab key.
Maybe this is the same problem I had some time ago when I found the
following line in my .xemacs-options (which works all right)

  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame)

changed to

  (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'hkey-help-show)

by some mysterious reason. I always got an error concerning the function
'hkey-help-show (C-h l didn't work, for example). Although I do not know
how, the change must have occurred after I tried some Emacs (i.e., not
Xemacs) code taken from a help (?) newsgroup.
Hence, whoever posted the question may check whether this was the problem.

Greetings,

R. Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
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> Eva is a very nice name.  I would imagine that if the FSF would pick
> up on the idea, they would probably call it "Adam" <grin>.

	Wasn't there Eva named editor in VAX/VMS? 
	
- SR

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It's again that time of the month when I feel I must contribute
something to the list... -:)

Here are two minor enhancements that some may find useful:

1. Colorize, in red, files that are marked for deletion.
2. Bind 'V' and middle mouse button to invoke VM on the mail folder under
   mouse. Useful when dired'ing a folder directory (e.g. ~/Mail).

----------- 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 ----------

(or (find-face 'red-font-face)
    (make-face 'red-font-face))

(set-face-foreground  'red-font-face                "Red")

;; Add this to font-lock setup for dired mode. Whole setup is left
;; as an exercise to the reader...

(setq dired-font-lock-keywords
      '(
	("^D .*" 0 red-font-face)   ;; entries marked for deletion
	))

----------- 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ----------

;; Bind 'V' and button 2 in dired-mode to run VM on selected file.

(defun AJK::dired-do-vm ()
  "Run 'vm-visit-folder' on the current filename."
  (interactive)
  (let (from-file)
    (setq from-file (dired-get-filename))
    (vm-visit-folder from-file)))

(defun AJK::dired-do-vm-same ()
  (interactive)
  (require 'vm)
  (let (ttg)	
    (setq ttg vm-frame-per-folder)
    (setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
    (AJK::dired-do-vm)
    (setq vm-frame-per-folder ttg)))

(define-key dired-mode-map "V"       'AJK::dired-do-vm)
(define-key dired-mode-map [button2] 'AJK::dired-do-vm-same)

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From: Bertram Ludaescher <ludaesch@sicily.informatik.uni-freiburg.de>
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Subject: xemacs19.14 does not save (font-lock) options
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Hi,

I'm using xemacs-19.14 with font-lock syntax highlighting (colors).
After using 'Edit Faces' from the 'Options'-menu, xemacs-19.14 reports
to have written to .emacs -- however I only find the lines
     ;; Options Menu Settings
     ;; =====================
     (cond
     ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
     (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
     (or (and
     (= emacs-major-version 19)
     (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
     (= emacs-major-version 20))
     (fboundp 'load-options-file))
     (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
     ;; ============================
     ;; End of Options Menu Settings

!!The next time I start xemacs, all the changes I've made to the faces
are gone!!  

How can I tell xemacs to (re)use my edited faces?

BTW: Are there any fancy vm/dired/mail-mode fontifications out there?

Thanks.


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>>>>> " " == Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:

   > urs@cs.ucsb.edu (Urs Hoelzle) writes:
  >> The one reproducible case I have involves an NFS-automounted
  >> directory (lets call it /fs/foo) with two files README and
  >> ReleaseNotes.  A find-file of /fs/foo/R followed by TAB
  >> (almost) always breaks (i.e. inserts spaces rather than showing
  >> the two files in a completion buffer).

  > Could it be that on the times it doesn't work, you are actually
  > pressing Shift-Tab? The Shift-Tab key actually inserts a tab
  > instead of doing completions. Since you're seeing the problem
  > with files that start with an uppercase R, I would bet that
  > you're still holding down the shift key when you press tab. On
  > the times that it succeeds, you've taken your finger off of the
  > shift key.
No, that's definitely not the reason. I experienced the same problem
with 19.14 (on linux 1.2.13) and I'm absolutely sure that I didn't
press the shift key while pressing the TAB key. The problem also
occurs also for lower case keys, anyway. I don't have a NFS on my
linux box, so it has nothing to do with NFS.

Cheers,
Peter

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From: pcrowley@csl.co.uk (Paul Crowley)
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Emacs isn't really a text editor, it's an operating system.  Our
standard operating systems don't provide enough ways for our
processes to talk to each other, so Emacs wraps the whole thing up
into a Lisp interpreter and encourages us to make things happen by
calling Lisp functions from other modules.

By operating system I don't mean "kernel" (which should be as small as
possible), I mean the substrate on which our applications sit (which
includes things like lock file conventions, window system, .rc files
and environment variables with standard meanings), which should be
rich enough for the applications to know what to expect of each other
in subtle tasks.

You can tell it's an operating system because most of the things I use
a computer for have been integrated and/or re-implemented in Emacs so
that they interoperate with the other tools, and the others are things
it would be nice to see re-implemented.

However, it uses cooperative multi-tasking, has no memory protection,
and no permissions system; it's bad at dealing with things outside its
own process space.

What we really need is a sufficiently rich operating system, perhaps
like Emacs built on top of other tools like Unix and X, which provides
a high-level language suited for using its facilities, but that is
written from the ground up to be an operating system, so it can
support all the permissions-locked interoperability we need.

When we've finished, we can port it to the Hurd.  Not the Hurd Unix
emulator, but the Hurd direct, so it can really be a new operating
system while retaining its power to interoperate with Unix and other
systems.

It'd be worth it for the multithreading alone.
-- 
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\/ o\ Paul Crowley
/\__/ pcrowley@csl.co.uk

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From: swhatley@blkbox.com (Steven Whatley)
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Subject: Re: Adding Ccolumn Counter to Modeline?
Date: 15 Aug 1996 14:07:53 GMT
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Darren Toler (kittiara@ghgcorp.com) wrote:
: I would like to add a column counter to the mode line next to the line
: counter but I haven't been able to figure out how!

I put the following in my .emacs file:

(column-number-mode t)
(line-number-mode t)
(setq-default modeline-format
              (list (purecopy "")
                    (cons modeline-modified-extent
                          'modeline-modified)
                    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
                          'modeline-buffer-identification)
                    (purecopy "   ")
                    'global-mode-string
                    (purecopy "   %[(")
                    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
                          (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist))
                    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
                    'modeline-process
                    (purecopy ")%]---")
                    (purecopy '(column-number-mode "%[(%c, "))
                    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "%l)%]---"))
                    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
                    (purecopy "-%-")))

Hope this helps.

Later,
Steven
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Kent Rutan (rutan@cat.com) wrote:
: Jim Searle (jims@broadcom.com) wrote:
: > Xemacs is core dumping ocassionally on some commands like gnuclient,
: > 'vm' which open new frames.
:
: Is there anything we can do to stop this core dump problem?

I get a core dump when I do a c-x 5 2 wnd I'm in a buffer that is in 
perl-mode.  I'm also running the HPUX 9.05 verson of Xemacs.

Later,
Steven
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.10) of Thu Aug  8 1996 on mordor

When starting xemacs with -q -nw, it tries to edit a file named -nw.
I didn't see anything in the documentation that states that all
options after -q are considered arguments.

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.10) of Thu Aug  8 1996 on mordor

When running hanoi at level 8, it doesn't finish, either in X-windows
mode, or tty mode.  I'm not really complaining that hanoi doesn't
finish, I just think someone should look into why.

Repeat by invoking xemacs in either x-windows, or tty mode (I used the
-q option also) then C-u 8 M-x hanoi.

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From: Karthik Muthukrishnan <karthikm@casc.com>
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Subject: Customizing C/C++ indentation
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After looking thru the xemacs FAQ, doing help on edit-options etc in
xemacs, I reamin frustrated about how to customize indentation in
xemacs. I tried using c-offsets-alist and ran into syntax problems.

If anyone out there has successfully done this, please reply to me by 
email and post to this newsgroup. I would be glad to summarize it for
the FAQ, if neccessary.

Thanks very much for all your help.

-karthik

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I have recently switched from emacs19.28 to xemacs19.14.

While using emacs19.28, I was able to add this statement to my .emacs
file :

;; Doesn't work with xemacs19.14, why?
(setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+")

Whenever I printed the emacs19.28 buffer, the "-o2+" option got passed
into the print
command resulting with my desired print format; 2 images, side-by-side
on a single
sheet of print paper. 

The equilvalent HP-UX command line statement is: "lp -dprinter_name -o2+
file_name".

Switching to xemacs19.14 has resulted with the "-o2+" option NOT being
passed into
the print command resulting in a single, full-size image on a single
sheet of print
paper.

The equilvalent HP-UX command line statement is now: "lp -dprinter_name
file_name".

My expierments with the printer variables "lpr-*" that I'm aware of,
have so far
failed in regards to my attempts to pass the "-o2+" option to the print
command.

Does anyone have advice to this problem?

I ftp-ed the xemacs19.14 executables from the
ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/ site.
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>>>>> Steven Nunez writes:

  Steven> Does anyone know of a way to convince VM to deal properly
  Steven> with base64 encoding? ...

For decoding MIME messages, there is rmime.el (small, uses and
requires Metamail) and tools for mime (tm, doesn't use Metamail
AFAIK).  Both integrate with VM and both work.

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>>>>> "Sami" == Sami Rantala <Sami.Rantala@kone.com> writes:

>> Eva is a very nice name.  I would imagine that if the FSF would pick
>> up on the idea, they would probably call it "Adam" <grin>.

Sami> 	Wasn't there Eva named editor in VAX/VMS? 
	
Nope, but close.  It is called EVE (Extensible VAX Editor) but is an
Emacs work- alike written in BLISS (?) and a proprietary DEC scripting
language.  EVE was instrumental in switching me from Emacs clones to
real Emacs :-).
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>>>>> "Luis" == Luis Fernandes <elf@ee.ryerson.ca> writes:

Luis> I've just installed the latest 19.14 on an ultra under Solaris
Luis> 2.5 and when I start it up I'm getting those osfXXX keyboard
Luis> translation warnings.

Luis> 19.13 is installed too and it doesn't do that; I couldn't find
Luis> anything in the News file about this. Did I miss anything in the
Luis> fool-proof installation? I'm holding off announcing it until this is
Luis> solved.

There's a question in the XEmacs FAQ regarding this:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_1_3

does it help?

Luis> [Aside: thanks to xemacs and all the gui interfaces to all the
Luis> customizations and apps, I do not have the power I used to have
Luis> around here. Before xemacs, I was the emacs guru; I installed emacs;
Luis> people came to me for answers; I had all the cool customizations;
Luis> people copied my .emacs file; people worshipped me. Now I'm just
Luis> another foo hacker... *sigh*]

Don't they know who did the graphics in Gnus, especially the cool logo?
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Subject: Re: Customizing C/C++ indentation


> I reamin frustrated about how to customize indentation in
> xemacs. I tried using c-offsets-alist and ran into syntax problems.
> 
> If anyone out there has successfully done this, please reply to me by 
> email and post to this newsgroup. I would be glad to summarize it for
> the FAQ, if neccessary.
> 

This is something I  wrote to help my fellow coworkers here at Oracle to
cope with c-offsets-alist in cc-mode. Hope this might help.


(defun c-set-oracle-coding-style ()
  "Set C style compliant with Oracle Coding Standards and plain 
   Common Sense beyond it.
When added to `c-mode-common-hook' any of {c,c++,objc}-mode-hook,
the style will be enforced in any buffer opened with XEmacs 19.X.

To add this hook: (add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'c-set-oracle-coding-style)

If you're not happy with the way a particular line is indented, 
do the following:

(1) Position cursor on the troublesome line and press C-c C-o
(2) the prompt in minibuffer will advice you the name of the property; remember it.
(3) enter Return
(4) the prompt will show the CURRENT value of the property. 
    Enter the new value:
    0 for no extra shift, 
    + for one more indent shift, 
    - for one indent shift in left direction
    number N for N positions - could be positive or negative
    enter RETURN
(5) test the result by pressing TAB
(6) repeat steps (1)...(5) if needed
(7) edit body of this function (c-set-oracle-coding-style) by 
    either edition an existing entry in between ;; BEGIN STYLE and ;; END STYLE
    or adding an extra line specifying the new style entry.
(8) Evaluate the function definition either with Button3 menu or by pressing C-M-x

"
  (setq c-basic-offset 2)
  (mapcar 
   (function
    (lambda (elt)
      (let* ((style (car elt))
	     (descrip (cadr elt))
	     (s (assoc style c-offsets-alist)))
	(if s
	    (setcdr s descrip)
	  (setq c-offsets-alist (cons (cons style descrip)
				    c-offsets-alist))))))
    '(;; BEGIN STYLE
      (knr-argdecl-intro  0)     ;; OCCS: left-aligned func-args
      (substatement-open  0)     ;; OCCS: open-brace under if/for/while
      (statement-case-open  0)   ;; OCCS: open-brace inside CASE statement
      (label +)
      (statement-block-intro  +)
      (statement-cont +)
      (topmost-intro  0)
      (topmost-intro-cont +)
      ;; END STYLE
      )))

;; (c-set-oracle-coding-style)
(if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
    (add-hook (quote c-mode-common-hook) 'c-set-oracle-coding-style))



Dmitry

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From: eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil)
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 pcrowley@csl.co.uk  wrote:
>Emacs isn't really a text editor, it's an operating system.  Our
>standard operating systems don't provide enough ways for our
>processes to talk to each other, so Emacs wraps the whole thing up
>into a Lisp interpreter and encourages us to make things happen by
>calling Lisp functions from other modules.

Hah! So you ADMIT that emacs is an operating system! I've always suspected as 
much!  ;-)

Using that metaphore, Java is an "operating system" as well. That is what they 
mean when they say "Java the platform". An extensible editor for Java would 
not need to implement it's own internal "operating system", because Java will 
be sufficient for that purpose.

>By operating system I don't mean "kernel" (which should be as small as
>possible), I mean the substrate on which our applications sit (which
>includes things like lock file conventions, window system, .rc files
>and environment variables with standard meanings), which should be
>rich enough for the applications to know what to expect of each other
>in subtle tasks.

Java doesn't have it's own file-locking yet, but nothing stands in the way of 
implementing it. For windows, it has the AWT, which should get a make-over 
soon. Instead of .rc files and environment variables, it has "system 
properties".

>You can tell it's an operating system because most of the things I use
>a computer for have been integrated and/or re-implemented in Emacs so
>that they interoperate with the other tools, and the others are things
>it would be nice to see re-implemented.

Getting Java objects to interoperate is easy and fun.

>However, it uses cooperative multi-tasking, has no memory protection,
>and no permissions system; it's bad at dealing with things outside its
>own process space.

Java has pre-emptive threads (which can be made time-sliced without native 
OS support simply by implementing a high-priority thread which periodically 
wakes up, shuffles the order of lower priority threads, and goes back to 
sleep)

Java implements memory protection without even reqiring hardware support, 
through language enforced array-bounds checking and restricted pointer 
arithmetic.

Java has the foundation for any security policy you can imagine: by 
subclassing java.lang.SecurityManager, you can gain complete control over what 
classes or threads have access to files and other system resources.

With technologies like ActiveX integration, Java will be extremely good at 
dealing with things outside it's own process space.

A free JIT implementation of Java, called Kaffe, is already available, as well 
as a compiler named Guavac. The last peice of the puzzle, the 
free standard class-library substitute named Kreem, is in the works.
Soon we will have a completely free Java "operating system".

-Eugene

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From: Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: EVE editor
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 17:36:20 BST
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
	
Steve>  Nope, but close. It is called EVE (Extensible VAX Editor) but
Steve>  is an Emacs work- alike written in BLISS (?) and a proprietary
Steve>  DEC scripting language. EVE was instrumental in switching me
Steve>  from Emacs clones to real Emacs :-).

Speaking about EVE... I still miss one feature of EVE (and EDT as
well), which was very useful, I think. When you do "cursor down" in a
EDT buffer, the editor start scrolling when you reach the Nth line
from the bottom of the screen, where N is a variable. The same for
scrolling up, of course.

Chuck, Ben, is there any chance of implementing this feature at low
level in 19.15? I simulate it now using post-command-hook (see the
code below), but it is so SLOW...  

(defvar top-margin 3)
(defvar bottom-margin 4)

(defun check-margin ()
  (let ((window (selected-window)))
    (if (not (window-minibuffer-p window))
	(let* ((position (progn (set-buffer (window-buffer)) (point)))
	       (wstart (window-start)) (wbottl (- (window-height) 2))
	       (topshift (- (max 0 (min top-margin (- wbottl 1)))))
	       (diff (- (min topshift (- bottom-margin wbottl)) topshift)))
	  (vertical-motion topshift)
	  (if (cond
	       ((> wstart (point)))
	       ((= wstart (point)) nil)
	       ((or (= diff 0)
		    (save-restriction
		      (narrow-to-region wstart (point-max))
		      (vertical-motion diff)
		      (< wstart (point))))))
	      (set-window-start window (point)))
	  (goto-char position)))
))

(add-hook    'post-command-hook 'check-margin)

Regards,
Dima.
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I just wanted to point out that the FSF does not scoff XEmacs, and
wanted as a proof to show you the excerpt from the Emacs FAQ. However,
it has changed from the original 19.30 one (where it was stated that
XEmacs was designed from the start for X, supported graphics
in-buffer, proportional fonts and some other things, and that it was
different in some aspect from Emacs). Well, turns out that 19.31 just
carries

82:  What is the difference between Emacs and XEmacs (formerly "Lucid
     Emacs")? 

   XEmacs is a modified version of GNU Emacs.

   A comparison between the two versions, written by the XEmacs
   maintainers, had been included here.  Richard Stallman removed it
   from this copy of the FAQ because it was unfair.  It was (1)
   one-sided, listing only advantages of XEmacs and not advantages of
   the principal version of Emacs, (2) biased, stating the opinions
   of the XEmacs maintainers, and (3) out of date, listing as advantages of
   XEmacs features which in fact both versions have.

Well, I am pretty certain that this situation has changed by now
(19.33) because most certainly RMS would not want to appear as
childish is the XEmacs maintainers in their FAQ.

After all, what sense is there in missing an opportunity to state
ones' own point of view? Like: "Emacs tends to run quite a bit faster
than XEmacs and uses lots less of memory and disk space." "Emacs tends
to be a bit more stable." or so.

As far as I remember, the summary included before for XEmacs was
pretty much correct in its comparison of features.
-- 
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When I tried to run it, XEmacs 19.14 immediately hung the X server
(X11R6) on my Solaris 2.4 box.

If anyone knows why, please e-mail me at dave@universe.digex.net.
TIA.

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>>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:

> I agree that if we are to promote Eva's ability to download extensions from
> the web, these extensions must run inside a safe "sandbox" model, and only
> affect the outside world through well-defined interfaces. Thankfully, a lot
> of good work has already gone into this sort of thing, for the benifit of
> applets.

> Read up on java.lang.SecurityManager if you are interested in more details.
> You will find that 99% of the work is already done for us!

I guess I will have to...

I now see that there is a "Javi" (JAva based VI) to go with "Jine" (BAW's Jine
Is Not Emacs -- I like the sound of that better than "Eva").  See it at:

	http://www.emi.net/~jjensen/java/javi.html

Let the editor wars begin...!
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From: Vladimir Lobak <vels@vdo.co.il>
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Subject: Re: Startup font error messages
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Natalie Kershaw wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Does anyone know how to stop the following messages appearing at xemacs
> startup? I realise that it is probably something to do with having an X
> font resource set to something that xemacs could do a lot with. Does
> anyone have a list of the resources, and appropriate values to set them
> to?
> 
>  (1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
> "-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"
> 
> (2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
> "-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"
> 
> (3) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold version of
> "-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--17-128-72-72-m-90-hp-roman8"

Here it is (X resources):

Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont:
Emacs.italic.attributeFont:
Emacs.bold.attributeFont:

You also may need theese:

Emacs.bold.attributeForeground:
Emacs.italic.attributeForeground:
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeForeground:


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During linking the Xemacs on HP-UX 10.01 I get the following	
error: Can't find library for -lAlib
And indeed there isnt such a lib. But what is it needed for
and how can i configure to work arround?	
Bye
Gregor Frey

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From: peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger)
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Hi.  It would be wonderful if someone could answer this, even to 
say "I don't think that's doable."

I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in mh-e
mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).

Someone please tell me this is possible, and more to the point,
how to do it!

Thanks,

Peter


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To: peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger)
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Clickable URL's? Please! I beg you! 
In-reply-to: Your message of "15 Aug 1996 14:03:27 EDT."
             <4uvopf$2a0@hoopoe.psc.edu> 
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:26:08 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    Peter> Hi.  It would be wonderful if someone could answer this,
    Peter> even to say "I don't think that's doable."

    Peter> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in
    Peter> mh-e mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).


(setq highlight-headers-follow-url-function 'highlight-headers-follow-url-netscape)
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (highlight-headers (point-min)
							    (point-max) t)))



			-Chuck

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To: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Re: Clickable URL's? Please! I beg you! 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:26:08 CDT."
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:32:08 -0400
From: Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu>

>     Peter> Hi.  It would be wonderful if someone could answer this,
>     Peter> even to say "I don't think that's doable."
> 
>     Peter> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in
>     Peter> mh-e mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).
> 
> 
> (setq highlight-headers-follow-url-function 'highlight-headers-follow-url-netscape)
> (add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (highlight-headers (point-min)
> 							    (point-max) t)))

Thank you!

is there a corresponding function to send it to w3 instead of
netscape?  I couldn't find one...



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From: geb2@oit.duke.edu (Gretta Bartels)
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Subject: installing xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.3
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I'm trying to install xemacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.3 system with a
non-standard directory structure.  It configures and makes just fine,
and when I run it out of ./src/src -- that is, "in place" -- that also
works.  However, when I run make install it complains that it can't
find the doc and lock directories.

When I ran ./configure, I first specified only --prefix and
--exec-prefix, and had even more errors after doing the "make install"
than I do now.  After running configure with just about every option
of form --foo-dir set and recompiling, I've managed to whittle it down
to the doc and lock problems.

The exact error message upon running xemacs is:

-----------------
WARNING:
couldn't find an obvious default for doc-directory and lock-directory, and
there were no defaults specified in paths.h when XEmacs was built.  Perhaps
some directories don't exist, or the XEmacs executable,
/afs/acpub/pkg/xemacs-19.14/sun4m_53/bin/xemacs is in a strange place?.

Without lock-directory set, file locking won't work.  Consider creating
/usr/pkg/xemacs-19.14/sun4m_53/xemacs/lock as a directory or symbolic link
for use as the lock directory.  (This directory must be globally writable.)
-----------------

Interesting notes: PATH_LOCK is indeed defined in paths.h, to be
/var/tmp.  There is some contention that perhaps this particular path
has to end in a slash, so I am currently in the process of rebuilding
it with --lock-dir=/var/tmp/, as odd as that sounds.

As for doc-directory, I configured for
--doc-dir=/afs/acpub/pkg/xemacs-19.14/share/doc, but that directory
was never even created by make install.  I am not certain what exactly
it wants from the doc directory -- the info files, for instance, have
their own directory.  Again, there is some contention that the
environment variable EMACSDOC should be set appropriately, but since
I'm not even sure what "appropriate" would be, I don't know what to
set it to.

Any insights into these problems would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Gretta Bartels




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Just got back from out of town, but I don't think anyone has responded
to this (oldish) thread.

>> Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last command).  I'm
>> sure someone has found an analogue. There is a dot-mode function, but it
>> is undocumented, so thTs line in my .emacs file doesn't help:  (autoload
>> 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)

Dot-mode is pretty cool.  I have it set up as such in my .emacs file:

;; Enable dot-mode; there's probably a more appropriate hook to use
;; for this.
(require 'dot-mode)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks '(lambda () (dot-mode t)))

Then C-. will repeat the last bunch of commands you did.  Very vi-ish.


Paul said:
> The trouble with "." (and I do have a vague idea what this one does)
> is that, because emacs is modeless there is no clear idea of what "the
> last insert" was. 

Dot-mode works by remembering all keystrokes that don't involve cursor
movement.  This does what I want it to all of the time, especially once I
knew that this was how it worked.

Hope this helps.



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>>>>> "Jimmy" == Jimmy Sfaelos <jsfaelos@hpbs3125.boi.hp.com> writes:

Jimmy> I have recently switched from emacs19.28 to xemacs19.14.
Jimmy> While using emacs19.28, I was able to add this statement to my .emacs
Jimmy> file :

Jimmy> ;; Doesn't work with xemacs19.14, why?
Jimmy> (setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+")

(Except for sundry comment changes, and a PC DOS binary pipe fix,
lpr.el in XEmacs 19.14 is sync'ed with GNU Emacs 19.33 lpr.el).

lpr-headers-switches is documented as being a ``List of strings to use
as options for `lpr' to request page headings.''

Why don't you try:
(setq lpr-headers-switches '("-o2+"))
instead?
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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> >>>>> "EO" == Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> writes:
> 
>     EO> "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but "Eva" is nice and short, is a
>     EO> recognisable name, and is currently my favorite. What do you
>     EO> think?
> 
> No, it _has_ to be called `Jine'  (Jine Is Not Emacs)  :-)

No no no no....

Jinx  ==>  Jinx is not XEmacs

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Dear all,

I enclose the revised version of gdb.el and gdbsrc.el.  This is revised from the version distributed in xemacs 19-14.  Brief descriptions of the changes are:

gdb.el:
;;   08-aug-96  Hung V. Bui (hvb@netrix.com)
;;     Add the Finish toolbar icon.
;;     Add gdb command line option variable.
;;     Bind C-c C-c to comint-interrupt-subjob
;;     Add gdb-abbrev-mode

gdbsrc.el:
;;   08-aug-95  Hung V. Bui (hvb@netrix.com)
;;     Add the Finish toolbar icon.
;;     Keep cursor in source window after print command
;;     Fix bug in cursor does not stay at end of the gdb window
;;     First gdbsrc session will fail with error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"


Please test the new version and post any anomallies to this newsgroup and the authors above.

Chuck, if there is no negative response, could you please include these changes to xemacs-19.15. Thanks.

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;;; gdb.el --- run gdb under Emacs

;; Author: W. Schelter, University of Texas
;;     wfs@rascal.ics.utexas.edu
;; Rewritten by rms.
;; Keywords: c, unix, tools, debugging

;; Some ideas are due to Masanobu.

;; This file is part of XEmacs.

;; XEmacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
;; under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; XEmacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
;; General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with XEmacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free
;; Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;
;; History:
;;
;;   08-aug-96  Hung V. Bui (hvb@netrix.com)
;;     Add the Finish toolbar icon.
;;     Add gdb command line option variable.
;;     Bind C-c C-c to comint-interrupt-subjob
;;     Add gdb-abbrev-mode

;; Description of GDB interface:

;; A facility is provided for the simultaneous display of the source code
;; in one window, while using gdb to step through a function in the
;; other.  A small arrow in the source window, indicates the current
;; line.

;; Starting up:

;; In order to use this facility, invoke the command GDB to obtain a
;; shell window with the appropriate command bindings.  You will be asked
;; for the name of a file to run.  Gdb will be invoked on this file, in a
;; window named *gdb-foo* if the file is foo.

;; M-s steps by one line, and redisplays the source file and line.

;; You may easily create additional commands and bindings to interact
;; with the display.  For example to put the gdb command next on \M-n
;; (def-gdb next "\M-n")

;; This causes the emacs command gdb-next to be defined, and runs
;; gdb-display-frame after the command.

;; gdb-display-frame is the basic display function.  It tries to display
;; in the other window, the file and line corresponding to the current
;; position in the gdb window.  For example after a gdb-step, it would
;; display the line corresponding to the position for the last step.  Or
;; if you have done a backtrace in the gdb buffer, and move the cursor
;; into one of the frames, it would display the position corresponding to
;; that frame.

;; gdb-display-frame is invoked automatically when a filename-and-line-number
;; appears in the output.

(require 'comint)
(require 'shell)

(condition-case nil
    (if (featurep 'toolbar)
	(require 'eos-toolbar "sun-eos-toolbar"))
  (error nil))

(defvar gdb-last-frame)
(defvar gdb-delete-prompt-marker)
(defvar gdb-filter-accumulator)
(defvar gdb-last-frame-displayed-p)
(defvar gdb-arrow-extent nil)
(or (fboundp 'make-glyph) (fset 'make-glyph 'identity)) ; work w/ pre beta v12
(defvar gdb-arrow-glyph (make-glyph "=>"))

(make-face 'gdb-arrow-face)
(or (face-differs-from-default-p 'gdb-arrow-face)
   ;; Usually has a better default value than highlight does
   (copy-face 'isearch 'gdb-arrow-face))

;; Hooks can side-effect extent arg to change extent properties
(defvar gdb-arrow-extent-hooks '())

(defvar gdb-prompt-pattern "^>\\|^(.*gdb[+]?) *\\|^---Type <return> to.*--- *"
  "A regexp to recognize the prompt for gdb or gdb+.") 

(defvar gdb-mode-map nil
  "Keymap for gdb-mode.")
(defvar gdb-mode-abbrev-table nil
  "Abbrev table in use in gdb-mode buffers.")
(define-abbrev-table 'gdb-mode-abbrev-table ())

(defvar gdb-toolbar
  '([eos::toolbar-stop-at-icon
     gdb-toolbar-break
     t
     "Stop at selected position"]
    [eos::toolbar-stop-in-icon
     gdb-toolbar-break
     t
     "Stop in function whose name is selected"]
    [eos::toolbar-clear-at-icon
     gdb-toolbar-clear
     t
     "Clear at selected position"]
    [eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
     nil
     nil
     "Evaluate selected expression; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
    [eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
     nil
     nil
     "Evaluate selected expression as a pointer; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
    [eos::toolbar-run-icon
     gdb-run
     t
     "Run current program"]
    [eos::toolbar-cont-icon
     gdb-cont
     t
     "Continue current program"]
    [eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
     gdb-step
     t
     "Step into (aka step)"]
    [eos::toolbar-finish-icon
     gdb-finish
     t
     "Finish (aka finish)"]
    [eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
     gdb-next
     t
     "Step over (aka next)"]
    [eos::toolbar-up-icon
     gdb-up
     t
     "Stack Up (towards \"cooler\" - less recently visited - frames)"]
    [eos::toolbar-down-icon
     gdb-down
     t
     "Stack Down (towards \"warmer\" - more recently visited - frames)"]
    [eos::toolbar-fix-icon	nil	nil	"Fix (not available with gdb)"]
    [eos::toolbar-build-icon
     toolbar-compile
     t
     "Build (aka make -NYI)"]
    ))

(if gdb-mode-map
   nil
  (setq gdb-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap))
  (set-keymap-name gdb-mode-map 'gdb-mode-map)
  (set-keymap-parents gdb-mode-map (list comint-mode-map))
  (define-key gdb-mode-map "\C-l" 'gdb-refresh)
  (define-key gdb-mode-map "\C-c\C-c" 'comint-interrupt-subjob)
  (define-key gdb-mode-map "\t" 'comint-dynamic-complete)
  (define-key gdb-mode-map "\M-?" 'comint-dynamic-list-completions))

(define-key ctl-x-map " " 'gdb-break)
(define-key ctl-x-map "&" 'send-gdb-command)

;;Of course you may use `def-gdb' with any other gdb command, including
;;user defined ones.   

(defmacro def-gdb (name key &optional doc &rest forms)
  (let* ((fun (intern (format "gdb-%s" name)))
	 (cstr (list 'if '(not (= 1 arg))
		     (list 'format "%s %s" name 'arg)
		     name)))
    (list 'progn
	  (nconc (list 'defun fun '(arg)
		       (or doc "")
		       '(interactive "p")
		       (list 'gdb-call cstr))
		 forms)
	  (and key (list 'define-key 'gdb-mode-map key  (list 'quote fun))))))

(def-gdb "step"   "\M-s" "Step one source line with display"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb "stepi"  "\M-i" "Step one instruction with display"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb "finish" "\C-c\C-f" "Finish executing current function"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb "run" nil "Run the current program"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))

;;"next" and "cont" were bound to M-n and M-c in Emacs 18, but these are
;;poor choices, since M-n is used for history navigation and M-c is
;;capitalize-word.  These are defined without key bindings so that users
;;may choose their own bindings.
(def-gdb "next"   "\C-c\C-n" "Step one source line (skip functions)"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb "cont"   "\C-c\M-c" "Proceed with the program"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))

(def-gdb "up"     "\C-c<" "Go up N stack frames (numeric arg) with display")
(def-gdb "down"   "\C-c>" "Go down N stack frames (numeric arg) with display")

(defvar gdb-display-mode nil
  "Minor mode for gdb frame display")
(or (assq 'gdb-display-mode minor-mode-alist)
    (setq minor-mode-alist
	  (purecopy
	   (append minor-mode-alist
		   '((gdb-display-mode " Frame"))))))

(defun gdb-display-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle GDB Frame display mode
With arg, turn display mode on if and only if arg is positive.
In the display minor mode, source file are displayed in another
window for repective \\[gdb-display-frame] commands."
  (interactive "P")
  (setq gdb-display-mode (if (null arg)
			     (not gdb-display-mode)
			   (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))


(defun gdb-mode ()
  "Major mode for interacting with an inferior Gdb process.
The following commands are available:

\\{gdb-mode-map}

\\[gdb-display-frame] displays in the other window
the last line referred to in the gdb buffer. See also
\\[gdb-display-mode].

\\[gdb-step],\\[gdb-finish], \\[gdb-next], and \\[gdb-nexti] in the
gdb window, call gdb to step, finish, next or nexti and then update
the other window with the current file and position.

If you are in a source file, you may select a point to break
at, by doing \\[gdb-break].

Commands:
Many commands are inherited from comint mode. 
Additionally we have:

\\[gdb-display-frame] display frames file in other window
\\[gdb-step] advance one line in program
\\[send-gdb-command] used for special printing of an arg at the current point.
C-x SPACE sets break point at current line."
  (interactive)
  (comint-mode)
  (use-local-map gdb-mode-map)
  (set-syntax-table c-mode-syntax-table)
  (make-local-variable 'gdb-last-frame-displayed-p)
  (make-local-variable 'gdb-last-frame)
  (make-local-variable 'gdb-delete-prompt-marker)
  (make-local-variable 'gdb-display-mode)
  (make-local-variable' gdb-filter-accumulator)
  (setq gdb-last-frame nil
        gdb-delete-prompt-marker nil
        gdb-filter-accumulator nil
	gdb-display-mode t
        major-mode 'gdb-mode
        mode-name "Inferior GDB"
        local-abbrev-table gdb-mode-abbrev-table
        comint-prompt-regexp gdb-prompt-pattern
        gdb-last-frame-displayed-p t)
  (set (make-local-variable 'shell-dirtrackp) t)
  ;;(make-local-variable 'gdb-arrow-extent)
  (and (extentp gdb-arrow-extent)
       (delete-extent gdb-arrow-extent))
  (setq gdb-arrow-extent nil)
  ;; XEmacs change:
  (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
  (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdb-delete-arrow-extent nil t)
  (setq comint-input-sentinel 'shell-directory-tracker)
  (run-hooks 'gdb-mode-hook))

(defun gdb-delete-arrow-extent ()
  (let ((inhibit-quit t))
    (if gdb-arrow-extent
        (delete-extent gdb-arrow-extent))
    (setq gdb-arrow-extent nil)))

(defvar current-gdb-buffer nil)

;;;###autoload
(defvar gdb-command-name "gdb"
  "Pathname for executing gdb.")
(defvar gdb-command-options ""
  "User's specified options for executing gdb.")

;;;###autoload
(defun gdb (path &optional corefile)
  "Run gdb on program FILE in buffer *gdb-FILE*.
The directory containing FILE becomes the initial working directory
and source-file directory for GDB.  If you wish to change this, use
the GDB commands `cd DIR' and `directory'."
  (interactive "FRun gdb on file: ")
  (setq path (file-truename (expand-file-name path)))
  (let ((file (file-name-nondirectory path)))
    (switch-to-buffer (concat "*gdb-" file "*"))
    (setq default-directory (file-name-directory path))
    (or (bolp) (newline))
    (insert "Current directory is " default-directory "\n")
    (apply 'make-comint
	   (concat "gdb-" file)
	   (substitute-in-file-name gdb-command-name)
	   nil
	   "-fullname"
	   "-cd" default-directory
           gdb-command-options
	   file
	   (and corefile (list corefile)))
    (set-process-filter (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)) 'gdb-filter)
    (set-process-sentinel (get-buffer-process (current-buffer)) 'gdb-sentinel)
    ;; XEmacs change: turn on gdb mode after setting up the proc filters
    ;; for the benefit of shell-font.el
    (gdb-mode)
    (gdb-set-buffer)))

;;;####autoload
(defun gdb-with-core (file corefile)
  "Debug a program using a corefile."
  (interactive "fProgram to debug: \nfCore file to use: ")
  (gdb file corefile))

(defun gdb-set-buffer ()
  (cond ((eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)
	 (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
	 (if (featurep 'eos-toolbar)
	     (set-specifier default-toolbar (cons (current-buffer)
						  gdb-toolbar))))))


;; This function is responsible for inserting output from GDB
;; into the buffer.
;; Aside from inserting the text, it notices and deletes
;; each filename-and-line-number;
;; that GDB prints to identify the selected frame.
;; It records the filename and line number, and maybe displays that file.
(defun gdb-filter (proc string)
  (let ((inhibit-quit t))
    (save-current-buffer
     (set-buffer (process-buffer proc))
     (if gdb-filter-accumulator
	 (gdb-filter-accumulate-marker
	  proc (concat gdb-filter-accumulator string))
       (gdb-filter-scan-input proc string)))))

(defun gdb-filter-accumulate-marker (proc string)
  (setq gdb-filter-accumulator nil)
  (if (> (length string) 1)
      (if (= (aref string 1) ?\032)
	  (let ((end (string-match "\n" string)))
	    (if end
		(progn
		  (let* ((first-colon (string-match ":" string 2))
			 (second-colon
			  (string-match ":" string (1+ first-colon))))
		    (setq gdb-last-frame
			  (cons (substring string 2 first-colon)
				(string-to-int
				 (substring string (1+ first-colon)
					    second-colon)))))
		  (setq gdb-last-frame-displayed-p nil)
		  (gdb-filter-scan-input proc
					 (substring string (1+ end))))
	      (setq gdb-filter-accumulator string)))
	(gdb-filter-insert proc "\032")
	(gdb-filter-scan-input proc (substring string 1)))
    (setq gdb-filter-accumulator string)))

(defun gdb-filter-scan-input (proc string)
  (if (equal string "")
      (setq gdb-filter-accumulator nil)
    (let ((start (string-match "\032" string)))
      (if start
	  (progn (gdb-filter-insert proc (substring string 0 start))
		 (gdb-filter-accumulate-marker proc
					       (substring string start)))
	(gdb-filter-insert proc string)))))

(defun gdb-filter-insert (proc string)
  (let ((moving (= (point) (process-mark proc)))
	(output-after-point (< (point) (process-mark proc))))
    (save-excursion
      ;; Insert the text, moving the process-marker.
      (goto-char (process-mark proc))
      (insert-before-markers string)
      (set-marker (process-mark proc) (point))
      (gdb-maybe-delete-prompt)
      ;; Check for a filename-and-line number.
      (gdb-display-frame
       ;; Don't display the specified file
       ;; unless (1) point is at or after the position where output appears
       ;; and (2) this buffer is on the screen.
       (or output-after-point
           (not (get-buffer-window (current-buffer))))
       ;; Display a file only when a new filename-and-line-number appears.
       t))
    (if moving (goto-char (process-mark proc))))

  (let (s)
    (if (and (should-use-dialog-box-p)
	     (setq s (or (string-match " (y or n) *\\'" string)
			 (string-match " (yes or no) *\\'" string))))
	(gdb-mouse-prompt-hack (substring string 0 s) (current-buffer))))
  )

(defun gdb-mouse-prompt-hack (prompt buffer)
  (popup-dialog-box
   (list prompt
	 (vector "Yes"    (list 'gdb-mouse-prompt-hack-answer 't   buffer) t)
	 (vector "No"     (list 'gdb-mouse-prompt-hack-answer 'nil buffer) t)
	 nil
	 (vector "Cancel" (list 'gdb-mouse-prompt-hack-answer 'nil buffer) t)
	 )))

(defun gdb-mouse-prompt-hack-answer (answer buffer)
  (let ((b (current-buffer)))
    (unwind-protect
	(progn
	  (set-buffer buffer)
	  (goto-char (process-mark (get-buffer-process buffer)))
	  (delete-region (point) (point-max))
	  (insert (if answer "yes" "no"))
	  (comint-send-input))
      (set-buffer b))))

(defun gdb-sentinel (proc msg)
  (cond ((null (buffer-name (process-buffer proc)))
	 ;; buffer killed
	 ;; Stop displaying an arrow in a source file.
	 ;(setq overlay-arrow-position nil) -- done by kill-buffer-hook
	 (set-process-buffer proc nil))
	((memq (process-status proc) '(signal exit))
	 ;; Stop displaying an arrow in a source file.
         (gdb-delete-arrow-extent)
	 ;; Fix the mode line.
	 (setq modeline-process
	       (concat ": gdb " (symbol-name (process-status proc))))
	 (let* ((obuf (current-buffer)))
	   ;; save-excursion isn't the right thing if
	   ;;  process-buffer is current-buffer
	   (unwind-protect
	       (progn
		 ;; Write something in *compilation* and hack its mode line,
		 (set-buffer (process-buffer proc))
		 ;; Force mode line redisplay soon
		 (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))
		 (if (eobp)
		     (insert ?\n mode-name " " msg)
		   (save-excursion
		     (goto-char (point-max))
		     (insert ?\n mode-name " " msg)))
		 ;; If buffer and mode line will show that the process
		 ;; is dead, we can delete it now.  Otherwise it
		 ;; will stay around until M-x list-processes.
		 (delete-process proc))
	     ;; Restore old buffer, but don't restore old point
	     ;; if obuf is the gdb buffer.
	     (set-buffer obuf))))))


(defun gdb-refresh (&optional arg)
  "Fix up a possibly garbled display, and redraw the arrow."
  (interactive "P")
  (recenter arg)
  (gdb-display-frame))

(defun gdb-display-frame (&optional nodisplay noauto)
  "Find, obey and delete the last filename-and-line marker from GDB.
The marker looks like \\032\\032FILENAME:LINE:CHARPOS\\n.
Obeying it means displaying in another window the specified file and line."
  (interactive)
  (gdb-set-buffer)
  (and gdb-last-frame (not nodisplay)
       gdb-display-mode
       (or (not gdb-last-frame-displayed-p) (not noauto))
       (progn (gdb-display-line (car gdb-last-frame) (cdr gdb-last-frame))
	      (setq gdb-last-frame-displayed-p t))))

;; Make sure the file named TRUE-FILE is in a buffer that appears on the screen
;; and that its line LINE is visible.
;; Put the overlay-arrow on the line LINE in that buffer.

(defun gdb-display-line (true-file line &optional select-method)
  ;; FILE to display
  ;; LINE number to highlight and make visible
  ;; SELECT-METHOD 'source, 'debugger, or 'none.  (default is 'debugger)
  (and (null select-method) (setq select-method 'debugger))
  (let* ((pre-display-buffer-function nil) ; screw it, put it all in one screen
	 (pop-up-windows t)
	 (source-buffer (find-file-noselect true-file))
	 (source-window (display-buffer source-buffer))
	 (debugger-window (get-buffer-window current-gdb-buffer))
         (extent gdb-arrow-extent)
	 pos)
    ;; XEmacs change: make sure we find a window displaying the source file
    ;; even if we are already sitting in it when a breakpoint is hit.
    ;; Otherwise the t argument to display-buffer will prevent it from being
    ;; displayed.
    (save-excursion 
      (cond ((eq select-method 'debugger)
	     ;; might not already be displayed
	     (setq debugger-window (display-buffer current-gdb-buffer))
	     (select-window debugger-window))
	    ((eq select-method 'source)
	     (select-window source-window))))
    (and extent
	 (not (eq (extent-object extent) source-buffer))
	 (setq extent (delete-extent extent)))
    (or extent
        (progn
          (setq extent (make-extent 1 1 source-buffer))
          (set-extent-face extent 'gdb-arrow-face)
	  (set-extent-begin-glyph extent gdb-arrow-glyph)
          (set-extent-begin-glyph-layout extent 'whitespace)
          (set-extent-priority extent 2000)
          (setq gdb-arrow-extent extent)))
    (save-current-buffer
      (set-buffer source-buffer)
      (save-restriction
	(widen)
	(goto-line line)
	(set-window-point source-window (point))
	(setq pos (point))
        (end-of-line)
        (set-extent-endpoints extent pos (point))
        (run-hook-with-args 'gdb-arrow-extent-hooks extent))
      (cond ((or (< pos (point-min)) (> pos (point-max)))
	     (widen)
	     (goto-char pos))))
    ;; Added by Stig.  It caused lots of problems for several users
    ;; and since its purpose is unclear it is getting commented out.
    ;;(and debugger-window
    ;; (set-window-point debugger-window pos))
    ))

(defun gdb-call (command)
  "Invoke gdb COMMAND displaying source in other window."
  (interactive)
  (goto-char (point-max))
  ;; Record info on the last prompt in the buffer and its position.
  ;; This is used in  gdb-maybe-delete-prompt
  ;; to prevent multiple prompts from accumulating.
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (process-mark (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer)))
    (let ((pt (point)))
      (beginning-of-line)
      (setq gdb-delete-prompt-marker
	    (if (= (point) pt)
		nil
	      (list (point-marker) (- pt (point))
		    (buffer-substring (point) pt))))))
  (gdb-set-buffer)
  (process-send-string (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer)
	       (concat command "\n")))

(defun gdb-maybe-delete-prompt ()
  (if gdb-delete-prompt-marker
      ;; Get the string that we used as the prompt before.
      (let ((prompt (nth 2 gdb-delete-prompt-marker))
	    (length (nth 1 gdb-delete-prompt-marker)))
	;; Position after it.
	(goto-char (+ (car gdb-delete-prompt-marker) length))
	;; Delete any duplicates of it which follow right after.
	(while (and (<= (+ (point) length) (point-max))
		    (string= prompt
			     (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) length))))
	  (delete-region (point) (+ (point) length)))
	;; If that didn't take us to where output is arriving,
	;; we have encountered something other than a prompt,
	;; so stop trying to delete any more prompts.
	(if (not (= (point)
		    (process-mark (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer))))
	    (progn
	      (set-marker (car gdb-delete-prompt-marker) nil)
	      (setq gdb-delete-prompt-marker nil))))))

(defun gdb-break (temp)
  "Set GDB breakpoint at this source line.  With ARG set temporary breakpoint."
  (interactive "P")
  (let* ((file-name (file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name))
	 (line (save-restriction
		 (widen)
		 (beginning-of-line)
		 (1+ (count-lines 1 (point)))))
	 (cmd (concat (if temp "tbreak " "break ") file-name ":"
		      (int-to-string line))))
    (set-buffer current-gdb-buffer)
    (goto-char (process-mark (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer)))
    (delete-region (point) (point-max))
    (insert cmd)
    (comint-send-input)
    ;;(process-send-string (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) cmd)
    ))

(defun gdb-clear ()
  "Set GDB breakpoint at this source line."
  (interactive)
  (let* ((file-name (file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name))
	 (line (save-restriction
		 (widen)
		 (beginning-of-line)
		 (1+ (count-lines 1 (point)))))
	 (cmd (concat "clear " file-name ":"
		      (int-to-string line))))
    (set-buffer current-gdb-buffer)
    (goto-char (process-mark (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer)))
    (delete-region (point) (point-max))
    (insert cmd)
    (comint-send-input)
    ;;(process-send-string (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) cmd)
    ))

(defun gdb-read-address()
  "Return a string containing the core-address found in the buffer at point."
  (save-excursion
   (let ((pt (point)) found begin)
     (setq found (if (search-backward "0x" (- pt 7) t)(point)))
     (cond (found (forward-char 2)
		  (buffer-substring found
				    (progn (re-search-forward "[^0-9a-f]")
					   (forward-char -1)
					   (point))))
	   (t (setq begin (progn (re-search-backward "[^0-9]") (forward-char 1)
				 (point)))
	      (forward-char 1)
	      (re-search-forward "[^0-9]")
	      (forward-char -1)
	      (buffer-substring begin (point)))))))


(defvar gdb-commands nil
  "List of strings or functions used by send-gdb-command.
It is for customization by you.")

(defun send-gdb-command (arg)

  "This command reads the number where the cursor is positioned.  It
 then inserts this ADDR at the end of the gdb buffer.  A numeric arg
 selects the ARG'th member COMMAND of the list gdb-print-command.  If
 COMMAND is a string, (format COMMAND ADDR) is inserted, otherwise
 (funcall COMMAND ADDR) is inserted.  eg. \"p (rtx)%s->fld[0].rtint\"
 is a possible string to be a member of gdb-commands.  "


  (interactive "P")
  (let (comm addr)
    (if arg (setq comm (nth arg gdb-commands)))
    (setq addr (gdb-read-address))
    (if (eq (current-buffer) current-gdb-buffer)
	(set-mark (point)))
    (cond (comm
	   (setq comm
		 (if (stringp comm) (format comm addr) (funcall comm addr))))
	  (t (setq comm addr)))
    (switch-to-buffer current-gdb-buffer)
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (insert comm)))

(defun gdb-toolbar-break ()
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (message (car gdb-last-frame))
    (set-buffer (find-file-noselect (car gdb-last-frame)))
    (gdb-break nil)))

(defun gdb-toolbar-clear ()
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (message (car gdb-last-frame))
    (set-buffer (find-file-noselect (car gdb-last-frame)))
    (gdb-clear)))

(provide 'gdb)


======================================

;;; gdbsrc.el -- Source-based (as opposed to comint-based) debugger
;;      interaction mode eventually, this will be unified with GUD
;; 	(after gud works reliably w/ XEmacs...)
;; Keywords: c, unix, tools, debugging

;; Copyright (C) 1990 Debby Ayers <ayers@austin.ibm.com>, and
;;		      Rich Schaefer <schaefer@asc.slb.com>
;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995 Tinker Systems and INS Engineering Corp.
;; 
;; This file is part of XEmacs.
;; 
;; XEmacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; 
;; XEmacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; 
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with XEmacs; if not, write to the Free Software
;; Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; Based upon code for version18 by Debra Ayers <ayers@austin.ibm.com>
;
;; History:
;;
;;   08-aug-96  Hung V. Bui (hvb@netrix.com)
;;     Add the Finish toolbar icon.
;;     Keep cursor in source window after print command
;;     Fix bug in cursor does not stay at end of the gdb window
;;     First gdbsrc session will fail with error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"

;;;  GDBSRC::
;;;  Gdbsrc extends the emacs GDB interface to accept gdb commands issued
;;;  from the source code buffer.  Gdbsrc behaves similar to gdb except
;;;  now most debugging may be done from the source code using the *gdb*
;;;  buffer to view output. Supports a point and click model under X to
;;;  evaluate source code expressions (no more typing long variable names).
;;; 
;;; Supports C source at the moment but C++ support will be added if there
;;; is sufficient interest.
;;; 

;; GDBSRC::Gdb Source Mode Interface description.
;; Gdbsrc extends the emacs GDB interface to accept gdb commands issued
;; from the source code buffer. Gdbsrc behaves similar to gdb except now all 
;; debugging may be done from the currently focused source buffer using 
;; the *gdb* buffer to view output.

;; When source files are displayed through gdbsrc, buffers are put in 
;; gdbsrc-mode minor mode. This mode puts the buffer in read-only state
;; and sets up a special key and mouse map to invoke communication with
;; the current gdb process. The minor mode may be toggled on/off as needed.
;; (ESC-T) 

;; C-expressions may be evaluated by gdbsrc by simply pointing at text in the
;; current source buffer with the mouse or by centering the cursor over text
;; and typing a single key command. ('p' for print, '*' for print *).

;; As code is debugged and new buffers are displayed, the focus of gdbsrc
;; follows to each new source buffer. Makes debugging fun. (sound like a
;; commercial or what!)
;; 

;; Current Listing ::
;;key		binding					Comment
;;---		-------					-------
;;
;; r               gdb-return-from-src	GDB return command
;; n               gdb-next-from-src	GDB next command
;; b               gdb-back-from-src	GDB back command
;; w               gdb-where-from-src	GDB where command
;; f               gdb-finish-from-src	GDB finish command
;; u               gdb-up-from-src      GDB up command
;; d               gdb-down-from-src	GDB down command
;; c               gdb-cont-from-src	GDB continue command
;; i               gdb-stepi-from-src	GDB step instruction command
;; s               gdb-step-from-src	GDB step command
;; ?               gdb-whatis-c-sexp	GDB whatis command for data at
;;					     buffer point
;; x               gdbsrc-delete        GDB Delete all breakpoints if no arg
;;					     given or delete arg (C-u arg x)
;; m               gdbsrc-frame         GDB Display current frame if no arg,
;;					     given or display frame arg
;; *               gdb-*print-c-sexp	GDB print * command for data at
;;					       buffer point
;; !               gdbsrc-goto-gdb		Goto the GDB output buffer
;; p               gdb-print-c-sexp	GDB print * command for data at
;;					     buffer point
;; g               gdbsrc-goto-gdb		Goto the GDB output buffer
;; t               gdbsrc-mode		Toggles Gdbsrc mode (turns it off)
;; 
;; C-c C-f         gdb-finish-from-src	GDB finish command
;; 
;; C-x SPC         gdb-break		Set break for line with point
;; ESC t           gdbsrc-mode		Toggle Gdbsrc mode
;;
;; Local Bindings for buffer when you exit Gdbsrc minor mode
;;
;; C-x SPC         gdb-break		Set break for line with point
;; ESC t           gdbsrc-mode		Toggle Gdbsrc mode
;;

;;; (eval-when-compile
;;;   (or noninteractive
;;;       (progn 
;;;         (message "ONLY compile gdbsrc except with -batch because of advice")
;;;         (ding)
;;;       )))

(require 'gdb "gdb")			; NOT gud!  (yet...)

(defvar gdbsrc-active-p t
  "*Set to nil if you do not want source files put in gdbsrc-mode")

(defvar gdbsrc-call-p nil
  "True if gdb command issued from a source buffer")

(defvar gdbsrc-associated-buffer nil
  "Buffer name of attached gdb process")

(defvar gdbsrc-mode nil
  "Indicates whether buffer is in gdbsrc-mode or not")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'gdbsrc-mode)

(defvar gdbsrc-global-mode nil
  "Indicates whether global gdbsrc bindings are in effect or not")

(defvar gdb-prompt-pattern "^[^)#$%>\n]*[)#$%>] *"
  "A regexp for matching the end of the gdb prompt")

;;; bindings

(defvar gdbsrc-global-map
  (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap)))
    (set-keymap-name map 'gdbsrc-global-map)
    (define-key map "\C-x " 'gdb-break)
    (define-key map "\M-\C-t" 'gdbsrc-mode)
    (define-key map "\M-\C-g" 'gdbsrc-goto-gdb)

    ;; middle button to select and print expressions...
    (define-key map '(meta button2)       'gdbsrc-print-csexp)
    (define-key map '(meta shift button2) 'gdbsrc-*print-csexp)
    ;; left button to position breakpoints
    (define-key map '(meta button1)       'gdbsrc-set-break)
    (define-key map '(meta shift button1) 'gdbsrc-set-tbreak-continue)
    map)
  "Global minor keymap that is active whenever gdbsrc is running.")

(add-minor-mode 'gdbsrc-global-mode " GdbGlobal" gdbsrc-global-map)

(defvar gdbsrc-mode-map
  (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap)))
    (suppress-keymap map)
    (set-keymap-name map 'gdbsrc-mode-map)
    ;; inherit keys from global gdbsrc map just in case that somehow gets turned off.
    (set-keymap-parents map (list gdbsrc-global-map))
    (define-key map "\C-x\C-q" 'gdbsrc-mode) ; toggle read-only
    (define-key map "\C-c\C-c" 'gdbsrc-mode)
    (define-key map "b" 'gdb-break)
    (define-key map "g" 'gdbsrc-goto-gdb)
    (define-key map "!" 'gdbsrc-goto-gdb)
    (define-key map "p" 'gdb-print-c-sexp)
    (define-key map "*" 'gdb-*print-c-sexp)
    (define-key map "?" 'gdb-whatis-c-sexp)
    (define-key map "R" 'gdbsrc-reset)
    map)
  "Minor keymap for buffers in gdbsrc-mode")

(add-minor-mode 'gdbsrc-mode " GdbSrc" gdbsrc-mode-map)

(defvar gdbsrc-toolbar
  '([eos::toolbar-stop-at-icon
     gdb-break
     t
     "Stop at selected position"]
    [eos::toolbar-stop-in-icon
     gdb-break
     t
     "Stop in function whose name is selected"]
    [eos::toolbar-clear-at-icon
     gdbsrc-delete
     t
     "Clear at selected position"]
    [eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
     gdb-print-c-sexp
     t
     "Evaluate selected expression; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
    [eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
     gdb-*print-c-sexp
     t
     "Evaluate selected expression as a pointer; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
    [eos::toolbar-run-icon
     gdbsrc-run
     t
     "Run current program"]
    [eos::toolbar-cont-icon
     gdbsrc-cont
     t
     "Continue current program"]
    [eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
     gdbsrc-step
     t
     "Step into (aka step)"]
    [eos::toolbar-finish-icon
     gdb-finish
     t
     "Finish (aka finish)"]
    [eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
     gdbsrc-next
     t
     "Step over (aka next)"]
    [eos::toolbar-up-icon
     gdbsrc-up
     t
     "Stack Up (towards \"cooler\" - less recently visited - frames)"]
    [eos::toolbar-down-icon
     gdbsrc-down
     t
     "Stack Down (towards \"warmer\" - more recently visited - frames)"]
    [eos::toolbar-fix-icon
     nil
     nil
     "Fix (not available with gdb)"]
    [eos::toolbar-build-icon
     toolbar-compile
     t
     "Build (aka make -NYI)"]
    ))

(defmacro def-gdb-from-src (gdb-command key &optional doc &rest forms)
  "Create a function that will call GDB-COMMAND with KEY."
  (let* ((fname (format "gdbsrc-%s" gdb-command))
	 (cstr (list 'if 'arg
		     (list 'format "%s %s" gdb-command '(prefix-numeric-value arg))
		     gdb-command))
	 fun)
    (while (string-match " " fname)
      (aset fname (match-beginning 0) ?-))
    (setq fun (intern fname))
    
     (list 'progn
	   (nconc (list 'defun fun '(arg)
			(or doc "")
			'(interactive "P")
			(list 'gdb-call-from-src cstr))
		  forms)
	   (list 'define-key 'gdbsrc-mode-map key  (list 'quote fun)))))

(def-gdb-from-src "step"   "s" "Step one instruction in src"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "stepi"  "i" "Step one source line (skip functions)"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "cont"   "c" "Continue with display"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "down"   "d" "Go down N stack frames (numeric arg) ")
(def-gdb-from-src "up"     "u" "Go up N stack frames (numeric arg)")
(def-gdb-from-src "finish" "f" "Finish frame")
(def-gdb-from-src "where"  "w" "Display (N frames of) backtrace")
(def-gdb-from-src "next"   "n" "Step one line with display"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "run"    "r" "Run program from start"
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "return" "R" "Return from selected stack frame")
(def-gdb-from-src "disable" "x" "Disable all breakpoints")
(def-gdb-from-src "delete" "X" "Delete all breakpoints")
(def-gdb-from-src "quit"   "Q" "Quit gdb."
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent))
(def-gdb-from-src "info locals" "l" "Show local variables")
(def-gdb-from-src "info break"  "B" "Show breakpoints")
(def-gdb-from-src ""  "\r" "Repeat last command")
(def-gdb-from-src "frame"  "m" "Show frame if no arg, with arg go to frame")

;;; code

;;;###autoload
(defun gdbsrc (path &optional core-or-pid)
  "Activates a gdb session with gdbsrc-mode turned on.  A numeric prefix
argument can be used to specify a running process to attach, and a non-numeric
prefix argument will cause you to be prompted for a core file to debug."
  (interactive (let ((file (read-file-name "Program to debug: " nil nil t)))
		 (cond ((numberp current-prefix-arg)
			(list file (int-to-string current-prefix-arg)))
		       (current-prefix-arg
			(list file (read-file-name "Core file: " nil nil t)))
		       (t (list file)))
		 ))
  ;; FIXME - this is perhaps an uncool thing to do --Stig
  (delete-other-windows)
  (split-window-vertically)
  (other-window 0)

  (gdb path core-or-pid)
  (local-set-key 'button2 'gdbsrc-select-or-yank)
  (setq mode-motion-hook 'gdbsrc-mode-motion)
  ;; XEmacs change:
  (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
  (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t))

(defun gdbsrc-global-mode ()
  ;; this can be used as a hook for gdb-mode....
  (or current-gdb-buffer
      (and (eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)	; doesn't work w/ energize yet
	   (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
	   ;; XEmacs change:
	   (or (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook) t)
	   (or (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t) t))
      (error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"))
;;;   (set-process-filter 
;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-filter)
;;;   (set-process-sentinel 
;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-sentinel)
  ;; gdbsrc-global-mode was set to t here but that tended to piss
  ;; people off
  (setq gdbsrc-global-mode nil
	gdbsrc-active-p	   t
	gdbsrc-call-p	   nil
	gdbsrc-mode	   nil)
  (message "Gbd source mode active"))
 
(add-hook 'gdb-mode-hook 'gdbsrc-global-mode)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; Gdb Source minor mode.
;;; 

(defvar gdbsrc-associated-buffer nil
  "The gdb buffer to send commands to.")
(defvar gdbsrc-initial-readonly  'undefined
  "read-only status of buffer when not in gdbsrc-mode")
(defvar gdbsrc-old-toolbar nil
  "saved toolbar for buffer")

(defun gdbsrc-mode (arg &optional quiet)
  "Minor mode for interacting with gdb from a c source file.
With arg, turn gdbsrc-mode on iff arg is positive.  In gdbsrc-mode,
you may send an associated gdb buffer commands from the current buffer
containing c source code."
  (interactive "P")
  (setq gdbsrc-mode
	(if (null arg)
	    (not gdbsrc-mode)
	  (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)))

  (cond (gdbsrc-mode
	 (cond ((not (local-variable-p 'gdbsrc-initial-readonly (current-buffer)))
		(set (make-local-variable 'gdbsrc-initial-readonly)
		     buffer-read-only)
		(set (make-local-variable 'gdbsrc-associated-buffer)
		     current-gdb-buffer)
		(if (featurep 'toolbar)
		    (set (make-local-variable 'gdbsrc-old-toolbar)
			 (specifier-specs default-toolbar (current-buffer))))
		)
	       )
	 (if (featurep 'toolbar)
	     (set-specifier default-toolbar (cons (current-buffer)
						  gdbsrc-toolbar)))
	 (setq buffer-read-only t)
         (run-hooks 'gdbsrc-mode-hook)
	 (or quiet (message "Entering gdbsrc-mode...")))
	(t
	 (and (local-variable-p 'gdbsrc-initial-readonly (current-buffer))
	      (progn
		(if (featurep 'toolbar)
		    (if gdbsrc-old-toolbar
			(set-specifier default-toolbar
				       (cons (current-buffer)
					     gdbsrc-old-toolbar))
		      (remove-specifier default-toolbar (current-buffer))))
		(kill-local-variable 'gdbsrc-old-toolbar)
		(setq buffer-read-only gdbsrc-initial-readonly)
		(kill-local-variable 'gdbsrc-initial-readonly)
		(kill-local-variable 'gdbsrc-associated-buffer)
		))
	 (or quiet (message "Exiting gdbsrc-mode..."))))
  (redraw-modeline t))

;;
;; Sends commands to gdb process.

(defun gdb-call-from-src (command)
  "Send associated gdb process COMMAND displaying source in this window."
  (setq gdbsrc-call-p t)
  (let ((buf (or gdbsrc-associated-buffer current-gdb-buffer)))
    (or (buffer-name buf)
	(error "GDB buffer deleted"))
    (pop-to-buffer buf))
  (goto-char (point-max))
  (beginning-of-line)
  ;; Go past gdb prompt 
  (re-search-forward
   gdb-prompt-pattern (save-excursion (end-of-line) (point))  t)
  ;; Delete any not-supposed-to-be-there text
  (delete-region (point) (point-max)) 
  (insert command)
  (comint-send-input))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;
;;; Define Commands for GDB SRC Mode Buffer
;;;

;;; ;; #### - move elsewhere
(or (fboundp 'event-buffer)
    (defun event-buffer (event)
      "Return buffer assocaited with EVENT, or nil."
      (let ((win (event-window event)))
	(and win (window-buffer win)))))

(defun set-gdbsrc-mode-motion-extent (st en action)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (let ((ex  (make-extent st en)))
    (set-extent-face ex 'highlight)
    (set-extent-property ex 'gdbsrc t)
    (set-extent-property ex 'action action)
    (setq mode-motion-extent ex)))

(defun nuke-mode-motion-extent ()
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (cond (mode-motion-extent
	 (delete-extent mode-motion-extent)
	 (setq mode-motion-extent nil))))

(defun looking-at-any (regex-list)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (catch 'found
    (while regex-list
      (and (looking-at (car regex-list))
	   (throw 'found t))
      (setq regex-list (cdr regex-list)))))

(defconst gdb-breakpoint-patterns
  '(
    ;; when execution stops...
    ;;Breakpoint 1, XlwMenuRedisplay (w=0x4d2e00, ev=0xefffe3f8, region=0x580e60)
    ;;    at /net/stig/src/xemacs/lwlib/xlwmenu.c:2518
    "^[BW][ra][et][ac][kh]point [0-9]+, .*\\(\n\\s .*\\)*"
    ;; output of the breakpoint command:
    ;;Breakpoint 1 at 0x19f5c8: file /net/stig/src/xemacs/lwlib/xlwmenu.c, line 2715.
    "^[BW][ra][et][ac][kh]point [0-9]+ at .*: file \\([^ ,\n]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\)."
    ;;Num Type           Disp Enb Address    What
    ;;1   breakpoint     keep y   0x0019ee60 in XlwMenuRedisplay
    ;;                                       at /net/stig/src/xemacs/lwlib/xlwmenu.c:2518
    "^[0-9]+\\s +[bw][ra][et][ac][kh]point.* in .*\\(\n\\s +\\)?at [^ :\n]+:[0-9]+\\(\n\\s .*\\)*"
    )
  "list of patterns to match gdb's various ways of displaying a breakpoint")

(defun gdbsrc-make-breakpoint-action (string)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (if (or (string-match "file \\([^ ,\n]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\)" string)
	  (string-match "at \\([^ :\n]+\\):\\([0-9]+\\)" string))
      (list 'gdbsrc-display
	    (match-string 1 string)
	    (string-to-int (match-string 2 string)))))

(defconst gdb-stack-frame-pattern
  ;;#9  0x62f08 in emacs_Xt_next_event (emacs_event=0x4cf804)
  ;;    at /net/stig/src/xemacs/src/event-Xt.c:1778
  "^#\\([0-9]+\\)\\s +\\(0x[0-9a-f]+ in .*\\|.*\\sw+.* (.*) at .*\\)\\(\n\\s .*\\)*"
  "matches the first line of a gdb stack frame and all continuation lines.
subex 1 is frame number.")

(defun gdbsrc-mode-motion (ee)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (event-buffer ee))
    (save-excursion
      (if (not (event-point ee))
	  (nuke-mode-motion-extent)
	(goto-char (event-point ee))
	(beginning-of-line)
	(while (and (not (bobp)) (eq ?  (char-syntax (following-char))))
	  (forward-line -1))
	(if (extent-at (point) (current-buffer) 'gdbsrc)
	    nil
	  (nuke-mode-motion-extent)
	  (cond ((looking-at-any gdb-breakpoint-patterns)
		 (set-gdbsrc-mode-motion-extent
		  (match-beginning 0)
		  (match-end 0)
		  (gdbsrc-make-breakpoint-action (match-string 0))))
		((looking-at gdb-stack-frame-pattern)
		 (set-gdbsrc-mode-motion-extent
		  (match-beginning 0)
		  (match-end 0)
		  (list 'gdbsrc-frame
			(string-to-int (match-string 1)))))
		)))
      )))
  
(defun gdbsrc-display (file line)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (select-window (display-buffer (find-file-noselect file)))
  (goto-line line))

(defun click-inside-selection-p (click)
  (or (click-inside-extent-p click primary-selection-extent)
      (click-inside-extent-p click zmacs-region-extent)
      ))

(defun click-inside-extent-p (click extent)
  "Returns non-nil if the button event is within the bounds of the primary
selection-extent, nil otherwise."
  ;; stig@hackvan.com
  (let ((ewin (event-window click))
	(epnt (event-point click)))
    (and ewin
	 epnt
	 extent
	 (eq (window-buffer ewin)
	     (extent-buffer extent))
	 (extent-start-position extent)
	 (> epnt (extent-start-position extent))
	 (> (extent-end-position extent) epnt))))

(defun point-inside-extent-p (extent)
  "Returns non-nil if the point is within or just after the bounds of the
primary selection-extent, nil otherwise."
  ;; stig@hackvan.com
  (and extent		; FIXME - I'm such a sinner...
       (eq (current-buffer) 
	   (extent-buffer extent))
       (> (point) (extent-start-position extent))
       (>= (extent-end-position extent) (point))))

(defun gdbsrc-select-or-yank (ee)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (interactive "e")
  (let ((action (save-excursion
		  (set-buffer (event-buffer ee))
		  (and mode-motion-extent
		       (click-inside-extent-p ee mode-motion-extent)
		       (extent-property mode-motion-extent 'action)))
		))
    (if action
	(eval action)
      (mouse-yank ee))))

(defvar gdb-print-format ""
  "Set this variable to a valid format string to print c-sexps in a
different way (hex,octal, etc).")

(defun gdb-print-c-sexp ()
  "Find the nearest c-mode sexp. Send it to gdb with print command."
  (interactive)
  (let* ((tag (find-c-sexp))
         (sav-window (selected-window))
	 (command (concat "print " gdb-print-format tag)))
    (gdb-call-from-src command)
    (select-window sav-window))
)

(defun gdb-*print-c-sexp ()
  "Find the nearest c-mode sexp. Send it to gdb with the print * command."
  (interactive)
  (let* ((tag (find-c-sexp))
         (sav-window (selected-window))
	(command (concat "print " gdb-print-format "*"  tag)))
    (gdb-call-from-src  command)
    (select-window sav-window))
)

(defun gdb-whatis-c-sexp ()
  "Find the nearest c-mode sexp. Send it to gdb with the whatis command. "
  (interactive)
  (let* ((tag (gdbsrc-selection-or-sexp))
	 (command (concat "whatis " tag)))
    (gdb-call-from-src command)))

(defun gdbsrc-goto-gdb ()
  "Hop back and forth between the gdb interaction buffer and the gdb source
buffer.  "
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (interactive)
  (let ((gbuf (or gdbsrc-associated-buffer current-gdb-buffer)))
    (cond ((eq (current-buffer) gbuf)
	   (and gdb-arrow-extent
		(extent-buffer gdb-arrow-extent)
		(progn (pop-to-buffer (extent-buffer gdb-arrow-extent))
		       (goto-char (extent-start-position gdb-arrow-extent)))))
	  ((buffer-name gbuf) (pop-to-buffer gbuf))
	  ((y-or-n-p "No debugger.  Start a new one? ")
	         (call-interactively 'gdbsrc))
	  (t (error "No gdb buffer."))
	  )))

(defvar gdbsrc-last-src-buffer nil)

(defun gdbsrc-goto-src ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((valid (and gdbsrc-last-src-buffer
		     (memq gdbsrc-last-src-buffer (buffer-list))))
	 (win (and valid
		   (get-buffer-window gdbsrc-last-src-buffer))))
    (cond (win (select-window win))
	  (valid (pop-to-buffer gdbsrc-last-src-buffer)))))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;
;;;  The following functions are used to extract the closest surrounding
;;;  c expression from point
;;;
(defun back-sexp ()
  "Version of backward-sexp that catches errors"
  (condition-case nil
      (backward-sexp)
    (error t)))

(defun forw-sexp ()
  "Version of forward-sexp that catches errors"
  (condition-case nil
     (forward-sexp)
    (error t)))

(defun sexp-compound-sep (span-start span-end)
  "Returns '.' for '->' & '.', returns ' ' for white space,
returns '?' for other puctuation"  
  (let ((result ? )
	(syntax))
    (while (< span-start span-end)
      (setq syntax (char-syntax (char-after span-start)))
      (cond
       ((= syntax ? ) t)
       ((= syntax ?.) (setq syntax (char-after span-start))
	(cond 
	 ((= syntax ?.) (setq result ?.))
	 ((and (= syntax ?-) (= (char-after (+ span-start 1)) ?>))
	  (setq result ?.)
	  (setq span-start (+ span-start 1)))
	 (t (setq span-start span-end)
	    (setq result ??)))))
      (setq span-start (+ span-start 1)))
    result 
    )
  )

(defun sexp-compound (first second)
  "Returns non-nil if the concatenation of two S-EXPs result in a Single C 
token. The two S-EXPs are represented as a cons cells, where the car 
specifies the point in the current buffer that marks the begging of the 
S-EXP and the cdr specifies the character after the end of the S-EXP
Link S-Exps of the form:
      Sexp -> SexpC
      Sexp . Sexp
      Sexp (Sexp)        Maybe exclude if first Sexp is: if, while, do, for, switch
      Sexp [Sexp]
      (Sexp) Sexp
      [Sexp] Sexp"
  (let ((span-start (cdr first))
	(span-end (car second))
	(syntax))
    (setq syntax (sexp-compound-sep span-start span-end))
    (cond
     ((= (car first) (car second)) nil)
     ((= (cdr first) (cdr second)) nil)
     ((= syntax ?.) t)
     ((= syntax ? )
	 (setq span-start (char-after (- span-start 1)))
	 (setq span-end (char-after span-end))
	 (cond
	  ((= span-start ?) ) t )
	  ((= span-start ?] ) t )
          ((= span-end ?( ) t )
	  ((= span-end ?[ ) t )
	  (t nil))
	 )
     (t nil))
    )
  )

(defun sexp-cur ()
  "Returns the  S-EXP that Point is a member, Point is set to begging of S-EXP.
The S-EXPs is represented as a cons cell, where the car specifies the point in
the current buffer that marks the begging of the S-EXP and the cdr specifies 
the character after the end of the S-EXP"
  (let ((p (point)) (begin) (end))
    (back-sexp)
    (setq begin (point))
    (forw-sexp)
    (setq end (point))
    (if (>= p end) 
	(progn
	 (setq begin p)
	 (goto-char p)
	 (forw-sexp)
	 (setq end (point))
	 )
      )
    (goto-char begin)
    (cons begin end)
    )
  )

(defun sexp-prev ()
  "Returns the previous S-EXP, Point is set to begging of that S-EXP.
The S-EXPs is represented as a cons cell, where the car specifies the point in
the current buffer that marks the begging of the S-EXP and the cdr specifies 
the character after the end of the S-EXP"
  (let ((begin) (end))
    (back-sexp)
    (setq begin (point))
    (forw-sexp)
    (setq end (point))
    (goto-char begin)
    (cons begin end))
)

(defun sexp-next ()
  "Returns the following S-EXP, Point is set to begging of that S-EXP.
The S-EXPs is represented as a cons cell, where the car specifies the point in
the current buffer that marks the begging of the S-EXP and the cdr specifies 
the character after the end of the S-EXP"
  (let ((begin) (end))
    (forw-sexp)
    (forw-sexp)
    (setq end (point))
    (back-sexp)
    (setq begin (point))
    (cons begin end)
    )
  )

(defun find-c-sexp ()
  "Returns the Complex  S-EXP that surrounds Point"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (let ((p) (sexp) (test-sexp))
      (setq p (point))
      (setq sexp (sexp-cur))
      (setq test-sexp (sexp-prev))
      (while (sexp-compound test-sexp sexp)
	(setq sexp (cons (car test-sexp) (cdr sexp)))
	(goto-char (car sexp))
	(setq test-sexp (sexp-prev))
	)
      (goto-char p)
      (setq test-sexp (sexp-next))
      (while (sexp-compound sexp test-sexp)
	(setq sexp (cons (car sexp) (cdr test-sexp)))
	(setq test-sexp (sexp-next))
	)
      (buffer-substring (car sexp) (cdr sexp))
      )
    )
  )

(defun gdbsrc-selection-or-sexp (&optional ee)
  ;; FIXME - fix this docstring
  "If the EVENT is within the primary selection, then return the selected
text, otherwise parse the expression at the point of the mouse click and
return that.  If EVENT is nil, then return the C sexp at point."
  ;; stig@hackvan.com
  (cond ((or (and ee (click-inside-selection-p ee))
	     (and (not ee) (point-inside-selection-p)))
	 (replace-in-string (extent-string primary-selection-extent) "\n\\s *" " "))
	(ee 
	 (gdbsrc-get-csexp-at-click ee))
	(t
	 (find-c-sexp))
	))

(defun gdbsrc-get-csexp-at-click (ee) 
  "Returns the containing s-expression located at the mouse cursor to point."
  ;; "
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (let ((ewin (event-window ee))
	(epnt (event-point ee)))
    (or (and ewin epnt)
	(error "Must click within a window"))
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer (window-buffer ewin))
      (save-excursion
	(goto-char epnt)
	(find-c-sexp)))))

(defun gdbsrc-print-csexp (&optional ee)
  (interactive) 
  (or ee (setq ee current-mouse-event))
  (gdb-call-from-src
	 (concat "print "  gdb-print-format (gdbsrc-selection-or-sexp ee))))

(defun gdbsrc-*print-csexp (&optional ee)
  (interactive) 
  (or ee (setq ee current-mouse-event))
  (gdb-call-from-src
   (concat "print *"  gdb-print-format (gdbsrc-selection-or-sexp ee))))

;; (defun gdbsrc-print-region (arg)
;;   (let (( command  (concat "print " gdb-print-format (x-get-cut-buffer))))
;;     (gdb-call-from-src command)))
;; 
;; (defun gdbsrc-*print-region (arg)
;;   (let (( command  (concat "print *" gdb-print-format (x-get-cut-buffer))))
;;     (gdb-call-from-src command)))

(defun gdbsrc-file:lno ()
  "returns \"file:lno\" specification for location of point. "
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (format "%s:%d"
	  (file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name)
	  (save-restriction
	    (widen)
	    (1+ (count-lines (point-min)
			     (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (point)))))
	  ))

(defun gdbsrc-set-break (ee)
  "Sets a breakpoint.  Click on the selection and it will set a breakpoint
using the selected text.  Click anywhere in a source file, and it will set
a breakpoint at that line number of that file."
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  ;; there is already gdb-break, so this only needs to work with mouse clicks.
  (interactive "e") 
  (gdb-call-from-src
   (concat "break "
	   (if (click-inside-selection-p ee)
	       (extent-string primary-selection-extent)
	     (mouse-set-point ee)
	     (or buffer-file-name (error "No file in window"))
	     (gdbsrc-file:lno)
	     ))))

(defun gdbsrc-set-tbreak-continue (&optional ee)
  "Set a temporary breakpoint at the position of the mouse click and then
continues.  This can be bound to either a key or a mouse button."
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (interactive)
  (or ee (setq ee current-mouse-event))
  (and ee (mouse-set-point ee))
  (gdb-call-from-src (concat "tbreak " (gdbsrc-file:lno)))
  (gdb-call-from-src "c"))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; Functions extended from gdb.el for gdbsrc.
;;
;; gdbsrc-set-buffer - added a check to set buffer to gdbsrc-associated-buffer
;;                  to handle multiple gdb sessions being driven from src
;;                  files.

(require 'advice)

(defadvice gdb-set-buffer (after gdbsrc activate) ; ()
  "Advised to work from a source buffer instead of just the gdb buffer."
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  ;; the operations below have tests which are disjoint from the tests in
  ;; the original `gdb-set-buffer'.  Current-gdb-buffer cannot be set twice.
  (and gdbsrc-call-p
       gdbsrc-associated-buffer
       (setq current-gdb-buffer gdbsrc-associated-buffer)))

(defadvice gdb-display-line (around gdbsrc activate)
  ;; (true-file line &optional select-method)
  "Advised to select the source buffer instead of the gdb-buffer"
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (ad-set-arg 2 'source) ; tell it not to select the gdb window
  ad-do-it
  (save-excursion
    (let* ((buf (extent-buffer gdb-arrow-extent))
	   (win (get-buffer-window buf)))
      (setq gdbsrc-last-src-buffer buf)
      (select-window win)
      (set-window-point win (extent-start-position gdb-arrow-extent))
      (set-buffer buf))
    (and gdbsrc-active-p
	 (not gdbsrc-mode)
	 (not (eq (current-buffer) current-gdb-buffer))
	 (gdbsrc-mode 1))))

(defadvice gdb-filter (after gdbsrc activate) ; (proc string)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  ;; if we got a gdb prompt and it wasn't a gdbsrc command, then it's gdb
  ;; hitting a breakpoint or having a core dump, so bounce back to the gdb
  ;; window.
  (let* ((selbuf (window-buffer (selected-window)))
	 win)
    ;; if we're at a gdb prompt, then display the buffer
    (and (save-match-data (string-match gdb-prompt-pattern (ad-get-arg 1)))
	 (prog1
	     (not gdbsrc-call-p)
	   (setq gdbsrc-call-p nil))
	 (setq win (display-buffer current-gdb-buffer))
	 ;; if we're not in either the source buffer or the gdb buffer,
	 ;; then select the window too...
	 (not (eq selbuf current-gdb-buffer))
	 (not (eq selbuf gdbsrc-last-src-buffer))
	 (progn
	   (ding nil 'warp)
	   (select-window win)))
    ))

(defun gdbsrc-reset ()
  ;; tidy house and turn off gdbsrc-mode in all buffers
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (gdb-delete-arrow-extent)
  (setq gdbsrc-global-mode nil)
  (mapcar #'(lambda (buffer) 
	      (set-buffer buffer)
	      (cond ((eq gdbsrc-associated-buffer current-gdb-buffer)
		     (gdbsrc-mode -1))))
	  (buffer-list)))

(defadvice gdb-sentinel (after gdbsrc freeze) ; (proc msg)
  ;; by Stig@hackvan.com
  (gdbsrc-reset)
  (message "Gdbsrc finished"))

(provide 'gdbsrc)

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>>>>> "Gregor" == Gregor Karl Frey <gregor.karl.frey@sap-ag.de> writes:

    Gregor> During linking the Xemacs on HP-UX 10.01 I get the
    Gregor> following error: Can't find library for -lAlib And indeed
    Gregor> there isnt such a lib. But what is it needed for and how
    Gregor> can i configure to work arround?

It's the sound library. Either configure with --with-sound=none, or
look in /opt/audio/lib. LibAlib.* should be there.

Richard.
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From: Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com>
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Subject: Re: Hanoi doesn't finish (possible larger problem)
Date: 15 Aug 1996 15:31:04 -0400
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Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:

> When running hanoi at level 8, it doesn't finish, either in X-windows
> mode, or tty mode.  I'm not really complaining that hanoi doesn't
> finish, I just think someone should look into why.

I just timed `(hanoi 3)' at 26 seconds on my Sparc20.  Since `hanoi' has
time complexity of 2**n, then `(hanoi 8)' will take 32 times as long,
which is 832 seconds, or just under 14 minutes.

Perhaps you a little impatient?

-- 
Colin Rafferty
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 reckless ride into the unknown."  -- Unabomber       |     -- Me

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From: Dale Atems <atems@physics.wayne.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Q]: add/modify abbrevs in LaTeX?
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badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

> 
> I'd like to add more abbrevs in LateX-math-mode and to redefine a few of the
> default abbrevs (I use Auctex 9.4g, Xemacs 19.14, Linux 1.99.4).
> At the moment I have the following in my .emacs:
> 
> ...
> (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'rb-LaTeX-setup)
> 
> (defun rb-LaTeX-setup ()
>   "Customization for LaTeX"
>   (LaTeX-math-mode)
>   (setq fill-column 76)
>   (local-set-key '(control j) 'rb-join-line)
> 
> (defvar LaTeX-math-list
>     '((?e "varepsilon" "greek")         ; Substitutes the default of "epsilon"
> )
>   "Alist of ... ")
> )
> 
> This has no success (neither with the defvar inside the defun
> rb-LaTeX-setup, nor outside it): I still get \epsilon when typing `e and the
> menu entry for `e is also the old one (epsilon).

Try using setq instead of defvar. 

-- 
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Here is my code for annotating some text in a buffer with glyphs.
(I have added graphics to the output of compiles to help me 
see errors vs warnings easier. The console-on-window-system-p 
test got added in 19.14 so that I saw reasonable text on TTY, 
instead of seeing the graphics file's name.)

  (let ((error (if console-on-window-system-p)
                  (make-glyph "error.xbm)
                (make-glyph [string :data "[Error] "]))
       extent)

and then when I found some text to annotate:
  (setq extent (make-extent (match-beginnning 0) (point)))
  (set-extent-begin-glyph extent error 'text))


eddy

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Subject: Re: Problems with passing printer switches via the variables "lpr-*"
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Jimmy" == Jimmy Sfaelos <jsfaelos@hpbs3125.boi.hp.com> writes:
> 
> Jimmy> I have recently switched from emacs19.28 to xemacs19.14.
> Jimmy> While using emacs19.28, I was able to add this statement to my .emacs
> Jimmy> file :
> 
> Jimmy> ;; Doesn't work with xemacs19.14, why?
> Jimmy> (setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+")
> 
> (Except for sundry comment changes, and a PC DOS binary pipe fix,
> lpr.el in XEmacs 19.14 is sync'ed with GNU Emacs 19.33 lpr.el).
> 
> lpr-headers-switches is documented as being a ``List of strings to use
> as options for `lpr' to request page headings.''
> 
> Why don't you try:
> (setq lpr-headers-switches '("-o2+"))
> instead?
> --
> steve@miranova.com baur
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> except you in November.

Steve:

Thanks for the idea mentioned above.

I gave it a try, but no change in status. The switch "-o2+" is still not
being 
pass into the print command.

I never knew why in emacs19.28 (setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+")
worked.

I would of guessed that the variable lpr-switches is the correct
variable, but experimentation with the variables in emacs19.28 showed
(setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+") worked.

And again, experimentation in xemacs19.14 now shows that :
(setq lpr-headers-switches "-o2+") and (setq lpr-headers-switches
'("-o2+")) do not
work.
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From: gaba@ix.netcom.com (James Gaba)
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Subject: warnings in xemacs for hp-ux 9.05
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 15:46:38 GMT
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hi, i'm getting annoying warning messages when i start up xemacs in hp-ux 
9.05.  does anyone know to get rid of these or supress warning messages?  
thanks!

here are the warning messages:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


2) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce an italic version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


3) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce a bold version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


4) (key-mapping/warning) 
The meanings of the modifier bits Mod1 through Mod5 are determined
by the keysyms used to control those bits.  Mod1 does NOT always
mean Meta, although some non-ICCCM-compliant programs assume that.

5) (key-mapping/warning) 
Two distinct modifier keys (such as Meta and Hyper) cannot generate
the same modifier bit, because Emacs won't be able to tell which
modifier was actually held down when some other key is pressed.  It
won't be able to tell Meta-x and Hyper-x apart, for example.  Change
one of these keys to use some other modifier bit.  If you intend for
these keys to have the same behavior, then change them to have the
same keysym as well as the same modifier bit.

6) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Mod1 is being used for both Mode_switch and 
Meta.


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From: Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com>
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Subject: Re: I'd like to keep bash interpretation of arrow keys ...
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Have you tried term?

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Try adding this file (strcat.c) to the src directory :

Add this to the end of s/hpux9.h:

#define OBJECTS_SYSTEM strcat.o /* XEmacs addition */

Then rebuild


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/* Copyright (C) 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This file is part of the GNU C Library.

The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License as
published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the
License, or (at your option) any later version.

The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
Library General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public
License along with the GNU C Library; see the file COPYING.LIB.  If
not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave,
Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.  */

/* Synched up with: Not in FSF. */

/* In HPUX 10 the strcat function references memory past the last byte of 
   the string!  This will core dump if the memory following the last byte is 
   not mapped.

   Here is a correct version from glibc 1.09.
*/

char *strcat (char *dest, const char *src);

/* Append SRC on the end of DEST.  */
char *
strcat (char *dest, const char *src)
{
  register char *s1 = dest;
  register const char *s2 = src;
  char c;

  /* Find the end of the string.  */
  do
    c = *s1++;
  while (c != '\0');

  /* Make S1 point before the next character, so we can increment
     it while memory is read (wins on pipelined cpus).  */
  s1 -= 2;

  do
    {
      c = *s2++;
      *++s1 = c;
    }
  while (c != '\0');

  return dest;
}

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Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

  > 
  > I would like to add a column counter to the mode line next to the line
  > counter but I haven't been able to figure out how!
  > 
  > Any suggestion?
  > 
  > Thanks!
  > Darren
  > 
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(load-library "column")
(display-column-mode)

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>> "Dave" == Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:

 Dave> urs@cs.ucsb.edu (Urs Hoelzle) writes:
 >> The one reproducible case I have involves an NFS-automounted directory
 >> (lets call it /fs/foo) with two files README and ReleaseNotes. A
 >> find-file of /fs/foo/R followed by TAB (almost) always breaks
 >> (i.e. inserts spaces rather than showing the two files in a completion
 >> buffer).

 Dave> Could it be that on the times it doesn't work, you are actually
 Dave> pressing Shift-Tab? The Shift-Tab key actually inserts a tab instead
 Dave> of doing completions. Since you're seeing the problem with files that
 Dave> start with an uppercase R, I would bet that you're still holding down
 Dave> the shift key when you press tab. On the times that it succeeds,
 Dave> you've taken your finger off of the shift key.

FYI, the following sets the keybindings so that completion still works if
Shift-TAB is pressed (this used to work by default in 19.13; I only needed
to add these under 19.14):

(define-key minibuffer-local-completion-map '(shift tab) 'minibuffer-complete)
(define-key read-file-name-map '(shift tab) 'minibuffer-complete)

-- 
    --- John.

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From: Eric Crampton <eric@ecrampto.async.vt.edu>
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I'm printing to a black/white network printer and have the following in my
.emacs:

(set-face-background 'default      "black")
(set-face-foreground 'default      "white")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")

When I pretty print something now, it is actually printed white on black,
which uses quite a bit of toner and all around looks poor. How can I keep
white on black text on screen and keep output black on white as before I
put these statements in?

Thanks in advance!
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I've been working on getting my fonts in XEmacs looking just right. I read
the XEmacs FAQ and found out how to get the default font looking like I 
want by adding the following line to my .emacs:

(set-face-font 'default "-*-lucidatypewriter-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*")

But, some fonts are still not right, I need to make more adjustments. For
instance, in Info (C-h i) the little "hyperlinks" (or whatever buzzword you'd
like to use for them) are in a rather ugly italicized font. Maybe this font
looks good on other systems but not on my Linux machine!

I've printed out Stallman's GNU Emacs manual and searched throughout it,
but there of course was nothing there.

Specifically, I'd like an answer to my problem, but more generally, how do
I learn to solve these types of problems by myself in the future?

Thanks everyone!

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Paul Crowley wrote:
> 
> Emacs isn't really a text editor, it's an operating system.

I agree with everything you've said, but I prefer to call it (and things
like it) an *application platform*, rather than an *operating system*. 
To me, "operating system" implies things like device drivers, network
controllers, virtual memory management -- stuff that's traditionally
been handled by the Unix kernel.  There's a conceptual layer higher than
this where tools are provided that help out high-level programs, and
facilitate communication, and so on.  Emacs sits at this level; so does
any Common Lisp runtime; so does the Java runtime.

This second layer needs a name to distinguish it from the first layer,
and "application platform" is the one I've heard used most.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:

> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in mh-e
> mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).

Haven't used MH, so I'm not really sure about this, but a couple of approaches
come to mind that are already in XEmacs (but might not be activated):

browse-url - looks like a general capability, but I haven't used it.
highlight-headers - might only apply to Rmail, Gnus, and VM.
hyperbole - really powerful with hypertext buttons including recognizing
	implicit www-url buttons in any buffer that has Hyperbole activated.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:

>>> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in
>>> mh-e mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).

>> (setq highlight-headers-follow-url-function 'highlight-headers-follow-url-netscape)
>> (add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (highlight-headers (point-min)
>> (point-max) t)))

> Thank you!

> is there a corresponding function to send it to w3 instead of netscape?  I
> couldn't find one...

C-h v highlight-headers-follow-url-function
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From: dljohnston@ccmail.com
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 - ispell file, directory not found on solaris 2.5 - Help !
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I installed the binaries for 19.14 on a solaris 2.5 Ultra.  Everything 
seems to work except ispell.  I get a file, directory not found when the 
spell check button pressed.  All directories seem to be ok and ispell in 
in the package directory.  What do I look at to find the problem?

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This isn't exactly what you want, but it might be an acceptable
substitute.  When I want the screen to move up or down a single step, I
use my scroll-down-one and scroll-up-one functions.  I bind them to
M-C-Down and M-C-up as below:

     (defun scroll-up-one()
       (interactive)
       (scroll-up 1))

     (define-key global-map '(meta control down)' scroll-up-one)

     (defun scroll-down-one()
       (interactive)
       (scroll-down 1))

     (define-key global-map '(meta control up)' scroll-down-one)

For what it's worth, I use these every day.
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In article <ocrrap8cumf.fsf@spssunp.spspme.ml.com>,
Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:
> Shan`e Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:
>> When running hanoi at level 8, it doesn't finish, either in X-windows
>> mode, or tty mode.  I'm not really complaining that hanoi doesn't
>> finish, I just think someone should look into why.

> I just timed `(hanoi 3)' at 26 seconds on my Sparc20.  Since `hanoi' has
> time complexity of 2**n, then `(hanoi 8)' will take 32 times as long,
> which is 832 seconds, or just under 14 minutes.

> Perhaps you a little impatient?

Nope, it's another instance of the 19.14 redisplay bug that I see all
the time; for e.g., the GNUS splash screen can hang until you give it
some input.

Hmm, Shane's report is the most useful to date, as it narrows the bug
to the call to input-pending-p in hanoi0 (press any key when/if it
hangs).  I assume sit-for uses this as well, and that's causing the
hang in GNUS and elsewhere.

hanoi> (defun hanoi0 (n from to work)
hanoi>   (cond ((input-pending-p)
hanoi>          (signal 'quit (list "I can tell you've had enough")))

I guess (hanoi 8) just calls this often enough for the bug to manifest
itself.

-Sudish

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David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:


> > Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes: >> XEmacs calls an X window a
> frame and a view of a buffer a window.  Use >> `other-window' which
> is usually bound to "C-x o".
>  > Just FYI, it's also bound to C-TAB, which I find particularly
> useful!
>  Not that I've seen!  "C-x o" has been the standard binding for
> other-window since the days when Emacs was an enhancement to TECO.
>  "C-TAB" sounds like a local addition...


NO... I can attest C-TAB works on my system to! I haven't done much
tweaking of the key-maps.. so I think that's the way mine came.

Now what I'd like to see is a function that will cycle through all of
the buffers so you could do "C-TAB-TAB-TAB" instead of (god forbid!)
groping for the Buffers menu or hunting for that hidden window!  The
"Buffers" buffer is nice, but it's seems a bit awkward to me
sometimes... like when you have a split window and you bring up the
Buffer list and press "v"... You suddenly no longer have a split
window! GRRR!

				Jeff

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In article <Dw6tK0.2EJ@world.std.com>, eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) wrote:

>  pcrowley@csl.co.uk  wrote:

> Using that metaphore, Java is an "operating system" as well. That is
what they 
> mean when they say "Java the platform". An extensible editor for Java would 
> not need to implement it's own internal "operating system", because Java will 
> be sufficient for that purpose.

An extensible editor written on top of the Emacs core does not need
to implement it's own internal "operating system", because the
Emacs core will be sufficient for that purpose.

An extensible editor written on top of a Lisp machine does not need
to implement it's own internal "operating system", because the
Lisp machine will be sufficient :-) for that purpose.


> Java doesn't have it's own file-locking yet, but nothing stands in the way of 
> implementing it. For windows, it has the AWT, which should get a make-over 
> soon. Instead of .rc files and environment variables, it has "system 
> properties".

We all have this already. Let's reimplement it!

> Getting Java objects to interoperate is easy and fun.

Getting XYZ objects to ... is easy and fun.

> Java has pre-emptive threads (which can be made time-sliced without native 
> OS support simply by implementing a high-priority thread which periodically 
> wakes up, shuffles the order of lower priority threads, and goes back to 
> sleep)

This is very efficient!

> Java implements memory protection without even reqiring hardware support, 
> through language enforced array-bounds checking and restricted pointer 
> arithmetic.

Emacs Lisp had that for decades.


> Java has the foundation for any security policy you can imagine: by 
> subclassing java.lang.SecurityManager, you can gain complete control
over what 
> classes or threads have access to files and other system resources.

In a networked environment this is nice. Currently I'm typing this
on a PowerBook with PPP. I'm not sure if my editor should load any
Java code from the net right now.

> With technologies like ActiveX integration, Java will be extremely good at 
> dealing with things outside it's own process space.

Another claim open to be proved.

> A free JIT implementation of Java, called Kaffe, is already available,
as well 
> as a compiler named Guavac. The last peice of the puzzle, the 
> free standard class-library substitute named Kreem, is in the works.
> Soon we will have a completely free Java "operating system".

Another OS  -  on a restricted model.  When it does anything useful, tell me.
Then I may consider shutting down my Genera OS, Newton OS, Mac OS, and
Solaris.

Greetings,

Rainer Joswig

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In article <PDESHPAN.96Aug14102742@franc.dc.fore.com>
pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande) writes:

>    folding.el available everywhere seems to work only with emacs. It gives
> some errors when used with xemacs.. Can anyone point to the right place to
> get folding.el for xemacs 19.13

Try the one at the following site:
	http://www.csd.uu.se/~andersl/emacs.shtml


It's a beta release, but it should be fairly stable.  It does work
under both Emacs and XEmacs.

	-- Anders
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Richard Cognot wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Gregor" == Gregor Karl Frey <gregor.karl.frey@sap-ag.de> writes:
> 
>     Gregor> During linking the Xemacs on HP-UX 10.01 I get the
>     Gregor> following error: Can't find library for -lAlib And indeed
>     Gregor> there isnt such a lib. But what is it needed for and how
>     Gregor> can i configure to work arround?
> 
> It's the sound library. Either configure with --with-sound=none, or
> look in /opt/audio/lib. LibAlib.* should be there.
> 
> Richard.

But now the option "--with-sound=none" leads to:
ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   shl_findsym (code)
   shl_load (code)
   shl_unload (code)
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.

What now?

Bye, Gregor

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In article <m2zq3xnktc.fsf@maloche.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
David Kastrup <dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
|I just wanted to point out that the FSF does not scoff XEmacs, and
|wanted as a proof to show you the excerpt from the Emacs FAQ. However,
|it has changed from the original 19.30 one (where it was stated that
|XEmacs was designed from the start for X, supported graphics
|in-buffer, proportional fonts and some other things, and that it was
|different in some aspect from Emacs). Well, turns out that 19.31 just
|carries
|
|82:  What is the difference between Emacs and XEmacs (formerly "Lucid
|     Emacs")? 
|
|   XEmacs is a modified version of GNU Emacs.

For a one-line summary of XEmacs, this does a pretty bad job --
it seems to imply (to me at least) that XEmacs is a "set of patches"
to GNU Emacs, as some people have (wrongly) maintained.  Can't the
statement at least be more objective, like "XEmacs and GNU Emacs are
two different versions of Emacs.  They are both descended from the same
code base, but have diverged greatly since then."

ben

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Shane Holder wrote:
> 
> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.10) of Thu Aug  8 1996 on mordor
> 
> When starting xemacs with -q -nw, it tries to edit a file named -nw.
> I didn't see anything in the documentation that states that all
> options after -q are considered arguments.
> 

XEmacs 19.14, hpux 9.03

Same here. I use 'xemacs-19.14 -nw -q' and that works.
But if I try 'xemacs -q', using the link, it does not work.


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From: c.e.aarrestad@shell.no
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 for AIX 4.2: Where to get it?
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Does anyone know where I can find XEmacs 19.14 for AIX 4.2 for download? I've looked at the ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/, but 
I can only find binaries for AIX 3.2.5.

Many thanks in advance for any answers!

Erik

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I picked up this code off the web a year or two ago (sorry I lost
track of the original author) and have been using it ever since.  If
the cursor is on a bracket then it moves to the corresponding bracket,
otherwise it inserts a % into the buffer.

;; Begin code fragment

(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
  (interactive "p")
  (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
        ((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
        (t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))
(global-set-key "%" 'match-paren)

;; End code fragment

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> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Thu Aug 15 16:34:33 1996
> From: mv!gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans)
> Subject: Re: dot,vi,Is there a parenthesis-matching command?
> To: mv!xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> Just got back from out of town, but I don't think anyone has responded
> to this (oldish) thread.
> 
> >> Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last command).  I'm
> >> sure someone has found an analogue. There is a dot-mode function, but it
> >> is undocumented, so thTs line in my .emacs file doesn't help:  (autoload
> >> 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)
> 
> Dot-mode is pretty cool.  I have it set up as such in my .emacs file:
> 
> ;; Enable dot-mode; there's probably a more appropriate hook to use
> ;; for this.
> (require 'dot-mode)
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks '(lambda () (dot-mode t)))
> 
> Then C-. will repeat the last bunch of commands you did.  Very vi-ish.
> 
> 
> Paul said:
> > The trouble with "." (and I do have a vague idea what this one does)
> > is that, because emacs is modeless there is no clear idea of what "the
> > last insert" was. 
> 
> Dot-mode works by remembering all keystrokes that don't involve cursor
> movement.  This does what I want it to all of the time, especially once I
> knew that this was how it worked.
> 
> Hope this helps.

Is there more to it? I get no results. Is it supposed to repeat only
the last command, or do you have to indicate where to start remembering
commands, a la keyboard macro?

Thomas Steger
steger@tautron.com

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From: Charles Wingate <caw@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
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Jeff Greenlee writes:
 > Now what I'd like to see is a function that will cycle through all of
 > the buffers so you could do "C-TAB-TAB-TAB" instead of (god forbid!)
 > groping for the Buffers menu or hunting for that hidden window!  The
 > "Buffers" buffer is nice, but it's seems a bit awkward to me
 > sometimes... like when you have a split window and you bring up the
 > Buffer list and press "v"... You suddenly no longer have a split
 > window! GRRR!
 > 

I use the f8 key:

;;; This function allows you to cycle through buffers
(define-key global-map [f8] '(lambda ()
				(interactive)
				(bury-buffer)))


Chuck Wingate



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>>>>> "Gregor" == Gregor Karl Frey <gregor.karl.frey@sap-ag.de> writes:
    >> 
    >>  It's the sound library. Either configure with
    >> --with-sound=none, or look in /opt/audio/lib. LibAlib.* should
    >> be there.
    >> 
    >> Richard.

    Gregor> But now the option "--with-sound=none" leads to: ld:
    Gregor> Unsatisfied symbols: shl_findsym (code) shl_load (code)
    Gregor> shl_unload (code) *** Error exit code 1

    Gregor> Stop.

    Gregor> What now?

Sounds like -ldld didn't get added tot the link line. Did you
configure with --dynamic=yes?

Alternatively, try configuring with:
    --with-sound=native --native-sound-lib=/opt/audio/lib/libAlib.sl
(or .a) (This is supposed to work on suns, so I don't know if it'll
work on HP)

OR
    --with-sound=native and $LDOPTS set to "-L/opt/audio/lib"
OR
    --with-sound=native --site-libraries="/opt/audio/lib /whatever/you/need"

Funny thing is, I've got a link in /usr/lib/ to libAlib.sl... Are you
sure your system install is not wrong? Or is /opt/audio/lib/ not there?

Richard.

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>> Dot-mode is pretty cool.  I have it set up as such in my .emacs file:
>> 
>> ;; Enable dot-mode; there's probably a more appropriate hook to use
>> ;; for this.
>> (require 'dot-mode)
>> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks '(lambda () (dot-mode t)))
>> 
>> Then C-. will repeat the last bunch of commands you did.  Very vi-ish.
> 
> Is there more to it? I get no results. Is it supposed to repeat only
> the last command, or do you have to indicate where to start remembering
> commands, a la keyboard macro?

Are you sure you're in dot-mode in the buffer you're experimenting with?
It'll say "Dot" in the list of minor modes in the modeline.  If you used
the above code to enable it, you have to open a file -- not just go into
the scratch buffer -- to be in dot-mode  (or do M-x dot-mode).

Then all you should need to do is type a few characters, and press 
C-. (control and dot). 

The only other thing I can think of is perhaps dot-mode.el isn't in
your path, and so it can't be loaded.  It's not part of the standard
XEmacs distribution.



--
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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca>
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Subject: ps-print-with-faces in vm
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Hi,

Is there a way to use ps-print-region-with-faces (or something like that)
to print a message in VM? 

Frederic
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pcrowley@csl.co.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:

>Emacs isn't really a text editor, it's an operating system.  Our
>standard operating systems don't provide enough ways for our
>processes to talk to each other, so Emacs wraps the whole thing up
>into a Lisp interpreter and encourages us to make things happen by
>calling Lisp functions from other modules.

You already have one - it called VM/CMS with Rexx as the language..

Anil

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 joswig@lavielle.com (Rainer Joswig) wrote:
>Another OS  -  on a restricted model.  When it does anything useful, tell me.
>Then I may consider shutting down my Genera OS, Newton OS, Mac OS, and
>Solaris.

Why not KEEP all of your old operating systems, and run Java inside of them?  
(well, only Mac and Solaris for now, but someday probably Genera and Newton as 
well) Java is only an "OS" in the sense of being an application platform: it 
doesn't hog the machine all to itself like a traditional OS. You don't have to 
shut down or give up anything, if you don't want to. Java lets you have your 
cake, and eat it too!

-Eugene

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From: Martin Pauly <pauly@Papin.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE>
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Hello everybody!

I'm sorry, if this question has already been answered in some FAQ or the like;
I'm still quite new to emacs. (I like it, though!)

I have recently switched over to VM instead of DEC dxmail for reading and
sending email. Of course, I would like to convert my mail folders so that
VM can use them. Both formats seem to be ASCII the DEC being the simpler one.
Are there any ready-made tools for this or do I have to write my own script?

Any hints are very much appreciated
Martin

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>>>>> "JT" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:

    JT> Jinx ==> Jinx is not XEmacs

My bad.  Of course, you're right!

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>>>>> "SE" == Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com> writes:

    SE> ;; Enable dot-mode; there's probably a more appropriate hook
    SE> ;; to use for this. 
    SE> (require 'dot-mode) 
    SE> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks '(lambda () (dot-mode t)))

    SE> Then C-. will repeat the last bunch of commands you did.  Very
    SE> vi-ish.

Hmm...where do I find "dot-mode.el"? Did I miss here anything?

Markus

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Dear all,

Oops! I forgot to include the tool bar icon file.  Please add this to the list.

Thanks,
Hung.


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;;; sun-eos-toolbar.el --- Implements the EOS toolbar interface

;; Copyright (C) 21 Aug 1995  Sun Microsystems, Inc.

;; Maintainer:	Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart <eduardo.pelegri-llopart@Eng.Sun.COM>
;; Author:      Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart <eduardo.pelegri-llopart@Eng.Sun.COM>
;; Version:	1.19
;; Header:	@(#) sun-eos-toolbar.el: v1.19 95/12/15 10:11:01

;; Keywords:	SPARCworks EOS Era on SPARCworks toolbar

;; History:
;;
;;   15-dec-95  Hung V. Bui (hvb@netrix.com)
;;     Add the Finish toolbar icon.
;;

;;; Commentary:

;; Please send feedback to eduardo.pelegri-llopart@eng.sun.com

;;; Code:

(defvar eos::toolbar-icon-directory
  (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "eos" data-directory)))

(defvar eos::toolbar-run-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	s FgColor c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"+	c #000077770000\",
\"@	c #000044440000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                 .......    \",
\"                            \",
\"     .....                  \",
\"     .X+@.       .......    \",
\"     .X+@.                  \",
\"  ......@....               \",
\"   .XXX++++.     .......    \",
\"    .XX++@.                 \",
\"     .@+@.                  \",
\"      .@.        .......    \",
\"       .                    \",
\"                            \",
\"                 .......    \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                 .......    \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-run.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Run icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-type-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"X	c #000000000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"     XX XX                  \",
\"     XX XX                  \",
\"   XXXX XXXX  XX XX         \",
\"  XX XX XX XX XX XX  XXX  X \",
\"  XX XX XX XX  XXX   X X X  \",
\"  XX XX XX XX   X    XXXX   \",
\"  XX XX XX XX  XXX     XXXX \",
\"  XX XX XX XX XX XX   X X X \",
\"   XXX   XXX  XX XX  X  XXX \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-type.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Type-at icon pair.")


(defvar eos::toolbar-stop-at-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #4B4B4B4B4B4B\",
\"X	c #FFFFFFFFFFFF\",
\"o	c #AFAFAFAFAFAF\",
\"O	c #FFFF00000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"          ........          \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOoX.     \",
\"    .XoOOOOOOOOXOOOOOoX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOOOOXXOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOXXXXXXXXOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOXXXXXXXXXOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOXXXXXXXXOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOOOOXXOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOOOOXOOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoX.    \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOOX.     \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"          ........          \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-stop.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Stop At icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-clear-at-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #4B4B4B4B4B4B\",
\"X	c #FFFFFFFFFFFF\",
\"o	c #AFAFAFAFAFAF\",
\"O	c #FFFF00000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"          ........          \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOoX.     \",
\"    .XoOOOXXOOOOXXOOOoX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOXXOOXXOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOXXXXOOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOOXXOOOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOOXXXXOOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOOXXOOXXOOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOOXXOOOOXXOOOOX.    \",
\"    .XoOOOXOOOOOOXOOOoX.    \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOoX.     \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"          ........          \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-clear-at.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Clear At icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-stop-in-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #4B4B4B4B4B4B\",
\"X	c #FFFFFFFFFFFF\",
\"o	c #AFAFAFAFAFAF\",
\"O	c #FFFF00000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"          ........          \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOOOOOoX.     \",
\"    .XoOOOOOOOOOXOXOOoX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXXXXOOXOOOXOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXOOOOOXOOOXOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXOOOOOXOOOXOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXXXOOXOOOOOXOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXOOOOOXOOOXOOX.    \",
\"    .XOOOXOOOOOXOOOXOOX.    \",
\"    .XoOOXOOOOOXOOOXOoX.    \",
\"     .XoOOOOOOOOXOXOoX.     \",
\"      .XoOOOOOOOOOOoX.      \",
\"       .XoOOOOOOOOoX.       \",
\"        .XoOOOOOOoX.        \",
\"         .XXXXXXXX.         \",
\"          ........          \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-stop-in.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
    "A Stop in icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"O	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"+	c #000077770000\",
\"@	c #000044440000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"      .....   .......       \",
\"     .OOOO.                 \",
\"    .O++++.                 \",
\"    .O+....   ........      \",
\"    .O+.                    \",
\"    .O+. .                  \",
\"    .O+. ..                 \",
\"    .O+. .O.                \",
\"    .O+...O@.    .......    \",
\"    .O++OOO+@.              \",
\"    .O+++++++@.             \",
\"     .++++++@.   .......    \",
\"      ....O@.               \",
\"         .O.                \",
\"         ..      .......    \",
\"         .                  \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-step-into.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Step Into icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-finish-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"O	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"+	c #000077770000\",
\"@	c #000044440000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"      .....         .....   \",
\"     .OOOO.                 \",
\"    .O++++.                 \",
\"    .O+....         .....   \",
\"    .O+.                    \",
\"    .O+. .                  \",
\"    .O+. ..         .....   \",
\"    .O+. .O.                \",
\"    .O+...O@.               \",
\"    .O++OOO+@.              \",
\"    .O+++++++@.             \",
\"     .++++++@.              \",
\"      ....O@.    ........   \",
\"         .O.                \",
\"         ..                 \",
\"         .       ........   \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-finish.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Finish icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"+	c #000077770000\",
\"@	c #000044440000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"      .....                 \",
\"     .XXXX.      .......    \",
\"    .X++++.                 \",
\"    .X+....                 \",
\"    .X+.         .......    \",
\"    .X+. .                  \",
\"    .X+. ..                 \",
\"    .X+. .X.     .......    \",
\"    .X+...X@.               \",
\"    .X++XXX+@.              \",
\"    .X+++++++@.  .......    \",
\"     .++++++@.              \",
\"      ....X@.               \",
\"         .X.     .......    \",
\"         ..                 \",
\"         .                  \",
\"                 .......    \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-step-over.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Step Over icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"         ....               \",
\"         .. ..  ......      \",
\"         .. ..  ......      \",
\"         .. ..              \",
\"         .. ..  ......      \",
\"         .. ..  ......      \",
\"         ....               \",
\"         ..                 \",
\"         ..                 \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-evaluate.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Evaluate icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"X	c #000000000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"     XX XX                  \",
\"      XXX                   \",
\"    XXXXXXX                 \",
\"      XXX   XXXX            \",
\"     XX XX  XX XX XXXXXX    \",
\"            XX XX XXXXXX    \",
\"            XX XX           \",
\"            XX XX XXXXXX    \",
\"            XX XX XXXXXX    \",
\"            XXXX            \",
\"            XX              \",
\"            XX              \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-evaluate-star.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Evaluate Star icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-fix-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 8 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #7D7D7D7D7D7D\",
\"X	c #000000000000\",
\"o	c #FFFFFFFF0000\",
\"O	c #FFFF99990000\",
\"+	c #FFFFCCCC3333\",
\"@	c #CCCC9999FFFF\",
\"#	c #99996666CCCC\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"         .XX.               \",
\"         XoOXX.             \",
\"        .Xo+OOXXX.          \",
\"        Xo++++OOOXXX        \",
\"       .Xo+++++++OOOX.      \",
\"       Xo++++++OOOXX.       \",
\"      .Xo++++OOXXX.         \",
\"      Xo++OOOXX.            \",
\"     .XoOOOXXXXXXXXXXXX     \",
\"     XoOXXX@@@@@@@@@@@X     \",
\"     XXX##############X     \",
\"      X@##############X     \",
\"      XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX     \",
\"      X@@@@X     X@@@@X     \",
\"      X@###X     X@###X     \",
\"      X@###X     X@###X     \",
\"      X@###X     X@###X     \",
\"      X@###X     X@###X     \",
\"      XXXXXX     XXXXXX     \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-fix.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Fix icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-run2-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	s FgColor c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"o	c #000077770000\",
\"O	c #000044440000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                .           \",
\"                ..          \",
\"                .X.         \",
\"     ............XX.        \",
\"     .XXXXXXXXXXXXoX.       \",
\"     .XoooooooooooooX.      \",
\"     .Xooooooooooooooo.     \",
\"     .XoooooooooooooO.      \",
\"     .oOOOOOOOOOOOoO.       \",
\"     ............OO.        \",
\"                .O.         \",
\"                ..          \",
\"                .           \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-run2.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Run icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-cont-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 6 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"O	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"+	c #000077770000\",
\"@	c #000044440000\",
\"o	c #FFFF00000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"      .....   .......       \",
\"     .OOOO.                 \",
\"    .O++++.                 \",
\"    .O+....   ........      \",
\"    .O+.                    \",
\"    .O+. .                  \",
\"    .O+. ..                 \",
\"    .O+. .O.                \",
\"    .O+...O@.     ..        \",
\"    .O++OOO+@.   .oo.       \",
\"    .O+++++++@. .oooo.      \",
\"     .++++++@.  .oooo.      \",
\"      ....O@.    .oo.       \",
\"         .O.      ..        \",
\"         ..                 \",
\"         .                  \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-cont.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Cont icon pair.")	  
		      

(defvar eos::toolbar-up-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 8 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	s FgColor c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #CCCC9999FFFF\",
\"o	c #99996666CCCC\",
\"O	c #FFFFFFFF0000\",
\"+	c #FFFFCCCC3333\",
\"@	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"#	c #000077770000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                  .         \",
\"                 ...        \",
\"      ........  .....       \",
\"      .XXXXXX. .......      \",
\"      .Xooooo.   ...        \",
\"      .Xooooo.   ...        \",
\"      .Xooooo.   ...        \",
\"      .Xooooo.   ...        \",
\"      .O+++++.   ...        \",
\"      .O+++++.   ...        \",
\"      .O+++++.              \",
\"      .O+++++.              \",
\"      .O+++++.              \",
\"      .@#####.              \",
\"      .@#####.              \",
\"      .@#####.              \",
\"      .@#####.              \",
\"      .@#####.              \",
\"      ........              \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-up.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Up icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-down-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 8 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	s FgColor c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #CCCC9999FFFF\",
\"o	c #99996666CCCC\",
\"O	c #FFFFFFFF0000\",
\"+	c #FFFFCCCC3333\",
\"@	c #0000FFFF0000\",
\"#	c #000077770000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"      ........              \",
\"      .XXXXXX.              \",
\"      .Xooooo.              \",
\"      .Xooooo.              \",
\"      .Xooooo.              \",
\"      .Xooooo.              \",
\"      .O+++++.    ...       \",
\"      .O+++++.    ...       \",
\"      .O+++++.    ...       \",
\"      .O+++++.    ...       \",
\"      .O+++++.    ...       \",
\"      .@#####.    ...       \",
\"      .@#####.  .......     \",
\"      .@#####.   .....      \",
\"      .@#####.    ...       \",
\"      .@#####.     .        \",
\"      ........              \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-down.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Down icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-build-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 8 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\".	c #000000000000\",
\"X	c #CCCC9999FFFF\",
\"o	c #99996666CCCC\",
\"O	c #FFFFFFFF0000\",
\"+	c #FFFFCCCC3333\",
\"@	c #FFFF99990000\",
\"#	c #FFFF66666666\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                ......      \",
\"                .XXXX.      \",
\"                .Xooo.      \",
\"                .Xooo.      \",
\"                .Xooo.      \",
\"                .Xooo.      \",
\"           .    .Xooo.      \",
\"          .O.   .Xooo.      \",
\"         .O+@.  .Xooo.      \",
\"        .O+++@. .Xooo.      \",
\"       .O+++++@..Xooo.      \",
\"      .O+++++++@.Xooo.      \",
\"     .O+++..............    \",
\"    .O@@@@.            .    \",
\"    ....... ###########.    \",
\"          . ###########.    \",
\"          . ###########.    \",
\"          ..............    \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-build.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Build icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-dismiss-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * file[] = {
\"28 28 5 1\",
\" 	c #C8C8C8C8C8C8 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"X	c #4B4B4B4B4B4B\",
\". 	c #FFFFFFFFFFFF\",
\"o	c #AFAFAFAFAFAF\",
\"O	c #FFFF00000000\",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"       X            X       \",
\"       XX          XX       \",
\"        XX        XX        \",
\"         XX      XX         \",
\"          XX    XX          \",
\"           XX  XX           \",
\"            XXXX            \",
\"             XX             \",
\"            XXXX            \",
\"           XX  XX           \",
\"          XX    XX          \",
\"         XX      XX         \",
\"        XX        XX        \",
\"       XX          XX       \",
\"       X            X       \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \",
\"                            \"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-dismiss.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "A Dismiss icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-intro-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * info[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\"X	c Gray75 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"o	c #000077770000\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooooXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-intro.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "An intro icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-introD-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * info[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\"X	c Gray75 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"o	c #000077770000\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoooXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXoooooooooXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoooXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-introD.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "An intro icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-introDB-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * info[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\"X	c Gray75 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"o	c #000077770000\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXoooXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXoooooXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXoooooooXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXoooooooooXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXoXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXoooXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-introDB.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "An intro icon pair.")

(defvar eos::toolbar-introB-icon
  (if (featurep 'xpm)
      (toolbar-make-button-list
       "/* XPM */
static char * info[] = {
\"28 28 2 1\",
\"X	c Gray75 s backgroundToolBarColor\",
\"o	c #000077770000\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXXXXXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXoooooXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXoooooooXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXoooooooooXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoXXoXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXoooXXX\",
\"XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\"};")
    (toolbar-make-button-list
     (expand-file-name "eos-introB.xbm" eos::toolbar-icon-directory)))
  "An intro icon pair.")


(defvar eos::debugger-toolbar
      '(
	[eos::toolbar-introD-icon
	 eos::sw-intro
	 t
	 "Show Introduction to Eos"]
	[eos::toolbar-stop-at-icon
	 eos::stop-at
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "stop at: Stop at selected position"]
	[eos::toolbar-stop-in-icon
	 eos::stop-in
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "stop in: Stop in function whose name is selected"]
	[eos::toolbar-clear-at-icon
	 eos::clear-at
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "clear at: Clear at selected position"]
	[eos::toolbar-run-icon
	 eos::run
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "run: Run current program"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
	 eos::print
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print: Evaluate selected expression; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
	 eos::print*
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print *: Evaluate selected expression as a pointer; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-up-icon
	 eos::up
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "up: move in stack towards \"cooler\" (less recently visited) frames"]
	[eos::toolbar-down-icon
	 eos::down
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "down: move in stack towards \"warmer\" (more recently visited) frames)"]
	[eos::toolbar-cont-icon
	 eos::cont
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "cont: Continue current program"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
	 eos::next
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "next: Step over subprogram calls"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
	 eos::step
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "step: Step into subprogram calls)"]
	[eos::toolbar-build-icon
	 eos::build
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "make: Build target"]
	[eos::toolbar-fix-icon
	 eos::fix
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "fix: Fix file"]
	[eos::toolbar-type-icon
	 eos::type
	 (or (and (eq eos::dbx-or-debugger 'debugger)
		  eos::current-debugger-clique-id)
	     (and (eq eos::dbx-or-debugger 'dbx)
		  (eos::dbx-process)
		  (eq (process-status (eos::dbx-process)) 'run)))
	 "Type a Dbx command"]
	))

(defvar eos::debugger-sbrowser-toolbar
      '(
	[eos::toolbar-introDB-icon
	 eos::sw-intro
	 t
	 "Show Introduction to Eos"]
	[eos::toolbar-stop-at-icon
	 eos::stop-at
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "stop at: Stop at selected position"]
	[eos::toolbar-stop-in-icon
	 eos::stop-in
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "stop in: Stop in function whose name is selected"]
	[eos::toolbar-clear-at-icon
	 eos::clear-at
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "clear at: Clear at selected position"]
	[eos::toolbar-run-icon
	 eos::run
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "run: Run current program"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
	 eos::print
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print: Evaluate selected expression; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
	 eos::print*
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print *: Evaluate selected expression as a pointer; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-up-icon
	 eos::up
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "up: move in stack towards \"cooler\" (less recently visited) frames"]
	[eos::toolbar-down-icon
	 eos::down
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "down: move in stack towards \"warmer\" (more recently visited) frames)"]
	[eos::toolbar-cont-icon
	 eos::cont
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "cont: Continue current program"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
	 eos::next
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "next: Step over subprogram calls"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
	 eos::step
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "step: Step into subprogram calls)"]
	[eos::toolbar-build-icon
	 eos::build
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "make: Build target"]
	[eos::toolbar-fix-icon
	 eos::fix
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "fix: Fix file"]
	[eos::toolbar-type-icon
	 eos::type
	 (or (and (eq eos::dbx-or-debugger 'debugger)
		  eos::current-debugger-clique-id)
	     (and (eq eos::dbx-or-debugger 'dbx)
		  (eos::dbx-process)
		  (eq (process-status (eos::dbx-process)) 'run)))
	 "Type a Dbx command"]
	))

(defvar eos::sbrowser-toolbar
      '([eos::toolbar-introB-icon
	 eos::sw-intro
	 t
	 "Show Introduction to Eos"]
	))

(defvar eos::print-toolbar
      '(
	[eos::toolbar-intro-icon
	 eos::sw-intro
	 t
	 "Show Introduction to Eos"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-icon
	 eos::print
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print: Evaluate selected expression; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-evaluate-star-icon
	 eos::print*
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "print *: Evaluate selected expression as a pointer; shows in separate XEmacs frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-cont-icon
	 eos::cont-and-dismiss
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "cont & dismiss: Continue current program and dismiss this frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-over-icon
	 eos::next-and-dismiss
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "next  & dismiss: Step over subprogram calls and dismiss this frame"]
	[eos::toolbar-step-into-icon
	 eos::step-and-dismiss
	 eos::current-debugger-clique-id
	 "step & dismiss: Step into subprogram calls and dismiss this frame)"]
	[eos::toolbar-dismiss-icon
	 eos::dismiss-print-frame
	 t
	 "dismiss (make invisible) this print frame"]
	))

(defun eos::toolbar-position ()
  (let ((pos (default-toolbar-position)))
    (cond ((eq pos 'top) top-toolbar)
	  ((eq pos 'bottom) bottom-toolbar)
	  ((eq pos 'left) left-toolbar)
	  ((eq pos 'right) right-toolbar)
	  (t top-toolbar))))

(provide 'eos-toolbar)

;;; sun-eos-toolbar.el ends here

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I just switched to fvwm and I've got two problems:

1. When a frame is created, focus correctly moves to that window, as
in C-x 5 m . When that frame is deleted, XEmacs does not have window
focus. Any way to fix that?

2. Coordinates for drawing frames are shifted. It seems that 22, not 0
or 1, is the top of the screen.

Could anybody share their favorite settings for .fvwmrc and .emacs to
make things work more properly?

Thanks!

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: Re: Customizing C/C++ indentation
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:16:25 -0400
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I got the basis for this from someone from this newsgroup about 2 months
ago, but I don't remember who it was.  I just modified it to suite my
own needs.  It is pretty straight forward, but you probably need a few
hours to goof around with it.

It also has the feature of when pressing <TAB>, will display on the
bottom of the screen, what type of block you are in.  This is very
useful in determining what needs to be changed.

Good luck.

;; Modzelewski C and C++ style indenting
;; =====================================
(defconst my-c-style
'(
  (c-echo-syntactic-information-p . t)
  (c-basic-offset . 3)
  (c-offsets-alist .
          ((string                . -1000)
        (c                     . c-lineup-C-comments)
        (defun-open            . +)
        (defun-close           . 0)
        (defun-block-intro     . 0)
        (class-open            . +)
        (class-close           . +)
        (inline-open           . +)
        (inline-close          . 0)
        (ansi-funcdecl-cont    . +)
        (knr-argdecl-intro     . ++)
        (knr-argdecl           . +)
        (topmost-intro         . 0)
        (topmost-intro-cont    . 0)
        (member-init-intro     . +)
        (member-init-cont      . 0)
        (inher-intro           . +)
        (inher-cont            . c-lineup-multi-inher)
        (block-open            . 0)
        (block-close           . 0)
        (brace-list-open       . 0)
        (brace-list-close      . 0)
        (brace-list-intro      . +)
        (brace-list-entry      . 0)
        (statement             . 0)
        (statement-cont        . +)
        (statement-block-intro . 0)
        (statement-case-intro  . +)
        (statement-case-open   . 0)
        (substatement          . +)
        (substatement-open     . +)
        (case-label            . 0)
        (access-label          . +)
        (label                 . -1000)
        (do-while-closure      . 0)
        (else-clause           . 0)
        (arglist-intro         . -1000)
        (arglist-close         . c-lineup-arglist)
        (arglist-cont          . 0)
        (arglist-cont-nonempty . c-lineup-arglist)
        (stream-op             . c-lineup-streamop)
        (inclass               . 0)
        (cpp-macro             . -1000)
        (friend                . 0)
        (public                . 0)
        (private                . 0)
        (objc-method-intro     . -1000)
        (objc-method-args-cont . c-lineup-ObjC-method-args)
        (objc-method-call-cont . c-lineup-ObjC-method-call)
        ))
  (c-comment-only-line-offset . (0 . -1000))
  (c-hanging-braces-alist        . ((substatement-open 0)
                (brace-list-open)))
  (c-hanging-colons-alist . ((member-init-intro before)
                (inher-intro)
               (case-label after)
                (label after)
                (access-label after)))
  (c-cleanup-list . (scope-operator
                empty-defun-braces
                defun-close-semi))
  )
"Modzelewski C Programming Style")
;; Customizations for all of c-mode, c++-mode, and objc-mode
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (c-add-style "MODZELEWSKI" my-c-style t)
  (setq tab-width 4
                indent-tabs-mode nil
                font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
  )
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

-- 
	Brent Modzelewski
	Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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Does gnus have killfile capability? If so, how do I use it?

--rick

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From: alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk (Alaric B. Williams)
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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> wrote:

>> Emacs isn't really a text editor, it's an operating system.

>I agree with everything you've said, but I prefer to call it (and things
>like it) an *application platform*, rather than an *operating system*. 
>To me, "operating system" implies things like device drivers, network
>controllers, virtual memory management -- stuff that's traditionally
>been handled by the Unix kernel.  There's a conceptual layer higher than
>this where tools are provided that help out high-level programs, and
>facilitate communication, and so on.  Emacs sits at this level; so does
>any Common Lisp runtime; so does the Java runtime.

>This second layer needs a name to distinguish it from the first layer,
>and "application platform" is the one I've heard used most.

<RANT>

I'd like to integrate the two to some extent. An operating environment
that is defined like the Java VM but in some more depth - ie, covering
things like filing systems - could be implemented in many ways on many
platforms. And it'd be pretty cool to code for.

This kind of system would have a standard way of creating persistent
user-level objects like "Text Files" whose /class/ would be
responsible for editing them. Something like a text file would have a
pretty standard layout on disk, so a file with class 'Text' would
arrive on one's system, and one's 'emacs' Text Class would
automatically define behaviour for it.

When you copy a file, it's Class may or may not follow depending on
preference. Things like Text or PNG Image would never get their
classes copied - their behavious is too user dependent and common -
who won't have a Text class???? The 'OS' would need to know which
classes are guaranteed to be on any compliant system, so as to avoid
copying them. In fact, it would probably not copy any classes by
default; copying your entire "Microsoft Excel" class for each
spreadsheet could slooooow things down a bit...

Things like remote method invocation should be AUTOMATIC. All the
files on all computers on a network form a global object soup (a la
WWW) which can interefer just as easily if they're on this machine or
another.

To make this speedy, it'd probably be a good idea to have two levels
of objects... one is purely local, much like a Java object. The other
is what the user sees - a file. It has associated security tags
(Access Control List), an associative array of information on how it
is to appear in a directory view (Textual Name, 2D Icon, 3D Model,
Recorded Thought Pattern...), a Class Name, and a chunk of data of a
format known only to the class.

A Class is an object of class Class, which contains some code in some
bytecode language which defines the behaviour of that file class.

Terminology Clearup Time - a user-visible persistent object is a File,
and has a Type. A programmer-visible memory object is just an Object
with a Class.

When a message comes to a File, if it is in memory already, then a
thread is started at a given method of the Object that the file's Type
points to. If it isn't, the file's Type name is used to find the File
containing this Object. These Object files would be something like a
Java class file - when a message comes to a File, that Class is
loaded, and instantiated, being passed the access details to the
File's data fork.

It could unserialise Objects from this fork, or use it in random
access mode like a database, or whatever. 

These File messages would be high level, slow, things, with the full
gamut of security checks and network transparencies. They will usually
only start a transaction, which is continued over traditional network
streams and packet address. Example: Interaction; a user interface
object would, when it's representation of another object is clicked
upon, send an 'Interact?' message to the target object, listing the
types of interaction it can provide (TTY, Text canvas drawing
commands/input device events, Graphics canvas/event stream, 2D GUI
window, etc) and including the full address of a TCP port or whatever
which the target object can use to talk interaction along.

Oh, yeah... things like hardware drivers provide a platform specific
low level binary interface. Things like games can plug right into this
interface from the local machine only, whereas most apps communicate
via a user agent object which has claimed the devices and provides a
platform independent interface.

Classes on disk aren't only used as File Types, they can be loaded as
'shared libraries' as well. The basic Class of a File Type should be
as small as possible to speed up loading, and pass the work onto other
Classes for each task.

Also, for those really fast bits, code can request the creation of a
Protected Address Space and have binaries loaded into it. These
binaries are compiled from a mostly platform independent low level
language like C or FORTH.

The bytecode language can play with pointers into these protected
spaces as much as they want, since they own them; the code within is
governed by hardware memory protection, however, so there's no
security leak, just a low level speed interface.

Et Cetera.

</RANT>

ABW

--
I have become... Comfortably numb...

Alaric B. Williams Internet : alaric@abwillms.demon.co.uk
<A HREF="http://www.hardcafe.co.uk/Alaric/">http://www.hardcafe.co.uk/Alaric/</A>


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Ok I've posted and I've read all the documentation I can.
Every single comment, response, approach etc. has failed.

Clean installs, fresh builds, upgrading OS's etc. Not once have I EVER
GOTTEN anything to print from XEmacs in my sparc5. Zero, nothing,
zilch, notta.  I actually quit pissed by the whole matter.  This is
not rocket science.  I've written countless programs that can print in
UNIX.  So why does XEmacs have so much trouble.  Some people say they
have never seen anything wrong, others say Oh it's just this little
line, and other are in my boat.  This is a BUG a HUGE BUG. The whole
proccess of printing in XEmacs 19.14 is error prone and almost
impossible costumize.

I get "atom errors".
I get mystery errors about options, options that are confirmed not to be set.
  or if they are set it's not what I set them too.
I get garbled postcript buffers.  (I know postscript and this is not valid postscript)
And none of it is consistant except for the atom errors.

My question is.
When is the 19.15 bug release coming?  There are too many small bugs in 19.14
to let it sit for more than 4 or 5 months.

I've made a lot of people XEmacs converts but now there going back to FSF
why??  It's simple BUGS.

I love XEmacs but the artificial frustration it's introducing is getting
really annoying.

Yes I'm ranting/venting. Flame if you want I'll toss the flames and read
the real responses anyway as usual.


marker doesn't point anywere.
can not deduce font.
printing.
mystery lockups.
And these are from the precompiled binaries.

Mark Daku

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Subject: HELP: horizontal scrolling in minibuffer?
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Dear all,

How do I do such thing in the minibuffer (in particular xemacs-19.14)?

Please also reply via email.

Thanks for your help.

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Subject: [19.14] BUG: nil `minibuffer' Frame Property Not Remembered?
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In XEmacs 19.14, it appears that a `nil' `minibuffer' frame property is not
remembered.  For example:

	(setq foo-frame (make-frame '(minibuffer nil)))
	=> #<x-frame "emacs" 0x19d2>
	;; `foo-frame' appears, and it has no minibuffer.

	(frame-property frame 'minibuffer)
	=> t

`frame-properties' shows that the `minibuffer' has a `t' value as well.  Can
anybody reproduce this behavior?

Eric.

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In XEmacs 19.14, it appears that `frame-properties' returns a list that does
not include the `menubar-visible-p' pseudo-property.  For instance:

	(setq foo-frame (make-frame '(menubar-visible-p nil)))
	=> #<x-frame "emacs" 0x1a4d>
	;; The new frame appears without a menubar.

	(frame-property foo-frame 'menubar-visible-p 'default)
	=> nil
	;; Correct value returned.

	(frame-properties foo-frame)
	=> (name "emacs" height 55 ...)
	;; List without a `menubar-visible-p' property.

Note that the `default-toolbar-visible-p' pseudo-property is returned by
`frame-properties' when it has a specified value.

Is there a bug here, or am I misunderstanding how the specifier pseudo-frame-
properties are supposed to work?

Eric.

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From: Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com>
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Subject: QuickShot menus
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:49:51 -0700
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I a product my company just put out,  we put in a gesture based menu
system.  The way it works is

Hold down the right mouse button.  In less than a second, 8
labels/buttons appear around your cursor.  Move to one of the buttons
(while still holding the mouse button down) and as soon as you enter it
of the buttons, the old set goes away and 8 (or less) new buttons/labels
appear around the cursor.  Moving to one of these, causes an action.

For example.  Press mouse button 3 and let's say the buttons "File",
"Edit", "Apps", "Options", "Tools", etc appear.  Moving to "Edit" causes
"Cut", "Copy", "Paste" etc. to show up.

So let's say I press mouse button 3 and the first set appears and I move
LEFT to the "Edit" button.  Next I move DOWN to the "Cut" button.  So
that's not much different than a popup menu.  But let's say I press
button 3 and QUICKLY move left, pause for a fraction of a second and
then move down, stop and release the button.  Without having the buttons
pop up, I've done "Edit"->"Cut".  

IN the same way, saving a file could be a quick press->right->up.

You can get 64 (8x8) most often used menu items available with simple
mouse gestures.  With control keys, you could be 128 (or 192 with the
alt).

Many thanks to the XEmacs person who does this.  My lisp/emacs knowledge
is no way up to the task.  But I can always hope that someone out there
in XEmacs land will take up the challange.

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From: Brent Modzelewski <brentm@wpi.edu>
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Subject: Re: fvwm problems
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:28:52 -0400
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Justin Gordon wrote:
> 
> I just switched to fvwm and I've got two problems:
> 
> 1. When a frame is created, focus correctly moves to that window, as
> in C-x 5 m . When that frame is deleted, XEmacs does not have window
> focus. Any way to fix that?
That is a FVWM setup issue.  I have mine set so the window in focus is
window with the mouse cursor over it.  You may want to check out the
fvwm faq.


> 2. Coordinates for drawing frames are shifted. It seems that 22, not 0
> or 1, is the top of the screen.
That means when you are specifying your -geometry, you are making the
size too big to fit on the screen.  Wierd things happen then.  Try using
a smaller geometry first, then increasing it.


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From: gaba@ix.netcom.com (James Gaba)
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Subject: warnings in xemacs for hp-ux 9.05
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hi, i'm getting annoying warning messages when i start up xemacs in hp-ux 
9.05.  does anyone know to get rid of these or supress warning messages?

here are the warning messages:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


2) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce an italic version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


3) (font/warning) xe: couldn't deduce a bold version of 
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"


4) (key-mapping/warning) 
The meanings of the modifier bits Mod1 through Mod5 are determined
by the keysyms used to control those bits.  Mod1 does NOT always
mean Meta, although some non-ICCCM-compliant programs assume that.

5) (key-mapping/warning) 
Two distinct modifier keys (such as Meta and Hyper) cannot generate
the same modifier bit, because Emacs won't be able to tell which
modifier was actually held down when some other key is pressed.  It
won't be able to tell Meta-x and Hyper-x apart, for example.  Change
one of these keys to use some other modifier bit.  If you intend for
these keys to have the same behavior, then change them to have the
same keysym as well as the same modifier bit.

6) (key-mapping/warning) XEmacs:  Mod1 is being used for both Mode_switch and 
Meta.


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From: gary@cs.su.oz.au (Gary Capell)
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Subject: Re: QuickShot menus
Date: 17 Aug 1996 10:22:33 +1000
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Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com> writes:

>I a product my company just put out,  we put in a gesture based menu
>system.  The way it works is

The more common name for this system is Pie Menus.  I used a window
manager with pie menus for quite a while.  They're neat.
-- 
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> The only other thing I can think of is perhaps dot-mode.el isn't in
> your path, and so it can't be loaded.  It's not part of the standard
> XEmacs distribution.

Anyone know where it find dot-mode.el?

-- 
	Ron Olsen
	ronolsen@lucent.com
	Boulder Colorado


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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Crampton <eric@ecrampto.async.vt.edu> writes:

Eric> But, some fonts are still not right, I need to make more
Eric> adjustments. For instance, in Info (C-h i) the little
Eric> "hyperlinks" (or whatever buzzword you'd like to use for them)
Eric> are in a rather ugly italicized font. Maybe this font looks good
Eric> on other systems but not on my Linux machine!

The way I selected the fonts I use for XEmacs was to browse the
available fonts with the xfontsel program (one of the core set of
programs installed with X11).  Find an italic font you like by setting
the option under `slant' to `i' for italic, and pick something out ...

The specific X Defaults you want to set are Emacs.italic.attributeFont
and/or Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont.  Note that it is not necessary
for these fonts to be identical in size to your other fonts, XEmacs
handles different-sized fonts quite nicely.
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I don't know if this is a bug in my instance of xemacs or of linux, but
when I am running xemacs in a tty (not in an X window), typing C-z
spews the 'Stopped' message out at the point (not where I would expect,
for instance, at the bottom of the screen), and returning it to the
foreground causes xemacs to go out of CBREAK mode (e.g., must type
LNEXT C-x LNEXT C-c RET to kill xemacs.)

I am running a mostly standard distribution of Slackware 3.1.0 on a
Pentium/83. My xemacs is linked against these libs:

115 brg@dgate:/tmp> ldd /usr/local/xemacs/bin/xemacs
        libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
        libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
        libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
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        libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
        libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.3.12

(It is the standard xemacs binary designated as
i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static on ftp.xemacs.org.)

Can anyone help me out there? I searched the online FAQ for mention of
a similar problem but found nothing...

-Brian Gaeke <brg@usa.net> <brg@dgate.org>

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From: John Ehrlinger <jehrling@buffnet.net>
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I am looking for a mode that works with csh scripts.  The ksh-mode.el 
does not correctly identify all syntax.  If anyone has extended this to 
the csh or knows where such a package is, I would greatly appreciate the 
pointer. 

	Thanks,
	John Ehrlinger
	Aerodynamic Engineer
	Cooper Turbocompressor, Inc.


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I am looking for a mode that works with csh scripts.  The ksh-mode.el
does not correctly identify all syntax.  If anyone has extended this to
the csh or knows where such a package is, I would greatly appreciate the
pointer.

        Thanks,
        John Ehrlinger
        Aerodynamic Engineer
        Cooper Turbocompressor, Inc.

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>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com> writes:

Justin> Can anybody explain why display-time-string has the 0.01 appended?

Justin> `display-time-string'

Justin> Variable:

Justin> 	value: "4:01pm 0.01"

The `0.01' is the load average.  As to why you see it in Linux and not
on Solaris (taking a wild guess since you didn't say which system
added it), on most Linux systems, the load average can be read out of
/proc without any special permissions required.

load-average: ()
  -- a built-in function.
Return list of 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute load averages.
Each of the three load averages is multiplied by 100,
then converted to integer.

If the 5-minute or 15-minute load averages are not available, return a
shortened list, containing only those averages which are available.

On most systems, this won't work unless the emacs executable is installed
as setgid kmem (assuming that /dev/kmem is in the group kmem).

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>>>>> "Shlomo" == Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il> writes:

Shlomo> Hi, The TM mime package splits a long message to 900 line
Shlomo> shorter messages.  Where is the variable that controls this
Shlomo> length?  I've searched the TM code, and couldn't even find an
Shlomo> apearence of 900.

That sounds more like a Gnus limitation (grep for 990 in the Gnus
code), since the default tm limit is 1000 lines (500 in the obsolete
news-reply-mode).

To turn off all splitting do something like this:

(setq gnus-uu-post-length 15000)
(setq mime-editor/split-message nil)
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>>>>> "JT" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:

>> No, it _has_ to be called `Jine'  (Jine Is Not Emacs)  :-)

JT> No no no no....
JT> Jinx  ==>  Jinx is not XEmacs

But XEmacs is a subset of Emacs.  So Jinx is a subset of Jine; neither
of which are Emacs.

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From: badii@cvax.psi.ch
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As a one-month old Xemacs-19.14 user without any previous (X)emacs
experience, I greatly benefit from good advices from newsgroups.
Therefore, I'd like to post this little contribute to the (X)emacs
community and, in particular, to the newcomers' group (to which I still
belong in large part).
The following is a modeline customization, adapted from modeline.el, to
which I have added a useful function which lets the total numbers of lines
in the current buffer to be displayed in the modeline together with the
current column number plus one: i.e., such that one (finally, I should say)
reads column 1 when the cursor sits on the first character on the line.
My additions are prefixed by rb-.
It should be quite easy to adapt all this to one's personal taste or needs.

Greetings,

Remo Badii
Stochastic Processes and
Nonlinear Dynamics Group
Paul Scherrer Institute
5232 Villigen
Switzerland

; Modeline customization (see modeline.el for defaults):

(defvar rb-mode-line-count nil
   "Total number of lines in the buffer.")

(defvar rb-cols-plus-one nil
   "Column number plus one: i.e., the column at which the cursor appears.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-mode-line-count)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-cols-plus-one)

(defun rb-mode-line-count ()
  "Returns the total number of lines in the current buffer and 
the current column, starting at column 1, into strings stored 
in the variables rb-mode-line-count and rb-cols-plus-one, respectively,
suitable for display in the modeline."
  (if line-number-mode
	(progn
	  (setq rb-mode-line-count (format "/%i " (count-lines 1 (point-max)))
		  rb-cols-plus-one (format "Column: %i" (+ (current-column) 1)))
	  (redraw-modeline))))
; Comment: redraw-modeline is the new function for force-mode-line-update

; Add function mode-line-count to post-command-hook:
 (or (memq 'rb-mode-line-count post-command-hook)
     (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rb-mode-line-count))

(defconst modeline-modified (purecopy '(" %1*%1+ "))
  "Modeline control for displaying whether current buffer is modified.")

(defconst modeline-prev-buf (char-to-string 174)
  "Modeline mousable symbol for switching to the previous buffer: e.g.,
character 174 yields the registered-trade-mark symbol.")

(defconst modeline-buffer-identification
  (list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-prev-buf)
	(cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " %14b")))
  "Modeline control for identifying the buffer being displayed.
When the mouse pointer is on the symbol preceding the buffer name,
button 2 switches to the previous buffer; when on the buffer name,
it switches to the next one. Major modes that edit objects other than
ordinary files (e.g., Info, Dired, ...) may change this format.")

; The following forces display of line/column number: the command
; (column-number-mode 1) also works but it doesn't allow full modeline
; customization as made below.

(line-number-mode 1)

; The following is the format of the modeline:

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    (list ""
			  'modeline-buffer-identification ": "))
		    (purecopy "")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy "%[")
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist " "))
		    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy "%]")
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "   Line: %l"))
		    (purecopy 'rb-mode-line-count)
		    (purecopy 'rb-cols-plus-one)
		    (purecopy " ")
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy "                            ")))

; Comment: the final blanks prevent the mouse pointer from triggering
; the "toggle-read-only" function (caused by make-modeline-wrapper).
; Excess blanks are ignored.

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redhouse@netcom.com (Carter Sanders) writes:

> This my current situation - I've been using XEmacs at work and liking
> it, but the last few releases have gotten too big and slow in my
> opinion.  I really hate when an editor can't keep up with my
> keystrokes.  XEmacs seems to have a particularly hard time with large
> files.
> 
> So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.

I have to admit I've heard this quite a bit as well.  I got several veteran
Emacs users to try out XEmacs 19.14 when it was released, and every single
one of them went through the exact same cycle:

o Hey, this is really cool.

o Uh, this is just too slow... I'm going back to ObsEmacs.

And these aren't folks with slow machines. 233MHz Alphas and such.

Here are a few totally subjective XEmacsmarcs (impressions on several
machines I have used 19.14 on):

SPARC IPX, 64MB			painful, almost unusable
SPARC 10/30, 64MB		slow, jerky
SPARC 20/50, 96MB		sluggish but usable
SPARC 20/61, 96MB		a little better
IBM SP2, 512MB			OK, still a *little* jerky
UltraSPARC 170E, 128MB		snappy, smooth
SGI, 200MHz R10k, 512MB		wow!
DEC, 300MHz Alpha, 4GB		wow!

These impressions follow SPECint numbers fairly well.

Pretty soon I'll try it on a 166MHz Pentium running Linux.  I'm
interested to see where that falls.  Judging by SPECint it should be
a bit better than the SP2, but the Pentium will have much less memory
than the SP2.

Whenever we get a new machine, the first question is how good an XEmacs
engine it is, which is funny and all, but kinda disturbing at the same
time.  You really need a fair bit of iron for XEmacs to be usable, which
is a shame, because there have to be a ton of SPARC 2 class machines out
there.

Just my impressions.

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I am trying decide whether to use GNUEmacs or XEmacs at work.  This is
not a troll or an attempt to set off a protracted "A sucks, B is
great" thread. 

This my current situation - I've been using XEmacs at work and liking
it, but the last few releases have gotten too big and slow in my
opinion.  I really hate when an editor can't keep up with my
keystrokes.  XEmacs seems to have a particularly hard time with large
files.

So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.  Additionally, the
various elisp packages people at work have written were developed for
GNUEmacs and seem a little buggy when you run them on XEmacs.  In at
least one case this is due to differences in REGEXP behaviour between
the two.

However, while using GNUEmacs over the last few days, I missed some of
XEmacs's niceties.  One that I am particularly fond of is the bottom
scroll bar in releases 19.13 and later.  Additionally, the GUI is just
generally richer.  I like hyper-apropos much better than apropos, and
so on.
	
I am assuming that many readers of this group have used both editors.
Have you felt this same dilemma?  What are the chances that some of
these features will be incorporated into GNUEmacs?  I noticed that
some of the XEmacs features, such as the ability to drag the modeline
in a split screen, had made it into 1933.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

-Carter
"Torn between two emacsen, feeling like a fool,  using both of them
 is breakin' all the rules"

-Arrgh - sorry - I couldn't resist
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For all those who are unsatisfied by the default word movement-killing,
see below my functions, for which I am much indebted to the people listed
in the acknowledgements.

Remo Badii
Nonlinear dynamics and
stochastic processes group
Paul Scherrer Institute
5232 Villigen
Switzerland

;;;; Personal function/variable/constant definitions by R. Badii (rb-)
;;
;; Invaluable help has been received in several forms (either direct or 
;; indirect as, e.g., via the (X)emacs newsgroups) by several people, among
;; whom I wish to thank particularly the following: 
;; Jari Aalto, Stephen Eglen, Kai Grossjohann, Jens Emmerich, Andreas Schwab, 
;; Andy Norman, Chris Madsen, Chris Ryder, Gary Dezern, Uri Blumenthal.
;;

; Modeline customization (see modeline.el for defaults): 

(defvar rb-mode-line-count nil
   "Total number of lines in the buffer converted to a formatted string.")

(defvar rb-cols-plus-one nil
   "Column number plus one (i.e., the column at which the cursor appears), 
converted to a formatted string.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-mode-line-count)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-cols-plus-one)

(defun rb-mode-line-count ()
  "Returns the total number of lines in the current buffer and 
the current column, starting at column 1, into strings stored in 
the variables rb-mode-line-count and rb-cols-plus-one, respectively,
suitable for display in the modeline."
  (if line-number-mode
	(progn
	  (setq rb-mode-line-count (format "/%i " (count-lines 1 (point-max)))
		  rb-cols-plus-one (format "Column: %i" (+ (current-column) 1)))
	  (redraw-modeline))))

; Add function mode-line-count to post-command-hook:
 (or (memq 'rb-mode-line-count post-command-hook)
     (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rb-mode-line-count))

(defconst modeline-modified (purecopy '(" %1*%1+ "))
  "Modeline control for displaying whether current buffer is modified.")

(defconst modeline-prev-buf (char-to-string 174)
  "Modeline mousable symbol for switching to the previous buffer: e.g.,
character 174 yields the registered-trade-mark symbol.")

(defconst modeline-buffer-identification
  (list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-prev-buf)
	(cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " %14b")))
  "Modeline control for identifying the buffer being displayed.
When the mouse pointer is on the symbol preceding the buffer name, 
button 2 switches to the previous buffer; when on the buffer name, 
it switches to the next one. Major modes that edit objects other than 
ordinary files (e.g., Info, Dired, ...) may change this format.")

; The following is the format of the modeline:

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    (list ""
			  'modeline-buffer-identification ": "))
		    (purecopy "")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy "%[")        ; spaces and "(" after %[ removed
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist " "))
		    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy "%]")        ; removed ")" before %]
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "   Line: %l"))
		    (purecopy 'rb-mode-line-count)
		    (purecopy 'rb-cols-plus-one)
		    (purecopy " ")         ; blank inserted
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy "                            ")))
; The final blanks prevent the mouse pointer from triggering the
; "toggle-read-only" function (caused by make-modeline-wrapper).
; Excess blanks are ignored.

; End of modeline customization

; Constants:

(defconst rb-page 38
   "Number of lines to be scrolled with rb-page-up (down).")

(defconst rb-word-chars  "a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters constituting a word.")

(defconst rb-nonw-eol  "^a-zA-Z0-9\n"
   "Set of characters neither in rb-word-chars, nor eol.")

(defconst rb-nonword  "^a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters not in rb-word-chars.")

(defconst rb-blank-tab  " \t"
   "Set containing blank and tab.")

; TAGS: they enable viewing function definitions via the command
; Meta-. function-name. Implementation: 
; 1) Create a file ETAGS with a script containing the lines
;      tagsfile=/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS
;      xlisp=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
;      etags `find $xlisp -name '*.el' -print` -o $tagsfile
; 2) In order to have only a few files, improve the above by restricting
;    the choice (possibly writing their names to a file);
; 3) Include the present file rb.el in the list as well.
; 4) Include the following two commands in .emacs
;    (setq tag-table-alist
;          '(("\\.el$" . "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")))
;    (visit-tags-table "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")
;
; Temporary solution (see functions rb-find-tag-n below and 
;                     corresponding key bindings in .emacs):

(defconst rb-tags-file1
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/simple.el"))

(defconst rb-tags-file2
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/files.el"))

;;;; Variables:

(defvar rb-mark-line-p nil 
  "Flag used by rb-mrkl-down and -up to handle region extensions. Set to nil
by rb-set-mark and to true by rb-mark-line.")

;;;; Functions:

(defun rb-find-tag-1 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file1."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file1))

(defun rb-find-tag-2 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file2."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file2))

(defun rb-show-buffers ()
  "Show buffer menu in a popup window"
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(defun rb-save-and-quit ()
  "Saves and quits the current buffer"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-buffer)
  (kill-buffer nil))

(defun rb-kill-buffer ()
  "Quits the current buffer without asking for confirmation if not modified."
  (interactive)                     ; The asterisk is missing to prevent
  (if (eq buffer-read-only t)       ; an error message if buffer is read-only
	(kill-buffer nil)             ; If read-only, just quit,
    (if (not (buffer-modified-p))   ; else, if not modified
	  (rb-save-and-quit)          ; save and quit or, if modified,
	(kill-buffer nil)))           ; quit (with explicit confirmation,
  )                                 ; as of command kill-buffer.

(defun rb-delete-line ()
  "Deletes the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (eolp)           ; If beginning of line and eol coincide
    (kill-line)        ; just kill-line
    (progn             ; otherwise, the line is not blank and
      (kill-line)      ; an additional character needs to be deleted.
      (delete-char 1))))

(defun rb-dup-line ()
  "Duplicates the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (insert
      (buffer-substring (point)
                        (save-excursion
                          (forward-line 1)
                          (point))))))

(defun rb-join-line ()
  "Joins current and next line adding a space at the junction"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (delete-char 1) 
  (fixup-whitespace))

(defun rb-open-line ()
  "Opens a new line from any position in the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (newline))

(defun rb-open-up-line ()
  "Opens a new line before the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (not (bobp))
	(progn
	  (forward-line -1)
	  (end-of-line)
	  (newline)
	  )
    (newline)))

(defun rb-end-next-line ()
  "Goes to the end of the next line extending the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-home-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at bol, it goes to bol; otherwise it goes to the 
beginning of the previous line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))
	(if (bolp)
	    (forward-line -1)
	  (beginning-of-line))))

(defun rb-end-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at eol, it goes to eol; otherwise it goes to the
end of the next line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))
	(if (eolp)
	    (progn
		(forward-line)
		(end-of-line))
	  (end-of-line))))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the cursor down rb-page lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line rb-page))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up rb-page lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line (- rb-page))
)

(defun rb-wrap-para ()
  "Wraps (i.e., fills and justifies) the region if this is active; if
not, wraps the current line."
  (interactive "*")
  (if (region-active-p)
	(fill-region (point) (mark))
    (progn 
	(beginning-of-line)
	(set-mark-command nil)
	(end-of-line)
	(fill-region (point) (mark))
	(delete-backward-char 1))))

(defun rb-set-mark ()
  "Places the mark at point and sets rb-mark-line-p to nil."
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p nil)
  (set-mark-command nil))

(defun rb-mark-line ()
  "Marks the current line"
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p t)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (set-mark-command nil)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-for-word ()
  "Conditional forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,          go to the first non-blank character on the next line;
if on space or tab, go to the next non-blank character; 
if in a word,       go to the first non-blank character past the current word;
if elsewhere,       go to the next word-beginning or to eol."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; go to the
	    (forward-line 1)                    ; next line,
	    (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab)   ; first non-blank character
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  curr)        ; If the cursor is on a
	    (progn                              ; space or tab, then go
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; to the next non-blank
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else (not at eol) but
          (progn                              ; on a word constituent, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars); go to next non-blank 
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; past current word
	    )
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-nonw-eol)  ; go to the next word or eol
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-back-word ()
  "Conditional backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,               go back until a non-blank character is found;
if after a space or tab, go to the previous non-blank character, but 
if at beg-of-word,       go to the previous word beginning or non-blank;
if inside a word,        go to the first character of the current word;
if elsewhere,            go to the previous non-blank."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                      ; if at beginning of line,
	  (progn                                      ; then
	    (forward-line -1)                         ; go to the previous line
	    (end-of-line)                             ; at the and and on
	    (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)        ; the last non-blank.
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  prch)              ; if after a space or tab,
	    (progn                                    ; go to the previous
		(skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)      ; non-blank.
		(let (( pprch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
		  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" pprch)   ; if on a word, skip
			(skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)  ; back one word, else
		    (backward-char))                       ; back one char
		  )                                        ; end inner let
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch)       ; if after a word
		(progn                                  ; constituent, go 
		  (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)   ; back to beg-of-word
		  )
          (progn                              ; anything else,
		    (backward-char)               ; back one character
		)
	    )))                                 ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-for-word ()
  "Conditional kill-forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,                 join next line and leave one blank character;
if on space, tab, or word, kill forward until a non-blank character is found; 
if elsewhere,              delete current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; same as rb-join-line
	    (delete-char 1)
	    (fixup-whitespace)
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" curr)         ; If on a space
	    (progn                              ; or tab, then kill
		(kill-region (point)              ; next blanks and tabs
				 (progn 
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
		 ))                               ; closing the two progn's
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else, if on a 
		(progn                            ; word constituent, then
		(kill-region (point)              ; kill forward until
				 (progn               ; a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
		)
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(delete-char 1)                   ; delete current character
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-back-word ()
  "Conditional kill-backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,                 delete previous character;
if after a space or tab,   delete previous blanks and tabs;
after a word constituent,  delete previous word and previous blanks;
if elsewhere,              delete backward character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                ; If at bol, 
	    (delete-backward-char 1)            ; delete previous character
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" prch)         ; If after a space or tab,
	    (kill-region (point)                ; kill previous
			     (progn                 ; blanks and tabs
				 (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point)))
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch) ; else, if after a word
		(kill-region (point)              ; constituent, kill backward
				 (progn               ; until a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
	    (progn                              ; if after anything else,
	     (delete-backward-char 1))          ; delete previous character
	   )))                                  ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-flip ()
  "Conditional case flip:"
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
         ( cfs case-fold-search))             ; End varlist
    (setq case-fold-search nil)               ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (if (string-match "[A-Z]"  curr)
	  (progn
	    (delete-char 1)
	    (insert (downcase curr))
	    )
	(if (string-match "[a-z]" curr)
	    (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(setq currch (upcase curr))
		(insert currch)
		)
	  ))                                    ; closing the two if's
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)               ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-down ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the down-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs next-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))                    ; If at end-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
                                      ; marking mode are active, then
	    (let ((bef (point))                 
		    aft)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (end-of-line)         ; Looking for the aft(er)
		    (setq aft (point)))   ; position of point.
		  (if (< aft (point-max)) ; This is to avoid unmarking
			(progn              ; if an end of buffer
			  (forward-line)    ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )                       ; here, the aft(er) position is found
	    (if (>= (point) (mark))     ; If (1): if point lower than mark
		  (if (bolp)              ; go down one line if already at bol
			(forward-line)      ; else, extend the mark to the
		    (forward-line 2)      ; next line as a whole
			)
		(if (and (>= (mark) bef ) (< (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here the 
                                      ; point is above the mark: if it moves
			(progn              ; below it, reset mark at beg-of-line
			  (goto-char (mark))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (set-mark-command nil)
			  (forward-line 2))
		    (forward-line)        ; else, forward line
		    )                     ; end if (2)
		)                         ; end if (1)  
	    )                           ; end let
	  (next-line 1)                 ; if not active, go down
	  )                             ; end outermost if
    )
)                                     ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-up ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the up-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs previous-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))                           ; If at beg-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
	    (let ((bef (point))                ; marking mode are active,
		    aft
		    chk)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (beginning-of-line)          ; This is to avoid
		    (setq aft (point)))          ; disappearance of
		  (if (> aft (point-min))        ; the region if a
			(progn                     ; beginning of buffer
			  (forward-line -1)        ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )
		(if (<= (point) (mark))          ; If (1): if point is above mark
		    (forward-line -1)            ; go up one line (at bol)
		  (if (and (< (mark) bef ) (>= (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here 
                                             ; the point moves above the mark;
		    (progn                       ; hence, 
			(if (= (mark) aft) 
			    (setq chk 1))          ; special case
			(goto-char (mark))         ; reset mark at 
			(end-of-line)              ; end-of-line
			(set-mark-command nil)
			(if (> aft (point-min))        ; Avoid beg-of-buffer error
			    (if (and chk (not (bolp))) ; special case
				  (beginning-of-line)    ; handled here
				(forward-line -1))))     ; normal case
                                             ; here point stays below mark: if
		    (if (bolp)                   ; at bol, go to the beginning of 
			  (forward-line -1)        ; the previous line, if not at
			(beginning-of-line))       ; bol, to bol of current line
		  )                              ; end if (2)
		)                                ; end if (1)
		)                                ; end let
	  (previous-line 1)                    ; if region not active, up
	  )                                    ; end outermost if
    )
  )                                          ; end defun

(defun rb-dos-to-unix ()
  "Converts the current buffer from DOS format to UNIX format, 
irrespective of whether the buffer is read-only or not."
  (interactive)
  (setq buffer-read-only nil)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (while (re-search-forward "\r$" nil t)    ; search for carriage returns
	(replace-match ""))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (forward-line -1)			          ; go back a line for safety
    (setq dos-seen-ctl-Z (search-forward "\C-z" nil t))
    (if dos-seen-ctl-Z
	  (replace-match ""))))

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>>>>> "Brian" == Brian R Gaeke <brg@earth.usa.net> writes:

Brian> I don't know if this is a bug in my instance of xemacs or of
Brian> linux, but when I am running xemacs in a tty (not in an X
Brian> window), typing C-z spews the 'Stopped' message out at the
Brian> point (not where I would expect, for instance, at the bottom of
Brian> the screen), and returning it to the foreground causes xemacs
Brian> to go out of CBREAK mode (e.g., must type LNEXT C-x LNEXT C-c
Brian> RET to kill xemacs.)

I cannot reproduce this from the Linux console & zsh3.0.  What kind of
terminal do you have, which shell are you using?  What versions of
the ncurses & termcap libraries do you have?  Does it work correctly
if you build your own binary?

There were problems with XEmacs core dumping in this situation during
beta testing, and fairly late changes were made, but it seemed that
the problems were resolved.
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Subject: Re: [BUG?] Xemacs 19.14, Linux, and accent. chars
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Nat Makarevitch writes:

> (maybe) bug (?) report:

> w/o  line-wraping,  for  example    in fundamental-mode,   any   extended
> characters which is  on the physical (display) line  end is masked by the
> line-continuation symbol (the black little curved arrow)

> the  accentuated char exists and  the  point can  virtually "move" on  it
> (disappearing when it come on the hidden char).

> example line:   this  group  of  words:  "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  the  french
> language imply use of some accent. chars, like ''"

> is  displayed without the ''  (e') placed at the end  of the line if the
> current mode does not wrap  lines and if this  char is just on a physical
> (display) ine boundary.

> the black arrow  appears instead  of it, the  char is not  rejected on the
> next physical  line.

solution:
 do NOT use the form `(standard-display-european t)'

this may be a bug, but this function is not mandatory: I can use accentued
chars without calling it.

-- 
Nat    Linux

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>>>>> "Morten" == Morten Stig Andersen <moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se> writes:

Morten> Can anyone guide me to a solution to the following:
Morten> I have a lot of global-set-key definitions in my .emacs file, e.g.:
 ...
Morten> Now, when I use xemacs in an xterm with the -nw option, the
Morten> shift key (and the control key as well) are ignored when I try
Morten> to use the above key bindings.

Are the keys in fact returning something different?  I just did a
check with xev on xterm, and the escape sequences returned by f12 and
shift f12 were identical (Linux 2.0.13/XFree86 3.1.2/Olvwm).  There's
not a whole lot XEmacs can do in that situation.

P.S.
Morten> (global-set-key '(shift f4) 'uncomment-region)
The following syntax is preferable (but has no bearing on the problem
you describe above):
(global-set-key [(shift f4)] 'uncomment-region)

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>>>>> "John" == John Ehrlinger <jehrling@buffnet.net> writes:

> I am looking for a mode that works with csh scripts.  The ksh-mode.el does
> not correctly identify all syntax.  If anyone has extended this to the csh
> or knows where such a package is, I would greatly appreciate the pointer.

I believe I picked up Jari's csh-mode2.el from the Ohio-State Elisp archives
awhile ago, but I don't think its being maintained.  I prefer KShell and don't
do much in CShell to give it a good testing.  Its adequate.

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In article <hrenl5vgzn.fsf@branagh.lanl.gov>,
John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:
> Pretty soon I'll try it on a 166MHz Pentium running Linux.  I'm
> interested to see where that falls.  Judging by SPECint it should be
> a bit better than the SP2, but the Pentium will have much less memory
> than the SP2.

I run XEmacs on a P-133 with 32 EDO Megs.  The board is a P55T2S (very
fast).  After compiling with gcc[*] -O6 -mpentium -fomit-frame-pointer, 
the speed is no problem (19.33 compiled with the same flags is -very-
fast on this box, the difference is very noticeable).  There is a big
difference between -O2 and -O6 -mpentium.

While the speed is good enough for me, what sucks is the memory usage.
My typical XEmacs process stabilizes around 15-16 Megs.  With GNU
Emacs it's around 9-10 Megs.  Of those 17 Megs, just 2.5 Megs is text,
the rest is all data.  I don't see how the process can use 12-13 Megs
of data; I'm hoping there's a leak that'll go away in 19.15.  :)

PID TTY MAJFLT MINFLT   TRS   DRS  SIZE  SWAP   RSS  SHRD   LIB  DT COMMAND
313   5   2911  12343  2796 12248 15260   216 15044  2852     0 3048 xemacs 

Those extra 5 Megs do hurt as GC hits just about every page; most of
XEmacs is constantly in memory.  I have a fast but very noisy disk and
the swappage when I start other processes is almost enough to make me
switch back to GNU Emacs.  I rewrote some small but often used Perl 5
scripts in C to reduce the swapping when I run them, it's that annoying.

-Sudish

[*] Using the patches from the Pentium Compiler Group is very useful.
At -O6 the only bug I've seen in the generated XEmacs executable is a
glitch in the modeline where minor-mode labels that are clickable show
up using the 'default face.  No other problems in weeks of use at -O6.
Almost forgot, -mpentium reduces the size of the executable in
addition to speeding it up.  (I've been compiling my kernels with that
same compiler, if the above testimonial isn't sufficient. :-)

Check out http://www.goof.com/pcg, if you haven't done so already.
That's a US mirror of the actual site, for which I don't seem to have
the URL handy.

[262]% gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux/2.7.2p/specs
gcc driver version 2.7.2p snapshot 960426 executing gcc version 2.7.2p

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redhouse@netcom.com (Carter Sanders) writes:
> generally richer.  I like hyper-apropos much better than apropos, and
> so on.

Hyper-apropos is easy to port to GNU Emacs; I used it from 19.29 and
up.  I still have a copy lying around if you want it.  I agree, it's
much better than apropos.

> I am assuming that many readers of this group have used both editors.
> Have you felt this same dilemma?  What are the chances that some of
> these features will be incorporated into GNUEmacs?  I noticed that
> some of the XEmacs features, such as the ability to drag the modeline
> in a split screen, had made it into 1933.

The modeline drag stuff has been available for GNU Emacs from 19.28 or
29 (maybe even earlier).  Hmm, or was it an add-on package?  I dunno,
but I was using it much earlier.

Unless you want the graphics capability and/or the shared XEmacs
across ttys/X stuff, and if speed/memory is a big deal, you might
stick with GNU Emacs.

I use XEmacs primarily because of GNUS at this point; well, I've
started using W3 more, too.  The only real other feature I see is that
XEmacs is much faster at creating new frames.  GNU Emacs slows down
heavily on frame creation if you have lots of faces defined.

-Sudish

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... when it's table arg is non-nil and icomplete-mode is active.  This
is highly irritating as you tend to type as if the initial-contents
were there.

To reproduce: xemacs -q then run this in scratch or from an Eval: prompt.
(completing-read "foo: " '(("bogus" "")) nil nil "bar")

Anything you type will have bar as a prefix. Now, M-x icomplete-mode
and repeat.  The initial-contents are dropped as soon as you touch a
key.

GNU Emacs leaves "bar" in there in both cases.

Does anyone have a fix/workaround?

-Sudish

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Anyone else seen these problems?

dired lists my remote directories ok but when I select
a subdirectory an empty file by that name opens instead
of a new list. This also happens when I try to open files.

Looking at the ftp log it looks like ange-ftp tried to do a
"get" on the directory. In the case of a file it tried to
do a "get /path/filename/." 

Seems like these are reversed?

Anyone have a fix?

Thanks,

John

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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:
>>>>> "Carter" == Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com> writes:

Carter> This my current situation - I've been using XEmacs at work and
Carter> liking it, but the last few releases have gotten too big and
Carter> slow in my opinion.  I really hate when an editor can't keep
Carter> up with my keystrokes.  XEmacs seems to have a particularly
Carter> hard time with large files.

Carter>  So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.

Compiled at a high enough level of optimization (I have both compiled
at -O4), the difference is most noticeable.

John> Pretty soon I'll try it on a 166MHz Pentium running Linux.  I'm
John> interested to see where that falls.  Judging by SPECint it
John> should be a bit better than the SP2, but the Pentium will have
John> much less memory than the SP2.

John> Whenever we get a new machine, the first question is how good an
John> XEmacs engine it is, which is funny and all, but kinda
John> disturbing at the same time.

I think the speed depends on a couple of factors.  The primary one is
the feature set you have chosen.  There are some features that are
unusably slow: lazy lock to name one, the function menu can be another
one.  My guess is any of the functions constantly updating the
modeline(s) can be very slow.  So, don't use them.

The second factor is memory.  XEmacs with (my favorite Emacs feature)
Gnus becomes very big.  I had an uncomfortable time until my
workstation got upgraded to 32MB.

Anyway, I run XEmacs on a wimpy processor (Cyrix DX2-66), but with
adequate memory, and don't have a problem with it keeping up with my
keystrokes (even being a touch typist).

John> You really need a fair bit of iron for XEmacs to be usable,
John> which is a shame, because there have to be a ton of SPARC 2
John> class machines out there.

The fair bit of iron, when you're thinking in terms of a Linux capable
box, is quite inexpensive now, definitely towards US$2,000. :-)
-- 
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>>>>> "PB" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:

    Peter> Hi.  It would be wonderful if someone could answer this,
    Peter> even to say "I don't think that's doable."
    >> 
    Peter> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in
    Peter> mh-e mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).
    >> 
    >> 
    >> (setq highlight-headers-follow-url-function 'highlight-headers-follow-url-netscape)
    >> (add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (highlight-headers (point-min)
    >> (point-max) t)))

Just try changing netscape to w3, I think that will fix your problem.

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I have installed Xemacs 19.14 and I have got Java mode editing working.
I will be grateful if anyone could let me know what stuff I should
include in my .emacs file so that I can have the Java source in
different colors and fonts (like Cafe Lite).

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lisp/modes/two-column.el in xemacs 19.13, dated Jul 5 1995 works for me
(and doesn't contain the word "tapestry").

;;; two-column.el --- minor mode for editing of two-column text
;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Author: Daniel Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cix.cict.fr>


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In article <Dw2zt0.r1@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:

> > interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.  
> Sorry, but there is no relationship between compilation and error-handling.
Eugene, I think he was referring to quick edit-run cycle etc. My experience
is that Smalltalk is a much faster language top develop in than C++.

> conservative (assume a word is a pointer unless proven otherwise)
Isn't this the other way around? Because otherwise you will GC some things
that are not objects (eg assume an integer is a pointer and go and GC along
it). 

> a name derived from both emacs and java. "Jamacs" sounded stupid, but
> "Eva" is nice and short
How about Jacks? Now we just have to find a Jack to head the development
team :-).

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In article <9608120933.AA01891@trt.trt-philips.fr> frs0139@trt-philips.fr (Damien WETZEL) writes:

>  im printing big text files whose lines don't exceed 10 chars wide.
> I wanted to know if there is a way to reorganize those files in
> multiple columns

The best solution is to use a sophisticated printing program to do this.
The locally developed program "paf" (print ascii file) that we use here can
do it, and I think programs such as enscript or psnup can too.

If you really want to change the file in emacs, see two-column mode. On
xemacs one entry point is called tc-two-columns, on emacs I think the name
may start with 2C.

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In article <1996Aug14.110427.1@psiclu.psi.ch> badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

> (defvar LaTeX-math-list
>    '((?e "varepsilon" "greek")         ; Substitutes the default of "epsilon"
1. Use setq instead of defvar. defvar is only effective when the variable
   is not already defined (unless you execute it interactively).
2. Shouldn't this be (?e . "varepsilon")? The docs say "the cdr is the value. 
   The value can be a string or a function" (version 9.3c)
Suggestion: use \renewcommand{\epsilon}{\varepsilon} in a personal tex
style file instead of using \varepsilon in your tex sources (unless you
need both symbols).

> (neither with the defvar inside the defun rb-LaTeX-setup, nor outside it)
The setq does not have to be inside the hook function.

> (please notice that the e-mail address posted by our newsreader contains
> an additional obsolete "cvax")
So you aren't using Gnus? Shame on you! :-)

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <3211A5DF.5091DA60@erinet.com> Mitch Chapman <mchapman@erinet.com> writes:

> I have: a hacked derivative of the GNU emacs imenu package which
> works with XEmacs 19.14 (called 'ximenu'); and the following
> questions.
> 
> o Is this redundant (i.e. is there already a way to get a menu of
>   functions defined in a buffer)?
> 
> o If it's not redundant, is anyone interested in it?

Yes I am. I think though it will be much more useful if you can incorporate
the xemacs changes in the original version (probably collaborate with the
original authors). How current was the version you forked from? Even if you
don't make a version that can be used for both emacs and xemacs, it might
be better to keep the name imenu.el.

> o If anyone is interested, how should the module's header comments
>   be written?  For now I've just augmented the original header
>   (copylefted to FSF, etc.) to indicate that the original authors
>   are not responsible for this derivative work, and so should not
>   be pinged with support questions, etc.
>   Is that the right thing to do?

Indicate clearly it's for xemacs only, and the original version that you
forked from.

> o This code is not compatible with the GNU emacs menu system.
>   Is this bad enough to warrant not making the code available?

I don't think so.


In article <1.5.4.16.19960814115523.2cef6b28@gatekeeper> dhughes@origin-at.co.uk (David Hughes) writes:

> Yes, this is redundant. Check out ..lisp/packages/func-menu.el

David, I don't think it is redundant, because there will always be packages
based on one of imenu or func-menu. For example one such package is
bib-cite.el of Peter Galbraith which (among other things) extends imenu to
work with multifile tex documents (anything extra, Peter?). I'd love to
have this functionality in xemacs, and until ximenu I couldn't. I see the
following possibilities, in order of desirability:

- The Right Thing to do would be to merge imenu and func-menu, and make the
  result available for both emacs and xemacs. Am I out of line here? Does
  func-menu include all the functionality of imenu?
- Barring this, a package could be written that provides a uniform
  interface to the two. Kind of what (the two versions of) easymenu do for
  emacs/xemacs menus. I'm not sure that this is feasible though. At least
  bib-cite hacks imenu in ways that would defy an interface.
- Modify one or both to work with both editors.
- Modify one or both to work with the editor they don't currently work
  with. This is what Mitch has done for imenu.

Regards, Vlad

PS: Is the latest version of func-menu.el available separately? Is it still
compatible with xemacs 19.13? I use InfoDock which is based on 19.13, and
I can't switch to 19.14.

PPS: (for another thread) Are the problems of func-menu in latex mode
resolved? The version that I have (2.32 with Cristoph Wedler's patch) fails
to find the function from *Function List* because it can't deal well with
spaces in section names. (fume-prompt-function-goto calls
fume-what-looking-at which only picks a word). Also, completion doesn't
work very well for choices that contain spaces (if I type "4 ", TAB gives
sections 4, 4.1, 4.2 etc instead of only 4). imenu's approach is to replace
spaces with ^ in such situations.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <4up6iv$bom@news.liberty.com> johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam) writes:

> : > java is a compiled language which means it loses many of the benefits of 
> : > error checking/handling/recovery
> type checking isn't at all what i meant.  what i mean is what happens 
> when your routines fail?
I don't see why exception handling would be inherently better or easier in
an interpreted language compared to a compiled language.

> say you try to write some bits to the disk and it happens to be full.
> sure you can see if the write worked (in C you can check the return
> value), but almost no one does.
Too bad then. Either the library or the application developer should have
done this. How would an interpreted language make this unnecessary?

> when was the last time you checked the return value from your printf?
printf can't fail unless stdout is redirected from screen to some other
device. And in that case the program which does the redirection (the shell)
should do the checking (IMHO).

> and what about array bounds checking, NULL pointers &c during runtime?
If you need them, you'd be a fool not to do them. Many compilers can do
array bound checking, eg the Pascal ones, but in C it's harder due to its
more flexible way of working with arrays. Switch cheking ON during
development/debugging, and then turn it OFF for faster execution.

Yet I start to see your point. I think for these kinds of errors the best
is machine/OS support. Sun OS crashes the program with "segment violation"
or some such on these errors (arrays are allocated in segments and you just
can't reach outside of that segment using the same base virtual pointer).

> interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.
I agree with this (my experience is how much faster development with
Smalltalk is compared to C++), but I don't think the reason is exception
handling. 

> since i am fairly happy with the performance of emacs lisp, i see no
> reason to change.
W3 pushes elisp to the edge. Some people won't use W3 because Lynx is so
much faster. A solution might be to run on the side a separate parser
process written in C, but that's a long shot.

> : There are GCs : for C available.
> give me a break.  use of malloc and free cannot possibly be considered good 
> garbage collection.
It is *not* GC. But there *are* implementations of a GC for C.

> C++ with its automatic constructors and destructors are a feeble attempt
> at some sanity.
Agreed. There isn't any good way to destruct a big cyclic system of objects.

> rolling your own memory management in a compiled environment often leads
> to leaks.
I have to admit I don't know how good these C GCs are.

> : what exactly is the difference in status between the Java bytecode and
> : the ELisp bytecode?

> lisp is object oriented.
No it's not. But Java is.

> it has garbage collection.
So has Java, or Smalltalk.

> and a version of emacs exists on virtually every machine of consequense.
But the Mac version is way behind and the Windows versions still don't do
processes quite well.

> you can byte compile it for speed.
Which is still not adequate for some applications, eg W3.

> we already have a portable, object oriented language.
Why do you say elisp is OO? I think that one of the most urgent problems
with emacs/elisp is having light-weight threads (as opposed to processes
communicating by interchange of text).

Well, you made me play devil's advocate in this case. I think elisp is just
fine for emacs, and should be left alone. Which doesn't mean that a big
emacs-like editor won't be written in Java, it will.


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Darren Toler writes:

Eugene> I am already working on a set of basic interfaces for a
Eugene> Java version of emacs.  I will post them shortly. I have
Eugene> also been thinking about a name derived from both emacs
Eugene> and java.

> How about Jemacs or just Jmacs?

I'd prefer Jeemacs: Java enabled emacs

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This reminds me of the fact that the show-temp-buffer.el package
doesn't seem to work in XEmacs. Can you make it work or produce the
same effect, i.e. all temporary buffers have the minimum necessary
size (the same effect you would get if you did C-x - after creating
every new buffer).

/Klas
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kam@nada.kth.se (Klas Mellbourn) writes:
> This reminds me of the fact that the show-temp-buffer.el package
> doesn't seem to work in XEmacs. Can you make it work or produce the
> same effect, i.e. all temporary buffers have the minimum necessary
> size (the same effect you would get if you did C-x - after creating
> every new buffer).

Here's what I use for *Help* buffers, a similar crock might work with
the right temp-buffer display function.

(defadvice with-displaying-help-buffer (after sj/shrink-help-window
					      last activate compile)
  "Shrink help window to fit buffer."
  (shrink-window-if-larger-than-buffer (get-buffer-window "*Help*")))

-Sudish

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I run Xemacs 19.14 on a Linux 2.0.12 machine. The standard
installation is not changed, only AucTeX was added.

If I enter a print-command from the toolbar I get the following error
Message: 

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument consp "")
  apply(call-process-region (1 2444 "lpr" nil nil nil . ""))
  print-region-1(1 2444 "" nil)
  #<compiled-function (from "lpr.elc") nil "...(7)" [print-region-1
  lpr-switches nil] 5  "Print buffer contents as with Unix command
  `lpr'.\n`lpr-switches'  is a list of extra switches (strings) to
  pass  to lpr." nil>()
  call-interactively(lpr-buffer)
  release-and-activate-toolbar-button(#<buttonup-event button1up>)
  call-interactively(release-and-activate-toolbar-button)

Similar results occur, when I try pretty-print-buffer.

I think it may be a problem with the variable standard-input, since
it determines the input stream, but I can only read this Variable. 

Can anybody help me before I go into the deep of Xemacs.

-- 
Christoph Gaitzsch

As everybody can see, I'n no native english speaker. I hope it's not
to bad to understand it. 

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> I think the speed depends on a couple of factors.  The primary one is
> the feature set you have chosen.  There are some features that are
> unusably slow: lazy lock to name one, the function menu can be another
> one.  My guess is any of the functions constantly updating the
> modeline(s) can be very slow.  So, don't use them.

Hmm.  I do use both lazy-lock and func-menu.  But lazy-lock is absolutely 
essential for making font-lock itself usable, right?  Or is fast-lock 
better?

Both of these are pkgs that are really, really useful.  And the crucial
thing is that there seems to be a growing concensus that on a given 
platform, with a given set of features, FSF Emacs is faster.  

I've been an ardent, indeed near fanatical, fan of XEmacs since something
like lemacs 19.8, but I'm actually starting to doubt my faith.  It's
unrelated to the speed question, but one thing that's weighing in heavily
is the existence of a very strong and active NT/95 effort with FSF Emacs.
I just got a Pentium box, and although I do have Linux, it came with 95,
and I wanted to see what it's like.  I've also put NT on it, and the
ability to have my old friend Emacs there as well makes it a much nicer
place to visit.  But it's FSF Emacs, not XEmacs, and although I used to
have conditional stuff in my .emacs and other startup files for both versions,
ever since tty support in XEmacs, I ripped all that out, and have only been
using XEmacs.  I absolutely *dread* the prospect of dealing with both versions
once again.

Anyway, that's really separate from the speed issue.

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: that XEmacs / GNU Emacs debate (was Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs)
Date: 18 Aug 1996 09:21:21 -0500
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    Carter> So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.
    Carter> Additionally, the various elisp packages people at work
    Carter> have written were developed for GNUEmacs and seem a little
    Carter> buggy when you run them on XEmacs.  In at least one case
    Carter> this is due to differences in REGEXP behaviour between the
    Carter> two.

This is not a completely fair comparison.  The last two releases of
GNU Emacs have been more towards stabilization than adding new
features.  The last XEmacs release was a new feature release pure and
simple.  XEmacs has a historical cycle of even numbered releases
having lots of new features and odd numbered releases only having bug
/ performance fixes.  19.12 had lots of new features and was slow.
19.13 fixed lots of bugs and was quite a bit faster.  19.14 adds lots
of new features and has slowed back down.  More on 19.15 in a minute.

Yes, packages originally written for GNU Emacs may initially not work
correctly on XEmacs.  The reverse is also very much true.  Sometimes
this may be due to a bug in XEmacs.  In other cases it has been caused
by GNU Emacs changing an interface.  Since there is always going to be
a delay between when such changes are made in GNU Emacs and when the
same or a similar change will show up in XEmacs, you are going to have
a period where the latest version of the package doesn't work
correctly in XEmacs.  To be fair, the reverse situation happens as
well.

The next XEmacs release, 19.15, will be faster than 19.14.  Will it be
as fast as GNU Emacs?  For some people, certainly.  For all people?
Doubtful.  It will assuredly require more memory than GNU Emacs if you
use all of its features.  Many of the major features that XEmacs
provides revolve around its display engine: better display of text and
the ability to display graphics.  The process needed to do this is an
order of magnitude more complex than that needed by the GNU Emacs
display engine.  Also, graphics eat more memory.

That doesn't mean that XEmacs can't improve its performance and reduce
its memory usage.  It can and has.  For example, the redisplay engine
actually uses 1/3 less memory in 19.14 than it does in 19.13.  Most
people don't see this fact because the extra graphics display
abilities in 19.14 more than make up the difference.  We're working on
it :-)


* SOAPBOX ON *

I think XEmacs is "better" than GNU Emacs.  If I didn't, there would
be little point in my continuing to work on it.  This doesn't mean
that I expect everyone to feel this way.  Both XEmacs and GNU Emacs
have their own sets of strengths and weaknesses.  Which editor any
given user prefers depends on how they weigh those strengths and
weaknesses.  It also depends on which version they are currently
comparing for both editors are under continued development.  Both
constantly incorporate features that were added to the other months
(and years) earlier.  Both constantly add new features not previously
present in either.

Having a single Emacs would make things less confusing for users.  I
don't believe it is going to happen, though.  The philosophical
differences between the two development camps are too great.  I do not
want to start any debates or flame wars on this topic.  There is no
"right" side or "wrong" side here.  There is just a difference of
opinions.

Unlike some, I believe that the split has actually been good for Emacs
as a whole.  A little competition, real or imagined, can be a good
motivator and I believe it has definitely motivated some (X)Emacs
features along faster than they would have otherwise.  There has
actually been surprisingly little overlap in the areas where GNU Emacs
and XEmacs have added the most new functionality.  My conclusion is
that the split has led to more combined overall functionality than
would exist at this point if the split had never occurred.

So, please, evaluate GNU Emacs and XEmacs and choose the one you like
best.  Occasionally re-evaluate your choice.  Remember that what is
currently a true comparison was possibly not in the past and may not
be again in the future.  When I say this I am talking about both
directions.  I could list comparisons that are currently favorable and
unfavorable to XEmacs where just the reverse used to be true.

Neither GNU Emacs nor XEmacs is going to disappear anytime soon,
though one or the other may have more users.  More people drink Coke
than Pepsi but neither one is hurting for customers.

* SOAPBOX OFF *


-- 
Chuck Thompson					     primary XEmacs maintainer
Research Programmer
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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I had the harrowing experience yesterday of trying to get XEmacs 19.14
and GNUS to retrieve my mail by POP. The GNUS documentation makes it
clear that it expects emacs' movemail to handle the POP transactions,
but I found that the POP support in XEmacs' movemail is pretty stale,
an in particular not the version GNUS was expecting.

First, movemail doesn't compile at all with MAIL_USE_POP defined --
the POP code is full of calls to fatal() with the wrong number of
arguments. Fixing this, I found that GNUS expects movemail to take the
POP password as its third argument (I won't even mention what a
horrible idea this is...), but the movemail included with XEmacs had
no such support. I cobbled something together, but I feel like I am
flirting with disaster using such a clearly dormant codebase to fetch
my mail.

I don't know what kind of enhancements FSF has in their movemail these
days, but I'd suggest that it's something XEmacs maintainers might
want to think about synching up.

And does anyone know what the right way of using POP in GNUS is?
Presumably it is not to use movemail at all; what is the software I
should get instead?

-- 
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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:
>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

sb> I think the speed depends on a couple of factors.  The primary one is
sb> the feature set you have chosen.  There are some features that are
sb> unusably slow: lazy lock to name one, the function menu can be another
sb> one.  My guess is any of the functions constantly updating the
sb> modeline(s) can be very slow.  So, don't use them.

John> Hmm.  I do use both lazy-lock and func-menu.  But lazy-lock is
John> absolutely essential for making font-lock itself usable, right?

Not necessarily.  I use plain old font-lock just fine.  There is a hit
when opening a file, but I can live with that.  Just so long as it is
fast enough modifying a file, which *is* XEmacs primary use.  As an
aside, I consider both of the Perl modes totally useless wrt font
locking since they are easily confused by Perl syntax.  There's a
cost/benefit tradeoff with font lock.  Correct font locking makes
reading structured files *much* easier.  Any time that font-lock puts
the wrong information on the display it fails miserably IMHO.

John> Or is fast-lock better?

I don't know.  Fast lock works by saving the font lock information to
a separate file.  This technique can lose in a variety of ways.  I
don't like keeping the extra baggage around, and I don't always edit
files in XEmacs or Emacs.

John> Both of these are pkgs that are really, really useful.  And the
John> crucial thing is that there seems to be a growing concensus that
John> on a given platform, with a given set of features, FSF Emacs is
John> faster.

It is usually faster with respect to execution speed, but it is not
faster when it comes to other operations.  It is much easier for me to
edit large files with the wonderful func-menu.  Even if it takes a
little longer to get started.  Gnus is much easier to deal with in
XEmacs, the addition of the article motion buttons on the toolbar is a
wonderful feature.

After years of solid Emacs v18 training, I've grown accustomed to an
editor being my primary interface to the system.  It works for me, and
makes my work easier.  Of the two emacsen, XEmacs just happens to be a
bit easier for me to work with, so I use it primarily.

What is it you're trying to accomplish?  If the tasks can be done as
easily in FSF Emacs, then you should use it.  You really can't go
wrong either way, as there isn't anything comparable to the power use
of Emacs.

John> I've been an ardent, indeed near fanatical, fan of XEmacs since
John> something like lemacs 19.8, but I'm actually starting to doubt
John> my faith.

There should be no faith involved at all.  I use emacs because it
allows me to do things easier than any other similar tool I've ever
used.  I prefer using XEmacs versus Emacs because it's easier and more
pleasant for me to work with.  Your Mileage May Vary, and that is a
good thing.

John> It's unrelated to the speed question, but one thing that's
John> weighing in heavily is the existence of a very strong and active
John> NT/95 effort with FSF Emacs.

John> I just got a Pentium box, and although I do have Linux, it came
John> with 95, and I wanted to see what it's like.  I've also put NT
John> on it, and the ability to have my old friend Emacs there as well
John> makes it a much nicer place to visit.

There goes the neighborhood.  If that kind of interface look & feel is
your cup of tea, there was a new release of fvwm this week that
includes Microsoft Windows '95 sorts of things.

This is another choice as well.  If you really prefer spending money
for bug fix upgrades mistakenly labelled `New Releases', that is
fine.  I'd prefer to spend the money on RAM, or new disks.  To each
their own.
-- 
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In article <1996Aug15.094849.1@psiclu.psi.ch> badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

>   (setq-default temp-buffer-show-function 'hkey-help-show)
hkey-help-show is part of hyperbole which is part of infodock which is
xemacs19.13+hyperbole+some other stuff

> some Emacs code 
Might have been mine.

> taken from a help (?) newsgroup.
You can say that again :-) Still, I think I had some comments out there
pointing that out. Even if people can't read elisp, they should be able to
read comments, right?

But I think there's no relation to the original problem. If hyperbole is
not installed, you'll get the visible "symbol's function definition is
void: hkey-help-show" when you invoke completion (because *Completions* is
a temp-buffer). Unless that's what the oroginal posted had in mind by
"completion does not work".

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Subject: Re: Function to send buffer to netscape for preview?
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In article <tz7mr1xxug.fsf@baldy.kla.com> David Masterson <davidm@baldy.kla.com> writes:

> Look at the html-helper-mode (I forget exactly what its called) in the
> lisp/hm--html-menus directory.

html-helper-mode is called exactly this and is located in html-helper-mode.el
and is a different package than hm--html-menus, though with a similar purpose.
Worse yet, neither has anything to do with sending files to Netscape. I
wish people would think before they speak.

Back to the original question, you need browse-url-of-file from
browse-url.el (and set browse-url-browser-function to browse-url-netscape).
You'll have to save the buffer to a file before submitting it, and maybe
reload it in Netscape after the first time it's shown (in which case it's
pointless to invoke browse-url-of-file).

Alternatively, use browse-url-of-buffer, which saves out the buffer to
/tmp/<bufname><random-string> and won't need explicit reload from Netscape.

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In article <yzfhgq4xd3i.fsf@wimpy.analogy.com> Jeff Greenlee <greenj@wimpy.analogy.com> writes:
> Now what I'd like to see is a function that will cycle through all of
> the buffers so you could do "C-TAB-TAB-TAB" instead

In article <199608161331.HAA10546@buddy.xdiv> caw@xdiv.lanl.gov (Charles Wingate) writes:
> (define-key global-map [f8] '(lambda ()
> 				(interactive)
> 				(bury-buffer)))
[bury-buffer is already a command (ie interactive), so there's really no
need to wrap it in a lambda]

bury-buffer is fine, but it only cycles in one direction. If you overshoot,
and you have a large number of buffers, you're out of luck. (Don't you hate
setting watches where if you want to stop at 1pm and you miss out and go to
2pm, the only way is to go on and press the button 23 more times?) So use
also this:


(defun string-max (s l) 
  "Return the initial segment of S of length no more than L."
  (if (< (length s) l) s (substring s 0 l)))

(defun show-buffer-list (&optional all)
  "Show the buffer list on the modeline. It is chopped in the middle so
that both the beginning and the end (where bury-buffer operates) show up.
With prefix argument ALL, invisible buffers (whose names start with SPC)
are also shown."
  (interactive "P")
  (let ((s (mapconcat (function (lambda (b) 
                        (and (or all 
                                 (not (eq ? (string-to-char (buffer-name b)))))
                             (concat (string-max (buffer-name b) 6) " "))))
                      (buffer-list) ""))
        (l (window-width (minibuffer-window))) l1)
    (if (< (length s) l) ()
      (setq l1 (/ (- l 4) 3))
      (setq s (concat (substring s 0 (* l1 2))
                      "..." 
                      (substring s (- (length s) l1)))))
    (message s)))


(defun unbury-buffer ()
  "Put the buffer at the bottom of buffer-list on top."
  (interactive)
  (let ((l (nreverse (buffer-list))) b)
    (while l
      (setq b (car l)
            l (cdr l))
      (if (eq ?  (string-to-char (buffer-name b)))
          (setq b nil)                  ; invisible buffer, ignore
        (setq l nil)))                  ; found it
    (if b (switch-to-buffer b))))

(defun bury-buffer-show-list ()
  (interactive) (bury-buffer) (show-buffer-list))

(defun unbury-buffer-show-list ()
  (interactive) (unbury-buffer) (show-buffer-list))

(global-set-key [f1] 'show-buffer-list)
(global-set-key [f3] 'unbury-buffer-show-list) ; this assumes your
(global-set-key [f4] 'bury-buffer-show-list) ; f3 key is to the left of f4


Alternatively, see /ftp.cs.ualberta.ca:/pub/oolog/emacs/cycle-buffer.el
which has some more features (eg various filtering of the buffer list), but
uses a more complicated algorithm. I'll be rewriting it shortly.

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From: John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs
Date: 18 Aug 1996 16:06:42 -0600
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:

> John> Both of these are pkgs that are really, really useful.  And the
> John> crucial thing is that there seems to be a growing concensus that
> John> on a given platform, with a given set of features, FSF Emacs is
> John> faster.
>
> It is usually faster with respect to execution speed, but it is not
> faster when it comes to other operations.  It is much easier for me to
> edit large files with the wonderful func-menu.  Even if it takes a
> little longer to get started.  Gnus is much easier to deal with in
> XEmacs, the addition of the article motion buttons on the toolbar is a
> wonderful feature.

Agreed.  And I guess I didn't realize func-menu was XEmacs-only.  It is
tremendously useful.

> What is it you're trying to accomplish?  If the tasks can be done as
> easily in FSF Emacs, then you should use it.  You really can't go
> wrong either way, as there isn't anything comparable to the power use
> of Emacs.

Edit code in various languages, VM, Gnus, etc. etc. etc.  I live in XEmacs.

> John> I've been an ardent, indeed near fanatical, fan of XEmacs since
> John> something like lemacs 19.8, but I'm actually starting to doubt
> John> my faith.
> 
> There should be no faith involved at all.  

Guess I should have put a smiley in...

> I use emacs because it
> allows me to do things easier than any other similar tool I've ever
> used.  I prefer using XEmacs versus Emacs because it's easier and more
> pleasant for me to work with.  Your Mileage May Vary, and that is a
> good thing.

Agreed.

> John> It's unrelated to the speed question, but one thing that's
> John> weighing in heavily is the existence of a very strong and active
> John> NT/95 effort with FSF Emacs.
> 
> John> I just got a Pentium box, and although I do have Linux, it came
> John> with 95, and I wanted to see what it's like.  I've also put NT
> John> on it, and the ability to have my old friend Emacs there as well
> John> makes it a much nicer place to visit.
                                       ^^^^^
> There goes the neighborhood.  If that kind of interface look & feel is
> your cup of tea, there was a new release of fvwm this week that
> includes Microsoft Windows '95 sorts of things.
> 
> This is another choice as well.  If you really prefer spending money
> for bug fix upgrades mistakenly labelled `New Releases', that is
> fine.  I'd prefer to spend the money on RAM, or new disks.  To each
> their own.

C'mon, now, don't be so quick to write me off just because I want to
check it out.  I've been doing computational physics for around 15
years, and I've never used DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, or Windows NT
until just now.  Seriously.  I started with boxes of cards and a big
IBM mainframe, went from there to DEC and VMS, and soon to my first
taste of Unix, on an Alliant.  That was something like 1985, and it was
also my intro to Emacs.  I've used various flavors of Unix since then,
and that's it.  Well, except for a bit of CTSS on the Crays here until
they converted to UNICOS, and tiny bits of MacOS when absolutely
necessary.

Anyway, the point is that I really only know Unix.  There's a tremendous
amount of talk about 95 and NT, and I'm curious.  If I claim Unix is
better, I want to be able so say exactly why, not just say "uh, I've read
some articles in Unix Review, and the folks on the net say it is".

+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;|
|Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;                   |
|e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."               |
|                       |                        - Robert Fripp            |
+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------+

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From: brian@cse.ucsc.edu (Brian Levine)
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Subject: [Q] Opening a file in a Already running emacs?
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I want my tcl program send a file name to emacs, and then have emacs
open the file, but I want emacs to already be running... anyone ever
try this?

Brian

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From: Ken Butler <kenb@leonardo.dadd.ti.com>
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I'm in the process of switching to the version of GNUS that comes with
XEmacs 19.14.  One thing that's kinda bugging me is that it creates a
~/Mail/archive every time I startup up GNUS (I don't keep my e-mail in
~/Mail).  I've read the FAQ, articles, info, and the source code, but I
don't see what's causing it to create that directory.  Any idea what is
and how to stop it?

It's also flashing a message at me in the minibuffer, but it goes by too
quickly for me to read.  I don't know if that's related or not and I
can't figure out how to read that message (tried setting debug-on-error
to 't' but that didn't help).

Here's some things I tried that didn't help:

(setq gnus-message-archive-group nil)
(setq message-directory "~/.m/")

I read this newsgroup, but I'd appreciate a copy of your reply by e-mail
if you don't mind just so I don't miss it.

Thanks.

Ken

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From: Ken Butler <kenb@leonardo.dadd.ti.com>
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Subject: Re: GNUS 5.2.X startup problem
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Earlier, I wrote:

> I'm in the process of switching to the version of GNUS that comes with
> XEmacs 19.14.  One thing that's kinda bugging me is that it creates a
> ~/Mail/archive every time I startup up GNUS (I don't keep my e-mail in
> ~/Mail).  I've read the FAQ, articles, info, and the source code, but I
> don't see what's causing it to create that directory.  Any idea what is
> and how to stop it?

> It's also flashing a message at me in the minibuffer, but it goes by too
> quickly for me to read.  I don't know if that's related or not and I
> can't figure out how to read that message (tried setting debug-on-error
> to 't' but that didn't help).

> Here's some things I tried that didn't help:

> (setq gnus-message-archive-group nil)
> (setq message-directory "~/.m/")

> I read this newsgroup, but I'd appreciate a copy of your reply by e-mail
> if you don't mind just so I don't miss it.

Never mind.  I just figured it out.  It was the nnfolder stuff, and the
two problems *were* related.

According to the documentation,

(setq gnus-message-archive-group nil)

should turn off the nnfolder archival stuff, but I wound up having to
do:

(setq gnus-message-archive-method nil)

as well.

FYI.

Ken

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From: Alan Kaplan <kaplan@ellice.cs.flinders.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Quetion: Setting time zone correctly
Date: 19 Aug 1996 03:57:38 +0200
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I'm using "display-time", but the time value displayed is 
incorrect. My machine's time is correct, so I'm assuming this 
is simply a time-zone problem.  So...

How does one set time time-zone for Xemacs?  
Is this done during installation Xemacs?  
Or performed by setting a variable in a global 
init file?  

Thanks.

Alan

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Subject: XEmacs 19.14, MailCrypt, Gnus
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MailCrypt doesn't seem to be hooking int news posting with XEmacs 19.14, 
and the MailCrypt and Gnus that came bundled with it.

The hook (add-hook 'news-reply-mode-hook 'mc-install-write-mode) is what 
seems to be broken -- in fact, news-reply-mode-hook is undocumented, as 
if the MailCrypt author shouldn't have used it in the first place.

Anyone have a fix?


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Chuck Thompson (cthomp@xemacs.org) wrote:
: This is not a completely fair comparison.  The last two releases of
: GNU Emacs have been more towards stabilization than adding new
: features.  The last XEmacs release was a new feature release pure and
: simple.  XEmacs has a historical cycle of even numbered releases
: having lots of new features and odd numbered releases only having bug
: / performance fixes.  19.12 had lots of new features and was slow.
: 19.13 fixed lots of bugs and was quite a bit faster.  19.14 adds lots
: of new features and has slowed back down.  More on 19.15 in a minute.

Interesting - it was the jump from 19.11 to 19.13 which seemed to have
a big slowdown associated with it.  BTW, I am running on a HPUX 700
series workstation at work - with 32 meg I think.  Anyhow, it could be
that whatever memory management issue was causing things to drag
might be fixed in a later release.  If 19.15 doesn't end up faster
on my target system than 19.13, I won't use it at work.
 
: Yes, packages originally written for GNU Emacs may initially not work
: correctly on XEmacs.  The reverse is also very much true.  Sometimes
: this may be due to a bug in XEmacs.  In other cases it has been caused
: by GNU Emacs changing an interface.  Since there is always going to be
: a delay between when such changes are made in GNU Emacs and when the
: same or a similar change will show up in XEmacs, you are going to have
: a period where the latest version of the package doesn't work
: correctly in XEmacs.  To be fair, the reverse situation happens as
: well.

Yeah - unfortunately, tempting as it is, I don't want the burden of
porting all of our (us being Nortel) internal GNU-targeted elisp to
XEmacs.   We have elisp tools to browse our proprietary programming
language, procedure traces, and our nonstandard mail.  I'd hate to
tackle all three. 

: The next XEmacs release, 19.15, will be faster than 19.14.  Will it be
: as fast as GNU Emacs?  For some people, certainly.  For all people?
: Doubtful.  It will assuredly require more memory than GNU Emacs if you
: use all of its features.  Many of the major features that XEmacs
: provides revolve around its display engine: better display of text and
: the ability to display graphics.  The process needed to do this is an
: order of magnitude more complex than that needed by the GNU Emacs
: display engine.  Also, graphics eat more memory.

The fantastic support of graphics in XEmacs is quite remarkable.  I'm
just not sure it's worth the slowdown for me on this particular
platform at work.


: * SOAPBOX ON *

<snip>
: Having a single Emacs would make things less confusing for users.  I
: don't believe it is going to happen, though.  The philosophical
: differences between the two development camps are too great.  I do not
: want to start any debates or flame wars on this topic.  There is no
: "right" side or "wrong" side here.  There is just a difference of
: opinions.

It seems like the differences in architecture are too great as well.

: Unlike some, I believe that the split has actually been good for Emacs
: as a whole.  A little competition, real or imagined, can be a good
: motivator and I believe it has definitely motivated some (X)Emacs
: features along faster than they would have otherwise.  There has
: actually been surprisingly little overlap in the areas where GNU Emacs
: and XEmacs have added the most new functionality.  My conclusion is
: that the split has led to more combined overall functionality than
: would exist at this point if the split had never occurred.

I agree - GNUEmacs painfully lagged in its incorporation of
X-awarenness, but since the birth of XEmacs, GNUEmacs seems to develop
(or incorporate) GUI features more quickly.

In a bizarre twist, XEmacs seems to have introduced an analogue of
free-market competition in a free package.

<snip>

: Neither GNU Emacs nor XEmacs is going to disappear anytime soon,
: though one or the other may have more users.  More people drink Coke
: than Pepsi but neither one is hurting for customers.

: * SOAPBOX OFF *

Thanks, Chuck, for your cogent and stunningly diplomatic post.  I
suspect I will give XEmacs another shot at work when 19.15 is
released, and I certainly will install it on my Septium-666 home
system, when I finally get around to buying it.

By the way, I really love the ease of installation of XEmacs compared
to GNUEmacs.  It is soooo nice just grabbing HP/UX executables which
really aren't too concerned about what directory they're living in or
which toolkit is installed.

Well Done!

-Carter
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>>>>> "STKUJAWA" == STKUJAWA@DELPHI COM <STKUJAWA@news.delphi.com> writes:

STKUJAWA> MailCrypt doesn't seem to be hooking int news posting with
STKUJAWA> XEmacs 19.14, and the MailCrypt and Gnus that came bundled
STKUJAWA> with it.

STKUJAWA> The hook (add-hook 'news-reply-mode-hook
STKUJAWA> 'mc-install-write-mode) is what seems to be broken --
STKUJAWA> in fact, news-reply-mode-hook is undocumented, as if
STKUJAWA> the MailCrypt author shouldn't have used it in the
STKUJAWA> first place.

It was correct when he wrote it, but Gnus changed since then.

STKUJAWA> Anyone have a fix?

Use the Mailcrypt that came with XEmacs 19.14.  The Gnus hooks have
changed since the original release of Mailcrypt 3.4, and there is no
longer a news-reply-hook.

Use the initialization:
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'mc-install-write-mode)
(add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'mc-install-read-mode)
in your .gnus.

You should also bytecompile mailcrypt while you're at it, the .elcs
shipped with 19.14 are out of date :-(.
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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs movemail & POP
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ndd2@columbia.edu (Nathaniel D. Daw) writes:
> And does anyone know what the right way of using POP in GNUS is?
> Presumably it is not to use movemail at all; what is the software I
> should get instead?

Nathaniel, I ended up using a binary gnu emacs 19.31, built for linux/elf
(my system) by a friend.

Try building gnu emacs' movemail, and see if perhaps that's a better
result. I use xemacs 19.14 + gnus 5.2.25 + gnu emacs movemail together
without a hitch now.

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Ken Butler <kenb@leonardo.dadd.ti.com> writes:
> It's also flashing a message at me in the minibuffer, but it goes by too
> quickly for me to read.  I don't know if that's related or not and I
> can't figure out how to read that message...


Try `C-h l`, which will "Display last 100 input keystrokes and last 100 or
so minibuffer messages."

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Richard Cognot  <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> wrote:

> Actually, the problem was with lib[x]curses redefining a buggy select() call.
> PHCO_808 available from HP corrects this. Get it from
  ^^^^^^^^
> http://www.support.mayfield.hp.com

That patch number should read PHCO_8086.

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Hewlett-Packard Company
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Is there a simple way of getting the bibtex-menu
to show up in the menubar instead as a popup-menu?

	Karl

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [19.14] BUG: nil `minibuffer' Frame Property Not Remembered?
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Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu> writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.14, it appears that a `nil' `minibuffer' frame property is not
> remembered.  For example:
> 
> 	(setq foo-frame (make-frame '(minibuffer nil)))
> 	=> #<x-frame "emacs" 0x19d2>
> 	;; `foo-frame' appears, and it has no minibuffer.
> 
> 	(frame-property frame 'minibuffer)
> 	=> t
> 
> `frame-properties' shows that the `minibuffer' has a `t' value as well.  Can
> anybody reproduce this behavior?

This is a bug in XEmacs.  It will be fixed in 19.15.
There are 2 places in frame.c where there is an extra `!':

   FROB (Qminibuffer, (! FRAME_HAS_MINIBUF_P (f) ? Qt
 		      : FRAME_MINIBUF_ONLY_P (f) ? Qonly
 		      : FRAME_MINIBUF_WINDOW (f)));
  

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Subject: Re: [19.14] BUG: `menubar-visible-p' Not Returned in `frame-properties'
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Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu> writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.14, it appears that `frame-properties' returns a list that does
> not include the `menubar-visible-p' pseudo-property.  For instance:
> 
> 	(setq foo-frame (make-frame '(menubar-visible-p nil)))
> 	=> #<x-frame "emacs" 0x1a4d>
> 	;; The new frame appears without a menubar.
> 
> 	(frame-property foo-frame 'menubar-visible-p 'default)
> 	=> nil
> 	;; Correct value returned.
> 
> 	(frame-properties foo-frame)
> 	=> (name "emacs" height 55 ...)
> 	;; List without a `menubar-visible-p' property.
> 
> Note that the `default-toolbar-visible-p' pseudo-property is returned by
> `frame-properties' when it has a specified value.
> 
> Is there a bug here, or am I misunderstanding how the specifier pseudo-frame-
> properties are supposed to work?

A comment in frame.c (frame-properties) says:

  /* #### should we be adding all the specifiers and glyphs?
     That would entail having a list of them all. */

On the other hand, a list of specifiers and glyphs is given in the
docstring for set-frame-properties, so we already have a list.

This is hard to get right. 
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Richard Cognot wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Gregor" == Gregor Karl Frey <gregor.karl.frey@sap-ag.de> writes:
>     >>
>     >>  It's the sound library. Either configure with
>     >> --with-sound=none, or look in /opt/audio/lib. LibAlib.* should
>     >> be there.
>     >>
>     >> Richard.
> 
>     Gregor> But now the option "--with-sound=none" leads to: ld:
>     Gregor> Unsatisfied symbols: shl_findsym (code) shl_load (code)
>     Gregor> shl_unload (code) *** Error exit code 1
> 
>     Gregor> Stop.
> 
>     Gregor> What now?
> 
> Sounds like -ldld didn't get added tot the link line. Did you
> configure with --dynamic=yes?
> 
> Alternatively, try configuring with:
>     --with-sound=native --native-sound-lib=/opt/audio/lib/libAlib.sl
> (or .a) (This is supposed to work on suns, so I don't know if it'll
> work on HP)
> 
> OR
>     --with-sound=native and $LDOPTS set to "-L/opt/audio/lib"
> OR
>     --with-sound=native --site-libraries="/opt/audio/lib /whatever/you/need"
> 
> Funny thing is, I've got a link in /usr/lib/ to libAlib.sl... Are you
> sure your system install is not wrong? Or is /opt/audio/lib/ not there?
> 
> Richard.

I finally did it with sound=none on a second HP-Station. I've no Idea
what went wrong with shl_findsym on the frist machine. But anywho: the
resulting xemacs runs on both machines, and as far as I can see,
everything is allright. Thanks for your help!
Bye
Gregor

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From: goma0002@rz03.FH-Karlsruhe.DE (Martin Goik)
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-Maybe I didnt read the FAQ thoroughly enough. If you are using W3 and try to follow a bad (i.e no longer exiistent) link W3 hangs till infinity. In a typical WWW browser you simply click on a "stop" button. Is there a similar capabilytiy
in W3 or at least a configurable timeout ? -
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From: Robin Stephenson <r.stephenson@elsevier.co.uk>
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Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:29:26 +0100
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>>>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:36:39 -0700 in article <3214BFB7.6D32@buffnet.net>
>>>>> "John" == John Ehrlinger <jehrling@buffnet.net> wrote:

John> I am looking for a mode that works with csh scripts.  The
John> ksh-mode.el does not correctly identify all syntax.  If anyone
John> has extended this to the csh or knows where such a package is, I
John> would greatly appreciate the pointer.

I can't really help you with looking for a csh-mode, but I /can/ help
you with some reasons why you really really don't want one:

	     http://www.homenet.se/basic/csh-whynot.html

(disclaimer:  I use tcsh interactively, and perl for `shell' programming)

-- 
Robin Stephenson - send mail with subject `send pgp key' for my key
For Estimating Purposes Only

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From: Heiko Muenkel <muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.sources,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Announcement: hm--html-menus-5.0
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Hello,

I've written a new version (5.0) of my html package for the XEmacs 
and the GNU Emacs 19. The name of the package is:

		 hm--html-menus-5.0.tar.gz

With this package it is very easy to write html pages for the World Wide 
Web (WWW). Eg: In most cases the user gets help to construct a specific 
link by examples or by a completition list with possible input strings.
It is also possible to insert links and images by just clicking on its
source and destination (drag and drop feature).

The biggest new features in this release are:
- drag and drop functions to insert links with the mouse
- a minor mode to extent other html modes like the psgml mode
- some new html tags, like the <applet> tags
- fixed some old html tags 
- the pulldown menu in the Emacs 19 is no longer a global menu
- the popup menus in the Emacs 19 are now much fastere 
- the name of the mode has changed from html-mode to hm--html-mode
- the package is longer based on the package of Marc Andreessen
Read the NEWS file to see news in detail...

You should find hm--html-menus-5.0.tar.gz on the following ftp server:
	sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/apps/editors/emacs/
	ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de in /pub/editors/xemacs/contrib

It may take some time, before the package is copied by the ftp admins
from the incoming directories to the above listed directories.

There is also a html documentation about the package. You can find it on:
http://www.tnt.uni-hannover.de:80/data/info/www/tnt/soft/info/www/html-editors/hm--html-menus/overview.html

The package provides functions to insert the following stuff in html-pages:
1. Anchors:
	html link, info link, gopher link, file link;
	ftp link, news link, mail link, wais (direct) link,
	wais (gateway) link;
	proggate link, local proggate link, general link;
	link target;
2. Frame elements:
	full html frame with html, head, body, title, header and signature
	elements or only the single elements;
	link element;
	html 'created'- and 'changed'- comments;  
	the current date in the title; 
3. Structure elements:
	menu or list item, menu, unordered list, ordered list, directory list;
	description list, description title, description entry;
	new paragraph, new line, horizontal rule, table, table title, 
	table header, table row, table entry;
4. for formatting paragraphs:
	without links, with links, blockquote, listing, abstract;
5. formatting:
	bold, italic, underline, typewriter, strikethru, super and subscript,
	emphasized, strong, big,
	definition, keyboard, variable,	code, sample, citation,
	html comment;
6. include:
	top aligned image, middle aligned image, bottom aligned image,
	applet, parameter
7. forms:
	form;
	text, password, isindex, integer, float, date, url, scribble fields; 
	checkbox, radio, reset, image, audio and submit buttons;
	option menus, scrolled lists and option entries;
	textarea;
8. entities:
	most of the special ISO- characters, less, greater and ampersand;

If it makes sense, the functions worked also on selected regions.
I've used the same menu items and the same keystrokes. Therefore, you
don't need to learn different menus or keys for similar functions.

You can choose the popup menus between an expert menu and an novice
menu interactively.

With the pulldown menu, you can do the following things:
- select the pulldown menu
- remove numeric names
- quotify hrefs
- reload the config files
- load html templates from a template directory (two templates are included
  in the package); templates written in a special template language are
  expanded automatically;
- preview html documents with the netscape
- preview html documents with the xmosaic
- preview html documents with the w3 package for the lemacs and emacs

You can insert links and images by clicking with Meta Button1 on its
source and then on its destination. For this drag and drop interface
the following destinations and links are supported:
- the inclusion of an GIF- or JPEG- image by clicking on its name
  in a dired buffer
- a file or relative link to any other file by clicking on its name
  in a dired buffer
- a file or relative link to a directory by clicking on a line without
  a filename in the dired buffer
- a file or relative link to a file by clicking in a buffer with this
  file
- a http or relative link to a html page by clicking in the w3 buffer, 
  which displays this page
- a http or relative link, which is in another html page by clicking 
  on the link in a w3 buffer
If there is an activated region in the source buffer, then the link
is inserted around it, so that the region is used as the name of the
link.

You can configure the html mode with a special configuration file for
your site and with another file specific for a user.

The html specification is under development and therefore this
package is also under development. So, if you have any ideas to
extend the package, feel free to email them to muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de.


Heiko



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From: Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs
Date: 19 Aug 1996 14:08:12 +0200
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>> On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:48:23 GMT, redhouse@netcom.com (Carter
>> Sanders) said:

    CS> This my current situation - I've been using XEmacs at work and
    CS> liking it, but the last few releases have gotten too big and
    CS> slow in my opinion.  I really hate when an editor can't keep
    CS> up with my keystrokes.  XEmacs seems to have a particularly
    CS> hard time with large files.

    CS> So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.

Indeed. I'd been waiting for XEmacs 19.14, but when I tried it, I
could not live with its slowness and memory consumption.

I don't really need the feature that XEmacs adds: pixmaps in buffers,
and pictures on buttons etc.. The only thing I wanted that for was to
be able to run w3 (WEB browser) in Emacs, but w3 doesn't even do
tables or frames so it's unfit for WEB browsing anyway.

I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

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In XEmacs 19.13 of Mon Sep  4 1995 on tahma.tekla.fi (berkeley-unix) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

When I try to invoke ispell, I get this message:

ispell version 3.1 is required: try renaming ispell4.el to ispell.el

Mark Dorland
(Go Illini!)

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From: "Ron A. Zajac" <zajac@bnr.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [Q] Opening a file in a Already running emacs?
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:39:38 -0600
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Brian Levine wrote:
> 
> I want my tcl program send a file name to emacs, and then have emacs
> open the file, but I want emacs to already be running... anyone ever
> try this?

Emacs already provides this kind of client/server interaction via 
"gnuserv" and "gnuclient".  The gnuserv is run as an adjunct process 
to the Emacs process (you arrange for this in the .emacs), and you 
(that is, tcl) can exec "gnuclient <file_to_edit>" to bring about the 
behavior you want.

(if window-system
    (load "gnuserv-frame")
  (load "gnuserv"))
(server-start)

I have a gnuserv-frame.el in my own lisp directory in the lisp-path.

Anyway, I'm sure someone in c.e.x will tell you more; in the meantime, 
snoop around and see if this stuff is lying dormant on your present 
system, waiting for you to use it!

"HOME" $ type gnuclient
gnuclient is /bnr/tools/bin/gnuclient
"HOME" $

Ron A. Zajac

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From: pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande)
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Subject: Re: dot,vi ...
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In article <9608161416.AA26625@ocsystems.com> gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:


> The only other thing I can think of is perhaps dot-mode.el isn't in
> your path, and so it can't be loaded.  It's not part of the standard
> XEmacs distribution.

   Where can I get dot-mode.el? Any help will be appreciated.

thanks,

prasad

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Subject: Backquote on XEmacs 19.14
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Hello !

I have a really annoying problem: I lost my backqoute (` that is)
and can't find it :-)

A bit more serious: I'm programming in Lisp and using the backqoute
is absolutely necessary for me. I'm using a german keyboard (no 
wonder - I live in Germany) so the backqoute should be reached via
Shift+qoute. What happens is that (C-h k backqoute gives self-insert-command)
a normal qoute appears which is also promoted to disk - so it is not
a displaying problem. I checked the app-defaults file but couldn't
find anything that looked like a redefinition of backqoute. Needless
to say that the global and local startup-Files (site-start.el and .emacs)
don't contain any redefinition. Backqoute works on any other program,
all editors and the shell are happy which implies that the xmodmap is fine.

The system is an elf-based Linux 2.0.11 with X11R6, I build XEmacs from 
the sources and it is otherwise simply the best editor ever.

So, if anybody has an idea, where should I look ? (I don't want to
dig the sources ...)

Thanks in advance,

 Holger 

-- 
holger_schauer :-
   mail_address("Holger.Schauer@gmd.de"),
   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
   www_home_page("http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~schauer/index.html").

(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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From: Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com>
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Hi everyone,

I recently ran across a few postings with pictures, probably gifs or jpegs,
in them.  The gus who sits beside me saw them under his Netscape News reader.
All I got were the HTML codes, or something like that, under GNUS.  Is there
at variable or something that I have to set in order to have the pictures
come up automatically?

Thanks ins advance,

Bidemi Temidire
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CHEWING, AND WASH IT DOWN WITH A FINE WHITE WINE.

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Hi everyone,

I recently had the opportunity to try the shell-mode under my xemacs-19.14
system.  It loaded up just fine and gave me a pretty prompt.  But, whenever I
issued a command, the outputs to the shell were mal-aligned, not recognizable,
or conyained actual ASCII code or control sequences.

Does anyone know what's a matter with this thing?

By the way, I'm running Linux 2.0.13 on a P100 with 32MB of memory, Mach64
2MB video card, and a MAG DX15F monitor.

Thanks in advance.

Bidemi Temidire
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Since a number of people have asked about it, here's dot-mode.el.  There
may be a newer version; I don't know -- Jim Gillespie, jim@sbil.co.uk, is
the author.

---------------- begin dot-mode.el ----------------
;;; DOT-MODE.EL - minor mode to repeat typing or commands
;;; Copyright (C) 1995 James Gillespie

 
;;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;;; any later version.

;;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;;; A copy of the GNU General Public License can be obtained from this
;;; program's author (send electronic mail to jim@sbil.co.uk) or from
;;; the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA
;;; 02139, USA.

;;; COMMENTARY
;;;
;;; This mode is written to address one argument in the emacs vs. vi
;;; jihad :-)  It emulates the vi `.' command, repeating the
;;; immediately preceding sequence of commands.  This is done by
;;; almost continuously recording input commands, delimited by motion
;;; commands or the "dot" command.

;;; DESIGN
;;;
;;; This is my first minor mode, and the deepest I've ever dug into
;;; the internals of XEmacs.  It could probably be faster and do
;;; things more cleanly, but hey, it works :-)
;;;
;;; The heart of this minor mode is a state machine.  The function
;;; dot-mode-after-change is called from after-change-functions and
;;; sets a variable (is there one already?  I couldn't find it) which
;;; is examined by dot-mode-loop, called from from post-command-hook.
;;; This variable, dot-mode-changed, is used in conjunction with
;;; dot-mode-state to move to the next state in the state machine.
;;; The state machine is hard coded into dot-mode-loop in the
;;; interests of speed; it uses three normal states (idle, start and
;;; store) and three corresponding override states to allow the user
;;; to forcibly store commands which do not change the buffer.

;;; KEY BINDINGS
;;;
;;; `C-.'   is bound to dot-mode-execute, which executes the buffer of
;;;	    stored commands as a keyboard macro.
;;; `C-M-.' is bound to dot-mode-override, which will cause dot-mode
;;;	    to remember the next keystroke regardless of whether it
;;;	    changes the buffer.

(defconst dot-mode-version "0.2"
  "Report bugs to: James Gillespie jim@sbil.co.uk")

(defvar dot-mode nil
  "Whether dot mode is on or not")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode)

(defvar dot-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)
  "Keymap used in dot mode buffers")
(define-key dot-mode-map [(control ?.)]		'dot-mode-execute)
(define-key dot-mode-map [(control meta ?.)]	'dot-mode-override)

(add-minor-mode 'dot-mode " Dot" dot-mode-map)

(defvar dot-mode-changed nil
  "Did last command change buffer?")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-changed)

(defvar dot-mode-cmd-buffer nil
  "Saved commands.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-cmd-buffer)

(defvar dot-mode-state 0
  "Current state of dot mode.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-state)

(defun dot-mode-execute ()
  "Execute stored commands."
  (interactive)
  ;; Don't want execution to kick off infinite recursion
  (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
  (remove-hook 'after-change-functions 'dot-mode-after-change)
  ;; Do the business
  (execute-kbd-macro dot-mode-cmd-buffer)
  ;; Put the hooks back
  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
  (add-hook (make-local-variable 'after-change-functions) 'dot-mode-after-change))

(defun dot-mode-override ()
  "Override standard behaviour and store next keystroke no matter what."
  (interactive)
  (setq dot-mode-state (+ dot-mode-state 3)))

(defun dot-mode-after-change (start end prevlen)
  (setq dot-mode-changed t))

(defun dot-mode-loop ()
  "The heart of dot mode."
;;;  (message (format "%d" dot-mode-state))
  (cond ((= dot-mode-state 0)		; idle
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-state	1
		   dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(this-command-keys))))
	((= dot-mode-state 1)		; start again
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-state	2
		   dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(vconcat dot-mode-cmd-buffer (this-command-keys)))
	   (setq dot-mode-state	0)))
	((= dot-mode-state 2)		; keep going
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(vconcat dot-mode-cmd-buffer (this-command-keys)))
	   (setq dot-mode-state	0)))
	(t				; override
	 (setq dot-mode-state	    (- dot-mode-state 3)
	       dot-mode-changed	    t))))

(defun dot-mode (arg)
  "Toggle dot mode.
With arg, turn dot mode on iff arg is positive.

Dot mode mimics the `.' function in vi, repeating sequences of
commands and/or typing delimited by motion events.  Use `C-.' rather
than just `.'."
  (interactive "P")
  (setq dot-mode
	(if (if (null arg) (not dot-mode)
	      (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
	    t))
  (if (not dot-mode)
      (progn
	(remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
	(remove-hook 'after-change-functions 'dot-mode-after-change))
    (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
    (add-hook (make-local-variable 'after-change-functions) 'dot-mode-after-change)
    (setq dot-mode-state	0
	  dot-mode-changed	nil
	  dot-mode-cmd-buffer	nil))
  (redraw-modeline))

(provide 'dot-mode) 
----------------- end dot-mode.el -----------------

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From: rsi@fragola.hr.lucent.com (Rajappa Iyer)
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pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande) writes:

>Where can I get dot-mode.el? Any help will be appreciated.

The elisp archives should contain it, I would think:

ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

If you can't find it, drop me a note and I'll mail you a copy.
-- 
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From: anderson@lindy.cs.umass.edu (Scott D. Anderson)
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I've been reading this discussion comparing Xemacs and GNU Emacs, and no
one has mentioned the biggest difference I know of.  The GNU Emacs that
I've used don't seem to understand X-windows cut and paste, which Xemacs
does.  This means I can cut/paste from a shell to an emacs and so forth.
Since no one has mentioned it, there must be a way to make GNU Emacs
respond to X-windows gestures.  Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks.

-- 
Scott D. Anderson
Spelman College
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>>>>> "JT" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:

    JT> Hmm.  I do use both lazy-lock and func-menu.  But lazy-lock is
    JT> absolutely essential for making font-lock itself usable,
    JT> right?  Or is fast-lock better?

I use fast-lock and it works well for me.  I suppose since I don't use
lazy-lock, or menus and toolbars much for that matter, I haven't been
bitten by the performance problems.  My primary platform is a
(nowadays) lowly Sparc 5, although I do have 64MB of RAM.  For the
most part XEmacs 19.14 is plenty fast for nearly everything I do
(e.g. VM, GNUS, font-locking C and Python, etc...)  I notice
occasional temporary hangs, but as yet haven't tracked them down and
really suspect NFS lags more than XEmacs bottlenecks.

I think performance is really closely linked with the feature set you
use.

    JT> one thing that's weighing in heavily is the existence of a
    JT> very strong and active NT/95 effort with FSF Emacs.

This is indeed more troubling.  I use Solaris on my Pentium box and so
have had no problem getting the tools I want.  But NT will undoubtably
be, if it is not already, an important `market' that XEmacs will have
to support.

-Barry

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>>>>> "PM" == Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:

    PM> I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
    PM> provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Does GNU Emacs now support mixed-device multiple frames?  I.e. can I
have one Emacs process running, with a few X frames on both screens of
my dual-headed Sparc, the X device running on my home machine over a
PPP link, and a window open on a tty device on a dumb terminal over in
the lab?  All simultaneously?

This is the one absolutely essential feature for me that XEmacs
supports beautifully.

-Barry


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>>>>> "SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

    SLB> As an aside, I consider both of the Perl modes totally
    SLB> useless wrt font locking since they are easily confused by
    SLB> Perl syntax.  There's a cost/benefit tradeoff with font lock.
    SLB> Correct font locking makes reading structured files *much*
    SLB> easier.  Any time that font-lock puts the wrong information
    SLB> on the display it fails miserably IMHO.

Of course, the solution to this is to dump Perl and use Python
<http://www.python.org/>!  (1/2 :-).  It has a much saner syntax and
besides, I know the python-mode maintainer personally.  :-)

    SLB> I don't know.  Fast lock works by saving the font lock
    SLB> information to a separate file.  This technique can lose in a
    SLB> variety of ways.  I don't like keeping the extra baggage
    SLB> around, and I don't always edit files in XEmacs or Emacs.

Hmm, I haven't had any problems with fast-lock for at least a couple
of XEmacs releases.  And it really only gets in the act when you visit
a file and kill its buffer.  Other than that, it's out of the loop.

Since fast-lock saves the face cache data in a separate file, along
with a timestamp, you can always edit your files outside of XEmacs.
Next time you visit the file, it notices that the cache is out of data
and you just pay the penalty you normally pay (let font-lock refontify
the buffer as usual).  I haven't had any problems with the cache
getting hosed.  Seems to me the *only* extra cost is incurred when
killing the buffer, since that's when the face cache is written out to
disk.  This small price is easily overshadowed by the savings when
visiting large font-locked files the 2nd through nth times.  And the
face cache files never seem to be more than a few K in size, maybe the
occasional PostScript cache is 64K.

-Barry

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>>>>> "AO" == Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br> writes:

    AO> I'd prefer Jeemacs: Java enabled emacs

Or it's full name: Jeexus

I even have a tag line:

"The Java Enabled Emacs or XEmacs Ultimate System.  It's the editor
 that will save us all.  Coming (again) soon."

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b> Does GNU Emacs now support mixed-device multiple frames?  I.e. can
b> I have one Emacs process running, with a few X frames on both
b> screens of my dual-headed Sparc, the X device running on my home
b> machine over a PPP link, and a window open on a tty device on a
b> dumb terminal over in the lab?  All simultaneously?

GNU Emacs now handles multiple frames on different X displays without
problems, but not multiple terminals.

b> This is the one absolutely essential feature for me that XEmacs
b> supports beautifully.

XEmacs's tty redisplay code performs unacceptably poorly for me, so I
continue to use GNU Emacs for logging in from home.

	<b

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	I've been using xemacs-19.14 for a couple of weeks now and
it's VC mode works great for my RCS- and ClearCase-managed sources,
but I'm having trouble getting it to cooperate with CVS.

	If I load up a CVS-controlled file, the mode line indicates
that the file is indeed under CVS control and the correct revision
number of the file is shown (i.e. I see "(C CVS:main-1.20)" in the
mode line).  If, however, I try to use any of the VC functions,
vc-diff for example, I get the message "File <filename> is not under
version control".  This happens both with my own .emacs file or with
no .emacs file at all.  Emacs-19.31 handles the same files properly.

	Is this a known bug?  If so, is there a fix or a workaround
for it?

--Caleb

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>>>>> "SJ" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:

SJ> There is a big difference between -O2 and -O6 -mpentium.

But not so much of a difference between -O3 and -O6 on a Sparc.  XEmacs
19.14 is practically unusable on a 48Mb SparcClassic running Solaris 2.5
even with massive ammounts of optimizations.  It is drastically slower
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>  wrote:
>In article <Dw2zt0.r1@world.std.com> eugene@cs.umb.edu (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
>
>> > interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.  
>> Sorry, but there is no relationship between compilation and error-handling.
>Eugene, I think he was referring to quick edit-run cycle etc. My experience
>is that Smalltalk is a much faster language top develop in than C++.

Well, if he had said it that way, I wouldn't argue with that, but he did 
specifically insinuate that compiled languages don't handle errors as well: as 
an example, he asked if C programmers "checked the return value of printf" or 
something like that. This has nothing to do with the edit-run cycle.

>> conservative (assume a word is a pointer unless proven otherwise)
>Isn't this the other way around? Because otherwise you will GC some things
>that are not objects (eg assume an integer is a pointer and go and GC along
>it). 

 If you assume a word is a pointer even when it might not be, the worst that 
can happen is that you keep an object that could safely be deleted. Granted, 
you have to be picky about what might be a pointer: If there is something 
wrong with the area of memory being pointed to (ie, not inside heap, incorrect 
word alignment, incorrect record format, etc) then you can safely assume it is 
not a pointer. 

"The other way around" (assuming a word is not a pointer unless proven 
otherwise) is far more dangerous. What if it IS a pointer? Worse, the only 
pointer to that object? A valid object (and everything referenced only by it) 
would then be treated as garbage, and collected. 

Writing conservative GCs is a tricky business, but it's the only way to 
provide garbage collection under type-deficient languages like C. Let us hope 
that some day we will no longer need them.

-Eugene

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On 19 Aug 1996, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:


> XEmacs's tty redisplay code performs unacceptably poorly for me, so I
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> continue to use GNU Emacs for logging in from home.
> 
... for me too ... 
It looks like a bug especially when I use slow modem connection. My
terminal is attacked by a lot of extra characters which forces cursor 
to throw like tornado :). Is it really a bug or am I miss anything?
Can anybody explain how to avoid such a problem? 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Ruslan
"Ruslan Polyansky" <ruslan@landau.ac.ru>

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From: rsi@fragola.hr.lucent.com (Rajappa Iyer)
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gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:

>Since a number of people have asked about it, here's dot-mode.el.  There
>may be a newer version; I don't know -- Jim Gillespie, jim@sbil.co.uk, is
>the author.

There does seem to be a new version... here it is:
;; Purpose of this package: minor mode to repeat typing or commands
;;
;; Installation instructions
;;
;; Install this file somewhere in your load path, byte-compile it and
;; add this line to your .emacs file (remove the comment delimiters ;-)
;;
;; (autoload 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)	; vi `.' command emulation
;;
;; To turn dot mode on or off type `M-x dot-mode'
;;
;; Usage instructions:
;;
;; `C-.'    is bound to dot-mode-execute, which executes the buffer of
;;	    stored commands as a keyboard macro.
;;
;; `C-M-.'  is bound to dot-mode-override, which will cause dot-mode
;;	    to remember the next keystroke regardless of whether it
;;	    changes the buffer.
;;
;; Known bugs:
;;
;; Doesn't work with all versions of GNU Emacs
;;
;; LCD Archive Entry:
;; Dot-mode|James Gillespie|jim@tame
;; |Emacs version of vi "dot" command
;; Fri Feb  2 16:47:00 1996|1.0||
;;
 
;;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;;; any later version.

;;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;;; A copy of the GNU General Public License can be obtained from this
;;; program's author (send electronic mail to jim@sbil.co.uk) or from
;;; the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA
;;; 02139, USA.

;;; COMMENTARY
;;;
;;; This mode is written to address one argument in the emacs vs. vi
;;; jihad :-)  It emulates the vi `redo' command, repeating the
;;; immediately preceding sequence of commands.  This is done by
;;; recording input commands which change the buffer, i.e. not motion
;;; commands.

;;; DESIGN
;;;
;;; This is my first minor mode, and the deepest I've ever dug into
;;; the internals of XEmacs.  It could probably be faster and do
;;; things more cleanly, but hey, it works :-)
;;;
;;; The heart of this minor mode is a state machine.  The function
;;; dot-mode-after-change is called from after-change-functions and
;;; sets a variable (is there one already?  I couldn't find it) which
;;; is examined by dot-mode-loop, called from from post-command-hook.
;;; This variable, dot-mode-changed, is used in conjunction with
;;; dot-mode-state to move to the next state in the state machine.
;;; The state machine is hard coded into dot-mode-loop in the
;;; interests of speed; it uses three normal states (idle, start and
;;; store) and three corresponding override states to allow the user
;;; to forcibly store commands which do not change the buffer.

;;; I keep release numbers separate from RCS version numbers
;;; $Id: dot-mode.el,v 1.8 1996/02/02 16:54:47 jim Exp $

(defconst dot-mode-version "1.0"
  "Report bugs to: James Gillespie jim@sbil.co.uk")

;;; CHANGE HISTORY
;;;
;;; 1.1
;;; Wrote dot-mode.el
;;;
;;; 1.2
;;; At the suggestion of Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com>, added
;;; 'dot-mode-override' to allow the user to force dot mode to store a
;;; motion command
;;;
;;; 1.3
;;; Changed dot-mode-loop to use a state machine instead of several
;;; booleans
;;;
;;; 1.4
;;; Hard coded the state machine into dot-mode-loop in the hope of
;;; speeding it up
;;;
;;; 1.5
;;; Ported to GNU Emacs - nearly: the keymap doesn't seem to install
;;; correctly.

(defvar dot-mode nil
  "Whether dot mode is on or not")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode)

(defvar dot-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)
  "Keymap used in dot mode buffers")

;;; XEmacs vs GNU Emacs code to add a minor mode - installing the
;;; keymap doesn't quite seem to work for GNU Emacs
(if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (define-key dot-mode-map [(control ?.)]		'dot-mode-execute)
      (define-key dot-mode-map [(control meta ?.)]	'dot-mode-override)
      (add-minor-mode 'dot-mode " Dot" dot-mode-map))
  (define-key dot-mode-map "\C-?."	'dot-mode-execute)
  (define-key dot-mode-map "\C-\M-?."	'dot-mode-override)
  (or (assq 'dot-mode minor-mode-alist)
      (setq minor-mode-alist (cons '(dot-mode " Dot") minor-mode-alist)))
  (or (assq 'dot-mode minor-mode-map-alist)
      (setq minor-mode-map-alist (cons (cons 'dot-mode dot-mode-map)
				       minor-mode-map-alist))))

(defvar dot-mode-changed nil
  "Did last command change buffer?")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-changed)

(defvar dot-mode-cmd-buffer nil
  "Saved commands.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-cmd-buffer)

(defvar dot-mode-state 0
  "Current state of dot mode.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'dot-mode-state)

(defun dot-mode-execute ()
  "Execute stored commands."
  (interactive)
  ;; Don't want execution to kick off infinite recursion
  (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
  (remove-hook 'after-change-functions 'dot-mode-after-change)
  ;; Do the business
  (execute-kbd-macro dot-mode-cmd-buffer)
  ;; Put the hooks back
  (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
  (add-hook (make-local-variable 'after-change-functions) 'dot-mode-after-change))

(defun dot-mode-override ()
  "Override standard behaviour and store next keystroke no matter what."
  (interactive)
  (setq dot-mode-state (+ dot-mode-state 3)))

(defun dot-mode-after-change (start end prevlen)
  (setq dot-mode-changed t))

;;; In some emacsen this-command-keys returns a string, and I need a
;;; vector
(if (vectorp (this-command-keys))
    (fset 'dot-mode-command-keys 'this-command-keys)
  (defun dot-mode-command-keys ()
    (character-to-event (this-command-keys))))

(defun dot-mode-loop ()
  "The heart of dot mode."
  (cond ((= dot-mode-state 0)		; idle
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-state	1
		   dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(dot-mode-command-keys))))
	((= dot-mode-state 1)		; start again
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-state	2
		   dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(vconcat dot-mode-cmd-buffer (dot-mode-command-keys)))
	   (setq dot-mode-state	0)))
	((= dot-mode-state 2)		; keep going
	 (if dot-mode-changed
	     (setq dot-mode-changed	nil
		   dot-mode-cmd-buffer	(vconcat dot-mode-cmd-buffer (dot-mode-command-keys)))
	   (setq dot-mode-state	0)))
	(t				; override
	 (setq dot-mode-state	    (- dot-mode-state 3)
	       dot-mode-changed	    t))))

(defun dot-mode (arg)
  "Toggle dot mode.
With arg, turn dot mode on iff arg is positive.

Dot mode mimics the `.' function in vi, repeating sequences of
commands and/or typing delimited by motion events.  Use `C-.' rather
than just `.'."
  (interactive "P")
  (setq dot-mode
	(if (if (null arg) (not dot-mode)
	      (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
	    t))
  (if (not dot-mode)
      (progn
	(remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
	(remove-hook 'after-change-functions 'dot-mode-after-change))
    (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'dot-mode-loop)
    (add-hook (make-local-variable 'after-change-functions) 'dot-mode-after-change)
    (setq dot-mode-state	0
	  dot-mode-changed	nil
	  dot-mode-cmd-buffer	nil))
  (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))
  )

(provide 'dot-mode) 
--------------------- end ~/lib/lisp/dot-mode.el ---------------------
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From: arup@cs.cmu.edu (Arup Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Problem with gnuserv in Xemacs-19.14
Date: 19 Aug 1996 19:54:05 GMT
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In article <m3d90ucwb5.fsf@tupelo.best.com>,
Morgan Fletcher  <morgan@hahaha.org> wrote:
>work. I attempted to launch gnuserv from the command line via strace, and
>saw that it was failing to bind a socket -- the socket it wanted was
>already in use. It actually appeared that it tried a range of sockets
>before failing.
>
>I didn't and don't know how to rectify a situation like this without
>restarting the machine, but that's what I did, and gnuserv started fine
>after that. I don't know for sure if this was the solution.
>


You can also setenv the GNU_PORT environment variable to be whatever
port number you want gnuserv/gnuclient to use. Of course, if you do
this, you need to make sure that the variable gets set in both the
environment of the xemacs process (and hence that of the gnuserv
process it starts) as well as in the environment of the gnuclient
process that needs to contact it. See the gnuserv man page for more
details. 

-Arup

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I see the same behavior in Xemacs 19.14 with tm 7.75 and 7.78.  I'm
running under Solaris 2.5.  The precompiled binaries worked fine, but
I consistently see this behavior with the binaries I compiled
locally.  

This is the backtrace I get:
Signalling: (quit)
  ange-ftp-real-file-exists-p("/tmp/tmxfa001u0")
  file-exists-p("/tmp/tmxfa001u0")
  mime-preview/x-face-function-for-xemacs()
  run-hooks(mime-viewer/content-header-filter-hook)
  mime-preview/display-header(1 1076)
  mime-preview/display-content([mime::content-info nil 1 1974 "text/plain" (("charset" . "US-ASCII")) nil nil] [mime::content-info nil 1 1974 "text/plain" (("charset" . "US-ASCII")) nil nil] #<buffer " *Original Article*"> "*Article*")
  mime-viewer/make-preview-buffer("*Article*")
  mime-viewer/setup-buffer(nil nil " *Original Article*" "*Article*")
  mime/viewer-mode(nil nil nil " *Original Article*" "*Article*" #<keymap 347 entries 0x106f>)
  tm-gnus/preview-article()
  gnus-article-prepare(13182 nil)
  gnus-summary-display-article(13182)
  gnus-summary-next-page(nil t)
  gnus-mouse-pick-article(#<buttondown-event button2>)
  call-interactively(gnus-mouse-pick-article)

Ben
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Subject: Re: Compiling xemacs19.14 on HP
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??? -ldld is only needed to programatically load shared libs.  I
didn't think xemacs did this (yet).

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From: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [Q] tty redisplay code (Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs)
Date: 19 Aug 1996 13:05:34 -0700
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r> It looks like a bug especially when I use slow modem connection.

The GNU Emacs redisplay code was ripped out of XEmacs quite a long
time ago.  The XEmacs redisplay code makes sense on X displays, but
not on terminals, where the GNU Emacs code performs much better over
medium-to-slow connections.  This is unfortunate, but I don't expect
it to change (at least, not any time soon).

	<b

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
>>>>> "AO" == Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br> writes:

AO> I'd prefer Jeemacs: Java enabled emacs
BAW> Or it's full name: Jeexus

So tell me, how do you "Java-enable" a Java interpreter?  More
importantly, how do you "Java-*DIS*able" a Java interpreter so that I
can get to the real extension language?

:)

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>>>>> "Bidemi" == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:

Bidemi> Hi everyone, I recently ran across a few postings with
Bidemi> pictures, probably gifs or jpegs, in them.  The gus who sits
Bidemi> beside me saw them under his Netscape News reader.  All I got
Bidemi> were the HTML codes, or something like that, under GNUS.  Is
Bidemi> there at variable or something that I have to set in order to
Bidemi> have the pictures come up automatically?

You want to install the tm (Tools for MIME) package.  See:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_3_2

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]
               
   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
               
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
               
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM

   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.


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>>>>> "Bidemi" == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:

Bidemi> I recently had the opportunity to try the shell-mode under my
Bidemi> xemacs-19.14 system.  It loaded up just fine and gave me a
Bidemi> pretty prompt.  But, whenever I issued a command, the outputs
Bidemi> to the shell were mal-aligned, not recognizable, or conyained
Bidemi> actual ASCII code or control sequences.

Bidemi> Does anyone know what's a matter with this thing?

Nope.  Works for me with Linux 2.0.13/ELF and zsh 3.0.0.  Are you
using a csh variant by any chance?  There are known problems with
t?csh and improper code in .cshrc.

-- 
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How can I make edebug print it's output to
a named buffer rather than the message line?

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How can I automatically turn on dot-mode for every
buffer, and use commands executed in one buffer on another buffer?
 
-- 

	Ron Olsen
	ronolsen@lucent.com
	Boulder Colorado


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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [Q] tty redisplay code (Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs)
Date: 19 Aug 1996 18:25:04 -0500
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    Sullivan> The GNU Emacs redisplay code was ripped out of XEmacs
    Sullivan> quite a long time ago.  The XEmacs redisplay code makes
    Sullivan> sense on X displays, but not on terminals, where the GNU
    Sullivan> Emacs code performs much better over medium-to-slow
    Sullivan> connections.  This is unfortunate, but I don't expect it
    Sullivan> to change (at least, not any time soon).


This is simply not true.  Well, the last sentence may (may)
unfortunately be true.  The XEmacs redisplay is quite capable of
performing just as well as the GNU Emacs version on slow terminals.
Do not confuse 'not implemented' with 'not possible'.


The Reason XEmacs Redisplay Is Slow On Slow Terminal Connections
================================================================
The Epoch redisplay (which was the core of the redisplay engine in
Lucid Emacs / XEmacs 19.8 through 19.11) claimed to handle variable
height lines.  This was misleading.  At any particular point you could
redraw the display and everything would be displayed just fine even
with lots of variable height lines present.  If you tried to scroll
around, though, it would quickly get out of sync.  None of the cursor
motion routines had a clue about variable height lines.  There were a
number of other shortcomings with the Epoch redisplay, but this was
one of the major ones which prompted the 19.12 rewrite.

Starting with XEmacs 19.12, XEmacs truly understands variable height
lines.  All assumptions about the number of visible lines were
eliminated.  This is the cause of a number of visible changes to some
historical functions (e.g. window-edges replaced
withwindow-pixel-edges).  It is also the reason for the slowdown on
tty connections.  The optimizations which make redisplay efficient on
slow tty's, particular when scrolling, depend on the assumption that
the number of lines is constant.  19.12 invalidated that assumption.
Thus the inefficiency on slow tty connections.  But...

I kind of lied there.  Eliminating the assumption of a constant number
of lines doesn't completely break the optimizations.  It is possible
to modify them to deal partially with variable height lines.  The
bigger the difference between the number of visible lines in two
consecutive redisplays, the less likely they'll work.  If you're
quick, though, you've already realized that tty's are the base case
where the difference is always 0 and there is no breakage at all.

It is possible to put these optimizations back into XEmacs.  The
redisplay engine is actually divided into three parts.  The first
generates the internal display structures which represent what is
currently visible and what should be visible.  This is the largest
chunk of redisplay and it doesn't require any changes to add these
optimizations.  The second part of redisplay, the part which figures
out what needs to be done to get from what is visible to what should
be visble, is where almost all of the work is.  The third part is the
actual output routines.  A few new ones related to scrolling need to
be added, but that's easy.

The cheap way to do all of this would be to just put the optimizations
in for the degenerate case where you know variable height lines aren't
present.  However, while these extra optimizations aren't of great
value for most X displays they might be for X displays over slow
connections.  I would rather implement the optimizations generically
in the first place rather than basically hard code the base case.

Anyone who has followed all of this is more than welcome to implement
the necessary changes and send me the patches...



			-Chuck

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>>>>> "Neal" == Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com> writes:

    Neal> ??? -ldld is only needed to programatically load shared
    Neal> libs.  I didn't think xemacs did this (yet).

?????? 

Thought -ldld was mandatory when linking with shared libs. But I may
be completely  mistaken, in which case I don't see why these ymbols
came up undefined...

Richard.

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[Very few changes this month, other than the addition of new mirrors
to find Gnus sources.  The Gnus 5.0 stuff in here is getting pretty
dated.  Is anybody still using 5.0?  -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       =

   =

------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   =

   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented=

   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 5 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   =

   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It=

   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot=

   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   =

   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at=

   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   =

   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the=

   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   =

What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       =

   This file was last modified on August 19, 1996.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version?
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?
          + Q1.5 I get weird messages when running under XEmacs 19.13.
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server? [New!]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.1 Custom doesn't work under XEmacs
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't [New!]=

    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible?
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
       =

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      =

                                1. Installation
                                       =

   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus?

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.39. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   =

   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32.
   =

   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   =

   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to=

   be stable.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:gopher://gopher.pilgrim.umass.edu/11/pub/misc/ding/>,
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need?

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   =

   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.13 or later.
   =

   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   =

   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   =

   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   =

   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I=

   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   =

   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?

   Upgrade to XEmacs 19.13. In earlier versions of XEmacs this file was
   placed with Gnus 4.1.3, but that has been corrected.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.5 When I run Gnus on XEmacs 19.13 I get weird error messages.=


   You're running an old version of Gnus. Upgrade to at least version
   5.0.4.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   =

   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?

   The basic answer is to byte-compile under XEmacs, and then you can run=

   under either Emacsen. There is, however, a potential version problem
   with easymenu.el with Gnu Emacs prior to 19.29.
   =

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes :
   The internal easymenu.el interface changed between 19.28 and 19.29 in
   order to make it possible to create byte compiled files that can be
   shared between Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. The change is upward compatible,
   but not downward compatible. This gives the following compatibility
   table:

Compiled with:  | Can be used with:
----------------+--------------------------------------
19.28           | 19.28         19.29
19.29           |               19.29           XEmacs
XEmacs          |               19.29           XEmacs

   If you have Gnu Emacs 19.28 or earlier, or XEmacs 19.12 or earlier,
   get a recent version of auc-menu.el from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/pub/emacs-lisp/auc-menu.el> and install it
   under the name easymenu.el somewhere early in your load path.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.=

   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   =

   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as=

   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives=

   is provided by Gnus.
   =

   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   =

   This mailing list is now mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   =

   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   =

   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   =

   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   =

   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   =

   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical=

   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are four mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/manual/gnus_toc.html>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   =

   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.pilgrim.umass.edu/pub/misc/ding/refcard/>. In the
   United States. And
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   =

   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   =

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work

   Is Gnus in your load-path?
   =

   Patrick LoPresti <patl@lcs.mit.edu > writes :
   Note that this is not a bug in either Gnus or Mailcrypt; you cannot
   expect any file to byte-compile correctly if required packages are not=

   in your load path. (Or, worse, if a completely different version of
   the package is in the load path at compile-time than at run-time.)
   =

   Moreover, this need is documented in the Mailcrypt INSTALL file, so
   the problem is really just a failure to follow directions...
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  =

   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs=

   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   =

  Tools for Mime
  =

   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany).
   =

   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .gnus file.
   =

  Group Lens
  =

   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own=

   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   =

  Insidious Big Brother Database
  =

   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie=

   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?

   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going=

   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort=EC <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to=

   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   =

   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been=

   replaced with message-mode.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.=

   =

    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)=

       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an=

       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u=

       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       =

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      =

                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       =

   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1 Custom Edit does not work under XEmacs

   Please upgrade to Gnus 5.2, where it does work.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   =

   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use=

   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   =

   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will=

   be called to do the job.
   =

   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty=

   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   =

  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  =

   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  =

   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 =
nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  =

(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  =

   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?=
[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=3D))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  =

   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  =

   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil=
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -=
64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\=
S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\=
S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\=
S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   =

  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  =

   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  =

   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")=


------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   =

    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       =

   That's it.
   =

   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Do you call define-key or something like that in one of the summary
   mode hooks? This would force Emacs to recalculate the keyboard
   shortcuts.
   =

   Removing the call should speed up M-x gnus-summary-mode RET by a
   couple of orders of magnitude. You can use

        (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map KEY COMMAND)

   in your .gnus instead.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summa=
ry
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   =

   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry=

   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   =

   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir)))=
)
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir fi=
le))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably=

   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   =

   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   =

   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original=

   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   =

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location=

   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   =

   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   =

   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          =

   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          =

   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          =

   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          =

   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          =

   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          =

   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          =

   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          =

   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   =

   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       =

   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   =

   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite=

   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you=

   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   =

   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   =

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the=

   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   =

   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.=

   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail=

   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that=

   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.=

   How can I change that?
   =

   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      =

                                3. Reading News
                                       =

   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?=


   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters=

   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   =

     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>=

       .
       =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to=

   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   =

   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   =

   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   =

   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potorti` <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes: Just use C-u SPC or C-u
   RET for entering the group.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   =

   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   =

   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.=

   =

   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles=

   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   =

   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      =

                                4. Reading Mail
                                       =

   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a =
mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   =

   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   =

   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,=

   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been=

   placed in.
   =

   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   =

   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   =

   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   =

   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   =

   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Ok. I'll be adding a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable
   to match groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there
   are unread articles in the groups or not. I'll also be adding a
   visible group parameter that will have the same effect.
   =

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   =

   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   =

   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   =

   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking=

   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the=

   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked=

   as read in the renumbered group.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      =

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   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott D Anderson <anderson@lindy.cs.umass.edu> writes:

    Scott> I've been reading this discussion comparing Xemacs and GNU
    Scott> Emacs, and no one has mentioned the biggest difference I
    Scott> know of.  The GNU Emacs that I've used don't seem to
    Scott> understand X-windows cut and paste, which Xemacs does.
    Scott> This means I can cut/paste from a shell to an emacs and so
    Scott> forth.  Since no one has mentioned it, there must be a way
    Scott> to make GNU Emacs respond to X-windows gestures.  Can
    Scott> someone enlighten me?

Would you be using Sun's OpenWin/Slowlaris environment with cmdtools
and stuff ? These programs use the secondary selection, not the
primary one.
Try meta-clicking. Having meta depressed switches to the secondary
selection. If it's the problem, some key swapping will ensure that
everything's look natural.

BTW, have you checked with plain old xterm ?

Phil.


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Subject: Announcement: hm--view-process-2.4 - a process viewer package
Date: 20 Aug 1996 09:57:10 +0200
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Hello,

I've written a lisp package for the XEmacs 19.14 and the FSF Emacs
19, which provides a new mode - the "view-process-mode".   

The name of the package is hm--view-process-2.4.tar.gz.
You can get this package from one of the following places:
	ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de:/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib
	sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/editors/emacs/

With that mode it is possible to view processes on a UNIX system in an
emacs buffer. One can send signals to the processes or filter and sort
the buffer to find a special group of processes. The filtering and
sorting can be done on a region or on the whole output.  The filter
and sorter can use the whole line or single fields (like the command
field or the size field).

A signal can be send to all processes in a region or only to one
process.

The mode provides also some help functions to display explanations
over the output fields and their values.

It is also possible to view and kill processes on a remote machine via
rsh.

The mode commands can be called with special keybindings or with menu
items.  Each function, which can be run on regions and on the whole
output, has a generic interface, which determines the state of the
region and calls then the appropriate command.

Faces are used to highlight the header line and processes which should be
killed.

The mode is tested on Suns under SunOS 4.1.x and 5.x, on SGI's, HP's
and on Linux PC's.

Send any hints or bugs to: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de

Heiko Muenkel

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: redefiniton; syntax trees (was Re: emacs rewritten in java ?)
Date: 20 Aug 1996 10:40:03 +0200
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Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> 
> In article <199608082032.NAA16043@dlsun386.oracle.com> dnizhego@us.oracle.com (Dmitry Nizhegorodov) writes:
> 
> > > >(And someone from Russia says in another poster that he has.)
> > Russians are coming! 
> Sorry, I only remembered your name was Russian, but didn't see you're with
> Oracle. 
> 
> > If you refer to some other posting, could you please re-send me the
> > original message describing that package?
> 
> No, I was referring to your posting. I guess you, eugene@cs.umb.edu, Barry,
> and a German (god, I'm bad with names) that was actively promoting this
> idea some time ago could get together and really make it!
> 

I was the one !

> > The challenge is to provide both the AST-based structural-editing
> > interface and the conventional character-flow interface at the same time.
> 
> So one problem is to think up a good user-interface model. Also, think up
> what are the uses you want to put it to. Eugene seemed to want to go as far
> as complete compilation of the text, is that really feasible?
> 
> Another problem is to keep the AST current with character-level editing.
> Eugene had an idea about propagating the changes "economically", only until
> nodes which experience no change (but aren't char-level changes already at
> the leaf level?) 
> 
> It's probably wise to save the AST between sessions together with the file.
> Unlike Borland's and especially MS's IDEs which seem to be willing to save
> a file for every possible combination of three letters (cpp, obj, h, sbr,
> pch, etc, etc), traditionally emacs has only been saving text, eg font-lock
> info is not being saved. (One of the few emacs packages that saves non-text
> info is KOutliner by Bob Weiner.)

Hmm, I think we should think about persistent objects in general, storing only
text is often not very efficient ins terms of speed and size.

If someone is interested to start implementing a new editor in java, please
send me an e-mail. 

Markus
 

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Subject: Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs
Date: 20 Aug 1996 10:16:58 +0200
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Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:

> I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
> provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
what about the verry nice gdbsrc-mode in xemacs?
it's much better the  gud or gdb mode for source level debugging.
bodo
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Date: 20 Aug 1996 11:23:04 +0200
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Hi,

this is XEmacs 19.14. xemacs.info (said to correspont to 19.13) states:

>    If the variable `find-file-compare-truenames' value is non-`nil',
> the `find-file' command will check the `buffer-file-truename' of all
> visited files when deciding whether a given file is already in a
> buffer, instead of just `buffer-file-name'.  If you attempt to visit
> another file which is a hard-link or symbolic-link to a file that is
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> newly created one.

The bit about hard-links is incorrect, files with the same inode can
be visited twice. The variable description (C-h v) of
'find-file-compare-truenames' is right:

> [...] This works if any component of the pathname (including a non-
> terminal component) is a symbolic link as well, but doesn't work with hard
> links (nothing does).

One could check not only for equal buffer-file-truename but also for
equal buffer-file-number in get-file-buffer to grok hard-links.

	Robbe

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From: Frank Wagner <frank@sazza.ruhr.de>
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Hello,

does someone knows how to include a proxy in "~/w3/profile".
I try now already many different things but i am still unclear about the 
format.
This does not work:
(setq-default url-proxy-services (
HTTP_www.ruhr.de  "http://www.ruhr.de:8080/")


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From: cmalone6@sld024.cpd.ford.com (Craig Maloney)
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Subject: Re: Saving options in Xemacs 19.14
Date: 20 Aug 1996 12:13:55 GMT
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On 8 Aug 1996 01:12:44 GMT in comp.emacs.xemacs Padma Indraganti (padmai@isi.edu) wrote:

: I run Xemacs 19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3. When I change the font size
: and weight and choose "Save Options" in the Options menu, as the 
: manual advises, the options never get changed. The old .emacs file is 
: exactly the same as the new one. NO change in xemacs-options. Am I 
: doing something wrong? how can I save the options?
: Is there a postscript version of the Xemacs manual available for 
: printing? I could not find the answer to this in the FAQ.

: thanks in advance.   
: --Padma

Padma:

I am experiencing the same problem with RedHat 3.0.3 (Kernel 2.0.9) and Xemacs
19.14. It keeps defaulting to that (ugly) courier font. 

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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From: Martin Lorentzon <emwson@emw.ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Save options doesn't honor my font-selection.
Date: 20 Aug 1996 15:59:30 +0200
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The menu entry `Save Options' doesn't honor my font selection. (type,
size or weight.)

When I start up a new XEmacs application, the default font is still
being used, even though I saved another choise of font by choosing
`Save Options' from the appropriate meny.

This is using XEmacs 19.14 on any SunOs.  Everything worked just fine
in 19.13

Bug or feature?

		Martin

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Subject: xemacs-19.14 dumped core (using vm/bbdb on message with long "to:" header)


For what it's worth, here is the configuration and a not very useful stack trace:

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (alpha-dec-osf3.2) of Mon Jul 22 1996 on flume

% gdb /usr/contrib/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (alpha-dec-osf3.2), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...

Error reading symbol table: Bad value

Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libXm.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/contrib/lib/libXpm.so...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/contrib/lib/libz.so.1.0.2...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libXmu.so...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libXt.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libXext.so...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libX11.so...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libdnet_stub.so...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libm.so...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/shlib/libc.so...done.
#0  0x3ff8010ce68 in __kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x3ff8010ce68 in __kill ()
warning: Hit heuristic-fence-post without finding
warning: enclosing function for address 0x12007f768
This warning occurs if you are debugging a function without any symbols
(for example, in a stripped executable).  In that case, you may wish to
increase the size of the search with the `set heuristic-fence-post' command.

Otherwise, you told GDB there was a function where there isn't one, or
(more likely) you have encountered a bug in GDB.

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From: nukl@cg.tuwien.ac.at (Kuno Skach)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: html-mode question
Date: 20 Aug 1996 15:24:13 GMT
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s it possible to turn off the automatic replacement of elements like  to 
&sect; in html-mode? 

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From: fritz@sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Mystery components in mh-e messages
Date: 20 Aug 1996 15:38:05 GMT
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I run mh-e in XEmacs.  I just upgraded to 19.14 (from 19.11) and noticed
a new line showing up in message headers:

  Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

What's this all about?  I don't have any entries like this in my
mh components or replcomps files or anything else like that.

I understand Hyperbole is some kind of hypertext system within XEmacs.
Is this a notice that mh-e can now interpret embedded Hyperbole buttons
within mail messages?

Given that very few people are going to even understand what this means,
let alone actually want to use it, is there some way to suppress the
header line and avoid confusion?

Should I be asking this in

Gary

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From: shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam)
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To: xemacs@xemacs.org
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Subject: [19.14] completion-regexp-list broken? (make-regexp.el)
Summary: completion-regexp-list test logic appears reversed from GNU 19.32
Organization: ARM Limited, Cambridge, England


I tried to use the library "make-regexp" and discoeverd that it tried
to infinitely recurse. I followed it with the debugger and discovered
that the problem appeared to be related to calls to
"(all-completions)" after setting "completion-regexp-list"

AFAICT from the documentation strings (all-completions) returns a list
of strings which match a/all (?) regexp in
competion-regexp-list. However, even just using a one-item list causes
a falldown.

19.14, 19.13 and GNU 19.32 all give different results: the GNU
behaviour is the one that make-regexp expects (no surprises there)
and, incidentally, the one that seems to make sense. :}

I used this form as a test:

(let ((completion-regexp-list '("^.$")))
  (all-completions ""
    (mapcar 'list (list "A" "B" "IMPORT" "EXPORT" "EXTEND"))))

I would expect this to return ("A" "B"). Under 19.1[34] it returns
("IMPORT" "EXPORT" "EXTEND").

Because (all-completions) is built-in (and I don't have sources), I
can't go any further in that direction. However, make-regexp works
fine if you swap around the "^.$" and "^..+$" definitions of
completion-regexp-list.

HTH, and sorry if this is already known :}
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From: John Edl <john.edl@att.com>
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Subject: Building emacs under Solaris 2.x
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:17:48 -0400
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I am trying to build xemacs-19.14 on a Solaris 2.3 machine.
I am using the gnu cc compiler from cygnus and am getting
getting the following error after the compile during 
loading:

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make: *** [src] Error 2

Any suggestions

John Edl
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From: pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande)
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Subject: browse-url.el
Date: 20 Aug 1996 14:41:59 GMT
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Hi,

 I recently read a posting about browse-url.el. I downloaded the file 
browse-url.el and did the following 

M-x set-variable browse-url-browser-function browse-url-netscape

In .emacs I have: 

(autoload 'browse-url-at-point "browse-url"
  "Ask a WWW browser to load the URL at or before point." t)
(autoload 'browse-url-at-mouse "browse-url"
  "Ask a WWW browser to load a URL clicked with the mouse." t)
(autoload 'browse-url-of-buffer "browse-url"
  "Ask a WWW browser to display BUFFER." t)
(autoload 'browse-url-of-file "browse-url"
  "Ask a WWW browser to display FILE." t)
(autoload 'browse-url-of-dired-file "browse-url"
  "In Dired, ask a WWW browser to display the file named on this line." t)


  But whenever I clickon url (or say M-x browse-url-at-mouse), I get some 
error :: wrong type arguement: stringp nil

  I believe that with the above settings the url on which I click should 
be loaded in netscape ??

  What am I doing wrong? Any help will be appreciated.

thanks,

prasad
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I tried to use the library "make-regexp" and discoeverd that it tried
to infinitely recurse. I followed it with the debugger and discovered
that the problem appeared to be related to calls to
"(all-completions)" after setting "completion-regexp-list"

AFAICT from the documentation strings (all-completions) returns a list
of strings which match a/all (?) regexp in
competion-regexp-list. However, even just using a one-item list causes
a falldown.

19.14, 19.13 and GNU 19.32 all give different results: the GNU
behaviour is the one that make-regexp expects (no surprises there)
and, incidentally, the one that seems to make sense. :}

I used this form as a test:

(let ((completion-regexp-list '("^.$")))
  (all-completions ""
    (mapcar 'list (list "A" "B" "IMPORT" "EXPORT" "EXTEND"))))

I would expect this to return ("A" "B"). Under 19.1[34] it returns
("IMPORT" "EXPORT" "EXTEND").

Because (all-completions) is built-in (and I don't have sources), I
can't go any further in that direction. However, make-regexp works
fine if you swap around the "^.$" and "^..+$" definitions of
completion-regexp-list.

HTH, and sorry if this is already known :}
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I was looking through the code in font-lock.el and was
impressed by the formidablity of the regular expresssions.

	1. Where can I find out more about regular expressions?

	2. Are there any packages that make it easier to code
           and decode regular expressions?


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In article <ANDERSON.96Aug19124107@lindy.cs.umass.edu> anderson@lindy.cs.umass.edu (Scott D. Anderson) writes:

> I've been reading this discussion comparing Xemacs and GNU Emacs, and no
> one has mentioned the biggest difference I know of.  The GNU Emacs that
> I've used don't seem to understand X-windows cut and paste, which Xemacs
> does.  This means I can cut/paste from a shell to an emacs and so forth.
> Since no one has mentioned it, there must be a way to make GNU Emacs
> respond to X-windows gestures.  Can someone enlighten me?

I'll follow up my own posting because, thanks to several responses, I've
been able to cut and paste just fine.  I'm still not sure why I wasn't
before, but maybe it was brain damage (mine, not Emacs's).


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Spelman College
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From: Thanassi Protopapas <protopap@scilearn.com>
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Subject: How to kill region delimited by searches?
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Hello everybody.  I couldn't find an answer in info or in the FAQ,
if I've missed the right spot please direct me there!

What I want to do:

To kill text enclosed between two-character sequences, in particular
to kill everything between /* and the following */ (including the /* 
and the */).  I'd like to program this as a macro so I can repeatedly
execute it or write a single command to do this to the entire buffer.

Problem:

Using search to locate the /* and the following */ won't give me an
active region between the two because the second search moves the mark
and I can't figure out how to keep a mark at one search and move the
point to the other.

Thanks for all the help.

Thanassi Protopapas
protopap@scilearn.com

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In article <m24tm1ej3t.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Brian" == Brian R Gaeke <brg@earth.usa.net> writes:
>Brian> [...] when I am running xemacs in a tty (not in an X
>Brian> window), typing C-z spews the 'Stopped' message out at the
>Brian> point (not where I would expect, for instance, at the bottom of
>Brian> the screen), and returning it to the foreground causes xemacs
>Brian> to go out of CBREAK mode (e.g., must type LNEXT C-x LNEXT C-c
>Brian> RET to kill xemacs.)
>I cannot reproduce this from the Linux console & zsh3.0.  What kind of
>terminal do you have, which shell are you using?  What versions of
>the ncurses & termcap libraries do you have?  Does it work correctly
>if you build your own binary?

I am working at a Linux console, kernel ver. 2.0.12, ncurses 1.9.9e,
termcap 2.0.8. My shell is tcsh 6.06, but it also happens from bash
1.14.6.

However, the binary in question is linked against neither of those
libraries. I have not tried to build my own binary, for want of disk
space, but I will give that a try.

-Brian

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In article <prenl7bcbw.fsf@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca> Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca> writes:
> From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca>
> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to use ps-print-region-with-faces (or something like that)
> to print a message in VM? 
> 
> Frederic
> -- 

In VM 5.96 (beta) under XEmacs 19.13 I use the following code in my
~/.vm file:

>>> Included extract from ~/.vm

;; better still use postscript printing
(defun jim-vm-print-message-with-faces (&optional filename)
  "Print the current message to a PostScript printer (or file) with font information"
  (interactive)
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (let* ((msg (car vm-message-pointer))
         (buffer (vm-buffer-of msg))
         (subject-line (vm-get-header-contents msg "Subject:"))
         (from-line (concat "From: " (vm-get-header-contents msg "From:")))
         (ps-left-header (list 'subject-line 'from-line))
         (ps-right-header (list "/pagenumberstring load" 'time-stamp-dd-mon-yy 'time-stamp-hh:mm:ss))
         (ps-header-lines 2)
         (ps-print-header-frame t))
    (set-buffer buffer)
    (ps-print-buffer-with-faces filename)))

(define-key vm-mode-map "p" 'jim-vm-print-message-with-faces)

>>> End of extract

Any use?

        ^Jim
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Subject: Odd non-fatal run-time errors (19.14 on HPUX 9.05)
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I am getting the following problems running 19.14 under HP/UX 9.05:

When doing completion on a directory (before typing a partial name, hitting 
spc at the trailing /):

Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

Trying to do completion on a partial name (typing a few characters that I know
do not uniquely identify, then hitting spc):

Buffer is read only: #<buffer " *Completions*">


The hkey-help-show also crops up on most types of on-line help (save for Info
mode itself).

I also have a problem with font-lonk: when loading a file that should be 
fontified, it says it does it but doesn't really. Or barely does it, and shows
"Most" on the Options->Syntax Highlighting menu. Explicitly choosing "Most"
causes it to be fontified... with the default faces, not with mine. At that
point, re-loading my .emacs file (which gets faces from .xemacs-options) gets
the correct colors. I am about to bind a key to (load-file "~/.emacs") because
of how often I have to do it.

Randy
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Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:

 > I was looking through the code in font-lock.el and was
 > impressed by the formidablity of the regular expresssions.
 > 
 > 	1. Where can I find out more about regular expressions?

The syntax of Emacs' regexps are described in the Info node
"(emacs)Regexps". Since this is a place I visit rather frequently, I
find the following piece of code convenient:

(defun info-regexp-start ()
  "go to the info emacs regexp node."
  (interactive)
  (Info-find-node "emacs" "Regexps"))

(define-key help-map "r" 'info-regexp-start) ; fast entry into regexp node

By putting this in your .emacs, you can just press C-h r whenever you
need to see the regexp info node.

 > 	2. Are there any packages that make it easier to code
 >            and decode regular expressions?

Well, I don't think the above actually qualifies as a "package" ;)

By searching quickly through the LCD, I came up with the following
which might be of interest (I haven't tested any of this):

	  GNU Emacs Lisp Code Directory Apropos -- "regexp"
"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

all (0.0)	      09-Aug-1994
     Per Abrahamsen, <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
     ~/misc/all.el.Z
     Edit all lines matching a given regexp
make-regexp (1.02)    11-Jul-1995
     Simon Marshall, <simon@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
     ~/functions/make-regexp.el.gz
     Generate efficient regexps to match strings.
re-isearch	      18-Feb-1988
     K. Manheimer, <klm@cme-durer.arpa>
     Isearch w/regexp toggle.
search-completions (1.04)
		      01-April-1994
     Radey Shouman, <rshouman@chpc.utexas.edu>
     ~/misc/search-completions.el.Z
     Use isearch to select a completion, narrow completions with regexps.
tinyff.el (1.5)	      03-Nov-1994
     Jari Aalto, <tre@tele.nokia.fi>
     ~/misc/tinyff.el.Z
     Regexp find file utility
tinyff (1.11)	      03-Nov-1994
     Jari Aalto, <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
     ~/misc/tinyff.el.Z
     Regexp find file utility
yank-match	      20-May-1993
     Karl Fogel, <kfogel@cs.oberlin.edu>
     ~/misc/yank-match.el.Z
     Yanks match(es) for REGEXP from kill-ring
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There is one thing in the beautiful html-mode (psgml-mode) that I
would like to see changed. When I write html-files that have ISO
8859-1 (Latin-1) characters in them, they get replaced as entity names
in the saved files.

For example  (an a with two dots on it, small a dieresis or umlaut
mark) becomes '&auml;'. I guess that is how rfc1866 likes to see it
done but could it be made an option not default?

What I have done so far is to comment out one line in the file
psgm-html.el that says '(require 'iso-sgml)' and byte compile the file
again.

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>>>>> "Thanassi" == Thanassi Protopapas <protopap@scilearn.com> writes:

Thanassi> Hello everybody.  I couldn't find an answer in info or in
Thanassi> the FAQ, if I've missed the right spot please direct me
Thanassi> there!

Thanassi> What I want to do:

Thanassi> To kill text enclosed between two-character sequences, in
Thanassi> particular to kill everything between /* and the following
Thanassi> */ (including the /* and the */).  I'd like to program this
Thanassi> as a macro so I can repeatedly execute it or write a single
Thanassi> command to do this to the entire buffer.

Thanassi> Problem:

Thanassi> Using search to locate the /* and the following */ won't
Thanassi> give me an active region between the two because the second
Thanassi> search moves the mark and I can't figure out how to keep a
Thanassi> mark at one search and move the point to the other.

Try this:

(defun kill-delimited (&optional start end)
  "Kill a text string delimited by start and end."
  (interactive)
  (when (null start)
    (setq start "/*"))
  (when (null end)
    (setq end "*/"))
  (let ((posn (point)))
    (save-excursion
      (let (s e)
	(when (search-forward start nil t)
	  (setq s (match-beginning 0))
	  (when (search-forward end nil t)
	    (setq e (point))
	    (kill-region s e)
	    (setq posn (point))))))
    (goto-char posn)))

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: SJ> There is a big difference between -O2 and -O6 -mpentium.
: 
: But not so much of a difference between -O3 and -O6 on a Sparc.  XEmacs

Actually I thought that (for GCC) anything above -O3 was just -O3. O3 is
maximum optimization (which is -O2) with inlined functions.

Dunno about other compilers.

Tristan

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> >>>>> "PB" == Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu> writes:
> 
>     Peter> Hi.  It would be wonderful if someone could answer this,
>     Peter> even to say "I don't think that's doable."
>     >> 
>     Peter> I would really, really like to be able to click on a URL in
>     Peter> mh-e mode and have it launch w3 (like Gnus does).

Or try looking at the ffap package, especially ffap-url and
browse-url.el.  It gives you
an extended find-file command that can send urls off to netscape as
well as lots of other good stuff.

;; X-Latest: ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu:/pub/mic/emacs/

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    Hi,

    I primary code in Emacs, but I have been trying to convert my
    packages to work with XEmacs too. I know how to use popups
    in Emacs, but would someone in this group tell me how
    I should use them in XE.

    Please send also direct mail if possible. This is what I tried:

This won't work, as i noticed the call won't block as it does in
Emacs:

    (setq ret (popup-menu '("we" "A" "B" "C" )))

So, I tried using this from menubar.el

    (setq ret (get-popup-menu-response '("we" "A" "B" "C" )))

It blocked nicely but the return value is nil. What's going on here?
If I added this, and clicked outside of the menu, the following is
returned ok.

	(if (misc-user-event-p ret)
	    (setq ret (event-object  ret)))

    ret --> 'menu-no-selection-hook

Thank you in advance.
/jari
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Hi,

    I am using Kevin Broadey's (kevinB@bartley.demon.co.uk) c-outline
mode and find it extremely useful.  However it seems to be incompatible
with outl-mouse-minor-mode that comes standard with XEmacs. Glyphs do
appear but in the wrong places and are unusable. Has anyone else had
success using these two packages together?

    On a related note, foldout.el that comes with XEmacs refuses to load
and quits with the error message "invalid keysym ...". Commenting out
the offending part which binds mouse buttons solves the problem. I am
running XEmacs 19.14 on UnixWare 2.1, if that's any help. 

- Ganesan.

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Hi,

    I have a two button mouse and my X Server (on UnixWare 2.1) does not
support transparent emulation of the third button by pressing both 
simultaneously. Is there any way I can get this behavior with some lisp
code? Thanks.

- Ganesan.


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I have two NNTP servers (server1 and server2) and I am interested in
newsgroup1 from server1 and newsgroup2 from server2.

I created two foreign folders (with 'B') called:

nntp+server1:newsgroup1
nntp+server2:newsgroup2

reading news is ok, but when I try to post something I get:

Couldn't send message via news: 441 No such newsgroup as "(null)"

if I set gnus-select-method to:

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "server1")) 

then I can post to newsgroup1, but not to newsgroup2. Setting
gnus-secondary-select-methods does not help

How can I post to both newsgroups?

I'm using XEmacs 19.14

thanks,
josem


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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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Subject: Extending delbackspace.el to perl-mode does not work
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Xemacs 19.14 running under Solaris 2.4 and olvwm
-- 
My intent is to have the BackSpace and Del key act as follows:
	BackSpace: 'backward-delete-char
	Del:	   'delete-char
To do this, I used in by .emacs
	(load-library "delbackspace.el")
This works as expected for C and C++ mode. It does not work for
perl-mode of course, because delbackspace.el does not define bindings
for perl-mode. Therefore, I looked at the code of delbackspace.el and
added to my .emacs the following lines:

(defvar perl-mode-map ()
  "Keymap used in Perl mode.")
(if perl-mode-map
    ()
  (setq perl-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
(define-key perl-mode-map 'delete 'delete-char)
(define-key perl-mode-map delbackspace-backspace 'backward-delete-char-untabify)
(define-key perl-mode-map [(symbol backspace)] 'backward-kill-sexp)
(define-key perl-mode-map [(meta backspace)] 'backward-kill-word)      
(define-key perl-mode-map [(meta delete)] 'kill-word)  
(define-key perl-mode-map [(symbol delete)] 'kill-sexp)  

Still, BackSpace was bound to 'delete-char instead of 'backward-delete-char. I then
added 

(define-key perl-mode-map [backspace] 'backward-delete-char)

but this did not help either. Please could someone explain to me how to define
perl-mode-map so that my BackSpace key works as intended? Of course, I could
drop delbackspace.el and do a global key assignment, such as

   (global-set-key [delete] 'delete-char)
   (global-set-key [backspace] 'backward-delete-char)
	
but I would like to retain the ability to redefine the behaviour for some modes
(note that delbackspace.el does a global-unset-key, so it would remove my 
key definitions anyway).

Any help highly appreciated!

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no>
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Subject: Re: PSGML mode, small suggestion
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>>>>> Heikki Vatiainen <hessu@house.cs.tut.fi>:

> There is one thing in the beautiful html-mode (psgml-mode) that I
> would like to see changed. When I write html-files that have ISO
> 8859-1 (Latin-1) characters in them, they get replaced as entity names
> in the saved files.

> For example  (an a with two dots on it, small a dieresis or umlaut
> mark) becomes '&auml;'. I guess that is how rfc1866 likes to see it
> done but could it be made an option not default?

> What I have done so far is to comment out one line in the file
> psgm-html.el that says '(require 'iso-sgml)' and byte compile the file
> again.

Umm... what version of psgml, are you running?  And where did the file
psgml-html.el come from?


- Steinar

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What version of X11 does Xemacs 19.14 support? I've tryed compiling with
sunos4.1.3 and sunos 4.1.4 with X11R6 and in the middle of the compile
it complains about not finding -lXaw.

Also, I just upgraded to Xemacs19.14 on my sunos4.1.3 with X11R5 system
and when I try to post a usenet article I get an error of having an
incorrectly configured system. I've never had this error before
upgrading XEmacs versions. Where do I need to look to configure things
correctly?

Thanks,

Sean

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I've noticed that xemacs-19.14 gets into a state where it
continually displays the message 
"Scanning buffer...(100%) done"

I believe this message comes from the fume facility.

I have to restart to get out of this state.
Any suggestions?

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From: "Tal Ovadia,,,~" <tovadia@uunet.uu.net>
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HI,
-- 
When I am running xemacs  on UW2.01 the first time I try it doesnt
do anything, The second time it goes up and crashes and the third time
it goes up O.K. with no error messeges. Does anyone have any idea?

                            Tal Ovadia


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From: jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu (Joe Novosel)
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I would like to be able to use xemacs to develop lisp code with gnu common
lisp, but I can't get 'run-lisp' to work.  

Any help would be apprecialted.


--
					
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From: Dick van den Burg <burg@burg.is.ge.com>
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This has been answered before:
Use the Solaris ld in stead of the gcc one.

Success ... Dick

John Edl <john.edl@att.com> writes:
> 
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in


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Gregor Karl Frey <gregor.karl.frey@sap-ag.de> writes:

> 
> During linking the Xemacs on HP-UX 10.01 I get the following	
> error: Can't find library for -lAlib
> And indeed there isnt such a lib. But what is it needed for
> and how can i configure to work arround?	
> Bye
> Gregor Frey

I just went through this exercise on HPUX-10.20 ... here's what I
found, thanks to the help of many people:

1) The configure script needs help. HP's ansi-cc apparently does not
   like empty header files. There are three places where 'ac_compile' 
   is defined in the script. replace each of them with:
 ac_compile='echo >>confdefs.h; ${CC-cc} $CFLAGS $LDFLAGS conftest.${ac_ext} -o conftest $LIBS'

2) The method used to get an archive linked executable didn't work, But
   I didn't want that anyway, so I didn't fix it. Do a:
  "./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux10shr" to configure for shared libraries.

3) The libcurses that comes with most HPUX-10's has a nasty bug in the
   select() subroutine that _it_ defines. I don't know why curses needs
   it's own select, but it's select ends up superceding the good one in 
   libc. There are a couple of ways to fix this:
    A) If you have a "/usr/lib/libHcurses.sl" , then edit "src/Makefile"
       to ask for "-lHcurses" rather than "-lcurses". This seems to work,
       though I've not rigorously tested it. That is what I'm using right
       now.
    B) Statically link libc in, by editing "src/Makefile" and adding the
       definition for GNULIB_VAR as in:
       GNULIB_VAR = /usr/lib/libc.a
    C) Find any of the publicly available curses libs and use them.

4) The audio library is only available as a shared lib (as far as I
   can tell). So if you want to statically link, you need to configure
   with no audio.

I'm no expert in these things, and not connected with any of the
computer divisions, so please don't take this as gospel.  It's only
meant to relate what worked for me.


  Mike Ferrara M/S 4USS
  HP Microwave Instruments Div R&D
  1400 Fountain Grove Pkwy
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johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson) writes:

> 
> Richard Cognot  <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the problem was with lib[x]curses redefining a buggy select() call.
> > PHCO_808 available from HP corrects this. Get it from
>   ^^^^^^^^
> > http://www.support.mayfield.hp.com
> 
> That patch number should read PHCO_8086.
> 
> ------------
> Phil Johnson
> Hewlett-Packard Company
> Palo Alto, California

If I'm not mistaken, PHCO_8086 does not allow itself to be applied
to a 10.20 system. In order to get xemacs or gnu-emacs to work on
a 10.20 system, you need to link with libHcurses, or statically link
in libc.a  I don't understand the differences between libxcurses and
libHcurses, but it *seems* to work ok here.


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From: James Gillespie <jim.gillespie@sbil.co.uk>
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gse@ocsystems.com (Scott Evans) writes:

> 
> Just got back from out of town, but I don't think anyone has responded
> to this (oldish) thread.
> 
    Oops, me too :-)

> >> Another useful vi command I miss is . (dot -- repeat last command).  I'm
> >> sure someone has found an analogue. There is a dot-mode function, but it
> >> is undocumented, so thTs line in my .emacs file doesn't help:  (autoload
> >> 'dot-mode "dot-mode" nil t)
> 
> Dot-mode is pretty cool.
> 
    Assuming you're talking about the dot-mode I wrote, thank you.  To
the original author: you'll need the dot-mode.el file somewhere in
your load path; it's not bundled with (X)Emacs so it won't be there
unless someone has put it there.

    I tried to get dot-mode into the elisp archive but failed
miserably; if anyone has pointers for this I'd be grateful to hear
them.  I can post the source (<8k) to comp.emacs.sources if there's
demand (and if I can get authorisation from my boss).

> I have it set up as such in my .emacs file:
>
> ;; Enable dot-mode; there's probably a more appropriate hook to use
> ;; for this.
> (require 'dot-mode)
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks '(lambda () (dot-mode t)))
>
    Seems like it should work :-)
 
> Then C-. will repeat the last bunch of commands you did.  Very vi-ish.
> 
    C-M-. forces dot-mode to remember the following command, whatever
it is.  I don't use it much.

                Jim

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: PSGML mode, small suggestion
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>>>>> "Heikki" =3D=3D Heikki Vatiainen <hessu@house.cs.tut.fi> writes:

Heikki> There is one thing in the beautiful html-mode (psgml-mode)
Heikki> that I would like to see changed. When I write html-files that
Heikki> have ISO 8859-1 (Latin-1) characters in them, they get
Heikki> replaced as entity names in the saved files.

Heikki> For example =E4 (an a with two dots on it, small a dieresis or
Heikki> umlaut mark) becomes '&auml;'. I guess that is how rfc1866
Heikki> likes to see it done but could it be made an option not
Heikki> default?

Heikki> What I have done so far is to comment out one line in the file
Heikki> psgm-html.el that says '(require 'iso-sgml)' and byte compile the f=
ile
Heikki> again.

Hmm.  That's a feature, and I added the extended Latin-1
characters to iso-sgml.el for 19.15.  A better way to turn it off is
to execute this after iso-sgml.el is loaded.

(remove-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fix-sgml2iso)
(remove-hook 'write-file-hooks 'fix-iso2sgml)
(remove-hook 'after-save-hook 'fix-sgml2iso)

Because it is the right thing to do, it'll still be the default, but I
can add a flag to make it easier to turn off.
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From: Anthony Rossini <rossini@urn.math.sc.edu>
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Subject: (X)Emacs, Lit Prog, and multiple editing modes
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Hello - 
        I was wondering if there was any Web/literate programming 
        modes for XEmacs (Emacs will do... :-) which support multiple 
        minor modes for the different chunks of code (I'm thinking of 
        nuweb or noweb). 
 
        I.e. As a statistician, I'd like to be able to specify the 
        documentation in latex/tex using AUC-TeX, but could have up to
        
        4-5 different types of code for the components of the program 
        or data analysis (i.e:  similar to nuweb (noweb?): 
 
------------- Start web file here ---------------------- 
 
Documentation in TeX/LaTeX (I'm not picky --but at this point, the 
mode will be some kind of (La)TeX-mode. 
 
<chunk-stuff>= 
## mode will be S-mode, for Splus, an interactive statistical language
## 
## I'd like to be able to submit the following into an inferior-S 
## process, which S-mode will allow 
Splus stuff 1 
<other chunk of Splus code> 
Splus stuff 2 
## local-variables: 
## mode: S-mode 
## end; 
<end chunk-stuff> 
 
Documentation in TeX/LaTeX (I'm not picky --but at this point, the 
mode will be some kind of (La)TeX-mode.  This would be for the C code 
below, probably called by the Splus code above as a dynamically loaded

function. 
 
<chunk-2-stuff>= 
/* mode will be cc-mode in this area */ 
C stuff 
/* local-variables: 
   mode: cc-mode 
   end; 
<end chunk-2-stuff> 
 
Further documentation for the C code, leading to the SAS code below, 
which might be used to analyze the results from the Splus function 2 
code chunks above. 
 
<chunk-o-sas>= 
; and sas-mode will be run when the cursor is in this stage 
sas code to set up data set and prepare for 
<reusable sas code chunk> 
print out sas stuff 
; local-variables 
; mode: sas-mode 
; end; 
<end chunk-o-sas> 
 
Last bit of documentation, describing the whole mess. 
 
---------------- end web file example ----------- 
 
Now, I could do this by breaking up the code into many web documents, 
but it isn't clear to me that I gain, since continuity is somewhat 
lost.   I'm very happy with cc-mode, sas-mode, and S-mode, but want to

run them as minor modes in the same text-file.  
 
Local variables are not quite local enough -- any thoughts as to a 
"more-local" API that might work?  Does such a beast exist?   
 
The current set up for the nuweb (noweb?) mode that I've seen/used, 
will allow for one mode for the text/documentation chunks (ala LaTeX 
mode) and one mode for the code chunks (ala cc-mode, OR sas-mode, OR 
S-mode, but not a nice mixture of all three).   
 
Or am I dreaming that I can specify minor/major modes at whim at
semi-random places within a text file?

Could these somehow be specified as part of an font extent? 
(i.e. "font-lock" sort of stuff, but specifying the "depreciated major

-> minor" mode for a section of code, based on some form of 
"super-localized" variables ?) (gosh, you'd think that as a former 
collector for the XEmacs FAQ, I'd know the terminology better). 
 
Any pointers to where I should start looking in the code for XEmacs,
in the documentation, or other suggestions, would be very useful and
appreciated.
 
thanks, 
-tony 

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>>>>> "Sean" == Sean J Anaya <sanaya@VRL.com> writes:

Sean> What version of X11 does Xemacs 19.14 support? I've tryed compiling with
Sean> sunos4.1.3 and sunos 4.1.4 with X11R6 and in the middle of the compile
Sean> it complains about not finding -lXaw.

libXaw is the Athena Widgets, and have been a standard part of X11 for
about a decade.

Try the configure option:
	--with-dialogs=motif
or 
	--with-dialogs=no
if you don't have Motif.

(And be sure the Scrollbars and Menubar is defaulting to `Lucid'.

Sean> Also, I just upgraded to Xemacs19.14 on my sunos4.1.3 with X11R5
Sean> system and when I try to post a usenet article I get an error of
Sean> having an incorrectly configured system. I've never had this
Sean> error before upgrading XEmacs versions. Where do I need to look
Sean> to configure things correctly?

If this is the Gnus problem `.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me',
you need to do something like
(setq user-mail-address "sanaya@VRL.com")
or
(setq mail-host-address "VRL.com")
as per the directions in the FAQ.
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From: Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com>
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Subject: VM - HOW to view receiver of mail
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greetings all,

i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
the output more meaningfull???

does anyone know???

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There has been a lot of talk lately about writing an extensible, emacs-like 
editor in Java. Here is my contribution to this thread so far: an interface
(actually a virtual class) to the underlying buffer mechanism for the editor. 
Since I have been picturing it as a syntax-aware editor, this buffer mechanism 
is called a SyntaxTree. It is by no means complete, but I think that it 
represents a reasonably solid foundation that we can build on top of.

I have a pretty good idea how to implement this, but before I dive in I would 
like to hear any suggestions or comments about the design.  Maybe someone with 
a fresh point of view can add a spin to it that I didn't think of, or point 
out a troublesome flaw. 

Please don't suggest features now that could be easily implemented in terms of 
the given methods: such features can be added later. What I am interested in 
now is anything that CANNOT be done (efficiently) with the primitives I 
provide here.

This file can also be fetched from http://www.cs.umb.edu/~eugene/eva.java
my email address is eugene@cs.umb.edu

-Eugene

/***************************************************

  class SyntaxTree:

  This virtual class describes an abstract syntax
  tree. These trees are sequences of child nodes, where each
  child is itself a syntax tree that has it's own children,
  and so on, until we reach a point where we arrive at
  a SyntaxTree that only has one child, which is itself.
  Such a SyntaxTree is called a "token", or a leaf of the
  syntax tree.

  Every SyntaxTree can also be viewed as a sequence of
  zero or more symbols, which more or less corrispond to
  letters on a printed page.  Symbols are referenced by
  "points", which are numbered locations "in between" the
  symbols.

  There is always a point zero in any SyntaxTree, which
  is the point to the left of the leftmost symbol, or a
  point next to nothing when there are no symbols to be
  next to. Point zero "does not count" as a normal point,
  so when we talk about a SyntaxTree containing five points,
  there are actually six, numbered from zero to five.

  SyntaxTrees that have child nodes inherit points from
  their children. thus A SyntaxTree with two child nodes,
  each with five points, has a total of ten points. The
  third point in such a tree corrisponds to the third
  point in the first node, and the sixth corrisponds to
  the first point in the second node. The fifth point is
  special: it corrisponds to BOTH the fifth (last) point
  of the first node AND the zero (first) point of the
  second node.
  
  Some points in a SyntaxTree have the special property
  of being a "line" or a "page", which mark the end of a
  line or page respectively. A page marker always has
  a corrisponding line marker, since the end of a page is
  also the end of the last line on a page.

  as with normal points, parent SyntaxTrees inherit
  knowledge of the numbers and locations of the lines and
  pages within their children. SyntaxTrees also know the
  number and locations of tokens they contain.

  SyntaxTrees are first-class objects: that is to say,
  they are static and immutable. You can decompose a
  SyntaxTree into it's component parts, and reassemble
  those parts into different trees, but the original
  tree always remains unchanged. This makes keeping
  "undo" information easier, and leaves open the
  possibility of someday having a source-control
  repository for multiple versions of SyntaxTrees
  that share common structures, saving disk space.
  
****************************************************/
virtual class SyntaxTree {

  boolean isToken();

  long points();
  long tokens();
  long nodes();
  long lines();
  long pages();
  /* determine the number of points, tokens, nodes,
     lines, or pages in this SyntaxTree. Point zero
     does not count as a point for this purpose.
  */

  long pointAtToken(long token);
  long pointAtNode(long node);
  long pointAtLine(long line);
  long pointAtPage(long page);
  /* get point at (the end of) a numbered token, node,
     line, or page. Numbering starts at one: they
     all return point zero given an argument of zero.
  */

  long tokenAtPoint(long token);  
  long nodeAtPoint(long point);
  long lineAtPoint(long point);  
  long pageAtPoint(long point);
  /* get the number of the token, node, line, etc
     that a given point lies inside of. If the point
     lies exactly between two tokens, nodes, etc, this
     returns the number of the item to the left
     (or zero, if the point is at zero)
  */

  SyntaxTree node(long node);
  /* get numbered child node */
  
  SyntaxTree select(long begin, long end)
    throws SyntaxError;
  SyntaxTree delete(long begin, long end)
    throws SyntaxError;
  SyntaxTree replace(long begin, long end, SyntaxTree val)
    throws SyntaxError;
  SyntaxTree replace(long begin, long end, String s)
    throws SyntaxError;
  /* these are advanced editing features,
     that select, delete, or replace what is between
     two points. Their exact meaning and behavior are
     determined by the types of the trees involved, and may
     throw errors. On success, they return the
     selected tree, or the tree that has the region
     deleted or replaced. As pointed out elsewhere,
     none of these methods alter the original
     SyntaxTree.
     Most editing features will devolve to these
     functions. For instance, a keystroke that inserts
     a character might ultimately replace() a
     zero-length region with a string containing the character.
  */
    
  Boolean isBlank(long begin, long end)
  /* this function determines if the symbol or
     symbols between the two points are "blank".
     it is up to the SyntaxTree in question to
     decide what "blank" means.
  */
     
  int width(long begin, long end);
  int height(long begin, long end);
  /* These methods return the total width and the
     maximum height of a sequence of symbols
     between two points, in preperation of
     rendering a line of text.
     This function ignores any lines or pages
     in the region: it is the caller's
     responsibility to find the
     metrics of seperate lines of text.
  */

  paint(long begin, long end,
        int x, int y,
        int width, int height,
        Graphics g);
  /* paint a a sequence of symbols within a
     rectangle. If the width and hight given do not
     match the result of width() and height(),
     the SyntaxTree will try to scale the output
     appropriately, if possible.
     As in metrics, it is the caller's
     responsibility to honor lines and pages.
  */

  long length();
  /* length of SyntaxTree when converted to text stream */
  
  InputStream toStream()
    throws SyntaxError;
  /* read SyntaxTree as an InputStream */
}

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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Ferrara <mikef@rtfm.sr.hp.com> writes:

    Mike> johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson) writes:
    >>  Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> wrote:
    >> 
    >> > Actually, the problem was with lib[x]curses redefining a
    >> buggy select() call.  > PHCO_808 available from HP corrects
    >> this. Get it from ^^^^^^^^ > http://www.support.mayfield.hp.com
    >> 
    >> That patch number should read PHCO_8086.

Hmmm. My fingers slipped a bit...

    Mike> If I'm not mistaken, PHCO_8086 does not allow itself to be
    Mike> applied to a 10.20 system. In order to get xemacs or
    Mike> gnu-emacs to work on a 10.20 system, you need to link with
    Mike> libHcurses, or statically link in libc.a I don't understand
    Mike> the differences between libxcurses and libHcurses, but it
    Mike> *seems* to work ok here.

You mean 10.20 is still shipped with this bug?

Shame on HP...

Actually, my xemacs is linked with libtermcap instead of libxcurses,
and that apparently works as well. Could somebody have a final word
about which lib is best used as a replacement?

Richard.

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I am unable to specify any optimization (--cflags='-O') when compiling
Xemacs 19.14 on my HP 10.10 system using the HP C/ANSI C Developer's
Toolkit.  After it compiles for a while I get an error about running out
of memory... well, it is a K400 server with one Gig or RAM, so that's
not really the case.  The system administrator monitored one of these
compiles to find out that it did not run out of memory, swap space or
temp space.  Any ideas?

Also, I am accustomed to using Xemacs 19.13 and gcc to compile and debug
my C programs.  In that version, you can click on an error in the
*compilation* buffer and it will open the file and take you to the error
automaticly.  Now I am using 19.14 and the HP C compiler and it does not
automaticly take to to the right file. Instead it prompts me for the
file name.  Does anyone know how to get rid of this prompt?

Thanks!!!

Darren

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From: Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
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Subject: Make My Day
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MAKE MY DAY!

I've noticed that the OOBR fails to find member function definitions
in the following C++ source file.

I've tracked it down to  "c++-scan-features" in br-c++-ft.el

I place point at the beginning of each function definition and then
execute 

M-x eval-expression <Ret>
(looking-at c++-routine-def)

THE FOLLOWING ROUTINES ALL COME BACK nil

FunctionFile* FunctionSelector::select(const char* hdr,unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionSelector::select(const char* hdr,FunctionFile* funcs[],int* nselected,int
maxselections,unsigned long fieldmask)
void FunctionFamily::clear( )
int FunctionFamily::select(const char* hdr,unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::write(unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::archive(unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::remove(unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::remove(const char* hdr,unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::read(const char* instname)
int FunctionFamily::get_functions(FunctionFile* functions[],int nfuncs)
int FunctionFamily::read_live_functions( )  
int FunctionFamily::get_live_functions(FunctionFile* functions[],int nfuncs)
int FunctionFamily::load( )
int FunctionFamily::matches_accelerator_state( )
int FunctionFamily::become_live( )
void FunctionFamily::set_instance_name(const char* instname)
int FunctionFamily::edit_instance_name(const char* prmpt)
int FunctionFamily::set_functions(FunctionFile* functions[],int nfuncs, int
delete_replaced_function)
int FunctionFamily::set_function(FunctionFile* func,int index, int delete_replaced_function)
int FunctionFamily::is_edited( )
int FunctionFamily::exists( )
ParamFile* FunctionFamily::addparameters(const char* groupnam)
ParamFile* FunctionFamily::parameters( )
TextString FunctionFamily::description(unsigned long fieldmask)
int FunctionFamily::has_inconsistent_functions(int inconsistency_list[])

THE FOLLOWING ROUTINES HOWEVER COME BACK t

FunctionFamily::FunctionFamily(datafile_process_t proc,
                               const char* paramname,
                               const char* funcnames[],int nfuncs,
                               datafile_use_t duse,initial_state_t state,unsigned long
fieldmask,
                               long tstart,long tstop,datafile_sort_t srt)
           : FunctionSelector(proc,funcnames[0],duse,state,fieldmask,tstart,tstop,srt)

FunctionFamily::FunctionFamily(datafile_process_t proc,const char* funcnames[],int nfuncs,
                               datafile_use_t duse,initial_state_t state,unsigned long
fieldmask,
                               long tstart,long tstop,datafile_sort_t srt)
           : FunctionSelector(proc,funcnames[0],duse,state,fieldmask,tstart,tstop,srt)

FunctionFamily::FunctionFamily(datafile_process_t proc,const char* paramname,
                               const char* funcnames[],int nfuncs,
                               FileSelector& selector) : FunctionSelector(selector)

FunctionFamily::FunctionFamily(datafile_process_t proc,const char* funcnames[],int nfuncs,
                               FileSelector& selector) : FunctionSelector(selector)

FunctionFamily::~FunctionFamily( )

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In article <1996Aug20.130110@tremere.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>, rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:
> I am getting the following problems running 19.14 under HP/UX 9.05:
> 
> When doing completion on a directory (before typing a partial name, hitting 
> spc at the trailing /):
> 
> Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

This was fixed by installing and configuring in Hyperbole.

> Trying to do completion on a partial name (typing a few characters that I know
> do not uniquely identify, then hitting spc):
> 
> Buffer is read only: #<buffer " *Completions*">

This still happens, despite the addition of Hyperbole.

> I also have a problem with font-lonk: when loading a file that should be 
> fontified, it says it does it but doesn't really. Or barely does it, and shows
> "Most" on the Options->Syntax Highlighting menu. Explicitly choosing "Most"
> causes it to be fontified... with the default faces, not with mine. At that
> point, re-loading my .emacs file (which gets faces from .xemacs-options) gets
> the correct colors. I am about to bind a key to (load-file "~/.emacs") because
> of how often I have to do it.

This is still occuring.

Randy
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In article <DwI4AH.5DE@world.std.com>, Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> wrote:
>There has been a lot of talk lately about writing an extensible, emacs-like 
>editor in Java. Here is my contribution to this thread so far: an interface
>(actually a virtual class)

There is no such thing as a virtual class in Java.  You mean abstract class.

>What I am interested in now is anything that CANNOT be done
>(efficiently) with the primitives I provide here.

The question is (if we're talking about machine efficiency) whether
*anything* can be done efficiently with the primitives you provide.
Since there is no implementation, we cannot tell, but you have
certainly not made it easy for yourself ...

It is difficult to over-emphasise that it is critical to keep
use of machine resources (time and space) withing reason in a
toolkit.  Using a single SyntaxTree node per character in a file
is probably unacceptable.  Using a SyntaxTree node per *displayed*
character is clearly acceptable.  It may be reasonable to calculate
SyntaxTree nodes on demand (as they are viewed), and leave the rest
of the file in raw form until needed.  But this is not easy.

I recommend that anyone planning a package to represent hierarcical
text should study existing toolkits.  I would start with XEmacs;
Fresco (which is unfortunately poorly documented); and the
Tcl Text widget.  It may also be useful to see how structured text
(e.g. HTML) is mapped into Emacs data structures in emacs W3 mode.
Likewise with the data structures used by the Grail/Python browser.

As you might have gathered, I am not a believer in a pure top-down
design.  Designing an interface is not easy, but it should not
be down without at least thinking about the data structures and
efficiency issues.
-- 
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Cygnus Support     bothner@cygnus.com

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>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:

Joe> I would like to be able to use xemacs to develop lisp code with
Joe> gnu common lisp, but I can't get 'run-lisp' to work.

Joe> Any help would be apprecialted.

(require 'ilisp)
(setq gcl-program "gcl")
M-x gcl

works for me.

If you really want to use run-lisp, then something like
(require 'inf-lisp)
(setq inferior-lisp-program "gcl")
M-x run-lisp

works for me as well.

What kind of error messages are you getting?
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I know I can start a tty session and attach to an already running
XEmacs session with gnuattach, but how do create a new frame on a
different X display that is attached to an already running XEmacs?  I
think somebody someone in a recent posting said this could be done.

Thanks,

jim

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Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:

> >> On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:48:23 GMT, redhouse@netcom.com (Carter
> >> Sanders) said:
> 
>     CS> This my current situation - I've been using XEmacs at work and
>     CS> liking it, but the last few releases have gotten too big and
>     CS> slow in my opinion.  I really hate when an editor can't keep
>     CS> up with my keystrokes.  XEmacs seems to have a particularly
>     CS> hard time with large files.
> 
>     CS> So I compiled GNUEmacs 19.33.  It is much faster.
> 
> Indeed. I'd been waiting for XEmacs 19.14, but when I tried it, I could
> not live with its slowness and memory consumption.
>
> I don't really need the feature that XEmacs adds: pixmaps in buffers, and
> pictures on buttons etc.. The only thing I wanted that for was to be able
> to run w3 (WEB browser) in Emacs, but w3 doesn't even do tables or frames
> so it's unfit for WEB browsing anyway.

  Volunteering?

-Bill P.

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Best Regards
Ramu.


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Hi,
I want emacs to automatically indent the line in c/c++ after the completion of a line with semi colon instead of pressing a tab after completion of a line to indent it.

ie 
if () {
print();
}
This is the present state.

I want it as
if () {
	print();
}
AFter entering the semi colon the line should have auto indentation. 

Thanks & Best Regards
Ramu.


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How to activate the auto indentaion feature in c/c++
Best Regards
Ramu.


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jaalto@uta.fi (Jari Aalto) writes:

>     Hi,
> 
>     I primary code in Emacs, but I have been trying to convert my
>     packages to work with XEmacs too. I know how to use popups
>     in Emacs, but would someone in this group tell me how
>     I should use them in XE.
> 
>     Please send also direct mail if possible. This is what I tried:
> 
> This won't work, as i noticed the call won't block as it does in
> Emacs:
> 
>     (setq ret (popup-menu '("we" "A" "B" "C" )))
> 
> So, I tried using this from menubar.el
> 
>     (setq ret (get-popup-menu-response '("we" "A" "B" "C" )))

One possible way is:

(event-object (get-popup-menu-response '("we" ["A" a t] ["B" b t] ["C" c t] )))

-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
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j> I know I can start a tty session and attach to an already running
j> XEmacs session with gnuattach, but how do create a new frame on a
j> different X display that is attached to an already running XEmacs?

M-x make-frame-on-display

	<b

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SLB> I don't know.  Fast lock works by saving the font lock information to
SLB> a separate file.  This technique can lose in a variety of ways.

BAW> Hmm, I haven't had any problems with fast-lock for at least a couple
BAW> of XEmacs releases.  And it really only gets in the act when you
BAW> visit a file and kill its buffer.  Other than that, it's out of the
BAW> loop.

BAW> Since fast-lock saves the face cache data in a separate file, along
BAW> with a timestamp, you can always edit your files outside of XEmacs.
BAW> Next time you visit the file, it notices that the cache is out of
BAW> data and you just pay the penalty you normally pay (let font-lock
BAW> refontify the buffer as usual).  I haven't had any problems with the
BAW> cache getting hosed.

I almost responded to the original post, but I suppose I should have.

If fast-lock.el ever uses a cache that has become out-of-date, then it is
a bug.  If fast-lock.el ever does not use a cache that is not out-of-date,
then it is a bug, though less serious, or there is some feature lacking.

Unfortunately, the latter can happen when you use source control software,
e.g., if you check in and check out a file.  Maybe if Steven can explain
how fast-lock.el loses, I will see if I can fix it.

Simon.

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**
===========================[First of two bug reports]=========================
**
emacs-version reports
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on b
-------------------------------[Shell Log]------------------------------------
rlogin as super-user on a machine running SunOS 5.5.1

bash# cd /etc/dt/config/C/
bash# ls
RCS             sys.dtwmrc      sys.resources
bash# ls RCS
sys.dtwmrc,v    sys.resources,v
bash# rcs -V
RCS version 5.7
bash# /local/all/xemacs -q
--------------------------------[Description]---------------------------------
#<keypress-event control-X>#<keypress-event control-F>sys.dtwmrc
The mode line reads
--%%-XEmacs: sys.dtwmrc       (Fundamental RCS:1.4)----Top----------

#<keypress-event control-X>#<keypress-event control-Q>
Then either
	The mini-buffer asks
	Revert buffer from file /etc/dt/config/C/sys.dtwmrc? (yes or no)
	I answer yes
or 
	The mini-buffer shows
	Checking out /etc/dt/config/C/sys.dtwmrc...done
In either case, the mode line still reads
--%%-XEmacs: sys.dtwmrc       (Fundamental RCS:1.4)----Top----------

I hit return and the minibuffer reports
Buffer is read-only: #<buffer "sys.dtwmrc">
------------------------[An example dribble file]-----------------------------
#<keypress-event control-X>#<keypress-event control-F>sys.dtwmrc
#<keypress-event control-X>#<keypress-event control-Q>
#<keypress-event control-X>#<keypress-event control-C>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Using GNU Emacs 19.33.1 I do not experience this problem.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**
===========================[Second of two bug reports]========================
**
XEmacs seems to be calling the mode functions multiple times, while
GNU Emacs only calls them once.  Sorry this report is fuzzier, but
basically what I am doing is including in my .emacs
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun my-secret-batch-mode ()
; Major mode which executes the commands in the current file
; They do not offer this in the default because it is such a security hole
; but what the heck, security through obscurity should work for me here.
;;
;; Note that under XEmacs, this function is called repeatedly,
;; I think this is a bug in XEmacs.  I would set a local variable,
;; but lisp-interaction-mode will first clear all the local variables...
;; that is the price for being so lazy in my mode definition.
;;
  (interactive)
  (eval-current-buffer)
  (lisp-interaction-mode))
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then I visit a file such as

;-*-Mode: my-secret-batch;-*-

(or (boundp 'bv-all-batch-once)
    (progn
      (setq bv-all-batch-once t)

	do stuff here.....
      )
)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Under GNU Emacs I did not need to use the (or (boundp...)) wrapper
for (do stuff here....) to be executed once and only once.

I know, the XEmacs info docs say *-mode should be idempotent, but who
wants to waste cycles running the same code multiple times.  So I figured you
might not be aware that you were calling the functions multiple times.
=============================================================================
Bill Voss <voss@cs.uiuc.edu>

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Subject: [Q]: f-keys in abbrevs?
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I am customizing AucTeX abbrevs and menus and I'd like to let f-keys to
work within abbrevs: i.e., pressing `f1,..., `f12 should produce user-defined
effects.
I have tried with the following element in the LaTeX-math-list
(?(f1) "string" "submenu")

and a few variants (?[f1] ...) and similar, but none worked.
How does one specify the key-press f1, ..., f12 ?

Thank you.

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
badii @ psi.ch


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Hi,

    I am looking at some C code and want to add my annotations to
it. (The files themselves are not writable). Is there a Elisp package to
handle this? I found annotations.el in XEmacs ~/lisp/utils directory but
can't figure out how to use it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

- Ganesan.

--
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From: Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com>
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>> On 20 Aug 1996 10:16:58 +0200, Bodo Teichmann <tmn@iis.fhg.de>
>> said:

    BT> Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:
    >> I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
    >> provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
    BT> what about the verry nice gdbsrc-mode in xemacs?
    BT> it's much better the  gud or gdb mode for source level debugging.
    BT> bodo

Hmmm. What is better about it?

Note: I don't like toolbar-buttons with pictures. I only want text.
In fact I don't want toolbar buttons at all. If I need a reminder for
keybindings, pulldown menus will do fine (and take up less space on
the screen).

-- 
Peter Mutsaers      Lucent Technologies, Network Systems
plm@lucent.com      Huizen, the Netherlands

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From: Jacek Pliszka <Jacek.Pliszka@cern.ch>
Subject: How to start latex-mode.el for all *.tex files ?
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I am using XEmacs 19.14 and LaTeX2e.
Standard tex-mode.el didn't recognize
\documentclass and selects plain-tex-mode.
The same  with multifile documents.

I managed with it by editing tex-mode.el file.
But it is not elegant and I cannot do it everywhere.

What is the proper way to set latex-mode for
all *.tex files in my own ~/.emacs ?

Regards,

Jacek Pliszka

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Aug 22 05:52:48 1996
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Forget my previous posting,
I've solved it through :

(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.tex\\'" . latex-mode)
                            auto-mode-alist))

It's working, but It would be much nicer
to have old .tex assingment removed.
Unfortunately I do not know Lisp
and I didn't find function like
"remove element matching regexp"
so I do not know how to do it.

Regards,

Jacek Pliszka

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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How to start latex-mode.el for all *.tex files ?
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 10:48 22/08/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Forget my previous posting,
>I've solved it through :
>
>(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.tex\\'" . latex-mode)
>                            auto-mode-alist))
>
>It's working, but It would be much nicer
>to have old .tex assingment removed.
>Unfortunately I do not know Lisp
>and I didn't find function like
>"remove element matching regexp"
>so I do not know how to do it.

Here's my trick to keep auto-mode-alist clean :

;;; Function to control the auto-mode-alist by adding modes or fixing in situ
(defun djh-fix-auto-mode-alist (new-auto-mode)
  (or (member new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
      (let ((existing-auto-mode (assoc (car new-auto-mode) auto-mode-alist)))
        (if existing-auto-mode
            (setcar (member existing-auto-mode auto-mode-alist) new-auto-mode)
          (setq auto-mode-alist (cons new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist))))))

;;; Examples of use

;;; single change
(djh-fix-auto-mode-alist '("\\.tex\\'" . latex-mode))

;;; multiple changes
(mapcar 'djh-fix-auto-mode-alist '(("\\.c$"     . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.h$"     . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.C$"     . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.H$"     . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.cc$"    . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.cxx\\'" . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.cpp\\'" . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.rh\\'"  . c++-mode)
                                   ("\\.m$"     . objc-mode)
                                   ("\\.pas\\'" . pascal-mode)
                                   ("\\.txt\\'" . fundamental-mode)))
                    ,,,
                   (@-@)
  +----------oOO----(_)-----------------+
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  |         Tel: +44 1223 585613        |
  |        dhughes@origin-at.co.uk      |
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From: Klaus Schniedergers <eedksc@eed.ericsson.se>
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Mon Jul 22 1996 on teamos3

Hello, I'm using Gnus5.2.38 on the above listed XEmacs, and I'm
experiencing a strange behaviour when connecting to a slow
server. Larsi (author of ding) recommended to try open-network-stream
directly, which always led to: "connection failed: operation in
progress, news, nntpd" after 5 seconds. Telnetting to that server
normally needs longer than those 5 seconds for a connect. This message
was also with a freshly started xemacs.

He said that there was a bug in 19.13 causing this. It's not only me
experiencing this in 19.14, but also another guy in the states, using
a different server. This all happens on Solaris2.4 and 2.5.

Do you have a clue or hint?

Klaus

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

19.14 Lucid


> 
> <robert@elastica.com> writes:
> 
> > Hi, I evaled the form
> > 
> >  (open-network-stream "nntpd" (current-buffer) "SERVER-NAME" "nntp")
> > 
> > and get 
> > 
> > connection failed: operation in progress, news, nntpd
> 
> There was a bug in XEmacs 19.13 that would lead to this result quite
> often.  What Emacs version are you using?
> 
> -- 
>   "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
>      would have to wait until some other time."
> 
> 

-- 
Art is protistution of the mind.


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Hi !

When trying to browse the web I get the following error message:

Unknown host "www.cs.indiana.edu"

How can I change it to a host of my choice ?

Regards,

Gran
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Hi,

I prefer to use auc-tex-mode with 'lucida'-font, but e.g. prolog-mode
with a non-proportional font such as 'lucidatypewriter' (to allow for
alignment of columns).

Can such a mode-specific font-selection be hooked somehow into the
specific modes?




-- 
Bertram Lud"ascher		  ludaesch@informatik.uni-freiburg.de

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Hi,

  I've a few problems with xemacs and it's key-handling.
Knowing the difference between emacs-19.33 and xemacs-19.14, I've read a lot
info and source coming with xemacs ... so I've had no problem to convert my
term files for TERM=linux and TERM=xterm to xemacs-lisp (I'm using my own
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has also for that ttys ...).
Now I've a real problem to get the mapping under x11 on work.
I want map the key `backspace' to the symbol `backspace' where the
symbol should have the action delete-backward-char or
backward-delete-char-untabify or backward-delete-char or scroll-down.
Therfore I'm using the statement:

(if (not (eq 'x (console-type)))
      nil
  (put 'backspace 'ascii-character 127)
)

... no problem.

Ok, and now the problem:
How I get the key `delete' mapped on the symbol `delete' on the
action delete-char. The statement:

(if (not (eq 'x (console-type)))
      nil
  (put 'backspace 'ascii-character 127)
  (global-set-key   [delete]   'delete-char)
)

does not work. Some variations of the above statement also
not work ... it seems that the key `delete' is hard coded
on the symbol `delete' (under TERM=linux and TERM=xterm
the key 'delete' gives `\033[3~' which I'm mapped on
`[deletechar]' running `delete-char').  On GNU-emacs only
the second line is necessary to map the symbol `[delete]'
on the action `delete-char'.

Note: the system is set up to avoid BackSpace/Delete problems
on any Console including xterm, under X11, _and_ Motif.
(e.g. : /usr/lib/X11/Xmodmap, /etc/inputrc, /etc/skel/.exrc,
        /etc/skel/.lessrc, /etc/csh.cshrc, /etc/termcap,
        /usr/lib/terminfo/x/xterm, /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm,
        ..., /usr/share/emacs/19.3{1,2,3}/site-lisp/term/*.el)



Any ideas ... comments .... hints

   Werner

PS: I'm not subscribed on the list ... therfore mail-reply would
    be nice.


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From: olav@jordforsk.nlh.no (Hans Olav Eggestad)
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I want to have a directory for my mail, and folders for different categories.
As a start i put (defvar vm-folder-directory "VmMail" "*....") 
in my .vm, but describe variable tells me that the value of this variable is nil.
Is this the right format? (I know nothing about lisp).
Second, i suspect the vm does not read my .vm file (i've put other thigs there
to change the behaviour, but with no effect). How can i check that this
file is read (echo or something like that?), and if it's not, how can i make it do
that?

The next question, how do i write the regexp strings to match header values
(to make different categories of mail go to different folders)?

Thanx

Hans.Olav.Eggestad@jordforsk.nlh.no



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Hi everyone,

I tried doind a spell check recently.  I was reminded that I still hadn't 
gotten ispell 3.1 to replace whatever version it is that is causing 
xemacs-19.14 grief.

I downloaded ispell 3.1.20 onto my Solaris 2.5 station and can't get it to 
make.  Has anyone else had this problem?  If so, were you able to get around
it somehow?  I would really appreciate any sort of help on this one.

Thanks in advance,

Bidemi Temidire
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I'm having a bit of trouble with this variable.  I have two buffers
and I want to use a different tags table for each one What I have for
tag-table-alist is this :-

(setq tag-table-alist '((connected-env . connected-env-tags)
			(father-path . father-env-tags-path)
			("/home/some-work-path/"
. "/home/some-work-path/tags/"))) Where variables are defind for
connected and father paths What I want is
	
If the file is in connected-path/some-file-name use connected-env-tags
If the file is in father-path/some-file-name use father-env-tags-path
If the file is in /home/some-work-path/some-file-name use /home/some-work-path/tags/

What seems to be happening is that connected-env-tags and
/home/dhs3CPU/ws/ssi_a10/tags/ are both being read but then
connected-env-tags is being used even if I am in a buffer
/home/some-work-path/some-file-name

What am I doing wrong ?
Oh yeh XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5
TIA Ian

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I am unable to resize my XEmacs so that it occupies the 
full screen of my HP Workstation, but another member of 
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I'd also like to get an xterm (and no longer a hpterm)
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Any suggestions?

Ph. Matagne
Beckman Institute

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In article <3212BE9E.2DA4@kone.com>, Sami Rantala <Sami.Rantala@kone.com>
                <4up6iv$bom@news.liberty.com> <Dw2zt0.r1@world.std.com> <86ybjiuwno.fsf@demon.net> wrote:
>        Wasn't there Eva named editor in VAX/VMS? 

I think it was Eve .    

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From: Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com>
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Hi,

The title says it all. I am looking for a one-shot command to move one
message from one folder to another. I don't want to file to the second
floder and remove it from the first one.

Thanks,

Chabane

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cias@ernie.icslab.agh.edu.pl (Przemek Cias) writes:

> 
> In article <3212BE9E.2DA4@kone.com>, Sami Rantala <Sami.Rantala@kone.com>
>                 <4up6iv$bom@news.liberty.com> <Dw2zt0.r1@world.std.com> <86ybjiuwno.fsf@demon.net> wrote:
> >        Wasn't there Eva named editor in VAX/VMS? 
> 
> I think it was Eve .    

EVE was originally the Extensible VAX Editor and later renamed as the
Extensible Versitile Editor. It is the deault editor in recent VMS
releases and it is written in the TPU (Text Processing Utility)
language which has suspicious conceptual similarity to Emacs. But its
language is not LISP like. Closer to Pascal.

I use the TPU-EDT mode as my normal mode in both XEmacs and Emacs.
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Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com> writes:

> i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
> outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
> each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
> the output more meaningfull???

This isn't currently possible in Gnus.  It's on the todo list, though.

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I'd like to internationalize the menu items of XEmacs. As specified in
the 'current-menubar' variable documentation, a clean way is to use
the X resource files. The problem is that I don't know what names
should be used to make the things work.

When trying to find out something in the XEmacs sources, I've found 
in the 'src/README' file a comment about  a
'lib-src/make-msgfile.l'. Unfortunately, the  current distribution seems
to lack this file.
Any idea ?

Thanks for any help.

Thierry FUHS

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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: VM - HOW to view receiver of mail
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus
In-Reply-To: <x6n2znpkee.fsf@eyesore.no>
References: <x2pwwysaa8e.fsf@amoco.com>
	<x6n2znpkee.fsf@eyesore.no>

I believe the question dealt with VM and not GNUS.

You set the unteresting senders to any variation of your own e-mail
address (I'm a bit overzealous on this one I guess) and then set the
uninteresting senders arro to point to the field you would like to
display instead (TO: in this case)

Here's how:

(setq
  vm-summary-uninteresting-senders
  "cmcmahan.*Teknowledge\\.COM\\|cmcmahan@.*teknowledge\\|^cmcmahan$\\|cmcmahan.*"

  vm-summary-uninteresting-senders-arrow "To: "
)


Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
 > Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com> writes:
 > 
 > > i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
 > > outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
 > > each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
 > > the output more meaningfull???
 > 
 > This isn't currently possible in Gnus.  It's on the todo list, though.
 > 
 > -- 
 >   "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
 >      would have to wait until some other time."

-- 
===========================================================
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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
To: olav@nlh10.nlh.no
CC: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: vm, vm-folder-directory
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I have the following in my .vm to do just that

;;; To set up the directories into which vm will write
(setq
 vm-primary-inbox                "~/mbox"
 vm-folder-directory             "~/Mail/"
 vm-crash-box                    "~/Mail/CRASH"
 mail-archive-file-name          "~/Mail/SENT"
)

;; set the default folder to which messages should be save by evaluating the
;; message header
(setq vm-auto-folder-alist
      '(
	 ("TO"	
	  ("xemacs"    . "xemacs")
	  ("ntemacs"   . "NTEmacs")
	  ("emp@Tek"   . "TekStuff")
	  ("webmaster" . "webmaster")
	  ("www"       . "WWW-stuff"))

	 ("FROM"	
	  ("cnet.com"  . "cnet")
	  ("WinNews"   . "winnews"))

	 ("CC"	
	  ("eXceed"    . "eXceed")
	  ("xemacs"    . "xemacs")
	  ("ntemacs"   . "NTEmacs"))

	 ("SUBJECT"	
	  ("fm rep"    . "weekly_reports")
	  ("Forum"     . "forum")
	  ("WinNews"   . "winnews")
	  ("WWW com"   . "webmaster")
	  ("weekly"    . "weekly_reports"))
	 )
      )

Hans Olav Eggestad writes:
 > I want to have a directory for my mail, and folders for different categories.
 > As a start i put (defvar vm-folder-directory "VmMail" "*....") 
 > in my .vm, but describe variable tells me that the value of this variable is nil.
 > Is this the right format? (I know nothing about lisp).
 > Second, i suspect the vm does not read my .vm file (i've put other thigs there
 > to change the behaviour, but with no effect). How can i check that this
 > file is read (echo or something like that?), and if it's not, how can i make it do
 > that?
 > 
 > The next question, how do i write the regexp strings to match header values
 > (to make different categories of mail go to different folders)?
 > 
 > Thanx
 > 
 > Hans.Olav.Eggestad@jordforsk.nlh.no
 > 
 > 


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===========================================================
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>>What I am interested in now is anything that CANNOT be done
>>(efficiently) with the primitives I provide here.
>
>The question is (if we're talking about machine efficiency) whether
>*anything* can be done efficiently with the primitives you provide.
>Since there is no implementation, we cannot tell, but you have
>certainly not made it easy for yourself ...

If I wanted to write something easy, I would write yet another scrolling 
marquee applet. I want something meatier to chew on.

>It is difficult to over-emphasise that it is critical to keep
>use of machine resources (time and space) withing reason in a
>toolkit.  Using a single SyntaxTree node per character in a file
>is probably unacceptable.  Using a SyntaxTree node per *displayed*
>character is clearly acceptable.  It may be reasonable to calculate
>SyntaxTree nodes on demand (as they are viewed), and leave the rest
>of the file in raw form until needed.  But this is not easy.

If you had studied my work more carefully before trivializing it, you would
notice that it doesn't require a seperate SyntaxTree for every character.
Instead, it has the concept of "points" in the SyntaxTree, which are
basically locations in between characters.  Points are long-integer offsets, 
not objects in and of themselves, and can easily refer to locations in a nice, 
compact character array. 

 A SyntaxTree can contain an arbitrary number of points: In the simplest case, 
you only need a single, monolithic SyntaxTree to represent an entire buffer 
full of text. Thus a SyntaxTree can represent, but is not limited to 
representing, a conventional, flat character-buffer.

I have actually put quite a bit of thought into matters of efficiency. Most 
operations work on whole ranges of characters at a time: for instance, 

width = myTree.width(startPoint, endPoint);

finds the graphic width of an entire range of text, instead of forcing the 
programmer to add up the widths of each character by hand. 
If a particular SyntaxTree displays text in a fixed-width font, it can 
increase efficiency further by returning the width of a single character 
multiplied by the number of characters selected. Other such optimizations can 
occur at the implementation level, taking advantage of assumptions in that 
implementation, without restricting the power of the abstract class as a 
whole to, say, using fixed-width fonts. Thus SyntaxTrees can be both 
efficient, and flexible.

I considered keeping the text in raw form, and dynamically parsing it as 
needed as you suggest. It is the obvious approach when implementing syntax 
trees inside an existing editor, like emacs, that already has an established 
way of dealing with text. However, since I was writing this from the ground 
up, I have complete freedom to represent the text in any way I see fit. I 
chose the path less travelled by, and hope to discover something different at 
the end of it.

>As you might have gathered, I am not a believer in a pure top-down
>design.  Designing an interface is not easy, but it should not
>be down without at least thinking about the data structures and
>efficiency issues.

You assume I haven't? Thanks a whole bunch. Actually, I have a pretty good 
idea how to implement it, and have written some code towards that goal, and I 
have written things like it before, but I didn't want to confuse people with 
implementation details at this early stage in the game. What I want to know 
is, ASSUMING it can be implemented, would you use it? Are there any features 
it glaringly lacks? The source code in question is available at:

http://www.cs.umb.edu/~eugene/eva.java

-Eugene

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From: "Chris G. Walter" <cgw@apl.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Grammer checker - ispell
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:49:26 -0700
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I have MUCH enjoyed using xemacs in conjunction with ispell
and auctex... they work very well.

I have occasional need for a "grammer checker".
I know these checkers are not bullet-proof, but do
serve a purpose.

Does anyone know of a unix version of such a grammer checker.
Better yet, does some sort of interface with xemacs exist?


-- 
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	I seem to be having problems compiling xemacs 19.14 for
SunOS 4.1.3_U1.
	Originally, I ran the configure program with only the --prefix
option, but the make died on glyphs-x.c. I then ran the configure 
program specifying --with-xpm=no as xpm seemed to be what the make 
had problems with in glyphs-x.c. xemacs compiled but when I try
to run it, I get Fatal error (11). and to report the crash.
	Does anyone know what might be wrong?

					Thanks,

					Phil
					ptanner@sw.stratus.com

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Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com> writes:

> 
> greetings all,
> 
> i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
> outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
> each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
> the output more meaningfull???
> 
> does anyone know???


add this to your .vm:

;; this will keep my address from showing up in the summary of sent mail

(setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))


rock on,

- -pjf


- -- 
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From: kellyt@west.llnl.gov (Kelly G. Thompson)
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Subject: Anyone having problems with f90-mode on XEmacs?
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I'm having some trouble with the f90-mode (T.Einarsson 4/18/96) in
XEmacs (19.14).  Occasionally, when I hit tab (f90-indent-line) on a
subroutine that is already at the fill-column (meaning f90-mode tries
to fill-paragraph) this causes XEmacs to crash with the following
error: 

Fatal error: assertion failed, file eval.c, line 1428, abort()

Has anyone else seen this behavior?  I have contacted the author and
he hadn't seen this.  He sent me another version of f90.el, but I'm
still having the same problems.

Any advice or help would be appreciated.  Thanks

kt

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Kelly Thompson
   e-mail:  kellyt@west.llnl.gov
   URL: http://www-nuen.tamu.edu/~kt/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: tynor@atlanta.twr.com (Steve Tynor)
Subject: 19.14 font metrics changed?!
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XEmacs 19.14 seems to make characters _wider_ than they were in 19.13
and earlier. This results in the frame needing to be quite a bit wider
than before (about 2 inches wider for an 80-column frame!).

I'm using the "fixed" font as my default font. Edit-Faces shows the
font as simply "fixed".  This is set via my .emacs: 

	(set-face-font 'default "fixed")
	(set-face-font 'modeline "fixed")

Could it be that XEmacs is displaying my fixed font, but still using
metrics for the default Courier font?

XEmacs 19.14 compiled on each of: SunOS 4.1.3, HPUX 9.05 Linux 1.2.13,
Solaris 2.4, AIX 4.1.3 and displaying on a Solaris 2.4 Openwindows
server. 

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Internationalization
Date: 22 Aug 1996 12:24:28 -0700
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"thierry.fuhs" <fuhs@ensae.fr> writes:

> I'd like to internationalize the menu items of XEmacs. As specified in
> the 'current-menubar' variable documentation, a clean way is to use
> the X resource files. The problem is that I don't know what names
> should be used to make the things work.

Try adding these resources to ~/Emacs, and if that works, add more
resources:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.help.labelString: Hilfe

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I'm new to xemacs and I'm having a problem that is not adressed in the FAQ or
online help.  I previously used "jot", an SGI editor, which had a great search
feature: to search for a string, one merely highlighted it with the mouse and
then hit "alt-f", which would jump to the next occurrence of the string (the
search could be repeated using alt-f again).  Is there a similar feature in
xemacs?  I've tried highlighting the text and then "C-s RET" and then pasting
the text into the command buffer, but this is a bit of a pain to repeat.  Any
ideas?

Also, when using cc-mode version 4.282, is there a way to make xemacs recognize
one's own data types so that they can be fontified under syntax highlighting?
 Say I declare a struct l, then I want a declaration like "struct l k;" to
properly fontify the struct l portion.

I'm running Lucid XEmacs version 19.14.  Many thanks for any help that you can
give,

Joel Shapiro


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From: Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu>
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Subject: Re: New Frame on different display
Date: 22 Aug 1996 12:43:35 -0700
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jims@broadcom.com (Jim Searle) writes:

> 
> 
> I know I can start a tty session and attach to an already running
> XEmacs session with gnuattach, but how do create a new frame on a
> different X display that is attached to an already running XEmacs?  I
> think somebody someone in a recent posting said this could be done.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> jim

I use this little shell script:

--start--
#!/bin/sh

if [ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]
then
        echo "Need a display"
        exit
fi

echo "Starting xemacs frame on $DISPLAY"

gnudoit "(make-frame-on-display \"$DISPLAY\")"
--finish--

Seems to work, but you gotta have the DISPLAY variable set. 

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Subject: Re: How to start latex-mode.el for all *.tex files ?
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Jacek Pliszka <Jacek.Pliszka@cern.ch> writes:

> 
> I am using XEmacs 19.14 and LaTeX2e.
> Standard tex-mode.el didn't recognize
> \documentclass and selects plain-tex-mode.
> The same  with multifile documents.
> 
> I managed with it by editing tex-mode.el file.
> But it is not elegant and I cannot do it everywhere.
> 
> What is the proper way to set latex-mode for
> all *.tex files in my own ~/.emacs ?

There is an FAQ about this: the answer is that the TeX-modes of XEmacs
and GNU Emacs are insufficient for all but the most basic work. You
should get and install AucTeX. You can get it from any CTAN host
(try finger ctan@ftp.dante.de for a list of them) in the directory
tex-archive/support/auctex, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps
support/emacs, but I doubt it.

Getting the default mode with Emacs and particularly XEmacs to work
usefully is a waste of time, in comparison. AucTeX is vastly
superior. Try it.

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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Marshall <Simon.Marshall@esrin.esa.it> writes:

SLB> I don't know.  Fast lock works by saving the font lock
SLB> information to a separate file.  This technique can lose in a
SLB> variety of ways.

BAW> Hmm, I haven't had any problems with fast-lock for at least a couple
BAW> of XEmacs releases.

Simon> Maybe if Steven can explain how fast-lock.el loses, I will see
Simon> if I can fix it.

Actually, Barry helped me resolve my differences (all with
customization options to set) with fast-lock, and I'm using it now.

The only lossage I'm currently experiencing is with psgml mode.  The
construct:
<A HREF="...">text</A>
is correctly colored when typed in manually (`text' gets colored red).
The construct:
<A HREF="...">
text</A>
is not correctly colored (`text' is not colored) when typed in
manually, but when the entire file is font-locked (as in
font-lock-fontify-buffer) it gets colored correctly.

Fast lock fails to get either case correct.

To narrow it down to a sequence:
C-x C-f gnus-faq.html
M-x font-lock-fontify-buffer
M-x fast-lock-save-cache
C-x k
C-x C-f gnus-faq.html
(All of the red text is gone.  I am using the font-lock customization
from sample.emacs).
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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Marshall <Simon.Marshall@esrin.esa.it> writes:

Simon> Maybe if Steven can explain how fast-lock.el loses, I will see
Simon> if I can fix it.

Easily fixed as it turns out.  There are some font-lock faces that
fast-lock doesn't know about:

--- fast-lock.el.orig	Tue Jan 30 20:20:03 1996
+++ fast-lock.el	Thu Aug 22 14:36:35 1996
@@ -224,6 +224,7 @@
   (if (save-match-data (string-match "XEmacs" (emacs-version)))
       '(font-lock-string-face font-lock-doc-string-face font-lock-type-face
 	font-lock-function-name-face font-lock-comment-face
+	font-lock-reference-face font-lock-variable-name-face
 	font-lock-keyword-face font-lock-preprocessor-face)
     ;; For Emacs 19.30 I don't think this is generally necessary.
     nil)

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See if this might help:

(setq ange-ftp-skip-msgs
        (concat "^227 Entering Passive \\|"
                 ange-ftp-skip-msgs))

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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Subject: Re: Indentation in c/C++
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>>>>> "Ramu" ==   <ramu@dadsparc24.ti.com> writes:

    Ramu> Hi, I want emacs to automatically indent the line in c/c++
    Ramu> after the completion of a line with semi colon instead of
    Ramu> pressing a tab after completion of a line to indent it.

See question #4 in the Frequently Asked Questions node of the cc-mode
manual.

-Barry

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From: jp@lucy.coronacorp.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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I just switched to Xemacs 19.14 this week but it crashes fairly frequently.  
I can't pin down for sure when it happens but if happens fairly often
under two cirumstances.  In both circumstances I start Xemacs from the
command line with:
 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 -q -l /home/lucy/jp/.emacs -geometry 81x47 &

from my system:
  SunOS lucy 5.5 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-5

One instance is if I load in a fairly long c file.  While its scanning for 
the func-menu package I get the following in the xterm that I started from:

libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 14219 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0

If I try to drop down the Function menu after loading, Xemacs crashes and I 
get the following in my xterm:

_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process


This also happens if I try to run VM immediatly after starting Xemacs.  It
doesn't seem to be a problem if I don't have any mail, but if VM finds new
mail when its starting I get the same output as described above.  Xemacs
crashes right after I send a message.

If anyone has any ideas I'll be glad to try em.

Thanks,
--jp

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

Joel> I previously used "jot", an SGI editor, which had a great search
Joel> feature: to search for a string, one merely highlighted it with
Joel> the mouse and then hit "alt-f", which would jump to the next
Joel> occurrence of the string (the search could be repeated using
Joel> alt-f again).  Is there a similar feature in xemacs?

Not that I'm aware of, but this is XEmacs -- if it doesn't do what you
want, rewire it ...

Try this out and see if does what you want (you must have
zmacs-regions enabled, as they are by default, for this to work
properly).

(defun shapiro-search (&optional arg)
  "Search for next occurrence of selected text."
  (interactive "_")
  (when (and (region-exists-p)
	     (search-forward (buffer-substring (region-beginning)
					       (region-end))))
      (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
      (push-mark)
      (goto-char (match-end 0))
      (zmacs-activate-region)))


NB:  If you make your selections backwards, you will have to hit
whatever key you assigned this to, twice.
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In article <199608221426.RAA01177@merlin.ornet.co.il>,
ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:
> The problem I have is that fvwm hides the vertical sub-menu displayed
> by XEmacs, just after it is opened.. Any hints how to solve this?

I assume you're using auto raise.  Set it to use a larger timeout.  In
fvwm2 or fvwm2-95, modify the FvwmAuto entry in your InitFunction to
do this.

AddToFunc "InitFunction"    "I" Exec xsetroot -solid cyan4 &
#+                          "I" Module FvwmBanner
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+                           "I" Module FvwmAuto 500

500 works fine for me.

-Sudish

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Philippe Matagne <matagne@ceg.uiuc.edu> writes:

> 
> I am unable to resize my XEmacs so that it occupies the 
> full screen of my HP Workstation, but another member of 
> my research group CAN do this. I even copied his .emacs.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Ph. Matagne
> Beckman Institute


This is not an XEmacs problem.  You'll probably notice that you can't
resize any of the windows to full screen.  The HP VUE window manager
is "helping" you by keeping you from making windows so big they cover
the VUE toolbar at the bottom of the screen.   

To override this, set the maximumMaximumSize resource larger.

In your .Xdefaults file, add the following line:

 Vuewm*maximumMaximumSize: 1280x1024

and then restart the window manager.

-- 
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(corrected/updated version of previous deleted post)

Xemacs-19.14 built and installed without a whisper.
 
When I try to start Xemacs however (even with -q option) I get the
following:
 
Wrong type argument :stringp, nil
 
 
"describe-last-error" gives me:
 
Wrong number of argumants: #<compiled-function (from "help.elc") "...
 
Configured with:
./configure --cflags=-O --with-sparcworks
 
Well, I'm lost.  Any insights appreciated.
 
Env. SS10/51 tcsh sol2.5
 
Andy


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>>>>> "R" ==   <ramu@dadsparc24.ti.com> writes:

R> I want emacs to automatically indent the line in c/c++ after the
R> completion of a line with semi colon instead of pressing a tab
R> after completion of a line to indent it.

Hiya!

I have

(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  ;; I like auto-newline but I don't like hungry-delete
  (c-toggle-auto-state +1)
  (c-toggle-hungry-state -1)
  )
     
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

in my .emacs file which does just what you want.


Have a nice day!
Michael
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Hi,

I updated my AIX to 4.2 and xemacs to powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0/xemacs.
Now xemacs leaves defuncts after compile (M-x compile), like this,

root 18988 38440 4             0:00 <defunct>
root 38440 12326 0 09:48:09 -  0:10 /usr/local/bin/powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0/xemacs 

It's not matter what is compile command even echo $$ leaves <defunct>
Previos versions xemacs in AIX 3.2.5 didn't zombie's.
Yes, defunct's are not dangerous but anyway ...


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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: 19.14 -- C-h generates error constantly
Reply-To: jari.aalto@ntc.nokia.com

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


    If I use command C-h f in empty *scratch* (lisp-mode) buffer
    I get following error message. The C-h f generates often error in other
    situations as well.

Signalling: (error "Unbalanced parentheses")
  scan-lists(1 -1 1)
  up-list(-1)
  backward-up-list(1)
  byte-code("e`Z]d}!up!9!+" [1000 backward-up-list 1 nil obj read fboundp] 4)
  function-called-at-point()
  (let* ((fn ...) (val ...)) (list (if ... fn ...)))
)
  call-interactively(describe-function)

    Cheers!
    /jari

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Subject: Re: Error on startup 19.14
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gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor) writes:

> 
> (corrected/updated version of previous deleted post)
> 
> Xemacs-19.14 built and installed without a whisper.
>  
> When I try to start Xemacs however (even with -q option) I get the
> following:
>  
> Wrong type argument :stringp, nil

Make sure your $PATH has no leading, consecutive, or trailing `:'
characters.  Fixed in 19.15.

> "describe-last-error" gives me:
>  
> Wrong number of argumants: #<compiled-function (from "help.elc") "...

Fixed in 19.15.  Here's a patch:


*** /tmp/geta1796	Fri Aug 23 01:27:58 1996
--- cmdloop.el	Fri Aug 23 01:06:24 1996
***************
*** 134,141 ****
    "Redisplay the last error-message.  See the variable `last-error'."
    (interactive)
    (with-displaying-help-buffer
!     (princ "Last error was:\n" standard-output)
!     (display-error last-error standard-output)))
  
  
  ;;#### Must be done later in the loadup sequence
--- 134,142 ----
    "Redisplay the last error-message.  See the variable `last-error'."
    (interactive)
    (with-displaying-help-buffer
!    (lambda ()
!      (princ "Last error was:\n" standard-output)
!      (display-error last-error standard-output))))
  
  
  ;;#### Must be done later in the loadup sequence

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In article <x6n2znpkee.fsf@eyesore.no> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no> writes:
> Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com> writes:
> 
> > i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
> > outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
> > each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
> > the output more meaningfull???
> 
> This isn't currently possible in Gnus.  It's on the todo list, though.
> 

It is possible in VM though. Put the following line in your ~/.vm

  (setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))

Cheers,
        ^Jim
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:
> 
> Joel> I previously used "jot", an SGI editor, which had a great search
> Joel> feature: to search for a string, one merely highlighted it with
> Joel> the mouse and then hit "alt-f", which would jump to the next
> Joel> occurrence of the string (the search could be repeated using
> Joel> alt-f again).  Is there a similar feature in xemacs?
> 
> Not that I'm aware of, but this is XEmacs -- if it doesn't do what you
> want, rewire it ...
> 
> Try this out and see if does what you want (you must have
> zmacs-regions enabled, as they are by default, for this to work
> properly).
> 
> (defun shapiro-search (&optional arg)
>   "Search for next occurrence of selected text."
>   (interactive "_")
>   (when (and (region-exists-p)
> 	     (search-forward (buffer-substring (region-beginning)
> 					       (region-end))))
>       (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
>       (push-mark)
>       (goto-char (match-end 0))
>       (zmacs-activate-region)))

Standard in XEmacs:

ow-find
  Command: Search forward the next occurrence of the text of the selection.
ow-find-backward
  Command: Search backward the previous occurrence of the text of the selection.

If SGI had the market share Sun has, ow-find might have been called jot-find.
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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> "thierry.fuhs" <fuhs@ensae.fr> writes:
> 
> > I'd like to internationalize the menu items of XEmacs. As specified in
> > the 'current-menubar' variable documentation, a clean way is to use
> > the X resource files. The problem is that I don't know what names
> > should be used to make the things work.
> 
> Try adding these resources to ~/Emacs, and if that works, add more
> resources:
> 
> Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
> Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
> Emacs*XlwMenu.help.labelString: Hilfe
> 

Thanks a lot. Your solution works fine for any single word. 
However, I don't succeed in translating  groups of words. 

I'd like also to extend the translation to dialog boxes, but the similar solution

Emacs*Dialog.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*Dialog.cancel.labelString: Annuler

doesn't seem to work.

Is there any precise doc about the whole stuff? 


P.S : Sorry, I can only read news but not post them, so no follow-up is possible.


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Bertram Ludaescher <ludaesch@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> writes:

> I prefer to use auc-tex-mode with 'lucida'-font, but e.g. prolog-mode
> with a non-proportional font such as 'lucidatypewriter' (to allow for
> alignment of columns).
> 
> Can such a mode-specific font-selection be hooked somehow into the
> specific modes?
> 

Try

(add-hook 'prolog-mode-hook
		  (function (lambda ()
		      (set-face-font 'default
	"-*-lucidatypwriter-medium-r-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1" 
		(current-buffer)))))


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0 Steven_Kuzmeski x6697 B-060  <kuzmessp@pweh.com> writes:

>In Xemacs-19.14, when I perform a list-buffer (C-x C-b), it splits
>the window.  I then select a buffer using mouse-middle and the
>window remains split.  
>This is different behavior than 19.13 where split goes away after
>selecting a buffer.  I looked at the buff-menu.el
>and noticed this capability was turned off.  Is there any way to set 
>a variable, leaving it up to the user, to specify this behavior?

Try C-x C-1 to make the current buffer the primary buffer.
Remember that C-x C-2 splits the screens indefinately.

--Ken
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Hi everybody,

I was wondering how to insert a page break in a buffer in order to print 
several short sections of my buffer on several pages. 

Thanks in advance for your help.	Gildas.

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Subject: Getting rid of Warnings buffer from displaying on startup
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Hi;
this is probably a simple one.....
I want to get rid of the Warnings buffer from appearing when the program 
boots. The only other thing I call is the file I want to open from the 
command line.
Thanks in advance for any solution.
Graham

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  I once used Infodock, before it became outdated. I still use a
library, hdr, which puts and updates headers in a file, according to a
user-defined template.

  I still use it now, and I think it would be of much use in a next
dist of XEmacs (still the best editor around).

  Thanks a lot!

     Francisco Colaco


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Stewart Mandell wrote:
> How can I make edebug print it's output to
> a named buffer rather than the message line?

The function edebug-previous-result could be replaced with
one that called edebug-trace or edebug-trace-display 
instead of message.  It might be nice to provide this an an
option.  

But there are several other message calls throughout
the code.  I believe I've seen a utility that sends all
message strings to a trace buffer - this would be a nice
debugging feature on its own.

--
Daniel LaLiberte (liberte@ncsa.uiuc.edu)
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From: bothner@cygnus.com (Per Bothner)
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In article <DwJsK6.69o@world.std.com>, Eugene O'Neil <eugene@cs.umb.edu> wrote:
>I considered keeping the text in raw form, and dynamically parsing it as 
>needed as you suggest. It is the obvious approach when implementing syntax 
>trees inside an existing editor, like emacs, that already has an established 
>way of dealing with text. However, since I was writing this from the ground 
>up, I have complete freedom to represent the text in any way I see fit. I 
>chose the path less travelled by, and hope to discover something different at 
>the end of it.

Certainly a hierchical structure is useful for things like HTML and SGML.
Of course hierarchy is not new, but I don't kow of a toolkit with
hierchical text representation that supports line breaking to be
orthogical to the hierarchy - which is of course useful for HTML.

Speaking of line breaking:  A SyntaxTree class is not very useful unless
you also provide an efficient way to display the data in a window,
and allow it to be edited.  I understand that SyntaxTree is at the
logical ("model") level, which is in theory independent of the
display ("view") level.  Still, unless I can efficienctly map from
one to the other, the SyntaxTree level has limited usefulness.
People are not going to be interested unless you also implement
"SyntaxTreeContainer" which extends java.awt.Container, and displays
(part of) a SyntaxTree.  Of course, you should be able to display
the same SyntaxTree in multiple SyntaxTreeContainers.

Conversely, people will want put in arbitrary Components
into a SyntaxTree.

>You assume I haven't? Thanks a whole bunch. Actually, I have a pretty good 
>idea how to implement it, and have written some code towards that goal, and I 
>have written things like it before, but I didn't want to confuse people with 
>implementation details at this early stage in the game. What I want to know 
>is, ASSUMING it can be implemented, would you use it? Are there any features 
>it glaringly lacks?

I am critiquing your design because because I *do* want a flexible
and free Java "TextEditor" class.  But you cannot expect anyone to
sign on "yes, I would use this" in advance.  You need to address
issues of how you would support emacs-style text properties and tags.
And you need to consider issues of efficient display and update.
If you do, I would certainly at least take a look at the result.

Remember:   The subject-line is "emacs rewritten in java ?".
To get the most use out of this, we need to be able to run most
of the existing Emacs Lisp packages with little or no change.
I have a Java Scheme compiler+runtime (look for kawa in
ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/bothner), that can be modified to
support Emacs Lisp.  However, we need Java implementations
of the Emacs buffer and window types.
-- 
	--Per Bothner
Cygnus Support     bothner@cygnus.com

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I've compiled xemacs-19.14 with athena scrollbars, and I've been trying
to get the scrollbar on the right. I've tried these things between
calls to xrdb -load .Xresources:

Emacs.scrollBarPlacement: bottom-right
Emacs*scrollBarPlacement: bottom-right
Emacs.ScrollBarPlacement: bottom-right
Emacs*ScrollBarPlacement: bottom-right

but no success for me. What can I do?

Incidentally, I prefer athena scrollbars because I don't have to move
my hand all over in order to scroll (I just click left or right mouse 
buttons). It would nifty if this behavior were incorporated into a
variant of the Lucid scrollbars I think.

kendall

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	I'm trying to compile xemacs 19.14 on a SunOS machine
running 4.1.3_U1 and am having problems. When I run the configure
passing only the -prefix option, I get the following results from
the make:

Script started on Fri Aug 23 13:02:00 1996
cyclonic% maske   ke
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd lwlib; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd dynodump; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
cd src; make all  \
        CC='gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O' MAKE='make'
gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.        -I/h/ptanner/emacs/xemacs-19.14/src                               -I/h/ptanner/emacs/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib -g -O frame-x.c
In file included from frame-x.c:35:
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:85: parse error before `XtCreatePopupChildProc'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:85: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:101: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:101: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:106: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:106: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:107: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:137: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:137: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:139: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:139: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:191: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:191: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:193: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:193: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from /auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:195,
                 from frame-x.c:35:
/usr/include/X11/VendorP.h:75: parse error before `ShellPart'
/usr/include/X11/VendorP.h:75: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/usr/include/X11/VendorP.h:78: parse error before `}'
/usr/include/X11/VendorP.h:78: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
In file included from frame-x.c:35:
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:229: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:229: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:233: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:233: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:269: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:269: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:273: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:273: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:315: parse error before `ShellPart'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:315: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:320: parse error before `}'
/auto/gnu/gcc.2.7.2/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3/2.7.2/include/X11/ShellP.h:320: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
frame-x.c: In function `xemacs_XtPopup':
frame-x.c:1546: `ShellWidget' undeclared (first use this function)
frame-x.c:1546: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
frame-x.c:1546: for each function it appears in.)
frame-x.c:1546: parse error before `shell_widget'
frame-x.c:1551: `shell_widget' undeclared (first use this function)
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `frame-x.o'
Current working directory /tmp_mnt/h/ptanner/emacs/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'
cyclonic% 

script done on Fri Aug 23 13:09:28 1996

	I reran configure with --with-xpm=no, which allowed the make
to complete, but emacs core dumps upon execution. gdb is unable to
read the core file also.

	Can you provide any insight as to what might be wrong?

					Thanks,

					Phil Tanner
					ptanner@sw.stratus.com

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu>

    kendall> I've compiled xemacs-19.14 with athena scrollbars, and
    kendall> I've been trying to get the scrollbar on the right. I've
    kendall> tried these things between calls to xrdb -load
    kendall> .Xresources:

Use:

Emacs*scrollBarPlacement: BOTTOM_RIGHT


This is listed in etc/sample.Xdefaults in the XEmacs distribution.



			-Chuck

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One way I learned regexps was by playing around with XEmacs's regexp
isearch mode.  It gives you immediate feedback as to what matches your
regexp. 

Beware the regexp differences b/n grep,egrep,sed,awk,emacs,etc.

Never confuse regexp's with wildcards.

I highly recommend O'Reilly's _Unix Power Tools_, chapt 27.
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In article <86buggcvvo.fsf@disconnect.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@demon.net> writes:

> Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com> writes:
>     >> I use bash as my shell program and like the behaviour of the
>     >> arrow keys. I can edit and retreive previous commands.
>     >> Unfortunately, when I start bash as shell in emacs the arrows
>     >> keys are just arrow keys. Is there anyway I can keep the same
>     >> behaviour?
> 
> Try this:
> 
> 	M-x local-set-key
> 
> then, on the prompt, just press the up arrow.
> 
> It will now tell you that you want to change the binding for the "up"
> key.  As it asks you for the command you want to bind the key to, you
> enter something like "comint-previous-matching-input-from-input"
<text elided>

I have a similar request.  I would like to use bash's file name
completion facility instead of emacs.  Then I'd never have to
deal w/ emacs being mistaken about my actual path (which happens
whenever I rlogin anywhere and then at random other times as
well).

Anyway, real bash shell completion access through the emacs
shell would be invaluable to me.  Does anyone have anything like
that working?  I'm willing to work on it but have been
unsuccessful in my attempts so far.

(I've attempted to hack some hooks into shell-mode to allow me
to use bash's <TAB> key functionality but I'm not seeing bash's
completion output (although it does actually happen).  (perhaps
it has something to do with comint being unhappy with the lack
of a a carriage return).  I also wonder if it might simplify
things if I hacked bash to add a command line interface to its
completion functionality.  Any thoughts?)

Thanks,
Eric

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
To: fuhs@ensae.fr (thierry.fuhs)
Cc: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: Internationalization
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>>>>> "thierry" == thierry fuhs <fuhs@ensae.fr> writes:

>> Try adding these resources to ~/Emacs, and if that works, add more
>> resources:
>> 
>> Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
>> Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
>> Emacs*XlwMenu.help.labelString: Hilfe

thierry> Thanks a lot. Your solution works fine for any single word. 
thierry> However, I don't succeed in translating  groups of words. 

>From a comment in lwlib/xlmenu.c:

  /* Turn a random string into something suitable for using as a resource.
     For example:

     "Kill Buffer"		->	"killBuffer"
     "Find File..."		->	"findFile"
     "Search and Replace..."	->	"searchAndReplace"
     "C++ Mode Commands"        ->      "cppModeCommands"
   */


thierry> I'd like also to extend the translation to dialog boxes, but the similar solution

thierry> Emacs*Dialog.resourceLabels: True
thierry> Emacs*Dialog.cancel.labelString: Annuler

thierry> doesn't seem to work.

I don't know if there is a way to do this...

thierry> Is there any precise doc about the whole stuff? 

Only the source, currently.

Martin

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From: gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor)
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Subject: How to change XEmacs icon 19.14
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I'm not how to ask this question but...

Just fired up 19.14 and the iconified XEmacs is big and fat compared
to 19.13.

I would like to get my old icon back (I think it was just the X11/twm
default) and I don't know how to do this.

ENV: sol2.5,X11,twm,tcsh. 

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,

Andy
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>>>>> "C" == Chuck Thompson <cthomp@cs.uiuc.edu> writes:


    kendall> I've compiled xemacs-19.14 with athena scrollbars, and
    kendall> I've been trying to get the scrollbar on the right. I've
    kendall> tried these things between calls to xrdb -load
    kendall> .Xresources:

    C> Use:

    C> Emacs*scrollBarPlacement: BOTTOM_RIGHT


    C> This is listed in etc/sample.Xdefaults in the XEmacs
    C> distribution.

Thanks, sorry.

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It seems that parsing of error-messages in the compile package has
become much slower in xemacs 19.14 compared to 19.13.  I sometimes
have to wait 30 seconds or more to parse the *compilation* buffer
error messages, whereas previously it would take no more than 3-5
seconds.

Any ideas what the problem might be or if there are any workarounds?

	ben
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> 
> I was wondering how to insert a page break in a buffer in order to print 
> several short sections of my buffer on several pages. 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.	Gildas.
>
Control q Control l  (That's an ell)


Control q let's you insert any control or literal character.
E.g., Control q TAB will insert a tab even when your indentation
rules won't accept just TAB.

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>
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> I was wondering how to insert a page break in a buffer in order to print 
> several short sections of my buffer on several pages. 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.	Gildas.
>
Control q Control l  (That's an ell)


Control q let's you insert any control or literal character.
E.g., Control q TAB will insert a tab even when your indentation
rules won't accept just TAB.

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From: Trisha Van Zandt <trish@jhu.edu>
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After a very long, discouraging, hot, muggy Baltimore afternoon, 
I think I'm finally getting close to having XEmacs installed on my 
HP9000 712.  Now I'm getting an unsatisfied symbol error while 
building temacs:

ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   __builtin_va_start (code)

I've been unable to find any reference to this particular error
anywhere - I'm sorry if indeed it lies in a FAQ somewhere.  Has
anyone any words of wisdom or encouragement for me?

Trish Van Zandt
Department of Psychology
The Johns Hopkins University

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Is there any mechanism for changing the File Selection Dialog to the
standard Motif dialog without dipping into the source?

Thanks,
laura

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Andy Gabor (gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
>I'm not how to ask this question but...

>Just fired up 19.14 and the iconified XEmacs is big and fat compared
>to 19.13.

>I would like to get my old icon back (I think it was just the X11/twm
>default) and I don't know how to do this.

Never mind - I found an answer (at least it works).

(set-glyph-image frame-icon-glyph [nothing])

If this is wrong/stupid/whatever... let me know.

Andy

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From: jp@lucy.coronacorp.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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I've got a few functions that I've inherited that save and restore my current 
Xemacs "state" ie it saves the current files that I'm editing or reloads them.

My save state function uses the following function to generate a list of 
buffers that I'll want to reload:

;;; Return a list of the file names of important buffers currently in emacs.
(defun buffer-file-names ()
  (let ((file-names (mapcar 'buffer-file-name (buffer-list)))
	(filtered-file-names))
    (while file-names
      (let ((file-name (car file-names)))
	(if (and file-name (null (string-match "RMAIL" file-name)))
	    (setq filtered-file-names (cons file-name filtered-file-names))))
      (setq file-names (cdr file-names)))
    filtered-file-names))

This might return something like ("/home/jp/.cshrc" "/home/jp/temp.c")

In my save state function I make the following call:

 (form (format "(find-file-list '%s)" (buffer-file-names)))

Unfortunatly this create the following:
 (find-file-list (home/jp/.cshrc /home/jp/temp.c))

STRIPPING the QUOTE MARKS!

Later on in the restore function I call:
(defun find-file-list (the-list)
  "Find all files in list THE-LIST."
  (interactive)
  (mapcar 'find-file the-list))

But find-file fails because it wants filenames in quotes (at least it seems
to work if I modify the restore buffer to put the quotes back in).

Is there a way that I can
a)  Get format to keep the quotes
   or
b)  Get find-file to accept the filenames without quotes?

Thanks,
--jp

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I have no use for vm and gnus and probably some other packages
as well in xemacs. How do I build an xemacs without these packages?
What do I need to remove etc?

thansk

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From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>
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(moved from gnu.emacs.sources)

>>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu> writes:

    RMS> I'd like to ask people not to use the term "FSF Emacs".  That
    RMS> term was coined as a put-down by people who maintain a
    RMS> modified version of GNU Emacs, and who treat the official
    RMS> version as a rival.  If you don't share that feeling, please
    RMS> don't use words that express it.

    RMS> Distinguishing the two versions is certainly necessary.  I do
    RMS> it by writing GNU Emacs and GNU XEmacs, or, in contexts where
    RMS> there is no problem of confusion with other Emacs
    RMS> implementations (which is most of the time), just Emacs and
    RMS> XEmacs.


I would appreciate a retraction of your first statement.  To the very
best of my knowledge the phrase was definitely coined as a way of
distinguishing GNU Emacs from XEmacs.  Regardless of its origin, I
maintain XEmacs.  I did not coin the phrase "FSF Emacs".  I have never
used it as a put-down.  Out of respect for your wishes I have not used
that term (other than when discussing the term itself such as here) in
any posting I have made since I became aware of your objections to it.

By the same token I personally do not care for the phrase "GNU
XEmacs".  As has been pointed out by others, XEmacs is noticeably
missing from all lists of GNU software.  If you wish to use the phrase
"GNU XEmacs" then please include XEmacs in all such lists which you
control.  Otherwise, I would prefer you use just plain "XEmacs".

As for your comment about those "who treat the official version as a
rival" well I suppose there has been some truth to that.  However,
please see a recent posting I made to comp.emacs and comp.emacs.xemacs
about this very issue.

I am rather disturbed by this entire posting of yours.  It can be read
to imply that you resent the existence of XEmacs.  Even if I were to
endorse the view that XEmacs is a rival, what's wrong with GNU Emacs
having a rival?  The ironic thing here is that you are responsible for
XEmacs being able to exist in the first place.  Without the GPL and
its application to Emacs no one would ever have been able to create a
different version of GNU Emacs.  I see XEmacs as being an embodiment
of the Free Software movement.  "If a piece of software doesn't do
what you want, then here's the source code.  You're free to modify it
to do what you want it to".  That's both why XEmacs can exist and why
it does exist.

For future reference, there have been and are other XEmacs developers.
There are many others who are vocal advocates of XEmacs who are not
actually developers.  Sometimes I agree with what they say.  Sometimes
I do not.  Before you use all-inclusive phrases such as "people who
maintain" please be sure that you know who is actually in that group
and be sure that your statements are really applicable to everyone in
that group.  In particular be sure that it includes me.  This is not
the first time you have globally referred to the XEmacs maintainers
and not actually accurately stated my views.  I've put out every
release which has been made under the name XEmacs.  I'm as official as
it gets with XEmacs.



-- 
Chuck Thompson					     primary XEmacs maintainer
Research Programmer
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray  <rjs@zilker.com> writes:

Ray> I have no use for vm and gnus and probably some other packages
Ray> as well in xemacs. How do I build an xemacs without these packages?
Ray> What do I need to remove etc?

There's nothing to remove.  VM, and Gnus are not dumped with XEmacs,
and take up no space whatsoever in the binary.

Take a look in the XEmacs FAQ for suggestions on reducing the runtime
storage requirements, as you do not need to keep lisp around you are
not using.
-- 
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       	Hi, [regular posting, 'tiny tools' updates]

        >> For Emacs 19.27 - 19.34+, XE 19.12 - XE 19.14+
        >> ftp://cs.uta.fi:/pub/ssjaaa/tiny-tools.tar.gz
        >>
        >> please be patient: that is an University site which
        >> doesn't have many outside connections.
        >>
        >> The "access denied" means the site is busy; try a little later

	Full explanation of files is in README.txt and DOCS.txt in the
	site. Here are the latest versions.

        To get files via mail, send mail to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
        and add following statement to the body of our message:

                reply <a valid net address back to you>
                connect cs.uta.fi
                binary
                uuencode
                chdir /pub/ssjaaa/
                get FILE1 FILE2 FILE3 ...

	Important: Please do not skip the file README.txt and
	OLD.txt even if you have read them previously. They are
	constantly updated and may contain some new and important
	information.

	If you enjoy my tools, please drop me a mail and I add you
	to automatic annouce list. Whenever the site is updated or
	if I have new packages under way I let you know immediately.

	LATEST NEWS:

	The XEmacs support has been started and now many packages
	are directly p'play compatible with XEmacs. The Keybinding
	differencies are handled by tinyck.el automatically.

	Cheers!
	/jari

1.20 1996/08/23 tinyad.el      Collection of (ad)viced functions
1.61 1996/08/23 tinylib.el     Main library of generally useful functions
1.13 1996/08/23 tinyscroll.el  Enable/Disable autoscroll for any buffer.
1.25 1996/08/23 tinycom.el     Smart comment setting utility
1.37 1996/08/23 tinydiff.el    Diff output minor mode. Browsing, patching.
1.43 1996/08/23 tinylibm.el    library of usefull s(M)all (M)acros or functi
1.27 1996/08/23 tinyezip.el    'load' support for compressed elisp files.
1.4  1996/08/23 tinylibl.el    library for lisp (l)ist structure handling
1.9  1996/08/23 tinylibxe.el   Library for XE & GNU compatibity
1.16 1996/08/22 tinylibmt.el   Library of (m)ail and news (t)ool functions
1.7  1996/08/22 tinychist.el   Automatic command-history save/restore utili
1.12 1996/08/22 tinybufid.el   Identifying buffer regardless of mode
1.8  1996/08/21 tinypage.el    Handling ^L pages, select, cut, copy, head re
1.16 1996/08/21 tinyck.el      (C)onvert (k)eybindings for XEmacs or Emacs
1.24 1996/08/21 tinydesk.el    Saves/restores files of emacs session
1.31 1996/08/21 tinyreplace.el handy query-replace, area, case preserve,
1.15 1996/08/21 tinyxreg.el    Restoring points/win cfg stroed in reg. via X
1.17 1996/08/21 tinymail.el    Some mail additions to C-x m. Dynamic FCC, CC
1.24 1996/08/21 tinytab.el     Programmers TAB mov/handler minor mode. Very f
1.22 1996/08/21 tinypair.el    self insert character pairs () "" '' <> etc.
1.10 1996/08/20 tinybm.el      Bookmark package, keep your code organized
1.20 1996/08/20 tinyeat.el     Eating blocks of text forward, backward
1.12 1996/08/20 tinyappend.el  A simple text gathering to buffer utility.
1.8  1996/08/20 tinyef.el      Electric file minor mode. Easy filename composi
1.26 1996/08/20 tinycerr.el    General parser for compile errors.
1.8  1996/08/20 tinybl.el      (B)uffer (L)ist handling functions aka C-x C-b
1.8  1996/08/16 tinymacro.el   Fast way to assign newly created macro to ke
1.5  1996/08/15 tnycache.el    Maintain a cache of files visited by `compile
1.11 1996/08/12 tinyhotlist.el Hotlist of buffers in X, easy add, easy re
1.34 1996/06/28 tinydired.el   Dired enchancements. Ange ftp support
1.7  1996/06/28 tinytag.el     Tags like datatabase functions, grep database
1.23 1996/06/28 tinypatch.el   Emacs 19.28-19.xx std distrib. corrections
1.7  1996/06/20 tinylock.el    Simple emacs locking utility
1.20 1996/06/19 tinyfh.el      Collection of file handling functions
1.13 1996/06/14 tinyliby.el    library of functions related to Emacs s(y)ste
1.3  1996/06/13 tinylpr.el     Easy Emacs lpr command handling, popup, comple
1.11 1996/06/12 tinygflint.el  Gimpel C/C++ Flint compatible error parser.
1.5  1996/06/12 tinylibq.el    library of (q)uery and user interaction funct
1.13 1996/06/08 tinymatch.el   Highlight matched text in a buffer easily
1.5  1996/06/08 tinycb.el      (C)irculate (b)uffers easily.
1.11 1996/06/01 tinymenu.el    Simple echo-area menus for less used function
1.5  1996/05/27 c-comment-edit2.el C Comment Edit
1.8  1996/05/25 tinylibo.el    Library for handling (o)verlays easily
1.14 1996/04/12 tinysword.el   search word under cursor: backward, forward
1.4  1996/04/02 tinymouse.el   Mouse surfing! Functions to demonstrate mous
1.12 1996/02/10 tinyff.el      Regexp find file utility
1.14 1996/02/10 tinystamp.el   A simple document stamping tool.
1.7  1996/02/10 tinyfold.el    extra functions for folding.el
1.13 1996/02/10 tinyindent.el  like indented-text-mode, but minor-mode, sm


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From: johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam)
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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: In article <4up6iv$bom@news.liberty.com> johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net (Johan Kullstam) writes:

: > : > java is a compiled language which means it loses many of the benefits of 
: > : > error checking/handling/recovery
: > type checking isn't at all what i meant.  what i mean is what happens 
: > when your routines fail?
: I don't see why exception handling would be inherently better or easier in
: an interpreted language compared to a compiled language.

well compiled languages _can_ support good error handling.  it usually 
involves a lot of run time support.  the more error handling and 
debugging is availible, the more it resembles interpreted code.  there 
is a whole spectrum of languages available.  to name a few:
0 assembly - no run time support
1 C - basically portable assembly
2 pascal & fortran - have a little error checking.  handling typically 
  consists of abort program with no chance of recovering.
3 byte compiled elisp - almost interpreted but at least pre-parsed
4 elisp, basic & matlab - full interpreted languages
this list is by no means complete but is intended to show that there is a 
continuum of possibilities between `compiled' and `interpreted'.  usually 
the interpreted languages are easier to work with.  you are already in 
the editor and debugger (like emacs lisp) and there's no edit/compile/debug 
loop.

maybe you want to open a file and the open fails, an interpreted 
language might prompt you for a new file name, C depends on you checking 
a return value, pascal just aborts the program no questions asked.  what 
is the prefered error handler for speedy development?

: > say you try to write some bits to the disk and it happens to be full.
: > sure you can see if the write worked (in C you can check the return
: > value), but almost no one does.
: Too bad then. Either the library or the application developer should have
: done this. How would an interpreted language make this unnecessary?

how's libc going to check whether you looked at the return from printf?
blaming mssrs kernigan and ritchie (the app developers) won't help either.
admittedly, C is probably the weakest language when it comes to enforcing 
error handling while it does allow a flexible response.

: > when was the last time you checked the return value from your printf?
: printf can't fail unless stdout is redirected from screen to some other
: device. And in that case the program which does the redirection (the shell)
: should do the checking (IMHO).

how about fprintf or write then?

: > and what about array bounds checking, NULL pointers &c during runtime?
: If you need them, you'd be a fool not to do them. Many compilers can do
: array bound checking, eg the Pascal ones, but in C it's harder due to its
: more flexible way of working with arrays. Switch cheking ON during
: development/debugging, and then turn it OFF for faster execution.

yes this is true.  but the more features you add, the more it suffers 
from speed loss associated with interpreted languages.  it becomes closer 
to full interpretation.  the only reason to use compiled languages is 
speed.  (sizewise, highlevel language source is much smaller than its 
binary image - with interpreter, you never create the image).  

: Yet I start to see your point. I think for these kinds of errors the best
: is machine/OS support. Sun OS crashes the program with "segment violation"
: or some such on these errors (arrays are allocated in segments and you just
: can't reach outside of that segment using the same base virtual pointer).

this is about the bare minimum you can accept on a usable platform.  it 
is essential to prevent a program from taking over the system if you are 
to run more than one at a time.  i wouldn't consider the run time error 
handling of unix `good'.

: > interpreted environments are just _so_ much nicer to work in.
: I agree with this (my experience is how much faster development with
: Smalltalk is compared to C++), but I don't think the reason is exception
: handling. 

: > since i am fairly happy with the performance of emacs lisp, i see no
: > reason to change.
: W3 pushes elisp to the edge. Some people won't use W3 because Lynx is so
: much faster. A solution might be to run on the side a separate parser
: process written in C, but that's a long shot.

: > : There are GCs : for C available.
: > give me a break.  use of malloc and free cannot possibly be considered good 
: > garbage collection.
: It is *not* GC. But there *are* implementations of a GC for C.

: > C++ with its automatic constructors and destructors are a feeble attempt
: > at some sanity.
: Agreed. There isn't any good way to destruct a big cyclic system of objects.

: > rolling your own memory management in a compiled environment often leads
: > to leaks.
: I have to admit I don't know how good these C GCs are.

: > : what exactly is the difference in status between the Java bytecode and
: > : the ELisp bytecode?

: > lisp is object oriented.
: No it's not. But Java is.
sure it is.  data is programs and vice versa.  they look the same.  you 
can put a function in your data and run it.  you can make any data 
structure out lists.  is this not object orientation?

: > it has garbage collection.
: So has Java, or Smalltalk.

yes java and smalltalk do have garbage collection.

: > and a version of emacs exists on virtually every machine of consequense.
: But the Mac version is way behind and the Windows versions still don't do
: processes quite well.

you can run linux on both pc and mac _machines_.  ;-)

: > you can byte compile it for speed.
: Which is still not adequate for some applications, eg W3.

so add a few c primitives.  sheesh.

: > we already have a portable, object oriented language.
: Why do you say elisp is OO? I think that one of the most urgent problems
: with emacs/elisp is having light-weight threads (as opposed to processes
: communicating by interchange of text).

: Well, you made me play devil's advocate in this case. I think elisp is just
: fine for emacs, and should be left alone. Which doesn't mean that a big
: emacs-like editor won't be written in Java, it will.

sure write an editor in java.  no problem.  make it have the same control 
codes we know and love.  it might even be better than emacs.  just don't 
call it emacs.

--
johan kullstam
kullstam@cqt.com

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In article <vwpw4hg01r.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
jp@lucy.coronacorp.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
> Is there a way that I can
> a)  Get format to keep the quotes

(form (format "(find-file-list '%S)" (buffer-file-names)))
                                 ^
Note the `%S'.                  

-Sudish

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Subject: Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs
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anderson@lindy.cs.umass.edu (Scott D. Anderson) writes:

> I've been reading this discussion comparing Xemacs and GNU Emacs, and no
> one has mentioned the biggest difference I know of.  The GNU Emacs that
> I've used don't seem to understand X-windows cut and paste, which Xemacs
> does.  This means I can cut/paste from a shell to an emacs and so forth.

I do it everytime inside GNU Emacs 19.xx.

> Since no one has mentioned it, there must be a way to make GNU Emacs
> respond to X-windows gestures.  Can someone enlighten me?

I do not known what is happenig with you.

-- 
Alair Pereira do Lago  <alair@ime.usp.br> <http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair>
Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil

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We are researching an article on the impact of E-mail on students.
We would be grateful if you could answer the following questions.
If you like you can provide a contact telephone number so we can
talk further.

How often do you log in?

To what extend do you find relationships change because of the use of 
E-mail as opposed to 
telephone?

Do you only mail people you have met in person?


Do you find the Net preferable to communicate than to speak in person?

Does E-mail provide the opportunity for you to socially say certain
things you would not usually say, or contact people you would not
usually contact?

How has E-mail effected your University experience?


Thank you for your help

Tamsin Irwin
mailto: j.e. perry@abdn.ac.uk

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Is there a complete dictionary which can work in conjunction with 
ISPELL (or even independently of it) under (X)emacs?
I am referring to something like the Random house electronic Webster 
Dictionary and Thesaurus (RHWEDT) which is available for DOS.
I'd like to check not just the spelling of the current word (region, buffer)
but also the dictionary definition and, even more important, see 
possible synonyms.
Another possibility would be getting Webster's dictionary in the same
form as the one available on the internet and which can be looked up
from inside (X)emacs: is that possible for single users, private use?
Thank you for any information.

R. Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
badii @ psi.ch


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From: Jay Rogers <jay@fluffy.rgrs.com>
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Bidemi" == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:
> 
> Bidemi> I recently had the opportunity to try the shell-mode under my
> Bidemi> xemacs-19.14 system.  It loaded up just fine and gave me a
> Bidemi> pretty prompt.  But, whenever I issued a command, the outputs
> Bidemi> to the shell were mal-aligned, not recognizable, or conyained
> Bidemi> actual ASCII code or control sequences.
> 
> Bidemi> Does anyone know what's a matter with this thing?
> 
> Nope.  Works for me with Linux 2.0.13/ELF and zsh 3.0.0.  Are you
> using a csh variant by any chance?  There are known problems with
> t?csh and improper code in .cshrc.

This also happened for me when going from GNU emacs 19.30 to 19.31.
I'm running Slackware 3.0/Kernel 1.2.13.  My tcsh prompt is now
screwed up.

What's happening is emacs 19.30 sets the shell mode environment to

    TERM=emacs
    TERMCAP=emacs:co#80:tc=unknown:

now it just sets

    TERM=dumb

I tracked this down to a conditional based on 'system-uses-terminfo in
comint.el around lines 590.  In 19.30 'system-uses-terminfo is nil
while in later versions it is true.

Anyone know why the value of 'system-uses-terminfo has changed for
linux?

--
Jay Rogers

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zinc wrote:
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> Peter Maurice-Jones <peter.mj@amoco.com> writes:
> 
> >
> > greetings all,
> >
> > i log my outgoing email from VM into an outbox but i want to view the
> > outbox showing the recipient and *not* my own name over and over for
> > each message. how can i do this when i am visiting a folder to make
> > the output more meaningfull???
> >
> > does anyone know???
> 
> add this to your .vm:
> 
> ;; this will keep my address from showing up in the summary of sent mail
> 
> (setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))
> 

You know, I tried this.  cut and pasted verbatim, and checked the value of the
variable after starting vm, and it reflected acurately ("ksford"), but when I
visit a sent-mail file, I still see my name on every summary entry.  Is there
something else I should turn on?

Thanks.


> rock on,
> 
> - -pjf
> 
> - --
> "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>  safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
>                           finger for PGP key
> zifi runs LINUX 2.0.14  -=-=-=WEB=-=-=->  http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: 2.6.2
> Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface
> 
> iQCVAwUBMhykgU3Qo/lG0AH5AQEEzwP/QSp2rKjY/3X8DypRhQyd60CdNa7Pf6rG
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> Gu2qymEuY7k=
> =OZLn
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

"It's men like him that give the Y chromosome a bad name."

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________

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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: C mode in Xemacs 19.14
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:08:41 -0500
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I am still having a few problems with C mode in Xemacs 19.14.  Maybe
someone has the fix for them already.

1.  In Xemacs 19.13 I set c-basic-offset to 4 globally and was happy. 
However this does not work in Xemacs 19.14.  Did this variable go buffer
local only now or what?  How can I set this globally now?

2. The compilation mode does not recognize the output of the HP C/ANSI C
Developer's compiler correctly.  It does not automaticly take me to the
file when you click on an error.  Instead it prompts me for the file
name even though it lists the default as the correct file.  Brad Howes
suggested the following:

>Sounds like a problem with the regexp in the compile buffer. Look at the
>variable compilation-error-regexp-alist. It contains a list of regular
>expressions used to decode compiler error messages.

Does anyone have a regexp figured out that works with the output of the
HP compiler?

Thanks!
Darren
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Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

> zinc wrote:
> > 
> > (setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))
> > 
> 
> You know, I tried this. cut and pasted verbatim, and checked the
> value of the variable after starting vm, and it reflected acurately
> ("ksford"), but when I visit a sent-mail file, I still see my name
> on every summary entry. Is there something else I should turn on?

If you use bcc to mail yourself copies, check if From: actually
matches your login-name. Your mail system may have changed it to what
*it* thinks is the canonical form.


Hvard Fosseng

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>>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

    Darren> 1.  In Xemacs 19.13 I set c-basic-offset to 4 globally and
    Darren> was happy.  However this does not work in Xemacs 19.14.
    Darren> Did this variable go buffer local only now or what?  How
    Darren> can I set this globally now?

Use setq-default instead of setq.

    Darren> 2. The compilation mode does not recognize the output of
    Darren> the HP C/ANSI C Developer's compiler correctly.  It does
    Darren> not automaticly take me to the file when you click on an
    Darren> error.  Instead it prompts me for the file name even
    Darren> though it lists the default as the correct file.  Brad
    Darren> Howes suggested the following:

Haven't tried lately, but when I had this, it was because I was not in
the directory where the source file was. Setting the appropriate
variable (compilation-search-path ?) fixed that.

Richard.

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Stewart Mandell <mandell@gw1.ags.bnl.gov> writes:

> How can I make edebug print it's output to
> a named buffer rather than the message line?

In GNU Emacs >= 19.29 you can see ALL messages logged in *Messages* buffer.
I am not sure about xemacs but if there is not an equivalent package or mode
you should look for log-messages.el package somewhere.  It is a must for other
purposes and solve your problem as a consequence.

My 2 cents.

-- 
Alair Pereira do Lago  <alair@ime.usp.br> <http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair>
Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil

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Hi All-

I've recently started using VM, having decided that it's probably more
flexible than pine, and I noticed in the docs about this command:

C-c C-q (mail-fill-yanked-message)

But, after yanking a message, and having each line of the yanked message
neatly begin with the vm-included-text-prefix as is desirable, and then
trying C-c C-q the fill operation trashes that nice arrangement of
vm-included-text-prefix at the start of each line.

How can I perform this mail-fill-yanked-message in such a manner as to
complete the operation with each line still having the
vm-included-text-prefix leading each line like I started with.  Pine
manages this ok, so I'm sure VM can to... Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks!

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

Q:  Why did the tachyon cross the road?
A:  Because it was on the other side.

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________

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Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?

I have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly.  But I'm not sure what
correctly should look like.  The manual doesn't really tell either.  
I am under the impression that it should like like lisp-interaction-mode,
but I am not sure.  

Any help would be appreciated

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Subject: Re: LINUX 2.0.13 and SHELL-MODE
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>>>>> "Jay" == Jay Rogers <jay@fluffy.rgrs.com> writes:

>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Bidemi" == Bidemi Temidire <bidemit@newbridge.com> writes:

Bidemi> I recently had the opportunity to try the shell-mode under my
Bidemi> xemacs-19.14 system.  It loaded up just fine and gave me a
Bidemi> pretty prompt.  But, whenever I issued a command, the outputs
Bidemi> to the shell were mal-aligned, not recognizable, or conyained
Bidemi> actual ASCII code or control sequences.
Bidemi> Does anyone know what's a matter with this thing?

See bottom of message.

My comment applies to XEmacs 19.14:
sb> Nope.  Works for me with Linux 2.0.13/ELF and zsh 3.0.0.  Are you
sb> using a csh variant by any chance?  There are known problems with
sb> t?csh and improper code in .cshrc.

Under GNU Emacs 19.33 I see the same thing Bidemi and Jay describe.

Jay> This also happened for me when going from GNU emacs 19.30 to 19.31.
Jay> I'm running Slackware 3.0/Kernel 1.2.13.  My tcsh prompt is now
Jay> screwed up.

 ...
Jay> I tracked this down to a conditional based on 'system-uses-terminfo in
Jay> comint.el around lines 590.  In 19.30 'system-uses-terminfo is nil
Jay> while in later versions it is true.

Now this is bogus, since I don't see a system-uses-terminfo variable
with XEmacs 19.14, and it doesn't seem to make any difference if I
hand set the values of TERM and TERMCAP to what comint wants.  XEmacs
does the right thing regardless.

Hand setting the values:
    TERM=emacs
    TERMCAP=emacs:co#80:tc=unknown:
in GNU Emacs 19.33 makes it work a bit better.

So, try hand setting TERMCAP & TERM and see if that makes things any
better.  In my environment, font-lock mode does not get automatically
enabled for the *shell* buffer in XEmacs, though it does in GNU Emacs.

It also may make a difference for me because zsh links against
libtermcap, though most of everything else (including the emacsen) is
linked against libncurses.  Also note, color-ls does not produce nice
output in a *shell* buffer.
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>>>>> "badii" == badii  <badii@cvax.psi.ch> writes:

badii> Is there a complete dictionary which can work in conjunction
badii> with ISPELL (or even independently of it) under (X)emacs?  I am
badii> referring to something like the Random house electronic Webster
badii> Dictionary and Thesaurus (RHWEDT) which is available for DOS.

Feed ispell something other than /usr/dict/words (or replace that file
with something more to your liking) when you build it.  I'm using
Webster's Second International, but any ASCII file with a list of
words in it will do.

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>>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

Darren> I am still having a few problems with C mode in Xemacs 19.14.  Maybe
Darren> someone has the fix for them already.

Darren> 1.  In Xemacs 19.13 I set c-basic-offset to 4 globally and was
Darren> happy.  However this does not work in Xemacs 19.14.  Did this
Darren> variable go buffer local only now or what?

Yup.

C-h v c-basic-offset
c-basic-offset's value is 2
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.
Setting it would make its value buffer-local.


Documentation:
*Amount of basic offset used by + and - symbols in `c-offsets-alist'.

Darren> How can I set this globally now?

You can't globally set the value of existing buffer-local variables,
to provide a new global default use
(setq-default c-basic-offset 4)

Darren> 2. The compilation mode does not recognize the output of the
Darren> HP C/ANSI C Developer's compiler correctly.

(Dejanews, though they've changed the interface to suck very badly is
still a very useful source of information).

Does this fix your problem?

Subject:      Compilation mode bug fix :-)
From:         Frode Stokke <fst@cindy.halden.scandpower.no>
Date:         1996/06/26
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 ...
I have now located the source of the problem. The problem seems to be
located in the variable compilation-error-regexp-alist which is used to
extract the error messages from the compiler output. The regular
expressions have been modified in version 19.14, and now incorrectly return
the filename with the surrounding quotes (e.g., "\"file.c\"" instead of
"file.c").

The problem seems to be the new definition for IRIX 5.2.
    ;; jwz:
    ;; IRIX 5.2
    ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
    (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)

This definition takes preceedence over the definition below.
    ;; Apollo cc, 4.3BSD fc:
    ;;  "foo.f", line 3: Error: syntax error near end of statement
    ;; IBM RS6000:
    ;;  "vvouch.c", line 19.5: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
    ;; Unknown compiler:
    ;;  File "foobar.ml", lines 5-8, characters 20-155: blah blah
    ;; Microtec mcc68k:
    ;;  "foo.c", line 32 pos 1; (E) syntax error; unexpected symbol: "lossage"
    ;; GNAT (as of July 94):
    ;;  "foo.adb", line 2(11): warning: file name does not match ...
    ("\"\\([^,\" \n\t]+\\)\", lines? \\([0-9]+\\)[:., (-]" 1 2)


To fix the problem to edit the file
lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/compile.el and comment out the IRIX 5.2
defintion (line 195).
    
Remember to do a (byte-compile-file "compile.el") after editing the
file. (i.e., type "M-x byte-compile-file" and answer "compile.el" at
the "Byte compile file:" prompt)

Of course, this is not a solution for people using the IRIX 5.2
compiler as well... Maybe someone from the XEmacs development team can
provide a better solution?
 


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-- 
Sorry to post this to your newsgroup, but I had to try it!

I read this and thought, "What could I lose?"
Read through it and maybe you'll like to try it as well!
But please be honest.  That is how it works.

                    "MAKE-MONEY-FAST"

----- Adapted article by Jody Vining (#4 below)   ----------------

Want to make a few bucks?  Quick, easy and cheap?

Ok ok, we have all heard this before, laughed at it, thought it was
stupid, so did I.  But one day, I was bored, and wanted to see if this
thing really works, the now infamous newsgroup "make-money-fast"
routine.
And well, to my surprise, it ACTUALLY WORKED.  I didn't make $50,000
like some said, but I DID make $3,200 in 1 month.  Thats not bad for a
$5 investment!

So now try it, maybe you'll make less, maybe you'll make more, but its
worth a shot right?

The procedure is very simple.

STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or money
order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the
following five addresses:

----------------------------------------------------------
1. Sahba Zadeh, 16115 122 Pl. NE, Bothell, WA 98011, USA

2. John England,  570 Vista Ave. Palo Alto, CA  94306, USA

3. Jeannette Bidegain, 2301 Redwood Street, #1406,  Las Vegas, NV  
    89102,USA

4. Jody Vining, 987 Shetland Ave, Winter Springs, FL, 32708

5. Mitch Whiteley, 1026 N. 510 W. Apt. 4A, Logan, UT  84341
---------------------------------------------------------------

STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
(5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number 5
on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply editing
and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there are
17 000 of them).

You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start
receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a Post
Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive.

If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as
"The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is correct!

NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!

Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES -
ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200
postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5.

Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200
additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
number 4. You make $50.

Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
= 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.

Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1
and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list.
AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total
income in one cycle = $55 500.

>From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return.

Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five
dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
RETURNS.

Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
what are the chances of that happening?

Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with
COMPLETELY NEW people participating?

There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!

Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
to this article easily.

Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
fairly. You know where your name should be.

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In article <4vm25s$amh@news.liberty.com>, johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net
(Johan Kullstam) wrote:

> well compiled languages _can_ support good error handling.  it usually 
> involves a lot of run time support.  the more error handling and 
> debugging is availible, the more it resembles interpreted code.

This is a common misconception. There is no reason that compiler-based
implementations of a programming language should have problems
in doing decent error handling

> is a whole spectrum of languages available.  to name a few:
> 0 assembly - no run time support

runtime support for what?

> this list is by no means complete but is intended to show that there is a 
> continuum of possibilities between `compiled' and `interpreted'.  usually 
> the interpreted languages are easier to work with.  you are already in 
> the editor and debugger (like emacs lisp) and there's no edit/compile/debug 
> loop.

I'm using Common Lisp implementations which are compiler-based for
years. The edit/compile/debug cycle is the same for
interpreted or compiled versions. The real question
is, has your implementation an incremental compiler and
linker? The Symbolics Lisp machine has had incremental compilers for
Fortran, Pascal, etc.

> maybe you want to open a file and the open fails, an interpreted 
> language might prompt you for a new file name, C depends on you checking 
> a return value, pascal just aborts the program no questions asked.  what 
> is the prefered error handler for speedy development?

This has nothing to do with using an interpreter. It is
a question of error handling. Compiled languages can have
exception-based error handling. See the
documentation of ANSI Common Lisp, Dylan, C++, for more
information about this. True, typical Common Lisp
implementations are providing by default more runtime
checks than, say, C or C++. Data typical is being
represented with tags to enable these checks. But this
has nothing to do with interpretation vs. compilation. 

Modern applications (like CL-HTTP) are using exceptions. I can
assure you, there is nothing interpreted there.

> sure it is.  data is programs and vice versa.  they look the same.  you 
> can put a function in your data and run it.  you can make any data 
> structure out lists.  is this not object orientation?

Not really.


Rainer Joswig

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Hi,

I just installed the tm package here in ORNET., it seems to work nice,
but the first time I load it, I get the following message:
(In trying to read a message containing mime)

         Autoloading failed to define function find-if

I have the following setup:

- In my ~/.emacs (when Stripping unwanted stuff)

  ....
  (load "mime-setup")
  ....
  (bbdb-insinuate-vm)   ; This line is here, because I want aliases
                        ; also from outside VM :)
  .... 
  (require 'tm-vm)      ; required after bbdb-insinuate-vm
   
- In my ~/.vm 
  - No stuff related to TM package
  - The only stuff for BBDB is for some hackings in saving messages
    into folders, getting the folder-name from my BBDB file


Any hint?

My Recent minibuffer messages are appended to the end of this message.

TIA.  


--- Ricky                            -*- Mode: Another-Unix-Hacker -*-
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;; e-mail: ricky@ornet.co.il       ORNET Data Communication Technologies Ltd.  
;;;   http://www.ornet.co.il/~ricky           (A Siemens Company)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;    "With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available.
;     On Unix, I am limited only by my own knowledge." -- Peter J. Schoenster
------------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------

My Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first): (Removing unwanted stuff)

  Autoloading failed to define function find-if
  Loading cl...done
  Loading cl-macs...done
  Loading cl-macs...
  Loading cl-defs...done
  Loading cl-defs...
  Loading cl...
  19 messages, 0 new, 6 unread, 0 deleted
  Checking for new mail for /.../ricky/mail/+INBOX...
  19 messages, 0 new, 6 unread, 0 deleted
  Loading tapestry...done
  Loading tapestry...
  Sorting done....
  Generating summary... done
  Generating summary markers... 
  Sorting... done
  Sorting...
  Loading mail-extr...done
  Loading mail-extr...
  Loading mail-utils...done
  Loading mail-utils...
  Parsing BBDB... (frobnicating...done)
  Parsing BBDB... (frobnicating...)
  Parsing BBDB... (reading...)
  Parsing BBDB...
  Loading vm-page...done
  Loading vm-page...
  Loading vm-motion...done
  Loading vm-motion...
  Sorting done....
  Sorting... done
  Sorting...
  Loading vm-sort...done
  Loading vm-sort...
  Loading vm-message...done
  Loading vm-message...
  Adding vm-print-message key
  Loading vm-folder...done
  Loading vm-folder...
  Reading /.../ricky/mail/+INBOX... done
  Reading /.../ricky/mail/+INBOX...
  Loading vm-menu...done
  Loading vm-menu...
  Loading vm-mouse...done
  Loading vm-mouse...
  Loading vm-misc...done
  Loading vm-misc...
  Loading vm-window...done
  Loading vm-window...
  ...
  Loading bbdb-hooks...done
  Loading bbdb-hooks...
  Loading bbdb-vm...done
  Loading bbdb-vm...
  Loading mime-setup...done
  Loading mime-setup...
  Loading advice...done
  Loading byte-optimize...done
  Loading byte-optimize...
  Loading bytecomp...done
  Loading bytecomp...
  Loading advice...
  Loading sounds...done
  Loading sounds...
  Loading sound...done
  Loading sound...
  Loading cl-extra...done
  Loading cl-extra...


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Hi All-

Does anyone know how I can get VM to use a certain FCC for outgoing mail
that is based in some manner on the mail headers of the message that I'm
sending? 

For example, say I'm sending to Scott V. Doe <svdoe@nobody.edu>

Maybe I'd like to have the default FCC for this be ScottVDoe.

Thanks!


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badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

 > Another possibility would be getting Webster's dictionary in the same
 > form as the one available on the internet and which can be looked up
 > from inside (X)emacs: is that possible for single users, private use?
 > Thank you for any information.

As long as you've still got some internet connection going, you can
use "webster19.el", recently posted to gnu.emacs.sources .

Mail me if you can't locate it anywhere.

If you by "private use" mean "not connected to any ISP", this
unfortunately won't help you.
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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> Hi,

Ricardo> I just installed the tm package here in ORNET., it seems to
Ricardo> work nice, but the first time I load it, I get the following
Ricardo> message: (In trying to read a message containing mime)

Ricardo>          Autoloading failed to define function find-if

This is a typo.  Try this patch:

--- tl-seq.el.orig	Thu Aug 15 23:06:43 1996
+++ tl-seq.el	Fri Aug 23 15:08:09 1996
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
 
 (cond ((file-installed-p "cl-seq.elc")
        (autoload 'find "cl")
-       (autoload 'find-if "cl")
+       (autoload 'find-if "cl-seq")
        )
       (t
        (defun find-if (pred seq)

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>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:

Joe> Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?  I
Joe> have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly.  But I'm not sure
Joe> what correctly should look like.  The manual doesn't really tell
Joe> either.  I am under the impression that it should like like
Joe> lisp-interaction-mode, but I am not sure.

What doesn't work about it?  ilisp is Inferior Lisp mode, and runs a
Lisp interpreter in an XEmacs buffer, and appears to work for me with
GNU Common Lisp.

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[XEmacs 19.14, IRIX 5.3, ps-print.el 2.8]

When I use any of the ps-spool* functions, I get a buffer called
*PostScript*.

I know this is really only meant to be used internally by ps-print,
but is there any way (hook or otherwise) to get the major-mode of this
beffer to be automatically set to postscript-mode (rather than
text-mode as it is now)?

TIA

Glenn.

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-- 
I am really sorry about my SPAM. I didn't realize how wrong
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

Kevin> How can I perform this mail-fill-yanked-message in such a manner as to
Kevin> complete the operation with each line still having the
Kevin> vm-included-text-prefix leading each line like I started with.  Pine
Kevin> manages this ok, so I'm sure VM can to... Can anyone enlighten me?

Try enabling filladapt mode on the VM buffer, it's specifically
designed for situations like this.
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From: Ehud Reshef <admi@ccsg.tau.ac.il>
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Can I notify an exsiting xemacs session
that I want it to open a certain file in a new buffer (preferable
also in a new screen) ?

Ehud Reshef
admi@ccsg.tau.ac.il

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: problems posting with GNUS
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josem@neptuno.die.upm.es (Jose Manuel Moya) writes:

> I created two foreign folders (with 'B') called:
> 
> nntp+server1:newsgroup1
> nntp+server2:newsgroup2
> 
> reading news is ok, but when I try to post something I get:
> 
> Couldn't send message via news: 441 No such newsgroup as "(null)"

Use `C-u C-c C-c' to post using the same method as the one you read
the group from.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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From: jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu (Joe Novosel)
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
: >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:

: Joe> Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?  I
: Joe> have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly.  But I'm not sure
: Joe> what correctly should look like.  The manual doesn't really tell
: Joe> either.  I am under the impression that it should like like
: Joe> lisp-interaction-mode, but I am not sure.

: What doesn't work about it?  ilisp is Inferior Lisp mode, and runs a
: Lisp interpreter in an XEmacs buffer, and appears to work for me with
: GNU Common Lisp.

It does that, is that all it's supposed to do?
--
					
-Joe Novosel (jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu)

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Hi,

my XEmacs sometimes `stopped' in endless loops while looking at mail
or news.  First, I tracked it down to `tm' (removing it cured the
problem).  After trying a new version of tm, I forced a core dump of
the `stopped' xemacs (the new version didn't cure the problem).
The core dump showed `set_image_attached_to' as (almost) topmost
function. My configuration was:

--with-sound=both --dynamic --with-dialogs=athena --cflags=-O2
no zlib, png and compfaces support.

Further examination revealed that xemacs is stopping when looking at
messages with faces.

Now, after installing zlib, png and compfaces support, I haven't
encountered the `endless loop' problem again.

Hope that helps :-)

Jens

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From: Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil>
Subject: VM:  How do I do attachments to messages?
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Hi All-

I've recently started using VM, and I'm pretty happy with it, but after
reading all of the info file on it, and trying apropos with "attach",
I'm able to find no documentation describing how to attach ascii or
binary messages to outgoing messages, nor what to do with similar
incoming messages.

Can anyone help me out?  Give me some pointers?

Thanks!

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found
on the bench.

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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Subject: Re: emacs rewritten in java ?
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Per Bothner wrote:
> 
> Remember:   The subject-line is "emacs rewritten in java ?".
> To get the most use out of this, we need to be able to run most
> of the existing Emacs Lisp packages with little or no change.

This has been a subject of much debate; if you think everyone agrees
with your assertion, you haven't read most of the rest of this thread.
I for one think that imposing that constraint would be a colossal
impediment to progress.

	== Jamie

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From: "Brian Bennett" <brianb@io-online.com>
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Subject: $5000 gift, just read this
Date: 26 Aug 96 02:15:20 GMT
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Turn a measly $5 into $50,000!

 Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions you 
 ever make.
 I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I
 thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my friends about it
 and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate struggle
  I decided I had nothing to lose.
 My family and I sent $1 by snail mail to each of 5 names and addresses 
 specified in the article. We then
 placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in 200
 other newsgroups.
 Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not
 believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4
 weeks,
 I received a total of $53,654. It came from all over the world.
 If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why the
 same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate investment
 opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your investment.
 So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY
 LEGITIMATE!
 OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT 
 PLEASE
 PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE 
 ADVANTAGE.
 The procedure is very simple.
 
STEP 1.

 Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
 the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or money
 order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the
 following five addresses:
******************************************************************
 1. Nat Heatwole, 7550 Damascus Rd., Gaithersburg, MD 20882
 2. Jeff Katz, 7 Seir Hill Rd, #41, Norwalk, CT 06850
 3. Eric Johnson 14817 Holden Circle, Horizon TX, 79927
 4. Patrick Bryce Box 2462, Lloydminster, SK, Canada, S9V 1W5   
 5. Brian Bennett, 1475 Graves Ave #50, El Cajon, Ca 92021
******************************************************************
 

STEP 2. 

Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
(5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number 
5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply 
editing and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.

STEP 3. 

Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there are
17 000 of them).


You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start
receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
you post to, the bigger your return will be. 

You may want to rent a Post Office Box to handle the volume of mail you 
are 
likely to receive.
If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as
"The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is correct!
NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!
Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES -
 ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200
 postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5.
 Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200
 additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
 On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
 number 4. You make $50.
 Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
 or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
 make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
 = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.
 Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1
 and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list.
 AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total
 income in one cycle = $55 500.
 From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
 the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
 ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
 AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
 a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return.
 Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
 ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five
 dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
 RETURNS.
 Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
 out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
 what are the chances of that happening?
 Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
 many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with
 COMPLETELY NEW people participating?
 There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
 OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!
 Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
 the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
 to this article easily.
 Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
 an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
 fairly. You know where your name should be.





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From: Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil>
Subject: Supercite:  Where's the mailing list?
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Hi All-

I've been reading up on using Supercite, and thought I'd subscribe to
the mailing list, but my subscribe attempt got bounced.  I sent a
message with body containing only "subscribe" to:

supercite-request@anthem.nlm.nih.gov

and it was bounced with "user unknown"

This address came from my Supercite 3.1 info file which may be old...

Anyone know if this mailing list is still around and what the right
address is?

Thanks!
-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on.
		-- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.9

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________

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Subject: XEmacs voodoo regarding libXaw.so.6
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XEmacs had been working fine for me, but when I recently tried launching
it, it wouldn't run! It kept complaining about how it couldn't open
"libXaw.so.6". I peeked into my X11 library folder to see how it was
linked, and I had it linked to libXaw3d.so.6.1 (since I use the Athena3D
widgets instead of the regular widgets.) I haven't really had a problem
with this until now. libXaw.so is alos linked to the same file.
libXaw.so.6.1 is also linked to the Athena3D library, my original Athena
library is still there (as "old-libXaw.so.6.1") but I don't use it.

Any ideas? I'm using the X11R6.1 libraries on my Linux 2.0.13 system. Do I
need to recompile XEmacs, or do I have a problem with how my system's set
up, or what?

Thanks... (Please reply via E-Mail...)

Nick Zitzmann                             http://orion.edmonds.wednet.edu/
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nickzman@eskimo.com (Nick Zitzmann) writes:
> XEmacs had been working fine for me, but when I recently tried launching
> it, it wouldn't run! It kept complaining about how it couldn't open
> "libXaw.so.6". I peeked into my X11 library folder to see how it was
> linked, and I had it linked to libXaw3d.so.6.1 (since I use the Athena3D
> widgets instead of the regular widgets.) I haven't really had a problem
> with this until now. libXaw.so is alos linked to the same file.
> libXaw.so.6.1 is also linked to the Athena3D library, my original Athena
> library is still there (as "old-libXaw.so.6.1") but I don't use it.
> 

You need to recompile libXaw3d with the libname set to libXaw.so.6.0.
Until then, you can get around the problem by pointing libXaw.so.6 to
libXaw.so.6.0, running ldconfig, and pointing libXaw3d.so.6.1 again.
You'll need to do this every time you ldconfig (possibly at boot!), so
it's a bit aof a pain and worth recompiling libXaw3d with the new
name.

TTFN,

  Sumner

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>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:


Joe> Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?  I
Joe> have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly. ...

sb> ... ilisp is Inferior Lisp mode, and runs a Lisp interpreter in an
sb> XEmacs buffer ...

Joe> It does that, is that all it's supposed to do?

Yup.  Use lisp-mode for editing lisp source files, if that's what you
were thinking of.
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Well, literally, it is Spiced Pork And Ham, a sort of cheap luncheon meat. Its relevance to
Usenet is because of the Spam Sketch from the second series of Monty Python's Flying
Circus 

This transcription 9/17/87 from "Monty Python's Previous Record" by Jonathan Partington
(jrp1@phx.cam.ac.uk) was htmlised by Robert.Goodwin@mcc.ac.uk 

A cafe. One table is occupied by a group of Vikings with horned helmets on. A man and his
wife enter. 
Man (Eric Idle):
       You sit here, dear. 
Wife (Graham Chapman in drag):
       All right. 
Man (to Waitress):
       Morning! 
Waitress (Terry Jones, in drag as a bit of a rat-bag):
       Morning! 
Man:
       Well, what've you got?
 
Waitress:
       Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and
       spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam
       spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; 
Vikings (starting to chant):
       Spam spam spam spam... 
Waitress:
       ...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans
       spam spam spam... 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! 
Waitress:
       ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner
       with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg
       on top and spam. 
Wife:
       Have you got anything without spam? 
Waitress:
       Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it. 
Wife:
       I don't want ANY spam! 
Man:
       Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage? 
Wife:
       THAT'S got spam in it! 
Man:
       Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it? 
Vikings:
       Spam spam spam spam (crescendo through next few lines) 
Wife:
       Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then? 
Waitress:
       Urgghh! 
Wife:
       What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like spam! 
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up
Man:
Man:
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon spam and sausage
       without the spam. 
Wife (shrieks):
       I don't like spam! 
Man:
       Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam
       spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam! 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up!! Baked beans are off. 
Man:
       Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then? 
Waitress:
       You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam... (but it is too late and the Vikings
       drown her words) 
Vikings (singing elaborately):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam
       spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
       Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam! 
You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 




Well, literally, it is Spiced Pork And Ham, a sort of cheap luncheon meat. Its relevance to
Usenet is because of the Spam Sketch from the second series of Monty Python's Flying
Circus 

This transcription 9/17/87 from "Monty Python's Previous Record" by Jonathan Partington
(jrp1@phx.cam.ac.uk) was htmlised by Robert.Goodwin@mcc.ac.uk 

A cafe. One table is occupied by a group of Vikings with horned helmets on. A man and his
wife enter. 
Man (Eric Idle):
       You sit here, dear. 
Wife (Graham Chapman in drag):
       All right. 
Man (to Waitress):
       Morning! 
Waitress (Terry Jones, in drag as a bit of a rat-bag):
       Morning! 
Man:
       Well, what've you got?
 
Waitress:
       Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and
       spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam
       spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; 
Vikings (starting to chant):
       Spam spam spam spam... 
Waitress:
       ...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans
       spam spam spam... 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! 
Waitress:
       ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner
       with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg
       on top and spam. 
Wife:
       Have you got anything without spam? 
Waitress:
       Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it. 
Wife:
       I don't want ANY spam! 
Man:
       Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage? 
Wife:
       THAT'S got spam in it! 
Man:
       Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it? 
Vikings:
       Spam spam spam spam (crescendo through next few lines) 
Wife:
       Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then? 
Waitress:
       Urgghh! 
Wife:
       What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like spam! 
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up
Man:
Man:
Vikings:
       Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon spam and sausage
       without the spam. 
Wife (shrieks):
       I don't like spam! 
Man:
       Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam
       spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam! 
Vikings (singing):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! 
Waitress:
       Shut up!! Baked beans are off. 
Man:
       Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then? 
Waitress:
       You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam... (but it is too late and the Vikings
       drown her words) 
Vikings (singing elaborately):
       Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam
       spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
       Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam! 
You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 

You see, when articles are indescriminately cross-posted to thousands of newsgroups, it gets
quite difficult to read anything except spam. 



Brian Bennett writes:
 > Turn a measly $5 into $50,000!
 > 
 >  Taking 5 minutes to read this text may be one of the best decisions you 
 >  ever make.
 >  I could make $50 000 within 4 weeks for an investment of only $5. I
 >  thought it was a huge joke! I spoke to my friends about it
 >  and they thought likewise. But after three days of desperate struggle
 >   I decided I had nothing to lose.
 >  My family and I sent $1 by snail mail to each of 5 names and addresses 
 >  specified in the article. We then
 >  placed our own name and address in the article and posted it in 200
 >  other newsgroups.
 >  Two weeks later, I started receiving money in the mail! I could not
 >  believe it! Hundreds of dollars turned into thousands, and in the 4
 >  weeks,
 >  I received a total of $53,654. It came from all over the world.
 >  If you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason whatsoever why the
 >  same shouldn't happen to you. This is a perfectly legitimate investment
 >  opportunity. You invest $5 and you receive a return on your investment.
 >  So does the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER - PERFECTLY
 >  LEGITIMATE!
 >  OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED, THEN DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT 
 >  PLEASE
 >  PRINT THIS ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO MAY WISH TO TAKE 
 >  ADVANTAGE.
 >  The procedure is very simple.
 >  
 > STEP 1.
 > 
 >  Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with
 >  the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or money
 >  order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the
 >  following five addresses:
 > ******************************************************************
 >  1. Nat Heatwole, 7550 Damascus Rd., Gaithersburg, MD 20882
 >  2. Jeff Katz, 7 Seir Hill Rd, #41, Norwalk, CT 06850
 >  3. Eric Johnson 14817 Holden Circle, Horizon TX, 79927
 >  4. Patrick Bryce Box 2462, Lloydminster, SK, Canada, S9V 1W5   
 >  5. Brian Bennett, 1475 Graves Ave #50, El Cajon, Ca 92021
 > ******************************************************************
 >  
 > 
 > STEP 2. 
 > 
 > Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up
 > (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number 
 > 5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply 
 > editing and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup.
 > 
 > STEP 3. 
 > 
 > Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there are
 > 17 000 of them).
 > 
 > 
 > You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start
 > receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups
 > you post to, the bigger your return will be. 
 > 
 > You may want to rent a Post Office Box to handle the volume of mail you 
 > are 
 > likely to receive.
 > If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as
 > "The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is correct!
 > NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!
 > Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES -
 >  ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200
 >  postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5.
 >  Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200
 >  additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings.
 >  On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at
 >  number 4. You make $50.
 >  Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3
 >  or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They
 >  make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings
 >  = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000.
 >  Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1
 >  and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list.
 >  AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total
 >  income in one cycle = $55 500.
 >  From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take
 >  the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT
 >  ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN
 >  AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only
 >  a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return.
 >  Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS
 >  ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five
 >  dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR
 >  RETURNS.
 >  Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played
 >  out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but
 >  what are the chances of that happening?
 >  Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how
 >  many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with
 >  COMPLETELY NEW people participating?
 >  There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
 >  OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH!
 >  Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's
 >  the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back
 >  to this article easily.
 >  Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
 >  an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing
 >  fairly. You know where your name should be.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
-- 
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Phone: 510 486 7756 (or 7830) 
FAX:   510 486 7983

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From: "Ran M. Bittmann" <bit@infogear.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem working with the browser.
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:24:26 +0200
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Hi,

 I tried to load the browser from XEmacs version 19.14. The browser is
version 02.09.12.

 I gave it the directory with my source files as the System directory,
it worked for a while, but did not identify any classes.

 My C++ files have .C and .h extensions.

 Attached are the OOBR compilation output, and the OOBR file.

 I will appreciate any help.

Thank you,
Rani.
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Here is the output from its compilation phase:
cd /users/bit/src/
make -f /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/Makefile
EMACS=/usr/local/bin/xemacs oobr-env
cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/; /usr/local/bin/xemacs -batch 
-l ./br-start.el /users/bit/src/OOBR -f br-env-batch-build
Loading /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/br-start.el...
Loading hversion...
Loading br-vers...
Loading br-init...
Loading br-site...
Loading br...
Loading br-lib...
Loading br-env...
Loading hasht...
Loading br-ftr...
Loading br-compl...
Loading set...

Compilation finished at Sun Aug 25 20:26:38

And here is the OOBR file:
(setq
br-env-version
"02.09.12"

br-sys-search-dirs
'("/users/bit/src/")

br-lib-search-dirs
'nil

br-lang-prefix
'"c++-"

br-env-spec
't

br-children-alist
'(
)

br-sys-paths-alist
'(
)

br-lib-paths-alist
'(
)

br-sys-parents-alist
'(
)

br-lib-parents-alist
'(
)
)

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: CDE Drag-n-Drop from XEmacs?
Date: 26 Aug 1996 09:52:48 +0200
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Hi!

It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions from XEmacs buffers to
other CDE applications (for example, to drag calendar appointments from a
VM window to the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement this
feature? 

/Anders

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Subject: cursor
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a simple question:

In .Xdefaults I can set the cursor colour.
How do I accomplish the same in my .emacs-file.

--
Regards,
Gran

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From: Heikki Vatiainen <hessu@house.cs.tut.fi>
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Subject: Re: PSGML mode, small suggestion
Date: 26 Aug 1996 12:32:48 +0300
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I'm using XEmacs 19.14 and psgml-html.el can be found in
xemacs-19.14/lisp/psgml/ directory (in my case
/usr/local/xemacs-19.14/lisp/psgml/).

One version I have is for Debian GNU/Linux and the other is just the
plain binary distribution from a XEmacs mirror site.

Steinar Bang <sb@brage.metis.no> writes:
> 
> Umm... what version of psgml, are you running?  And where did the file
> psgml-html.el come from?

-- 
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Thanks for the advice. The XEmacs I'm talking about is version 19.14
which already seems to have this feature. It works very well actually
and I didn't even notice it until I used a pager to view one of the
HTML-files created with XEmacs.

A flag to toggle the feature would be appreciated. Thanks for your
time.

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> Hmm.  That's a feature, and I added the extended Latin-1
> characters to iso-sgml.el for 19.15.  A better way to turn it off is
> to execute this after iso-sgml.el is loaded.
> 
> (remove-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fix-sgml2iso)
> (remove-hook 'write-file-hooks 'fix-iso2sgml)
> (remove-hook 'after-save-hook 'fix-sgml2iso)
> 
> Because it is the right thing to do, it'll still be the default, but I
> can add a flag to make it easier to turn off.

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Subject: Re: Got problems with the 'tm' package... (ver 7.79).. Help!
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ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:

> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed the tm package here in ORNET., it seems to work nice,
> but the first time I load it, I get the following message:
> (In trying to read a message containing mime)
> 
>          Autoloading failed to define function find-if

-Big Chop-

This was on the TM list:

From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Sender: daemon@chamonix.jaist.ac.jp
To: tm-eng@chamonix.jaist.ac.jp
Subject: Re: tm 7.79
Date: 24 Aug 1996 07:11:52 +0900

> tm 7.79 xemacs-19.14 failure!  Start up a new xemacs, then M-x vm
> gives:
> Signalling: (error "Autoloading failed to define function find-if")

It's a general problem, and it looks like a bug in
tl/tl-seq.el:
       (autoload 'find-if "cl")
since find-if is declared in cl-seq.el, shouldn't it be:
       (autoload 'find-if "cl-seq")
(for Emacs 19.33, XEmacs 19.14 and XEmacs 20.0).

$ diff -u tl-seq.el.orig tl-seq.el
--- tl-seq.el.orig      Thu Aug 15 23:06:43 1996
+++ tl-seq.el   Fri Aug 23 15:08:09 1996
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
 
 (cond ((file-installed-p "cl-seq.elc")
        (autoload 'find "cl")
-       (autoload 'find-if "cl")
+       (autoload 'find-if "cl-seq")
        )
       (t
        (defun find-if (pred seq)

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HTH

David Ritter
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From: Heiko Muenkel <muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de>
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Subject: Re: C-x C-b splits window and remains split
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>>>>> "Kenneth" == Kenneth W Lee <kenlee@congo.morgan.com> writes:

    Kenneth> 0 Steven_Kuzmeski x6697 B-060 <kuzmessp@pweh.com> writes:
    >> In Xemacs-19.14, when I perform a list-buffer (C-x C-b), it
    >> splits the window.  I then select a buffer using mouse-middle
    >> and the window remains split.  This is different behavior than
    >> 19.13 where split goes away after selecting a buffer.  I looked
    >> at the buff-menu.el and noticed this capability was turned off.
    >> Is there any way to set a variable, leaving it up to the user,
    >> to specify this behavior?

Try the following. It gives you more control about the Buffer menu mode.


The following two files are an extension of the Buffer-menu-mode.
At the moment it can only be used in the XEmacs 19.10 or higher.

With the first one (hm-buffer-menu.el) one can change the display
behavior of the mode. It is possible to sort the buffers in an
alphabetic order, to use the current window for the buffer menu and to
use the current window to display a mouse selected buffer in it. 

I find this more usefull than the old display behavior of the mode,
but the default behavior is the same as the old one.

The second file (hm-buffer-menu-options.el) provides menu items for 
the "Options" menu of the XEmacs as an interface for the first file.

Look at the description and installation parts of the two files.


Heiko

- ---- Start of hm-buffer-menu.el ----
;;; $Id: hm-buffer-menu.el,v 1.10 1996/04/10 21:13:40 muenkel Exp $
;;;
;;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996 Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	An extension for the file buff-menu.el. The functions in this
;;;	file changes the displaying behavior of the function
;;;	list-buffers.  The default behavior is the same as without
;;;	this file. There are 3 variables to change it.
;;;
;;;	The variable `Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window' determines
;;;	in which window a mouse selected buffer will be displayed. If
;;;	it is set to t, then the current window (the one with the
;;;	buffer-menu) is used. Otherwise the whole screen is used.
;;;
;;;	The variable `Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window' determines in
;;;	which window the buffer menu will be displayed. If it is set
;;;	to t, then the window with an existing buffer menu or the
;;;	current window will be used. Otherwise the window with an
;;;	existing buffer menu or another window (this can also split
;;;	the screen) will be used.
;;;
;;;	The variable `Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order' determines, if
;;;	the buffers in the buffer menu will be sorted in historic or
;;;	in alphabetic order.
;;; 
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;     Put this file in one of your lisp load directories (for example
;;;     lisp/packages)
;;;
;;;	Put the following command in your .emacs
;;;		(require 'hm-buffer-menu)
;;;		(setq Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window t)
;;;		(setq Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order t)
;;;		(setq Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window t)
;;;

(require 'buff-menu)

(defvar Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window nil
  "*Determines, where a buffer selected with the mouse will be displayed.
The current window is used, if this is t.")

(defvar Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window nil
  "*The buffer menu is displayed in the current window, if this is non-nil.
If there is already a window displaying a buffer menu, then that window
will be used regardless of the value of this variable.")

(defvar Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order nil
  "*The buffers are displayed in alphabetic order, if this is non-nil.")

(defun Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window (event)
  "Similar to 'Buffer-menu-mouse-select'. 
but selects the buffer in the current window."
  (interactive "e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (Buffer-menu-this-window))

(defun Buffer-menu-mouse-select-buffer (event)
  "Select buffer in the other or the current window.
That depends on the value of `Buffer-menu-mouse-select-in-this-window'."
  (interactive "e")
  (if Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window
      (Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window event)
    (Buffer-menu-mouse-select event)))

(define-key Buffer-menu-mode-map 
  'button2 
  'Buffer-menu-mouse-select-buffer)

(defmacro with-output-to-temp-buffer-in-window (arg1 &rest args)
  (let ((buffer (get-buffer arg1))
	(old-standard-output standard-output)
	(return-value nil))
    (if buffer
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer buffer)
	  (toggle-read-only)
	  (erase-buffer))
      (setq buffer (generate-new-buffer arg1)))
    (setq standard-output buffer)
    (setq return-value (eval (cons 'progn args)))
    (setq standard-output old-standard-output)
    (if (get-buffer-window buffer)
	(pop-to-buffer buffer)
      (let ((old-pop-up-windows pop-up-windows))
					;    (display-buffer buffer)
					;    (set-buffer buffer)
					;    (pop-to-buffer buffer nil)
	(setq pop-up-windows nil)
	(switch-to-buffer buffer t)
	(setq pop-up-windows old-pop-up-windows)))
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (forward-line 2)
    return-value))


(defun list-buffers-internal (output &optional predicate)
  (let ((current (current-buffer))
        (buffers (if Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order
		     (sort (buffer-list) 
			   '(lambda (buffer1 buffer2)
			      (string< (buffer-name buffer1) 
				       (buffer-name buffer2))))
		   (buffer-list))))
    (save-excursion
      (set-buffer output)
      (setq buffer-read-only nil)
      (erase-buffer)
      (buffer-disable-undo output)
      (insert list-buffers-header-line)

      (while buffers
        (let* ((col1 19)
               (buffer (car buffers))
               (name (buffer-name buffer))
	       this-buffer-line-start)
          (setq buffers (cdr buffers))
          (cond ((null name))           ;deleted buffer
                ((and predicate
                      (not (if (stringp predicate)
                               (string-match predicate name)
                               (funcall predicate buffer))))
                 nil)
                (t
                 (set-buffer buffer)
                 (let ((ro buffer-read-only)
                       (id list-buffers-identification))
                   (set-buffer output)
		   (setq this-buffer-line-start (point))
                   (insert (if (eq buffer current)
                               (progn (setq current (point)) ?\.)
                               ?\ ))
                   (insert (if (buffer-modified-p buffer)
                               ?\* 
                               ?\ ))
                   (insert (if ro
                               ?\%
                               ?\ ))
                   (if (string-match "[\n\"\\ \t]" name)
                       (let ((print-escape-newlines t))
                         (prin1 name output))
                       (insert ?\  name))
                   (indent-to col1 1)
                   (cond ((stringp id)
                          (insert id))
                         (id
                          (set-buffer buffer)
                          (condition-case e
                              (funcall id output)
                            (error
                             (princ "***" output) (prin1 e output)))
                          (set-buffer output)
                          (goto-char (point-max)))))
		 (put-nonduplicable-text-property this-buffer-line-start
						  (point)
						  'buffer-name name)
		 (put-nonduplicable-text-property this-buffer-line-start
						  (point)
						  'highlight t)
                 (insert ?\n)))))

      (Buffer-menu-mode)
      (if (not (bufferp current))
          (goto-char current)))))

(defun list-buffers (&optional files-only)
  "Display a list of names of existing buffers.
Inserts it in buffer *Buffer List* and displays that.
Note that buffers with names starting with spaces are omitted.
Non-null optional arg FILES-ONLY means mention only file buffers.

The M column contains a * for buffers that are modified.
The R column contains a % for buffers that are read-only."
  (interactive (list (if current-prefix-arg t nil)))
  (let ((with-output-to-temp-buffer-macro
	 (if Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window
	    'with-output-to-temp-buffer-in-window
	   'with-output-to-temp-buffer)))
    (eval 
     (list with-output-to-temp-buffer-macro "*Buffer List*"
	   '(save-excursion
	      (list-buffers-internal standard-output
				     (if (memq files-only '(t nil))
					 #'(lambda (b)
					     (let ((n (buffer-name b)))
					       (cond ((and (/= 0 (length n))
							   (= (aref n 0) ?\ ))
						      ;;don't mention if 
						      ;;starts with " "
						      nil)
						     (files-only
						      (buffer-file-name b))
						     (t
						      t))))
				       files-only)))))
    ))

(provide 'hm-buffer-menu)

- ---- End of hm-buffer-menu.el ----
- ---- Start of hm-buffer-menu-options.el ----
;;; $Id: hm-buffer-menu-options.el,v 1.4 1996/03/02 16:36:18 muenkel Exp $
;;;
;;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996 Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	This file installs an Options submenu to toggle and save the
;;;	options for the Buffer Menu mode. It is only useful in the
;;;	XEmacs version 19.14 or higher.
;;; 
;;;	It needs also the following file:
;;;		hm-buffer-menu.el
;;;
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;	Put this file in one of your load path directories and the
;;;	following in your ~/.emacs:
;;;		(require 'hm-buffer-menu-options)
;;;

(require 'hm-buffer-menu)

(add-submenu '("Options")
	     '("Buffer Menu"
	       ["Alphabetic Order" 
		(setq Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order 
		      (not Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order))
		:style toggle
		:selected Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order
		]
	       ["Menu In Current Window"
		(setq Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window
		      (not Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window))
		:style toggle
		:selected Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window
		]
	       ["Mouse Select This Window"
		(setq Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window
		      (not Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window))
		:style toggle
		:selected Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window
		]
	       )
	     "Frame Appearance"
	     )

(if (not (memq 'Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window options-menu-saved-forms))
    (setq options-menu-saved-forms
	  (purecopy
	   (append
	    options-menu-saved-forms
	    '(Buffer-menu-mouse-select-this-window
	      Buffer-menu-in-the-current-window
	      Buffer-menu-in-alphabetic-order)))))

(provide 'hm-buffer-menu-options)
- ---- End of hm-buffer-menu-options.el ----

- -- 

Heiko Muenkel
muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
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Hi,

we are running XEmacs on our system (3 HP700 in a 10 MBit/s network
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

    Anders> Hi!  It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions
    Anders> from XEmacs buffers to other CDE applications (for
    Anders> example, to drag calendar appointments from a VM window to
    Anders> the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement
    Anders> this feature?

The following doesn't use the drag and drop feature of CDE, but you
could insert appointments from a vm window in your CDE Calendar
Manager. It consists of 4 files.

---- cm .el ----
;;; $Id: cm.el,v 1.15 1996/07/13 10:48:59 muenkel Exp $
;;; 
;;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996 Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	This file provides an interface to Sun's calendar manager.
;;;	With the function `cm-send-appointments-from-buffer-to-cm'
;;;	one can send all appointments from the current buffer to
;;;	cm. Look at the variables:
;;;		cm-insert-command
;;;		cm-ask-for-insertation
;;;	to configure the function.
;;;
;;;	The function is very useful in the mail modes, if you receive
;;;	appointments in a mail.
;;;
;;;	You need also the files:
;;;		utils.el
;;;		hm-appt.el
;;;		diary-ins.el
;;;		calendar.el
;;;		appt.el
;;;		diary.el
;;;
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;	Put this file and also the files utils.el and hm-adapt.el in
;;;	one of your load-path directories and the following lines
;;;	(without the leading comment signs) in your ~/.emacs:
;;;	
;;;	(autoload 'cm-send-appointments-from-buffer-to-cm "cm"
;;;	  "Reads the appointments from the current buffer and send
;;;	them to the cm."
;;;	  t)
;;;
;;;	(autoload 'cm-convert-callog-to-diary "cm"
;;;	  "Converts a Sun CALLOG-FILE-NAME to a DIARY-FILE-NAME.
;;;     It converts only dates between FIRST-DATE and LAST-DATE.
;;;     FIRST-DATE and LAST-DATE are lists of the form (mm dd yyyy)."
;;;       t)
;;;
;;;
;;;	The following adds a pulldown menu in the vm mail mode in
;;;	the XEmacs:
;;;
;;;	(add-hook 'vm-menu-setup-hook 
;;;	  (lambda ()
;;;	     (require 'cm)
;;;	     (add-submenu nil
;;;			  (list "Misc" cm-send-appointments-menu)
;;;			  "XEmacs")))
;;;

(require 'utils)
(require 'calendar)
(require 'diary-ins)
(require 'hm-appt)

;;; text appointment -> cm

(defvar cm-insert-command "cm_insert"
  "Command to insert an appointment into calendar manager database.")

(defun cm-insert-appointment (date start end what &optional calendar)
  "Inserts appointments into calendar manager database.
If CALENDAR is nil, then the calendar of the user is used.
Otherwise it must have the form \"user@host\".
DATE is the date, START the start time and END the end time
of the appointment. WHAT describes the appointment.
DATE must have the form \"mm/dd/yy\".
START and END must have the form \"hh:mm\" plus an optional 
\" am\" or \" pm\". European time format is also allowed."
  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*cm*")))
    (call-process cm-insert-command
		  nil
		  buffer
		  t
		  "-d " date
		  "-s " start
		  "-e " end
		  "-w " what
		  (if calendar
		      "-c " 
		    "")
		  (if calendar
		      calendar
		    ""))))

(defvar cm-appointment-header "** Calendar Appointment **"
  "Header line, used to detect appointments.")

(defun cm-get-appointments-from-buffer ()
  "Returns a list with the calendar appointments of the current buffer.
The list is a list of alists."
  (save-excursion
    (let ((appointment-list nil)
	  (date nil)
	  (start nil)
	  (end nil)
	  (what nil)
	  (what-start nil))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (while (search-forward cm-appointment-header nil t)
	(forward-line 1)
	(search-forward-regexp "\\(Date:[ \t]*\\)\\([0-9/]+\\)")
	(setq date (buffer-substring (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
	(search-forward-regexp "\\(Start:[ \t]*\\)\\([0-9]+\\)")
	(setq start (buffer-substring (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
	(if (>= (length start) 4)
	    (setq start (concat (substring start 0 2) 
				":" 
				(substring start 2 4)))
	  (search-forward-regexp ":[0-9][0-9][ap]m")
	  (setq start (concat start
			      (buffer-substring (match-beginning 0) 
						(match-end 0)))))
	(search-forward-regexp 
	 "\\(\\(\\(End:\\)\\|\\(Stop:\\)\\)\\([ \t]*\\)\\)\\([0-9]+\\)")
	(setq end (buffer-substring (match-beginning 6) (match-end 6)))
	(if (>= (length end) 4)
	    (setq end (concat (substring end 0 2) 
			      ":" 
			      (substring end 2 4)))
	  (search-forward-regexp ":[0-9][0-9][ap]m")
	  (setq end (concat end
			    (buffer-substring (match-beginning 0) 
					      (match-end 0)))))
;	(search-forward-regexp "\\(What:[ \t]*\\)\\(\\([^\n]+\n\\)*\\)")
	(search-forward-regexp "What:[ \t]*")
	(setq what-start (match-end 0))
	(if (search-forward-regexp "\n[ \t]*\n" nil t)
	    (setq what (buffer-substring what-start (match-beginning 0)))
	  (setq what (buffer-substring what-start (point-max))))
	(setq what (util-replace-in-string " +\\|\t+" " " what))
	(setq what (util-replace-in-string "\n +" "\n" what))
	(setq appointment-list (cons (list (cons 'date date)
					   (cons 'start start)
					   (cons 'end end)
					   (cons 'what what))
				     appointment-list)))
      appointment-list)))

(defvar cm-ask-for-insertation t
  "*Non-nil => Ask if an appointment should be inserted.")

(defun cm-prompt-for-insertation (appointment)
  "Prompts, if the APPOINTMENT should be inserted or not.
Returns t, if the answer is yes and nil otherwise."
  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*appointment*"))
	)
;	(answer nil))
    (set-buffer buffer)
    (erase-buffer)
    (insert "Appointment:\n"
	    "Date : " (cdr (assq 'date appointment)) "\n"
	    "Start: " (cdr (assq 'start appointment)) "\n"
	    "End  : "
	    (if (cdr (assq 'end appointment))
		(cdr (assq 'end appointment))
	      "")
	    "\n"
	    "What : "
	    (if (cdr (assq 'what appointment))
		(cdr (assq 'what appointment))
	      "")
	    )
    (other-window 1)
    (show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame buffer)
    "Insert Appointment? "))

(defun cm-send-appointments-to-cm (appointment-list)
  "Sends the apointments from the APPOINTMENT-LIST to the cm database."
  (if appointment-list
      (save-window-excursion
	(map-y-or-n-p (if cm-ask-for-insertation
			  'cm-prompt-for-insertation
			'(lambda (arg) t))
		      '(lambda (appointment)
			 (cm-insert-appointment 
			  (cdr (assq 'date appointment))
			  (cdr (assq 'start appointment))
			  (cdr (assq 'end appointment))
			  (cdr (assq 'what appointment))))
		      (nreverse appointment-list)))))

(defun cm-appointments-from-region-to-cm ()
  "Reads the appointments from the region and send them to the cm."
  (interactive)
  (save-restriction
    (narrow-to-region (point) (mark))
    (cm-send-appointments-to-cm (cm-get-appointments-from-buffer))))

(defun cm-send-appointments-from-buffer-to-cm ()
  "Reads the appointments from the current buffer and send them to the cm."
  (interactive)
  (cm-send-appointments-to-cm (cm-get-appointments-from-buffer)))

(defalias 'cm-appointments-to-cm 'cm-send-appointments-from-buffer-to-cm)


;;; callog file -> diary file

(defvar cm-month-to-int-alist '(("Jan" . 1)
				("Feb" . 2)
				("Mar" . 3)
				("Apr" . 4)
				("May" . 5)
				("Jun" . 6)
				("Jul" . 7)
				("Aug" . 8)
				("Sep" . 9)
				("Oct" . 10)
				("Nov" . 11)
				("Dec" . 12))
  "Month converting list.")


(defun cm-get-date-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the date of the CALLOG-ENTRY in the form (mm dd yyyyy)."
  (let ((date-time-string (car (cdr (memq 'add callog-entry)))))
    (list (cdr (assoc (substring date-time-string 4 7)
		      cm-month-to-int-alist))
	  (string-to-int (substring date-time-string 8 10))
	  (string-to-int (substring date-time-string 20)))))

(defun cm-callog-entry-in-date-interval (callog-entry first-date last-date)
  "Returns t, if the CALLOG-ENTRY is in the interval.
The interval starts at FIRST-DATE and ends at LAST-DATE."
  (let ((callog-date (cm-get-date-from-callog-entry callog-entry)))
    (and 
     (or (not first-date)
	 (< (nth 2 first-date) (nth 2 callog-date)) ; year
	 (and (= (nth 2 first-date) (nth 2 callog-date)) ; year
	      (or (< (nth 0 first-date) (nth 0 callog-date)) ; month
		  (and (= (nth 0 first-date) (nth 0 callog-date)) ; month
		       (<= (nth 1 first-date) (nth 1 callog-date)) ; day 
		       ))))
     (or (not last-date)
	 (> (nth 2 last-date) (nth 2 callog-date)) ; year
	 (and (= (nth 2 last-date) (nth 2 callog-date)) ; year
	      (or (> (nth 0 last-date) (nth 0 callog-date)) ; month
		  (and (= (nth 0 last-date) (nth 0 callog-date)) ; month
		       (>= (nth 1 last-date) (nth 1 callog-date)) ; day 
		       ))))
     )))
       
(defun cm-convert-date-list-to-date-string (date-list)
  "Converts (mm dd yyyy) to \"mm/dd/yyyy\"."
  (concat (if (< (car date-list) 10)
	      "0"
	    "")
	  (int-to-string (car date-list))
	  "/"
	  (if (< (car (cdr date-list)) 10)
	      "0"
	    "")
	  (int-to-string (car (cdr date-list)))
	  "/"
	  (int-to-string (car (cdr (cdr date-list))))))

(defun cm-get-start-time-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the start time of the CALLOG-ENTRY in the form \"hh:mm\""
  (substring (car (cdr (memq 'add callog-entry))) 11 16))

(defun cm-convert-minutes-to-hours-and-minutes (minutes)
  "Converts MINUTES to hours and minutes in the form \"hh:mm\"."
  (let* ((hours (/ minutes 60))
	 (rest-minutes (- minutes (* hours 60))))
    (concat (if (< hours 10)
		"0"
	      "")
	    hours
	    ":"
	    (if (< rest-minutes 10)
		"0"
	      "")
	    rest-minutes)))

(defun cm-get-end-time-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the end time of the CALLOG-ENTRY in the form \"hh:mm\"
It reurns nil, if no end time exists"
  (if (memq 'duration: callog-entry)
      (cm-convert-minutes-to-hours-and-minutes 
       (+ (appt-convert-time  
	   (cm-get-start-time-from-callog-entry callog-entry))
	  (/ (car (cdr (memq 'duration: callog-entry))) 60)))))

(defun cm-get-what-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the \"what\" string of the CALLOG-ENTRY.
It reurns nil, if no \"what\" string is defined."
  (if (memq 'what: callog-entry)
      (car (cdr (memq 'what: callog-entry)))))

(defun cm-get-period-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the period value from the CALLOG-ENTRY.
It reurns nil, if no period value is defined."
  (if (memq 'period: callog-entry)
      (car (cdr (memq 'period: callog-entry)))))

(defun cm-get-ntimes-from-callog-entry (callog-entry)
  "Returns the ntimes value from the CALLOG-ENTRY.
It reurns nil, if no period value is defined."
  (if (memq 'ntimes: callog-entry)
      (car (cdr (memq 'ntimes: callog-entry)))))

(defun cm-convert-callog-entry-to-appointment-list (callog-entry)
  "Converts a CALLOG-ENTRY to a appointment list."
  (list (cons 'date (cm-convert-date-list-to-date-string
		     (cm-get-date-from-callog-entry callog-entry)))
	(cons 'start (cm-get-start-time-from-callog-entry callog-entry))
	(cons 'end (cm-get-end-time-from-callog-entry callog-entry))
	(cons 'what (cm-get-what-from-callog-entry callog-entry))
	(cons 'period (cm-get-period-from-callog-entry callog-entry))
	(cons 'ntimes (cm-get-ntimes-from-callog-entry callog-entry))))

(defun cm-get-callog-entries-from-buffer (first-date last-date)
  "Returns a list with the callog entries of the current buffer."
  (save-excursion
    (let ((callog-entry nil)
	  (appointment-list nil))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (search-forward "(add ")
      (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
      (while (< (point) (point-max))
	(setq callog-entry (read (current-buffer)))
	(if (cm-callog-entry-in-date-interval callog-entry
					      first-date
					      last-date)
	    (setq appointment-list
		  (cons 
		   (cm-convert-callog-entry-to-appointment-list callog-entry)
		   appointment-list))
	  )
	(skip-chars-forward " \t\n"))
      appointment-list)))

(defun cm-convert-date-string-to-date-list (date-string)
  "Converts \"mm/dd/yyyy\" or \"dd.mm.yyyy\" to (mm dd yyyy).
Returns nil, if the input format isn't correct."
  (let ((month nil)
	(day nil)
	(year nil))
    (if (= 10 (length date-string))
	(progn
	  (setq month (if (string-match "[0-9]+" (substring date-string 0 2))
			  (string-to-number (substring date-string 0 2))
			nil))
	  (setq day (if (string-match "[0-9]+" (substring date-string 3 5))
			(string-to-number (substring date-string 3 5))
		      nil))
	  (setq year (if (string-match "[0-9]+" (substring date-string 6 10))
			 (string-to-number (substring date-string 6 10))
		       nil))
	  (cond ((and (string= (substring date-string 2 3) "/")
		      (string= (substring date-string 5 6) "/")
		      month
		      year
		      day)
		 (list month day year))
		((and (string= (substring date-string 2 3) ".")
		      (string= (substring date-string 5 6) ".")
		      month
		      year
		      day)
		 (list day month year))
		(t nil))
	  ))))
  

(defun cm-read-date (prompt &optional default history)
  "Reads a date in the form \"mm/dd/yyyy\" or \"dd.mm.yyyy\" or \"nil\".
It returns the date as a list in the form (mm dd yyyy) or nil,
if \"nil\" was given as input.
It prompts with PROMPT. DEFAULT is the default date and HISTORY, 
if non-nil, specifies a history list."
  (let ((date-list nil)
	(date-string nil)
	(read-date t))
    (while read-date
      (setq date-string 
	    (read-string prompt
			 (if default
			     (cm-convert-date-list-to-date-string default))
			 history))
      (if (string= "nil" date-string)
	  (setq read-date nil)
	(setq date-list (cm-convert-date-string-to-date-list date-string))
	(if date-list
	    (setq read-date nil)
	  (beep)
	  (temp-minibuffer-message "Error: Wrong date format"))))
    date-list))

(defun cm-insert-appointment-in-diary (date start end what &optional diaryfile)
  "Insert DATE, START, END and WHAT in the DIARYFILE."
  (make-diary-entry (concat (calendar-date-string 
			     (cm-convert-date-string-to-date-list date)
			     t
			     t)
			    " "
			    start (if end "-" "")
			    (if end end "")
			    "  "
			    (if what
				(util-replace-in-string "\n" " " what)
;				(if (string= (substring what -1) "\n")
;				    (substring what 0 -1)
;				  what)
			      ""))
		    nil
		    diaryfile))

(defun cm-add-days-to-date (days date)
  "Returns the date DATE + DAYS. DATE has the form \"mm/dd/yyyy\"."
  (cm-convert-date-list-to-date-string
   (calendar-gregorian-from-absolute 
    (+ days
       (calendar-absolute-from-gregorian 
	(cm-convert-date-string-to-date-list date))))))

(defun cm-insert-appointment-ntimes-in-diary (date
					      start
					      end
					      what
					      period
					      ntimes
					      &optional diaryfile)
  "Insert DATE, START, END and WHAT in the DIARYFILE.
If PERIOD isn't 'single, then the entry is repeated ntimes."
  (cond ((eq period 'single)
	 (cm-insert-appointment-in-diary date start end what diaryfile))
	((eq period 'daily)
	 (while (> ntimes 0)
	   (setq ntimes (1- ntimes))
	   (cm-insert-appointment-in-diary date start end what diaryfile)
	   (setq date (cm-add-days-to-date 1 date))))
	((eq period 'weekly)
	 (while (> ntimes 0)
	   (setq ntimes (1- ntimes))
	   (cm-insert-appointment-in-diary date start end what diaryfile)
	   (setq date (cm-add-days-to-date 7 date))))
	(t (error "The converter doesn't support %s periodic insertation!"
		  (symbol-name period)))))

(defun cm-put-appointments-in-diary-file (appointment-list diaryfile)
  "Appends the appointments of the APPOINTMENT-LIST to the DIARYFILE."
  (if appointment-list
      (map-y-or-n-p (if cm-ask-for-insertation
			'cm-prompt-for-insertation
		      '(lambda (arg) t))
		    '(lambda (appointment)
		       (cm-insert-appointment-ntimes-in-diary
			(cdr (assq 'date appointment))
			(cdr (assq 'start appointment))
			(cdr (assq 'end appointment))
			(cdr (assq 'what appointment))
			(cdr (assq 'period appointment))
			(cdr (assq 'ntimes appointment))
			diaryfile)
		       )
		    (nreverse appointment-list))))

(defun cm-convert-callog-to-diary (callog-file-name 
				   diary-file-name 
				   first-date 
				   last-date)
  "Converts a Sun CALLOG-FILE-NAME to a DIARY-FILE-NAME.
It converts only dates between FIRST-DATE and LAST-DATE.
FIRST-DATE and LAST-DATE are lists of the form (mm dd yyyy)."
  (interactive (list (read-file-name "Callog File Name: "
				     ""
				     nil
				     t
				     (concat "/var/spool/calendar/callog."
					     (user-login-name)))
		     (read-file-name "Diary File Name: "
				     ""
				     (if (boundp 'diary-file)
					 diary-file)
				     nil
				     (if (boundp 'diary-file)
					 diary-file))
		     (cm-read-date 
		      "First Date (mm/dd/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy or nil): "
		      (calendar-current-date))
		     (cm-read-date
		      "Last Date (mm/dd/yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy or nil): "
		      nil)))
  (save-window-excursion
    (let* ((diary-buffer (find-file diary-file-name))
	   (callog-buffer (find-file-noselect callog-file-name)))
      (set-buffer callog-buffer)
      (cm-put-appointments-in-diary-file (cm-get-callog-entries-from-buffer
					  first-date
					  last-date)
					 diary-file-name)
      (set-buffer diary-buffer)
      (save-buffer))))

;;; a menu for sending appointments to cm

(defvar cm-send-appointments-menu nil
  "A menu for sending appointments to cm")

(setq cm-send-appointments-menu
      '("Insert"
	["All Appointments..." cm-send-appointments-from-buffer-to-cm t]
	["Appointments From Region..." 
	 cm-appointments-from-region-to-cm
	 (region-exists-p)]
	))

(provide 'cm)

---- cm .el ----
---- hm-appt.el ----
;;; $Id: hm-appt.el,v 1.1 1995/01/01 12:41:33 muenkel Exp muenkel $
;;;
;;; Copyright (C) 1994 Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	The standard appt.el provides no support for diary include
;;;	files. Therfore this file redefines the function
;;;	`appt-diary-entries'. This file defines also the function
;;;	`appt-initialize-appointments', which is an interactive
;;;	interface to `appt-initialize'.
;;; 
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;	Put this file in one of your lod-path directories and load it
;;;	instead of appt.el, which is called in this file.
;;;

(provide 'hm-appt)
(require 'appt)

(defun appt-initialize-appointments ()
  "Calls `appt-initialize'."
  (interactive)
  (appt-initialize)
  )

(defun appt-diary-entries ()
  (let ((list-diary-entries-hook 
	  (if (memq 'include-other-diary-files list-diary-entries-hook)
	      '(include-other-diary-files appt-make-list)
	    '(appt-make-list)))
	(diary-display-hook nil)
	(diary-list-include-blanks nil))
    ;; this will set appt-time-msg-list.
    (diary 1)
    appt-time-msg-list))
---- hm-appt.el ----
---- utils.el ----
;;; $Id: utils.el,v 1.9 1995/01/04 17:59:13 muenkel Exp $
;;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1995  Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	This file contains functions, that are used in several other
;;;	files.
;;; 
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;	Put this file in one of your lisp load directories.
;;;

(provide 'utils)


;; Clearing a buffer


(defun util-clear-buffer (buffer)
  "Functions clears the buffer."
  (interactive "bBuffername")
  (save-excursion
   (set-buffer buffer)
   (delete-region (point-min) (point-max))))


(defun util-copy-tree (tree)
  "Copies a tree. I.g. a list with all components and subcomponents."
  (car (read-from-string (format "%s" tree))))


(defun util-put-string-in-the-middle (string length)
  (if (> length (length string))
      (let* ((no-of-pre-blanks (- (/ length 2) (/ (length string) 2)))
	     (no-of-post-blanks (- length no-of-pre-blanks (length string))))
	(concat (make-string no-of-pre-blanks ? )
		string
		(make-string no-of-post-blanks ? )))
    string))


(defun util-replace-in-string (from-string 
			       to-string 
			       in-string 
			       &optional start) 
  "Replace FROM-STRING with TO-STRING in IN-STRING.
The optional argument START set the start position > 0.
FROM-STRING is a regular expression."
  (setq start (or start 0))
  (let ((start-of-from-string (string-match from-string in-string start)))
    (if start-of-from-string
	(concat (substring in-string start start-of-from-string)
		to-string
		(util-replace-in-string from-string 
					to-string 
					in-string
					(match-end 0)))
      (substring in-string start))))


(defun util-return-end-of-line ()
  "Returns the end of the current line.
The point isn't changed."
  (save-excursion
    (end-of-line)
    (point)))


(defun util-return-beginning-of-line ()
  "Returns the beginning of the current line.
The point isn't changed."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (point)))


(defun util-indent-region-according-to-mode (begin end)
  "Indents a region acording to the mode."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char end)
    (let ((number-of-lines (count-lines begin (point)))
	  (line 0))
      (goto-char begin)
      (while (< line number-of-lines)
	(setq line (1+ line))
	(indent-according-to-mode)
	(forward-line)))))


(defun util-rassoc (key list)
  "Return non-nil if KEY is `equal' to the cdr of an element of LIST.
The value is actually the element of LIST whose cdr is KEY."
  (cond ((not list) nil)
	((equal (car (cdr (car list))) key) (car list))
	(t (util-rassoc key (cdr list)))))


(defun util-toggle-truncate-lines (&optional arg)
  "Change whether the lines in this buffer are truncated.
With ARG, set `truncate-lines' to t, if ARG is positive."
  (interactive "P")
  (if arg
      (if (>= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	  (setq truncate-lines t)
	(setq truncate-lines nil))
    (if truncate-lines
	(setq truncate-lines nil)
      (setq truncate-lines t))))


---- utils.el ----
---- cm-edit-appointment.el ----
;;; $Id: cm-edit-appointment.el,v 1.2 1996/03/02 14:58:24 muenkel Exp $
;;;
;;; Copyright (C) 1996 Heiko Muenkel
;;; email: muenkel@tnt.uni-hannover.de
;;;
;;;  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;;  it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;;  the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;;;  any later version.
;;;
;;;  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;;  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;;  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;;  GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;;  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;;  along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;;  Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; 
;;; Description:
;;;
;;;	This package provides the command 
;;;	`cm-edit-insert-appointment' for inserting appointments
;;;	in a (mail compose) buffer.
;;; 
;;; Installation: 
;;;   
;;;	Put this file in one of your lisp load path directories and
;;;	the following in your .emacs:
;;;		(autoload 'cm-edit-insert-appointment
;;;			  "cm-edit-appointment"
;;;			  "Inserts a SUN calendar appointment template 
;;;			   in the current buffer."
;;;			  t)
;;;
;;;	You can add an entry to the mail compose pulldown and popup
;;;	menu with:
;;;		(autoload 'cm-edit-add-pulldown-menu-item
;;;		  	"cm-edit-appointment"
;;;			"Adds an item for `cm-edit-insert-appointment' 
;;;			to the menu \"Mail\"."
;;;			nil)
;;;			(add-hook `mail-setup-hook
;;;			'cm-edit-add-pulldown-menu-item)
;;;
;;;	Alternative you can add only an entry to the vm mail compose 
;;;	popup menu in the xemacs with:
;;;		(autoload 'cm-edit-add-popup-menu-item
;;;			  "cm-edit-appointment"
;;;		          "Adds an item for `cm-edit-insert-appointment' 
;;;		           to the popup menu."
;;;			  nil)
;;;		(add-hook `vm-mail-hook 
;;;	           	  'cm-edit-add-popup-menu-item)


(defvar cm-edit-date-history nil
  "History list for the input of the appointment date.")

(defun cm-edit-read-date ()
  "Reads the date for the appointment."
  (read-string "Date: "
	       "10/27/1961"
	       'cm-edit-date-history))

(defun cm-edit-read-time (prompt history-list empty-string-allowed)
  "Reads a time string."
  (let ((time-string "1400")
	(invalid t)
	(prompt-1 prompt))
    (while invalid
      (setq time-string (read-string prompt-1 time-string history-list))
      (if (or (and empty-string-allowed
		   (= 0 (length time-string)))
	      (and (= 4 (length time-string))
		   (string= (int-to-string (string-to-int time-string)) 
			    time-string)
		   (<= (string-to-int (substring time-string 0 2)) 23)
		   (>= (string-to-int (substring time-string 0 2)) 0)
		   (<= (string-to-int (substring time-string 2 4)) 59)
		   (>= (string-to-int (substring time-string 2 4)) 0)))
	  (setq invalid nil)
	(setq prompt-1 (concat "Invalid format, try again. " prompt))))
    time-string))

(defvar cm-edit-start-history nil
  "History list for the input of the appointment start time.")

(defun cm-edit-read-start ()
  "Reads the start time for the appointment."
  (cm-edit-read-time "Start: " 'cm-edit-start-history nil))

(defvar cm-edit-end-history nil
  "History list for the input of the appointment end time.")

(defun cm-edit-read-end ()
  "Reads the end time for the appointment."
  (cm-edit-read-time "End: " 'cm-edit-end-history t))

(defvar cm-edit-what-history nil
  "History list for the input of the what string of the appointment .")

(defun cm-edit-read-what ()
  "Reads the what string for the appointment."
  (read-string "What: " "Meeting" 'cm-edit-what-history))

(defun cm-edit-insert-appointment (date start end what)
  "Inserts a SUN calendar appointment template in the current buffer."
  (interactive (list (cm-edit-read-date)
		     (cm-edit-read-start)
		     (cm-edit-read-end)
		     (cm-edit-read-what)))
  (insert "\n\t** Calendar Appointment **\n"
	  "\n"
	  "\tDate:\t" date "\n"
	  "\tStart:\t" start "\n"
	  "\tEnd:\t" end "\n"
	  "\tWhat:\t" what "\n"))

(defun cm-edit-add-popup-menu-item ()
  "Adds an item for `cm-edit-insert-appointment' to the popup menu."
  (setq mode-popup-menu 
	(append mode-popup-menu
		'(["Insert Appointment..." cm-edit-insert-appointment t]))))

(defun cm-edit-add-pulldown-menu-item ()
  "Adds an item for `cm-edit-insert-appointment' to the menu \"Mail\"."
  (add-menu-button '("Mail")
		   ["Insert Appointment..." cm-edit-insert-appointment t]
		   "Insert File..."))

(provide 'cm-edit-appointment)
---- cm-edit-appointment.el ----

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I've installed tm7.78 for mime support in gnus and vm in XEmacs, but am
having troubles sending messages with a base64 attachment.  When I hit
"\C-c\C-c" to send the file, I get an error with the following traceback:

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)
  mime-editor/normalize-body()
  mime-editor/translate-region(116 369 "Multipart_Mon_Aug_26_09:47:39_1996-=
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  mime-editor/translate-body()
  run-hooks(mime-editor/translate-buffer-hook)
  byte-code("=8A=C0=C1!)=87" [run-hooks mime-editor/translate-buffer-hook] =
2)
  mime-editor/translate-buffer()
  mime-editor/exit(nil t)
  mime-editor/maybe-translate()
  run-hooks(mail-send-hook)
  mail-send()
  mail-send-and-exit(nil)
  call-interactively(mail-send-and-exit)

This happens both in message mode and in mail mode.  Has anyone come across
this problem before?

System details:
=09Solaris 2.4
=09XEmacs 19.14
=09Gnus 5.2.39
=09VM (as packaged with XEmacs)

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I use the following little snip to lookup words on a webster-URL,
directly from a buffer.


in '.emacs':

   (global-set-key [C-S-mouse-3] 'klikk-webster-ord)
   (autoload 'klikk-webster-ord "webster" "" t)


in 'webster.el' ive got:

   (defun klikk-webster-ord (event)
     (interactive "e")
     (let* ((ord
	     (save-excursion
	       (mouse-set-point event)
	       (current-word))))
       (lookup-webster ord)))

   (defun webster (ord)
     (interactive "sOrd som skal sls opp: ")
     (lookup-webster ord))

   (defun lookup-webster (ord)
     (let ((curwin (current-window-configuration))
	   (webster-addr
              (concat "http://c.gp.cs.cmu.edu:5103/prog/webster?"
                       ord)))
       (set-window-configuration curwin)
       (if (not (equal ord ""))
	   (progn
	     (prin1 (concat "Slr opp: " (upcase ord)))
	     (browse-url-netscape webster-addr)
	     (call-process "netscape" nil 0 nil
                           "-noraise" "-remote"
			   (concat "openURL(" webster-addr ")")))
	 (prin1 "No word found at mouse-point..."))))


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On 25 Aug 1996 21:28:32 -0700, Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:
>Joe> Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?  I
>Joe> have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly. ...

>sb> ... ilisp is Inferior Lisp mode, and runs a Lisp interpreter in an
>sb> XEmacs buffer ...
>
>Joe> It does that, is that all it's supposed to do?

Another person who wants EMACS to be a Lisp Machine...

Franz Allegro running on Unix has a nice interface to EMACS, the FI
package.  Most of our former Symbolics hacks have adapted to it nicely.
It even has META-dot.

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Can anyone point me to a good idl-mode for XEmacs?  Specifically, I'll
be using Orbix 2.x.

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I am using tm7.78 with vm (default ver that comes with xemacs 19.14) and 
I have one smaill problem. When I read a MIME message, tm puts the buffer in 
read-only mode, so I can;t use the vm commands to get back to the summary
mode without doing a C-k RET. I tried 'q' but it doesn't respond. Does anyone
know a workaround for this problem?. If I could retain  all vm keys bindings
when I go to read a MIME message, that would be great.

Thanks in advance.

--mpm.

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In article <m24tlqzs3y.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

\\ >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Novosel <jnovosel@cc.gatech.edu> writes:
\\ 
\\ 
\\ Joe> Is there anyone who uses the ilisp package with xemacs 19.14?  I
\\ Joe> have it but it doesn't seem to work correctly. ...
\\ 
\\ sb> ... ilisp is Inferior Lisp mode, and runs a Lisp interpreter in an
\\ sb> XEmacs buffer ...
\\ 
\\ Joe> It does that, is that all it's supposed to do?
\\ 
\\ Yup.  Use lisp-mode for editing lisp source files, if that's what you
\\ were thinking of.

Not quite, ilisp does provide a rather extensive interface to the
underlying lisp process. It also adds in a much nicer indenting facility
than the default lisp-mode one. The only complaint I have is that the keys
for tags-* operations are remapped.

Sunil

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[Emailed & Posted]
>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

Kevin> Hi All-
Kevin> I've been reading up on using Supercite, and thought I'd subscribe to
Kevin> the mailing list, but my subscribe attempt got bounced.

The SuperCite list has moved.  Try `supercite-request@python.org'.  It
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From: Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com>
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Do you know from where can I download a printable version of
emacs documents (oo-browser for instance). PostScript version is
better for me.
Is there anyway I can printout the whole info tree? I mean allow
print to follow the links.

Thanks,
Chabane


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In-Reply-To: Your message of "26 Aug 96 07:48:58 EDT."
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From: Dave Gillespie <daveg@synaptics.com>

> --- tl-seq.el.orig      Thu Aug 15 23:06:43 1996
> +++ tl-seq.el   Fri Aug 23 15:08:09 1996
> @@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
>  
>  (cond ((file-installed-p "cl-seq.elc")
>         (autoload 'find "cl")
> -       (autoload 'find-if "cl")
> +       (autoload 'find-if "cl-seq")
>         )
>        (t
>         (defun find-if (pred seq)

Hey, what's going on here?  You guys are bending over backwards to
avoid just saying "(require 'cl)" --- why?

It is a bad idea to put explicit references to the component files
of the CL package in your programs.  What if `find-if' moved somewhere
else in a later version?  The main file, "cl.el", contains all the
autoloads for the functions located in the other files.

Why not this:

    (cond ((file-installed-p "cl-seq.elc")
	   (require 'cl))
	  (t
	   (defun find-if (pred seq)

In fact, the new CL package has shipped with both Emacs and XEmacs
for years.  XEmacs even preloads it now.  Is it still necessary for
Lisp packages to provide their own substitutes for CL functions?

								-- Dave

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I remember something like this happening to me for a while. I played
around with the auto-raise module's number of ms for raising setting.

I can't get it to happen again but here are my conditions now:

fvwm 2.0.42 on Solaris 2.4 on a Sparc 5
ColormapFocus followsfocus
# no other focus settings in my ~/.fvwmc. defaults focus follows mouse
+                       "Auto-Raise"    Module  FvwmAuto 500

Hope this helps



In article <199608221426.RAA01177@merlin.ornet.co.il>,
	ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> The problem I have is that fvwm hides the vertical sub-menu displayed
> by XEmacs, just after it is opened.. Any hints how to solve this?
> (e.g., from the horizontal main menu-bar, you select the Help
> sub-menu, and this displays a vertical sub-menu, which is shortly hidden
> by fvwm)
> 
> I know that this is not properly XEmacs... but can someone help me
> with fvwm? (I'm new in fvwm).
> 
> TIA..
> 
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I have a fortran progam I'm disecting that I want to fontify
in color, but I'm getting a buffer too large message.  Xemacs
19.13 did this fine on the same file that is just short of 
10,000 lines.  Why does Xemacs19.14 fail to do this, and how 
can I fix it?

Lynn

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From: falcons!pjarvis@uunet.uu.net (J. Pitts Jarvis III)
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Subject: asynchronous process and changes to process-status
Date: 26 Aug 1996 16:14:58 -0700
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I have observed changes in the behavior of the process-status function
since xemacs-19.12.  I am using a SPARCstation 20, running on SunOS
Release 4.1.3

The xx-lpr, command implemented in code below, demonstrates this
change.

xx-lpr works without any problems in xemacs-19.12.

After xemacs-19.12, executing xx-lpr produces an infinite loop.

xemacs-19.13 returns to the command loop when I type ^G.

xemacs-19.14 won't even echo the ^G with a beep; no recovery is
possible.

Are these changes bugs or features?

Thanks.

;;;===========================================================================
;;; xemacs 19.14 process hang
(setq xx-header "%!PS-Adobe\n")
(setq xx-body "clippath pathbbox moveto lineto stroke\n")
(setq xx-tail (if t "" "showpage\n"))	; save the trees
(setq xx-switches nil)

(defun xx-lpr ()
(interactive)
(let (xx-process xx-buffer (process-name "xx-process"))
  (unwind-protect
      (progn
	(setq
	 xx-process
	 (apply				;xx-switches might be nil
	  'start-process
	  process-name
	  xx-buffer
	  "lpr"
	  (if xx-switches (list xx-switches))))
	(if (not (processp xx-process))
	    (message "process fails")
	  (message "%s" (prin1-to-string xx-process))
	  (xx-print xx-header xx-body xx-tail)
	  (xx-finish)))
    (if xx-process
	(message "xx-unwind %s" (prin1-to-string xx-process)))
    (if (processp xx-process) (delete-process xx-process))
    (setq xx-process nil))))

(defun xx-print (&rest s)
(while s
  (process-send-string xx-process (car s))
  (setq s (cdr s))))

(defun xx-format (&rest v) (xx-print (apply (function format) v)))

(defun xx-finish () 
(if (processp xx-process)
    (let (s err (n 0))
      (process-send-eof xx-process)
      (while (not (eq (setq s (process-status xx-process)) 'exit))
	(message
	 "%d %s(%s)"
	 (setq n (1+ n))
	 (prin1-to-string xx-process)
	 (prin1-to-string s))
	;; (sit-for 1 t)	; unnecessary for xemacs-19.12
	;; after xemacs-19.12 omitting the sit-for results in infinite loop
	;; xemacs-19.13 => ^G returns to command loop
	;; xemacs-19.14 => recovery impossible, ^G not even echoed
	)
      (message "%d %s" n (prin1-to-string xx-process))
      (setq xx-process nil))))

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>>>>> "Heikki" == Heikki Vatiainen <hessu@house.cs.tut.fi> writes:

Heikki> Thanks for the advice. The XEmacs I'm talking about is version 19.14
Heikki> which already seems to have this feature. It works very well actually
Heikki> and I didn't even notice it until I used a pager to view one of the
Heikki> HTML-files created with XEmacs.

The conversions done in iso-sgml.el in XEmacs 19.14 do not include the
proposed extensions to Latin-1 encodings.  In 19.15 it will.  Sorry
for not being clearer.

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I am running lemacs19.13 on a SUN SS20 running 4.1.3_U1. When 
I bring up lemacs, I am unable to COPY/CUT and PASTE from the 
lemacs window to the 'mailtool' window or any other window.
Basically, I am unable to use the functions. I have tried 
using the COPY/PASTE keys as well as the pull-down mwnu, 
but have the same problem. I am using Openwindows. MWM
doesn't seem help either. Do you think it's a problem 
with the dot files or the system files ?.

Can someone help me !

Thanks a ton. Please e-mail to gks@cadence.com or 
post reply to newsgroup.

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goma0002@rz03.FH-Karlsruhe.DE (Martin Goik) writes:

> -Maybe I didnt read the FAQ thoroughly enough. If you are using W3 and
> try to follow a bad (i.e no longer exiistent) link W3 hangs till
> infinity. In a typical WWW browser you simply click on a "stop"
> button. Is there a similar capabilytiy in W3 or at least a configurable
> timeout ? -

  Try just using C-g.  Unfortunately, this doesn't work if you are in the
  middle of a blocking connect() call down in the C-code, because we slow
  down interrupts.  I'd love to see a nonblocking connect as an option,
  but...

  Oh well, I'm planning on rewriting large chunks of W3 to be in C once you
  can dynamically load new C code.

-Bill P.

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cmalone6@sld024.cpd.ford.com (Craig Maloney) writes:

> On 8 Aug 1996 01:12:44 GMT in comp.emacs.xemacs Padma Indraganti (padmai@isi.edu) wrote:

> : I run Xemacs 19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3. When I change the font size
> : and weight and choose "Save Options" in the Options menu, as the 
> : manual advises, the options never get changed. The old .emacs file is 
> : exactly the same as the new one. NO change in xemacs-options. Am I 
> : doing something wrong? how can I save the options?
> : Is there a postscript version of the Xemacs manual available for 
> : printing? I could not find the answer to this in the FAQ.

> Padma:

> I am experiencing the same problem with RedHat 3.0.3 (Kernel 2.0.9) and Xemacs
> 19.14. It keeps defaulting to that (ugly) courier font. 


I've found that if I move the code XEmacs inserts into my .emacs file
to load the .xemacs-options file to the top of my .emacs instead of at
the bottom, the options worked much better.  I never looked into it
further to figure out why.

Scott

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From: Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk>
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Anthony Rossini <rossini@urn.math.sc.edu> wrote:
> I was wondering if there was any Web/literate programming modes
> for XEmacs (Emacs will do... :-) which support multiple minor modes
> for the different chunks of code (I'm thinking of nuweb or noweb).
[...]  
> The current set up for the nuweb (noweb?) mode that I've seen/used, 
> will allow for one mode for the text/documentation chunks (ala LaTeX 
> mode) and one mode for the code chunks (ala cc-mode, OR sas-mode, OR 
> S-mode, but not a nice mixture of all three).   

nuweb-mode by Dominique de Waleffe <ddw@sunbim.be> allows for
different minor modes for the code chunks and is supposed to work
with AUCTeX as the mode for the documentation. You should be able
to find nuweb-mode on the elisp archives.

Nuweb-mode doesn't do any "font-lock" or "hilit" things, so don't
use that unless you like your code highlighted like (La)TeX code :-)

Regards,

Jacob
--
Jacob Nielsen
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URL: http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob/

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Hi,

When I'm trying to read big mail-folders (with more than 80 messages),
(one time in eight) I get a blank Frame, only with the toolbar and main
menubar.., (Sometimes only the menubar).
- I thought that this takes time to refresh, so I waited...had a huge mug of
  coffee...  but nothing happens even after 10 minutes...
- Checking on the process status of my Unix box, and XEmacs is
  sleeping. (Nor running)
- I'm able to change between VM and XEmacs from the menubar, but no
  minibuffer is shown, even no modeline!.
- C-g doesn't help, only the sound is played, but nothing else happens.
- I'm not able to display any other buffer/or message in the
  minibuffer.. (e.g. C-h l)

All worked nice, till I had installed TM few days ago.

This is my TM setup: (from my ~/.emacs)

  ...
  (load "mime-setup")
  ...

  (bbdb-insinuate-vm)

  ;
  ; TM package
  ;
 
  (require 'tm-vm)
     (call-after-loaded
         'tm-view
         (function
            (lambda ()
               (require 'tm-pgp)
            )))


Any hints?


Have a nice day!

TIA


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andersvi@ulrik.uio.no (Anders Vinjar) writes:
> 
> I use the following little snip to lookup words on a webster-URL,
> directly from a buffer.
> 
> 
> in '.emacs':
> 
>    (global-set-key [C-S-mouse-3] 'klikk-webster-ord)
> ...

This is very cool, but to get it to work in XEmacs 19.14 I needed to
alter this line to

      (global-set-key [(control shift button3)] 'klikk-webster-ord)

-chris-

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From: dron@fintel.msk.su (Andrey A. Aristarkhov)
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There are 2 attachments:
insert font-lock.el code into corresponded file or to your .emacs file.
Put the idl-mode.el to $EMACSHOME/lisp/modes directory and compile it.

Add the follows lines to your $EMACSHOME/default.el file, or
to your .emacs file:

(auto-load 'idl-mode "idl-mode" "<any comment>" t)

Add the follows lines to your .emacs file:

(add-hook 'idl-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

;; Use IDL mode for CORBA IDL files
(setq auto-mode-alist   (append '(("\\.idl$" . idl-mode))
auto-mode-alist))

Known bugs: TAB does not works.

Any patches?

Best regards,

Andrey A. Aristarkhov,
Software department,
Fintel, Moscow.
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;;; idl-mode.el --- major mode for editing IDL code
;;; (changed cc-mode.el)

;; Authors: 1992 Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us>
;;          1987 Dave Detlefs and Stewart Clamen
;;          1985 Richard M. Stallman
;; Maintainer: cc-mode-help@anthem.nlm.nih.gov
;; Created: a long, long, time ago. adapted from the original c-mode.el
;; Version:         4.85
;; Last Modified:   1994/09/08 14:27:45
;; Keywords: C++ C Objective-C editing major-mode

;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Barry A. Warsaw
;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------
;; Changed for idl-mode by Andrey A. Aristarkhov, Fintel, Moscow
;; E-mail:        dron@fintel.msk.su
;; Version:       1.0
;; Last Modified: 02/14/1996
;; Known bugs: TAB does not work.

;; vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
(require 'font-lock)
(require 'cc-mode)
(provide 'idl-mode)


(defvar idl-mode-hook nil
  "*Hook called by `idl-mode'.")

(defvar idl-mode-common-hook nil
  "*Hook called by `idl-mode' during common init.")

(defvar idl-mode-menu
  '(["Comment Out Region"     comment-region (mark)]
    ["Macro Expand Region"    c-macro-expand (mark)]
    ["Backslashify"           c-backslash-region (mark)]
    ["Indent Expression"      c-indent-exp
     (memq (following-char) '(?\( ?\[ ?\{))]
    ["Indent Line"            c-indent-command t]
    ["Fill Comment Paragraph" c-fill-paragraph t]
    ["Up Conditional"         c-up-conditional t]
    ["Backward Conditional"   c-backward-conditional t]
    ["Forward Conditional"    c-forward-conditional t]
    ["Backward Statement"     c-beginning-of-statement t]
    ["Forward Statement"      c-end-of-statement t]
    ["Mark function"          c-mark-function t]
    ["Indent region"          indent-region t]
    )
  "XEmacs 19 (formerly Lucid) menu for IDL modes.")

(defvar idl-mode-abbrev-table nil
  "Abbrev table in use in idl-mode buffers.")
(define-abbrev-table 'idl-mode-abbrev-table ())

(defun idl-mode-fsf-menu (name map)
  ;; Add FSF menu to a keymap.  FSF menus suck.  Don't add them for
  ;; XEmacs. This feature test will fail on other than FSF's Emacs 19.
  (condition-case nil
      (progn
	(define-key map [menu-bar] (make-sparse-keymap))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c] (cons name (make-sparse-keymap)))

	(define-key map [menu-bar c comment-region]
	  '("Comment Out Region" . comment-region))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c c-macro-expand]
	  '("Macro Expand Region" . c-macro-expand))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c c-backslash-region]
	  '("Backslashify" . c-backslash-region))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indent-exp]
	  '("Indent Expression" . c-indent-exp))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indent-line]
	  '("Indent Line" . c-indent-command))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c fill]
	  '("Fill Comment Paragraph" . c-fill-paragraph))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c up]
	  '("Up Conditional" . c-up-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c backward]
	  '("Backward Conditional" . c-backward-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c forward]
	  '("Forward Conditional" . c-forward-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c backward-stmt]
	  '("Backward Statement" . c-beginning-of-statement))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c forward-stmt]
	  '("Forward Statement" . c-end-of-statement))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c markfunc]
	  '("Mark function" . c-mark-function))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indreg]
	  '("Indent regiion" . indent-region))

	;; RMS: mouse-3 should not select this menu.  mouse-3's global
	;; definition is useful in C mode and we should not interfere
	;; with that.  The menu is mainly for beginners, and for them,
	;; the menubar requires less memory than a special click.
	t)
    (error nil)))

(defvar idl-mode-syntax-table nil
  "Syntax table used in idl-mode buffers.")
(if idl-mode-syntax-table
    ()
  (setq idl-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table))
  (c-populate-syntax-table idl-mode-syntax-table)
  ;; add extra comment syntax
  (cond
   ((memq '8-bit c-emacs-features)
    ;; XEmacs (formerly Lucid) has the best implementation
    (modify-syntax-entry ?/  ". 1456" idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?*  ". 23"   idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table)
    ;; Give CR the same syntax as newline, for selective-display
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\^m "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table))
   ((memq '1-bit c-emacs-features)
    ;; FSF Emacs 19 does things differently, but we can work with it
    (modify-syntax-entry ?/  ". 124b" idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?*  ". 23"   idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table)
    ;; Give CR the same syntax as newline, for selective-display
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\^m "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table))
   )
  ;; TBD: does it make sense for colon to be symbol class in C++?
  ;; I'm not so sure, since c-label-key is busted on lines like:
  ;; Foo::bar( i );
  ;; maybe c-label-key should be fixed instead of commenting this out,
  ;; but it also bothers me that this only seems appropriate for C++
  ;; and not C.
  ;;(modify-syntax-entry ?: "_" c++-mode-syntax-table)
  )

(defvar idl-mode-map ()
  "Keymap used in idl-mode buffers.")

(if idl-mode-map
    ()
  ;; In Emacs 19, it makes more sense to inherit c-mode-map
  (if (memq 'v19 c-emacs-features)
      ;; XEmacs (formerly Lucid) and FSF Emacs 19 do this differently
      (if (not (fboundp 'set-keymap-parent))
	  (setq idl-mode-map (cons 'keymap c-mode-map))
	(setq idl-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap))
	(set-keymap-parent idl-mode-map c-mode-map))
    ;; Do it the hard way for Emacs 18 -- given by JWZ
    (setq idl-mode-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) c-mode-map)))
  ;; add bindings which are only useful for C++
  (define-key idl-mode-map "\C-i:"  'c-scope-operator)
  (define-key idl-mode-map "TAB"  [tab])
  ;; FSF Emacs 19 defines menus in the mode map. This call will return
  ;; t on FSF Emacs 19, otherwise no-op and return nil.
  (c-mode-fsf-menu "IDL" idl-mode-map))

(defun idl-mode ()
  "Major mode for editing IDL code.
idl-mode Revision: 1.0

The hook variable `idl-mode-hook' is run with no args, if that
variable is bound and has a non-nil value.

Key bindings:
\\{IDL-mode-map}"
  (interactive)
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (set-syntax-table idl-mode-syntax-table)
  (setq major-mode 'idl-mode
	mode-name "IDL"
	local-abbrev-table idl-mode-abbrev-table
	;; should be set before c-common-init call
	c-recognize-knr-p nil)
  (use-local-map idl-mode-map)
  (c-common-init)
  (setq comment-start "// "
	comment-end ""
	c-conditional-key c-C++-conditional-key
	c-comment-start-regexp "//\\|/\\*"
	c-class-key c-C++-class-key
	c-access-key c-C++-access-key)
  (run-hooks 'idl-mode-hook))

;; menus for XEmacs (formerly Lucid)
(defun idl-popup-menu (e)
  "Pops up the IDL menu."
  (interactive "@e")
  (popup-menu (cons (concat mode-name " Mode Commands") idl-mode-menu))
  (c-keep-region-active))

(provide 'idl-mode)
;;; idl-mode.el ends here
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;; Added by Andrey A. Aristarkhov, Fintel, Moscow, 2/12/96.
;; Patches for font-lock.el for use with idl-mode (CORBA 2.0)
(defconst idl-font-lock-keywords nil
 "For consideration as a value of `idl-font-lock-keywords'.
This does a lot more highlighting.")

(defconst idl-font-lock-keywords-1 nil
 "For consideration as a value of `idl-font-lock-keywords'.
This does fairly subdued highlighting.")

(defconst idl-font-lock-keywords-2 nil
 "For consideration as a value of `idl-font-lock-keywords'.
This does a lot more highlighting.")

;;;;;;;;;;;;

(let ((ctoken "\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+")
			(storage "opaque\\|interface\\|module\\|union\\|attribute")
      (prefixes "unsigned\\|const\\|in\\|out\\|inout\\|")
      (types (concat "short\\|long\\|char\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|struct\\|string\\|octet\\|"
		     "enum\\|typedef\\|any\\|Object\\|sequence\\|boolean\\|FALSE\\|TRUE"))
      (idl-types (concat "readonly\\|oneway"))
      idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-1
      idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-2
      )

  (setq idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-1 (purecopy
   (list
    ;; fontify preprocessor directives as comments.
    '("^#[ \t]*[a-z]+" . font-lock-comment-face)
    ;;
    ;; fontify names being defined.
    '("^#[ \t]*\\(define\\|undef\\)[ \t]+\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\)+\\)" 2
      font-lock-function-name-face)
    ;;
    ;; fontify other preprocessor lines.
    '("^#[ \t]*\\(if\\|ifn?def\\|elif\\)[ \t]+\\([^\n]+\\)"
      2 font-lock-function-name-face t)
    ;;
    ;; fontify the filename in #include <...>
    ;; don't need to do this for #include "..." because those were
    ;; already fontified as strings by the syntactic pass.
    ;; (Changed to not include the <> in the face, since "" aren't.)
    '("^#[ \t]*include[ \t]+<\\([^>\"\n]+\\)>" 1 font-lock-string-face)
    ;;
    ;; fontify the names of functions being defined.
    ;; I think this should be fast because it's anchored at bol, but it's not.
    (list (concat
	   "^[ \t]\\(" ctoken "[ \t]+\\)?"	; type specs; there can be no
	   "\\(" ctoken "[ \t]+\\)?"	; more than 3 tokens, right?
	   "\\(" ctoken "[ \t]+\\)?"
	   "\\([*&]+[ \t]*\\)?"		; pointer
	   "\\(" ctoken "\\)[ \t]*(")	; name
	  8 'font-lock-function-name-face)
    ;;
    ;; Fontify structure names (in structure definition form).
    (list (concat "\\(typedef[ \t]+struct\\|struct\\)"
		  "[ \t]+\\(" ctoken "\\)[ \t]*\\(\{\\|$\\)")
	  2 'font-lock-function-name-face)

    ;;
    ;; Fontify case clauses.  This is fast because its anchored on the left.
    '("case[ \t]+\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\)+\\):". 1)
    '("\\<\\(default\\):". 1)
    )))

  (setq idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-2 (purecopy
   (list
     ;;
     ;; fontify all storage classes and type specifiers
     (cons (concat "\\<\\(" storage "\\)\\>") 'font-lock-type-face)
     (cons (concat "\\<\\(" types "\\)\\>") 'font-lock-type-face)
     (cons (concat "\\<\\(" prefixes "[ \t]+" types "\\)\\>")
	   'font-lock-type-face)

    ;; fontify extra idl storage type specifiers
    (cons (concat "\\<\\(" idl-types "\\)\\>") 'font-lock-type-face)

     ;;
     ;; fontify all builtin tokens
     (cons (concat
	    "[\t ]\\("
	    (mapconcat 'identity
	     '( "case" "switch" "default" )
	     "\\|")
	    "\\)[ \t\n(){};,]")
	   1)
     ;; Fontify variables declared with structures, or typedef names.
     '("}[ \t*]*\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\)+\\)[ \t]*[,;]"
       1 font-lock-function-name-face)

    ;; fontify the interface/module/union/attribute names only in the definition
    (list (concat "interface[ \t]+" ctoken "[ \t\n{: ;]") 1
	  'font-lock-function-name-face)
    (list (concat "module[ \t]+" ctoken "[ \t\n{: ;]") 1
	  'font-lock-function-name-face)
    (list (concat "union[ \t]+" ctoken "[ \t\n{: ;]") 1
	  'font-lock-function-name-face)
    (list (concat "attribute[ \t]+" ctoken "[ \t\na-zA_Z]") 1
	  'font-lock-function-name-face)

    ;; fontify extra idl builtin tokens
    (cons (concat
	   "[\t ]\\("
	   (mapconcat 'identity
		      '("raises" "context" "exception")
		      "\\|")
	   "\\)[ \t\n(){};,]")
	  1)
		)))

  (setq idl-font-lock-keywords-1 (purecopy
   (append idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-1)))

  (setq idl-font-lock-keywords-2 (purecopy
   (append idl-font-lock-keywords-1
	   idl-font-lock-keywords-internal-2)))
)

(defconst idl-font-lock-keywords idl-font-lock-keywords-2
  "Additional expressions to highlight in IDL mode.")



(provide 'font-lock)
;;; font-lock.el ends here


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Jens Krinke writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > my XEmacs sometimes `stopped' in endless loops while looking at mail
 > or news.  First, I tracked it down to `tm' (removing it cured the
 > problem).  After trying a new version of tm, I forced a core dump of
 > the `stopped' xemacs (the new version didn't cure the problem).
 > The core dump showed `set_image_attached_to' as (almost) topmost
 > function. My configuration was:
 > 
 > --with-sound=both --dynamic --with-dialogs=athena --cflags=-O2
 > no zlib, png and compfaces support.
 > 
 > Further examination revealed that xemacs is stopping when looking at
 > messages with faces.
 > 
 > Now, after installing zlib, png and compfaces support, I haven't
 > encountered the `endless loop' problem again.
 > 
 > Hope that helps :-)
 > 
 > Jens

Ahh

I've been having the same prob ! (most reproducable with mails from
Steven Bauer) (but only because he posts a lot)
and I was about to try and look at it. 
I thought I had faces support, but I will look again.

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eparsons@cs.toronto.edu (Eric Parsons) writes:

> 
> I've installed tm7.78 for mime support in gnus and vm in XEmacs, but am
> having troubles sending messages with a base64 attachment.  When I hit
> "\C-c\C-c" to send the file, I get an error with the following traceback:
> 
> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)

Hello,
I've had the same problem with tm. My fix is just a workaround, just
use the mime-edit mode to add a signature after your attachment. 

HTH

David Ritter
dritter@mich.com

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	[ XEmacs 19.14 ]

	One of my colleagues has discovered that etags.el does not
seem to understand the etags format generated using the "--regexp" (or
"-r") option. As far as I can see, this option generates TAGS of the
form

pattern^?tag^Aline,character

--- while the normal case is something like 

pattern^?line,character

	In the normal case, the form of "pattern" is such that the
etags code is capable of picking out the "tag" from the "pattern".
There is a variable tags-def-pattern that is used for "default"
matching, but this does not give a reasonable result for regexp tags.
I suggest something like the patch below.

	It also seems that the version of etags supplied with
xemacs-19.14 does not reset the line counter (possibly also the
character counter) between files.

*** etags.el.org        Tue Aug 27 14:02:34 1996
--- etags.el    Tue Aug 27 14:02:41 1996
***************
*** 614,619 ****
--- 614,620 ----
  ;; "\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\)+[ ()]*\C-?"
        )
  (defconst tags-file-pattern "^\f\n\\([^,]+\\),[0-9]+\n")
+ (defconst tags-re-pattern "\\(.*\\)\C-?\\(.*\\)\C-A")
  
  (defun add-to-tag-completion-table ()
    "Sucks the current buffer (a TAGS table) into the completion-table."
***************
*** 679,684 ****
--- 680,688 ----
                         (t
                          (setq name (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1)
                                                       (match-end 1))))))
+                 ((looking-at tags-re-pattern)
+                  (setq name (buffer-substring (match-beginning 2)
+                                               (match-end 2))))
                  ((looking-at tags-def-pattern)
                   (setq name (buffer-substring (match-beginning 2)
                                                (match-end 2)))))

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From: WNWV93C@prodigy.com (George Pearson)
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Subject: missing file in Sun xemacs distribution
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I have two clients who both bought Visual Workshop for C++ from Sun,
which included xemacs 19.13.  (The time has passed for both for free
support answers from Sun.)  They each have the same problem-
when using various of the help commands (like hyper-apropos),
xemacs reports the missing file:

/opt/SUNWspro/XEmacs-19.13/editor/lib-src/sparc-sun-solaris2.3/DOC-19.13-
XEmacs

Sure enough, there is no file like this on the Sun CD.

I realize that this is probably in the distribution available on the net, 
but
I don't want to drag down the whole thing (relatively slow connections)
if not necessary.  However, if someone could tell me which of the split
files it is in, or offer another alternative, I'd appreciate it.

George Pearson
george@adiva.com



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Anthony Rossini <rossini@urn.math.sc.edu> writes:

>  I was wondering if there was any Web/literate programming 
>  modes for XEmacs (Emacs will do... :-) which support multiple 
>  minor modes for the different chunks of code (I'm thinking of 
>  nuweb or noweb).

> The current set up for the nuweb (noweb?) mode that I've seen/used, will
> allow for one mode for the text/documentation chunks (ala LaTeX mode) and
> one mode for the code chunks (ala cc-mode, OR sas-mode, OR S-mode, but
> not a nice mixture of all three).  Or am I dreaming that I can specify
> minor/major modes at whim at semi-random places within a text file?

DISCLAIMER: I have to say that I never used any of the existing nuweb,
noweb, web or cweb modes for emacs, thus what I did may be worse than
them. I know I provide fewer features, however the code is simple and fast.
As it is now it only works under X (because it uses hilit19)

I made something more or less like what you want (my aim was exactly the same
as yours) although it does not use minor modes (it could not) but switches
major mode as needed.

It is for **NOWEB**, not for nuweb (although the idea and the code could be
adapted to nuweb). I didn't quite get from your posting if you use noweb or
nuweb

Here are the features:

1- normal edit mode is noweb mode. Noweb mode was created using
   derived-mode (WARNING: derived mode is broken under some emacs
   versions, thus depending on the emacs version I do it the hard way),
   thus it is only this:

	;; noweb-mode based on latex-mode
	(define-derived-mode noweb-mode 
	   latex-mode "Noweb" 
	   "Major mode for noweb *.nw files derived from latex-mode"
	   (define-key noweb-mode-map "\"" 'self-insert-command)
        )

   The reason why I want a noweb-mode (instead of using latex-mode) is that:

   a) I use the double quote char (") too often to bother to protect it
      every time I type it to avoid it being transformed into a ``, thus
      I need a new mode to have a different keymap (to avoid affecting 
      latex mode)

   b) Latex highlighting is incredibly slow in a PC 486 (in excess of 20 
      seconds to process a file with 5000 thousand lines)

   c) sometimes I use a B&W monitor thus I was interested in a colouring
      scheme with very few colours (so that I could easily use italics,
      bold, underline to replace them). Actually I'm willing to use a 
      machine twice as slow in order to have colour while editing noweb 
      code so the use of italics, bold, ... was not a big success with me

   d) when I'm programming in noweb I want to distinguish the code from the
      doc chunks, and having Latex highlighting plus e.g. C highlighting
      will put too many colours and highlights in the screen for my brain
      to cope with.

2- I made a new noweb highlighting mode that is much faster than latex
   highlighting mode (because it does not distinguish between so many
   things), I only use four colours (so I only have to distinguish 4
   things):

   a) colour1 is for the doc chunks

   b) colour2 is for the code chunks (the best one here is absence of colour)

   c) colour3 is for the chunk names (i.e. <<...>> and <<...>>=)

   d) colour4 is for important stuff in the doc chunks (\chapter,\section,...)

3- I restricted somehow the noweb syntax (i.e., I only use a subset of the
   syntactically correct noweb programs), this simplified the creation of
   the noweb mode:

   All my code chunks terminate with a '@', i.e., I never do:

   <<code chunk1>>=
   foo
   <<code chunk2>>=
   bar
   @

   but only this:

   <<code chunk1>==
   foo
   @

   <<code chunk2>>=
   bar
   @

   (the separating empty line is not necessary it's only a style
   convention) Why is this important? Because now I know that the code
   chunk terminates with a (non escaped) @, thus highlighting and mode
   switching is faster and simpler)

4- at the top of the noweb source file to be edited I place the following:

%% -*-noweb-*- %select Emacs noweb-mode (must be 1st line), default-code: lisp

   this means that by default (unless specified otherwise) all code chunks
   are assumed to be lisp, you can put any valid mode name here.

5- chunks not in the default language are specified by putting an active
   comment in the line just before the code chunk, e.g.:

   doc chunk ...
   % code c++
   <<my c++ func>>=
   class foo {
   ...
   @
  
   (the word after '% code' will be concatenated with '-mode' to select the
   code editing mode (actually this is not quite true, I needed to put a
   stupid emacs (cond ...) that for each 'foo' selects 'foo-mode' as I
   never managed to transform the string "foo" in the symbol foo, sigh!
   This means that you will need to add a line to this switch statement if
   you plan on using some obscure mode that I didn't thought about, 
   it is trivial to do so. If '% code' is not there then the default 
   specified in the 1st line of the file is used

6- Pressing C-c C-n in a doc chunk or a code chunk (i.e. anywhere in the 
   file except after the last code chunk) narrows the emacs buffer
   to the code chunk (if you were in a doc chunk you get the code chunk
   below), and switches to the corresponding mode (therefore the key
   mapping is whatever that mode has and idem for highlighting). Notice
   that while editing the code chunk you cannot see the rest of the file
   (if you save while in there the whole file gets saved, not just the code
   chunk, so don't worry about not seeing the rest, buffer narrowing is a
   standard emacs feature).

7- When you are finished with code editing press C-c C-m, this finishes the
   buffer narrowing (thus you can again see the whole noweb document) and
   returns you to noweb-mode (with 4 colour highlighting). If you entered
   buffer narrowing from a doc chunk the cursor jumps to the same point
   where it was when you pressed C-c C-n, if you entered from the code
   chunk the cursor stays where it was when you pressed C-c C-m (m, not n!)

8- I only use two keys (I chose C-c C-n to enter noweb code editing and C-c
   C-m to leave noweb code editing)

What does this offer? Two ways to look at a noweb document. First to look
at it as a sequence of doc and code chunks, only the noweb structure
(sectioning commands, doc chunks, code chunks) is shown, and editing uses
the latex mode keymap (except that the " is not special). If I am doing
only small changes to a code chunk then I do it under noweb-mode (thus I
don't profit from the features of the mode corresponding to that code). If
I'm doing major changes to a code chunk then I narrow the emacs buffer to
only show me that code chunk, and I get highlighting and keymaps
corresponding to whatever language that chunk is written on.

Could you use this? Notice that there is no emacs polution in the code
chunks (i.e. no active comments in them), the active comments are in the
doc chunks and will never be printed or seen (except while editing). The
use of a default language is handy when most code chunks in a document 
are in the same language (as they normally are)

Speed is not a problem, everything happens quite fast (2 seconds for full
highlighting of a 5000 lines noweb file in a PC 486 DX2-80 running Linux,
this is only done *once* e.g. at file load time, all other operations are
more or less instantaneous, definitely under 1 second)

> Now, I could do this by breaking up the code into many web documents, 
> but it isn't clear to me that I gain, since continuity is somewhat 
> lost.   I'm very happy with cc-mode, sas-mode, and S-mode, but want to
> run them as minor modes in the same text-file.  

You win very little and you lose a lot, that's why I bothered to learn a
little of emacs elisp in order to implement the above

> Local variables are not quite local enough -- any thoughts as to a 
> "more-local" API that might work?  Does such a beast exist?

I also got in a mess with local variables and buffer local variables (not
my fault, some of the emacs packages mess the scope, that's why I spent so
much time debugging noweb-mode and developping a fix)

The noweb-mode.el is written as a noweb program, so it is easy to modify.
It only uses standard Emacs packages and (the tangled code) is not very big:
wc phd/ross/literate/noweb/current/noweb.el
    190     789    7113 phd/ross/literate/noweb/current/noweb.el 
Tested under X-Windows Emacs 19.28, 19.29, 19.30 in Linux, Solaris and HP-UX

Here is my noweb-mode.el bug list:
Bugs:
\begin{itemize}
\item If there is a code chunk followed by two consecutive doc chunks (no code
  chunk between the doc chunks) then pressing [[C-c C-n]] in the first of those
  two doc chunks causes entering code editing mode with the first doc chunk
  appended to the code (i.e. it is not narrowed away and we get the wrong 
  code chunk). Fix: get out and reenter code editing mode from within the code 
  chunk (or from within the doc chunk immediately preceding the code
  chunk). Anyway, it was a mistake to do that therefore the behaviour was 
  unspecified.\index{bugs!emacs noweb-mode}
\item If there are two buffers open in the same file then narrowing will affect 
  both of them. This is very unfortunate but there is nothing that can be done
  about it (it is a consequence of how emacs buffer narrowing 
  works)\index{bugs!emacs noweb-mode}
\end{itemize}

If you (or anyone else) wants it mail me. I have to clip it from a larger
noweb document, make it look nicer ;-), ..., so it is not yet available by
anonymous ftp. But I'm not the only person using it and up to now I got no
complains :)

Alexandre

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Hi.

Is it possible to connect the java debugger(jdb) to XEmacs?
How?

Harry Greijer
Ericsson Business Networks AB
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In article <4vkorh$i7@andros.cygnus.com>, bothner@cygnus.com (Per Bothner) 
wrote:
>Remember:   The subject-line is "emacs rewritten in java ?".
>To get the most use out of this, we need to be able to run most
>of the existing Emacs Lisp packages with little or no change.
>I have a Java Scheme compiler+runtime (look for kawa in
>ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/bothner), that can be modified to
>support Emacs Lisp.  However, we need Java implementations
>of the Emacs buffer and window types.

If you want to re-write emacs in Java line by line, be my guest, but
I will not join you in that. We already have emacs. What advantage
is there in building from scratch something we already have?

As wonderful as emacs is, it is getting old. It is amazing it still survives 
at all, considering that it is well over ten years old. It has had uncountable 
facelifts and improvements over the years, but grand, sweeping changes
are impossible, because so much lisp code depends on it staying more or
less the same.

It is time to admit that some day there will have to be a clean break with the 
past, and we will have to write something completely new to replace it.
Something that captures the flexibility and extensibility that made emacs
so great, but in a new environment. True, it would take years to make 
something new half as usable as emacs is today, which is why we should
start as soon as possible!

-Eugene


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Has anyone had problems with LaTeX comments, `%', not being handled properly in
XEmacs 19.14 under LaTeX mode.  When I have a line like:

the optimal value is 2.5\% higher . . .

and then many screen lines continued without an actual linebreak (i.e. XEmacs
wrap character is shown), all subsequent lines up to the next hard linebreak
are fontified as a comment.  But this is wrong, because by definition \% is NOT
a comment but an escaped `%' meaning "percent".  Surely the LaTeX mode can
parse "\%" differently from `%', right?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Joel A. Shapiro

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Gary Fritz (fritz@sde.hp.com) wrote:
: Given that very few people are going to even understand what this means,
: let alone actually want to use it, is there some way to suppress the
: header line and avoid confusion?

Hello?  Nobody has an answer for this?

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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Compile2?

I used compile2 (multiple compilation processes and windows) in a
previous incarnation of XEmacs (19.11 if memory servers - and it
probably doesn't), but since then have been unable to hack the lisp
code to a byte-compilable form.  I get errors such as:

While compiling toplevel forms:
  !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

While compiling the end of the data:
  ** the function window-edges is not known to be defined.

Is anyone using compile2 under XEmacs?  If so, is there anywhere where
I can pick up the lisp code (and will this byte compile with the code
from the binary distribution of XEmacs?)?  Is it "maintained" - my
code shows the author as Nick Duffek, copyright 1993, which seems ages
ago in the timescale of this editor.

Thanks for (any) info.

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I am setting up xemacs-19.13 on a SPARCstation 10 without gcc.
It is running SUnOS4.1.3_U1 It is a sun4 system.  Everything is Ok
until I get to:
		Checking for XFree86
		Checking for -lX11
	------> Unable to find X11 header files

Now what do I do>  It knew I was using X11 fro man earlier message.
Where are X11 header files (and what are they anyway) usually kept?
How do I let configure know where they are?

Thanks to anyone who can help.
ps2it@world.std.com


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My XEmacs does not recognize C-right as a key stroke. If I press C-h k,
and press C-right it does not register. How can I fix this?

I am running XEmacs-19.14 under Solaris 2.4 x86.

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Hi!
The following worked fine with lemacs 19.11 but 
leaves f2 undefined under 19.14.  Currently running 
Sparc-Solaris2.4 but I get the same results at home
on my Linux 2.0.15 PC.

Any help would be appreciated

;; Customization of Specific packages ;;
(define-key c-mode-map 'f2  'c-insert-function)
(defun c-insert-function ()
  "Insert our standard template for a C function"
  (interactive)
  (setq func-name (read-string "Function name: "))
    (insert "/*\n"
	    " * FUNCTION:	" func-name "\n"
	    " * ARGS:	void\n"
	    " * DESCRIPTION:	\n"
	    " * RETURNS:	void\n"
	    " */	\n"
	    "static void\n"
	    func-name "(void)\n"
	    "{\n"
	    "   vdebugMTrace((\"in " func-name "()\\n\"));\n\n"
	    "   vdebugMTrace((\"out " func-name "()\\n\"));\n"
	    "}					/** " func-name "() **/\n"
	    "\n")
    )


Thanks in advance
-- 
Travis Koch, ARCS Lab, BCIT   http://www.arcs.bcit.bc.ca
Software Developer / UNIX Systems Administrator

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Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:

I've tried formatting with both the %s and %S (frankly I'm not sure I
understand the difference.  Both strip the quotes from the return
value of buffer-file-names.

Any other ideas?

> 
> In article <vwpw4hg01r.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
> jp@lucy.coronacorp.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
> > Is there a way that I can
> > a)  Get format to keep the quotes
> 
> (form (format "(find-file-list '%S)" (buffer-file-names)))
>                                  ^
> Note the `%S'.                  
> 
> -Sudish


Adding text to avoid the following messages...
Sending...

441 Article not posted -- more included text than new text 

Couldn't send message via news: 441 Article not posted -- more
included text than new text

Is there anything I should be setting in gnus to prevent this?

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If I send a multipart/mixed message to myself with split enabled. After
assembling the message, it is no longer multipart/mixed, and I can not
extract the parts with 'e'. Is this a bug? I am using tm 7.79 under
solaris 2.4 x86.

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Has anyone done any work to get Ray Moody's rmime.el to work on
XEmacs?  On FSF Emacs, rmime stays out of the way much more nicely
than tm, but it has all kinds of problems with xemacs.
-- 
Brent B. Powers               Merrill Lynch              powers@ml.com

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"Hvard Fosseng" <havardf@usit.uio.no> writes:

> 
> Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:
> 
> > zinc wrote:
> > > 
> > > (setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))
> > > 
> > 


I've got the following in my .vm file:

;; don't show JP Shipherd in the outbox!
(setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))
(setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders-arrow "To: ")

You can also try replacing user-login-name to be a string.  Try "Kevin
Ford" as well as "ksford".

--jp

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>>>>> "Lynn" == Lynn Davis <lynn@raptor.LPL.Arizona.EDU> writes:

Lynn> I have a fortran progam I'm disecting that I want to fontify
Lynn> in color, but I'm getting a buffer too large message.  Xemacs
Lynn> 19.13 did this fine on the same file that is just short of 
Lynn> 10,000 lines.  Why does Xemacs19.14 fail to do this, and how 
Lynn> can I fix it?

(setq font-lock-maximum-size nil)

C-h v font-lock-maximum-size

font-lock-maximum-size's value is 256000
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*If non-nil, the maximum size for buffers for fontifying.
Only buffers less than this can be fontified when Font Lock mode is turned on.
If nil, means size is irrelevant.
If a list, each element should be a cons pair of the form (MAJOR-MODE . SIZE),
where MAJOR-MODE is a symbol or t (meaning the default).  For example:
 ((c++-mode . 256000) (c-mode . 256000) (rmail-mode . 1048576))
means that the maximum size is 250K for buffers in `c++-mode' or `c-mode', one
megabyte for buffers in `rmail-mode', and size is irrelevant otherwise.

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

> 
> Hi All-
> 
> Does anyone know how I can get VM to use a certain FCC for outgoing mail
> that is based in some manner on the mail headers of the message that I'm
> sending? 
> 
> For example, say I'm sending to Scott V. Doe <svdoe@nobody.edu>
> 
> Maybe I'd like to have the default FCC for this be ScottVDoe.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

I got this off the gnus.emacs.vm.info newsgroup.  Haven't tried it:


>>>>> "Brady" == Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu> writes:

Brady> I know that I've seen this question before, but can't find an
Brady> answer.  I want to dynamically set the FCC header so that my
Brady> outgoing mail gets archived into files named according to whom
Brady> the mail is getting sent. I've got something that works nicely
Brady> for when I mail, but am having difficulty getting it to work
Brady> for replies.

This is what I have used the last few years and it works for me.

;;
;; mail-save.el - Additions to archive outgoing mail by recipient
;;
;; Author: Kayvan Sylvan <kayvan@Sylvan.COM>
;; Modified: Govind N. Kamat <kamat@uceng.UC.EDU>
;;
;; The terms of the GNU Emacs copying conditions apply.
;;
;; This redefines mail-send so as to file outgoing mail
;; by recipient in a corresponding mail folder. This is useful
;; for saving both sides of a conversation using VM.
;;
;; This behavior is only used if mail-archive-alist is not nil, and
;; the FCC: line in the message has not been changed by the user.
;;
;; The mail-archive-alist can be used to selectively file outgoing mail.
;; If no default regexp exists at the end of the alist, mail will not be
;; filed. The regexp searches are by default case sensitive. For case
;; insensitive searching, include the following statement in your .emacs:
;;
;; (setq mail-archive-case-fold-search t)
;;
;; mail-archive-directory, if set, is prepended to the folder value gleaned
;; from mail-archive-alist. If not set, the directory of mail-archive-filename
;; is used.
;;
;; mail-archive-use-cc if non-nil means we also use the CC field to do our
;; regexp matching.

(provide 'mail-save)

(require 'mail-utils)
(require 'sendmail)

(or (fboundp 'original-mail-send)
    (fset 'original-mail-send (symbol-function 'mail-send)))

(defvar mail-save-version
  "$Id: mail-save.el,v 1.1.1.1 1996/07/07 04:04:32 kayvan Exp $")

(defvar mail-archive-directory nil
  "*Directory where archive folders can be found. Must end in /")

(defvar mail-archive-use-cc nil
  "*If set, addresses in the CC list are also matched against
patterns in mail-archive-alist.")

(defvar mail-archive-alist nil
  "*List of regexps for matching againts the outbound mail recipients
to figure out which folder to file the mail in. Its form is:
'((\"REGEXP1\".\"FOLDER1\") (\"REGEXP2\".\"FOLDER2\") ...)
The first match dictates the folder. The FOLDER is evaled and its value will
be prepended by the value of mail-archive-directory if not nil.
The regexp searches are case sensitive.")

(defvar mail-archive-case-fold-search nil
  "*case-fold-search value used by mail-save package.")

(defun mail-send ()
  "Set FCC: field to proper archive name and invoke original-mail-send"
  (interactive)
  (let ((fcc nil) (case-fold-search mail-archive-case-fold-search))
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (narrow-to-region
       (point)
       (progn (search-forward (concat "\n" mail-header-separator "\n"))
	      (beginning-of-line) (point)))
      (if (and
	   (string-equal (mail-fetch-field "FCC" nil t) mail-archive-file-name)
	   (setq fcc (match-recipients)))
	  (progn
	    (if mail-archive-directory
		(setq fcc (concat mail-archive-directory fcc))
	      (setq fcc (concat
			 (file-name-directory mail-archive-file-name) fcc)))
	    (setq fcc (expand-file-name fcc))
	    (mail-position-on-field "FCC")
	    (delete-region (point) (progn (beginning-of-line) (point)))
	    (insert "FCC: " fcc)))
      (widen)
      (original-mail-send))))

(defun match-recipients ()
  (let ((to-list (concat (mail-fetch-field "To" nil t) ","
			 (and mail-archive-use-cc
			      (mail-fetch-field "CC" nil t))))
	(folders mail-archive-alist)
	folder index address try-match)
    (while (and folders (null folder))
      (setq try-match (car (car folders)))
      (setq index 0)
      (while (and (null folder)
		  (string-match "\\([^ \t,]+[ \t]*\\(<[^>]*>\\)?\\)[ \t]*,?"
				to-list index))
	(setq address (substring to-list (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1)))
	(setq index (match-end 0))
	(if (string-match try-match address)
	    (setq folder (cdr (car folders)))))
      (setq folders (cdr folders)))
    (eval folder)))

;; Since the folders are evaluated, we can use this function in our folder
;; definitions to get at matched groupings.

(defun mail-archive-match (&optional n)
  "Return matched groupings in vm-archive-alist matching.
Optional ARG to return nth grouping. Default is to return first grouping."
  (if (null n) (setq n 1))
  (substring address (match-beginning n) (match-end n)))

;; Example mail-archive-alist using the mail-archive-match function:
;;
;; (setq mail-archive-alist
;;      '(("info-\\([-a-zA-Z]+\\)" . (mail-archive-match 1))
;;       ("\\([a-zA-Z][-a-zA-Z]*\\)@" . (mail-archive-match 1))
;;       ("\\([.a-zA-Z]+!\\)+\\([-a-zA-Z]+\\)" . (mail-archive-match 2))
;;       ("\\([a-zA-Z]+\\)[ \\t]+(.*)$" . (mail-archive-match 1))
;;       ("\\([a-zA-Z]+\\)$" . (mail-archive-match 1))))
;;
;; The above will in most cases file mail by recipient's login name.
;; Mail sent to info-foobar will be saved in folder foobar.

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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs voodoo regarding libXaw.so.6
Date: 27 Aug 1996 14:23:28 -0700
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G Sumner Hayes <sumner+@CMU.EDU> writes:

> 
> nickzman@eskimo.com (Nick Zitzmann) writes:
> > XEmacs had been working fine for me, but when I recently tried launching
> > it, it wouldn't run! It kept complaining about how it couldn't open
> > "libXaw.so.6". I peeked into my X11 library folder to see how it was
> > linked, and I had it linked to libXaw3d.so.6.1 (since I use the Athena3D
> > widgets instead of the regular widgets.) I haven't really had a problem
> > with this until now. libXaw.so is alos linked to the same file.
> > libXaw.so.6.1 is also linked to the Athena3D library, my original Athena
> > library is still there (as "old-libXaw.so.6.1") but I don't use it.
> > 

I've got a similar (though not quite as complicated).  Apparently I
need to have my X11 library path set in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment
variable.  I've got this set in my .cshrc file and it works fine as
long as I start Xemacs-19.14 from the command line.  The problem is
I've got xemacs on my popup menus (I switch back and forth between
fvwm and olvwm) and this variable doesn't seem to filter down to
wherever the popup menus get run from.  Anyone know how I set an
environment variable so the popup menus will see it?

Thanks,
--jp

(BTW anyone know how to enable word-wrap in gnus?  I tried:
(setq news-reply-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1)))

but it just doesn't seem to cut it)

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From: Harold Trammel <hlt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu>
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How can I permanently change tab-width from the silly 8 spaces to a more 
reasonable 3 or 4 spaces?

I have set it in my .emacs file but it keeps reverting to the screen 
wasting 8 spaces.

I have tried setting it in the site-start.el with the same results.

I know the silly setting is also in the system somewhere and affects vi 
and even printing. 

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.


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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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Subject: add-menu-button
Date: 27 Aug 1996 15:22:41 -0700
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Here's the help on this function:

add-menu-button: (menu-path menu-leaf &optional before)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
Add a menu item to some menu, creating the menu first if necessary.
If the named item exists already, it is changed.
MENU-PATH identifies the menu under which the new menu item should be inserted.
 It is a list of strings; for example, ("File") names the top-level "File"
 menu.  ("File" "Foo") names a hypothetical submenu of "File".
MENU-LEAF is a menubar leaf node.  See the documentation of `current-menubar'.
BEFORE, if provided, is the name of a menu item before which this item should
 be added, if this item is not on the menu already.  If the item is already
 present, it will not be moved.

Unfortunatly current-menubar is undocumented and I've got no idea what
the format of a MENU-LEAF is.  I'm still able to use add-menu-item but
I was hoping to take adavantage of add-menu-buttons ability to suppy
BEFORE.  Anyone know how to us this?

Here's my current add-menu-item:

(add-menu-item '("Apps") "Usenet News" 'gnus-other-frame t)

I'd like to do something like:

(add-menu-button '("Apps") ("Usenet News" gnus-other-frame) "Read Mail")

Thanks,
--jp

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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: OOBR problems...
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OOBR doesn't appear to work under XEmacs 19.14 - I get a messages that "lisp
nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth; when I upped that I got an error about
max-specpdl-size; when I upped that, it churned away for a while and then
showed me blank windows.

Can someone please point me to a working version?

Thanks,

-- 
    --- John.

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From: lynn@raptor.LPL.Arizona.EDU (Lynn Davis)
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Subject: Re: Xemacs19.14 won't fontify!
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Thank you Steve!

Lynn

Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
: >>>>> "Lynn" == Lynn Davis <lynn@raptor.LPL.Arizona.EDU> writes:

: Lynn> I have a fortran progam I'm disecting that I want to fontify
: Lynn> in color, but I'm getting a buffer too large message.  Xemacs
: Lynn> 19.13 did this fine on the same file that is just short of 
: Lynn> 10,000 lines.  Why does Xemacs19.14 fail to do this, and how 
: Lynn> can I fix it?

: (setq font-lock-maximum-size nil)

: C-h v font-lock-maximum-size

: font-lock-maximum-size's value is 256000
:   -- a variable declared in Lisp.

: Documentation:
: *If non-nil, the maximum size for buffers for fontifying.
: Only buffers less than this can be fontified when Font Lock mode is turned on.
: If nil, means size is irrelevant.
: If a list, each element should be a cons pair of the form (MAJOR-MODE . SIZE),
: where MAJOR-MODE is a symbol or t (meaning the default).  For example:
:  ((c++-mode . 256000) (c-mode . 256000) (rmail-mode . 1048576))
: means that the maximum size is 250K for buffers in `c++-mode' or `c-mode', one
: megabyte for buffers in `rmail-mode', and size is irrelevant otherwise.

: -- 
: steve@miranova.com baur
: Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
: What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
: Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Changing print from "lpr" to something else
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Is there a quick way to change where Xemacs prints to?
I can't find anything in the Emacs docs to help. At
present, it sends my print out to "lpr", which is an old
line printer. I want it to go to "lp -dlaser2" instead.
I've tried aliases, etc. to no avail, so I assume I need
to change a .***** file somewhere.

	Thanks
			Tim

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jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
> I've tried formatting with both the %s and %S (frankly I'm not sure I
> understand the difference.  Both strip the quotes from the return
> value of buffer-file-names.

What version of Emacs are you using?  This is what I see, using your
definition of buffer-file-names.  (Formatted to fit 78 cols, there're
no newlines in the strings.)

(format "(find-file-list '%s)" (buffer-file-names)) =>
        "(find-file-list '(/home/sj/.newsrc-dribble /home/sj/.bbdb 
                           /home/sj/.diary))"

(format "(find-file-list '%S)" (buffer-file-names)) =>
        "(find-file-list '(\"/home/sj/.newsrc-dribble\" \"/home/sj/.bbdb\" 
                           \"/home/sj/.diary\"))"

I.e., %S works just like you want it to, from your description.

> 441 Article not posted -- more included text than new text 

> Couldn't send message via news: 441 Article not posted -- more
> included text than new text

> Is there anything I should be setting in gnus to prevent this?

The 441 is a reply code from your news server.  The server imposes the
restriction, not GNUS.

-Sudish

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To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: bugfix for make-mode.el in 19.14
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The fontification stuff in make-mode.el in 19.14 is slightly broken.
This patch fixes it.

	<b

*** lisp/modes/make-mode.el.~1~	Tue Jan 30 20:19:33 1996
--- lisp/modes/make-mode.el	Tue Aug 27 19:18:05 1996
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.
--- 245,251 ----
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.

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In article <199608272006.NAA10686@plight.lbin.com>,
kshaw@plight.lbin.com (kendall shaw) writes:
> My XEmacs does not recognize C-right as a key stroke. If I press C-h k,
> and press C-right it does not register. How can I fix this?

Your window manager is probably interpreting that sequence in some
manner.  Fvwm binds this by default to move page right (or whatever
it's called).

-Sudish

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Rajappa Iyer wrote:
> 
> pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande) writes:
> 
> >Where can I get dot-mode.el? Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> The elisp archives should contain it, I would think:
> 
> ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/
> 
> If you can't find it, drop me a note and I'll mail you a copy.
> --
> Rajappa Iyer <rsi@bell-labs.com>                #include <std_disclaimer.h>
>    Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those
>                             of us who do.

Couldn't find it there:(

Could u mail it pls?

Thanks in advance
-- freddy
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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Q] running ispell before sending mail...
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Ricardo Marek wrote:
> 
> It is possible to add a hook to the mail packages, so they will ask
> you to if you want to run ispell, just after 'C-c C-c' is pressed.
> (mail-send-and-exit)

Try:
(autoload 'ispell-message "ispell"
  "Check spelling of mail message or news post.")
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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ps2it@world.std.com wrote:

>I am setting up xemacs-19.13 on a SPARCstation 10 without gcc.
>It is running SUnOS4.1.3_U1 It is a sun4 system.  Everything is Ok
>until I get to:
>		Checking for XFree86
>		Checking for -lX11
>	------> Unable to find X11 header files
>
>Now what do I do> 

My guess is that you have the X runtime on your SPARC 10 but not the
development system.  This would include the headers and the statically
linkable libraries.

Alternatively, you just have them in an odd place - /usr/openwin/include
and /usr/openwin/lib would be conventional for Solaris, for SunOS 4 (If I
recall correctly) the more usual /usr/include/X11 and /usr/lib/X11 would be
correct.
-- 
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daveg@synaptics.com (Dave Gillespie) writes:

> In fact, the new CL package has shipped with both Emacs and XEmacs
> for years.  XEmacs even preloads it now.  Is it still necessary for
> Lisp packages to provide their own substitutes for CL functions?
> 

Let me just add a word of appreciation and approval for the CL
package.  I have made more and more use of CL in the XEmacs lisp code
I write, and encourage others to do the same.  Package owners
interested in portability should just do a (require 'cl), while code
that comes with XEmacs can just assume CL will always be there.
-- 
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> > zinc wrote:
> > > 
> > > (setq vm-summary-uninteresting-senders (user-login-name))
> > > 
> > 
> > You know, I tried this. cut and pasted verbatim, and checked the
> > value of the variable after starting vm, and it reflected acurately
> > ("ksford"), but when I visit a sent-mail file, I still see my name
> > on every summary entry. Is there something else I should turn on?

Try opening your sent mail file and evaluating vm-fix-my-summary!!!
(including the exclamation marks) in the minibuffer.

Any use?

  ^Jim
--
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From: lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer)
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In article <4vsv59$h2a@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
	lynn@raptor.LPL.Arizona.EDU (Lynn Davis) writes:
> I have a fortran progam I'm disecting that I want to fontify
> in color, but I'm getting a buffer too large message.  Xemacs
> 19.13 did this fine on the same file that is just short of 
> 10,000 lines.  Why does Xemacs19.14 fail to do this, and how 
> can I fix it?

Sorry, I have no solution for your problem. However, I want to
give another report about font-lock problems with xemacs 19.14
which were not there in previous versions. I have severe
problems fontifying eiffel buffers. Even small files need
sometimes an exceptionally amount of time to fontify (a few
minutes). Somtimes it seems that xemacs is stuck, since the
percent indicator is not incremented. The only solution is
often to cancel fontify. This behaviour is deterministic, ie.
it happens with the same files. 

Harald

-- 
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hlt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu (Harold Trammel) writes:

> 
> 
> How can I permanently change tab-width from the silly 8 spaces to a more 
> reasonable 3 or 4 spaces?
> 
> I have set it in my .emacs file but it keeps reverting to the screen 
> wasting 8 spaces.

Changing tab-width is a bad idea, since lots of other software assumes
a size of 8.  Instead, in programming modes, the mode takes care of
indenting itself, and usually indents somewhere between 2 and 4
spaces by default, depending on the particular major mode.

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Hello,
I've two questions:

 -- in the options/Editing Options of xemacs 19.13 and 19.14, there is
an option named "Auto Delete Selection". When I save options, this
option isn't saved. So I'd like to put this option in my .emacs, but I
don't know how. 
 -- I've just installed xemacs 19.14. Some time ago, I tried to use
InfoDock, and I found in this program a useful package which permit to
add headers in C/fortran programs containing author, date, history, etc.
I'd like to retreive this function under xemacs 19.14, but I can't
remenber the name of this lisp package.

Is there somebody who could help me ?

Thanks a lot in advance,
Thierry

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	The following code stub hangs xemacs - the only way I have
managed to break the loop is to start gdb, attach to the XEmacs
process and exit from Fwhile... In emacs and xemacs-19.13, C-g works
as expected.

(while (not (looking-at "END"))
  (forward-line 1))

	Yes, I know that this is not good coding (should put in
a test for eobp or possibly on the return-value from forward-line),
but mistakes like this happens... at least for me.

	//Raymond.

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Hello, ALL!

Does anyone know where may
I find a new version of MS emacs?

Thanks

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I've just started to play around with folding.el. Looks quite helpful 
to me, but theres one annoying thing:

When I include it in my .emacs-file

;;;; load folding mode
(load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)
(folding-mode-add-find-file-hook)

it starts a byte-compile (on what?) and I end up with an empty
Compile-Log window. Since I already built folding.elc there should be 
no need for that? Am I missing something?

XEmacs 19.14 on DEC Alpha OSF3.1, precompiled binaries...

TIA for any hints,
Thomas

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> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Wed Aug 28 02:11:30 1996
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:04:29 -0500 (CTD)
> From: Harold Trammel <mv!hlt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu>
> To: mv!xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Setting tab-width
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> 
> 
> How can I permanently change tab-width from the silly 8 spaces to a more 
> reasonable 3 or 4 spaces?
> 
> I have set it in my .emacs file but it keeps reverting to the screen 
> wasting 8 spaces.
> 
> I have tried setting it in the site-start.el with the same results.
> 
> I know the silly setting is also in the system somewhere and affects vi 
> and even printing. 
> 
> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 


In .emacs : (setq-default tab-width 4)
For vi: in .exrc in $HOME: set tabstop=4
	or place "tabstab=4" in the environment variable EXINIT
For X, in .Xdefaults: text.tabWidth: 4

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When I declare a function like this:


template<class T>
TList<T>::TList(int dim,int lim,int delta)
{
	// blah
}

The name of the function isn't fontified...

Is this not handled ?

Tristan

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Amir J. Katz writes:
 > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:
 > 
 > Mike; I used compile2 (multiple compilation processes and windows) in a
 > Mike; previous incarnation of XEmacs (19.11 if memory servers - and it
 > Mike; probably doesn't), but since then have been unable to hack the lisp
 > Mike; code to a byte-compilable form.  I get errors such as:
 > 
 > Mike; While compiling toplevel forms:
 > Mike;   !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))
 > 
 > Uh???
 > 
 > Mike; While compiling the end of the data:
 > Mike;   ** the function window-edges is not known to be defined.
 > 
 > See below for a fix for this problem.
 > 

Thanks for the info. and reposting the package...

However, I still get the first problem when attempting to byte compile
compile2 and hlist:

Compiling file /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/compile2_new/compile2.el at Wed Aug 28 14:13:01 1996
  !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

The 'create-form' referred to appears in declare-object (which *does*
byte compile).  I do note from compile2:

;;; Notes to coders
;;; ---------------
;;;
;;; - Most functions in this file use macros that declare-object defines on
;;;   the fly and that only exist either while byte-compiling or after
;;;   evaluating the entire file.  So, evaluating the whole file before
;;;   calling a function you've changed avoids "Symbol's function definition
;;;   is void" errors.
;;;

but various attempts to byte-compile-file or eval-buffer don't seem to
get me anywhere.

I guess I'm missing something, which may be patently obvious to most!
How do I build the package, is not be byte-compiling every file?

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Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:
> Changing tab-width is a bad idea, since lots of other software assumes
> a size of 8.  Instead, in programming modes, the mode takes care of
> indenting itself, and usually indents somewhere between 2 and 4
> spaces by default, depending on the particular major mode.

Better yet, replace tabs with spaces:


(setq-default tab-width 4)
(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

Now your text will look the same regardless of tab settings...

Kev
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From: "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com>
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Subject: Re: Compile2?
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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

Mike; I used compile2 (multiple compilation processes and windows) in a
Mike; previous incarnation of XEmacs (19.11 if memory servers - and it
Mike; probably doesn't), but since then have been unable to hack the lisp
Mike; code to a byte-compilable form.  I get errors such as:

Mike; While compiling toplevel forms:
Mike;   !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

Uh???

Mike; While compiling the end of the data:
Mike;   ** the function window-edges is not known to be defined.

See below for a fix for this problem.

Mike; Is anyone using compile2 under XEmacs?  If so, is there anywhere where
Mike; I can pick up the lisp code (and will this byte compile with the code
Mike; from the binary distribution of XEmacs?)?  Is it "maintained" - my
Mike; code shows the author as Nick Duffek, copyright 1993, which seems ages
Mike; ago in the timescale of this editor.

I use compile2. I didn't have problems when moving from 19.13 to
19.14. There was one patch that was necessary (for 19.12, if I'm not
mistaken), for the 2nd problem mentioned above.

Furthermore, I think that Nick D. has moved to greener pastures - I have
not seen his name in any emacs-related mailing lists/newsgroups for a
very long time.

Here's the full package, with the patch. Note that compile2.el
contains some customizations that I added for various compilers.

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How could I copy or delete whole directories in  dired ?

thx
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From: David Yuan <dyuan@win20.rch.mci.com>
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Subject: local time display on modeline
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i use the following to display time on the modeline:

(display-time)

and it displays universal time instead of local time. i wonder how to
display the local time?

David

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Hi

I am running xemacs with auctex. Is it possible to configure the view command
under the Command menu to something like

	xdvi -s 7

Regards

John


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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond) writes:
> 	The following code stub hangs xemacs - the only way I have
> managed to break the loop is to start gdb, attach to the XEmacs
> process and exit from Fwhile... In emacs and xemacs-19.13, C-g works
> as expected.
> 
> (while (not (looking-at "END"))
>   (forward-line 1))
> 
> 	Yes, I know that this is not good coding (should put in
> a test for eobp or possibly on the return-value from forward-line),
> but mistakes like this happens... at least for me.

	It has been pointed out to me that I could use 
(re-search-forward "^END") instead. Please believe me, I knew that ;-)
This was the simplest case I could find that exhibits this behaviour
--- although I've since discovered that 

(while t)

works just as well(?).

	//Raymond.

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From: Adam Wierzbicki <adamw@icm.edu.pl>
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Can anyone help me with the folloeing problem:

when I send mail using vm & xemacs, the "form: " field is edited
incorrectly.  On the end, it misses a '>' and a '"'.  This looks like:

"My name <my address

I am new to this list, but in dire straits - I get messages from
people telling me my address is broken.  So if the answer is in the
FAQ, please tell me where I can find it.

Thanks in advance.



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From: Andy Piper <andyp@parallax.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: CDE Drag-n-Drop from XEmacs?
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Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:


> It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions from XEmacs buffers to
> other CDE applications (for example, to drag calendar appointments from a
> VM window to the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement this
> feature? 

I did the CDE file drag-and-drop stuff in XEmacs. Implementing this for buffers/regions 
of text is straightforward - I just haven't got around to it.

andy
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From: "Omar G. Stradella" <omar@boston.sgi.com>
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Subject: [Q]: rectangular selections ?
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Is there any way of selecting rectangular regions and cut/paste
them ?.

TIA.

Omar.

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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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sscr03@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. C.M.J. Ku) writes:

> I am running xemacs with auctex. Is it possible to configure the view command
> under the Command menu to something like
> 
> 	xdvi -s 7

Of course it is. Just copy the relevant definition from tex.el in the
aucTeX directory to your personal tex-site.el (or, if that's global),
to your .emacs file, and edit it as you want, just as described in the
installation instructions of AucTeX.

Of course, if you want xdvi to come up with a certain shrink factor,
the right way to configure this is to edit the appropriate X resource
in your personal X resource file. See the man pages for X and xdvi for
further information.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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From: cmcmahan@Teknowledge.COM (Chris McMahan)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Where Can find a MS emacs?
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In-Reply-To: <500v08$o1k@lilja.vtt.fi>
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I don't know what MS Emacs, but I am assuming (I know... it's a baaddd
thing to do) that you are looking for a version of Emacs that can run
on a PC.

If that's the case, let me direct you to the following Web page, which
describes an excellent port of Emacs-19.33 for the Windows 95 and NT
platforms:

http://www.cs.washington.edu:/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html

Hope this is what you were looking for!

Chris McMahan

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jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:

> Adding text to avoid the following messages...
> Sending...
> 
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> 
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It's your news-server, not gnus, that's being nasty.  Try setting the
prefix for included text to something other than '>'.  Then your news
server maybe won't notice its quoted text...

Ralph.

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Neal Becker wrote:
> 
> Try adding this file (strcat.c) to the src directory :
> 
> Add this to the end of s/hpux9.h:
> 
> #define OBJECTS_SYSTEM strcat.o /* XEmacs addition */
> 
> Then rebuild
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                    Name: strcat.c
>     Part 1.2       Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
>                Encoding: 7bit

I have tried this and it still core dumps under seemingly similar
conditions.  The new stack trace doesn't seem to be very enlightening:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Child died due to: segmentation violation
WARNING: /usr/lib/end.o was not linked with this program (UE836)
         Shared-library debugging cannot be made available (UE837)
Procedures:      0
Files: 0
>trace
 0 __sigblock + 0x00000008 (0x55485549, 0x55485548, 0x55475547,
0x55465547)
 1 fatal_error_signal + 0x0000006c (0x55335533, 0x55325533, 0x55325532,
0x55315531)
 2 _end + 0x15259734 (Address not found (UE302)
>
-----------------------------------------------------------

The core dump always seems to occur when a new frame is brought up such
as when doing a find-file-other-frame or a gnuclient.  This didn't
happen in XEmacs 19.13 on HP-UX 9.05.

Is anyone running XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX 9.0x and popping up lots of
frames without a core dump?  If so have you made any configuation
changes?

Thanks to those who have given feedback so far.

--
Kent Rutan
Caterpillar Inc.
rutan@cat.com

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Harold" == Harold Trammel <hlt@napcc-hp.cvm.uiuc.edu> writes:

Harold> How can I permanently change tab-width from the silly 8 spaces
Harold> to a more reasonable 3 or 4 spaces?

Harold> I have set it in my .emacs file but it keeps reverting to the screen 
Harold> wasting 8 spaces.

Harold> I have tried setting it in the site-start.el with the same results.

Harold> I know the silly setting is also in the system somewhere and
Harold> affects vi and even printing.

Harold> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

(setq-default tab-width 4)

This is covered in the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-customization.html#Q3_0_3


Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               
   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.

   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is buffer-local.

------------------------------


-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Holger Bauer <bauer@itsma0.itsm.uni-stuttgart.de>
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Hi, 

I used to work with GNU Emacs 19.31 and heavily used vc functions.

Now I had to learn by the hard way that XEmacs 19.14 is buggy when it
comes to side branches in you RCS-tree.

RCS 4.1.1.3

I have applied rcs -b4.1.1 before starting xemacs.  Then I edit the
file and do: C-x C-q Just as usual I get the right request for the
log-message. But then XEmacs asks whether I want to revert to RCS 4.1?
At this time a C-g C-g won't help anymore. The file has already
changed on disk to version 4.1 and all my changes to the file have
been thrown away (o.k. I still had it in my buffer but this is another
story). If you now just quit (the file was saved before the C-x C-q) you
never get the changes which you applied to that file.

Who has already explored that ``feature'' and maybe even solved the
problem? Anybody there who has already converted FSF vc.el to XEmacs?

Please, if possible do any replys by email, too.

Thanks

Holger


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>>>>> "S" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:


    S> In article <199608272006.NAA10686@plight.lbin.com>,
    S> kshaw@plight.lbin.com (kendall shaw) writes:
    >> My XEmacs does not recognize C-right as a key stroke. If I
    >> press C-h k, and press C-right it does not register. How can I
    >> fix this?

    S> Your window manager is probably interpreting that sequence in
    S> some manner.  Fvwm binds this by default to move page right (or
    S> whatever it's called).

I explicitly took this out of fvwm. The same key binding works under
gnu emacs.

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When I ran the xemacs following errors are occuring.  I have no clue
about these library.  If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate. 
-------------
output

/lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library: /usr/lib/libdbm.sl
/lib/dld.sl: No such file or directory
------------------------
				Thank You

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From: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@Eng.Sun.COM>
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a> I did the CDE file drag-and-drop stuff in XEmacs. Implementing this
a> for buffers/regions of text is straightforward - I just haven't got
a> around to it.

What you did was client stuff (unless you've written server code that
didn't make it into 19.14).  Buffers will be in 19.15 (I wrote the
code).  However, there is no server code currently in place, and
that's what the poster was asking about.  Since this is less
straightforward than client code, it will take more work.

	<b

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	Drives me crazy on my FreeBSD 2.2 machine
	here. There's a lots of free memory, machine is barely
	doing anything, but xemacs failes to start
	with "memory exhausted" message. The window frame
	does pop-up , but I can't do anything with it .

	It used to work OK ( the very same version) on the
	same machine just few days ago !

	Regular emacs starts just fine.

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thomas@evolution.bmc.uu.se () writes:

> 
> How could I copy or delete whole directories in  dired ?
> 

Check out the command dired-do-shell-command (bound to ! in dired)

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From: "Dave Shreiner" <shreiner@arioch.clubfed.sgi.com>
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Hi,

   I think there may be a bug in the etags.el file.  Originally, in my
=2Eemacs file, I set my mode hooks as follows:

(setq emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'lisp-hook)
(setq c-mode-common-hook   'c++-hook)

Whenever I tried to visit a tags table, I would receive the following
error ( this is from a debug-on-error session ):

> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument consp lisp-hook)
>   byte-code("=C0=C1!=AC=82=C2=11    =A2=C3=3D=AB=83   C=11=C4     >=AC=84=
=C4    B=11=C2=87" [bo
>    [boundp emacs-lisp-mode-hook
>   nil lambda setup-emacs-lisp-default-tag-hook] 2)
>   load-internal("etags" nil nil nil)
>   load("etags" nil nil nil)

According one of our local folks, it appears that the etags.el file
expects the emacs-lisp-mode-hook to be a list, as compared to a single
entry.  By switching the 'setq' to the appropriate 'add-hook' construct,
things work okay.

   If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.  I appreciate
XEmacs very much and the work that you've done.


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Hi,
I'm using xemacs as a server. A simulation program called opnet runs
emacsclient as editor so that each file becomes a buffer in xemacs.
However, there are two irritating things:
1) When I call the editor, I have to manually open the xemacs icon.
I would like this to go automatically (so it did before with lemacs
and earlier Solaris OS version).
2) When I'm ready, i.e. have done C-S #, I want xemacs to automatically
become an icon again (or at least hide behind opnet).
How can I achieve this behaviour?

Thanks in advance
Bengt Nordberg

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I don't like having the 'mark-perl-function' function bind to the M-BS 
key.  I instead want to have the 'backward-kill-word' function.  Here's 
my non sucessful attempt in my ~/.emacs file:

(add-hook 'perl-mode-hook
	  '(lambda ()
	     (global-set-key [(meta backspace)] 'backward-kill-word)))

After the 'eval-defun' operation, nothing change ???

Any clues ???

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.960828155516.9639E-100000@thor>,
Mikel Doucet  <mikel@ats.qc.ca> wrote:
>
>I don't like having the 'mark-perl-function' function bind to the M-BS 
>key.  I instead want to have the 'backward-kill-word' function.  Here's 
>my non sucessful attempt in my ~/.emacs file:
>
>(add-hook 'perl-mode-hook
>	  '(lambda ()
>	     (global-set-key [(meta backspace)] 'backward-kill-word)))
>
>After the 'eval-defun' operation, nothing change ???
>
>Any clues ???

this more-or-less works:

(defun my-perl-mode-hook ()
  (define-key perl-mode-map "\e\C-h" nil))
 
(add-hook 'perl-mode-hook 'my-perl-mode-hook)



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According to info:

`M-x print-buffer'
     Print hardcopy of current buffer using Unix command `print'
     (`lpr -p').  This command adds page headings containing the file
     name and page number.

However... Heading has date and page # but no file name.

I have tried whatever I understand to add buffer-file-name (I won't
amuse you with examples of my efforts) without success.

Any insights appreciated.

Andy

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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

> I've just started to play around with folding.el. Looks quite helpful 
> to me, but theres one annoying thing:

> When I include it in my .emacs-file

> ;;;; load folding mode
> (load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)
> (folding-mode-add-find-file-hook)

> it starts a byte-compile (on what?) and I end up with an empty
> Compile-Log window. Since I already built folding.elc there should be 
> no need for that? Am I missing something?

> XEmacs 19.14 on DEC Alpha OSF3.1, precompiled binaries...

Ahhh!  I have to play with this -- I'd been seeing the Compile-Log window as
well, but assumed it was something else.  I suspect that folding.el has some
"advice" for various functions and these are what are being compiled.  I can't
find it, though...

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"Omar G. Stradella" <omar@boston.sgi.com> writes:
> Is there any way of selecting rectangular regions and cut/paste
> them ?.

Move mouse to beginning of rectangle, `C-<space>` to set mark. Move point
to end of rectangle. (Note, the selection won't appear to match your
rectangle if you use zmacs highlighting.) `C-x r k` to cut the
rectangle. Move to the location where you want to paste the rectangle.
`C-x r y`

morgan
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Hi all.  I have just recently tried to get my emacs 19.31 init files to
work with xemacs 19.14.  This is my first time using 19.14.

I am having some trouble getting colorized C-code editing working like it
used to in emacs 19.31.  Can someone tell me if I am missing some large
part of getting this to work, and is there something I can do to further
induce why this is not working, or just use native 19.14 colorizing
support to work?

Thanks much,
Dave Wreski




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Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able to switch
to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do this under 19.14?

Thanks, from a 19.14 newbie,
Dave Wreski


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Hi all.  Under 19.31 I could auto-byte compile an updated .el file to
.elc.  It doesn't seem to be working properly any longer.  This is the
code that I use.  Could someone tell me if it is correct, so I may make
changes, and have the .elc file automagically generated next time I start
xemacs?

(defun make-run-el (file)
  "mini-make: compile if newer then run"
  (if
      (file-newer-than-file-p
       (concat file ".el")
       (concat file ".elc")
      )
      ;;then
      (byte-compile-file (concat file ".el"))
  )
  (load file)
)

Thanks for any ideas,
Dave Wreski


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In article <9608281318.AA04636@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>,
mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:
> The 'create-form' referred to appears in declare-object (which *does*
> byte compile).  I do note from compile2:
[...]
> but various attempts to byte-compile-file or eval-buffer don't seem to
> get me anywhere.

Something changed in how the backquote macro is handled.  The function
declare-object makes heavy use of nested backquotes and quoted
commas(!).  These no longer work like the author seems to have
expected them to.

Here's a rewrite, replace your current declare-object.el with the
stuff at the end.  To compile the package, first compile and load
declare-object.el, then compile the rest of the files. 

There're other problems, however.  For starters, it incompatibly
redefines compile-internal; that function is used by the igrep
package.  You'll also need this to apply the included patch to get
stuff to display.

There's probably a -lot- of other gotcha's waiting in the wings...I
haven't really tested/dug around much.  I wish to enjoy the headache
developed from trying to follow the nesting of multiple eval's,
defmacro's and backquotes in declare-object before I do that. :-)

Patch first, followed by declare-object.el.
-Sudish

--- command-window.el~	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
+++ command-window.el	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
@@ -33,16 +33,14 @@
 
 (defun default-command-window-height ()
   "Default suggested height of command windows."
-  (max 8 (/ (screen-height) 3)))
+  (max 8 (/ (frame-height) 3)))
 
 (defsubst window-spans-screen-vertically (window)
   "Return whether WINDOW extends from top of screen to top of minibuffer
 window."
   ;; Cannot simply return (one-window-p), since it becomes false when
   ;; splitting horizontally.
-  (= (+ (window-height window)
-	(window-height (minibuffer-window)))
-     (screen-height)))
+  (= (window-height window) (frame-height)))
 
 (defun pop-to-command-buffer (buffer &optional window-height-hook)
   "Select \"command\" BUFFER \(e.g. compilation window, debugger window\) in


---------8<----------- declare-object.el ----------8<----------
;;;; Efficient fixed-size objects with named fields
;;;;
;;;; Distributed with compile2 version 2.07
;;;; Copyright Nick Duffek, 1993
;;;;
;;;; Modified to work with the reader backquote macro.
;;;;      Sudish Joseph <sudish@MindSpring.COM>, Aug 29 1996.
;;;;
;;;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.  However, the following applies as
;;;; if it were:
;;;;
;;;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
;;;; ANY WARRANTY.  No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone
;;;; for the consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular
;;;; purpose or works at all, unless he says so in writing.  Refer to the GNU
;;;; Emacs General Public License for full details.
;;;;
;;;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute GNU
;;;; Emacs, but only under the conditions described in the GNU Emacs General
;;;; Public License.  A copy of this license is supposed to have been given
;;;; to you along with GNU Emacs so you can know your rights and
;;;; responsibilities.  It should be in a file named COPYING.  Among other
;;;; things, the copyright notice and this notice must be preserved on all
;;;; copies.
;;;;
;;;;===========================================================================
;;;;
;;;; Generate macros to create fixed-size objects and efficiently access and
;;;; modify their fields.

(defun declare-object (prefix-sym name-sym field-syms)
  "Args: PREFIX \(a symbol\), NAME \(a symbol\), and FIELDS \(a list of
symbols\).  Define macro \(PREFIX-create-NAME\) to return an object with
FIELDS, and macros \(PREFIX-NAME-FIELD object\) and \(PREFIX-set-NAME-FIELD
object value\) to respectively access and modify those FIELDS."
  (let* ((prefix (symbol-name prefix-sym))
	 (name (symbol-name name-sym))
	 (fields (mapcar '(lambda (field) (symbol-name field))
			 field-syms))
	 (nfields (length fields))
	 (index 0)
	 (creation-macro-name (concat prefix "-create-" name)))
    
    ;; Object creation macro
    (eval
     `(defmacro ,(intern creation-macro-name) (&rest init-list)
	,(concat "\
Create and return a " name " object initialized with INIT-LIST's elements if
INIT-LIST is non-nil, and with null values otherwise.")
	(let ((create-form '(make-vector ,nfields nil)))
	  (if (null init-list)
	      create-form
	    (and (/= (length init-list) ,nfields)
		 (error
		  ,(format "%s requires either zero or %d arguments"
			   creation-macro-name nfields)))
	    
	    ;; Generate list of initialization forms, return let
	    ;; construct which creates and initializes object
	    (let ((let-construct
		   (list 'let (list (list 'obj create-form))))
		  (i 0))
	      (mapcar
	       (function
		(lambda (init)
		  (nconc let-construct
			 (list (list 'aset 'obj i init)))
		  (setq i (1+ i))))
	       init-list)
	      (nconc let-construct (list 'obj)))))))
    
    (mapcar
     '(lambda (field)
	
	;; Object modify macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro
	    ,(intern (concat prefix "-set-" name "-" field)) (object val)
	    (list 'aset object ,index val)))
	 
	;; Object create macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro ,(intern (concat prefix "-" name "-" field)) (object)
	    (list 'aref object ,index)))
	
	(setq index (1+ index)))
     
     fields)))

(put 'declare-object 'lisp-indent-hook 'defun)
  
(provide 'declare-object)


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From: Harri Pasanen <pa@tekla.fi>
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Subject: Re: OOBR problems...
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John S Cooper <jsc@eng.sun.com> writes:

> 
> 
> OOBR doesn't appear to work under XEmacs 19.14 - I get a messages that "lisp
> nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth; when I upped that I got an error about
> max-specpdl-size; when I upped that, it churned away for a while and then
> showed me blank windows.
> 
> Can someone please point me to a working version?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
>     --- John.


Which language are you trying to browse?

Did you restart xemacs after modifying the max-lisp-eval-depth and
max-specpdl-size?

Usually OOBR does not cope well in a situation where it is started
again after an unsuccessful finish.  

I suggest you delete all the OOBR* files it may have created, restart
xemacs, and see how it goes then.

On my linux box I can happily browse with over 76000 lines of C++ code in
one environment.


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Hi, I just tried to load foldout.el on XEmacs 19.14, but it came up
with the following error:

invalid keysym (see doc of define-key): M-C-down-mouse-1

so I guess the mouse stuff isnt working properly.

When I tried this sequence, everything loaded in and worked ok:


(setq foldout-inhibit-key-bindings t)
(require 'foldout)

(define-key outline-mode-map "\C-c\C-z" 'foldout-zoom-subtree)
(define-key outline-mode-map "\C-c\C-x" 'foldout-exit-fold)
(define-key outline-minor-mode-map
  (concat outline-minor-mode-prefix "\C-z") 'foldout-zoom-subtree)
(define-key outline-minor-mode-map
  (concat outline-minor-mode-prefix "\C-x") 'foldout-exit-fold)

So, does the mouse code need fixing?  I would offer to do it myself,
but I'm not that up on mouse events.

Cheers, Stephen Eglen

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Hi
I've just compiled xemacs-19.14 on a SGI IRIX5.2. Everything went 
well during compilation but xemacs keeps on warning me with the following
message:
(specifier/warning) (error "Can't instantiate image (probably cached)" [xpm :color-symbols (("background" . #<color-specifier global=((x) . "white") fallback=(((tty) . []) ((x) . "white")) 0x176>) ("foreground" . #<color-specifier global=((x) . "black") fallback=(((tty) . []) ((x) . "black")) 0x174>)) :file "/usr2/local2/xemacs/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/xemacs-icon.xpm" :data "/* XPM */static char *pixmap[]

and the xpm file follows. As a matter of fact, the icons 
in the toolbar are not displayed, although the associated command 
for a given icon works.

Any idea why this happens?

Many thanks in advance.

-- 
Francisco Pereira				
						
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne (EPFL)
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From: "bthh" <bthh@datasci.co.uk>
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX (Performance)
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Hi,

I have seen several message over the last few weeks regarding performance
problems with HP-UX machines.  I have recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an
HP 715/64 and it seems to go into severe processor overload mode whilst
typing.  (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not occur on
a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)

I ran "top" at the same times as XEmacs and watched the CPU usage when
scrolling through a buffer and it gets upto 97.5% and XEmacs crawls along.

This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).

This has made XEmacs 19.14 almost impossible to use.

Has anyone else come across this problem ?  or have a solution ?  

This is the only real problem I've had with XEmacs and I like many of the
new feature 19.14 provides and would prefer to use it if at all possible.

Thanks 

Theo Harper

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From: hafner@suncog2.forwiss.tu-muenchen.de (Walter 'madhouse' Hafner)
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Subject: Changing font in c-mode comments?
Date: 29 Aug 1996 10:22:03 GMT
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Hello

Here's parts of my .emacs setup (Xemacs 19.10):

(setq c-mode-hook nil);
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(set-face-font 'default "-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-100-100-100-*-*-ISO8859-1")
(set-face-font 'modeline "-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-100-100-100-*-*-ISO8859-1")
(require 'font-lock)
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "#6920ac")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face "green4")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-doc-string-face "green4")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face "red3")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face "blue3")
(set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face "blue3")

This *** proportional comment-font is driving me nuts! However I don't
find it documented somewhere. Is there a simple way to change it? Up to
now I never twiddled with faces and I don't want to start right now. :-)

Any out-of-the-box solution is appreciated. :-)

-Walter
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>>>>> "Theo" == bthh  <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

    Theo> Hi, I have seen several message over the last few weeks
    Theo> regarding performance problems with HP-UX machines.  I have
    Theo> recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an HP 715/64 and it seems
    Theo> to go into severe processor overload mode whilst typing.
    Theo> (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not
    Theo> occur on a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)

Doesn't happen at all with my setup here, with HPUX 10.10, and it
doesn't seem to happen for any of the XEmacs HP users here
either (with various HPUX versions and various hardware
platforms). Have you tried running it with no init file (i.e. xemacs
-q) and see if the problem is still there? If no, try adding back your
setup code step by step to see what's causing it.

Richard.

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Subject: HOWTO ??? Mac's Option Key as META-Modifier

Has anybody managed to use the Mac's OPTION key as a
META-Modifier under MacX or eXodus X-Server applications?

The FAQ doesn't semm to cover this (very special) topic.

Any help greatly appreciated, I'm tired of pressing ESC in
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From: "Theo Harper" <bthh@datasci.co.uk>
To: <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr>, <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX (Performance)
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Hi,
> 
> >>>>> "Theo" == bthh  <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:
> 
>     Theo> Hi, I have seen several message over the last few weeks
>     Theo> regarding performance problems with HP-UX machines.  I have
>     Theo> recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an HP 715/64 and it seems
>     Theo> to go into severe processor overload mode whilst typing.
>     Theo> (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not
>     Theo> occur on a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)
> 
> Doesn't happen at all with my setup here, with HPUX 10.10, and it
> doesn't seem to happen for any of the XEmacs HP users here
> either (with various HPUX versions and various hardware
> platforms). Have you tried running it with no init file (i.e. xemacs
> -q) and see if the problem is still there? If no, try adding back your
> setup code step by step to see what's causing it.
> 
> Richard.
> 

Thanks for your reply, unfortunately I have tried "-q" and I get the same
problems.

I would be interested (if you have the time) to see what compilation
options you used and which packages etc you load.

Theo
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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
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Subject: Problems concerning Coexistence of XEmacs' OO-Browser with ClearCase
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Hi there,

I'm facing a subtle problem when trying to use the OO-Browser in a
Clearcase environment (XEmacs version 19.13, OO-Browser
vers. 02.09.08).

The OO-Browser fails when it tries to create its database from files
that are located in a Clearcase view. The problem is that in a
Clearcase view elements that are not selected by the view's
configuration specification are shown as existent (e. g. by ls(1)) but
access to them is denied. So OOBR fails when it tries to scan through such
files.

Does anyone have an idea how to overcome this problem? I think it
should be a rather simple change to let OOBR simply ignore files that
it cannot read instead of aborting then. But I neither know where to
introduce it nor how to do it in emacs lisp.

Thanks in advance.

Adalbert Perbandt.
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From: scott@partech.com (Scott Barrett)
Subject: Re: HOWTO ??? Mac's Option Key as META-Modifier

At 2:11 PM 8/29/96, Hans Juergen Krey wrote:
>Has anybody managed to use the Mac's OPTION key as a
>META-Modifier under MacX or eXodus X-Server applications?
>
>The FAQ doesn't semm to cover this (very special) topic.

This is set up using either MacX or eXodus.  For eXodus, select the
"Modifier Keys..." menu item from the "Settings" menu.  Near the top of the
resulting dialog set the "Use option key as" popup menu to "X meta key".
Then click OK.  The eXodus manual spells it out pretty clearly.  So does
the eXodus on-line help system available from the apple menu.

I haven't used MacX, but I imagine something similar is available.

- Scott



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Subject: keyboard-translate works differently in elisp- and lisp-interaction-mode than it does in other modes
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(xemacs 19.14 under Solaris 2.4 and olvwm)
I have the following strange problem:

To bind the backspace key to delete-backward-char and the del key to delete-char, I use
the following lines in my .emacs:

(global-set-key '[(delete)]  'delete-backward-char)
(keyboard-translate 'delete 'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace 'delete)

This works fine in fundamental-mode, perl-mode, ksh-mode and c++-mode. In elisp-mode and 
lisp-interaction-mode (i.e. when editing the .emacs file or the scratch buffer),
it exhibits strange results:  While the *binding* of backspace and del is still
correct, the *keys* get both translated to the key DEL which in turn invokes
of course the delete-char function. That is, when I press the backspace key,
xemacs thinks that it was the del key and performs a delete-char.

An obvious cause for this behaviour are my keyboard-translate statements.
But why, then, does it work fine in the other modes? What is so different with
elisp- and lisp-interaction-mode? Any suggestion of what could be the cause
for this behaviour and what can be done to make it work, are highly appreciated. 

=======
Note: I considered two different solutions to this problem. 
1. Loading "delbackspace.el". This worked fine in xemacs 19.13, but makes things
worse in 13.14 - When I use this (and comment out the keyboard-translate stuff),
then only c++-mode works as expected, but all other modes (including fundamental-mode!!!)
treat the backspace-key as if DEL had been hit.

2. Using
(global-set-key [delete] 'delete-char)
(global-set-key [backspace] 'backward-delete-char)
(setq c-delete-function 'delete-char) ; needed for c-mode, c++-mode
This worked fine too in 19.13. When I use this in 19.14, it causes the del and
backspace-key both to be mapped to backward-delete-char.

-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org

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HI,
-- 
I am looking for an earlier version of xemacs since I didnot 
manage to install 19.14 on Unixware 2.01 since it keeps
on crashing with no reason.
                            Tal


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Subject: Re: *Messages* buffer?
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tel1dvw@is.ups.com (Dave Wreski) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able to switch
> to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do this under 19.14?
> 
> Thanks, from a 19.14 newbie,
> Dave Wreski
> 

C-h l

/Anders


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Subject: Re: Xemacs Core dump after Fx_get_resource on HPUX
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>>>>> Kent Rutan writes:

 rutan> The core dump always seems to occur when a new frame is
 rutan> brought up such as when doing a find-file-other-frame or a
 rutan> gnuclient.  This didn't happen in XEmacs 19.13 on HP-UX 9.05.

The really frustrating thing is that it seems to travel in "groups".
I'll have an hour when I'm restarting Xemacs every few minutes.  Now
I've been running almost a wee without incident. 

Does this happen under HP 10.x?  This may be the final reason I need
to upgrade !!!!


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I would like to change the behavior of the fortran-mode, that is I would
like to edit or add to the fortran-font-lock-keywords-2 which I use.
How can I do that ?
For example, I would like it to recognize 'do while' as a keyword or
keep 'then' in the keyword font and color, even when there is a comment
behind it, like :

	if (test) then ! stupid test...

Thanks a lot and bonjour de Paris!
Laurent Pagani

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bthh wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
> the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
> characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
> and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).
> 

I'm running xemacs under Linux, I noticed that if I comment out the 
'func-menu' stuff in my .emacs file it got better.  

This is a feature I miss a lot, any fix would be greatly 
appreciated.

-- 
Travis Koch, ARCS Lab, BCIT   http://www.arcs.bcit.bc.ca
Software Developer / UNIX Systems Administrator

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Here is an attachment with my .emacs file.
I hope that you can find a lot of answers to your
question.
Though this file for 19.11 version, the most part of them work
up to 19.34


Best regards,

Andrey A. Aristarkhov,
Software department,
Fintel, Moscow.
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;; Load libraries
;; ==============
;(load-library' "sccs")
;(load-library' "gnuspost")
;(load-library' "gnusmail")
;(load-library' "gnus")
;(load-library' "gnus-xemacs")
;(load-library' "timezone")
;(load-library' "gnus-mark")
;(load-library' "gnus-digest")
;(load-library' "lpr")
(load-library' "man")
(load-library' "compile")
(load-library' "tabify")
;(load-library' "tar-mode")

;;Macros
(load-library' "macro")

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (= emacs-major-version 19)
       (>= emacs-minor-version 10))
  (setq-default highlight-paren-expression t)
  (setq-default overwrite-mode nil)
  (setq-default teach-extended-commands-p t)
  (setq-default complex-buffers-menu-p t)
  (setq-default buffers-menu-max-size 20)
  (setq-default case-fold-search t)
  (setq-default x-pointer-background-color "black")
  (setq-default x-pointer-foreground-color "white")


  (if (featurep 'blink-paren) (blink-paren 0))
  (if (featurep 'pending-del) (pending-delete 0))


  (set-face-font 'default           "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'bold              "-adobe-courier-bold-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1"  )
  (set-face-font 'bold-italic       "-adobe-courier-bold-o-*-*-14-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1"  )
  (set-face-font 'italic            "-adobe-courier-medium-o-*-*-14-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'modeline          "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" )

  (require 'sccs)
  (require 'font-lock)
  (require 'fast-lock)

  (add-hook 'c-mode-hook          'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'c++-mode-hook        'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook        'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'idl-mode-hook        'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook       'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'pascal-mode-hook     'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'calc-mode-hook       'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'text-mode-hook       'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'makefile-mode-hook   'turn-on-font-lock)
  (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook  'turn-on-fast-lock)
  (setq fast-lock-cache-directories '("/foo/bar/baz"))
  (setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)
  (setq c++-font-lock-keywords  c++-font-lock-keywords-2 )

  (set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-string-face nil)

  (set-face-background 'default "RoyalBlue4")
  (set-face-background 'isearch "pink1")
  (set-face-background 'primary-selection "black")
  (set-face-background 'modeline  "snow2")
  (set-face-background 'highlight "white")

  (set-face-foreground 'default "yellow2")
  (set-face-foreground 'isearch "black")
  (set-face-foreground 'primary-selection "LightSteelBlue3")
  (set-face-foreground 'modeline "black")
  (set-face-foreground 'highlight "red1")

  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "green2")
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face "SkyBlue1")
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-doc-string-face "SkyBlue1")
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face "white")
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face "white")
  (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face "white")

  (set-face-font 'font-lock-comment-face       "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'font-lock-string-face        "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'font-lock-doc-string-face    "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'font-lock-function-name-face "-adobe-courier-bold-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'font-lock-keyword-face       "-adobe-courier-bold-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  (set-face-font 'font-lock-type-face          "-adobe-courier-medium-r-*--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1")
  ))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings

;;; func-menu is a package that scans your source file for function definitions
;;; and makes a menubar entry that lets you jump to any particular function
;;; definition by selecting it from the menu.  The following code turns this on
;;; for all of the recognized languages.  Scanning the buffer takes some time,
;;; but not much.
;;;
(cond ((string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
       (require 'func-menu)
       (define-key global-map 'f8 'function-menu)
       (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
       (define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)
       (define-key global-map '(shift button3) 'mouse-function-menu)
 ))


 ;; Set some variables
 (setq find-file-use-truenames nil
 find-file-compare-truenames t
 minibuffer-confirm-incomplete t
 next-line-add-newlines nil
 )

 ;; Load default sounds
 (cond ((string-match ":0" (getenv "DISPLAY"))
 (load-default-sounds))
 (t
 (setq bell-volume 60)
 (setq sound-alist
 (append sound-alist '((no-completion :pitch 500))))
)
)

;; Add `dired' to the File menu
; (add-menu nil "Tools" 
;     (list sccs-menu)
;;   ["Check directory" 'vc-directory t]]
;;(list (concat "Version control" vc-default-menu))
;;	'sccs-menu))
;"Buffers"
;)
; (add-menu-item '("File") "Edit Directory" 'dired t)
 
 ;; Here's a way to add scrollbar-like buttons to the menubar
; (add-menu-item nil "Top" 'beginning-of-buffer t)
; (add-menu-item nil "<<<" 'scroll-down t        )
; (add-menu-item nil " . " 'recenter t           )
; (add-menu-item nil ">>>" 'scroll-up t          )
; (add-menu-item nil "Bot" 'end-of-buffer t      )
 
 ;; Change the cursor used when the mouse is over a mode line
 (setq x-mode-pointer-shape "leftbutton")

 ;;remove the next comments to prevent loading default libraries
 ;;(setq-default inhibit-default-init 1)

 ;; Change the cursor used during garbage collection.
 (if (featurep 'xpm)
(setq x-gc-pointer-shape
(expand-file-name "trash.xpm" data-directory))
)

;; Region
(define-key global-map 'f20       'kill-region             ) 
(define-key global-map 'delete    'kill-region             )
;; Rectangle  

;; Undo commands :
(define-key global-map '(meta backspace) 'undo)
(define-key global-map 'f14           'undo)

;; Moving
(define-key global-map '(control f27) 'beginning-of-buffer)
(define-key global-map '(control f33) 'end-of-buffer      )
(define-key global-map 'f27           'beginning-of-line  )
(define-key global-map 'f33           'end-of-line        )
(define-key global-map 'f35           'scroll-up          )         
(define-key global-map 'f29           'scroll-down        )

;; Search
(define-key global-map '(meta f5)   'goto-line      )
(define-key global-map 'f6          'isearch-forward)
(define-key global-map 'f19         'isearch-forward)
(define-key global-map '(shift f6)  'query-replace  )
(define-key global-map '(shift f19) 'query-replace  ) 


;; Help
(define-key global-map 'f1           'info             )
(define-key global-map '(control f1) 'describe-function)
(define-key global-map '(control f2) 'describe-variable)
(define-key global-map '(shift   f1) 'manual-entry)

;; Buffers
(define-key global-map '(meta f1) 'list-buffers          )
(define-key global-map 'f12       'switch-to-other-buffer)
(define-key global-map 'SunF37    'switch-to-other-buffer)
(define-key global-map '(meta f3) 'kill-buffer           )
(define-key global-map '(meta f4) 'kill-this-buffer      )
(define-key global-map '(meta return)  'switch-to-buffer      )

;; File management
(define-key global-map 'f2           'save-buffer            )
(define-key global-map '(shift f2)   'write-file             )
(define-key global-map '(control f3) 'load-file              ) 
(define-key global-map 'f3           'find-file              ) 
(define-key global-map 'f9           'compile                ) 
(define-key global-map '(shift f3)   'load-library           )
(define-key global-map '(control f10)'save-buffers-kill-emacs)

;; Delete - backspace commands for global and some local maps :
;; -  c-mode-map
;; -  lisp-interaction-mode-map
;; -  emacs-lisp-mode-map
;;----------------------------------------------------------------------
 (require 'tcl)
(define-key tcl-mode-map 'delete     'delete-char         )
(define-key tcl-mode-map 'backspace  'delete-backward-char)
(define-key tcl-mode-map '(shift f6) 'replace-string      )

(define-key c-mode-map 'delete     'delete-char         )
(define-key c-mode-map 'backspace  'delete-backward-char)
(define-key c-mode-map '(shift f6) 'replace-string      )
(define-key c-mode-map '(control f9)     'compile)

(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map 'delete     'delete-char         )
(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map 'backspace  'delete-backward-char)
(define-key lisp-interaction-mode-map '(shift f6) 'replace-string      )

(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map 'delete     'delete-char         )
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map 'backspace  'delete-backward-char)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(shift f6) 'replace-string      )
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map '(control f9) 'save-and-byte-compile-buffer )

(global-set-key 'backspace 'backward-delete-char)
(global-set-key 'delete    'delete-char         )
 ;; ------------------------------------------------------------------------


(define-key global-map '(control f7) 'set-mark-command)
(define-key global-map '(shift f7)   'set-mark-command)
(define-key global-map '(shift f6)   'replace-string  )
(define-key global-map 'f31          '[save-and-make] )

 ;; Copy
(define-key global-map 'f16              '[sscopy]       )
(define-key global-map '(control insert) 'kill-ring-save )
(define-key global-map '(control kp_insert) 'kill-ring-save )
(define-key global-map '(control shift up)   'kill-rectangle)

 ;; Cut
(define-key global-map '(shift delete)   'kill-region)


 ;; Paste
(define-key global-map '(shift kp_insert)   'yank)
(define-key global-map '(shift insert)   'yank)
(define-key global-map 'f18              'yank)
(define-key global-map '(control shift down)   'yank-rectangle )

(define-key global-map 'f4               'dired)
(define-key global-map 'f5               'shell)
(define-key global-map '(control delete) 'kill-region)
(define-key global-map '(control =)      'center-line)
(define-key global-map '(control t)      'kill-word)
(define-key global-map '(control w)      'kill-buffer)

(define-key c++-mode-map '(meta f9)        'next-error)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(shift f9)       'previous-error)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(shift f6)       'replace-string)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(control f9)     'compile)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(control f8)     'gdb)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(meta f9)        'next-error)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(shift f9)       'previous-error)
(define-key c++-mode-map 'f1               'manual-entry)
(define-key c++-mode-map '(shift f6)       'replace-string)

 ;; Directory editor
 (require 'dired)
(define-key dired-mode-map 'f8         'delete-file   )
(define-key dired-mode-map 'f5         'copy-file     )
(define-key dired-mode-map 'f7         'make-directory)

(define-key global-map 'f7         'make-directory)

;;; ********************
;;; Load the auto-save.el package, which lets you put all of your autosave
;;; files in one place, instead of scattering them around the file system.
;;;
(setq auto-save-directory (expand-file-name "~/autosaves/")
auto-save-directory-fallback auto-save-directory
auto-save-hash-p nil
ange-ftp-auto-save t
ange-ftp-auto-save-remotely nil
;; now that we have auto-save-timeout, let's crank this up
 ;; for better interactive response.
 auto-save-interval 2000
 )

 (require 'auto-save)

;; This adds additional extensions which indicate files normally
;; handled by cc++-mode.
(setq auto-mode-alist
(append '(
 ("\\.C$"     . c++-mode)
 ("\\.c$"     . c-mode)
 ("\\.h$"     . c++-mode)
 ("\\.ec$"    . c-mode)
 ("\\.cc$"    . c++-mode)
 ("\\.cxx$"   . c++-mode)
 ("\\.cpp$"   . c++-mode)
 ("\\.ic$"    . c++-mode)
 ("\\.idl$"   . idl-mode)
 ("\\.hxx$"   . c++-mode)
 ("\\.hh$"    . c++-mode)
 ("\\.eh$"    . c-mode)
 ("\\.hpp$"   . c++-mode)
 ("\\.ih$"    . c++-mode)
 ("\\.java$"  . c++-mode)
 ("\\.tk$"    . tcl-mode)
 ("\\.tcl$"   . tcl-mode)
 ("\\.doc$"   . text-mode)
 ("Make*"     . makefile-mode)
 ("make*"     . makefile-mode)
 ("\\.mk"     . makefile-mode)
 ("\\.pas$"   . pascal-mode))
 auto-mode-alist))

 (put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil)
 (setq minibuffer-max-depth nil)

;; Other settings
;;================
(setq c-tab-always-indent nil)
(c-set-style "Ellemtel" )
(setq c-basic-offset '2)
(setq lisp-basic-offset '2)
(set-variable 'default-tab-width '2)
(set-variable 'bar-cursor 'nil)

;; Printer settings
;;==================
(define-key global-map '(control f11) 'lp-buffer)
(define-key global-map '(control SunF36) 'lp-buffer)
(set-variable 'lpr-switches 'nil)
(set-variable 'lp-print-pages 't)
(set-variable 'buffers-menu-max-size '40)
(set-variable 'lpr-command "print")
(set-variable 'selective-display 't)
(setq line-number-mode 't)
(display-time)


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From: Lars Balker Rasmussen <gnort@daimi.aau.dk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: customising display-time
Date: 27 Aug 96 10:50:32 GMT
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:
> Peter> I use display-time in XEmacs 19.14 to give me just a time
> Peter> display on the modeline, no mail reports etc.  I would like to
> Peter> have the time in 24-hour format, rather than 12-hr and am/pm,
> Peter> but I cannot figure out how to do the customisation.  I looked
> Peter> at the reportmail.el source, ...
> 
> (setq display-time-24hr-format t)
> will do what you want.

Not entirely.  I had the same problem the other day, and I came up with
this simple, brutish hack:

(setq display-time-string-forms '((format "%s:%s" 24-hours minutes)))

That was the only way I could get that darn sys-load thingy out of my
Gnus-cluttered mode-line...
-- 
Lars Balker Rasmussen                                           - Duck!
<URL:http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~gnort/>                           - Where!?

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Ralph Loader <loader@maths.ox.ac.uk> writes:

+> 
+> jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
+> 
+> > Adding text to avoid the following messages...
+> > Sending...
+> > 
+> > 441 Article not posted -- more included text than new text 
+> > 
+> > Couldn't send message via news: 441 Article not posted -- more
+> > included text than new text
+> > 
+> > Is there anything I should be setting in gnus to prevent this?
+> 
+> It's your news-server, not gnus, that's being nasty.  Try setting the
+> prefix for included text to something other than '>'.  Then your news
+> server maybe won't notice its quoted text...
+> 
+> Ralph.

Thanks Ralph.  I changed message-yank-prefix.  Lets see if this posts.

--jp



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>>>>> "bthh" == bthh  <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

> I have seen several message over the last few weeks regarding performance
> problems with HP-UX machines.  I have recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an
> HP 715/64 and it seems to go into severe processor overload mode whilst
> typing.  (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not occur on
> a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)

How much memory do you have in your machine?  XEmacs is a *big* program and
will use up memory fast.  If you don't have enough memory, you may wind up in
a thrashing situation.  Keep an eye on "swapinfo -t" while running XEmacs.

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==================================================================
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Does anyone have C-right recognized as a keystroke in xemacs?

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX (Performance)
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"bthh" <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

> I ran "top" at the same times as XEmacs and watched the CPU usage when
> scrolling through a buffer and it gets upto 97.5% and XEmacs crawls along.
> 
> This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
> the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
> characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
> and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).
> 
> This has made XEmacs 19.14 almost impossible to use.

I have the same problem on hpux9.  The problem is very discrete for me.
When I start xemacs, all is fine.  At some point a day or just a few
hours later it goes into slow mode.  Once it enters slow mode even buffers
that do not use font-lock are slow.  I do not use func-menu.  The only
thing I've found that returns it to normal speed is to kill all but one
frame.

-- 
--tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

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On Aug 29, 10:47am, kendall shaw wrote:
> Subject: control right
> Does anyone have C-right recognized as a keystroke in xemacs?
>-- End of excerpt from kendall shaw

Yup (from my .emacs):

;; so C-right_arrow (C-right in Emacs parlance) simulates jot's alt-f search
(define-key global-map [(control right)] 'ow-find)
;; so C-left_arrow (C-left in Emacs parlance) simulates jot's alt-b search
(define-key global-map [(control left)] 'ow-find-backward)


This allows you to mouse-button1 highlight a string and then use C-right/C-left
to search forward/backwards for the string without wrapping around EOF.

Joel.

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I want to disable the menu bar in emacs 19.34. I placed 

	(setq menu-bar-mode nil) 

in my .emacs and I still get the menu bar. Typing M-x menu-bar-mode 
inside emacs works fine - how do I inhibit it on startup ?

Thx,
Alan



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From: Tony Bennett <tbennett@divnc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX (Performance)
Date: 29 Aug 1996 14:59:29 -0400
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"bthh" <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

> I ran "top" at the same times as XEmacs and watched the CPU usage when
> scrolling through a buffer and it gets upto 97.5% and XEmacs crawls along.
> 
> This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
> the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
> characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
> and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).
> 
> This has made XEmacs 19.14 almost impossible to use.

I have the same problem on hpux9.  The problem is very discrete for me.

When I start XEmacs, all is fine.  At some point a day or just a few hours
later it goes into slow mode and cpu usage goes way up.  Once it enters slow
mode even buffers that do not use font-lock are slow.  I do not use func-menu.
The only thing I've found that returns it to normal speed is to kill all but
one frame.

-- 
--tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

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cc: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:02:16 PDT."
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From: kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com>

>>>>> "k" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:


>>>>> "S" == Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> writes:
    S> In article <199608272006.NAA10686@plight.lbin.com>,
    S> kshaw@plight.lbin.com (kendall shaw) writes:
    >>> My XEmacs does not recognize C-right as a key stroke. If I
    >>> press C-h k, and press C-right it does not register. How can I
    >>> fix this?

    S> Your window manager is probably interpreting that sequence in
    S> some manner.  Fvwm binds this by default to move page right (or
    S> whatever it's called).

    k> I explicitly took this out of fvwm. The same key binding works
    k> under gnu emacs.

Okay, you are right after all. But it's unfortunate that xemacs
does not behave as I would want in this situation.

In my .fvwm2rc95 file I've had:

Key Left	RTSFI			 C	Scroll -100 0
Key Right	RTSFI			 C	Scroll +100 +0
Key Up		RTSFI			 C	Scroll +0   -100
Key Down	RTSFI			 C	Scroll +0   +100

Which causes scrolling when the cursor is in the root window, a title
bar, a side bar, a frame corner, or an icon window, but not in the
application window. This works as planned with gnu emacs, but not
xemacs.

So, I've tried other combinations:

Key Left	R			 C	Scroll -100 0
Key Right	R			 C	Scroll +100 +0
Key Up		R			 C	Scroll +0   -100
Key Down	R			 C	Scroll +0   +100

which allows xemacs to see the key, but now I can't scroll even with
the mouse cursor in the root window (I guess the cursor can't ever be
in the root window). I've tried other variations, but they
either allow the key to be read by xemacs and not by fvwm, or the opposite.

Is this buggy behavior on the part of xemacs?

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "jp" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

jp> (BTW anyone know how to enable word-wrap in gnus?  I tried:
jp> (setq news-reply-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1)))

jp> but it just doesn't seem to cut it)

news-reply-mode-hook is gone.

Try something like:
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: Mailcrypt Error
Date: 29 Aug 1996 14:54:09 -0500
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I'm having a problem with Mailcrypt, since I installed XEmacs 19.14.
I get the following error when I try to decrypt a mail message:

Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc") nil "...(2)" [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>)

Did I install something incorrectly?  I also get the above when I try
to verify signature.

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr>
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>>>>> "Theo" == Theo Harper <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

    Theo> Thanks for your reply, unfortunately I have tried "-q" and I
    Theo> get the same problems.

    Theo> I would be interested (if you have the time) to see what
    Theo> compilation options you used and which packages etc you
    Theo> load.

Here's my configure line:

./configure  --prefix=/home/cognot/APPS/tmp
--bindir=/home/cognot/APPS/tmp/bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.10
--site-includes=/home/cognot/APPS/include
--site-libraries=/home/cognot/APPS/lib/hp700 --verbose --extra-verbose
--cflags=+O3 +Onoinline -Ae --error-checking=none --debug=no
--dynamic=yes --with-menubars=lucid --with-scrollbars=lucid
--with-dialogs=motif --with-png 

I also have compface, native sound. X11R5, Motif1.2, Xpm3.4 (pulled
out from xemacs.xs.uiuc.eu). I also have the strcat() patch installed,
and replaced -lxcurses by -ltermcap to avoid the buggy select() call
in libxcurses (needed on 10.10 only).

Richard.

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Subject: Would like an opinion
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What is the *best* elisp package for PGP/XEmacs integration?  I'd
appreciate it if you could provide a reason as to why you think it's
best, and locations as well.

For the record, I'm using XEmacs 19.14 and PGP 2.6.2.

Thanks for your opinions!

-- Gary F.

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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Subject: [Q]: Query-Replace
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:10:03 -0500
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Two questions:

1.  Is it possible to make query replace work on a region ?
2.  Is it possible to make the cursor jump back to the location where
the 
    query replace was initiated ? (like C-g does when doing an isearch)

TIA.
--
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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I am trying to install Xemacs-19.14 on an Ultrix4.2 running on Dec5000/240.
I am using gcc-2.7.2.1.

The compilation seems to run ok, except for some warning messages like:

process.c: In function `record_exited_processes':
process.c:2267: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer ty
pe



but when it tries to link here's what I get:

gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker   -L/usr/weber/X11R6.1/lib
 -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/cmplrs/cc/crt0.o  abbrev.
o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o       callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.
o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o database.
o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash
o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o      f
aces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o      frame.og
eneral.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o   hash.o i
ndent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o        keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o      m
acros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o             objects.o opaque.o     p
rint.o process.o profile.o pure.o       rangetab.o realpath.o  redisplay.o redis
play-output.o regex.o   scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o   s
trftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o         toolbar.o    console-tty.o devic
e-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o u
nexmips.o       console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x
o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  x
gccache.o xselect.o     window.o termcap.o tparam.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-li
mit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShe
ll.o EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw        -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11
                        -ldbm       `gcc -print-libgcc-file-name`  -lm  -lc    `
gcc -print-libgcc-file-name`
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
          35493 in the positive direction,
          49728 in the negative direction.
 have occured and bad object file produced (corrective action must be taken)
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 510 fo
r symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 518 fo
r symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 19
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

I tried re-compiling with -G 24 option but i still get this problem.

Any clues.

Thanks in advance.

shashi

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>
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Subject: Aligning function argument comments in c-mode (XEmacs 19.14)
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Is there some method to automatically align comments to the right of function
arguments ?

Example:
int print_it(trial_t sTrial,        /* List of input files */
             specification_t sSpec) /* DRSF data */

To get the comments to line up, I had to (manually) insert several spaces in
front of the first comment.

TIA.
-- 
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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jp@lucy.coronacorp.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:

[snip]

> (defun buffer-file-names ()

[...]

> This might return something like ("/home/jp/.cshrc" "/home/jp/temp.c")
> 
> In my save state function I make the following call:
> 
>  (form (format "(find-file-list '%s)" (buffer-file-names)))
> 
> Unfortunatly this create the following:
>  (find-file-list (home/jp/.cshrc /home/jp/temp.c))
> 
> STRIPPING the QUOTE MARKS!

[snip]

Instead of format, how about something like:

    (setq foo (prin1-to-string `(find-file-list ',(buffer-file-names))))

Then later you can do:

    (eval (read foo))

-- 
   Carey Evans  <*>  <URL:http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~carey/>
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Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:

> I have the same problem on hpux9.  The problem is very discrete for me.
> When I start xemacs, all is fine.  At some point a day or just a few
> hours later it goes into slow mode.  Once it enters slow mode even buffers
> that do not use font-lock are slow.  I do not use func-menu.  The only
> thing I've found that returns it to normal speed is to kill all but one
> frame.

     Do you use lazy-lock?  That's another CPU time-sink.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
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little green men that have been following him all day.

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In article <yg9k9unqxzl.fsf@www.yorvic.york.ac.uk>,
Glenn Proctor  <proctor@yorvic.york.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>[XEmacs 19.14, IRIX 5.3, ps-print.el 2.8]
>
>When I use any of the ps-spool* functions, I get a buffer called
>*PostScript*.
>
>I know this is really only meant to be used internally by ps-print,
>but is there any way (hook or otherwise) to get the major-mode of this
>beffer to be automatically set to postscript-mode (rather than
>text-mode as it is now)?

There's no hook, but you could modify the function ps-generate, which
creates the buffer, to set its major mode.

Jim
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Subject: Re: Aligning function argument comments in c-mode (XEmacs 19.14)


> Is there some method to automatically align comments to the right of
> function arguments ?
> 
> Example:
> int print_it(trial_t sTrial,        /* List of input files */
> 	       specification_t sSpec) /* DRSF data */
> 

If somebody know the answer, good. Otherwise, how about:

   int print_it(trial_t input_file_list
                specification_t DRSF_data)

lookma, "movable comments" - whenever variable is used, comment is there...
:-)

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Hi all,

  Do any of you have the lisp script, using which I could print from
Xemacs.  I am unable to currently print from Xemacs.

  Any replies would be appreciated.


. . . . .

Ajay


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From: cton@cyberramp.net (Cameron Ton)
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Hi,

What's the latest and greatest version of Xemacs?  And, is it possible
to run it under Win95? 

Thanks.

--cameron



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I have a .xpm file that I would like to convert
to be used as a xface file, Anyone have any 
suggestions,

Thanks

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Hi all.  Could someone tell me what is the minimum amount of code that has
to be included to get font/face lock working?  Do I need code other than
what comes with xemacs 19.14?  I am pretty much a lisp-newbie..

Thanks much,
Dave Wreski

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From: tombros@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Tombros)
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How can xemacs be used from within another program, e.g. as an
editor for a newsreader without starting it up every time. I
have constantly open an xemacs window somewhere on my desktop
and would like to use it from Knews to post articles. Ideally
it should open a new buffer load the stuff passed by knews, then
I should be able to edit the article and when I save it and close
the buffer the article should be posted.

Any hints would be appreciated. (I imagine this has something to
do with using xemacs in server mode, but I haven't figured out
how to use it in this mode yet).

Dimitris.

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cton@cyberramp.net (Cameron Ton) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> What's the latest and greatest version of Xemacs?  And, is it possible
> to run it under Win95? 

http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html
-- 
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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Ajay Kumar Gummadi <ajay@ee.tamu.edu> writes:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
>   Do any of you have the lisp script, using which I could print from
> Xemacs.  I am unable to currently print from Xemacs.
> 
>   Any replies would be appreciated.

ps-print.el
-- 
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: [Q]: rectangular selections ?
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:08:50 +0200
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Omar G. Stradella wrote:
> 
> Is there any way of selecting rectangular regions and cut/paste
> them ?.
> 

You can cut a rectangle with M-x kill-rectangle (usually bound to C-x r k).

-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: control right
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kendall shaw wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have C-right recognized as a keystroke in xemacs?

Yes. I run xemacs 19.14 under Solaris 2.4 and olvwm.
-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
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"Omar G. Stradella" <omar@boston.sgi.com> writes:

> 
> Is there any way of selecting rectangular regions and cut/paste
> them ?.


kill-rectangle: (I bound it to ^x^k)
Delete rectangle with corners at point and mark; save as last killed one.
Calling from program, supply two args START and END, buffer positions.
But in programs you might prefer to use `delete-extract-rectangle'.

yank-rectangle: (I bound it to ^x^y)
Yank the last killed rectangle with upper left corner at point.


K. J. Wood                                   Did you see the dragonflies?
Philips Research Laboratories,  Cross Oak Lane,
Redhill,  SURREY  RH1 5HA, United Kingdom.          
Phone: +44 1293 815328 Fax: +44 1293 815500 karl@prl.research.philips.com 

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From: Mark Phillips <msp@nortel.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs Core dump after Fx_get_resource on HPUX
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Well I'm afraid I haven't got an answer, but this happens to us too!!!!!

I've already tried increasing the buffer size (name_string and
class_string) to 4096 bytes but it still keeps crashing.


I've since recompiled with -g3 (using ./configure --dynamic ... and
forcing the HP ld to dynamic link by relinking the temacs by hand
with -Wl,-a,default followed by another call to make).

Now when it next happens I hope to use the gdbinit macro file under
gdb to find out what resource it was querying....

Anyone got any ideas about what is happening......

Cheers 
Mark

PS. If anyone has a fix, please email it to me (I'm on Holiday next
week).


-- 
Mark Phillips
msp@nortel.co.uk

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From: saj@elias.gams.co.at (Steffen A. Jakob)
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Hi all!

Last night I work remotely via my modem on my workstation.
By accident I removed an important file. I knew that
the contents of this file was still in a buffer of an
xemacs running on the machine.

Is there a way to get the contents of a buffer without 
having actually "graphically" access to the xemacs client?

BTW: The OS running on the computer is Linux 2.0.15.

Best wishes,
Steffen.
-- 
Steffen A. Jakob         |"Sorgfaeltige Planung ist der
saj@gams.at              | Schluessel zu einem sicheren und
+43 1 8176230-12         | zuegigen Reiseverlauf"
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Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

> Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:
> > I have the same problem on hpux9.  The problem is very discrete for me.
> > When I start xemacs, all is fine.  At some point a day or just a few
> > hours later it goes into slow mode.  Once it enters slow mode even buffers
> > that do not use font-lock are slow.  I do not use func-menu.  The only
> > thing I've found that returns it to normal speed is to kill all but one
> > frame.
> 
>      Do you use lazy-lock?  That's another CPU time-sink.

I do use lazy lock.  But once XEmacs enters slow mode, I can turn off font lock
and lazy lock (and remove their hooks) and the session is still slow and eating
way too much cpu time.

-- 
--tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

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From: Bengt Nordberg <etxengt@uab.ericsson.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Using xemacs from within other programms
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:28:34 +0200
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Hi,
Locate a file called emacsclient, use it as editor in your program.
Write M-x server-start in the command line. Now when you trigger the
editor it should pop up as a buffer in your emacs appliation.

Bengt


Dimitrios Tombros wrote:
> 
> How can xemacs be used from within another program, e.g. as an
> editor for a newsreader without starting it up every time. I
> have constantly open an xemacs window somewhere on my desktop
> and would like to use it from Knews to post articles. Ideally
> it should open a new buffer load the stuff passed by knews, then
> I should be able to edit the article and when I save it and close
> the buffer the article should be posted.
> 
> Any hints would be appreciated. (I imagine this has something to
> do with using xemacs in server mode, but I haven't figured out
> how to use it in this mode yet).
> 
> Dimitris.
> 
> --
> Dimitrios Tombros                   Database Technology Research Group
> e-mail: tombros@ifi.unizh.ch               Computer Science Department
> http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/tombros.html        University of Zurich

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Greetings, fellow XEmacs users!

I've been reading about TM, and I surmise it's either:
	1.  A replacement for VM; or
	2.  An adjunct for VM that allows us to view MIME messages.

At any rate, I've looked in the lisp archives pointed to by Yahoo, and
I can't find TM.  Any pointers?


-- 
Matt Meola        (mmeola@netmail.mnet.uswest.com)
Bailey, Colorado
mailto:mmeola@netmail.mnet.uswest.com

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Over the past couple of months, there have been several postings about 
lpr-buffer not working in XEmacs 19.14. What is the status of the fix?

We are running HP-UX 10.01, if that makes a difference.

To recap the problem, lpr-buffer displays "Spooling.." in the minibuffer 
then "Done" but nothing makes it to the printer.

Has anybody with HP-UX see this work correctly?

Thanks.

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Hi,

I'm trying to install XEmacs-19.14 on my HP9000/300 workstation under
HP-UX 9.03. Configure works fine, but during Make I get the following
error message:

        gcc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I.        -I/hd5/usr/xemacs-19.13/src
            -I/usr/include/X11R5          -I/usr/include/X11R5 
            -I/usr/include/Motif1.2  -I/hd5/usr/xemacs-19.13/src/../lwlib
            -g -O  unexhp9k3.c
cc1: warning: `-g' option not supported on this version of GCC
In file included from unexhp9k3.c:43:
/usr/include/a.out.h:170: field `debug_header' has incomplete type
In file included from unexhp9k3.c:48:
sysdep.h:37: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:37: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration,
sysdep.h:37: warning: which is probably not what you want.
sysdep.h:39: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:82: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:83: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:113: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
sysdep.h:117: warning: `struct device' declared inside parameter list
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Do you know what's wrong?

Thanks 

Stefan Heun

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David Masterson wrote:
>
> How much memory do you have in your machine?  XEmacs is a *big* program and
> will use up memory fast.  If you don't have enough memory, you may wind up in
> a thrashing situation.  Keep an eye on "swapinfo -t" while running XEmacs.
>

I'm experiencing the same problem under Linux, running on a P75 
w/48 Meg, the disk drive light never comes on, but it's too slow
to use.
 
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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> Two questions:
Srinivas> 1.  Is it possible to make query replace work on a region ?

Yes.

Select the region you want to deal with, and hit:  (narrow-to-region)
C-x n n

Perform the substitution, then do (widen)
C-x n w

Srinivas> 2.  Is it possible to make the cursor jump back to the location where
Srinivas>     the query replace was initiated ? (like C-g does when
Srinivas>     doing an isearch)

It's certainly possible by performing some lisp magic around
query-replace.  I don't think there's a way without writing lisp,
though.

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I want to bind control-2 to the set-mark command in Xemacs.
The obvious .emacs incantation is:

(global-set-key '(control 2) 'set-mark)

But when I start up, I get a message:

keysym must be in the rage 32 - 255: 2

Trying the same thing interactively, with M-x global-set-key produces no
error message, but then when I hit C-2, I get this complaint:

Wrong type argument: commandp, set-mark

Other things I tried:
In gnuemacs 18, C-2 already does exactly what I want.
In gnuemacs 19.31, the old-style   (global-set-key "\C-2" 'set-mark)
produces a complaint like:
	Error in init file: error: "Invalid modifier in string"
(so maybe this isn't only an xemacs problem)

I really want to give xemacs a try, but I simply can't live without this, so
meanwhile I'm still using old reliable, which in my case is jove in an xterm.

Thanks!
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Subject: Re: *Messages* buffer?
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Dave> Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able
Dave> to switch to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do
Dave> this under 19.14?

M-x view-lossage
C-h l
Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Mailcrypt Error
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:

Kevin> I'm having a problem with Mailcrypt, since I installed XEmacs 19.14.
Kevin> I get the following error when I try to decrypt a mail message:

Kevin> Invalid function: ...

This is a well-known problem with the 19.14 distribution.
Rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs and all will be well.
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Dave> Hi all.  Under 19.31 I could auto-byte compile an updated .el

(There is no XEmacs 19.31, surely you mean XEmacs 19.13)

Dave> file to .elc.  It doesn't seem to be working properly any
Dave> longer.  This is the code that I use.  Could someone tell me if
Dave> it is correct, so I may make changes, and have the .elc file
Dave> automagically generated next time I start xemacs?

Your code is correct, but you have to know exactly where the .el file
is for it to work.  Here is a slightly more robust version which will
work so long as `file' is in the load-path.

(defun make-run-el (file)
  "mini-make: compile if newer, then load"
  (unless (file-exists-p (concat file ".el"))
    (setq file (replace-in-string (locate-library file)
				  "\\.elc?$"
				  "")))
  (when (file-newer-than-file-p
	 (concat file ".el")
	 (concat file ".elc"))
    (byte-compile-file (concat file ".el")))
  (load file))


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[Emailed & posted]
>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Gibbons <Alan.Gibbons@bell-labs.com> writes:

Alan> I want to disable the menu bar in emacs 19.34. I placed 
Alan> 	(setq menu-bar-mode nil) 

Alan> in my .emacs and I still get the menu bar. Typing M-x menu-bar-mode 
Alan> inside emacs works fine - how do I inhibit it on startup ?

>From Part III of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-customization.html#Q3_8_1

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               
   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:
                 
(set-menubar nil)
                 
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p t)


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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Meola <mmeola@wildcat.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> writes:

Matt> Greetings, fellow XEmacs users!

Matt> I've been reading about TM, and I surmise it's either:
Matt> 	1.  A replacement for VM; or

No.

Matt> 	2.  An adjunct for VM that allows us to view MIME messages.

Yes, sort of.  It will work with Gnus, mh-e and RMAIL as well.

Matt> At any rate, I've looked in the lisp archives pointed to by
Matt> Yahoo, and I can't find TM.  Any pointers?

Try the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_3_2


Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.

   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.

   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM

   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.


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in trying to compile xemacs 19.14 on a Sun SS5 running Solaris 2.5,
I get

...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...

XEmacs exiting.I/O error: , /eggnog/users/ndd/xemacs-19.14/lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
*** Error code 255
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'
Current working directory /eggnog/users/ndd/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'


I don't see any mention of this in PROBLEMS or the FAQ; is there
a fix? the first few lines of config.status are

#!/bin/sh
# Generated automatically by configure.
# Run this file to recreate the current configuration.
# This directory was configured as follows,
# on host loire:
#
# ./configure  sparc-sun-solaris2.5 --with-x --cflags=-O --x-includes=/opt/X11R6
.1/include --x-libraries=/opt/X11R6.1/lib --prefix=/opt/X11R6.1

and I'm using gcc 2.7.1.

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write a program that changes a .html file without fontifying it.  The
file is very large, and fontifying it takes an unpleasant length of
time.


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Hi,

Is there a way to put the functions menu entry back to the right side,
where it was in Xemacs .13? And how can I define a button, that appears
in the left side. If I write something like this in my .emacs

	      (add-menu-item nil " X " '(kill-buffer nil) t)

the button will be added on the right side.

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

	> From Part III of the XEmacs FAQ:
	> 	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-customization.html#Q3_8_1
	> 
	> Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
	>                
	>    If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to
	>    your .emacs:
	>                  
	> (set-menubar nil)
	>                  
	>    Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
	> (set-specifier menubar-visible-p t)

Er, `(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)'.
                                      ^^^

Eric.

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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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JP,

  Sorry, it looks like no one is familiar with the add-menu-button
command.  Nor does it seem anyone has any info on the (seemingly)
undocumented MENU-LEAF.

--jp

jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:

+> 
+> Here's the help on this function:
+> 
+> add-menu-button: (menu-path menu-leaf &optional before)
+>   -- a compiled Lisp function.
+> Add a menu item to some menu, creating the menu first if necessary.
+> If the named item exists already, it is changed.
+> MENU-PATH identifies the menu under which the new menu item should be inserted.
+>  It is a list of strings; for example, ("File") names the top-level "File"
+>  menu.  ("File" "Foo") names a hypothetical submenu of "File".
+> MENU-LEAF is a menubar leaf node.  See the documentation of `current-menubar'.
+> BEFORE, if provided, is the name of a menu item before which this item should
+>  be added, if this item is not on the menu already.  If the item is already
+>  present, it will not be moved.
+> 
+> Unfortunatly current-menubar is undocumented and I've got no idea what
+> the format of a MENU-LEAF is.  I'm still able to use add-menu-item but
+> I was hoping to take adavantage of add-menu-buttons ability to suppy
+> BEFORE.  Anyone know how to us this?
+> 
+> Here's my current add-menu-item:
+> 
+> (add-menu-item '("Apps") "Usenet News" 'gnus-other-frame t)
+> 
+> I'd like to do something like:
+> 
+> (add-menu-button '("Apps") ("Usenet News" gnus-other-frame) "Read Mail")
+> 
+> Thanks,
+> --jp

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From: Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org>
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I sometime need to generate another XEmacs binary, for example after
fetching and installing a new library (PNG, JPEG ...), and want to strip it
and to avoid the full "make install" step because the incremental backup
uselessly saves the whole stuff many times.

here is the trick:
-=-=-
 [ configure; make ]
cd src
rm xemacs
strip temacs
cd ..
make
cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs \
  /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
=-=-=

all seems good: XEmacs runs and the embedded documentation is healthy.

but is there a booby trap somewhere, am I missing something?

-- 
Nat    Linux

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>>>>> Alan Gibbons writes:

> I want to disable the menu bar in emacs 19.34. I placed (setq
> menu-bar-mode nil) in my .emacs and I still get the menu bar. Typing
> M-x menu-bar-mode inside emacs works fine - how do I inhibit it on
> startup ?

I have in my ~/.emacs:

(if (not window-system)
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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

Ray> I have a .xpm file that I would like to convert
Ray> to be used as a xface file, Anyone have any 
Ray> suggestions,

Use netpbm or xv to do the conversion to .xbm.  Of the two, xv is by
far, the easiest to use.  Then follow the instructions in the XEmacs
FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_10

Good luck.
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>>>>> "John" == John McCarthy <jmc@Steam.stanford.edu> writes:

John> write a program that changes a .html file without fontifying it.
John> The file is very large, and fontifying it takes an unpleasant
John> length of time.

Why don't you just adjust the value of font-lock-maximum-size?

font-lock-maximum-size's value is 256000
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*If non-nil, the maximum size for buffers for fontifying.
Only buffers less than this can be fontified when Font Lock mode is turned on.
If nil, means size is irrelevant.
If a list, each element should be a cons pair of the form (MAJOR-MODE . SIZE),
where MAJOR-MODE is a symbol or t (meaning the default).  For example:
 ((c++-mode . 256000) (c-mode . 256000) (rmail-mode . 1048576))
means that the maximum size is 250K for buffers in `c++-mode' or `c-mode', one
megabyte for buffers in `rmail-mode', and size is irrelevant otherwise.

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>>>>> "Cameron" == Cameron Ton <cton@cyberramp.net> writes:

Cameron> Hi,
Cameron> What's the latest and greatest version of Xemacs?

The latest and greatest is XEmacs 19.14, released on June 23.

Cameron> And, is it possible to run it under Win95?

No.
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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Patterson <tim@raptor.lpl.arizona.edu> writes:

Tim> Is there a quick way to change where Xemacs prints to?
Tim> I can't find anything in the Emacs docs to help. At
Tim> present, it sends my print out to "lpr", which is an old
Tim> line printer. I want it to go to "lp -dlaser2" instead.
Tim> I've tried aliases, etc. to no avail, so I assume I need
Tim> to change a .***** file somewhere.

It's .emacs, and add:

(setq lpr-command "lp")
(setq lpr-switches '("-dlaser2"))

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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> I've just started to play around with folding.el. Looks quite helpful 
Thomas> to me, but theres one annoying thing:

Thomas> When I include it in my .emacs-file

Thomas> ;;;; load folding mode
Thomas> (load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)
Thomas> (folding-mode-add-find-file-hook)

Thomas> it starts a byte-compile (on what?) and I end up with an empty
Thomas> Compile-Log window. Since I already built folding.elc there should be 
Thomas> no need for that? Am I missing something?

Thomas> XEmacs 19.14 on DEC Alpha OSF3.1, precompiled binaries...

Which version of folding.el are you using?  I just tried the sequence
you gave with the beta version and it worked as expected.

P.S.
It's slightly better to use
(load "folding" t t)

instead of defining new symbols.
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I'm looking for an executable of MicroEMACS, hopefully version
4.00, for AIX 3.2.

If you know where I can find this, please let me know.

Thank you.

--
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Jamie Zawinski (jwz@netscape.com) wrote:
: Per Bothner wrote:
: > 
: > Remember:   The subject-line is "emacs rewritten in java ?".
: > To get the most use out of this, we need to be able to run most
: > of the existing Emacs Lisp packages with little or no change.

: This has been a subject of much debate; if you think everyone agrees
: with your assertion, you haven't read most of the rest of this thread.
: I for one think that imposing that constraint would be a colossal
: impediment to progress.

well many *do* agree with him.  it is also not clear just what is meant by
`rewriting emacs in java'.  five possibilites exist:

1 replace the elisp with java.  c-code is a java machine.
2 replace the c-code with java, the java code would make a lisp
  interpreter which in turn would run elisp.
3 both the c-code part and the elisp are implemented in java.
4 make c-code virtual machine to run java in emacs as well as elisp.
5 java coded emacs base which can run more java and elisp.

: 	== Jamie

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>>>>> On 29 Aug 1996 18:37:59 GMT, Alan.Gibbons@bell-labs.com (Alan Gibbons) said:

Alan> I want to disable the menu bar in emacs 19.34. I placed 
Alan> (setq menu-bar-mode nil) 

Alan> in my .emacs and I still get the menu bar. Typing M-x menu-bar-mode 
Alan> inside emacs works fine - how do I inhibit it on startup ?

This works:
                 (menu-bar-mode -1)
                 
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How do I turn off the menu bar in virtual terminals yet retain it for
X windows?

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: folding.el does byte-compile on loading
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> Which version of folding.el are you using?  I just tried the sequence
> you gave with the beta version and it worked as expected.

I'm using 

;; RCS revision: $Revision: 2.0 $
;; Date: 01 Aug 1996

which should be the newest one...

> 
> P.S.
> It's slightly better to use
> (load "folding" t t)

>From 'folding.el':

;; To install Folding mode, put this file (folding.el) on your
;; Emacs-Lisp load path (or extend the load path to include the
;; directory containing this file), byte compile it, and put the
;; following in your an appropriate init file, e.g. your 
;; ~/.emacs file:
;;
;;     (load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)
;;     (folding-mode-add-find-file-hook)
;;

I already removed everything from my .emacs and started with 
-no-site-file, but it still does byte-compile on startup. Here is all 
that XEmacs tells me afterwards:

Recent keystrokes:

C-h l


Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first):

Loading byte-optimize...done
Loading byte-optimize...
Loading bytecomp...done
Loading bytecomp...


It doesn't seem to behave strange in any way, so I can live with it quite 
happily, but maybe there's more to it. Anders Lindgren contacted me about 
this and it might already be solved ;-)...

HTH,
Thomas
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Hi all.  Could someone show me how to bind a key to a function that will
delete a word to the right of the cursor?  Also, I remember being able to
do this once before (I used to use gnu emacs), but there was always a
problem with spaces/tabs/non-alpha chars and the way it deleted them.  I
could provide an example to show what I'm talking about, if this isn't
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[emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Nat" == Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:

> (Stripping XEmacs)

Nat> here is the trick:
Nat> -=-=-
Nat>  [ configure; make ]
Nat> cd src
Nat> rm xemacs
Nat> strip temacs
Nat> cd ..
Nat> make
Nat> cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
Nat> cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs \
Nat>   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
Nat> =-=-=

Nat> all seems good: XEmacs runs and the embedded documentation is
Nat> healthy.

That looks like it should be O.K.  Do let me know if you have any
troubles -- I'd like to put this into the XEmacs FAQ.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>>>>> "GF" == Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com> writes:

GF> What is the *best* elisp package for PGP/XEmacs integration?  I'd
GF> appreciate it if you could provide a reason as to why you think it's
GF> best, and locations as well.

GF> For the record, I'm using XEmacs 19.14 and PGP 2.6.2.


I'd suggest you try out "MailCrypt", which is already included with
XEmacs 19.14.  IMO it integrates well into VM and Gnus.

BTW, the manual is also included with XEmacs.


Have a nice day,
Michael


P.S.: I think you have to recompile the mailcrypt elisp files to make
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>>>>> "Steffen" == Steffen A Jakob <saj@elias.gams.co.at> writes:

Steffen> Hi all!
Steffen> Last night I work remotely via my modem on my workstation.
Steffen> By accident I removed an important file. I knew that
Steffen> the contents of this file was still in a buffer of an
Steffen> xemacs running on the machine.

Steffen> Is there a way to get the contents of a buffer without having
Steffen> actually "graphically" access to the xemacs client?

Steffen> BTW: The OS running on the computer is Linux 2.0.15.

The O/S doesn't matter in this, but running XEmacs (instead of GNU
Emacs) does.  See the command `gnuattach', and the corresponding
XEmacs function gnuserv-start.

If worse comes to worse, force a coredump of the running XEmacs and
pick the file out of that (this technique will work with just about
anything).
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Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> writes:

> Two questions:
> 
> 1.  Is it possible to make query replace work on a region ?
> 2.  Is it possible to make the cursor jump back to the location where
> the 
>     query replace was initiated ? (like C-g does when doing an isearch)

I use the following, which may be close to what you want.  Bind
jwc-regexp-replace-region and jwc-string-replace-region to your favorite
keys and see how you like them.  I'm sure plenty of alternatives exist.

(defun jwc-narrow-and-call (func)
  "Narrow to the current region and call func interactively."
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (if (< (point) (mark))
	  (narrow-to-region (point) (mark))
	(narrow-to-region (mark) (point)))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (call-interactively func)
      )))

(defun jwc-string-replace-region (&optional query)
  "Replaces a string within the current region.  The string to match and the
replacement string are read from the minibuffer.  The optional (prefix)
argument QUERY determines whether to query before each replacement."

  (interactive "P")
  (if query
      (jwc-narrow-and-call 'query-replace)
    (jwc-narrow-and-call 'replace-string))
  ;; (or unread-command-events (message "Done"))
  )

(defun jwc-regexp-replace-region (&optional query)
  "Replaces a regular expression within the current region.  The regular
expression to match and the replacement string are read from the minibuffer.
The optional (prefix) argument QUERY determines whether to query before each
replacement."

  (interactive "P")
  (if query
      (jwc-narrow-and-call 'query-replace-regexp)
    (jwc-narrow-and-call 'replace-regexp))
  ;; (or unread-command-events (message "Done"))
  )

-- 
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Subject: Re: $5000 gift, just read this - !! SPAM !!
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[Posted and mailed]

In article <01bb92f4$afd889e0$bff4f5ce@brianb>,
	"Brian Bennett" <brianb@io-online.com> writes:
> Turn a measly $5 into $50,000!
> [lots of junk removed]

The scheme described in this post :
	- is totally illegal in most if not all the contry in the world
	- doesn't work
	- has nothing to do with xemacs

---
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Subject: Re: folding.el does byte-compile on loading
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> Steven L Baur wrote:

sb> Which version of folding.el are you using?  I just tried the sequence
sb> you gave with the beta version and it worked as expected.

Thomas> I'm using 

Thomas> ;; RCS revision: $Revision: 2.0 $
Thomas> ;; Date: 01 Aug 1996

Thomas> which should be the newest one...

Yup.

 ...
Thomas> Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first):

Thomas> Loading byte-optimize...done
Thomas> Loading byte-optimize...
Thomas> Loading bytecomp...done
Thomas> Loading bytecomp...

All this means is that the bytecompiler code has been loaded.  That is
normal as folding.el require's those modules.

sb> P.S.
sb> It's slightly better to use
sb> (load "folding" t t)

Thomas> From 'folding.el':
 ...
Thomas> ;;     (load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)

The comment is imprecise.  'nomessage and 'noerror aren't any
different than t in this context, and create new (and unnecessary)
symbols.  Nearly everyone complains about emacs bloat, well here's
your chance to save a few bytes ...

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"bthh" <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have seen several message over the last few weeks regarding performance
> problems with HP-UX machines.  I have recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an
> HP 715/64 and it seems to go into severe processor overload mode whilst
> typing.  (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not occur on
> a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)
> 
> I ran "top" at the same times as XEmacs and watched the CPU usage when
> scrolling through a buffer and it gets upto 97.5% and XEmacs crawls along.
> 
> This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
> the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
> characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
> and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).
> 
> This has made XEmacs 19.14 almost impossible to use.
> 
> Has anyone else come across this problem ?  or have a solution ?  
> 
> This is the only real problem I've had with XEmacs and I like many of the
> new feature 19.14 provides and would prefer to use it if at all possible.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Theo Harper
> 

For what it's worth, we've the same problem here, but it seems to be
related either to frames, or to the concomitant use of
gnuserv/gnuclient.  The platform here is SunOS 4.1.4 on sparc 20's
with plenty of memory....

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>>>>> "S" == Steffen A Jakob <saj@elias.gams.co.at> writes:

S> Hi all!
S> Last night I work remotely via my modem on my workstation.
S> By accident I removed an important file. I knew that
S> the contents of this file was still in a buffer of an
S> xemacs running on the machine.

S> Is there a way to get the contents of a buffer without 
S> having actually "graphically" access to the xemacs client?

If the important buffer is already  saved to disk, use 'rcp'
 (needs '~/.rhosts')   or  any  terminal-programm  (kermit /
 seyon / minicom).

If not, the remote emacs has  started it's server(*) and you
 have graphically access  to your local-host  (X11 running),
 probably this may work (untested):

- rlogin <remote-host>
- export DISPLAY="<local-host>:0.0"
- emacsclient(*) <some-file>
- C-x b <desired-buffer>
- C-x C-s <local-host:/path/to/file>

(*): actually Xemacs-equivalent

Has anybody tried this? I didn't ever use Xemacs, so i don't
 know much   about   it's differences  comparing   to  emacs
 (emacsclient/gnusclient).  And i'm   not  shure  about  the
 synthax of the last command's filename.

Just an idea.

Bye,
 -george
-- 
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	Sooner or later, the worst possible set of circumstances is
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Subject: Re: delete-word?
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Dave> Hi all.  Could someone show me how to bind a key to a function that will
Dave> delete a word to the right of the cursor?

The function is kill-word.  To bind it to a key do something like:

(global-set-key [f11] 'kill-word)

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>>>>> "Olmur" == Olmur  <olmur@dwarf.bb.bawue.de> writes:
>>>>> "GF" == Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com> writes:

GF> What is the *best* elisp package for PGP/XEmacs integration?

Olmur> I'd suggest you try out "MailCrypt", which is already included with
Olmur> XEmacs 19.14.  IMO it integrates well into VM and Gnus.

Mailcrypt is the best interface *period* to PGP, from reports I've
heard of other packages.

It is very easy to set up and integrate into your environment.

It is very easy to use.  Reading PGP encrypted mailing lists with
mailcrypt is as straightforward an operation as reading plaintext
mailing lists, for example.

Certain operations like sending mail through remailer chains is
basically `point and click' and automatic.

The manual is instructive, and following through it will teach you a
lot.
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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Tell <tell@cs.unc.edu> writes:

Stephen> I want to bind control-2 to the set-mark command in Xemacs.
Stephen> The obvious .emacs incantation is:

Stephen> (global-set-key '(control 2) 'set-mark)

Stephen> But when I start up, I get a message:

Stephen> keysym must be in the rage 32 - 255: 2

Stephen> Trying the same thing interactively, with M-x global-set-key
Stephen> produces no error message, but then when I hit C-2, I get
Stephen> this complaint:

Stephen> Wrong type argument: commandp, set-mark

Stephen> Other things I tried:
Stephen> In gnuemacs 18, C-2 already does exactly what I want.
Stephen> In gnuemacs 19.31, the old-style   (global-set-key "\C-2" 'set-mark)
Stephen> produces a complaint like:
Stephen> 	Error in init file: error: "Invalid modifier in string"
Stephen> (so maybe this isn't only an xemacs problem)

Stephen> I really want to give xemacs a try, but I simply can't live
Stephen> without this, so meanwhile I'm still using old reliable,
Stephen> which in my case is jove in an xterm.

I can't bear the thought of you using Jove for a reason like this, so
I did some digging around to find you an answer. :-)

1.  You will need a wrapper around set-mark in order to bind it to a
    key.  Try something like this:
(defun my-set-mark ()
  (interactive)
  (set-mark (point)))

I think you really want to use push-mark, not set-mark, but that is up
to you.

2.  You need the right magic syntax to coax the global-set-key
    function to use control 2.  Try something like this:
(global-set-key [(control ?2)] 'my-set-mark)

Does this now do what you require?
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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I want to compile c code inside xemaxs by invoking a keyboard command, 
insted of clicking mouse.  How?

Thank you.
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I've been having a horrid time trying to find appropriate fonts for XEmacs
and my Linux-based system. I'm using lucida typewriter for the default font
by doing

(set-face-font 'default "-*-lucidatypewriter-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*")

in my .emacs. I like this font, but the italic fonts don't look like good
at the default setting and I xfontsel doesn't show any italic fonts for
lucida typewriter.

Steve Baur advised me to set .Xdefaults for Emacs.italic.attributeFont
and/or Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont (thanks, Steve!), but I can't find
any I like.

Does anyone have a nice font setup for XEmacs (perferably one that works on
a basic Redhat Linux system) that they'd like to tell me about?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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Subject: "poll: Interrupted system call" on hp-ux 10.10

running xemacs [XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun
22 1996 on hp700, the precompiled version ] on a 10.10 machine
overflows the standard error with the message

poll: Interrupted system call

the program shows the message when i move the mouse over a frame, or
when i enter a character

disregarding these messages, xemacs seems to work nicely on the new
machine, but i'd like to know if there is a fix different from the
obvious 2>/dev/null

tia
				gb

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Ajay Kumar Gummadi wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   Do any of you have the lisp script, using which I could print from
> Xemacs.  I am unable to currently print from Xemacs.
> ...
Ajay, try to add the folowing line to your .emacs file:

(set-variable 'lpr-command "print")
(set-variable 'lpr-switches 'nil)

and put the attached script to you path directory (for example /usr/local/bin)


Best regards,

Andrey A. Aristarkhov,
Software department,
Fintel, Moscow.
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#!/bin/sh
cat > $HOME/emacs.spool.tmp
lp $HOME/emacs.spool.tmp $*
rm $HOME/emacs.spool.tmp


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At 10:46 30/08/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there a way to put the functions menu entry back to the right side,
>where it was in Xemacs .13?

No, this is a common mis-understanding! XEmacs 19.13 *itself* was broken in
this respect, not func-menu; XEmacs 19.14 is giving the correct behaviour.
To see what to do type

C-h v fume-menubar-menu-location

This variable controls the position of the function menu on the menubar.

-- David (func-menu developer)
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Hi,

Is there any way to indent text in Latex, the way it already does for
a C code ? 
Thank you,

Matthieu Quignard (quignard@epcad.iplus.fr)

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it> writes:

    giacomo> running xemacs [XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid]
    giacomo> (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700, the
    giacomo> precompiled version ] on a 10.10 machine overflows the
    giacomo> standard error with the message

    giacomo> poll: Interrupted system call

    giacomo> the program shows the message when i move the mouse over
    giacomo> a frame, or when i enter a character

    giacomo> disregarding these messages, xemacs seems to work nicely
    giacomo> on the new machine, but i'd like to know if there is a
    giacomo> fix different from the obvious 2>/dev/null

Unfortunately, the only way to avoid this is to recompile. Either on
10.10, or on 9.05, but you'll have to replace -lxcurses by -ltemcap in
the link line.

The cause of this is a (much discussed already) broken implementation
of select() in libxcurses which takes precedence over the libc one.

Alternatively, you can force a static link of libc by adding
/usr/lib/libc.a to the link line, which will get rid of the problem by
statically linking in the correct version of libc.

Among other things, this broken select() is also causing problems with
^G (just try to interrupt (while t)) and subprocess management.

Richard.

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jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:

> +> I'd like to do something like:
> +> 
> +> (add-menu-button '("Apps") ("Usenet News" gnus-other-frame) "Read Mail")

Try
 (add-menu-button '("Apps") ["Usenet News" gnus-other-frame t] "Read Mail")

-- 
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tombros@ifi.unizh.ch (Dimitrios Tombros) wrote:

>How can xemacs be used from within another program, e.g. as an
>editor for a newsreader without starting it up every time. I
>have constantly open an xemacs window somewhere on my desktop
>and would like to use it from Knews to post articles. Ideally
>it should open a new buffer load the stuff passed by knews, then
>I should be able to edit the article and when I save it and close
>the buffer the article should be posted.

You need to use the gnuclient program, and also add something like the
following to your .emacs file:

  (require 'gnuserv)
  (gnuserv-start)

Then gnuclient and gnudoit will work for you.  I've even managed to get
this to work across multiple machines (so Xemacs can run on one machine and
you can use gnuclient on any machine in the network, which will send the
request back to the origianl machines Xemacs) but I forget exactly how that
works (it involves creating a list of trusted machines, that much I
remember).

Good Luck!

---> Kendall Gelner (kendall@rmi.net)


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From: Alexander Sturm <sturm@eeiwzb.et.tu-dresden.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: column-number-mode
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 19:08:27 +0200
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Hi everybody!
I got the binaries for HP-UX 9.05. I am not able to activate the
column-number-mode. I tried serveral lines in the .emacs file:
setq column-number-mode t
setq-default column-number-mode t

I did not get an error-message, but nothing happens in the mode line.
Who can help me?

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On 31 Aug 1996, Steven L Baur wrote:

> >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Tell <tell@cs.unc.edu> writes:
> 
> Stephen> I want to bind control-2 to the set-mark command in Xemacs.

> I think you really want to use push-mark, not set-mark, but that is up
> to you.
 
Actually, what I think I really want is set-mark-command, which doesn't
appear to need such a wrapper and does work properly when I bind it
interactively using M-X global-set-key.

> 2.  You need the right magic syntax to coax the global-set-key
>     function to use control 2.  Try something like this:
> (global-set-key [(control ?2)] 'my-set-mark)
> 
> Does this now do what you require?

That way of specifying the keystroke does it, thanks!

Where should I be looking for documentation for things like this "magic
syntax?"  All I've got are the xemacs info pages, and they don't mention
this explicitly.

Or, has anyone written a gentle introduction to .emacs-file-hacking for
the experienced C/shell/perl/etc. programmer who's never touched or even
seen lisp before? 

> steve@miranova.com baur

Steve

Steve Tell       tell@cs.unc.edu	W: +1 919 962 1845
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>>>>> "David" == David Ritter <dritter@mich.com> writes:

David> eparsons@cs.toronto.edu (Eric Parsons) writes:
>> 
>> I've installed tm7.78 for mime support in gnus and vm in XEmacs, but am
>> having troubles sending messages with a base64 attachment.  When I hit
>> "\C-c\C-c" to send the file, I get an error with the following traceback:
>> 
>> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)

David> Hello,
David> I've had the same problem with tm. My fix is just a workaround, just
David> use the mime-edit mode to add a signature after your attachment. 

tm7.78 and tm7.79 have this bug that has been signalled to the author. tm7.80
was released today but I don't know if this was fixed. Anyway there is a simple
workaround : just insert a text/plain section after the image even if you don't
really need it.

Keep in mind that recent versions of TM are under development and from version
to version certain bugs are introduced while many are removed. It is important
therefore to subscribe to the tm-en mailing list (see documentation of the
package).

Oscar

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From: Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
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Subject: leaving cursor at original position after a yank
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Hi,

I would like to know if it possible to leave the cursor in its original
position after I have done a yank. I have seen this done in microEmacs
ported to Windows using a variable called yankflag, but I can't work out
how to do it on HP-UX with xemacs 19.13. Could one possibly add an
exchange-point-and-mark after a yank, or something like that?

Thanks,
-- 
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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: leaving cursor at original position after a yank
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 14:47 03/09/96 +1000, you wrote:
>I would like to know if it possible to leave the cursor in its original
>position after I have done a yank. I have seen this done in microEmacs
>ported to Windows using a variable called yankflag, but I can't work out
>how to do it on HP-UX with xemacs 19.13. Could one possibly add an
>exchange-point-and-mark after a yank, or something like that?

Yes, of course! Just type C-h f yank, and you'll see how... (Basically, if
you type C-u C-y, the yank command leaves point at the start of the yank and
a mark at the end of the yank.)

-- David
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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:
> I've just started to play around with folding.el. Looks quite helpful 
> to me, but theres one annoying thing:
> 
> When I include it in my .emacs-file
> 
> ;;;; load folding mode
> (load "folding" 'nomessage 'noerror)
> (folding-mode-add-find-file-hook)
> 
> it starts a byte-compile (on what?) and I end up with an empty
> Compile-Log window. Since I already built folding.elc there should be 
> no need for that? Am I missing something?

	Could be caused by a call to defadvice...

	//Raymond.

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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Bengt Nordberg <etxengt@uab.ericsson.se> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> I'm using xemacs as a server. A simulation program called opnet runs
> emacsclient as editor so that each file becomes a buffer in xemacs.
> However, there are two irritating things:
> 1) When I call the editor, I have to manually open the xemacs icon.
> I would like this to go automatically (so it did before with lemacs
> and earlier Solaris OS version).

Try this (in your .emacs):

(add-hook 'server-switch-hook 'raise-frame)

> 2) When I'm ready, i.e. have done C-S #, I want xemacs to automatically
> become an icon again (or at least hide behind opnet).
> How can I achieve this behaviour?

(add-hook 'server-done-hook 'lower-frame)

	//Raymond.

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Re: sending base64 attachment with TM
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Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "David" =3D=3D David Ritter <dritter@mich.com> writes:
> 
> David> eparsons@cs.toronto.edu (Eric Parsons) writes:
> >> 
> >> I've installed tm7.78 for mime support in gnus and vm in XEmacs, but a=
m
> >> having troubles sending messages with a base64 attachment.  When I hit
> >> "\C-c\C-c" to send the file, I get an error with the following traceba=
ck:
> >> 
> >> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)
> 
> David> Hello,
> David> I've had the same problem with tm. My fix is just a workaround, ju=
st
> David> use the mime-edit mode to add a signature after your attachment. 
> 
> tm7.78 and tm7.79 have this bug that has been signalled to the author. tm=
7.80
> was released today but I don't know if this was fixed. Anyway there is a =
simple
> workaround : just insert a text/plain section after the image even if you=
 don't
> really need it.

It seems that this bug has been fixed in tm7.80. However, I still can't
decode multipart emails correctly with tm/vm the first time I read
them. Everything looks OK in the preview buffer, but tm extracts wrong
parts to files with wrong filenames.

/Anders

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______________________________________________________________
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I'd like to have a "Mail-To" menu in My V-Summary buffer.
I would contains the names of poeople I write often.

When a menu entry is selected, I'd like to open a compose buffer
, fill the To: field with the good e-mail addr and then, move the cursor
to to Subject: field.

I'm a novice in e-lisp.
My problem is:

How can I make this menu appear ONLY in the VM-summary buffer.

How can I open the compose buffer and THEN fill the To: field?

thanks for any answers.


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I have to write some code in a badly written C file. 
In this file, we use a MACRO that defines a function, with its
opening parenthese (the usual "{").

At the end of the function, we have to write the closing parenthese 
(the usual "}").  

Because of this macro that  hiddes the first parenthese, my tab
doesn't work and the (backward-list) (forward-list) functions doesn't
work too !!! (the error message is "mismatched parenthese"). 

Is it possible to let Emacs understand that my macro comprises an 
opening parenthese ???



Following is an example of my code:

/*********************************************************/
#define MY_MACRO(func_name)	void func_name() {


/*********************************************************/
MY_MACRO(my_function) 

int x, y;
 .....

return();

}


Thanks for any help ...

==============================================================================
Michael Zemmour  
ROBCAD/Man
R&D Department

Tecnomatix Technologies Ltd             Tel:      972-9-594714
Delta House                                       972-9-594777
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==============================================================================


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From: Ilan Finci <ifinci@cs.huji.ac.il>
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Subject: saving the messages I send
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 12:21:53 +0300
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Hi,

Is there a way to config the VM mail agant to save the mails I send in a
specified folder ?

If not, is there a way to automaticly CC a mail to myself everytime ?

Thanks,
Ilan

-- 
ifinci@cs.huji.ac.il
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ifinci

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> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Tue Sep  3 02:09:20 1996
> From: Alexander Sturm <mv!sturm@eeiwzb.et.tu-dresden.de>
> Subject: column-number-mode
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> 
> Hi everybody!
> I got the binaries for HP-UX 9.05. I am not able to activate the
> column-number-mode. I tried serveral lines in the .emacs file:
> setq column-number-mode t
> setq-default column-number-mode t
> 
> I did not get an error-message, but nothing happens in the mode line.
> Who can help me?


Try:
(display-column-mode t)

Thomas Steger
steger@tautron.com

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it>
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Richard Cognot writes:
 > >>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it> writes:

 >     giacomo> poll: Interrupted system call
 > 
 >     giacomo> the program shows the message when i move the mouse over
 >     giacomo> a frame, or when i enter a character

 > Unfortunately, the only way to avoid this is to recompile. Either on
 > 10.10, or on 9.05, but you'll have to replace -lxcurses by -ltemcap in
 > the link line.
 >
   [...]
 >
 > Among other things, this broken select() is also causing problems with
 > ^G (just try to interrupt (while t)) and subprocess management.
 > 
 > Richard.

thank you Richard for your reply --- but, i have a problem: at the
moment i'm unable to compile XEmacs, as the node for which we licensed
HP's ANSI C is (very) down...

i dare to suggest that you and Chuck could replace the hp binary
distribution with a more correct one

thank you again

				gb

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Wed Aug  7 1996 on ludde

The following function works in Emacs 19.30, but breaks font-lock-mode in
XEmacs.

Instructions:
1. Visit any buffer that runs font-lock-mode. 
2. Do 'M-x font-lock-test'. 

/Anders

(defun font-lock-test ()
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (let ((buf (get-buffer-create "*Hello*")))
      (set-buffer buf)
      (insert "(defun hello ()\n")
      (insert "  (+ 1 2))\n\n")
      (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
      (setq font-lock-defaults 
	    '(lisp-font-lock-keywords nil nil nil nil))
      (font-lock-fontify-buffer))))


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The following function works in Emacs 19.30, but breaks font-lock-mode in
XEmacs 19.14. Is this a bug?

Instructions:
1. Visit any buffer that runs font-lock-mode. 
2. Do 'M-x font-lock-test'. 

/Anders

(defun font-lock-test ()
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (let ((buf (get-buffer-create "*Hello*")))
      (set-buffer buf)
      (insert "(defun hello ()\n")
      (insert "  (+ 1 2))\n\n")
      (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
      (setq font-lock-defaults 
            '(lisp-font-lock-keywords nil nil nil nil))
      (font-lock-fontify-buffer))))


-- 
______________________________________________________________
                Anders Stenman             
     |          Division of Automatic Control
    /|\         Dept. of EE, Link=F6ping University
    \|/         S-581 83 Link=F6ping, Sweden
    /|\         Phone:  +46 13 284079
   / | \        Email:  stenman@isy.liu.se
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Xemacs 19.14:

I tried to customize my mode line, but can't figure out how to. As far I know,
I have to set the variable modeline-format. It's current value is

("" (#<extent [detached) help-echo keymap 0x4170e4 from no buffer> . modeline-modified) (#<extent
[detached) 0x417090 from no buffer> . modeline-buffer-identification) "   " global-mode-string "
%[(" (#<extent [detached) keymap 0x417074 from no buffer> "" mode-name minor-mode-alist) (#<extent
[detached) help-echo keymap 0x417100 from no buffer> . "%n") modeline-process ")%]----"
(display-column-mode ("" current-line "/" current-column "--")) (line-number-mode "L%l--") (-3 .
"%p") "-%-")


I would like to make two changes:

- Move the indicator for "displaying new mail" near the end of the mode line
- Move the indicator for current-line and current-column to the left, just before
the buffer name is displayed.

The changes should affect modelines in all buffers. Which changes have to be
made to my .emacs? What do the hexadecimal values in my current modeline-format
mean? (They look like a X colour definition).
-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org

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From: rsi@fragola.hr.lucent.com (Rajappa Iyer)
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Travis Koch <travis@arcs.bcit.bc.ca> writes:

>I'm experiencing the same problem under Linux, running on a P75 
>w/48 Meg, the disk drive light never comes on, but it's too slow
>to use.

That's odd... I'm using it on a P75 with 24M and it's just
fine. Couple of things you may want to do... recompile XEmacs with gcc
-O3, or better yet, get the patches for pentium and use gcc -O3
-mpentium. The performance improves noticeably.
-- 
Rajappa Iyer <rsi@bell-labs.com> 		#include <std_disclaimer.h>
   Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those
                            of us who do.

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Hi!

Does anyone know how to print from xoobr besides using the xwd.

				Thanks.

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Subject: Re: delete-word?
Date: 31 Aug 1996 20:31:24 -0700
From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Dave> Hi all.  Could someone show me how to bind a key to a function
that will
Dave> delete a word to the right of the cursor?

The function is kill-word.  To bind it to a key do something like:

(global-set-key [f11] 'kill-word)

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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I am using xemacs to debug perl using xemacs v19.13.  In some of the
perl require("filename") statements I use relative paths ie.
require("gen/source/");
This works fine for perl and the perl debugger, but when I debug under
xemacs using M-x perldb it chokes because it can't find the file.  I
beleive this is because when the xemacs perl debugger changes to a new
perl file it changes the pwd so the relative paths get messed up.

Does anyone have a cure for this?

TIA

=MikeT
hmt@bbt.com

PS.  I'm an emacs/xemacs newbie but so far I think it's great!

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Ive just installed xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-shared and I 
get a segmentation fault when I launch it:-

xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Segmentation fault

I've also tried recompiling using gcc and although there are no obvious 
errors during the compilation I get the same runtime error.

Any suggestions?

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How to activate a SORT by SIZE in dired mode ?       tks

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From: Alexander Sturm <sturm@eeiwzb.et.tu-dresden.de>
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Hi again!
This time I am trying to disable the auto-save-mode. I tried the
following in .emacs:

(setq-default auto-save-mode 0)

I don't understand what is happening than. For some buffers the
auto-save is off and for others it isn't. 
I want to turn it off, because there always occurs an error when the
xemacs tries to autosave! Perhaps someone can help me to correct this or
someone can tell me how it turn it off?

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There sure is!

I have the following in my .emacs:

;; use these to set the default mail locations.
(setq
  vm-primary-inbox                "~/mbox"
  vm-folder-directory             "~/Mail/"
  vm-crash-box                    "~/Mail/CRASH"
  mail-archive-file-name          "~/Mail/SENT"
)


The email-archive-file-name file will automatically contain all
of your sent messages, with no need for cc'ing yourself.


Ilan Finci writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Is there a way to config the VM mail agant to save the mails I send in a
 > specified folder ?
 > 
 > If not, is there a way to automaticly CC a mail to myself everytime ?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Ilan
 > 
 > -- 
 > ifinci@cs.huji.ac.il
 > http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ifinci

==========================================================
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Teknowledge Corporation	      http://www.teknowledge.com/
(415) 424-0500
==========================================================
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>>>>> In article <m2wwyg64y6.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
>>>>> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:
 Dave> Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able
 Dave> to switch to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do
 Dave> this under 19.14?

 Steven> M-x view-lossage
 Steven> C-h l
 Steven> Help-> Recent Keystrokes/Messages

Another alternative:

C-x b _*Messages*
      ^-this is a space

	Robbe

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From: ben@sys.toronto.edu (Benjamin Gamsa)
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I asked a question a little while ago about slow parsing of error
messages in compile-mode (full text repeated below).  I've had no
response whatsoever, so I'd just like to know whether this is because:

        a) no one else has the problem
	b) no one else uses compile-mode (I doubt it)
	c) everyone has the same problem but no one knows the answer
	d) the answer is obvious and everyone thinks someone else will
		answer it
	e) my question never made it out to the wide-world of usenet
	f) no one understands my question
	g) no one cares (I doubt this as well, being the eternal optimist
		that I am :-) )

Thanks for any responses.

	ben

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

It seems that parsing of error-messages in the compile package has
become much slower in xemacs 19.14 compared to 19.13.  I sometimes
have to wait 30 seconds or more to parse the *compilation* buffer
error messages, whereas previously it would take no more than 3-5
seconds.

Any ideas what the problem might be or if there are any workarounds?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
--
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From: Geremy Freifeld <gfreifeld@space.honeywell.com>
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Has Anyone tried to compile/install XEmacs for win-32 with
the GNU tools for win-32?

I just got the GNU tools (i.e gcc, e.t.c) for win-32 recently,
and they appear to work fine.  The library is relatively complete,
except that it doesn't have all of the X stuff. Would it be unreasonable
to try and compile the source with the "no X" option?

-- 
>>>-Geremy--> (An Excited NT User)

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Now,  is there a way to do this WITHOUT putting the word in the kill
buffer?  Sort of a delete-word?

--jp

+> 
+> >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:
+> 
+> Dave> Hi all.  Could someone show me how to bind a key to a function that will
+> Dave> delete a word to the right of the cursor?
+> 
+> The function is kill-word.  To bind it to a key do something like:
+> 
+> (global-set-key [f11] 'kill-word)
+> 
+> -- 
+> steve@miranova.com baur
+> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
+> What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
+> Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 on HP-UX (Performance)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 13:56:15 -0500
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Tony Bennett wrote:
> 
> "bthh" <bthh@datasci.co.uk> writes:
> 
> > I ran "top" at the same times as XEmacs and watched the CPU usage when
> > scrolling through a buffer and it gets upto 97.5% and XEmacs crawls along.
> >
> > This problems is most noticable when you want to move around a buffer using
> > the cursor keys, especially when you want to move several lines or
> > characters.  Holding the appropriate key down moves the point very slowly
> > and continues going after you've released the key (due to some buffering).
> >
> > This has made XEmacs 19.14 almost impossible to use.
> 
> I have the same problem on hpux9.  The problem is very discrete for me.
> 
> When I start XEmacs, all is fine.  At some point a day or just a few hours
> later it goes into slow mode and cpu usage goes way up.  Once it enters slow
> mode even buffers that do not use font-lock are slow.  I do not use func-menu.
> The only thing I've found that returns it to normal speed is to kill all but
> one frame.
> 
> --
> --tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

I have the same problem at work on my new HP400 server running HPUX 10
with two processors and ONE GIG of RAM!

Darren

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Isn't there an easy way to mark or unmark articles? If I go to the
menubar, to Misc...Mark... there are something like 30 different ways
of marking. I'm sure they are all useful, but I'm a newbie at Gnus and
most of them are mysteries to me. (I know, read the manual...) It
would be really handy if there were say 4 buttons: Mark as read,
unread, significant (i.e. don't mark as read even after I've read it),
and remove marks. Is this silly, is it already in place, or should I
just hunker down and learn more about Gnus?

--rick

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"XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Tue Jul  2 1996"

Built with:

   ../configure sparc-sun-solaris2.4 --srcdir=.. --with-tooltalk
   --with-sparcworks --site-includes=/usr/local/include
   --site-libraries=/usr/local/lib --prefix=/ipl/emacs
   --exec-prefix=/ipl/emacs/sparc-SunOS-5.4

If a user has an empty element in PATH, e.g.:

   > setenv PATH :$PATH
   > xemacs -q&

XEMacs gets an error in `sunpro-startup':

   Signalling: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
     string-match("/$" nil)
     (if (string-match "/$" dir) "../" "/../")
   )
     (concat dir (if (string-match "/$" dir) "../" "/../"))
   )
     (setq dir (concat dir (if ... "../" "/../")))
   )
     (while (and path (not found)) (setq dir (car path)) (setq path (cdr path)) (setq dir (concat dir ...)) (setq found (funcall sunpro-dir-p dir)))
   )
     (let ((path exec-path) dir (found nil)) (while (and path ...) (setq dir ...) (setq path ...) (setq dir ...) (setq found ...)) (if found (expand-file-name dir)))
   )
     (cond ((let ... ... ...)) ((let ... ... ...)) ("/opt/SUNWspro/"))
   )
     (defconst sunpro-dir (cond (...) (...) ("/opt/SUNWspro/")) "Directory where Sunsoft Developer Products are installed.")
   )
     (let ((sunpro-dir-p ...)) (defconst sunpro-dir (cond ... ... ...) "Directory where Sunsoft Developer Products are installed."))
   )
     (progn (let (...) (defconst sunpro-dir ... "Directory where Sunsoft Developer Products are installed.")) (and (featurep ...) (fboundp ...) (command-line-do-tooltalk nil)) (require (quote pending-del)) (pending-delete-on nil) (setq bar-cursor 2) (cond (... ...) (... ... ...) (t ...)))
   )
     (if (not (noninteractive)) (progn (let ... ...) (and ... ... ...) (require ...) (pending-delete-on nil) (setq bar-cursor 2) (cond ... ... ...)))
   )
     (when (not (noninteractive)) (let (...) (defconst sunpro-dir ... "Directory where Sunsoft Developer Products are installed.")) (and (featurep ...) (fboundp ...) (command-line-do-tooltalk nil)) (require (quote pending-del)) (pending-delete-on nil) (setq bar-cursor 2) (cond (... ...) (... ... ...) (t ...)))
   )
     sunpro-startup()
     eval((sunpro-startup))
     eval-interactive((sunpro-startup))
     eval-last-sexp(nil)
     call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)

What I did:

- Enable `debug-on-error'.
- `M-x load-library sunpro-init.el'
- `(sunpro-startup)^X-^E'

I noticed `exec-path' has a `nil' in the list in this situation.  With an
indetical PATH, FSF Emacs 19.31 has `"."' in `exec-path'.

Note I could not use `-debug-init' to trace the error message because
`sunpro-startup' is run via:

  (add-hook 'before-init-hook 'sunpro-startup)

I find that feature particularly bothersome since it prevents disabling the
sparcworks setup when XEmacs is built with `--with-sparcworks'.  Most of my
users want that, but I do not.

In summary, I see three problems here:

- `exec-path' contains `nil' for expty elements which shells treat as `"."'.

- `sunpro-startup' does not account for `exec-path' containing `nil'.

- `configure --with-sparcworks' sets up XEmacs so `sunpro-startup' cannot
  be avoided.

--
Ken Laprade			Email: klaprade@harris.com
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I'm running 19.14 under openwindows and xwindows.  In 19.13, functions
that opened a buffer would split the current frame and place the new
buffer in a new window.  19.14 insists on popping up another frame by
either de-iconizing an existing window and placing the buffer in that,
or creating a new frame for the new buffer.  I much prefer the 19.13
behavior.

Setting the 'pop-up-frames' to nil doesn't seem to get the job done,
so what else could I use to force the current frame to split?

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bthh (bthh@datasci.co.uk) wrote:
: I have seen several message over the last few weeks regarding performance
: problems with HP-UX machines.  I have recently installed XEmacs 19.14 on an
: HP 715/64 and it seems to go into severe processor overload mode whilst
: typing.  (It is interesting to note that the same problems do not occur on
: a PC running Linux 2.0.14 and XEmacs 19.14.)

A colleague of mine had the same problem on a SGI Indy running IRIX 5.3.
We both had an xemacs process running on the same machine.  While the
performance of my editor instance was acceptable, my colleague complained, that
his editor was not able to process the keyboard events in the speed they were
typed.  We compared our configurations and the only difference we found
was that my colleague used to open a larger number of frames (about 6-7)
while I am working with only one or two frames at a time.

Since most people with xemacs speed problems report that the performance
at startup time is fine, I assume that they start with only a few frames
open and than create new frames from time to time which seem to slow down the
speed of event procession.  If I create frames on a new xemacs instance,
I have observed that after five and more frames the speed of event procession
becomes unbearable slow.  If I close the frames everything works fine again.

 -- Juergen Weiss

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Hello,

I have a problem wich puzzles me.

Using XEmacs 19.14 I  wrote a minor mode for some key shortcuts I need.
I installed it in site-lisp, added the autoload definition in loaddefs.el
and recompiled it.

Everything works fine if and only if I manually load the loaddefs
after XEmacs was started (it is not recognized before).

Is this normal ? Isn't loaddefs.elc automatically loaded at start time ?

TIA

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> Isn't there an easy way to mark or unmark articles? If I go to the
Rick> menubar, to Misc...Mark... there are something like 30 different ways
Rick> of marking.

Did you notice the characters off to the right of each command?  Those
are the key bindings for faster access to the particular function.

Rick> I'm sure they are all useful, but I'm a newbie at Gnus and
Rick> most of them are mysteries to me. (I know, read the manual...) It
Rick> would be really handy if there were say 4 buttons:

Rick> Mark as read,

d

Rick> unread,

M-u  (Actually this clears other marks)

Rick> significant (i.e. don't mark as read even after I've read it),

!

Rick> and remove marks.

M-u

Rick> Is this silly, is it already in place, or should I just hunker
Rick> down and learn more about Gnus?

Might be a good idea :-).  I would at least advise printing out the
quick reference card and looking over that.
-- 
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: `sunpro-startup' fails parsing nil PATH element
Date: 03 Sep 1996 17:27:07 -0700
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>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Laprade <klaprade@harris.com> writes:

Ken> - `exec-path' contains `nil' for expty elements which shells treat as `"."'.
Ken> - `sunpro-startup' does not account for `exec-path' containing `nil'.

Patch to sunpro-init.c (will be in 19.15):

92c92
<               (setq dir (or (car path) "."))
---
>               (setq dir (car path))

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Hi all,

poor XEmacs performance on HP-UX machines is not only a problem of
version 19.14 but can also be observe with version 19.13.

Our machines are HP9000-J210 with 512MByte RAM, 1GB Swap space.
We have 3 of them, two with HPUX9.05 and one with HPUX10.10.
The problem occurs on each of our machines.

------
Juergen Weiss wrote:

> A colleague of mine had the same problem on a SGI Indy running IRIX 5.3.
> We both had an xemacs process running on the same machine.  While the
> performance of my editor instance was acceptable, my colleague complained, that
> his editor was not able to process the keyboard events in the speed they were
> typed.  We compared our configurations and the only difference we found
> was that my colleague used to open a larger number of frames (about 6-7)
> while I am working with only one or two frames at a time.
> 
> Since most people with xemacs speed problems report that the performance
> at startup time is fine, I assume that they start with only a few frames
> open and than create new frames from time to time which seem to slow down the
> speed of event procession.  If I create frames on a new xemacs instance,
> I have observed that after five and more frames the speed of event procession
> becomes unbearable slow.  If I close the frames everything works fine again.
> 
>  -- Juergen Weiss
--------

This doesn't seem to be the case in our system.  Sometimes the XEmacs
is very slow with just one tiny buffer, sometimes it's fast with
40 big buffers. It can also be fast on a machine that's heavily loaded
and it can be slow on a machine which does (almost) nothing.

My suggestion for this problem is (until someone's got a better one):

Don't worry, be happy...!

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From: anj@dde.dk (Anders Jrgensen)
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Subject: mh-e: error after upgrading to 19.14
Date: 03 Sep 1996 10:50:40 +0200
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I have just upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and now my mh-e gives an error
almost no matter what I do (send a letter, pack a folder, whatever). I
enabled debug on error, and the stacktrace looks like this:

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  mh-goto-msg(799 t t)
  mh-map-to-seq-msgs(mh-notate test "%" 5)
  mh-notate-seq(test "%" 5)
  mh-notate-user-sequences()
  mh-get-new-mail(nil)
  mh-inc-folder()
  mh-rmail()
  #<compiled-function (from "x-toolbar.elc") nil "...(50)" [toolbar-use-separate-mail-frame toolbar-mail-command toolbar-mail-frame frame-live-p make-frame add-hook vm-quit-hook (lambda nil ...) select-frame raise-frame frame-iconified-p deiconify-frame] 3 1181945 nil>()
  call-interactively(toolbar-mail)
  release-and-activate-toolbar-button(#<buttonup-event button1up>)
  call-interactively(release-and-activate-toolbar-button)

The stacktrace always ends in mh-goto-msg (different msg-numbers,
though). Anyone have any ideas?? I'm not that much into elisp myself!

TIA,
Anders
(please cc any followups to anj@dde.dk ...)

-- 
+--Anders Jrgensen, M.Sc.E.E., Basic Development Division, UNIX section,--+
| Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev Hovedgade 199, DK-2730 Herlev, Denmark |
|  Phone: +45 42 84 50 11 - 403, Fax: +45 42 84 52 20, e-mail: anj@dde.dk  |
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I use VM/tm to read my mail. I could not read the following message because of
an error during decoding of the JPEG picture. I tracked the thing down and the
problem seems to be in the built-in JPEG support, not the tm code. XEmacs
complains the JPEG data is incorrect(Unsupported marker type 0x03), however xv
has no problem to display the picture nor has Netscape Navigator.

Is there a fix for that or should I wait for XEmacs 19.15 ?

Regards,

Oscar


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From: Olivier Courtois <Olivier.Courtois@di.epfl.ch>
To: Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch, Patrick.Emmel@di.epfl.ch
Subject: Vers la redemption?
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 08:23:04 +0200
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.
							Le bureau d'a cote
		Venerables mentors	

	Vous serez heureux d'apprendre que j'ai reinstalle Frame sur mon PC, et
qu'on peut donc esperer que je m'en serve!
	Pour vous remercier de me remettre dans le droit chemin de l'orthodoxie
informatique, je vous envoie la photo de notre idole a tous:
				

-- 
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||    _/_/_/ _/_/_/    || Olivier.Courtois@di.epfl.ch
||                   ||
||   _/  _/ _/     _/\ || EPFL-DI-LSP                 ||  Smile,
tomorrow  ||
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-- 
                    _____
     _             / ___ \  | Oscar Figueiredo : EPFL / DI-LSP
    / \_____      / /\_/ /\ |                    CH 1015 Lausanne - Switzerland
   /  _   _ \    / _____/ / | Tel: +(41)(21) 693 2039    Fax:+(41)(21) 693 6680
  / / / / / /\  / /\____\/  |        WWW: http://diwww.epfl.ch/~figueire/
 /_/ /_/ /_/ / /_/ /        | Quote:  "What's the best way to accelerate a PC ?
 \_\/\_\/\_\/  \_\/         |                  ... 9.81 m/s/s"

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it> writes:

    giacomo> thank you Richard for your reply --- but, i have a
    giacomo> problem: at the moment i'm unable to compile XEmacs, as
    giacomo> the node for which we licensed HP's ANSI C is (very)
    giacomo> down...

    giacomo> i dare to suggest that you and Chuck could replace the hp
    giacomo> binary distribution with a more correct one

Right. I now have a binary kit for hpux 9.05 that works properly on
10.10. What should I do with it?

Richard.

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I fetched Xemacs executables for Sparc, SunOS 4.1.3
and installed it following readme file.
Calling xemacs from Xwindows I got:

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource.

Could you comment, please.
Thank you in advance, 
Sergei Vyshenski



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I use XEmacs 19.14 with the Func-Menu provided with the distribution.

I like the Func-Menu package but I often visit files where I don't use 
the Func-Menu and in these cases I don't wan't Func-Menu to spend time 
parsing my file. How can I get Func-Menu to just parse the file if I use 
the Func-Menu bar? 

Brian Munkholm.


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From: Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu>
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A gnuserv newbie here:
Trying to edit a file over an NFS network using gnuclient with the -r option
appends the nfs path to the local path resulting in an invalid path.

Example:
Local path (client node): /local/33/try.txt
NFS path (relative to host m/c running gnuserv): /nfs/node10/33/try.txt

Doing a gnuclient -h master -r /nfs/node10/33 try.txt

Tries opening a file named /nfs/node10/33/local/33/try.txt

What am I doing wrong ?
(Had to download and recompile (just) the gnuserv and client programs in
order to get Xauth support).

TIA.
-- 
srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu

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Oscar Figueiredo writes:
 |--Multipart_Wed_Sep__4_10:12:34_1996-1
 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 |
 |
 |
 |I use VM/tm to read my mail. I could not read the following message because of
 |an error during decoding of the JPEG picture. I tracked the thing down and the
 |problem seems to be in the built-in JPEG support, not the tm code. XEmacs
 |complains the JPEG data is incorrect(Unsupported marker type 0x03), however xv
 |has no problem to display the picture nor has Netscape Navigator.
 |
 |Is there a fix for that or should I wait for XEmacs 19.15 ?
 |
 |Regards,
 |
 |Oscar

Well Oscar, I use VM & metamail.  The picture of Bill Gates worked, or
decoded just fine.  But now I need to search for any micro$oft virus
now! :-)

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>>>>> "bpm" == bpm  <bpm@terraweb.com> writes:

  bpm> Oscar Figueiredo writes:
  bpm>  |--Multipart_Wed_Sep__4_10:12:34_1996-1
  bpm>  |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
  bpm>  |
  bpm>  |
  bpm>  |

  bpm>  |I use VM/tm to read my mail. I could not read the following message because of
  bpm>  |an error during decoding of the JPEG picture. I tracked the thing down and the
  bpm>  |problem seems to be in the built-in JPEG support, not the tm code. XEmacs
  bpm>  |complains the JPEG data is incorrect(Unsupported marker type 0x03), however xv
  bpm>  |has no problem to display the picture nor has Netscape Navigator.
  bpm>  |
  bpm>  |Is there a fix for that or should I wait for XEmacs 19.15 ?
  bpm>  |
  bpm>  |Regards,
  bpm>  |
  bpm>  |Oscar

  bpm> Well Oscar, I use VM & metamail.  The picture of Bill Gates worked, or
  bpm> decoded just fine.  But now I need to search for any micro$oft virus
  bpm> now! :-)

Yes, I had no problem decoding the message and the picture with metamail, the
problem is in the JPEG code that is built in XEmacs 19.14. But just after
posting I thought a little better and came to the conclusion that this wasn't a
bug but rather a feature: XEmacs simply refused to display the picture of Bill
Gates which I won't complain about ! :-))))

Thanks,

Oscar

-- 
                    _____
     _             / ___ \  | Oscar Figueiredo : EPFL / DI-LSP
    / \_____      / /\_/ /\ |                    CH 1015 Lausanne - Switzerland
   /  _   _ \    / _____/ / | Tel: +(41)(21) 693 2039    Fax:+(41)(21) 693 6680
  / / / / / /\  / /\____\/  |        WWW: http://diwww.epfl.ch/~figueire/
 /_/ /_/ /_/ / /_/ /        | Quote:  "What's the best way to accelerate a PC ?
 \_\/\_\/\_\/  \_\/         |                  ... 9.81 m/s/s"

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To: Brian Munkholm <bm@craycom.dk>
From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How do I prevent Func-Menu from initial parsing?
Cc: xemacs@xemacs.org

At 14:10 04/09/96 +0200, Brian Munkholm wrote:

>I like the Func-Menu package but I often visit files where I don't use 
>the Func-Menu and in these cases I don't wan't Func-Menu to spend time 
>parsing my file. How can I get Func-Menu to just parse the file if I use 
>the Func-Menu bar? 

Very easy. In your .emacs file, replace the line

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks  'fume-add-menubar-entry)

with something like this

(define-key global-map "\C-cx" 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

This will then require you to explicitly type Ctrl-c x to make func-menu
appear for a given file.

-- David (func-menu developer)
                    ,,,
                   (@-@)
  +----------oOO----(_)-----------------+
  |             David Hughes            |
  |         Tel: +44 1223 585613        |
  |        dhughes@origin-at.co.uk      |
  |  Origin UK, Science Park, Cambridge |
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                  ooO Ooo


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From: Brian Munkholm <bm@craycom.dk>
To: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
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On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, David Hughes wrote:

>At 14:10 04/09/96 +0200, Brian Munkholm wrote:
>
>>I like the Func-Menu package but I often visit files where I don't use 
>>the Func-Menu and in these cases I don't wan't Func-Menu to spend time 
>>parsing my file. How can I get Func-Menu to just parse the file if I use 
>>the Func-Menu bar? 
>
>Very easy. In your .emacs file, replace the line
>
>(add-hook 'find-file-hooks  'fume-add-menubar-entry)
>
>with something like this
>
>(define-key global-map "\C-cx" 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
>
>This will then require you to explicitly type Ctrl-c x to make func-menu
>appear for a given file.
>
>-- David (func-menu developer)

Thanks. But didn't a previous version work the way I described? Scanning 
the file the first time the menubar was used? Would you consider making 
such a nice enhancement sometime in the future?

Thanks in advance...

Brian Munkholm


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At 16:42 04/09/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Thanks. But didn't a previous version work the way I described? Scanning 
>the file the first time the menubar was used? Would you consider making 
>such a nice enhancement sometime in the future?
>

No! The func-menu entry in the menubar can only appear *after* the file has
been scanned. Caveat Implementor.

-- David


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Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch (Oscar Figueiredo) writes:

> 
> >>>>> "bpm" == bpm  <bpm@terraweb.com> writes:
> 
>   bpm> Oscar Figueiredo writes:
> XEmacs simply refused to display the picture of Bill
> Gates which I won't complain about ! :-))))

Kind of like X-face-too-ugly ;-) hehehe


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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> 1.  You will need a wrapper around set-mark in order to bind it to a
>     key.  Try something like this:

It is not necessary. You can use an unnamed lambda construct, like:
(global-set-key [(control ?2)] '(lambda () (interactive) (set-mark (point))))

> I think you really want to use push-mark, not set-mark, but that is up
> to you.
set-mark-command is even better, e.g.:

(global-set-key [(control ?2)]
  '(lambda (arg) (interactive "P") (set-mark-command arg)))

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Matthieu Quignard wrote:

> Is there any way to indent text in Latex, the way it already does for
> a C code ?

M-q formats a paragraph.

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha         ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

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Benjamin Gamsa wrote:

> It seems that parsing of error-messages in the compile package has
> become much slower in xemacs 19.14 compared to 19.13.  I sometimes
> have to wait 30 seconds or more to parse the *compilation* buffer
> error messages, whereas previously it would take no more than 3-5
> seconds.

I have noticed the same problem.  I've noticed that if I do something to
the compilation buffer (like click the mouse in it), it updates
immediately,
so my admittedly unknowledgable guess is that it has something to do
with
the buffer window getting timely events.

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

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->
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The following will rebind VM's Print button:

(fset 'vm-toolbar-print-command 'ps-vm-print-message-from-summary)
(autoload 'ps-vm-print-message-from-summary "ps-print")

Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to use ps-print-region-with-faces (or something like that)
> to print a message in VM? 
> 
> Frederic
> -- 
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eab21049@inuers8.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.de (Juergen Weiss) writes:

> Since most people with xemacs speed problems report that the performance
> at startup time is fine, I assume that they start with only a few frames
> open and than create new frames from time to time which seem to slow down the
> speed of event procession.  If I create frames on a new xemacs instance,
> I have observed that after five and more frames the speed of event procession
> becomes unbearable slow.  If I close the frames everything works fine again.

I start with 4 frames and never create more.  The speed is fine at first.
At some point (hours or days later) it goes into slow mode.  I have not yet
figured out what triggers it.  If I start to delete frames, it gets faster.

Summary: I think it is frame related, but it isn't simply number of frames 
         for me.  Perhaps it has something to do with same buffer in multiple
         frames...

hpux9.05, gcc

-- 
--tbennett     tony.bennett@divnc.COM

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
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Subject: 19.14 and c++-mode next-error
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I just recently upgraded from 19.13 to 19.14 and 
I am having problems the the c++-mode next-error 
function.  Instead of automatically locating the 
location of the error for me I am prompted with 
this:

Find this error in: (default <filename>) <pathname>

I then have to type the name of the file that the 
error is in.  Pressing return without typing 
a filename results in a beep.  This is highly 
annoying.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is there a 
fix?

I am using:

    XEmacs 19.14
    HP-UX 9.04
    HP9000/891
    HP cc 9.77

I compiled XEmacs from the source with:

    configure --dynamic --with-xmu=no

Any help would be greatly apprieciated.

MikeB

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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I'd really like to start reading my mail with XEmacs, since I do
everything else with it already.  However, I can't seem to understand
how to get VM to work like *I* want it to, so I'm finally asking for
help.

I'd be willing to use either VM or gnus for my mail if I could figure
out how to get it to either leave my current mailboxes alone *or*
allow me easy access to multiple mailboxes.

I sort all my incoming mail with procmail into about 8 different
mailboxes, and I'd like to be able to keep this distinction within
XEmacs.  I tried using VM, and I got it to scan all of my mailboxes,
but it imported all the mailbox contents into the same inbox.  This
sort of defeats the purpose of sorting, in my opinion.  I'm willing to
live with it mangling my mailboxes if I could get it to keep them
separate, although what I'd REALLY like is for it to NOT use it's own
custom inbox and just use my mail spool files directly (I am flexible
on that requirement, though).

I've been using dtmail (the CDE mailer with Solaris) and I have
multiple mailboxes represented by multiple icons.  It'd sure be nice
to have multiple mail buffers, each represented by multiple frames.
Please please please, can someone point me to the right document to
figure this out?  Thanks!

-- Gary F.

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I tried 19.14 but have switched back to 19.13 until I can get a
resolution on a problem I'm having with frames.

In 19.13 I could delete any frame except that last *known* frame.
Fine.  I leave the scratch buffer there and work happily away.

In 19.14 I can delete any frame except the last *mapped* frame.
yikes!  I use HP-VUE so my hand-dandy scratch-buffer-frame is in a
different room (not currently mapped), so I can't delete the current
frame.  I wind up with a mapped frame per VUE room.  Not pretty
for me!

Any ideas?
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:
> 
> Rick> Isn't there an easy way to mark or unmark articles? If I go to the
> Rick> menubar, to Misc...Mark... there are something like 30 different ways
> Rick> of marking.
> 
> Did you notice the characters off to the right of each command?  Those
> are the key bindings for faster access to the particular function.
> 
> Rick> I'm sure they are all useful, but I'm a newbie at Gnus and
> Rick> most of them are mysteries to me. (I know, read the manual...) It
> Rick> would be really handy if there were say 4 buttons:
> 
> Rick> Mark as read,
> 
> d
> 
> Rick> unread,
> 
> M-u  (Actually this clears other marks)
> 
> Rick> significant (i.e. don't mark as read even after I've read it),
> 
> !
> 
> Rick> and remove marks.
> 
> M-u
> 
> Rick> Is this silly, is it already in place, or should I just hunker
> Rick> down and learn more about Gnus?
> 
> Might be a good idea :-).  I would at least advise printing out the
> quick reference card and looking over that.
> -- 

O.K. This is a great help. Overall, I want to say that now that I am
up and running with Gnus, I just love it. However, it took me an awful
long time to learn. Here are my thoughts on why this is so.

Scoring: This was very frustrating. I like the idea of scoring since
it is far superior to killfile technique. So I was desperate to get it
working. The major problem was score file NAMES. I was continually
editing the wrong file and wondering why the scoring wasn't working,
losing confidence in my understanding of scoring, ...etc. I
finally figured out there is an all.SCORE acting as a parent and then
'newsgroup'.SCORE acting on individual groups. I never found this
written anywhere. The 'customize score file' menu item is very well
done except for this one omission. As I say, now that it is working
for me, it is great.

Marking: I find it very strange that something as essential as marking
is buried under the 'Misc' menu item. Further, it is then split into
'read' 'various' 'limit' and 'process mark'. 'read' does not even
contain 'mark as unread'.

Key bindings: I'm sure there are historical reasons for key sequences
containing an upper case 'm', but I can't imagine a better way to
cause confusion in a beginner's brain. Yes, 'M-u' works to remove
marks, but the key binding in the menu is 'M c', which also works, but
of course 'M-c' doesn't.

Button bar: As with the cryptic menubar, the button bar also contains
many buttons I can't decipher ('Catchup and Exit' is fine, but I had
first to learn the non-condiment definition of catchup) and on the
other hand the compose-message window doesn't contain a 'send' button,
but does contain a 'spell' button. This seems weird to me.

General: There is a lot of jargon. I would love to have a Gnus
dictionary to learn the definitions of 'backend' 'wash' etc. This
should be somewhere in Info.

Thanks for listening.

--rick
 

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Best regards,

Ken
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I go txemacs installed with Allegro Lisp. It is properly built, but when
I invoke it from Openwindows it just goes through. I mean I did not get
any message. However, when I run xemacs -help it gives the help message.
Is there need to set some environment or whatever?

Any help will be appreciated.

Dusan Sormaz

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In article <322DA3CA.29A0@fc.hp.com> Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com> writes:

| Benjamin Gamsa wrote:
| 
| > It seems that parsing of error-messages in the compile package has
| > become much slower in xemacs 19.14 compared to 19.13.  I sometimes
| > have to wait 30 seconds or more to parse the *compilation* buffer
| > error messages, whereas previously it would take no more than 3-5
| > seconds.

I'm seeing this too (19.14 on Solaris 2.4) - the *compilation* buffer
"Parsing error messages..." takes _forever_ (a couple of minutes for
large *compilation* buffers).

| I have noticed the same problem.  I've noticed that if I do something to
| the compilation buffer (like click the mouse in it), it updates
| immediately,

"Immediately" as in it immediately starts to "Parse error messages".
But not immediately as in it _finishes_ parsing them :-). That takes
much longer (and XEmacs is "hung" while I wait). FWIW: I can cause it
to immediately stop parsing messages via ^G.

I don't know what to do to track this down. Suggestions?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
When suddenly -- nothing happened.

Steve Tynor		Email:   Steve.Tynor@atlanta.twr.com
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We run 19.14 on sparcstations and I use openwindows.  19.14 exhibits
an irritating behavior that wasn't there in 19.13.

Many functions that open a buffer are opening a new frame to put it
in.  My window mgr (olvwm) either de-iconifies an existing window or
creates a new one for this frame.  Or shifts focus to an existing
window which may be on another screen.  This is irritating when you
are trying to reply to email, or compile something and you have to
look around to find out which window its happening in.

All of us here prefer the behavior of 19.13 which would split the
current frame, and put the new buffer in a window in the current frame.

Neither the 'pop-up-frames' variable or 'pop-up-windows' does the job. 
What can I adjust to make this feature behave like 19.13?

Any help appreciated.
-- 
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From: mpowell@useppa.csee.usf.edu (Mark Powell)
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I have downloaded the java-mode.el from Sun's ftp site and read the README but
I still can't get the thing to work.  I told it to auto-load, and added the
regular expression to the auto-load-alist to make it run the mode when you 
edit a .java file, but it says that some functions are undefined.  

Has anyone got a .emacs file that makes java-mode work?

Thanks,
Mark

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Mark Powell writes:
 > 
 > I have downloaded the java-mode.el from Sun's ftp site and read the README but
 > I still can't get the thing to work.  I told it to auto-load, and added the
 > regular expression to the auto-load-alist to make it run the mode when you 
 > edit a .java file, but it says that some functions are undefined.  
 > 

cc-mode 2.82 which comes with XEmacs 19.14 has a good Java mode, as well as
modes for C, C++ and Objective C.

If you are still using XEmacs 19.13 then you can install cc-mode 2.82, but
this requires a bit of mucking around.

Hugh
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jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) writes:

> 
> I want to compile c code inside xemaxs by invoking a keyboard command, 
> insted of clicking mouse.  How?

Put
	(global-set-key 'f12 'compile)
into your .emacs file (of course, you can use a different keycode).


Markus

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From: William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
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Subject: Re: BUG (?) in JPEG decoding
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Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> writes:

> I use VM/tm to read my mail. I could not read the following message
> because of an error during decoding of the JPEG picture. I tracked the
> thing down and the problem seems to be in the built-in JPEG support, not
> the tm code. XEmacs complains the JPEG data is incorrect(Unsupported
> marker type 0x03), however xv has no problem to display the picture nor
> has Netscape Navigator.
> 
> Is there a fix for that or should I wait for XEmacs 19.15 ?

  I fear this might be my fault.  The old JPEG decoding used temp files
(ugly), so I wrote a JPEG stream that feeds the data from in-memory.  See
if this patch helps.  If it does, then please send me some mail and I'll
try to fix the bug.  Otherwise, I'm not sure what's happening.  Perhaps
mismatched JPEG libraries?

-Bill P.

*** glyphs-x.c	1996/09/05 02:07:33	1.1
--- glyphs-x.c	1996/09/05 02:07:44
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*** 59,64 ****
--- 59,66 ----
  
  #include <setjmp.h>
  
+ #define USE_TEMP_FILES_FOR_IMAGES
+ 
  #define LISP_DEVICE_TO_X_SCREEN(dev)					\
    XDefaultScreenOfDisplay (DEVICE_X_DISPLAY (XDEVICE (dev)))
  

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Due to the numerous requests for information about printing, I'm
posting the responses to these questions to comp.emacs.xemacs.

>>>>> "Perbandt" == Perbandt Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 <Adalbert.Perbandt@mch.sni.de> writes:

Perbandt> Hi,

Perbandt> I just read your info on the printing problem. I have a similar
Perbandt> problem that cannot be solved in the simple way described above.

Perbandt> I want to send the buffer or region to be printed through a
Perbandt> filter first before actually printing. We have SOLARIS 2.5
Perbandt> here and like the little program "mp" that is something like
Perbandt> a formatter. It translates the file data into postscript and
Perbandt> adds nice headers and footers. When I print from a shell it
Perbandt> looks like this:

Perbandt> $ mp -s "My File" myFile | lp 

Perbandt> My problem is: how can I let xemacs do this, preprocessing
Perbandt> through mp and then pipe the data to lp?

Perbandt> I experimented a bit with a script that I declared as
Perbandt> lpr-command but obviously xemacs processes data to be
Perbandt> printed in different ways depending on the context (dired,
Perbandt> buffer or region).

Perbandt> Could you please give me a hint how to solve this?

Perbandt> Thanks in advance.

My first thought is, make a script to do this, but I see you've
already tried that.  I don't know what mp is, but perhaps the problem
is that it cannot use standard input.  All of the different methods of
printing with lpr.el require that standard input be used.

Try a shell script of the form:

#! /bin/sh

/bin/cat > /tmp/XEMACS-print$$

mp -s "My File" /tmp/XEMACS-print$$ | lp $*

/bin/rm -f /tmp/XEMACS-print$$


And see how that works.

>>>>> "Anand" == Anand Krishnaswamy <akrishnaswam@hns.com> writes:

Anand> Hi Steve,

Anand> I went through your xemacs FAQ and still had some questions.

Anand> I am running xemacs on HP-UX.

Anand> 1. How do I turn off automatic scrolling. I would like the
Anand>    horizontal scrollbar to appear though.

I don't know what you mean.

Anand> 2. These are the Printer related options that I set in my .emacs.

Anand>   (setq lpr-command "~/bin/a2ps -1 -l -d -q -nn -s -nu -nL -F10.0 | lp
Anand> -oduplex")
Anand>  (setq lpr-switches '("-dsw2_4si"))

Anand> However, I get an error when I try printing :

Anand> no such file or directory, ~/bin/a2ps -1 -l -d -q -nn -s -nu
Anand> -nL -F10.0 | lp
Anand>  -odupplex

You definitely want to use a script for this.  Try something like:

#! /bin/sh

$HOME/bin/a2ps -1 -l -d -q -nn -s -nu -nL -F10.0 | lp -oduplex $*

This works for me, so hopefully it will work for you as well.

Anand> 3. How do I make the TAB key do tab, rather than indent and
Anand>    make some other key, say F1, do indent.

Beyond redefining it in each mode you use where it appears, you have
very few alternatives.

Words cannot express how much it pisses me off that the default DEL
command is backward-delete-char-untabify, except that this is Emacs,
and since I never have need of such an idiotic function, I can
redefine that function in .emacs to preserve tabs (been doing it that
way since day 1, Emacs 18.52 :-).  This technique only works because
all of the major editing modes use that function exclusively for DEL.
The problem with TAB is different in that the function tends to vary
from mode to mode.

Hope that helps.
-- 
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	Hi.  I recently downloaded the xemacs binaries for my linux box.  
After extracting everything properly (I think) I get the following error 
when I try to execute the xemacs binary:

xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
segmentation fault

	After reading the FAQ and a few old posts, I realized that I 
needed to upgrade my libc stuff.  After downloading version 5.3.12 and 
installing it, I still receive the above error when I try to execute the 
xemacs binary.

	First of all, is it possible that downloading the wrong 
architecture dependent binaries would cause this error?  I wasn't sure 
which i486 file I should download.  I have a pentium based Slackware 
3.0 linux installation.  I have already tried:

xemacs-19_14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-athena_tar.gz
xemacs-19_14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-shared_tar.gz
xemacs-19_14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static_tar.gz

	Which one (if any) is the proper one for my situation?  

	Secondly, I'm wondering if I've installed the new libc stuff 
improperly.  I could not find any specific information on upgrading libc 
anywhere (i.e. a libc-HOWTO or something) so I'm guessing that un-taring 
everything in the archive to the proper directories and then updating the 
two symbolic links is sufficient?  The links I updated are:
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root     13 Aug 25 12:48 libc.so.5 -> libc.so.5.3.12
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root     13 Aug 25 12:50 libm.so.5 -> libm.so.5.0.6
both of which are in /lib

	As one final note, I also took a shot at compiling xemacs myself 
and the make process ran into a very similiar problem.  I don't have the 
exact error message anymore but it was something to do with 'temacs' and 
unable to resolve '_h_errno'

	Any help would be greatly appreciated (especially since classes 
start soon ;-) )  Thanks.



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"Kenneth" =3D=3D Kenneth W Lee <kenlee@congo.morgan.com> writes:

 Kenneth> and every time I start an emacs session, the window
 Kenneth> stalls for about 30 seconds and "garbage collecting...done"
 Kenneth> continually blinks on the bottom of the screen.  This has never 
 Kenneth> happened before, but occurs with every emacs startup now.

 Kenneth> Does anyone know from what buffers the "garbage" is collected
 Kenneth> and does anyone have any suggestions?

I had this behaviour because my .xemacs-options file (produced by
Options -> Save optons) contained a lot of face definitions. This was
du to the fact that I did a Save options when a lot of faces were
curently defined.

Hope this helps,

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Does any one know how to modify the fortran-font-lock-mode-2 so that it
will recognize DO WHILE as a keyword or keep THEN in the keyword-face
even if followed by a comment like this

	if (test) then !comment
	   do that...
Thanks,LP
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>>>>> "William" == William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:

 William> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> writes:
 >> I use VM/tm to read my mail. I could not read the following
 >> message because of an error during decoding of the JPEG picture. I
 >> tracked the thing down and the problem seems to be in the built-in
 >> JPEG support, not the tm code. XEmacs complains the JPEG data is
 >> incorrect(Unsupported marker type 0x03), however xv has no problem
 >> to display the picture nor has Netscape Navigator.
 >> 
 >> Is there a fix for that or should I wait for XEmacs 19.15 ?

I have the same problem, but it seems that it only occurs when I
decode jpeg's that contain comments, like the one Oscar attached to
his message (did it have to be B.G.?).

 William> I fear this might be my fault.  The old JPEG decoding used
 William> temp files (ugly), so I wrote a JPEG stream that feeds the
 William> data from in-memory.  See if this patch helps.  If it does,
 William> then please send me some mail and I'll try to fix the bug.
 William> Otherwise, I'm not sure what's happening.  Perhaps
 William> mismatched JPEG libraries?

Your patch did not help, but I am nor sure if the jpeg library is to
blame. I have linked xemacs against the libs provided in the
libgr-2.0.9 package (Linux-ELF) and the 'djpeg' that uses the same
shared library image does not complain about an unsupported
marker. Maybe the xemacs glyph code is too picky about return values
and this unsupported marker is just some comment that can safely be
ignored? 

I still have another problem though. Most of the time when I load a
jpeg image xemacs prints a message like '40 extraneous bytes before
marker 0xffd' (the actual figures vary) to stderr. This tends to mess
up my console a lot when I use w3.

All the errors above do not occur with jpeg's generated by 'cjpeg' but
they do with those generated by xv, which does add a "Creator:..."
comment.

Holger

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Who can give advice on how to customize xemacs 19.14 such that
-	the fact that incoming mail is waiting is not reflected in the status line, and
-	that the current line/column is printed to the left of the major-/minor-mode
	and not to the right.

Thank you!

Ronald
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Mike Woodard wrote:
> 
> We run 19.14 on sparcstations and I use openwindows.  19.14 exhibits
> an irritating behavior that wasn't there in 19.13.
> 
> Many functions that open a buffer are opening a new frame to put it
> in.  My window mgr (olvwm) either de-iconifies an existing window or
> creates a new one for this frame.  Or shifts focus to an existing
> window which may be on another screen.  This is irritating when you
> are trying to reply to email, or compile something and you have to
> look around to find out which window its happening in.
> 
> All of us here prefer the behavior of 19.13 which would split the
> current frame, and put the new buffer in a window in the current frame.

>From your description, I assume that you do not open the file with
find-file (which would - also in 19.14 - reuse the current window, although 
not split it), but find-file-other-window. 

Probably the best way to acomplish what you want is to define a new
elisp function which first splits the window and then uses find-file
to load the file.
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I'm currently using XEmacs-19.14 along with ClearCase for configuration
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Kevin Scott

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I'm searching an elisp package, which provides a mode for CLIPS.
Does anyone know such a package?

Please reply by email.


Thanks,

Heiko

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From: gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor)
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According to info "M-x print-buffer" should print out file name:
 
`M-x print-buffer'
     Print hardcopy of current buffer using Unix command `print'
     (`lpr -p').  This command adds page headings containing the file
     name and page number.
 
However... Heading has date and page # but no file name.
 
I have tried whatever I understand to add buffer-file-name (I won't
amuse you with examples of my efforts) without success.
 
Any insights appreciated.

Env: XEmacs-19.14, Sol2.5, SS10/51
 
Andy

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According to info, "M-x print-buffer" should print out file name:
 
`M-x print-buffer'
     Print hardcopy of current buffer using Unix command `print'
     (`lpr -p').  This command adds page headings containing the file
     name and page number.
 
However... Heading has date and page # but no file name.
 
I have tried whatever I understand to add buffer-file-name (I won't
amuse you with examples of my efforts) without success.
 
Any insights appreciated.
 
Env: XEmacs-19.14, Sol2.5, SS10/51
 
Andy


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Hi,

I assume this is a little more general Emacs than XEmacs related, but
anyway:

   is there a possibility to achieve the same behaviour in Emacs
   as in vi, where it is possible to include any output from a
   shell command with, say ":r! date". This inserts the actual
   date in the text buffer. I know that I can do "M-x shell",
   "date" and cut and paste, but this doesn't seem to be as
   elegant. 

Any hint appreciated,
Markus

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>>>>> "Franz" == Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

  Franz> [...] I still have another problem though. Most of the time when I
  Franz> load a jpeg image xemacs prints a message like '40 extraneous bytes
  Franz> before marker 0xffd' (the actual figures vary) to stderr. This tends
  Franz> to mess up my console a lot when I use w3.

I have the same.

Oscar

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> >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:
>  Dave> Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able
>  Dave> to switch to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do
>  Dave> this under 19.14?
> 
>  Steven> M-x view-lossage
>  Steven> C-h l
>  Steven> Help-> Recent Keystrokes/Messages
> 
> Another alternative:
> 
> C-x b _*Messages*
>       ^-this is a space

This is what I have always used under gnu emacs, but it doesn't
always/ever work under 19.14 for me.  Any idea why?

Thanks,
Dave


> 
> 	Robbe
> 

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> Dave> Hi all.  Could someone show me how to bind a key to a function
> that will
> Dave> delete a word to the right of the cursor?
> 
> The function is kill-word.  To bind it to a key do something like:
> 
> (global-set-key [f11] 'kill-word)

Hi.  THanks for your help.  This is just what I was looking for.

Dave



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In xemacs 19.14 I try several options to use W3 behind a firewall.
In the documentation I found these informations :

>  Emacs-W3 supports several methods of getting around gateways.  The
> variable `url-gateway-method' controls which of these methods is used.
> This variable can have several values (use these as symbol names, not
> strings):
> "program"
     Run a program in a subprocess to connect to remote hosts (examples
     are itelnet(3), an expect(4) script, etc.).

> "host"
>      Log into another local computer that has access to the internet,
>     and run a telnet-like program from there.

The first option works but is not suitable for my purpose.

When I try the second method, using the following exp :
	(setq url-gateway-method "host")
I have the error message : 
	unknown url-gateway-method host

My question is : is that method implemented in xemacs 19.14 or not ? If
yes what is the right syntax to use it ?

Thanks a lot ...

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In article <322DACFB.7195@mmm.com>, Mike Bresnahan <mbresnahan1@mmm.com> wrote:
>I just recently upgraded from 19.13 to 19.14 and 
>I am having problems the the c++-mode next-error 
>function.  Instead of automatically locating the

I think you mean the compilation-mode next-error function (C-x `)... I
sort of hope so....

Try playing with the setting of compilation-search-path.... I had this
problem for a while. I've just realised I don't understand why my
setting of c-s-p works now... :-o

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>>>>> "HE" == Hugh Emberson <hugh@newsnet.com.au> writes:

    HE> cc-mode 2.82 which comes with XEmacs 19.14 has a good Java
----------------^^^^
should be 4.282

-Barry

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In article <3piv9ucwcr.fsf@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>,
Srinivas Maddhi  <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> wrote:
>Trying to edit a file over an NFS network using gnuclient with the -r option
>appends the nfs path to the local path resulting in an invalid path.

In general, gnuclient/gnuserv isn't too bright about resolving a
filename to a full pathname for a remote machine. 

I personally wrote a perl script and some Lisp to hack around it all,
and en passant automagically cope with using Unix sockets when I'm not
actually crossing machines...

gnuclient can never figure out to strip the "/local" from the start of
your pwd, I don't think.
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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com> writes:

  Gary> I'd really like to start reading my mail with XEmacs, [...] I tried
  Gary> using VM, and I got it to scan all of my mailboxes, but it imported all
  Gary> the mailbox contents into the same inbox.  This sort of defeats the
  Gary> purpose of sorting, in my opinion.  I'm willing to live with it
  Gary> mangling my mailboxes if I could get it to keep them separate, although
  Gary> what I'd REALLY like is for it to NOT use it's own custom inbox and
  Gary> just use my mail spool files directly (I am flexible on that
  Gary> requirement, though).

VM's inbox represents the default mailbox, the one you would like to open
automatically when entering VM. Set it to _one_ of your spool files only. Then
you can read your other mailboxes one by one by using 'Visit Folder' from the
'Folder' menu. This would keep all your mailboxes separated.

Just for information, VM has also a mechanism to sort incoming mail. It's
called 'Virtual Folders' (have a look in the Info files). Using a single spool
file for your mail (that you put into VM's inbox), Virtual Folders let you have
different views of it, selecting only certain mails according to particular
criterions.

Regards,

Oscar

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>>>>> "Markus" == Markus Dickebohm <m.dickebohm@uni-koeln.de> writes:

    Markus>    is there a possibility to achieve the same behaviour in
    Markus> Emacs as in vi, where it is possible to include any output
    Markus> from a shell command with, say ":r! date". This inserts the
    Markus> actual date in the text buffer. I know that I can do "M-x
    Markus> shell", "date" and cut and paste, but this doesn't seem to
    Markus> be as elegant.

C-u M-! date 

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Try this to fix the date/time so that mail notification is not given:

;; display date and time of day on modeline, but do not notify about new mail
(setq display-time-mail-file t)
(setq display-time-day-and-date t)
(display-time)

On Sep 5, 11:46am, Ronald Fischer wrote:
> Subject: how to change the status line (2nd posting)
> Who can give advice on how to customize xemacs 19.14 such that
> -	the fact that incoming mail is waiting is not reflected in the status
line, and
> -	that the current line/column is printed to the left of the
major-/minor-mode
> 	and not to the right.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Ronald
> --
>
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>>>>> "RL" == Roger Lipp <lipp@cup.hp.com> writes:

    RL> In 19.13 I could delete any frame except that last *known*
    RL> frame. Fine.  I leave the scratch buffer there and work
    RL> happily away.

    RL> In 19.14 I can delete any frame except the last *mapped*
    RL> frame.

I've noticed the same change in behavior.

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From: Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>
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Subject: Gnuserv on another display
Date: 05 Sep 1996 08:59:14 -0700
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Hi all,

I just started using XEmacs 19.14. Playing with several displays is
really fun. Especially in the following situations:

I start XEmacs on a first display (say ":0.0"), then
(server-start)

I then go to another office, on another display (say "tx:0.0"), where
I type:
% gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "tx:0.0")'

Great! This is really fabulous...
Then I fetch a TeX document (AUC-TeX mode), do lots of typing. As
usual in such cases, I hit C-c C-c, until I get View, which means,
start xdvi on the dvi-file. OK, this is what I want.

But nothing happens. xdvi opened on the other display (":0.0"). I had
to call it with "-display tx:0.0".

Is there any way to get this to work correctly (well, more
intuitively)?

Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

BTW: this make-frame-on-display is really incredible!!!

BTW2: this is my first post with GNUS: if you notice something
incorrect in my header, please let me know: this package seems to me
incredibly complex...


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hi all,

How should i do to have the keyboard under xemacs
and under a shell when i am working with X and Linux?
the shell keyboard is OK but i lost it when i work with
xemacs.

thank you very much in advance,

steeve

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Subject: Re: How do I prevent Func-Menu from initial parsing?
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:21:43 -0600
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Brian Munkholm wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, David Hughes wrote:
> 
> >At 14:10 04/09/96 +0200, Brian Munkholm wrote:
> >
> >>I like the Func-Menu package but I often visit files where I don't use
> >>the Func-Menu and in these cases I don't wan't Func-Menu to spend time
> >>parsing my file. How can I get Func-Menu to just parse the file if I use
> >>the Func-Menu bar?
> >
> >Very easy. In your .emacs file, replace the line
> >
> >(add-hook 'find-file-hooks  'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> >
> >with something like this
> >
> >(define-key global-map "\C-cx" 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> >
> >This will then require you to explicitly type Ctrl-c x to make func-menu
> >appear for a given file.
> >
> >-- David (func-menu developer)
> 
> Thanks. But didn't a previous version work the way I described? Scanning
> the file the first time the menubar was used? Would you consider making
> such a nice enhancement sometime in the future?

The current version will build the func menu the first time it's used if
you don't put the menu in the menubar.

Remove the 

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks  'fume-add-menubar-entry)

line from your .emacs, and just use <Ctrl>-Button3 to access the menu as
a popup.  That way the file isn't parsed until you first try to use the
func menu.

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

->----------------------------------------------------------------------
-> "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in."
->
-> Leonard Cohen - Anthem

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Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> Scoring: This was very frustrating. I like the idea of scoring since
> it is far superior to killfile technique. So I was desperate to get it
> working. The major problem was score file NAMES. I was continually
> editing the wrong file and wondering why the scoring wasn't working,
> losing confidence in my understanding of scoring, ...etc. I
> finally figured out there is an all.SCORE acting as a parent and then
> 'newsgroup'.SCORE acting on individual groups. 

And lots of "rec.all.SCORE" (etc) files, for instance.

> I never found this written anywhere.

It is documented in the "Score Variables" section of the manual...

> Marking: I find it very strange that something as essential as marking
> is buried under the 'Misc' menu item. Further, it is then split into
> 'read' 'various' 'limit' and 'process mark'. 'read' does not even
> contain 'mark as unread'.

Well, I would have put a "mark as unread" entry in there somewhere,
but it would be confusing for people who are used to GNUS 4.1
terminology -- "mark as unread" there meant what "tick" does now.  

> Key bindings: I'm sure there are historical reasons for key sequences
> containing an upper case 'm', but I can't imagine a better way to
> cause confusion in a beginner's brain. Yes, 'M-u' works to remove
> marks, but the key binding in the menu is 'M c', which also works, but
> of course 'M-c' doesn't.

It didn't occur to me at the time that people would mis-read `M c' as
`M-c', probably thinking that `M c' is a typo.  But people do, so it
was a mistake using an `M' submap.  It's too late to change now --
people have gotten used to the current keymap.

> Button bar: As with the cryptic menubar, the button bar also contains
> many buttons I can't decipher ('Catchup and Exit' is fine, but I had
> first to learn the non-condiment definition of catchup) and on the
> other hand the compose-message window doesn't contain a 'send' button,
> but does contain a 'spell' button. This seems weird to me.

Yes.  The Message toolbar hasn't been designed yet.

> General: There is a lot of jargon. I would love to have a Gnus
> dictionary to learn the definitions of 'backend' 'wash' etc. This
> should be somewhere in Info.

The "Terminology" section in the manual defines most of the jargon. 

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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From: Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>
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On XEmacs 19.14, using GNUS 5.2.25:

is there something equivalent to the good old gnus-local-organization
(under Gnus 4.1.3)? The same for gnus-local-domain? More generally,
how do you decide what goes in the header when you post?

Also, where can I find info about the .gnus file?

Thanks in advance.
---Alain.

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I was successfully able to compile xemacs-19.14 on an DecStation 5000/240
with Ultrix4.2. I had to use a patch sent to me by Erik Magnuson.

But, now when i run xemacs the minibuffer message says: Memory exhausted
even before i start anything. when i try to open a file or do anything else it
consistently prompts Memory exhausted. I have 128MB of RAM and am not running
anything else!


I tried to debug it using Options/General Option/Debug on Error, but the
minibuffer message said:Entering debugger... an then does nothing.

Does anyone know what the problem is? I tried to trace the code and found
regex.c and alloc.c complaining about memory. 
I was not able to run xemacs in dbx, it gave me this error:
 
 I/O possible [read.read:18 +0x8,0x5fc2c8]


thanks in advance.

-Shashi

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Juergen Weiss wrote:
> 
> Since most people with xemacs speed problems report that the performance
> at startup time is fine, I assume that they start with only a few frames
> open and than create new frames from time to time which seem to slow down the
> speed of event procession.  If I create frames on a new xemacs instance,
> I have observed that after five and more frames the speed of event procession
> becomes unbearable slow.  If I close the frames everything works fine again.
> 

I use xemacs 19.14 at work on a Sparc Solaris 2.4 workstation without 
any problems, (and it's running continuousely with multiple buffers, for
days/weeks at a time).

At home, under Linux on a P75, w/ lots of RAM, I bring up xemacs with a 
single buffer, it starts ok, but all I have to do is scroll the screen
a couple of pages with the arrow keys and I'm in slow mode.

:-(

-- 
Travis Koch, ARCS Lab, BCIT   http://www.arcs.bcit.bc.ca
Software Developer / UNIX Systems Administrator

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I am running Xemacs 19.14 on a DEC Alpha 500 and the time on the modeline is off
by 7 hours. I do not have this problem on a Sun Sparc 20. How do I corect this
problem?


-- 
Rohan L. Fernando
email: rohan@iastate.edu

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Alexander Sturm wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody!
> I got the binaries for HP-UX 9.05. I am not able to activate the
> column-number-mode. I tried serveral lines in the .emacs file:
> setq column-number-mode t
> setq-default column-number-mode t
> 
> I did not get an error-message, but nothing happens in the mode line.
> Who can help me?

	Sounds familiar :-)
	What I found to be very helpful, was
	'Programming in Emacs Lisp: An Introduction'
	I got my PostScript version from ftp.xemacs.org,
	Chapter 16 is the one you want. It more or less
	shows you how to customise your modeline.
	(I've got the hostname, full path, modes, line
	 and column numbers and time in mine. Easy!)

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Prashant Patel wrote:
> 
> When I ran the xemacs following errors are occuring.  I have no clue
> about these library.  If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate.
> -------------
> output
> 
> /lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library: /usr/lib/libdbm.sl
> /lib/dld.sl: No such file or directory
> ------------------------
>                                 Thank You

You either need to recompile XEmacs configured with --with-database=no
or install the HP-UX fileset package that includes /usr/lib/libdbm.sl
(some development tool fileset, I think).

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Hi,
   I just downloaded Xemacs version 19.14 for linux (motif static), and
tried to run it. It did absolutly nothing!
 
   The hard drive flickers off and on every now and then, put nothing
ever gets displayed. It's doing something becuase it using 3% CPU resouces.

   When I run it in text mode or using -nw it works fine. So it's something
to do with the X side of things.

   I'm running Linux 2.0.0 with Slackware 3.0 as the base. (All libraries etc
have been updated for Linux 2.0.0).

   Any help would be appreciated. 

   Thanks,
           Troy

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Hi,

Plat form: Sun Solaris 2.5.

I apologize if this is an FAQ. I use the xemacs interface to 
dbx. I would like to haveit behave the same way gdb interface 
does. Specifically, I want to bind
C-x space to set break point at current line of the source 
file. 

I tried using lisp/comint/dbx.el, but could not find how I can 
achieve this.

Please post here or email. 



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From: joel@exc.com (Joel M. Hoffman)
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>well many *do* agree with him.  it is also not clear just what is meant by
>`rewriting emacs in java'.  five possibilites exist:
>
>1 replace the elisp with java.  c-code is a java machine.
>2 replace the c-code with java, the java code would make a lisp
>  interpreter which in turn would run elisp.
>3 both the c-code part and the elisp are implemented in java.
>4 make c-code virtual machine to run java in emacs as well as elisp.
>5 java coded emacs base which can run more java and elisp.

Let's just go all the way and write a c-compiler in Java.... :-)

-Joel [who thinks Java is a monumental waste of time.]
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How do you set the command line switches in the "Printing Options"? I
would like to set the -P option to direct where the output should go but
I haven't been able to get the correct format for the switch. I have
tried ("-Pp2"), "-Pp2", (-Pp2) and lots of other variations. Usually
when I print I get an error that says "Wrong type argument: consp,
"(\"-Pp2\")" or Wrong type argument: consp "\"-Pp2\"".  What is the
correct syntax for setting a "consp"?

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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Someone else wrote:
> Another alternative:
> 
> C-x b _*Messages*
> ^-this is a space

Dave> This is what I have always used under gnu emacs, but it doesn't
Dave> always/ever work under 19.14 for me.  Any idea why?

That's because the buffer is called
	SPC*Message-Log*
in XEmacs 19.14.
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[Directing this to gnu.emacs.gnus, the newsgroup for discussion of Gnus]
>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> O.K. This is a great help. Overall, I want to say that now that
Rick> I am up and running with Gnus, I just love it. However, it took
Rick> me an awful long time to learn. Here are my thoughts on why this
Rick> is so.

Rick> Scoring: This was very frustrating. I like the idea of scoring
Rick> since it is far superior to killfile technique. So I was
Rick> desperate to get it working. The major problem was score file
Rick> NAMES. I was continually editing the wrong file and wondering
Rick> why the scoring wasn't working, losing confidence in my
Rick> understanding of scoring, ...etc. I finally figured out there is
Rick> an all.SCORE acting as a parent and then 'newsgroup'.SCORE
Rick> acting on individual groups. I never found this written
Rick> anywhere. The 'customize score file' menu item is very well done
Rick> except for this one omission. As I say, now that it is working
Rick> for me, it is great.

A major problem with documenting how the score file names work is due to
the wide variety of customization that can be done with the names.

Rick> Marking: I find it very strange that something as essential as
Rick> marking is buried under the 'Misc' menu item. Further, it is
Rick> then split into 'read' 'various' 'limit' and 'process
Rick> mark'. 'read' does not even contain 'mark as unread'.

I don't particularly care for the menubar layout either, and find it
mostly awkward to deal with.

Rick> Key bindings: I'm sure there are historical reasons for key
Rick> sequences containing an upper case 'm', but I can't imagine a
Rick> better way to cause confusion in a beginner's brain. Yes, 'M-u'
Rick> works to remove marks, but the key binding in the menu is 'M c',
Rick> which also works, but of course 'M-c' doesn't.

I don't remember either, though a search through the Gnus development
mailing list archives
	http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/
might turn something up.

There has been some confusion, but much less than with some other
features like Gcc:.

Rick> Button bar: As with the cryptic menubar, the button bar also
Rick> contains many buttons I can't decipher ('Catchup and Exit' is
Rick> fine, but I had first to learn the non-condiment definition of
Rick> catchup) and on the other hand the compose-message window
Rick> doesn't contain a 'send' button, but does contain a 'spell'
Rick> button. This seems weird to me.

That seems odd to me too.  I don't remember whether enhancing the
message mode toolbar is on the TODO list for Red Gnus (the next
version) but it ought to be.

Rick> General: There is a lot of jargon. I would love to have a Gnus
Rick> dictionary to learn the definitions of 'backend' 'wash'
Rick> etc. This should be somewhere in Info.

There is a section called `Terminology' in the manual:
	http://www.miranova.com/sgnus-man/gnus_189.html


Terminology
 ...   
   backend
          Gnus gets fed articles from a number of backends, both news and
          mail backends. Gnus does not handle the underlying media, so to
          speak--this is all done by the backends.


Washing is an index entry, and has a section in the manual:
	http://www.miranova.com/sgnus-man/gnus_79.html

  Article Washing

   We call this "article washing" for a really good reason. Namely, the A
   key was taken, so we had to use the W key instead.
     
   Washing is defined by us as "changing something from something to
   something else", but normally results in something looking better.
   Cleaner, perhaps.
     


Rick> Thanks for listening.

No problem.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Scott <kev@hpqt0180.sqf.hp.com> writes:

Kevin> I'm currently using XEmacs-19.14 along with ClearCase for configuration
Kevin> management. The vc functions work well with this setup, with the
Kevin> exception of "Diff against last function" which uses cleardiff and
Kevin> produces a very difficult to read output.

Kevin> Has anyone looked at enhancing this so that it uses ediff-buffers for
Kevin> the diffed output ?

It would require some hacking to the methodology that VC uses for executing
commands.  It is currently setup to execute a subcommand and then show the
results in a buffer.  You'd have to change this methodology to execute an
internal emacs command and ignore the results somehow.  *PERHAPS* an easier
way could be done by changing the subcommand that vc uses from "cleardiff" to
some sort of "gnudoit" command, but I'm not going to try it.

You could always call ediff-files directly and give it a file name like:

	file@@/main/version


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hi, I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on a sparc5 with sunos 4.1.3_U1

does anybody else see this error?

Symbol's funciton definition is void: il-temp-buffer-show-function


I get this sometimes when completing things with tab or sometimes when
I want do C-h v and type a variable name for help on it.

I don't always get this, but when I do it's frustrating.

any ideas?

Thanks,

- Mark

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Has anyone successfully used etags on *.java files so that you can use
find-tag to locate a tag?

-- 
Ed Goei

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I do the following in my .emacs file:

;; so that printing is done via "lpr -Plw414"
(setq lpr-command "lpr")
(setq lpr-switches '("-Plw414"))

Hope that this helps.

Joel.


On Sep 5,  2:56pm, David Hinz wrote:
> Subject: Q:How to set printer options
> How do you set the command line switches in the "Printing Options"? I
> would like to set the -P option to direct where the output should go but
> I haven't been able to get the correct format for the switch. I have
> tried ("-Pp2"), "-Pp2", (-Pp2) and lots of other variations. Usually
> when I print I get an error that says "Wrong type argument: consp,
> "(\"-Pp2\")" or Wrong type argument: consp "\"-Pp2\"".  What is the
> correct syntax for setting a "consp"?
>
> Thanks,
> dave.
> --
> David Hinz --- MCI Telecommunications Corporation
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Has anyone heard of ECoLisp?

 It seems to me that the reason XEmacs is so slow is that the lisp is
interpretted.  How hard would it be to re-implement XEmacs lisp using
ECoLisp?  I can see several advantages to doing so...

 I will help you, if you like.  I have lots of time.  (No experience,
and little knowledge as yet, but time.)

ecl-0.24  README
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is ECoLisp (ECL), an Embeddable Common Lisp implementation.

ECL is an implementation of Common Lisp designed for being embeddable
into C based applications.

ECL uses standard C calling conventions for Lisp compiled functions,
which allows C programs to easily call Lisp functions and
viceversa. No foreign function interface is required: data can be
exchanged between C and Lisp with no need for conversion.

ECL is based on a Common Runtime Support (CRS) which provides basic
facilities for memory managment, dynamic loading and dumping of binary
images, support for multiple threads of execution.  The CRS is built
into a library that can be linked with the code of the application.
ECL is modular: main modules are the program development tools (top
level, debugger, trace, stepper), the compiler, and CLOS.  A native
implementation of CLOS is available in ECL: one can configure ECL with
or without CLOS.  A runtime version of ECL can be built with just the
modules which are required by the application.

The ECL compiler compiles from Lisp to C, and then invokes the GCC
compiler to produce binaries.

ECL has been ported so far on:

 - Sun workstations with SunOS 4.x or Solaris 2.x
 - Silicon Graphics with IRIX 4.x
 - NeXT with NeXTStep 2.x
 - IBM PC with DOS/emx
 - IBM PC with DOS/go32
 - IBM PC with Linux 1.0 to 1.2
 - IBM PC with FreeBSD 1.1.5

The newest versions are available via anonymous ftp from:

 - ftp.icsi.berkeley.edu [128.32.201.7], directory /pub/ai/ecl
 - ftp.di.unipi.it [131.114.4.36], directory /pub/lang/lisp

The distribution is in compressed tar file named like ecl-XX.tar.gz
where XX is the version number.
Once you have obtained the distribution, you should extract its content
with the command:

	zcat ecl-XX.tar | tar xf -

This will create the directory 'ecl'.
Among the files in this directory you will find one named INSTALL which
gives further instructions to proceed with the installation.

For information, comments, bug reports, send mail to:

	attardi@di.unipi.it

Giuseppe Attardi
  Dipartimento di Informatica
  corso Italia 40
  I-56125 Pisa, Italy

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I'm using XEmacs 19.14 in an SGI Indy R5000 running IRIX 6.2.  I want the
vertical scroll bar to appear on the left of the window.  I have tried the
following line in my .Xdefaults, as suggested in Stallman and Wing's "XEmacs
User's Manual":

Emacs*EmacsFrame.scrollBarPlacement: bottom-left

but upon starting up xemacs, I always get the following error message in the
shell:

Warning: Cannot convert string "bottom-left" to type scrollBarPlacement

I have also tried:

*scrollbar.placement: bottom-left

which does not give an error message, but is ignored by XEmacs, meaning that
the scrollbars still appear in the bottom right.  Am I doing something wrong,
or is XEmacs just being particularly stubborn here?

Joel Shapiro.


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You need to run the 'ldconfig' command as root so that ld.so can catalog
the shared libs.  It should be run by the boot scripts, but when you
install a new library, you need to run it by hand once unless you want
to reboot.

-- 
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In article <3226FA92.1647@uab.ericsson.se>,
	Bengt Nordberg <etxengt@uab.ericsson.se> writes:
>Hi,
>Locate a file called emacsclient, use it as editor in your program.
>Write M-x server-start in the command line. Now when you trigger the
>editor it should pop up as a buffer in your emacs appliation.
>
>Bengt

Better yet, put the line
(server-start)
into your .emacs file.
Then make sure "emacsclient" is in your PATH, and put
setenv EDITOR emacsclient
into your .login file. 

It would be nice if emacsclient were smart enough to start up an
emacs if one is not already running, but it won't do this.  You
could easily construct a little shell-script wrapper, though, and
use this as your default editor.

#!/bin/csh
emacsclient $1
if ( $status == 1 ) then
   xemacs&
   sleep 10  # let it wake up
   emacsclient $1
endif

This could clearly be improved upon, but it works for me.  (The "sleep" 
is pretty inelegant; perhaps the client could poll until emacs wakes up?)

Save the above script as something like "/usr/local/bin/myemacsclient"
and use "myemacsclient" as your default editor.

-- 

=============================
| Charles G. Waldman        |      
| Princeton Gamma-Tech, Inc.|
| cgw@pgt.com               |
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From: vanmelle@parc.xerox.com (Bill van Melle)
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Subject: missing Control-G interrupt in 19.14
Date: 5 Sep 1996 21:25:48 GMT
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I'm running the out-of-the-box, pre-built binaries for xemacs 19.14 on a
Sparc 10 running SunOs 4.1.3.  Problem: control-G does not interrupt random
computations; it only seems to be read when emacs is already in an i/o
wait.  Simple example: evaluate (while t) in the *scratch* buffer and try
to interrupt it with ctrl-g.  This worked fine for me in 19.13, but in
19.14 the process is not interruptable.  Any ideas?

(My colleagues running Solaris 2.5 say they don't have this problem, but
I'm not quite ready to change operating systems yet...)

	Bill



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>>>>> "Troy" == Troy Edward Robinette <troyr@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> writes:

Troy> Hi,
Troy>    I just downloaded Xemacs version 19.14 for linux (motif static), and
Troy> tried to run it. It did absolutly nothing!
 
Troy>    The hard drive flickers off and on every now and then, put
Troy> nothing ever gets displayed. It's doing something becuase it
Troy> using 3% CPU resouces.

Troy>    When I run it in text mode or using -nw it works fine. So
Troy> it's something to do with the X side of things.

Troy>    I'm running Linux 2.0.0 with Slackware 3.0 as the base. (All
Troy> libraries etc have been updated for Linux 2.0.0).

I just saw a system that behaved exactly as you describe.  The
/etc/hosts file was trashed.  Do you at least have an entry there that
looks like:
127.0.0.1       localhost

Also check to make sure you do not have the bogus line
route add -net 127.0.0.1
in any of your rc files.  It should be either `route add -net 127.0.0.0'.

XEmacs appears to be more sensitive to these kind of configuration
errors than other X11 programs.
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Dave Wreski wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  To see what happens on the modeline, I used to be able to switch
> to the *Messages* buffer in 19.31.  How can/do I do this under 19.14?
> 
> Thanks, from a 19.14 newbie,
> Dave Wreski
> 
> --
> echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D3F204445524F42snlbxq'|dc

The name of the messages buffer has been changed to ' *Message-Log*'.
Note that it begins with a space.

You can also see the past X number of messages by doing 
M-x view-lossage (C-h l).

-- 

Hunter

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>  It seems to me that the reason XEmacs is so slow is that the lisp is
> interpretted.  How hard would it be to re-implement XEmacs lisp using
> ECoLisp?  I can see several advantages to doing so...
> 
>  I will help you, if you like.  I have lots of time.  (No experience,
> and little knowledge as yet, but time.)


In order to accomplish this task in a non-trivial way, using ECoLisp
or other lisp->C tool, you need to be able to translate emacs-lisp
into a kind of C code used by emacs implementors internally, in
writing the built-in functions.

You must be able to use specific calling conventions used internall y
by emacs built-ins. If you look at these, you'll find a set of
conventions and idioms that you'll have to be able to generate; there
are also "shortcuts", allowing to switch from expensive lisp calling
conventions to fast C calling conventions if you know exactly which
functions you call and do not want to indirect via a symbol, etc etc
etc.

You might want to take a look at all this, find common patterns and
than experiment with a lisp-> c tool you like/understand most.

This task might be harder than you might think, but it is well-defined
(just look at the code examples from your emacs C source
distribution), and despite the fact that the translated C code still
will be not quite as fast as hand-written and that emacs built-ins are
by definitions always slower than conventional C code, the idea of
such translation has a lot of merit.

I actually had evaluated the idea a couple of years ago and concluded
that it is doable, having the right tools (I had tools fairly well
suitable for that task :-), but I did not have time to do it right.

Dmitry


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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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How do I add a button on the default menu bar to delete buffer and close screen?

Simple enough Eh! but I don't know how to do it.

More advanced how do I add this to all menu bars globally??

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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Hi,
	Most likely it's FAQ, but I couldn't find it there...
	
	I found how the binary characters are _displayed_
	(and that stuff about "ctl-arrow")... But how can
	I _enter_ let's say 0218 code into a file?

	For things like ^A it's obvious - <Ctrl-Q><Ctrl-A>
	works fine. But what to do with these?

	Thanks!
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
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to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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If you have been having problems with PostScript printing, please see
Part 6.


            Changes to the XEmacs FAQ for the Month of August 1996
                                       
Modified Questions

    1. Q1.0.5 August 15 (Updated with comments from Erik Naggum)
    2. Q2.0.12 September 5 (Added procedure to allow stripping the XEmacs
       binary)
    3. Q2.1.14 August 8 (Hanging frames and C-g)
    4. Q3.3.4 August 18 (Speeding up func-menu and function name in the
       mode line)
    5. Q3.10.5 August 8 (Losing selection when paging against the
       boundaries of the buffer)
    6. Q5.1.1 August 16 (Key sequences differences between emacsen)
    7. Q5.0.12 August 27 (gnuserv-screen => gnuserv-frame)
       
New Questions

    1. Q4.7.4 August 8 (trouble- shooting AucTeX installation).
    2. Q5.1.5 August 12 (Displaying a glyph as annotation).
    3. Q5.3.12 September 5 (Print setup)
       
Deleted Questions

    1. Q1.0.14 August 8 (lignux & rms)
       
Other Changes

   None.

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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
          + Q6.0.2 Printing problems in XEmacs 19.14
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Printing problems in 19.14

   There have been widespread reports of printing problems in XEmacs
   19.14. There is one nasty bug that also appears in GNU Emacs, that may
   be causing difficulties.
   
   If you are having troubles with postscript printing, go into the file
   lisp/packages/ps-print.el and look for the variable ps-print-prologue.
   There are four bogus comment lines that look like:
    1. % \20x
    2. % \24x
    3. % \30x
    4. % \34x
       
   Just delete them, and rebytecompile the file by typing at the command
   line:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile ps-print.el

   This change should allow you to print postscript. Please note that
   this bug also appears in GNU Emacs 19.34.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 5

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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.0.14 was removed on August 8.
    2. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 15.
    3. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 26.
       
   This file was last modified on August 26, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
                 [updated]
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
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Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged? [updated]

   There are currently irreconcilable differences in the views about
   technical, programming, design and organizational matters between RMS
   and the XEmacs development team which provide little hope for a merge
   to take place in the short-term future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
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Subject: Q1.0.14 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.3.2 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q4.7.4 was added on August 8.
       
   This file was last modified on August 8, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
               o Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX [new]
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages? [updated]

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX [new]

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...
   
   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.10.5 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q3.3.4 was updated on August 18.
       
   This file was last modified on August 18, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off? [updated]
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off?
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off? [updated]
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn
	this off?  [updated]

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

   David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:
   If you have 19.14 or later, try this instead; you'll still get the
   function name displayed in the modeline, but it won't attempt to keep
   track when you modify the file. To refresh when it gets out of synch,
   you simply need click on the Rescan Buffer option in the
   function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off?

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off? [updated]

   Like this:
(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

   Thanks to T. V. Raman <raman@adobe.com> for assistance in deriving
   this answer.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.1.5 was added on August 12.
    2. Q5.1.1 was updated on August 16.
    3. Q5.0.12 was updated on August 27.
    4. Q5.3.12 was added on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame? [updated]
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs? [updated]
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
               o Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?
                 [new]
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hangs when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?
               o Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?
                 [new]
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame? [updated]

   If you set the gnuserv-frame variable to the frame that should be used
   to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs? [updated]

   Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes; Emacs has a legacy of keyboards
   that produced characters with modifier bits, and therefore map a
   variety of input systems into this scheme even today. XEmacs is
   instead optimized for X events. This causes an incompatibility in the
   way key sequences are specified, but both Emacs and XEmacs will accept
   a key sequence as a vector of lists of modifiers that ends with a key,
   e.g., to bind M-C-a, you would say [(meta control a)] in both Emacsen.
   XEmacs has an abbreviated form for a single key, just (meta control
   a). Emacs has an abbreviated form for the Control and the Meta
   modifiers to string-characters (the ASCII characters), as in
   "\M-\C-a". XEmacs users need to be aware that the abbreviated form
   works only for one-character key sequences, while Emacs users need to
   be aware that the string-character is rather limited. Specifically,
   the string-character can accomodate only 256 different values, 128 of
   which have the Meta modifier and 128 of which have not. In each of
   these blocks, only 32 characters have the Control modifier. Whereas
   [(meta control A)] differs from [(meta control a)] because the case
   differs, "\M-\C-a" and "\M-\C-A" do not. Programmers are advised to
   use the full common form, both because it is more readable and less
   error-prone, and because it is supported by both Emacsen.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer? [new]

   Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data
                           (buffer-substring
                           (point-min)
                           (point-max)))))

   The thing I couldn't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
   from the contents - like it does for files. So it's a real pain to
   extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work? [new]

   For regular printing there are two variables that can be customized.
   
   lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes standard input and
          sends it to a printer. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-command "lp")

   lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list that contains whatever the print
          command requires to do its job. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-switches '("-depson"))

   For postscript printing there are three analogous variables to
   customize.
   
   ps-lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes postscript on
          standard input and directs it to a postscript printer.
          
   ps-lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list of switches required for
          ps-lpr-command to do its job.
          
   ps-print-color-p
          This boolean variable should be set t if printing will be done
          in color, otherwise it should be set to nil.
          
   NOTE: It is an undocumented limitation in XEmacs 19.14 that postscript
   printing (the Pretty Print Buffer menu item) requires a window system
   environment. It cannot be used outside of X11.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.1.14 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q2.0.12 was updated on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

-- 
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I'd like to fontify some new classes that we normally use
in C++ mode (like Strings, Array, List, Matrix, etc.).

I tried adding code to .*emacs* and then even to

   .../xemacs-19.14/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/font-lock.el

and then recompiled to generate a new .elc file but it still
didn't recognize the new types. 

How should I be doing this "correctly"?

Thanks for any feedback.

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>
> On XEmacs 19.14, using GNUS 5.2.25:
> 
> is there something equivalent to the good old gnus-local-organization
> (under Gnus 4.1.3)? The same for gnus-local-domain? More generally,
> how do you decide what goes in the header when you post?

Sorry to follow-up to my own post: I just noticeed that I can use the
two variables in GNUS 5.2.25 as well.

However, they do not appear in GNUS Index in info.

> Also, where can I find info about the .gnus file?

I still did not find that.

---Alain.


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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Woodard <mwoodard@atm.dsccc.com> writes:

Mike> We run 19.14 on sparcstations and I use openwindows.  19.14 exhibits
Mike> an irritating behavior that wasn't there in 19.13.

Mike> Many functions that open a buffer are opening a new frame to put it
Mike> in.  My window mgr (olvwm) either de-iconifies an existing window or
Mike> creates a new one for this frame.  Or shifts focus to an existing
Mike> window which may be on another screen.  This is irritating when you
Mike> are trying to reply to email, or compile something and you have to
Mike> look around to find out which window its happening in.

I believe 19.15 will have the same behaviour as 19.13.

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Hi there,

I just installed gnu emacs 19.30 on our Indi II SGI!
I notice, I can't get the C specific key word color
coding feature going. Does emacs support this feature
or do I have to get lemacs (if so, where would be
the location of source for SGI's running irix 6.2)... I would
love to hear from you if you have any leads on this!

Thanks in advance,

Payam

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Nelson <nelson18@llnl.gov> writes:

  Scott> I'd like to fontify some new classes that we normally use
  Scott> in C++ mode (like Strings, Array, List, Matrix, etc.).

  Scott> I tried adding code to .*emacs* and then even to

  Scott>    .../xemacs-19.14/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/font-lock.el

  Scott> and then recompiled to generate a new .elc file but it still
  Scott> didn't recognize the new types. 

  Scott> How should I be doing this "correctly"?

Well I won't say the following is the "correct" way to do it, especially
because the font-lock regexp built in this way is not particularly efficient (I
really need to fix that), but it is simple to use (you just need to add your
types to mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types) and since I don't have very large C
files I don't see too much difference.

(setq mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types 
      '("BOOL" "INT32"))

(let ((custom-types-keywords '()))
	(mapcar '(lambda (name)
            (setq custom-types-keywords 
			            (cons (list (concat "[ \t\n(]\\(" name "\\)[ \t\n;)]") 1 'font-lock-type-face)
			            custom-types-keywords)))
		      mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types)
	(setq mP-cc-font-lock-keywords (append custom-types-keywords
					                               c++-font-lock-keywords-2)))

(put 'c-mode 'font-lock-defaults '(mP-cc-font-lock-keywords t nil ((95 . "w") (126 . "w")) beginning-of-defun))
(put 'c++-mode 'font-lock-defaults '(mP-cc-font-lock-keywords t nil ((95 . "w") (126 . "w")) beginning-of-defun))
(put 'objc-mode 'font-lock-defaults '(mP-cc-font-lock-keywords t nil ((95 . "w") (126 . "w")) beginning-of-defun))


Hope this helps,


Oscar

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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Parsons <eparsons@cs.toronto.edu> writes:

  Eric> I've installed tm7.78 for mime support in gnus and vm in XEmacs, but am
  Eric> having troubles sending messages with a base64 attachment.  When I hit
  Eric> "\C-c\C-c" to send the file, I get an error with the following
  Eric> traceback:

  Eric> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument integer-or-marker-p nil)
  Eric> [...]

Upgrade to tm7.81 or later (latest is tm7.82), this has been fixed.

Keep in mind however that tm7 is alpha code. There are serious bugs still
remaining but the code evolves rapidly. Be careful. I suggest anyone using tm
to subscribe to the mailing lists for information about new versions and known
bugs.

Best Regards,

Oscar

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I'm trying to install Xemacs 19.14 on a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, which
configure correctly identifies as a mips-sni-sysv4. I had to do a little
hand-configuring because of the weird filesystem tree, and I do not have
GCC. But still it seemed to work until make output:

....

/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h   858:
[warning]:   1077 'new' is a C++ reserved word
/usr/include/alloca.h     9: [warning]:   2161 Function used as parameter
lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [syntax]:    2538 ''{'' expected
lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [error]:     2512 Storage class 'extern' is illegal
lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [error]:     2509 'xlw_creation_table' not a parameter
lwlib-Xlw.h     7: [error]:     2512 Storage class 'extern' is illegal
lwlib-Xlw.h     7: [error]:     2509 'xlw_create_dialog' not a parameter

...etc.

There are also a lot warnings prior to o the above output. Anyone any
experiences or advice?

TIA, Peter

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Sabaini <cccp@htunix.tu-graz.ac.at> writes:

    Peter> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h 858: [warning]: 1077 'new' is a C++
    Peter> reserved word /usr/include/alloca.h 9: [warning]: 2161
    Peter> Function used as parameter lwlib-Xlw.h 6: [syntax]: 2538
    Peter> ''{'' expected lwlib-Xlw.h 6: [error]: 2512 Storage class
    Peter> 'extern' is illegal lwlib-Xlw.h 6: [error]: 2509
    Peter> 'xlw_creation_table' not a parameter lwlib-Xlw.h 7:
    Peter> [error]: 2512 Storage class 'extern' is illegal lwlib-Xlw.h
    Peter> 7: [error]: 2509 'xlw_create_dialog' not a parameter

    Peter> ...etc.

    Peter> There are also a lot warnings prior to o the above
    Peter> output. Anyone any experiences or advice?

Likely, you're compiling with the C++ compiler, not the C compiler. If
it's a single compiler for both, there is probably a compiler switch
that enables you to select the language you're compiling.

Richard.

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I use major-mode buffer sorting most of the time.  This is a pain when
alternating between 2 or 3 files.  Is there a way to bind keys to
commands for going back and forward in the most-recently-used buffer
list?


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Chris Mungall writes:
 > I use major-mode buffer sorting most of the time.  This is a pain when
 > alternating between 2 or 3 files.  Is there a way to bind keys to
 > commands for going back and forward in the most-recently-used buffer
 > list?
 > 

Use bury-buffer.  There doesn't seem to be a standard unbury, but
someone posted a definition sometime ago.  From my .emacs:

(defun mat-unbury-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((bufs (buffer-list))
         (entry (1- (length bufs)))
         val)
    (while (not (setq val (nth entry bufs)
                      val (and (/= (aref (buffer-name val) 0)
                                   ? )
                               val)))
      (setq entry (1- entry)))
    (switch-to-buffer val))
)

I bind bury/unbury to buttons below the toolbar.  My toolbar is setup
as follows:

(if (and (featurep 'toolbar) (eq (device-type (selected-device)) 'x)) 
    (progn (remove-specifier default-toolbar 'global) 
           (add-spec-list-to-specifier 
            default-toolbar 
            '((global 
               (nil 
                [toolbar-file-icon find-file t "Open a file"] 
                [toolbar-spell-icon toolbar-ispell t "Spellcheck"] 
                [toolbar-disk-icon save-buffer t "Save buffer"] 
                [toolbar-printer-icon mat-print-with-faces t "Print (pretty) buffer/region"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-cut-icon x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"] 
                [toolbar-copy-icon x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"] 
                [toolbar-paste-icon x-yank-clipboard-selection t "Paste from clipboard"] 
                [toolbar-replace-icon query-replace t "Replace text"] 
                [toolbar-undo-icon undo t "Undo edit"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-last-win-icon bury-buffer t "Previous buffer"] 
                [toolbar-next-win-icon mat-unbury-buffer t "Next buffer"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-compile-icon compile t "Compile"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-mail-icon vm t "Mail"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-info-icon toolbar-info t "Information"] 
                nil
;                [info::toolbar-exit-icon save-buffers-kill-emacs t "Exit XEmacs"] 
                ))))))

-- 

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3C) of Thu Jul  4 1996 on penelope

A colleague just showed me that all the Solaris 1 and 2 netscapes and
xmosaics that we have coredump when visiting www.microsoft.com.  With
premature regret I fired up an XEmacs, expecting at most a political or
religious Lisp error signaled, but I was not to be disappointed...

I am proud to confirm that XEmacs also coredumps with this URL:

 (gdb) where
 #0  0xef55eeec in dbytecp ()
 #1  0xe72ac in get_internet_address (host=808445204, address=0xefffd338, 
     errb=ERROR_ME) at process.c:1311
 #2  0xe75c4 in Fopen_network_stream_internal (name=810408000, 
     buffer=809204424, host=808445204, service=80) at process.c:1392
 ...

And the relevant bit of code:

 memcpy (&address->sin_addr, host_info_ptr->h_addr, host_info_ptr->h_length);

Yes, indeed, it is a sinful address, and ye shall not enter into it...

But, on the slightly more serious side, XEmacs shouldn't really coredump,
even when visiting The Devil's Domain.

Simon.

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SM> == Simon Marshall <simonm@penelope.esrin.esa.it>

 SM> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3C) of Thu Jul 4 1996 on
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 SM> penelope A colleague just showed me that all the Solaris 1 and 2
 SM> netscapes and xmosaics that we have coredump when visiting
 SM> www.microsoft.com.  With premature regret I fired up an XEmacs,
 SM> expecting at most a political or religious Lisp error signaled, but I
 SM> was not to be disappointed...

Guess what?  It's not XEmacs that has the bug.  It's SunOS.

Fixed in a jumbo libc patch, or install BIND 4.9.4-P1 which is a better
idea anyway.

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XEmacs handling of images larger than the emacs window is
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Bengt

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From: Lynn Hyde <lhyde@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com>
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Subject: c-indent-level question
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I want to set up xemacs so that my c-mode will give me the following
indentation:

main()
{
   if(true)
   {
       printf("Hello");
   }
}


Before I have succeeded with setting

setq-default c-indent-level 4
setq-default c-continued-statement-offset -5

etc etc in my .emacs file.

But on xemacs IT DONT WORK!! WHY?

Cheers for any help

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SM> == Simon Marshall <simonm@penelope.esrin.esa.it>

 SM> XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3C)

 SM> A colleague just showed me that all the Solaris 1 and 2 netscapes and
 SM> xmosaics that we have coredump when visiting www.microsoft.com.

It's a SunOS bug; it's fixed by either installing BIND 4.9.4-Patch1 (and
relinking any statically linked programs that were using the old libc
implementation of gethostbyname() with libresolv.a) or a jumbo libc patch.

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
                               -- Judge Stewart Dalzell in _ACLU v. Reno_

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Dear (X)emacs users, 
please find below my .emacs file and my rb.el file of lisp functions
with comments: I hope you find (some of) them useful. 
Since I am using Xemacs-19.14, part of the code might need to be changed
for Emacs or older versions of Xemacs. The directories below are for a
Sun installation: change them according to your file organization.
All my personal functions begin with rb-.
Main features: movement and killing by words completely redefined and
easily customizable (see other implementations by Kai Grossjohann and
Jari Aalto as well); modeline customization with new features (e.g.,
total number of lines and column number starting at 1); marking by whole
lines using just the up or down keys without complicated mouse-dragging;
case flipping function that performs three different tasks according to
the existence of a region and to the cursor position; redefinition of
page-by-page movement; a simple dos-to-unix file conversion.

;;;; My .emacs begins here
;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings

; It is better to load .xemacs-options at the beginning!

; General settings:
(setq inhibit-startup-message t)
; Enable several backup files:
(setq version-control t)
; Enable auto-wrap for some modes:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
; Set auto-line-wrap at 72:
(setq-default fill-column 72)
; Set tab at 6th column:
(setq-default tab-width 6)

;; "Visual" improvements:

; Change the shape of the pointer in the window both on text and on blanks.
; Default is "xterm"; also availale
; dot, sb_h(or v)_double_arrow, sb_up(down)_arrow, left(right)_ptr, 
; watch, cross, and many more:
(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph "left_ptr")
(set-glyph-image nontext-pointer-glyph "cross")

; Change icon glyph
(set-glyph-image frame-icon-glyph "/home/pss025/lus/badii/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/cthomp.xpm")

; Force display of line/column number: (column-number-mode 1) also works
; but doesn't allow full modeline customization as made in my file rb.el 
; (see below):
(line-number-mode 1)                   

; Set colours for second entry in modeline to be the same as for minor-mode:
(set-extent-face modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)

; Associate additional file extensions to various modes:
(setq auto-mode-alist
	(append '(("\\.bashrc$"  . ksh-mode)
		    ("\\.xinitrc$" . ksh-mode))
		  auto-mode-alist))
; Don't let the pointer stay at end of line when moving vertically (this
; is the default in Xemacs-19.14 by the way):
(setq track-eol nil)
; Prevent down-arrow-key from adding blank lines at the bottom of the text:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)
; Set scrolling to one line only:
(setq-default scroll-step 1)
(setq scroll-step 1)
; Simplify yes-no questions:
(fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p)
; Minibuffer resizing
(autoload 'resize-minibuffer-mode "rsz-minibuf" nil t)
(resize-minibuffer-mode)
(setq resize-minibuffer-window-exactly nil)

; Unset annoying key bindings: 
; C-x f, which sets the line-wrap column to the present position,
(global-unset-key "\C-xf")
; M-k, which deletes a sentence,
(global-unset-key "\M-k")
; C-j, which performs mode-specific indenting operations (remains active
; in TeX-mode, however, despite the local-unset-key: see rb-LaTeX-setup
; later)
(global-unset-key "\C-j")
(local-unset-key "\C-j")

;;;; Console-type dependent definitions
(if (eq (console-type) 'x)
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; X-window
    (blink-cursor-mode t)
; You may add as many definitions as you like here: e.g., key bindings.
)                             ; Blinking cursor
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; tty console
    (blink-cursor-mode 0)
; You may add as many definitions as you like here: e.g., key bindings.
)                             ; Non-blinking cursor
)

;;;; Loading libraries and require statements:

;; Definition of a personal elisp directory: I have put my definitions
;; in the file rb.el in directory ~/elisp.

(defconst rb-elisp-path-root (expand-file-name "~/elisp"))
(defconst rb-auctex-path-root (expand-file-name "~/auctex-9.4g"))

; added only if not member of load-path already.
  (if (null (member rb-elisp-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-elisp-path-root load-path)))
  (if (null (member rb-auctex-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-auctex-path-root load-path)))

(require 'cl)     ; Common Lisp extensions (.../lisp/cl/cl.el)
(require 'tinycb) ; J. Aalto's circulate buffers utility: very useful!
(load "rb")       ; Personal library ~/elisp/rb.el

;;;; Key bindings

;; Delete-backspace:

(keyboard-translate 'delete     'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace  'delete)
;; See J. Aalto's emacs-key.gui guide for more details on the old 
;  delete-backspace problem.
; None of the above works in tty.
; Alternative working in x-windows: (load "delbackspace")
;; End Delete-backspace

;; F-key bindings: see file rb.el for explanations.

;; F1 goes to the beginning of the next line
(global-set-key 'f1 'forward-line)
;; Shift-F1 goes to the end of the next line
(global-set-key '(shift f1) 'rb-end-next-line)
;; Ctrl-F1 executes goto-line
(global-set-key '(control f1) 'goto-line)
;; F2 cuts marked region
(global-set-key 'f2 'kill-region)
;; F3 copies marked region to kill-ring
(global-set-key 'f3 'kill-ring-save)
;; F4 pastes region
(global-set-key 'f4 'yank)
;; Shift-F4 pastes older kills
(global-set-key '(shift f4) 'yank-pop)
;; F5 sets the mark
(global-set-key 'f5 'rb-set-mark)
;; Shift F5 unmarks the region
(global-set-key '(shift f5) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F6 marks a line: after this is pressed, they up-down keys (see their
;; redefinition later) extend the region by whole lines, avoiding also
;; end- or beg-of-buffer errors.
(global-set-key 'f6 'rb-mark-line)
;; Shift F6 unmarks the region: same as CTRL-G
(global-set-key '(shift f6) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F7 `Delete-line'
(global-set-key 'f7 'rb-delete-line)
;; Shift F7 `undo'
(global-set-key '(shift f7) 'undo)
;; F8 `delete-to-end-of-line'
(global-set-key 'f8 'kill-line)
;; F9 `open-line'
(global-set-key 'f9 'rb-open-line)
;; Shift F9 opens line before the current one
(global-set-key '(shift f9) 'rb-open-up-line)
;; Control F9 'duplicate-line'
(global-set-key '(control f9) 'rb-dup-line)
;; F10 `save-buffer'
(global-set-key 'f10 'save-buffer)
(global-set-key '(shift f10) 'save-some-buffer)
;; F11 repeats search forward
(global-set-key 'f11 'isearch-repeat-forward)
(global-set-key '(shift f11) 'word-search-forward)
;; F12 repeats search backward
(global-set-key 'f12 'isearch-repeat-backward)
(global-set-key '(shift f12) 'word-search-backward)

;; Control-key bindings: ticb- refers to J. Aalto's tinycb.el

(global-set-key '(control b)       'rb-show-buffers)
(global-set-key '(control e)       'rb-save-and-quit)
(global-set-key '(control f)       'rb-flip)
(global-set-key '(control j)       'rb-join-line)
(global-set-key '(control n)       'ticb-next-buffer) 
(global-set-key '(control o)       'find-file)
(global-set-key '(control p)       'ticb-previous-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control q)       'rb-kill-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control w)       'write-file)
(global-set-key '(control left)    'rb-back-word)
(global-set-key '(control right)   'rb-for-word)

;; Meta-key bindings:

(global-set-key '(meta r)          'query-replace)
(global-set-key '(meta left)       'beginning-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta right)      'end-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta down)       'scroll-up)
(global-set-key '(meta up)         'scroll-down)
(global-set-key '(meta -)          'rb-k-back-word)
(global-set-key '(meta =)          'rb-k-for-word)

;; Other key bindings:

(global-set-key '(up)              'rb-mrkl-up)
(global-set-key '(down)            'rb-mrkl-down)
(global-set-key '(home)            'rb-home-key)
(global-set-key '(end)             'rb-end-key)
(global-set-key '(prior)           'rb-page-up)
(global-set-key '(next)            'rb-page-down)

(global-set-key '(control next)    'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control prior)   'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control meta d)  'rb-dos-to-unix)

;;;; TeX-related definitions

; Auctex-Library initialization:

(require  'tex-site)
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook   'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'rb-LaTeX-setup)

(defun rb-LaTeX-setup ()
  "Customization for LaTeX"
  (LaTeX-math-mode)
  (setq fill-column 76)
  (local-set-key '(control j) 'rb-join-line)
  )
(setq LaTeX-math-list '(
  (?e "varepsilon" "greek") ; Added to the greek menu
  (?w "omega " "greek")     ; blank to distinguish from existing `o = omega
                            ; Personal additions in menu rb:
  (?_ "emptyset" "rb")      ; redefined from default `0 in Misc Symbol
  (?0 "ldots" "rb")         ; default was not assigned
                            ; Functions not assignable to a menu:
  (?1 rb-bf)
  (?2 rb-it)
  (?3 rb-ref)
  (?4 rb-cite)
  (?5 rb-subscr)
  (?6 rb-supscr)
  (?7 "to")
  (?8 rb-limit)
  (?9 "sum")
))

;;;; Lisp-related definitions

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'rb-lisp-setup)

(defun rb-lisp-setup ()
  "Customization for Lisp"
; temporary:
(global-set-key '(meta a)       'rb-find-tag-1)
(global-set-key '(meta b)       'rb-find-tag-2)
)
;;;; My .emacs ends here

;;;; Beginning of file ~/elisp/rb.el
;;
;; Invaluable help has been received in several forms (either direct or 
;; indirect as, e.g., via the (X)emacs newsgroups) by several people, among
;; whom I wish to thank particularly the following: 
;; Jari Aalto, Stephen Eglen, Kai Grossjohann, Jens Emmerich, Andreas Schwab, 
;; Andy Norman, Chris Madsen, Chris Ryder, Gary Dezern, Uri Blumenthal.
;;

; Modeline customization (see modeline.el for defaults and check
; carefully differences between Emacs and Xemacs. E.g., purecopy and
; redraw-modeline: the former may not have a correspondent in Emacs and
; the latter goes into force-mode-line-update):

(defvar rb-mode-line-count nil
   "Total number of lines in the buffer converted to a formatted string.")

(defvar rb-cols-plus-one nil
   "Column number plus one (i.e., the column at which the cursor appears), 
converted to a formatted string.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-mode-line-count)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-cols-plus-one)

(defun rb-mode-line-count ()
  "Returns the total number of lines in the current buffer and 
the current column, starting at column 1, into strings stored in 
the variables rb-mode-line-count and rb-cols-plus-one, respectively,
suitable for display in the modeline."
  (if line-number-mode
	(progn
	  (setq rb-mode-line-count (format "/%i " (count-lines 1 (point-max)))
		  rb-cols-plus-one (format "Column: %i" (+ (current-column) 1)))
	  (redraw-modeline))))

; Add function mode-line-count to post-command-hook:
 (or (memq 'rb-mode-line-count post-command-hook)
     (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rb-mode-line-count))

; The following takes less space than the default and has no unnecessary
; hyphens:
(defconst modeline-modified (purecopy '(" %1*%1+ "))
  "Modeline control for displaying whether current buffer is modified.")

; The following substitutes the default (space-consuming) string "Xemacs:"
; If desired, it may be made larger by adding spaces or other characters, 
; for example, using purecopy again as in the previous constant or just 
; a string between quotes. A single character is sufficient to me since
; I do not use the middle mouse button to switch buffers: J. Aalto's
; tinycb with a key binding is much better.
(defconst modeline-prev-buf (char-to-string 174)
  "Modeline mousable symbol for switching to the previous buffer: e.g.,
character 174 yields the registered-trade-mark symbol.")

; Number 14 below is the maximum number of characters allocated for the
; buffer name (default 17)
(defconst modeline-buffer-identification
  (list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-prev-buf)
	(cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " %14b")))
  "Modeline control for identifying the buffer being displayed.
When the mouse pointer is on the symbol preceding the buffer name, 
button 2 switches to the previous buffer; when on the buffer name, 
it switches to the next one. Major modes that edit objects other than 
ordinary files (e.g., Info, Dired, ...) may change this format.")

; The following is the format of the modeline:

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    (list ""
			  'modeline-buffer-identification ": "))
		    (purecopy "")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy "%[")        ; spaces and "(" after %[ removed
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist " "))
		    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy "%]")                ; removed ")" before %]
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "   Line: %l"))
		    (purecopy 'rb-mode-line-count) ; Added function
		    (purecopy 'rb-cols-plus-one)   ; Added function
		    (purecopy " ")                 ; blank inserted
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy "                            ")))
; The final blanks prevent the mouse pointer from triggering the
; "toggle-read-only" function (caused by make-modeline-wrapper).
; Excess blanks are ignored.

; End of modeline customization

; Constants:

(defconst rb-word-chars  "a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters constituting a word.")

(defconst rb-nonw-eol  "^a-zA-Z0-9\n"
   "Set of characters neither in rb-word-chars, nor eol.")

(defconst rb-blank-tab  " \t"
   "Set containing blank and tab.")

; TAGS: they enable viewing function definitions via the command
; Meta-. function-name. Implementation: 
; 1) Create a file ETAGS with a script containing the lines
;      tagsfile=/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS
;      xlisp=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
;      etags `find $xlisp -name '*.el' -print` -o $tagsfile
; 2) In order to have only a few files, improve the above by restricting
;    the choice (possibly writing their names to a file);
; 3) Include the present file rb.el in the list as well.
; 4) Include the following two commands in .emacs
;    (setq tag-table-alist
;          '(("\\.el$" . "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")))
;    (visit-tags-table "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")
;
; Temporary solution (see functions rb-find-tag-n below and 
;                     corresponding key bindings in .emacs):

(defconst rb-tags-file1
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/simple.el"))

(defconst rb-tags-file2
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/files.el"))

;;;; Variables:

(defvar rb-mark-line-p nil 
  "Flag used by rb-mrkl-down and -up to handle region extensions. Set to nil
by rb-set-mark and to true by rb-mark-line.")

;;;; Functions:

(defun rb-find-tag-1 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file1."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file1))

(defun rb-find-tag-2 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file2."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file2))

(defun rb-show-buffers ()
  "Show buffer menu in a popup window"
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(defun rb-save-and-quit ()
  "Saves and quits the current buffer"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-buffer)
  (kill-buffer nil))

(defun rb-kill-buffer ()
  "Quits the current buffer without asking for confirmation if not modified."
  (interactive)                     ; The asterisk is missing to prevent
  (if (eq buffer-read-only t)       ; an error message if buffer is read-only
	(kill-buffer nil)             ; If read-only, just quit,
    (if (not (buffer-modified-p))   ; else, if not modified
	  (rb-save-and-quit)          ; save and quit or, if modified,
	(kill-buffer nil)))           ; quit (with explicit confirmation,
  )                                 ; as of command kill-buffer.

(defun rb-delete-line ()
  "Deletes the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (eolp)           ; If beginning of line and eol coincide
    (kill-line)        ; just kill-line
    (progn             ; otherwise, the line is not blank and
      (kill-line)      ; an additional character needs to be deleted.
      (delete-char 1))))

(defun rb-dup-line ()
  "Duplicates the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (insert
      (buffer-substring (point)
                        (save-excursion
                          (forward-line 1)
                          (point))))))

(defun rb-join-line ()
  "Joins current and next line adding a space at the junction"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (delete-char 1) 
  (fixup-whitespace))

(defun rb-open-line ()
  "Opens a new line from any position in the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (newline))

(defun rb-open-up-line ()
  "Opens a new line before the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (not (bobp))
	(progn
	  (forward-line -1)
	  (end-of-line)
	  (newline)
	  )
    (newline)))

; Emacs users should substitute "_" with a command, to be put at the end
; of this and a few other following functions, which has the same effect
; as Xemacs' (setq zmacs-region-stays t):
(defun rb-end-next-line ()
  "Goes to the end of the next line extending the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-home-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at bol, it goes to bol; otherwise it goes to the 
beginning of the previous line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))
	(if (bolp)
	    (forward-line -1)
	  (beginning-of-line))))

(defun rb-end-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at eol, it goes to eol; otherwise it goes to the
end of the next line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))
	(if (eolp)
	    (progn
		(forward-line)
		(end-of-line))
	  (end-of-line))))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the cursor down window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line wdh)))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line (- wdh))))

(defun rb-wrap-para ()
  "Wraps (i.e., fills and justifies, leaving whitespace untouched except
at newlines) the region if this is active; if not, wraps the current
line."
  (interactive "*")
  (if (region-active-p)
	(fill-region (point) (mark) t t)
    (progn 
	(beginning-of-line)
	(set-mark-command nil)
	(end-of-line)
	(fill-region (point) (mark))
	(delete-backward-char 1))))

; Normal set-mark command: no marking by whole lines enabled:
(defun rb-set-mark ()
  "Places the mark at point and sets rb-mark-line-p to nil."
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p nil)
  (set-mark-command nil))

; Marking by whole lines enabled: see functions rb-mrkl-down (up) below.
(defun rb-mark-line ()
  "Marks the current line"
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p t)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (set-mark-command nil)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-for-word ()
  "Conditional forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,          go to the first non-blank character on the next line;
if on space or tab, go to the next non-blank character; 
if in a word,       go to the first non-blank character past the current word;
if elsewhere,       go to the next word-beginning or to eol."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; go to the
	    (forward-line 1)                    ; next line,
	    (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab)   ; first non-blank character
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  curr)        ; If the cursor is on a
	    (progn                              ; space or tab, then go
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; to the next non-blank
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else (not at eol) but
          (progn                              ; on a word constituent, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars); go to next non-blank 
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; past current word
	    )
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-nonw-eol)  ; go to the next word or eol
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-back-word ()
  "Conditional backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,               go back until a non-blank character is found;
if after a space or tab, go to the previous non-blank character, but 
if at beg-of-word,       go to the previous word beginning or non-blank;
if inside a word,        go to the first character of the current word;
if elsewhere,            go to the previous non-blank."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                      ; if at beginning of line,
	  (progn                                      ; then
	    (forward-line -1)                         ; go to the previous line
	    (end-of-line)                             ; at the and and on
	    (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)        ; the last non-blank.
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  prch)              ; if after a space or tab,
	    (progn                                    ; go to the previous
		(skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)      ; non-blank.
		(let (( pprch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
		  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" pprch)   ; if on a word, skip
			(skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)  ; back one word, else
		    (backward-char))                       ; back one char
		  )                                        ; end inner let
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch)       ; if after a word
		(progn                                  ; constituent, go 
		  (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)   ; back to beg-of-word
		  )
          (progn                              ; anything else,
		    (backward-char)               ; back one character
		)
	    )))                                 ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-for-word ()
  "Conditional kill-forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,                 join next line and leave one blank character;
if on space, tab,          kill forward until a non-blank character is found; 
if in a word,              kill that word and following blanks;
if elsewhere,              delete current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; same as rb-join-line
	    (delete-char 1)
	    (fixup-whitespace)
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" curr)         ; If on a space
	    (progn                              ; or tab, then kill
		(kill-region (point)              ; next blanks and tabs
				 (progn 
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
		 ))                               ; closing the two progn's
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else, if on a 
		(progn                            ; word constituent, then
		(kill-region (point)              ; kill forward until
				 (progn               ; a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
		)
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(delete-char 1)                   ; delete current character
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-back-word ()
  "Conditional kill-backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,                 delete previous character;
if after a space or tab,   delete previous blanks and tabs;
after a word constituent,  delete previous word and previous blanks;
if elsewhere,              delete backward character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                ; If at bol, 
	    (delete-backward-char 1)            ; delete previous character
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" prch)         ; If after a space or tab,
	    (kill-region (point)                ; kill previous
			     (progn                 ; blanks and tabs
				 (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point)))
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch) ; else, if after a word
		(kill-region (point)              ; constituent, kill backward
				 (progn               ; until a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
	    (progn                              ; if after anything else,
	     (delete-backward-char 1))          ; delete previous character
	   )))                                  ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-down ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the down-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs next-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))                    ; If at end-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
                                      ; marking mode are active, then
	    (let ((bef (point))                 
		    aft)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (end-of-line)         ; Looking for the aft(er)
		    (setq aft (point)))   ; position of point.
		  (if (< aft (point-max)) ; This is to avoid unmarking
			(progn              ; if an end of buffer
			  (forward-line)    ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )                       ; here, the aft(er) position is found
	    (if (>= (point) (mark))     ; If (1): if point lower than mark
		  (if (bolp)              ; go down one line if already at bol
			(forward-line)      ; else, extend the mark to the
		    (forward-line 2)      ; next line as a whole
			)
		(if (and (>= (mark) bef ) (< (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here the 
                                      ; point is above the mark: if it moves
			(progn              ; below it, reset mark at beg-of-line
			  (goto-char (mark))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (set-mark-command nil)
			  (forward-line 2))
		    (forward-line)        ; else, forward line
		    )                     ; end if (2)
		)                         ; end if (1)  
	    )                           ; end let
	  (next-line 1)                 ; if not active, go down
	  )                             ; end outermost if
    )
)                                     ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-up ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the up-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs previous-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))                           ; If at beg-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
	    (let ((bef (point))                ; marking mode are active,
		    aft
		    chk)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (beginning-of-line)          ; This is to avoid
		    (setq aft (point)))          ; disappearance of
		  (if (> aft (point-min))        ; the region if a
			(progn                     ; beginning of buffer
			  (forward-line -1)        ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )
		(if (<= (point) (mark))          ; If (1): if point is above mark
		    (forward-line -1)            ; go up one line (at bol)
		  (if (and (< (mark) bef ) (>= (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here 
                                             ; the point moves above the mark;
		    (progn                       ; hence, 
			(if (= (mark) aft) 
			    (setq chk 1))          ; special case
			(goto-char (mark))         ; reset mark at 
			(end-of-line)              ; end-of-line
			(set-mark-command nil)
			(if (> aft (point-min))        ; Avoid beg-of-buffer error
			    (if (and chk (not (bolp))) ; special case
				  (beginning-of-line)    ; handled here
				(forward-line -1))))     ; normal case
                                             ; here point stays below mark: if
		    (if (bolp)                   ; at bol, go to the beginning of 
			  (forward-line -1)        ; the previous line, if not at
			(beginning-of-line))       ; bol, to bol of current line
		  )                              ; end if (2)
		)                                ; end if (1)
		)                                ; end let
	  (previous-line 1)                    ; if region not active, up
	  )                                    ; end outermost if
    )
  )                                          ; end defun

(defun rb-dos-to-unix ()
  "Converts the current buffer from DOS format to UNIX format, 
irrespective of whether the buffer is read-only or not."
  (interactive)
  (setq buffer-read-only nil)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (while (re-search-forward "\r$" nil t)  ; search for carriage returns
	(replace-match ""))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (forward-line -1)			        ; go back a line for safety
    (setq dos-seen-ctl-Z (search-forward "\C-z" nil t))
    (if dos-seen-ctl-Z
	  (replace-match ""))))

(defun rb-flip-one ()
  "Flips the case of the current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
         ( cfs case-fold-search))           ; End varlist
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (delete-char 1)
    (if (string-match "[A-Z]"  curr)
	  (insert (downcase curr))
	(insert (upcase curr)))
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end let
  )                                         ; end defun

(defun rb-flip ()
  "Conditional case flip: if the region is active, the case of all
characters inside it is flipped; otherwise, if the cursor is on a
letter, the letter's case is flipped; if the cursor is on anything
else, the case of the previous word is flipped."
  (interactive "*")
  (let ((cfs case-fold-search))
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (if (not (region-active-p))
	  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
		   end)
	    (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z]" curr)
		  (rb-flip-one)                 ; If on a letter, flip it
		(progn
		  (setq end (point))
		  (save-excursion
		    (skip-chars-backward "^ \t"); back to previous blank or tab
		    (while (< (point) end)
			(rb-flip-one)))           ; end save-excursion
		  (goto-char end)
		  )))                           ; end progn, end if, end let
	(let ((beg (mark))                    ; Here if the region is active
		(end (point)))
	  (if (< (point) (mark))              ; setting beg (end) to the
		(progn                          ; smaller (larger) between
		  (setq beg (point))            ; point and mark
		  (setq end (mark))))
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char beg)                   ; From beg to end, flip
	    (while (< (point) end)            ; current character
		(rb-flip-one)))                 ; end save-excursion
	  (goto-char end)
	  )                                   ; end let upon active-region
	)                                     ; end if region-active-p
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end outermost let
  )                                         ; end defun

; LateX functions:

(defun rb-cite ()
  "Inserts \cite{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "\\cite{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-subscr ()
  "Inserts _{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "_{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-supscr ()
  "Inserts ^{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "^{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-bf ()
  "Inserts {\bf } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "{\\bf }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-it ()
  "Inserts {\it } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "{\\it }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-ref ()
  "Inserts \ref{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "\\ref{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-limit ()
  "Inserts \lim{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive "*")
  (insert "\\lim{}")
  (backward-char)
)
;;;; End of file ~/elisp/rb.el

;;;; Comments, suggestions, protests: please write to 
;;;; R. Badii (badii @ psi.ch)

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From: rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
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Subject: (Not in FAQ) Buffer *Completions* read-only?
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Looked in the recently-posted FAQ, but found no answer:

Xemacs 19.14 keeps telling me that buffer *Completions* is read-only, when
I try to get a list of partial completions. Where is that set?

Randy
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Subject: Re: c-indent-level question



> I want to set up xemacs so that my c-mode will give me the following
> indentation:
> 
> main()
> {
>    if(true)
>    {
> 	 printf("Hello");
>    }
> }
> 

The company I work for requires similar indentation style. This is
what I use (you need all these settings, otherwise your code will look
odd):

(defun c-set-oracle-coding-style ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 2)
  (mapcar 
   (function
    (lambda (elt)
      (let* ((style (car elt))
	     (descrip (cadr elt))
	     (s (assoc style c-offsets-alist)))
	(if s
	    (setcdr s descrip)
	  (setq c-offsets-alist (cons (cons style descrip)
				    c-offsets-alist))))))
    '(;; BEGIN STYLE
      (knr-argdecl-intro  0)     ;; left-aligned func-args
      (substatement-open  0)     ;; open-brace under if/for/while
      (statement-case-open  0)   ;; open-brace inside CASE statement
      (label +)
      (statement-block-intro  +)
      (statement-cont +)
      (topmost-intro  0)
      (topmost-intro-cont +)
      ;; END STYLE
      )))

(if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
    (add-hook (quote c-mode-common-hook) 'c-set-oracle-coding-style))


Dmitry

PS. In your case, c-basic-offset should be 4.

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%% saisan@bellini.eecs.berkeley.edu (Payam Saisan) writes:

This group (gnu.emacs.sources) is only for posting Emacs (elisp) source
code.  Please use gnu.emacs.help for asking for help.

  ps> I just installed gnu emacs 19.30 on our Indi II SGI!

Why?  19.30 is 10 months old; the latest Emacs is 19.34.

  ps> I notice, I can't get the C specific key word color
  ps> coding feature going. Does emacs support this feature
  ps> or do I have to get lemacs (if so, where would be
  ps> the location of source for SGI's running irix 6.2)... I would
  ps> love to hear from you if you have any leads on this!

As I recall, C font-lock was broken in 19.30.  Get a later version and
it'll work (if you turn on font-lock).

Please take further discussion to the appropriate newsgroup(s).

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>>>>> "LH" == Lynn Hyde <lhyde@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com> writes:

    LH> Before I have succeeded with setting

    LH> setq-default c-indent-level 4 setq-default
    LH> c-continued-statement-offset -5

    LH> etc etc in my .emacs file.

    LH> But on xemacs IT DONT WORK!! WHY?

Because XEmacs now uses cc-mode.el to do C (and C++, Objective-C, and
Java) indentation.  cc-mode uses a different set of variables and a
different indentation engine.  XEmacs also comes shipped with the
cc-mode manual so you should check that out for customization hints.
You might also want to look at cc-compat.el which (attempts to) map
BOCM (old c-mode.el) variables into cc-mode.el.

BTW, newer FSF Emacsen (e.g. 19.34) also now use cc-mode.

-Barry

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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

> How do I add a button on the default menu bar to delete buffer and close screen?
> Simple enough Eh! but I don't know how to do it.

> More advanced how do I add this to all menu bars globally??

Under the Options menu, use "Menubar Appearance" and turn on "Multi-Operation
Buffers Sub-Menus".

You can also add kill-this-buffer to any menu adding to your .emacs something
like:

  ;; access via button3 over blank spot on modeline
  (defconst modeline-menu
    '("Window Commands"
      ["Delete Window"		 delete-window			t]
      ["Delete Other Windows"	 delete-other-windows		t]
      ["Split Window"		 split-window-vertically	t]
      ["Split Window Horizontally" split-window-horizontally	t]
      ["Balance Windows"	 balance-windows		t]
      ["Delete This Buffer"      kill-this-buffer		t]
    ))

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>>>>> "Uri" == Uri Blumenthal <uri@ibm.net> writes:

> 	Most likely it's FAQ, but I couldn't find it there...
	
> 	I found how the binary characters are _displayed_
> 	(and that stuff about "ctl-arrow")... But how can
> 	I _enter_ let's say 0218 code into a file?

> 	For things like ^A it's obvious - <Ctrl-Q><Ctrl-A>
> 	works fine. But what to do with these?

Look up hexl-mode and hexl-find-file.

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I've got a Sun keyboard with 12 function keys at the top and the Unix
keys on the side (Stop, Again, Props, etc)

Under xemacs.19-13 if I did a C-h k and hit say alt-F11 (the F11
function key at the top), I'd get

A-SunF36 is undefined

This is the same keycode I'd get if I pressed F11 using xevent.

Under xemacs-19.14 if I do the same thing I get

A-f11 is undefined.

Now, I'm not complaining.  I LIKE this.  It means I don't really need
to go out search for keycodes and my I can define a function to
alt-f11 and it will work on my Sun and PC keyboard.  My question is
HOW DOES IT KNOW?  Whose sending those codes to xemacs?  Can I use
these same codes, say in my .fvwmrc file?

(I've got the Stop key (F11 on the SUN) mapped to kill in fvwmrc.  This has a
rather unfortunate effect when I hit the F11 key (which is mapped to
SunF36 on the SUN but to f11 on my PC).  Instead of burying the buffer
it kills XEMACS!)

Thanks for the knowledge!

--jp

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Sabaini <cccp@htunix.tu-graz.ac.at> writes:

Peter> I'm trying to install Xemacs 19.14 on a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, which
Peter> configure correctly identifies as a mips-sni-sysv4. I had to do a little
Peter> hand-configuring because of the weird filesystem tree, and I do not have
Peter> GCC. But still it seemed to work until make output:

Peter> ....

Peter> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h   858:
Peter> [warning]:   1077 'new' is a C++ reserved word
Peter> /usr/include/alloca.h     9: [warning]:   2161 Function used as parameter
Peter> lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [syntax]:    2538 ''{'' expected
Peter> lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [error]:     2512 Storage class 'extern' is illegal
Peter> lwlib-Xlw.h     6: [error]:     2509 'xlw_creation_table' not a parameter
Peter> lwlib-Xlw.h     7: [error]:     2512 Storage class 'extern' is illegal
Peter> lwlib-Xlw.h     7: [error]:     2509 'xlw_create_dialog' not a parameter

Peter> ...etc.

Unfortunately you deleted the lines, which identify the source file,
which was compiled. I make the following patch, after which everything
compiled.

--- lwlib.c	1996/06/24 22:07:13	1.1
+++ lwlib.c	1996/06/24 22:07:49
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@
 #define alloca __builtin_alloca
 #endif
 
-#if ((!__GNUC__) && !defined(__hpux)) && !defined(_AIX) && !defined (_SCO_DS) && !defined (__USLC__)
+#if ((!__GNUC__) && !defined(__hpux)) && !defined(_AIX) && !defined(_SCO_DS) && !defined (__USLC__) && !defined(sinix)
 #include <alloca.h>
 #endif
 

Peter> There are also a lot warnings prior to o the above output. Anyone any
Peter> experiences or advice?

Peter> TIA, Peter

Hope this helps.

-- 
MfG/Regards
				     Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG
     /====                          Abt.: LoB OEC HES QM4
    /    Ridderbusch        / ,    Heinz Nixdorf Ring
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 /    //   /   /  //   / / \    NERV: ridderbusch.pad
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Since I have taken all the Gates out of my computer, it finally works!!

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In article <kigenki490h.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
>set-mark-command is even better, e.g.:
>
>(global-set-key [(control ?2)]
>  '(lambda (arg) (interactive "P") (set-mark-command arg)))


How does this differ in practice from simply:

(global-set-key [(control ?2)] 'set-mark-command)


>hniksic@srce.hr              |  Student of electrical engineering
>hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
>       the Emacs religion.

ed - the editor used when the only other editor available is vi.


-- 
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71231.104@compuserve.com (Richard Slobod) wrote:

>To enter character code xxx, type <Ctrl-Q>xxx (if the character code
>is less than three digits, you have a choice between using leading
>zeroes to pad it out to three digits or letting (X)Emacs realize
>you're done when you follow the character code with a nonnumeric
>character).  Note however that xxx is interpreted as an _octal_ number

I suppose I should also point out that '8' and '9' count as
"nonnumeric characters" when working in octal.


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uri@ibm.net (Uri Blumenthal) wrote:

>	I found how the binary characters are _displayed_
>	(and that stuff about "ctl-arrow")... But how can
>	I _enter_ let's say 0218 code into a file?

>	For things like ^A it's obvious - <Ctrl-Q><Ctrl-A>
>	works fine. But what to do with these?

To enter character code xxx, type <Ctrl-Q>xxx (if the character code
is less than three digits, you have a choice between using leading
zeroes to pad it out to three digits or letting (X)Emacs realize
you're done when you follow the character code with a nonnumeric
character).  Note however that xxx is interpreted as an _octal_ number
(i.e. in order to enter character code 218, you would type
<Ctrl-Q>332).


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How do I make GNUS automatically put a "Reply-To" field in each article I
post? My e-mailing address is different from the address from which I post
articles.

Thanks in advance!
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saisan@bellini.eecs.berkeley.edu (Payam Saisan) writes:
| 
| I just installed gnu emacs 19.30 on our Indi II SGI!

Not sure if it's in 19.30 ... but I've been using 19.32
on my desktop and the C highlighting is there.

I use this in my .emacs:

(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
(global-font-lock-mode 1 t)

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Hi,

bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> 
> 
> >>>>> "LH" == Lynn Hyde <lhyde@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com> writes:
> 
>     LH> Before I have succeeded with setting
> 
>     LH> setq-default c-indent-level 4 setq-default
>     LH> c-continued-statement-offset -5
> 
>     LH> etc etc in my .emacs file.
> 
>     LH> But on xemacs IT DONT WORK!! WHY?
> 
> Because XEmacs now uses cc-mode.el to do C (and C++, Objective-C, and
> Java) indentation.  cc-mode uses a different set of variables and a
> different indentation engine.  XEmacs also comes shipped with the
> cc-mode manual so you should check that out for customization hints.
> You might also want to look at cc-compat.el which (attempts to) map
> BOCM (old c-mode.el) variables into cc-mode.el.
> 
> BTW, newer FSF Emacsen (e.g. 19.34) also now use cc-mode.

can someone tell me how to add additional indentation after
the class access labels:

now it is 

class B {
  public:

  B();  // i want add additional indent here
...

so it should be

class B {
  public:

    B();  // i want add additional indent here


thanks a lot     OK


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Hi All,

I decided to try out xemacs: I've been using GNU emacs for many years,
and wanted to see what the "other emacs" was like.  I downloaded the
following files

xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static.tar.gz

and installed them from /usr/local and got this error when I tried to
run it:

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource

I then tried a different executible:

xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-allstatic.tar.gz

but got the same error.

Does anyone know what (probably dumb) thing I am doing wrong?  I'm
running Linux 2.0 kernel with all the necessary upgraded libs, but no
motif.

Apologies in advance if this is a FAQ.


Jay

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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Crampton <eric@ecrampto.async.vt.edu> writes:

Eric> How do I make GNUS automatically put a "Reply-To" field in each
Eric> article I post? My e-mailing address is different from the
Eric> address from which I post articles.

Try something like:

(setq message-default-headers "Reply-To: ecrampto@vt.edu\n")

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Alain" == Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> writes:

Alain> Also, where can I find info about the .gnus file?

Alain> I still did not find that.

The .gnus file is for setting Gnus variables and customizing Gnus for
your environment.

Some of the stuff from my own .gnus (the whole file is 13k and I do
not wish to post it in its entirety) includes:

(setq browse-url-browser-function (function browse-url-lynx-xterm))
(unless (boundp 'gnus-visible-headers)
  (require 'article))
(setq gnus-visible-headers (concat gnus-visible-headers
                                   "\\|^X-Diagnostic:\\|^X-Newsreader:\\|^X-Mailer:"))
(if (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (when (and (boundp 'gnus-use-bbdb)
                 gnus-use-bbdb)
        (require 'gnus-bbdb)
        (gnus-bbdb-insinuate-summary-buffer))
      (setq gnus-auto-center-summary nil)
      (setq gnus-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.22/gnus/")
      (setq message-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.22/message/")
      (require 'smiley)
      ;(setq smiley-regexp-alist smiley-nosey-regexp-alist)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-smiley-display t)
      (copy-face 'default 'gnus-x-face)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)
      (setq message-xmas-dont-activate-region t)
      (setq gnus-use-picons nil)))

(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pgp)
(if running-xemacs
    (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pem))
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-date-local)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-signature)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike)

(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-topic-unique nil)

(setq nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.dgnusrc")
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.callamer.com"))
(setq gnus-use-adaptive-scoring t)
(setq gnus-uu-post-include-before-composing t)
(setq gnus-nov-is-evil nil)
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

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>>>>> "Uri" == Uri Blumenthal <uri@ibm.net> writes:

Uri> Hi,
Uri> 	Most likely it's FAQ, but I couldn't find it there...
	
Uri> 	I found how the binary characters are _displayed_
Uri> 	(and that stuff about "ctl-arrow")... But how can
Uri> 	I _enter_ let's say 0218 code into a file?

Uri> 	For things like ^A it's obvious - <Ctrl-Q><Ctrl-A>
Uri> 	works fine. But what to do with these?

In a pinch you can always do
M-: (insert 218)

Take a look at x-compose.el (lisp/x11/x-compose.el) for a more
convenient method.
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>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Gabor <gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu> writes:

Andy> According to info, "M-x print-buffer" should print out file name:
Andy> `M-x print-buffer'
Andy>      Print hardcopy of current buffer using Unix command `print'
Andy>      (`lpr -p').  This command adds page headings containing the file
Andy>      name and page number.
 
Andy> However... Heading has date and page # but no file name.
 
Andy> I have tried whatever I understand to add buffer-file-name (I won't
Andy> amuse you with examples of my efforts) without success.
 
Andy> Any insights appreciated.
 
Andy> Env: XEmacs-19.14, Sol2.5, SS10/51

Which print-buffer are you using?  The one in my copy of 19.14 at
least is honest:

C-h f print-buffer
print-buffer: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "lpr".
Print buffer contents as with Unix command `lpr -p'.
`lpr-switches' is a list of extra switches (strings) to pass to lpr.


All of the lisp printing commands in lpr.el pipeline standard input to
the print spooler command, so there is no file name for it print.
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Mike Bresnahan wrote:

I've explored this problem a bit more.  It seems compile.el is 
confused by the double quotes surrounding the filename in the 
error message.  For example:

cc: "t.c", line 1: warning 501: Empty source file.

If I edit the *compilation* buffer, removing the quotes, before 
calling next-error, the file 't.c' is found just fine.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

MikeB

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Subject: Re: How to debug font-lock
Date: 06 Sep 1996 20:53:38 -0700
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>>>>> "Amir" == Amir J Katz <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:

Amir> I have a problem when using font-lock in VM. All my pleas for help
Amir> were never answered, so I guess my only venue is to try to debug
Amir> it. 
Amir> So how does one do that? From my scant knowledge of font-lock, one
Amir> has to determine which regexp got matched and what font got used for
Amir> that regexp.

edebug is a really powerful package for use in debugging elisp.
In a .el file try using button3->Debug This Defun.

Good Luck
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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
> I have a problem when using font-lock in VM. All my pleas for help
> were never answered, so I guess my only venue is to try to debug
> it. 

Did you post it here?

> So how does one do that? From my scant knowledge of font-lock, one
> has to determine which regexp got matched and what font got used for
> that regexp.

The easiest way to do this is to position your cursor over the
offending text and then do "M-: (extent-properties-at (point))".  The
font used will be a member of the property list that will be
displayed.  You'll then have to match that face to the regexp to see
why it fails.

-Sudish

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: SunF36 vs. f11
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>>>>> "JP" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

JP> I've got a Sun keyboard with 12 function keys at the top and the Unix
JP> keys on the side (Stop, Again, Props, etc)

JP> Under xemacs.19-13 if I did a C-h k and hit say alt-F11 (the F11
JP> function key at the top), I'd get

JP> A-SunF36 is undefined

JP> This is the same keycode I'd get if I pressed F11 using xevent.

JP> Under xemacs-19.14 if I do the same thing I get

JP> A-f11 is undefined.

JP> Now, I'm not complaining.  I LIKE this.  It means I don't really need
JP> to go out search for keycodes and my I can define a function to
JP> alt-f11 and it will work on my Sun and PC keyboard.  My question is
JP> HOW DOES IT KNOW?  Whose sending those codes to xemacs?  Can I use
JP> these same codes, say in my .fvwmrc file?

There's key translation going on here - implemented in lisp/x11/x-win-sun.el

JP> (I've got the Stop key (F11 on the SUN) mapped to kill in fvwmrc.  This has a
JP> rather unfortunate effect when I hit the F11 key (which is mapped to
JP> SunF36 on the SUN but to f11 on my PC).  Instead of burying the buffer
JP> it kills XEMACS!)

Unfortunately, other apps don't know about this rebinding.
Sun's sparc key mappings are simply baroque and broke.

I recommend that Sun users do a magic xmodmap remap of their keyboard.
Here's my perl script to do this:


: #-*- Perl -*-
eval 'exec perl -w -S $0 ${1+"$@"}' # Portability kludge
    if 0;
# Author: Martin Buchholz

($myName = $0) =~ s@.*/@@; $usage="
Usage: $myName

Create sensible xmodmap key mappings without duplicated keys.

This allows applications to have different key-bindings, for example,
for the `Left' and the keypad `Left' key, if both exist, since there
will be separate keysyms `Left' and `KP_Left'.\n";

die $usage if @ARGV;

$, = $\ = "\n";                 # Auto-newlines everywhere

chomp (@xmodmap = grep (s/^keycode\s+//, `xmodmap -pke`));

for (@xmodmap) {
  ($keycode, $keysyms) = /^(\d+)\s+=\s*(.*)$/;
  @keysyms = split(' ', $keysyms);
  $only_keysym_p{$keysyms[0]} = 1 if @keysyms == 1;
  for $keysym (@keysyms) { $keycode{$keysym} = $keycode; }
}

open (XMODMAP, "| xmodmap -") or die "$myName: xmodmap: $!, died";

kp_n_remap ('1', 'End');
kp_n_remap ('2', 'Down');
kp_n_remap ('3', 'Next');
kp_n_remap ('4', 'Left');
# kp_n_remap ('5', '');
kp_n_remap ('6', 'Right');
kp_n_remap ('7', 'Home');
kp_n_remap ('8', 'Up');
kp_n_remap ('9', 'Prior');
kp_n_remap ('0', 'Insert');
  
kp_remap ('KP_5',        '5');
kp_remap ('KP_Divide',   'slash');
kp_remap ('KP_Multiply', 'asterisk');
kp_remap ('KP_Subtract', 'minus');
kp_remap ('KP_Add',      'plus');
kp_remap ('KP_Enter',    'Return');

remap ("KP_Decimal", "KP_Decimal KP_Decimal period period", "Delete");
remap ("SunF36", "F11 F11 SunF36 SunF36");
remap ("SunF37", "F12 F12 SunF37 SunF37");
remap ("Cancel", "Cancel Cancel F11 F11");
remap ("Redo",   "Redo Redo F12 F12");

close XMODMAP;

sub kp_n_remap {
  my ($num, $keysym) = @_;
  remap ("KP_$num", "KP_$keysym KP_$num $num $num", "$keysym");
}

sub kp_remap {
  my ($keysym, $num_lock_keysym) = @_;
  remap("$keysym", "$keysym $keysym $num_lock_keysym $num_lock_keysym");
}

sub remap {
  my ($keysym, $redefinition, $only_keysym) = @_;
  return if !defined $keycode{$keysym} ||
      (defined $only_keysym && ! defined $only_keysym_p{$only_keysym});
  print  XMODMAP "keycode $keycode{$keysym} = $redefinition";
}

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Subject: Re: bincancel:12 large binaries:AR606:@@NCM
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From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew)
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Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I run a program that searches for, and issues advisory cancels for,
large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
hierarchies.

I have issued 12 cancels for large binary files (average size 202,224
characters - total size 2,426,688 characters) posted to 24 different
unmoderated discussion groups in the biz, comp, misc, and sci
hierarchies (with cross-posts into alt groups) as follows:
   3 sci.engr.television.broadcast
   2 comp.org.user-groups.management
   1 misc.invest.options
	misc.invest.futures
	misc.invest.technical
	misc.invest.stocks
	misc.invest.funds
   1 misc.entrepreneurs
	alt.business.multi-level
	alt.business
	alt.make.money.fast
	alt.business.misc
	biz.general
	biz.newsgroup
	biz.unilevel.misc
	biz.marketplace
	biz.misc
	alt.business.home.pc
	biz.marketplace.international
	alt.entrepreneurs
	biz.entrepreneurs
	biz.americast
	alt.misc
	misc.misc
	biz.next.newprod
	alt.anything
	biz.mlm
	alt.alt.alt.alt.alt.alt
   1 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
   1 comp.robotics.misc
   1 comp.emacs.xemacs
   1 comp.databases.ms-access
   1 comp.cad.autocad

The cancels in non-targeted groups are a consequence of the way
cross-posts work.  A cross-posted article has only one Message-ID.
When it is canceled from one group it is canceled from all groups.

This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above.
Follow-ups are directed to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

If you want to see exactly which file was deleted from a particular
group, read the full report in news.admin.net-abuse.announce.  The
full report can also be found in alt.nocem.misc and alt.retromod.
Look for AR606 in the subject, or, if your reader supports it, use
this <URL:news:ARMM-Report-606@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us>

The criteria used to search for this batch of large binaries were:
   NEWSGROUPS: Unmoderated akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, or sci
	       (except for comp.binaries.apple2, comp.bugs.2bsd,
		and rec.games.bolo)
   BINARY: base64, binhex, uuencode, and xbtoa encoded files, etc.
   SIZE: > 100,000 characters [(size * (# of parts - .5)), if multi-part]

If you must post a binary to Usenet, please post it *only* to an
appropriate binaries newsgroup such as alt.binaries.misc, and do *not*
crosspost it to non-binaries groups.  Then, if you like, post something
in the appropriate discussion group telling people where to find the
binary in the binaries group (a pointer to the binary).  This will
permit news administrators and users to decide for themselves whether
to receive the binary files.

For more information about binary cancels, see the bincancel FAQ,
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5886/binfaq.txt>. 

Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private
feedback to red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us.  In the interests of preventing
cross-posted flame wars, please honor the followup-to header and do
*not* cross-post your reply to multiple groups.  Thanks for your
cooperation.

Best wishes,
Dick
-- 
Richard E. Depew, Munroe Falls, OH    red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (home)
It's over, and can't be helped, and that's one consolation, as they
  always say in Turkey, when they cut the wrong man's head off'' 
  -- Charles Dickens, _The Pickwick Papers_

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Yes, see <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.

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Subject: Re: How to enter binary char's?
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In article <50o39g$upi@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>,
	uri@ibm.net (Uri Blumenthal) writes:
>       ...................
> 	For things like ^A it's obvious - <Ctrl-Q><Ctrl-A>
> 	works fine. But what to do with these [0xFA, 0x39]?

Thanks to everybody who answered! In short, "hexl-mode" and/or:

	<Ctrl-Q>xxx   where x are octal digits (0-7).
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
I'm not sure which upsets me more:  that people are so unwilling 
to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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Srinivas Maddhi <srinivas-maddhi@uiowa.edu> writes:

> A gnuserv newbie here:
> Trying to edit a file over an NFS network using gnuclient with the -r option
> appends the nfs path to the local path resulting in an invalid path.

That's the way that gnuclient works.  It appends the GNU_NODE or -r option to
the local path to create a path usable from the machine running Emacs.

> Example:
> Local path (client node): /local/33/try.txt
> NFS path (relative to host m/c running gnuserv): /nfs/node10/33/try.txt

> Doing a gnuclient -h master -r /nfs/node10/33 try.txt

> Tries opening a file named /nfs/node10/33/local/33/try.txt

> What am I doing wrong ?

The -r option given to gnuclient is a string that when prepended allows the
machine running Emacs to access files on the machine running gnuclient.  It
seems in your example a better string would be:

  -r /nfs/node10

However, that would give you a overall path from the machine running Emacs of:

  /nfs/node10/local/33/try.txt

which doesn't look too much better than what you had before.

If you can't fake things on either of the two machines with symlinks, you
might try using ange-ftp -style pathnames instead:

  gnuclient -r '/user@node10:' try.txt

This would cause Emacs to use the path:

  /user@node10:/local/33/try.txt
-- 
						-- ange -- <><

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From: elf@ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes)
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>From: coleman@cstp.umkc.edu (Mike Coleman)
Date: 4 Mar 1996 08:45:36 GMT

Do you edit Java source code with emacs (or maybe vi)?  Do you use tags files?
Then 'jtags' is just what you've been waiting for.  Well, sort of.  It'll do
for the interim, until someone more properly adapts etags to Java.

jtags is a script which invokes etags with a hairy set of --regex options
which will recognize most class, interface, method declarations, and final
class variables.  It's not perfect, but it's pretty good, albeit a hideous
hack, and certainly a lot better than nothing.  See the script comments for
caveats.

If your current etags doesn't support --regex, you'll need to get
a more current version.

Cheers,
--Mike

#!/bin/sh
# This is a shell archive (produced by GNU sharutils 4.1).
# To extract the files from this archive, save it to some FILE, remove
# everything before the `!/bin/sh' line above, then type `sh FILE'.
#
# Made on 1996-03-04 02:03 CST by <coleman@chez-gnu>.
# Source directory was `/usr/local/home/coleman/bin'.
#
# Existing files will *not* be overwritten unless `-c' is specified.
#
# This shar contains:
# length mode       name
# ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------
#   2239 -r-xr-xr-x jtags
#    118 -rwxr-xr-x jtagsd
#
touch -am 1231235999 $$.touch >/dev/null 2>&1
if test ! -f 1231235999 && test -f $$.touch; then
  shar_touch=touch
else
  shar_touch=:
  echo
  echo 'WARNING: not restoring timestamps.  Consider getting and'
  echo "installing GNU \`touch', distributed in GNU File Utilities..."
  echo
fi
rm -f 1231235999 $$.touch
#
# ============= jtags ==============
if test -f 'jtags' && test X"$1" != X"-c"; then
  echo 'x - skipping jtags (file already exists)'
else
  echo 'x - extracting jtags (text)'
  sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'jtags' &&
#!/bin/sh
X
# jtags: run etags with Java language regex's
# initial implementation the fault of Mike Coleman
#   possibly to be obsoleted by proper changes to etags
X
#	$Id: jtags,v 1.6 1996/03/04 08:00:26 coleman Exp $
X
# limitations:
# - The biggie is that unmodified method definitions up to the initial '{' must
#   be on a single line in order to match.
# - Some garbage (e.g., "if (a) {") will be included.  As far as I can tell,
#   this shouldn't cause significant problems.  (This could be mostly
#   eliminated by requiring that no white space appear between the method name
#   and '(' in definitions, but this would bite people that like such space.)
X
# clause 1 finds class/interface definitions (match to name)
# clause 2 finds   modified constructors (match to '(', then no '{')
#	(matches with '{' caught in clause 5, unfortunately)
# clause 3 finds unmodified constructors (match to '{')
# clause 4 finds   modified non-constructor method definitions (match to '(')
# clause 5 finds unmodified non-constructor method definitions (match to '{')
# clause 6 finds final method variables (e.g., interface constants)
#	(match to '=')
X
exec etags --lang=none \
X	--regex='/^[ \t]*\(\(abstract\|final\|public\)[ \t]+\)*\(class\|interface\)[ \t]+\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)/' \
X	--regex='@^[ \t]*\(\(public\|protected\|private\)[ \t]+\)+\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*([^{]*$@\3@' \
X	--regex='@^[ \t]*\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*([^-~!%^&*(=+/<>:{};|)]*)[ \t]*\(throws[^{]*\)?[ \t]*{@\1@' \
X	--regex='@^[ \t]*\(\(public\|protected\|private\|static\|abstract\|native\|final\|synchronized\)[ \t]+\)+\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*\)[ \t]+\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*(@\5@' \
X	--regex='@^[ \t]*\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*\)[ \t]+\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*([^-~!%^&*(=+/<>:{};|)]*)[ \t]*\(throws[^{]*\)?[ \t]*{@\3@' \
X	--regex='@^[ \t]*\(\(public\|protected\|private\|static\|transient\|volatile\)[ \t]+\)*final[ \t]+\(\(public\|protected\|private\|static\|transient\|volatile\)[ \t]+\)*\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*\)[ \t]*\([a-zA-Z_$][a-zA-Z0-9_$]*\)[ \t]*\(\[[ \t]*\]\)*[ \t]*=@\7@' \
X	${1+"$@"}
SHAR_EOF
  $shar_touch -am 0304020096 'jtags' &&
  chmod 0555 'jtags' ||
  echo 'restore of jtags failed'
  shar_count="`wc -c < 'jtags'`"
  test 2239 -eq "$shar_count" ||
    echo "jtags: original size 2239, current size $shar_count"
fi
# ============= jtagsd ==============
if test -f 'jtagsd' && test X"$1" != X"-c"; then
  echo 'x - skipping jtagsd (file already exists)'
else
  echo 'x - extracting jtagsd (text)'
  sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'jtagsd' &&
#!/bin/sh
X
# drop a TAGS file for a whole hierarchy of .java files
X
exec jtags `find . -name '*.java' -type f -print`
SHAR_EOF
  $shar_touch -am 0301182896 'jtagsd' &&
  chmod 0755 'jtagsd' ||
  echo 'restore of jtagsd failed'
  shar_count="`wc -c < 'jtagsd'`"
  test 118 -eq "$shar_count" ||
    echo "jtagsd: original size 118, current size $shar_count"
fi
exit 0
--
Mike Coleman, Ctr for Telecomputing Research, http://ctr.cstp.umkc.edu/~coleman
"The Internet is a powerful example of free speech and the free market in action;
 it is curious that the Net has alarmed the lawmakers of a nation founded on
 those principles." --Denise Caruso


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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
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Subject: Solution to SLOW compiling
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 13:40:44 -0500
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Hi All,

I have found a solution that works for me on the slow compilation error
parsing problem.

If I click above the bottom of the buffer before the compilation errors
start coming up, it does not go into the slow 'parsing' mode! I think
the problem is that if the cursor is at the bottom, it parses though
each line as it moves the cursor down.  If the cursor is not at the
bottom, it does not have to parse though every line, just line by line
as you go down.

Xemacs 19.13 did not place the cursor at the bottom of the compilation
buffer.

Darren
d.toler@jsc.nasa.gov

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From: Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu>
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Subject: Storing backup files in another directory?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 14:06:27 -0700
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Is it possible to have backup files stored in a directory other than
the current directory?  Like for example storing all backup files in
one directory using names similar to those used for lock files in the
lock directory.

-- 
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From: mvanier@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Christopher Vanier)
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Hi,

I've just installed xemacs 19.14 on my system (a Sparc 10 running Solaris
2.3) and I've noticed a couple of minor problems:

1) The scrollbars (both horizontal and vertical) are displaced by a couple
of pixels from where they should be.  I also noticed this some time ago
when compiling the same version of xemacs on a SunOS 4.1.3 system.  I
assume this is a bug; is there some workaround?

2) The "save options" command doesn't seem to save the fonts.  How do I set
a default font for xemacs?  The X resource section of the info
documentation doesn't appear to discuss this.

Thanks,

Mike

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
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Department of Computation and Neural Systems, Caltech 216-76
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From: wd102@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Ron)
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Subject: Your business and computer.
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 06:00:18 GMT
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Hello Friends!
	
	Welcome to the world of Multi-Level Marketing (MLM). THIS IS NOT A
SCAM, it is an actual business opportunity. After spending hundreds of
dollars on get rich quick schemes and classified advertisements
selling my product, I realized that the ads were not paying off. That
was before I came across this amazing opportunity. I chose this MLM
plan because of the large diversity of products that can be offered,
plus the fact that it is inexpensive when compared to other plans. 
	What makes this plan legal, unlike many of the pyramid schemes that
are online, is that you are buying and selling an actual product, and
so is everybody else that decides to make money with this opportunity.
It is simple, you sell an original recipe, craft, poem, plan, or idea
through the mail for $2.00 (US Currency). It is easy with Multi-Level
Marketing. MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) IS BEING TAUGHT IN
HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL, AND BOTH STANFORD RESEARCH 
AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAVE STATED THAT BETWEEN 
50% AND 55% OF ALL GOODS AND SERVICES WILL BE SOLD BY
MULTI-LEVEL METHODS IN THE MID 1990'S! This is truly a MULTI-BILLION
DOLLAR INDUSTRY! Of the 500,000 millionaires in the United States, 20%
have made their fortune in the last seven years using MLM. Even if you
just try this out of curiosity, be prepared for a flood of orders.

**IMPORTANT TAX INFORMATION: To ensure that you keep this legal and
honest, be certain to file a Schedule "C" Profit or Loss from business
or profession with your income tax return. Report all income you
receive and deduct all of your expenses that are related to this
business. Check with Your tax preparer to ensure that you are taking
all the legal deductions you can. Because you are buying and selling a
product or service, this type of direct marketing order is not in the
chain letter category. If no product or service is sold, then it does
become a chain letter, which would be in violation of the law.
	
	Here is what to do:
		
		1) Send $2.00 (US) and a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE) to
each of the nine people on the list below (this is the important part,
if no one sends the money for the products, then this plan will not
work... KEEP IT HONEST.) Note: Be sure to either put the two dollars
in the SASE or wrap it separately in another sheet of paper, because
if it can be seen when the envelope is sealed, a postal worker may
steal it.

		2) Revise the list by placing your name in slot #9 and moving all the
others on the list up one number (move #2 to #1, and so on) drop the
current #1 from the list.

		3)Send the revised list and message out to as many people as 
possible, newsgroups, e-mail, even send it snail mail to friends. Try
to send at least 100.

		4)Soon you will start receiving orders. Simply stuff the SASEs with
you recipe(or whatever) and drop them in the mail box.

		5)Spend your the money that you received from each envelope on
whatever you want. Pay off bills (wouldn't it be nice to get out of
debt?), buy new toys (a car maybe?), just have fun!

REMEMBER, THE PRIME FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS WORK FOR YOU ARE:

1)  HONESTY  - Sending the $2.00 (US) to the members listed below for
their products or recipes is what makes this work, they have worked
hard for this opportunity.

2) INTEGRITY - Fill all of your orders promptly, because this is a
legitimate business, and if you don't, you can get nailed for false
advertising. You must deliver what your customers have paid for. 

3) ACTION - Begin right away so that you can start receiving the money
you deserve immediately!

START TODAY!!!!!

If you only send out 100 of the new messages, and only get a tiny 4%
response rate, then here is what will happen:

1) You send out 100 letters with your name in position 9

                  

2) Those                4 send out 100 letters with your name in
position 8                         16 Replies
3) Those              16 send out 100 letters with your name in
position 7                         64 Replies
4) Those              64 send out 100 letters with your name in
position 6                       256 Replies
5) Those            256 send out 100 letters with your name in
position 5                    1,024 Replies
6) Those         1,024 send out 100 letters with your name in position
4                    4,096 Replies
7) Those         4,096 send out 100 letters with your name in position
3                  16,384 Replies
8) Those       16,384 send out 100 letters with your name in position
2                  65,536 Replies
9) Those       65,536 send out 100 letters with your name in position
1                262,144 Replies
						    TOTAL REPLIES                349,524
				        TOTAL SALES @ $2.00 EACH              $699,048


OK HERE IS THE LIST:


1) Amazon Discovery
    3171 East 33rd SO
    Bldg. 188
    Salt Lake City, UT 84109

2) Armondo's
    2821 East 3100 South
    Salt Lake City, UT 84109
    Anchovy-Garlic Lovers Dip

3) ML Ulrich
    64 Rainier Ave. S. #D BOX 31
    Renton, WA 98055
    Bush Baby Salad

4) Schroeder
    2112 E. Breckenridge PL.
    Springfield, MO 65804
    Tangy Buffalo Wings

5) C.L.S Publications
    3020 S. National #151
    Springfield, MO 65804
    Fat Free French Fries

6) J. McCormick
    P.O. Box 274
    Gradyville, PA 19039
    Awesome Sangria

7) Michaels Publications
    10512 Rustic Rd. So.
    Seattle, WA. 98178
    Smoked Salmon Quiche

8) J. Daniels
    10108 Fairview Blvd. SW
    Port Orchard,. WA 98367
    Baba Gannoj Dip
 
9) Dalian Agencies
    5181 Polson Terrace
    Victoria B.C.
    V8Y 2C5   
    Canada
    Best bread in Canada
 
**IMPORTANT TAX INFORMATION: To ensure that you keep this legal and
honest, be certain to file a Schedule "C" Profit or Loss from business
or profession with your income tax return. Report all income you
receive and deduct all of your expenses that are related to this
business. Check with Your tax preparer to ensure that you are taking
all the legal deductions you can. Because you are buying and selling a
product or service, this type of direct marketing order is not in the
chain letter category. If no product or service is sold, then it does
become a chain letter, which would be in violation of the law.



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From: pvg@jihad.com (Peter V. Gadjokov)
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In article <m2zq3c65a8.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>, Steven L Baur
<steve@miranova.com> wrote:

> >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:
> 
> Kevin> I'm having a problem with Mailcrypt, since I installed XEmacs 19.14.
> Kevin> I get the following error when I try to decrypt a mail message:
> 
> Kevin> Invalid function: ...
> 
> This is a well-known problem with the 19.14 distribution.
> Rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs and all will be well.

How does one go about doing this? I tried re-installing mailcrypt (still got
the error) and using byte-recompile-directory (which did nothing). Any help
would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Peter V. Gadjokov     pvg@bigbook.com
BigBook Inc.          http://www.bigbook.com

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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: Gnuserv on another display
Date: 09 Sep 1996 14:05:50 +1200
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Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> writes:

[snip]

> Then I fetch a TeX document (AUC-TeX mode), do lots of typing. As
> usual in such cases, I hit C-c C-c, until I get View, which means,
> start xdvi on the dvi-file. OK, this is what I want.
> 
> But nothing happens. xdvi opened on the other display (":0.0"). I had
> to call it with "-display tx:0.0".
> 
> Is there any way to get this to work correctly (well, more
> intuitively)?

The code below seems to work on XEmacs 19.13.  It automatically adds
the "-display whatever:0" to the xdvi command.

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(require 'tex)

(defun carey-TeX-x-display ()
  (condition-case nil
      (concat "-display " (device-x-display))
    (t "")))

(setq TeX-expand-list
      (cons '("%X" carey-TeX-x-display)
	    TeX-expand-list))

(setq TeX-command-list
      (cons '("View" "%v %X " TeX-run-background t nil)
	    (delq (assoc "View" TeX-command-list) TeX-command-list)))

(provide 'tex-xdisp)

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     Carey Evans  <URL:http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~carey/>
    carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz  c.evans@student.canterbury.ac.nz

		     "It's nothing personal" <*>

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Subject: Re: Storing backup files in another directory?
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:21:06 +0200
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Mark Boyns wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to have backup files stored in a directory other than
> the current directory?  Like for example storing all backup files in
> one directory using names similar to those used for lock files in the
> lock directory.

I use this:

(defvar backup-directory "~/.emacsbackups/")

(defun make-backup-file-name (file)
  "(custom) Create the non-numeric backup file name for FILE.
   This is a separate function so you can redefine it for
customization."
  (if (file-exists-p (expand-file-name backup-directory))
      (concat (expand-file-name backup-directory)
(file-name-nondirectory file) "~")
    (concat file "~")
    )
  )

(defun find-backup-file-name (fn)
  "Find a file name for a backup file, and suggestions for deletions.
Value is a list whose car is the name for the backup file 
and whose cdr is a list of old versions to consider deleting now."
  (if (eq version-control 'never)
      (list (make-backup-file-name fn))
    (let* ((base-versions (concat  (file-name-nondirectory fn) ".~"))
	   (bv-length (length base-versions))
	   possibilities
	   (versions nil)
	   (high-water-mark 0)
	   (deserve-versions-p nil)
	   (number-to-delete 0))
      (condition-case ()
	  (setq possibilities (file-name-all-completions
			       base-versions
			       (expand-file-name backup-directory))
		versions (sort (mapcar
				(function backup-extract-version)
				possibilities)
			       '<)
		high-water-mark (apply 'max 0 versions)
		deserve-versions-p (or version-control
				       (> high-water-mark 0))
		number-to-delete (- (length versions)
				    kept-old-versions kept-new-versions -1))
	(file-error
	 (setq possibilities nil)))
      (if (not deserve-versions-p)
	  (list (make-backup-file-name fn))
	(cons (concat (expand-file-name backup-directory)
(file-name-nondirectory fn) ".~" (int-to-string (1+ high-water-mark))
"~")
	      (if (and (> number-to-delete 0)
                       ;; Delete nothing if there is overflow
		       ;; in the number of versions to keep.
		       (>= (+ kept-new-versions kept-old-versions -1) 0))
		  (mapcar (function (lambda (n)
				      (concat (expand-file-name backup-directory)
(file-name-nondirectory fn) ".~" (int-to-string n) "~")))
			  (let ((v (nthcdr kept-old-versions versions)))
			    (rplacd (nthcdr (1- number-to-delete) v) ())
			    v))))))))

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: missing Control-G interrupt in 19.14
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Bill van Melle (vanmelle@parc.xerox.com) wrote:
> I'm running the out-of-the-box, pre-built binaries for xemacs 19.14 on a
> Sparc 10 running SunOs 4.1.3.  Problem: control-G does not interrupt random
> computations; it only seems to be read when emacs is already in an i/o
> wait.  Simple example: evaluate (while t) in the *scratch* buffer and try
> to interrupt it with ctrl-g.  This worked fine for me in 19.13, but in
> 19.14 the process is not interruptable.  Any ideas?

I have seen this behaviour at a friend's on Solaris2.4.

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From: shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam)
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Subject: Re: time on modeline is off by 7 hours
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In article <x4zq34lubw.fsf@orion.animal.uiuc.edu>,
Rohan Fernando  <rohan@orion.animal.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>I am running Xemacs 19.14 on a DEC Alpha 500 and the time on the
>modeline is off by 7 hours. I do not have this problem on a Sun Sparc
>20. How do I corect this problem?

Are you using precompiled binaries? If so, are you doing
(set-time-zone-rule SPLODGE) ?

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Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a folding editor mode for xemacs version 19.12? 

Thanks in advance



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I have pb running xemacs 19.14 on Digital UNIX 4.0. The version built on
DU 3.2C core dumps. And I cannot manage to build it successfuly on 4.0
because of some types declaration in getopt1.c (getopt_long and
getopt_long_only).

Any experience ? Thanks in advance for any hint.

Michel

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From: Fraser Young <fyoung@csfp.co.uk>
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J Kevin McFadden <kevin@bullwinkle.pas.rochester.edu> writes:

> Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:
> > Changing tab-width is a bad idea, since lots of other software assumes
> > a size of 8.  Instead, in programming modes, the mode takes care of
> > indenting itself, and usually indents somewhere between 2 and 4
> > spaces by default, depending on the particular major mode.
> 
> Better yet, replace tabs with spaces:

I agree with Martin, leave the tab-width variable at 8. If you don't
and do something like this:

> (setq-default tab-width 4)
> (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

your text as created in emacs will look fine in your emacs. However,
if you view a file created by someone else's emacs (or a different
editor) the file will look a mess. 

I leave the tab-width as it is (8) and set indent-tabs-mode to nil.
That way I remain compatible with the standard (however silly) but
don't propagate tabs to upset others who don't follow that standard.

Just because you *can* change the tab-width doesn't mean you should :)

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From: kll@garwein.hai.siemens.co.at (Robert Kollruss)
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Subject: Re: [19.14]: XEmacs coredumps when W3 visits http://www.microsoft.com/
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In article <w4n2z31til.fsf@loiosh.kei.com>, Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes:
> SM> == Simon Marshall <simonm@penelope.esrin.esa.it>
> 
>  SM> XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3C)
> 
>  SM> A colleague just showed me that all the Solaris 1 and 2 netscapes and
>  SM> xmosaics that we have coredump when visiting www.microsoft.com.
> 
> It's a SunOS bug; it's fixed by either installing BIND 4.9.4-Patch1 (and
> relinking any statically linked programs that were using the old libc
> implementation of gethostbyname() with libresolv.a) or a jumbo libc patch.
> 

Using SunOS 4.1.3 and olvwm, my window manager crashes ("..broken pipe..") when I
start Netscape 1.1 having XEmacs 19.14 running.

If this is due to the same problem mentioned in the article above I have difficulties
to identify the BIND 4.9.4-Patch1.

Please, can you tell me the Patch-ID.

Is it a publicly available patch (via SunSolve-Online)?

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: scroll bar placement doesn't work!
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 14:44:02 +0200
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Joel Shapiro wrote:
> 
> I'm using XEmacs 19.14 in an SGI Indy R5000 running IRIX 6.2.  I want the
> vertical scroll bar to appear on the left of the window.  I have tried the
> following line in my .Xdefaults, as suggested in Stallman and Wing's "XEmacs
> User's Manual":
> 
> Emacs*EmacsFrame.scrollBarPlacement: bottom-left
> 
> but upon starting up xemacs, I always get the following error message in the
> shell:
> 
> Warning: Cannot convert string "bottom-left" to type scrollBarPlacement

It is bottom_left, not bottom-left.
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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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Steven Haslam wrote:
> Are you using precompiled binaries? If so, are you doing
> (set-time-zone-rule SPLODGE) ?

I believe there is a typo in your command.  (set-time-zone-rule SPLODGE) 
and, by the way also (set-time-zone-rule 'SPLODGE), give error messages
(symbol not defined and incorrect string rsp.). 

Also, there seems to be no function set-time-zone-rule (at least I can't
find one using C-h f).
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I answer to myself...

The pb with getopt1.c is that, by default -std is used with cc (not gcc)
but getop1.c cannot compile with -std but requires -std0 instead...

After that, I faced 3 other miscellanous pbs :

- In lwlib/Makefile, target 'all' was improperly defined as :

all: : ...

Removing the extraneous : solved th pb.

- Same pb in dynodump/Makefile

- In src/Makefile, iso8859-1.elc and x-iso8859-1.elc where improperly
spelled as '.e lc'.

In all cases, I think this is a pb with generation of the files from the
.in as the Makefile.in is ok.

Any comment ?

Michel

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Hello,

I'm trying to install xemacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.5 Ultra Sparc
machine. The configuraion and compilation runs fine until temacs loads
dynodump. I get the following error:


# make

[...]

   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/ao/local/install/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

What's strange is that configure is leaving a core behind which
belongs to conftest.

Any hints?

Dirk

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Here is the config:

# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/xemacs
- You did not tell me what kind of host system you want to configure.
- I will attempt to guess the kind of system this is.
- Looks like this is a sparc-sun-solaris2.5
checking for ln -s
checking the configuration name
checking for gcc
checking how to run the C preprocessor
checking for a BSD compatible install
checking for bison
checking for byacc
checking for AIX
checking for mach/mach.h
checking for sys/stropts.h
checking for sys/timeb.h
checking for sys/time.h
checking for unistd.h
checking for utime.h
checking for sys/wait.h
checking for libintl.h
checking for locale.h
checking for libgen.h
checking for linux/version.h
checking for ANSI C header files
checking for whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included
checking for sys_siglist declaration in signal.h or unistd.h
checking for struct utimbuf
checking for return type of signal handlers
checking for struct timeval
checking for struct tm in time.h
checking for tm_zone in struct tm
checking for tzname
checking for lack of working const
checking byte ordering
checking for long file names
checking for -xildoff compiler flag
checking for specified window system
  No window system specified.  Looking for X11.
checking for X include and library files with xmkmf
checking for X include and library files directly
checking for -lXt
  Using X11.
examining the machine- and system-dependent files to find out
 - which libraries the lib-src programs will want, and
 - whether the GNU malloc routines are usable.
checking for -ldnet
checking for -lXbsd
checking for -lpthreads
checking for XFree86
checking for -lX11
checking for -lXau
checking for -lDtSvc
checking the version of X11 being used
checking for X11/Xlocale.h
checking for -lm
checking for -lXpm
checking for -lXmu
checking for compface.h
checking for jpeglib.h
checking for png.h
checking for -lXm
checking for -lXm in another way
checking for declaration of h_errno in netdb.h
checking for sigsetjmp
checking whether localtime caches TZ
checking whether cross-compiling
checking for whether gettimeofday can't accept two arguments
checking for whether inline functions are supported
checking for working alloca.h
checking for alloca
checking for pid_t in sys/types.h
checking for vfork.h
checking for working vfork
checking for strcoll
checking size of short
checking size of int
checking size of long
checking for acosh
checking for asinh
checking for atanh
checking for cbrt
checking for closedir
checking for dup2
checking for eaccess
checking for fmod
checking for fpathconf
checking for frexp
checking for ftime
checking for gethostname
checking for getpagesize
checking for gettimeofday
checking for getwd
checking for logb
checking for lrand48
checking for matherr
checking for mkdir
checking for mktime
checking for perror
checking for poll
checking for random
checking for realpath
checking for rename
checking for res_init
checking for rint
checking for rmdir
checking for select
checking for setitimer
checking for setpgid
checking for setlocale
checking for setsid
checking for sigblock
checking for sighold
checking for sigprocmask
checking for strcasecmp
checking for strerror
checking for tzset
checking for utimes
checking for waitpid
checking for mmap
checking for socket
checking for netinet/in.h
checking for arpa/inet.h
checking for sun_len member in struct sockaddr_un
checking for dirent.h
checking how to do terminal I/O
checking for termios.h
checking for nlist.h
checking for -lncurses
checking for -ldb
checking for dbopen
checking for -lgdbm
checking for -ldbm
checking for dbm_open


Configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.5'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /usr/local/install/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local/xemacs
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/sol2-5.h' and `m/sparc.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc  -g -O 
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/openwin/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/openwin/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in native sound support.
  Compiling in support for DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.


creating config.status
creating Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile.in
creating man/Makefile.in
creating src/Makefile.in
creating lwlib/Makefile.in
creating dynodump/Makefile.in
creating src/config.h
src/config.h is unchanged
creating src/Makefile
creating lwlib/Makefile
creating lib-src/Makefile
creating dynodump/Makefile
creating man/Makefile

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Hello,

Does anybody know how I can stop cc-mode from interpreting
%{ and %} in yacc/bison grammar files. After %{ cc-mode the current
syntactic element is 'defun-block-intro' instead of topmost-intro. I tried
hacking in c-electric-brace and c-in-literal but to no avail (due to my
elisp inexperience) 

Thanx in advance.
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Ron,

Thanks.  Indeed, your suggestion does work.  But on page 323 of Stallman and
Wing's "XEmacs User's Manual", July 1994 version, just ftp'd from
ftp.xemacs.org, one is told to use the strings "bottom-left" etc., i.e., with a
hyphen and not an underscore, so I guess that there's a typo in the
documentation.  Maybe Stallman or Wing could correct this . . .

Joel.

On Sep 9,  2:44pm, Ronald Fischer wrote:
> Subject: Re: scroll bar placement doesn't work!
> Joel Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > I'm using XEmacs 19.14 in an SGI Indy R5000 running IRIX 6.2.  I want the
> > vertical scroll bar to appear on the left of the window.  I have tried the
> > following line in my .Xdefaults, as suggested in Stallman and Wing's
"XEmacs
> > User's Manual":
> >
> > Emacs*EmacsFrame.scrollBarPlacement: bottom-left
> >
> > but upon starting up xemacs, I always get the following error message in
the
> > shell:
> >
> > Warning: Cannot convert string "bottom-left" to type scrollBarPlacement
>
> It is bottom_left, not bottom-left.
> --
>
> Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
> business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
> private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org
>-- End of excerpt from Ronald Fischer



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"Ron":

A scam is a scam is a scam . . .

A pyramid is a pyramid is a pyramid . . . no matter what you call it.

You are abusing the principles of Usenet and the Internet with this post.
 Please keep your posts relevant to XEmacs!


On Sep 5,  6:00am, Ron wrote:
> Subject: Your business and computer.
> Hello Friends!
>
> 	Welcome to the world of Multi-Level Marketing (MLM). THIS IS NOT A
> SCAM, it is an actual business opportunity. After spending hundreds of
> dollars on get rich quick schemes and classified advertisements
> selling my product, I realized that the ads were not paying off. That
> was before I came across this amazing opportunity. I chose this MLM
> plan because of the large diversity of products that can be offered,
> plus the fact that it is inexpensive when compared to other plans.
> 	What makes this plan legal, unlike many of the pyramid schemes that
> are online, is that you are buying and selling an actual product, and
> so is everybody else that decides to make money with this opportunity.
> It is simple, you sell an original recipe, craft, poem, plan, or idea
> through the mail for $2.00 (US Currency). It is easy with Multi-Level
> Marketing. MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) IS BEING TAUGHT IN
> HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL, AND BOTH STANFORD RESEARCH
> AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAVE STATED THAT BETWEEN
> 50% AND 55% OF ALL GOODS AND SERVICES WILL BE SOLD BY
> MULTI-LEVEL METHODS IN THE MID 1990'S! This is truly a MULTI-BILLION
> DOLLAR INDUSTRY! Of the 500,000 millionaires in the United States, 20%
> have made their fortune in the last seven years using MLM. Even if you
> just try this out of curiosity, be prepared for a flood of orders.
>
> **IMPORTANT TAX INFORMATION: To ensure that you keep this legal and
> honest, be certain to file a Schedule "C" Profit or Loss from business
> or profession with your income tax return. Report all income you
> receive and deduct all of your expenses that are related to this
> business. Check with Your tax preparer to ensure that you are taking
> all the legal deductions you can. Because you are buying and selling a
> product or service, this type of direct marketing order is not in the
> chain letter category. If no product or service is sold, then it does
> become a chain letter, which would be in violation of the law.
>
> 	Here is what to do:
>
> 		1) Send $2.00 (US) and a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope (SASE)
to
> each of the nine people on the list below (this is the important part,
> if no one sends the money for the products, then this plan will not
> work... KEEP IT HONEST.) Note: Be sure to either put the two dollars
> in the SASE or wrap it separately in another sheet of paper, because
> if it can be seen when the envelope is sealed, a postal worker may
> steal it.
>
> 		2) Revise the list by placing your name in slot #9 and moving
all the
> others on the list up one number (move #2 to #1, and so on) drop the
> current #1 from the list.
>
> 		3)Send the revised list and message out to as many people as
> possible, newsgroups, e-mail, even send it snail mail to friends. Try
> to send at least 100.
>
> 		4)Soon you will start receiving orders. Simply stuff the SASEs
with
> you recipe(or whatever) and drop them in the mail box.
>
> 		5)Spend your the money that you received from each envelope on
> whatever you want. Pay off bills (wouldn't it be nice to get out of
> debt?), buy new toys (a car maybe?), just have fun!
>
> REMEMBER, THE PRIME FACTORS THAT MAKE THIS WORK FOR YOU ARE:
>
> 1)  HONESTY  - Sending the $2.00 (US) to the members listed below for
> their products or recipes is what makes this work, they have worked
> hard for this opportunity.
>
> 2) INTEGRITY - Fill all of your orders promptly, because this is a
> legitimate business, and if you don't, you can get nailed for false
> advertising. You must deliver what your customers have paid for.
>
> 3) ACTION - Begin right away so that you can start receiving the money
> you deserve immediately!
>
> START TODAY!!!!!
>
> If you only send out 100 of the new messages, and only get a tiny 4%
> response rate, then here is what will happen:
>
> 1) You send out 100 letters with your name in position 9
>
>
>
> 2) Those                4 send out 100 letters with your name in
> position 8                         16 Replies
> 3) Those              16 send out 100 letters with your name in
> position 7                         64 Replies
> 4) Those              64 send out 100 letters with your name in
> position 6                       256 Replies
> 5) Those            256 send out 100 letters with your name in
> position 5                    1,024 Replies
> 6) Those         1,024 send out 100 letters with your name in position
> 4                    4,096 Replies
> 7) Those         4,096 send out 100 letters with your name in position
> 3                  16,384 Replies
> 8) Those       16,384 send out 100 letters with your name in position
> 2                  65,536 Replies
> 9) Those       65,536 send out 100 letters with your name in position
> 1                262,144 Replies
> 						    TOTAL REPLIES
               349,524
> 				        TOTAL SALES @ $2.00 EACH
             $699,048
>
>
> OK HERE IS THE LIST:
>
>
> 1) Amazon Discovery
>     3171 East 33rd SO
>     Bldg. 188
>     Salt Lake City, UT 84109
>
> 2) Armondo's
>     2821 East 3100 South
>     Salt Lake City, UT 84109
>     Anchovy-Garlic Lovers Dip
>
> 3) ML Ulrich
>     64 Rainier Ave. S. #D BOX 31
>     Renton, WA 98055
>     Bush Baby Salad
>
> 4) Schroeder
>     2112 E. Breckenridge PL.
>     Springfield, MO 65804
>     Tangy Buffalo Wings
>
> 5) C.L.S Publications
>     3020 S. National #151
>     Springfield, MO 65804
>     Fat Free French Fries
>
> 6) J. McCormick
>     P.O. Box 274
>     Gradyville, PA 19039
>     Awesome Sangria
>
> 7) Michaels Publications
>     10512 Rustic Rd. So.
>     Seattle, WA. 98178
>     Smoked Salmon Quiche
>
> 8) J. Daniels
>     10108 Fairview Blvd. SW
>     Port Orchard,. WA 98367
>     Baba Gannoj Dip
>
> 9) Dalian Agencies
>     5181 Polson Terrace
>     Victoria B.C.
>     V8Y 2C5
>     Canada
>     Best bread in Canada
>
> **IMPORTANT TAX INFORMATION: To ensure that you keep this legal and
> honest, be certain to file a Schedule "C" Profit or Loss from business
> or profession with your income tax return. Report all income you
> receive and deduct all of your expenses that are related to this
> business. Check with Your tax preparer to ensure that you are taking
> all the legal deductions you can. Because you are buying and selling a
> product or service, this type of direct marketing order is not in the
> chain letter category. If no product or service is sold, then it does
> become a chain letter, which would be in violation of the law.
>
>-- End of excerpt from Ron



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  Joel A. Shapiro                                          |>          |>
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  Princeton University                                  |_____|     |_____|
  Princeton, NJ  08544  USA                              \   /       \   /
  Phone:   (609) 258-3839                                |---|       |---|
  Fax:     (609) 258-1270                                | + |_-_-_-_| + |
  E-mail:  joel@dragon.princeton.edu                     |   =       =   |
  WWW:     http://dragon.princeton.edu                   |=    +++++    =|
  Computational And Stochastic Transportation            |_____|||||_____|
  Logistics Engineering Laboratory                      | _____|||||_____ |
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Hi,

When I start up xemacs on the Sun, Solaris 2.4, in no window mode, I get
this weird error: Args out of range: 24, 32, 127.

I have no idea where this error is coming from.  I don't get any errors
when I start up xemacs in normal mode, i.e. without the -nw flag.
 
Any help would be most appreciated.





-- 
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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: Re: Mailcrypt Error
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pvg@jihad.com (Peter V. Gadjokov) writes:

> How does one go about doing this? I tried re-installing mailcrypt (still got
> the error) and using byte-recompile-directory (which did nothing). Any help
> would be appreciated. 

Try touching all of the `.el' files in that directory (before or after
an install), and then do `byte-recompile-directory'.

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
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I have found the problem and solution.  The 
problem is with the IRIX 5.2 RE's in compile.el.  I 
can post a patch if anyone is interested.

MikeB

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories


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>>>>> "JMH" == Joel M Hoffman <joel@exc.com> writes:

JMH> Let's just go all the way and write a c-compiler in Java.... :-)

Heh.  Let's get vmunix.el(c) up and running, first :).

JMH> -Joel [who thinks Java is a monumental waste of time.]

Java is not a waste of time, in and of itself.  But I do think that the
neatness/coolness factor (as if pseudo-machines are something new) has
convinced a lot of people that it is the right tool for every job.
Nothing could be further from reality, and sooner or later it will hit a
Jersey Barrier at 80mph.  Maybe it will survive the crash, and maybe
not; only time will tell.

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Whenever I do a make install on xemacs-19.14 I get the following problem:
....libgcc.a:warning: table of contents for archive is out of date;rerun ranlib

I just can't get past this.  Soon after a bunch of those messages it tells 
me it failed for target 'lib-src'.   

Simply put, what do I need to do to successfully install xemacs-19.14 and
get past these errors?   I executed ranlib to no effect.
I'm installling it on a SPARCstation 10 under SunOS4.1.3_U1.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

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From: Michael Levasseur <levass@gdesystems.com>
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I recently install Xemacs 19.14 on an HP 9000 with HPUX 9.?? and an HP
9000 with HPUX 10.10.
The HPUX 9.?? installed fine and works great. The Xemacs on the HPUX
10.10 gets the following
error when it is kicked-off:

crt0:Error:mmap failed for dld (text) errno:00000022

Has anyone seen this error before and does anyone have a clue.

Thanx for any information..........

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>>>>> "M" == M H FISHER <esx063@coventry.ac.uk> writes:

M> Ive just installed xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-shared and I 
M> get a segmentation fault when I launch it:-

M> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
M> Segmentation fault

M> I've also tried recompiling using gcc and although there are no obvious 
M> errors during the compilation I get the same runtime error.

M> Any suggestions?

Recompilation and relinking should have cured it.  Are you sure you
were using the binary you had just compiled?

At any rate a complete answer looks like from the XEmacs FAQ:

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               
   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:

    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.

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>>>>> "Alain" == Alain CHEVREL <chevrel@ibm.net> writes:

Alain> How to activate a SORT by SIZE in dired mode ?       tks

C-h f dired-sort-on-size

dired-sort-on-size: ()
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "dired-x".
Sorts a dired listing on file size.
If your ls cannot sort on size, this is useful as `dired-after-readin-hook':
    (setq dired-after-readin-hook 'dired-sort-on-size)

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>>>>> "Geremy" == Geremy Freifeld <gfreifeld@space.honeywell.com> writes:

Geremy> Has Anyone tried to compile/install XEmacs for win-32 with
Geremy> the GNU tools for win-32?

Geremy> I just got the GNU tools (i.e gcc, e.t.c) for win-32 recently,
Geremy> and they appear to work fine.  The library is relatively
Geremy> complete, except that it doesn't have all of the X
Geremy> stuff. Would it be unreasonable to try and compile the source
Geremy> with the "no X" option?

That sounds good.  Try it, and please report your experiences back to
the newsgroup.


-Geremy--> (An Excited NT User)
If you say so.
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Boyns <boyns@sdsu.edu> writes:

Mark> Is it possible to have backup files stored in a directory other
Mark> than the current directory?  Like for example storing all backup
Mark> files in one directory using names similar to those used for
Mark> lock files in the lock directory.

I was positive I had seen something like this before, but I can't find
the reference.  There is certainly a hook for it:

C-h f make-backup-file-name

make-backup-file-name: (file)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
Create the non-numeric backup file name for FILE.
This is a separate function so you can redefine it for customization.
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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Tell <tell@cs.unc.edu> writes:

> Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
Hrvoje> set-mark-command is even better, e.g.:
Hrvoje> 
Hrvoje> (global-set-key [(control ?2)]
Hrvoje> '(lambda (arg) (interactive "P") (set-mark-command arg)))


Stephen> How does this differ in practice from simply:

Stephen> (global-set-key [(control ?2)] 'set-mark-command)


It doesn't, in this case.  But it is a good general purpose technique
for binding non-interactive commands to keys, and also illustrates the
use of Lisp anonymous `Lambda' functions.

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>>>>> "Travis" == Travis Koch <travis@arcs.bcit.bc.ca> writes:

Travis> Hi!
Travis> The following worked fine with lemacs 19.11 but 
Travis> leaves f2 undefined under 19.14.  Currently running 
Travis> Sparc-Solaris2.4 but I get the same results at home
Travis> on my Linux 2.0.15 PC.

Travis> Any help would be appreciated

Travis> ;; Customization of Specific packages ;;
Travis> (define-key c-mode-map 'f2  'c-insert-function)

Try the more modern syntax:
(define-key c-mode-map [(f2)] 'c-insert-function)

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>>>>> "St" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>>>>> "Alain" == Alain CHEVREL <chevrel@ibm.net> writes:
    Alain> How to activate a SORT by SIZE in dired mode ?  tks

    St> C-h f dired-sort-on-size

    St> dired-sort-on-size: () -- a compiled Lisp function.  -- loads
    St> from "dired-x".  Sorts a dired listing on file size.  If your
    St> ls cannot sort on size, this is useful as
    St> `dired-after-readin-hook': (setq dired-after-readin-hook
    St> 'dired-sort-on-size)

For me, adding this, opening xemacs, and starting dired, produces an
error message about the dired-buffer being read only.

Any ideas about how to fix this?

kendall shaw

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>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:

>>>>> "St" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "Alain" == Alain CHEVREL <chevrel@ibm.net> writes:

Alain> How to activate a SORT by SIZE in dired mode ?  tks

St> C-h f dired-sort-on-size

kendall> For me, adding this, opening xemacs, and starting dired,
kendall> produces an error message about the dired-buffer being read
kendall> only.

kendall> Any ideas about how to fix this?

Congratulations.  You have found a bug in XEmacs 19.14.  Here's how to
fix it:

Use the following initialization code:
(autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)
(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook 'dired-sort-on-size)

(In case you're using the startup code from the sample.emacs)

And apply this patch to dired.el to make it work correctly:

--- dired.el~	Thu Jun  6 17:19:28 1996
+++ dired.el	Mon Sep  9 15:35:38 1996
@@ -456,7 +456,8 @@
       ;; dired-readin's output, nothing else.  The hook can
       ;; successfully use dired functions (e.g. dired-get-filename)
       ;; as the subdir-alist has been built in dired-readin.
-      (run-hooks 'dired-after-readin-hook)
+      (let ((buffer-read-only nil))
+	(run-hooks 'dired-after-readin-hook))
       (goto-char (point-min))
       (dired-initial-position dirname))
     (set-buffer old-buf)

Now, does this work a bit better?
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    Joel> Thanks.  Indeed, your suggestion does work.  But on page 323
    Joel> of Stallman and Wing's "XEmacs User's Manual", July 1994
    Joel> version, just ftp'd from ftp.xemacs.org, one is told to use
    Joel> the strings "bottom-left" etc., i.e., with a hyphen and not
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This has already been fixed in the manual for 19.15...


			-Chuck

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HELP,

Does anyone know where I can find emacs/xemacs binaries
for NT 4.0 PentiumPro?

TIA
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>>>>> "St" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>>>>> "kendall" == kendall shaw <kshaw@plight.lbin.com> writes:
>>>>> "St" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

    kendall> For me, adding this, opening xemacs, and starting dired,
    kendall> produces an error message about the dired-buffer being
    kendall> read only.

    kendall> Any ideas about how to fix this?

    St> Congratulations.  You have found a bug in XEmacs 19.14.
    St> Here's how to fix it:

    St> Use the following initialization code: (autoload
    St> 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)
    St> (add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook 'dired-sort-on-size)

    St> (In case you're using the startup code from the sample.emacs)

    St> And apply this patch to dired.el to make it work correctly:

[snip]
 
    St> Now, does this work a bit better? 

Works well... But, I don't want it all of the time. Is there a way
to run the function in dired after the directory is listed?



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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Steve, Could you say exactly how to use this feature. I wanted to sort
by size as well, and it now works. But now it doesn't toggle. I press
's' and it resorts by size, I press 's' again and nothing further
happens. I used toggle between name and date.

--
rick

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In article <x5sybin2r3m.fsf@straylight.engr.sgi.com>, 
limes@straylight.engr.sgi.com says...
>I use this in my .emacs:
>
>(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
>(global-font-lock-mode 1 t)

Why have you selected font-lock instead of hilit19?  I know that both packages 
are available for GNU Emacs yet am not at all clear what the benefits are of 
one over the other.

--
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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
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Subject: is there a csh-mode?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:50:38 +0200
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Is there a package available for editing csh- 
and tcsh-scripts, i.e. a csh-/tcsh-mode?

Thank you!
-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
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I have already compiled and installed xemacs-19.13 but wanted some of the
features that are in v 19.14. The long and short of it is after doing ./configure

per the INSTALL doc, make in the top directory the process stops cold
with the following messages:
/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib -g -O database.c
database.c 35: ndblm.h: no such file or directory
Make[1]: *** [database.o] Error 1
Make[1]: *** Leaving directory /usr/src/xemacs-19.14/src
Make: *** [src] Error 2
The file came from xemacs.org so I find it hard to believe that it is 
missing a piece-But I am not a programmer so can't even really make a
guess-Any help or suggestions will be appreciated-I have NO problem
taking and following instructions-BTW my system is Linux, slackware 3.1
distribution w/Xfree 3.1.2---Thanks in advance jeff phillips
6179a@deltanet.com 



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Sorry that I post another message on this topic.

Ron wrote

> Hello Friends!
>         
>         Welcome to the world of Multi-Level Marketing (MLM). THIS IS NOT A
> SCAM, it is an actual business opportunity. After spending hundreds of
> dollars on get rich quick schemes and classified advertisements
> selling my product, I realized that the ads were not paying off. That
> was before I came across this amazing opportunity. I chose this MLM
> plan because of the large diversity of products that can be offered,
> plus the fact that it is inexpensive when compared to other plans.
>         What makes this plan legal, unlike many of the pyramid schemes that
> are online, is that you are buying and selling an actual product, and
> so is everybody else that decides to make money with this opportunity.
> It is simple, you sell an original recipe, craft, poem, plan, or idea
> through the mail for $2.00 (US Currency). It is easy with Multi-Level
> Marketing. MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) IS BEING TAUGHT IN
> HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL, AND BOTH STANFORD RESEARCH
> AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAVE STATED THAT BETWEEN
> 50% AND 55% OF ALL GOODS AND SERVICES WILL BE SOLD BY
> MULTI-LEVEL METHODS IN THE MID 1990'S! This is truly a MULTI-BILLION
> DOLLAR INDUSTRY! Of the 500,000 millionaires in the United States, 20%
> have made their fortune in the last seven years using MLM. Even if you
> just try this out of curiosity, be prepared for a flood of orders.
> 
[plus a lot of other blah-blah...]

Ron is right on the importance of Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) in the
future,
but what he is doing is NOT Multi-Level Marketing. MLM is a serious
business,
where people meet people, show them products, let them test these
products,
and so on. An it's real hard work to do (not just posting messages to
dozens of people and waiting for money to return) - I can tell, because
I'm
trying to build my own business on an MLM approach in my spare time.

So Ron, what you're doing is not only abusing mailing lists but also
discrediting people, who try to make a business honestly and seriously.

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Hi,

Because sound stopped to work (because NAS started to work, so
/dev/audio is busy), I wanted to recompile XEmacs-19.14 with NAS
support.

Almost at the end of the compilation/linking I got the following:
   ...
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
 unexec - unexec'd shlib image has sbrk() in it -- we quit!
 make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/merlin1/ricky/ftp/XEmacs/xemacs-19.14/src'
 make: *** [src] Error 2

And all stops without creating the real xemacs.

Any help?

Another problem, I was urged to change the line reffering to LOADLIBES
in lib-src/Makefile in order to compile smoothly under that directory.
(adding the -liberty flag)

           LOADLIBES= -lresolv -liberty -L/usr/local/lib 

Because of this, I got many warnings about re-declaration of mem* functions.

The configure line I used is: 
     ./configure  --verbose --with-gcc --with-gnu-make
                  --site-libraries=/usr/local/lib 
                  --dynamic=no 
                  --prefix=/u/ricky/dist 
                  --with-database=dbm --cflags=-O2 
                  --bindir=/u/ricky/dist/bin/sparc-sunos4.1.4 
                  --with-sound=nas

Any comments?

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From: p.harrison@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk (Paul Harrison)
Subject: Set line length?
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Is it possible to set the maximum line length in xemacs to say 75
characters?  Upon reaching this xemacs would insert a carriage return
and move the current incomplete word down to the next line.

The equivalent for a standard 80 column window for vi would be the entry

set wm=5

in the .exrc file.

Thanking you in advance.
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________

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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Harrison <p.harrison@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk> writes:

    Paul> Is it possible to set the maximum line length in xemacs to
    Paul> say 75 characters?  Upon reaching this xemacs would insert a
    Paul> carriage return and move the current incomplete word down to
    Paul> the next line.

M-x auto-fill-mode
M-7 5 C-x f

auto-fill-mode: (&optional arg)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
Toggle auto-fill mode.
With arg, turn auto-fill mode on if and only if arg is positive.
In Auto-Fill mode, inserting a space at a column beyond `current-fill-column'
automatically breaks the line at a previous space.

set-fill-column:
Set `fill-column' to current column, or to argument if given.
The variable `fill-column' has a separate value for each buffer.



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From: Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:10:48 +0200
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Hi !

Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within xemacs-19.13
it works fine.

Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.


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;; Autoinsert
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(load-library "autoinsert")
(setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
(setq auto-insert-alist 
      '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))

---

Regards,
Gran

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From: heydenj@natlab.research.philips.com (Heijden van der J.)
Subject: Re: 19.14 and c++-mode next-error
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mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan) writes:
> 
> Mike Bresnahan wrote:
> 
-- SNIP --
> 
> If I edit the *compilation* buffer, removing the quotes, before 
> calling next-error, the file 't.c' is found just fine.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

Yep. Had the same problem. One of the regular expressions in the
compilation-error-regexp-alist (in compile.el) matches too much. In your
case, it matches sequences including quotes as file names. Really got me
annoyed, too.

Just adding a correctly matching regexp to the beginning or end of the alist
didn't seem to work for me. So I had to copy the whole definition out of
compile.el to my .emacs and modify the regexp in case.

The only modification I made was changing
    ;; jwz:
    ;; IRIX 5.2
    ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
    (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
to
    (" \\([^ \n,\"]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
so that filenames may no longer contain quotes if this regexp is supposed to
match. Of course, in unix it IS possible to have filenames with quotes. But
I don't have any, so this fix works for me at least.

Hope this helps.

Greetings,
			Jos van der Heijden
-- 
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    Prof. Holstlaan 4           5656 AA Eindhoven           The Netherlands
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Levasseur <levass@gdesystems.com> writes:

    Michael> I recently install Xemacs 19.14 on an HP 9000 with HPUX
    Michael> 9.?? and an HP 9000 with HPUX 10.10.  The HPUX 9.??
    Michael> installed fine and works great. The Xemacs on the HPUX
    Michael> 10.10 gets the following error when it is kicked-off:

    Michael> crt0:Error:mmap failed for dld (text) errno:00000022

    Michael> Has anyone seen this error before and does anyone have a
    Michael> clue.

Typically, you're trying to run a 10.X binary on a 9.X system.

Richard.

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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Harrison <p.harrison@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk> writes:

  Paul> Is it possible to set the maximum line length in xemacs to say 75
  Paul> characters?  Upon reaching this xemacs would insert a carriage return
  Paul> and move the current incomplete word down to the next line.

Evaluating the following will do what you want in the current buffer:

(setq fill-column 75)
(turn-on-auto-fill)

If you want 75 to be the default value for the fill-column in all buffers you
use :

(setq-default fill-column 75)

instead.

And if you want auto-fill mode to be on by default for some major modes you put
something like the following in your .emacs :

;; Turn on auto-fill-mode in text mode
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

Auto-fill mode does automatic line wrapping only when you enter a space
character beyond the fill-column. If you insert text in the middle of a
paragraph and the filling gets corrupted use (fill-paragraph) generally bound
to M-q to force a paragraph refill.

Oscar

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Subject: Re: time on modeline is off by 7 hours
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Ronald Fischer wrote:
> 
> Steven Haslam wrote:
> > Are you using precompiled binaries? If so, are you doing
> > (set-time-zone-rule SPLODGE) ?
> 
> I believe there is a typo in your command.  (set-time-zone-rule SPLODGE)
> and, by the way also (set-time-zone-rule 'SPLODGE), give error messages
> (symbol not defined and incorrect string rsp.).
> 
> Also, there seems to be no function set-time-zone-rule (at least I can't
> find one using C-h f).
> --

eg
(set-time-zone-rule "BST")
 

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From: shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam)
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Subject: help please: gnus/nntp and SOCKS firewall
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I'm trying to use gnus with two news servers: one inside our company
firewall, one outside. I intend to use nntp to access these hosts. I
have "Gnus v5.3; nntp 4.0".

To get outside the firewall, we use the SOCKS4 protocol, and have
socksified versions of telnet, ftp... called rtelnet, rftp...

AFAICT, I need to customise the nntp.el backend. I found the
definition of `nntp-open-server-function' and attempted to override
this:

--- .gnus file start ---
(defun nntp-open-rtelnet (server)
  ;; Start telnet process. Scheme is to use rtelnet for names that
  ;; have a "." in them. So telnet is used for "news", and rtelnet is
  ;; used for "pubnews.someco.uk".
  (start-process
   "nntpd"
   nntp-server-buffer
   (if (string-match "\\." server) "rtelnet" "telnet")
   server
   "nntp"))

(require 'nntp)
(setq nntp-open-server-function 'nntp-open-rtelnet)
(nnoo-define 'nntp-open-server-function nil)
--- .gnus file end ---

As far as I can tell, this does create a buffer and attach a telnet
process to it. But emacs appears to hang just as the sentinel is
attached.

Has anyone else had any luck using gnus/nntp through a firewall?

Thanks in advance.
--
                  under the water where you can't breathe
                  choking feeling sinking deep
http://www.arise.demon.co.uk/                     steve.haslam@armltd.co.uk

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From: shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Set line length?
Date: 10 Sep 1996 10:52:09 GMT
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In article <3235286B.41C6@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>,
Paul Harrison <p.harrison@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>Is it possible to set the maximum line length in xemacs to say 75
>characters?  Upon reaching this xemacs would insert a carriage return
>and move the current incomplete word down to the next line.

See the variable `fill-column' and the functions `auto-fill-mode' and
`turn-on-auto-fill'.

In auto fill mode, emacs refills the paragraph when you type a space
or newline, effectively. This isn't quite so smooth as refilling every
character but is faster and gets the job done in the end. You get used
to it easily enough.

You can automatically set fill-column to the current column with 'C-u
C-x f'. (Type 'C-h w set-fill-column' to verify this).

You can make auto-fill-mode the default for, say, text mode by adding
the following line to your .emacs file:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

You can make a key toggle auto-fill-mode by using one of define-key,
global-set-key or local-set-key (to set it in a particular mode
only). For example:

(global-set-key '[(shift f5)] 'auto-fill-mode)

will make shift-F5 toggle auto-fill-mode. The current state is
indicated by "Fill" in the mode line.

HTH.
--
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 pay back all of it, i'll throw the switch, somewhere an electric chair awaits
http://www.arise.demon.co.uk/                     steve.haslam@armltd.co.uk

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs
Subject: Re: EMACS/XEMACS binaries?
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try:

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html
-- 


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From: Dave Woodcock <dw@uunet.uu.net>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Folding mode for xemacs 19.12
Date: 10 Sep 1996 13:58:43 GMT
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You might try the following, which is available at
ftp://ftp.csd.uu.se/pub/users/andersl/emacs/folding.el.
I can't vouch that it'll work with 19.12.

;;; folding.el -- A folding-editor-like minor mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, Jamie Lokier,
;;                                             All rights reserved.
;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996, Jari Aalto, Anders Lindgren,
;;                                 Jack Repenning, All rights reserved.

;; Author: Jamie Lokier    <jamie@rebellion.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: HPUX 10.10 Problems
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>>>>> Michael Levasseur writes:

 levass> I recently install Xemacs 19.14 on an HP 9000 with HPUX 9.??
 levass> and an HP 9000 with HPUX 10.10. The HPUX 9.?? installed fine
 levass> and works great. The Xemacs on the HPUX gets the following
 levass> error when it is kicked-off:

 levass> crt0:Error:mmap failed for dld (text) errno:00000022

 levass> Has anyone seen this error before and does anyone have a
 levass> clue.

Are you using the same binary?  The paths for various shared libraries
changed from 9 to 10, and this sounds like what you may running up
against.  I believe that HP-UX 10 has some tools which helps you set
up links if you really need to run a 9.x dynamically linked binary on
10.x.  

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From: moem1@medtronic.COM (Mark Moe)
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can anybody point me to a verilog mode for xemacs 19.14?

I know that Cadence has a verilog mode for lemacs, but
has anybody got that running with xemacs?

Thanks,

- Mark

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shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam) writes:

> --- .gnus file start ---
> (defun nntp-open-rtelnet (server)
>   ;; Start telnet process. Scheme is to use rtelnet for names that
>   ;; have a "." in them. So telnet is used for "news", and rtelnet is
>   ;; used for "pubnews.someco.uk".
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> (nnoo-define 'nntp-open-server-function nil)
> --- .gnus file end ---

The `nnoo-define' thing is probably not a good idea.

> As far as I can tell, this does create a buffer and attach a telnet
> process to it. But emacs appears to hang just as the sentinel is
> attached.

What does the " *nntpd*" buffer contain when this function hangs?

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How can I change the color used for perl keywords in Xemacs 19.14.
They are now in sort of a pukish hard-to-see mustard color.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions of pointers to docs.

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Is anyone working on a port of emacs to the Be? (http://www.be.com)

Anand.
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I want to start using XEmacs for C++ development and am a bit confused
about the toolbars in debugging mode. I get into the debugging mode by
typing
debugger Freeway &
in the maketool window (from example programs)

When I press a the buttons, on the toolbar, such as to set a
breakpoint, I get the following:

internal error: Command received for undefined interpreter

However, the buttons work from the Debugger windows.

I am using Solaris 2.5 on a new Ultra 2.


What am I doing wrong? Should I be using dbx to use the toolbar?
Could you recommend some good documentation on debugging with XEmacs
and SparcWorks?

Many thanks!

-- 
Justin Gordon                   Mellon Capital Management
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amancini@bnr.ca (Adrian Mancini) wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find emacs/xemacs binaries
>for NT 4.0 PentiumPro?

I don't know if either of these have been tested under NT 4.0, but you
can get WIn32 binaries at the following sites:

XEmacs:  http://www.pearlsoft.com
(This is a commercial port, but last I heard the free demo was
fully-functional except for occasional nag messages and had no license
restrictions on its use.  Also last I heard, however, it was still
based on a rather out-of-date version of XEmacs.)

GNU Emacs:  http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html


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I'm using different executables that I down loaded from the

http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu/ftp-sites.html

ftp site:

ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs

On a Sun running SunOS4.1 I'm using
  xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3.tar.gz

On the HP 9000 running HPUX 9.05 I'm using
  xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
  xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05.tar.gz

On the HP 9000 running HPUX 10.01 I'm using
   xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
   xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.01.tar.gz

The Sun and the HPUX 9.05 version work great, no problems.

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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Kim <frankkim@antoniades.lcs.mit.edu> writes:

Frank> Hi, When I start up xemacs on the Sun, Solaris 2.4, in no
Frank> window mode, I get this weird error: Args out of range: 24, 32,
Frank> 127.

unset DISPLAY.  Then
Try `xemacs -q'.  If that is OK, the problem is in your .emacs.  Then
try `xemacs -debug-init'.
-- 
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>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Jouvin <jouvin@lal.in2p3.fr> writes:

Michel> all: : ...

Michel> Removing the extraneous : solved th pb.

Michel> - Same pb in dynodump/Makefile

Michel> - In src/Makefile, iso8859-1.elc and x-iso8859-1.elc where improperly
Michel> spelled as '.e lc'.

Michel> In all cases, I think this is a pb with generation of the files from the
Michel> .in as the Makefile.in is ok.

Michel> Any comment ?

Looks like extra spaces were inserted by some C pre-processor.  If you
have one that doesn't do this, set environment variable CPP to its
path.
e.g. on Suns CPP=/usr/ccs/lib/cpp.

But this should be unnecessary, as configure should by default select
a good cpp to use for your system.  Try to figure out why it isn't.

-- 
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Marc Auslander (marc@marc.watson.ibm.com) wrote:
: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html


NTEmacs works great with NT 4.0, and with together with gnuclient sure
beats the notepad editor (even though they have actually managed to fix
the file size limit in the Windows NT notepad...).

BUT: It's just not the same as the good new XEmacs 19.14 I'm used to.
Isn't there anybody out there with a couple of, well, er, probably
years, to spare and port XEmacs to Windows NT???

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Hi all.  I am a lisp newbie.  emacs 19.3x used to be able to
delete-previous-word by pressing ALT-BS on my linux X11 box.  How can I
add this to my .emacs file to do this with xemacs 19.14?  Currently it
seems to start to mark a block or something similiar.

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>>>>> On 06 Sep 1996 21:43:33 -0700, Martin Buchholz said:
> Unfortunately, other apps don't know about this rebinding.
> Sun's sparc key mappings are simply baroque and broke.

> I recommend that Sun users do a magic xmodmap remap of their keyboard.
> Here's my perl script to do this:

Where does this script go? (something like .xinitrc?)

Thanks.

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>>>>> On 08 Sep 1996 14:06:27 -0700, Mark Boyns said:

> Is it possible to have backup files stored in a directory other than
> the current directory?  Like for example storing all backup files in
> one directory using names similar to those used for lock files in the
> lock directory.

see backup.el (below) and place this in .emacs:
(load-file "backup.elc")
(require 'backup)
(backup-set-directory "~/xemacs-backup")


-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
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;;	From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu Fri Jul 21 21:18 PDT 1995
;;	From: birge@robotics.ece.nps.navy.mil (Jonathan Birge 656-2629)
;;	Subject: Backup package
;;	Date: 22 Jul 1995 03:19:39 GMT
;;	To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
;;	
;;	Recently there have been several requests for ways to control the
;;	location and/or name of backup files. A couple methods were posted
;;	involving changing the make-backup-name function, but these didn't
;;	really work if you wanted to change the location of backup
;;	files. So today I decided to write a tiny package which allows the
;;	user to easily change the location and (to a certain extent) the
;;	naming of backup files.
;;	
;;	This is my first attempt at an elisp library, so I'm sure there is
;;	some pretty gross code in here. Nonetheless, it has been working fine for
;;	me under XEmacs 19.12. I hope this helps at least *somebody* besides myself.
;;	
;;	-Jonathan
;;	
;;	-------------cut here-----------------cut here-------------------

;;; backup.el --- Organize all backup files into single directory

;; Copyright (C) 1995 Jonathan R. Birge.

;; Author: Jonathan R. Birge <birge@engin.swarthmore.edu>
;; Created: Fri Jul 21 18:23:48 1995
;; Version: $Id: backup.el,v 1.3 1995/07/22 03:01:18 birge Exp $
;; Keywords: backup 

;; Backup.el is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published
;; by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your
;; option) any later version.
;;
;; Backup.el is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
;; WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
;; General Public License for more details.
;;
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; By default, Emacs will store a backup file in the same directory as
;; the parent file. This package allows you to specify an alternate
;; directory into which *all* backup files will be placed. To avoid
;; naming conflicts, and to facilitate automated recovery, the parent
;; file's full path name is included in the name of each backup file.
;;
;; Make sure that the directory you want to use is already created
;; before calling the ``backup-directory'' function.
;;
;; Installation:
;;
;; Add the following lines to your .emacs file:
;; (require 'backup)
;; (backup-set-directory "~/mybackupdir")
;;
;; Reporting Bugs:
;;
;; Send all bug reports and patches to the author's address
;; above. Comments of any kind are also welcome. This is the first
;; emacs lisp I've ever written, so be gentle.

;;; Code:

(defconst backup-version "$Id: backup.el,v 1.3 1995/07/22 03:01:18 birge Exp $")

(defvar backup-directory nil
  "If non-nil, denotes the directory into which all backup files are saved.
You should never change this variable by hand; use backup-set-directory
instead.")

(defvar backup-name-suffix "~"
  "*String which is appended to the name of all backup files.
If backup-directory is non-nil, this string may be empty.")

(defun backup-set-directory (pathname)
  "Specify the directory into which all backup files will be saved.
If PATHNAME is blank or invalid, then backup files will be saved into
the same directory as their parent files."
  (interactive
   (list (read-directory-name "Set backup directory to: "
			      backup-directory backup-directory t)))
  (setq pathname (expand-file-name pathname))
  ;; make sure that pathname ends with a '/'
  (cond ((not (char-equal (aref pathname (- (length pathname) 1)) ?/))
	 (setq pathname (concat pathname "/"))))
  ;; check validity of directory
  (if (and (file-exists-p pathname)
	   (eq (car (file-attributes pathname)) t))
      (setq backup-directory pathname)
    (setq backup-directory nil)))

;; These next two functions take a single file name (not a path). They
;; may be changed independently of the other functions, but must
;; remain coherent with each other.
;;
(defun make-backup-file-name (filename)
  (concat filename backup-name-suffix))

(defun backup-file-name-p (filename)
  (string-match (concat backup-name-suffix "$") filename))

(defun find-backup-file-name (filename)
  (setq filename (expand-file-name filename))
  ;; extract file name and path
  (string-match "\\(.*/\\)?\\([^/]*$\\)" filename)
  (let ((backup-path
	 (match-string 1 filename))
	(backup-file-name
	 (make-backup-file-name (match-string 2 filename))))
    (list 
     (if backup-directory
	 ;; change all '/'s in local path to '#'s and all '#'s to '_'s
	 ;; in filename before appending to backup-directory variable.
	 (progn
	   (while (string-match "\\(#\\)" backup-file-name)
	     (aset backup-file-name (match-beginning 1) ?=))
	   (while (string-match "\\(/\\)" backup-path)
	     (aset backup-path (match-beginning 1) ?#))
	   (concat backup-directory backup-path backup-file-name))
       ;; else default to old behavior of saving in local directory.
       (concat backup-path backup-file-name)))))

(defun file-newest-backup (filename)
  (if (file-exists-p (find-backup-file-name filename))
      (find-backup-file-name filename)
    nil))

(provide 'backup)

;;; backup.el ends here
;;	-- 
;;	
;;	Jonathan R. Birge                          phone: (408) 656-2629
;;	                                           e-mail: birge@ece.nps.navy.mil



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>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com> writes:

>>>>> On 06 Sep 1996 21:43:33 -0700, Martin Buchholz said:
>> Unfortunately, other apps don't know about this rebinding.
>> Sun's sparc key mappings are simply baroque and broke.

>> I recommend that Sun users do a magic xmodmap remap of their keyboard.
>> Here's my perl script to do this:

Justin> Where does this script go? (something like .xinitrc?)

Heavily dependent on your windowing system.  I have a call to the
script in $HOME/.dtprofile and $HOME/.vueprofile.  Maybe you want yours
in $HOME/.xinitrc or perhaps $HOME/.openwin-init .

-- 
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When making reports of this kind, please include the output from
configure that looks like:

Configured for `i486-unknown-linux2.0.0'.

  Where should the build process find the source code?    /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14
  What installation prefix should install use?            /usr/local
  What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use?
        `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h'
  What compiler should XEmacs be built with?              gcc -O4
  Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc?            yes
  Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes
  What window system should XEmacs use?                   x11
  Where do we find X Windows header files?                /usr/X11R6/include
  Where do we find X Windows libraries?                   /usr/X11R6/lib
  Compiling in support for XAUTH.
  Compiling in support for XPM.
  Compiling in support for X-Face headers.
  Compiling in support for GIF image conversion.
  Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion.
  Compiling in support for PNG image conversion.
  Compiling in native sound support.
  Compiling in support for Berkeley DB.
  Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
  Using the Lucid menubar.
  Using the Lucid scrollbar.
  Using the Athena dialog boxes.

>>>>> "jeff" == jeff  <Jeff@I_RATUS.org> writes:

jeff> I have already compiled and installed xemacs-19.13 but wanted
jeff> some of the features that are in v 19.14. The long and short of
jeff> it is after doing ./configure

jeff> per the INSTALL doc, make in the top directory the process stops cold
jeff> with the following messages:
jeff> /usr/src/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib -g -O database.c
jeff> database.c 35: ndblm.h: no such file or directory

>From the information you give, it looks like a corrupted database.c,
as line 35 of database.c is:

#ifdef HAVE_DATABASE
#include <database.h>         /* Our include file     */
#ifdef HAVE_BERKELEY_DB
#include <db.h>                       /* Berkeley db access   */
#endif
#ifdef HAVE_DBM
#include <ndbm.h>               <=========== The real line 35
#endif

You probably have a misinstalled ndbm.  Try

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From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
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[Richard Pieri]

|   But I do think that the neatness/coolness factor (as if pseudo-machines
|   are something new) has convinced a lot of people that it is the right
|   tool for every job.  Nothing could be further from reality, and sooner
|   or later it will hit a Jersey Barrier at 80mph.  Maybe it will survive
|   the crash, and maybe not; only time will tell.

I wonder when computer science and computerdom in general will mature to
the point where (1) neatness/coolness is no longer the primary factor in
choice of language or tools, (2) yet another language for a small number of
actual improvements over other languages will be considered the liability
it is, instead of an improvement on anything.  let's find a language that
has a sufficiently _programmable_ syntax that new features can be added
without having to write new compilers, parsers, management tools, etc, that
all work with specialized languages.

after having been programming in a frighteningly large number of languages
over the past 18 years or so, I have come to believe very strongly that if
the compiler and I have to use different tools to read and parse the files
I'm creating, we won't have any serious progress in automated program
development, which is what most of the "new" languages are attempting to
address in various ways by offering new constructs that basically only
automate what could already have be done manually.  in my view, a program
is just another data structure that it should be possible to read and write
using standard functions _in_ the language.  by extension, user functions
that can parse and generate code at compile time (i.e., macros in Lisp)
instead of the string-replacement macro system in C would be very welcome.

we're all used to programmable tools when programming.  the time should
have been ripe for programmable programming languages long ago.  why do we
instead create not-particularly-novel languages, hype them as "new" and the
next great thing, want every tool we have on stock rewritten to use it, and
have lots of people (non-programmers, obviously) believe that we have found
the new BEOL/ENDOL language, when every programmer knows that another one
arrives on the scene every few years, and this last one is surely no more
"The Final Language" than any of its predecessors?  why do we programmers,
not realize that we're not taking this programming task seriously and make
the our computers _more_ programmable instead of more arduous to program?

is it all a question of job security, cashing in on fads, and such nonsense?

#\Erik
-- 
those who do not know Lisp are doomed to reimplement it

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Patch for 19.14 compile.el to fix next-error.
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Mike Bresnahan wrote:

Here's a context diff of the fixed compile.el and the 
original compile.el shipped with XEmacs 19.14.  The only 
difference is the addition of a '\"' to the IRIX 5.2 
regular expressions to make sure they don't match quoted 
file names.

You're on your own in applying this patch.  I'm not very 
familar with patch(1) and I haven't actually tried to use 
it with this diff file.  I suggest making the change 
manually.  Its pretty simple.

MikeB

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*** compile.el	Sat Sep  7 11:44:22 1996
--- compile.el.orig	Fri Sep  6 19:20:38 1996
***************
*** 192,201 ****
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \n,\"]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
!     (": \\([^ \n,\"]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
  
      ;; Cray C compiler error messages
      ("\n\\(cc\\| cft\\)-[0-9]+ c\\(c\\|f77\\): ERROR \\([^,\n]+, \\)* File = \\([^,\n]+\\), Line = \\([0-9]+\\)" 4 5)
--- 192,201 ----
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
!     (": \\([^ \n,]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
  
      ;; Cray C compiler error messages
      ("\n\\(cc\\| cft\\)-[0-9]+ c\\(c\\|f77\\): ERROR \\([^,\n]+, \\)* File = \\([^,\n]+\\), Line = \\([0-9]+\\)" 4 5)

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Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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The following relates to using SPARCworks with XEmacs for C++
development.

Has anybody bound the debugging buttons to keys?

Is there an easy way to do this so that the keystrokes only apply to
debugging mode?

Is there a FAQ file or does anybody have any useful tip for using
XEmacs for debugging?

Thanks.

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de> writes:

> Is there a package available for editing csh- and tcsh-scripts, i.e. a
> csh-/tcsh-mode?

Somebody needs to work on porting shell-script.el from GNU Emacs.  It had a
couple of problems last I used it (around 19.28), but it handled all the
different shells really well.

Failing that, there is (or was) a csh-mode and a csh2-mode on the Ohio State
Elisp Archive at:

    /anonymous@archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

but it doesn't have the hooks for fontifying.

-- 
==================================================================
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

> Hi all.  I am a lisp newbie.  emacs 19.3x used to be able to
> delete-previous-word by pressing ALT-BS on my linux X11 box.  How can I add
> this to my .emacs file to do this with xemacs 19.14?  Currently it seems to
> start to mark a block or something similiar.

Its backward-kill-word in XEmacs and its on ALT-DELETE.

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From: Mark Nester <mnester@btg.com>
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Im running Solaris 2.4; the man page for dbx lists a "-editor" option
The man page claims that this option will use xemacs to display the
source.  Sounds good, but I cant get it to work. Has anyon had any
success with this.

I just checked the dbx man page on a SGI system and it made no mention
of a -editor option.

TIA, Mark

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mark Nester
mnester@btg.com                                            www.btg.com

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Hi,

I have the following problem:

When I am editing a file with xemacs, if I modify it outside of xemacs (for
example 'touch filename'), and if I keep on editing after, xemacs doesn't
warn me about the change of the filename until I want to save, which is
quite annoying.

NB: emacs warned me as soon as I started to modify it again.

Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks in advance

Yan
-- 

http://www-stud.enst.fr/~pujante/yan.html | pujante@afsmail.cern.ch

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				Zazie

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From: shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il
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Hi all,
I'd like to use the w3 package to create a cache copy of my favorite links.
I have a home page with my links, and I want w3 to follow those links
periodically, and update the cache copy if there was a change. When I
view those sites, I want to see only the cache copies, and don't want to link
to the source.

Can w3 do that?
If not, has anyone written some code to do so?
If not, can anyone guide me in writing such a code (I'll be more then happy to
post it later)?

-- 
Regards,

	Shlomo Mahlab

Oren Semiconductor Ltd.			Tel: 972-4-9894565
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Hi all.  Using xemacs 19.14, somehow my C font hilighting got screwed up.
Now some of the keywords (int/void/struct/long) at MintCreme, and I think
they used to be black.

MintCreme is hard to see, so I changed it to another color.  Afterwards I
chose 'Save Options' but it doesn't seem to save.  It does change the
color of the keywords that I want while I am editing, but as soon as I go
back into emacs, the color is MintCreme again.

I hope someone can help, and that its not in the FAQ, because I still
don't understand.

Thanks much,
Dave Wreski

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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Dave Wreski wrote:
> 
> I hope someone can help, and that its not in the FAQ, because I still
> don't understand.

Hi again.  I found my mistake.  I borrowed someone's (awefull) .emacs that
has the colors defined in there, and I didn't know it.  Its kinda
deceiving that I can change it it with the pull-down menus, and then lose
the changes.  I guess my .emacs (well, really x-files.el) got parsed after
.xemacs-options did.

Anyway, does anyone that uses the colorizing for C editing have some nifty
color patterns that they would like to share?  My are simply aweful.

Thanks,
Dave
 


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In article <32362CEF.3D78@btg.com> Mark Nester <mnester@btg.com> writes:

   Im running Solaris 2.4; the man page for dbx lists a "-editor" option
   The man page claims that this option will use xemacs to display the
   source.  Sounds good, but I cant get it to work. Has anyon had any
   success with this.

   I just checked the dbx man page on a SGI system and it made no mention
   of a -editor option.


To use XEmacs with dbx or debugger :
	- You need a sparcworks and tooltalk aware version of XEmacs. the
	sparkworks code might be loadable after dump, but tooltalk need to be
	compiled in.
	- you must start the debugger from the Sparcworks menu of XEmacs.
	- I'm using it everyday, under Solaris 2.5. it works fine, but
	still need some improvements.
	- As far as I know, the curent versions of Sparcworks include an
	XEmacs binary.
	- I use XEmacs 19.14.

Hope this helps.

Michel.
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Please add me to the xemacs mailinglist.
Thanks.

  Frank Hoffmann


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Hi Folks,

I'm looking for material that can help me to prepare a presentation on
XEmacs here in Ornet.

Any hints where can I find material on it? 
(Other material than the XEmacs/Lisp Manuals and GNU Emacs books).

TIA.

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In article <w8s3f0qwbcm.fsf@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>,
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>> (require 'nntp)
>> (setq nntp-open-server-function 'nntp-open-rtelnet)
>> (nnoo-define 'nntp-open-server-function nil)
>
>The `nnoo-define' thing is probably not a good idea.

Umm.. without it, the setting of nntp-open-server-function kept
getting overridden by the default value...

>> As far as I can tell, this does create a buffer and attach a telnet
>> process to it. But emacs appears to hang just as the sentinel is
>> attached.
>
>What does the " *nntpd*" buffer contain when this function hangs?

---- *nntpd*
MODE READER

200 armltd.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready (posting ok).
QUIT

205
Connection closed by foreign host.

Process nntpd exited abnormally with code 1
---- *nntpd*

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From: (Nelson Cheong)
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Subject: Re: Find $50,000!
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:17:29 GMT
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> 

> Taking 5 minutes to read what follows could be one of the best

> decisions you have ever made.

> 

> READ THIS!!!!

> I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me

> I could make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

> 

> I thought it was a huge joke. I spoke to my attorney, friends and family

> about it, and they all agreed it was some kind of scam. I

> can't stand scams, because usually someone gets burned, and I didn't

> want it to be me. After rejecting the idea at first, I realized all I

> had to lose was the $5 in my wallet, and not much else. So, needing

> more than just $5, I figured what the heck, and gave it a shot.

> 

> Two weeks later, I began recieving money in the mail!  I could not

> believe it! Soon, hundreds, and then thousands of dollars began to

> roll in. Within 4 weeks, I had recieved a total of $32,445! It came

> from everywhere in the world.

> 

> If you follow the three steps below, there is no reason why the same

> shouldn't happen to you! This is a legitimate investment opportunity.

> You invest $5, and you recieve a return on your investment. So does

> the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY

> LEGITIMATE.

> 

> If you are not interested, then don't participate, but please print

> this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested, so they

> can take advantage.

> 

> The procedure is simple:

> 1) Write your name and address of 5 sheets of paper.  Below that,

> write the words, "Please add me to your mailing list." Fold $1 note in

> each

> piece of paper and mail them to the

> following 5 addresses.:

> 

> 

> 1. Michael Boykins

> 813 E. Bloomingdale Ave, Apt#137

> Brandon, FL 33511 USA

> 

> 2. Joao Lima

> Rua da Gandra, 26 - 1 Esq. Frente

> 4445 Ermesinde, Portugal

> 

> 3. Tim Cassedy-Blum

>  8012 Westover Road

>  Bethesda, MD 20814 USA

> 

> 4. Stephanie Newsome

> 3037 Crystal Springs #914

> Beyford, TX 76021

> 

> 5. Nelson Cheong

> Blk 916, #10-71, Tampines St 91

> Singapore 520916

>

> 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four

> names up. In other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name as

> the fifth one on the list. You can do this by simply retyping the

> article or reposting it to other newsgroups with the

> edited addresses.

> 

> 3) Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are 17,000, so

> it shouldn't be hard to find that many.

> 

> You are now in the mail order investment business, and should start

> seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more newsgroups

> you post to, the greater your return will be. If you wish to remain

> anonymous, you may use a psuedonym, but make sure your address is

> correct.

> 

> Now, here is why the system works:

> 

> Of every 200 posts I made, I recieved 5 responses. Yes, only 5. You

> make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

> 

> Each person who sent you $1 now also makes 200 additional postings

> with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50

> people will send you $1 with your name at #4. $50.

> 

> Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or

> 10,000 postings. Average return 500 people= $500. They make 200

> postings each with your name at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1

> each=$5000.

> 

> Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you

> get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THATS

> IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total income in one

> cycle=$55,000.

> 

> From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you

> take the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups, and send out

> another $5, and put your name at #5, and start posting again.

> Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the

> greater the return.

> 

> Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND 5 STAMPS,

> AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $5 for such an effortless

> investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS.

> 

> Some people have said to me, "what happens if the scheme is played out

> and no one sends me any money?" Big Deal, so you lose $5-but what are

> the chances of that happening??

> 

> There are millions of internet users, and millions of new net surfers

> every month.

> 

> Remember- read the instructions carefully, and play fairly. Thats the

> only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this

> article easily.

> 

> Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep

> an eye on the postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You

> know where your name should be.

> 

> REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.

> WHAT ARE 5 DOLLARS TO YOU ?

> YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THIS IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!!!

> 

> This is the easiest way that you can make a buck.  Think how excited

> you'll be to open up your mailbox day after day!  Will it be $49?

> $122?  Start making your plans, because it can happen to you.




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Just a pyramid by any other name.  PLEASE keep your postings related dire=
ctly
to XEmacs.  This is an abuse of Usenet and the Internet.  Is it just me, =
or are
these postings annoying anybody else?

Joel.

On Sep 11,  1:17pm, Nelson Cheong wrote:
> Subject: Re: Find $50,000!
> >
>
> > Taking 5 minutes to read what follows could be one of the best
>
> > decisions you have ever made.
>
> >
>
> > READ THIS!!!!
>
> > I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me
>
> > I could make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.
>
> >
>
> > I thought it was a huge joke. I spoke to my attorney, friends and fam=
ily
>
> > about it, and they all agreed it was some kind of scam. I
>
> > can't stand scams, because usually someone gets burned, and I didn't
>
> > want it to be me. After rejecting the idea at first, I realized all I=

>
> > had to lose was the $5 in my wallet, and not much else. So, needing
>
> > more than just $5, I figured what the heck, and gave it a shot.
>
> >
>
> > Two weeks later, I began recieving money in the mail!  I could not
>
> > believe it! Soon, hundreds, and then thousands of dollars began to
>
> > roll in. Within 4 weeks, I had recieved a total of $32,445! It came
>
> > from everywhere in the world.
>
> >
>
> > If you follow the three steps below, there is no reason why the same
>
> > shouldn't happen to you! This is a legitimate investment opportunity.=

>
> > You invest $5, and you recieve a return on your investment. So does
>
> > the next investor. NOT ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY
>
> > LEGITIMATE.
>
> >
>
> > If you are not interested, then don't participate, but please print
>
> > this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested, so they=

>
> > can take advantage.
>
> >
>
> > The procedure is simple:
>
> > 1) Write your name and address of 5 sheets of paper.  Below that,
>
> > write the words, "Please add me to your mailing list." Fold $1 note i=
n
>
> > each
>
> > piece of paper and mail them to the
>
> > following 5 addresses.:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 1. Michael Boykins
>
> > 813 E. Bloomingdale Ave, Apt#137
>
> > Brandon, FL 33511 USA
>
> >
>
> > 2. Joao Lima
>
> > Rua da Gandra, 26 - 1=BA Esq. Frente
>
> > 4445 Ermesinde, Portugal
>
> >
>
> > 3. Tim Cassedy-Blum
>
> >  8012 Westover Road
>
> >  Bethesda, MD 20814 USA
>
> >
>
> > 4. Stephanie Newsome
>
> > 3037 Crystal Springs #914
>
> > Beyford, TX 76021
>
> >
>
> > 5. Nelson Cheong
>
> > Blk 916, #10-71, Tampines St 91
>
> > Singapore 520916
>
> >
>
> > 2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
>
> > names up. In other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name as
>
> > the fifth one on the list. You can do this by simply retyping the
>
> > article or reposting it to other newsgroups with the
>
> > edited addresses.
>
> >
>
> > 3) Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are 17,000, so
>
> > it shouldn't be hard to find that many.
>
> >
>
> > You are now in the mail order investment business, and should start
>
> > seeing returns within a week or two. Of course, the more newsgroups
>
> > you post to, the greater your return will be. If you wish to remain
>
> > anonymous, you may use a psuedonym, but make sure your address is
>
> > correct.
>
> >
>
> > Now, here is why the system works:
>
> >
>
> > Of every 200 posts I made, I recieved 5 responses. Yes, only 5. You
>
> > make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.
>
> >
>
> > Each person who sent you $1 now also makes 200 additional postings
>
> > with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50
>
> > people will send you $1 with your name at #4. $50.
>
> >
>
> > Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
>
> > 10,000 postings. Average return 500 people=3D $500. They make 200
>
> > postings each with your name at #2=3D100,000 postings=3D5000 return a=
t $1
>
> > each=3D$5000.
>
> >
>
> > Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you
>
> > get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. AND THAT=
S
>
> > IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total income in one
>
> > cycle=3D$55,000.
>
> >
>
> > From time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you
>
> > take the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups, and send out
>
> > another $5, and put your name at #5, and start posting again.
>
> > Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the
>
> > greater the return.
>
> >
>
> > Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND 5 STAMPS=
,
>
> > AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $5 for such an effortless
>
> > investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS.
>
> >
>
> > Some people have said to me, "what happens if the scheme is played ou=
t
>
> > and no one sends me any money?" Big Deal, so you lose $5-but what are=

>
> > the chances of that happening??
>
> >
>
> > There are millions of internet users, and millions of new net surfers=

>
> > every month.
>
> >
>
> > Remember- read the instructions carefully, and play fairly. Thats the=

>
> > only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this=

>
> > article easily.
>
> >
>
> > Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep
>
> > an eye on the postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You
>
> > know where your name should be.
>
> >
>
> > REMEMBER-HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
>
> > WHAT ARE 5 DOLLARS TO YOU ?
>
> > YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THIS IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!!!
>
> >
>
> > This is the easiest way that you can make a buck.  Think how excited
>
> > you'll be to open up your mailbox day after day!  Will it be $49?
>
> > $122?  Start making your plans, because it can happen to you.
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Nelson Cheong



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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on ector.cs.purdue.edu

Hello, I just converted to XEmacs 19.14 from GNU Emacs 19.32

I use a white background with font-lock-mode. As soon as I used
ange-ftp the whole screen went bonkers ..

The background became black. All text appeared in white
.. whatever used to be in a different colour font (like the
modeline, comments in code etc) was also in white .. only thing
was it had a face-background colour like red, green, violet or
blue. Totally crazy. It's really pretty irritating .. and I'm
lost without ange-ftp. I'm quite surprised that ange-ftp is so
broken in XEmacs .. especially when I read so much about superior
support for it in XEmacs. Anyway, overall I really do prefer
XEmacs. I don't  know what more info you need for this, but
please let me know and I'll respond promptly .. It will be quite
a pain to roll back to FSF Emacs now. 

Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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Subject: line numbering
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Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line
numbers along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the
number of the line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this
was possible with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(

thanks,
Please respond via e-mail as I am not a regular reader/subscriber to
this group

	Thanks again,
-- 
Gary Ebert
Mobile Datacom Corporation
22300 Comsat Drive, Clarksburg, MD 20871
Phone: 301-428-2115 Fax: 301-428-1004

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme

I keep getting coredumps when running on our SGI R10000 with Irix
6.2. This happens in both TTY and X11 mode at the same
place. Following is dump with dbx when starting just xemacs.

(dbx) run
Process 27203 (xemacs-19.14) started
Process 27203 (xemacs-19.14) stopped on signal SIGSEGV: Segmentation violation (handler fatal_error_signal) at [fflush:410 ,0xfa3f318]
         Source (of flush.c) not available for Process 27203
(dbx) where
>  0 fflush(0xfb43d54, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["flush.c":410, 0xfa3f318]
   1 reset_one_device(0xfb43d54, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["sysdep.c":1938, 0x53d600]
   2 delete_device_internal(0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x1, 0x0) ["device.c":737, 0x46581c]
   3 delete_console_internal(0x10129500, 0x0, 0x1, 0x0) ["console.c":697, 0x45a824]
   4 delete_device_internal(0x1013ac00, 0x0, 0x1, 0x0) ["device.c":731, 0x4657f8]
   5 Fdelete_device(0x30054294, 0x1010a004, 0x1, 0x0) ["device.c":845, 0x465c34]
   6 primitive_funcall(0x465b8c, 0x1013ac00, 0x7fff21ec, 0x0) ["eval.c":3486, 0x47c764]
   7 funcall_subr(0xfb43d54, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["eval.c":3526, 0x47ca38]
   8 funcall_recording_as(0x1011ea2c, 0x1, 0x7fff2268, 0x0) ["eval.c":3204, 0x47bb8c]
   9 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["eval.c":3253, 0x47bd64]
   10 Fbyte_code(0x30053820, 0x40053864, 0x1, 0x0) ["bytecode.c":450, 0x44f658]
   11 funcall_lambda(0x100538ac, 0x0, 0x7fff2484, 0x0) ["eval.c":3636, 0x47d028]
   12 funcall_recording_as(0x1017bd8c, 0x0, 0x7fff2480, 0x0) ["eval.c":3210, 0x47bbf0]
   13 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["eval.c":3253, 0x47bd64]
   14 Fbyte_code(0x300985a4, 0x40098618, 0x0, 0x0) ["bytecode.c":450, 0x44f658]
   15 funcall_lambda(0x100986dc, 0x0, 0x7fff2694, 0x0) ["eval.c":3636, 0x47d028]
   16 funcall_recording_as(0x101bda14, 0x0, 0x7fff2690, 0x0) ["eval.c":3210, 0x47bbf0]
   17 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["eval.c":3253, 0x47bd64]
   18 Fbyte_code(0x300980b8, 0x40098108, 0x0, 0x0) ["bytecode.c":450, 0x44f658]
   19 funcall_lambda(0x10098238, 0x0, 0x7fff27d8, 0x0) ["eval.c":3636, 0x47d028]
   20 apply_lambda(0x10098238, 0x0, 0x1010a004, 0x0) ["eval.c":3559, 0x47cba0]
   21 Feval(0x20186364, 0x1013ac00, 0x10028db0, 0x0) ["eval.c":3068, 0x47b5d8]
   22 condition_case_1(0x1010a064, 0x47ad8c, 0x20186364, 0x457098) ["eval.c":1672, 0x478564]
   23 top_level_1(0x1010a004, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["cmdloop.c":194, 0x457190]
   24 internal_catch(0x1011cda4, 0x457148, 0x1010a004, 0x0) ["eval.c":1347, 0x477f7c]
   25 initial_command_loop(0xfb43d54, 0x1013ac00, 0x1, 0x0) ["cmdloop.c":253, 0x457364]
   26 main_1(0x1, 0x7fff2f44, 0x7fff2f4c, 0x0) ["emacs.c":1317, 0x474584]
   27 main(0xfb43d54, 0x7fff2f44, 0x7fff2f4c, 0x1) ["emacs.c":1461, 0x474aa8]
   28 __istart() ["crt1tinit.s":13, 0x43d3d0]

This is the hardware that I use.

Processor 0: 196 MHZ IP25 
Processor 1: 196 MHZ IP25 
Processor 2: 196 MHZ IP25 
Processor 3: 196 MHZ IP25 
Processor 4: 194 MHZ IP25 
Processor 5: 194 MHZ IP25 
Processor 6: 194 MHZ IP25 
Processor 7: 194 MHZ IP25 
FPU: MIPS R10010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 0.0
CPU: MIPS R10000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.5
Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte
Data cache size: 32 Kbytes
Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes
Main memory size: 512 Mbytes, 4-way interleaved
I/O board, Ebus slot 11: IO4 revision 1
Integral EPC serial ports: 4
ASO 6-port Serial board 0: revision 2.1.26, Ebus slot 11, IO Adapter 6
Iris Audio Processor: version A2 revision 1.1.0
Graphics board: InfiniteReality
Integral Ethernet controller: et0, Ebus slot 11
EPC external interrupts
Integral SCSI controller 1: Version WD33C95A, differential, revision 0
  Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 1
  Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 1
  Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 1
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C95A, single ended, revision 0
  CDROM: unit 5 on SCSI controller 0
  Jukebox: unit 4, lun 1 on SCSI controller 0
  Tape drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 0: DAT
Integral SCSI controller 4: Version SCIP/WD33C95A, differential
  Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 4
  Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 4
  Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 4
Integral SCSI controller 3: Version SCIP/WD33C95A, differential
  Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 3
  Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 3
  Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 3
Integral SCSI controller 2: Version SCIP/WD33C95A, differential
  Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 2
  Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 2
  Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 2
CC synchronization join counter
Integral EPC parallel port: Ebus slot 11
VME bus: adapter 0 mapped to adapter 45
VME bus: adapter 45

Rob
-- 
Rob Kooper
kooper@merl.com
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/student/Rob.Kooper/

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: help please: gnus/nntp and SOCKS firewall
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Steven Haslam <shaslam@armltd.co.uk> wrote in article =
<513gok$au@sis.armltd.co.uk>...
> I'm trying to use gnus with two news servers: one inside our company
> firewall, one outside. I intend to use nntp to access these hosts. I
> have "Gnus v5.3; nntp 4.0".
>=20
> To get outside the firewall, we use the SOCKS4 protocol, and have
> socksified versions of telnet, ftp... called rtelnet, rftp...
.co.uk
>=20
  Would it not be just easier to build xemacs with socks?

  configure --with-socks=3Dyes

 Make sure that you are using a sock4 socks server?

 If you are using the current version (V5), then there are some changes
 to the sockisfy routines



--=20
Kermit Tensmeyer       NEC InterNet Operations Centre (INOC)
kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com              Dallas, Texas



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I get tired of remembering to type C-c C-f C-r to get a "reply-to" line 
in VM.

How can I automatically get "reply-to" to be inserted in the header 
of a VM mail message?



    ...Mike Roesler  miker@lamrc.com


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I would like to display the debugger program on a different display.

For some reason, adding
-display otherhost:0
to the program args of the start-process call does not work:
 (start-process "*eos debugger*" nil "debugger" " -display justinpc:0 -editor")
[above line from eos::start-debugger procedure]        

Does anybody know how to get the debugger to show up on another host?

Thanks.

-- 
Justin Gordon                  Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com          San Francisco, CA 94123 

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	I cannot save or write files with XEmacs 19.14, on both DEC Alpha
OSF 3.2 and Sun Sparc SunOs 4.1.3. This works smoothly on both computers
with XEmacs 19.13. When I try to do this under 19.14, I get a 
"Wrong number of arguments: ..." error message". What gives? 
Thanks in advance. :-)




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Is there a way (X resource ?) to tell xemacs to install
its own private colormap

  xemacs 19.14
  HPUX

Thanks
Sabuson George

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(X)Emacs provides the nice feature to autoload keymaps:

	(autoload 'xa-cmd "xa" nil nil 'keymap)
	(define-key ctl-x-map [(multi_key)] 'xa-cmd)

	;;;file xa.el:
	(defvar xa-map (make-keymap))
	(define-function 'xa-cmd xa-map)
	(define-key xa-map "f" 'find-file)


But at least in XEmacs-19.14, the following makes this feature pretty
useless:

If I use the menu, or functions such as `where-is-internal', file xa
gets loaded.

Is there any possibility to prevent this?  I already tried:

	(put 'xa-cmd 'suppress-keymap t)

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam) writes:

> >What does the " *nntpd*" buffer contain when this function hangs?
> 
> ---- *nntpd*
> MODE READER
> 
> 200 armltd.co.uk InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready (posting ok).
> QUIT
> 
> 205
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> Process nntpd exited abnormally with code 1
> ---- *nntpd*

It looks like your "rtelnet" is echoing things locally.  This'll make
Gnus confused.  If you use telnet-like things to communicate with the
nntp servers, you have to escape and then send "mode character\n" to
the telnet process.  See the function `nntp-open-telnet' in the Gnus
5.2/5.3 distribution for the gory details.  (It's more complicated
than your function'll have to be, though, since it does *two*
telnets.) 

-- 
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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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What do mean by "touching" the .el files before recompiling?

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From: David Paschich <dpassage@polk.bigbook.com>
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kooper@merl.com (Rob Kooper) writes:

> 
> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme
> 
> I keep getting coredumps when running on our SGI R10000 with Irix
> 6.2. This happens in both TTY and X11 mode at the same
> place. Following is dump with dbx when starting just xemacs.

Because of how Xemacs does its dumping, an Xemacs built under Irix 5.3
will not run under 6.2 and vice versa.

Fix is just to rebuild (just relink and dump, really) under 6.2


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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Wreski <tel1dvw@is.ups.com> writes:

Dave> Hi all.  Using xemacs 19.14, somehow my C font hilighting got screwed up.
Dave> Now some of the keywords (int/void/struct/long) at MintCreme, and I think
Dave> they used to be black.

Dave> MintCreme is hard to see, so I changed it to another color.  Afterwards I
Dave> chose 'Save Options' but it doesn't seem to save.  It does change the
Dave> color of the keywords that I want while I am editing, but as soon as I go
Dave> back into emacs, the color is MintCreme again.

One reason this might happen is a lisp error in your .emacs file.
Try `xemacs -debug-init' and see if you get a backtrace while loading .emacs.

-- 
Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com>
XEmacs Developer, Sunsoft Developer Products, Sun Microsystems Inc.
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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Ebert <gary@www.rdss.com> writes:

Gary; Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line
Gary; numbers along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the
Gary; number of the line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this
Gary; was possible with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(

Yes. Kyle Jones' setnu.el.

(require 'setnu)
(setnu-mode)

-------------------------- cut&paste ------------------------------

;;; vi-style line number mode for Emacs
;;; (requires Emacs 19.29 or XEmacs 19.11 or 19.12)
;;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995 Kyle E. Jones
;;;
;;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;; any later version.
;;;
;;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;; A copy of the GNU General Public License can be obtained from this
;;; program's author (send electronic mail to kyle@uunet.uu.net) or from
;;; the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA
;;; 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; Send bug reports to kyle@wonderworks.com
;;
;; M-x setnu-mode toggles the line number mode on and off.
;;
;; turn-on-setnu-mode is useful for adding to a major-mode hook
;; variable.
;; Example:
;;     (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-setnu-mode)
;; to automatically turn on line numbering when enterting text-mode."

(provide 'setnu)

(add-hook 'before-change-functions 'setnu-before-change-function)
(add-hook 'after-change-functions 'setnu-after-change-function)

(defconst setnu-mode-version "1.03"
  "Version number for this release of setnu-mode.")

(defvar setnu-mode nil
  "Non-nil if setnu-mode is active in the current buffer.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'setnu-mode)

(defvar setnu-start-extent nil
  "First extent of a chain of extents used by setnu-mode.
Each line has its own extent.  Each line extent has a
`setnu-next-extent' property that points to the next extent in
the chain, which is the extent for the next line in the buffer.
There is also a `setnu-prev-extent' that points at the previous
extent in the chain.  To distinguish them from other extents the
setnu-mode extents all have a non-nil `setnu' property.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'setnu-start-extent)

(defvar setnu-glyph-obarray (make-vector 401 0)
  "Obarray of symbols whose values are line number glyphs.
Each symbol name is the string represnetation of a number, perhaps
passed with spaces.  THe value of the symbol is a glyph that can
be made the begin glyph of an extent to display as a line number.")

(defvar setnu-begin-glyph-property (if (fboundp 'extent-property)
				       'begin-glyph
				     'before-string)
  "Property name to use to set teh begin glyph of an extent.")

(defvar setnu-line-number-format "%3d  "
  "String suitable for `format' that will generate a line number string.
`format' will be called with this string and one other argument
which will be an integer, the line number.")

(defvar setnu-line-number-face 'bold
  "*Face used to display the line numbers.
Currently this works for XEmacs 19.12 only.")

(defun setnu-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle setnu-mode.
With prefix argument, turn setnu-mode on if argument is positive.
When setnu-mode is enabled, a line number will appear at the left
margin of each line."
  (interactive "P")
  (let ((oldmode (not (not setnu-mode)))
	(inhibit-quit t))
    (setq setnu-mode (or (and arg (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
			 (and (null arg) (null setnu-mode))))
    (if (not (eq oldmode setnu-mode))
	(if setnu-mode
	    (setnu-mode-on)
	  (setnu-mode-off)))))

(defun turn-on-setnu-mode ()
  "Turn on setnu-mode.
Useful for adding to a major-mode hook variable.
Example:
    (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-setnu-mode)
to automatically turn on line numbering when enterting text-mode."
  (setnu-mode 1))

;;; Internal functions

;;; The program is written using XEmacs terminology,
;;; e.g. extents, glyphs, etc.  Functions are defined to twist
;;; the FSF Emacs overlay API into the XEmacs model.

(if (fboundp 'make-overlay)
    (fset 'setnu-make-extent 'make-overlay)
  (fset 'setnu-make-extent 'make-extent))

(if (fboundp 'delete-overlay)
    (fset 'setnu-delete-extent 'delete-overlay)
  (fset 'setnu-delete-extent 'delete-extent))

(if (fboundp 'overlay-get)
    (fset 'setnu-extent-property 'overlay-get)
  (fset 'setnu-extent-property 'extent-property))

(if (fboundp 'overlay-put)
    (fset 'setnu-set-extent-property 'overlay-put)
  (fset 'setnu-set-extent-property 'set-extent-property))

(if (fboundp 'move-overlay)
    (fset 'setnu-set-extent-endpoints 'move-overlay)
  (fset 'setnu-set-extent-endpoints 'set-extent-endpoints))

(if (fboundp 'overlay-end)
    (fset 'setnu-extent-end-position 'overlay-end)
  (fset 'setnu-extent-end-position 'extent-end-position))

(if (fboundp 'overlay-start)
    (fset 'setnu-extent-start-position 'overlay-start)
  (fset 'setnu-extent-start-position 'extent-start-position))

(if (fboundp 'extent-length)
    (fset 'setnu-extent-length 'extent-length)
  (defun setnu-extent-length (e) (- (overlay-end e) (overlay-start e))))

(defun setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph (e g)
  (setnu-set-extent-property e setnu-begin-glyph-property g))

(fset 'setnu-make-glyph (if (fboundp 'make-glyph) 'make-glyph 'identity))

(cond ((fboundp 'make-overlay)
       (defun setnu-set-glyph-face (g face)
	 (put-text-property 0 (length g) 'face face g)))
      ((fboundp 'set-glyph-face)
       (fset 'setnu-set-glyph-face 'set-glyph-face))
      (t
       (fset 'setnu-set-glyph-face 'ignore)))

(defun setnu-mode-off ()
  "Internal shutdown of setnu-mode.
Deletes the extents associated with setnu-mode."
  (if setnu-start-extent
      (let (e ee)
	(setq e setnu-start-extent)
	(while e
	  (setq ee e)
	  (setq e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
	  (setnu-delete-extent ee))
	(setq setnu-start-extent nil))))

(defun setnu-mode-on ()
  "Internal startup of setnu-mode.
Sets up the extents associated with setnu-mode."
  (let ((done nil)
	(curr-e nil)
	(n 1)
	(match-data (match-data))
	e start numstr)
    (unwind-protect
	(save-excursion
	  (save-restriction
	    (widen)
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (setq start (point))
	    (while (not done)
	      (setq done (null (search-forward "\n" nil 0)))
	      (setq e (setnu-make-setnu-extent start (point)))
	      (if (null setnu-start-extent)
		  (setq setnu-start-extent e
			curr-e e)
		(setnu-set-extent-property curr-e 'setnu-next-extent e)
		(setnu-set-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent curr-e)
		(setq curr-e e))
	      (setq numstr (format setnu-line-number-format n))
	      (setnu-set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	      (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph e (setnu-number-glyph numstr))
	      (setq n (1+ n)
		    start (point)))))
      (store-match-data match-data))))

(defun setnu-before-change-function (start end)
  "Before change function for setnu-mode.
Notices when a delete is about to delete some lines and adjusts
the line number extents accordingly."
  (if (or (not setnu-mode) (= start end))
      () ;; not in setnu-mode or this is an insertion
    (let ((inhibit-quit t)
	  (start-e nil)
	  (match-data (match-data))
	  end-e saved-next e ee)
      (unwind-protect
	  (save-excursion
	    (save-restriction
	      (widen)
	      (goto-char start)
	      (if (search-forward "\n" end t)
		  (progn
		    (setq start-e (setnu-extent-at-create start nil)
			  saved-next (setnu-extent-property
				      start-e
				      'setnu-next-extent))
		    (setq end-e (setnu-extent-at-create end nil))
		    (setnu-set-extent-endpoints
		     start-e
		     (setnu-extent-start-position start-e)
		     (setnu-extent-end-position end-e))
		    (setnu-set-extent-property
		     start-e 'setnu-next-extent
		     (setnu-extent-property end-e 'setnu-next-extent))))
	      (if start-e
		  (progn
		    (setq e (setnu-extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent)
			  ee saved-next)
		    (while (and e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
		      (setq e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    ee (setnu-extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent)))
		    (while (and e (not (eq ee start-e)))
		      (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph
		       e (setnu-extent-property ee setnu-begin-glyph-property))
		      (setnu-set-extent-property
		       e 'line-number (setnu-extent-property ee 'line-number))
		      (setq e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent)
			    ee (setnu-extent-property ee 'setnu-prev-extent)))
		    (setq end-e (setnu-extent-property start-e
						       'setnu-next-extent))
		    (and end-e
			 (setnu-set-extent-property end-e
						    'setnu-prev-extent
						    start-e))
		    (setq e saved-next)
		    (while (not (eq e end-e))
		      (setq ee e
			    e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
		      (setnu-delete-extent ee))))))
	(store-match-data match-data)))))

(defun setnu-after-change-function (start end length)
  "After change function for setnu-mode.
Notices when an insert has added some lines and adjusts
the line number extents accordingly."
  (if (or (not setnu-mode) (= start end))
      () ; not in setnu-mode or this is a deletion
    (let ((inhibit-quit t)
	  (ee nil)
	  (match-data (match-data))
	  (new-lines 0)
	  start-e e saved-end saved-next n numstr)
      (unwind-protect
	  (save-excursion
	    (save-restriction
	      (widen)
	      (setq start-e (setnu-extent-at-create start nil))
	      (if (< (setnu-extent-end-position start-e) (point))
		  ;; bogus!  insertion didn't put the text into
		  ;; the extent because,
		  ;; a. the extent was zero length or
		  ;; b. this is FSF Emacs which means chars
		  ;;    inserted at the end position of an extent
		  ;;    are not inserted into the extent.
		  (setnu-set-extent-endpoints
		   start-e
		   (setnu-extent-start-position start-e)
		   end))
	      (setq saved-next (setnu-extent-property start-e
						      'setnu-next-extent)
		    saved-end (setnu-extent-end-position start-e)
		    e start-e)
	      (goto-char start)
	      (while (search-forward "\n" end 0)
		(setnu-set-extent-endpoints e
					    (setnu-extent-start-position e)
					    (point))
		(setq ee (setnu-make-setnu-extent (point) (point)))
		(setnu-set-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent ee)
		(setnu-set-extent-property ee 'setnu-prev-extent e)
		(setq e ee new-lines (1+ new-lines)))
	      (if ee
		  (progn
		    (setnu-set-extent-endpoints
		     e (setnu-extent-start-position e) saved-end)
		    (setnu-set-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent saved-next)
		    (and saved-next
			 (setnu-set-extent-property
			  saved-next 'setnu-prev-extent e))
		    (setq e (setnu-extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent)
			  ee saved-next)
		    (while ee
		      (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph
		       e (setnu-extent-property ee setnu-begin-glyph-property))
		      (setnu-set-extent-property
		       e 'line-number (setnu-extent-property ee 'line-number))
		      (setq e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    ee (setnu-extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent)))
		    (setq n (1+ (string-to-int
				 (setnu-extent-property
				  (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent)
				  'line-number))))
		    (while e
		      (setq numstr (format setnu-line-number-format n))
		      (setnu-set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
		      (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph
		       e (setnu-number-glyph numstr))
		      (setq e (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    n (1+ n)))))))
	(store-match-data match-data)))))

(defun setnu-number-glyph (number-string)
  (let ((sym (intern number-string setnu-glyph-obarray)))
    (if (boundp sym)
	(symbol-value sym)
      (let ((g (setnu-make-glyph number-string)))
	(set sym g)
	(setnu-set-glyph-face g setnu-line-number-face)
	g ))))

(defun setnu-make-setnu-extent (beg end)
  "Create an extent and set some properties that all setnu extents have."
  (let ((e (setnu-make-extent beg end)))
    (setnu-set-extent-property e 'setnu t)
    (and (fboundp 'set-extent-layout)
	 (set-extent-layout e 'outside-margin))
    (setnu-set-extent-property e 'detachable nil)
    (setnu-set-extent-property e 'evaporate nil)
    e ))

(if (fboundp 'overlays-at)
    (defun setnu-extent-at (pos buf)
      "Finds the setnu extent at the position POS in the buffer BUF."
      (catch 'done
	(save-excursion
	  (and buf (set-buffer buf))
	  (let ((o-list (overlays-at pos)) o-lists)
	    ;; search what overlays-at return first.  for all but
	    ;; zero length extents this will return the extent we
	    ;; want.
	    (while o-list
	      (if (overlay-get (car o-list) 'setnu)
		  (throw 'done (car o-list)))
	      (setq o-list (cdr o-list)))
	    ;; no luck.  search all the extents.
	    ;; this conses a lot but there is no other way.
	    (setq o-lists (overlay-lists))
	    (setq o-list (car o-lists))
	    (while o-list
	      (if (and (overlay-get (car o-list) 'setnu)
		       (or (= pos (overlay-end (car o-list)))
			   (and (>= pos (overlay-start (car o-list)))
				(< pos (overlay-end (car o-list))))))
		  (throw 'done (car o-list)))
	      (setq o-list (cdr o-list)))
	    (setq o-list (cdr o-lists))
	    (while o-list
	      (if (and (overlay-get (car o-list) 'setnu)
		       (or (= pos (overlay-end (car o-list)))
			   (and (>= pos (overlay-start (car o-list)))
				(< pos (overlay-end (car o-list))))))
		  (throw 'done (car o-list)))
	      (setq o-list (cdr o-list)))
	    nil ))))
  (defun setnu-extent-at (pos buf)
    "Finds the setnu extent at the position POS in the buffer BUF."
    (map-extents (function (lambda (e maparg)
			     (if (setnu-extent-property e 'setnu)
				 e
			       nil)))
		 buf pos pos)))

(defun setnu-extent-at-create (pos buf)
  "Like `setnu-extent-at' except if an extent isn't found, then
it is created based on where the extent failed to be found."
  (let ((e (setnu-extent-at pos buf)) ee beg numstr)
    (if e
	e
      ;; no extent found so one must be created.
      (save-excursion
	(goto-char pos)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(setq e (setnu-extent-at (point) buf))
	(cond (e
	       ;; found one.  extend it to cover this whole line.
	       ;; this takes care of zero length extents that
	       ;; might exist at bob or eob that can't be
	       ;; inserted into.
	       (setq beg (point))
	       (forward-line 1)
	       (setnu-set-extent-endpoints e beg (point))
	       e )
	      ((bobp)
	       ;; we are at bob and there's no extent.
	       ;;
	       ;; this is because the extent that was there got
	       ;; detached because all the text in the buffer was
	       ;; deleted.  so we create a new extent and make it
	       ;; contain the whole buffer, since there can be no
	       ;; other attached extents.
	       (setq e (setnu-make-setnu-extent (point-min) (point-max))
		     numstr (format setnu-line-number-format 1))
	       (setnu-set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	       (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph e (setnu-number-glyph numstr))
	       (setq setnu-start-extent e)
	       e )
	      (t
	       ;; we must be at eob and there's no extent.
	       ;; 
	       ;; this is because the extent that was there
	       ;; shrank to zero length and was detached.  create
	       ;; a new extent that contains all text from point
	       ;; to pos.
	       (setq e (setnu-make-setnu-extent (point) pos))
	       (setq ee (setnu-extent-at (1- (point)) buf))
	       (setnu-set-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent ee)
	       (setnu-set-extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent e)
	       (setq numstr
		     (format setnu-line-number-format
			     (1+ (string-to-int
				  (setnu-extent-property ee 'line-number)))))
	       (setnu-set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	       (setnu-set-extent-begin-glyph e (setnu-number-glyph numstr))
	       e ))))))

-------------------------- cut&paste ------------------------------

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
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From: Rosinger <rosinger@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au>
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Subject: Can't run xemacs-19.14 on linux
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Hi there,

I try to run xemacs-19.14 on linux.

I have both the arch-independent and the arch-dependent files.

When I run it, it says:
"Can't resolve symbol _h_error" segmentation fault.

Any one has an idea what that might be?

Cheers
Shuky

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From: jjchoi@cherry.postech.ac.kr (Jung-Ju Choi)
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In article <vzsp8o4ym7.fsf@harvard.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Michael Roesler <miker@lamrc.com> writes:

> I get tired of remembering to type C-c C-f C-r to get a "reply-to" line 
> in VM.
> 
> How can I automatically get "reply-to" to be inserted in the header 
> of a VM mail message?

There are two different possibilities, I think.
1. In your .emacs file
(setq mail-default-reply-to "you@your.host.name")

2. In your .cshrc file (if you use csh)
setenv REPLYTO "you@your.host.name"

They work for me.
Hope it helpful.
-- 
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Hi all!

I have a small problem with (x)emacs 19.34:
  it does not display characters from NLS font.
  It seems to like a vi editor: I see only character-specific code.
  
I have no such problem with (x)emacs 19.11.

Help someone!

Thank all awards


Best regards,

Andrey A. Aristarkhov,
Software department,
Fintel, Moscow.


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From: cox@gcm.com (Christopher Cox)
Subject: xemacs-sw - oobr problem
Message-ID: <1996Sep11.141816.19209@gcm.com>
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Hi, 

I'm using the OO browser facility in the xemacs-sw
editor, to browse C++ code. I'm having a bit of a problem
when I try to use several different OOBR environments. 
If I build an environment from a set of include & src 
directories, it works fine - when I select 'features'
on a class, I see all the member functions in the class 
and all its ancestor classes. However, if I then 
use C-c C-l to load in another OOBR environment (which I've
previously created), and then do C-c C-r to display the 
classes in this new environment, trying to choose 'features'
on a class simply shows me the ancestor classes, but NOT any
of the member functions in any of the classes. This is 
driving me mad, as I have 2 fairly large environments which I 
want to switch between, and the only fix I have found is to 
use C-c C-e to rebuild the environment - this takes ages.

Any ideas why I don't see the member functions at all when I 
do 'features'?

thanks for your help (could you please respond by e-mail), 

-Chris

e-mail: cox@gcm.com


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Ed King <kinge@oklahoma.net> writes:

> What do mean by "touching" the .el files before recompiling?

touch *.el


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "hall" == hall  <hall@grumpy.nl.nuwc.navy.mil> writes:

hall> 	I cannot save or write files with XEmacs 19.14, on both DEC
hall> Alpha OSF 3.2 and Sun Sparc SunOs 4.1.3. This works smoothly on
hall> both computers with XEmacs 19.13. When I try to do this under
hall> 19.14, I get a "Wrong number of arguments: ..." error
hall> message". What gives?  Thanks in advance. :-)

Please select Options -> General Options -> Debug on Error from the
menubar, repeat the operation, and post the lisp backtrace you get.
Also, examine the XEmacs FAQ part II for further information on how to
trouble shoot problems of this nature.
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html

It sounds like you have a bad hook and possibly some bad lisp lurking,
but it is impossible to tell where that might be without more
information.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Re: Find $50,000!
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>>>> Thus spake 'Joel Shapiro (joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU)':

 JS> Just a pyramid by any other name. PLEASE keep your postings related
 JS> directly to XEmacs. This is an abuse of Usenet and the Internet.

So was your quoting of the *ENTIRE* spam back to the newsgroup... It's not like
they really read comp.emacs.xemacs to get responses to their brain-dead post.

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From: Bill Karh <karh@netcom.com>
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Subject: Hyperbole Outline mode complains in XEmacs 19.14
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Hey All,

  Like the subject sez.  These keystrokes, C-h h o e, gave the the
  following in the message log.  This happens under Solaris 2.5.1
  sparc/x86.

File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument consp nil)
Loading kfile...done
Loading simple...done
Loading simple...
Loading fill...done
Loading fill...
Loading kprop-xe...done
Loading kprop-xe...
Loading kfile...
Note: file is write protected
Loading hsite...done
Hyperbole is ready for action.
Loading hui-window...done
Loading hui-window...
Loading hmouse-sh...done
Loading hmouse-sh...
Initializing Hyperbole, please wait...
Loading hsite...

  Any help appreciated...

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From: Sudhakar Frederick <sfrederi@asc.corp.mot.com>
Subject: HELP: stopping gnuserv from opening new frame
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Hi,

I run gnuserv-start from my .emacs and then use "gnuclient -q <file>" to
open files in an already running xemacs.
Is there a way of stopping gnuserv from opening a new frame for ech
gnuclient open?? I would like gnuserv to load the file in the existing
frame. I've set gnuserv-frame to "emacs" but that doesn't work.

Can anybody help??

Thanks
-- freddy
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From: axime <axime@ipf.de>
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Hi !

My xemacs 19.14 just cored in vm: I had visited two buffers and quitted
the first one, when xemacs cored (I'm using the pre-compiled binary).
The gdb output looks like this:
gdb /usr/local/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs-19.14 c>
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.16 (powerpc-ibm-aix3.2.5), 
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols
found)...
Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 6, IOT/Abort trap.
#0  0x10001e48 in fatal_error_signal ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x10001e48 in fatal_error_signal ()
#1  0xffffffff in ?? () from (unknown load module)
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x100574f0 in raise ()
#4  0x100769e8 in abort ()
#5  0x10325e1c in display_menu_item ()
#6  0x10325a58 in display_menu ()
#7  0x10328fc4 in XlwMenuRedisplay ()
#8  0x10098d00 in SendExposureEvent ()
#9  0x10098a40 in CompressExposures ()
#10 0x10098538 in DispatchEvent ()
#11 0x10099404 in DecideToDispatch ()

Most important: After restarting xemacs, vm does not work anymore, when
I do M-x vm  nothing, absolutely nothing happens. 
My INBOX is still there and there is nothing in
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/lock/, 

HELP PLEEEZE !!! $\ldots$ !!!!

Uwe  (uwe@axime-is.fr, or axime@ipf.de )

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Under XEmacs 19.14
I'm trying to disable the variable "Indent Data" for HTML-mode but i just
can't figure out how to do it. Can anybody help me ?

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Hi Joel,


Thanks for reporting this spam. Appropriate action has been taken against
the user concerned. (I've received tons of complaints, so it's not just
you...)

thank you,

Lorna
SingNet Postmaster





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I try 
      (require 'hilit19)
in my .emacs for xemacs-19.14 and get 
       Args out of range: 12, 32, 127

Any hints?

Cheers,
Ulf

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I have quit using VM because it seg faults when it makes windows. 
XEmacs 19.14 seems to work fine everywhere but while using VM, which I
really miss.

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Doing C-c C-c to start a nonstop LaTex run on a tex file
gives me:

  Running `LaTeX' on `pro' with ``latex '\nonstopmode\input{pro.tex}'''
  This is TeX, Version 3.1415 (C version 6.1)
  LaTeX2e <1996/06/01>
  Hyphenation patterns for english, german, loaded.

  ! Undefined control sequence.
  <*> \nonstopmode\inputpro
                         .tex

  ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.

  See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
  Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
   ...                                              
                                                  
  <*> \nonstopmode\inputpro.
                          tex
  Missing character: There is no . in font nullfont!
  Missing character: There is no t in font nullfont!
  Missing character: There is no e in font nullfont!
  Missing character: There is no x in font nullfont!
  ! Emergency stop.
  <*> \nonstopmode\inputpro.tex
                             
  No pages of output.
  Transcript written on texput.log.

  LaTeX exited abnormally with code 1 at Fri Sep 13 12:00:04

The respective line in TeX-command-list reads as follows
	(list "LaTeX" "%l '\\nonstopmode\\input{%t}'"
	      'TeX-run-LaTeX nil t)

Obviously the curly braces did'nt make it to the latex command line.
I tryed several quotings and escapes -- e.g. \{ -- on the braces
but to no succes.

Any help appreciated

Cheers,
Ulf


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I am using Xemacs 19.11.
My problem is:
Every time I move the cursor with the mousepointer to a new position,
the mousepointer moves away from this position to another line in the
text.

Is this a bug?
Can it be avoided?
Sorry I have no manual!

Thanks,
Christian.

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characterp returns t for any integer, and insert deals with this by
taking mod 256 of the integer to get the character to insert.
format's %c control, however, complains if the character is > 255.  In
emacs 19.34 format does the same as insert, which I think is a less
wrong thing to do, so I think that XEmacs should do this too.

(The *right* thing to do is a character type of course).

--tim

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'Solved the problem:

In TeX-command-list replacing the curly braces with spaces does the job.

Sorry for wasting bandwidth,
Ulf


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    Hi,  [CC directly too is you can]

    I'm currently slowly updating my modules to work with XEmacs too
    and now the current problem is the call read-event that is used in
    Emacs to read single events "as is", ie. mouse input, keys etc.

    Could someone familiar to XEmacs lisp tell what functions I can
    use to read the event and convert the event into char code if
    it was character press.

    In Emacs I would do 

	(setq event (read-event))    ;; press "a"
	(event-to-character event)
	--> 97			     ;; key code for "a" 

	(setq event (read-event))    ;; press ESC
	--> 'escape		     ;; return X symbol
	(event-to-character event)
	--> nil

    Thank you.
    /jari

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From: niquil@cli23aa.der.edf.fr (Yves NIQUIL)
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Hi there,

When I use gdb under xemacs (19.13), 
the ^C^C, i.e. gdb-control-c-subjob, which should interrupt the C
process by sending a control-C, does not work. Even if I try M-x
gdb-control-c-subjob, still no effect...

How can I do ?

Thank you for answering by mail !

	Yves.


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From: dron@fintel.msk.su (Andrey A. Aristarkhov)
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Hi,

There is a new (corrected) version of idl-mode for
(x)emacs 19.11 in the attachment.

Version 2.0 of idl-mode and patches to font-lock 
will be avalable for emacs 19.34 in a week or so.

Enjoy!


Best regards,

Andrey A. Aristarkhov,
Software department,
Fintel, Moscow.
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;;; idl-mode.el --- major mode for editing IDL code
;;; (changed cc-mode.el)

;; Authors: 1992 Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us>
;;          1987 Dave Detlefs and Stewart Clamen
;;          1985 Richard M. Stallman
;; Maintainer: cc-mode-help@anthem.nlm.nih.gov
;; Created: a long, long, time ago. adapted from the original c-mode.el
;; Version:         4.85
;; Last Modified:   1994/09/08 14:27:45
;; Keywords: C++ C Objective-C editing major-mode

;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Barry A. Warsaw
;; Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------
;; Changed for idl-mode by Andrey A. Aristarkhov, Fintel, Moscow
;; E-mail:        dron@fintel.msk.su
;; Version:       1.01
;; Last Modified: 09/13/1996
;; Known bugs: TAB does not work. (fixed)
;;
;; Fixed bugs: 
;;        1. 'T' character (capital 'T') is know typable
;;           [bug report from John Koper <jrk@tsci.com>, September 1996]
;;        2. 'TAB' works now
;; vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
(require 'font-lock)
(require 'cc-mode)
(provide 'idl-mode)


(defvar idl-mode-hook nil
  "*Hook called by `idl-mode'.")

(defvar idl-mode-common-hook nil
  "*Hook called by `idl-mode' during common init.")

(defvar idl-mode-menu
  '(["Comment Out Region"     comment-region (mark)]
    ["Macro Expand Region"    c-macro-expand (mark)]
    ["Backslashify"           c-backslash-region (mark)]
    ["Indent Expression"      c-indent-exp
     (memq (following-char) '(?\( ?\[ ?\{))]
    ["Indent Line"            c-indent-command t]
    ["Fill Comment Paragraph" c-fill-paragraph t]
    ["Up Conditional"         c-up-conditional t]
    ["Backward Conditional"   c-backward-conditional t]
    ["Forward Conditional"    c-forward-conditional t]
    ["Backward Statement"     c-beginning-of-statement t]
    ["Forward Statement"      c-end-of-statement t]
    ["Mark function"          c-mark-function t]
    ["Indent region"          indent-region t]
    )
  "XEmacs 19 (formerly Lucid) menu for IDL modes.")

(defvar idl-mode-abbrev-table nil
  "Abbrev table in use in idl-mode buffers.")
(define-abbrev-table 'idl-mode-abbrev-table ())

(defun idl-mode-fsf-menu (name map)
  ;; Add FSF menu to a keymap.  FSF menus suck.  Don't add them for
  ;; XEmacs. This feature test will fail on other than FSF's Emacs 19.
  (condition-case nil
      (progn
	(define-key map [menu-bar] (make-sparse-keymap))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c] (cons name (make-sparse-keymap)))

	(define-key map [menu-bar c comment-region]
	  '("Comment Out Region" . comment-region))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c c-macro-expand]
	  '("Macro Expand Region" . c-macro-expand))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c c-backslash-region]
	  '("Backslashify" . c-backslash-region))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indent-exp]
	  '("Indent Expression" . c-indent-exp))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indent-line]
	  '("Indent Line" . c-indent-command))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c fill]
	  '("Fill Comment Paragraph" . c-fill-paragraph))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c up]
	  '("Up Conditional" . c-up-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c backward]
	  '("Backward Conditional" . c-backward-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c forward]
	  '("Forward Conditional" . c-forward-conditional))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c backward-stmt]
	  '("Backward Statement" . c-beginning-of-statement))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c forward-stmt]
	  '("Forward Statement" . c-end-of-statement))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c markfunc]
	  '("Mark function" . c-mark-function))
	(define-key map [menu-bar c indreg]
	  '("Indent regiion" . indent-region))

	;; RMS: mouse-3 should not select this menu.  mouse-3's global
	;; definition is useful in C mode and we should not interfere
	;; with that.  The menu is mainly for beginners, and for them,
	;; the menubar requires less memory than a special click.
	t)
    (error nil)))

(defvar idl-mode-syntax-table nil
  "Syntax table used in idl-mode buffers.")
(if idl-mode-syntax-table
    ()
  (setq idl-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table))
  (c-populate-syntax-table idl-mode-syntax-table)
  ;; add extra comment syntax
  (cond
   ((memq '8-bit c-emacs-features)
    ;; XEmacs (formerly Lucid) has the best implementation
    (modify-syntax-entry ?/  ". 1456" idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?*  ". 23"   idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table)
    ;; Give CR the same syntax as newline, for selective-display
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\^m "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table))
   ((memq '1-bit c-emacs-features)
    ;; FSF Emacs 19 does things differently, but we can work with it
    (modify-syntax-entry ?/  ". 124b" idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?*  ". 23"   idl-mode-syntax-table)
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table)
    ;; Give CR the same syntax as newline, for selective-display
    (modify-syntax-entry ?\^m "> b"    idl-mode-syntax-table))
   )
  ;; TBD: does it make sense for colon to be symbol class in C++?
  ;; I'm not so sure, since c-label-key is busted on lines like:
  ;; Foo::bar( i );
  ;; maybe c-label-key should be fixed instead of commenting this out,
  ;; but it also bothers me that this only seems appropriate for C++
  ;; and not C.
  ;;(modify-syntax-entry ?: "_" c++-mode-syntax-table)
  )

(defvar idl-mode-map ()
  "Keymap used in idl-mode buffers.")

(if idl-mode-map
    ()
  ;; In Emacs 19, it makes more sense to inherit c-mode-map
  (if (memq 'v19 c-emacs-features)
      ;; XEmacs (formerly Lucid) and FSF Emacs 19 do this differently
      (if (not (fboundp 'set-keymap-parent))
	  (setq idl-mode-map (cons 'keymap c-mode-map))
	(setq idl-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap))
	(set-keymap-parent idl-mode-map c-mode-map))
    ;; Do it the hard way for Emacs 18 -- given by JWZ
    (setq idl-mode-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) c-mode-map)))
  ;; add binding which fix TAB-bug for idl-mode buffers
  (define-key idl-mode-map '(tab)   'c-indent-command)
  ;; add bindings which are only useful for IDL
  (define-key idl-mode-map "\C-i:"  'c-scope-operator)
  ;; FSF Emacs 19 defines menus in the mode map. This call will return
  ;; t on FSF Emacs 19, otherwise no-op and return nil.
  (c-mode-fsf-menu "IDL" idl-mode-map))

(defun idl-mode ()
  "Major mode for editing IDL code.
idl-mode Revision: 1.01

The hook variable `idl-mode-hook' is run with no args, if that
variable is bound and has a non-nil value.

Key bindings:
\\{IDL-mode-map}"
  (interactive)
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (set-syntax-table idl-mode-syntax-table)
  (setq major-mode 'idl-mode
	mode-name "IDL"
	local-abbrev-table idl-mode-abbrev-table
	;; should be set before c-common-init call
	c-recognize-knr-p nil)
  (use-local-map idl-mode-map)
  (c-common-init)
  (setq comment-start "// "
	comment-end ""
	c-conditional-key c-C++-conditional-key
	c-comment-start-regexp "//\\|/\\*"
	c-class-key c-C++-class-key
	c-access-key c-C++-access-key)
  (run-hooks 'idl-mode-hook))

;; menus for XEmacs (formerly Lucid)
(defun idl-popup-menu (e)
  "Pops up the IDL menu."
  (interactive "@e")
  (popup-menu (cons (concat mode-name " Mode Commands") idl-mode-menu))
  (c-keep-region-active))

(provide 'idl-mode)
;;; idl-mode.el ends here


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Philippe.Gaudin@eurocontrol.be (Philippe Gaudin) writes:

>>"Kenneth" =3D=3D Kenneth W Lee <kenlee@congo.morgan.com> writes:
>> and every time I start an emacs session, the window
>> stalls for about 30 seconds and "garbage collecting...done"
>> continually blinks on the bottom of the screen.  This has never 
>> happened before, but occurs with every emacs startup now.
>> Does anyone know from what buffers the "garbage" is collected
>> and does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>I had this behaviour because my .xemacs-options file (produced by
>Options -> Save optons) contained a lot of face definitions. This was
>du to the fact that I did a Save options when a lot of faces were
>curently defined.

Would anyone know how to revert to the default settings for
"Options"?  (The session actually hangs for about 1 minute)

--
Ken
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From: hashem+@pitt.edu (Serene Taleb-Agha)
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In article <514713$amj@unix.sri.com>, Ric Steinberger <ric@isl.sri.com> wrote:
>How can I change the color used for perl keywords in Xemacs 19.14.
>They are now in sort of a pukish hard-to-see mustard color.
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions of pointers to docs.

Select the Edit Faces command from the Options menu. It will display
the different faces (fonts) associated with each syntax element. An
Edit Faces menu item will be displayed allowing you to edit the faces.
After finishing, make sure you select Save Options from the Options
menu.

Enjoy,

Serene


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Subject: Re: elisp: is the Emacs read-event call in XEmacs?
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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
>     Hi,  [CC directly too is you can]
>     Could someone familiar to XEmacs lisp tell what functions I can
>     use to read the event and convert the event into char code if
>     it was character press.
> 
>     In Emacs I would do 
> 
> 	(setq event (read-event))    ;; press "a"
> 	(event-to-character event)
> 	--> 97			     ;; key code for "a" 

(setq event (next-command-event))
(event-to-character event)
--> 97

It works in a similar fashion. Look up the docs for next-event and

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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Tell <tell@cs.unc.edu> writes:
> Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
Hrvoje> set-mark-command is even better, e.g.:
Hrvoje> 
Hrvoje> (global-set-key [(control ?2)]
Hrvoje> '(lambda (arg) (interactive "P") (set-mark-command arg)))
Stephen> How does this differ in practice from simply:
Stephen> (global-set-key [(control ?2)] 'set-mark-command)

In this case it doesn't. But it is a good way if you have to bind
non-interative commands to keys (say two or three of them) and do not
want to clutter .emacs with another defun.

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When I execute a perl script with the -d option I get a message that
says "Emacs support available" does anyone know what this means and how
do I use it.

Could you please directo all responces to my email address (and the
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Hi,
   when using Xemacs 19.13 running on an Alpha under UNIX,
the following problem occurs:

In FORTRAN Flock mode, Xemacs always indents to the position
of the previous line, ignoring any IF, DO, WHILE etc. envi-
ronments. The corresponding variables like fortran-if-indent
are properly set, and everything works fine with other lan-
guages like C. Also, the indenting is done as expected when 
using normal Emacs with the same init file.

Does anybody know a solution (it's not in the FAQ)?

Thanks, Klaus.

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I've been using GNU emacs for a number of years and am interested in
trying out xemacs, but my .emacs file doesn't seem
compatible. Consequently, I'm looking for some sample 'starter' files.

Thanks.

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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Karh <karh@netcom.com> writes:

>   Like the subject sez.  These keystrokes, C-h h o e, gave the the following
>   in the message log.  This happens under Solaris 2.5.1 sparc/x86.

I think I've found this problem, but I think there are more lurking in
Hyperbole and Koutline.  Basically, the definition of the modeline changed
between 19.13 and 19.14 to include extents for colorization.  Koutline tried
to be a "good citizen" in its use of modeline by doing 'memq against the
various modeline variables, but the extents broke this.

Try this in your .emacs to see if it gets you running:

(defun my/kvspec-load ()
  "Quick function to update kvspec:update_modeline"
  (defun kvspec:update-modeline ()
    "Setup or update display of the current kview spec in the modeline."
    (if (stringp kvspec:current)
	(setq kvspec:string (format kvspec:string-format kvspec:current)))
    (if (memq 'kvspec:string mode-line-format)
	nil
      (setq mode-line-format (copy-sequence mode-line-format))
      (let ((elt (or (memq 'mode-line-buffer-identification mode-line-format)
		     (memq 'modeline-buffer-identification modeline-format)
		     (memq (rassoc 'modeline-buffer-identification
				   modeline-format) modeline-format)
		     )))
	(setcdr elt (cons 'kvspec:string (cdr elt))))))
  )

(setq after-load-alist (append '(("kvspec" (my/kvspec-load)))
			       after-load-alist))

After I get my system at home setup, I'll probably try to get with Bob about
updating Hyperbole for XEmacs 19.14.

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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Anderson <jander@lehman.com> writes:

Jim> I've been using GNU emacs for a number of years and am interested in
Jim> trying out xemacs, but my .emacs file doesn't seem
Jim> compatible. Consequently, I'm looking for some sample 'starter' files.

Check out menu entry Help->Sample .emacs

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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk> writes:

Tim> characterp returns t for any integer, and insert deals with this by
Tim> taking mod 256 of the integer to get the character to insert.
Tim> format's %c control, however, complains if the character is > 255.  In
Tim> emacs 19.34 format does the same as insert, which I think is a less
Tim> wrong thing to do, so I think that XEmacs should do this too.

Tim> (The *right* thing to do is a character type of course).

Correct.  In 20.0 XEmacs characterp will return nil for any integer.
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <ssjaaa@uta.fi> writes:

Jari>     Hi,  [CC directly too is you can]

Jari>     I'm currently slowly updating my modules to work with XEmacs too
Jari>     and now the current problem is the call read-event that is used in
Jari>     Emacs to read single events "as is", ie. mouse input, keys etc.

Jari>     Could someone familiar to XEmacs lisp tell what functions I can
Jari>     use to read the event and convert the event into char code if
Jari>     it was character press.

Try doing something like is done in f90.el:

    (if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
        (progn
          (setq e (next-command-event))
          (setq c (event-to-character e)))
      (setq c (read-event)))

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>>>>> "Olivier" == Olivier Bonneville <bonneville@grolier.fr> writes:

Olivier> Under XEmacs 19.14 I'm trying to disable the variable "Indent
Olivier> Data" for HTML-mode but i just can't figure out how to do
Olivier> it. Can anybody help me ?

(setq sgml-indent-data nil)
(setq-default sgml-indent-data nil)

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Subject: Put X resource names into info

In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep  1 1995 on morgon (hpux) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

I'm looking for the names of resources I can set in
~/.Xdefaults, for such things as default font.  I've hunted
about a bit without success.  The closest I've come is the info
page "XEmacs under X," which has this paragraph:

	   For values specific to the first XEmacs frame, you
	must use X resources.  The variable `x-frame-defaults'
	takes an alist of default frame creation parameters for
	X window frames.  These override what is specified in
	`~/.Xdefaults' but are overridden by the arguments to
	the particular call to `x-create-frame'.

This would be a good spot to list the resources that can be so
set.  Or, if that list already exists somewhere else, a (*See
...) here would be good.


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Oscar Figueiredo wrote:
> Well I won't say the following is the "correct" way to do it, especially
> because the font-lock regexp built in this way is not particularly efficient (I
> really need to fix that), but it is simple to use (you just need to add your
> types to mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types) and since I don't have very large C
> files I don't see too much difference.

That's perfect!  Speed is an issue on larger files (I've noticed 
a small slowdown) but isn't too bad.

Thanks, I appreciate your efforts.

Scott Nelson

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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Andy Norman wrote:

I put the following lines in my ~/.emacs and the gnuserv server doen't 
work (it exits):

  (require 'gnuserv)
  (gnuserv-start)

The work around I found is to start the 'xemacs' server before the 
'gnuserv' one:

  (require 'server)
  (server-start)

  (require 'gnuserv)
  (gnuserv-start)

What's wrong with the firts approach ???

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
 (setting dired-after-readin-hook to sort by size)

Rick> Steve, Could you say exactly how to use this feature. I wanted
Rick> to sort by size as well, and it now works. But now it doesn't
Rick> toggle. I press 's' and it resorts by size, I press 's' again
Rick> and nothing further happens. I used toggle between name and
Rick> date.

The dired 's' command toggles between different options passed to
/bin/ls, and are totally overridden by the kind of postprocessing in
lisp done by setting dired-after-readin-hook, as you have observed.

O.K.  How about this function bound to M-s for example?

(define-key dired-mode-map [(meta s)] 'rb-dired-toggle-sort-on-size)
(defun rb-dired-toggle-sort-on-size (&optional arg)
  "Toggle sorting by size in dired."
  (interactive "P")
  (if (null (member 'dired-sort-on-size dired-after-readin-hook))
      (add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook 'dired-sort-on-size)
    (remove-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook 'dired-sort-on-size))
  (dired-sort-set-modeline)
  (revert-buffer))

When you have sorting by size enabled, the "s" key will not work.
However, just hit M-s, and it will.
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Harrison <p.harrison@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk> writes:

Paul> Is it possible to set the maximum line length in xemacs to say
Paul> 75 characters?  Upon reaching this xemacs would insert a
Paul> carriage return and move the current incomplete word down to the
Paul> next line.

Not exactly, but an equivalent effect can be obtained from
auto-fill-mode and filladapt -- the carriage return is inserted when
you type a space at the end of a too long line.

(setq-default fill-column 75)
(require 'filladapt)

Then, enable auto-fill whereever you want.  I like it enabled by
default only when composing internet messages, so I have:

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

You might also consider using
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
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>>>>> "Sudhakar" == Sudhakar Frederick <sfrederi@asc.corp.mot.com> writes:

Sudhakar> I run gnuserv-start from my .emacs and then use "gnuclient
Sudhakar> -q <file>" to open files in an already running xemacs.  Is
Sudhakar> there a way of stopping gnuserv from opening a new frame for
Sudhakar> ech gnuclient open??

Yes.

Sudhakar> I would like gnuserv to load the file
Sudhakar> in the existing frame. I've set gnuserv-frame to "emacs" but
Sudhakar> that doesn't work.

Sudhakar> Can anybody help??

You're doing:
(setq gnuserv-frame "emacs")
right?

That won't work.  You must have a frame object there.

Try something like:
(setq gnuserv-frame (car (frame-list)))
instead, and I think things will work a little better.
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>>>>> "Klaus" == Klaus Fiedler <fiedlerk@hermes.desy.de> writes:

Klaus> Hi,
Klaus>    when using Xemacs 19.13 running on an Alpha under UNIX,
Klaus> the following problem occurs:

Klaus> In FORTRAN Flock mode, Xemacs always indents to the position
Klaus> of the previous line, ignoring any IF, DO, WHILE etc. envi-
Klaus> ronments. The corresponding variables like fortran-if-indent
Klaus> are properly set, and everything works fine with other lan-
Klaus> guages like C. Also, the indenting is done as expected when 
Klaus> using normal Emacs with the same init file.

Klaus> Does anybody know a solution (it's not in the FAQ)?

Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14.  Especially if `normal Emacs' means GNU Emacs
19.30 or later.
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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray  <rjs@zilker.com> writes:

Ray> thanks
Ray> rjs

The menubar command `File => Pretty-Print Buffer ...' calls
ps-print-buffer.

Try `C-u M-x ps-print-buffer'.

;; Invoking Ps-Print
;;
;; To print your buffer, type
;;
;;        M-x ps-print-buffer
;;
;; or substitute one of the other seven ps-print- commands.  The
;; command will generate the PostScript image and print or spool it as
;; specified.  By giving the command a prefix argument
;;
;;        C-u M-x ps-print-buffer
;;
;; it will save the PostScript image to a file instead of sending it
;; to the printer; you will be prompted for the name of the file to
;; save the image to.  The prefix argument is ignored by the commands
;; that spool their images, but you may save the spooled images to a
;; file by giving a prefix argument to ps-despool:

Hope this helps.
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Gary Ebert (gary@duckboy.rdss.com) wrote:
: When I execute a perl script with the -d option I get a message that
: says "Emacs support available" does anyone know what this means and how
: do I use it.

It means that you are executing the Perl command interpreter in "debug
mode," where the UNIX variant(s) of Perl enable the user to do some nifty
stuff in a [primarily] UNIX editor called Emacs.

If you are using the NT or Windows/DOS version of Perl, this message is
slightly meaningless, and should read: "Notepad support available."  :)

If you take the -d flag out, and put in the -w flag (to show all warnings
in your Perl scripts), you won't see this message anymore.  :)

HTH

Nate
nvp@nfic.com

ps - There's a *fantastic* Frequently Asked Questions document available at
http://www.perl.com, and a number of other Perl (CPAN) sites.  It answers
MANY of the questions beginning Perl programmers have.


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Reuven M. Lerner (reuven@the-tech.mit.edu) wrote:
[...]
> 115: How do I bind keys (including function keys) to commands?
>         * XEmacs has a completely different syntax for binding keys; don't
>           follow these directions if you are using XEmacs.

AFAIK all of the above instructions work in XEmacs 19.14 (current
version of XEmacs). There is no need for this warning -- the users may
safely use all of the above expressions.

> 124: Why doesn't Emacs look at the stty settings for Backspace vs. Delete?
> 
>   Good question!

ROTFL!

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From: Ajay Kumar Gummadi <ajay@EESUN2.tamu.edu>
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Hi all,

 Could any of you please send me your customized copy of ps-print.el with
a list of changes to be made.

  I use the lp command and the name of the printer here is "ipszac".

  Thanks.


. . . . .

Ajay


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From: Adrian Aichner <aichner@ecf.teradyne.com>
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Markus Dickebohm wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I assume this is a little more general Emacs than XEmacs related, but
> anyway:
> 
>    is there a possibility to achieve the same behaviour in Emacs
>    as in vi, where it is possible to include any output from a
>    shell command with, say ":r! date". This inserts the actual
>    date in the text buffer. I know that I can do "M-x shell",
>    "date" and cut and paste, but this doesn't seem to be as

In XEmacs, use
C-u M-! to insert output of a `shell-command' at point.
C-u M-| to run a `shell-command-on-region' on the selected region.

Good Luck und Gutes Gelingen,

Adrian

>    elegant.
> 
> Any hint appreciated,
> Markus

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From: Bernd Johannes Wuebben <wuebben@math.cornell.edu>
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Hello
I am using Xemacs 19.13 under linux and used
to be able to press the "Alt" key on my pc key-board
to generat the meta-key. It doesn't work anymore, though
I can still use ESC. Is there a way to fix this. What might
have happened?

thanks in advance for your help. :)

regards, Bernd
wuebben@math.cornell.edu

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From: nunez@sol.helios.net (Steven Nunez)
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Does anyone know if W3 will ever support Java? Is there work on this
now? (and I suppose more appropiate, is there a w3 newsgroup or mail
list?) I hate having to fire up Netsape to view the applets that I'm
writing in xemacs.

	- Steve Nunez

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Gary Ebert (gary@duckboy.rdss.com) wrote:
> 
> Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line
> numbers along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the
> number of the line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this
> was possible with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(

AFAIK no emacs could do that, not even vi emulations within it (try
:set nu).

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thanks

rjs

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[Hrvoje Niksic]

|   Reuven M. Lerner (reuven@the-tech.mit.edu) wrote:
|   [...]
|   > 115: How do I bind keys (including function keys) to commands?
|   >         * XEmacs has a completely different syntax for binding keys; don't
|   >           follow these directions if you are using XEmacs.
|   
|   AFAIK all of the above instructions work in XEmacs 19.14 (current
|   version of XEmacs). There is no need for this warning -- the users may
|   safely use all of the above expressions.

even better, recent Emacs sources accept the XEmacs key syntax, except for
the abbreviated form with only a list.

#\Erik
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From: gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor)
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When XEmacs-19.14 is fired up with -nw option (no windows) a warning
window appears with "Warning: unable to connect to ToolTalk server."

I presume it still thinks that this is an xterm??  This is not
fatal but annoying - anyway to fix?

env: sol2.5, ss10, XEmacs-19.14, $TERM = vt100

Andy

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Anders Stenman wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions from XEmacs buffers to
> other CDE applications (for example, to drag calendar appointments from a
> VM window to the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement this
> feature?
> 
> /Anders

XEmacs 19.14 has a configuration option, --use-cde(?), that is
described as turning on some sort of support for CDE Drag and Drop.
I have not tried this, so I have no idea exactly what it provides. Try
building XEmacs and see what happens.

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>>>>> "Ajay" == Ajay Kumar Gummadi <ajay@ee.tamu.edu> writes:

Ajay> Hi all,

Ajay>  Could any of you please send me your customized copy of
Ajay> ps-print.el with a list of changes to be made.

Does ps-print work at all for you?  There's a bug in it in both GNU
Emacs 19.34 and XEmacs 19.14 that causes total failure with some
printers.

I posted a complementary patch to gnu.emacs.bug with the same fix if
you wish to fix Emacs 19.34 ps-print.

First, apply this patch:
*** ps-print.el-19.14	Sun Sep  8 16:49:53 1996
--- ps-print.el	Wed Sep 11 20:01:32 1996
***************
*** 1,8 ****
  ;;; ps-print.el --- Jim's Pretty-Good PostScript Generator for Emacs 19.
  
! ;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  
  ;; Author: Jim Thompson <thompson@wg2.waii.com>
  ;; Keywords: print, PostScript
  
  ;; This file is part of XEmacs.
--- 1,9 ----
  ;;; ps-print.el --- Jim's Pretty-Good PostScript Generator for Emacs 19.
  
! ;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  
  ;; Author: Jim Thompson <thompson@wg2.waii.com>
+ ;; Maintainer: duthen@cegelec-red.fr (Jacques Duthen Prestataire)
  ;; Keywords: print, PostScript
  
  ;; This file is part of XEmacs.
***************
*** 19,25 ****
  
  ;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  ;; along with XEmacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free
! ;; Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
  
  ;; LCD Archive Entry:
  ;; ps-print|James C. Thompson|thompson@wg2.waii.com|
--- 20,27 ----
  
  ;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  ;; along with XEmacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the Free
! ;; Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA
! ;; 02111-1307, USA.
  
  ;; LCD Archive Entry:
  ;; ps-print|James C. Thompson|thompson@wg2.waii.com|
***************
*** 31,37 ****
  ;; version number.  When reporting bugs, please also report the
  ;; version of Emacs, if any, that ps-print was distributed with.)
  
! ;;; Synched up with: FSF 19.30.
  
  ;;; Commentary:
  
--- 33,39 ----
  ;; version number.  When reporting bugs, please also report the
  ;; version of Emacs, if any, that ps-print was distributed with.)
  
! ;;; Synched up with: FSF 19.34.
  
  ;;; Commentary:
  
***************
*** 85,91 ****
  ;; printout than to find 50 single-page printouts).
  ;; 
  ;; Ps-print has a hook in the kill-emacs-hooks so that you won't
! ;; accidently quit from Emacs while you have unprinted PostScript
  ;; waiting in the spool buffer.  If you do attempt to exit with
  ;; spooled PostScript, you'll be asked if you want to print it, and if
  ;; you decline, you'll be asked to confirm the exit; this is modeled
--- 87,93 ----
  ;; printout than to find 50 single-page printouts).
  ;; 
  ;; Ps-print has a hook in the kill-emacs-hooks so that you won't
! ;; accidentally quit from Emacs while you have unprinted PostScript
  ;; waiting in the spool buffer.  If you do attempt to exit with
  ;; spooled PostScript, you'll be asked if you want to print it, and if
  ;; you decline, you'll be asked to confirm the exit; this is modeled
***************
*** 200,206 ****
  ;; Ps-print keeps internal lists of which fonts are bold and which are
  ;; italic; these lists are built the first time you invoke ps-print.
  ;; For the sake of efficiency, the lists are built only once; the same
! ;; lists are referred in later invokations of ps-print.
  ;;
  ;; Because these lists are built only once, it's possible for them to
  ;; get out of sync, if a face changes, or if new faces are added.  To
--- 202,208 ----
  ;; Ps-print keeps internal lists of which fonts are bold and which are
  ;; italic; these lists are built the first time you invoke ps-print.
  ;; For the sake of efficiency, the lists are built only once; the same
! ;; lists are referred in later invocations of ps-print.
  ;;
  ;; Because these lists are built only once, it's possible for them to
  ;; get out of sync, if a face changes, or if new faces are added.  To
***************
*** 257,263 ****
  ;; or variables.  Functions are called, and should return a string to
  ;; show in the header.  Variables should contain strings to display in
  ;; the header.  In either case, function or variable, the PostScript
! ;; strings delimeters are added by ps-print, and should not be part of
  ;; the returned value.
  ;;
  ;; Here's an example: say we want the left header to display the text
--- 259,265 ----
  ;; or variables.  Functions are called, and should return a string to
  ;; show in the header.  Variables should contain strings to display in
  ;; the header.  In either case, function or variable, the PostScript
! ;; string delimeters are added by ps-print, and should not be part of
  ;; the returned value.
  ;;
  ;; Here's an example: say we want the left header to display the text
***************
*** 304,332 ****
  ;; formats for; it should contain one of the symbols ps-letter,
  ;; ps-legal, or ps-a4.  The default is ps-letter.
  ;;
! ;; 
! ;; Installing ps-print
! ;; -------------------
! ;;
! ;; 1. Place ps-print.el somewhere in your load-path and byte-compile
! ;;    it.  You can ignore all byte-compiler warnings; they are the
! ;;    result of multi-Emacs support.  This step is necessary only if
! ;;    you're installing your own ps-print; if ps-print came with your
! ;;    copy of Emacs, this been done already.
! ;;
! ;; 2. Place in your .emacs file the line
! ;;
! ;;        (require 'ps-print)
! ;;
! ;;    to load ps-print.  Or you may cause any of the ps-print commands
! ;;    to be autoloaded with an autoload command such as:
! ;;
! ;;      (autoload 'ps-print-buffer "ps-print"
! ;;        "Generate and print a PostScript image of the buffer..." t)
! ;;
! ;; 3. Make sure that the variables ps-lpr-command and ps-lpr-switches
! ;;    contain appropriate values for your system; see the usage notes
! ;;    below and the documentation of these variables.
  ;; 
  ;; New since version 1.5
  ;; ---------------------
--- 306,314 ----
  ;; formats for; it should contain one of the symbols ps-letter,
  ;; ps-legal, or ps-a4.  The default is ps-letter.
  ;;
! ;; Make sure that the variables ps-lpr-command and ps-lpr-switches
! ;; contain appropriate values for your system; see the usage notes
! ;; below and the documentation of these variables.
  ;; 
  ;; New since version 1.5
  ;; ---------------------
***************
*** 459,464 ****
--- 441,448 ----
  `ps-print-headers'.")
  
  ;;;###autoload
+ ;;; The 19.33 fsf version includes a test on pixel components instead
+ ;;;  of color-instance-rgb-components
  (defvar ps-print-color-p (and (or (fboundp 'x-color-values)	; fsf
  				  (fboundp 'color-instance-rgb-components))
  					; xemacs
***************
*** 608,616 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-print-buffer-with-faces (&optional filename)
    "Generate and print a PostScript image of the buffer.
- 
  Like `ps-print-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image."
    (interactive (list (ps-print-preprint current-prefix-arg)))
    (ps-generate (current-buffer) (point-min) (point-max)
  	       'ps-generate-postscript-with-faces)
--- 592,600 ----
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-print-buffer-with-faces (&optional filename)
    "Generate and print a PostScript image of the buffer.
  Like `ps-print-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
! are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values."
    (interactive (list (ps-print-preprint current-prefix-arg)))
    (ps-generate (current-buffer) (point-min) (point-max)
  	       'ps-generate-postscript-with-faces)
***************
*** 620,626 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-print-region (from to &optional filename)
    "Generate and print a PostScript image of the region.
- 
  Like `ps-print-buffer', but prints just the current region."
  
    (interactive (list (point) (mark) (ps-print-preprint current-prefix-arg)))
--- 604,609 ----
***************
*** 632,640 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-print-region-with-faces (from to &optional filename)
    "Generate and print a PostScript image of the region.
- 
  Like `ps-print-region', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image."
  
    (interactive (list (point) (mark) (ps-print-preprint current-prefix-arg)))
    (ps-generate (current-buffer) from to
--- 615,623 ----
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-print-region-with-faces (from to &optional filename)
    "Generate and print a PostScript image of the region.
  Like `ps-print-region', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
! are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values."
  
    (interactive (list (point) (mark) (ps-print-preprint current-prefix-arg)))
    (ps-generate (current-buffer) from to
***************
*** 645,651 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-buffer ()
    "Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
- 
  Like `ps-print-buffer' except that the PostScript image is saved in a
  local buffer to be sent to the printer later.
  
--- 628,633 ----
***************
*** 658,666 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-buffer-with-faces ()
    "Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
- 
  Like `ps-spool-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.
  
  Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer."
  
--- 640,648 ----
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-buffer-with-faces ()
    "Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
  Like `ps-spool-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
! are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values.
  
  Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer."
  
***************
*** 672,678 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-region (from to)
    "Generate a PostScript image of the region and spool locally.
- 
  Like `ps-spool-buffer', but spools just the current region.
  
  Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer."
--- 654,659 ----
***************
*** 684,692 ****
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-region-with-faces (from to)
    "Generate a PostScript image of the region and spool locally.
- 
  Like `ps-spool-region', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.
  
  Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer."
    (interactive "r")
--- 665,673 ----
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun ps-spool-region-with-faces (from to)
    "Generate a PostScript image of the region and spool locally.
  Like `ps-spool-region', but includes font, color, and underline
! information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
! are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values.
  
  Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer."
    (interactive "r")
***************
*** 745,756 ****
  %*** NOTE: the following are missing in the Adobe documentation,
  %*** but appear in the displayed table:
  %*** macron at 0225, dieresis at 0230, cedilla at 0233, space at 0240.
! % \20x
      /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
      /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
      /dotlessi /grave /acute /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent
      /dieresis /.notdef /ring /cedilla /.notdef /hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron
! % \24x
      /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling
  	/currency /yen /brokenbar /section
      /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine /guillemotleft
--- 726,737 ----
  %*** NOTE: the following are missing in the Adobe documentation,
  %*** but appear in the displayed table:
  %*** macron at 0225, dieresis at 0230, cedilla at 0233, space at 0240.
! % ^Px
      /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
      /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
      /dotlessi /grave /acute /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent
      /dieresis /.notdef /ring /cedilla /.notdef /hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron
! % ^Tx
      /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling
  	/currency /yen /brokenbar /section
      /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine /guillemotleft
***************
*** 759,765 ****
  	/acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered
      /cedilla /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright
  	/onequarter /onehalf /threequarters /questiondown
! % \30x
      /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
  	/Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla
      /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
--- 740,746 ----
  	/acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered
      /cedilla /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright
  	/onequarter /onehalf /threequarters /questiondown
! % ^Xx
      /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
  	/Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla
      /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
***************
*** 768,774 ****
  	/Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply
      /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute /Ucircumflex
  	/Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls
! % \34x
      /agrave /aacute /acircumflex /atilde
  	/adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla
      /egrave /eacute /ecircumflex /edieresis
--- 749,755 ----
  	/Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply
      /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute /Ucircumflex
  	/Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls
! % ^\\x
      /agrave /aacute /acircumflex /atilde
  	/adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla
      /egrave /eacute /ecircumflex /edieresis
***************
*** 1198,1206 ****
  	       (listp filename)))
        (let* ((name (concat (buffer-name) ".ps"))
  	     (prompt (format "Save PostScript to file: (default %s) "
! 			     name)))
! 	(read-file-name prompt default-directory
! 			name nil))))
  
  ;; The following functions implement a simple list-buffering scheme so
  ;; that ps-print doesn't have to repeatedly switch between buffers
--- 1179,1189 ----
  	       (listp filename)))
        (let* ((name (concat (buffer-name) ".ps"))
  	     (prompt (format "Save PostScript to file: (default %s) "
! 			     name))
! 	     (res (read-file-name prompt default-directory name nil)))
! 	(if (file-directory-p res)
! 	    (expand-file-name name (file-name-as-directory res))
! 	  res))))
  
  ;; The following functions implement a simple list-buffering scheme so
  ;; that ps-print doesn't have to repeatedly switch between buffers
***************
*** 1565,1570 ****
--- 1548,1556 ----
  (defun ps-color-values (x-color)
    (cond ((fboundp 'x-color-values)
  	 (x-color-values x-color))
+         ;; From fsf 19.33
+         ;; ((fboundp 'pixel-components)
+ 	;;  (pixel-components x-color))
  	((and (fboundp 'color-instance-rgb-components)
  	      (xemacs-color-device))
  	 (color-instance-rgb-components
***************
*** 1644,1649 ****
--- 1630,1638 ----
       (memq face kind-list))))
  
  (defun ps-xemacs-face-kind-p (face kind kind-regex kind-list)
+   ;; fsf 19.33:
+   ;; (let* ((frame-font (or (face-font face) (face-font 'default)))
+   ;;       (kind-cons (assq kind (x-font-properties frame-font)))
    (let* ((frame-font
  	  (or (face-font-instance face) (face-font-instance 'default)))
  	 (kind-cons (and frame-font
***************
*** 1802,1809 ****
  			   (min (next-overlay-change from) to)))
  		 (setq position
  		       (min property-change overlay-change))
  		 (setq face
! 		       (cond ((get-text-property from 'invisible) nil)
  			     ((get-text-property from 'face))
  			     (t 'default)))
  		 (let ((overlays (overlays-at from))
--- 1791,1810 ----
  			   (min (next-overlay-change from) to)))
  		 (setq position
  		       (min property-change overlay-change))
+ 		 ;; The code below is not quite correct,
+ 		 ;; because a non-nil overlay invisible property
+ 		 ;; which is inactive according to the current value
+ 		 ;; of buffer-invisibility-spec nonetheless overrides
+ 		 ;; a face text property.
  		 (setq face
! 		       (cond ((let ((prop (get-text-property from 'invisible)))
! 				;; Decide whether this invisible property
! 				;; really makes the text invisible.
! 				(if (eq buffer-invisibility-spec t)
! 				    (not (null prop))
! 				  (or (memq prop buffer-invisibility-spec)
! 				      (assq prop buffer-invisibility-spec))))
! 			      nil)
  			     ((get-text-property from 'face))
  			     (t 'default)))
  		 (let ((overlays (overlays-at from))
***************
*** 1817,1823 ****
  						  0)))
  		       (if (and (or overlay-invisible overlay-face)
  				(> overlay-priority face-priority))
! 			   (setq face (cond (overlay-invisible nil)
  					    ((and face overlay-face)))
  				 face-priority overlay-priority)))
  		     (setq overlays (cdr overlays))))
--- 1818,1828 ----
  						  0)))
  		       (if (and (or overlay-invisible overlay-face)
  				(> overlay-priority face-priority))
! 			   (setq face (cond ((if (eq buffer-invisibility-spec t)
! 						 (not (null overlay-invisible))
! 					       (or (memq overlay-invisible buffer-invisibility-spec)
! 						   (assq overlay-invisible buffer-invisibility-spec)))
! 					     nil)
  					    ((and face overlay-face)))
  				 face-priority overlay-priority)))
  		     (setq overlays (cdr overlays))))
***************
*** 1831,1837 ****
  
  (defun ps-generate (buffer from to genfunc)
    (let ((from (min to from))
! 	(to (max to from)))
      (save-restriction
        (narrow-to-region from to)
        (if ps-razzle-dazzle
--- 1836,1845 ----
  
  (defun ps-generate (buffer from to genfunc)
    (let ((from (min to from))
! 	(to (max to from))
! 	;; This avoids trouble if chars with read-only properties
! 	;; are copied into ps-spool-buffer.
! 	(inhibit-read-only t))
      (save-restriction
        (narrow-to-region from to)
        (if ps-razzle-dazzle
***************
*** 1875,1885 ****
  	      (while (re-search-backward "^/PageCount 0 def$" nil t)
  		(replace-match (format "/PageCount %d def" ps-page-count) t))
  
! 	      ;; Setting this variable tells the unwind form that
  	      ;; the postscript was generated without error.
  	      (setq completed-safely t))
  
! 	  ;; Unwind form: If some bad mojo ocurred while generating
  	  ;; postscript, delete all the postscript that was generated.
  	  ;; This protects the previously spooled files from getting
  	  ;; corrupted.
--- 1883,1893 ----
  	      (while (re-search-backward "^/PageCount 0 def$" nil t)
  		(replace-match (format "/PageCount %d def" ps-page-count) t))
  
! 	      ;; Setting this variable tells the unwind form that the
  	      ;; the postscript was generated without error.
  	      (setq completed-safely t))
  
! 	  ;; Unwind form: If some bad mojo occurred while generating
  	  ;; postscript, delete all the postscript that was generated.
  	  ;; This protects the previously spooled files from getting
  	  ;; corrupted.
***************
*** 1911,1919 ****
  	  (message "Printing..."))
        (save-excursion
  	(set-buffer ps-spool-buffer)
! 	(apply 'call-process-region
! 	       (point-min) (point-max) ps-lpr-command nil 0 nil
! 	       ps-lpr-switches))
        (if ps-razzle-dazzle
  	  (message "Printing...done")))
      (kill-buffer ps-spool-buffer)))
--- 1919,1932 ----
  	  (message "Printing..."))
        (save-excursion
  	(set-buffer ps-spool-buffer)
! 	(if (and (eq system-type 'ms-dos) (stringp dos-ps-printer))
! 	    (write-region (point-min) (point-max) dos-ps-printer t 0)
! 	  (let ((binary-process-input t)) ; for MS-DOS
! 	    (apply 'call-process-region
! 		   (point-min) (point-max) ps-lpr-command nil
! 		   (if (fboundp 'start-process) 0 nil)
! 		   nil
! 		   ps-lpr-switches))))
        (if ps-razzle-dazzle
  	  (message "Printing...done")))
      (kill-buffer ps-spool-buffer)))
***************
*** 1959,1965 ****
  (defun ps-article-subject ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "^Subject:[ \t]+\\(.*\\)$")
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "Subject ???")))
  
--- 1972,1978 ----
  (defun ps-article-subject ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "^Subject:[ \t]+\\(.*\\)$" nil t)
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "Subject ???")))
  
***************
*** 1969,1975 ****
  (defun ps-article-author ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "^From:[ \t]+\\(.*\\)$")
  	(let ((fromstring (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))))
  	  (cond
  
--- 1982,1988 ----
  (defun ps-article-author ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "^From:[ \t]+\\(.*\\)$" nil t)
  	(let ((fromstring (buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))))
  	  (cond
  
***************
*** 2042,2048 ****
  (defun ps-info-file ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "File:[ \t]+\\([^, \t\n]*\\)")
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "File ???")))
  
--- 2055,2061 ----
  (defun ps-info-file ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "File:[ \t]+\\([^, \t\n]*\\)" nil t)
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "File ???")))
  
***************
*** 2051,2057 ****
  (defun ps-info-node ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "Node:[ \t]+\\([^,\t\n]*\\)")
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "Node ???")))
  
--- 2064,2070 ----
  (defun ps-info-node ()
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
!     (if (re-search-forward "Node:[ \t]+\\([^,\t\n]*\\)" nil t)
  	(buffer-substring (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
        "Node ???")))
  

Ajay>   I use the lp command and the name of the printer here is "ipszac".

For customization you want to do the following in your .emacs:
;; Only if your printer does not do color
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

(setq ps-lpr-command "lp")
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-dipszac"))

Presumably ipszac is a Postscript printer.

Note also that ps-print does not work from a tty, it will only work in
X11.

Hope this helps.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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I frequently use XEmacs in tty mode under Linux to edit C++ code. The
problem I have is that the syntax highlighting colors seem too dark to
me. The darker red, green, and blue colors used for strings, comments,
etc. would, to me, look better in the brighter versions.

How can I change this?

And, more generally, in the future when I have a specific task to
accomplish such as this, where should I look in the XEmacs code to help me
out? I always check the FAQ, but a lot of what I want to do isn't there
(I guess I'm unique!).

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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From: Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM: a "reply-to" question
Date: 15 Sep 1996 16:39:21 +0100
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Michael Roesler <miker@lamrc.com> writes:
> 
> I get tired of remembering to type C-c C-f C-r to get a "reply-to" line 
> in VM.
> 
> How can I automatically get "reply-to" to be inserted in the header 
> of a VM mail message?
> 
> 
> 
>     ...Mike Roesler  miker@lamrc.com
> 

Use:
(setq mail-default-reply-to (getenv "REPLYTO"))
if your env variable REPLYTO is set,
or just
(setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")

which should work.

Cheers, Stephen

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From: Alan Bair <abair@comland.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: CDE Drag-n-Drop from XEmacs?
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:11:14 +0000
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Anders Stenman wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions from XEmacs buffers to
> other CDE applications (for example, to drag calendar appointments from a
> VM window to the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement this
> feature?
> 
> /Anders

XEmacs 19.14 has a configuration option, --use-cde(?), that is
described as turning on some sort of support for CDE Drag and Drop.
I have not tried this, so I have no idea exactly what it provides. Try
building XEmacs and see what happens.

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From: David Ritter <dritter@mich.com>
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Subject: Re: Can't run xemacs-19.14 on linux
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Rosinger <rosinger@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au> writes:

> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I try to run xemacs-19.14 on linux.
> 
> I have both the arch-independent and the arch-dependent files.
> 
> When I run it, it says:
> "Can't resolve symbol _h_error" segmentation fault.
> 
> Any one has an idea what that might be?

The FAQ says:

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno [new]

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       

David Ritter
dritter@mich.com

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Subject: paren.el enhancement: paren-backwards-message
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Following a suggestion in paren.el, I have added a feature that
changes the message displayed in the minibuffer when a matching paren
is off-screen. If the buffer-local variable paren-backwards-message is
non-nil then the message will show the non-blank line PRECEDING the
opening brace. This is more useful when you use a C style of open
braces on new lines.


If you have already loaded paren.el, this code in your .emacs will
alter its behavior.

;; Determines the message displayed when a matching paren is off-screen.
;; Message displays text from beginning of line to paren.
;; If there is none, and if paren-backwards-message is nil, then the text from
;; the paren to the end of next non-blank line is displayed.
;; If paren-backwards-message is non-nil, then the text displayed is from the
;; previous non-blank line to the paren.

(make-variable-buffer-local
 (defvar paren-backwards-message nil))

(defun paren-describe-match (pos mismatch)  
  (or (window-minibuffer-p (selected-window))
      (save-excursion
	(goto-char pos)
	(message "%s %s"
		 (if mismatch "MISMATCH:" "Matches")
		 ;; if there's stuff on this line preceding the paren, then
		 ;; display text from beginning of line to paren.
		 (if (save-excursion
		       (skip-chars-backward " \t")
		       (not (bolp)))
		     (concat (buffer-substring
			      (progn (beginning-of-line) (point))
			      (1+ pos)) "...")
		   (if paren-backwards-message
		       ;; display previous non-blank line to paren
		       (buffer-substring
			(progn
			  (skip-chars-backward "\n \t")
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (point))
			(1+ pos))
		     ;; display paren to next non-blank line
		     (buffer-substring
		      pos (progn
			    (forward-char 1)
			    (skip-chars-forward "\n \t")
			    (end-of-line)
			    (point)))))))))


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From: Gregor von Laszewski <gregor@npac.syr.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Outline mode & latex
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hi:

a) I am not much of an emacs expert, but I would like to use 
tthe outline mode with latex support.

Thus all my chapters should start with %*, %**, %***, etc.

HOw do I do this.

b) I would likt to set different fonts automatically dependent on
    the extension of the file. How do I do this.

    E.g. .tex -> Helvetica
         buffers -> fixed (courier)

thanks gregor 
    

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In article (Dans l'article) <51ha1e$kjc@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
ajgabor@ucdavis.edu wrote (crivait):

>When XEmacs-19.14 is fired up with -nw option (no windows) a warning
>window appears with "Warning: unable to connect to ToolTalk server."

Xemacs uses ToolTalk to talk with other X clients like 'Debugger' (You have
Xemacs for SparcWorks).

ToolTalk ('ttsession') is running when X is running, not in terminal mode...

>I presume it still thinks that this is an xterm??  This is not
>fatal but annoying - anyway to fix?

May be an option... I don't know.

--
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Hi,

I dial into my school and run PPP.  I used to use Netscape Mail to retrieve my mail from the school
using pop3 (popmail).  It was easy to setup under Netscape.

Is there any way to configure VM (View Mail under xemacs 19-14 running under Linux 2.0.x)
to retrieve my mail from my school mailbox using pop3?  If so, how do I do it so that I can retrieve
that mail under a mailbox other than the local one on my Linux mail system?

Thanks in advance

Bidemi Temidire

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Subject: Re: CDE Drag-n-Drop from XEmacs?
Date: 16 Sep 1996 09:59:46 +0100
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Alan Bair <abair@comland.com> writes:


> > It would be nice if it was possible to drag regions from XEmacs buffers to
> > other CDE applications (for example, to drag calendar appointments from a
> > VM window to the CDE Calendar Manager). Is it possible to implement this
> > feature?
> > 
> > /Anders
> 
> XEmacs 19.14 has a configuration option, --use-cde(?), that is
> described as turning on some sort of support for CDE Drag and Drop.
> I have not tried this, so I have no idea exactly what it provides. Try
> building XEmacs and see what happens.

It provides dragging of files into xemacs buffers (from dtfile for instance). 19.15 supports
dragging of buffers (e.g. mail attachments) or just text.

andy
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Subject: Re: Meta key under Linux?
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Bernd Johannes Wuebben <wuebben@math.cornell.edu> writes:

> I am using Xemacs 19.13 under linux and used
> to be able to press the "Alt" key on my pc key-board
> to generat the meta-key. It doesn't work anymore, though
> I can still use ESC. Is there a way to fix this. What might
> have happened?

Typically, your keymaps don't map the ALT key to META. You might want to
try to look in /etc/X11/XF86config (or so), which typically has
some outcommented lines for getting this behaviour after being
freshly configured.

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Gregor von Laszewski wrote:
> 
> hi:
> 
> a) I am not much of an emacs expert, but I would like to use
> tthe outline mode with latex support.
> 
> Thus all my chapters should start with %*, %**, %***, etc.
> 
> HOw do I do this.
SNIPPED ...

I've asked this question a few weeks ago. :-)
The answer :
1. Use Auc-TeX
2. Add to your .emacs :

;; Outlining in Auc-TeX
(defun turn-on-outline-minor-mode ()
  (outline-minor-mode 1))
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-on-outline-minor-mode)

3. Wider your XEmacs window to see extra menus

Good luck,

Jacek Pliszka

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Kenneth W. Lee (kenlee@congo.morgan.com) wrote:
> Would anyone know how to revert to the default settings for
> "Options"?  (The session actually hangs for about 1 minute)

Why don't you just remove .xemacs-options file?

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From: johan.ferner@lm.se (Johan Ferner)
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Subject: Tooltalk, -nw and slow response
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Hello all,

I connect using PPP from my home (A linux PC with X) to work (an SS4
running Solaris 2.5). xemacs 19.14. I use ssh for encryption and a nice
"side effect" is that it sets up X so that I can display windows on my
Linux box. 
If I don't set DISPLAY to "", xemacs will start and try to connect to a
tooltalk server at the end of my $DISPLAY even if I've said -nw.
The problem is that my Linux box doesn't have tooltalk (no CDE), yet xemacs
seems to think it has connected to something because a few minutes later,
xemacs becomes sluggish and the receive light on my modem will light up
although I'm not causing any traffic. Suspending my xemacs session with
ctrl-z stops the receiving, starting the session will start the receiving
again. Once I got upset and threw a couple of cnrl-g's at it. Xemacs then
responded with a core dump.

Another indication of this is that if I set DISPLAY="" then I will receive
the Couldn't connect to tooltalk warning. If I don't I don't see this
warning. Yet another indication is that ssh thinks I have two encrypted X
sessions when I try to log out, and will hang waiting for them to
terminate. I don't have any X sessions left at that point.

Any thoughts on what might be causing this behaviour?

// Johan


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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:45:31 GMT, root <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I dial into my school and run PPP.  I used to use Netscape Mail to retrieve my m
>  ail from the school
> using pop3 (popmail).  It was easy to setup under Netscape.
> 
> Is there any way to configure VM (View Mail under xemacs 19-14 running under Lin
>  ux 2.0.x)
> to retrieve my mail from my school mailbox using pop3?  If so, how do I do it so
>   that I can retrieve
> that mail under a mailbox other than the local one on my Linux mail system?
> 

Have a look at `popclient -o' - it'll do what you want.

Dave

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: recommendations for 'starter' .emacs file
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Jim Anderson (jander@lehman.com) wrote:
> I've been using GNU emacs for a number of years and am interested in
> trying out xemacs, but my .emacs file doesn't seem
> compatible. Consequently, I'm looking for some sample 'starter' files.

There's a great sample.emacs file with the distribution. You can look
it up from the help menu.

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Rohan Fernando wrote:
> 
> I am running Xemacs 19.14 on a DEC Alpha 500 and the time on the modeline is off
> by 7 hours. I do not have this problem on a Sun Sparc 20. How do I corect this
> problem?

I assume your timezone is set wrong on the DEC Alpha 500.

Try

M-: (current-time-zone)
and see what you get.

Adrian

> 
> --
> Rohan L. Fernando
> email: rohan@iastate.edu

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I know of one port of Emacs 18 to Macintosh... but I do not know if there is an
Xemacs one.

Thanks in advance,
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From: ptanner@sw.stratus.com (Philip Tanner)
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Subject: Build problems of xemacs 19.14 on HP 10.01
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	I'm trying to build xemacs 19.14 on a HP and am having
problems. I've tried various options to the configure script but nothing
seems to work.
	This is the configure command I'm running:

./configure  --prefix=/usr/newlocal/install_dir/xemacs-19.14 --x-includes=\
/usr/newlocal/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib --with-xpm=no\
 --with-xmu=no --with-sound=no
 
	This is the error I get:

        gcc -g -O      -L/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib  -Xlinker -a -Xlinker archive
            -L/usr/lib/X11R5 -L/usr/lib/Motif1.2 -L/opt/audio/lib         
  -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o b
ytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o con
sole.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.
o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     
eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.
o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         g
eneral.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o          
hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o 
lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o            
objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o  
 redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o 
sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o       
 toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
 redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexhp9k800.o    console-x.o device-x.o 
dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o 
redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o  xmu.o     
 window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o alloca.o
 EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o 
EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw         -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                 -lcurses            -ldbm        -lm         
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
/usr/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
   XmuConvertStandardSelection (code)
   _XA_LENGTH (data)
   XmuRegisterExternalAgent (code)
   XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle (code)
   _XEditResCheckMessages (code)
   XmuCvtStringToCursor (code)
   XmuCvtStringToJustify (code)
   XmuReshapeWidget (code)
   XmuReleaseStippledPixmap (code)
   _XA_TEXT (data)
   _XA_LIST_LENGTH (data)
   _XA_COMPOUND_TEXT (data)
   XmuNewCvtStringToWidget (code)
   XmuCompareISOLatin1 (code)
   _XA_SPAN (data)
   _XA_DELETE (data)
   _XA_TARGETS (data)
   _XA_NULL (data)
   XmuInternAtom (code)
   XmuCvtStringToColorCursor (code)
   XmuCreateStippledPixmap (code)
   XmuCvtStringToOrientation (code)
   shl_findsym (code)
   shl_load (code)
   XmuCvtStringToBitmap (code)
   _XA_CHARACTER_POSITION (data)
*** Error exit code 1

Stop.
*** Error exit code 1


	Has anyone seen this or know what's wrong?

					Phil

					ptanner@sw.stratus.com

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From: Rich McAllister <rfm@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: ToolTalk warning message with -nw option
Date: 16 Sep 1996 09:29:05 -0700
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gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor) writes:

> 
> When XEmacs-19.14 is fired up with -nw option (no windows) a warning
> window appears with "Warning: unable to connect to ToolTalk server."

Make sure DISPLAY is unset, as well as using -nw.

This will probably speed up startup as well as get rid of the
message, since you won't have to wait around for a timeout.

--
Rich McAllister (rfm@eng.sun.com)

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Bonjour,

I would like to use 12pt fonts (i.e., the default setting?) on color
displays, and 10pt fonts on monochrome displays. Does anyone know how
to do that?

Also, on a monochrome display, selecting some piece of text with
the mouse doesn't make it appear highlighted. Grr. Any solution?

Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Gary Ebert (gary@duckboy.rdss.com) wrote:

>> Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line numbers
>> along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the number of the
>> line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this was possible
>> with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(

> AFAIK no emacs could do that, not even vi emulations within it (try
> :set nu).

This works for me in XEmacs 19.14.


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;;; vi-style line number mode for XEmacs (requires 19.10 or later)
;;; Copyright (C) 1994, 1995 Kyle E. Jones
;;;
;;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;;; any later version.
;;;
;;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;;;
;;; A copy of the GNU General Public License can be obtained from this
;;; program's author (send electronic mail to kyle@uunet.uu.net) or from
;;; the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA
;;; 02139, USA.
;;;
;;; Send bug reports to kyle@wonderworks.com
;;
;; M-x setnu-mode toggles the line number mode on and off.
;;
;; turn-on-setnu-mode is useful for adding to a major-mode hook
;; variable.
;; Example:
;;     (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-setnu-mode)
;; to automatically turn on line numbering when enterting text-mode."

(provide 'setnu)

(if (not (fboundp 'make-glyph))
    (fset 'make-glyph 'identity))

(add-hook 'before-change-functions 'setnu-before-change-function)
(add-hook 'after-change-functions 'setnu-after-change-function)

(defconst setnu-mode-version "1.01"
  "Version number for this release of setnu-mode.")

(defvar setnu-mode nil
  "Non-nil if setnu-mode is active in the current buffer.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'setnu-mode)

(defvar setnu-start-extent nil
  "First extent of a chain of extents used by setnu-mode.
Each line has its own extent.  Each line extent has a
`setnu-next-extent' property that points to the next extent in
the chain, which is the extent for the next line in the buffer.
There is also a `setnu-prev-extent' that points at the previous
extent in the chain.  To distinguish them from other extents the
setnu-mode extents all have a non-nil `setnu' property.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'setnu-start-extent)

(defvar setnu-line-number-format "%3d  "
  "String suitable for `format' that will generate a line number string.
`format' will be called with this string and one other argument
which will be an integer, the line number.")

(defun setnu-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle setnu-mode.
With prefix argument, turn setnu-mode on if argument is positive.
When setnu-mode is enabled, a line number will appear at the left
margin of each line."
  (interactive "P")
  (let ((oldmode setnu-mode)
	(inhibit-quit t))
    (setq setnu-mode (or (and arg (> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
			 (and (null arg) (null setnu-mode)))
	  ;; normalize value
	  setnu-mode (not (not setnu-mode)))
    (if (not (eq oldmode setnu-mode))
	(if setnu-mode
	    (setnu-mode-on)
	  (setnu-mode-off)))))

(defun turn-on-setnu-mode ()
  "Turn on setnu-mode.
Useful for adding to a major-mode hook variable.
Example:
    (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-setnu-mode)
to automatically turn on line numbering when enterting text-mode."
  (setnu-mode 1))

(defun setnu-mode-off ()
  "Internal shutdown of setnu-mode.
Deletes the extents associated with setnu-mode."
  (if setnu-start-extent
      (let (e ee)
	(setq e setnu-start-extent)
	(while e
	  (setq ee e)
	  (setq e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
	  (delete-extent ee))
	(setq setnu-start-extent nil))))

(defun setnu-mode-on ()
  "Internal startup of setnu-mode.
Sets up the extents associated with setnu-mode."
  (let ((done nil)
	(curr-e nil)
	(n 1)
	(match-data (match-data))
	e start numstr)
    (unwind-protect
	(save-excursion
	  (save-restriction
	    (widen)
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (setq start (point))
	    (while (not done)
	      (setq done (null (search-forward "\n" nil 0)))
	      (setq e (make-extent start (point)))
	      (set-extent-property e 'setnu t)
	      (if (null setnu-start-extent)
		  (setq setnu-start-extent e
			curr-e e)
		(set-extent-property curr-e 'setnu-next-extent e)
		(set-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent curr-e)
		(setq curr-e e))
	      (setq numstr (format setnu-line-number-format n))
	      (set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	      (set-extent-begin-glyph e (make-glyph numstr))
	      (setq n (1+ n)
		    start (point)))))
      (store-match-data match-data))))

(defun setnu-before-change-function (start end)
  "Before change function for setnu-mode.
Notices when a delete is about to delete some lines and adjusts
the line number extents accordingly."
  (if (or (not setnu-mode) (= start end))
      () ; not in setnu-mode or this is an insertion
    (let ((inhibit-quit t)
	  (start-e nil)
	  (match-data (match-data))
	  end-e saved-next e ee)
      (unwind-protect
	  (save-excursion
	    (save-restriction
	      (widen)
	      (goto-char start)
	      (if (search-forward "\n" end t)
		  (progn
		    (setq start-e (setnu-extent-at start nil 'setnu)
			  saved-next (extent-property start-e
						      'setnu-next-extent))
		    (setq end-e (setnu-extent-at end nil 'setnu))
		    (set-extent-endpoints start-e
					  (extent-start-position start-e)
					  (extent-end-position end-e))
		    (set-extent-property
		     start-e 'setnu-next-extent
		     (extent-property end-e 'setnu-next-extent))))
	      (if start-e
		  (progn
		    (setq e (extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent)
			  ee saved-next)
		    (while (and e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
		      (setq e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    ee (extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent)))
		    (while (and e (not (eq ee start-e)))
		      (set-extent-begin-glyph
		       e (extent-property ee 'begin-glyph))
		      (set-extent-property
		       e 'line-number (extent-property ee 'line-number))
		      (setq e (extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent)
			    ee (extent-property ee 'setnu-prev-extent)))
		    (setq end-e (extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent))
		    (and end-e
			 (set-extent-property end-e
					      'setnu-prev-extent start-e))
		    (setq e saved-next)
		    (while (not (eq e end-e))
		      (setq ee e
			    e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent))
		      (delete-extent ee))))))
	(store-match-data match-data)))))

(defun setnu-after-change-function (start end length)
  "After change function for setnu-mode.
Notices when an insert is about to add some lines and adjusts
the line number extents accordingly."
  (if (or (not setnu-mode) (= start end))
      () ; not in setnu-mode or this is a deletion
    (let ((inhibit-quit t)
	  (ee nil)
	  (match-data (match-data))
	  (new-lines 0)
	  start-e e saved-end saved-next n numstr)
      (unwind-protect
	  (save-excursion
	    (save-restriction
	      (widen)
	      (setq start-e (setnu-extent-at start nil 'setnu))
	      (if (zerop (extent-length start-e))
		  ;; bogus!  insertion didn't put the text into the
		  ;; extent because the extent was zero length.
		  ;; force the issue.
		  (set-extent-endpoints start-e start end))
	      (setq saved-next (extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent)
		    saved-end (extent-end-position start-e)
		    e start-e)
	      (goto-char start)
	      (while (search-forward "\n" end 0)
		(set-extent-endpoints e (extent-start-position e) (point))
		(setq ee (make-extent (point) (point)))
		(set-extent-property ee 'setnu t)
		(set-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent ee)
		(set-extent-property ee 'setnu-prev-extent e)
		(setq e ee new-lines (1+ new-lines)))
	      (if ee
		  (progn
		    (set-extent-endpoints
		     e (extent-start-position e) saved-end)
		    (set-extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent saved-next)
		    (and saved-next
			 (set-extent-property
			  saved-next 'setnu-prev-extent e))
		    (setq e (extent-property start-e 'setnu-next-extent)
			  ee saved-next)
		    (while ee
		      (set-extent-begin-glyph
		       e (extent-property ee 'begin-glyph))
		      (set-extent-property
		       e 'line-number (extent-property ee 'line-number))
		      (setq e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    ee (extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent)))
		    (setq n (1+ (string-to-int
				 (extent-property
				  (extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent)
				  'line-number))))
		    (while e
		      (setq numstr (format setnu-line-number-format n))
		      (set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
		      (set-extent-begin-glyph e (make-glyph numstr))
		      (setq e (extent-property e 'setnu-next-extent)
			    n (1+ n)))))))
	(store-match-data match-data)))))

(defun setnu-extent-at (pos buf prop)
  "Like `extent-at' except that an extent is created if needed.
This function is written with setnu-mode in mind, using it elsewhere
probably isn't a good idea."
  (let ((e (extent-at pos buf prop)) ee beg numstr)
    (if e
	e
      ;; no extent found so one must be created.
      (save-excursion
	(goto-char pos)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(setq e (extent-at (point) buf prop))
	(cond (e
	       ;; found one.  extend it to cover this whole line.
	       ;; this takes care of zero length extents that
	       ;; might exist at bob or eob that can't be
	       ;; inserted into.
	       (setq beg (point))
	       (forward-line 1)
	       (set-extent-endpoints e beg (point))
	       e )
	      ((bobp)
	       ;; we are at bob and there's no extent.
	       ;;
	       ;; this is because the extent that was there got
	       ;; detached because all the text in the buffer was
	       ;; deleted.  so we create a new extent and make it
	       ;; contain the whole buffer, since there can be no
	       ;; other attached extents.
	       (setq e (make-extent (point-min) (point-max))
		     numstr (format setnu-line-number-format 1))
	       (set-extent-property e 'setnu t)
	       (set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	       (set-extent-begin-glyph e (make-glyph numstr))
	       (setq setnu-start-extent e)
	       e )
	      (t
	       ;; we must be at eob and there's no extent.
	       ;; 
	       ;; this is because the extent that was there
	       ;; shrank to zero length and was detached.  create
	       ;; a new extent that contains all text from point
	       ;; to pos.
	       (setq e (make-extent (point) pos))
	       (set-extent-property e 'setnu t)
	       (setq ee (extent-at (1- (point)) buf prop))
	       (set-extent-property e 'setnu-prev-extent ee)
	       (set-extent-property ee 'setnu-next-extent e)
	       (setq numstr
		     (format setnu-line-number-format
			     (1+ (string-to-int
				  (extent-property ee 'line-number)))))
	       (set-extent-property e 'line-number numstr)
	       (set-extent-begin-glyph e (make-glyph numstr))
	       e ))))))

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==================================================================
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davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
==================================================================
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Yes indeed it was the new XF86Config that I generated
when installing XF863.1.2 G recently.

thanks to David! :)

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Hello,

I'm having difficulties getting xemacs to print with my postscript
printer.  The queue name is "capIIg", here is what I have
currently added to my .emacs (as per the FAQ).

If anyone can see a mistake or has any ideas please let me know.

;;Set up printer for postscript printing.
(setq lpr-command "lpr")
(setq lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg "))
(setq ps-lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
(setq ps-lpr-switches  '("-p -nn "))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 


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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> Hello,

Mike> I'm having difficulties getting xemacs to print with my
Mike> postscript printer.  The queue name is "capIIg", here is what I
Mike> have currently added to my .emacs (as per the FAQ).

If it's printing problems as in stuff goes into the printer and just
disappears, I just posted a patch to this newsgroup that fixes
that.

Mike> If anyone can see a mistake or has any ideas please let me know.

Mike> ;;Set up printer for postscript printing.
Mike> (setq lpr-command "lpr")
Mike> (setq lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg "))
Mike> (setq ps-lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is a problem.  The ps-lpr-command should expect to be getting
postscript as input.  If that's the a2ps I'm using, it converts normal
text into postscript and (optionally) spools it to a printer.  This is
not what you want here.

Mike> (setq ps-lpr-switches  '("-p -nn "))
Mike> (setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 
Try:
(setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PYourPostScriptPrinter"))

Replace YourPostScriptPrinter with the name of your local postscript
printer.
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[It's spelled `XEmacs', please]
>>>>> "Francois" == Francois Felix Ingrand <felix@laas.fr> writes:

Francois> I know of one port of Emacs 18 to Macintosh... but I do not
Francois> know if there is an Xemacs one.

There is a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh, but not to MacOS.

I received this about a month ago, and haven't had time to edit it
down to get into the FAQ (bad, bad, sorry).

I received this information from Michael Tennes
<mtennes@cs1120.eld.ford.com>, and a URL is:
ftp://ftp.tenon.com/pub/applications/68k/X11/editors/xemacs-19.13.src.tgz

Michael adds:
Tenon is actively porting Xemacs-19.14 to the PowerPC version and from
what they tell me it's a nightmare!

I'm including a README file that I believe is missing from
xemacs-19.13.src.tgz below. If you down-load the xemacs-19.13 source
distribution ignore the part about the GNU's being broken, that has
been fixed. Also, its a good idea to build xpm & Xfaces support.
If you want X-Face header support you will want James Ashton's
compface library available from from ftp.clark.net in
pub/liebman/compface.tar.Z.

Other good sites for things you may need are:

ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/mirror/
ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu

Last minute tip:

Don't ignore the part about bash, I could not get xemacs to build
without it, sh seems to loose track of where it is and then crash.

==================================================================

README: XEmacs 19.13 port for MachTen 2.x (VM)

This is a brief description of how to unpack the source patch and build
XEmacs 19.13 for MachTen 2.x (VM).  I cannot guarantee that this will work
as it does for me.  For that matter, I cannot guarantee that this will work
as it does on other platforms.

DISCLAIMER: I don't maintain XEmacs, nor is this port sanctioned by Tenon
in ANY way.  Please run it at your own risk, and don't hold me or Tenon
accountable for any damage that might result from this port.

Following files (relative to XEmacs distribution directory) had been either
added or altered to compile under MachTen 2.x.  I've put the descriptions
here hoping it might help you to port newer versions.  I'm having too many
problems and not enough time with 19.14, so, hopefully, someone else can
get it working for MachTen.

	src/lib-src/gnuserv.h:	Annoying bcmp() redefintion problem.
				I don't recall this problem under with
				R5 headers, so I conditioned it with
				THIS_IS_X11R6.  If the warning persists
				with R5, remove the conditional.

	src/sys/socket.h:	This is just a copy of distributed
				<sys/socket.h> with addition of conditional
				inclusion.  Pretty annoying that it's not
				protected against multiple inclusions.
				I decided not to just alter <sys/socket.h>
				in place for a variety of reasons.  Putting
				a copy here works just as well.

	src/sys/param.h:	This is a copy of distributed <sys/param.h>.
				Annoying MAX redefinition problem.
				Put a copy here for the same reason as above.	
				
	src/m/mac_m68k.h:	Machine description file for m68k Macs
				running MachTen 2.x.  This was altered
				from src/m/template.h.

	src/s/machten2.h:	OS description file for MachTen 2.x.
				This was altered from src/s/netbsd.h.

	configure:		m68k-mac-machten entry was added to
				find the above two files for configuration.

	src/machten2-crt0.c:	Startup code for MachTen 2.x.
				This was taken from ecrt0.c file included
				in the Emacs port for MachTen found in
				Tenon's Ported Applications CD-ROM.
				I didn't want to mess with the rather
				messy nested #ifdefs in ecrt0.c, so I just
				put MachTen specific part into a separate
				file and left the distributed ecrt0.c alone.
				src/s/machten2.h has the appropriate
				#define to link to this.
				Much thanks to whoever made this code
				available on the CD-ROM!

	src/syssignal.h:	There's a glaring oversight in accounting
				for systems that have SIGBLOCK and sigvec(),
				such as MachTen 2.x.  I've included the
				definition of signal_handler_t just as
				it's done for systems with sigaction().

	src/unexec.c:		Just made sure that sbrk() is declared
				correctly.	

As a reference, following is the system/tools I'm using:

	MachTen 2.3(VM) w/ X11R6
	gcc 2.7.2
	Most recent versions of GNU bash, make, bison

For optional XEmacs features, I've downloaded and installed:

	libXpm.a (compiled under X11R5 env.)
	libcompface.a

	I strongly recommend at least having libXpm.a.  It just makes things
	more pleasant to look at :)

	*** NOTE ***: The default compfaces Makefile does not install the
	header files.  Configure script looks for these headers.  Be sure
	to put the header files in the package in an include PATH, such as
	/usr/include, /usr/local/include, etc.

To build the package:

1.	Obtain the src distribution of XEmacs 19.13.  Check out
	http://www.xemacs.org/ for more details.
	While you're there, I recommend that you browse the FAQ and other
	juicy info.  For example, somewhere in there you'll learn that
	the version of GNUS distributed 19.13 is broken, and you'll need
	to install a newer verion of it separately.

2.	Unpack the src distribution.  Read the README and INSTALL files.
	Also, chase down any optional package (such as libXpm and
	libcompface...) you're interested in.  Get these packages
	separately and install them before proceeding with XEmacs build.

	Also, you may need bash and GNU make (see below.)

3.	Overlay the source patch onto the XEmacs source distribution:

	(cd xemacs-19.13; chmod u+w configure src/syssignal.h \
	lib-src/gnuserv.h src/unexec.c)

	zcat xemacs-19.13.src.tgz | (cd xemacs-19.13; tar xvf -)

4.	View src/s/machten2.h.  If for some reason you don't want (what I
	assume is) the newer resolver library that came with v2.3,
	comment out the things I noted there. 

	*** NOTE ***: if you have MachTen 2.3 and have X11R6 installed,
	temporarily install X11R5!!!  Resulting executable opens a window
	twice the size of the screen and cannot be resized under R6
	(I've only tested this under mwm.)  If you install R5, BE SURE
	to download the fixed libXt.a from ftp.tenon.com.  One on the
	CD-ROM is corrupt.

5.	Please take a little time to browse the INSTALL file for the
	various configure options that is available.	

6.	configure tests for availability of mmap(), which, as far as I know,
	still is pretty fatal in MachTen.  So, we'll need to disable mmap()
	support once and for all...

	cd /usr/include/sys
	mv mman.h mman.h.bak
	cd /usr/lib
	cp libc.a libc.a bak
	ar dv libc.a mmap.o
	ranlib libc.a

	*** BTW ***: I've never tested mmap() functionality under 2.3 as
	I cannot risk my machine crashing as trivially as I used to.
	Any insight?

7.	If you're using pre-2.3, you'll probably encounter some multiply
	defined symbol problems in libc.a and libm.a.
	(I'm going by memory, as I don't have 2.2 installed any more,
	 so following might be slightly off.)

	cd /usr/lib
	cp libm.a libm.a.bak
	ar dv libm.a isnan.o	(or is it isinf.o?)
	ranlib libm.a

8.	cd xemacs-19.13
	configure m68k-mac-machten <other_options>

	If you have MachTen 2.3 and X11R6, temporarily install X11R5
	as noted above and be sure to add the following options:

	--x-includes=/usr/X11R5/include
	--x-libraries=/usr/X11R5/lib

	If you have optional libs (for now, libXpm.a and libcompfaces.a)
	and installed them in places other than the default system link
	and include PATH, you should specify them so configure can find them.
	For example, if you put compface headers in /usr/local/include and
	Xpm.h in /usr/local/include/X11, and put the corresponding libs in
	/usr/local/lib:

	--site-includes=/usr/local/include
	--site-libraries=/usr/local/lib

	I recommend that you follow the recommended options given in INSTALL
	for the GUI elements, such as:

	--with-menubars=lucid
	--with-scrollbars=lucid
	--with-dialogs=motif	

9.	make CC=gcc CFLAGS=your_flags
	(I used make CC="gcc -pipe" CFLAGS="-O3 -m68040" SHELL=bash)

10.	If all's gone well (if you're installing into the default
	/usr/local hierarchy, make sure to do this as root or bin):
	make install SHELL=bash

If you're having build problems:

	I can't help you much but to give some personal observations.
	First, use GNU make, which quite often solves some obscure problems
	in general.
	Also, at least with GNU make, /bin/sh chokes sometimes.
	I get around this by using bash for SHELL.

	I should be uploading source patches to bash-1.14.6 as well at the
	same time I upload this patch to ftp.tenon.com.  GNU make should
	build "as is" out the box.


Is that it?:

	I think so.  If you spot any omissions in this file, please let me
	know.  Please also note that my main use for this is as a code editor
	and that I've not, nor do I have the inclination, to test every
	feature of this package, and if there are mistakes, I'm more likely
	than not to have time to work on fixes.  However, if you find a
	mistake that you've fixed, I'd love to know about it.

Good luck.


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Hi, I've got a question about ps-print and faces:

Is it possible to have ps-print ignore background face colours?
The problem I have is that my faces for Cmode all have a nice grey
background, but I dont want that sent to the printer, I want all the
nice *fore*ground colours, but with a white background when I print
stuff out. Any ideas anyone? TIA.


Mike.
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From: "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com>
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Recently I complained about font-lock misbehaving in VM. 

I have traced the problem to the presence of 'X-Face:' headers whose
contents (the encoded picture) contains a single '"' character. My
own X-Face has it, as well as Steven L. Baur's.

Any text following the '"' in the X-Face header is displayed in the
font-lock-string-face face, until another '"' is encountered, which
can be in the next message.

To check it, save any of Steven Baur's messages into a mail folder,
then make sure that font-lock is enabled in VM, then use VM to read
the mail folder.

Anyone has an idea how to fix that? From my invetsigations, seems
like that one likely culprit is the 'lisp/utils/highlight-headers'
package, but I'm not sure that the buck stops there.

Thanks.

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Hi, does anybody know how to build MATLAB mode or how to create a new
mode for a new style file in xemacs?


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From: Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Modifying a file outside of xemacs 
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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Yan Pujante wrote:

> I have the following problem:
> 
> When I am editing a file with xemacs, if I modify it outside of xemacs (for
> example 'touch filename'), and if I keep on editing after, xemacs doesn't
> warn me about the change of the filename until I want to save, which is
> quite annoying.
> 
> NB: emacs warned me as soon as I started to modify it again.

This is the emacs normal behavior : emacs is protecting you from 
loosing file information.  Here are the 2 solutions that I can propose to 
you:

  - sync your buffer with its associated file with 'M-x revert-buffer'
  - save your buffer (override the warning messages) with 'C-x C-s'

I prefer the first solution even if the buffer registers are deleted with 
this operation.

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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"Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:
> I have quit using VM because it seg faults when it makes windows. 
> XEmacs 19.14 seems to work fine everywhere but while using VM, which I
> really miss.

	"Don't do that, then."

(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil
      vm-frame-per-composition nil
      vm-frame-per-edit nil
      vm-frame-per-summary nil)

	//Raymond.

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Subject: Re: Building 19.14 on Digital UNIX V4.0
Keywords: 

Hi,

Here are the diffs required to build an XPG4-complient version
(XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED) of Xemacs-19.14 on Digital UNIX V4.0 
using the c89 compiler.

- Finnbarr -


diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/configure xemacs-19.14/configure
1577,1581d1576
<     CC="c89" 
<     CFLAGS="-D_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED -D_OSF_SOURCE" 
<     CPP="cc -E" 
<     const_is_losing='no'
<     site_includes="/usr/dt/share/include/"
5216d5210
< #ifndef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
5219,5221d5212
< #else
<   gettimeofday (&time, (void *) NULL);
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/lib-src/emacsserver.c xemacs-19.14/lib-src/emacsserver.c
1d0
< 
60c59
< #if !defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
---
> #if ! defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
77,82c76
<   int s, infd;
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t fromlen;
< #else
<   int fromlen;
< #endif
---
>   int s, infd, fromlen;
174d167
< 
176,177c169
< 
< #if defined(HAVE_POSIX_ACCEPT) || defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED)
---
> #ifdef HAVE_POSIX_ACCEPT
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/lib-src/gnuserv.c xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c
650,652d649
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t addrlen = sizeof(struct sockaddr_in);
< #else
654d650
< #endif
768,770d763
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t len = sizeof(struct sockaddr_un);
< #else
772d764
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/cmdloop.c xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c
546c546
< #if defined (__SUNPRO_C) || (defined (DEC_ALPHA) && defined (DEC_UNIX))
---
> #if defined (__SUNPRO_C) || (defined (DEC_ALPHA) && defined (OSF1))
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/emacs.c xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c
1413,1417d1412
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
< main (int argc, char **argv)
< {
<   char **envp = environ;
< #else
1420,1421d1414
< #endif /* _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED */
< 
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/gmalloc.c xemacs-19.14/src/gmalloc.c
119c119
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX		/* from grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu */
---
> #ifdef OSF1		/* from grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu */
1316c1316
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX
---
> #ifdef OSF1
1323c1323
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX
---
> #ifdef OSF1
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/systime.h xemacs-19.14/src/systime.h
172d171
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
175,180d173
<   gettimeofday (&(time), (void *) NULL);				\
<   EMACS_NORMALIZE_TIME (time);					\
< } while (0)
< #else
< #define EMACS_GET_TIME(time)					\
< do {								\
185d177
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/termcap.c xemacs-19.14/src/termcap.c
384d383
< 
465d463
< /*FPM*/
467c465
< 	xfree ((void *) term);
---
> 	xfree (term);
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/m/alpha.h xemacs-19.14/src/m/alpha.h
33c33
< #define DEC_ALPHA      /*Digital Alpha AXP */
---
> #define DEC_ALPHA		/* Digital Alpha AXP */
39a40,45
> /* XEmacs addition: is this necessary? */
> 
> /* XEmacs: Apparently not Andrew Cohen  8/24/95 */
> /* Define how to take a char and sign-extend into an int.
>    On machines where char is signed, this is a no-op.  */
> 
55a62
> #undef NO_UNION_TYPE
114a122,123
> /* #define SYSTEM_MALLOC */
> 
133a143,149
> /* #define NO_SOCK_SIGIO */
> 
> 
> #define HAVE_X11R4
> #define HAVE_X11R5
> 
> 
145c161
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #ifdef OSF1
146a163
> /* Some systems seem to have this, others don't.  */
152c169
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
154c171,181
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #if 0 /* Rainer Schoepf <schoepf@uni-mainz.de> says this loses with X11R6
> 	 since it has only shared libraries.  */
> #ifndef __GNUC__
> /* This apparently is for the system ld as opposed to Gnu ld.  */
> #ifdef OSF1
> #define LD_SWITCH_MACHINE      -non_shared
> #endif /* OSF1 */
> #endif /* not __GNUC__ */
> #endif /* 0 */
> 
> #ifdef OSF1
157c184
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
170c197,212
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #if 0
> 
> /* XEmacs -- removed code to define XINT, etc.  This gets
>    correctly handled automatically. */
> 
> /* Declare malloc and realloc in a way that is clean.
>    But not in makefiles!  */
> 
> #ifndef NOT_C_CODE
> /* We need these because pointers are larger than the default ints.  */
> #include <alloca.h>
> #endif /* not NOT_C_CODE */
> 
> #endif /* 0 */
> 
> #ifdef OSF1
185c227
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
206,190d247
< 
< #define LIBS_SYSTEM
< #define SYSTEM_MALLOC
< #define GETPGRP_NO_ARG
< #define C_DEBUG_SWITCH
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/s/decosf4-0.h xemacs-19.14/src/s/decosf4-0.h
1c1
< /* FPM DECOSF4-0.h */
---
> /* Synched up with: Not in FSF. */
2a3,4
> #include "decosf3-2.h"
> 
4,8c6,7
< #include <sys/param.h>
< #include <sys/stropts.h>
< #include <alloca.h>
< #include <sys/lc_core.h>
< #include <reg_types.h>
---
> #include "/usr/include/sys/lc_core.h"
> #include "/usr/include/reg_types.h"
11,24d9
< #define SYSTEM_TYPE "Digital UNIX V4.0"
< #define DEC_UNIX
< 
< /* This to get rid of the -X that ymakefile inserts */
< #define LD_SWITCH_SYSTEM
< 
< /* XEmacs change */
< #define GMALLOC_NEEDS_SBRK_DECL
< 
< #define _NO_MALLOC_WARNING_
< #define INTERRUPTIBLE_IO
< #define BROKEN_SIGIO
< #define HAVE_SELECT
< 
41a27
> #define SYSTEM_MALLOC

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From: Herve Poirier <Herve.Poirier@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com>
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Michael,

I had the same problem and correct it by copying the default face to the
faces I was using in the buffer I wanted to print. Then I customized these
faces without changing the background color so that when I change the
background color of the default face it changes also the background color
of all the faces copied from the default face.

I add this function in my .emacs file:

(defvar old-background-color nil)
(defun toggle-background-color ()
  (interactive)
  (cond
   (old-background-color
    (set-face-background 'default old-background-color)
    (setq old-background-color nil))
   (t
    (setq old-background-color (color-name (face-background 'default)))
    (set-face-background 'default "white"))))

and I call toggle-background-color function before and after printing.

Herv=E9

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From: Michael Connell <M.Connell@swansea.ac.uk>
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Subject: ps-print in colo(u)r
Date: 17 Sep 1996 12:00:49 +0100
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Hi, I've got a question about ps-print and faces:

Is it possible to have ps-print ignore background face colours?
The problem I have is that my faces for Cmode all have a nice grey
background, but I dont want that sent to the printer, I want all the
nice *fore*ground colours, but with a white background when I print
stuff out. Any ideas anyone? TIA.


Mike.
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There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this
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From: tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 Gnus problems
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XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme

I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
message.el at 
(easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map
  "Message Menu."
  '("Message"
   ...

After a bit of fiddling I found out that easy-menu-define doesn't like
the strings in the menu definition (e.g. "----"). If I chuck these
out, I can at least evaluate the expression.
But even with this patch, gnus hangs after having read (but not
displayed) the newspgroups from the server.

Now the reason I can exactly duplicate the error messages is that I
then tried a 'make' on the guns directory, hoping to cure it, and make
bombed out; I'll include the trace below. 
To confuse me further, the only thing I get now when trying to run gnus is 
'nnheader.el was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later'. 

Can anybody help with this conundrum? 
Thanks,
Tomaz

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
alibaba 120# make
rm -f *.elc ; emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./dgnushack.el -f dgnushack-compile
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/custom.elc
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/dgnushack.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cache.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cite.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cus.el:
  !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "browse-url"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-demon.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-edit.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-ems.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-gl.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-kill.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-mh.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-nocem.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-salt.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-scomo.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-score.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.el:
  ** assignment to free variable message-cite-function
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-soup.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-srvr.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-topic.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-uu.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-vis.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-vm.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/mailheader.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/message.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnbabyl.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndb.el:
  ** reference to free variable gnus-valid-select-methods
  ** assignment to free variable gnus-valid-select-methods
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
    nnmail-expired-article-p, nndb-request-article
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndb.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndir.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndoc.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndraft.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nneething.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnfolder.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling nnheader-mail-file-mbox-p in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheader.el:
  ** reference to free variable message-unix-mail-delimiter
While compiling the end of the data:
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
    gnus-point-at-eol, nnmail-message-id, message-remove-header
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheader.elc
While compiling the end of the data in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheaderems.el:
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined:  start-itimer,
    delete-itimer
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheaderems.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnkiboze.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmbox.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmh.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnml.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnoo.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnsoup.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnspool.elc
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nntp.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnvirtual.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))


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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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Thanks for the reply Steven.

Steven L Baur wrote:
> Mike> ;;Set up printer for postscript printing.
> Mike> (setq lpr-command "lpr")
> Mike> (setq lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg "))
> Mike> (setq ps-lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
> 
> This is a problem.  The ps-lpr-command should expect to be getting
> postscript as input.  If that's the a2ps I'm using, it converts normal
> text into postscript and (optionally) spools it to a printer.  This is
> not what you want here.
> 
> Try:
> (setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
> (setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PYourPostScriptPrinter"))
> 
> Replace YourPostScriptPrinter with the name of your local postscript
> printer.
> --

This is what I tried:
(setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '(" -p -nn"))
(setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
(setq ps-lpr-switches  '(" -PcapIIg"))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 

Which still didn't work.  I guess I'm confused as to where the
postscript input for the "ps-print-buffer" command is supposed to come
from.

Did the patch you mention consist of this change to the .emacs or is
it a patch to the ps-print.elc package?

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Could someone tell me the actual ip address of www.xemacs.org and
ftp.xemacs.org? My server doesn't seem to have them.

These addresses are the ones listed in the FAQ (as posted to this
newsgroup) so I assume it is still valid.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Wiker, Raymond writes:
 > "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:
 > > I have quit using VM because it seg faults when it makes windows. 
 > > XEmacs 19.14 seems to work fine everywhere but while using VM, which I
 > > really miss.
 > 
 > 	"Don't do that, then."
 > 
 > (setq vm-frame-per-folder nil
 >       vm-frame-per-composition nil
 >       vm-frame-per-edit nil
 >       vm-frame-per-summary nil)
 > 
 > 	//Raymond.
 > 

If this is on an HP-UX machine, then a patch was submitted to this group that
fixed the problem for us.

jim


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When I am ispelling LaTeX file (Auc-TeX) ispell
stops at things like paths for included files,
command definitions and so on. It is annoying.

I wonder whether someone made ispell skipping
some part of the file.

I've found one solution in the Usenet archive,

>From           Toby Speight <tms@ansa.co.uk>
>Organization   ANSA - APM Ltd.
>Date           30 Aug 1996 11:57:30 +0100
>Newsgroups     comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.sources
>Message-ID     <s8u3tlp2at.fsf@plato.ansa.co.uk>
>References     1

but it is to long and to complicated for me.

Regards,

Jacek Pliszka

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I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
 Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
type C-x C-c.
 But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
many times.
 Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior when there are unsaved
buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when there are shells (or other
active processes) running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with
hooks, but to no avail.
  
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                           Mark

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In article <51kmj6$lst@mark.ucdavis.edu> gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor) writes:

> Paul GABORIT (gaborit@enstimac.fr) wrote:
> 
> >Xemacs uses ToolTalk to talk with other X clients like 'Debugger' (You have
> >Xemacs for SparcWorks).
> 
> I configured XEmacs with "--with-sparcworks" option.  Could this be the
> problem?? As I understand it Eos should work with TTYs.
> 
> Also, regarding env DISPLAY, this is not set.
> 

Tooltalk is also used in CDE, for drag&drop (I think). XEmacs 19.14 has
support for CDE drag&drop (nice feature btw), so that might also be a
source of problems.

  


> Andy
> 
> --
>    +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
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>    | Department of Neurology         | FAX   - (916)452-2739          |
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>    +---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
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Hi folks, 

  since a few weeks I am really addicted to programming with xemacs
v19.14, but every now and then, my xemacs crashes completely and
unexpectedly. It does not exit or terminate, but just stays on screen,
consuming *all* CPU-usertime, and nothing more happens.

Only thing left to do is simply to:
 kill -KILL `pidof xemacs`

All this happens regardless of kernel version (at least not version
2.0.7 - 2.0.20).

I am using Linux 2.0.20 on a Cyrix 5x86-100, running XFree86 v3.1.2 with
fvwm2-95 as window-manager.

Anyone know what is causing all this ?!?!?

Thanks in advance for any info reposted, Ramses.

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> But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I
> happen to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my
> Xemacs many times.  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior
> when there are unsaved buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when
> there are shells (or other active processes) running under the
> Xemacs session? I tried playing with hooks, but to no avail.

I also would be suffering since I'd like to have the same protection.
However, I have no special hooks yet my Xemacs 19.13 never exits if I
have a subshell... IS there any chance you somehow call
save-buffers-kill-emacs with prefix?


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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> This is what I tried:
Mike> (setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
Mike> (setq lpr-switches '(" -p -nn"))
Mike> (setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
Mike> (setq ps-lpr-switches  '(" -PcapIIg"))
Mike> (setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 
Mike> Which still didn't work.

Two changes right off the bat:
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn"))
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg"))

That corrects the obvious problems.  if `capIIg' is the name of your
postscript printer, then lpr-switches should probably be:
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn" "-PcapIIg"))

The version of a2ps I have installed spools directly to the printer
when given a -P flag, presumably yours does as well.

Mike> I guess I'm confused as to where the postscript input for the
Mike> "ps-print-buffer" command is supposed to come from.

The postscript is generated by XEmacs, and fed to the `ps-lpr-command'.

Mike> Did the patch you mention consist of this change to the .emacs
Mike> or is it a patch to the ps-print.elc package?

The latter.  Try these changes first.  The settings you had wouldn't
work regardless.

Hope this helps.
-- 
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Tony Parent <tonyp@merlin.co.symbios.com> writes:

> Could someone tell me the actual ip address of www.xemacs.org and
> ftp.xemacs.org? My server doesn't seem to have them.
> 
> These addresses are the ones listed in the FAQ (as posted to this
> newsgroup) so I assume it is still valid.

I think you need to get your namesever fixed!

In any case, both are at: 128.174.252.16 which is also known as:
xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu. Of course, both are subject to change where the
www and ftp addresses are portable and should be used whenever
possible.
-- 
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I don't think xterm supports tooltalk, but if you are running CDE and your
xemacs (with the -nw flag ) is running in a dtterm you should be able to
use xemacs with debugger.

gaborit@enstimac.fr (Paul GABORIT) writes:

> 
> In article (Dans l'article) <51ha1e$kjc@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
> ajgabor@ucdavis.edu wrote (=E9crivait)=A0:
> 
> >When XEmacs-19.14 is fired up with -nw option (no windows) a warning
> >window appears with "Warning: unable to connect to ToolTalk server."
> 
> Xemacs uses ToolTalk to talk with other X clients like 'Debugger' (You ha=
ve
> Xemacs for SparcWorks).
> 
> ToolTalk ('ttsession') is running when X is running, not in terminal mode=
...
> 
> >I presume it still thinks that this is an xterm??  This is not
> >fatal but annoying - anyway to fix?
> 
> May be an option... I don't know.
> 

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Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Michael Roesler <miker@lamrc.com> writes:
> > 
> > I get tired of remembering to type C-c C-f C-r to get a "reply-to" line 
> > in VM.
> > 
> > How can I automatically get "reply-to" to be inserted in the header 
> > of a VM mail message?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     ...Mike Roesler  miker@lamrc.com
> > 
> 
> Use:
> (setq mail-default-reply-to (getenv "REPLYTO"))
> if your env variable REPLYTO is set,
> or just
> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")
> 
> which should work.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen

This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e., there is no
variable called

gnus-default-reply-to

and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO X-windows
variable. Why not? I need it.

thnx

--
rick

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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> Two changes right off the bat:
> (setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn"))
> (setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg"))

Thanks again.  I WAS able to get this to work for my machine.
Using "ps-print-buffer".
(my a2ps didn't support the "-P" option)

(setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '("-n"))
(setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
(setq ps-lpr-switches  '("-PcapIIg"))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

So my next question is why doesn't my "lpr-switches" variable
work.  I've changed it to several different options and
none seem to have any effect.  Any thoughts?
(For example, the -n should cause line numbers to be printed, which
is definitely not doing.)

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tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec) writes:

> I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
> First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
> message.el at 
> (easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map

This probably means that you have an old version of easymenu.el
installed somewhere in your load path.  `M-x locate-library RET
easymenu RET' to find the offending file.  Delete it.

> Now the reason I can exactly duplicate the error messages is that I
> then tried a 'make' on the guns directory, hoping to cure it, and make
> bombed out; I'll include the trace below. 
> To confuse me further, the only thing I get now when trying to run gnus is 
> 'nnheader.el was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later'. 

Yes, "make" will compile using Emacs, not XEmacs.  "make EMACS=xemacs"
will compile using XEmacs.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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OK this brings up an interesting point.

For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Re: matlab-mode
Date: 18 Sep 1996 13:25:27 +0200
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Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi, does anybody know how to build MATLAB mode or how to create a new
> mode for a new style file in xemacs?
> 

Check out matlab-mode, written by Matt Wette. Available at
 
 ftp://ftp.mathworks.com/pub/contrib/tools/matlab-mode.el-1.07.6

/Anders

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Hi,

This problem has actually already been posted by Holger Bauer <bauer@itsm.uni-stuttgart.de> but
no answers were received yet so I take my chance asking again.

Occasionally (I didn't manage yet to determine in which precise occasion) when checking a modified 
file in, XEmacs asks whether one wants to revert it to the file on disk or not as if one didn't 
touched the locked file.  Whatever the answer one gives to this question (which btw does not seem 
clear to me, so feel free to explain it), the recent changes are gone (actually even before 
answering the question).  This seems to be a buggy behavior of the VC package whithin XEmacs, since 
Holger is successfully running it under FSF Emacs 19.31.

Could any of you help me ?  I really like XEmacs and I'm not ready to got back to FSF Emacs just 
for this 'detail'.

Serge.

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From: Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com>
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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
 
> I have traced the problem to the presence of 'X-Face:' headers whose
> contents (the encoded picture) contains a single '"' character. My
> own X-Face has it, as well as Steven L. Baur's.

I've noticed a perhaps related problem: when I send 'X-Face'd mail to
Sun dtmail and PC eudora users, the receiving mailer core dumps or
otherwise complains.

Is X-Face rfc compliant?  Should it be gracefully ignored by?
If anyone can point me to chapter and verse on this I'd appreciate it.

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From: Johannes Link <j.link@dkfz-heidelberg.de>
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Hi!

Does anybody use or know of a Cml-mode for emacs/Xemacs?

CML ist the Concept Modelling Language of CommonKADS methodology.

Thanx in advance

Johannes
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Mark Mostow <mostow@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
> When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
> which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
>  Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
> This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
> type C-x C-c.
>  But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
> to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
> many times.
>  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior when there are unsaved
> buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when there are shells (or other
> active processes) running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with
> hooks, but to no avail.

This will not check for any subprocesses running, but it at least makes
your C-x C-c interactive.  Put this in your .emacs:

(defun els-exit ()
  "Function to ask for \"y/n\" before exiting.  This ensures we do not
accidently exit."
  (interactive)
  (if (y-or-n-p "Exit? ")
      (save-buffers-kill-emacs))
  ) 

;; Change the binding of C-x C-c, which normally exits emacs.
              ;; It's easy to hit this by mistake, and that can be annoying.
              (global-set-key "\C-x\C-c" 'els-exit)

-jeff

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In article <kigybic50ur.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
>Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:54:20 +0200
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>
>Gary Ebert (gary@duckboy.rdss.com) wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line
>> numbers along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the
>> number of the line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this
>> was possible with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(
>
>AFAIK no emacs could do that, not even vi emulations within it (try
>:set nu).
>
 

You could try this:
C-x h (to mark the region, in this case it's the buffer)
C-u M-| nl (run shell command nl on the marked bufer)

P.S. This works in Xemacs 19.13. Oh, sorry about the previous empty reply.

Van
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From: Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com>
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I have some code that makes frame-title-format buffer local, and then
sets it differently for different modes.  This is nice because my title
bar can contain more information (like directory in shell-mode, etc).  

In 19.13, this worked great.  In 19.14, the frame-title-format of one
buffer affects other frames as well.  All currently visible frames are
displayed with the frame-title-format of the selected frame.  If I move
my cursor to a different frame with a different format, then all frames
are updated with that new format.

Any ideas why this changed in 19.14?  Looks like the redisplay engine
gets the frame-title-format for the currently selected frame and uses
that value for all visible frames.  Anybody have a patch for this?

The relevant elisp looks like this:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'frame-title-format)

... In a function that tracks directory changes for shells
  (if jsh-title-bar
      (setq frame-title-format (concat host ":" dir)))

--------
Paul Furnanz                       Phone:  (503) 685-7000 (ext.1731) 
Mentor Graphics Corporation        Email:  paulf@wv.mentorg.com 

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>>>>> Jim Searle writes:

 jims> If this is on an HP-UX machine, then a patch was submitted to
 jims> this group that fixed the problem for us.

Could someone please recompile the HP binaries with the patch (I
believe it was strlen, right?) and put those on the ftp sites?  Either
that or donate a disk to me and I'll do it.


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In article <32393EB5.41C67EA6@ti.uni-trier.de>,
	Christian Stangier <stangier@ti.uni-trier.de> writes:
> I am using Xemacs 19.11.
> My problem is:
> Every time I move the cursor with the mousepointer to a new position,
> the mousepointer moves away from this position to another line in the
> text.
> 
> Is this a bug?
> Can it be avoided?
> Sorry I have no manual!

It sounds like you have mouse avoidance mode activated - it's not a bug,
but a package which stops the mouse pointer obscuring what you type. 
(I don't like it either :-)

Check your .emacs for something like:

  (cond (window-system)
    (require 'avoid)
    (mouse-avoidance-mode 'animate))

...and get rid of it.  If it's a site-wide thing (i.e everyone gets it
by default), you could switch it off with:

  (mouse-avoidance-mode 'none)

Hope I'm on the right track here.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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From: sandvik@engr.sgi.com (Kent Sandvik)
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Subject: Default Java Mode customization (cc-mode)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:26:00 -0800
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I would like to customize the default java-mode (cc-mode), as the class and
public/private/protected stack up under each other, as in:

public class Foo{
public int afield;
public void aMethod(){
  // do something
}
};

Instead I want:

public class Foo {
  public int afield;
  public void aMethod() {
     // do something
  }
}

How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the relationship between
cc-mode, c/c++ settings and java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default
settings somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
changes?


Thx, Kent



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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Subject: marking behavior
Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:45:11 -0700
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Ok, this is probably a lame question but I can't seem to figure out
the answer...

When I set a mark (with C-spc or C-@) and I do any cursor movement
except with the arrow keys it removes my mark.  For instance, I'd like
to be able to set a mark, hit C-E to go to the end of the line, and
then have the entire line marked.  Similarily, I'd like to be able to
mark words, etc. with the forward-word stuff, but every time I do a
movement command it erases the mark.

What have I got set wrong?

TIA.

-- Gary F.

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(Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
give you three ways to do it. :-)

First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)

and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
(setq lpr-switches ...)
becomes
(setq-default lpr-switches ...)

Next, you need a function like this:
(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))


This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.

For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
like:
(add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
etc.

The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local

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>>>>> "Mikel" == Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:

Mikel> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Yan Pujante wrote:
Yan> I have the following problem:

Yan> When I am editing a file with xemacs, if I modify it outside of
Yan> xemacs (for example 'touch filename'), and if I keep on editing
Yan> after, xemacs doesn't warn me about the change of the filename
Yan> until I want to save, which is quite annoying.

Yan> NB: emacs warned me as soon as I started to modify it again.

Mikel> This is the emacs normal behavior :

And should be normal XEmacs behavior as well (that's the way it works
for me on Linux 2.0).  Perhaps your XEmacs was compiled without
CLASH_DETECTION enabled?

Go to the directory where you built XEmacs and take a look at the file
src/config.h.  The one here looks something like:

#define HAVE_LONG_FILE_NAMES 1

#ifdef HAVE_LONG_FILE_NAMES
#define CLASH_DETECTION
#endif

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>>>>> "Dmitry" == Dmitry Nizhegorodov <dnizhego@us.oracle.com> writes:

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Mostow <mostow@watson.ibm.com> wrote:

Mark> But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I
Mark> happen to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed
Mark> my Xemacs many times.  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same
Mark> behavior when there are unsaved buffers. How can I make Xemacs
Mark> warn me when there are shells (or other active processes)
Mark> running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with hooks,
Mark> but to no avail.

It should be doing this by default.  Since both emacsen are exhibiting
unusual and wrong behavior I'd look for something being run in .emacs
or in your site lisp file.

Dmitry> I also would be suffering since I'd like to have the same
Dmitry> protection.  However, I have no special hooks yet my Xemacs
Dmitry> 19.13 never exits if I have a subshell... IS there any chance
Dmitry> you somehow call save-buffers-kill-emacs with prefix?

I have never liked the way save-buffers-kill-emacs works, it's just
too easy to slip and execute it by accident (even when the keybinding
is removed, alas).

I've always used a wrapper function that now looks something like:

(defadvice save-buffers-kill-emacs (around save-buffers-kill-emacs freeze)
  "Killing XEmacs is usually an unwise thing to do.
Make it just a little bit harder to do by accident."
  (interactive "P")
  (when (or (and (fboundp 'yes-or-no-p-minibuf)
		 (yes-or-no-p-minibuf "Really exit XEmacs? "))
	    (yes-or-no-p "Really exit GNU Emacs? "))
    ad-do-it))

For XEmacs 19.13 and GNU Emacs, add a
(require 'cl)
above it as well if you have not already done so.

[yes-or-no-p-minibuf is an XEmacsism to avoid the stupid dialog box
when a function is selected by mouse click]
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> (let ((custom-types-keywords '()))
>         (mapcar '(lambda (name)
>             (setq custom-types-keywords
>                                     (cons (list (concat "[ \t\n(]\\(" name "\\)[ \t\n;)]") 1 'font-lock-type-face)
>                                     custom-types-keywords)))
>                       mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types)
>         (setq mP-cc-font-lock-keywords (append custom-types-keywords
>                                                                        c++-font-lock-keywords-2)))
> 


One other problem that I've noticed is that the above doesn't
include when the new type is in delimination characters.
This is specifically a problem when something like 

   Vector<int>

where int is highlighted, but Vector isn't (unless there is
a space after the 'r', then it is).  Adding '(',')','<','>'
to the list of deliniation characters worked out just fine.

Thanks for your efforts.

Scott Nelson

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Toggling the screen elements is useful for getting more screen space.
Toggling the scrollbars or the toolbar from the default menus changes
the frame size. I don't think that it should, as the point of turning
these features off is to get more text space.

I put together the follow (some code borrowed) to fix this problem. I
bound these to the following keystrokes (all to the leftmost key of
the ones in the far upper right on the sun keyboards).

Justin


--- begin lisp code ---

(global-set-key `[(SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-eye-candy)
(global-set-key `[(control SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-toolbar)
(global-set-key `[(meta SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-scrollbar)
(global-set-key `[(SunVideoDegauss)] 'my-toggle-menubar)


;; Toggle frame elements

(defmacro my-toggle-boolean-specifier (s prefix-arg)
  (if (fboundp 'boolean-specifier-p)
      `(and
        (boundp (quote ,s))
        (boolean-specifier-p ,s)
        (set-specifier
         ,s
         (cond
          ((= ,prefix-arg 1) ; my-toggle
           (not (specifier-instance ,s)))
          ((> ,prefix-arg 1) t)
          (t nil))))
    nil))

(defmacro my-toggle-numeric-specifier (s non-zero-value prefix-arg)
  (if (fboundp 'natnum-specifier-p)
      `(and
        (boundp (quote ,s))
        (or (natnum-specifier-p  ,s)
            (integer-specifier-p ,s))
        (set-specifier
         ,s
         (cond
          ((= ,prefix-arg 1) ; my-toggle
           (if (zerop (specifier-instance ,s)) ,non-zero-value 0))
          ((> ,prefix-arg 1) ,non-zero-value)
          (t 0))))
    nil))

(defconst my-toolbar-height 3 "toolbar bar height for toggling")

(defun my-toggle-menubar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (my-toggle-boolean-specifier menubar-visible-p arg)
  (if (not (specifier-instance menubar-visible-p))
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (+ (frame-height) 1))
      )      
)

(defun my-toggle-scrollbar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
   (my-toggle-numeric-specifier scrollbar-width 15 arg)
  (my-toggle-numeric-specifier scrollbar-height 15 arg)
  (if (= (specifier-instance scrollbar-width) 0)
        (set-frame-size (window-frame) (+ (frame-width) 1) (+ (frame-height) 1))
      (set-frame-size (window-frame) (- (frame-width) 1) (- (frame-height) 1))
      )
)

(defun my-toggle-toolbar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p 
                 (not (specifier-instance default-toolbar-visible-p)))
  (if (specifier-instance default-toolbar-visible-p)
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (- (frame-height) my-toolbar-height))
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (+ (frame-height) my-toolbar-height))
      )      
)

(defun my-toggle-eye-candy (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (my-toggle-menubar arg)
  (my-toggle-toolbar arg)
;;  (my-toggle-numeric-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness 2 arg)
  (my-toggle-scrollbar arg)
  )

;;  (defun display-image-in-buffer (file)
;;    "Puts the image contained in the file in the current buffer"
;;    (interactive "f")
;;    (let ((IT (make-glyph-internal)))	;; IT, a la Stephen King
;;      (set-glyph-property IT 'image file) ;; not as in ITaly
;;      (make-annotation IT nil 'text)))


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From: Oleg Krivosheev <kriol@fnal.gov>
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Subject: Is there a vrml-[1.0|2.0] mode?
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Hi, All

is there vrml mode for (X)Emacs with indent,
syntax highlighting etc?

i've looked into the standard Emacs-19.34 distribution
adn didn't find anything.

cheers

OK

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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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Subject: Re: Some X-Face headers confuse font-lock in VM
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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
+> 
+> Recently I complained about font-lock misbehaving in VM. ..

I have a completely seperate question though it does involve font-lock
and VM.  I've got the following in my .emacs

       (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))

And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

--jp

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From: njsf@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (NELSON JOSE DOS SANTOS FERREIRA (leic))
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	Hi! 

	I browsed the XEmacs FAQ and didn't find answer to this....

	Is there any way to cache faces information used in
	ps-print  for later use (overriding lookup) ?

	The problem is I usually work on a DEC VT1300 running a
	X11R4 X server (which I could not find a way to upgrade...),
	and it fails to give accurate answers to ps-print when it is
	querying for face attributes.
	BTW it works in other X terminals so it shouldn't be installation/
	configuration problems...

	The ideia is to save the values gathered in other X terminal
	where ps-print works correctly and load this information at
	startup.

	TIA,
		Nelson

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Xemacs has crashed on me 3 times today.  It did this when I first
upgraded, stopped for a month, and then came back.  I think it may
have something to do with font-lock, fume-menu and/or VM.  

Here's the console ouput:
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7041 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7210 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7361 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 

I'm running the following system:

SunOS lucy 5.5 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-5

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From: Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>
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Subject: Q: Prompt for printer name
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:10:45 -0700
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Hi folks,

is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
a buffer.

Thanks,
Slava
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From: Ryan Watkins <vamp@shellx.best.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Is there a vrml-[1.0|2.0] mode?
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:29:46 -0700
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Oleg Krivosheev <kriol@fnal.gov> writes:

> is there vrml mode for (X)Emacs with indent,
> syntax highlighting etc?
> 
> i've looked into the standard Emacs-19.34 distribution
> adn didn't find anything.

There is in XEmacs 19.14, courtesy Ben Wing.

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From: neely@motherlode.llnl.gov (Rob Neely)
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>When I use gdb under xemacs (19.13), 
>the ^C^C, i.e. gdb-control-c-subjob, which should interrupt the C
>process by sending a control-C, does not work. Even if I try M-x
>gdb-control-c-subjob, still no effect...

I've had the same problem - but always use the pop-up menu in the gdb
frame (mouse-3).  That seems to work fine for me.

--Rob

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: frame-title-format problems w/multiple frames in 19.14
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com> writes:

Paul> Any ideas why this changed in 19.14?  Looks like the redisplay engine
Paul> gets the frame-title-format for the currently selected frame and uses
Paul> that value for all visible frames.  Anybody have a patch for this?

This is a bug that should be fixed in 19.15.  In the meantime, if your
are sufficiently clever and determined, you can put variable names
into the (global) frame-title-format, and those variables can have
buffer-local values.
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[The first copy got munged by the Netscape INN server, thank you Netscape!]

(Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
give you three ways to do it. :-)

First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)

and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
(setq lpr-switches ...)
becomes
(setq-default lpr-switches ...)

Next, you need a function like this:
(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))


This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.

For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
like:
(add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
etc.

The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local
[Netscape bug fodder]...) from .emacs, change the setq-default back to
setq, and modify my-set-lpr-switches to read:

(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

Both of these methods will work with any Emacs back to Emacs v18.

Here's another way to do it without all the add-hooks.  This method
also works with GNU Emacs 19.34.

Add to .emacs:
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)

And add the single hook:
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)

And use the first version of my-set-lpr-switches.

The `change-major-mode-hook' is run every time a major mode is set on
a buffer (it's actually when (kill-all-local-variables) is executed,
but is effectively the same thing).

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i can access 2 nntp servers: one is the other side of the campus, one
is in Pisa, 400km from here

our server is fast, or at least is fast our connection, but it is a
bit unreliable, especially when posting: several times it did not
propagate an article i posted (no, i'd prefer not to speak to the guys
that administer the server)

Pisa server, otherwise, is rather slow, but very reliable

in the best of worlds that i can afford, i'd use the campus server to
read news, and Pisa server to post

is it possible to configure gnus to perform as i request?

thanks in advance, ciao
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> (Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
> >>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
> Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
> Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
> Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.
> 
> Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
> give you three ways to do it. :-)
> 
> First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
> probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:
> 
> (make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)
> 
> and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
> (setq lpr-switches ...)
> becomes
> (setq-default lpr-switches ...)
> 
> Next, you need a function like this:
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
>     (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches)=
)))
> 
> 
> This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
> lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
> not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.
> 
> For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
> like:
> (add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> etc.
> 
> The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
> you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local

I think it would be even better to rewrite lpr-buffer so it accepts more
generic arguments in the lpr-switches list. For example, if a switch is a
symbol, evaluate it as a function. If it is a string, insert it
unchanged. (This approach is used in ps-print. See the documentation of
ps-left-header) 

It would then be possible to define lpr-command/lpr-switches as

(setq lpr-command "filep")
(setq lpr-switches '("-d" "inge" "-s" buffer-name))

/Anders

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>>>>> "JP" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

  JP> "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
  JP> +> 
  JP> +> Recently I complained about font-lock misbehaving in VM. ..

  JP> I have a completely seperate question though it does involve font-lock
  JP> and VM.  I've got the following in my .emacs

  JP>     (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))

  JP> And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
  JP> It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

VM does-not use font-lock for its hiliting but a package called
highlight-headers

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: random idea for 19.16 (15?)

XEmacs is often praised for the ease of use the toolbar provides

today, to access the toolbar i need a full emacs frame, but many tasks
that are done using the toolbar are not related to the buffer
currently shown in that frame

i propose that when i iconify/kill the last visible frame, XEmacs pops
up a little window, with its logo and the toolbar icons that trigger
actions not related to a specific buffer, like find-file, dired, vm,
gnus, info, etc, a bit like this (just substitute logo/bitmaps for
words

   +----+----+----+----+----+----+
   | XE |File|Dir |Mail|News|Info|
   +----+----+----+----+----+----+

i know that the equivalent behaviour could be attained using gnulient
and any decent window manager, and indeed i do... but it could be nice
"for the rest of us"

comments?

ciao
					gb

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If I run the following:

/usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13 -q -l .emacs-not-there -font 8x16
/usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 -q -l .emacs-not-there -font 8x16

I get completely different font sizes in 19.13 and 19.14.  If I pull
down the options menu, both version of Xemacs think they are using
fixed font with size 12.  But 19.14 is too small for me to read when
running on a smaller monitor.

Can anyone tell me what is different between the two?

Thanks,
--jp

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gnuserv used to run fine, about one week ago. I'm using the binary
distrib of xemacs 19.14 for sunos4.1.3, running on a Sparc 10. 
Even with no .emacs file, and told to ignore global .emacs inits, 
it dies. I made one mod to cmacexp.el, but I don't think that was it.
Our sysadmins did some major filesystem maintenance over the weekend
that it broke, but I'm at a loss for why that should make a difference.

Here's the dump (in reverse order):
Server subprocess exited
Loading gnuserv...done
Loading gnuserv...
Loading cl-extra...done
Loading cl-extra...

uname -a: SunOS jupiter 4.1.4 1 sun4m
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Fri Jun 28 1996 on gold

I can't stand not having gnuclient working! Thanks for any assistance,
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(recent v* convert, love that viper).

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>>>>> "KS" == Kent Sandvik <sandvik@engr.sgi.com> writes:

    KS> How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the
    KS> relationship between cc-mode, c/c++ settings and
    KS> java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default settings
    KS> somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
    KS> changes?

There is a separate "java" style that is applied automatically when
you enter java-mode.  The best thing to do is to probably just
override the couple of default settings of that style in your
java-mode-hook, by using c-set-offset.

-Barry

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Date: 19 Sep 1996 19:33:02 +0200
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References: <vzsp8o4ym7.fsf@harvard.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
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Regarding getting a reply-to line in VM mail messages, it was suggested to:

> Use:
> (setq mail-default-reply-to (getenv "REPLYTO"))
> if your env variable REPLYTO is set,
> or just
> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")
> 

This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e., there is no
variable called

gnus-default-reply-to

and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO X-windows
variable. Why not? I need it.

thnx

--
rick

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-- 

I'm trying to build Xemacs-19.14 on a Digital UNIX V4.0A platform. I
have seen Michel Jouvin's postings about the getopt.c compilation
problems and the 'all: :' and '.el c' problems in the Makefiles.
(Merci beaucoup, Michel !!).

But, even after all of that, I keep getting a nastygram from 'make'
saying that in src/Makefile, I'm missing a separator on line 50.
This appears to be the line after a horrendously long line that
has all of the lisp modules delineated. When I try to edit the Makefile
under vi, it barfs because the line is more than 2048 characters long.
The CDE text editor fares slightly better, but it's unclear to me
what make is complaining about, unless it's simply that the line is
too long for make as it is for vi.

Can anyone offer some hints on how to make this Makefile slightly
more palatable? Can/Should I try to break the lisp line into smaller
chunks by defining new variables and then combining them or will that
break something? (The README's and other documents seem to imply that
the way those modules are stuck together is fairly critical; I'm not
familiar enough with this stuff to judge - I just want to use Xemacs!).

Thanks,

Bayard
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Subject: Q: How to build a purified version of XEmacs
From: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
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Every now and then, my XEmacs chrashes for no obvious reasons. Worse
yet, gdb sometimes doesn't show a backtrace but comes up with a
`cannot access memory at address xxx' message.

To track down the problem, I tried to build a purified version, which
didn't work. The output of

  rm src/[tx]emacs; make CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' >& make-log 

is quite lengthy (~400K), so here comes only the best of.

Environment:

        OS:      sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1
        XEmacs:  19.14
        gcc:     CYGNUS 2.7-96q3
        gdb:     CYGNUS 4.15.2-96q3
	purify:  4.0-beta-L3

If somebody wants to see the complete log, core files, temacs.pv, etc,
just drop me a mail.

Ciao
	Oliver
----------------------------------------------------------------------
make: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14'
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
cd lwlib; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd dynodump; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
cd src; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src'
cd ../lwlib; /usr/progressive/bin/make --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -I /home/flabes/common/make -- MAKE=/usr/progressive/bin/make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd ../dynodump; /usr/progressive/bin/make --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -I /home/flabes/common/make -- MAKE=/usr/progressive/bin/make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc -g -O      -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/dt/lib  -L/usr/openwin/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib  -L /usr/ccs/lib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  ` -R /usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R /usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib  	      	  -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o 	callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o 	cmds.o console.o console-stream.o 	data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o 	doprnt.o dynarr.o 	editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o 	event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o 	faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o 	frame.o 	general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o  	hash.o 	indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o 	keymap.o 	lread.o lstream.o 	macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o   	    	objects.o opaque.o 	print.o process.o profile.o pure.o 	rangetab.o   redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o 	scrol!
 lbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o sunplay.o  specifier.o 	strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o 	toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  	undo.o unexsol2.o  	console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o    	window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        /usr/demo/SOUND/lib/libaudio.a        	  -llw -lXm -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11       	-lsocket -lnsl -lkvm -lelf -lgen -ldl    -ltermlib      	-lgdbm        -lm    	 
Purify 4.0-beta-L3 of 19:57 Tue 20 Aug 96 Solaris 2, Copyright (C) 1992-1996 Pure Software Inc. All rights reserved. 
Instrumenting: libgcc.a....
Purify engine: While processing file /usr/cygnus/progressive-96q3/H-sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1/2.7-96q3/libgcc.a(_bb.o):
Warning: Found untested reloc type R_SPARC_GOT10 at location 0x12c4 (section 1),
apparently pointing to offset 0xfffffff8.

  [snip]

.......................................... libgcc.a....
Purify engine: Warning: Found untested reloc type R_SPARC_GOT10 at location 0x12c4 (section 1),
apparently pointing to offset 0xfffffff8.

  [snip]

.......................................... data17408common_defs.o Linking
ld: warning: symbol `ProbBuf' has differing types:
	(file /usr/local/pure/purify/cache/usr/local/lib/libcompface_pure_p9_c0_108201957_551.a(uncompface.o) type=NOTY; file /tmp/data17408common_defs_pure_p9_c0_108201957.o type=OBJT);
	/tmp/data17408common_defs_pure_p9_c0_108201957.o definition taken

  [ big snip]

EMACSLOADPATH="/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413 at Thu Sep 19 19:26:00 1996)
  * Purify 4.0-beta-L3 of 19:57 Tue 20 Aug 96 Solaris 2, Copyright (C) 1992-1996 Pure Software Inc. All rights reserved. 
  * For contact information type: "purify -help"
  * Command-line: ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump 
  * Options settings: -purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no \
    -purify-home=/usr/local/pure/purify 
  * PureLA: Purify license expires 27-Sep-1996.
  * Purify licensed to Purify Evaluation User
  * Purify checking enabled.

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
Loading subr...
Loading replace...
Loading version.el...
Loading cl...
Loading cl-defs...
Loading cmdloop...
Loading keymap...
Loading syntax...
Loading device...
Loading console...
Loading obsolete...
Loading specifier...
Loading faces...
Loading glyphs...
Loading objects...
Loading extents...
Loading events...
Loading text-props...
Loading process...
Loading frame...
Loading map-ynp...
Loading simple...
Loading keydefs...
Loading abbrev...
Loading derived...
Loading minibuf...
Loading list-mode...
Loading modeline...
Loading loaddefs...
Loading misc...
Loading profile...
Loading help...
Loading files...
Loading lib-complete...
Loading format...
Loading indent...
Loading isearch-mode...
Loading buffer...
Loading buff-menu...
Loading undo-stack...
Loading window...
Loading paths.el...
Loading startup...
Loading lisp...
Loading page...
Loading register...
Loading iso8859-1...
Loading paragraphs...
Loading lisp-mode...
Loading text-mode...
Loading fill...
Loading cc-mode...
Loading float-sup...
Loading itimer...
Loading toolbar...
Loading scrollbar...
Loading menubar...
Loading dialog...
Loading gui...
Loading mode-motion...
Loading mouse...
Loading x-menubar...
Loading x-faces...
Loading x-iso8859-1...
Loading x-mouse...
Loading x-select...
Loading x-scrollbar...
Loading x-misc...
Loading x-init...
Loading x-toolbar...
Loading tty-init...
Loading vc-hooks...
Loading ediff-hook...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635936 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12641   101128  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7676   205332  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
   byte-code strings:       1670   105644  17%
   byte-constant vectors:   1670    74648  12%
   interactive strings:      298     5888   1%
   documentation strings:      0        0   0%
   other function strings:  1868    60664  10%
   other vectors:            259     6932   1%
   other strings:            526    22088   3%
   all strings:            12038   399616  63%
   all vectors:             1929    81580  13%
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	Fgarbage_collect [alloc.o]
	report_pure_usage [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 5008 bytes from 0xefffdfc7.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffdff8
  * Address 0xefffdfc7 is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.


Impurities:
   conses used:                      8728
   conses free:                      5042
   cons storage:                   110376
   symbols used:                     7546
   symbol storage:                 181916
   vectors used:                      651
   vectors total length:            46058
   vector storage:                 189440
   short strings used:               2644
   strings free:                     3635
   short strings total length:      39493
   short string storage:            57344
   string header storage:           75628
   floats used:                         2
   floats free:                         9
   float storage:                    2040
   markers used:                       34
   markers free:                        2
   marker storage:                   2044
   extents used:                       16
   extent storage:                   2048
   symbol value lisp magics used:      23
   symbol value lisp magic storage:  1564
   symbol value varaliases used:       42
   symbol value varalias storage:    1008
   opaque lists used:                   2
   opaque list storage:                48
   opaques used:                        4
   opaque storage:                     96
   color instances used:                1
   color instance storage:             24
   font instances used:                 1
   font instance storage:              36
   range tables used:                   1
   range table storage:                16
   faces used:                         24
   face storage:                     1824
   glyphs used:                        17
   glyph storage:                     680
   specifiers used:                   345
   specifier storage:               19815
   weak lists used:                   345
   weak list storage:                8280
   buffers used:                        6
   buffer storage:                   1656
   extent infos used:                   4
   extent info storage:                80
   consoles used:                       3
   console storage:                   300
   command builders used:               1
   command builder storage:            56
   keymaps used:                      146
   keymap storage:                   6424
   devices used:                        1
   device storage:                    176
   frames used:                         1
   frame storage:                     212
   image instances used:                1
   image instance storage:             64
   windows used:                        2
   window storage:                    688
   lcrecord lists used:                13
   lcrecord list storage:             312
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	report_pure_usage [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 4616 bytes from 0xefffe14f.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffe180
  * Address 0xefffe14f is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.


****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	disksave_object_finalization [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 4288 bytes from 0xefffe297.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffe2c8
  * Address 0xefffe297 is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
ABW: Array bounds write:
  * This is occurring while in:
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Writing 4 bytes to 0x6e75f8 in the heap.
  * Address 0x6e75f8 is 1 byte past end of a malloc'd block at 0x6e7428 of 464 bytes.
  * This block was allocated from:
	malloc         [rtlib.o]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
MSE: Memory segment error:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	xlate          [xlate.c]
	wrt            [update.c]
	elf_update     [libelf.so.1]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Attempt to read or write Purify's private data variables.
    Addressing 0x278158 for 143930 bytes ending at 0x29b392.

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
FMR: Free memory read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	xlate          [xlate.c]
	wrt            [update.c]
	elf_update     [libelf.so.1]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 3596316 bytes from 0x3abfe4 in the heap (12356 bytes at 0x3abfe4 illegal).

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
ABW: Array bounds write:
  * This is occurring while in:
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Writing 4 bytes to 0x5f1208 in the heap.
  * Address 0x5f1208 is 1 byte past end of a malloc'd block at 0x5f1028 of 480 bytes.
  * This block was allocated from:
	malloc         [rtlib.o]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
COR: Fatal core dump:
  * This is occurring while in:
	*unknown func* [pc=0x6ff50f0c]
	update_reloc   [dynodump.so]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Received signal 11 (SIGSEGV - Segmentation Fault)
  * Faulting address = 0x6ff50f0c
  * Signal mask: (SIGSEGV) 
  * Pending signals: 
Segmentation Fault - core dumped
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 139
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2
make: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14'

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In article <t8ranz8g2y.fsf@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>,
	Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
>a buffer.
>
>Thanks,
>Slava
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I wrote this little number a while back.  It allows you to set the -P
flag in the lpr-switches without getting your hands dirty.

;;
;; Quick way to set the current printer
(defun set-printer (printer-name &rest other-flags)
  "Set the printer flag in the lpr-switches variable.
The optional parameter 'other-flags' specifies other flags to add to the
existing lpr-switches."
  (interactive "_sPrinter name: ")
  (let ((printerflag (cons (concat "-P" printer-name) nil)))
    (setq lpr-switches
	  (delq nil
		(append
		 (mapcar
		  (lambda (ELM)
		    (if (stringp ELM)
			(if (string-equal (substring ELM 0 2) "-P")
			    (prog1 (car printerflag) (setq printerflag nil))
			  ELM)
		      nil))
		  lpr-switches)
		 printerflag
		 ;; The printerflag will be nil if it was found in the string,
		 ;; otherwise, it is a list containing the string.
		 other-flags))
	  ))
  (message "New value of lpr-switches: %S" lpr-switches)
  lpr-switches
  )

;;
;; This helps for setting the lpr-switches using 'set-variable'.

(put 'lpr-switches 'variable-interactive
     "_xList of switch strings to pass to lpr: ")

Once this is installed, you could also do this:

(fset 'original-lpr-buffer (symbol-function 'lpr-buffer))
(defun lpr-buffer () "Print buffer contents, but set the printer name first."
  (interactive)
  (call-interactively 'set-printer)
  (call-interactively 'original-lpr-buffer))

Enjoy.

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Hi!

Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
Xemacs.

Thanx in advance.

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Lei| Hi!

Lei| Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
Lei| example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
Lei| Xemacs.

You can do 

M-x load-file 

then  it comes up with  a "Load file:" prompt  where  you can input your
filename.


Regards,
Paramesh


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Is there a function that marks a region with the message-yank-prefix?
This would behave somewhat like comment-region does but insert the
message-yank-prefix instead of the comment for the given mode.

Thanks,
--jp

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From: Lars Hecking <lhecking@carlow.nmrc.ucc.ie>
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Subject: Re: {Q}: How to reload .emacs w/o exiting Xemacs?
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Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:

   Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
   example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
   Xemacs.

What's wrong with M-x load-file ~/.emacs?

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See the variables 'message-required-mail-headers' and
'message-required-mail-headers', which you can set to something like
the following:

(setq-default message-required-mail-headers
	      '(From (Reply-to . "you@your.domain") Subject Date
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> (Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
> Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
> Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
> Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.
> 
> Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
> give you three ways to do it. :-)
> 

... delete delete delete ...

> The `change-major-mode-hook' is run every time a major mode is set on
> a buffer (it's actually when (kill-all-local-variables) is executed,
> but is effectively the same thing).
> 
> -- 
> steve@miranova.com baur

This is cool thanks Steve, Eric and Anders.

I used Steve's last idea and here is what my code looks like in .emacs.

;;Note this will pass a buffer through a the a2ps filter.
;;a2ps takes a text file and wraps it with page numbers 
;;file names and dates.  The version of a2ps that I use is 4.25a
;;Note I compiled a2ps to auto send to a printer defined
;;by the env vars LPDEST and PRINTER.  
;;(Solaris apps are brain dead some us PRINTER some use LPDEST)
(setq lpr-command "/u/daku/bin/a2ps")
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(defun my-set-lpr-switches()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
(setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

===========
A note with this solution you can not use buffer-name.  It will confict with
too much of XEmacs.

This works very well indeed.  I'm a lisp moron and I even understand it.

However I must concure with Anders about making the changes to ps-print
so that we can pass a function for evaluation.  This would really give us 
a lot of flexability.  Maybe a 19.15 or 20.0 feature for Xemacs. :)

P.S. I must extend my appreciation to Steve for being such a sport with
regards to my continuing and never ending posts about trival stuff.
One of these days I'll learn lisp.  (Still can't believe I haven't yet)
Again Thanks Steve.

Completely off topic.
At first I was sad to see a note about the news being trampled by Netscape.
Steve using Netscape as a news reader??  (My faith in you was temporaryly lost)
Then I reread your post, I was glad to see that it was a netscape back end INN
server that did it to you and not Gnus.

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>>>>> "Paramesh" == Paramesh Padmanabhan <paramesh@ikos.com> writes:

Lei> Hi!

Lei> Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
Lei> example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the
Lei> current Xemacs.

Paramesh> You can do 

Paramesh> M-x load-file 

Paramesh> then it comes up with a "Load file:" prompt where you can
Paramesh> input your filename.

Technically correct in one sense, but ...

The complete answer is, in general, no you cannot.  The problem is
that many of initializations commonly done will not work correctly if
done twice (ie. if you have based your .emacs on the sample.emacs
included with XEmacs, it should not be loaded twice in the same
session).

Just off the top of my head, and not a complete list:

1.  Certain customizations to font-lock can *only* be done before
    font-lock is loaded.  You must restart XEmacs in this case.

2.  Tests to detect the presence of other XEmacs sessions will
    probably fail.  You can probably ignore these.

3.  Statements of the form:
(setq load-path (cons "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path))
will lose and put the directory in the load path again.  You must
instead do something like:
(if (null (member "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path)))
But if you change that directory, the previous version will remain in
the load-path.

4.  Any statements of the form `(load "some-library")' will probably
    not work the way you expect them to.

5.  If you are advising functions (like the example I posted yesterday
    over save-buffers-kill-emacs) you *must not* advise them twice, or
    you will lose.

6.  Anything having to do with gnuserv will probably lose on a second
    reload.

7.  If you are creating new buffer-local variables, or are setting
    defaults for buffer-local variables, any changes take place only
    for new buffers -- existing ones are left alone.

8.  You cannot undo making a variable buffer-local.


I'd advise against the idea, but I know my own .emacs is not
reloadable.

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>>>>> "NELSON" == NELSON JOSE DOS SANTOS FERREIRA (leic) <njsf@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt> writes:

NELSON> Hi! 

NELSON> I browsed the XEmacs FAQ and didn't find answer to this....

NELSON> Is there any way to cache faces information used in
NELSON> ps-print  for later use (overriding lookup) ?

You can turn this off by setting ps-auto-font-detect to nil, but that
does not answer your question.  The ps-build-face-reference
ps-always-build-face-reference don't appear to be much help either.

There's no option for it, so it would have to be coded as an extension
to ps-print.
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")

Rick> This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e.,
Rick> there is no variable called

Rick> gnus-default-reply-to

Rick> and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO
Rick> X-windows variable. Why not? I need it.

(setq message-default-headers "Reply-To: miker@lamrc.com\n")
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All of a sudden vm and rmail stopped working.  Here is the back trace
from rmail:
Signalling: (file-error "Renaming" "permission denied"
"/var/spool/mail/kinge" 
"/var/spool/mail/kinge+")
  rename-file("/var/spool/mail/kinge" "/var/spool/mail/kinge+" nil)
  rmail-insert-inbox-text(("~/mbox" "/var/spool/mail/kinge") t)
  rmail-get-new-mail()
  #<compiled-function (from "rmail.elc") (&optional file-name-arg)
"...(147)" 
[string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version require rmail-lucid
rmail-last-file 
expand-file-name "~/xmail" file-name-arg rmail-file-name file-name
get-file-buffer 
existed verify-visited-file-modtime nil enable-local-variables
find-file major-mode 
rmail-mode rmail-forget-messages rmail-set-message-counters
rmail-edit-mode error   "Exit Rmail Edit mode before getting new
mail." buffer-size 0   

  call-interactively(rmail)
  command-execute(rmail t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)

I'm using Xemacs 19.14.  What's going on?  Elm works fine.
















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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: printing under xemacs (19.14)
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

Anders> I think it would be even better to rewrite lpr-buffer so it
Anders> accepts more generic arguments in the lpr-switches list. For
Anders> example, if a switch is a symbol, evaluate it as a
Anders> function. If it is a string, insert it unchanged. (This
Anders> approach is used in ps-print. See the documentation of
Anders> ps-left-header)

Anders> It would then be possible to define lpr-command/lpr-switches as

Anders> (setq lpr-command "filep")
Anders> (setq lpr-switches '("-d" "inge" "-s" buffer-name))

There is an extremely powerful package called advice.el already
provided in XEmacs to help out in situations like this.  A quick look
through lpr.el shows that all roads lead to print-region-1.  Wrap a
little bit of code around it like this:

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))


With this in place you can say something like:

(setq lpr-switches '(static-printer-options dynamic-printer-options "-Plw"))
(setq static-printer-options '("-p" "-1"))
(defun dynamic-printer-options ()
  ;; code to be executed just prior to printing
  ;; Should return a string, or list of strings
)
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Slava" == Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:

Slava> Hi folks,

Slava> is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name
Slava> before printing a buffer.

Yes it is.  The easiest way to do it is with the function I just
posted (repeated here since it's short).

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))

Now add code like this:
(setq lpr-switches '(sk-prompt-for-printer))
;; Adjust this to match what printers you have installed on your system.
(setq printer-list '(("epson" 1) ("lw" 2) ("raw" 3) ("hp" 4)))

(defun sk-prompt-for-printer ()
  (let ((printer (completing-read "Printer name: " printer-list nil t)))
    (concat "-P" printer)))

-- 
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boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> in the best of worlds that i can afford, i'd use the campus server to
> read news, and Pisa server to post

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "campus"))
(setq gnus-post-method '(nntp "pisa"))

Or something like that.  See the manual for details.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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Subject: gnuclient doesn't pop Xemacs 19.14 to the front??
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	I downloaded and installed xemacs-19.14-powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0, and
gnuclient no longer works like it used to in 19.13.  I used to use the
GNU_SECURE operation and everything worked fine, but now gnuclient -h <host>
always refuses the connection.  Doing gnuclient on the local machine works
fine (as long as you don't explicitly specify it with -h or GNU_HOST), so for
now I'm using remsh to the machine XEmacs is running on as a substitute for
the -h parameter.

	Also, I use (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame)) so I won't get a new
frame for the buffer, and one behavior of 19.13 I absolutely loved and came to
rely on was that gnuclient would cause XEmacs to de-iconify if necessary, then
pop in front of other windows in the workspace.  Unfortunately 19.14 doesn't
do this any more, and I'm constantly typing in the wrong window because I'm
used to the XEmacs window automatically moving to the front and has thus
attaining keyboard focus.  I thought perhaps there'd be a variable to control
this behavior and the default had just changed, but I couldn't find one...

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Posting-frequency: monthly (on or about the 19th)
Last-modified: Sep 10 09:14 PST 1996
URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html

[Lars has done a lot of work on Red Gnus.  Expect that release to once
again, redefine Mail and Newsreading As We Know It.  -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 5 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on September 10, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version?
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?
          + Q1.5 I get weird messages when running under XEmacs 19.13.
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server? [New!]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.1 Custom doesn't work under XEmacs
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't [New!]
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [New!]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible?
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus?

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need?

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.13 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?

   Upgrade to XEmacs 19.13. In earlier versions of XEmacs this file was
   placed with Gnus 4.1.3, but that has been corrected.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.5 When I run Gnus on XEmacs 19.13 I get weird error messages.

   You're running an old version of Gnus. Upgrade to at least version
   5.0.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?

   The basic answer is to byte-compile under XEmacs, and then you can run
   under either Emacsen. There is, however, a potential version problem
   with easymenu.el with Gnu Emacs prior to 19.29.
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes :
   The internal easymenu.el interface changed between 19.28 and 19.29 in
   order to make it possible to create byte compiled files that can be
   shared between Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. The change is upward compatible,
   but not downward compatible. This gives the following compatibility
   table:

Compiled with:  | Can be used with:
----------------+--------------------------------------
19.28           | 19.28         19.29
19.29           |               19.29           XEmacs
XEmacs          |               19.29           XEmacs

   If you have Gnu Emacs 19.28 or earlier, or XEmacs 19.12 or earlier,
   get a recent version of auc-menu.el from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/pub/emacs-lisp/auc-menu.el> and install it
   under the name easymenu.el somewhere early in your load path.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work

   Is Gnus in your load-path?
   
   Patrick LoPresti <patl@lcs.mit.edu > writes :
   Note that this is not a bug in either Gnus or Mailcrypt; you cannot
   expect any file to byte-compile correctly if required packages are not
   in your load path. (Or, worse, if a completely different version of
   the package is in the load path at compile-time than at run-time.)
   
   Moreover, this need is documented in the Mailcrypt INSTALL file, so
   the problem is really just a failure to follow directions...
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .gnus file.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?

   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1 Custom Edit does not work under XEmacs

   Please upgrade to Gnus 5.2, where it does work.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Do you call define-key or something like that in one of the summary
   mode hooks? This would force Emacs to recalculate the keyboard
   shortcuts.
   
   Removing the call should speed up M-x gnus-summary-mode RET by a
   couple of orders of magnitude. You can use

        (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map KEY COMMAND)

   in your .gnus instead.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?

   The Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potorti` <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes: Just use C-u SPC or C-u
   RET for entering the group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Ok. I'll be adding a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable
   to match groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there
   are unread articles in the groups or not. I'll also be adding a
   visible group parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com> writes:

Gary> Ok, this is probably a lame question but I can't seem to figure
Gary> out the answer...

The only lame questions are unasked questions ...

Gary> When I set a mark (with C-spc or C-@) and I do any cursor
Gary> movement except with the arrow keys it removes my mark.  For
Gary> instance, I'd like to be able to set a mark, hit C-E to go to
Gary> the end of the line, and then have the entire line marked.
Gary> Similarily, I'd like to be able to mark words, etc. with the
Gary> forward-word stuff, but every time I do a movement command it
Gary> erases the mark.

Gary> What have I got set wrong?

I don't know and that's pretty odd behavior.  What kind of stuff are
you loading in .emacs?

What is the value of the variable `zmacs-regions'?

The basic technique for debugging problems of this nature are to start
XEmacs with the -q flag and verify the state of things with no
customization, and then enable pieces of your .emacs until you find
the location where you're doing something wrong.

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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> Is there a function that marks a region with the
J> message-yank-prefix?  This would behave somewhat like
J> comment-region does but insert the message-yank-prefix instead of
J> the comment for the given mode.

SuperCite has a function which pretty much does that:
sc-recite-region:
Recite a region delineated by START and END.
First runs `sc-pre-recite-hook'.

You might also try a quick and dirty hack like this:
(defun jps-cite-region ()
  (interactive)
  (when (region-exists-p)
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region (region-beginning) (region-end))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-regexp "^" message-yank-prefix))))


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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> It sounds like you have mouse avoidance mode activated - it's not
Des> a bug, but a package which stops the mouse pointer obscuring what
Des> you type.  (I don't like it either :-)

Mouse avoidance mode doesn't work at all in more recent versions of
XEmacs.  Since mouse pointer warping is inherently sinful, this
doesn't seem to bother me. :-)
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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Crampton <eric@ecrampto.async.vt.edu> writes:

Eric> I frequently use XEmacs in tty mode under Linux to edit C++
Eric> code. The problem I have is that the syntax highlighting colors
Eric> seem too dark to me. The darker red, green, and blue colors used
Eric> for strings, comments, etc. would, to me, look better in the
Eric> brighter versions.

Eric> How can I change this?

Try editing the faces in the Options->Edit Faces... buffer, available
off the menubar.   Be sure to select Options->Save Options to keep
them.  Also examine the code in the sample.emacs (Help->Sample .emacs).
The sample.emacs provided with XEmacs is a wonderful basis to start
your own customizations.

Eric> And, more generally, in the future when I have a specific task
Eric> to accomplish such as this, where should I look in the XEmacs
Eric> code to help me out? I always check the FAQ, but a lot of what I
Eric> want to do isn't there (I guess I'm unique!).

Check all available menus, gain some familiarity with the apropos or
hyper-apropos command (a huge number of questions asked in this
newsgroup can be answered by performing those two steps alone).
`C-h C-f' can look things up in the Lisp manual.  The Describe
Function (C-h f) and Describe Variable (C-h v) commands can be useful
as well.

If you're trying to figure out how something works, M-x grep for it in
the XEmacs lisp directory to see how other Lisp code is calling it.

A very good way to learn is to scan the emacs Usenet newsgroups and
attempt to figure out other people's questions.  One can learn a
surprising amount of things that way. :-)

Good luck.
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>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:

Tony> I've noticed a perhaps related problem: when I send 'X-Face'd
Tony> mail to Sun dtmail and PC eudora users, the receiving mailer
Tony> core dumps or otherwise complains.

Tony> Is X-Face rfc compliant?  Should it be gracefully ignored by?
Tony> If anyone can point me to chapter and verse on this I'd
Tony> appreciate it.

Yes it is.  Any mailer that doesn't display it should ignore it
gracefully.  Any other behavior is a bug.

>From RFC822:

     optional-field =
                 /  "Message-ID"        ":"   msg-id
                 /  "Resent-Message-ID" ":"   msg-id
                 /  "In-Reply-To"       ":"  *(phrase / msg-id)
                 /  "References"        ":"  *(phrase / msg-id)
                 /  "Keywords"          ":"  #phrase
                 /  "Subject"           ":"  *text
                 /  "Comments"          ":"  *text
                 /  "Encrypted"         ":" 1#2word
                 /  extension-field              ; To be defined
                 /  user-defined-field           ; May be pre-empted

 ...

     extension-field =
                   <Any field which is defined in a document
                    published as a formal extension to this
                    specification; none will have names beginning
                    with the string "X-">
 ...
     4.7.4.  EXTENSION-FIELD

             A limited number of common fields have  been  defined  in
        this  document.   As  network mail requirements dictate, addi-
        tional fields may be standardized.   To  provide  user-defined
        fields  with  a  measure  of  safety,  in name selection, such
        extension-fields will never have names  that  begin  with  the
        string "X-".

             Names of Extension-fields are registered with the Network
        Information Center, SRI International, Menlo Park, California.

     4.7.5.  USER-DEFINED-FIELD

             Individual users of network mail are free to  define  and
        use  additional  header  fields.   Such fields must have names
        which are not already used in the current specification or  in
        any definitions of extension-fields, and the overall syntax of
        these user-defined-fields must conform to this specification's
        rules   for   delimiting  and  folding  fields.   Due  to  the
        extension-field  publishing  process,  the  name  of  a  user-
        defined-field may be pre-empted

        Note:  The prefatory string "X-" will never  be  used  in  the
               names  of Extension-fields.  This provides user-defined
               fields with a protected set of names.




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>>>>> "Ramses" == Ramses Rodenburg <R.Rodenburg@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:

Ramses> Hi folks, 

Ramses>   since a few weeks I am really addicted to programming with xemacs
Ramses> v19.14, but every now and then, my xemacs crashes completely
Ramses> and unexpectedly. It does not exit or terminate, but just
Ramses> stays on screen, consuming *all* CPU-usertime, and nothing
Ramses> more happens.

Ramses> Only thing left to do is simply to:
Ramses>  kill -KILL `pidof xemacs`

Ramses> All this happens regardless of kernel version (at least not version
Ramses> 2.0.7 - 2.0.20).

Ramses> I am using Linux 2.0.20 on a Cyrix 5x86-100, running XFree86
Ramses> v3.1.2 with fvwm2-95 as window-manager.

Ramses> Anyone know what is causing all this ?!?!?

One thing to be aware of on Linux, XEmacs is just as good as a kernel
compile in triggering odd signal 11 behavior if you have bad cache or
memory.

The next time it happens, get a system call trace by doing
strace -p `pidof xemacs`
that might provide some better clues.

You might also try another window manager (like another flavor of
fvwm) and see if that helps.  (XEmacs with olvwm on Linux 2.0 has been
very good to me).

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;; C and other programming languages Configuration
(setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
(setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
                          ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
(load "autoinsert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Put this in .emacs and it should work.

- Sobhan

Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:

> 
> Hi !
> 
> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within xemacs-19.13
> it works fine.
> 
> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.
> 
> 
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> ;; Autoinsert
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> (load-library "autoinsert")
> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> 	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> 	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> 	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> 	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
> 
> ---
> 
> Regards,
> Gran

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Hi,

  It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the mouse 
(as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am using Xemacs 
19.14 on SunOS. 

Thanks.

Prasad
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From: Sobhan K Padamati <spadamat@fore.com>
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Subject: Re: matlab-mode
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Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi, does anybody know how to build MATLAB mode or how to create a new
> mode for a new style file in xemacs?
> 

-- 
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Here it goes:

;; matlab-mode.el - major mode for MATLAB dot-m files
;;
;; This major mode for GNU emacs provides support for editing MATLAB dot-m
;; files.  It automatically indents for block structures, line continuations
;; (e.g., ...), and comments.  The usual paren matching support is included.
;; Filling and auto-fill works for comment lines.  You may wish to add
;; something like the following to your emacs start-up file:
;;   (autoload 'matlab-mode "matlab-mode" "Enter Matlab mode." t)
;;   (setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.m$" . matlab-mode) auto-mode-alist))
;;   (defun my-matlab-mode-hook ()
;;     (setq fill-column 76)
;;     (setq matlab-indent-end-before-return t)
;;     (matlab-frame-init)
;;     (turn-on-auto-fill))
;;   (setq matlab-mode-hook 'my-matlab-mode-hook)
;; Put this file in the emacs load-path so emacs can find it (check the manual).
;; To get font-lock try 
;;     (font-lock-mode 1)
;; To get hilit19 support try
;;     (matlab-mode-hilit)
;; This version now assumes that you put whitespace immediately after `%' in
;; your comments.
;;
;; Note -
;;	The fact that MATLAB uses single-quote for strings and tranpose makes
;;	parsing strings almost impossible.  I have implemented some heuristics
;;	to make matlab-mode work with strings better, but you never know ...
;;
;; Copyright (C) 1991-1996 Matthew R. Wette.
;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute this
;; file provided:
;;   1. All copies contain this copyright notice (even if you rename this file
;;	to `octave-mode.el').
;;   2. All modified copies carry a prominant notice stating who made the last
;;	modification and the date of such modification.
;;   3. No direct charge is made for this software or works derived from it.
;;	This software may be distributed with licensed software as long as
;;	no itemized charge is made for this specific code.
;;
;; Version 1.07.3, Dated 19Jan96
;;
;; 19Jan96 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	commented out debug-on-error; got hilit to work for sam
;;
;; 18Jan96 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	fixed problem int matlab-prev-line which caused fatal matlab-mode;
;;	crash fixed problem with indenting when keywords in comments; still
;;	haven't cleaned up comment formatting ...
;;
;; 21Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	fixes by Bjorn Torkelsson <torkel@cs.umu.se>: replaced lattr-comment
;;	w/ lattr-comm to fix inconsistency; added function to font-lock 
;;	keywords, added function name to font-lock-function-name-face.  He had
;;	also added funtion as a block begin keyword.  This should be an option
;;	since it will cause the body of a function to be indented.  Worked on
;;	filling.  More work on filling.  fixed many bugs reported by Rob
;;	Cunningham.  Pulled cadr.
;;
;; 13Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@mr-ed.jpl.nasa.gov>
;; 	changed indenting for continuation lines in calc-deltas to use
;;	cont-level; changed syntab-table;  changed the way the return key is
;;	mapped; released version 1.07.1
;;
;; 08Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@mr-ed.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	This is a fairly major rewrite of the indenting functions to fix long-
;;	standing problems arising from keywords and percents in strings.  We
;;	may have to add more heuristics later but this may work better.
;;	Changed comment region string.  Released version 1.07.0.
;;
;; 10Oct94 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	changed auto-fill-mode to auto-fill-function; changed
;;	comment-indent- to comment-indent-function; fixed percents in strings
;;	being interpreted as comments, but a % for comment should not be
;;	followed by [disx%]
;;
;; 23Nov93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	added Lucid emacs, GNU emacs font-lock and lhilit support; repaired
;;	mtlb-block-{beg,end}-kw (Thanks to Dave Mellinger <dkm1@cornell.edu>)
;;	removed string delim entry from matlab-mode-syntax-table (MATLAB lang
;;	sucks here -- why not use " for strings?).   Released vers 1.06.0
;;
;; 10Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	added matlab-indent-end-before-return; indent may be fixed now
;;	still not working for emacs 19
;;
;; 02Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	fixed error in mtlb-calc-indent;  bumped version to 1.05.1; added
;;	mtlb-prev-line;  bumped version to 1.05.3; added mtlb-calc-blok-indent
;;
;; 01Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	Fixed bug which treated form as block-begin keyword.  Reworked 
;;	mtlb-calc-indent -- seems to work better w/ redundant cont lines now.
;; 	Bumbed version to 1.05.
;;
;; 13Jun93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	Changed `linea' to `lattr', `linet' to `ltype', fixed
;;	Bumped version number from 1.03bb to 1.04.
;;
;; 02May91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added matlab-auto-fill for auto-fill-hook so that this mode doesn't
;;	try to fill matlab code, just comments.
;;
;; 22Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Changed "mtlb-ltype-cont" to "mtlb-lattr-cont", "mtlb-ltype-comment-on-
;;	line" to "mtlb-lattr-comment" and "mtlb-ltype-unbal-mexp" to "mtlb-
;;	lattr-unbal-mext" to emphasize that these are line attributes and not
;;	line types.  Modified "matlab-line-type" to reflect the change ini
;;	logic.
;;
;; 18Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Modified matlab-comment-return so that when hit on a line with a
;;	comment at the end it will go to the comment column.  To get the
;;	comment indented with the code, just hit TAB.
;;
;; 17Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Received critique from gray@scr.slb.com.  Changed ml- to mtlb- due to 
;;	possible conflict with mlsupport.el routines.  Added matlab-comment
;;	-line-s and -on-line-s.  Fixed bug in matlab-comment (set-fill-prefix).
;;	matlab-comment-return now works if called on a non-comment line.
;;
;; 04Mar91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added const matlab-indent-before-return.  Released Version 1.02.
;;
;; 02Feb91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Changed names of ml-*-line to ml-ltype-*.  Cleaned up a lot. Added
;;	ml-format-comment-line, fixed ml-format-region.  Changed added "-s"
;;	on end of matlab-comment-region string.  Justify needs to be cleaned
;;	up.
;;
;; Fri Feb  1 09:03:09 1991; gray@scr.slb.com
;;      Add function matlab-comment-region, which inserts the string
;;      contained in the variable matlab-comment-region at the start
;;      of every line in the region.  With an argument the region is
;;      uncommented.  [Straight copy from fortran.el]
;;
;; 25Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Got indentation of matrix expression to work, I think.  Also,
;;	added tabs to comment start regular-expression.
;;
;; 14Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added functions (ml-unbal-matexp ml-matexp-indent) for matrix
;;	expressions.
;;
;; 07Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Many changes.  Seems to work reasonably well.  Still would like
;;      to add some support for filling in comments and handle continued
;;      matrix expressions.  Released as Version 1.0.
;;
;; 04Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Created.  Used eiffel.el as a guide.
;;

;;(setq debug-on-error t)

;; Variables which the user can change
(defvar matlab-indent-level 2
  "*The indentation in matlab-mode.")

(defvar matlab-cont-level 4
  "*Continuation indent.")

(defvar matlab-fill-code t
  "*If true, auto-fill-mode causes code lines to be automatically continued.")

(defvar matlab-comment-column 40
  "*The goal comment column in matlab-mode buffers.")

(defvar matlab-comment-line-s "% "
  "*String to start comment on line by itself.")

(defvar matlab-comment-on-line-s "% "
  "*String to start comment on line with code.")

(defvar matlab-comment-region-s "% $$$ "
  "*String inserted by \\[matlab-comment-region] at start of each line in \
region.")

(defvar matlab-indent-function nil
  "If t, indent body of function.")

(defvar matlab-vers-on-startup t
  "*If non-nil, shows the version number on startup.")


;; Syntax Table
(defvar matlab-mode-syntax-table nil
  "Syntax table used in matlab-mode buffers.")

(if matlab-mode-syntax-table
    ()
  (setq matlab-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table (standard-syntax-table)))
  (modify-syntax-entry ?_ "_" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?% ".1" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\  "-2" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\t "-2" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "->" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (set-syntax-table matlab-mode-syntax-table))


;; Abbrev Table
(defvar matlab-mode-abbrev-table nil
  "Abbrev table used in matlab-mode buffers.")

(define-abbrev-table 'matlab-mode-abbrev-table ())


;; Mode Map
(defvar matlab-mode-map ()
  "Keymap used in matlab-mode.")

(if matlab-mode-map
    ()
  (setq matlab-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap))
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\r" 'matlab-return)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\^j" 'matlab-linefeed)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-c\r" 'matlab-comment-return)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\t" 'matlab-indent-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\M-;" 'matlab-comment)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-c;" 'matlab-comment-region)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cq" 'matlab-fill-region)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cf" 'matlab-fill-comment-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cj" 'matlab-justify-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-ct" 'matlab-show-line-info)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\M-\r" 'newline)
  (substitute-key-definition 'comment-region 'matlab-comment-region
			     matlab-mode-map global-map) ;torkel
  )


;; Font Lock Keywords
(defvar matlab-font-lock-keywords
  (list
   '("\\(^\\|[^%]\\)\\(%\\s-.*\\)" 2 font-lock-comment-face t)
   '("\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\(\
function\\|for\\|while\\|if\\|elseif\\|else\\|end\\|return\
\\)\\b" 2 font-lock-keyword-face)
   ;;'("^function\\s-+\\(.*=\\s-*\\)?\\([\\s_\\w]+\\)\\b" 2
   '("^function\\s-+\\(.*=\\s-*\\)?\\([a-zA-Z0-9_]+\\)\\b" 2
     font-lock-function-name-face t))
  "Expressions to hightlight in Matlab mode.")

;; Hilit19 Patterns
(defvar matlab-hilit19-patterns
  '(("\\(^\\|[^%]\\)\\(%\\s-.*\\)" 2 comment)
    ("\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\(\
function\\|for\\|while\\|if\\|elseif\\|else\\|end\\|return\
\\)\\b" 2 keyword)))


;; matlab-mode
(defun matlab-mode ()
  "Matlab-mode is a major mode for editing MATLAB dot-m files.
This is version 1.07.3, dated 19Jan96.  This version
    +   will run matlab-mode-hook if it is non-nil
    +   supports font-lock and hilit19
    +   requires a whitespace (space, tab or newline) after % in comment

Special Key Bindings:
\\{matlab-mode-map}
Variables:
  matlab-indent-level		Level to indent blocks.
  matlab-comment-column         Goal column for on-line comments.
  fill-column			Column used in auto-fill.
  matlab-comment-line-s	        Sring to start comment line.
  matlab-comment-region-s	String to put comment lines in region.
  matlab-vers-on-startup	If t, show version on start-up.
  matlab-indent-function	If t, indents body of MATLAB functions.
  matlab-hilit19-patterns	Patterns for hilit19
  matlab-font-lock-keywords	Keywords for font-lock
  matlab-return-function	Function-variable to customize RET handling

Commands:
  matlab-mode                   Enter MATLAB major mode.
  matlab-return                 RET with post indenting.
  matlab-linefeed               RET with pre and post indent.
  matlab-comment-return		RET for next-line comment.
  matlab-indent-line            Indent line for structure.
  matlab-comment                Add comment to current line.
  matlab-comment-indent         Compute indent for comment.
  matlab-comment-region		Comment (with arg, uncomment) region.
  matlab-fill-region		Fill region (usually comments).
  matlab-justify-line		Delete space on end and justify.
  matlab-mode-hilit             Turn on hilit19.

To add automatic support put something like the following in your .emacs file:
  \(autoload 'matlab-mode \"matlab-mode\" \"Enter Matlab mode.\" t\)
  \(setq auto-mode-alist \(cons '\(\"\\\\.m$\" . matlab-mode\) \
auto-mode-alist\)\)
  \(defun my-matlab-mode-hook \(\)
    \(setq fill-column 76\)
    \(font-lock-mode 1\)    
    \(turn-on-auto-fill\)\)
  \(setq matlab-mode-hook 'my-matlab-mode-hook\)"
  (interactive)
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (use-local-map matlab-mode-map)
  (setq major-mode 'matlab-mode)
  (setq mode-name "Matlab")
  (setq local-abbrev-table matlab-mode-abbrev-table)
  (set-syntax-table matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (make-local-variable 'indent-line-function)
  (setq indent-line-function 'matlab-indent-line)
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-start)
  (setq paragraph-start (concat "^$\\|" page-delimiter))
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-separate)
  (setq paragraph-separate paragraph-start)
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-ignore-fill-prefix)
  (setq paragraph-ignore-fill-prefix t)
  (make-local-variable 'comment-start-skip)
  (setq comment-start-skip "%\\s-+")
  (make-local-variable 'comment-column)
  (setq comment-column 'matlab-comment-column)
  (make-local-variable 'comment-indent-function)
  (setq comment-indent-function 'matlab-comment-indent)
  (make-local-variable 'fill-column)
  (setq fill-column default-fill-column)
  (make-local-variable 'auto-fill-function)
  (setq auto-fill-function 'matlab-auto-fill)
  (make-local-variable 'fill-prefix)
  (make-local-variable 'font-lock-keywords)
  (setq font-lock-keywords matlab-font-lock-keywords)
  (run-hooks 'matlab-mode-hook)
  (if matlab-vers-on-startup (matlab-show-version)))



;;; regexps for MATLAB language ===============================================

(defvar matlab-block-beg-pre 
  (if matlab-indent-function
      "function\\|for\\|while\\|if"
    "for\\|while\\|if")
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab block-begin keywords")

(defconst matlab-block-mid-pre 
  "elseif\\|else"
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab mid-block keywords")

(defconst matlab-block-end-pre
  "end"
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab block-end keywords")
  
(defconst matlab-other-pre
  "function\\|return"
  "partial regular express to recognize matlab non-block keywords")
  
(defvar matlab-block-re
  (concat "\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\("
	  matlab-block-beg-pre "\\|"
	  matlab-block-mid-pre "\\|"
	  matlab-block-end-pre "\\)\\b")
  "regular expression for keywords which begin matlab blocks")

(defconst matlab-block-beg-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-beg-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-block-mid-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-mid-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-block-end-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-end-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-cline-start-skip "\\s-*%\\s-*"
  "*The regular expression for skipping comment start.")


;;; utilities =================================================================

(defun matlab-show-version ()
  "Show the version number in the minibuffer."
  (interactive)
  (message "matlab-mode, version 1.07.3 dated 19Jan96"))

(defun matlab-find-prev-line ()
  (interactive)
  (if (= -1 (forward-line -1)) nil
    (if (matlab-ltype-empty) (matlab-find-prev-line) t)))

(defun matlab-prev-line ()
  "Go to the previous line of code.  Return nil if not found."
  (interactive)
  (let ((old-point (point)))
    (if (matlab-find-prev-line) t (goto-char old-point) nil)))


;;; line types and attributes =================================================

(defun matlab-ltype-empty ()		; blank line
  "Returns t if current line is empty."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "^\\s-*$")))

(defun matlab-ltype-comm ()		; comment line
  "Returns t if current line is a MATLAB comment line."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "\\s-*%\\s-+")))

(defun matlab-ltype-code ()		; line of code
  "Return t if current line is a MATLAB code line."
  (and (not (matlab-ltype-empty)) (not (matlab-ltype-comm))))

(defun matlab-lattr-comm ()		; line has comment
  "Returns t if current line contains a comment."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "\\(^\\|.*[^%]\\)%\\s-")))

(defun matlab-lattr-cont ()		; line has continuation
  "Returns t if current line ends in .. and optional comment."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward "[^; \t.][ \t]*\\.\\.\\.+[ \t]*\\(%.*\\)?$"
		       (position-at-eol) t)))


;;; indent functions ==========================================================

(defun matlab-indent-line ()
  "Indent a line in matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (indent-to (matlab-calc-indent))
    ;; -- If line contains a comment, format it. --
    ;;(if (matlab-lattr-comm) (matlab-comment)))
    (skip-chars-forward " \t%")))

(defun matlab-calc-indent ()
  "Return the appropriate indentation for this line as an int."
  (interactive)
  (let ((indent 0))
    (save-excursion
      (if (matlab-prev-line)
	  (setq indent (+ (current-indentation) (matlab-add-to-next)))))
    (setq indent (+ indent (matlab-add-from-prev)))
    indent))

(defun matlab-add-to-next ()
  (car (cdr (matlab-calc-deltas))))

(defun matlab-add-from-prev ()
  (car (matlab-calc-deltas)))

(defun matlab-calc-deltas ()
  "This routine returns the list (add-from-prev add-to-next)."
  (let ((add-from-prev 0) (add-to-next 0) eol)
    (if (matlab-ltype-comm) (list 0 0) 
      (save-excursion
	(setq eol (position-at-eol))
	;; indentation for control structures
	(beginning-of-line)
	(while (re-search-forward matlab-block-re eol t)
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char (match-beginning 2))
	    (if (looking-at matlab-block-beg-re)
		(setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
	      (if (> add-to-next 0)
		  (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
		(setq add-from-prev (- add-from-prev matlab-indent-level)))
	      (if (looking-at matlab-block-mid-re)
		  (setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))))))
	;; indentation for matrix expressions
	(beginning-of-line)
	(while (re-search-forward "[][]" eol t)
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
	    (if (looking-at "\\[")
		(setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
	      (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-indent-level)))))
	;; continuation lines
	(if (matlab-lattr-cont)
	    (save-excursion
	      (if (= 0 (forward-line -1))
		  (if (matlab-lattr-cont)
		      ()
		    (setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-cont-level)))))
	  (save-excursion
	    (if (= 0 (forward-line -1))
		(if (matlab-lattr-cont)
		    (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-cont-level))))))
	)
      (list add-from-prev add-to-next))))


;;; the return key ============================================================

(defvar matlab-return-function 'matlab-indent-end-before-ret
  "Function to handle return key.  Must be one of
    'matlab-plain-ret
    'matlab-indent-after-ret
    'matlab-indent-end-before-ret
    'matlab-indent-before-ret")

(defun matlab-return ()
  "Handle carriage return in matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (funcall matlab-return-function))

(defun matlab-plain-ret ()
  "Vanila new line."
  (interactive)
  (newline))
  
(defun matlab-indent-after-ret ()
  "Indent after new line."
  (interactive)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-indent-end-before-ret ()
  "Indent line if block end, start new line, and indent again."
  (interactive)
  (if (save-excursion
	(beginning-of-line)
	(looking-at "\\s-*\\(elseif\\|else\\|end\\)\\b"))
      (matlab-indent-line))
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-indent-before-ret ()
  "Indent line, start new line, and indent again."
  (interactive)
  (matlab-indent-line)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-linefeed ()
  "Handle linefeed in matlab-mode.
Has effect of matlab-return with (not matlab-indent-before-return)."
  (interactive)
  (matlab-indent-line)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-comment-return ()
  "Handle carriage return for matlab comment line."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix) (newline) (insert fill-prefix)
    (matlab-indent-line))
   ((matlab-lattr-comm)
    (newline) (indent-to matlab-comment-column)
    (insert matlab-comment-on-line-s))
   (t
    (newline) (matlab-comment) (matlab-indent-line))))

(defun matlab-comment ()
  "Add a comment to the current line.  If one already exists, format it."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-empty)
    (matlab-indent-line)
    (insert matlab-comment-line-s))
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (save-excursion
      (if (and (= 0 (forward-line -1)) (matlab-ltype-comm))
	  (progn 
	    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix)
	    (forward-line 1)
	    (beginning-of-line)
	    (delete-horizontal-space) (delete-char 1) (delete-horizontal-space)
	    (insert fill-prefix)))))
   ((matlab-lattr-comm)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward "[^%]%\\s-")
    (forward-char -1)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (forward-char -1)
    (delete-char 1)
    (insert matlab-comment-line-s)
    (if (< (current-column) matlab-comment-column)
	(indent-to matlab-comment-column))
    (skip-chars-forward "%\\s-"))
   (t
    (end-of-line)
    (re-search-backward "[^ \t\n^]" 0 t)
    (forward-char)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (if (< (current-column) matlab-comment-column)
	(indent-to matlab-comment-column)
      (insert " "))
    (insert matlab-comment-on-line-s))))

(defun matlab-comment-indent ()
  "Indent a comment line in matlab-mode."
  (matlab-calc-indent))

(defun matlab-comment-region (beg-region end-region arg)
  "Comments every line in the region.
Puts matlab-comment-region-s at the beginning of every line in the region. 
BEG-REGION and END-REGION are args which specify the region boundaries. 
With non-nil ARG, uncomments the region."
  (interactive "*r\nP")
  (let ((end-region-mark (make-marker)) (save-point (point-marker)))
    (set-marker end-region-mark end-region)
    (goto-char beg-region)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (if (not arg)			;comment the region
	(progn (insert matlab-comment-region-s)
	       (while (and  (= (forward-line 1) 0)
			    (< (point) end-region-mark))
		 (insert matlab-comment-region-s)))
      (let ((com (regexp-quote matlab-comment-region-s))) ;uncomment the region
	(if (looking-at com)
	    (delete-region (point) (match-end 0)))
	(while (and  (= (forward-line 1) 0)
		     (< (point) end-region-mark))
	  (if (looking-at com)
	      (delete-region (point) (match-end 0))))))
    (goto-char save-point)
    (set-marker end-region-mark nil)
    (set-marker save-point nil)))


;;; filling ===================================================================

(defun matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix ()
  "Set the fill-prefix for the current (comment) line."
  (setq fill-prefix
	(save-excursion
	  (beginning-of-line) 
	  (buffer-substring
	   (point)
	   (progn (re-search-forward "\\s-*%\\s-*") (point))))))

(defun matlab-set-code-fill-prefix ()
  "Set the fill-prefix for the current code line."
  (setq fill-prefix
	(save-excursion
	  (beginning-of-line) 
	  (buffer-substring
	   (point)
	   (progn (re-search-forward "\\s-*") (point))))))

(defun matlab-auto-fill ()
  "Do filling."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix) (do-auto-fill))
   ((and (and (matlab-ltype-code) (not (matlab-lattr-comm))) matlab-fill-code)
    (save-excursion
      (while (> (current-column) fill-column) (forward-char -1))
      (re-search-backward "\\s-+") (delete-horizontal-space)
      (insert " ...\n") (matlab-indent-line)))))

(defun matlab-join-comment-lines ()
  "Join current comment line to previous, deleting space and comment mark."
  (interactive)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (forward-char -1) (delete-char 1)	; delete newline
  (delete-horizontal-space)
  (delete-char 1)			; delete "%"
  (delete-horizontal-space)
  (insert " "))

(defun matlab-wrap-line () nil)

(defun matlab-fill-region (beg-region end-region &optional justify-flag)
  "Fill the region. Non-nil arg means justify commment lines as well."
  (interactive "*r\nP")
  (let ((end-reg-mk (make-marker)))
    (set-marker end-reg-mk end-region)
    (goto-char beg-region)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (while (< (save-excursion (forward-line 1) (point)) end-reg-mk)
      (if (save-excursion (= (forward-line 1) 0))
	  (progn 
	    (cond
	     ((matlab-ltype-comm)
	      (while (matlab-fill-comment-line))
	      (if justify-flag (justify-comment-line))))
	    (forward-line 1))))))

(defun matlab-fill-comment-line ()
  "Fill the current comment line."
  (interactive)
  (let ((prev-indent-col 0))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward matlab-cline-start-skip)
    (setq prev-indent-col (current-column))
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix)
    (if (/= (forward-line 1) 0)
	()
      (beginning-of-line)
      (re-search-forward matlab-cline-start-skip)
      (if (/= prev-indent-col (current-column))
	  (progn (forward-line -1) ())
	(matlab-join-comment-lines)
	(if (matlab-wrap-line)
	    (save-excursion
	      (forward-line 1)
	      (beginning-of-line)
	      (insert matlab-comment-line-s)
	      t))))))

(defun matlab-justify-line ()
  "Delete space on end of line and justify."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (end-of-line)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (justify-current-line)))


;;; V19 stuff =================================================================

(defun matlab-mode-hilit ()
  "Set up hilit19 support for matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (cond (window-system
	 (setq hilit-mode-enable-list  '(not text-mode)
	       hilit-background-mode   'light
	       hilit-inhibit-hooks     nil
	       hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil)
	 (require 'hilit19)
	 (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'matlab-mode matlab-hilit19-patterns))))

(defun matlab-frame-init ()
  (interactive)
  (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) '((menu-bar-lines . 2)))
  ;; make a menu keymap
  (define-key matlab-mode-map [menu-bar matlab]
    (cons "Matlab" (make-sparse-keymap "Matlab")))
  (define-key matlab-mode-map
    [menu-bar matlab version]
    '("version" . matlab-show-version)))


;;; matlab debugging ==========================================================

;;;<<< TBD >>>;;;


;;; matlab-mode debugging =====================================================

(defun matlab-show-line-info ()
  "Display type and attributes of current line.  Used in debugging."
  (interactive)
  (let ((msg "line-info:") (deltas (matlab-calc-deltas)))
    (cond
     ((matlab-ltype-empty)
      (setq msg (concat msg " empty")))
     ((matlab-ltype-comm)
      (setq msg (concat msg " comment")))
     (t
      (setq msg (concat msg " code"))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " add-from-prev="
		      (int-to-string (car deltas))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " add-to-next="
		      (int-to-string (car (cdr deltas)))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " indent="
		      (int-to-string (matlab-calc-indent))))
    (if (matlab-lattr-cont)
	(setq msg (concat msg " w/cont")))
    (if (matlab-lattr-comm)
	(setq msg (concat msg " w/comm")))
    (message msg)))

(defun matlab-clear-vars ()
  (interactive)
  (makunbound 'matlab-indent-level)
  (makunbound 'matlab-cont-level)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-line-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-on-line-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-region-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-indent-function)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-abbrev-table)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-map)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-beg-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-mid-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-end-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-other-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-beg-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-end-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-cline-start-skip)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-font-lock-keywords))


;;; stuff which belongs elsewhere =============================================

(defun position-at-eol ()		; return point for end-of-line
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (end-of-line)
    (point)))

(defun justify-comment-line ()
  "Add spaces to comment line point is in, so it ends at fill-column."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (let (ncols beg)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(forward-char (length fill-prefix))
	(skip-chars-forward " \t")
	(setq beg (point))
	(end-of-line)
	(narrow-to-region beg (point))
	(goto-char beg)
	(while (re-search-forward "   *" nil t)
	  (delete-region
	   (+ (match-beginning 0)
	      (if (save-excursion
		    (skip-chars-backward " ])\"'")
		    (memq (preceding-char) '(?. ?? ?!)))
		  2 1))
	   (match-end 0)))
	(goto-char beg)
	(while (re-search-forward "[.?!][])""']*\n" nil t)
	  (forward-char -1)
	  (insert " "))
	(goto-char (point-max))
	(setq ncols (- fill-column (current-column)))
	(if (search-backward " " nil t)
	    (while (> ncols 0)
	      (let ((nmove (+ 3 (% (random) 3))))
		(while (> nmove 0)
		  (or (search-backward " " nil t)
		      (progn
			(goto-char (point-max))
			(search-backward " ")))
		  (skip-chars-backward " ")
		  (setq nmove (1- nmove))))
	      (insert " ")
	      (skip-chars-backward " ")
	      (setq ncols (1- ncols))))))))


;;; junk? =====================================================================

(if (string-match "Lucid$" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (defvar font-lock-comment-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
      (defvar font-lock-string-face 'font-lock-string-face)
      (defvar font-lock-function-name-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
      (defvar font-lock-keyword-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
      (defvar font-lock-type-face 'font-lock-type-face)))


(provide 'matlab-mode)
;; --- last line of matlab-mode.el --- 
 

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: random idea for 19.16 (15?)
Date: 19 Sep 1996 18:56:33 -0400
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> XEmacs is often praised for the ease of use the toolbar provides
> 
> today, to access the toolbar i need a full emacs frame, but many tasks
> that are done using the toolbar are not related to the buffer
> currently shown in that frame
> 
> i propose that when i iconify/kill the last visible frame, XEmacs pops
> up a little window, with its logo and the toolbar icons that trigger
> actions not related to a specific buffer, like find-file, dired, vm,
> gnus, info, etc, a bit like this (just substitute logo/bitmaps for
> words
> 
>    +----+----+----+----+----+----+
>    | XE |File|Dir |Mail|News|Info|
>    +----+----+----+----+----+----+

Better yet why not just a palette of buttons.

This way you could associate a pallette with a mode.  Or have a global
palette that would do what you want above.  Things could be added like
in screen with focus raise pallette for current mode.  Or have a
pallette defined that is global and can sit say inside of the CDE tool
bar. (Note most vendours now support CDE desktop interfaces)

I would also like a pallette that would stay around an perform common
functions that I do in all my buffers,  why some modes complete steal the
tool bar and I loose my costumizations and I have to sit there and
add my stuff to each mode over and over again.  I just want a global pallette
of functions that I can carry with me.

I like it!!

Just watch they already probably thought of this and that is the new
wiz bang feature of 19.15 or 20.00.

Wow stop right there.  I just sat here thinking and what popped into
my head was microsoft pallettes and all of a sudden I saw XEmacs
looking like word 6.0.

Mark Daku 
daku@nortel.ca

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Lars Hecking <lhecking@carlow.nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:

> Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
> 
>    Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
>    example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
>    Xemacs.
> 
> What's wrong with M-x load-file ~/.emacs?

Probably that some modifications (like adding to a load-path or so)
should not be done twice.

In general, I find it easiest after having inserted something new (or
a change of some variable) to go after the parenthesized expression
and type C-x C-e (if it is one expression only), or mark the region in
question and type M-x eval-region.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: line numbering
Date: 20 Sep 1996 10:44:47 +0200
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Van P. Trinh (vant@minerva.robadome.com) wrote:
> You could try this:
> C-x h (to mark the region, in this case it's the buffer)
> C-u M-| nl (run shell command nl on the marked bufer)

No need for that. I have been refered to a package that enables
Vi-style line numbering in Emacs/XEmacs. I can post it if someone is
interested.

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Mark Mostow (mostow@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
> I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
> When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
> which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
>  Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
> This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
> type C-x C-c.
>  But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
> to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
> many times.

I don't think it's an Emacs/XEmacs difference because XEmacs works
correctly for me in that respect. Try examining your ~/.emacs or
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-{start,init}.el.

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Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:
>   It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the mouse 
> (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am using Xemacs 
> 19.14 on SunOS.

I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not XEmacs
itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:
    >> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the
    >> mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am
    >> using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

    Hrvoje> I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not
    Hrvoje> XEmacs itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

I don't think so. What I assume Prasad wanted is for emacs to follow
the mouse. eg I have my window manager (fvwm) set to focus follows
pointer, so when the mous goes into the emacs frame, emacs has the
focus. But the focus will be in the window in that frame that you last
clicked in. ie split your emacs frame into 2 windows, now type
something, now move the mouse into the other window and type. You are
still typing in the first window. 
I would like the operation that Prasad wants but I can see a problem
with it. If you split the frame as above you would have to aware of
which half of the frame the mouse was in as that window would get
focus.

Emacs (or is it XEmacs) confuses me with its terminology of frames,
windows and buffers so excuse me if I've got the teminology wrong, but
hopefully I've made myself understood.

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From: shaslam@armltd.co.uk (Steven Haslam)
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Subject: Re: Some X-Face headers confuse font-lock in VM
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In article <vwranzwkcj.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
J. P. Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> wrote:
>       (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))
>
>And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
>It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

Two points:

* mail-mode is the mode for composing e-mails: mail -reading- is done
in `vm-mode'.

* i didn't think VM used font-lock anyway. But if it does, it does...

Try (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (vm-mode . 5000)))

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The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
author when following up messages?

--Thomas

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i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source code.
i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have this 
limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility to 
fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami editor).
this would make it easier to keep track of a module while programming.

do such extensions for emacs exist? or where do i have to start
if i'd like to add it myself (i did some minor customization with
lisp but not more). do you know about books and/or manuals?

any help is greatly appreciated.

regards,
roman

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does anybody know where i can find an emacs manual (ps file)

please send mail to:   hanspeter.gehr@ubs.ch


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tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec) writes:
> XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme
> 
> I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
> First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
> message.el at 
> (easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map
>   "Message Menu."
>   '("Message"

I have seen this exact behavior before. I currently do not have access
to that machine, but I believe it was a Solaris box and the copy of
XEmacs was one of the precompiled binaries (I might be mistaken
though). I eventually traced the problem to a mismatch in the
bytecompiled files. I would suggest, that you either re-bytecompile
your elisp files or reinstall XEmacs from scratch.


Markus

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famous "Learning GNU Emacs" is due to be in their warehouses next
Friday (Sept 27). It will be based on GNU Emacs 19.29. Can't wait!!
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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
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Subject: Q: OO-Browser and enum in C++
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Hi there,

my problem is as follows:

I want to browse through C++ code. For this I created an OOBR database
from all directories where C++ source code is located as well as all
the include directories where class definitions, constants etc. are
stored.

In one of our .h files we have lots of globally valid enum type
definitions. They look like this:

	enum currentTimeSourceType {
		currentTimeSourceExternal = 0,
		currentTimeSourceInternal = 1,
		currentTimeSourceTypeCnt = 2
	};


When I start the OO browser I get three side by side buffers with all
classes in the leftmost buffer. The class list is followed by a list
of specific elements that can be browsed:

[constant]
[enumeration]
[function]
[macro]
[structure]
[type]
[union]

But when trying to see the enum type definitions I get the message "No
features". 

Did OOBR not put the necessary information into its database or what
am I doing wrong? 

I use XEmacs, version 19.13 with OOBR version 02.09.08.

Thanks in advance,

Adalbert Perbandt.
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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed King <kinge@oklahoma.net> writes:

Ed> All of a sudden vm and rmail stopped working.  Here is the back trace
Ed> from rmail:
Ed> Signalling: (file-error "Renaming" "permission denied"
Ed> "/var/spool/mail/kinge" 
Ed> "/var/spool/mail/kinge+")
Ed>   rename-file("/var/spool/mail/kinge" "/var/spool/mail/kinge+" nil)

Ed> I'm using Xemacs 19.14.  What's going on?  Elm works fine.

What are the permissions on the `/var/spool/mail' directory?  What are
the permissions on the movemail program
`/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/<arch-name>/movemail'?

Have the permissions changed recently on the spool directory?  What is
the value of the variable `rmail-spool-directory', and has that been
changed recently?

And lastly, what are the permissions on Elm?
-- 
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>>>>> "Ian" == Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>>>>> "Prasad" == Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:

Prasad> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the
Prasad> mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am
Prasad> using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

Hrvoje> I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not
Hrvoje> XEmacs itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

Ian> I don't think so. What I assume Prasad wanted is for emacs to follow
Ian> the mouse. eg I have my window manager (fvwm) set to focus follows
Ian> pointer, so when the mous goes into the emacs frame, emacs has the
Ian> focus. But the focus will be in the window in that frame that you last
Ian> clicked in. ie split your emacs frame into 2 windows, now type
Ian> something, now move the mouse into the other window and type. You are
Ian> still typing in the first window. 

Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
This is (and must be) an operation of the Window Manager.  I use olvwm
in focus follows pointer mode,

OpenWindows*SetInput:   followmouse

and what Prasad describes *is* the kind of behavior I observe.

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Can anyone explain why these work as they do?  When I do
"forward-sentence", I want to go to the *beginning* of the 
*next* sentence, not the end of the current one.  Ditto when
I do kill-sentence; I want to kill the spaces after the 
current sentence too.

Yikes, something that vi seems to get right.



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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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From: Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca>
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Hi,

I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll, I
have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last part
(the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white. The Xresources
are not considered. A colleague of mine, which uses my machine
remotely from a Sun (which supposedly uses X11R6) tried too the Xoobr
and OBTAINED CORRECT RESULTS (visible tree, drawn in yellow on
darkgrey with red for selections, as I configured).

When I compiled xoobr I noticed that the Makefile pointed for
Xresources a directory /usr/moto/X11R5 (I know, I changed this to my
path, /usr/X11R6) but what bothered me was the default to X11R5. 

Is it true that my problems are comming from such incompatibility of the
code (written for R5) with my actual X?

Is there a more recent version of xoobr? Are the modifications to make
in order to obtain correct results not so clumsy ?(I am really new in X
programming, Xlib using is now ZERO with me).

Thanks a lot. Please reply by mail, as I receive the news quite slowly
(the server!).

				Cristian


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I had this problem with 19.14 on an AlphaStation running OSF 3.0.  It
turns out to be a bug with call-process, which does not return the
correct exit code (the vc stuff is checking whether the checked-in
version is up to date).  

Here's (part of) a message psoted by Stephen Carney
<carney@gvc.dec.com> in response to my posting on this:

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George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu> writes:

> Using the precompiled binary for OSF1/v3.2 on a DEC Alpha (this occurs
> on machines running 3.0B and 3.2C) call-process does not return the
> correct exit code.  

This is fixed in the next release.  I'll make a new 19.14 binary kit.
The corresponding source patch will soon appear in:
  http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html

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Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?
-- 
Greg Flurry			
IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
*** All opinions are my own ***

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Hi,

Does anybody know how to get ange-ftp and/or rlogin 
to track the current working directory,
so that tab filename expansion works correctly?

I guess what I'm asking for is for rlogin to
do a behind-the-scenes `pwd` at every new
UNIX prompt.

Please reply via email and to the newgroup.

Thanks,
Brent Goodrick

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
[...]

If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
feature of Emacs.

-- 
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hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
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I have no idea how to set up my .emacs file to print to a different
printer. I am running 19.13 from my sun workstation via Solaris server.
I tried the following:

(setq lpr-command "lpr") 
(setq lpr-switches '("-Pjava"))

This is exactly how it looks in my .emacs.
Why will this not print to "java"?

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Is it possible to modify the frame title format to indicate if the
current buffer has been modified?

--
Please reply to dj901@freenet.carleton.ca.

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>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

Roman> unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source
Roman> code.  i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have
Roman> this limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility
Roman> to fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami
Roman> editor).  this would make it easier to keep track of a module
Roman> while programming.

Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
distribution:

;;; foldout.el --- Folding extensions for outline-mode and outline-minor-mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Kevin Broadey <KevinB@bartley.demon.co.uk>
 ...
;;; Advertisements:
 ...
;; c-outline.el (by me) provides outline-mode support to recognise `C'
;; statements as outline headings, so with foldout you can have a folding `C'
;; code editor without having to put in start- and end-of-fold markers.  This
;; is a real winner!


I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Does any one know of a ASN.1 mode for emacs. 
             thanks
             Ayman

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Ho <dj901@freenet.carleton.ca> writes:

Colin> Is it possible to modify the frame title format to indicate if the
Colin> current buffer has been modified?

Yes.  The notation `%*' when used in the frame-title-format variable
has exactly the same meaning it does on the mode line (shows `%' for
read only, `-' for unmodified, and `*' for modified).
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS under XEMACS-19.14
on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can only do it one at a time.  I tried marking 
more than one article and hitting the decode button but I always get the error
message "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only decode
one article at a time?

Thanks in advance.

Bidemi Temidire

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Taking 5 minutes to read what follows can change your life :


  I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me I could
  make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

  I thought it  was a huge joke. I spoke  to my wife, attorney
  and friends about  it, and they all agreed it  was some kind
  of scam. I  can't stand scams, because  usually someone gets
  burned, and I didn't want it to be me. Of course, I rejected
  the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks
  ,I thought  : "I have already  heard of such things.  But on
  the Internet ?!?!? ". I decided  that even if I had to throw
  5$ into the fire, I wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it
  a try .After all I needed a LOT more than five dollars.


  Two weeks  later, I began  receiving money in  the mail!   I
  could not believe it! Soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of
  dollars began to  roll in. Within 4 weeks, I  had received a
  total of $32,445!  It came from everywhere in  the world. My
  bank account has changed its "-"  into a big "+" (++++)!!!,I
  bought myself a car and things I wanted for a long long time
  for my wife and kids!


  If you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why
  the  same shouldn't  happen  to you!  This  is a  legitimate
  investment  opportunity. You  invest $5,  and you  receive a
  return on  your investment. So  does the next  investor. NOT
  ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE.

  If  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but
  please print this article and pass  it on to someone who may
  be interested, so they can take advantage.

  The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address on 5
  sheets of paper.   Below that, write the  words, "Please add
  me to  your mailing  list." Fold  $1 note  or bank  draft or
  money order  in each  piece of  paper and  mail them  to the
  following 5 addresses.:


  1. Bill Brown
     148 South Downlen #796
     Beaumont, Tx. 77707     USA

  2. Olivier Arcadipane
      237 rue Francois Andre
      7390 Quaregnon       BELGIUM

  3. Josef Malzer,
     Brandhof 1
     4701 Bad Schallerbach
     EUROPE - AUSTRIA

  4. Josh Jones
     8012 Edgewood Dr.
     Ham Lake, MN         USA

  5. Guido Schonkeren
     van de Hoopstraat 21
     9716 JL Groningen
     the Netherlands      EUROPE
        
  2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other
  four names up. In other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put
  your name as the  fifth one on the list.   Use a simple text
  editor such as  Notepad,  in your   "accessories" window (If
  you have  MS-Windows),or DOS  editor.   In fact,  any editor
  will do.

  3) Post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  There are
  17,000, so  it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   Try
  posting to as  many  newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger
  the newsgroup is,  the more  people are to see your message!

  You  are now  in  the mail  order  investment business,  and
  should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course,
  the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return is.
  If you  wish to remain anonymous,  you may use  a psuedonym,
  call yourself  "The Manager", "The Boss",  whatever but make
  sure your address is correct.

  Now, here is why the system works:

  -Of every  200 posts  I made, I  received 5  responses. Yes,
  only 5. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

  -Each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional
  postings with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average
  therefore, 50 people will send you  $1 with your name at #4.
  $50.

  -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at
  #3 or  10,000 postings.  Average return  500 people  = $500.
  They make  200 postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000
  postings=5000 return at $1 each=$5000.

  -Finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at
  #1 and  you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops
  off the list. AND THATS IF  EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200
  POSTINGS! Total income in one cycle=$55,000.

  From time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the
  list,  you  take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the
  newsgroups, and  send out another $5,  and put your  name at
  #5, and start posting again. Remember,  200 postings is only
  a guideline. the more you post, the greater the return.

  Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND
  5 STAMPS, AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $5 for such an
  effortless investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS.

  Some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is
  played out and no one sends me any money?  "Big Deal, so you
  lose $5-but what are the chances of that happening ?? Do you
  Realize that  NOBODY cares for  the LEGAL chance  of winning
  such  a BIG  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????  and  all for  a
  microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
  of all  of the new  Internet users that  join the  net every
  day!!!

  There are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new
  net surfers every  month !!!  This is the  great plus of the
  Internet,  people all over the world can hear you and listen
  carefully if you  talk reasonably.  Everyone  will take that
  chance !  I agree,  If  it wasn't the  Internet,  and  was a
  small circle  of people,  the chance  wouldn't have  been so
  small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,  and
  the chances were zero.  It wouldn't succeed.

  But here, on the Internet, it is a giant village,  where new
  thousands of members join in every day ! you CAN'T lose !!!!

  Remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.
  That's the  only way this will  work. Get a printout  so you
  can refer back to this article easily.

  Try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and
  always keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is
  playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

  REMEMBER-HONESTY IS  THE BEST  POLICY.  YOU  DO NOT  NEED TO
  CHEAT THIS  IDEA TO  MAKE MONEY!!   BESIDES,NOT  PLAYING THE
  GAME  FAIRLY  IS ILLEGAL.SO  LET'S  BE  REASONABLE AND  PLAY
  FAIRLY,SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY THE INTERNET GOLD MINE.

  GOOD LUCK  FOR YOU ALL, And  remember, play fair  and you'll
  win,  I don't want to mention what might happen to those who
  won't.   AND  AGAIN,SEE  YOU NEXT  TIME  WITH SOMETHING  YOU
  WANTED FOR A LONG TIME !!!

  IF you don't make money roll, who will? ;-) (cfr. shareware).
  Just do it!

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>>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

Cristian> Hi,

Cristian> I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
Cristian> attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.

I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo
(referred as the maintainer in the source) about that problem, here is what he
answered : 

Torgeir> The error is due to the code that does double buffering in the
Torgeir> tree-display area. I didn't create that piece of code, I merely ported
Torgeir> a Motif browser to an athena widget version. I think the differences
Torgeir> between the Xt/Motif drawing-area and Athena's simple-widget may cause
Torgeir> the error, but I'm not shure. I'm not actively maintaining the code
Torgeir> anymore, due to lack of time. (Shame.. :)

Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.

Torgeir> I did wanted to reimplement the three drawing code when I did that
Torgeir> port, but it has some attrative features that are hard to implement,
Torgeir> and Bob (the originator of oobr), didn't want me to use time on that.

I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(

Unfortunately I have only very basic knowledge about X and could not
investigate the problem further. If someone has a solution it would really be
welcome !

Oscar

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Oscar Figueiredo wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
> Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.
> 
> Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
> Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
> Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.
> 
> I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
> certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
> xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo

> answered :
> 
> Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
> Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
> Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.
> 
> I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
> error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
> since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(
> 
> Oscar

Hi,

Thanks a lot. I advanced a little.

Indeed, the things are going wrong because of the color depth of X
server. Mine is set to 16 bpp. However, when I experimented on the other
virtual graphic terminal (display :1) at 8 bpp, it works great.

I think there is a standard (and of course, well known by the others but
not by me :-{ ) workaround for this not so beautiful situation when some
X programs are written for 8 bits depths and must force them support
more (or less!?) than that.

Of course, I tried for myself the PseudoColor thing, but for me xdpyinfo
reports only one visual available: TrueColor. And any other thing I
tried in the .Xdefaults is not working. That's that. If the time will
multiply for me tonight (by some miraculous time mitogenesis :->) I'll
search some information on changing visuals. If not ...


					Thanks again to you and to Torgeir

						Cristian

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root> Hi,

root> I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS
root> under XEMACS-19.14 on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can
root> only do it one at a time.  I tried marking more than one article
root> and hitting the decode button but I always get the error message
root> "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only
root> decode one article at a time?

You get the `wrong type file' message when you are attempting to
uudecode a group of messages and run across a message in MIME/base-64.
I would expect this to work much better once the Tools for MIME (tm)
package is distributed standard with XEmacs, and Gnus can be more MIME
aware.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: jerijian@sepulveda.seas.ucla.edu (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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Hi,

I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but I didn't.
I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I am able
to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the "Options" menu.
However, when I save the opetions and restart XEmacs, the fonts
are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my X display.  Is there a
way I can make lucidatypewriter my default font for all faces?

Thanks.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

| 17.9.96, epstein@cd.com (Milt Epstein) gnu.emacs.help
| There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
| for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
| package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
| similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this

Comes also with emacs in the latest releases.
/jari


My LCD-datafile.gz, which can be ftp'd from ohio, says:
~ --> /archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive

;; msb|Lars Lindberg|Lars.Lindberg@sypro.cap.se, |
;; <Choose buffer with the mouse>|
;; 12-Dec-1994|3.22|Version ~/packages/msb.el.Z|~/packages/msb.el.gz|


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Sun Sep 22 03:53:47 1996
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no>
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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

You can push `C-c C-t' to insert a To header that points to the person
who wrote the article you're following up.

-- 
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From: jerijian@mulholland.seas.ucla.edu (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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On 20 Sep 1996 17:16:26 GMT, Greg Flurry <flurry@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
>doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

Not that I'm aware of.  There's a version of GNU Emacs availavle
at ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu/pub/ntemacs.

>-- 
>Greg Flurry			
>IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
>*** All opinions are my own ***


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  Arthur D. Jerijian     celestra@ix.netcom.com

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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Sun Sep 22 06:16:12 1996
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Hi,

As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?

Thanks in advance,

Bidemi Temidire

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
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Subject: Re: xemacs-19.14 core and vm blocked
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I missed that patch... can you mail me a copy?  What I'm wondering
is...

I'm using Linux libc 5.3.12   Are other Linux users who have non-beta
libc's NOT experiencing intermittant seg-faults when VM opens a window?

 I can use VM most of the time with no problems.  But every once in a
while, it dumps core when I press R,r, or open another folder.

 It is in lwlib, and because of a null pointer deref.  Any ideas?

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
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:) Proudly running Linux 2.0.20 and GNU public software!

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I missed that patch... can you mail me a copy?  What I'm wondering
is...

I'm using Linux libc 5.3.12   Are other Linux users who have non-beta
libc's NOT experiencing intermittant seg-faults when VM opens a window?

 I can use VM most of the time with no problems.  But every once in a
while, it dumps core when I press R,r, or open another folder.

 It is in lwlib, and because of a null pointer deref.  Any ideas?

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
:) Proudly running Linux 2.0.20 and GNU public software!

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From: moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se ()
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Hi,

Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?

Thanks,

Morten
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Subject: How to disconnect from gnuattach?
From: Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com>


Gnuattach works very nicely in XEmacs 14. I could not find any
documention about how to detach the terminal nicely, however.

Can anyone tell me if there is a command to detach?

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Subject: How to skip selected frames during other-frame?
From: Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com>


I use other-frame to switch between frames. I want my vm mail frame to
be ignored by this command though. I want to select and raise the vm
frame only when I issue the vm command. What is the best way to do this?m

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From: Casey Nielson <knielson@joule.elee.calpoly.edu>
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root wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
> by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
> running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
> folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Bidemi Temidire

In your .vm, add a line

(setq vm-primary-inbox "~/Mail/Yourfolder")

for example.

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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Ian" == Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>>>>> "Prasad" == Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:

    Prasad> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving
    Prasad> the mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the
    Prasad> window)? I am using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

 An example of where I would find this useful is ...

Open two files in one frame (ie 2 emacs windows in one frame)
Double click on a word in one window, to make a selection
Move the mouse into the other window and press find, and the match is
found in the wrong window.

However if this was implented, and whatever window the pointer was in
was active what would happen when you typed Meta-x ?

Note when I say window I mean emacs window and not window manager
window, which I think is a frame.

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From: Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de>
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Subject: emacs for mac?
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I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
such a port  exist at all?
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From: louisnar@picpus.enstimac.fr (Olivier LOUISNARD)
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Subject: xemacs on linux doesn't start
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Hi,

I downloaded xemacs for installing on Linux (Kernel 1.2.13) :

xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static.tar.gz

After successful installation (I installed the binaries directly, 
without compiling anything), I try to launch xemacs, and get the
message :

	xemacs : cannot resolve symbol _h_errno
	Segmentation fault

I make an ldd on the binary xemacs to look at the required 
shared-libraries, and I've got all of them.

Do I have a library that is not up-to-date or something like that ?

Many thanks for help, and sorry if it is a FAQ.

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From: Stefan Seefeld <seefelds@ere.umontreal.ca>
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recentrly I tried to compile / install xemacs under IRIX 4.0.
It compiled smoothly but when I ran xemacs, there was a strange
behavior, i.e. xemacs seemed not to recognice any key-event. I could
move the cursor just by pressing the mouse within a text, but not with
the keybord. If I use the menu to open a file, writing in the open file
dialog box works fine.
Thanks for any hints,	Stefan

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From: Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS <Gary.Adams@East.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Caching font information for ps-print
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:10:27 -0400
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 

> You can turn this off by setting ps-auto-font-detect to nil, but that
> does not answer your question.  The ps-build-face-reference
> ps-always-build-face-reference don't appear to be much help either.
> 
> There's no option for it, so it would have to be coded as an extension
> to ps-print.

Hi Steve,
	Martin Buchholz suggested I ask you about the ps-print 
faces support. Seeing this post above, I'm assuming you're still 
active in this area.

      Anyway, I've been trying to find the right answer to the 
question, "How are mule encoded buffers printed in xemacs 20.0?"
I thought the right answer would be ps-print-buffer-with-faces,
but after a quick look at the code I think that only answers
part of the question. The old mule 2.3 sources used a stand alone
program to insert the bitmaps into the postscript output file.

    In theory, anything I see on the screen should be able to 
be sent to a printer.  My test case (20.0beta29) is "C-h T Japanese"
"C-u M-x ps-print-buffer-with-faces Tutorial.jp.ps". Is this 
just wishful thinking?

Any info/pointers would be appreciated.

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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: more libthread panic
Date: 23 Sep 1996 10:07:10 -0700
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I continue to be bewildered by this.  Ocassionally I get the following
output on my console when running Xemacs 19-14 under Solaris 2.5:

 > lucy local/sox%>  libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait()  > (PID: 9680 LWP 2)
 > stacktrace:
 >         ef31ac14
 >         ef31ca10
 >         ef3b3cec
 >         0
 > 

After a little bit Xemacs crashes with the following message on the
console:

 > _signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 > _signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 > 

This used to happen using VM and/or when fontifying long files.  I've
set font-lock to not fontify long files and that seemed to fix it but
it happend again this morning.  I started up Xemacs and immediatly
load VM.  As soon as it came up (with new messages in the inbox) I got
the first set of outputs on my console.  When I tried to get new mail
I got the second and Xemacs died.  (I suspect the same thing would
have happened had I tried to send mail).

There doesn't seem to be a core file anywhere.

Anyone have any idea how what this might be or a better way to trace
it?

Thanks,
--jp

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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Paramesh" == Paramesh Padmanabhan <paramesh@ikos.com> writes:
> Paramesh> You can do
> 
> Paramesh> M-x load-file
> > 
> Technically correct in one sense, but ...
> 
> The complete answer is, in general, no you cannot. The problem is

Thanks, Steven. I agree with you 100%. After re-loaded my .emacs, some
weird behaviors occured. I ended to exit and re-start the XEmacs.

Once again I also like to thank all the people having sended me the
solutions.

-- 
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From: Gary Ebert <gary@www.rdss.com>
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Subject: new version of etags for perl ?????
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:33:34 -0400
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I was just wondering if anyone out ther knows if there is a version of
etags that handles perl
subroutines that are located in a different file than the main program. 
(maybe this is done with a perl command line option that I'm unaware of)

Any comments/help would be appreciated.

Btw could you please respond to e-mail as well since I don't have a
chance to read this group as often as I'd like.

	thanks,
-- 
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Is there a way to cope with "MIME encoded messages" inside XEmacs?  I
am currently using VM, and like it, but receive MIME messages
occasionally, and need to be able to extract MIME attachments, etc.
How do people cope with MIME things in XEmacs/VM ???

-- 
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From: exukdki@exu.ericsson.se (Kurt Kite)
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Subject: problem with sound-alist
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Hi,

I am having a problem getting the default audible bell sound to be replaced
by sounds of my own choice.   I am using Xemacs  19.14 [Lucid] compiled
for SunOS 4.1.3 on a SPARCstation 5.  Here is what I have in my .emacs
file:

;; load sounds
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/doh2.au" 'doh)
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/combeep.au" 'combeep)
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/clink.au" 'clink)

(setq sound-alist
     (append
      '((default          :sound clink)
        (undefined-key    :sound clink)
        (undefined-click  :sound clink)
        (buffer-bound     :sound clink)
        (read-only        :sound clink)
        (command-error    :sound doh)
        (y-or-n-p         :sound clink) 
        (yes-or-no-p      :sound clink)
        (auto-save-error  :sound clink)
        (no-completion    :sound doh)
        (isearch-failed   :sound doh)
        (isearch-quit     :sound combeep)
        (quit             :sound clink)
        (ready            :sound combeep)
        (warp             :sound combeep)
        (alarm            :sound combeep)
        )
      sound-alist))

;; Set the volume
(setq bell-volume 10)

This is the complete contents of the file.

When I start xemacs with this .emacs file these sounds are not played.  The normal "beep" is
still used.  I can look at the sound-alist variable and it seems to be set correctly.  Also, this
used to work with xemacs 19.13.  It stopped working when xemacs 19.14 was installed.
I would appreciate any hints as to what could be the problem.

Thanks,
Kurt






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From: Franco Maras <eusfcm@exu.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: xemacs on Win95?
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Greg Flurry wrote:
> 
> Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
> doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?
> --
> Greg Flurry
> IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
> *** All opinions are my own ***

Try winemacs at http://www.pearlsoft.com/

-- 
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eusfcm@exu.ericsson.se                      // My opinions....

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

| 17.9.96, epstein@cd.com (Milt Epstein) gnu.emacs.help
| There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
| for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
| package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
| similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this

Comes also with emacs in the latest releases.
/jari


My LCD-datafile.gz, which can be ftp'd from ohio, says:
~ --> /archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive

;; msb|Lars Lindberg|Lars.Lindberg@sypro.cap.se, |
;; <Choose buffer with the mouse>|
;; 12-Dec-1994|3.22|Version ~/packages/msb.el.Z|~/packages/msb.el.gz|


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--
"The Man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything."


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root> Hi,

root> I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS
root> under XEMACS-19.14 on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can
root> only do it one at a time.  I tried marking more than one article
root> and hitting the decode button but I always get the error message
root> "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only
root> decode one article at a time?

You get the `wrong type file' message when you are attempting to
uudecode a group of messages and run across a message in MIME/base-64.
I would expect this to work much better once the Tools for MIME (tm)
package is distributed standard with XEmacs, and Gnus can be more MIME
aware.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: jerijian@mulholland.seas.ucla.edu (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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On 20 Sep 1996 17:16:26 GMT, Greg Flurry <flurry@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
>doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

Not that I'm aware of.  There's a version of GNU Emacs availavle
at ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu/pub/ntemacs.

>-- 
>Greg Flurry			
>IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
>*** All opinions are my own ***


-- 

  Arthur D. Jerijian     celestra@ix.netcom.com

  The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do
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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

You can push `C-c C-t' to insert a To header that points to the person
who wrote the article you're following up.

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Hi,

I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but I didn't.
I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I am able
to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the "Options" menu.
However, when I save the opetions and restart XEmacs, the fonts
are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my X display.  Is there a
way I can make lucidatypewriter my default font for all faces?

Thanks.

-- 

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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

Run the command 'message-insert-to' (C-c C-t) when doing a followup.
-- 

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>>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

Cristian> Hi,

Cristian> I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
Cristian> attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.

I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo
(referred as the maintainer in the source) about that problem, here is what he
answered : 

Torgeir> The error is due to the code that does double buffering in the
Torgeir> tree-display area. I didn't create that piece of code, I merely ported
Torgeir> a Motif browser to an athena widget version. I think the differences
Torgeir> between the Xt/Motif drawing-area and Athena's simple-widget may cause
Torgeir> the error, but I'm not shure. I'm not actively maintaining the code
Torgeir> anymore, due to lack of time. (Shame.. :)

Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.

Torgeir> I did wanted to reimplement the three drawing code when I did that
Torgeir> port, but it has some attrative features that are hard to implement,
Torgeir> and Bob (the originator of oobr), didn't want me to use time on that.

I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(

Unfortunately I have only very basic knowledge about X and could not
investigate the problem further. If someone has a solution it would really be
welcome !

Oscar

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Oscar Figueiredo wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
> Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.
> 
> Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
> Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
> Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.
> 
> I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
> certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
> xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo

> answered :
> 
> Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
> Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
> Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.
> 
> I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
> error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
> since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(
> 
> Oscar

Hi,

Thanks a lot. I advanced a little.

Indeed, the things are going wrong because of the color depth of X
server. Mine is set to 16 bpp. However, when I experimented on the other
virtual graphic terminal (display :1) at 8 bpp, it works great.

I think there is a standard (and of course, well known by the others but
not by me :-{ ) workaround for this not so beautiful situation when some
X programs are written for 8 bits depths and must force them support
more (or less!?) than that.

Of course, I tried for myself the PseudoColor thing, but for me xdpyinfo
reports only one visual available: TrueColor. And any other thing I
tried in the .Xdefaults is not working. That's that. If the time will
multiply for me tonight (by some miraculous time mitogenesis :->) I'll
search some information on changing visuals. If not ...


					Thanks again to you and to Torgeir

						Cristian

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Similar problem here.  Adding Sobhan Padamati's solution to ~/.emacs doesn't
seem to work too.

I currently have:
(setq auto-insert-directory 
      "/nfs/cassatt/70/tools/xemacs-19.14/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/misc/insert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Do I need to have template files with specific names in auto-insert-directory
?  If so, what should they be named.

I have not modified auto-insert-alist from the default value.

Sobhan  Padamati <spadamat@fore.com> writes:

> ;; C and other programming languages Configuration
> (setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
> (setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
>                           ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
> (load "autoinsert")
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

> Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:
> > Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within xemacs-19.13
> > it works fine.
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> > ;; Autoinsert
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> > (load-library "autoinsert")
> > (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> > (setq auto-insert-alist 
> >       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> > 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> > 	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> > 	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> > 	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> > 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> > 	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
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From: marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen)
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Hi,

Last week I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, 
September 1996) on my i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
the XEmacs 19.14 beast from the source by:

./configure --with-database=no
make

During compilation I get no error messages. 

In text mode XEmacs runs fine, but when I try to execute it on X, 
nothing happens. I get no error messages at all. When I press ^C,
I hear a beep, xemacs prints "Quit" in the xterm and I get my 
shell-prompt back. 

Previously, I had no problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out
and XEmacs 19.13 on Linux 2.0.12-ELF. Can someone help me with this 
problem?

Groeten,
Marcel Meuwissen

marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
 >> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
 Hrvoje> [...]

 Hrvoje> If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
 Hrvoje> correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
 Hrvoje> Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
 Hrvoje> feature of Emacs.

If Hrvoje is correct and Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology and
the behaviour Ian described was what Prasad wants, i.e.

 keyboard focus should follow mouse within Emacs frames across Emacs window
 boundaries, 

then Prasad should look into the mode-motion+ package, in particular the
value of mode-motion-focus-on-window =>

 mode-motion-focus-on-window's value is nil
   -- a variable declared in Lisp.

 Documentation:
 *Controls whether moving the mouse into another window selects this window.
 The following values are possible:

 nil	  - Window selection isn't influenced at all by mode motion.

 t	  - Window selection always follows the mouse cursor. Copying motion
	     active regions doesn't work any longer between different buffers.

 any other - window selection follows the mouse cursor if the motion handler
	     of the buffer under the mouse has the follow-point property set.
	     Useful for selecting line mode buffers just by moving the mouse
	     inside in order to execute commands there (VM summary,
	     GNUS Group and Subject, DIRED, Buffer menu etc.)

(I don't really recommend setting mode-motion-focus-on-window to t, I can't
imagine anyone wanting the cursor to track the mouse for long, but hey...)

As of mode-motion+ 3.16, no general motion handler is supplied with
follow-point set (although quite a few line-mode handlers have it).

The appropriate magic to create an underlining, syntax-sensitive,
highlighting handler with follow-point set is as follows:

 (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
		      'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)

Installing it as the global default is a little trickier, because you have
to explicitly turn off the mode-specific defaults that mode-motion+ turns
on which don't have follow-point set (if you see what I mean).  Something
like:

 (require 'mode-motion+)
 (setq default-motion-handler
       (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
			    'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t))
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-c-focus
		      'c-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-TeX-focus
		      'latex-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-tcl-focus
		      'tcl-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-texinfo-focus
		      'texinfo-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'emacs-lisp-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'lisp-interaction-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'latex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tcl-mode 'underline-tcl-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'texinfo-mode 'underline-texinfo-focus)

should do the trick.


Have fun.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 06:51:06 -0500
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Hello,

I just downloaded Xemacs 19.14 and was going to compile it for HP-UX 10.20.
I looked over the various READMEs, INSTALL and etc/MACHINES to make sure
there were no gotchas that someone had already found out about.  There did
not appear to be any so I did a

     ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux

I am on a C110, or HP9000/777, running HP-UX 10.20.  I have the ANSI C
and C++ compilers that come with HP-UX 10.20 installed.  Version of ANSI
C is A.10.32.03.  Version of C++ is A.10.22.

The configure was going along just fine until it got to the point of
trying to determine the size of short.

    ...
    checking for alloca
    checking for pid_t in sys/types.h
    checking for vfork.h
    checking for working vfork
    checking for strcoll
    checking size of short
    configure: can not determine size of short


I thought maybe HP no longer supported short :)

The conftest.c file was still there.  I tried to manually compile it
after I looked to see what the configure script was doing.  It complained
with the following error:

    cpp: "conftest.c", line 1: error 4036: Can't open include file
'confdefs.h'.


I commented out the trap statements in the configure script and ran the
script again.  This time when it bombed and I tried to compile the test
program I got this error:

    cc: "/usr/include/sys/types.h", line 150: error 1000: Unexpected \
     symbol: "int".


I looked at the /usr/include/sys/types.h file.  Line 150 and the lines
around it are as follows:

    #  ifndef _PID_T
    #    define _PID_T
         typedef int32_t pid_t;         /* For process and session IDs */
    #  endif /* _PID_T */


The confdefs.h file has these as the last 4 lines before it bombs:

    #define HAVE_ALLOCA 1
    #define pid_t int
    #define vfork fork
    #define HAVE_STRCOLL 1


I thought, hmm, what happens if I comment out the pid_t entry?  I
was able to compile conftest.c without any problems.

Looking over the configure script, it appeared to me that the vfork
test should have failed before the short test since it also makes use
of the confdefs.h file.  It doesn't during the configure run.  I
copied out that code into a separate file and tried to compile it.  I
ended up with the same error message as when I tried compiling the
short test.

The final test I did was put a "sleep 10" command in the script right
after the pid_t entry gets added to the confdefs.h file.  I re-ran the
configure script and got the exact same error at the short test again.

I'm not sure what's going on, but it appears there is a problem with
the configure program when trying to compile Xemacs 19.14 under
HP-UX 10.20.

If anyone finds out anything, please let me know by e-mail.  I don't
read the emacs newsgroups regularly.  Nor am I on the mailing lists.

Thanks.

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From: Russell Ritchie <ritchier@msc.ie>
To: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Q :Window activation by mouse movement?
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
In-Reply-To: <kig20fx3xiz.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>
References: <PDESHPAN.96Sep19104511@franc.dc.fore.com>
	<kig7mpp602m.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>
	<199609200943.KAA09402@ariel.uk.abs>
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
 >> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
 Hrvoje> [...]

 Hrvoje> If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
 Hrvoje> correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
 Hrvoje> Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
 Hrvoje> feature of Emacs.

If Hrvoje is correct and Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology and
the behaviour Ian described was what Prasad wants, i.e.

 keyboard focus should follow mouse within Emacs frames across Emacs window
 boundaries, 

then Prasad should look into the mode-motion+ package, in particular the
value of mode-motion-focus-on-window =>

 mode-motion-focus-on-window's value is nil
   -- a variable declared in Lisp.

 Documentation:
 *Controls whether moving the mouse into another window selects this window.
 The following values are possible:

 nil	  - Window selection isn't influenced at all by mode motion.

 t	  - Window selection always follows the mouse cursor. Copying motion
	     active regions doesn't work any longer between different buffers.

 any other - window selection follows the mouse cursor if the motion handler
	     of the buffer under the mouse has the follow-point property set.
	     Useful for selecting line mode buffers just by moving the mouse
	     inside in order to execute commands there (VM summary,
	     GNUS Group and Subject, DIRED, Buffer menu etc.)

(I don't really recommend setting mode-motion-focus-on-window to t, I can't
imagine anyone wanting the cursor to track the mouse for long, but hey...)

As of mode-motion+ 3.16, no general motion handler is supplied with
follow-point set (although quite a few line-mode handlers have it).

The appropriate magic to create an underlining, syntax-sensitive,
highlighting handler with follow-point set is as follows:

 (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
		      'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)

Installing it as the global default is a little trickier, because you have
to explicitly turn off the mode-specific defaults that mode-motion+ turns
on which don't have follow-point set (if you see what I mean).  Something
like:

 (require 'mode-motion+)
 (setq default-motion-handler
       (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
			    'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t))
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-c-focus
		      'c-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-TeX-focus
		      'latex-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-tcl-focus
		      'tcl-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-texinfo-focus
		      'texinfo-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'emacs-lisp-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'lisp-interaction-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'latex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tcl-mode 'underline-tcl-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'texinfo-mode 'underline-texinfo-focus)

should do the trick.


Have fun.

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How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
putting in my .emacs:
(setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
still it doesn't work.

Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
gets all right).

Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03

	Karl

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I am using XEmacs 19.14, but the problem also occurs in 19.13.

When XEmacs runs in a window, either using emacs -nw or by the use of
gnuattach, the initialization is wrong.  XEmacs uses the termcap
sequence "ve" in the initialization and the sequence "vs" when
resetting the terminal.  Unfortunately, this usage is exactly opposite
from both vi and the other GNU Emacs.

The XEmacs use looks correct from the IRIX 5.3 documentation of
terminfo, but if everyone else does it the other way round, maybe
XEmacs should too.
-- 
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Greg Flurry wrote:

> Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
> doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

I use the XEmacs with 95 with a X-Server. It's slow but still better
than every other ms-Editor.

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[Following my own post and responses from some people...]

Some people have pointed out that VM does not use font-lock, but
highlight-headers. This is correct, but IMHO, highlight-headers does
not have the stregnth of font-lock. But, as I complained, font-lock
gets confused by single '"' in the X-Face headers of some people
(Steven L. Baur, myself and other).

An Q&D workaround has been advised (I forgot by whom, but thanks
regardless) - I add another X- header containing a single '"' to
close the opened one. This mail has this feature already.

If anyone has a better solution, please step forward :-).

Thanks.

For those interested, here is my font-lock setup for VM:

(if (eq major-mode 'vm-mode)
    (set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-keywords)
   	 vm-font-lock-keywords))

(setq vm-font-lock-keywords
      '(
	("^Subject\: .*"     0 red-font-face)
	("^Date\: .*"        0 green-font-face)
	("^X-.*\: .*"        0 special-keyword-font)
	("^Priority-.*\: .*" 0 fb-font-face)
	))

(defun set-font-lock-faces ()
  (dummy-font-lock-mode-hook))

(add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'set-font-lock-faces)

(if AJK::use-font-lock-in-vm
    (progn
      (add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (font-lock-fontify-buffer)))))

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Subject: Re: loading VM with non-default folders
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root Hi,
root As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
root by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
root running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
root folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?

In your .emacs, add:

(defun foobar ()
   (interactive)
   (vm-visit-folder "your-folder-name"))

then:

xemacs -f foobar

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
/* .. I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my        ..*/
/* .. lawyer thinks he can get me five.        (Steven Wright)      ..*/

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I just dug out the names of the poeple who contributed in this issue:

Sean Dowd     <sdowd@mmts.eds.com>
Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>

Here's what Sean said:

>I noticed this in a mail from a friend of mine.  I got him to
>add a bogus header to his messages with a single quote in it:
>
>X-Bogus-Quote: "
>
>It'd be nice if there were a better way...

-- 
/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
/* .. I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my        ..*/
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From: nrosenba@dgis.dtic.dla.mil (Nate Rosenbaum)
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Originally, I posted this question, found what I thought was the
answer in the online XEMACS Reference Guide off of the XEMACS homepage.
Namely, I wanted to be able to save my interactions with seyon in
a buffer.  The answer according to the online manual is to enter 
 term minor-mode by typing M-x term.  the problem now is two-fold:
	1.  my alias of seyon -modems /dev/modem is unknown to the
        term  sub shell.
	2.  the mini-buffer has  /bin/bash in it.  When I backspace
over it to delete it and replace it with /usr/X11R6/bin/seyon -modems
/dev/modem I get error messages.  However, from the normal shell mode
I can type : seyon at the prompt, it knows my alias and I can run
seyon successfully-- albeit without saving the interactions to a buffer.
I've read some more about term mode, and have begun studying the O'Reilly
primer on BASH.  Does anyone have any suggestions how I might
run seyon from XEMACS and capture the interactions in a buffer?

Thanks
Nate Rosenbaum
nrosenba@dgis.dtic.dla.mil


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: MIME with XEmacs ???
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>>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Furnish <furnish@laura.llnl.gov> writes:

Geoffrey> Is there a way to cope with "MIME encoded messages" inside
Geoffrey> XEmacs?

[NOTE:  tm will be distributed standard with XEmacs 19.15.]

>From Part IV of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsytems.html#Q4_3_1

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages? [updated]
               
   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.

   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
               
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
               
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
               
Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]
                 
   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
               
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.

   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM

   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).  

   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.


-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Chris Lewis' machine wrote:
> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

What's going on?  It is *totally* unacceptable to cancel articles like
Arthur's.  It is on-topic and germane.

>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur D Jerijian <jerijian@sepulveda.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

Arthur> Hi,

Arthur> I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but
Arthur> I didn't.  I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

It is a FAQ, but I haven't put an answer into the FAQ yet, as I am
unclear on exactly what is going on.

Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
Arthur> default font for all faces?

Are the options actually being loaded?  Check for code added to your
[netscape INN bug fodder].emacs that looks something like:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
 ...
  (load-options-file \"...\")))

Hopefully options saving and restoral will work better in 19.15.

I set my default fonts out of .Xdefaults like this:

Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-bold-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -schumacher-clean-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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Subject: Installing tools
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     Hello,

     Does anyone know how to install a lisp tool to be avaliable to use
with emacs? I do have an irc client, and want to use it in xemacs...

     Please answer-me by e-mail, if possible,: daftm@dcc.ufmg.br
                                               daftm@io.com


Thanks in advance,

---------------------------------------
Daniel Augusto Fernandes (DAF tm)
UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE MINAS GERAIS
BRAZIL


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

hi,

i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el but it doesn't
work with XEmacs giving this error:

Symbols' function definition is void: set-window-display-table.

this is a really short piece of lisp - unfortunately i don't know lisp
at all...

- -pjf

- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
			  finger for PGP key
zifi runs LINUX 2.0.20  -=-=-=WEB=-=-=->  http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu

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What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

...Mike
-- 
Michael Wright 			UNIX System Administrator
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From: Keith Waclena <keith@brick.lib.uchicago.edu>
Subject: xemacs (font-lock) space leak?
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I'm wondering if xemacs is leaking space like a seive or if I'm
imagining it.  It looks to me like it may be font-lock, but I'm not
sure; seems to be worst when I'm running w3 or editing lots of files
in a language-specific mode (like html-helper-mode) that does a lot of
font-locking.

I'm running:

    XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4) of Mon Jul  1 1996 on brick
    WWW 3.0.3, URL 1.0.34, MM 1.96

on a Sun Sparc 5 running SunSO-4.1.4 with about 60 meg of memory.  

The symptoms: after about an hour or two of moderate web browsing
(visiting, say, 20 or 25 distinct (and small) web pages) or editing in
language-modes (say, 10 to 15 (small) files), xemacs has grown from
it's starting size of about 6 meg to a bloated 30 meg or more!  At
this point, visiting a new file (or browsing a new web page) stalls me
for many many many seconds and it gets so bad I essentially have to
exit emacs and start over.  Here's what sps says:

    $ sps vtw p5
    Ty User     Status Fl Nice Prv  Shr  Res %M  Time Child %C Proc# Command
    p5 keith    pause          420+ 876    0  0   1.2+ 11 M  0  3206 -zsh
    p5. *       SELECT        30268+1744 30476 51 579.1+ 16.4  0  3780 xemacs
    54 (60836k) processes, 1 (860k) busy, 29 (33160k) loaded, 24 (592k) swapped

Anyway, here is a list of the buffers I have in this particular
bloated emacs; (memory-limit) => 28744.

 MR Buffer           Size  Mode         File
 -- ------           ----  ----         ----
.*  INDEX	      560  Fundamental	/data/web/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/INDEX
 *  +drafts/3	      829  Draft	/home/keith/Mail/drafts/3
 * "Computer-Related Training" 3753 WWW	http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/
   "Web Central"     1679  WWW		http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/keith/web-central.html
    home.template     982  Fundamental	/data/web/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/home.template
    SOURCES	     9847  Fundamental	/admin/jinn/SOURCES
    *scratch*	        0  Emacs-Lisp
  % *Completions*     121  Completion List
  %"*Mew message*"    217  Message
    *vc*	      114  Fundamental
  % +drafts	      176  Summary
 * "*Buffer List*"    728  Buffer Menu

Setting font-lock-auto-fontify to nil at the beginning of the session
seems to do a pretty good job of fixing this problem, but my users are
(rightly) scornful of this `solution' of mine...

Is anyone else seeing anything like this or is it just me?  Any
suggestions?

--
Keith Waclena / k-waclena@uchicago.edu / ATKQJ / MIME / RFC-1521 / PGP
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From: Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com>
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I downloaded tra-vm-mime off the internet and installed it. There's a
short piece you need to add to your .emacs file to make it work. It
has very good installation instructions.

...Mike
-- 
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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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When I run cvs-update on any directory containing files checked out from CVS,
the output is as given below.  I see no file level output -- just directory
level output.  It is unlike the suggested buffer contents in the pcl-cvs
manual (http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/cvs/pcl-cvs_8.html#SEC8).

Can't seem to be able to move into the directory except with 'f', which puts
me in a dired buffer :|

Am I doing something wrong ?
TIA.

PCL-CVS release 1.05 from CVS release $Name:  $.
Copyright (C) 1992, 1993 Per Cederqvist
Pcl-cvs comes with absolutely no warranty; for details consult the manual.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
conditions; again, consult the TeXinfo manual for details.

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/bin:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/data:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/expData:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/include:

-- 

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Q: How to build a purified version of XEmacs
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>>>>> "Oliver" == Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com> writes:

Oliver> Every now and then, my XEmacs chrashes for no obvious reasons. Worse
Oliver> yet, gdb sometimes doesn't show a backtrace but comes up with a
Oliver> `cannot access memory at address xxx' message.

Oliver> To track down the problem, I tried to build a purified version, which
Oliver> didn't work. The output of

Try 
cd src; make puremacs
You may have to edit the makefile to fiddle with Purify paths and
options.  Don't try making a dumped version.  Run puremacs with
something like 
puremacs -l loadup.el


Good Luck.

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From: sokeeffe@ucsd.edu (Sean O'Keeffe)
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The OO Browser Info pages describes a graphical X browser called xoobr.  Where can I find it? 
I have looked through the distribution and I can't find any reference to it.
I am using XEmacs under Solaris 2.5.

Thanks, Sean

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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> poll: Interrupted system call

There have been a number of workarounds posted for this problem, but the best
solution is to get the patch from HP which fixes the underlying problem (a
bug in the HP-UX 10.10 curses library).  The patch you want is PHCO_8086.
See http://support.mayfield.hp.com/ for information on how to retrieve this
patch.

(I don't speak officially for HP, but this patch fixed this and some other
XEmacs problems for me.)

------------
Phil Johnson
Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Deleting frames
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Roger Lipp <lipp@cup.hp.com> writes:

> In 19.14 I can delete any frame except the last *mapped* frame.
> yikes!  I use HP-VUE so my hand-dandy scratch-buffer-frame is in a
> different room (not currently mapped), so I can't delete the current
> frame.  I wind up with a mapped frame per VUE room.  Not pretty
> for me!

I've seen this problem, too.  There was a change made to frame.c which
doesn't seem to work quite right.  (I assume the error message you're
encountering is "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame.")  It
often gives this message even though there are iconified frames in the same
workspace!

My workaround was to add this line to .emacs:

	(setq allow-deletion-of-last-visible-frame t)

This seems to have fixed the problem for me.  (It still won't let you delete
the last frame -- which is good -- but it will let you delete the last
visible frame.)

------------
Phil Johnson
Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

Roman> unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source
Roman> code.  i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have
Roman> this limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility
Roman> to fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami
Roman> editor).  this would make it easier to keep track of a module
Roman> while programming.

Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
distribution:

;;; foldout.el --- Folding extensions for outline-mode and outline-minor-mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Kevin Broadey <KevinB@bartley.demon.co.uk>
 ...
;;; Advertisements:
 ...
;; c-outline.el (by me) provides outline-mode support to recognise `C'
;; statements as outline headings, so with foldout you can have a folding `C'
;; code editor without having to put in start- and end-of-fold markers.  This
;; is a real winner!


I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works.
-- 
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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I just tried to resize my main XEmacs frame (the X window) by dragging the
corner, but it would only allow me a maximum width of 137 columns (I should
have enough screen real estate for 160 columns at this font size).  Is there
something in XEmacs that is controlling this or is it a configuration problem
with X-windows itself?

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From: Salman Dhanani <sdhanani@San-Jose.ate.slb.com>
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Subject: Xemacs install
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I ftp'd the sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks binaries and common files from
ftp.xemacs.org uncompressed them and tried to run xemacs.

the response I got was  ....

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource


Does anyone know what's happining ?

thanks in advance

Salman


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From: Aschwin Gopalan <gopalan@helium.physik.uni-kl.de>
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Hi!

Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> 
> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll, I
> have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last part
> (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white. The Xresources
> are not considered. A colleague of mine, which uses my machine
> remotely from a Sun (which supposedly uses X11R6) tried too the Xoobr
> and OBTAINED CORRECT RESULTS (visible tree, drawn in yellow on
> darkgrey with red for selections, as I configured).
.. things deleted
> 
> 				Cristian
> 

Well, I had the same problem when I used a mode using more than 256 colors.
I think Xoobr isn't able to display correctly on 16 or 24 bit visuals.

If you manage to get it running, please e-mail me. I just hate to have to
go back to colormap switching just because xoobr. (Though I like it a lot!)

greetings

Aki

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From: Francesc Rocher <rocher@enterprise.udg.es>
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Subject: How to do something with xemacs-19.14?
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Hi all,

I've updated to xemacs-19.14, and it does nothing!!! Well, only
in tty mode. Under X, it doesn't appears any frame, doesn't
prints anything, doesn't happens. I have the correct version of the
libraries needed -libc, libm- and, I think, I have well configured
the file /etc/hosts. Any suggestion?


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From: Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
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>>>>> "Phil" == Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:

    Phil> boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:
    >> poll: Interrupted system call

    Phil> There have been a number of workarounds posted for this
    Phil> problem, but the best solution is to get the patch from HP
    Phil> which fixes the underlying problem (a bug in the HP-UX 10.10
    Phil> curses library).  The patch you want is PHCO_8086.  See
    Phil> http://support.mayfield.hp.com/ for information on how to
    Phil> retrieve this patch.

    Phil> (I don't speak officially for HP, but this patch fixed this
    Phil> and some other XEmacs problems for me.)


FWIW: I recently rebuilt a hpux 9.05 binary kit, which Chuck has
confirmed he made available on ftp.xemacs.org. This binary kit
includes a fix to make this binary run on both hpux 9.X and hpux 10.X
(including 10.10) without any problem.

It also includes a fix for HP's broken strcat() which can cause core
dumps on 10.X and on some brand of 9.X.

Richard.

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Upgrade either XEmacs or AUC TeX and the problem will go away.  The
latest AUC TeX is always available at:

	<URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>


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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Date: 25 Sep 1996 14:06:20 +0100
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Hi all,
Is there an option in the debugger to step over a frame?
I mean, just execute the whole frame and return it's value, with out decending
to it's components.

For example, I've got the code: (setq a (+ 2 3))
If I step through it I get in the debugger:

* (+ 2 3)
* (setq a (+ 2 3))

and after 2 d's (debugger-step-through), I get the result 5.

I want to get 5 after one step, when the debugger is in this state:

* (setq a (+ 2 3))

Is it possible?

This is a very simplified example. The real usage is in functions like
`message' which takes forever to perform, and has huge code.
-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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From: Karsten Rothemund <karo@physiology.rwth-aachen.de>
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Hallo all out there,

I have a problem with XEmacs 19.13 (under Linux 1.2.13 if it matters) and
AucTeX Version 9.2y. It occurs if I want to "Insert Environment" "Whatever".
AucTeX begins to insert:
"\begin{Whatever}

"
here it stops and I can read "Wrong type argument buffer "\\b""

BTW: If I "Change Environment" all seems OK.

I can read the same message, when I try to TAB something in a "\begin{}
\end{}"-block.

I don`t know how to fix that (because I`m not an elisp wizzard).

Please send me a mail copy, because I can`t read the newsgroups regularly.

Thanx for any help,
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	Karsten 

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
> a buffer.

	Something like this, perhaps? Note that the call to
completing-read can be replaced by something like 
	(read-string "Printer? " (or (getenv "PRINTER") (getenv "LPDEST")))

;;;--------------------
(defadvice lpr-buffer (around get-printer (&optional pref) activate)
  (interactive "P")
  (and (or pref
	   (null lpr-switches))
       (setq lpr-switches
	     (list
	      (if (eq system-type 'berkeley-unix)
		  "-P"
		"-d")
	      (completing-read "Printer? " 
			       (parse-printcap)
			       nil
			       t
			       (or (getenv "PRINTER")
				   (getenv "LPDEST"))))))
  ad-do-it)

(defun parse-printcap (&optional pcap)
  "Parse a printcap file, returning a list of printer
names/descriptions." 
  (or pcap
      (setq pcap "/etc/printcap"))
  (or (file-exists-p pcap)
      (error "%s does not exist" pcap))
  (or (file-readable-p pcap)
      (error "%s exists, but cannot be read" pcap))
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (find-file-noselect pcap))
    (save-restriction
      (widen)
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (let (entry names name desc printers)
	(while (or 
		(looking-at "^\\s-*$")
		(looking-at "^\\s-*#"))
	  (forward-line 1))
	(while (< (point) (point-max))
	  (setq entry 
		(concat entry 
			(buffer-substring (point)
					  (progn (end-of-line)
						 (point)))))
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (or (string-match "\\\\$" entry)
	      (progn
		(setq entry (replace-in-string entry ":.*" ""))
		(setq names (split-string entry "|"))
		(and (> (length names) 1)
		     (string-match "^[0-9]+$" (car names))
		     (setq names (cdr names)))
		(setq name (car names)
		      desc (car (reverse names)))
		(or (string-match " " desc)
		    (setq desc ""))
		(setq printers (cons (cons name desc) printers)
		      entry nil)))
	  (while (and (not (eobp))
		      (or 
		       (looking-at "^\\s-*$")
		       (looking-at "^\\s-*#")))
	    (forward-line 1)))
	printers))))


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In 19.13, I discovered that if I started a visit-file or dired command
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I'm getting my personal mail from a pop server these days.  Is there a
package out there to get emacs to talk to these guys?

thanks,
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Hi,

How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that 
is within #ifdef and #endif only?

I am using Xemacs 19.13.

Thanks very much in advance.

Rita
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========================================================
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Email: rlui@raleigh.ibm.com
Phone: 919-254-9496 

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Subject: reload-file Function needed !!!!!!
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Hello,

i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????

Mni Tnx
Jens


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>>>>> "pjf" == zinc  <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:

pjf> i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el but it doesn't
pjf> work with XEmacs giving this error:

XEmacs gnus comes with message-caesar-region, which works with 19.14.
19.15 will come with tm, which also defines tm:caesar-region.

You probably want to do:

(require 'message)
Then
M-x message-caesar-region

If you want to do this within gnus, then the functionality is builtin.

Martin

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Bernd Classen writes:
 |
 |Hello,
 |
 |i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
 |disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????
 |
 |Mni Tnx
 |Jens
 |

how about setting a key to do this:

(global-set-key [f5] 'revert-buffer)

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I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs in C-mode to
examine a specified makefile and look for -D options which define flags etc.,
and also in .h files, so that the parsing of the .c files will be the same as
when they're run through the compiler.

On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:
> Subject: How to display code within #ifdef and #endif?
> Hi,
>
> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that
> is within #ifdef and #endif only?
>
> I am using Xemacs 19.13.
>
> Thanks very much in advance.
>
> Rita
> --
> ========================================================
> Rita Lui
> Email: rlui@raleigh.ibm.com
> Phone: 919-254-9496
>-- End of excerpt from Rita Lui



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Is there a way to remove the info. like "(C Mode)" etc from the modeline.  This
takes up too much space and is useless info because I can always tell what mode
I'm in anyways, and check via "C-h m".  Also, I don't need the filename there
either since it's displayed at the top of the window.  I'm running XEmacs 19.14
under SGI IRIX 6.2.  I guess that I could always redefine the whole modeline
string without these things, but I'm seeking an easier way, some short kludge
for my .emacs file.

Thanks,

Joel.

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Joel Shapiro writes:
 > 
 > Is there a way to remove the info. like "(C Mode)" etc from the modeline.  This
 > takes up too much space and is useless info because I can always tell what mode
 > I'm in anyways, and check via "C-h m".  Also, I don't need the filename there
 > either since it's displayed at the top of the window.

This is a bit of a "me too" - in previous versions of XEmacs I'd
altered the whole modeline string, but that seems more difficult now
if the extents are to be maintained.  I've saved space somewhat by
removing the directory part of the filename and reducing the space
needed for the modification string.  Cut from my .emacs:

       ;; the modeline is filling up - cut down displayed information
       (setq modeline-click-swaps-buffers t)
       (setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1+ "))
       (setq-default modeline-buffer-identification '("%b"))
;       (setq-default modeline-format 
;                     '("" modeline-modified 
;                       (-3 . "%p") 
;                       " " global-mode-string modeline-buffer-identification
;                       " %[("mode-name "%n" modeline-process 
;                       minor-mode-alist ")%] %-"))

       ;; display present line and column number
       (require 'line-col)
       (lc-display-all)

I'd dearly like to hack my modeline as before, so that the more
meaningful pieces of info. (to me!) are at the left.  How do I do this
and still maintain the extents?

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I have notices a slight difference in behavior between versions of
tex-mode for FSF Emacs and for XEmacs.  Specifically, the version for
FSF has two nice feautures:

  1) Using Xdvi, files automatically update without having to hit `R'
     to reload the file, and
  2) FSF tex-mode does not erase the buffer files between tex-buffer
     runs, so that one can TeX a buffer twice to resolve
     cross-references.  XEmacs's tex-mode wipes the .aux file, etc.,
     when tex-buffer is reinvoked.

Is there an XEmacs-capable version of tex-mode.el that supports these
features?

Thanks,

CJW

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Subject: Re: etags and c-mode extension (question)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:10:22 -0700
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> the second thing i'd like is the possibility to fold c-procedures as in
Roman> a folding editor (e.g. origami editor).  this would make it easier to
Roman> keep track of a module while programming.

> Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
> distribution:

Another possibility is to look at folding.el -- it adds a folding minor mode
to (X)Emacs with all the options of a folding editor.  With it, you could
decide what you want to fold and how by using special comments.  Its at:

	    ftp://ftp.csd.uu.se/pub/users/andersl/beta/folding.el

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Hi,

This is my setup, and works... (for XEmacs 19.13 and 19.14)

;;
;; Package: func-menu
;; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
;;
;; func-menu is a package that scans your source file for function definitions
;; and makes a menubar entry that lets you jump to any particular function
;; definition by selecting it from the menu.  The following code turns this on
;; for all of the recognized languages.  Scanning the buffer takes some time,
;; but not much. 
;;
;; NOTE: key bindings are assigned in xemacs-keys.el)

(require 'func-menu)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

(setq fume-max-items 25
      fume-fn-window-position 3
      fume-auto-position-popup t
      fume-display-in-modeline-p t
      fume-buffer-name "*Function List*"
      fume-no-prompt-on-valid-default nil
      fume-function-name-regexp-perl "^sub[ \t]+\\([A-Za-z0-9_:']+\\)")


The only funny thing is that if there are more than one buffers in the
same frame, (let's say 2 different files shwon), each time you switch
from one buffer to another, both modelines are fixed with the function
name... even if one file is a plain text file and the other is known
language syntax file.

Bug or Feature?

--- Ricky.

>>>>> Karl Storck writes:

 Karl: How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
 Karl: function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
 Karl: putting in my .emacs:
 Karl: (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

 Karl: I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
 Karl: still it doesn't work.

 Karl: Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
 Karl: the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
 Karl: gets all right).

 Karl: Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03

 Karl: 	Karl

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Subject: Re: WHere can I find the X OO Browser
Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:51:42 -0700
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>>>>> "Sean" == Sean O'Keeffe <sokeeffe@ucsd.edu> writes:

Sean> The OO Browser Info pages describes a graphical X browser called
Sean> xoobr.  Where can I find it?  I have looked through the
Sean> distribution and I can't find any reference to it.  I am using
Sean> XEmacs under Solaris 2.5.

It's in a tough place to find.  Look in `lisp/oobr/tree-x' and
`lisp/oobr/tree-nx'.  I believe it will be moved to a more logical
place in 19.15.

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

> On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:

>> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that is within #ifdef and
>> #endif only?

> I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs in C-mode to
> examine a specified makefile and look for -D options which define flags
> etc., and also in .h files, so that the parsing of the .c files will be the
> same as when they're run through the compiler.

I doubt that (X)Emacs could do the work of a compiler and figure out all the
things that should be hidden.  Some ideas, though, might be:

* foldout.el - implements a folding minor mode for outline buffers which can
  be used with the next package.
* c-outline.el - adds definitions for C statements to foldout.el, perhaps it
  could be adapted to recognize #ifdef.
* hideif.el - this may do the reverse of what you want (ie. hide #ifdef code
  based on symbols), but it won't automatically figure things out.
* hideshow.el - another take on the c-outline idea, I think.
* folding.el - a generalized folding editor that maybe you could use.

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>>>>> "zinc" == zinc  <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.31/XEmacs 19.14

zinc> hi,

zinc> i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el ...

Look in the Gnus sources for it.  In Gnus 5.2 or later, it is in
message.el in functions called message-caesar-region,
message-caesar-buffer-body.

message-caesar-region: (b e &optional n)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "message".
Caesar rotation of region by N, default 13, for decrypting netnews.

message-caesar-buffer-body: (&optional rotnum)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "message".
Caesar rotates all letters in the current buffer by 13 places.
Used to encode/decode possibly offensive messages (commonly in net.jokes).
With prefix arg, specifies the number of places to rotate each letter forward.
Mail and USENET news headers are not rotated.

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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

Karl> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
Karl> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
Karl> putting in my .emacs:
Karl> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

David Hughes made a suggestion concerning this to this newsgroup
recently.

Remove or comment out the line reading:
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

And add a keybinding like:
(define-key global-map [(control c) x] 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

so that you can toggle the behavior back on if you need it.

It works for me.
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>>>>> "Nate" == Nate Rosenbaum <nrosenba@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> writes:

Nate> Does anyone have any suggestions how I might run seyon from
Nate> XEMACS and capture the interactions in a buffer?

Examine the function make-term.

make-term: an autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "term".
Make a term process NAME in a buffer, running PROGRAM.
The name of the buffer is made by surrounding NAME with `*'s.
If there is already a running process in that buffer, it is not restarted.
Optional third arg STARTFILE is the name of a file to send the contents of to 
the process.  Any more args are arguments to PROGRAM.

I believe you want something like:
(make-term "Seyon" "seyon" nil "-modems" "/dev/modem")

If term works for you (it doesn't work at all for me), then that will
probably be enough.

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Does anybody know of a package for Emacs or XEmacs that will autohide
(bury or delete) idle buffers, perhaps as an extention of the autosave
feature?  The idea would be to use the feature in conjunction with
crypt to ensure that encrypted buffers don't hang around in an Emacs
session longer than they're needed, for example if the user gets
called away and doesn't have a chance to delete the buffers.

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Hi All,

Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

I've searched through the newsgroup archives as well as posting
previously myself about this problem and have not come up
with a viable solution.

Sure, the edit-faces stuff saves ok.  But I have a lot of users
who don't want to bother with that and instead want to be able
to pick their font/font-size on the fly.   Especially new users.

I've tried a patch to "defun save-options-menu-settings" that Frederic
Abiven posted.  Which didn't change anything.  ??

I haven't tried deleting all my references to
"add-spec-list-to-specifier" but that was because it seemed like
such a bad solution.  There are references to it all over the 
.xemacs-options file.  And I don't need new users having to hack
up their file in order to get it to work.

When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
.xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
everyone else to 19.14.

>Steven L Baur wrote: 
> Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
> Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
> Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
> Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
> Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
> Arthur> default font for all faces?
> 
> Hopefully options saving and restoral will work better in 19.15.
> 

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Is there any way to tell XEmacs to use a frame size in pixels instead
of characters?

It is kind of annoying that I can't get the width I want because it is
between two characters. It is quite silly because I am using a
proportional font. I would like the frame size to be independent of
the font I happen to choose, too.


Benny

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Help,

 In 19.13 I could not successfully get the gnuserv-start to work. 
 I could not invoke emacsclient and have it run.
 I used start-server (from FSF) to work in its place and this worked
 fine with emacsclient.

 In 19.14, which I just installed I could not get gnuserve-start to
 allow a emacsclient to attach. And start-server is no longer bound to
 any function.

 What am I doing wrong. Does gnuserve-start work?

Also,

 In 19.13 I downloaded and installed:

   xemacs-19.13-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4-openwindows3.0.tar.gz

 In 19.14 I could only find:

   xmeacs-19.14-spar-sun-sunos4.1.3.tar.gz

 Is this known to work with 4.1.4 and openwindow3.0? There doesn't
 appear to be any problems yet.


Thanks in advance,

 Stevew.

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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
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I assume the scenario is that you have just added a new defun, binding,
or something like that, and you want it to take affect.  What you should
be doing here is some sort of evaluate-region instead.

The most common example of this for me is when I add a new key binding
to my .emacs, I move to the end of the sexp and type c-x c-e (evaluate
sexp) and the new code takes affect.
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From: Michael Flynn <mike@riskmonitors.com>
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Hey,

It's got to be a bug.  I had the exact same problem, and after hacking
through the code, I really didn't find an adequate fix (I did get some
funky modelines). I was able to toggle the mode off, but never able to
permenantly turn it off. (it comes back each buffer since it's buffer
local)

What really pissed me off what the hack that was in there to set it's
position in the modeline.  If I couldn't turn it off, I at least wanted
to put it at the end.  But I couldn't figure that out.

The solution I arrived at was to change my modeline-format to put the
line numbers before the major and minor mode descriptions.

If this ever gets fixed or if I'm missing something clue me in!

Thanks,
-Mike


Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
> 
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
> 
>         Karl

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[Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

>(setq auto-insert-alist 
>      '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
>	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
>	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
>	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
>	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))

This syntax is wrong.  Try this instead:

(setq auto-insert-alist 
      '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	("\\.delos\\'" . "i.delos")
	("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")
	("[Mm]akefile\\'" . "i.make")))

In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
string at the end of a string).
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>>>>> "Marcel" == Marcel Meuwissen <marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> writes:

Marcel> Hi,
Marcel> Last week I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, 
Marcel> September 1996) on my i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
Marcel> the XEmacs 19.14 beast from the source by:

Marcel> ./configure --with-database=no
Marcel> make

Marcel> During compilation I get no error messages. 

Marcel> In text mode XEmacs runs fine, but when I try to execute it on
Marcel> X, nothing happens. I get no error messages at all. When I
Marcel> press ^C, I hear a beep, xemacs prints "Quit" in the xterm and
Marcel> I get my shell-prompt back.

Marcel> Previously, I had no problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux
Marcel> 1.2.8-a.out and XEmacs 19.13 on Linux 2.0.12-ELF. Can someone
Marcel> help me with this problem?

This sounds like a broken /etc/hosts except that you say 19.14/a.out
works.

What is your hostname set up to be?  Some broken Linux configurations
define a hostname to be 127.0.0.1 which is just plain wrong.

A minimal /etc/hosts will look something like:
127.0.0.1       localhost
192.168.1.1	my-host-name

If that's not it, start checking library versions, it could also be a
bad shared library.
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>>>>> "Olivier" == Olivier LOUISNARD <louisnar@picpus.enstimac.fr> writes:

Olivier> 	xemacs : cannot resolve symbol _h_errno
Olivier> 	Segmentation fault

Olivier> Do I have a library that is not up-to-date or something like that ?

Yup.  See part II of the XEmacs FAQ.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

Olivier> Many thanks for help, and sorry if it is a FAQ.

Sigh. :-(
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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

Joel> I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs
Joel> in C-mode to examine a specified makefile and look for -D
Joel> options which define flags etc., and also in .h files, so that
Joel> the parsing of the .c files will be the same as when they're run
Joel> through the compiler.

Per Abrahamsen's cpp.el will do something similar (allow selective
hiding by variable name), but as far as I know, no one has ported that
package to XEmacs.

> On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:
Rita> Subject: How to display code within #ifdef and #endif?
Rita> Hi,
Rita> 
Rita> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that
Rita> is within #ifdef and #endif only?
Rita> 
Rita> I am using Xemacs 19.13.
Rita> 
Rita> Thanks very much in advance.

You might try hide-ifdef-mode (I think it's in 19.13):

hide-ifdef-mode: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "hideif".
Toggle Hide-Ifdef mode.  This is a minor mode, albeit a large one.
With ARG, turn Hide-Ifdef mode on if arg is positive, off otherwise.
In Hide-Ifdef mode, code within #ifdef constructs that the C preprocessor
would eliminate may be hidden from view.  Several variables affect
how the hiding is done:
 ...
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>>>>>   <moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se> writes:

> Hi,
> Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
> files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?

> Thanks,

> Morten

Tested only against XEmacs, execute when visiting a dired buffer.

(defun dired-toggle-mark (&optional arg)
  (interactive "P")
  (let (ichar buffer-read-only)
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (forward-line 2)
      (while (not (eobp))
	(setq ichar (if (looking-at " ") dired-marker-char ?\  ))
	(delete-char 1)
	(insert ichar)
	(forward-line 1)))))

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Anyone seen this?

otto:/usr/local/src/HPUX/inwork/xemacs-19.14/src> ./xemacs
Error: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm" to parent "xemacs" which 
supports only widgets

configuration was:
./configure --cflags=-O3 --dynamic=yes --with-xpm=yes --with-xface=yes
--with-jpeg=yes --with-png=yes

OS: HP-UX A.09.03 A 9000/712 

Thanks,

-Michael

P.S.: pls. "cc:" to my address

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I use (x)emacs for editing VHDL-files. My problem is that the files I
edit are usually all called vhdl.vhd (but in different directories, of
course). As a result, I tend to have vhdl.vhd<1> to vhdl.vhd<xx> in
the buffers menu, making it pretty difficult to find the file I want.

The question is, is it possible to change the names that appear in the
buffer menu to reflect what is actually in the files (I can easily
write a regexp to get a better description for the file), rather than
just the filename?
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    Hi,
    
    I have just met Bill Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu
    and talked with him about his functions
    
	exec-to-string
	with-output-to-string
	
    which seem to be adopted to XE 19.14. However Richard Stallman
    said that the name exec-to-string is not well chosen enough to
    describe what the command does. He's planning to include
    the function into emacs with name
    
	shell-command-to-string  (old exec-to-string)

    To help us lisp package developers, could you add an alias 
    definition or change the name to the same as Emacs uses.
    
    Furher on, please, XEmacs developers and Emacs developers, be in contact
    when you add functions to either of emacs releases and make an
    agreement about the common function names.
    
    Recently I have seen post by Erik that mentioned something about
    new lisp function beeing added to Emacs distribution. Would you
    Erik inform the XEmacs people about these new functions.


    
    Thank you.
    /jari
    
    
    

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Subject: Re: Save-options -- CAN ANYONE GET IT TO WORK?
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> Hi All,
Mike> Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

 ...

Mike> When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
Mike> .xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
Mike> believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
Mike> all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Mike> Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
Mike> it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
Mike> everyone else to 19.14.

After considerable digging around, I found that everything seems to be
working fine except that stuff like font type and font size are not
being saved and thus, not restored.

I have found an extremely ugly workaround.  That being said, the fix
requires a source installation.  Go into lisp/x11 and apply the
attached patch, then redump XEmacs by performing `make all-elc'.
XEmacs *must* be redumped for this to work.  This patch was developed
against XEmacs beta 19.15 so the offsets are a little off, but the
patch applies safely to distribution 19.14, and does appear to address
the problems everyone has been describing.

Hopefully, things will work better in 19.15.

This is not pretty, but you've been warned ...

*** x-menubar.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:33:41 1996
--- x-menubar.el	Thu Sep 26 01:16:10 1996
***************
*** 923,928 ****
--- 923,929 ----
  
  
  ;;; The Options menu
+ (defvar save-options-font-hack nil)
  
  (defconst options-menu-saved-forms
    ;; This is really quite a kludge, but it gets the job done.
***************
*** 1062,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
--- 1063,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! p			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
***************
*** 1167,1172 ****
--- 1168,1192 ----
  			     (prin1 var))))
  		    (if var (princ "\n")))
  		options-menu-saved-forms)
+ 	(when save-options-font-hack
+ 	  (princ "(require 'x-font-menu)\n")
+ 	  (princ "(setq save-options-font-hack '(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ "))\n(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ ")\n"))
  	))
      (set-marker options-output-marker nil)
      (save-excursion

*** x-font-menu.el~	Sun Sep  8 16:50:33 1996
--- x-font-menu.el	Thu Sep 26 01:13:40 1996
***************
*** 452,457 ****
--- 452,461 ----
  			       (or weight from-weight)
  			       (or size   from-size)
  			       default-name))
+     (setq save-options-font-hack (list 'font-menu-set-font
+ 				       (or family from-family)
+ 				       (or weight from-weight)
+ 				       (or size from-size)))
      (while faces
        (cond ((face-font-instance (car faces))
  	     (message "Changing font of `%s'..." (car faces))

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does anybody know the approximate date ?
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From: Eelco Essenberg <eelco@mw-testnl1.pureatria.com>
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Subject: Re: Font change, then saving options, doesn't work
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
> Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
> Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
> Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
> Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
> Arthur> default font for all faces?

I had the same problem with XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4 (also built with 
gcc 2.7.2).  For me moving the "(load-options-file ...)" to the top of my 
".emacs" (rather than the end) solved the problem...

Just my $0.02,

Eelco.

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Func-menu and the modeline display
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:26:29 -0700
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Karl Storck wrote:
>
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
>
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
>
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
>
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
>
>         Karl

Hm, does work for me without any problem.

Normaly I have

;; (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

in my .emacs, since what bothers me is only the speed of scrolling and 
not the display itself. But when I do a 

M-x set-variable fume-display-in-modeline-p nil

in a (FORTRAN-)buffer the modeline-display disappears at once. When 
switching back on again, I have to do a revert-buffer.

XEmacs 19.14 on DEC ALPHA OSF/3.2, precompilied binaries

HTH,
Thomas
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Subject: Re: modeline information
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> This is a bit of a "me too" - in previous versions of XEmacs I'd
> altered the whole modeline string, but that seems more difficult now
> if the extents are to be maintained.  I've saved space somewhat by
> removing the directory part of the filename and reducing the space
> needed for the modification string.  Cut from my .emacs:
> 
> I'd dearly like to hack my modeline as before, so that the more
> meaningful pieces of info. (to me!) are at the left.  How do I do this
> and still maintain the extents?

I had the same problem, when switching to XEmacs 19.14. Here is what I 
came up with:

;;########################################################################
;;
;; defun's needed for modeline
;;
;;########################################################################

(setq-default line-number-mode t)

(if (not (running-emacs-version-or-newer 19 14))
    (progn
      (defvar my-modeline-format
	'("%1*%1* " modeline-buffer-identification " -- " 
global-mode-string " -- "
	  "%[(" mode-name minor-mode-alist ")%]" " -- " 
	  (line-number-mode "P %l:%c") " -- " (-3 . "%p") " %-" )
	"modeline-format for displaying line & pos")
      (setq-default modeline-format my-modeline-format))

  ;; XEmacs-19.14 way for doing modeline-things
  (setq-default modeline-modified (purecopy '("%1*%1* ")))

  (setq-default modeline-buffer-identification
		(list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent (purecopy 
"19.14:"))
		      (cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " 
%17b"))))

  (setq-default modeline-format
		(list (purecopy "")
		      (cons modeline-modified-extent
			    'modeline-modified)
		      (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    'modeline-buffer-identification)
		      (purecopy " -- ")
		      (purecopy "%[(")
		      (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			    (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist))
		      'modeline-process
		      (purecopy ")%] -- ")
		      (purecopy '(line-number-mode "P %l:%c"))
		      (purecopy " -- ")
		      (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		      (purecopy " %-"))))

;; remove font-lock & fast-lock from modeline
;; to shorten minor-mode-alist
;; to use this, add
;; (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'clear-minor-mode-alist)
;; before things like fast-font-lock
(defvar mode-pos nil)

(defun clear-minor-mode-alist ()
  "remove font-lock and fast-font-lock from minor-mode-alist"
  (interactive "")
  (setq mode-pos (assq 'fast-lock-mode minor-mode-alist))
  (if (not (equal mode-pos nil))
      (setq-default minor-mode-alist 
		    (delete mode-pos minor-mode-alist)))
  (setq mode-pos (assq 'font-lock-mode minor-mode-alist))
  (if (not (equal mode-pos nil))
      (setq-default minor-mode-alist 
		    (delete mode-pos minor-mode-alist))))

;; remove font-lock & fast-lock from modeline
(if (fboundp 'clear-minor-mode-alist)
    (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'clear-minor-mode-alist))

This shortens the modeline somewhat. Enough for me in most cases. 
(Especially without the minor-mode stuff!)

HTH,
Thomas

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: reload-file Function needed !!!!!!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:40:12 -0700
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Bernd Classen wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
> disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????
> 
> Mni Tnx
> Jens

revert-buffer

revert-buffer: (&optional ignore-auto noconfirm)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
Replace the buffer text with the text of the visited file on disk.
This undoes all changes since the file was visited or saved.
With a prefix argument, offer to revert from latest auto-save file, if
that is more recent than the visited file.
When called from Lisp, the first argument is IGNORE-AUTO; only offer
to revert from the auto-save file when this is nil.  Note that the
sense of this argument is the reverse of the prefix argument, for the
sake of backward compatibility.  IGNORE-AUTO is optional, defaulting
to nil.

Optional second argument NOCONFIRM means don't ask for confirmation at
all.

If the value of `revert-buffer-function' is non-nil, it is called to
do the work.

The default revert function runs the hook `before-revert-hook' at the
beginning and `after-revert-hook' at the end.


Thomas
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Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com> writes:
> What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
> to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

:-) What I'd like to know is how to get them to *stop* popping up.  Is
there an "alright already, I see the appointment buffer" command?

I believe (display-time) is required for appointments to pop up.  Here is a
snippet of my .emacs file:
  
  -------------------- cut here ---------------------------------
  (require 'appt)
  (display-time)
  (appt-initialize)
  (setq appt-message-warning-time 10) ;; in minutes
  (setq appt-display-mode-line nil)
  (setq appt-display-duration 30) ;; in seconds
  (setq appt-announce-method 'appt-persistent-message-announce)
  
  (cond
   ((equal (device-type) 'x)   ;; if running under X
    (setq appt-announce-method 'appt-frame-announce)))
  ---------------------------------------------------------------

Ciao,
Alan

--
Alan Braverman
Digital Media Systems
Silicon Graphics, Inc
alanb@sgi.com

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Subject: [bug XEmacs-19.14] `report-emacs-bug' is a joke
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First, I miss the menu item "Report Emacs Bug" in the help menu.  Emacs
(FSF Emacs, GNU Emacs, ... as you like it) has this item.

Second, was this function ever tested for XEmacs?...I cite from the
package packages/emacsbug.el:

(defvar bug-gnu-emacs "xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu"
  "Address of site maintaining mailing list for GNU Emacs bugs.")

...the NEWS file states:

	XEmacs has a new address!  The canonical ftp site is now
	ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs and the Web page is now at
	http://www.xemacs.org/.  All mailing lists now have @xemacs.org
	addresses.

...the info pages state:

	The newsgroup `comp.emacs.xemacs' may be used for bug reports
	[...] the newsgroup is bidirectionally gatewayed into the
	mailing list `xemacs@xemacs.org'.

=> is the right address this newsgroup?  (`May be used' is `should be
used'?)  I would actually prefer a separate mail address for bug
reports...otherwise many bug reports get lost.  (What's about a special
html page containing "Collected Bug Reports"?  Or some file in
ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/mlists/?) BTW, I also tried the FAQ and the WWW
address.


(defun report-emacs-bug (topic)
  [...]
  (if (and system-configuration-options

Symbol's value as variable is void: system-configuration-options

  [...]
  (use-local-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) (current-local-map)))

Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap 0 entries 0x450e>


...then I stopped using it.  BTW, this package should be based on
package `reporter' (it contains nice user options such as
`reporter-mailer').

My last question: is this newsgroup the right place to report bugs?  I
have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I have seen
in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for XEmacs-19.14...and I
have some more...

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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Subject: Re: vm or ramil with pop servers?
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In article <32495103.1AD36077@ix.netcom.com>,
	Peter Ogilvie <pdo@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> I'm getting my personal mail from a pop server these days.  Is there a
> package out there to get emacs to talk to these guys?

It's certainly possible with VM.  Here's the line from my .emacs:

  ;; Where to get our mail
  (setq vm-spool-files '("server:110:pass:des:*"))

which means "port 110 on machine <server>, using password authorisation
for user <des>". The "*" requires me to type my password in when I start
VM, because I never store unencrpyted passwords.

C-h v on 'vm-spool-files' is very helpful here.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~
                         ***** W A R N I N G *****
 
                         ***** W A R N I N G *****
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~*/

With a kill -FPE, I was able to get this back trace: (control-g will not st=
op it)


Signalling: (quit)
  re-search-forward("^\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\=
|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\([*=
&]+[ =09]*\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+\\)[ =09]*(" 5037 t)
  font-lock-fontify-keywords-region(1 5037 nil)
  font-lock-fontify-region(1 5037)
  byte-code("=8A=C0ed\"=88)=C0=87" [font-lock-fontify-region] 3)
  #<compiled-function (from "font-lock.elc") nil "...(65)" [font-lock-mode =
font-lock-verbose 0 nil aborted font-lock-message-threshold was-on 1 font-l=
ock-unfontify-region t (byte-code "=8A=C0ed\"=88)=C0=87" ... 3) (...) font-=
lock-fontified make-local-variable message "Fontifying %s... aborted." buff=
er-name run-hooks font-lock-after-fontify-buffer-hook] 5 "Fontify the curre=
nt buffer the way `font-lock-mode' would.\nSee `font-lock-mode' for details=
.\n\nThis can take a while for large buffers." nil>()
  call-interactively(font-lock-fontify-buffer)
  command-execute(font-lock-fontify-buffer t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)


This is new to xemac19.14.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

-Bill

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Subject: Core dump in w3

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-bsdi-bsdi2.1) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on hoopoe.psc.edu

(gdb) where
#0  0x263571 in kill ()
#1  0x24b8e in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x57db0 in DGifDecompressLine (GifFile=0x684fc0,
    Line=0x90475b <Address 0x90475b out of bounds>, LineLen=154)
    at dgif_lib.c:704
#4  0xb79aa in our_own_dgif_slurp_from_gif2x11_c (GifFile=0x684fc0)
    at glyphs-x.c:1671
#5  0xb7b10 in gif_instantiate (image_instance=275267584,
    instantiator=1080833216, pointer_fg=271998980, pointer_bg=271998980,
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs-x.c:1750
#6  0x5987f in instantiate_image_instantiator (device=272609536,
    instantiator=1080833216, pointer_fg=271998980, pointer_bg=271998980,
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs.c:507
#7  0x5b081 in image_instantiate (specifier=277176768, matchspec=271635244,
    domain=277367808, instantiator=1080833216, depth=1) at glyphs.c:1639
#8  0x2a2e9 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x5ada8 <image_instantiate>, nargs=5,
    args=0xefbfc408) at eval.c:3492
#9  0x2877d in call_with_suspended_errors (fun=0x5ada8 <image_instantiate>,
    retval=271635244, class=272099620, errb=ERROR_ME, nargs=5) at eval.c:2165
#10 0x980cd in specifier_instance_from_inst_list (specifier=277176768,
    matchspec=271635244, domain=277367808, inst_list=544156916, errb=ERROR_ME,
    no_quit=0, depth=1) at specifier.c:2358
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#11 0x983b3 in specifier_instance (specifier=277176768, matchspec=271635244,
    domain=277367808, errb=ERROR_ME, no_quit=0, no_fallback=0, depth=0)
    at specifier.c:2467
#12 0x984de in Fspecifier_instance (specifier=277176768, domain=271998980,
    defalt=271998980, no_fallback=271998980) at specifier.c:2560
#13 0x2a2d4 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x98484 <Fspecifier_instance>, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfc570) at eval.c:3490
#14 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x30cca8, args=0xefbfc570) at eval.c:3526
#15 0x29c58 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272109108, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfc5cc) at eval.c:3207
#16 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfc5cc) at eval.c:3253
#17 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811111844, vector=1079442080, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#18 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfc6d4) at eval.c:3488
#19 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfc6d4) at eval.c:3526
#20 0x29977 in Feval (form=541623388) at eval.c:3064
#21 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=541623028, bfun=0x293bc <Feval>,
    barg=541623388, hfun=0x27f58 <run_condition_case_handlers>, harg=271998980)
    at eval.c:1672
#22 0x2807e in Fcondition_case_3 (bodyform=541623388, var=271998980,
    handlers=541623028) at eval.c:1738
#23 0xd3ad in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811112132, vector=1079465728, maxdepth=12)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at bytecode.c:655
#24 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310776, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfc94c)
    at eval.c:3638
#25 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312468, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfc948) at eval.c:3228
#26 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfc948) at eval.c:3253
#27 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098812, vector=1079432128, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#28 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310636, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfcb18)
    at eval.c:3638
#29 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312420, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3228
#30 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3253
#31 0x2a0fd in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3410
#32 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcb10) at eval.c:3191
#33 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcb10) at eval.c:3253
#34 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#35 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfcc38)
    at eval.c:3638
#36 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcc34) at eval.c:3228
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#37 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcc34) at eval.c:3253
#38 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098560, vector=1079432064, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#39 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310664, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfce00)
    at eval.c:3638
#40 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312396, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3228
#41 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3253
#42 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3415
#43 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3191
#44 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3253
#45 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#46 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=3, arg_vector=0xefbfcf20)
    at eval.c:3638
#47 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3228
#48 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3253
#49 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854576, vector=1079632032, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#50 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100424, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd050)
    at eval.c:3638
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#51 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263436, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3228
#52 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3253
#53 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811329888, vector=1079625728, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#54 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274456916, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd224)
    at eval.c:3638
#55 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274411156, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3228
#56 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3253
#57 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3415
#58 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3191
#59 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3253
#60 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576764, vector=1079826432, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#61 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3488
#62 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3526
#63 0x29977 in Feval (form=541922492) at eval.c:3064
#64 0x26fb9 in Fprogn (args=541922324) at eval.c:746
#65 0xd340 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576680, vector=1079558848, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:633 
#38 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098560, vector=1079432064, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#39 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310664, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfce00)
    at eval.c:3638
#40 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312396, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3228
#41 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3253
#42 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3415
#43 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3191
#44 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3253
#45 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#46 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=3, arg_vector=0xefbfcf20)
    at eval.c:3638
#47 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3228
#48 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3253
#49 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854576, vector=1079632032, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#50 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100424, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd050)
    at eval.c:3638
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#51 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263436, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3228
#52 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3253
#53 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811329888, vector=1079625728, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#54 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274456916, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd224)
    at eval.c:3638
#55 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274411156, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3228
#56 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3253
#57 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3415
#58 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3191
#59 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3253
#60 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576764, vector=1079826432, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#61 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3488
#62 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3526
#63 0x29977 in Feval (form=541922492) at eval.c:3064
#64 0x26fb9 in Fprogn (args=541922324) at eval.c:746
#65 0xd340 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576680, vector=1079558848, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:633
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#66 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274673188, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd50c)
    at eval.c:3638
#67 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274451612, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd508) at eval.c:3228
#68 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd508) at eval.c:3253
#69 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576932, vector=1079995264, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#70 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274673216, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd634)
    at eval.c:3638
#71 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274714700, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd630) at eval.c:3228
#72 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd630) at eval.c:3253
#73 0x2acd8 in call2 (fn=274714700, arg0=275255424, arg1=814272256)
    at eval.c:4010
#74 0x2b8e4 in catch_them_squirmers_call2 (cons=544002596) at eval.c:4542
#75 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x2b8bc <catch_them_squirmers_call2>, barg=544002596,
    hfun=0x2b2d4 <caught_a_squirmer>, harg=273170624) at eval.c:1672
#76 0x2bb77 in call2_trapping_errors (
    warning_string=0x7853e "Error in process sentinel", function=274714700,
    object1=275255424, object2=814272256) at eval.c:4608
#77 0x785b3 in exec_sentinel (proc=275255424, reason=814272256)
    at process.c:2056
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#78 0x78c8f in status_notify () at process.c:2480
#79 0x330ff in execute_internal_event (event=272931632) at event-stream.c:2809
#80 0x34330 in Fdispatch_event (event=272931632) at event-stream.c:3820
#81 0x12cb8 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:542
#82 0x12b1f in command_loop_1 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:462
#83 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x12b04 <command_loop_1>, barg=271998980, hfun=0x125e8 <cmd_error>,
    harg=271998980) at eval.c:1672
#84 0x126e0 in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:224
#85 0x126fc in command_loop_2 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:235
#86 0x27c1d in internal_catch (tag=272076196, func=0x126f4 <command_loop_2>,
    arg=271998980, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#87 0x1286d in initial_command_loop (load_me=271998980) at cmdloop.c:273
#88 0x2560f in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0)
    at emacs.c:1317
#89 0x25964 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0) at emacs.c:1461
#81 0x12cb8 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:542
#82 0x12b1f in command_loop_1 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:462
#83 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x12b04 <command_loop_1>, barg=271998980, hfun=0x125e8 <cmd_error>,
    harg=271998980) at eval.c:1672
#84 0x126e0 in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:224
#85 0x126fc in command_loop_2 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:235
#86 0x27c1d in internal_catch (tag=272076196, func=0x126f4 <command_loop_2>,
    arg=271998980, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#87 0x1286d in initial_command_loop (load_me=271998980) at cmdloop.c:273
#88 0x2560f in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0)
    at emacs.c:1317
#89 0x25964 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0) at emacs.c:1461
(


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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Request for Help on gnuserve-start
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:24:54 -0700
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Steve Waldstein wrote:
>  What am I doing wrong. Does gnuserve-start work?

Hi Steve,

its gnuserv-start in XEmacs 19.14. This is what I have in my .emacs:

;;;; start the gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
;;; Files from edit server will be opened in the selected frame.
;;; If this frame is deleted we will select another frame to use.

;; Selects another frame for the edit server to use if the frame
actually
;; used is deleted.
(add-hook 'delete-frame-hook
          '(lambda (frame) (if (eq frame gnuserv-frame)
                          (setq gnuserv-frame (next-frame frame nil)))))

;; Makes the selected frame respond to edit server requests.
(add-hook 'select-frame-hook
          '(lambda () (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))))

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
;;; start edit server
(gnuserv-start)

HTH,
Thomas

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From: Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Print buffer to PS file instead of to printer
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Hi,

Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to postscript
file instead of to printer? Thanks!


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From: Radomir Mech <mech@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>
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Subject: Buffers menu in 19.14
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:18:56 -0600
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Hi!

I would like to know how I can make the Buffers menu work as in 19.13. 
I must admit that I find the new menu sorting files by name and grouping
them by extension annoying.

Can you reply also by e-mail, please?

Thanks,
Radek

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From: "Antonio M. Corbi Bellot" <acorbi@altea.dlsi.ua.es>
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Hi:

1) Recently I compiled xemacs 19.14 on my linux box (2.0.x) with gcc
2.7.2 without any problem. The resulting xemacs in the 'src' of the
distribution worked fine under X and under a tty, specially de 'info'
command. Then I did a 'make install', it installed OK, and keeps working
OK, except for the 'info' command. When I try to execute it within a
'installed xemacs' session (tty or X) I get the message:

  "Symbol's value as variable is void: installation-directory"


Does any one know why this happens and whats the sollution?
One more thing, during a bit of time I had co-existing the two
'variants' of xemacs 19.14 (the installed one and the one in the
subdirectory 'src' of the distribution), as you expect, in the installed
didn't work the info command, but in the other it worked allright.

2) Does any one know why in xemacs (under X) I obtain messages like
'dead_grave not defined', 'dead_acute not defined', etc.. (under a tty
it works well). More general, does any one know how can I display 8 bit
characters with xemacs under X?.


Thanks.
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From: binge@aloft.att.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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I typically have multiple XEmacs sessions. Is there a way to limit
gnuserv so that it only starts on one?

Thanx,

Curtis

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>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:
 [Reorganized when cited]
CW> First, I miss the menu item "Report Emacs Bug" in the help menu.
CW> Emacs (FSF Emacs, GNU Emacs, ... as you like it) has this item.

There is a very good reason why Report XEmacs Bug is not currently in
the help menu :-(.

CW> Second, was this function ever tested for XEmacs?...I cite from
CW> the package packages/emacsbug.el:

Whatever.  This package has been fixed for XEmacs 19.15.

CW> BTW, this package should be based on package `reporter' (it
CW> contains nice user options such as `reporter-mailer').

For compatibility we are still using a version close to the one in GNU
Emacs.

CW> 	The newsgroup `comp.emacs.xemacs' may be used for bug reports
CW> 	[...] the newsgroup is bidirectionally gatewayed into the
CW> 	mailing list `xemacs@xemacs.org'.

CW> => is the right address this newsgroup?

The current correct address for the gatewayed mailing list is
`xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu'.

CW> I would actually prefer a separate mail address for bug
CW> reports...otherwise many bug reports get lost.

I don't think so.  Chuck Thompson (the primary XEmacs developer)
archives this newsgroup and maintains an extensive bug/change request
database based on messages posted here.

CW> I have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I
CW> have seen in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for
CW> XEmacs-19.14...and I have some more...

By all means, please post them.
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>>>>> "Xianfeng" == Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Xianfeng> Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to
Xianfeng> postscript file instead of to printer? Thanks!

Try `M-x ps-spool-buffer-with-faces'.

C-h f ps-spool-buffer-with-faces

ps-spool-buffer-with-faces: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "ps-print".
Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
Like `ps-spool-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values.

Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer.

C-h f ps-spool-buffer
ps-spool-buffer: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "ps-print".
Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
Like `ps-print-buffer' except that the PostScript image is saved in a
local buffer to be sent to the printer later.

Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer.

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Under Linux (kernel 2.0.0): run (warn "oink") (via Meta-ESC); go into
the *Warnings* buffer and kill it with "kill-buffer" (via ^X^K).  Then
run (warn "oink") again and what XEmacs (19.13) crash with a
Segmentation Fault.  Here's the top a traceback:

#0  0x8070ff3 in build_string ()
#1  0x8082d23 in caught_a_squirmer ()
#2  0x808192a in call0_trapping_errors ()
#3  0x8017e16 in redisplay ()
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#5  0x804d228 in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#6  0x804d0c2 in command_loop_1 ()
...

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	Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
apparently it does not...

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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	It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: gnuclient 19.14 doesn't pop XEmacs to the front (again: got no reply)
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	I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs 19.13,
gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary and pop it to the front
of the workspace (presumably with make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this
behavior, but it seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

	Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?  Is
mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to get the old behavior?

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> 	It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for
Dan> emacs, but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

No one in their right mind actually programs in csh (see the Csh
Programming Considered Harmful FAQ by Tom Christiansen):

	http://gonzo.tamu.edu/csh.whynot.html

However, take a look at sh-script.el in the latest GNU Emacs releases.
It looks like there are various csh modes in it.

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Coincidence?  I think not.

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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
> apparently it does not...
> 
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It comes standard, at least in 19.14. 
It's in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/func-menu.el

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From: Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com>
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Subject: Re: gnuclient 19.14 doesn't pop XEmacs to the front (again: got no reply)
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

    Dan> I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs
    Dan> 19.13, gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary
    Dan> and pop it to the front of the workspace (presumably with
    Dan> make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this behavior, but it
    Dan> seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

    Dan> Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?
    Dan> Is mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to
    Dan> get the old behavior?

I have noticed a similar problem with VM.  Typically my mail will be
in one frame and work in another.  When I read new mail by clicking on
the toolbar, the VM frame is not raised to the front as it was in
XEmacs 19.13.  Interestingly Gnus does not have this problem, so you
might like to look in its code to see how gnusdoit ;-)
-- 
Pete Forman
Western Geophysical
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Hi.  I have a little problem which hopefully some Elisp guru can help
me with:

I use VM w/XEmacs-19.14 as my mail reader, and Netscape as my web
browser.  I work on a twin-headed X server (i.e. displays are :0.0 and
:0.1).  I want to be able to run a "netscape -remote" command to the
Netscape (which runs on display :0.1) when I click on a URL in VM (which
runs on display :0.0).

Setting vm-netscape-program to "netscape -display :0.1" doesn't do the
trick, since XEmacs tries to run that program, rather than passing
"-display :0.1" as arguments to "netscape".

So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Thanks in advance,

-- 
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This was posted some time ago.  It works for me, YMMV.

Vin Shelton

--- Begin Included Message ---

After installing XEmacs 19.14, I found that the good old server.el
package is becoming obsolete, so I switched to gnuserv.el. However,
I didn't like the way gnuserv opens a new frame for every file being
read in, so I added the following line to my site-start.el file:

  (setq gnuserv-frame (window-frame))

This causes the same frame to be taken for every usage of gnuclient.
However, I found that when XEmacs was iconified, it did not de-iconify
when using gnuclient !!!!!!!!

I traced this bug to function server-make-window-visible in package
gnuserv.el: this function uses variables window-system and
window-system-version in the following way:

  (and (boundp 'window-system)
       (boundp 'window-system-version)
       (eq window-system 'x)
       (eq window-system-version 11)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

Since variable window-system-version does not exist anymore, the
function body is never executed !!!!! I replaced the above code
into:

  (and (eq (console-type) 'x)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

which makes XEmacs de-iconify again when using gnuclient.

Furthermore, I get a huge list of obsolete variables and functions
when compiling gnuserv.el: this should really be fixed.

--
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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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Subject: Re: printing under xemacs (19.14) [REPOST]
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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> I used Steve's last idea and here is what my code looks like in .emacs.
> 
> ;;Note this will pass a buffer through a the a2ps filter.
> ;;a2ps takes a text file and wraps it with page numbers 
> ;;file names and dates.  The version of a2ps that I use is 4.25a
> ;;Note I compiled a2ps to auto send to a printer defined
> ;;by the env vars LPDEST and PRINTER.  
> ;;(Solaris apps are brain dead some us PRINTER some use LPDEST)
> (setq lpr-command "/u/daku/bin/a2ps")
> (make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
> (put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
> (add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))
> 
> ===========
> A note with this solution you can not use buffer-name.  It will confict with
> too much of XEmacs.

I appear to be getting some slightly different results here.  I find
that the buffer-file-name variable is the full path, which is too much
for me.  In the code provide by Steve Baur, it appears that there was
an error in the use of 'buffer-name--it should be something like this:
(concat "-H" (buffer-name)).

I also find the function below constantly adds the buffer name to the
lpr-switches.  I don't seem to be getting a true buffer-local
variable. 

> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

Can someone describe why lpr-switches aren't made to be buffer-local?

Thanx,

Curtis

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Hey all!

I'm hoping for some insight into a problem I'm having compiling xemacs
on mklinux.  I know most of you don't know mklinux, but your knowledge
of xemacs is well established.

When building emacs/xemacs on mklinux everything goes great until temacs
starts to run.  temacs allocates all of the memory and core dumps.

>From what I've been told, there is some upper bit twiddling that is done
by xemacs that has to do with this.

on the mklinux side I've heard that there's a #define that's incorrect
for the mklinux platform, that has to do with this upper bit twiddling. 
While I don't expect you guys to tell me how to fix it, I was hoping you
could tell me what to fix.  Or at least where to look for this suspect
#define.

As always feel free to point out that I'm completely off base too. 
That's always a possiblity :D

I appreciate any help you might supply.
Email responses welcome!
MDJ


-- 
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Hmmm.  I thought I had it, but I can't quite get this to work. I need
to set the base lpr-switches to be '("-Gr2"), but don't seem to be
able to do so.  I've tried setq-default, but to no avail. 

I also get dual entries for each filename, as though the
change-major-mode-hook is getting executed twice.

  lpr-switches's value is ("-i.kshrc" "-i.kshrc" . "")

Could func-menu or font-lock be the root of this?  

Now that I look further, it appears that once set, the value of
lpr-switches merely has the new buffer names prepended to it.  It
doesn't look like I have a truly buffer-local variable.

When I explicitly change the mode (ie. M-x c++-mode), it prepends the
buffer-name yet again. Ugh. I'm confused.

Here is my setup:

(setq lpr-command "nenscript")
(setq lpr-switches '("-Gr2"))
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(defun my-set-lpr-switches()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons 
			(concat "-i" (buffer-name))
			lpr-switches ))))

Any ideas?

Thanx,

Curtis
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Hello,
I just upgraded w3 beta from 3.0.12 to 3.0.22 and I no longer get any
images displayed. Only test is displayed, and images do not download
at all. The tag [IMAGE] is displayed in the image location.
If there is reference to this in the doc's, I could not find it.
I have tried selecting Autoload Inline images off and on, with no
improvement.

Thanks
David Ritter
dritter@mich.com


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|Wed 25.9.96, jthompso@netcom.com (Jim Thompson) comp.emacs
| 
| Does anybody know of a package for Emacs or XEmacs that will autohide
| (bury or delete) idle buffers, perhaps as an extention of the autosave
| feature?  The idea would be to use the feature in conjunction with
| crypt to ensure that encrypted buffers don't hang around in an Emacs
| session longer than they're needed, for example if the user gets
| called away and doesn't have a chance to delete the buffers.

Hmmm, What if you used one of packages which loacks emacs completely?
You could make it autolock emacs after certaind period of idle time.

Then nobody would have access to your emacs but you after you get back
and unlock the emacs.

In gact I think I'm goig to add that auto-lock feature immediately,
mail me back withing 6 hours and I can give you next version
that has this feature ( tinylock.el woks in both the XE and Emacs)

Cheers!
/jari
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Purtill <purtill@auto149.tamuk.edu> writes:

Mark> Under Linux (kernel 2.0.0): run (warn "oink") (via Meta-ESC); go into
Mark> the *Warnings* buffer and kill it with "kill-buffer" (via ^X^K).  Then
Mark> run (warn "oink") again and what XEmacs (19.13) crash with a
Mark> Segmentation Fault.

(M-: and C-x k).

The problem you describe has been fixed in 19.14.
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>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com> writes:
>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs
Dan> 19.13, gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary
Dan> and pop it to the front of the workspace (presumably with
Dan> make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this behavior, but it
Dan> seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

Dan> Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?
Dan> Is mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to
Dan> get the old behavior?

Pete> I have noticed a similar problem with VM.  Typically my mail
Pete> will be in one frame and work in another.  When I read new mail
Pete> by clicking on the toolbar, the VM frame is not raised to the
Pete> front as it was in XEmacs 19.13.  Interestingly Gnus does not
Pete> have this problem, so you might like to look in its code to see
Pete> how gnusdoit ;-)

There are known problems with how 19.14 handles various kinds of
frames/X11 Window Manager-related interactions.  These are being
addressed by the XEmacs developers.

If Gnus works `correctly' (I think it does) it is because it is not
trying to do anything tricky.  I think there's an important lesson
there.
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>>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio M Corbi Bellot <acorbi@dlsi.ua.es> writes:

Antonio> Hi:

Antonio> 1) Recently I compiled xemacs 19.14 on my linux box (2.0.x)
Antonio> with gcc 2.7.2 without any problem. The resulting xemacs in
Antonio> the 'src' of the distribution worked fine under X and under a
Antonio> tty, specially de 'info' command. Then I did a 'make
Antonio> install', it installed OK, and keeps working OK, except for
Antonio> the 'info' command. When I try to execute it within a
Antonio> 'installed xemacs' session (tty or X) I get the message:

Antonio> "Symbol's value as variable is void: installation-directory"

Antonio> Does any one know why this happens and whats the sollution?

This is a most serious error message, and indicates that you didn't
get XEmacs installed correctly.

Antonio> One more thing, during a bit of time I had co-existing the
Antonio> two 'variants' of xemacs 19.14 (the installed one and the one
Antonio> in the subdirectory 'src' of the distribution), as you
Antonio> expect, in the installed didn't work the info command, but in
Antonio> the other it worked allright.

installation-directory is used by GNU Emacs info.el and not XEmacs
info.el (installation-directory is not used by XEmacs).  Check for bad

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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
> apparently it does not...

Should be in lisp/packages

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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs 19.13,
> gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary and pop it to the front
> of the workspace (presumably with make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this
> behavior, but it seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.
> 
>         Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?  Is
> mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to get the old behavior?

Hm, works for me in 19.14?!

DEC ALPHA OSF1/3.2, precompilied binaries

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Changing names of buffers in menu?
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Hans-Erik Floryd wrote:
> The question is, is it possible to change the names that appear in the
> buffer menu to reflect what is actually in the files (I can easily
> write a regexp to get a better description for the file), rather than
> just the filename?

You can play around with

format-buffers-menu-line

See docs for details. I changed it to show the path as well, but only if
different from the home-directory:

(defvar my-home-directory nil)

(defun my-set-home-directory ()
  (setq-default my-home-directory (expand-file-name "~")))
(my-set-home-directory)

(defun my-format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
  (if (string-match "\\` " (buffer-name buffer))
      nil
    (let ((buf-readonly 
	   (if (symbol-value-in-buffer 'buffer-read-only buffer) "%" " "))
	  (buf-modified 
	   (if (buffer-modified-p buffer) "*" " "))
	  (buf-name (or (buffer-file-name buffer)
			(buffer-name buffer))))
      (progn
	(setq buf-name 
	      (replace-in-string buf-name my-home-directory "~" t))
	(format "%s %s %s"
		buf-readonly
		buf-modified
		buf-name)))))

(defun format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
        (my-format-buffers-menu-line buffer))

HTH,
Thomas

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Subject: Xemacs-19.14: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm"...
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After compiling Xemacs-19.14 on HPUX A.09.03 A 9000/712 and trying to do a
testrun I get:

  Error: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm" to parent "xemacs" which 
  supports only widgets

before Xemacs halts. Anyone seen this???

./configure --cflags=-O3 --dynamic=yes --with-xpm=yes --with-xface=yes
--with-jpeg=yes --with-png=yes

Thanks,

Michael

P.S.: pls. "cc:" to my address



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Hi,

I set the "user-full-name" variable in my .emacs file but,
when I send mail to people, from my Linux 2.0.x box, using
VM under XEMACS-19.14, they still see me as "root".  Am
I forgetting to set some other variable that would let this take
effect?  I'm puzzled because the "user-mail-address" variable seems
to work fine and people who receive mail from me see the return address
as the one that I set this variable to.

Any clues?

Thanks in advance,

Bidemi Temidire

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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Re: printing under xemacs (19.14) [REPOST]
Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:41:43 -0400
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binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham) writes:

> Hmmm.  I thought I had it, but I can't quite get this to work. I need
> to set the base lpr-switches to be '("-Gr2"), but don't seem to be
> able to do so.  I've tried setq-default, but to no avail. 
> 
> I also get dual entries for each filename, as though the
> change-major-mode-hook is getting executed twice.
> 
>   lpr-switches's value is ("-i.kshrc" "-i.kshrc" . "")
> 
> Could func-menu or font-lock be the root of this?  
> 
> Now that I look further, it appears that once set, the value of
> lpr-switches merely has the new buffer names prepended to it.  It
> doesn't look like I have a truly buffer-local variable.
> 
> When I explicitly change the mode (ie. M-x c++-mode), it prepends the
> buffer-name yet again. Ugh. I'm confused.
> 

Well we might just have to wait till the next version of XEmacs comes out
as some work is being done to make printing much more robust. Also the
ability to pass a function for evaluation might be added. This would
solve our problems.  As I understand it the postcript and the lpr printing
is being attacked.   Both are being synced to FSF emacs (I know wrong name)
and possibly being extended.

I'm looking forward to the next release.  So far each successive release
has been much more robust and much more capable.

My rating (19.10 a dog)
          (19.11 usable I used it quite a bit really.)
          (19.12 no go it had way to many problems.)
          (19.13 Big step forward.  I liked this one a lot.)
          (19.14 Superb I love it.  A few bugs but hey what doesn't have bugs.)
          (19.15 If or when it comes out I think this one will be a star.)

          (20.00 first release could be scary)

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs, but not
> a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

In GNU Emacs, there is shell-script.el which (I think) is the standard mode
for editing all shell scripts (it should figure it out by the "#!..." line at
the beginning of your script).

In XEmacs <=19.14, there is no csh-mode.el delivered with it.  You could find
a couple of csh modes on the Ohio State Elisp Archives (last time I looked)
that basically work with XEmacs (not font-locking).

I understand that shell-script.el will be incorporated into XEmacs 19.15.  You
could also pick up shell-script.el from GNU Emacs and just use it now (I think
it only needs a really minor change to work with XEmacs).

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Hi All-

I have a rather unusual task that I'd like to perform on a very large VM
message folder (it has 265 messages in it now).  I'd like to save each
message to a separate file, so that I end up with a directory containing
265 files in it, each with a different filename which somehow relates to
the content of the corresponding message (ie subj, date, and time
maybe).  This would take me forever to do by hand, and I'm thinking that
it involves enough repetition that it could be programmed or done with a
set of commands with a universal argument of 265 or something similar to
this.  I looked around in the VM info file, checked Hyper Apropos, but
couldn't find anything that looked likely enough.  I thought about a
repeat-complex-command with a vm-save-message-sans-headers, but the
problem remains of how to tell xemacs/vm to use a different filename for
each message that it saves, and still worse, how to relate the filename
to the message contents.

Anyone have suggestions on how I might accomplish this operation?

Thanks very much!


-- 

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Hi.

Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

TIOCGWINSZ failed
: Not a typewriter

at the top?  If the man pages happens to be an X-related one, i.e. the
file name is something like foo.1x, then I get the 'TIOCGWINSZ failed'
message in the minibuffer, and the page refuses to be displayed.

I'm using XEmacs 19.14 with Linux 2.0.12 (Red Hat distribution).

It's kind of annoying having to read man pages in an xterm, where I
can't search, etc.  Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
Dave
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> [Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

>> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>> '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
>> ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
>> ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
>> ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
>> ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
>> ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
>> ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))

> This syntax is wrong.  Try this instead:

> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>       '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
> 	("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
> 	("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
> 	("\\.delos\\'" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")
> 	("[Mm]akefile\\'" . "i.make")))

> In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
> string at the end of a string).

Does this also apply to auto-mode-alist?  When did this syntax become a
requirement?  The '$' should be parsed as end-of-string and, up until
recently, was used extensively in auto-mode-alist.  There are still packages
that use the '$' syntax (Hyperbole's Koutline to name one).

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binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham) writes:

> Here is my setup:
> 
> (setq lpr-command "nenscript")
> (setq lpr-switches '("-Gr2"))
> (make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
> (put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
> (add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
>     (setq lpr-switches (cons 
> 			(concat "-i" (buffer-name))
> 			lpr-switches ))))

I find that this solution works just fine on the precompiled binaries
for SGI 5.3, but not in those for the SunOS.

What gives?

Curtis
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Hi,

I've compiled (a couple months ago) xemacs 19.14 and now have a cursor (on
tty windows) which bounces back and forth from one character to the next --
i.e, it highlights the current character, then the next character, then the
current character again.  This isn't the desired response, is it?  Is it an
option that I can override?  By the way, I compiled Xemacs under HPUX 9.05.

-- 
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From: Patrick Salsbury <patrick@ambient.clari.net>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: What's with this? <i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:40:35 -0700
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	Ok, I just got Xemacs about 2 weeks ago, after using emacs for
years. It's incredibly cool, but when I try to post, it gives me lip-service
like in the subject line, and makes me jump through hoops to send out a
posting. 
	I've looked through the info files, searched for "shoot" and
"configure" and such, to no avail.

	I've set up my gnus variables like so:

(setq gnus-local-domain "clari.net")
(setq gnus-use-generic-from "clari.net")

	Which works fine in emacs...

	So what's misconfigured? And how do I fix it?

Pat
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: modeline information
Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:53:26 -0700
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> I had the same problem, when switching to XEmacs 19.14. Here is what I 
Thomas> came up with:

Thomas>   ;; XEmacs-19.14 way for doing modeline-things
Thomas>   (setq-default modeline-modified (purecopy '("%1*%1* ")))

The (purecopy) calls are no-op's in a dumped XEmacs and should only be
used by the XEmacs maintainers. Use

(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1* "))

You can conveniently modify the modeline in place by using some of the
functions in the CL package, e.g.:

(nsubst "%P" '(-3 . "%p") 
  (default-value 'modeline-format) :test 'equal)

changes the default modeline percentage indicator.

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: modeline information
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For those keen on squeezing their modeline down to illegibillity, here
are some more ideas:

Use a variable-width font!  The modeline is one place it's a real win.

Here is some sample elisp to replace long modeline strings with
shorter equivalents:

;;; Modeline hacks
(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1+"))
(nsublis '(("   "     . " ") 
	   ("   %[("  . " %[(")
	   (")%]----" . ")%]-"))
	 (default-value 'modeline-format) :test 'equal)


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From: Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net>
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Subject: Re: What's with this? <i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
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Testing with variable:

(setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")

	Still seems to be complaining....

-- 
Pat
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In article <m2d8z8es9j.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
> Xianfeng> Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to
> Xianfeng> postscript file instead of to printer? Thanks!
> 
> Try `M-x ps-spool-buffer-with-faces'.

That's half the answer...  To have output go to a postscript file
instead of directly to the printer, prefix the above command with C-u
and you will be prompted for the filename.

--Rob

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From: Sumit Das <sumit@kural.uncg.edu>
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Subject: CDE/XEMACS/Netscape
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Hi netters

I am running CDE 1.0.2 on a SUN workstation running Solaris
2.5. I am running XEMACS 19.14 and have set my .emacs file such
that when I click on a URL from either GNUS or mail reader it
opens the URL in the Netscape process that is already running on
my m/c.

I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

This is true with other applications too. SO I think I am
missing out something in CDE and hence I am posting this to both
the CDE and XEMACS newsgroups.

Thanks

Sumit


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Subject: Re: What's with this? <i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
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To answer the question in the subject:
Undesirable interaction between two sets of poorly chosen defaults. :-(

>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@ambient.clari.net> writes:

Patrick> Ok, I just got Xemacs about 2 weeks ago, after using emacs
Patrick> for years. It's incredibly cool, but when I try to post, it
Patrick> gives me lip-service like in the subject line, and makes me
Patrick> jump through hoops to send out a posting.

Patrick> I've looked through the info files, searched for "shoot" and
Patrick> "configure" and such, to no avail.

Try:
(setq user-mail-address "patrick@ambient.clari.net")
or
(setq mail-host-address "ambient.clari.net")

This information is in both the Gnus FAQ and XEmacs FAQ, which you
might want to check out for further tips:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Re: Font change, then saving options, doesn't work
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>>>>> "Eelco" == Eelco Essenberg <eelco@mw-testnl1.pureatria.com> writes:

Eelco> I had the same problem with XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4 (also built with 
Eelco> gcc 2.7.2).  For me moving the "(load-options-file ...)" to the top of my 
Eelco> ".emacs" (rather than the end) solved the problem...

There's a good chance this is because there is an error in your .emacs
file.  After xemacs comes up, try 
C-h l
and see if there any error messages that may have aborted the loading
of the .emacs file.



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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: VM & vm-netscape-program: how to give it arguments?
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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> Hi.  I have a little problem which hopefully some Elisp guru can
Des> help me with:

 ...

Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

(setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
(setq browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

Please note:  browse-url-netscape-arguments is customized exactly like
lpr-switches, if you were following that discussion.
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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> 
> 
> >>>>> "KS" == Kent Sandvik <sandvik@engr.sgi.com> writes:
> 
>     KS> How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the
>     KS> relationship between cc-mode, c/c++ settings and
>     KS> java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default settings
>     KS> somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
>     KS> changes?
> 
> There is a separate "java" style that is applied automatically when
> you enter java-mode.  The best thing to do is to probably just
> override the couple of default settings of that style in your
> java-mode-hook, by using c-set-offset.
> 
> -Barry

I'm using cc-mode version 4.282 and my java-mode-hook is set as follows:
(add-hook 'java-mode-hook '(lambda ()
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For some reason, right after loading a .java file, c-basic-offset = 2,
c-echo-syntactic-information-p = nil and inclass = 0. If I then run
java-mode-hook again, then the values are as desired. It seems that something
in cc-mode.el reset those values after java-mode-hook is run. Any idea?

TJ

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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>>>>> "David" == David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

David> Hi.
David> Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
David> 'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

David> TIOCGWINSZ failed
David> : Not a typewriter

You probably have a call to `tset' or `stty' or some other tty-mangler
in your dot files.  Maybe you get the same message if you do
rsh `uname -n` echo hi

Anyways, the answer is likely in your dot files.

Another question is why XEmacs isn't using a pty to run commands.  No
answers from me...

Martin

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[There appears to be a bug somewhere, so I am revisiting portions of
this thread.  As another aside, autoinsert has been fixed for 19.15 so
it can be loaded with `(require 'autoinsert)'].

>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan Padamati <spadamat@fore.com> writes:

Sobhan> ;; C and other programming languages Configuration
Sobhan> (setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
Sobhan> (setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
Sobhan>                           ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
Sobhan> (load "autoinsert")
Sobhan> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Sobhan> Put this in .emacs and it should work.

This should not make any difference.  These variables are defined in
autoinsert.el with defvar:
> (defvar auto-insert-alist
> (defvar auto-insert-directory

defvar: a built-in function.
(defvar SYMBOL INITVALUE DOCSTRING): define SYMBOL as a variable.
You are not required to define a variable in order to use it,
 but the definition can supply documentation and an initial value
 in a way that tags can recognize.

INITVALUE is evaluated, and used to set SYMBOL, only if SYMBOL's value is
^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^  ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^  ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^
 void. (However, when you evaluate a defvar interactively, it acts like a
 ^^^^
 defconst: SYMBOL's value is always set regardless of whether it's currently
 void.)
If SYMBOL is buffer-local, its default value is what is set;
 buffer-local values are not affected.
INITVALUE and DOCSTRING are optional.
If DOCSTRING starts with *, this variable is identified as a user option.
 This means that M-x set-variable and M-x edit-options recognize it.
If INITVALUE is missing, SYMBOL's value is not set.

In lisp-interaction-mode defvar is treated as defconst.

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[Emailed and posted]

>>>>> "Goran" == Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:

Goran> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within
Goran> xemacs-19.13 it works fine.

Goran> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.

Goran> (load-library "autoinsert")
Goran> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
Goran> (setq auto-insert-alist 
Goran>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
Goran>         ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
Goran> 	       ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
Goran> 	       ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
Goran> 	       ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
Goran> 	       ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
Goran> 	       ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

Did changing the $ to \\' work for you?  Also, what platform and OS
are you running with, and what compiler and compiler options did you
use to build XEmacs?

BTW the [Mm]akefile line is imprecise.  You should also include a
termination test with \\' or $ there as well, otherwise you will get
a false match from a filename like `/usr/src/MakefileMaker-2.3/main.c'.
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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> Similar problem here.

It cannot be the same problem, I believe.

Srinivas> Adding Sobhan Padamati's solution to
Srinivas> ~/.emacs doesn't seem to work too.

It doesn't do anything, as I explained in another post.

Srinivas> I currently have:
Srinivas> (setq auto-insert-directory 
Srinivas>   ...)
Srinivas> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Srinivas> Do I need to have template files with specific names in
Srinivas> auto-insert-directory ?  If so, what should they be named.

By default autoinsert does not necessarily use template files (only
for TeX files (default == "tex-insert.tex", Makefiles (default ==
"makefile.inc"), and Ada source (whatever ada-header is defined to be).

Srinivas> I have not modified auto-insert-alist from the default value.

What doesn't work about autoinsert then?
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[Thanks, David for your comments].

>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
sb> [Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

sb> In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
sb> string at the end of a string).

David> Does this also apply to auto-mode-alist?

Yes.

David> When did this syntax become a requirement?

(Since 1990?)

The tests I performed showed that both $ and \\' can work in XEmacs
19.14 (and 19.15) and GNU Emacs 19.34.  Use of the $ will definitely
produce wrong results with strange, but legal filenames like
`/usr/src/MakefileLFstuffs/fred.c'.  (Substitute the linefeed
character for `LF').  This is a legal Unix filename, but

(setq file-name "/usr/src/Makefile\nstuffs/fred.c")
(string-match "[Mm]akefile$" file-name)
produces a false positive match, while
(string-match "[Mm]akefile\\'" file-name)
does not.

David> The '$' should be parsed as end-of-string

This is not quite correct.  It is parsed as end-of-string, *or* up to
a newline (see the lispref).

David> and, up until recently, was used extensively in
David> auto-mode-alist.  There are still packages that use the '$'
David> syntax (Hyperbole's Koutline to name one).

They will be fixed for 19.15.
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

Mark> I'm looking forward to the next release.  So far each successive
Mark> release has been much more robust and much more capable.
 ...
Mark>           (20.00 first release could be scary)

Without MULE (MULti-langual extensions to Emacs) it will look and act
the same as XEmacs v19.  With MULE support compiled in, it will look
something like:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/mule1.gif
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/mule2.gif
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/mule3.gif
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

Curtis> I appear to be getting some slightly different results here.
Curtis> I find that the buffer-file-name variable is the full path,
Curtis> which is too much for me.

Then use instead
(file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name)

Curtis> In the code provide by Steve Baur, it appears that there was
Curtis> an error in the use of 'buffer-name--it should be something
Curtis> like this: (concat "-H" (buffer-name)).

If true, I apologize for the typo, but I can't find the reference
you're referring to in any of my archived sent messages.

Curtis> I also find the function below constantly adds the buffer name
Curtis> to the lpr-switches.  I don't seem to be getting a true
Curtis> buffer-local variable.

>> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>> "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>> (when buffer-file-name
>> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

O.K.  Scratch entirely that method.

The approach of making lpr-switches dynamic (ie. via a mechanism
similar to the defadvice posting) seems to work the best for the most
people.  I'll be posting an update to lpr.el with it shortly[1].

Curtis> Can someone describe why lpr-switches aren't made to be buffer-local?

Buffer local variables always tend to be more difficult to understand
than global variables.  ``I changed the value, why isn't it reflected
in `...' buffer as well?''  I've always thought the same about the
compile-command variable.

[1]
I am one of those who lost face when printing failed in 19.14.  For
19.15 it *will* be perfect.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net> writes:

Patrick> Testing with variable:
Patrick> (setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")

Patrick> 	Still seems to be complaining....

Don't be gentle, I use:

(setq message-from-style 'angles)
(setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")
(setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")

I also use the DM macro in /etc/sendmail.cf to correct the
braindamaged and bogus Sender: line Gnus mistakenly attempts to
send out.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

Kevin> I have a rather unusual task that I'd like to perform on a very
Kevin> large VM message folder

Forget VM, emacs, etc.  Grab the procmail distribution from:
	ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/

and read about formail(1), which can be used with a full installation
of procmail.  Since procmail can work with VM, you might consider
putting it to use as well ...
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Trouble reading man pages
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>>>>> "David" == David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

David> Hi.
David> Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
David> 'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

David> TIOCGWINSZ failed
David> : Not a typewriter

David> at the top?

Man.el in 19.14 is suffering from a lot of braindamage.  One current
workaround is to copy man.el from GNU Emacs 19.34[1] to somewhere in
your load-path and use it instead.  It works a lot better on Linux.

[1]
In the general case, don't attempt copying lisp .el files with the
same name from GNU Emacs.  In this case, it has already been tested
and verified.
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Hi,
  Does anyone please tell me the way to use "unexec" in emacs?
Regards,
Pisut T.


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.cde,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: CDE/XEMACS/Netscape
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Sumit Das wrote:
> 
> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

   You're definitely not alone in seeing this behavior.  I'm pretty sure
that this is the expected behavior.  Unfortunately, I do not have a good
answer on how to get around it.  I tend to run into this more with exmh
(an excellent TCL/Tk-based mailer).  When I click on a URL, it will fire
up netscape in the same workspace.  Being an "anal-retentive" ;-) and
wanting to keep everything in it's place, I simply click on the URL and
switch to the Netscape workspace promptly.  If I'm not fast enough, I
just click the left window button and select "Occupy Workspace", then
select just the one I want, not the "extra" one.

   By the way, if you *want* an application to show up in more than one
workspace, this is documented in the Online Help - Hold down the Shift
key as you slide down each of the names of the workspaces you want to
display in - then of course, "Occupy All Workspaces" is also an option. 
But to get an application to "stay put" in it's original workspace only
does not seem to be the way it works, and I've not yet located any
documentation on this subject.

   Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)

   Thanks,

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I'm trying to reconfigure the mouse to do the following

left mouse button: Mark Text as ususal (drag , single click, double
click , triple click) but also immediatly place marked text int he
kill buffer for later yanking.

middle mouse button: Yank marked text including text marked 
outside of EMACS (standard X Windows selectected text0


right mouse button : Cut


I've gotten the right button to work properly (I think) . The middle
does a yank of previously killed text in EMACS but not of text marked
outside of EMACS. The left button does the marks as ususaly (probably
because I haven't changed it at all yet)  but I'd like it to also put
the marked text in the cut buffer.

I had the mouse working this way under reg GNU EMACS 19.30 and I much
prefer it to the current settings.

If anyone could point me to a FAQ with this information or a solution
I would be most gratefull


Michael Stamps 
mstamps@hiwaay.net


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From: Jens Claussen <claussen@db.fmi.uni-passau.de>
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Brian Masinick <masinick@zk3.dec.com> writes:

> 
> Sumit Das wrote:
> > 
> > I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> > another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> > Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> > now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> > with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> > in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> > that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> > XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).
> 
>    Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)
> 

URLs are sent to Netscape via the "remote" interface, i.e. executing
netscape like
netscape -remote openURL(http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html)
(see http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html)

You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".

Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
option. A "dirty" solution might be simply hacking the file
"browse-url.el" to always send the option "-noraise". Any better way
to achieve this? (setting browse-url-netscape-arguments did not work
for me)

Jens

-- 
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David Ritter <dritter@mich.com> writes:

> I just upgraded w3 beta from 3.0.12 to 3.0.22 and I no longer get any
> images displayed. Only test is displayed, and images do not download at
> all. The tag [IMAGE] is displayed in the image location.  If there is
> reference to this in the doc's, I could not find it.  I have tried
> selecting Autoload Inline images off and on, with no improvement.

  The latest emacs-w3 beta is undergoing _MAJOR_ changes.  Inlined images
haven't been reimplemented yet.  But tables (and nested tables) have.  I
think its a good tradeoff for now. :)

-Bill P.

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When I exit VM either with 'q' or with the Quit-Button, the frame will
not be redrawn correctly. If the VM-Frame is the only Frame, the
buttons stay on the screen, and clicking on Quit again produces the a
message that you can only quit VM form within a VM-buffer. If there
are more than one Xemacs-frame, VM exits correctly. How can I stop
this behavoir?

PS.: A Workaround is, to open a new frame and then killing the
(Ex)VM-Frame. 

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From: "Kermit Tensmeyer" <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>
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I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
(and 
cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
but
understandable.

 the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
auto-insert functions
would mess up the functions in the file

for example
else {
	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
}
   if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
   if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }

the problem (once identified) resolved by changing the {match character in
 the pattern} from '#' to '&'

 if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m&$Sflag&); }

 the emacs parser and syntax checker stops parsing at the '#' because
everything
 after the '#' is a comment!   nicht wahr?

  Unless someone want to rewrite the perl-mode.el code to be more context
sensitive,
 be aware that using the comment character as the pattern match character,
may
 lead to frustrating editing under emacs.

 (oh you didn't know that emacs can auto format the perl file by syntax? Or
that
 you can run the debugger on perl source as well?  silly me, I thought
everyone
 had been converted to the one-true-religion.  ;-) )

-- 
Kermit Tensmeyer       NEC InterNet Operations Centre (INOC)
kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com              Dallas, Texas

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William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:


>   The latest emacs-w3 beta is undergoing _MAJOR_ changes.  Inlined images
> haven't been reimplemented yet.  But tables (and nested tables) have.  I
> think its a good tradeoff for now. :)

Thanks for the update, I'll look forward to your continued
improvement. I thought I was missing something :-]

David Ritter

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Kermit Tensmeyer (kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com) wrote:
: I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
: (and 
: cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
: but
: understandable.
: 

If it is anything like the line-wrapping capability of your newsreader,
the problem is understandable.  Makes it hard to read, eh?  Well I will
stop here then.

Regards,
Mike Heins                          http://www.iac.net/~mikeh ___       ___
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: C-u C-q in c-mode
Date: 28 Sep 1996 21:51:36 +0200
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I have noticed that C-u C-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
justify-current-line.

I have investigated a bit, and found that justify-current-line
contains
(if (and adaptive-fill-mode
         (looking-at adaptive-fill-regexp))
    (goto-char (match-end 0)))

Even with xemacs -q, I find that adaptive-fill-mode is t. The strange
thing is that adaptive-fill-regexp is nil, which is why looking-at
signals an error.

I do not understand enough elisp to tell why doesn't the line 67 of
prim/fill.el, which is (verbatim):
(defvar adaptive-fill-regexp (purecopy "[ \t]*\\([#;>*]+ +\\)?")
assign the value to adaptive-fill-regexp?

-- 
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hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
------------------------------------------------------------------
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* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.
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I have noticed that C-u M-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
justify-current-line.

I have investigated a bit, and found that justify-current-line
contains
(if (and adaptive-fill-mode
         (looking-at adaptive-fill-regexp))
    (goto-char (match-end 0)))

Even with xemacs -q, I find that adaptive-fill-mode is t. The strange
thing is that adaptive-fill-regexp is nil, which is why looking-at
signals an error.

I do not understand enough elisp to tell why doesn't the line 67 of
prim/fill.el, which is (verbatim):
(defvar adaptive-fill-regexp (purecopy "[ \t]*\\([#;>*]+ +\\)?")
assign the value to adaptive-fill-regexp?

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>>>>> Hans-Erik Floryd writes:

  HEF> I use (x)emacs for editing VHDL-files. My problem is that the
  HEF> files I edit are usually all called vhdl.vhd (but in different
  HEF> directories, of course). As a result, I tend to have
  HEF> vhdl.vhd<1> to vhdl.vhd<xx> in the buffers menu, making it
  HEF> pretty difficult to find the file I want.

Try uniquify.el; comes with Emacs 19.30 and higher.  It uses buffer
names "vhdl.vhd|foo" and "vhdl.vhd|bar" for the "foo/vhdl.vhd" and
"bar/vhdl.vhd" files.

kai
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[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>.]

In article <01bbad68$8307ef80$5f18658f@deacon-blue>,
Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com> wrote:
> I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
> (and 
> cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
> but
> understandable.
> 
>  the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
> auto-insert functions
> would mess up the functions in the file
> 
> for example
> else {
> 	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
> }
>    if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
>    if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }

CPerl has "almost no problems" with s###. Unless you do some silly
things like the above one - with extra parentheses. Read Non-problems
section in minidocs (from menu).

Ilya

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrvoje> I have noticed that C-u M-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
Hrvoje> doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
Hrvoje> justify-current-line.

 [Excellent bug report removed]

There is an identical problem with Emacs 19.34.  Fixed in XEmacs
19.15.
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I was trying to do something simple and failed. I bound revert-buffer to 
a key, but then I always had to type in yes for confirmation. I don't 
want a confirmation, so I tried to attach the options to the define key 
command. I tried ',",(,[, nothing worked. What is the syntax?

Thanx.

--
rick

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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Date: 29 Sep 1996 01:34:16 -0500
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Very useful.  Noticed this behavior: Toggling, also marks the . and
.. entries.  Would it be better to leave them unmarked.

Wish I could modify the function to do that, but presently my elisp skills
are nada.

Thanks for the function.

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>>   <moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se> writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> > Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
> > files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?
> 
> Tested only against XEmacs, execute when visiting a dired buffer.
> 
> (defun dired-toggle-mark (&optional arg)
>   (interactive "P")
>   (let (ichar buffer-read-only)
>     (save-excursion
>       (goto-char (point-min))
>       (forward-line 2)
>       (while (not (eobp))
> 	(setq ichar (if (looking-at " ") dired-marker-char ?\  ))
> 	(delete-char 1)
> 	(insert ichar)
> 	(forward-line 1)))))

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Dear All,

I have some problems with Gnus in converting to XEmacs.

1. Every time I post (or followup) to a newsgroup, I get a bounce
from the Mailer saying "Returned mail: no recipient address found
in header" .. apparently a To: field is being added to the mail
while it is being sent. 

2. From the *Groups* buffer, J lets you select the target
group. However in Emacs (and Gnus 5.1), this allowed a completion
facility that would check all newsgroups on the server for
choices. Now with Gnus 5.2/XEmacs 19.14,  the Group-name
completion only checks newsgroups that I've ever read. 

Any help resolving these will be much appreciated !!

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Sailesh
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick and/or Sara Baartman <trab@triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I was trying to do something simple and failed. I bound revert-buffer to 
Rick> a key, but then I always had to type in yes for confirmation. I don't 
Rick> want a confirmation, so I tried to attach the options to the define key 
Rick> command. I tried ',",(,[, nothing worked. What is the syntax?

Rick> Thanx.

Keeping in mind this is an extraordinarily dangerous thing to do,
bind this function to a key instead.

(defun revert-buffer-unconditionally (&optional arg)
  "Revert current buffer without prompting.
This is an extremely dangerous thing to do."
  (interactive)
  (revert-buffer t t))


Another method would be something like:

(global-set-key "\C-cR"
	        '(lambda ()
		   "Revert current buffer without prompting.
This is an extremely dangerous thing to do."
                   (interactive)
	           (revert-buffer t t)))


Instructions about this kind of keybinding are in the XEmacs FAQ.
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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> Very useful.  Noticed this behavior: Toggling, also marks
Srinivas> the . and .. entries.  Would it be better to leave them
Srinivas> unmarked.

Srinivas> Wish I could modify the function to do that, but presently
Srinivas> my elisp skills are nada.

Srinivas> Thanks for the function.

You're welcome.

sb> (forward-line 2)

Change that to (forward-line 4) to avoid marking `.' and `..'.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "William" == William S Hayes <william@amber.biology.gatech.edu> writes:

William> It doesn't automatically load when I enter a perl program.  It
William> does font-lock it and CPerl shows in the modeline at the bottom.
William> I also have cperl-hairy set to t (true).

William> I can get the menu loaded when I M-x load-file ~/.emacs

William> I am running Emacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 using a Sparc 5.

William> Thanks for any assistance.

cperl mode does not put up its menu by default.  For now you should
add

(add-hook 'cperl-mode-hook
	  '(lambda () (easy-menu-add cperl-menu)))

to your .emacs.  It will put the menu up by default (if menubars were
compiled into your XEmacs) in 19.15.

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Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Liam" == Liam Healy <Liam.Healy@nrl.navy.mil> writes:

> jsamuels@hoffa.openport.com (Jordan A. Samuels) writes:

Jordan> I am using XEmacs-19.14 (on SunOS 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc
Jordan> SUNW,Ultra-1), and although I have the options set to maximum
Jordan> fontification (with colors), I can't get outline mode to
Jordan> colorize.

Liam> Now why did they remove *-font-lock-keywords for outline and dired
Liam> modes?  

I don't know, but XEmacs 19.15 will work the same way as GNU Emacs
19.34 does.  I like color, and have cleaned up a few other previously
colorless modes as well (like *Apropos*).
-- 
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[Cleaning out old bug reports]

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Anderson [Contractor] <Steven> writes:

Steven> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.3) of Fri Jun 28 1996 on lisp
Steven> When I enlarge the Finder window to the entire frame, pressing q
Steven> doesn't just kill the Finder, it kills the Finder and the entire
Steven> frame.

I cannot duplicate your problem, however, finder.el does not work very
well in 19.14.  It has been fixed for 19.15.
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Robert Estes (estes@lena.ece.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
> I've compiled (a couple months ago) xemacs 19.14 and now have a cursor (on
> tty windows) which bounces back and forth from one character to the next --
> i.e, it highlights the current character, then the next character, then the
> current character again.  This isn't the desired response, is it?  Is it an
> option that I can override?  By the way, I compiled Xemacs under HPUX 9.05.

I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a "normal"
behaviour, until the tty optimizations are implemented. Anyone?

-- 
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Where is xemacs to load.

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 Where is the xemacs source


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From: Thomas Sicheritz <thomas@evolution.bmc.uu.se>
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Subject: W3, link color ?
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Hej,

I want to set the color of the http links in w3
to blue ...
But I always end up with the color goldenrod ...
mostly unreadable :-(

How should I change that ?
I tried in my .Xdefaults:

Emacs.w3-node-style.attributeForeground:                blue
Emacs.w3-visited-node-style.attributeForeground:        purple
- still goldenrod ...

I checked edit-faces, no entry with goldenrod
I checked the LISP dir, no files ...

! HELP !!! I want to use w3 ...

thx
-thomas


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net> writes:
> 
> Patrick> Testing with variable:
> Patrick> (setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")
> 
> Patrick> 	Still seems to be complaining....
> 
> Don't be gentle, I use:
> 
> (setq message-from-style 'angles)
> (setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")
> (setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")
> 
> I also use the DM macro in /etc/sendmail.cf to correct the
> braindamaged and bogus Sender: line Gnus mistakenly attempts to
> send out.

That's cheating. BTW, having had it thick to fight every Emacs
installation until I no longer got goofy From addresses (why the heck
does emacs think it is smarter than the sendmail configurator?), I
have finally find out that
(setq message-from-style "")
(or something like that, am not on the machine in question) did do the
trick.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a
 Hrvoje> "normal" behaviour, until the tty optimizations are
 Hrvoje> implemented. Anyone?

It is 'blink-cursor-mode' and can be toggled by that command.

-- 
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Subject: 19.14 dumps core in vm FreeBSD2.1 RELEASE

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-freebsd2.1) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on susan.logware.de

Hello,

Not sure exactly what information to send you, but here is 'where'
output.

What I use:  vm, tm7.85 .

No particular way to duplicate it unfortunately.

Cordially

--Patrick

Below is the gdb output.
Script started on Fri Sep 27 00:04:37 1996
$ gdb xemacs xemacs-19.14.core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.13 (i386-unknown-freebsd), 
Copyright 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 6, Abort trap.
Cannot access memory at address 0x202ce014.
#0  0x8374ee5 in end ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x8374ee5 in end ()
#1  0x2b946 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0xefbfe13c in end ()
#3  0x2d07e in assert_failed ()
#4  0xb7195 in start_interrupts ()
#5  0xb6b51 in speed_up_interrupts ()
#6  0x270b8 in Fuser_full_name ()
#7  0x31f45 in primitive_funcall ()
#8  0x32158 in funcall_subr ()
#9  0x3177d in funcall_recording_as ()
#10 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#11 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#12 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#13 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#14 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#15 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#16 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#17 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#18 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#19 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#20 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#21 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#22 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- 
#23 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#24 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#25 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#26 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#27 0x12f37 in Fcall_interactively ()
#28 0x30609 in Fcommand_execute ()
#29 0x3ee42 in execute_command_event ()
#30 0x3f6ce in Fdispatch_event ()
#31 0x15dbb in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#32 0x15c3b in command_loop_1 ()
#33 0x2ed96 in condition_case_1 ()
#34 0x160e0 in command_loop_2 ()
#35 0x2eb59 in internal_catch ()
#36 0x15a1c in initial_command_loop ()
#37 0x2c44f in main_1 ()
#38 0x2c826 in main ()
(gdb) quit
$ exit

Script done on Fri Sep 27 00:05:10 1996

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Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
<52k6ju$3iq@monk.mps.ohio-state.edu>...
| [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
| Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>.]
| 
| In article <01bbad68$8307ef80$5f18658f@deacon-blue>,
| Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com> wrote:
| 
| >  the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
| > auto-insert functions would mess up the functions in the file
| > 
| > for example:

| > else {
| > 	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
| > }
| >    if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
| >    if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }
| 
| CPerl has "almost no problems" with s###. Unless you do some silly
| things like the above one - with extra parentheses. Read Non-problems
| section in minidocs (from menu).

  I did not find it in the mini-docs but found in

            M-x describe-variable cperl-non-problems

 (../lisp/modes/cperl-mode.el)

  It describes other ways to fake out both cperl and perl to 
  allow use of '#' symbol

  the author asks that if one comes up with a fix, to supply him with it. ;-(

  Now of course if it's code that _you_ wrote with emacs _it won't be 
  a problem!_

  but it's just a reminder for the rest of us who use code provided 
by others, that is a gotcha and just be aware of the situation

  (oh and by the way the '#' and '&' as match character sometime 
 cause other 'situations'. Beside the prefered '/', what are the other
 characters that make good sense to use?







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>>>>>"SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:

 SLB> Chuck Thompson (the primary XEmacs developer) archives this
 SLB> newsgroup and maintains an extensive bug/change request database
 SLB> based on messages posted here.

 CW> I have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I
 CW> have seen in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for
 CW> XEmacs-19.14...and I have some more...

OK, I would like to see some feedback, then, e.g. by a section in the
NEWS file called
   `Reported bugs which are not fixed in XEmacs-19.xx'
Or can people read Chuck's database?

 SLB> By all means, please post them.

They follow in separate postings.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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We use a software package developed by a vendor using Gnu emacs,
however, we use XEmacs in-house.  I've been able to get around the
couple of compatibility problems that have cropped up.

However, I am getting a new error while trying to load their latest
version.  Some of their .elc's will not load into XEmacs 19.14 (or
19.13).  The *Backtrace* shows the following error comming out of
load-internal:
  
   (error "`version.el' was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later")

If I compile the .el file under XEmacs, it loads fine.
 o Are .elc files not compatible?
 o Are XEmacs .elc files compatible in FSF emacs?

Does anyone have any insight into this?

Thanks in advance



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Philip Tanner wrote:
> 
>         I'm trying to build xemacs 19.14 on a HP and am having
> problems. I've tried various options to the configure script but nothing
> seems to work.
>         This is the configure command I'm running:
> 
> ./configure  --prefix=/usr/newlocal/install_dir/xemacs-19.14 --x-includes=\
> /usr/newlocal/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib --with-xpm=no\
>  --with-xmu=no --with-sound=no
> 
>         This is the error I get:
> 
>         gcc -g -O      -L/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib  -Xlinker -a -Xlinker archive
>             -L/usr/lib/X11R5 -L/usr/lib/Motif1.2 -L/opt/audio/lib
>   -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o b
> ytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o con
> sole.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.
> o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o
> eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.
> o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         g
> eneral.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o
> hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o
> lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o
> objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o
>  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o
> sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o
>  toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
>  redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexhp9k800.o    console-x.o device-x.o
> dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o
> redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o  xmu.o
>  window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o alloca.o
>  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o
> EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw         -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                 -lcurses            -ldbm        -lm
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> /usr/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
>    XmuConvertStandardSelection (code)
>    _XA_LENGTH (data)
>    XmuRegisterExternalAgent (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle (code)
>    _XEditResCheckMessages (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToCursor (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToJustify (code)
>    XmuReshapeWidget (code)
>    XmuReleaseStippledPixmap (code)
>    _XA_TEXT (data)
>    _XA_LIST_LENGTH (data)
>    _XA_COMPOUND_TEXT (data)
>    XmuNewCvtStringToWidget (code)
>    XmuCompareISOLatin1 (code)
>    _XA_SPAN (data)
>    _XA_DELETE (data)
>    _XA_TARGETS (data)
>    _XA_NULL (data)
>    XmuInternAtom (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToColorCursor (code)
>    XmuCreateStippledPixmap (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToOrientation (code)
>    shl_findsym (code)
>    shl_load (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToBitmap (code)
>    _XA_CHARACTER_POSITION (data)
> *** Error exit code 1
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error exit code 1
> 
>         Has anyone seen this or know what's wrong?
> 
>                                         Phil
> 
>                                         ptanner@sw.stratus.com
You are missing the Xmu  - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

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`upcase-word' and similar commands leave characters in the range 160 to
255 unchanged.  E.g., try the key sequence M-u on the following word

	aou

where the characters on positions 1,3,5 are the corresponding umlauts =>
only a, o, and u are changed.

This has been reported various times, here are just the two articles I
have in my folders:


From: Martin Boyer <mboyer@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: case-table with iso8859
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:52:15 GMT
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>Martin Boyer (mboyer@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca) wrote:
Martin>>upcase-..., downcase, search (case insensitive) doesn't work with
Martin>>iso8859-1 characters.
Martin>
Martin>Ditto for upcase-region and friends.

>I defined my own case table and modified syntax entries for
>[cyrillic] characters:

I forgot to mention that iso8859-1 *is* loaded, but it doesn't seem to
work.


From: wedler@vivaldi.fmi.uni-passau.de (Christoph Wedler)
Subject: Re: ISO Latin-1 character case conversion
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Date: 26 Feb 1996 12:14:48 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Passau
>>>>>"TE" == Torsten Ekedahl <teke@homealone.matematik.su.se> writes:

 TE> In article <MBOYER.96Feb25082700@amadeus.robot.ireq.ca> Martin Boyer
 TE> <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:

 >> >I have a problem concerning the case conversion of ISO 8859 Latin-1
 >> >characters in XEmacs 19.13.  `upcase-word' and similar commands leave
 >> >characters in the range 160 to 255 unchanged.

 TE> Now it seems that the case table is reset for every mode (or
 TE> something, I haven't looked into it).

No, the function `set-standard-case-table' doesn't work.  The only thing
it does, is to reset the case table to the US version--after
	(set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
	(set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
you have no iso case table (kind of strange).

 TE> Thus you have to add it to every mode-hook. Typically you'd add
 TE> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook
 TE>             (function (lambda () 
 TE>                         (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table))))

Ok, that works (thanks!), but it shouldn't be that complicated.  There
is another bug concerning uppercase etc.:

The definition in prim/isearch-mode:

(defun isearch-no-upper-case-p (string)
  "Return t if there are no upper case chars in string.
But upper case chars preceeded by \\ do not count since they
have special meaning in a regexp."
  ;; this incorrectly returns t for "\\\\A"
  (let ((case-fold-search nil))
    (not (string-match "\\(^\\|[^\\]\\)[A-Z]" string))))

seems to be US specific too.  prim/replace does the job better:

[...]
	(nocasify (not (and case-fold-search case-replace
			    (string-equal from-string
					  (downcase from-string)))))


 MS> I have the same problem, and I have reported it on this forum a
 MS> long time ago.  Did I miss the reply?

Me, too (without reply)--so let's make a long thread out of this.

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Subject: [bug XEmacs-19.14+patch] save-options stores non-readable objects
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The patch which fixes the bug in `save-options-menu-settings' is after
my signature, probably, more properties than just `display-table' have
to be excluded.

BTW, I would like to see readable representations for more abstract
data-types (that wouldn't give full ammunition to the anti-ADT camp).

P.S. the "fix" of my ~/.emacs is quite annoying, there should be a user
option for turning this off.

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diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 17:49:52 1996
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***************
*** 1060,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
- 
       ))
    "The variables to save; or forms to evaluate to get forms to write out.
  This is used by `save-options-menu-settings' and should mirror the
--- 1060,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      (delq 'display-table
! 				    (copy-sequence
! 				     built-in-face-specifiers)))))
  		   (face-list))))
       ))
    "The variables to save; or forms to evaluate to get forms to write out.
  This is used by `save-options-menu-settings' and should mirror the

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Subject: [bug XEmacs-19.14] keymap autoload & menus (scanning keymaps)
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If this is not a bug, but a feature, it should be stated in the
docstring of `autoload':

(X)Emacs provides the nice feature to autoload keymaps:

	(autoload 'xa-cmd "xa" nil t 'keymap)
	(define-key ctl-x-map [(multi_key)] 'xa-cmd)

	;;;file xa.el:
	(defvar xa-map (make-keymap))
	(define-function 'xa-cmd xa-map)
	(define-key xa-map "f" 'find-file)


But at least in XEmacs-19.14, the following makes this feature pretty
useless:

If I use the menu, or functions such as `where-is-internal', file xa
gets loaded.

Is there any possibility to prevent this?  I already tried:

	(put 'xa-cmd 'suppress-keymap t)

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The docstring of `set-keymap-parents' states:

	`(current-global-map)' is the default parent of all keymaps.

This is wrong:

	(defvar xa-map (make-keymap))
	(define-function 'xa-cmd xa-map)
	(define-key global-map [(shift multi_key)] 'xa-cmd)

If I type
	Sh-Multi_key C-x (C-f)
I get
	Sh-Multi_key C-x is undefined

After
	(set-keymap-parents xa-map (list (current-global-map)))
typing
	Sh-Multi_key C-x C-f
invokes `find-file'.

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(defun vc-rename-this-file (new)
  (interactive "FVC rename file to: ")
  (vc-rename-file buffer-file-name new))

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Lets assume, the XEmacs frame is splitted horizontally into 2 windows.
The current-buffer has a `window-width' of 81 and the buffer in the
`other-window' has a window-width 91.

We then define a function

(defun cw-ww ()
  (interactive)
  (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Help*")
  (let* ((win (get-buffer-window "*Help*" 'visible))
	 (max1 (window-width win))
	 (max2 (/ (- (window-pixel-width win)
		     (window-left-margin-pixel-width win) ; ??
		     (window-right-margin-pixel-width win)	; ??
		     (specifier-instance scrollbar-width win))
		  (font-instance-width (face-font-instance 'default win))))
	 max3)
    (redisplay-frame)
    (setq max3 (window-width win))
    (message "%d, %d, %d" max1 max2 max3)))

M-x cw-ww
	=> 91, 81, 81
i.e. the expression for max2 is the workaround for this bug

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Do not deactivate region with `backward-page' and `backward-up-list':

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 18:44:37 1996
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***************
*** 63,69 ****
    "Move backward to page boundary.  With arg, repeat, or go fwd if negative.
  A page boundary is any line whose beginning matches the regexp
  `page-delimiter'."
!   (interactive "p")
    (or count (setq count 1))
    (forward-page (- count)))
  
--- 63,69 ----
    "Move backward to page boundary.  With arg, repeat, or go fwd if negative.
  A page boundary is any line whose beginning matches the regexp
  `page-delimiter'."
!   (interactive "_p")
    (or count (setq count 1))
    (forward-page (- count)))


diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el
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***************
*** 107,113 ****
  With argument, do this that many times.
  A negative argument means move forward but still to a less deep spot.
  In Lisp programs, an argument is required."
!   (interactive "p")
    (up-list (- arg)))
  
  (defun up-list (arg) 
--- 107,113 ----
  With argument, do this that many times.
  A negative argument means move forward but still to a less deep spot.
  In Lisp programs, an argument is required."
!   (interactive "_p")
    (up-list (- arg)))
  
  (defun up-list (arg) 


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Hi:

Does anyone know about an Emacs Utility to show
the list of functions that call a given function?

Example would be:

(print-call-tree my_func)
My_func is called by:
	his_func
	yours_func
	.
	.
	.

I heard this was implemented for Xemacs 18 by someone
using tags file...

I was wondering if there was an up-to-date utility
for Xemacs 19.x


Any info apreciated!

Volkan

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Bug: The buffer menu us shortened to `buffers-menu-max-size' items even
if `buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p' is non-nil

Request: Why not let `buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p' (probably
without -p) be an integer : if there are more buffers than this value,
use submenus, otherwise not.

Both are fixed in the patch after my signature.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 18:51:38 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el	Mon Sep 30 18:51:38 1996
***************
*** 708,714 ****
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil
    "*If true, the buffers menu will contain one submenu per group of buffers,
! if a grouping function is specified in `buffers-menu-grouping-function'.")
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-switch-to-buffer-function 'switch-to-buffer
    "*The function to call to select a buffer from the buffers menu.
--- 708,716 ----
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil
    "*If true, the buffers menu will contain one submenu per group of buffers,
! if a grouping function is specified in `buffers-menu-grouping-function'.
! If this is an integer, do not build submenus if the number of buffers
! is not larger than this value.")
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-switch-to-buffer-function 'switch-to-buffer
    "*The function to call to select a buffer from the buffers menu.
***************
*** 874,885 ****
      (and (integerp buffers-menu-max-size)
  	 (> buffers-menu-max-size 1)
  	 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-max-size)
! 	 ;; shorten list of buffers
  	 (setcdr (nthcdr buffers-menu-max-size buffers) nil))
      (if buffers-menu-sort-function
  	(setq buffers (sort buffers buffers-menu-sort-function)))
      (if (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 	     buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p)
  	(let (groups groupnames current-group)
  	  (mapl
  	   #'(lambda (sublist)
--- 876,891 ----
      (and (integerp buffers-menu-max-size)
  	 (> buffers-menu-max-size 1)
  	 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-max-size)
! 	 ;; shorten list of buffers (not with submenus!)
! 	 (not (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 		   buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p))
  	 (setcdr (nthcdr buffers-menu-max-size buffers) nil))
      (if buffers-menu-sort-function
  	(setq buffers (sort buffers buffers-menu-sort-function)))
      (if (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 	     buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p
! 	     (or (not (integerp buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p))
! 		 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p)))
  	(let (groups groupnames current-group)
  	  (mapl
  	   #'(lambda (sublist)

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Subject: [sugg+patch XEmacs-19.14] Double clicking on (, ),...
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 * Double clicking (button1) on `(', `{' and `)', `}' highlights the
   whole sexpr (changed function `default-mouse-track-normalize-point',
   file prim/mouse.el below).

(I posted this for XEmacs-19.13 as a `defun', because package mouse is
loaded before ~/.emacs and not all user can change the packages.  This
seems to be the reason why this was not included in XEmacs-19.14,
despite questions about this feature before and after my posting :-)

Ben Wing suggested to introduce a user option for this..but what's the
use of a double click on (,... then, if you generally allow the special
treatment of double clicking some syntactic entity?  Before this user
option, there are thousands to be introduced first (e.g. one user option
to turn off the creation of any frame in VM, whether to "fix" the
~/.emacs with `save-options-menu-settings',...)

A patch is after my signature.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 19:11:23 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el	Mon Sep 30 19:11:23 1996
***************
*** 770,778 ****
    (cond ((eq type 'word)
  	 ;; trap the beginning and end of buffer errors
  	 (condition-case ()
! 	     (if forwardp
! 		 (default-mouse-track-end-of-word t)
! 	       (default-mouse-track-beginning-of-word t))
  	   (error ())))
  	((eq type 'line)
  	 (if forwardp (end-of-line) (beginning-of-line)))
--- 770,786 ----
    (cond ((eq type 'word)
  	 ;; trap the beginning and end of buffer errors
  	 (condition-case ()
! 	     (progn
! 	       (setq type (char-syntax (char-after (point))))
! 	       (if forwardp
! 		   (if (= type ?\()
! 		       (goto-char (scan-sexps (point) 1))
! 		     (if (= type  ?\))
! 			 (forward-char 1)
! 		       (default-mouse-track-end-of-word t)))
! 		 (if (= type ?\))
! 		     (goto-char (scan-sexps (1+ (point)) -1))
! 		   (default-mouse-track-beginning-of-word t))))
  	   (error ())))
  	((eq type 'line)
  	 (if forwardp (end-of-line) (beginning-of-line)))

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A face property `baseline' (`vertical-shift') would be nice for more
WYSIWYG in buffers with HTML or LaTeX major mode.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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>>>>>   <shahid1@eng.kuniv.edu.kw> writes:

>  Where is the xemacs source

	ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/

Mirrors are available:
	ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/
	ftp.uu.net:/systems/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.sunet.se:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.cenatls.cena.dgac.fr:/pub/Emacs/xemacs/
	liasun3.epfl.ch:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.th-darmstadt.de:/pub/editors/xemacs/
	audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au:/xemacs/
	sunsite.auc.dk:/pub/emacs/xemacs/
	sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk:/gnu/xemacs/
	uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/packages/xemacs/
	ftp.technion.ac.il:/pub/unsupported/gnu/xemacs/
	thphys.irb.hr:/pub/xemacs/

The total package is around 16MB.


Please see also the XEmacs FAQ at
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
or
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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One thing, I would like to see in XEmacs, is that the argument of
:suffix in menu items will be evaluated.

 + Nearly all filter functions will become much easier (see functions in
   XEMACS/x11/x-menubar.el).

 + It would be much easier for users to add some menu items with some
   :suffix to be evaluated, e.g. the buffer name.

 + Since a menu filter in a menu evaluates all filter functions in its
   submenus, we could write time-consuming filters for submenus of the
   "File" menu, since there wouldn't be any use of the
   `file-menu-filter'.

Arguments of other keywords are evaluated, too (e.g. :active), so I hope,
speed is not the reason.

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Hi There!  I've got some fantastic news!  I think you should read if you

need to get some serious cash in a hurry.  Get a printout of this

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for some people but

 not me.  The difference with this system is the low investment, only

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article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE

AND MAKE $50,000 IN CASH IN ONLY FOUR WEEKS!!!  The more I considered it

the more excited I became about the idea.  Considering just my credit

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w much of each of my payments went to interest alone, $5 was a tiny

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I then took the revised article now with my name on the list and

REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY LOCAL BULLET

IN BOARDS THAT I KNEW(ABOUT 200). I then waited and watched for the

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I knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people

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Way!!! I received a totaL =


OF $19,471!!!  I WAS SHOCKED!       =




Now after almost a year, I am ready to try it again! So was it possible

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Let's review the reasons why you should do this: the cost is only five

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five stamps, five envelopes, five minutes to mail them off and time to

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insrtuctions

 for you.  SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME MONEY? HERE WE GO!!! =




***THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THE ARTICLE***



Read this carefully or get a printout if you like, so that you may refer

to it as often as you like.



1.  Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "please add me

to your list".  This creates a service out of this money making system

and makes it perfectly legal. You are not just randomly mailing a dollar

to someone, you are paying for a legitimate service.  Make sure to

include your name and address.  Also add the name of a newsgroup where

it will be posted, so that the receipent may check if he/she wishes.



2.  Now take this sheet of paper and wrap it around the dollar bill,

then put it into an envelope and mail it to one of the five paople on

the list. Folding the paper around the bill and concealing it will

insure it's arrival and reduce mail theft. A thick, dark paper is

recommended to prevent theft. THIS IS IMPORTANT!!



3.  Now listen carefully, here's where you get your money rolling in.

Look at the list. remove the first name. Move everyone up on the list.

The name in position 2 moves to position 1, position 3 to 2, position 4

to 3, position 5 to 4. Then add your name, address, zipcode and country

to position 5.



4. Now upload the updated article to as many newsgroups as you can.  Try

to post it to as many loca BBS=92s as possible too.  Give it a catchy

title.  Such as "EA$Y MONEY", "FA$T CA$H" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF

DEBTS?".  The more posts the more money you will make, and of course,

the more money the others on the list make too.  PLEASE REMEMBER that

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y their carefully adhering to the directions.  REMEMBER, BE HONEST AND

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5.  This is the step I like. JUST SIT BACK , RELAX AND WAIT FOR THE CASH

TO ARRIVE!!  The first one or two weeks will be slow but it will pick up

and your mailman will hate you because of all of the extra weight! So

pay off your bills and debts and if you ever need any extra cash repost

it every year or so.  =




NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!  Of every 200 postings I

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bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 postings WITH YOUR NAME AT

NUMBER 5.  Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say, only

200 additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings. =


On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at

number 4. You make $50.  Y

our 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3 or

10,000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They make 200

postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 =3D 100,000 postings =3D 5,000

returns at $1 each =3D $5,000. Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings

each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1 and you get a return of $50,000 before

your name drops off the list.  AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY

MAKES 200 POSTINGS! =


 Total income in one cycle =3D $55 500.  From time to time, when your nam=
e

is no longer on the list, you can take the latest posting that is

appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE

ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. =


Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. The more you post, the

greater the return.  Some people have said to me "What happens if the

scheme is 'played out' and =


no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but what are the

chances of that happening?  Do you realise how many Internet Users there

are?  Do you realise how many times this scheme can be utilised over and

over again - with COMPLETELY NEW people participating?  There are not

HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW INTERNET

USERS EVERY MONTH! Remember, read the instructions carefully and play

FAIRLY...that's the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can

refer back to this article easily.  Try to keep a list of everyone that

sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroup postings to make

sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be.



********************************************************************  =


NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST       =


********************************************************************

           !!!!!!!!HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM WORK!!!!!!!!



1. Christy Johnson

   P.O. Box  181, =


   C.R. , IA 52406-0181



2. Gilbert Banks Jr.

   707 Wedgewood Plaza Drive, =


   Riviera Beach, FL 33404	=




3. Brian Edwards

   5635 Kirkwood Blvd. SW # 8,  =


   Cedar Rapids, IA 524042

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I have a problem that can in a sense be blamed on my own stupidity. I
modified a file and then wanted to go back so I hit 'undo' a number of
times. I hit it one time too many and erased a large segment which I had
transferred by mouse buffer. Is there a way to recover the loss? Can I undo
the undo?

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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Does anyone know where I can find an Orbix tolerant C++ mode for emacs? 
In particular, Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions
on platforms that do not natively support them.  This messes up the
indenting with my C++ mode.  If you do not have a C++ mode already, can
you tell me how to add keywords so they are treated as if there are
trailing ;'s?

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Hi,
	I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
.el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
Xemacs.  I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.

Alan Ross
maross@llnl.gov


;;; column.el --- display line and column in the mode line
;; Copyright (C) 1993 Per Abrahamsen.
;; Copyright abandoned.  This file is donated to the public domain.
;; Author: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
;; Version: 0.1
 
;; Diaplay format modified by Chengwei Wu, June 29, 1994
 
;;; Commentary:
;; Requires FSF Emacs 19.
 
;;; Code:
;; Need remove-hook from lucid.
(require 'lucid)
 
;; String containing current column as last evaluated.
(defvar current-column "0")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'current-column)
 
;; Function updating the string containing the current column.
(defvar update-column-function 
  (function (lambda ()
              (setq current-column (int-to-string (current-column)))
              (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)))))
 
(defvar display-column-mode nil
  "Show current column and line in mode line if non-nil.")
 
;; Add to minor mode list.  Should really be part of mode-line-format.
(or (assq 'display-column-mode minor-mode-alist)
    (setq minor-mode-alist
          (cons '(display-column-mode (" L%l:C" current-column ""))
                minor-mode-alist)))
 
;;;autoload
(defun display-column-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle display column mode.
With prefix arg, turn display column mode on iff arg is positive.
 
When display column mode is on, the current column and line number are
displayed in the mode line."
  (interactive "P")
  (if (or (and (null arg) display-column-mode)
          (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
      ;; Turn it off
      (if display-column-mode
          (progn
            (remove-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)
            (setq display-column-mode nil)
            (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))))
    ;;Turn it on
    (if display-column-mode
        ()
      (add-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)
      (setq display-column-mode t))))
 
(provide 'column)
 
;;; column.el ends here

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Hi,
  I was looking through the mail archive and came across a problem with
XEmacs saying (and thinking) that its asyncronous compilation process
hasn't finished.  I couldn't find any resolution of the problem later.  I
observe it as well on my Linux and Solaris 2.4 versions of XEmacs 19.14. 
It appears to be due to XEmacs not using the system "waitpid(..)" fn
properly, but I can't tell if there's a fix, or if this is just a bug that
I can't do much about for now. 

  Are there any solutions that I missed when going through the archives?  

Greg J. Badros 
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And here's the answer...

Dipankar Gupta writes:
 >  > I have a source file that is used to generate several different
 >  > variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
 >  > 
 >  > What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
 >  > not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.
 >  > 
 >  > Does anyone have a way to do this, e.g. using outline mode or their
 >  > own package.
 > 
 > John,
 > 
 > This functionality is exactly what the `hideif' package provides.  You
 > could try:
 > 
 > (require 'hideif)
 > 
 > and look at the functions hide-ifdef-define, hide-ifdef-undef and
 > hide-ifdefs.
 > 
 > Hope this helps.
 > Dipankar

Thanks Dipankar!

-john

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I have a source file that is used to generate several different
variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.

What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.

Does anyone have a way to do this, e.g. using outline mode or their
own package.

Any suggestions considered (well, within reason :-).

Thanks,

-john

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From: Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com>
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I didn't receive a response the first time I posted this, so I'm
trying again with a little more information.

What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

This is what I currently have in my .emacs file. It doesn't appear to
be working as far as the appointment reminders go.

(add-hook 'diary-display-hook 'fancy-diary-display)
(add-hook 'list-diary-entries-hook 'sort-diary-entries)
 
(setq appt-message-warning-time t
      appt-audible t
      appt-visible t
      appt-display-mode-line t
      appt-msg-window t
      appt-display-duration "3600")
 
(diary)

Would someone please help. When I first start Xemacs, I see my diary
entries and appointments, but I have already forgotten about the
appointments by the time they arrive, so I need something to pop to
the front of my screen and remind me.

Thanks,

...Mike
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Subject: file label in status bar disappears

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on gold

I have set up options to display the full file pathname.
(in my .emacs, i say
       ; give full pathnames of files in info line
       (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 
		 '(lambda ()
		    (setq mode-line-buffer-identification 'buffer-file-truename)))
)
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bar
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In <324CC1AC.41C6@zk3.dec.com> Brian Masinick <masinick@zk3.dec.com> writes:

>Sumit Das wrote:
>> 
>> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
>> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
>> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
>> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
>> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
>> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
>> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
>> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

>   You're definitely not alone in seeing this behavior.  I'm pretty sure
>that this is the expected behavior.  Unfortunately, I do not have a good
>answer on how to get around it.  I tend to run into this more with exmh
>(an excellent TCL/Tk-based mailer).  When I click on a URL, it will fire
>up netscape in the same workspace.  Being an "anal-retentive" ;-) and
>wanting to keep everything in it's place, I simply click on the URL and
>switch to the Netscape workspace promptly.  If I'm not fast enough, I
>just click the left window button and select "Occupy Workspace", then
>select just the one I want, not the "extra" one.

>   By the way, if you *want* an application to show up in more than one
>workspace, this is documented in the Online Help - Hold down the Shift
>key as you slide down each of the names of the workspaces you want to
>display in - then of course, "Occupy All Workspaces" is also an option. 
>But to get an application to "stay put" in it's original workspace only
>does not seem to be the way it works, and I've not yet located any
>documentation on this subject.

>   Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)

>   Thanks,

>-- 

I agree that this is a "feature", and not necessarily a bug.  Whenever
I launch an application and then change my workspace before its window
is mapped on the screen, it will "follow" the focus and appear on
whatever workspace I am in when it is ready to be mapped.

Chris Hahn -- chahn@thomsoft.com

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

    Rick> I have a problem that can in a sense be blamed on my
    Rick> own stupidity. I modified a file and then wanted to go
    Rick> back so I hit 'undo' a number of times. I hit it one
    Rick> time too many and erased a large segment which I had
    Rick> transferred by mouse buffer. Is there a way to recover
    Rick> the loss? Can I undo the undo?

Type SPC or anything .. and then undo back to the point you want.



-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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Subject: RCS and Xemacs 19.14
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I've noticed two things using RCS under Xemacs 19.14:

1)  I have font lock turned off for long C files ala:
   (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode. 5000) 

    When I initially load in my c file it isn't fontified, but then
when I check it out via the RCS menu it gets fontified.

2)  After I have checked out a file the RCS menu still says Check Out
File for that buffer.  (Under 19.13 it knew and gave me the Check In
File option).  The only way I know to check the file in is in a shell
window.

--jp

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Folks,

I am trying to compile xemacs with gcc-2.7.2 under Solaris 2.5, and
with most of the goodies supported, but right when temacs goes to
create the xemacs executable, I get this message:

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/src/stage/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

Can anyone give me any advice?  Thanks!

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> There is an identical problem with Emacs 19.34.  Fixed in XEmacs
> 19.15.

However, I still do not understand why adaptive-fill-regexp is nil,
in spie of purecopy that sets it to a value. If fill.el is preloaded,
shouldn't purecopy assign the value to it?

-- 
hniksic@srce.hr              |  Student of electrical engineering
hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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I'm using ange-ftp to monitor and then copy files from my account on a
Windows NT server. It works fine, but I have two questions.

1. I can't seem to make a symlink between NT files and my unix
   directory. This would be very handy.

2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
   binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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Hi,

what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
solve this name...

Michel

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Subject: 19.14 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5 is crashing

XEmacs (19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Tue Sep 17 1996 on
spock) is crashing.  It is a relatively infrequent occurrence, for a
user who is using psgml mode (on html docs?), with lots of colors and
things.  Other users are doing fine.  I *suspect* that XEmacs was
built with a stock GCC 2.7.2.

I apologize in advance for any horrible things that Notes Mail will do
to this message.

Will

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Current directory is /tools/bin-5/
GDB 4.16 (sparc-sun-solaris2.5), =
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found).=

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	* tex-info.el (texinfo-mode): Check whether imenu stuff is bound.

BTW, what's about a (re-)merge of package func-menu (in XEmacs) with
imenu (in Emacs): each package has its advantages...

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/tex-info.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/tex-info.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/tex-info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:50:23 1996
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***************
*** 228,235 ****
    (setq comment-start-skip "@c +\\|@comment +")
    (make-local-variable 'words-include-escapes)
    (setq words-include-escapes t)
!   (make-local-variable 'imenu-generic-expression)
!   (setq imenu-generic-expression texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)
    (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
    (setq font-lock-defaults '(texinfo-font-lock-keywords t))
    (if (not (boundp 'texinfo-section-list))
--- 228,238 ----
    (setq comment-start-skip "@c +\\|@comment +")
    (make-local-variable 'words-include-escapes)
    (setq words-include-escapes t)
!   (and (boundp 'imenu-generic-expression)
!        (boundp 'texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)
!        (progn
! 	 (make-local-variable 'imenu-generic-expression)
! 	 (setq imenu-generic-expression texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)))
    (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
    (setq font-lock-defaults '(texinfo-font-lock-keywords t))
    (if (not (boundp 'texinfo-section-list))

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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	* info.el (Info-elisp-ref): Look first in package lispref, then
	elisp.

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/info.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/info.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:44:04 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:44:04 1996
***************
*** 1635,1642 ****
    (save-window-excursion
      (info)
      (condition-case nil
! 	(Info-find-node "elisp" "Top")
!       (error (Info-find-node "lispref" "Top")))
      (Info-index (symbol-name func)))
    (pop-to-buffer "*info*"))
  
--- 1635,1642 ----
    (save-window-excursion
      (info)
      (condition-case nil
! 	(Info-find-node "lispref" "Top")
!       (error (Info-find-node "elisp" "Top")))
      (Info-index (symbol-name func)))
    (pop-to-buffer "*info*"))
  

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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	* compile.el (compilation-font-lock-keywords): `defvar' instead of
	`defconst'!

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/compile.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/compile.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/compile.el	Tue Oct  1 13:57:55 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/compile.el	Tue Oct  1 13:57:55 1996
***************
*** 284,290 ****
  ;; History of grep commands.
  (defvar grep-history nil)
  
! (defconst compilation-font-lock-keywords (purecopy
    (list
     '("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9/+]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: \\([wW]arning:\\).*$" .
       font-lock-keyword-face)
--- 284,290 ----
  ;; History of grep commands.
  (defvar grep-history nil)
  
! (defvar compilation-font-lock-keywords (purecopy
    (list
     '("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9/+]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: \\([wW]arning:\\).*$" .
       font-lock-keyword-face)


-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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Michel Jouvin writes:
 > what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
 > solve this name...

   what happened to your DNS, Michel? ciao :-)

% nslookup www.xemacs.org
Name Server:  hp-po.stru.polimi.it
Address:  131.175.24.253

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    www.xemacs.org
Address:  128.174.252.16

% 

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Jens Claussen <claussen@db.fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:
> You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
> workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".
> 
> Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
> option. A "dirty" solution might be simply hacking the file
> "browse-url.el" to always send the option "-noraise". Any better way
> to achieve this? (setting browse-url-netscape-arguments did not work
> for me)

Maybe you can write a little shell script, call it "netscape-noraise"

#! /bin/sh
netscape -noraise $*

and then tell XEmacs to execute this instead of "netscape". If have
not tested this.

Marius

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johnmac@hpqs0215.sqf.hp.com (John Macartney) writes:

> I have a source file that is used to generate several different
> variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
> 
> What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
> not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.

In Emacs and XEmacs use:

	`M-x hide-ifdef-mode RET' 

In Emacs you can also use

	`M-x cpp-highlight-buffer RET'




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Hi,

does anybody know a way to get the topical column displayed in the
modeline?

-- bis spter...
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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Looking for an old version of func-menu
Cc: win-emacs@pearlsoft.com, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 15:37 01/10/96 IST, Amir J. Katz wrote:
>
>Anyway, winemacs is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6 and does not have
>func-menu. When he tried to load the most recent version (that comes
>with XEmacs 19.14), it didn't work, of course.
>
>Do you have an idea where I can get and old copy of func-menu that
>is compatible with 19.6?

The most recent version of func-menu *is* compatible with WinEmacs. 
I know because I use WinEmacs every day (I use a PC, not a UNIX box). 

What you need is a more uptodate version of the backquote.el package 
which func-menu depends on. What I did was to copy the 19.14 backquote.el
*and* backquote.elc (WinEmacs can't compile this file, but it can run the
.elc!) into the WinEmacs load path and load this to overwrite the standard
19.6 backquote.el

You should then find that func-menu works without any modification. I have
quite deliberately maintained func-menu compatability with WinEmacs because
I have a vested interest!

-- David
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DH> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
DH> but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  Tom Christiansen's
article on the topic is widely distributed; you should read it.

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>>>>> "DK" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

DK>  (why the heck
DK> does emacs think it is smarter than the sendmail configurator?),

Message mode handles both mail and news, and while it might not be
smarter than sendmail, it definitely is smarter than an nntp daemon,
especially running on a foreign server.  Keeping the code the same
means one less place to configure.


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>>>>> "GM" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    GM> Does anyone know where I can find an Orbix tolerant C++ mode
    GM> for emacs?  In particular, Orbix has a set of macros it uses
    GM> to emulate exceptions on platforms that do not natively
    GM> support them.  This messes up the indenting with my C++ mode.
    GM> If you do not have a C++ mode already, can you tell me how to
    GM> add keywords so they are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

Most likely, you will have to hack on (at least)
c-beginning-of-statement-1 from cc-mode.el.  There could be lots of
other places to hack on too.  It won't be easy.

-Barry

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrvoje> However, I still do not understand why adaptive-fill-regexp is
Hrvoje> nil, in spie of purecopy that sets it to a value. If fill.el
Hrvoje> is preloaded, shouldn't purecopy assign the value to it?

It does.  But you're forgetting how variables work in Emacs lisp.  The
global value can be shadowed by other bindings.  In this case, cc-mode
makes it buffer-local and sets it to nil:

lisp/modes/cc-mode.el (this function is called from c-mode):
(defun c-common-init ()
  ...
  (make-local-variable 'adaptive-fill-regexp)
  ...
  ;; now set their values
  (setq paragraph-start (if (memq 'new-re c-emacs-features)
  ...
	adaptive-fill-regexp nil)

The fact that adaptive-fill-regexp is initialized by fill.el at dump
time is irrelevant to cc-mode.
-- 
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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: What features does OOBR show?
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I'm learning to use the OO-Browser, and am having difficulty
understanding which C++ class features (attributes and functions) are
shown when you execute `f' (br-features) on a class.

I'm using the OOBR on the ACE toolkit, and it doesn't show all of the
member functions of the `Task<T>' class.  I've experimented with
different signatures to see if it's a regexp problem, but my results
are inconclusive.  I created an environment with `Task.h', `Task.cpp',
and `Task.i'.

Here's some examples from that code (Task<T> in Task.h):

---
  // = Initialization and termination hooks (note that these *must* be
  // defined by subclasses).
  virtual int open (void *args = 0) = 0;
  // Hook called to open a Task.  <args> can be used to pass arbitrary
  // information into <open>.

  virtual int close (u_long flags = 0) = 0;
  // Hook called to close a Task.

  virtual ~ACE_Task (void);	
  // Destructor.

  // = Immediate and deferred processing methods, respectively.
  virtual int put (ACE_Message_Block *, ACE_Time_Value *tv = 0) = 0;
  // Transfer msg into the queue to handle immediate processing. 

  virtual int svc (void);
  // Run by a daemon thread to handle deferred processing.

  // = Active object activation method.
  virtual int activate (long flags = THR_NEW_LWP, 
			int n_threads = 1, 
			int force_active = 0,
			u_int priority = 0,
			int grp_id = -1);
---

The functions, `open', `close', and `put' are listed.  But
`~ACE_Task', `svc', and `activate' are not.

Would someone explain this to me?

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: Brian Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
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Joel F Rising <rising@math.ucsb.edu> writes:
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1

You must compile dynodump with cc under Solaris.  The same problem was
in 19.13, and thankfully I kept install notes from that time...

-- 
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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:41:27 -0400
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Try putting-
(display-column-mode nil)
(line-number-mode nil)
In your .emacs

I find displaying the column mode eats a lot of real-time,
so I have bound it to a key to toggle it, as below:
(define-key global-map [f2] 'display-column-mode)

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: [bug XEmacs-19.14, patch] tex-info + imenu
Date: 01 Oct 1996 11:30:47 -0700
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>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:

CW> 	* tex-info.el (texinfo-mode): Check whether imenu stuff is bound.

CW> BTW, what's about a (re-)merge of package func-menu (in XEmacs) with
CW> imenu (in Emacs): each package has its advantages...

Thanks for the patch.  imenu will be in XEmacs 19.15.  Func-menu is so
good though, it's unclear that all of the functionality of imenu will
be ported.

-- 
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From: jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu (James Tang)
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Subject: auto indent 4 instead of 2
Date: 1 Oct 1996 20:50:13 GMT
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Does anyone know how to set the auto indent to 4 spaces instead of
2 spaces (this is the default) in C and C++ ?

Thanks

-- James


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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Jouvin writes:

Michel> what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
Michel> solve this name...

giacomo>    what happened to your DNS, Michel? ciao :-)

giacomo> % nslookup www.xemacs.org
 ...
giacomo> Non-authoritative answer:

That line means your name server has the information cached and didn't
perform a lookup.  A fairer test would be to perform the DNS lookup on
the primary server for the domain:

$ whois xemacs.org
 ...
   Domain servers in listed order:

   XEMACS.CS.UIUC.EDU           128.174.252.16
   A.CS.UIUC.EDU                128.174.252.1
 ...
$ nslookup
 ...
> server 128.174.252.16
Default Server:  xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu
Address:  128.174.252.16

> www.xemacs.org
Server:  xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu
Address:  128.174.252.16

Name:    www.xemacs.org
Address:  128.174.252.16


It looks O.K. now, but that doesn't preclude something weird going on
earlier.
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hello,

I have tried to install Xemacs 19.14 on a (pentium based) SCO UnixWare machine. The Unix version installed 
in this machine is marked as 'System V 4.2MP 2.1'.

After ftp'ing the source code, I first ran 'configure' without any parameters. 'configure' came up with the 
guess 'i386-univel-sysv4.2MP', which made sense. But, running 'make' consequently has failed, due to an 
attempt to issue a 'ranlib' command, which is not recognized by the machine. Trying to run 'configure' with 
some other variations of the machine-argument did not improve the final result.

If anybody knows how to fix the situation, or already have a compiled version of Xemacs for the UnixWare 
machine, it would be a of a great help to me.

Thank you, 
Eyal.

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        "Re:  problem with LaTeX mode in XEmacs" (Sep 17,  9:25am)
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The problem is that in LaTeX mode in XEmacs, "\%" is parsed incorrectly.
 Technically, "%" means that the all characters following the "%" to the
end-of-line are a comment.  However, "\%" is an escaped command and does not
imply that characters following the "%" are part of a comment.  This command is
intended to print a simple '%' in the ouput.  Does anybody know why XEmacs
parses this incorrectly and if so, how to fix it?


On Sep 17,  9:25am, Greg Jumper wrote:
> Subject: Re:  problem with LaTeX mode in XEmacs
> Joel,
>
> I don't recall seeing any posts in response to your question about this
> matter.  I've also had problems with highlighting when using (unbalanced) "$"
> in LaTeX documents, e.g.,
>
>      please find \$1.00 enclosed
>
> Did you receive any useful answers to your question?
> --
>                                        Thanks,
>
>
>                                        Greg Jumper
>                                        SRI International
>                                        jumper@lens.sri.com
>-- End of excerpt from Greg Jumper



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To: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: www.xemacs.org 
In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Oct 1996 14:08:32 PDT."
             <m2pw32wfxr.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> 
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 17:12:26 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>

    Steven> That line means your name server has the information
    Steven> cached and didn't perform a lookup.  A fairer test would
    Steven> be to perform the DNS lookup on the primary server for the
    Steven> domain:

The university's net connection has been less than stable.  Since the
registered secondary is actually sitting about 15 feet from the
primary, this is not a good thing.  I have an active secondary server
which is off-campus.  I just need to get the change registered.


			-Chuck

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From: Ed Goei <edg@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: tm error with PS attachment
Date: 01 Oct 1996 15:40:23 -0700
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I'm using tm-vm/version "7.54" with VM.  Whenever I get an email with a
postscript attachment in it I get the following error:

    Searching for program: no such file or directory, pstogif

Anyone know how to fix this or where I can get this pstogif program?  I
don't necessarily want to preview the PS, but it would be nice to step
through attachments and extract PS attachments like any other attachments.
Whenever I get this error I just get a blank message and so I then turn off
the tm preview (with M-t), but then it's much harder to extract the PS
attachment.

-- 
Ed Goei
edg@eng.sun.com

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> Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
> write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  [ref csh.whynot]

because you want to edit your .login .logout .cshrc .tcshrc files, perhaps?

I'll know that emacs shell-script-mode does get invoked automatically,
at least for .cshrc...

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From: martin.geil@lmco.com (Martin Geil)
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    When I run Xemacs 19.14 on HP-UX 10.01, and I want to cancel a search,
I hit ctrl-g.  It takes 30 seconds (on a 712/60) to regain control, up to a
minute if the search was unsuccessful!  This is way too long.  Also,
unsuccessful incremental searches simply hang, rather than returning an
error.  What is going on?  Thanks in advance for your help.

Martin Geil
Lockheed Martin Technical Operations
-- 
"The only problem with troubleshooting is that sometimes trouble shoots back."

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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:

Ed> I'm using tm-vm/version "7.54" with VM.  Whenever I get an email with a
Ed> postscript attachment in it I get the following error:

Ed>     Searching for program: no such file or directory, pstogif

Ed> Anyone know how to fix this or where I can get this pstogif program?

This ones got FAQ written all over it[1] :-(, I wonder if we can include
it with 19.15?

pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:

ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/latex2html/latex2html.tar.gz

If there are any better locations, I'd like to know.  An altavista
search on ``pstogif'' is not very useful.

[1]
Now answered in part IV of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsysytems.html#Q4_3_5
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I'm using XEmacs 19.14. It has a very nice HTML-Mode which is able to
insert the HTML tags for  (&auml; etc). Now I write a document with
many danish names and I would like to be able to enter the danish
letters &oslash; &aelig; with Ctrl- and Ctrl-. Does anybody know how I
can configure this?

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha         ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

   () Free speech online
   /\ http://www.eff.org/BlueRibbon/bluehtml.html

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From: "Antonio M. Corbi Bellot" <acorbi@altea.dlsi.ua.es>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: 8 bit chars
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 18:54:33 +0100
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Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).
Does any one know how to make xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented
vocals, circumflexed vocals, etc...)?.

I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't work,
or I don't know how to make it work.


Thanks for your time.
A.Corbi.
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Wanted: An Orbix tolerant C++ mode
Date: 01 Oct 1996 23:27:23 -0600
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In article <32500D4C.237C@cinesoft.com> George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

> Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions
> keywords so they are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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(I asked this before, but got no response.) I use infodock 3.4 (xemacs
19.13). I open a tty frame from under "screen" at home, and then at the
office open an x frame using
  id-eval -q \(make-frame nil \(make-x-device \"$DISPLAY\"\)\)
(id-eval is about the same as gnudoit).

All is fine until I try to delete-frame it, at which point it complains
that there is only one frame. (frame-list) returns the two frames as
expected. Anyone seen this?

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Hi,
I'm using W3 with (setq url-gateway-method 'native).
When there are problems with the url fetching (DNS name resolver not
rsponding, request sent and no reply returns, etc.), the fetch command just
continues waiting. Isn't there a time limit for the connection?
I've traced the fuction calls to XEmacs buildin `open-network-stream', and it
seems that the problem is there.
If there is buildin way to limit connection time, how can I write a time-bomb
procedure which will kill the connection process?
-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Geil <martin.geil@lmco.com> writes:

    Martin>     When I run Xemacs 19.14 on HP-UX 10.01, and I want to
    Martin> cancel a search, I hit ctrl-g.  It takes 30 seconds (on a
    Martin> 712/60) to regain control, up to a minute if the search
    Martin> was unsuccessful!  This is way too long.  Also,
    Martin> unsuccessful incremental searches simply hang, rather than
    Martin> returning an error.  What is going on?  Thanks in advance
    Martin> for your help.

I'd suggest you try the precompiled binary for hpux 9.05 (which I
specifically made so that it runs correctly on both hpux 9.X and 10.X
(10.10 included). Please tell me whether the problem is still there or
not when using this binary kit.

Richard.

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
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There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
submenu.

What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.

Is there anything like this anywhere?

	Karl

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>>>>>"KS" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

 KS> What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
 KS> visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.

Simple version: use the `file-name-history' and menu filters (in XEmacs)
/ ??? (Emacs).

More sophisticated:
  ftp://ftp.uni-passau.de/pub/local/parallel/sources/session.el.gz
(menu stuff only for XEmacs)

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> It does.  But you're forgetting how variables work in Emacs lisp.  The
> global value can be shadowed by other bindings.  In this case, cc-mode
> makes it buffer-local and sets it to nil:

Heh, right. Stupid of me not to see that c-mode has its fingers
there. :)

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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu>
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I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine, but I keep getting
errors about undefined functions.  I'm using linux-2.0.20 and
xemacs-19.14.  Can anyone help me, or point me to another package that I
can use?  I need an ftp program that will allow me to specify ports.

Thanks.
-- 
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From: chr@sgichr.mediascience.no (Christian Nyb)
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At this juncture I'm clueless to lisp, but this solution seems to work:
(Suggestions as to whether newbies should try to help others are welcome.)

Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> is looking for a way to insert html
entities.  My first point is that it is considered legal to use 8-bit
characters in a html document, so you may well use  instead of
typing the entities, as long as you work in windoze or unix (i.e. macs
have non-ascii chars in different places than unix and dos).

If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
want:

 (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
 (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

This is a global change, it is probably better to check out how to do
this internally in your html-mode.



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Subject: Re: Xemacs features in GNUEmacs
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    BT> Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:
    >> I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
    >> provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
    BT> what about the verry nice gdbsrc-mode in xemacs?
    BT> it's much better the  gud or gdb mode for source level debugging.
    BT> bodo

>Hmmm. What is better about it?

>Note: I don't like toolbar-buttons with pictures. I only want text.
>In fact I don't want toolbar buttons at all. If I need a reminder for
>keybindings, pulldown menus will do fine (and take up less space on
>the screen).

i don't use the toolbar at all, but i use the gdb shortcuts in the
source window: t for temp break
	       b for break
	       r for run 
	       p for print value of variable at the cursor ...etc 
and the possibility of switching easily beetween gdbsrc mode
and the normal C-source edit mode.
that means you don't need the gdb-command buffer for steping throug
the source 
another advantage is, that you can not change the source-code by
accident in the source buffer.

i  used the gud and gdb mode of emacs 19.30 for a long time ( more
than a year) but the gdbsrc mode of xemacs is *much* better!

bodo
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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il>
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Subject: W3 and url-be-asynchronous
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Hi,
In W3 the url-be-asynchronous variable is supposed to load urls in
background. what it actually does is screw up the image loading. It either
loads the image into XV (instead of inline), or complains that the image is not
a legal one in some way or another. When this variable is set to nil, images
are loaded correctly.
If on top I use cache, the cached images are zero sized.
I'm using XEmacs 19.13 and (setq url-gateway-method 'native).
Any suggestions?
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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From: "Mohan Gummalam (gult)" <mgummala@syr.edu>
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Subject: Re: Frequently used files
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:11:31 -0400
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I guess you want to take a look at "desktop" feature of emacs.  You can
get more info on it in emacs-info.

Basically you need these three lines in your .emacs
(load "desktop")
(desktop-load-default)
(desktop-read)

You dont need to have a menu submenu.  There is one problem though..
desktop does not automatically load files that have been read using
ange-ftp.

Hope this helps.

Mohan

Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
> where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
> to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
> submenu.
> 
> What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
> visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.
> 
> Is there anything like this anywhere?
> 
>         Karl

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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Nyb <chr@sgichr.mediascience.no> writes:

Christian> If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
Christian> want:

Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

Christian> This is a global change, it is probably better to check out
Christian> how to do this internally in your html-mode.

In psgml mode, use:
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

If you're using hm--html-menus, use:
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

My setup:
(require 'func-menu)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
(define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)
(define-key global-map '(shift button3) 'mouse-function-menu)
(define-key global-map '(meta  button1) 'fume-mouse-function-goto)
(setq-default fume-sort-function nil)

To toggle display of function name in modeline, I use the "Toggle Modeline
Display" option in the "Functions" menu.

> >>>>> "Karl" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:
> 
> Karl> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> Karl> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> Karl> putting in my .emacs:
> Karl> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> David Hughes made a suggestion concerning this to this newsgroup
> recently.
> 
> Remove or comment out the line reading:
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> 
> And add a keybinding like:
> (define-key global-map [(control c) x] 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> 
> so that you can toggle the behavior back on if you need it.
> 
> It works for me.

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From: Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com>
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Subject: XEmacs-19.14 exits when X server for any frame exits
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I start XEmacs on my desk top and then, from a second machine, do:

    $ gnudoit "(make-frame-on-display \"$DISPLAY\")"

to create a frame on a different system.  If that 2nd machine is then
shutdown, or if I just exit the window manager (and the X server) then 
the entire session is shutdown.

Is there any way to avoid this (aside from remembering to delete those
secondary frames before shutdown) ?

One system is hpux9.05; the other is hpux10.20.  Window mgr is vtwm in both cases.

--tony

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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Nyb <chr@sgichr.mediascience.no> writes:

Christian> If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
Christian> want:

Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

Christian> This is a global change, it is probably better to check out
Christian> how to do this internally in your html-mode.

In psgml mode, use:
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

If you're using hm--html-menus, use:
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

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>>>>> "Vladimir" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> In article <32500D4C.237C@cinesoft.com> George Menyhert
> <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

>> Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions keywords so they
>> are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

> Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
> have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.

Would extra semicolons hurt it?

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From: Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch (Mats Weber)
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Subject: Re: 8 bit chars
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>Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).
>Does any one know how to make xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented
>vocals, circumflexed vocals, etc...)?.
>
>I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't work,
>or I don't know how to make it work.

You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.

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From: "Joel F. Rising" <rising@math.ucsb.edu>
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Subject: 19.14 compiles on Solaris, but doesn't install
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:42:20 -0700
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Folks,

I am trying to compile xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.2 with the Sun C pro
compiler 3.0.1 and gcc-2.7.2.  I use cc only to compile dynodump.
I config like this:

config --prefix=/net/share --exec-prefix=/net/local ...

xemacs compiles fine, and if I run it from the source tree directly, it
runs fine.  However, when I install it, it doesn't seem to know where
its lisp files, bitmaps, etc. are.  Using the Solaris "truss" command, I
discovered that:

By default, it looks for its files in whatever directory I am in when I
invoke it. It doesn't seem to look anywhere where its distribution is
for files.  Nevertheless, it tells me:

Consider making a symbolic link from
/net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/etc to wherever the
appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
/net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lisp to wherever the
appropriate XEmacs lisp library is.

which I had already done.  If I set EMACSLOADPATH in the environment, it
still doesn't work.

Any tips or advice?  Thanks!

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In article <tz3ezxme74.fsf@baldy.kla.com> David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> > Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
> > have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.
                                                       ^^^^^
                                              I meant "event"
> Would extra semicolons hurt it?
Exceptions maybe not (an extra null statement thrown in), but response
tables yes. They're inside a class definition/declaration.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <tziv8tuu6a.fsf@uh-oh.divnc.com> Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:

> Is there any way to avoid this (aside from remembering to delete those
> secondary frames before shutdown) ?

It's prudent to always do this, as it is to save-buffers-kill-emacs before
you leave X in a one-display situation.

Unfortunately, I can't even delete-frame (emacs-version "InfoDock 3.4,
XEmacs 19.13") because XEmacs thinks there is only one frame.

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Source can be found on www.xemacs.org

which is:

Name:    www.xemacs.org
Address:  128.174.252.16

Toby
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Joel F Rising <rising@math.ucsb.edu> writes (quoting xemacs):
> Consider making a symbolic link from
> /net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/etc to wherever the
> appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
> /net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lisp to wherever the
> appropriate XEmacs lisp library is.

To get 19.14 (and 19.13) to run in a split generic/arch environment like
we use here, I need to take the following steps:

1. move local/lib to local/lib.old
2. symlink local/lib to share/lib
3. symlink share/lib/xemacs-19.14/ARCH to local/lib.old/xemacs-19.14/ARCH

Of course you may have to go down the local/lib tree a few more more
levels to get a point where you can make the appropriate change.  My
install notes for XEmacs are at the URL below, though I don't seem to
have updated them for 19.14 yet...
  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/ubc/install/xemacs.html>

-- 
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I'm just learning XEmacs lisp.  I've redefined my modeline as below:

(setq-default modeline-buffer-identification nil)
;; the modeline is filling up - cut down displayed information
(setq modeline-click-swaps-buffers t)
(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1+"))
(setq-default modeline-format
  '("Buffer %b" modeline-modified " "
  " " global-mode-string modeline-buffer-identification
  "    At line %l, column %c"))

Now I'd like to have some parts displayed in different faces, but when I change
the "Buffer %b" to ((find-face 'blue) . "Buffer %b"), the buffer name is not
even displayed, let alone in blue.  And yet

(facep (find-face 'blue))

evaluates to "t".  From the documentation of the variable modeline-format:


Documentation:
Template for displaying modeline for current buffer.
Each buffer has its own value of this variable.
Value may be a string, a symbol or a list or cons cell.
*** For a list whose car is a face, the cdr of the list is processed
*** normally but the results will be displayed using the face in the car.


So I seem to be following the instructions for modeline-format, but I'm not
getting the expected results.  Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of
lists or faces or something?  I'm trying to figure this out myself, but neither
the online info nor the printed docs contain any examples or help on tricks
like this.  An help from an XEmacs guru would be deeply appreciated . . .

Thanks,

Joel.

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From: Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu>
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Is there an SML (Standard ML of New Jersey) mode for XEmacs?

  -- Kent

-- 
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>>>>> "Kent" == Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu> writes:

    Kent> Is there an SML (Standard ML of New Jersey) mode for
    Kent> XEmacs?  -- Kent

There is one for GNU Emacs .. I used it extensively this spring
when I had to do a lot of ML coding. It was pretty nice, could
interpret from within the sml mode .. I picked it up from the
web, searched altavista. 

-Sailesh

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Func-menu and the modeline display
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Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).

I want to thank you all for great help. I actually found the problem the
other day. I found that my latex-hooks where run through twice when
opening a .tex-file. First when emacs found it was a .tex, and second
when it got to the "%%% mode: latex" line at the end. 

	Karl
Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
> 
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
> 
>         Karl

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il>
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:

    >> Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
    >> write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  [ref csh.whynot]

    Mark> because you want to edit your .login .logout .cshrc .tcshrc files,
    Mark> perhaps?

    Mark> I'll know that emacs shell-script-mode does get invoked
    Mark> automatically, at least for .cshrc...

    C-Shell mode for is available, and the package is called csh-mode2.el.
    Can't tell you where I've got it from (it's no secret, I just can't
    remember).
    To enter csh-mode automatically when aditing c-shell scripts use in your
    .emacs:

    (nconc interpreter-mode-alist
       '(("csh" . csh-mode)
         ("tcsh" . csh-mode)
         ))

    Note that the file being edited should start with `#!' and contain csh or
    tcsh in it's first line.
    Something like:
    #! /bin/csh
    #! /usr/local/bin/tcsh


-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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>>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:

    >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
    >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
    >> etc...)?.
    >> 
    >> I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't
    >> work, or I don't know how to make it work.

    Mats> You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.

    Yes, but how do I edit with those chars?
    How do I insert them into my text?


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From: Carl Michael Skoog <cms@abalon.se>
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Subject: Re: dynodump or dlopen holds up install?
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Joel F. Rising wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I am trying to compile xemacs with gcc-2.7.2 under Solaris 2.5, and
> with most of the goodies supported, but right when temacs goes to
> create the xemacs executable, I get this message:
> 
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/src/stage/xemacs-19.14/src'
> make: *** [src] Error 2
> 
> Can anyone give me any advice?  Thanks!

Link dynodump/dynodump.so with the '-shared' option instead of -G (as in
the Makefile).
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Holger Franz (hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de) wrote:
> >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>  Hrvoje> I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a
>  Hrvoje> "normal" behaviour, until the tty optimizations are
>  Hrvoje> implemented. Anyone?
> It is 'blink-cursor-mode' and can be toggled by that command.

It has nothing to do with blink-cursor-mode. BTW, that mode seems
quite brain-damaged on tty-s (now that I have tried it).

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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:
> 
>     >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
>     >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
>     >> etc...)?.
>     >> 
>     >> I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't
>     >> work, or I don't know how to make it work.
> 
>     Mats> You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.
> 
>     Yes, but how do I edit with those chars?
>     How do I insert them into my text?
> 
> 

I have in my .emacs file:

   (load "x-compose")
   (global-set-key [(multi_key)] 'compose-key )  

Hans

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From: David Hamilton <dahamilt@strata.com>
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Per question 3.1.6 of the FAQ, I tried to display the current file or
directory
using the following in my .emacs files:

(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory
"%b"))))

Unfortunately, when visiting a dired directory buffer, only "emacs:" is
displayed. Can anyone tell me how to get this to work?

Dave
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I noticed a couple of things in the xemacs tcl mode which were a lot
different than the way emac did them.  I've checked the faq and not
found any info for fixing them.

I can't send my emacs buffer to a tcl-process like in emacs.  Is there a
way to get around this??

When I start a tcl process, it starts the process in my current frame.
Emacs split the frame into two and put the tcl process in the lower
one.  Is there any way to get xemacs to do this??

I love the syntax highlighting, but if I can't resolve the two above
issues, I think I'll go back to emacs.

Any help?

Thanks,

Kevin

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I just got my Sun workstation upgraded from SunOS 4.1.3 to Solaris CDE
version 1.0.2. Now, when I invoke xemacs version 19.13, I get the
following error in a *Warnings* split-window when I press the "open"
button to open a file:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

Does anyone have any ideas on what is causing this, and what a solution
might be?

Thanks. Please respond to me directly via email to the address below.

Pat
________________________________________________________________________
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>> On 28 Sep 1996 17:48:57 +0200,
>> Jens Claussen(JC) wrote:

JC> You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
JC> workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".

JC> Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
JC> option. 

Yes, it does. Or rather, browse-url.el, the responsible package,
does. Setting this variable 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
browse-url-netscape-arguments's value is nil
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*A list of strings to pass to Netscape as arguments.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

to something  like

	(setq browse-url-netscape-arguments '("noraise"))

should work (note the value is a list of strings). If it doesn't it
should be reported to the browse-url package author.

-- 
  -mb-

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Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
while running a shell command while still letting me edit?

I'm currently using FSF Emacs (which can't, as of 19.31).  This feature alone 
would give me reason to switch.

Any comments on the likelihood of the feature being added to an emacs any 
time soon?

pjm.

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From: Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> [Emailed and posted]
> 
> >>>>> "Goran" == Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:
> 
> Goran> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within
> Goran> xemacs-19.13 it works fine.
> 
> Goran> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.
> 
> Goran> (load-library "autoinsert")
> Goran> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> Goran> (setq auto-insert-alist
> Goran>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> Goran>         ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> Goran>         ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> Goran>         ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> Goran>         ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> Goran>         ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> Goran>         ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Did changing the $ to \\' work for you?  Also, what platform and OS
> are you running with, and what compiler and compiler options did you
> use to build XEmacs?
> 
> BTW the [Mm]akefile line is imprecise.  You should also include a
> termination test with \\' or $ there as well, otherwise you will get
> a false match from a filename like `/usr/src/MakefileMaker-2.3/main.c'.
> --
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
> What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
> Coincidence?  I think not.

My work-around looks like this. It works either way with \\' or $.
The two conditions differ in applying one of the following statements.

(load-library "autoinsert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks ww'auto-insert)

I'm running SunOs. Unfortunately, I don't know which compiler options
were used.

Regards,

Gran

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; Autoinsert
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
(cond ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
	    (>= emacs-major-version 19)
	    (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
       ;;
       ;; Code requiring XEmacs version 19.12 or newer goes here
       ;;
       (load-library "autoinsert")
	;(add-hook 'find-file-hooks ww'auto-insert)
       (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name
"~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
       (setq auto-insert-alist 
	     '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	       ("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	       ("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	       ("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	       ("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")))
       ))

(cond ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
	    (>= emacs-major-version 19)
	    (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
       ;;
       ;; Code requiring XEmacs version 19.14 or newer goes here
       ;;
	;(load-library "autoinsert")
       (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)
       (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name
"~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
       (setq auto-insert-alist 
	     '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	       ("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	       ("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	       ("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	       ("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")))
       ))

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From: Aleksandar Milivojevic <alex@srce.hr>
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 dumps core on ultrix 4.3
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I compiled xemacs 19.14 on machine running ultrix 4.3. It compiled
almost out-of-the-box (I had to add option "-G 0"). I compiled it with
make CFLAGS='-g -G 0'. Compiler is gcc version 2.7.2.

Anyway, here is what xemacs prints after I try to start it, and what
gdb found in core file...


regoc$ ./src/xemacs 

Fatal error (11).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /usr/users/alex/mirror/temp/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

regoc$ gdb ./src/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (mips-dec-ultrix4.3), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x70b5e8 in kill () at ../kill.s:18
../kill.s:18: No such file or directory.
(gdb) where
#0  0x70b5e8 in kill () at ../kill.s:18
#1  0x444190 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  0x444178 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:170
#3  <signal handler called>
#4  0x5aeff4 in _free_internal (ptr=0x5393c4) at gmalloc.c:906
#5  0x5af2f0 in free (ptr=0x5393c4) at gmalloc.c:954
#6  0x6a329c in XtFree () at Alloc.c:222
#7  0x682b7c in TopLevelSetValues () at Shell.c:2254
#8  0x67bda0 in CallSetValues () at SetValues.c:93
#9  0x67bce8 in CallSetValues () at SetValues.c:84
#10 0x67c3b0 in XtSetValues () at SetValues.c:211
#11 0x69a994 in XtVaSetValues () at VarCreate.c:229
#12 0x56d4d0 in x_wm_set_variable_size (wmshell=0x101cd610, width=10, 
    height=10) at frame-x.c:247
#13 0x5b220c in EmacsFrameSetCharSize (widget=0x10262010, columns=10, rows=10)
    at EmacsFrame.c:575
#14 0x572bc0 in x_set_frame_size (f=0x1019a500, cols=10, rows=10)
    at frame-x.c:1881
#15 0x4a8b10 in internal_set_frame_size (f=0x1019a500, cols=10, rows=10, 
    pretend=0) at frame.c:2465
#16 0x4a8df4 in Fset_frame_size (frame=270116096, cols=10, rows=10, 
    pretend=269717508) at frame.c:2516
#17 0x483114 in update_EmacsFrame (frame=270116096, name=269817108)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at faces.c:1668
#18 0x4834d8 in update_frame_face_values (f=0x1019a500) at faces.c:1715
#19 0x5721cc in x_init_frame_2 (f=0x1019a500, props=269717508)
    at frame-x.c:1713
#20 0x4a25ec in Fmake_frame (props=269717508, device=270477824) at frame.c:495
#21 0x44e988 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x4a1f4c <Fmake_frame>, nargs=2, 
    args=0x7fffb48c) at eval.c:3486
#22 0x44f004 in funcall_subr (subr=0x1001fab0, args=0x7fffb48c) at eval.c:3526
#23 0x44d97c in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=269815324, nargs=2, 
    args=0x7fffb488) at eval.c:3207
#24 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0x7fffb488) at eval.c:3253
#25 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805601324, vector=1074036848, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#26 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=268730552, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb5f4)
    at eval.c:3636
#27 0x44d9e4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270253500, nargs=0, 
    args=0x7fffb5f0) at eval.c:3210
#28 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0x7fffb5f0) at eval.c:3253
#29 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805883340, vector=1074318912, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#30 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=269012740, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb754)
    at eval.c:3636
#31 0x44d9e4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270535260, nargs=0, 
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    args=0x7fffb750) at eval.c:3210
#32 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0x7fffb750) at eval.c:3253
#33 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805882080, vector=1074317616, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#34 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=269011552, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb830)
    at eval.c:3636
#35 0x44f1a0 in apply_lambda (fun=269011552, numargs=0, 
    unevalled_args=269717508) at eval.c:3559
#36 0x44d2e8 in Feval (form=538711012) at eval.c:3068
#37 0x449c60 in condition_case_1 (handlers=269717604, bfun=0x44c898 <Feval>, 
    barg=538711012, hfun=0x420404 <cmd_error>, harg=269717508) at eval.c:1672
#38 0x42050c in top_level_1 (dummy=269717508) at cmdloop.c:194
#39 0x44960c in internal_catch (tag=269794724, func=0x4204ac <top_level_1>, 
    arg=269717508, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#40 0x420678 in initial_command_loop (load_me=269717508) at cmdloop.c:253
#41 0x445624 in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0x7fffbda4, envp=0x7fffbdac)
    at emacs.c:1317
#42 0x445eb8 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffbda4, envp=0x7fffbdac) at emacs.c:1461
Current language:  auto; currently asm
(gdb) 

-- 
Aleksandar Milivojevic                        http://jagor.srce.hr/~alex/
                           e-mail: alex@srce.hr
================================ooooO=Ooooo==============================
        "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important
         operating system, and possibly program, of all time."
                   -- Bill Gates, OS/2 Programmer's Guide foreward, 1987

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Hi Steven,

> pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:
> 
> ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/latex2html/latex2html.tar.gz
> 
> If there are any better locations, I'd like to know.  An altavista
> search on ``pstogif'' is not very useful.

latex2html is best found at the CTAN hosts and their mirrors
in "tex-archive/support/latex2html"

CTAN hosts are

ftp.tex.ac.uk
ftp.dante.de

their is a good mirror at ftp.cdrom.com apparently.

As to searching. Good old archie als gets some matches on ps2gif

Jan



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| 27.9.96, Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
| 
| >>>>> "DH" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:
| 
| DH> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
| DH> but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?
| 
| Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
| write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  Tom Christiansen's
| article on the topic is widely distributed; you should read it.

In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
language one uses. I've written solely in csh for years and never 
encountered the problems Tom mentions about in his article.

Nowadays any more complicated task is programmed in Perl, that's
why the use of shell language doesn't matter much. IMHO.

But it's good to know the csh limitations, or advantages (that's why I
use it, it has nice :e :h etc. modifiers for variables.)

Cheers!
/jari
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From: gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor)
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Subject: "file locked" problem in 19.14
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I'm not quite sure how to define the problem so I describe the context
in which it occurs.

XEmacs is running on unix box console. All out-going mail includes an
"FCC: sentmail" parameter so that each email is saved in file
"sentmail".  Occassionally when reading mail with rmail (on console) I
access the sentmail file also with the "i" command.

The problem occurs when I logon to the console from remote tty.  When
XEmacs is fired up as tty and I try to send email, the mini-buffer
reports that the sentmail file is locked and offers several options to
deal with this.  There is no way however to activate any of the
options since the cursor is never moved to minibuffer.  Also it
appears that the sentmail file is locked despite the fact that the
file has been saved from the console.  This problem never occurred
using 19.13.

Env: Sol2.5, SS10 and tty (remote), XEmacs-19.14, mail and rmail.

Any insights/fixes would be appreciated.  If I stated problem poorly
and more info required would be happy to provide.

Andy

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From: Andrew Godfrey <godfrey@amadeus.aerosoft.vt.edu>
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For purposes of text highlighting in a C file, can I make xemacs
recognize that \*/ is the end of a comment. The problem
is that everything after /*\ is colored as a comment (purple in my
case).

	/*\
		This is a comment.
	\*/

	printf("But this is colored purple in xemacs.\n");
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From: ritalui@isaac.raleigh.ibm.com (Rita Lui)
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Hi,

I put the following in my .emacs file

   (display-column-mode)

to show the current line/column number on the modeline. 
But, both the line and column number start from 0
instead of 1. 

If I comment out the above line in my .emacs and put 
the following instead, 

   (setq line-number-mode t)

the line number starts from 1 (and of course there
is no column number there). Why? 

I want to see both line and column number in the
modeline. How do I set the starting line/column
number to 1 and not 0?

Thanks very much.

Rita
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From: Andrew DeFaria <defaria@cup.hp.com>
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Sumit Das wrote:
> 
> Hi netters
> 
> I am running CDE 1.0.2 on a SUN workstation running Solaris
> 2.5. I am running XEMACS 19.14 and have set my .emacs file such
> that when I click on a URL from either GNUS or mail reader it
> opens the URL in the Netscape process that is already running on
> my m/c.
> 
> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).
> 
> This is true with other applications too. SO I think I am
> missing out something in CDE and hence I am posting this to both
> the CDE and XEMACS newsgroups.

Back in the days of VUE (whence CDE mostly hailed from) there was a
resource that directed, at least some of this behaviour. The name
escapes me now. Perhaps a through reading of the man page or online help
looking for Resources might yield the name.

Anyway, this resource had I believe two settings.... err... Oh yeah it
was absentMapBehaviour. The settings were something like Move or Add. I
believe the default is Add which explains your current behaviour, the
window that was called to raise itself is added to the current
workspace. One easier way out of this is to use Alt-Shift-F4 which was
defined as Remove from Workspace. If this was the only workspace that
this application was in it would do nothing. (Better than attempted to
quickly switch workspaces). 

The move setting says to move the application from its original
workspace to the current workspace. If you can tolerate the idea of
"Netscape follows you around" then this is the option for you.

I had originally requested this functionality during Vue alpha testing
because my style of emacs usage is every file has it's own window. Thus
when I visited a buffer that was already sitting in another workspace as
an icon it merely got normalized and the immediate reaction from me was
that that request failed (after all I never saw the window come up). I
am also curious as to why you would want to have Netscape in another
workspace change pages on you? This requires that you need to switch
over to that workspace to read any of the information. My needs are
usually that by far I would want to see the web page here, in this
workspace where I'm working than to have to switch off to another
workspace, read the material and switch back. Instead I use Add and read
the material then Alt-Shift-F4 to remove the window from this workspace
(and only if it is bothering me because the chances are that you might
do that same operation again).

Another trick that I constantly find useful is to start up certain apps
such that they are in all workspaces, however then iconified they "hide"
*under* the FrontPanel. This way all I need to so is iconify the window.
Usually I have defined a FrontPanel control button to access this
application. For exmaple, under my FrontPanel are my mailer (Netscape),
my Console (A single local window that receives Console output), my
Audio Control Panel, etc.
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From: Richard Goldstein <rickg@Eng.Sun.COM>
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I've migrated to xemacs 19.14 recently from GNU, and 
one thing that bugs the %$&^ out of me is that dbx/gud
mode beeps and complains that the Mark isn't set right
every time I hit return to execute a dbx command.  Is
there a way around this, or is someone trying to annoy
me into using eos/workshop mode?  Thx,

rick


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Never mind, I restarted Xemacs, and it is working as advertised.
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>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

 >>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

 Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

 Steven> Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

 Steven> (setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape) (setq
 Steven> browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

The original question was w.r.t VM, and the above variable isn't consulted
by VM - instead, it directly hard-codes the arguments it passes to netscape
(see vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape in vm-mouse.el):

    (or (equal 0 (vm-run-command vm-netscape-program "-remote" 
                                 (concat "openURL(" url
                                         (if new-window ", new-window" "")
                                         ")")))

I wanted to add a "-noraise" option, so I redefined the above function and
added it directly by hand...

-- 
    --- John.

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>> "Sumit" == Sumit Das <sumit@kural.uncg.edu> writes:

 Sumit> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
 Sumit> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
 Sumit> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I now
 Sumit> have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing with
 Sumit> the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help in any
 Sumit> way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So that the URL
 Sumit> opens and the netscape window does not occupy my XEMACS workspace
 Sumit> too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

If you're experiencing this problem when using VM, try adding this to your
.emacs:

(defun vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape (url &optional new-netscape new-window)
  (vm-unsaved-message "Sending URL to Netscape...")
  (if new-netscape
      (vm-run-background-command vm-netscape-program url)
    (or (equal 0 (vm-run-command vm-netscape-program "-noraise" "-remote"
                                 (concat "openURL(" url
                                         (if new-window ", new-window" "")
                                         ")")))
        (vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape url t new-window)))
  (vm-unsaved-message "Sending URL to Netscape... done"))


-- 
    --- John.

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The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
won't allow me to subscribe.

Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

Is anyone even using it?

Thanks.

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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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I am doing a Newspaper Article in English Class on the Mac Vs. Pc Argument. Please Email me about it at dreamer@crosslink.net and please include as many facts as possible.  If my article is good
enough then it might actually be put the News Paper.


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>>>>> On 01 Oct 1996 13:48:22 +0200, Per Abrahamsen said:
> johnmac@hpqs0215.sqf.hp.com (John Macartney) writes:
>> I have a source file that is used to generate several different
>> variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
>> What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
>> not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.


Where can I find this hide-ifdef package?


-- 
Justin Gordon                   Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com						595 Market Street, #3000 
phone: 415.267.1287							San Francisco, CA 94105 

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Any possibility that this exists?  Help - too many frsjdkfing windows.
-- 
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From: Jan Rychter <jwr@icm.edu.pl>
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I'm trying to compile 19.14 on a Linux/SPARC host and here's what I get:

EMACSLOADPATH="/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
WDISP30: f91d48a0: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d48d8: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d48e8: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d480c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4920: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4948: 0x40000000
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
WDISP30: f91d4a4c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4a50: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4a88: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4b24: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4b38: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4e80: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4e90: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4eac: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4ec0: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4f68: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4fc4: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4fd4: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4ffc: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4f0c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d403c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d404c: 0x40000000
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 10 ''
WDISP30: f91d4074: 0x40000000
[...] this goes on and on.

Any hints/suggestions ? I've solved all the obvious problems that arose
(compiling w/ socks5 support, png, X libs, etc). Now, however, I'm
stuck.

--Jan.

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Dear Rita,

here is my .emacs for Xemacs 19.14 and at the end the elisp file rb.el
which I place in ~/elisp and which contains a modeline customization
with column number starting at 1 and also the display of the total 
number of lines in the buffer.
There are a few more useful functions. In case you use Emacs, you have 
to change redraw-modeline to force-mode-line-update.

This should help you.
Greetings,

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
Nonlinear dynamics and
Stochastic processes
5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch


;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings

; General settings:
(setq inhibit-startup-message t)
; Enable several backup files:
(setq version-control t)
; Enable auto-wrap for some modes:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
; Set auto-line-wrap at 72:
(setq-default fill-column 72)
; Set tab at 6th column:
(setq-default tab-width 6)

;; "Visual" improvements:

; Change the shape of the pointer in the window both on text and on blanks.
; Default is "xterm"; also availale
; dot, sb_h(or v)_double_arrow, sb_up(down)_arrow, left(right)_ptr, 
; watch, cross, and many more:
(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph "left_ptr")
(set-glyph-image nontext-pointer-glyph "cross")

; Change icon glyph
(set-glyph-image frame-icon-glyph "/home/pss025/lus/badii/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/cthomp.xpm")

; Force display of line/column number (column-number-mode 1) also works
; but doesn't allow full modeline customization as made, e.g., in rb.el:
(line-number-mode 1)                   

; Set colours for second entry in modeline to be the same as for minor-mode:
(set-extent-face modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)

; Associate additional file extensions to various modes:
(setq auto-mode-alist
	(append '(("\\.bashrc$"  . ksh-mode)
		    ("\\.xinitrc$" . ksh-mode))
		  auto-mode-alist))
; Don't let the pointer stay at end of line when moving vertically:
(setq track-eol nil)
; Prevent down-arrow-key from adding blank lines at the bottom of the text:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)
; Set scrolling to one line only:
(setq-default scroll-step 1)
(setq scroll-step 1)
; Simplify yes-no questions:
(fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p)
; Minibuffer resizing
(autoload 'resize-minibuffer-mode "rsz-minibuf" nil t)
(resize-minibuffer-mode)
(setq resize-minibuffer-window-exactly nil)

; Unset annoying key bindings: 
; C-x f, which sets the line-wrap column to the present position,
(global-unset-key "\C-xf")
; M-k, which deletes a sentence,
(global-unset-key "\M-k")
; C-j, which performs mode-specific indenting operations (remains active
; in TeX-mode, however, despite the local-unset-key: see rb-LaTeX-setup)
(global-unset-key "\C-j")
(local-unset-key "\C-j")

;;;; Console-type dependent definitions
(if (eq (console-type) 'x)
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; X-window
    (blink-cursor-mode t))                             ; Blinking cursor
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; tty console
    (blink-cursor-mode 0))                             ; Non-blinking cursor
)

;;;; Loading libraries and require statements:

;; Definition of a personal elisp directory:

(defconst rb-elisp-path-root (expand-file-name "~/elisp"))
(defconst rb-auctex-path-root (expand-file-name "~/auctex-9.4g"))

; added only if not member of load-path already.
  (if (null (member rb-elisp-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-elisp-path-root load-path)))
  (if (null (member rb-auctex-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-auctex-path-root load-path)))

(require 'cl)     ; Common Lisp extensions (.../lisp/cl/cl.el)
(require 'tinycb) ; J. Aalto's circulate buffers utility
(load "rb")       ; Personal library

;;;; Key bindings

;; Delete-backspace:

(keyboard-translate 'delete     'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace  'delete)
;; Hence:
;; <backspace>=DEL (view lossage), performs backward-delete-char-untabify;
;; <delete>=deletechar,            performs delete-char.
;; Later, refer to <delete> as "deletechar" and to <backspace> as "delete", 
;; as, e.g., in (global-set-key '[(control) (delete)] 'something).
;
; The following line, though, has no effect!
; (global-set-key '(delete) 'delete-backward-char)
;
; None of the above works in tty.
; Alternative working in x-windows: (load "delbackspace")
;; End Delete-backspace

;; F-key bindings:

;; F1 goes to the beginning of the next line
(global-set-key 'f1 'forward-line)
;; Shift-F1 goes to the end of the next line
(global-set-key '(shift f1) 'rb-end-next-line)
;; Ctrl-F1 executes goto-line
(global-set-key '(control f1) 'goto-line)
;; F2 cuts marked region
(global-set-key 'f2 'kill-region)
;; F3 copies marked region to kill-ring
(global-set-key 'f3 'kill-ring-save)
;; F4 pastes region
(global-set-key 'f4 'yank)
;; Shift-F4 pastes older kills
(global-set-key '(shift f4) 'yank-pop)
;; F5 sets the mark
(global-set-key 'f5 'rb-set-mark)
;; Shift F5 unmarks the region
(global-set-key '(shift f5) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F6 marks a line
(global-set-key 'f6 'rb-mark-line)
;; Shift F6 unmarks the region
(global-set-key '(shift f6) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F7 `Delete-line'
(global-set-key 'f7 'rb-delete-line)
;; Shift F7 `undo'
(global-set-key '(shift f7) 'undo)
;; F8 `delete-to-end-of-line'
(global-set-key 'f8 'kill-line)
;; F9 `open-line'
(global-set-key 'f9 'rb-open-line)
;; Shift F9 opens line before the current one
(global-set-key '(shift f9) 'rb-open-up-line)
;; Control F9 'duplicate-line'
(global-set-key '(control f9) 'rb-dup-line)
;; F10 `save-buffer'
(global-set-key 'f10 'save-buffer)
(global-set-key '(shift f10) 'save-some-buffer)
;; F11 repeats search forward
(global-set-key 'f11 'isearch-repeat-forward)
(global-set-key '(shift f11) 'word-search-forward)
;; F12 repeats search backward
(global-set-key 'f12 'isearch-repeat-backward)
(global-set-key '(shift f12) 'word-search-backward)

;; Control-key bindings:

(global-set-key '(control b)       'rb-show-buffers)
(global-set-key '(control e)       'rb-save-and-quit)
(global-set-key '(control f)       'rb-flip)
(global-set-key '(control j)       'rb-join-line)
(global-set-key '(control n)       'ticb-next-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control o)       'find-file)
(global-set-key '(control p)       'ticb-previous-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control q)       'rb-kill-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control w)       'write-file)
(global-set-key '(control left)    'rb-back-word)
(global-set-key '(control right)   'rb-for-word)

;; Meta-key bindings:

(global-set-key '(meta r)          'query-replace)
(global-set-key '(meta left)       'beginning-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta right)      'end-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta down)       'scroll-up)
(global-set-key '(meta up)         'scroll-down)
(global-set-key '(meta -)          'rb-k-back-word)
(global-set-key '(meta =)          'rb-k-for-word)

;; Other key bindings:

(global-set-key '(up)              'rb-mrkl-up)
(global-set-key '(down)            'rb-mrkl-down)
(global-set-key '(home)            'rb-home-key)
(global-set-key '(end)             'rb-end-key)
(global-set-key '(prior)           'rb-page-up)
(global-set-key '(next)            'rb-page-down)

(global-set-key '(control next)    'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control prior)   'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control meta d)  'rb-dos-to-unix)

;;;; TeX-related definitions

; Auctex-Library initialization:
; The latest (26 June 1996) tex-site.el is in both
; /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/ and
; /usr/local/src/auctex-9.4g/ ; the .elc file is in 
; /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/auctex.

(require  'tex-site)
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook   'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'rb-LaTeX-setup)

(defun rb-LaTeX-setup ()
  "Customization for LaTeX"
  (LaTeX-math-mode)
  (setq fill-column 76)
  (local-set-key '(control j) 'rb-join-line)
  )
(setq LaTeX-math-list '(
  (?e "varepsilon" "greek") ; Added to the greek menu
  (?w "omega " "greek")     ; blank to distinguish from existing `o = omega
                            ; Personal additions in menu rb:
  (?_ "emptyset" "rb")      ; redefined from default `0 in Misc Symbol
  (?0 "ldots" "rb")         ; default was not assigned
                            ; Not assignable to a menu:
  (?1 rb-bf)
  (?2 rb-it)
  (?3 rb-ref)
  (?4 rb-cite)
  (?5 rb-subscr)
  (?6 rb-supscr)
  (?7 "to")
  (?8 rb-limit)
  (?9 "sum")
))

;;;; Lisp-related definitions

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'rb-lisp-setup)

(defun rb-lisp-setup ()
  "Customization for Lisp"
; temporary:
(global-set-key '(meta a)       'rb-find-tag-1)
(global-set-key '(meta b)       'rb-find-tag-2)
)

(setq minibuffer-max-depth nil)

;;; End of .emacs


;;; rb.el follows:

;;;; Personal function/variable/constant definitions by R. Badii (rb-)
;;
;; Invaluable help has been received in several forms (either direct or 
;; indirect as, e.g., via the (X)emacs newsgroups) by several people, among
;; whom I wish to thank particularly the following: 
;; Jari Aalto, Stephen Eglen, Kai Grossjohann, Jens Emmerich, Andreas Schwab, 
;; Andy Norman, Chris Madsen, Chris Ryder, Gary Dezern, Uri Blumenthal.
;;

; Modeline customization (see modeline.el for defaults): 

(defvar rb-mode-line-count nil
   "Total number of lines in the buffer converted to a formatted string.")

(defvar rb-cols-plus-one nil
   "Column number plus one (i.e., the column at which the cursor appears), 
converted to a formatted string.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-mode-line-count)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-cols-plus-one)

(defun rb-mode-line-count ()
  "Returns the total number of lines in the current buffer and 
the current column, starting at column 1, into strings stored in 
the variables rb-mode-line-count and rb-cols-plus-one, respectively,
suitable for display in the modeline."
  (if line-number-mode
	(progn
	  (setq rb-mode-line-count (format "/%i " (count-lines 1 (point-max)))
		  rb-cols-plus-one (format "Column: %i" (+ (current-column) 1)))
	  (redraw-modeline))))

; Add function mode-line-count to post-command-hook:
 (or (memq 'rb-mode-line-count post-command-hook)
     (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rb-mode-line-count))

(defconst modeline-modified (purecopy '(" %1*%1+ "))
  "Modeline control for displaying whether current buffer is modified.")

(defconst modeline-prev-buf (char-to-string 174)
  "Modeline mousable symbol for switching to the previous buffer: e.g.,
character 174 yields the registered-trade-mark symbol.")

(defconst modeline-buffer-identification
  (list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-prev-buf)
	(cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " %14b")))
  "Modeline control for identifying the buffer being displayed.
When the mouse pointer is on the symbol preceding the buffer name, 
button 2 switches to the previous buffer; when on the buffer name, 
it switches to the next one. Major modes that edit objects other than 
ordinary files (e.g., Info, Dired, ...) may change this format.")

; The following is the format of the modeline:

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    (list ""
			  'modeline-buffer-identification ": "))
		    (purecopy "")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy "%[")        ; spaces and "(" after %[ removed
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist " "))
		    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy "%]")        ; removed ")" before %]
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "   Line: %l"))
		    (purecopy 'rb-mode-line-count)
		    (purecopy 'rb-cols-plus-one)
		    (purecopy " ")         ; blank inserted
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy "                            ")))
; The final blanks prevent the mouse pointer from triggering the
; "toggle-read-only" function (caused by make-modeline-wrapper).
; Excess blanks are ignored.

; End of modeline customization

; Constants:

(defconst rb-word-chars  "a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters constituting a word.")

(defconst rb-nonw-eol  "^a-zA-Z0-9\n"
   "Set of characters neither in rb-word-chars, nor eol.")

(defconst rb-nonword  "^a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters not in rb-word-chars.")

(defconst rb-blank-tab  " \t"
   "Set containing blank and tab.")

; TAGS: they enable viewing function definitions via the command
; Meta-. function-name. Implementation: 
; 1) Create a file ETAGS with a script containing the lines
;      tagsfile=/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS
;      xlisp=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
;      etags `find $xlisp -name '*.el' -print` -o $tagsfile
; 2) In order to have only a few files, improve the above by restricting
;    the choice (possibly writing their names to a file);
; 3) Include the present file rb.el in the list as well.
; 4) Include the following two commands in .emacs
;    (setq tag-table-alist
;          '(("\\.el$" . "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")))
;    (visit-tags-table "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")
;
; Temporary solution (see functions rb-find-tag-n below and 
;                     corresponding key bindings in .emacs):

(defconst rb-tags-file1
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/simple.el"))

(defconst rb-tags-file2
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/files.el"))

;;;; Variables:

(defvar rb-mark-line-p nil 
  "Flag used by rb-mrkl-down and -up to handle region extensions. Set to nil
by rb-set-mark and to true by rb-mark-line.")

;;;; Functions:

(defun rb-find-tag-1 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file1."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file1))

(defun rb-find-tag-2 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file2."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file2))

(defun rb-show-buffers ()
  "Show buffer menu in a popup window"
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(defun rb-save-and-quit ()
  "Saves and quits the current buffer"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-buffer)
  (kill-buffer nil))

(defun rb-kill-buffer ()
  "Quits the current buffer without asking for confirmation if not modified."
  (interactive)                     ; The asterisk is missing to prevent
  (if (eq buffer-read-only t)       ; an error message if buffer is read-only
	(kill-buffer nil)             ; If read-only, just quit,
    (if (not (buffer-modified-p))   ; else, if not modified
	  (rb-save-and-quit)          ; save and quit or, if modified,
	(kill-buffer nil)))           ; quit (with explicit confirmation,
  )                                 ; as of command kill-buffer.

(defun rb-delete-line ()
  "Deletes the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (eolp)          ; If beginning of line and eol coincide
	(kill-line)     ; just kill-line
    (progn            ; otherwise, the line is not blank and one more
	(kill-line)     ; line and a character must be deleted.
	(delete-char 1))))

(defun rb-dup-line ()
  "Duplicates the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (insert
      (buffer-substring (point)
                        (save-excursion
                          (forward-line 1)
                          (point))))))

(defun rb-join-line ()
  "Joins current and next line adding a space at the junction"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (delete-char 1) 
  (fixup-whitespace))

(defun rb-open-line ()
  "Opens a new line from any position in the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (newline))

(defun rb-open-up-line ()
  "Opens a new line before the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (not (bobp))
	(progn
	  (forward-line -1)
	  (end-of-line)
	  (newline)
	  )
    (newline)))

(defun rb-end-next-line ()
  "Goes to the end of the next line extending the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-home-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at bol, it goes to bol; otherwise it goes to the 
beginning of the previous line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))
	(if (bolp)
	    (forward-line -1)
	  (beginning-of-line))))

(defun rb-end-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at eol, it goes to eol; otherwise it goes to the
end of the next line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))
	(if (eolp)
	    (progn
		(forward-line)
		(end-of-line))
	  (end-of-line))))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the cursor down window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line wdh)))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line (- wdh))))

(defun rb-wrap-para ()
  "Wraps (i.e., fills and justifies, leaving whitespace untouched except
at newlines) the region if this is active; if not, wraps the current
line."
  (interactive "*")
  (if (region-active-p)
	(fill-region (point) (mark) t t)
    (progn 
	(beginning-of-line)
	(set-mark-command nil)
	(end-of-line)
	(fill-region (point) (mark))
	(delete-backward-char 1))))

(defun rb-set-mark ()
  "Places the mark at point and sets rb-mark-line-p to nil."
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p nil)
  (set-mark-command nil))

(defun rb-mark-line ()
  "Marks the current line"
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p t)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (set-mark-command nil)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-for-word ()
  "Conditional forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,          go to the first non-blank character on the next line;
if on space or tab, go to the next non-blank character; 
if in a word,       go to the first non-blank character past the current word;
if elsewhere,       go to the next word-beginning or to eol."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; go to the
	    (forward-line 1)                    ; next line,
	    (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab)   ; first non-blank character
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  curr)        ; If the cursor is on a
	    (progn                              ; space or tab, then go
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; to the next non-blank
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else (not at eol) but
          (progn                              ; on a word constituent, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars); go to next non-blank 
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; past current word
	    )
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-nonw-eol)  ; go to the next word or eol
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-back-word ()
  "Conditional backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,               go back until a non-blank character is found;
if after a space or tab, go to the previous non-blank character, but 
if at beg-of-word,       go to the previous word beginning or non-blank;
if inside a word,        go to the first character of the current word;
if elsewhere,            go to the previous non-blank."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                      ; if at beginning of line,
	  (progn                                      ; then
	    (forward-line -1)                         ; go to the previous line
	    (end-of-line)                             ; at the and and on
	    (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)        ; the last non-blank.
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  prch)              ; if after a space or tab,
	    (progn                                    ; go to the previous
		(skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)      ; non-blank.
		(let (( pprch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
		  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" pprch)   ; if on a word, skip
			(skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)  ; back one word, else
		    (backward-char))                       ; back one char
		  )                                        ; end inner let
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch)       ; if after a word
		(progn                                  ; constituent, go 
		  (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)   ; back to beg-of-word
		  )
          (progn                              ; anything else,
		    (backward-char)               ; back one character
		)
	    )))                                 ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-for-word ()
  "Conditional kill-forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,                 join next line and leave one blank character;
if on space, tab, or word, kill forward until a non-blank character is found; 
if elsewhere,              delete current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; same as rb-join-line
	    (delete-char 1)
	    (fixup-whitespace)
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" curr)         ; If on a space
	    (progn                              ; or tab, then kill
		(kill-region (point)              ; next blanks and tabs
				 (progn 
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
		 ))                               ; closing the two progn's
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else, if on a 
		(progn                            ; word constituent, then
		(kill-region (point)              ; kill forward until
				 (progn               ; a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
		)
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(delete-char 1)                   ; delete current character
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-back-word ()
  "Conditional kill-backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,                 delete previous character;
if after a space or tab,   delete previous blanks and tabs;
after a word constituent,  delete previous word and previous blanks;
if elsewhere,              delete backward character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                ; If at bol, 
	    (delete-backward-char 1)            ; delete previous character
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" prch)         ; If after a space or tab,
	    (kill-region (point)                ; kill previous
			     (progn                 ; blanks and tabs
				 (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point)))
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch) ; else, if after a word
		(kill-region (point)              ; constituent, kill backward
				 (progn               ; until a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
	    (progn                              ; if after anything else,
	     (delete-backward-char 1))          ; delete previous character
	   )))                                  ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-down ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the down-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs next-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))                    ; If at end-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
                                      ; marking mode are active, then
	    (let ((bef (point))                 
		    aft)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (end-of-line)         ; Looking for the aft(er)
		    (setq aft (point)))   ; position of point.
		  (if (< aft (point-max)) ; This is to avoid unmarking
			(progn              ; if an end of buffer
			  (forward-line)    ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )                       ; here, the aft(er) position is found
	    (if (>= (point) (mark))     ; If (1): if point lower than mark
		  (if (bolp)              ; go down one line if already at bol
			(forward-line)      ; else, extend the mark to the
		    (forward-line 2)      ; next line as a whole
			)
		(if (and (>= (mark) bef ) (< (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here the 
                                      ; point is above the mark: if it moves
			(progn              ; below it, reset mark at beg-of-line
			  (goto-char (mark))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (set-mark-command nil)
			  (forward-line 2))
		    (forward-line)        ; else, forward line
		    )                     ; end if (2)
		)                         ; end if (1)  
	    )                           ; end let
	  (next-line 1)                 ; if not active, go down
	  )                             ; end outermost if
    )
)                                     ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-up ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the up-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs previous-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))                           ; If at beg-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
	    (let ((bef (point))                ; marking mode are active,
		    aft
		    chk)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (beginning-of-line)          ; This is to avoid
		    (setq aft (point)))          ; disappearance of
		  (if (> aft (point-min))        ; the region if a
			(progn                     ; beginning of buffer
			  (forward-line -1)        ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )
		(if (<= (point) (mark))          ; If (1): if point is above mark
		    (forward-line -1)            ; go up one line (at bol)
		  (if (and (< (mark) bef ) (>= (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here 
                                             ; the point moves above the mark;
		    (progn                       ; hence, 
			(if (= (mark) aft) 
			    (setq chk 1))          ; special case
			(goto-char (mark))         ; reset mark at 
			(end-of-line)              ; end-of-line
			(set-mark-command nil)
			(if (> aft (point-min))        ; Avoid beg-of-buffer error
			    (if (and chk (not (bolp))) ; special case
				  (beginning-of-line)    ; handled here
				(forward-line -1))))     ; normal case
                                             ; here point stays below mark: if
		    (if (bolp)                   ; at bol, go to the beginning of 
			  (forward-line -1)        ; the previous line, if not at
			(beginning-of-line))       ; bol, to bol of current line
		  )                              ; end if (2)
		)                                ; end if (1)
		)                                ; end let
	  (previous-line 1)                    ; if region not active, up
	  )                                    ; end outermost if
    )
  )                                          ; end defun

(defun rb-dos-to-unix ()
  "Converts the current buffer from DOS format to UNIX format, 
irrespective of whether the buffer is read-only or not."
  (interactive)
  (setq buffer-read-only nil)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (while (re-search-forward "\r$" nil t)  ; search for carriage returns
	(replace-match ""))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (forward-line -1)			        ; go back a line for safety
    (setq dos-seen-ctl-Z (search-forward "\C-z" nil t))
    (if dos-seen-ctl-Z
	  (replace-match ""))))

(defun rb-flip-one ()
  "Flips the case of the current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
         ( cfs case-fold-search))           ; End varlist
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (delete-char 1)
    (if (string-match "[A-Z]"  curr)
	  (insert (downcase curr))
	(insert (upcase curr)))
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end let
  )                                         ; end defun

(defun rb-flip ()
  "Conditional case flip: if the region is active, the case of all
characters inside it is flipped; otherwise, if the cursor is on a
letter, the letter's case is flipped; if the cursor is on anything
else, the case of the previous word is flipped."
  (interactive "*")
  (let ((cfs case-fold-search))
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (if (not (region-active-p))
	  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
		   end)
	    (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z]" curr)
		  (rb-flip-one)                 ; If on a letter, flip it
		(progn
		  (setq end (point))
		  (save-excursion                    ; Here if no region is
		    (skip-chars-backward rb-nonword) ; active and the cursor
		    (if (not (bolp))                 ; is not on a letter.
		    (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars))   ; back one word
		    (while (< (point) end)
			(rb-flip-one)))           ; end save-excursion
		  (goto-char end)
		  )))                           ; end progn, end if, end let
	(let ((beg (mark))                    ; Here if the region is active
		(end (point)))
	  (if (< (point) (mark))              ; setting beg (end) to the
		(progn                          ; smaller (larger) between
		  (setq beg (point))            ; point and mark
		  (setq end (mark))))
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char beg)                   ; From beg to end, flip
	    (while (< (point) end)            ; current character
		(rb-flip-one)))                 ; end save-excursion
	  (goto-char end)
	  )                                   ; end let upon active-region
	)                                     ; end if region-active-p
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end outermost let
  )                                         ; end defun

; LateX functions:

(defun rb-cite ()
  "Inserts \cite{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\cite{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-subscr ()
  "Inserts _{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "_{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-supscr ()
  "Inserts ^{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "^{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-bf ()
  "Inserts {\bf } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "{\\bf }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-it ()
  "Inserts {\it } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "{\\it }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-ref ()
  "Inserts \ref{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\ref{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-limit ()
  "Inserts \lim{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\lim{}")
  (backward-char)
)

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Modified Questions

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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.0.14 was removed on August 8.
    2. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 15.
    3. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 26.
       
   This file was last modified on August 26, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
                 [updated]
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged? [updated]

   There are currently irreconcilable differences in the views about
   technical, programming, design and organizational matters between RMS
   and the XEmacs development team which provide little hope for a merge
   to take place in the short-term future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.2.3 was updated on September 24.
    2. Q4.3.5 was added on October 1.
       
   This file was last modified on October 1, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
               o Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [new]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
               o Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [updated]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (interactive)
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [new]

   pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/late
   x2html/>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...
   
   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.1.14 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q2.0.12 was updated on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.10.5 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q3.3.4 was updated on August 18.
       
   This file was last modified on August 18, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off? [updated]
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off?
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off? [updated]
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn
	this off?  [updated]

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

   David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:
   If you have 19.14 or later, try this instead; you'll still get the
   function name displayed in the modeline, but it won't attempt to keep
   track when you modify the file. To refresh when it gets out of synch,
   you simply need click on the Rescan Buffer option in the
   function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off?

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off? [updated]

   Like this:
(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

   Thanks to T. V. Raman <raman@adobe.com> for assistance in deriving
   this answer.
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
          + Q6.0.2 Printing problems in XEmacs 19.14
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Printing problems in 19.14

   There have been widespread reports of printing problems in XEmacs
   19.14. There is one nasty bug that also appears in GNU Emacs, that may
   be causing difficulties.
   
   If you are having troubles with postscript printing, go into the file
   lisp/packages/ps-print.el and look for the variable ps-print-prologue.
   There are four bogus comment lines that look like:
    1. % \20x
    2. % \24x
    3. % \30x
    4. % \34x
       
   Just delete them, and rebytecompile the file by typing at the command
   line:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile ps-print.el

   This change should allow you to print postscript. Please note that
   this bug also appears in GNU Emacs 19.34.
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   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.1.5 was added on August 12.
    2. Q5.1.1 was updated on August 16.
    3. Q5.0.12 was updated on August 27.
    4. Q5.3.12 was added on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame? [updated]
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs? [updated]
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
               o Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?
                 [new]
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hangs when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?
               o Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?
                 [new]
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame? [updated]

   If you set the gnuserv-frame variable to the frame that should be used
   to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs? [updated]

   Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes; Emacs has a legacy of keyboards
   that produced characters with modifier bits, and therefore map a
   variety of input systems into this scheme even today. XEmacs is
   instead optimized for X events. This causes an incompatibility in the
   way key sequences are specified, but both Emacs and XEmacs will accept
   a key sequence as a vector of lists of modifiers that ends with a key,
   e.g., to bind M-C-a, you would say [(meta control a)] in both Emacsen.
   XEmacs has an abbreviated form for a single key, just (meta control
   a). Emacs has an abbreviated form for the Control and the Meta
   modifiers to string-characters (the ASCII characters), as in
   "\M-\C-a". XEmacs users need to be aware that the abbreviated form
   works only for one-character key sequences, while Emacs users need to
   be aware that the string-character is rather limited. Specifically,
   the string-character can accomodate only 256 different values, 128 of
   which have the Meta modifier and 128 of which have not. In each of
   these blocks, only 32 characters have the Control modifier. Whereas
   [(meta control A)] differs from [(meta control a)] because the case
   differs, "\M-\C-a" and "\M-\C-A" do not. Programmers are advised to
   use the full common form, both because it is more readable and less
   error-prone, and because it is supported by both Emacsen.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer? [new]

   Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data
                           (buffer-substring
                           (point-min)
                           (point-max)))))

   The thing I couldn't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
   from the contents - like it does for files. So it's a real pain to
   extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
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Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work? [new]

   For regular printing there are two variables that can be customized.
   
   lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes standard input and
          sends it to a printer. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-command "lp")

   lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list that contains whatever the print
          command requires to do its job. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-switches '("-depson"))

   For postscript printing there are three analogous variables to
   customize.
   
   ps-lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes postscript on
          standard input and directs it to a postscript printer.
          
   ps-lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list of switches required for
          ps-lpr-command to do its job.
          
   ps-print-color-p
          This boolean variable should be set t if printing will be done
          in color, otherwise it should be set to nil.
          
   NOTE: It is an undocumented limitation in XEmacs 19.14 that postscript
   printing (the Pretty Print Buffer menu item) requires a window system
   environment. It cannot be used outside of X11.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 4 Part 6 =>

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From: Dinesh Dutt <brat@mri.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Tcl mode in xemacs different from emacs???
Date: 05 Oct 1996 23:21:57 -0700
Organization: Microtec Research
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Hi,

> I can't send my emacs buffer to a tcl-process like in emacs.  Is there a
> way to get around this??

Is your mode tcl-mode ? I can do this in XEmacs 19.14. Check the Tcl menu on
the main menubar or click on the rightmost mouse-button. I think this feature
was present even in XEmacs-19.13. 
> Kevin

Hope this helps,

Dinesh
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Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 05 Oct 1996 23:27:51 -0700
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Hi,

No, XEmacs is not threaded either and don't think this feature will be added
RSN, though I could be wrong.

Dinesh
dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
> 
> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?
> 

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: column number display
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Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com> writes:
> Try putting-
> (display-column-mode nil)
> (line-number-mode nil)
> In your .emacs
> 
> I find displaying the column mode eats a lot of real-time,
> so I have bound it to a key to toggle it, as below:
> (define-key global-map [f2] 'display-column-mode)

	It might be better (faster!) to use column-number-mode instead
of display-column-mode - unfortunately, the modeline format does not
contain the necessary magic to actually show the column information!
The following code (stolen from Per Abrahamsen's column.el, which
defines display-column-mode ;-) should help:

;;;
;;; Add column number information to modeline format if necessary
;;; (which it is for xemacs 19.14, at least.)
;;;
(or (assoc 'column-number-mode modeline-format)
    (let ((column-number-entry '(column-number-mode "C%c--"))
	   (column-number-after 'line-number-mode)
	   entry)
      (setq entry (member (assoc column-number-after modeline-format)
			  modeline-format))
      (setcdr entry (cons column-number-entry (cdr entry)))
      (setq-default modeline-format (copy-sequence modeline-format))))

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il>
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Subject: Help with itimer package
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Hi,
I want to use the itimer package to monitor heavy code run in xemacs 19.13.
The code is generating reference variables, and the function called by itimer
has to decide based on them what to do. One of the actions I need to take is
stop one of the functions being executed, and make it return an error signal.

for example:
function `a' calls function `b', which in turn calls function `c' with
(condition-case nil (c) (error nil))
now, function `c' generates some signals, based on them I've got to stop it's
run, and generate an error (which will be captured by `b', and `b' will
continue to run), or let it continue running.

I need this somewhat strange approach, since I can't do the obvious and change
the code of `c'.

I have the monitor function called by itimer, and it makes the right
decisions (I play some messages). My problem is how to make it stop the
execution of `c'?

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:

    Kevin> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the
    Kevin> mailing list won't allow me to subscribe.

    Kevin> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report
    Kevin> problems or bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this
    Kevin> purpose.

The author has been silent for some time now. Don't know whether he
still maintains it or not.

    Kevin> Is anyone even using it?

I am. Works fairly well.

Richard.

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>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com> writes:

Justin> Where can I find this hide-ifdef package?

It's called hideif.el:
;;; hide-ifdef-mode.el --- hides selected code within ifdef.

;; Copyright (C) 1988, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Dan LaLiberte <liberte@a.cs.uiuc.edu>

and is included standard in emacs (lisp/modes/hideif.el in XEmacs).
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From: Peter Spoerri <pspoerri@access.ch>
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Hi all together

I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
for writing C/C++ programs.
The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
compile window like this:

> cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> make -k
> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>
> Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
lucida-typewriter permanently.

Any help or advice is welcome.

cheers Peter


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From: Maciej Lazarewicz <maciejl@amg.gda.pl>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Segmentation faultation
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 12:21:38 +0100
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Hi,

is it normal for Xemacs on DEC osf 3.2c to
make something like following when you use syntax highlighting 
and copy two line into buffer, and also in others situations ???

Is it caused because I use osf 3.2c or maybe by something else ??

I got the message like that:

>Fatal error (11).
>Your files have been auto-saved.
>Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

>Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
>If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
>it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
>To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
>of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
>directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
>directory), and type

>  gdb /usr/users/webadmin/xemacs/bin/xemacs core

>then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
>(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
>or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
>these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
>Segmentation faultation 


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From: Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: changing fonts permanently
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:57:39 -0500
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Peter Spoerri wrote:
> 
To change fonts permanently you must make sure that under
Options->Menubar Appearance you deselect the Frame-Local Font Menu
option. Then your font selection will be applied to the current and all
future frames.

  -- Kent


> Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
> lucida-typewriter permanently.
> 
> Any help or advice is welcome.

-- 
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: compile
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Peter Spoerri (pspoerri@access.ch) wrote:
> I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
> for writing C/C++ programs.
> The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
> source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
> compile window like this:
> 
> > cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> > make -k
> > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> > Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Well, do you have a makefile in your test directory?  If not, either
create one or change the default "make -k" to something else, like
"gcc test.c".

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From: amca@matilda.vut.edu.au (Alasdair McAndrew)
Subject: Mime tools for lemacs-19.10?
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Hi there,

Are there any tools for viewing MIME messages in vm under lemacs-19.10?  
Our sys admin is balking at replacing this with xemacs-19.14, so for the 
time being I'm stuck with lemacs-19.10.

Looking forward to your replies!

cheers,

Alasdair McAndrew               Dept. of Computer and Mathematical Sciences
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Subject: Need money
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SENDER: xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu
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I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.

Of course I thought this was rediculous ,or some type of pyramid.
I talked it over with my family, an attorney, and my friends, and
they all agreed it was some sort of scam.I hate scams because
usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me!
I blew it off for a few weeks then saw another one in a
newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is legitimate!".
Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the morning on
my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day.


Well, two weeks later,I began recieving money in the mail!
I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big bucks!
At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a
couple of thousand , then BOOM . By the end of the fourth
week , I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all
over the world.And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had
enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.
Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks.  Dave Manning claims
he made $53,664 in the same amount of time.  Dan Shepstone says it was
only $17,000 for him.  Do I know these folks?  No, but when I read how
they say they did it, it made sense to me.  Enough sense that I'm
taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money.  Not a big chance, I
admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone
ever invests in this system.  Period.  That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan
invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each,
in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works in 3
easy steps:


STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate
pieces of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING
LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;
you're paying for a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill, money order,
or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail
to the following five addresses: (Remember: It costs more to send a
letter to Europe, Asia or so)


 1.    Kristoffer Hochnowski
       Peter Ostbyes gt.8
       3014 Drammen
       Norway

 2.    Kevin Marshall
       2320 Crystal Downs Ct.
       Oxnard, CA 93030
       USA

 3.    Chris Molloy
       256 Cathedral Avnue
       Winnipeg, Manitoba
       Canada
       R2W 0X5

 4.    Pat Vandoren
       1160 des Tourterlles
       St-Elie d'Orford, Quibec
       JOB 2SO
       CANADA

 5.    Ben Okhuysen
       Simplonbaan 244
       3524 GT Utrecht
       Netherlands


STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at
    least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

     You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
     returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the internet is new
     and huge. There is no way you can lose.

    Now here is how and why this system works:

    Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.

    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings.On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!

    Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!

    Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 200
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.

    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 7 Oct 96 13:48:37 GMT
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In <d9enjcvc7s.fsf@sun295.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Dinesh Dutt <brat@mri.com> writes:

>Hi,

>No, XEmacs is not threaded either and don't think this feature will be added
>RSN, though I could be wrong.

>Dinesh
>dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
>> 
>> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
>> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?
>> 

  Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

-- 
Kent Vander Velden
graphix@iastate.edu


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hy !
yesterday i have updated my xemacs19.13 to xemacs19.14 under linux.
all works fine but mailcrypt (v3.4) doesnt work anymore. 
if i try to encrypt a message ive got the following error.
"Wrong type argument: listp, :-pos"
so please...can anybody tell me whats wrong or can give me a hint!?
thx in advance!!!!

				bye Peter

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Kent A. Vander Velden writes:
 >   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
 > XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
 > IO, the GUI all in there own thread?
 > 

As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to be able to continue editing
whilst gnus is polling my nntp server.  This is the only area I feel
really needs threading - I'm already able to compile whilst editing
(although I guess this isn't a true thread).

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Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> writes:

> 
> I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
> such a port  exist at all?
> -- 

The only one I have seen is Marc Parmet's at :

ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/parmet

I've used it a bit and it's not bad. I wish it were maintained on a 
regular basis. Any chance of getting these changes folded in with the 
XEmacs/GNUEmacs distributions?

-Steve

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Mr Daryl Moulder (dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?

XEmacs is not threaded.  However, it can execute external commands
asynchronously.  That is, yes, you can unzip a large file, run a shell
command and edit.  But you cannot e.g. get nntp (which is an internal
activity) and edit at the same time.

> Any comments on the likelihood of the feature being added to an emacs any 
> time soon?

I think it is very unlikely.  However, things do change -- who knows
what might be in a year or so?

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In article <graphix.844696117@spiff.cc.iastate.edu> on 7 Oct 96 13:48:37 GMT,
graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden) writes:

  > ... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
  > XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?

Each buffer being a separate thread would be ideal.  The XEmacs
would be closer to being a usable OS.

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Kevin K. Lewis (lewikk@aud.alcatel.com) wrote:

: The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
: won't allow me to subscribe.

: Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
: bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

: Is anyone even using it?

I use it occasionally, and it serves me well.


: Thanks.

: -- 
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Greetings,

I'm new to xemacs and could someone help me link the
files in /usr/info directory to xemacs.  I've read the
text information at the beginning of the dir file and
the info files on info and I don't get it.  Thanks

Guy Bourdon
Ottawa Canada


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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:

> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list won't
> allow me to subscribe.

Not sure what the status of the mailing list is anymore.

> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or bugs?
> Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

Bob Weiner left Motorola and is now working at a startup.  You could try
contacting him at weiner@cubicon.com, but I'm not sure what his schedule is
like anymore.

> Is anyone even using it?

It seems to be getting a fair amount of use, but it probably was not tested
out with XEmacs 19.14.  I know a couple of things changed that adversely
affected Koutline and Hyperbole (modeline and extents), so I wouldn't doubt
there are problems with OOBR.  Hopefully, though, they're minor.

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I like to have the local time in my log files, and so I have defined
my RCSINIT environment variable to be the following string:

	-zLT

In XEmacs 19.13 (at least), this prevents checking out previous
versions of a file with the "Tools -> VC -> Visit Other Version..."
menu item.

I traced the problem to `vc-fetch-properties' in the "vc.el" file.
Simply passing the "-z" flag (i.e. force usage of UTC) to "rlog" fixes
the problem.  Here's the context diff:


*** vc.el.orig  Thu Aug 31 22:34:49 1995
--- vc.el       Mon Sep 30 17:09:39 1996
***************
*** 1400,1405 ****
--- 1400,1409 ----
      )
    )
  
+ (defun vc-rename-this-file (new)
+   (interactive "FVC rename file to: ")
+   (vc-rename-file buffer-file-name new))
+ 
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun vc-update-change-log (&rest args)
    "Find change log file and add entries from recent RCS logs.
***************
*** 1661,1667 ****
                      '(vc-latest-version vc-your-latest-version))
        )
      ;; RCS
!     (vc-log-info "rlog" file 'MASTER nil
                 (list
                  "^locks: strict\n\t\\([^:]+\\)"
                  "^locks: strict\n\t[^:]+: \\(.+\\)"
--- 1665,1671 ----
                      '(vc-latest-version vc-your-latest-version))
        )
      ;; RCS
!     (vc-log-info "rlog" file 'MASTER '("-z")
                 (list
                  "^locks: strict\n\t\\([^:]+\\)"
                  "^locks: strict\n\t[^:]+: \\(.+\\)"

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I've had the same problem with xemacs. If I change the font settings and
then save options, then the .emacs and .xemacs-options files are not even
written to.

Any ideas?

Pabs

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Hi all together

I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
for writing C/C++ programs.
The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
compile window like this:

> cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> make -k 
> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>
> Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
lucida-typewriter permanently.

Any help or advice is welcome.

cheers Peter

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Hi,

I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having difficulty
finding out how to do it.  The vm info file is of little help, and I'm
got really knowledgable of elisp code to figure this out.

How is this done?

Thanks,

Shawn

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Hi!

How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
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- Yeh


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>>>>> "John" == John S Cooper <jsc@eng.sun.com> writes:

>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Steven> Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

Steven> (setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape) (setq
Steven> browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

John> The original question was w.r.t VM, and the above variable isn't
John> consulted by VM ...

That's not how I read the code (from 19.14/vm-vars.el):
;; if browse-url is around (always will be in XEmacs 19.14) use it;
;; otherwise do our own support.
(if (boundp 'browse-url-browser-function)
    (defvaralias 'vm-url-browser 'browse-url-browser-function)
  (defvar vm-url-browser
    (cond ((fboundp 'w3-fetch-other-frame)
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          ((fboundp 'w3-fetch)
           'w3-fetch)
          (t 'vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape))
  "*Non-nil value means VM should enable URL passing.
This means that VM will search for URLs (Universal Resource
Locators) in messages and make it possible for you to pass them
to a World Wide Web browser.
 ...

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>>>>> "Steven" == 0 Steven Kuzmeski x6697 B-060 <kuzmessp@pweh.com> writes:

Steven> If I compile the .el file under XEmacs, it loads fine.
Steven>  o Are .elc files not compatible?

Emacs .elcs are not compatible with XEmacs, however ...

Steven>  o Are XEmacs .elc files compatible in FSF emacs?

XEmacs .elcs will work fine in GNU Emacs.
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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

Mike> As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to be able to continue editing
Mike> whilst gnus is polling my nntp server.  This is the only area I
Mike> feel really needs threading - I'm already able to compile whilst
Mike> editing (although I guess this isn't a true thread).

Agreed.  Lars has added some asynchronous NNTP support to Red Gnus,
though I haven't personally tried it yet.

Threaded emacsen have been widely requested, but there are technical
issues surrounding the read-eval-print/redisplay processing that
ensure it won't get solved in the near future.
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Lahn <rio@eastside.erfurt.thur.de> writes:

Peter> hy !
Peter> yesterday i have updated my xemacs19.13 to xemacs19.14 under linux.
Peter> all works fine but mailcrypt (v3.4) doesnt work anymore. 
Peter> if i try to encrypt a message ive got the following error.
Peter> "Wrong type argument: listp, :-pos"
Peter> so please...can anybody tell me whats wrong or can give me a hint!?
Peter> thx in advance!!!!

Please rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs (this is a general problem
with the 19.14 distribution).
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>>>>> "Eyal" == Eyal Wirsansky <ewirsans@faxjet.com> writes:

Eyal> Hello,

Eyal> I have tried to install Xemacs 19.14 on a (pentium based) SCO
Eyal> UnixWare machine. The Unix version installed in this machine is
Eyal> marked as 'System V 4.2MP 2.1'.

Eyal> After ftp'ing the source code, I first ran 'configure' without
Eyal> any parameters. 'configure' came up with the guess
Eyal> 'i386-univel-sysv4.2MP', which made sense. But, running 'make'
Eyal> consequently has failed, due to an attempt to issue a 'ranlib'
Eyal> command, which is not recognized by the machine. Trying to run
Eyal> 'configure' with some other variations of the machine-argument
Eyal> did not improve the final result.

Eyal> If anybody knows how to fix the situation, or already have a
Eyal> compiled version of Xemacs for the UnixWare machine, it would be
Eyal> a of a great help to me.

Since no one has apparently responded yet, there are two brute force
things you can do to get further.  Hack the configure script to not
call ranlib:
if test "x$RANLIB" = x; then
  RANLIB=ranlib
fi

Change this to read:
if test "x$RANLIB" = x; then
  RANLIB=:
fi

Or add a shell script to your path called `ranlib' that consists of:
#! /bin/sh
exit 0

and see how much further you get.
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>>>>> "James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

James> Does anyone know how to set the auto indent to 4 spaces instead
James> of 2 spaces (this is the default) in C and C++ ?

Select Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar to get a look at an
example .emacs.  Buried within are the magic lines:

;; Change the indentation amount to 4 spaces instead of 2.
;; You have to do it in this complicated way because of the
;; strange way the cc-mode initializes the value of `c-basic-offset'.
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (setq c-basic-offset 4)))


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>>>>> "M" == M Alan Ross <maross@pd10.llnl.gov> writes:

M> Hi,
M> 	I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
M> user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
M> .el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
M> mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
M> like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
M> Xemacs.

M-x column-number-mode

M> I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
M> why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
M> because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.

You can compare it to the version actually in XEmacs since the one in
XEmacs is a later version of the file you have.  However, it *does*
work in XEmacs when you remove the line `(require 'lucid)', which is a
lucid emacs compatibility package used by GNU Emacs, and not necessary
(or present) in XEmacs.
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I'm using ange-ftp to monitor and then copy files from my
Rick> account on a Windows NT server. It works fine, but I have two
Rick> questions.

Rick> 1. I can't seem to make a symlink between NT files and my unix
Rick>    directory. This would be very handy.

Symbolic links on a NT filesystem?  I don't think you can do that.

Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

That is because they are being matched with the
ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.

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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:

Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine, but I keep
Jon> getting errors about undefined functions.  I'm using linux-2.0.20
Jon> and xemacs-19.14.  Can anyone help me, or point me to another
Jon> package that I can use?  I need an ftp program that will allow me
Jon> to specify ports.

It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
since then.

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Subject: Re: Font change, then saving options, doesn't work
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See my post above from Sunday at 19:57.

Mr P W Bentley wrote:
> 
> I've had the same problem with xemacs. If I change the font settings and
> then save options, then the .emacs and .xemacs-options files are not even
> written to.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Pabs

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Try:

	(setq vm-use-toolbar             nil)

In your ~/.vm file or ~/.emacs

--- Ricky.

>>>>> Shawn Brown writes:

 Shawn: Hi,
 Shawn: I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having difficulty
 Shawn: finding out how to do it.  The vm info file is of little help, and I'm
 Shawn: got really knowledgable of elisp code to figure this out.

 Shawn: How is this done?

 Shawn: Thanks,

 Shawn: Shawn

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Steven L. Baur writes:
 > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:
 > 
 > Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine
 > 
 > It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
 > haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
 > problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
 > since then.

        i have efs 1.14, i compiled it under 19.13, it works nice
        under 19.14

        here it is one of the headers of the compiled files:

;ELC
;;; compiled by boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it on Fri Sep 29 18:23:29 1995
;;; from file /home/boffi/emacs/efs-1.14/dired-help.el
;;; emacs version 19.13 XEmacs Lucid.
;;; bytecomp version 2.25; 1-Sep-94.
;;; optimization is on.
;;; this file uses opcodes which do not exist in Emacs 18.

        if i remember correctly, i had to tweak a little the makefile
        to get everything ok, but if it was in my reach... :-)

hth
                                                                gb

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	My Xemacs is not able to load images in WWW mode.

	It says that the following commands are missing:

			giftoppm
			pnmdepth
			ppmdither
			ppmtoxpm

	Does anyone have an idea how I can solve the problem?

	Or, better, where I can get these commands?


	Soon.
	Thanks in advance.

         LM

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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Shawn Brown writes:

 > I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having
 > difficulty finding out how to do it.

        Ricardo Marek replied to your question...

 > The vm info file is of little help, and I'm got really knowledgable
 > of elisp code to figure this out.

        the above is sort of a meta-question (or a meta-FAQ) (hi
        Steve!):

                 how do i do ... in VM, info file doesn't help!

        well, the meta-answer is, look into the file vm-vars.el, in
        the vm directory of the lisp library

        vm-vars.el contains, initializes and carefully describe, with
        examples of usage, the plethora of user options that _fully_
        control VM's behaviour

        enter vm-vars, forward-search for toolbar, find the variables
        that control the toolbar placement, appearance, existance,
        copy to your .emacs or .vm and modify accordingly to the
        detailed instructions

        the above also applies to all the various features of VM:
        search for some keywords, maybe the 1st you conjure isn't
        appropriate, find the appropriate vars, copy, experiment

        even if VM's info could be described as terse and outdated,
        the strategic decision of documenting all user options in one
        place makes VM one of the most easily configurable pieces of
        software that run under emacs (my 0.02lire)

                                                                gb

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From: Tomas Pihl <etxtopi@etxb.ericsson.se>
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Subject: 19.14: Completion failures
Date: 08 Oct 1996 12:03:43 +0200
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XEmacs 19.14, Solaris2.5

Sometimes when I try doing completion in the mini-buffer, the
completion fails and a TAB is inserted instead of opening a window
with the possible completion items. 

Lets say I want to open `hello.c'

   Find file: ~/work/recent/he[I hit TAB]

Result:

   Find file: ~/work/recent/he         |
                                       ^_ Cursor

Any ideas?

-- 
Tomas Pihl                                    etxtopi@etxb.ericsson.se
B/DBN                       

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From: Ernesto Martin Rebollo <ernes@patricio.tid.es>
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Subject: auto-folder
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I'm using XEmacs 19.14 and VM and I would like to use the auto-folder
function to automatically save messages to certain folders. For
example, any message from the distribution list p617@eurescom.de to a
folder called P617.

I have added the following lines to my .vm file

(setq vm-auto-folder-alist 
  '(
    ("To:" ("\"'SMTP:p617@eurescom.de'\" <p617@eurescom.de>" . "P617"))
    ("^To:" ("*.p617@eurescom.de.*" . "P617"))
   ))

but they do nothing. The AutoFile button in the vm toolbar can neither
be used.

Do I need anything more?


-- 
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From: chr@mediascience.no (Christian Nyb)
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Luca Massasso <massasso@pccnr.polito.it> was looking for a solution in
order to make Xemacs load images in W3-mode.  The utilities that
Xemacs was asking for are part of the netpbm package.  You may fetch
netpbm from this address: <URL:http://www.acme.com/software/pbmplus/>
and as once the netpbm utilities are installed in your PATH, Xemacs
will show you the web in all its glory.

Later,

chr
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Andrew DeFaria <defaria@cup.hp.com> writes:

    [ Lots of interesting stuff ]

> I am also curious as to why you would want to have Netscape in
> another workspace change pages on you? This requires that you need
> to switch over to that workspace to read any of the information.

    I think I'm in much the same position as the original requester.
If I come across an interesting URL in a newsgroup or email I click on
it to send it to Netscape, in another window.  I then continue reading
whatever I was reading and only look at the Web page later.  I think
it pretty much comes down to personal preference and fortunately it
appears that there are sufficient configuration options to please
every preference stated so far.

> My needs are usually that by far I would want to see the web page
> here, in this workspace where I'm working than to have to switch off
> to another workspace, read the material and switch back. Instead I
> use Add and read the material then Alt-Shift-F4 to remove the window
> from this workspace (and only if it is bothering me because the
> chances are that you might do that same operation again).
> 
    Alt-Shift-F4 does not appear to be mapped to anything by default
(Sun CDE 1.0.2).  One can use the window menu to tell a window to
unoccupy the current workspace; mapping a key to the same function
should be straightforward.

                Jim

Jim Gillespie      ,'_            "Happiness is being famous for your
jim@sbil.co.uk    / -.--.    ___   financial ability to indulge in
+44 171 721 2672 _~\  \__`--'_,-'  every form of excess"
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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: VC & Clearcase Support
Date: 08 Oct 1996 17:06:36 +0200
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Hi there,

after installing XEmacs 19.14 I found out that now VC seems to 
include support for the Version control software Clearcase (at least 
a little bit).

Unfortunately the online manual does not cover clearcase support.  Is
there any revised version of the VC manual out there with information
on my topic of interest?

I'd like to customize VC a little bit. First I'd like to add a
checkout comment when checking out a file. In standard mode VC does
allow for specification of a comment at checkin time only. One more
feature I'd like to modify is the behaviour of the compare function
("Diff Between Revisions..." in the VC menu). I'd like to have ediff
used instead of the simple diff that is predefined.

Any ideas on that would be welcome.

Thanks,

Adalbert
                    ------------------------
               Adalbert Perbandt  SIEMENS AG  
adalbert.perbandt@oen.siemens.de  OEN TI EA 2                     __o
               Dept. OEN TI EA 2  Rosenheimer Str. 116           `\<;
           Phone: + 89 4144 7651  81669 Munich/Germany     ____(*)/(*)____

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From: Simon Hardingham <simon@netxtra.co.uk>
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Subject: [tab] in viper
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I'm sorry but this may be a stupid question and I do want to use VI
within xemacs.  When I increase "vip-export-level" in .vip to 3 or above
the TAB key stops TAB'ing (a real problem when writing code).  How can I
get round this apart from droping back to level 1 or 2?

Thanks

Simon
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From: root@adyton.phil.uni-erlangen.de
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Subject: [Q] How to add menus
Date: 08 Oct 1996 17:48:26 +0200
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Hi!

I've installed cperl-mode and now I'd like to have
the cperl-menu as a pull-down-menu in the menu-bar
and on the third mousebutton locally in perl-mode
buffers.

I read the info-docs about mode-hooks and menu
customization, but I still can't get things to
work.

There's a definition of a 'cperl-menu' function 
(which requires 'easymenu') in cperl-mode.el.
Any suggestions how to bind this function to
the mouse-button and the menu-bar?

Thanx in advance,

	mac

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
> Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?
> 
> That is because they are being matched with the
> ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
> default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.
> 

Thanks, Steve, I found it and it was set to ".". Now I want to set it so
that lower case extensions are binary transfers and upper case (like
".DAT") are ascii. Can this be done easily? This is my first choice since
the PC I communicate with always saves filenames in upper case. 

My second choice would be to define a new
variable ange-ftp-ascii-file-name-regexp. Maybe this is useful in any case.

BTW I vote Steve the most helpful person on the usenet.

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: VC & Clearcase Support
Date: 08 Oct 1996 10:43:20 -0700
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>>>>> "Perbandt" == Perbandt Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24
>>>>> <perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de> writes:

> after installing XEmacs 19.14 I found out that now VC seems to include
> support for the Version control software Clearcase (at least a little bit).

> I'd like to customize VC a little bit. First I'd like to add a checkout
> comment when checking out a file. In standard mode VC does allow for
> specification of a comment at checkin time only. One more feature I'd like
> to modify is the behaviour of the compare function ("Diff Between
> Revisions..." in the VC menu). I'd like to have ediff used instead of the
> simple diff that is predefined.

The VC that comes with 19.14 is the first attempt (that I know of) to add
ClearCase support to the VC that is distributed with (X)Emacs.  There is,
however, another version of VC that is based on a slightly older version of VC
but incorporates more ClearCase features (like checkout comments).  Here is
the blurb on CCVC (I believe the information is still correct -- oh, the
person referred to as "I" below is Bill Sommerfeld at HP):

================
ClearCase VC (CC-VC) is an extension to the GNU Emacs "VC" package
which provides an emacs interface to the ClearCase configuration
management system.

This package permits you to check files in and out using the C-x C-q
(toggle-buffer-read-only) emacs command; when you check files in, it
prompts you for a comment string in a new buffer, you type C-c C-c,
and the file is checked in.  There are other commands which let you
see the version history of the file, or compare versions of files, as
well as some additional commands which permit you to some
clearcase-specific things like viewing a derivation history of a file,
or editing a ClearCase configuration specification.

The most recent version is v2.2.3.

This version requires:

	ClearCase version 2 or later.
	GNU Emacs 19.28 or later, or a recent version of XEmacs.

Note that XEmacs support appears to work, but has not been 100% tested.

Disclaimer:

This package is supported by me in my "spare time".  I am always
interested in receiving bug reports, especially if they contain fixes.
I cannot guarantee that bugs will be fixed in a timely manner, but I
use this package every day and depend on it to get my work done.

CC-VC is available via anonymous FTP from RTFM.MIT.EDU in the
directory /pub/cc-vc; fetch the file README from that directory to
find out how to proceed.

New versions of CC-VC will be announced when ready to the newsgroups
gnu.emacs.sources and comp.software.config-mgmt, as well as the
ClearCase International Users Group mailing list, <cciug@atria.com>.

Users are welcome to join the bug-reporting list by sending mail to
bug-cc-vc-request@bloom-beacon.mit.edu.

One closing note:

CC-VC is yet another software package masquerading as a roman numeral.
It joins a long line of software including VI, X, XV, and XLI.
================

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Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us) wrote:

:     AO> I'd prefer Jeemacs: Java enabled emacs

: Or it's full name: Jeexus

: I even have a tag line:

: "The Java Enabled Emacs or XEmacs Ultimate System.  It's the editor
:  that will save us all.  Coming (again) soon."

Wow.  When I read the subject line, my first thought was, "that's gotta be
the biggest Java program yet."  As if emacs written in native code wasn't
slow enough, now someone is writing it for the JVM?  What's a basic emacs
install up to now, 50 megs or so?

Kev.

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How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
and/or newsgroup postings?  I can't figure it out.

John Mann

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Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.

Thanks,

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Hi! There,

I have a habit to write code like this:

while (true) 
{
  do something;
  ... ;
}

However Xemacs automatically gives me this:

while (true)
  {
  do something;
  .......
  }

I really don't like it.
Now Xemacs can change it to:

while (true) {
  do something;
  .... ;
}

I don't like it neither.

I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP 
files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?

Oh, the other thing, why the C++ keywords such as "class", "private" and 
"int" are not highlighted? Is it my responsibility to do that? How?

Thanks.

- Yeh




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John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
> How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
> and/or newsgroup postings?

Check out message-default-headers.

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In article <yehDyxIDI.58J@netcom.com>, yeh@netcom.com (Zhenghao Yeh) wrote:

> How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
> I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
> Thanks 
C++ is actually just a special variety of c mode. You can invoke it with:
M-x c++-mode

Xemacs should start it for you if the file suffix is based on the generally
accepted .cc or was it .cpp or maybe .cp.

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I haven't used RCS in xemacs in about 6 months.  last time was with xemacs
19.13, and it worked fine.  Now, after I check out a file, xemacs' RCS menu
pulldown still shows a choice to check it out, instead of check it in.
Command line RCS works fine.  Do I need to do something different?

(sc-mode 'RCS)

is the .xemacs startup line I use.  Other RCS pulldown menu choices
seem to work OK.  

Please respond via email, if possible, as I don't get to read the xemacs
newsgroup as often as I'd like.  Thansk in advance to all who reply....

-- 
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When one starts up HTML mode it usefully sets up a "header" and
"footer" for the document. Are these configurable ? Our organisation
enforces a style for official web pages so automatically including it
would be incredibly useful to the html-naive users.



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From: Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: NOT viewing #ifdef'd portions of a file
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Hello,

I *really* want this feature, but am an xemacs novice and need help
"installing" it.  Where could I look for additional help?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: Re: Request for 19.15: .hpp files should invoke c++-mode
Date: 8 Oct 1996 20:42:05 GMT
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I wrote:
>	Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
-- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:20:50 +0200
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Zhenghao Yeh (yeh@netcom.com) wrote:
> I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP 
> files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?

And you expect correctly!  You do not even have to change the existing
lisp files -- it is enough to add little pieces of customization to
your .emacs.  This is what I have for c-mode:

;; Initialize changes to cc-mode & friends
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 3)
  (c-set-offset 'substatement-open 0)
  (c-set-offset 'statement 0)
  (c-set-offset 'case-label 3))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

You can change the offsets from 3 to 2 (or 4, or whichever you like
best).

-- 
   When a feature is used only by users (not by programs or command
files), and it is done poorly in Unix, feel free to replace it
completely with something totally different and better.  (For example,
`vi' is replaced with Emacs.)   -- Richard M. Stallman

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: Re: Linking /usr/info to xemacs
Date: 8 Oct 1996 20:12:22 GMT
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Guy J. Bourdon <cp266@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> writes:
 >
 >Greetings,
 >
 >I'm new to xemacs and could someone help me link the
 >files in /usr/info directory to xemacs.  I've read the
 >text information at the beginning of the dir file and
 >the info files on info and I don't get it.  Thanks
 >
 >Guy Bourdon
 >Ottawa Canada
 >

	Hi, Guy.  I had trouble with this too.  What you need to do is make a
file in your /usr/info directory called 'localdir'.  It should look something
like this:

* as::          GNU assembler.
* bfd::         GNU BFD library.

	Then you need to put in some file (mine is in the
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/site-start.el file):

(setq Info-default-directory-list
      (append Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/info/")))

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Request for 19.15: .hpp files should invoke c++-mode
Date: 8 Oct 1996 20:22:55 GMT
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	Is this the best place to make requests for the next version of
XEmacs, or is there an email address that's more guaranteed to hit the right
people?  Anyway, I would like to request an addition to the next version of
XEmacs:

	Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.  All the
common C++ extension pairs are in there (.C & .H, .cc & .hh, .cxx & .hxx, and
.c++ & .h++), but for some reason there is only .cpp and no .hpp.  This
doesn't seem very orthagonal.  etags was recently changed to have .hpp files
use -l c++, and it would be nice if XEmacs would behave the same way without
forcing users to mess with appending to the auto-mode-alist.

	Speaking of which, I'm surprised there isn't a
set-mode-in-auto-mode-alist function which takes a regexp-mode pair and
searches through the auto-mode-alist, changing the existing cell for the given
regexp, if it exists, or appending the pair if it doesn't.  That way you don't
get that messiness with having several copies of your customized auto-mode
settings, perhaps set to different values.

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From: uri@ibm.net (Uri Blumenthal)
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After having problems with efs-1.14 and XEmacs-19.14
(or was it 19.13?) I switched ange-ftp that comes
with XEmacs-19.14 and it works great. You might
want to give ange-ftp another try. 
-- 
Regards,
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to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: How do you change settings in files that are loaded into executable?
Date: 8 Oct 1996 20:26:55 GMT
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	I've never built XEmacs from scratch -- I've always used the pre-built
binaries, because they've worked for me.  However, sometimes I want to change
something in one of Emacs' lisp library files and the change doesn't take
effect even after byte-compiling the .el file and restarting XEmacs.  I gather
from the fairly sparse documentation on the matter that this is because the
file I'm modifying is pre-loaded into my XEmacs executable, and is thus
ignored.

	Am I just out-of-luck in this situation unless I download the full tar
file and build my own XEmacs?  Also, is there any way to find out which files
have been pre-loaded in this way?

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: efs-1.14
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
> haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
> problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
> since then.

Worked fine for me after compiling with 19.14 and 15-b1; I use dired-7.7
more than efs itself though.

-Sudish

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From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
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Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 07 Oct 1996 09:50:45 -0600
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>>>>> "Kent" == Kent A Vander Velden <graphix@iastate.edu> writes:

>> Dinesh dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
>>>  Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a
>>> large file while running a shell command while still letting me
>>> edit?
>>> 

Kent>   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the
Kent> areas in XEmacs that would benefit most from being
Kent> multithreaded?  Each frame, IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

I would really love to see seperate XEmacs threads for network access.
ie, being able to read news and go to another frame while it is
fetching articles. Being able to grab a web page in w3 and still edit
a document in another window, etc...

How hard would it really be to add in a small number of threads? 
one for each frame?
one for each buffer?

would this require a total re-write? or could it be added in the way
things are now? 

Kent> -- Kent Vander Velden graphix@iastate.edu

kevin
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In article <3258E4BF.446B@amolf.nl>, Ben Okhuysen <okhuysen@amolf.nl> wrote:

> I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
> to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.
> 

Ben,
   Give us a break Ben.  Cut it out, OK?  Have some integrity.  Does your
Mother know you're doin' this?

[-Rick-]  a blockhead who rides a shovelhead

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From: Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Configure VM to use pop
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On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, bpm wrote:

> Mikel Doucet writes:
>  |
>  |Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
>  |is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.
>  |
> 
> Yup,
> 
> (require 'vm-autoload)
> 
> ;; here's the magic for POP
> ;; the string should be in the format "popserver:port:authtype:user:pass"
> ;; here's mine -- just plug in your pop server, user name, and password
> ;(setq vm-spool-files (list "argon:110:pass:<USERNAME>:<PASSWD>"))
> 
> ;;; to prevent emacs from automatically creating a new window for VM,
> (setq vm-spool-files '(("/home/bpm/Mail/Inbox"
> 					   "your.domain.com:110:pass:<USERNAME>:*"
> 					   "/home/bpm/Mail/INBOX.CRASH")))

Close but still not working !!!  Here's my minimal VM configuration:

  (require 'vm-autoload)
  (setq vm-spool-files '(("/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX"
			  "thor:143:pass:mikel:*"
			  "/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX.CRASH")))
  (setq vm-folder-directory "~/.mail")

The 'thor' port 143 is connected to the "imap" deamon (which provides a 
superset of POP functionality).  The connection seems to be performed but 
the mail spool file is not read (ie. don't received new mails) ???  Do I 
forget some configuration steps ???

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From: jjchoi@cherry.postech.ac.kr (Jung-Ju Choi)
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Subject: Re: Configure VM to use pop
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.961008131939.24605G-100000@thor>
Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:
> Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
> is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.
> 

Yes. See the XEmacs FAQ Q.4.0.1.

(setq vm-spool-files '("YOUR.MAIL.HOST:110:pass:YOUR_ID:YOUR_PASS"))
-- 
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To: Brian Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
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Subject: Re: X-Face insertion
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	<37ohid6wvf.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>

Brian Edmonds writes:
 > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
 > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
 > > and/or newsgroup postings?
 > 
 > Check out message-default-headers.
 > 
 > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
 >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems* 
 >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
 > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
 > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.

How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
site where can I find description of X-Face format?

Yevgeny Druy

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.961008181303.9264A-100000@thor>,
	Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:
> Close but still not working !!!  Here's my minimal VM configuration:
> 
>   (require 'vm-autoload)
>   (setq vm-spool-files '(("/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX"
> 			  "thor:143:pass:mikel:*"
> 			  "/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX.CRASH")))
>   (setq vm-folder-directory "~/.mail")
> 
> The 'thor' port 143 is connected to the "imap" deamon (which provides a 
> superset of POP functionality).  The connection seems to be performed but 
> the mail spool file is not read (ie. don't received new mails) ???  Do I 
> forget some configuration steps ???

Have you set vm-auto-get-new-mail?  If this is nil, you will have to
explictly use vm-get-new-mail (bound to 'g' by default) to retrieve mail
from the POP server.  I use:

  (setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 120)

which automatically retrieves mail every 2 minutes.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Hi !

I wrote a small file defining a menu for Ilisp commands under
XEmacs using Per Abrahamsens easymenu-package. I just posted
the code to gnu.emacs.sources. If anyone has a better solution
send it to me :-)
BTW: the menu should work with any emacs(19 only ????) using easymenu
and ilisp but I just checked under XEmacs 19.14/Ilisp 5.7 and
XEmacs 19.11/Ilisp 5.5.

Happy emacsen,

 Holger

-- 
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   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
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(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: efs-1.14
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	<9610080858.AA05869@hp735.stru.polimi.it>

giacomo boffi writes:
 > Steven L. Baur writes:
 >  > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:
 >  > 
 >  > Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine
 >  > 
 >  > It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't
 >  > matter).  I haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there
 >  > might be other problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much
 >  > has changed in emacs since then.
 > 
 >         i have efs 1.14, i compiled it under 19.13, it works nice
 >         under 19.14

what i forgot to say, a (small) patch is necessary.  from ange (Andy
Norman) web site, here it is:

diff -c efs.el~ efs.el
*** efs.el~     Wed Sep 20 23:55:16 1995
--- efs.el      Wed Sep 20 23:55:17 1995
***************
*** 8357,8365 ****
                 (efs-save-match-data
                   (or (string-match "^550 " line)
                       (efs-set-host-property host 'mdtm-failed t)))
!                (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer 0)))) ; store dummy values
           0) ; Always do this NOWAIT = 0
!       (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer 0))
        nil) ; return NIL
      ))
  
--- 8357,8365 ----
                 (efs-save-match-data
                   (or (string-match "^550 " line)
                       (efs-set-host-property host 'mdtm-failed t)))
!                (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer '(0 0))))) ; store dummy values
           0) ; Always do this NOWAIT = 0
!       (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer '(0 0)))
        nil) ; return NIL
      ))
  
      


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[Kevin Swan]

|   What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?

with complete sources and object files, installed in place, I need 60M.
this is the amount of disk space needed to build Emacs.  the installed
version requires 20M lisp files, 3M binary files, and 3M info files.
you're off by a factor of two, which is pretty good for a prejudiced and
ignorant comment like yours.

#\Erik
-- 
I could tell you, but then I would have to reboot you.

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Hi Alan,

try the following line in your site-start.el or .emacs file:

(display-column-mode t)

This displays line (one-based) on column (zero-based) in the mode-line.

Good Luck,

Adrian

M. Alan Ross wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>         I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
> user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
> .el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
> mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
> like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
> Xemacs.  I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
> why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
> because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.
> 
> Alan Ross
> maross@llnl.gov
> 
> ;;; column.el --- display line and column in the mode line
> ;; Copyright (C) 1993 Per Abrahamsen.
> ;; Copyright abandoned.  This file is donated to the public domain.
> ;; Author: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
> ;; Version: 0.1
> 
(rest of column.el deleted)
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 09 Oct 1996 15:04:25 +0200
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Threaded emacsen have been widely requested, but there are technical
> issues surrounding the read-eval-print/redisplay processing that
> ensure it won't get solved in the near future.

BTW, the change would require a serious change in philosophy of work
too, so that the older systems without threads could not run XEmacs at
all.

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>>>> Thus spake 'Steve Heckman (sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com)':

 SH> Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> writes:
 >> 
 >> I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
 >> such a port  exist at all?
 >> -- 

 SH> The only one I have seen is Marc Parmet's at :

 SH> ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/parmet

 SH> I've used it a bit and it's not bad. I wish it were maintained on a 
 SH> regular basis. Any chance of getting these changes folded in with the 
 SH> XEmacs/GNUEmacs distributions?

A while ago I read a post by someone who was running XEmacs under Tenon's
MachTen for the Macintosh (~ $500 US). From what I remember, the port was a
real pain, but in the end it worked. Check out http://www.tenon.com.

Brad

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Hello

I am using xemacs 19.13, on linux 1.3.93 and gcc 2.7.2

I have been using the text-based oobr and consider it essential
equipment.  I would like to be able to use the graphic capabilities of
xoobr as well.  When I try to compile xoobr (in the
xemacs-19.13/lisp/tree-x directory) I get the following results:

After making appropriate changes to the Makefile, I type 'make':

# make
gcc -g -O -I/usr/X11R6/include    -c usleep.c -o usleep.o
usleep.c:38: conflicting types for `usleep'
/usr/include/unistd.h:649: previous declaration of `usleep'
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pointer type
usleep.c:59: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
make: *** [usleep.o] Error 1
#       

The pointers in question are simply pointers to integers.  I tried
compiling  on another system (also linux 1.3.?? and gcc 2.7.2), with the
same results.

Is this a problem with the code or with my setup?  I am grateful to
anyone who replies.                               
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Hi,

I have never had any problems with XEmacs (19.14) on any Linux-box
until today.  When I compiled it today on a PPro with RedHat
Rembrandt, expand-file-name didn't work. (expand-file-name "~/") gives
the correct value, but (expand-file-name "~<any user>/") gives "/".

I've read the PROBLEMS-file which says that Ultrix may have problems
with this, but I'm not running Ultrix :-), and neither do I have
anything in site-init.el.

XEmacs was configured with './configure' and compiled with 'make'. No
problem with that.

Any help appreciated.

-Toreo
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From: wittich@beier.hep.upenn.edu (Peter)
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

 Dan> I wrote:
 >> Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

 Dan> 	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
 Dan> -- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

Hi Dan, 

you can trivially make both of these changes with some additions to your
.emacs or site-wide .emacs files , something like


     (setq auto-mode-alist
             (append '(("\\.hpp$" . c++-mode)
                       ("\\.S$" . asm-mode))

You probably know this, and your suggestions sound sensible still, but I
thought it was worth mentioning that one does not have to wait for 19.15 to
get this sort of behavoir.

Just my $0.02,

Peter



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Oops, of course, that should have been

     (setq auto-mode-alist
             (append '(("\\.hpp$" . c++-mode)
                       ("\\.S$" . asm-mode))
                          auto-mode-alist))

I knew there were some dangling parentheses there....

This is just the self-replying thread, I guess ;)

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Bug in gdbsrc?
Date: 09 Oct 1996 17:10:17 +0200
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Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x gdbsrc'), I always
get the error message 'Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer'. 

/Anders

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Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:

> [Kevin Swan]
> 
> |   What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?
> 
> with complete sources and object files, installed in place, I need 60M.
> this is the amount of disk space needed to build Emacs.  the installed
> version requires 20M lisp files, 3M binary files, and 3M info files.
> you're off by a factor of two, which is pretty good for a prejudiced and
> ignorant comment like yours.

Depending on how you interpret "a basic emacs install" (could be the
process of installing, or the remnants after installation), he could
be off by just 20%, which is pretty bad for the arrogant and
superior-air comment of yours.

I mean, I have installed Emacs and XEmacs in several pretty new
versions myself and would have guessed this estimate not to be bad
(which it really isn't), so I guess I'd have to count as prejudiced
and ignorant as well.

-- 
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gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com (Yevgeny Druy) writes:

> 
> Brian Edmonds writes:
>  > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>  > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
>  > > and/or newsgroup postings?
>  > 
>  > Check out message-default-headers.
>  > 
>  > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
>  >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems* 
>  >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
>  > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
>  > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.
> 
> How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
> allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
> site where can I find description of X-Face format?
> 
> Yevgeny Druy

Here is how I made my X-Face, but I'm sure it's far from the best way:

I downloaded the compface package from some ftp site (just do an
archie search or a web search for this) and built it on my machine.

I then took a 48x48 bitmap (.xbm) file generated by xv and ran the
following conversion routines from pbmplus:

xbmtopbm face.xbm > face.pbm
pbmtoicon face.pbm > face.icon

I then had to hand edit the face.icon file to have the correct number
of columns (3 instead of 8) and stored this in the file face.ikon.
I then used the command:

compface face.ikon > ~/Mail/.face

to produce the X-Face code.  I then inserted the following lisp code
(courtesy of Sylvain Machard) into my .vm file:

(defun mail-insert-x-face ()
  (save-excursion 
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (search-forward mail-header-separator)
    (beginning-of-line nil)
    (if (file-exists-p "~/Mail/.face")
        (xface-insertion)
     )))
 
(defun xface-insertion ()
         (insert "X-Face:")
         (insert-file "~/Mail/.face")
        )
 
(add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
This brings the X-Face into all outgoing mail messages.

Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to make an X-Face
than the method I used, but it did work and I only had to do it once,
so who cares!?!

John Mann

Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the X-Face into
newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

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When I try to print my beautifully highlighted code in color from
xemacs using pretty-print, it actually prints the background color
from my screen behind all of the color characters.  This is fine for
people with white backgrounds (I tried it), but any other background
makes the printout look terrible.  Is there a fix for this, or am I
stuck using a white background?  I'm not sure my eyes can survive
that.

John Mann

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Hi,

I am unable to unsubscribe and resubscribe my new address on the xemacs list.

was uknt@*.att.com (came in many different flavours)
now nickthompson@lucent.com

Could you handle this for me?

Thanks,

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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of their MkLinux
for the powermac.  I've been thinking of trying to see whether or not
XEmacs would build therein, but I've not had the time or the
diskspace.

Any other takers?

Curtis
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gjb@cs.washington.edu (Greg Badros) writes:

> 
> Hi,
>   I was looking through the mail archive and came across a problem with
> XEmacs saying (and thinking) that its asyncronous compilation process
> hasn't finished.  I couldn't find any resolution of the problem later.  I
> observe it as well on my Linux and Solaris 2.4 versions of XEmacs 19.14. 
> It appears to be due to XEmacs not using the system "waitpid(..)" fn
> properly, but I can't tell if there's a fix, or if this is just a bug that
> I can't do much about for now.


This fixed the problem for me, on AIX:

(setq process-connection-type nil)

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Is there any way to configure GNUS to read news from a netscape secure news
server as a foriegn server?  Through a SOCKS proxy server?  Any information
would be greatly appreciated ... the thought of having to use the extremely
losing netscape news reader and composer daily is making me ill.

Thanks,
Greg
greg@alphatech.com


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I finally got XEmacs to start up on my Solaris 2.4 box without any
startup errors, but now when I try to open a file it tells me:

Cannot open load file: xpm-button

Does anybody know what this file is, where it should be, and where I can
get one if I don't already have it?

Thanks,
Matt Kirkwood
kirkwood@LSIL.com

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I've never built XEmacs from scratch -- I've always used the
Dan> pre-built binaries, because they've worked for me.  However,
Dan> sometimes I want to change something in one of Emacs' lisp
Dan> library files and the change doesn't take effect even after
Dan> byte-compiling the .el file and restarting XEmacs.  I gather from
Dan> the fairly sparse documentation on the matter that this is
Dan> because the file I'm modifying is pre-loaded into my XEmacs
Dan> executable, and is thus ignored.

That is the most likely explanation.  To verify, do an explicit
(load "/full/path/to/your/changed.elc")
at XEmacs startup and see if your changes appear.

It's also possible there is a path conflict and XEmacs is loading
something different than what you think it is.  Paths to .elcs can be
queried with the M-x locate-library command.

Dan> Am I just out-of-luck in this situation unless I download the
Dan> full tar file and build my own XEmacs?

Not necessarily, depending on what kind of change you made you can
force load the file (as described above) in your site-lisp.el file.

Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
changes there, or use the excellent advice package for performing
surgery on individual functions.

Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
made?

Dan> Also, is there any way to find out which files have been
Dan> pre-loaded in this way?

Yes.  Take a look at the file lisp/prim/loadup.el.  That file handles
preloading Emacs lisp files prior to dumping.
-- 
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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Peter Spoerri <pspoerri@access.ch> writes:
> > cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> > make -k 
> > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> > Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Do you use Linux and did you upgrade your libc recently, but did not
read the release notes? This is a well-known problem. There is a bug
in GNU make that shows up after upgrading the libraries. At the end of
the release notes, there is the suggested patch. Also, I believe,
there are pre-compiled versions of GNU make that already include this
patch. For the time being, you can always resort to call 
"make -k -f Makefile". Explicitly naming the filename of the makefile
avoids the bug.

If these assumptions do not apply to you, then it might be helpful if
you provided more information about your system configuration. At
first sight, this does not really look like an XEmacs related problem.


Markus

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>>>>> "Luca" == Luca Massasso <massasso@pccnr.polito.it> writes:

Luca> 	My Xemacs is not able to load images in WWW mode.

Luca> 	It says that the following commands are missing:

Luca> 			giftoppm
[1]

Luca> 			pnmdepth
Luca> 			ppmdither
Luca> 			ppmtoxpm

These three programs are in netpbm which you can find at the usual
place you get X11 source code.

[1]
giftoppm, fitstopgm, and pgmtofits are in pbmplus (the earlier version
of netpbm) but not in netpbm.  You can obtain the source code for
those programs from the pbmplus distribution.

If you get the required graphics libraries (see the XEmacs FAQ for
locations), XEmacs 19.14 will show images without the use of helper
programs.
-- 
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> ;;; hide-ifdef-mode.el --- hides selected code within ifdef.
> and is included standard in emacs (lisp/modes/hideif.el in XEmacs).

When I'm using this package the wrong stuff is hidden - know how to
change that?

#define DOG

#ifdef DOG
/* dog */                   <---- this is hidden
#else
/* other stuff */           <---- instead of this
#endif

Please email - thx.

fb

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In article <m2d8yuixii.fsf@scrye.com> Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com> writes:

> I would really love to see seperate XEmacs threads for network access.
> Being able to grab a web page in w3 and still edit
W3 already can do the fetching asynchronously (url-be-asynchronous), but
not the parsing of the page when it arrives. Since fetching is often
quicker and since it comes between you've asked for the page and you're
being able to see the page, it's not quite that useful.

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>> [Kevin Swan]
Kevin> What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?

50 megabytes on emacs is disk space well spent.  A full installation
after source removal is around 20MB, as Erik (and others, see the
XEmacs FAQ have) pointed out.  Installation of XEmacs 19.14 requires
temporarily about 90 megabytes (that's why we also provide binary
distributions).

Considering binary sizes for a moment ...

I find it most interesting the latest vi[1] is as big now as Emacs 18.5x
was (about 500k on a 3b1 for me).

All editors compiled with gcc 2.7.2 on a Linux 2.0/ELF system, with
-O4, no debug, and vi stripped (Emacs and XEmacs not stripped).

$ ll /usr/bin/vi /usr/local/bin/emacs-19.34 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14
-r-xr-xr-x   3 root     root       709612 Oct  9 18:32 /usr/bin/vi*
-rwxr-xr-t   2 root     root      2099198 Aug 25 18:23 /usr/local/bin/emacs-19.34*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      3086835 Jun 22 15:04 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14*


[1]
nvi-1.76 from Berkeley.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Request for 19.15: .hpp files should invoke c++-mode
Date: 09 Oct 1996 21:16:53 -0700
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I wrote:
>> Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

Dan> 	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
Dan> -- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

Your suggestions will be in 19.15.

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From: beaufils@lifl.fr (Bruno "Geos" Beaufils)
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Subject: How to add personal info pages in (X)Emacs ?
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Hello everybody,

I just would like to know if it is possible, and thus how, to add some
personal info pages to the main info tree in such a way they could be read in
XEmacs, as well as in GNUemacs, knowing I can't modify the dir file of
(X)GNUemacs directory.

In XEmacs I just have to modify the INFOPATH variable by adding my personal
info directory (for instance ~/doc/info), and to make a file called localdir
in this directory which describe all my info pages this way :

* topic::	Description of topic.

How may I do for this page to be read by info in GNUemacs ?

Please reply also by mail ...

Thanks in advance.

-Bruno


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Bruno "Geos" Beaufils <beaufils@lifl.fr> writes:

|> Hello everybody,
|> I just would like to know if it is possible, and thus how, to add some
|> personal info pages to the main info tree in such a way they could be read in
|> XEmacs, as well as in GNUemacs, knowing I can't modify the dir file of
|> (X)GNUemacs directory.

|> In XEmacs I just have to modify the INFOPATH variable by adding my personal
|> info directory (for instance ~/doc/info), and to make a file called localdir
|> in this directory which describe all my info pages this way :

|> * topic::	Description of topic.

|> How may I do for this page to be read by info in GNUemacs ?

Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.
-- 
Andreas Schwab                                      "And now for something
schwab@issan.informatik.uni-dortmund.de              completely different"

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From: Keith Refson <keith@earth.ox.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: VM & POP setup
Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:29:26 +0100
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Since the VM documentation is 5 years out of date and I can't find the
answer in the source, I wonder if anyone here can help.

I am downloading my mail using POP, but I'd like to leave it on the
server.  Is there any way of instructing the server not to delete mail
after it has downloaded it?

Keith Refson


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From: Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:40:06 -0400
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The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
have
installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.  

When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
error message:
 "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.

Any ideas what this error msg means, or how I can debug the problem?
P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files, I don't
get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
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From: seamans@hrmis.nlm.nih.gov (James R. Seamans)
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I just download the Xemacs version 19.14 with the Sparcworks flavor. After
starting it up, I found all kinds of strange problems.
	sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks


System: Sun Ultra Os 2.5.1

The following items were missing from the menu tool bar:
sparcworks & VC ...

When Xemacs started up, I received an error:
	Wrong type argument; stringp, nil

Unable to send Mail via the VM package nor was I able to
post news. Both were giving a similar error as above.

Hints??

Now the interesting thing was I also download the 19.14 version
for Sparc systems without the Sparcworks.
	sparc-sun-solaris2.4

Everything works as I would expect.

I'm stumped.

jim



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>>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

    Curtis> Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of
    Curtis> their MkLinux for the powermac.  I've been thinking of
    Curtis> trying to see whether or not XEmacs would build therein,
    Curtis> but I've not had the time or the diskspace.

    Curtis> Any other takers?

I'll look into it, as soon as DR3 is out (have to wait for PCI
support). I remember seeing somebody out there posting a problem with
dumping, but until I get a working MkLinux on my machine I can hardly
help...

Richard.

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Henry Rabinowitz writes:
                <snipped>
 > 
 > When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
 > error message:
 >  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".
 > 
 > The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
 > When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
 > So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
 > i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
 > ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.
                <snipped>

Can't offer a solution, however I too see this very same error message
but *only* when loading files off NFS mounted disks (!).  I have
font-locking on by default, so can't comment as to whether this is
causing the problem.  Similarly, I don't get to see the newly loaded
buffer, but I do get it in the buffer list, and can recover it by
'unburying' it.  Everything works fine if the file system type is UFS
(ie. local) or if I pull it in via efs.

I'm on a DEC Alpha 3500 running OSF/1 v3.0 using XEmacs 19.14.

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        "Re: X-Face insertion" (Oct  9,  9:31am)
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See the XEmacs FAQ, part 5/6 I think.  I figured it out from there.  But if you
want to try and include a picture of yourself, it's not worth the trouble.
 This is because even if your original picture is converted to greyscale, the
XFace only allows black and white, with nothing in between.  So to make your
picture look recognizable after converting it to a bitmap, you'll have to
toggle it bit by bit.  If you have a simple line drawing, it can come out OK,
like my castle.  I wonder how Steve Baur got his XFace picture to come out so
well . . . :-)


On Oct 9,  9:31am, Yevgeny Druy wrote:
> Subject: Re: X-Face insertion
> Brian Edmonds writes:
>  > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>  > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
>  > > and/or newsgroup postings?
>  >
>  > Check out message-default-headers.
>  >
>  > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
>  >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems*
>  >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
>  > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
>  > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.
>
> How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
> allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
> site where can I find description of X-Face format?
>
> Yevgeny Druy
>-- End of excerpt from Yevgeny Druy



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>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:

    John> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
    John> Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to
    John> make an X-Face than the method I used, but it did work
    John> and I only had to do it once, so who cares!?!

I did something similar (without nice things like file-exists-p etc)

    John> Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the
    John> X-Face into newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me. 

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From: Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: [BUG & PATCH] XEmacs 19.14 comint - comint-menu undefined
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In the version of comint distributed with XEmacs 19.14, the package
comint refers to comint-menu which isn't defined. I've appended the
obvious patch.

--Thomas

*** /tmp/RCSAa0025C	Thu Oct 10 17:13:26 1996
--- comint.el	Thu Oct 10 17:02:48 1996
***************
*** 581,587 ****
      (popup-menu (if history
  		    (append comint-popup-menu
  			    (list "---" (cons "Command History" history)))
! 		  comint-menu))))
  
  (defvar comint-history-menu-max 40
    "*Maximum number of entries to display on the Comint command-history menu.")
--- 581,587 ----
      (popup-menu (if history
  		    (append comint-popup-menu
  			    (list "---" (cons "Command History" history)))
! 		  comint-popup-menu))))
  
  (defvar comint-history-menu-max 40
    "*Maximum number of entries to display on the Comint command-history menu.")

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From: ric@isl.sri.com (Ric Steinberger)
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Subject: Moving VC in tools pulldown to main menu
Date: 10 Oct 1996 16:23:15 GMT
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	RCS actually works on Solaris 2.4+ platforms on xemacs-19.14.
But only if accessed from the VC menu under tools; not from the RCS
toolbar choice that appears if (sc-mode 'RCS) is in .xemacs.

	Here's the question:  Is there a way to copy the VC pulldown
choice menu from the tools pulldown to the main pulldown menu, placing it
next to the tools choice?  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-- 
Ric Steinberger                 Email: ric@sri.com
SRI Consulting                  Phone: 415.859.4300
333 Ravenswood Ave  AH301       Pager: 415.907.4598
Menlo Park CA 94025             FAX:   415.859.5092

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From: Jayram Thathachar <jayram@anemone.cs.washington.edu>
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In VM, is it possible, to have the mail files (both the inbox and
folders) stored in the UNIX mailbox format so that other mail readers
like pine would still work. Some of the mail readers get confused with
the header information that VM puts in these files.

thanks,
-jayram.


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From: Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com>
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Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
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Henry Rabinowitz wrote:
> 
> The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
> have
> installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.
> 
> When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
> error message:
>  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".
> 
> The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
> When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
> So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
> i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
> ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.
> 
> Any ideas what this error msg means, or how I can debug the problem?
> P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files, I don't
> get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
> --
> 

following up on a response by Mike Atkinson
<mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>, I notice 
that this problem only occurs with files that are either NFS mounted
themselves, or that are based on SCCS files that are NFS mounted. 
Locally mounted files do not incur this problem 

==========================================================================
> |
> |
> | Henry Rabinowitz,                    Phone: 914-644-2855
> |
> | NYNEX Science & Technology           FAX:   914-644-2404
> |
> | 500 Westchester Ave, 1A-18           email: henryr@nynexst.com
> |
> | White Plains, NY 10604               emoticon: :0)
> |
> |
> |
> ==========================================================================

-- 
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| Henry Rabinowitz,                    Phone: 914-644-2855              
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| NYNEX Science & Technology           FAX:   914-644-2404              
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| 500 Westchester Ave, 1A-18           email: henryr@nynexst.com        
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From: Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu>
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>>>>> "I" == Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> wrote:

>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
    John> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
    John> Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to
    John> make an X-Face than the method I used, but it did work
    John> and I only had to do it once, so who cares!?!

    I> I did something similar (without nice things like
    I> file-exists-p etc)

    John> Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the
    John> X-Face into newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

    I> Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me.

Sorry, I meant message-send-hook.



-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes:
> Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me. 

Thanks for the suggestion - that works great!

John Mann
http://www2.pair.com/wacky/

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From: maj@shell.wco.com (Michael Janson)
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Subject: Need XEMACS Install Help!
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I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of the
answer to this question  :I copied the binaries to my system last night into
/usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib, and it still complains about not
being able to find any of the directories it needs.

Oh, I'm running SunOS 4.1.3 on a SPARC.  There is none of this info
contained in the README which was distributed with it.  Nor does
the FAQ.  There is no INSTALL file distributed with this binary
distribution.



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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem with truncated menu bar and not able to get at right hand side menus.
Date: 10 Oct 1996 16:07:42 -0400
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Hello all,

I would like to make a request for 19.15.

Currently some modes and personally customizations can cause the menu
bar to extend beyond the right hand side of the window.  To get at
these choices we have to resize the window, if we can, in order to see
them.  What I would like to see is an option that I can set say in my
.emacs and/or in Options menu that would cause the menu bar to wrap.
Thus we would have to menu bars on the screen one on top of the
other. To illustrate:


 -----------------------------------------------------------
| File	Edit	Apps	Options	Tools SPARCworks Hyperbole  |
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
| Message                                              Help |
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|   ICON BAR                                                |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

Again though I would like to make this optional and not default.
If you run gnus you know what I mean.

Would any one else like to see this.

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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   "AS" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@lamothe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

    AS >  everybody, |> I just would like to know if it is possible,
    AS >  and thus how, to add some |> personal info pages to the main
    AS >  info tree in such a way they could be read in |> XEmacs, as

    AS >  Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.  -- Andreas Schwab

I would rather opt for this approach. The following in your .emacs
should do the trick: 

(setq Info-default-directory-list
      (append 
	Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/local/teTeX/info/")))

Which will append /usr/local/teTeX/info onto your Info search path.
If you have a file called "dir" inside this directory, it will be
appended to the display of the main dir file...Handy!

-- 
	nicolai

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From: Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com>
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Hello,

I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
reverse for me!  In the following example:

#define FLAG

#ifdef  FLAG
/* stuff for FLAG */
#else
/* stuff not for FLAG */
#endif

you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
but it's just the reverse.

What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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ric@isl.sri.com (Ric Steinberger) writes:

This works for me though I haven't been able to figure out how to
change the name of the menu back to RCS.

(delete-menu-item '("Tools" "VC"))
(delete-menu-item '("Tools" "---"))
(add-menu-button '() vc-menu "")

--jp

+> 
+> 	RCS actually works on Solaris 2.4+ platforms on xemacs-19.14.
+> But only if accessed from the VC menu under tools; not from the RCS
+> toolbar choice that appears if (sc-mode 'RCS) is in .xemacs.
+> 
+> 	Here's the question:  Is there a way to copy the VC pulldown
+> choice menu from the tools pulldown to the main pulldown menu, placing it
+> next to the tools choice?  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
+> 
+> -- 
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When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

(delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

--jp

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> writes:
 >
 >Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
 >prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
 >changes there, 

	Ah, that will bypass the pre-loaded version?  Or do I still need to do
an explicit (load "...")?

 >or use the excellent advice package for performing surgery on individual
 >functions.

	Well, a complaint around here about XEmacs is that it takes way too
long to load (compared to, say, vi), and so recently I've been tuning it to
come up a lot quicker.  Unforunately, the advice package slows startup by
quite a bit (lots and lots of garbage collection, etc.).

 >Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
 >made?

	The most recent thing I was trying to do was change the definition of
auto-mode-alist in files.el to incorporate the changes I requested for 19.15.
I didn't want everyone using XEmacs to have to append to the auto-mode-alist
in their .emacs files.  The solution in this case was to append to the the
list in the site-start.el file.

 >Dan> Also, is there any way to find out which files have been
 >Dan> pre-loaded in this way?
 >
 >Yes.  Take a look at the file lisp/prim/loadup.el.  That file handles
 >preloading Emacs lisp files prior to dumping.

	Thanks for the pointer.

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Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

Curtis> Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of
Curtis> their MkLinux for the powermac.  I've been thinking of
Curtis> trying to see whether or not XEmacs would build therein,
Curtis> but I've not had the time or the diskspace.

Richard Cognot  <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> wrote:

Richard> I'll look into it, as soon as DR3 is out (have to wait for PCI
Richard> support). I remember seeing somebody out there posting a problem with
Richard> dumping, but until I get a working MkLinux on my machine I can hardly
Richard> help...

My roommate has managed to compile XEmacs for MkLinux DR2 after some
effort (caveats below).  The process involved applying Redhat's patches
for Emacs (this involves unpacking the ppc-compatible source code RPMs
which we got it from ftp://ftp.redhat.com) and then debugging a problem
with unexec using MAP_PRIVATE instead of MAP_SHARED:  the wrong #ifdef code
was being used (we haven't figured out why yet:  the right symbol is
defined in the config file, but was not defined when that point in the
code was reached).

Finally, it built, but the program is unstable:  it takes three
invocations before it will come up and stay up and then crashes at
seemingly random times.  We get no core files (I believe the DR2 does
not support them yet) and running from within the debugger has been no
help either.

He is still working on it with various people having volunteered to
help;  I believe he's giving updates on his progress on the MkLinux
mailing list if you care to tune in.

[I am purposely omitting his email address for now; when he gets
 something stable, he'll announce here.]

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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

That's what it is, that's the behavior I always see.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Is this in VM I presume?  You might try checking your initialization
for that.  I don't use VM, and a quick scan of the code didn't show
anything obviously redefining it.

J> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


J> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

J> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
J> fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
J> I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

Key bindings are local to modes and buffers, so they can be different
depending on which mode you're in or which buffer you're in.  This is
a feature.  Repeat whatever it is you do to get the results above, and
do C-h w delete-frame.

The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
However, you would be seeing that everywhere and not just in some
buffers.
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Howdy,

I seem to be having a small problem setting up supercite for Xemacs --
as per the faq I added this line 

(add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)

But whenever I use the reply-option in VM, it says symbol-definition
void 'sc-cite-original. What could I be missing?


--
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Hi.

As the you can see from the subject, I was just wondering if it is possible to 
use norwegian characters in XEmacs and if it is, how?



If you could send a copy of your response to my e-mail address...


Cheers,

BTJ

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>>>>> "JA" == Jari Aalto <ssjaaa@uta.fi> writes:

JA> In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
JA> language one uses.

$ for f in *; do
>  <do something with $f>
>  <do something else with $f>
>  <do yet another thing with $f>
> done

I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

[...]

JA> But it's good to know the csh limitations, or advantages (that's why
JA> I use it, it has nice :e :h etc. modifiers for variables.)

bash and ksh have nearly all the features of the C shells, including
tcsh, but without the limitations.  And bash is free.

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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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In article <m2ohiadtns.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


> The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
> olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
No, because C-h k tells him it's delete-frame. It's an emacs thing.

The standard procedure in such cases: test it in "xemacs -q" mode to see if
your .emacs (and .vm or somesuch, if any) are to blame.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
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In article <325CFCB6.41C67EA6@nynexst.com> Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:

> Any ideas what this error msg means,
No.

> or how I can debug the problem?
  (setq debug-on-error t), then post the backtrace here

> P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files
Do you mean "getting them into a buffer"? Then this is called "visiting"
them; loading is when you load an .el[c] to customize/add functions.

> ...I don't get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
How does this follow?

Try starting emacs and skipping your .emacs file (use the -q option), then
you'll see if it's caused by your .emacs

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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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In article <vw919ez6el.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
	jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.
> 
> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.
> 
> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> 
> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):
> 
> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.
> 
> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(
> 
> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
> fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
> I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

When posting reports like this, it's helpful to supply details of your
operating environment.  In this case, I'll take a guess.

You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
manual page) is to put:

  olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

in your .Xdefaults or wherever you get your resources from.

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Subject: Compiling xemacs 19.14 under NCR sysv4.3
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Hi there.

I have a small problem. When trying to compile the glyphs.c, I get som strange error 
messages:

(EOF):undefined name: ..b3656.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3640.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3636.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3637
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3632.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3633
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3626
(EOF):undefined name: ..d1

I can't seem to find the reason for this. 

The system I am trying to compile it on is defined as: i486-ncr-sysv4.3

Any help us apreciated..

It would be nice if you could send a copy of the response to my e-mail address.


Cheers,

BTJ


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To: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
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Vladimir Alexiev writes:
 > In article <325CFCB6.41C67EA6@nynexst.com> Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:
 > 
 > > or how I can debug the problem?
 >   (setq debug-on-error t), then post the backtrace here
 > 
 > > P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files
 > Do you mean "getting them into a buffer"? Then this is called "visiting"
 > them; loading is when you load an .el[c] to customize/add functions.
 > 
 > Try starting emacs and skipping your .emacs file (use the -q option), then
 > you'll see if it's caused by your .emacs

OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
loading a file off an NFS mounted disk (this one is mounted read
only).  Here's the backtrace obtained when trying to "visit" such a
file.  This was obtained after invoking XEmacs 19.14 with the "-q"
argument on an Alpha 3500 running OSF/1 v3.0 - although the original
poster was on a Sun (I think).

I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??

Signalling: (file-error "Searching for program" "no such file or directory" "prs")
  call-process-internal("prs" nil t nil "-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx")
  apply(call-process-internal "prs" nil t nil ("-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx"))
  call-process("prs" nil t nil "-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx")
  vc-status("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx" SCCS)
  vc-mode-line("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  vc-find-file-hook()
  run-hooks(find-file-hooks)
  after-find-file(nil t)
  find-file-noselect("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  find-file("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  call-interactively(find-file)

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To: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
Cc: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu,
        henryr@nynexst.com
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Mike Atkinson writes:
 > OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
 > loading a file off an NFS mounted disk...
 > 
 > I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
 > seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??
 > 

Following my own post...Trials show that this *is* due to the files
being under SCCS control.  A file not under version control on the
disk gave no errors when visited.  As I don't have SCCS on my platform
I can't get any more info.

As I'm not interested in version control from within the editor, I can
get round the problem by removing the vc-find-file-hook, but this
doesn't solve the problem for those who do need such control.

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Bjorn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I have a small problem. When trying to compile the glyphs.c, I get som strange error
> messages:
> 
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3656.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3640.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3636.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3637
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3632.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3633
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3626
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d1
> 
> I can't seem to find the reason for this.
> 
> The system I am trying to compile it on is defined as: i486-ncr-sysv4.3
> 
> Any help is apreciated..
> 
> It would be nice if you could send a copy of the response to my e-mail address.
> 

Well, I found the solution. I had to discard the -g flag to the C-compiler.
But know I have come to another problem. After temacs has been build, it start 
loading lips files. All seems to go well until it loads paths.el. After that the 
make process hangs and I have to kill it. Does anyone know how I can get around this 
little problem?


Cheers,
BTJ


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We have been having problems with students using xemacs 
on x terminals and  not shutting it down before logging out. 
The xemacs process runs in a loop consuming memory. How to
prevent this ?

This is the binary sparc-sunos xemacs 19.14
  Iabn Moor
 

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Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

>There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
>where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
>to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
>submenu.
>
>What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
>visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.
>
>Is there anything like this anywhere?

Sounds like the package recent-files will do what you want.  It comes
with XEmacs (at least recent versions of it).  I believe all you need
do to use it is add the following two lines to your init file(s):

   (require 'recent-files)
   (recent-files-initialize)

Alas, as is, recent-files does not work with GNU Emacs.  But I
recently contacted the author of the package (since I'm using GNU
Emacs and would like to use the package), and coincidentally he is now
using GNU Emacs himself, so perhaps mods to get it to work with GNU
Emacs will be forthcoming.

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>>>>> On 11 Oct 1996 08:19:00 GMT, Des Herriott said:

> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
> manual page) is to put:

>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

> in your .Xdefaults or wherever you get your resources from.

Another approach is to just change the menu accelerator bindings
that you don't want.  The advantage is that you can still use other
menu accelerators; the possible disadvantage is that it affects all
clients.  I set the following resources to allow emacs to receive
Meta-w and Meta-q:

olwm.MenuAccelerator.OpenClose:
olwm.MenuAccelerator.Quit:

-- 
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If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
to its standard output:

xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
  after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.
-- 
Josef Sachs (sachs@panix.com)

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graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden) writes:

>   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
> XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
> IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

It would be nice to be able to get new news, without having everything
else freeze up. Over a relatively slow link, the whole process of
getting news is a dog. (I've tried various optimizations such as not
reading the whole active file and that sort of thing, but I read so
many groups that it's faster to read the whole active file first :-)

Anyway, if it takes 5 or 10 minutes to get new news, which is about
how long it takes me, I'd like to be able to deal with email, or keep
working on other buffers, etc...

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I specify XEmacs' size with X resources:

! Use two frames next to one another.
Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry: 81x70+756+11
Emacs*GseFrame2.geometry:  81x70+233+11

This works fine, except during startup: while my .emacs is running, the
messages that go to the modeline aren't visible.  I can the the tops of 
the letters poking out of the bottom of my startup frame, but it looks 
like XEmacs thinks the frame is one line longer than it actually is.
Everything cleans up and looks fine once startup is done.

Is this a known problem?  User error?  Does anyone know of a fix?


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From: rkneusel@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Robert Kneusel)
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HI,

I'm using xemacs-19.14 on HP/UX and ever since I upgraded to 19.14 I
am having trouble with the 'compile' button.  The program compiles,
and the errors/warning are displayed.  When I click the center button
on the error, it brings up the nice dialog window to open a file, even
though the source file is already open!  The only way it works is if I
keep typing in the name of the source file for every error I want to
jump to.  Very annoying.  Is there something I can do to correct this?

Thanks in advance,

- Bob
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From: tuan@kauai.kauai (Tuan Hoang)
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Hi,

Is there a way in Xemacs( or Emacs) to do the reverse of
narrow-to-region command? In other word, sometimes I want to select
the regions I'd like to "hide" and edit the rest of the buffer. It's
sort of like something i've seen in Xedit editor on VMS.

Any idea would be appreciated.

Thanks


Tuan Hoang
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From: matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Matthew Novi)
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Hi,

I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

Thanks,
Matt


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I'm having trouble adding a new compiler to the
compilation-error-regexp-alist. I tried to do it by adding the new alist
entry in the compile mode hook. xemacs doesn't appear to see my changes to
the alist.

If you have any insight into this problem, please email me directly at:
kevin.goodman@canada.cdev.com

Thanks!

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From: bmayer@pms995.pms.ford.com (B.Mayer)
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Subject: Re: Xemacs mode for C++
Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:57:26 GMT
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Kevin M. Cutts (cutts@ukraine.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: In article <yehDyxIDI.58J@netcom.com>, yeh@netcom.com (Zhenghao Yeh) wrote:

: > How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
: > I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
: > Thanks 
: C++ is actually just a special variety of c mode. You can invoke it with:
: M-x c++-mode

: Xemacs should start it for you if the file suffix is based on the generally
: accepted .cc or was it .cpp or maybe .cp.

I have modified a segment of my .emacs (started from sample.emacs)
to include the file extensions I have encountered:

;; This adds additional extensions which indicate files normally
;; handled by cc-mode.
;; Brian added cxx, pc, and sql
(setq auto-mode-alist
  (append '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.cxx$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.c$"  . c-mode)
		("\\.pc$"  . c-mode)
		("\\.sql$"  . sql-mode)
		("\\.h$"  . c-mode))
	  auto-mode-alist))

--
Brian R. Mayer                                           Regulatory Systems
bmayer@ford.com                                          Ford Motor Company

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From: jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (John W. Coomes)
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Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
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mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:
> Mike Atkinson writes:
>  > OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
>  > loading a file off an NFS mounted disk...
>  > 
>  > I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
>  > seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??
> 
> Following my own post...Trials show that this *is* due to the files
> being under SCCS control.  A file not under version control on the
> disk gave no errors when visited.  As I don't have SCCS on my platform
> I can't get any more info.

On my solaris 2.5 machine, "man prs" gives

	sccs-prs(1)               User Commands               sccs-prs(1)

	NAME
	     sccs-prs, prs - display selected portions of an SCCS history
	SYNOPSIS
	     /usr/ccs/bin/prs [ -ael ] [ -cdate-time ] [ -ddataspec ]
		  [ -rsid ] s.filename ...
	...

which suggests that you need sccs installed and in your path.
-- 
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                                       U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu                    2401 W. Springfield Ave.
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In <m2ohiadtns.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
>olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
>However, you would be seeing that everywhere and not just in some
>buffers.

olvwm (at least the most recent version) by default uses M-q as
a quick kill window function.

--
Ken Bibb        (voice) 415-933-7865 - (fax) 415-390-6236
kbibb@csd.sgi.com	         Global Technology Center
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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: How to add personal info pages in (X)Emacs ?
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>>>>> "Nicolai" == Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@bigbro.demon.co.uk> writes:

>    "AS" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@lamothe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
>     AS >  everybody, |> I just would like to know if it is possible,
>     AS >  and thus how, to add some |> personal info pages to the main
>     AS >  info tree in such a way they could be read in |> XEmacs, as

>     AS >  Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.  -- Andreas Schwab

> I would rather opt for this approach. The following in your .emacs
> should do the trick: 

> (setq Info-default-directory-list
>       (append 
> 	Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/local/teTeX/info/")))

> Which will append /usr/local/teTeX/info onto your Info search path.
> If you have a file called "dir" inside this directory, it will be
> appended to the display of the main dir file...Handy!

Info seems to have some Emacs-specific "features", so the answer to this
question depends on which Emacs you are using.  Unless something has changed
lately, the XEmacs FAQ has the method for this at:

    http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu:80/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_11


-- 
==================================================================
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==================================================================
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From: Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de>
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Subject: tm-vm and tm-gnus
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Hi !

We just installed tm7.89 on xemacs-19.14 and so we have some questions.

1. How can I disable tm from automatical executing preview of a message?
   I want to execute previewing only by command.

2. If I want to forward a message the original message isn't copied
   to the forward buffer . What is the easiest way to get it into this
   buffer and how can I setup vm to copy it by default.

3. If I want to insert a message in output buffer only the mime-header (eg.
	[2 gif -file <image/gif>] )  is copied to the buffer,but no contents.

4. When I receive a forwarded message containing a multipart-message ,
   how can I extract this message to a mail-folder or how can I
   preview/decode these parts ?

5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news or mails?

		Thanks , Lutz


-- 
Lutz Kittler                        E-Mail : Lutz.Kittler@sse-erfurt.de

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From: Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com>
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Richard Pieri writes:
>>>>>> "JA" == Jari Aalto <ssjaaa@uta.fi> writes:

JA> In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
JA> language one uses.

> $ for f in *; do
>> <do something with $f>
>> <do something else with $f>
>> <do yet another thing with $f>
>> done

> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

% foreach f (*.C)
? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
? end

I use csh in my shell (in emacs, of course), and ksh in real shell
programming.  What you learn is what you use.  I still use awk/sed/grep,
and not perl.

-- 
Colin

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Henry Rabinowitz writes:

> The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
> have installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.

> When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
> error message:
>  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

The problem (as you discovered) is that the file is under SCCS control.

One option (as you discovered) is to remove `vc-find-file-hook' from
your `find-file-hooks'.

A better option, if you have SCCS somewhere, is to have the directory
with `prs' in your path.  This should be named /usr/sccs/bin (or
something like that).

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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 21:12:54 +0200
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Des Herriott (des@corp.netcom.net.uk) wrote:
> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
> manual page) is to put:
>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

But if XEmacs never sees M-q, how can you explain this:

> > However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> > (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):
> > delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.

It seems like an XEmacs problem to me. :(

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Subject: Re: hideif.el help needed
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>>>>> "Farhad" == Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com> writes:

> I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
> reverse for me!  In the following example:

> #define FLAG

> #ifdef  FLAG
> /* stuff for FLAG */
> #else
> /* stuff not for FLAG */
> #endif

> you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
> but it's just the reverse.

> What am I doing wrong?

I think you'd find that even if you deleted the #define statement, it would
still work the same.  This hideif.el package does not parse #define
statements.  You use the hide-ifdef-define command to define the variable and
then use hide-ifdefs to get the effect you wanted.  Read the comments in the
hideif.el file.

-- 
==================================================================
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From: KuMan <kuman@geocities.com>
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Subject: how to compile C?
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Hello:

	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?

	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

Thank You
-- 
KuMan

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Hello,

I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
reverse for me!  In the following example:

#define FLAG

#ifdef  FLAG
/* stuff for FLAG */
#else
/* stuff not for FLAG */
#endif

you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
but it's just the reverse.

What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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Subject: Re: how to compile C?
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KuMan (kuman@geocities.com) wrote:
> 	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?
> 	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

I don't know about Xemacs, but in XEmacs you compile typing M-x
compile.

You go to a particular line by typing M-g (or M-x goto-line).

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.  
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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Hi, Folks:

How can I run another program in a window if Xemacs without using 
'M-x shell'?
-- 

Gang Wang

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From: Jim Lekas <jbl@tfs.com>
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Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
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Zhenghao Yeh wrote:
> 
> Hi! There,
> 
> I have a habit to write code like this:
> 
> while (true)
> {
>   do something;
>   ... ;
> }
> 
> However Xemacs automatically gives me this:
> 
> while (true)
>   {
>   do something;
>   .......
>   }
> 
> I really don't like it.
> Now Xemacs can change it to:
> 
> while (true) {
>   do something;
>   .... ;
> }
> 
> I don't like it neither.
> 
> I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP
> files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?
> 
> Oh, the other thing, why the C++ keywords such as "class", "private" and
> "int" are not highlighted? Is it my responsibility to do that? How?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Yeh

Dear colleage:

I'm no expert on XEMACS, but I happened to be looking at cc-mode
yesterday.  There are many helpful comments in cc-mode.el.
In particular, look at the list of pre-defined formats in c-style-alist.
Try executing c-set-style interactively to change modes (e.g. M-x c-set-style).
Also look at c-offsets-alist.  You can use c-set-offset interactively
to change offsets, once you figure out the name of the offset you care about.
Below is an excerpt from cc-mode.el, and the piece of my .emacs which
selects the "bsd" indentation style.

;; If your Emacs comes with cc-mode already (and as of 18-Jan-1996,
;; XEmacs 19.13 and Emacs 19.30 both do), you only need to add the
;; following to use the latest version of cc-mode:
;;
;; (load "cc-mode")
;;

;; There are four major mode entry points provided by this package,
;; one for editing C++ code, one for editing C code (both K&R and
;; ANSI), one for editing Objective-C code, and one for editing Java
;; code.  The commands are M-x c-mode, M-x c++-mode, M-x objc-mode,
;; and M-x java-mode.

;; If you are using an old version of Emacs which does not come
;; with cc-mode.el, you will need to do these things
;; to use it:
;;
;; (autoload 'c++-mode  "cc-mode" "C++ Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'c-mode    "cc-mode" "C Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'objc-mode "cc-mode" "Objective-C Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'java-mode "cc-mode" "Java Editing Mode" t)
;; (setq auto-mode-alist
;;   (append '(("\\.C$"    . c++-mode)
;;             ("\\.cc$"   . c++-mode)
;;             ("\\.c$"    . c-mode)
;;             ("\\.h$"    . c-mode)
;;             ("\\.m$"    . objc-mode)
;;             ("\\.java$" . java-mode)
;;            ) auto-mode-alist))
;;
;; You do not need these changes in Emacs versions that come with cc-mode.

(load "cc-mode")

(defun c-mode-hook() 
  ;; (setq c-basic-offset 4)
  (setq c-file-style "bsd")
  )
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'c-mode-hook)

-- 
James Lekas, Software Engineer
TRW Enterprise Solutions, 300 Lakeside Drive, Oakland CA 94612-3540
(510)645-3664

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Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
> $ for f in *; do
> >  <do something with $f>
> >  <do something else with $f>
> >  <do yet another thing with $f>
> > done
> 
> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

% foreach f (*)
foreach? echo $f
foreach? grep foo $f
foreach? cat $f > /dev/null
foreach? end
% <lots of output>

Works fine; did I miss something?

-- Mark Hood

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: RCS: Does it still work in 19.14?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:57:01 -0500
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Ric Steinberger wrote:
> 
> I haven't used RCS in xemacs in about 6 months.  last time was with xemacs
> 19.13, and it worked fine.  Now, after I check out a file, xemacs' RCS menu
> pulldown still shows a choice to check it out, instead of check it in.
> Command line RCS works fine.  Do I need to do something different?
> 
> (sc-mode 'RCS)
> 
> is the .xemacs startup line I use.  Other RCS pulldown menu choices
> seem to work OK.
> 
> Please respond via email, if possible, as I don't get to read the xemacs
> newsgroup as often as I'd like.  Thansk in advance to all who reply....

I'm having this problem with 19.14 on HP-UX 9.04 also.  Does anyone have
a fix?

MikeB

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

Joel> See the XEmacs FAQ, part 5/6 I think.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_10

Joel> I figured it out from there.  But if you want to try and include
Joel> a picture of yourself, it's not worth the trouble.

Joel> This is because even if your original picture is converted to
Joel> greyscale, the XFace only allows black and white, with nothing
Joel> in between.  So to make your picture look recognizable after
Joel> converting it to a bitmap, you'll have to toggle it bit by bit.
Joel> If you have a simple line drawing, it can come out OK, like my
Joel> castle.  I wonder how Steve Baur got his XFace picture to come
Joel> out so well . . . :-)

That's not how I would have described it, but ...

The original jpeg it was taken from is on my home page.  I did most of
the conversion with XV.  I cut out the 48x48 pixel section with my
face on it, and did a lot of colormap fiddling before saving it out as
bitmap.  XV has a color editor which is pretty useful for that.  The
basic idea being that you massage the Intensity curve so that it looks
something like an ess.  The location of the downward portion depends
on the color distribution in the picture, and trial and error seems
about the only approach for narrowing it down further.  I think this
is documented in the XV manual.

It comes out light on a dark background due to the lighting in the
picture.  I did some experimentation trying to invert it, but the
results were *really* bad.  So I ended up leaving it alone.

An X-Face is 48x48x1 pixels, so you can't expect a picture to look
nice, and the drawings (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's Gnu drawn by Luis
Fernandes, and Richard Cognot's 5 pointed star and circle, to name two
notable examples) do seem to work the best.
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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
come up with that gave that particular output was:

(define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))

This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
what you're doing ;-).

J> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


J> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

Wrong type argument: commandp, (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xbf6> t)

There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.
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>>>>> "Bharath" == Bharath Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Bharath> Howdy,

Bharath> I seem to be having a small problem setting up supercite for
Bharath> Xemacs -- as per the faq I added this line

Bharath> (add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)

Bharath> But whenever I use the reply-option in VM, it says
Bharath> symbol-definition void 'sc-cite-original. What could I be
Bharath> missing?

I goofed.  The instructions should read:
(add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)
(autoload 'sc-cite-original "supercite")


Is there a good reason why sc-cite-original isn't designated an
autoloaded function?
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

Anders> Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x
Anders> gdbsrc'), I always get the error message 'Cannot determine
Anders> current-gdb-buffer'.

Yes, but not in the way you describe.  When I start it that way I get
a weird value for the path[1], but not the error message.  You will
get that error message if for some reason gdb mode doesn't start.
Does M-x gdb by itself work?

Current directory is /tmp
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.14 (i486-linux), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...

"C": not in executable format: Is a directory

Core was generated by `/bin/ls --8bit --color=tty -F -T 0 -F'.
Program terminated with signal 3, Quit.
#0  0x40075b44 in ?? ()

[1]
To be fixed in 19.15.
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>>>>> "Josef" == Josef Sachs <sachs@panix.com> writes:

Josef> If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the
Josef> "Exit..."  item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop
Josef> printing the following to its standard output:
 ...
Josef> Is there a patch or workaround for this?  I'm running
Josef> xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.

No patch that I'm aware of.  I've observed this behavior at times
under Linux & OpenWindows/olvwm as well.

The workaround is to always exit XEmacs before you quit OpenWindows.
Works for me.
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haro@sesam.dnv.no (Hans A. Rosbach) wrote:

>Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il> writes:

>> 
>> >>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:
>> 
>>     >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
>>     >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
>>     >> etc...)?.

There is another character I am searching for:

How can I get a ~ (tilde)?

I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ's.

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I have probelms compiling xemacs under ultrix. Is there anybody
outhere that had succesfully compiled xemacs under ultrix?

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

   >>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

   Anders> Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x
   Anders> gdbsrc'), I always get the error message 'Cannot determine
   Anders> current-gdb-buffer'.

   Yes, but not in the way you describe.  When I start it that way I get
   a weird value for the path[1], but not the error message.  You will
   get that error message if for some reason gdb mode doesn't start.
   Does M-x gdb by itself work?

I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no problems.
Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the same XEmacs) is just
fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work fine with no err msgs.
This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.


   Current directory is /tmp
   GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
    under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
   There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
   GDB 4.14 (i486-linux), Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...

   "C": not in executable format: Is a directory

   Core was generated by `/bin/ls --8bit --color=tty -F -T 0 -F'.
   Program terminated with signal 3, Quit.
   #0  0x40075b44 in ?? ()


Nerver seen this.


   [1]
   To be fixed in 19.15.


-- 
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I am haveing trouble getting the options right to print
on the command line i normaly do 
lp -ducchp2 -oduplex filename
so i tried to put this in my .emacs file
(setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2 -oduplex"))
but this didnt help
could some one explain this to me?

steven



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[The original copy of Rick's message never reached the local news
spool :-(, thank goodness for nnweb and dejanews :-)]

>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:
>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

sb> That is because they are being matched with the
sb> ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
sb> default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.

Rick> Thanks, Steve, I found it and it was set to ".".

Ouch!  Sorry about that.  I just found that setting in the
sample.emacs.

Rick> Now I want to set it so that lower case extensions are binary
Rick> transfers and upper case (like ".DAT") are ascii. Can this be
Rick> done easily?

I think so.

Try using a match string like:
\\.[a-z]+$

Something like

(require 'ange-ftp)
(setq ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp 
      (concat ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp
	      "\\|\\.[a-z]+$"))

should do it.

Rick> This is my first choice since the PC I communicate with always
Rick> saves filenames in upper case.

Rick> My second choice would be to define a new variable
Rick> ange-ftp-ascii-file-name-regexp. Maybe this is useful in any
Rick> case.

ange-ftp is kind of up-in-the-air right now.  We've promised efs as a
replacement package, but I'm not sure that's still on (for 19.15).  I
feel real dubious about adding new features to a package that will be
phased out.

Rick> BTW I vote Steve the most helpful person on the usenet.

Thanks.  The person I'd vote for would be Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen.
The amount of quality code he writes *plus* the amount of time he
spends patiently answering questions is astonishing.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be interested in a PS
version or a single-page HTML version. Any pointers welcome!


--
bharath [shashi@cs.purdue.edu]




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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Goodman <kevin.goodman@canada.cdev.com> writes:

Kevin> I'm having trouble adding a new compiler to the
Kevin> compilation-error-regexp-alist. I tried to do it by adding the
Kevin> new alist entry in the compile mode hook. xemacs doesn't appear
Kevin> to see my changes to the alist.

It worked when I tried it.  This variable should look something like:

(("re1" i1 j1 k1) ("re2" i2 j2 k2) ("re3" i3 j3 k3))

Where each of the re's are ugly looking regular expression strings.
Do a C-h v compilation-error-regexp-alist to see what the other fields
are.

To append to the end:
(setq compilation-error-regexp-alist
      (append compilation-error-regexp-alist
              (list '("re"))))

To prepend to the beginning:
(setq compilation-error-regexp-alist
      (cons "re" compilation-error-regexp-alist))

Note that this variable is local to a specific compilation buffer.  So
if you change it, the changes to the variable will not be reflected
until you rerun the compiler.

My best guess is you didn't realize the buffer local aspect, attempted
to change the variable and expected the *compilation* buffer to
immediately reflect the updated value.
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>>>>> "Tuan" == Tuan Hoang <tuan@kauai.kauai> writes:
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please correct your news reading software.  That is not a valid email
address.

Tuan> Hi,
Tuan> Is there a way in Xemacs( or Emacs) to do the reverse of
Tuan> narrow-to-region command? In other word, sometimes I want to select
Tuan> the regions I'd like to "hide" and edit the rest of the buffer. It's
Tuan> sort of like something i've seen in Xedit editor on VMS.

I'd suggest trying outline-mode or one of the folding modes (see
lisp/utils/foldout.el for one supplied with XEmacs).  There's just
been some discussion in this newsgroup of the various folding modes,
so if your news server has already expired the messages, they will
still be on dejanews.

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>>>>> "KuMan" == KuMan  <kuman@geocities.com> writes:

KuMan> Hello:
KuMan> 	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?

M-x compile

(Also available on the toolbar)

KuMan> 	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

If you know the line number (using line 453 as an example)
M-x goto-line 453

By default, goto-line is bound to `M-g'.

C-s and C-r (isearch-forward and isearch-backward) are useful if you
don't know the line number, but know a pattern.

For languages like C & C++ the etags facility can be quite useful for
locating functions.  Run the etags program installed with XEmacs over
all the source of a program, then you can load a file move the cursor
over a specific function call, hit M-. and have the source for the
function brought up.

If searching for function calls in just one buffer, there's also
func-menu.  See the sample.emacs (Help->Sample .emacs from the
menubar) included with XEmacs for examples of how to configure it into
your setup.

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>>>>> "Bharat" == Bharat Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

    Bharat> Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be
    Bharat> interested in a PS version or a single-page HTML
    Bharat> version. Any pointers welcome!

Bharat, check out the info pages, they're pretty good.

-- 
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Hecking <lhecking@nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:

Lars> I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no
Lars> problems.  Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the
Lars> same XEmacs) is just fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work
Lars> fine with no err msgs.  This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.

I still cannot duplicate this.  However, would you please try this
patch to gdbsrc.el and see if it fixes things?


*** gdbsrc.el~	Tue Jun 18 15:26:54 1996
--- gdbsrc.el	Sat Oct 12 17:00:13 1996
***************
*** 294,301 ****
        (and (eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)	; doesn't work w/ energize yet
  	   (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
  	   ;; XEmacs change:
! 	   (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
! 	   (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t))
        (error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"))
  ;;;   (set-process-filter 
  ;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-filter)
--- 294,302 ----
        (and (eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)	; doesn't work w/ energize yet
  	   (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
  	   ;; XEmacs change:
! 	   (progn
! 	     (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
! 	     (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t)))
        (error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"))
  ;;;   (set-process-filter 
  ;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-filter)


(Apply the patch with the patch program by cd'ing to the directory
where gdbsrc.el is, feeding this message as standard input to it, and
then rebytecompiling gdbsrc.el with the command
`xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile gdbsrc.el').
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> writes:

sb> Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
sb> prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
sb> changes there, 

Dan> Ah, that will bypass the pre-loaded version?  Or do I still need
Dan> to do an explicit (load "...")?

No, it won't bypass pre-loaded versions, but it will bypass
auto-loaded versions.  It's also not a good idea to make changes
directly to the base files as it will make it more difficult for you
to upgrade to the next version.

sb> or use the excellent advice package for performing surgery on individual
sb> functions.

Dan> Well, a complaint around here about XEmacs is that it takes way
Dan> too long to load (compared to, say, vi), and so recently I've
Dan> been tuning it to come up a lot quicker.

Grab the source and rebuild it from scratch.  The irritatingly long
load time can be handled in several ways.  One is to just load XEmacs
once in the morning and use the same session all day (grab some coffee
while it is starting up :-) ).  The second is to preload all your
favorite packages into your dumped XEmacs.  This trades off executable
size for much faster startup (the running executables will be more
virtual memory friendly even if larger, since the extra packages
will be shared by all XEmacs processes instead of duplicated in each
process space).

The disadvantage of putting more stuff in the base program is you can't
easily change it without redumping XEmacs (as you have discovered),
and it's always there whether you use it or not.  On the other hand,
the advantages are that load time is considerably improved, and it is
more efficient in terms of virtual memory to have multiple XEmacsen
use preloaded libraries, than it is to autoload the libraries into
each one.

Dan> Unforunately, the advice package slows startup by quite a bit
Dan> (lots and lots of garbage collection, etc.).

Yes, that's correct.  It's also not necessarily a good package to have
in a dumped XEmacs either due to its interaction with the bytecompiler.
On the other hand, if that was the only package you were autoloading
at startup, it wouldn't be so bad.

sb> Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
sb> made?

Dan> The most recent thing I was trying to do was change the
Dan> definition of auto-mode-alist in files.el to incorporate the
Dan> changes I requested for 19.15.  I didn't want everyone using
Dan> XEmacs to have to append to the auto-mode-alist in their .emacs
Dan> files.  The solution in this case was to append to the the list
Dan> in the site-start.el file.

Exactly.


If you do decide to build a complete version from source and add more
packages that are preloaded, you will also have to modify the PURESIZE
constant.  This can be done at configuration time with
`configure --puresize=NEWVALUE' (NEWVALUE is specified in bytes), or
by manually editing the src/config.h file.

My installation of XEmacs 19.14 uses 635972 byte of purespace (the
area where preloaded lisp is put).
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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood@lsil.com> writes:

Matt> I finally got XEmacs to start up on my Solaris 2.4 box without any
Matt> startup errors, but now when I try to open a file it tells me:

Matt> Cannot open load file: xpm-button

Matt> Does anybody know what this file is, where it should be, and
Matt> where I can get one if I don't already have it?

It should be in the distribution.  I see it in
lisp/utils/xpm-button.el.

Whenever you have a problem like this, it is frequently a good idea to
select `Options -> General Options -> Debug on Error' from the
menubar, and post the Lisp stack backtrace as well.

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Goldstein <rickg@eng.sun.com> writes:

Richard> I've migrated to xemacs 19.14 recently from GNU, and 
Richard> one thing that bugs the %$&^ out of me is that dbx/gud
Richard> mode beeps and complains that the Mark isn't set right
Richard> every time I hit return to execute a dbx command.  Is
Richard> there a way around this, or is someone trying to annoy
Richard> me into using eos/workshop mode?  Thx,

Please select Options->General Options->Debug on Error from the
menubar, repeat the error and post/email me the lisp backtrace you
get.

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matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Matthew Novi) writes:
> I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
> tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
> it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
> of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
> this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

You should have a look at the program "indent". Maybe it will just do
what you need. I attached an excerpt from its manual page:

man> NAME
man>        indent  - changes the appearance of a C program by insert-
man>        ing or deleting whitespace.
man> 
man> SYNOPSIS
man>        indent [-bad] [-bap] [-bbb] [-bc] [-bl] [-bliN] [-br] [-cN] [-cdN]
man>             [-cdb] [-ce] [-ciN] [-cliN] [-cpN] [-cs] [-bs] [-dN] [-diN]
man>             [-fc1] [-fca] [-gnu] [-iN] [-ipN] [-kr] [-lN] [-lp] [-nbad]
man>             [-nbap] [-nbbb] [-nbc] [-ncdb] [-nce] [-ncs] [-nfc1] [-nfca]
man>             [-nip] [-nlp] [-npcs] [-npsl] [-nsc] [-nsob] [-nss] [-nv]
man>             [-orig] [-npro] [-pcs] [-psl] [-sc] [-sob] [-ss] [-st]
man>             [-T] [-tsN] [-v] [-version] [file]

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Matthew Novi (matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us) wrote:
> I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
> tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
> it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
> of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
> this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

You can mark whole buffer with C-x h, and use M-x indent-region to
indent it.  It will probably be terribly slow, but you can make a
coffee break, and besides, your fingers won't hurt. ;)

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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With emacsserver.c

I get the following errors:

/usr/include/sys/socket.h:131: redefinition of `truct linger'

and other redefinition errors with sockaddr, sockproto and msghdr

Any idea?
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>>>>> "Rita" == Rita Lui <ritalui@isaac.raleigh.ibm.com> writes:

Rita> Hi,
Rita> I put the following in my .emacs file

Rita>    (display-column-mode)

Rita> to show the current line/column number on the modeline. 
Rita> But, both the line and column number start from 0
Rita> instead of 1. 

Actually, I see the line starting at 1 and the column starting from
0.  The only reason I can think of that you might be seeing line
numbers start from 0 would be that you are using XEmacs 19.13.

Rita> If I comment out the above line in my .emacs and put 
Rita> the following instead, 

Rita>    (setq line-number-mode t)

Rita> the line number starts from 1 (and of course there
Rita> is no column number there). Why? 

This appears to be a problem with XEmacs 19.14.  There is no column
number because there is no magic in the default modeline-format to
deal with it.

If you haven't touched the modeline-format variable, you can put this
in your .emacs: (This will make it match the setting it will have in
19.15)

(cl-set-nthcdr 11
	       modeline-format
	       '((column-number-mode "C%c--") (-3 . "%p") "-%-"))

And then
(setq line-number-mode t)
(setq column-number-mode t)

will both work.  Except that the column will start from 0 not 1. :-(

Rita> I want to see both line and column number in the modeline. How
Rita> do I set the starting line/column number to 1 and not 0?

Try this in your .emacs:

(setq update-column-function
      #'(lambda ()
	  (setq current-column (int-to-string (1+ (current-column))))
	  (setq current-line   (int-to-string (current-line)))
	  (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))))
(display-column-mode)

Please note that once the value of update-column-function is set in
this fashion, it is not a trivial operation to change.  You have to do
something like:

(remove-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)

;; Modify update-column-function

(add-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)



Rita> Thanks very much.

Hope this helps.
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>>>>> "Bharat" == Bharat Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Bharat> Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be interested
Bharat> in a PS version or a single-page HTML version. Any pointers
Bharat> welcome!

I don't know but there ought to be.  Ben did an outstanding job
updating it for 19.14, and right now it appears to be the most up to
date reference on Emacs lisp available.

It's definitely required reading.
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>>>>> "Henry" == Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:

Henry The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
Henry have
Henry installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.  

Henry When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
Henry error message:
Henry  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

This happens because the directory where the source file resides has an
SCCS sub-directory (or a symlink), so emacs tried to get its SCCS
status by issuing the command 'prs <file>', which fails, because the
'prs' command is in the directory /usr/sccs in SunOS.

I fixed this with this workaround:

In your .emacs (or site-start.el), add this (assuming variable
NDS::os-type contains output from 'uname' and adjusted correctly to
distinguish between SunOS and Solaris):

;; Set search path for SCCS commands on SunOS

(if (string= NDS::os-type "SunOS")
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From: Chung Jae-youn <crisp@hugsvr.kaist.ac.kr>
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Hi xemacs users?,
I want to use xemacs in text mode with color display enabled.
My text terminal called "hanterm" which ,kind of xterm, supports 
hangul display.
When i run xemacs in text mode, I found that xemacs shows colors in modeline.
Any i want xemacs to do all of my xemacs workings in text mode.

Thanx in advance.

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Hello

I posted a question on this list earlier stating that I was having
trouble compiling xoobr in xemacs.  I have not recieved any replies to
the question.  I do not recall seeing anyone else post regarding xoobr. 
That leads me to the next question:

Does ANYBODY use xoobr?  Is it even useable?
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul W Box <sanduku@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> writes:

    Paul> Hello I posted a question on this list earlier stating that
    Paul> I was having trouble compiling xoobr in xemacs.  I have not
    Paul> recieved any replies to the question.  I do not recall
    Paul> seeing anyone else post regarding xoobr.  That leads me to
    Paul> the next question:

    Paul> Does ANYBODY use xoobr?  Is it even useable?  --

Yup, it is usable. What's your problem?

Richard.

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Shawn Brown writes:
Shawn> I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having
Shawn> difficulty finding out how to do it.

 ...

Shawn> The vm info file is of little help, and I'm got really knowledgable
Shawn> of elisp code to figure this out.

giacomo> the above is sort of a meta-question (or a meta-FAQ) (hi
giacomo> Steve!):

giacomo> how do i do ... in VM, info file doesn't help!

giacomo> well, the meta-answer is, look into the file vm-vars.el, in
giacomo> the vm directory of the lisp library

O.K.  Looks good.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_0_12
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Shoemaker <steven@sunflight.osc.cuny.edu> writes:

Steven> I am haveing trouble getting the options right to print
Steven> on the command line i normaly do 
Steven> lp -ducchp2 -oduplex filename
Steven> so i tried to put this in my .emacs file
Steven> (setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2 -oduplex"))

(setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2" "-oduplex"))

Steven> but this didnt help
Steven> could some one explain this to me?

We just covered this topic in great detail a few weeks ago.  I'd
suggest doing a dejanews search to find it.  Use a search string of
``lpr-switches xemacs''.

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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In article <m2ybhbjuru.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>, Steven L Baur
<steve@miranova.com> wrote:

> I don't know but there ought to be.  Ben did an outstanding job
> updating it for 19.14, and right now it appears to be the most up to
> date reference on Emacs lisp available.

ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/docs contains dvi and postscript of all the Xemacs
manuals (lispref included) for US letter and A4 paper sizes. 

-pvg

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However note that emacs indent functions won't change newlines (only
leading spaces). Thus, if you want a really consistent layout, use the unix
command indent.

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Just choose some meaningful colors for your fonts, and you should be ok.
(Remember that ANSI terms support only 8 colors for foreground and 8 for
background, but xemacs might do some meaningful conversion on other colors,
I don't know.) I am looking at b/w effects right now on my b/w CGA monitor
and with xemacs 19.12.

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al012@svtstu.seqeb.gov.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
> With emacsserver.c
> I get the following errors:
> 
> /usr/include/sys/socket.h:131: redefinition of `truct linger'
> 
> and other redefinition errors with sockaddr, sockproto and msghdr
> 
> Any idea?

I had the same problem, and I got around it in the following way.
In emacsserver.c the following code occurs around line 59:

#if ! defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
/* BSD code is very different from SYSV IPC code */

#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/file.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <sys/signal.h>
#include <sys/stat.h> /* Needed for chmod, at least on Linux */
#include <sys/un.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include "../src/sysproc.h" /* Needed for select */

But <sys/socket.h> is also #included in "../src/sysproc.h". Commenting
out the "#include <sys/socket.h>" in the above code (in emacsserver.c)
eliminates the duplicated definition of the structs.

I don't think this has any side effects, since the code from
<sys/socket.h> is still indirectly included in emacsserver.h.
However... 

I'm now stuck a few steps later in the compilation process. I get the
following output (sorry it's so long, but there may be clues in the
first line):

--snip--

gcc -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
 -I. -I/home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src
 -I/net/ULTRIX/depot/X11R5.26/X11R5/include  -DNeedFunctionPrototypes=0
 -DNeedVarargsPrototypes=0
 -I/home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib -g -O
 /home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src/prefix-args.c -o
 prefix-args
gcc -nostdlib `./prefix-args -Xlinker
 -L/net/ULTRIX/depot/X11R5.26/X11R5/lib -L. -L../lwlib ` -o temacs
 pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/cmplrs/cc/crt0.o abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o
 buffer.o bytecode.o callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o
 cmdloop.o cmds.o console.o console-stream.o data.o database.o device.o
 dialog.o dired.o doc.o doprnt.o dynarr.o editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o
 eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o faces.o
 fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o frame.o
 general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o
 hash.o indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o keymap.o lread.o lstream.o
 macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o objects.o opaque.o
 print.o process.o profile.o pure.o rangetab.o realpath.o redisplay.o
 redisplay-output.o regex.o scrollbar.o search.o signal.o sound.o
 specifier.o strftime.o symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o toolbar.o
 console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
 redisplay-tty.o cm.o undo.o unexmips.o console-x.o device-x.o
 dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o
 objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o
 xselect.o window.o termcap.o tparam.o lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o
 ralloc.o EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o
 TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o -llw -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext
 -lX11 -ldbm `gcc -print-libgcc-file-name` -lm -lc `gcc
 -print-libgcc-file-name`
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
              0 in the positive direction,
          99712 in the negative direction.
ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation
 entry 527 for symbol: my_edata 
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 23
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
gmake[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
 `/nfs/hercules.cs.uregina.ca/csss/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src' 
gmake: *** [src] Error 1

--cut--

I have no idea what these errors mean. Any helpful information anyone
could give me would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, what version of Ultrix are you running? I'm running 4.3. Did you
have to copy src/s/ultrix.h to src/s/ultrix4-3.h (or similar)?

For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Jason

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i'd like to do something pretty simple --i'd like to have a function
that opens a new frame with either mh-rmail or mh-smail in it. i've
tried the following:

(defun my-nf-mh-smail ()
  (interactive)
  (new-frame)
  (mh-smail))

but it has the annoying feature of open mh-smail in the original
window, not the new window.   how do i get it to open in the *new*
window? (open new-frame second doesn't work (at least with rmail),
because rmail splits the window, and it puts the bottom window in the
new frame, which is a big mess).


also, while i'm asking questions - how do i customize the button bar?
i'd like to make the button which launches vm mail now launch
my-mh-rmail (wiht the new frame, of course).  how do i do htis?  how
come customizing button bars doesn't appear in the faq??

thanks much -- steve farrell

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: xemacs goes into a loop if I exit from OpenWindows
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Josef Sachs wrote:
: If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
: item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
: to its standard output:

: xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
:   after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

: Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
: for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.
: -- 
: Josef Sachs (sachs@panix.com)


This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

	int
	x_IO_error_handler (Display *disp)
	{
	  /* This function can GC */
	  Lisp_Object dev;
	  struct device *d = get_device_from_display (disp);
	  XSETDEVICE (dev, d);
	
	  if (NILP (find_nonminibuffer_frame_not_on_device (dev)))
	    {
	      /* We're going down. */
	      stderr_out
		("\n%s: Fatal I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n",
	         (STRINGP (Vinvocation_name) ?
		  (char *) string_data (XSTRING (Vinvocation_name)) : "xemacs"),
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp));
	      stderr_out
	        ("  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with %d events remaining.\n",
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	      /* assert (!_Xdebug); */
	    }
	  else
	    {
	      warn_when_safe
		(Qx, Qcritical,
		 "I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n"
		 "  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with "
		 "%d events remaining.\n",
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp),
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	    }
	
	  enqueue_magic_eval_event (io_error_delete_device, dev);
	
-->	  /* CvE, July 16, 1996, XEmacs 19.14 */
-->	  /* Test for broken pipe error, which indicates X-server has gone down */
-->	  if ( errno == EPIPE )
-->	  {
-->	      /* Most probably X-server has gone down: Avoid infinite loop by just exciting */
-->	      stderr_out( "\n\nXEmacs exiting on broken pipe (errno %d, %s)\n", errno, strerror( errno ) );
-->	      exit( 1 );
-->	  }
	
	  return 0;
	}


I have reported this bug to the XEmacs developers (Ben and Chuck) for
XEmacs 19.12, 19.13, but have given up hope with 19.14. It seems that
this is an OpenWindows special.

Good luck,
--
Chris van Engelen
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: open a new frame with mh-e in it -- how??
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steve farrell (spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> (defun my-nf-mh-smail ()
>   (interactive)
>   (new-frame)
>   (mh-smail))
> but it has the annoying feature of open mh-smail in the original
> window, not the new window.   how do i get it to open in the *new*
> window? (open new-frame second doesn't work (at least with rmail),
> because rmail splits the window, and it puts the bottom window in the
> new frame, which is a big mess).

Use
(select-frame (new-frame))

instead of just (new-frame) and it should work.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
> However note that emacs indent functions won't change newlines (only
> leading spaces). Thus, if you want a really consistent layout, use the unix
> command indent.

Much faster, too.  However, it takes time to set up indent the way one
wants, and Emacs is already here.  Furthermore, if you wish to change
indentation only,....

-- 
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Problems compiling on Ultrix
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Jason McLaren (mclaren@cs.uregina.ca) wrote:
[... snip ...]
> gmake: *** [src] Error 1

Use -G 0 and it should compile.

> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Yes, it was.  A friend of mine succeeded, but it didn't work for him
(crashed on startup).  He was beginning to wonder if *anyone* uses the
later XEmacs' on Ultrix (somewhere around 19.10 it worked fine).

-- 
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Farhad Bahrami wrote:
> 
> I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
> reverse for me!  

As far as hide-ifdef-mode is concerned, FLAG is not defined in the 
above example and so it shows the /* stuff not for FLAG */

hide-if-def-mode doesn't examine your source file to find out what
is and is not defined - you have to tell it explicitly using:
	M-x hide-ifdef-define RET FLAG RET

Use C-h f hide-ifdef-mode RET for more information.

Enjoy.

ChrisR:
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Chris van Engelen (cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com) wrote:
> This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
> If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
> you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
> addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

Bot how come that for me the same thing works flawlessly on fvwm +
X11R5 (Sun).  After closing XEmacs window with "kill", I get:
 
xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "svarozic.srce.hr:0.0"
  after 1140 requests (1140 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

But no infinite loop.

-- 
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Jason McLaren (mclaren@cs.uregina.ca) wrote:
> I'm now stuck a few steps later in the compilation process. I get the
> following output (sorry it's so long, but there may be clues in the
> first line):
> 
> --snip--
> 
> I have no idea what these errors mean. Any helpful information anyone
> could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Try compiling with "-G 0". I don't have any idea what that option
does, but at least it will work...

> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Yes, I compiled it, but it dumps core when I start it.

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Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
scheme, when you program C/C++?

Say, display string as blue, integer as red, and/or comment as green, etc.

If there is, could you tell me how or where I can look to find out?
Thank you.

--Yohahn.

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From: Per Flodin <emwpf@emw.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> >>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
> 
> J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
> J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.
> 
> J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.
> 
> J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> 
> J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Me too!
 
> I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
> come up with that gave that particular output was:
> 
> (define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))
> 
> This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
> what you're doing ;-).

But it's not only in the VM frame, but on any frame! Fundamental,
elisp or asm mode, doesn't matter. However, M-Q (ie meta-shift-q)
calls the fill command, ie the sequence C-h k meta-shift-q says
fill-paragraph-or-region: (etc)

> There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.

How can C-h b and C-h k report different results?

It's a clean build, as far as I know, and I find no define-key or
similar in any of the .el files I have checked. Tell me what I have
missed!

... before I get used to shift meta q for fill param! :)

Per Flodin    per.flodin@emw.ericsson.se

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Subject: Re: xemacs goes into a loop if I exit from OpenWindows
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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
: Chris van Engelen (cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com) wrote:
: > This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
: > If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
: > you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
: > addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

: Bot how come that for me the same thing works flawlessly on fvwm +
: X11R5 (Sun).  After closing XEmacs window with "kill", I get:
:  
: xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "svarozic.srce.hr:0.0"
:   after 1140 requests (1140 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

: But no infinite loop.

: -- 
: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
: --------------------------------+--------------------------------
: I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

The infinite loop problem occurs when you exit from OpenWindows in the
normal way, while an XEmacs process is running, ***not** when you just
quit or kill an XEmacs window. Furthermore, it could well be that this
is an error which only happens when using the olwm or olvwm (OpenWindows
or Virtual OpenWindows) window manager.

--
Chris van Engelen
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hyunchon@glue.umd.edu wrote:
> 
> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?
> 
> --Yohahn.
>

Yohahn,

This is relatively easy to achieve. Below is a portion of my .emacs file
that sets up some colors for editing C and C++ code.  It uses the
"font-lock" package as specified in the comment. 

;;; Font-Lock is a syntax-highlighting package.  When it is enabled and you
;;; are editing a program, different parts of your program will appear in
;;; different fonts or colors. The code below will cause font-lock to 
;;; automatically be enabled when you edit C, C++, Emacs-Lisp, and many 
;;; other kinds of programs.
;;;
(cond ((string-match "Lucid" emacs-version)
       (require 'font-lock)
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face "blue")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "DimGrey")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face "forest green")

Good luck with finding colors that you like!

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From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor@lucifer.guardian.no>
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Subject: Re: compile error parsing
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> It worked when I tried it.  This variable should look something like:
> 
> (("re1" i1 j1 k1) ("re2" i2 j2 k2) ("re3" i3 j3 k3))
> 
> Where each of the re's are ugly looking regular expression strings.
> Do a C-h v compilation-error-regexp-alist to see what the other fields
> are.
> 

Wouldn't it be nice if the filename, line number and column numbers
could be lambda-functions? I'm using oobr quite a lot and it does a
good job at finding the path for eiffel files. Now you could do it the
hackish/inelegant way that oobr does and write your own error-parser
function in order to use oobr's source-finding feature, but why not
generalize compilation-error-regexp-alist? 

I have another problem with compilation mode. I'd like to use
compilation-mode to parse the output of a *shell* window. Is that
possible? It should be possible if compilation-mode could be a minor
mode in shell-mode. 

What I would like to do is the following: use oobr to compile my
eiffel project., run it from a shell window and when it crashes/gets
an exception I'd like to jump to the source-line where the exception
occurred. Currently I do this by including a regexp matching the
stack-trace lines generated by the eiffel run-time in
compilation-error-regexp-alist and running the program after the
compilation command. This works fairy well since an incremental
compilation only takes a few seconds, but for larger projects I'd like
to have separate buffers.

Concerning oobr, I have two one-line fixes which fixes some problems I
have had with eiffel-support in oobr. Since it doesn't seem to be
supported anymore I'm posting them here:

This makes oobr aware of an eiffel-mode which is autoloaded.
--- /usr/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/eif-browse.el       Wed Jan 31 05:21:50 1996
+++ eif-browse.el       Mon Jul 29 22:38:16 1996
@@ -98,7 +98,8 @@
   (br-setup-functions)
   (fset 'br-store-class-info 'eif-store-class-info)
   (fset 'br-lang-mode
-       (cond ((or (featurep 'eiffel3) (featurep 'eiffel-mode))
+       (cond ((or (featurep 'eiffel3) (featurep 'eiffel-mode)
+                  (fboundp 'eiffel-mode))
               'eiffel-mode)
              ((load "eiffel3" 'missing-ok 'nomessage)
               (provide 'eiffel-mode))


This stops oobr from hanging when it parses features with names like
'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxxy' which is 'larger' than any word in 'reserved'. 
This bug might be present in the java-parser as well.
--- /usr/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/eif-calls.el        Thu Aug 31 01:36:54 1995
+++ eif-calls.el        Wed Jul 31 02:51:14 1996
@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
        ;; Ensure that each attrib is not a reserved word
        (while (if (string-equal lattrib (car reserved))
                   (setq attrib nil)
-                (string-lessp (car reserved) lattrib))
+                (and reserved (string-lessp (car reserved) lattrib)))
          (setq reserved (cdr reserved))))
       (if attrib (br-set-cons attribs attrib)))
     (setq attribs (nreverse attribs))))

> What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
> Coincidence?  I think not.

:-)

astor

-- 
Alexander Kjeldaas   
Guardian Networks AS     astor@guardian.no

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>>>>> "James" == James R Seamans <seamans@hrmis.nlm.nih.gov> writes:

James> When Xemacs started up, I received an error:
James> 	Wrong type argument; stringp, nil

Make sure you have no leading, trailing, or consecutive `:' characters
in your PATH.  This will no longer be necessary in 19.15.


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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

+> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
+> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
+> manual page) is to put:
+> 
+>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false


This is it!  Thanks for all the advice.

What made it hard to find was that I normally use fvwm.  I have some
rather stupid apps that I occsionally use that prefer olwm and when
using these I temporarily switch over.That's why it seemed that only
certain modes exhibited this behaviour.

I've modified my .Xdefaults accordingly.

--jp


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>>>>> "steve" == steve farrell <spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> writes:

steve> also, while i'm asking questions - how do i customize the
steve> button bar?  i'd like to make the button which launches vm mail
steve> now launch my-mh-rmail (wiht the new frame, of course).  how do
steve> i do htis?  how come customizing button bars doesn't appear in
steve> the faq??

Because I haven't figured out how to do it in a comfortable amount of
space.  There was some code submitted just prior to the release of
19.14 that allowed editing of the default toolbar, but didn't go into
the release because it didn't permit editing any other toolbar.

The best suggestion is to grab the code that puts up the default
toolbar and customize it to fit.  The toolbar I use looks like:
(set-specifier
 default-toolbar
 '([toolbar-file-icon find-file t "Open a file"]
   [toolbar-folder-icon dired t "View directory"]
   [toolbar-disk-icon save-buffer t "Save buffer"]
   [toolbar-printer-icon ps-print-buffer t "Print buffer"]
   [toolbar-cut-icon x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"]
   [toolbar-copy-icon x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"]
   [toolbar-paste-icon x-yank-clipboard-selection t "Paste from clipboard"]
   [toolbar-undo-icon undo t "Undo edit"]
   [toolbar-spell-icon toolbar-ispell t "Spellcheck"]
   [toolbar-replace-icon query-replace t "Replace text"]
   [toolbar-compile-icon toolbar-compile t "Compile"]
   [toolbar-debug-icon toolbar-debug t "Debug"]))

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: mucci@cs.utk.edu (Philip Mucci)
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Subject: Leaving the region set using isearch ...
Date: 15 Oct 1996 03:05:37 GMT
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Hi all,

Very frequently in emacs I write macros using C-x ( that
use multiple presses of isearch to specify the span of 
text to be operated upon.

Like this:
 Set mark, Search for something a couple times, cut from
original mark.

Unfortunately, Xemacs changes this behavior and I haven't been
able to figure out how to fix it. The FAQ's and ref guides didn't
seem to help.

Thanks for any suggestions!

-Phil

P.S. Is there any reference guides to all the lisp packages? The web
page only has a little bit. Where are the document that describe
how to use that stuff? I'd like to find something to help me use TAGs
with my C files...

-- 
/%*\ Philip J. Mucci | GRA in CS under Dr. JJ Dongarra /*%\
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>>>>> "Per" == Per Flodin <emwpf@emw.ericsson.se> writes:
>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Per> Me too!
 
sb> I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
sb> come up with that gave that particular output was:
sb> 
sb> (define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))
sb> 
sb> This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
sb> what you're doing ;-).

Per> But it's not only in the VM frame, but on any frame!

That's a start.  That means the key definition is probably going into
the global keymap.

Per> Fundamental,
Per> elisp or asm mode, doesn't matter.

O.K.  You've established the point.

Per> However, M-Q (ie meta-shift-q) calls the fill command, ie the
Per> sequence C-h k meta-shift-q says fill-paragraph-or-region: (etc)

sb> There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.

Per> How can C-h b and C-h k report different results?

They compute their results differently.

Per> It's a clean build, as far as I know, and I find no define-key or
Per> similar in any of the .el files I have checked. Tell me what I
Per> have missed!

I've never seen this happen.  I need more information.  Let's try a
different approach.  The next time this happens, do a C-h k M-q and
save the copy of the *Help* buffer.  Do it in at least three different
buffers.  If the output is different, send copies of *all* three
*Help* buffers.

Next, go into the *scratch* buffer and evaluate the `features' variable
(type in `features' and hit C-j) like this:

features C-j
(view-less view mel-q pp mel-b gnus-uu supercite regi fast-lock
gnus-msg gnus-cite sort bbdb-xemacs highlight-headers gnus-async
gnus-score gnus-sum-mime gnus-art-mime gnus-art browse-url gnus-topic
nndoc nndir nnmh nnml gnus-cache gnus-sum disp-table nnfolder
gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail nntp nnoo smiley gnus-bbdb mail-extr
rfc822 tm-bbdb bbdb-com bbdb-gnus bbdb-rmail bbdb t article gnus-start
gnus-range gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-win gnus-mime gnus-charset
gnus gnus-ems gnus-xmas gnus-load gnus-util custom widget paren
mic-paren advice byte-optimize bytecomp byte-compile advice-preload
icomplete gnus-setup tm-mail mime-setup message-mime tm-edit signature
tm-ew-e tm-partial tm-image annotations tm-pgp tm-play env mailcrypt
comint ring tm-view tm-text tm-parse tm-ew-d tm-def tl-822 std11 mel
tm-setup tm-rmail tl-misc tl-atype tl-str tl-seq tl-list cless
file-detect emu emu-e19 emu-xemacs message messagexmas mail-abbrevs
sendmail easymenu timezone nnheader nnheaderxm rmail mail-utils mailheader
rsz-minibuf filladapt func-menu font-lock crypt crypt++ auto-save ange-ftp
dired-xemacs-highlight dired-x dired-extra dired-xemacs-menu dired
auto-show ediff-hook vc-hooks x-iso8859-1 x-menubar mouse mode-motion
itimer cc-mode lisp-mode iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete
two-column derived frame text-props mini-cl cl cl-19 backquote
lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars xface xpm png gif jpeg
athena-dialogs x tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar network-streams
subprocesses menubar berkeley-db dbm md5 lisp-float-type dialog
debug window-system)

[line broken so it will post]

Then send me both sets of output.  You might as well send a copy of
the output of C-h b while you're at it.

Per> ... before I get used to shift meta q for fill param! :)

Think about the different modes you use.  Is there one in particular
you use after which you notice the keybinding change?  (Especially one
you don't see listed above, which would be a mode I don't normally use).
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>>>>> "Lutz" == Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de> writes:

Lutz> Hi !

Lutz> We just installed tm7.89 on xemacs-19.14 and so we have some questions.

Lutz> 1. How can I disable tm from automatical executing preview of a message?
Lutz>    I want to execute previewing only by command.

(setq gnus-strict-mime nil)
(setq gnus-show-mime nil)

Lutz> 2. If I want to forward a message the original message isn't copied
Lutz>    to the forward buffer . What is the easiest way to get it into this
Lutz>    buffer and how can I setup vm to copy it by default.

In Gnus you select Post -> Mail Forward from the menubar.  Don't know
about VM.

Lutz> 3. If I want to insert a message in output buffer only the
Lutz>    mime-header (eg. [2 gif -file <image/gif>] )  is copied to
Lutz>    the buffer,but no contents.

They really are, you just don't see them because they are 'invisible.
Not showing the ASCII armor garbage is a nice feature.

Lutz> 4. When I receive a forwarded message containing a multipart-message ,
Lutz>    how can I extract this message to a mail-folder or how can I
Lutz>    preview/decode these parts ?

I've always just hit v in the buffer showing the first part.  Assuming
all the pieces are in the summary buffer, tm does The Right Thing (at
least with Gnus).

Lutz> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news
Lutz>    or mails?

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)

For Gnus, the t is important.  This hook function needs to be one of
the last invoked.
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>>>>> "Tore" == Tore Olsen <toreo@colargol.idb.hist.no> writes:

Tore> Hi,
Tore> I have never had any problems with XEmacs (19.14) on any Linux-box
Tore> until today.  When I compiled it today on a PPro with RedHat
Tore> Rembrandt, expand-file-name didn't work. (expand-file-name "~/") gives
Tore> the correct value, but (expand-file-name "~<any user>/") gives "/".

Tore> I've read the PROBLEMS-file which says that Ultrix may have problems
Tore> with this, but I'm not running Ultrix :-), and neither do I have
Tore> anything in site-init.el.

The comments there may be applicable.

Tore> XEmacs was configured with './configure' and compiled with 'make'. No
Tore> problem with that.

Tore> Any help appreciated.

Are you using NIS?  Which version of libc is Rembrandt?  Have you run
strings on the dumped binary to see if there is something that looks
suspiciously like a stored passwd file?

I don't know what else to say.  I've looked over the relevant code
from libc 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 and don't see anything obvious, other than
the fact that the Ultrix comments you refer to above look like they
apply to Linux with one of the later ELF libs.
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hyunchon@Glue.umd.edu (Hyun Chong Kim) writes:

> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?
> 
> Say, display string as blue, integer as red, and/or comment as green, etc.
> 
> If there is, could you tell me how or where I can look to find out?
> Thank you.

Open a new xemacs session. Load your c++ file. Turn on font-lock-mode
using either M-x font-lock-mode or under
Options->Syntax-Hightlighting. Then select Options->Edit-Faces.. to
change the colors of the faces. Save the new configuration using
Options->Save-Options.

astor

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Hyun Chong Kim (hyunchon@Glue.umd.edu) wrote:
> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?

M-x edit-faces, and look for font-lock-* faces.

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One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
work on another 3.2.5 machine.
Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.

Here what happens on the bad machine:

Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs 
Symbol smsendbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smgetbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smselect in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smwait in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smfreebuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smrcvbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smsocket in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smconnect in tcsh is undefined
Error was: Exec format error


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When compiling Xemacs 19.14 under Linux, I get many errors like the following:

redisplay-tty.o: In function `init_tty_for_redisplay':
/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay-tty.c:1221: undefined reference to `tgetflag'

Also undefined references to tgetnum, tgetstr, tputs, tgoto, etc.

These errors occur during linkage in the files redisplay-tty.o and cm.o.
I found that the functions are defined in termcap.c, but they aren't declared
in any header file.  They are declared with extern in redisplay-tty.c and cm.c.

Does anyone know why I'm getting these errors and how to correct them?

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From: s_jgoetz@cellar.rz.uni-ulm.de (Jens Goetz)
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Subject: I need something like "reload-buffer". Who can help me ???
Date: 15 Oct 1996 11:41:36 GMT
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Hello,
I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.

Who could send me the required lisp-code ????

Many Tanks in advance
Jens

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To: s_jgoetz@cellar.rz.uni-ulm.de (Jens Goetz)
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Subject: I need something like "reload-buffer". Who can help me ???
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Jens Goetz writes:
 > Hello,
 > I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
 > so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
 > executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.
 > 
 > Who could send me the required lisp-code ????
 > 

Try looking at revert-buffer to determine if this'll provide the
functionality you require.  If you really don't want do be prompted
for confirmation (and this is *really* dangerous!), you'll need to
wrap this, something like:

       (defun revert-buffer-no-confirm ()
         "Revert current buffer to copy on disk without prompting user."
         (interactive)
         (revert-buffer t t))

and then map this to a key (in this case F3) like:

       (global-set-key 'f3 'revert-buffer-no-confirm)

Hope this helps!

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Resizing minibuffer
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:17:07 -0700
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I've worked a while now with the resize-minibuffer-mode that dynamically
resizes the minibuffer window if the text you enter is too long to fit
in one line.

What I would like to have is a mode/advice that works the same way for
all the messages on gets. Is there anything out there or should I start
warming up all my lisp knowledge an try for myself?

TIA,
Thomas
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From: Ted Slater <slater@gcg.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
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Jim Lekas wrote:
> 
> Zhenghao Yeh wrote:
> >
> > Hi! There,
> >
> > I have a habit to write code like this:
> >
> > while (true)
> > {
> >   do something;
> >   ... ;
> > }

[deletia]

I like that style, too (most Macintosh programmers code that way, I
think). Here's what's been working for me. Add this to your .emacs (btw,
"tms" are my initials; use whatever you want there):

(defun my-c-style ()
  (if (not (assoc "tms" c-style-alist))
      (setq c-style-alist
            (append c-style-alist
                    '(("tms"
                       (c-recognize-knr-p . nil)
                       (c-basic-offset . 2)
                       (c-comment-only-line-offset . 0)
                       (c-hanging-braces-alist .
                                               ((substatement-open
before after)))
                       (c-offsets-alist . ((topmost-intro        . 0)
                                           (topmost-intro-cont   . 0)
                                           (substatement         . +)
                                           (substatement-open    . 0)
					   (block-open           . -)
                                           (statement-cont       . +)
                                           (statement-case-intro . 0)
                                           (case-label           . +)
                                           (access-label         . -)
                                           (inclass              . +)
                                           (inline-open          . 0)
                                           )))))))
  (c-set-style "tms"))

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'my-c-style)

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Subject: Re: Bug in gdbsrc?
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> [Emailed and posted]
> >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Hecking <lhecking@nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:
> 
> Lars> I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no
> Lars> problems.  Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the
> Lars> same XEmacs) is just fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work
> Lars> fine with no err msgs.  This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.

Same for me here, 19.14 + DEC ALPHA OSF3.2

> I still cannot duplicate this.  However, would you please try this
> patch to gdbsrc.el and see if it fixes things?

Yes & thanks, that looks a lot better.

Thomas
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Wishlist for 19.15...
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:26:08 -0700
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Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el files for the
changes that need to be done there (esp. look for obsolete functions)
and build *.elc's that compile without complaining about this & that?
Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do for each
file we edit/patch...

Just a thought,
Thomas

(I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain - but maybe
there is already someone working on it. If not, I can still think about
doing it...)
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Try M-x revert-buffer to reload it from disk

Chris McMahan


Jens Goetz writes:
 > Hello,
 > I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
 > so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
 > executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.
 > 
 > Who could send me the required lisp-code ????
 > 
 > Many Tanks in advance
 > Jens


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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:

> You are missing the Xmu  - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional X11/Motif
development kit.  It's found under /usr/contrib/X11R5/.

------------
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Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

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From: Gael MARZIOU <gael@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com>
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Subject: patch for compile.el 19.14
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Hi,

I have problems with compile.el from 19.14 while I haven't with 19.13, it
is not able to open the file where the error occured, I ran it under
elisp debugger and found that file-exist-p was having problem with
filename containing quotes like "\"my_file.c\"" so I made the following
little patch which works for me but I'm not sure this is a long term
patch that should be included in official version, I don't even know how
to submit a patch.
I have encountered this problem when compiling with cc of HP-UX 10.20.
However, here is my patch appended below.

Gael

---------------------  compile.el patch begins here  ----------------
*** /opt/hp/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/compile.el	Wed Jun 19 03:22:05 1996
--- /opt/hp/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/compile.el	Tue Oct 15 14:14:16 1996
***************
*** 1349,1354 ****
--- 1349,1365 ----
    (or formats (setq formats '("%s")))
    (let ((dirs compilation-search-path)
  	buffer thisdir fmts name)
+     ;; Gael Marziou
+     ;; Fixes a problem (bug?) when filename is this form: "\"my_file.c\""
+     ;; It seems that these \" cause trouble to file-exists-p
+     ;; So remove them
+     (setq filename (mapconcat
+                     (function char-to-string)
+                     (delete '34
+                             (mapcar
+                              (function identity)
+                              filename))
+                     ""))
      (if (file-name-absolute-p filename)
  	;; The file name is absolute.  Use its explicit directory as
  	;; the first in the search path, and strip it from FILENAME.

---------------------  compile.el patch ends here    ----------------

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From: sashik@bartok.mgh.harvard.edu (ShashiK)
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Subject: Re: Problems compiling on Ultrix
Date: 15 Oct 1996 18:13:07 GMT
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i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!

but with some effort.

1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c

	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
recompile with -G option.

	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
around this problem, basically:

	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];

Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:

2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"

	the trick is to
 edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h

recompiling,  did get me a working xemacs!


hope this helps


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Are you using NIS?  Which version of libc is Rembrandt?  Have you run
> strings on the dumped binary to see if there is something that looks
> suspiciously like a stored passwd file?

I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.

> I don't know what else to say.  I've looked over the relevant code
> from libc 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 and don't see anything obvious, other than
> the fact that the Ultrix comments you refer to above look like they
> apply to Linux with one of the later ELF libs.

Of course I got it to work on another system that looks pretty
identical except for the shadow. But I can't see how that could be the
problem. *sigh* Maybe I should try GNU Emacs to see if that works.
If so, that might help pinpoint the problem.

-Toreo

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[Posted and mailed]

In article <9610150916.AA20113@piccard.ddddf.com>,
	"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
> One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
> XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
> work on another 3.2.5 machine.
> Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.
> 
> Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs 
> Error was: Exec format error

I suspect that what happened was after you re-installed it, it was
unable to find a shared library.  The symbols in question are located
in /usr/lib/libX11.a.  I would suggest doing the following on the
broken machine, and the machine that works:

lslpp -L | grep X11

And see what you need to do to get "up to level" on the broken machine.
The specific symbols you name, and the fact that oslevel reports some
components at less than 3.2.5, indicates that you are missing the PTF that
adds the "shared memory transport" feature to the X server and libraries.

I'd recommend you get the machine up ti 3.2.5.1 at least, that fixes a LOT
of problems...

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				Computer Systems Engineer
				Virginia Tech

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From: Sam Falkner <samf@steel.central.sun.com>
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Subject: conflict between cc-mode and crypt++
Date: 15 Oct 1996 13:47:04 -0600
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i don't know if this is a problem with cc-mode, crypt++, or `outline
stuff' in general.

 xemacs: 19.14
cc-mode:  4.282
crypt++:  2.82

background:

    i want to edit a file that usually lives on a dos box.  usually,
    crypt++'s `dos mode' will do exactly what i want.  it auto-detects
    the annoying ^M's at the end of each line, decides it's a dos
    thing, and squelches them out until you're ready to write.

problem:

    when the buffer slips into c-mode (which it does because the file
    ends with `.c'), crypt++ seems unable to detect the ^M's.  i get a
    `doublespaced' file.

    debugging further, it seems that by the time crypt++ looks at the
    file, the ^M's have somehow been converted to \n's (ordinary
    newlines).

sick workaround:

    i made a copy of cc-mode.el ahead of the normal one in my load
    path.  in the function c-common-init, i took out the setq-ing of
    outline-regexp.  when i did this, things started to work again.

i don't really understand what outline-regexp does, or how its
definition in cc-mode's c-common-init would change ^M's to \n's.

i've never tried outline-ish things in cc-mode.  but i'm sure i'm
probably disabling something that i'll want to use someday!  ;-)

any ideas on how this should be fixed `for real'?  i suspect it'll be
in the outline machinery or cc-mode, and not in crypt++, since it
seems to me that crypt++ never has a chance to `see' the ^M's.

let me know if i can provide more info, or debugging, or whatever.

thanks!

- sam

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ShashiK (sashik@bartok.mgh.harvard.edu) wrote:
> i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!
> 
> but with some effort.
> 
> 1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c
> 
> 	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
> recompile with -G option.
> 
> 	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
> around this problem, basically:
> 
> 	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];
                                                      ^^^^
If I counted number of characters of my_data in lastfile.c, this
should be 30.

> Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:
> 
> 2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"
> 
> 	the trick is to
>  edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
> and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h
> 
> recompiling,  did get me a working xemacs!

Well, I did all that. It still crashes under X, but it works now in
tty mode.

-- 
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================================ooooO=Ooooo==============================
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From: pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande)
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Hi,

   TAGS file which I use is quite big (~1300 K). Xemacs takes ages to make
tags completion table. Is there a way to save this tags completion table?
So if I quit and restart xemacs, the tags completion table need not be 
remade.

thanks,

prasad

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From: Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi>
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How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens a
way too large frame for itself. Is there a way to customize frame sizes for
different applications, so that emacs itself could use a different frame
size whereas vm and for example gnus could use a size that is more propiate
for them?

-- 
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Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de> writes:

> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news or mails?

Not sure about tm, but with a recent Gnus you should be able to get
them with:

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)

Hans

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I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event, so
``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the window
managers's menus).

--pete

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Hi,

    The same .emacs that worked fine on one xemacs installation
(19.14) seems to make a separate frame/window for the minibuffer in
another installation. How do I turn off the extra window and get the
minibuffer to be within the main emacs window?

    Thanks!

\d.

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For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file, what (other
than dired) is the most efficient way to kill it.  I find myself
frequently visiting files and wanting to perform shell functions on them
(changing permissions, etc).  To do this I usually do 'Esc-! rm
filename'.  Any better suggestions? 
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el
Thomas> files for the changes that need to be done there (esp. look
Thomas> for obsolete functions) and build *.elc's that compile without
Thomas> complaining about this & that?

Yes and no.  It really wouldn't take too long compared to other items
that have been wished for.

Thomas> Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

Thomas> I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do
Thomas> for each file we edit/patch...

Thomas> Just a thought,
Thomas> Thomas

Thomas> (I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain -
Thomas> but maybe there is already someone working on it. If not, I
Thomas> can still think about doing it...)

[Speaking now as the person who has been through the entire lisp/*
directories and updating them with Emacs 19.34 changes].

Here's why it won't happen.  There are a great number of files that
are maintained in synch with the corresponding file in GNU Emacs.
Every unnecessary change results in more time down the road
maintaining the code.  Nearly all of the warnings you are referring to
comes from code originally for GNU Emacs and using its functions.  The
cost of changing many of the obsolete function calls would be
resulting code unique to XEmacs.

In short, it works the way it is, and the bytecompiler complaints can
be safely ignored.  New code, of course, should respect the updated
definitions.

Note:  This statement applies only to common code between GNU Emacs
and XEmacs.  There's no reason not to do this to modules which are
strictly unique to XEmacs, but how many of them generate warnings?
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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
>>>>> "des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
Des> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
Des> manual page) is to put:

Des> olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

J> This is it!  Thanks for all the advice.

Good.  That's one down.  I'm convinced the other person who reported
this problem has a similar situation, but we'll see.
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>>>>> "Frossie" == Frossie  <frossie@pa.jach.hawaii.edu> writes:

Frossie> When one starts up HTML mode it usefully sets up a "header"
Frossie> and "footer" for the document. Are these configurable ? Our
Frossie> organisation enforces a style for official web pages so
Frossie> automatically including it would be incredibly useful to the
Frossie> html-naive users.

This is emacs so there are multiple ways to do this.

Take a look at the autoinsert package in lisp/packages.

If you're using wingpsgml, take a look at the
html-helper-new-buffer-template variable.

html-helper-new-buffer-template's value is [deleted]
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Template for new buffers.
Inserted by `html-helper-insert-new-buffer-strings' if
`html-helper-build-new-buffer' is set to t


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>>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Wiedenhoeft <wiedenho@sol1.cs.wisc.edu> writes:

Kurt> When compiling Xemacs 19.14 under Linux, I get many errors like
Kurt> the following:

What version of libc, termcap, and ncurses are you using?  I suspect a
misinstallation.  There are many possible configurations on Linux ...

I have tested with libc-5.3 and libc-5.4, libtermcap-2.0.8, and
libncurses-1.9.9e.  The later versions of ncurses install directly
into /usr/include, (I made a local change to put symbolic links into
/usr/include/ncurses, this makes a lot of programs happier).

It would also be helpful to see the options you gave configure.

Kurt> redisplay-tty.o: In function `init_tty_for_redisplay':
Kurt> /xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay-tty.c:1221: undefined reference to `tgetflag'

Kurt> Also undefined references to tgetnum, tgetstr, tputs, tgoto, etc.

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From: jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu (James Tang)
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I have my own C/C++ coding style by typing following command in XEmacs 19.14
when editing C/C++ file:

M-x c-set-style stroustrup
M-x c-set-offset case-label 4

Does anyone know how to put these two lines in my ~/.emacs so that I don't
have to type them whenever editing a C/C++ file ?

Thanks
James


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Jason McLaren wrote:
> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

The xemacs-19_13-ultrix-4_4.patch :
	 <http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>
suggests configuring with -rel-alloc=no as there seems to be a problem
with the relocating-allocator under Ultrix, might be the same for
XEmacs 19.14.

Doug.

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Im running emacs 19.14 on a Sun Sparc5 w/Solaris 2.5.1 (the SPARCworks
version)
I have the netpbm utilities installed, and they are in the path and all the
variables
I can find in the info pages appear to be set up correctly, I do *not* have
it configured
to delay loading of images.

My problem is that no images appear, and no error messages are given.

Any Ideas?

Rob Altenburg
rca@paonline.com


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>>>>> "Tore" == Tore Olsen <toreo@colargol.idb.hist.no> writes:

Tore> I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
Tore> I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.

And you built the binary with `./configure; make'?  What happens if you
link with -lshadow?  It doesn't look like there is a flag to set extra
libraries so edit src/Makefile so that the shadow password library
appears before `-lc'.

IIRC programs attempting to read the password file directly (as you
have built XEmacs to do) lose in a shadow password environment.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Daniel Schepler <daniel@shep13.wustl.edu>
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When I compile XEmacs 19.14 with Motif dialog support, strange things
start happening.  First, on some redraws, the border of the frame
(beyond the windows, scrollbars, modelines, etc.) is drawn as gray,
instead of the black which I set in ~/.Xresources.  Typing C-l will
clear this up, and simply typing into a buffer clears it up bit by
bit.

Also, when I use make-frame-on-display (via gnudoit), the menus fail
to appear on the second display.  Also, first a few messages like

xemacs-19.14-motif: X Error of failed request:  BadFont (invalid Font parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  55 (X_CreateGC)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x400016
  Serial number of failed request:  150
  Current serial number in output stream:  155

appear, followed by lots of messages like

xemacs-19.14-motif: X Error of failed request:  BadGC (invalid GC parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  69 (X_FillPoly)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x400015
  Serial number of failed request:  200
  Current serial number in output stream:  276

These continue to appear as redisplays occur.

I recompiled XEmacs, adding just --with-dialogs=athena to the
./configure command line, and these two problems disappeared.  This is
fine with me, since I rarely actually use the dialogs, but I thought I
should report this bug.  (System is Linux 2.0.22, libc 5.4.7 -- though
the same thing happens with 5.3.12.)
-- 
Daniel Schepler                      The yellow submarine in a tub
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From: Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi>
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How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens a
way too large frame for itself. Is there a way to customize frame sizes for
different applications, so that emacs itself could use a different frame
size whereas vm and for example gnus could use a size that is more propiate
for them?

-- 
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Amir J. Katz wrote:
> 
> One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
> XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
> work on another 3.2.5 machine.
> Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.
> 
> Here what happens on the bad machine:
> 
> Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs
> Symbol smsendbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smgetbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smselect in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smwait in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smfreebuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smrcvbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smsocket in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smconnect in tcsh is undefined
> Error was: Exec format error
> 
If I remember correctly, these functions are in /usr/lib/libX11.a. Try
to compare this library on the two machines e.g., with 'nm libX11.a|grep
smwait' .
Or, your $LIBPATH is not correct.

U. Meyer
> --
> /* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
> /* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
> /* .. I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my        ..*/
> /* .. lawyer thinks he can get me five.        (Steven Wright)      ..*/

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I'd like to enable the Fortran abbrevs (which start with ;) since they
do not seem to be active by default (the LaTeX abbrevs, with prefix `, 
are, instead). Can anybody tell me what I have to set for this?

I have a second question: I'd like to let the control-Q key act like
control-G (keyboard-quit) within all search modes (i.e., not only in
isearch as I am doing now, but also in Fortran-iSeArCh and similar 
submodes which pop up sometimes (I haven't found out exactly when and
why)) and, if possible, also to quit the minibuffer while prompting
for a file name (e.g., in find-file) and similar tasks.

Thank you

R. Badii

Paul Scherrer institute
5232 Villigen, CH
badii @ psi.ch

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi> writes:

> 
> How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens=
 a
> way too large frame for itself.

Check the variable vm-frame-parameter-alist. I use the following setting:

 (setq vm-frame-parameter-alist
    '((composition ((top . 185) (left . 265) (width . 100) (height . 36)))
      (edit ((top . 185) (left . 265) (width . 100) (height . 36)))
      (primary-folder ((top . 75) (left . 175) (width . 100) (height . 40))=
)
      (folder ((top . 85) (left . 185) (width . 100) (height . 40)))
      (summary ((top . 1) (left . 250) (width . 100) (height . 11)))))

/Anders

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From: Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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Subject: no auto-replacement ???
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:15:54 +0200
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Hi,

can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?

Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

Thanks,  Merten

________________________________________________________________

  merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
________________________________________________________________

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From: Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>
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Subject: Re: Is there an (X)Emacs equivalent to the vi '%' in shell commands?
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>>>>> Carter Sanders writes:

  Carter> For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file,
  Carter> what (other than dired) is the most efficient way to kill
  Carter> it.

M-x delete-file RET foo RET

kai
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From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn)
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Subject: starting viper
Date: 16 Oct 1996 04:53:47 GMT
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Hello,

Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper mode?
(Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)

Thanks in advance,
Dave.
--
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From: "Karlheinz Nolte" <Karlheinz.Nolte@ks.sel.alcatel.de>
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Hi all,

In Germany was changed the rules for the daylight saving time. Formerly,
the DST ends on the last sunday in september, since this year, the DST
ends on the last sunday in october. We received a patch for the OS 
(Digital UNIX 3.2D), which corrects the zoneinfo files. Now the 'date'
command shows the right time, but in the statusline of XEmacs 19.14, the
clock loses one hour. Example:

$ date
Wed Oct 16 11:21:02 MET DST 1996

but XEmacs shows: 10:21

I think, XEmacs has its own zoneinfo files. The question is, where?

Every help is welcome.

Thanks in advance.
Karlheinz.
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-----------------Karlheinz.Nolte@ks.sel.alcatel.de-------------------------

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Hello,

I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before) from my 
mail, news and many other programs. I was pleased to see that is is
now possible to use a remote server as this is often what I do,
however there is one thing I didn't figure out:

Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
wishlist?


Bye
Richard


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Tore> I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
> Tore> I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.
> 
> And you built the binary with `./configure; make'?  What happens if you
> link with -lshadow?  It doesn't look like there is a flag to set extra
> libraries so edit src/Makefile so that the shadow password library
> appears before `-lc'.

No difference. I can't see how that would make a difference, since
XEmacs doesn't need to check the passwords, and the other fields are
the same as a standard passwd. Thanks anyways.

-Toreo
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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Bug Report - VM opening a window crashes XEmacs
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

-- 
  When I first installed XEmacs, I was having trouble with VM crashing
it whenever I'd open a 'R' reply window.  The debugger revealed it to
be a null pointer dereference somewhere in the gui codes, if I
recall...

(This is a snip I saved a while back)
-----------------------
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x400c65b4 in lwlib_does_not_use_motif_1_2 ()
---------------------------------

  Everyone said that it was a RAM error, since, during that same
period of time, gcc kept quitting during kernel compilation.  I
disagreed, but all the experts said it was RAM.  But, after upgrading
from kernel 2.0.0 to 2.0.6, the compilation problem went away.  Same
RAM, newer kernel, no sig SEGV.

  Now, I can compile a kernel, and there are no errors.  Everything
seems fine.  ViewMail, in XEmacs 19.14, runs fine most of the time,
but occasionally crashes XEmacs when I press 'R' for a quoted reply,
or the Visit button to look at another folder.  I think it is where it
tries to display a VM toolbar; the one on the left.

  It works fine all day, then sometimes it works once, then the next
time it crashes.  I've gotten in the habit of pressing 'S' before I
press 'R'.  It may be that it occurs more often when my load average
is higher.  Someday, I will learn to use a debugger.

bash$ ldd $(which xemacs)
	libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6
	libcompface.so => /usr/local/lib/libcompface.so
	libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXext.so.6.1
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6.1
	libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
	libgdbm.so.2 => /lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.4.7

 The libc is straight out of the binary package on tsx11, as far as I
can remember. (It may have been sunsite.unc.edu though.)

bash$ cat /proc/meminfo
        total:    used:    free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
Mem:  40071168 39464960   606208 22974464  7049216  9338880
Swap: 34025472    69632 33955840
MemTotal:     39132 kB
MemFree:        592 kB
MemShared:    22436 kB
Buffers:       6884 kB
Cached:        9120 kB
SwapTotal:    33228 kB
SwapFree:     33160 kB

bash$ uname -a
Linux cherryflower 2.0.21 #3 Tue Sep 24 04:09:37 PDT 1996 i486

(send this to any it may concern.)
--
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
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:) Proudly running Linux 2.0.21 and GNU public software!

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From: slorie@hzsbc197.ns-nl.att.com (04133-lorie)
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Subject: XEmacs on CD-ROM ?
Date: 16 Oct 1996 12:34:59 GMT
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Hi,

I am a little bit hesitant to download the huge amount sources in
order  to get XEmacs running on my Linux box. So I wonder if XEmacs is
available on CD-ROM ? (preferable a copy of all relevant source files
from [ftp.xemacs.org]/pub/xemacs).

Thanks,
             /
Stephen Lorie


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From: John Taylor <taylor_j@sat.mot.com>
Subject: Setting the reply-to address
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:56:48 -0700
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My system for some reason sets the reply-to address to my local machine instead of my 
mail server. Anyone know how to change this?
-- 
**********************************************************************
*  John Taylor   Senior Software Engineer                            *
*  Company:      TekSci/Motorola                                     *
*  E-Mail:       taylor_j@sat.mot.com                                *
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>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:

Pete> I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event,
Pete> so ``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the
Pete> window managers's menus).

:-)  A brilliant suggestion:

C-h k [Quit from the olvwm window manager menu]
(delete-frame #<x-frame "emacs" 0x8b2> t):

delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one could 
run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is visiting?  I guess
it would look like this:

(defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
   (interactive "sCommand? ")
   (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

Lyn



Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> 
> >>>>> Carter Sanders writes:
> 
>   Carter> For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file,
>   Carter> what (other than dired) is the most efficient way to kill
>   Carter> it.
> 
> M-x delete-file RET foo RET
> 
> kai
> -- 
> Life is hard and then you die.
> 

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "SF" == Sam Falkner <samf@steel.central.sun.com> writes:

    SF> i made a copy of cc-mode.el ahead of the normal one in my load
    SF> path.  in the function c-common-init, i took out the setq-ing
    SF> of outline-regexp.  when i did this, things started to work
    SF> again.

I don't use outline-minor-mode so I don't know what outline-regexp is
used for.  This change was given to me.  Here's my RCS entry for that
change:

----------------------------
revision 4.219
date: 1995/05/30 23:11:57;  author: bwarsaw;  state: Exp;  lines: +13 -4
(c-outline-level): new function.

(c-common-init): compatibility with outline-minor-mode.  Given by Per
Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
----------------------------

    SF> any ideas on how this should be fixed `for real'?  i suspect
    SF> it'll be in the outline machinery or cc-mode, and not in
    SF> crypt++, since it seems to me that crypt++ never has a chance
    SF> to `see' the ^M's.

You could just add this to your c-mode-common-hook:

    (setq outline-regexp "[*]+")

The value is taken from what appears to be outline-regexp's default
value.

If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
I'll make that change.

-Barry

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I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those files
in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically wheneven I starting
a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set ~/.emacs ?

Thanks,
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When I use pretty-print with color to print highlighted code, the
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background.  There must be a better way.

John Mann

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>>>>> "JT" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

    JT> I have my own C/C++ coding style by typing following command
    JT> in XEmacs 19.14 when editing C/C++ file:

    JT> M-x c-set-style stroustrup
    JT> M-x c-set-offset case-label 4

    JT> Does anyone know how to put these two lines in my ~/.emacs so
    JT> that I don't have to type them whenever editing a C/C++ file ?

The cc-mode manual describes this in more detail, but a first shot
might be:

(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (c-set-style "stroustrup")
  (c-set-offset 'case-label 4))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

-Barry

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From: Gary Ebert <gary@www.rdss.com>
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Hello all,
	First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Please help

	Thanks
BTW could you please e-mail me responces as well as posting b/c I don't
always get to read this group as much as I'd like to.

-- 
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "Pete" == Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> Pete> I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event,
> Pete> so ``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the
> Pete> window managers's menus).
> 
> :-)  A brilliant suggestion:

Agreed! :)   Now everything is explained.  "Close" in fvwm menu also
gives (delete-frame).  Well, one never learns all XEmacs features.

BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
with or without C-h c.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running
BBDB 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the
distribution). BBDB is fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when
BBDB has been hooked into GNUS any attempt to enter a group result in
complaints about a bad macro definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for
this?

Thanks for your time.


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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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>>>>> Phil Johnson writes:

 johnson> roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:
 >> You are missing the Xmu - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
 >> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

 johnson> libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional
 johnson> X11/Motif development kit.  It's found under
 johnson> /usr/contrib/X11R5/.

The HP development kit will cost you about $400 or so.  It comes with
the ANSI C compiler (but NOT with the C++, which is how I found out
how much it costs).  If you haven't bought these compilers, get it off
the Linux, or maybe even off of the X11 distribution.  Hope you have
enough disk space.

Gary Beckmann


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Dear All,

I do a lot of coding on remote machines on other campus
networks, and ange-ftp is really invaluable for me !
However, I really miss gdb on X(EmacS). 

Compiling is a problem too, however I managed that by changing
the compile-command to use an rsh to execute in the remote
machine a script that changes to the right directory and runs
make. Worked fine for me .. however I could not try something
similar with gdb because although I tried changing the
gdb-command-name similarly, it tried using the rsh string as a
program instead of executing the command. It would be nice if we
can have support for execution of a debugger in a remote
machine. 

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

BAW> If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
BAW> I'll make that change.

There is no way any setting `outline-regexp' should give an effect
like the described, unless something else is broken.  

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From: Fergus Mixolydian <cbenson@macaw.retix.com>
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Hi. Can anyone suggest ways to usefully reduce the runtime size of
XEMACS. My session peaks at around 23 MB by the time I've started up
VM and GNUS and even quiting these programs doesn't make it shrink
much. I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5.1 on a SPARC. I compiled
with the Sun C compiler.

thanks

-c

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From: evan@cyber2.servtech.com (evan cheng)
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Hi,

Where can I find the complete distribution of Viper, including
documentation?

Thanks,

Evan
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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> with or without C-h c.

Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

--pete

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Lutz> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news
> Lutz>    or mails?
> 
> (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)
> 
> For Gnus, the t is important.  This hook function needs to be one of
> the last invoked.

This approach is still not perfect, because it interferes with
'gnus-article-hide-headers. If you call 'gnus-article-display-x-face
before calling 'gnus-article-hide-headers, then the latter call will
also remove the X-Face. If you call 'gnus-article-display-x-face last,
then you will always see this cryptic X-Face: line.

I configured Gnus, so that it would usually display no more than the
From: and the Subject: line. Most of of the other header lines will
only be displayed if they contain "non-boring" information. But I
*never* actually want to see the X-Face: line. I do want to see the
X-Faces though. After some messing around, I came up with this
configuration:

    (require 'messagexmas)
    (require 'smiley)
    (setq gnus-visible-headers "^From:\\|^Newsgroups:\\|^Subject:\\|^Date:\\|^Followup-To:\\|^Reply-To:\\|^To:\\|^Cc:\\|^Posted-To:\\|^Apparently-To:\\|^Gnus-Warning:\\|^Resent-\\|^X-Face:")
    (defun gnus-article-hide-x-face ()
      "Remove the X-Face: header"
      (interactive)
      (gnus-article-hide-header "x-face"))
    (setq gnus-article-display-hook
          '(gnus-smiley-display
            gnus-article-highlight
            gnus-article-highlight-citation
            gnus-article-date-local
            gnus-article-treat-overstrike
            gnus-article-remove-cr
            gnus-article-remove-trailing-blank-lines
            gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable
            gnus-article-add-buttons
            gnus-article-add-buttons-to-head
            gnus-article-hide-headers
            gnus-article-display-x-face
            gnus-article-hide-boring-headers
            gnus-article-hide-x-face))
    (setq gnus-boring-article-headers '(empty newsgroups followup-to
                                        reply-to date))

Maybe, this code is helpful to others.


Markus


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Pete Ware (ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> > with or without C-h c.
> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

True.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.  
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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Pete Ware (ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> > with or without C-h c.
> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

True.  Iconification could have been mapped to 'iconify-frame.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.  
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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In article <4lcbue43ycf.fsf@chambers.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> John Taylor <taylor_j@sat.mot.com> writes:

> My system for some reason sets the reply-to address to my local machine instead of my 
> mail server. Anyone know how to change this?

There are two ways to set default reply-to address.
1. in your ~/.emacs file,
(setq mail-default-reply-to "you@your.reply.address (Your Name)")

2. in your .cshrc file if you use csh or tcsh
setenv REPLYTO "you@your.reply.address (Your Name)")

Hope it helpful.
-- 
 _ _ /|    Jung-Ju Choi 
 \'o.@"    Graphics Lab, Department of CSE, POSTECH
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Hi there,

I am the Marketing Manager of Frontier Industrial,  I would like to let you know
of  special that we have on 8 MB SIMMS.

I can offer you 2MX32 60ns modules @ $34.00 per piece.
VARS, DEALERS, DISTRIBUTORS, & SYSTEM INTEGRATORS ONLY PLEASE

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Hello, 

I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them 
all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
fixed.  

Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
is a cross-group posting.

Thanks,

BRuce Sams



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> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

No.  The ICCCM specifies a mechanism for allowing an application to
override the default behaviour for the destroy-window callback in X.
I don't think this can be done for the other actions you mention.

But, since it is a mouse activated action the user should probably
be presented with an confirm dialog, in spirit with the way menu
items work.

It would be nice if the destroy-window callback behaviour was =
customizable from elisp.

--
Donald Hunter.

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Lyn A Headley <laheadle@kimbark.uchicago.edu> writes:

> this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one could 
> run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is visiting?  I guess
> it would look like this:
> 
> (defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
>    (interactive "sCommand? ")
>    (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

This is a pretty bad idea because then what emacs thinks of what the
file is and what the file really is becomes different.  Of course you
could do an automatic revert-buffer afterwards, but in that case any
commands before executing the command are lost.  I think it more
reasonable to just use the standard mechanism of piping a buffer
through emacs.  If you goof, you can then always use undo, abandon
your edit or whatever else appropriate.  That is, to run a command on
the file use
C-x h   (this marks the whole buffer)
C-u M-|  (this pipes the buffer through a shell command and puts the
          output instead of the input in the buffer)

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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Subject: make-regexp for 19.14
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:42:00 -0700
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I've tried to use make-regexp to speed up my font-locking a bit but
unfortunately the version I use (1.02) doesn't work with 19.14. Is here
any patch know or a newer version somewhere?



The error I get is because of too many recursive calls in make-regexp

'Variable binding depth exceeds max-specpdl-size'


I've tried to debug a bit and it seems to me that make-regexp calls
itself without changing the parameters on each call. But for my lisp
knowledge there is way too much cdr-car stuff in this function...



TIA for any hints,

Thomas

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From: root@srtb0211-a15.resnet.ubc.ca (Jeff)
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Subject: function/var completion
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ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
something that will figure out function/var names and allow
me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?
:)
also, the same would be cool for font-locking with variables,
any variables that are my own typedefs aren't shown as vars,
obviously, since they aren't int, char, etc etc....
any way of getting emacs to recognize those to?
ctags? :>

Jeff


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>ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
>function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
>this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
>something that will figure out function/var names and allow
>me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?

aha! whilst poking away trying random key combinations (;))
I discovered that M-C-/ does name completion.....
:)

Jeff


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while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
makes my current buffer called *.c
this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
(running 19.14 on a linux box)

Jeff



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From: jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry)
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Hello,

I have been using xemacs for some monthes now quite happily. But just
today the strangest problem occured. It wouldn't display its GUI in
X-windows. It seems to run fine. It is listed when I do a ps and it runs
fine on the console. It ran fine last night, but today it suddenly wouldn't
open up its X display. I tried reinstalling it, I tried running it
with the display (:0.0) specifically given to it... but nothing.

Does anyone have a clue why this is happening? I am out of ideas.
BTW, I didn't change anything between last night and today. The
only thing that did happen was that I had to reboot due to a poweer outage.
But I thought reinstalling it would fix that problem (besides, fsck reports
no problems and all the other files on that partition work fine).

Please help, I use xemacs all the time and really don't like the alternatives
as much (I've gotten to really like xemacs).

Thanks in advance for any advice,

--

John Eikenberry
(jae@ai.uga.edu)
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 will deserve neither and lose both."

					 --B. Franklin

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Resizing minibuffer [2]
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#########################################################
This is a reposting since our machines have been down
for a while and I don't know of the first news found its 
way out!
#########################################################
I've worked a while now with the resize-minibuffer-mode that dynamically
resizes the minibuffer window if the text you enter is too long to fit
in one line.

What I would like to have is a mode/advice that works the same way for
all the messages on gets. Is there anything out there or should I start
warming up all my lisp knowledge an try for myself?

TIA,
Thomas
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#########################################################
This is a reposting since our machines have been down
for a while and I don't know of the first news found its 
way out!
#########################################################
Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el files for the
changes that need to be done there (esp. look for obsolete functions)
and build *.elc's that compile without complaining about this & that?
Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do for each
file we edit/patch...

Just a thought,
Thomas

(I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain - but maybe
there is already someone working on it. If not, I can still think about
doing it...)
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>Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
>manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
>connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
>is a cross-group posting.

ok, I am brand new to emacs (well, to the concept of actually using
it for work), as I have been a diehard VI fan all my life, but...

doesn't emacs do most of that already?  I mean, hit M-x compile,
and it will compile for you, you can debug with gdb in emacs
transparently, I believe it has a file manager called DIRED?
(may be wrong, just seen it briefly)...
Of course, it probably wont handle 'projects' etc etc, but overall
I find it to be quite useful for coding..

Jeff



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>>>>> "Fergus" == Fergus Mixolydian <cbenson@macaw.retix.com> writes:

 Fergus> Hi. Can anyone suggest ways to usefully reduce the runtime
 Fergus> size of XEMACS. My session peaks at around 23 MB by the time
 Fergus> I've started up VM and GNUS and even quiting these programs
 Fergus> doesn't make it shrink much. I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on
 Fergus> Solaris 2.5.1 on a SPARC. I compiled with the Sun C compiler.

As you are running 19.14 I assume that you are running Gnus 5.2.X (as
opposed to GNUS 4.X). Many newsreaders store unsubscribed newsgroups
in '.newsrc' so that, if you have a decent NNTP server, Gnus will read
(and store) thousands of names of newsgroups that you are not
interested in. Gnus memory usage will go down considerably if you
erase those groups from '.newsrc'.  You can do this either manually,
but if you do not use any other newsreaders at all, you can '(setq
gnus-save-killed-list nil)', quit Gnus and afterwards delete
'.newsrc'. Gnus will then take all the information it needs from
'.newsrc.eld', which now won't contain the list of unsubscribed ng's
anymore. To speed up startup you might want to look at the
documentation to 'gnus-read-active-file' also. New newsgroups, that is
newsgroups that are new on your NNTP server, will become "zombie"
groups that can be listed with 'A z'.

Holger

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	Great, a "how to spam email addresses" instruction book for
newbies.  Just what this world needed.  :P  Hey, strange spam man, go
away.  Go FAR away.  

Disgustedly,
Hyoun, who doesn't think that something so easy should cost 60
dollars.  Then again, I could write the same pamphlet and sell it for
20 and undercut this guy and rip off lots of newbies... nah, damn
morals are getting in the way.  shuckydarn.

--
      \_____________  "...if you allow yourself to feel    \_a___________
     \_____________  the way you really feel, maybe you   \___m___s_____
    \_____________  won't be afraid of that feeling      \_____a___a___
   \_____________  anymore."                            \_______t___i_
  \_____________                 tori amos             \_________e___
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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: hippy-expand.el [was Re: function/var completion]

I've mentioned this before on this newsgroup - check out the package
hippy-expand.el by Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se> which is one of the
most *brilliant* packages for emacs/XEmacs I have come across. I have 
used it for several years now and find it indispensable. It does word, 
file path, symbol and line expansion and can scan multiple buffers to
look for possible completions for you to cycle through in a really easy
to use way.

I don't know whether this is the latest version, but here is the header
from my copy of hippy-expand.el.

;;  LCD Archive Entry:
;;  hippie-expand|Anders Holst|aho@nada.kth.se|
;;  Expand text trying various ways to find its expansion.|
;;  3-July-95|Version 1.4|~/misc/hippie-expand.el.Z|

;;; Commentary:
;;
;;  `hippie-expand' is a single function for a lot of different kinds
;;  of completions and expansions.  Called repeatedly it tries all
;;  possible completions in succession.
;;  Which kinds of completions to try, and in which order, is
;;  determined by the contents of `hippie-expand-try-functions-list'.
;;  Much customization of `hippie-expand' can be made by changing the
;;  order of, removing, or inserting new functions in this list.
;;  Given a positive numeric argument, `hippie-expand' jumps directly
;;  ARG functions forward in this list.  Given some other argument
;;  (a negative argument or just Ctrl-U) it undoes the tried
;;  completion.
;;
;;  If the variable `hippie-expand-verbose' is non-nil, `hippie-expand'
;;  outputs in a message which try-function in the list that is used
;;  currently (ie. was used currently and will be tried first the next
;;  time).
;;  The variable `hippie-expand-max-buffers' determines in how many
;;  buffers, apart from the current, to search for expansions in.  It
;;  is used by the try-functions named "-all-buffers".
;;  The variable `hippie-expand-ignore-buffers' is a list of regexps
;;  matching buffer names (as strings) or major modes (as atoms) of
;;  buffers that should not be searched by the try-functions named
;;  "-all-buffers".
;;  See also the macro `make-hippie-expand-function' below.
;;
;;  A short description of the current try-functions in this file:
;;    `try-complete-file-name' : very convenient to have in any buffer,
;;      and not just in the minibuffer or (some) shell-mode.  It goes
;;      through all possible completions instead of just completing as
;;      much as is unique.
;;    `try-complete-file-name-partially' : To insert in the list just
;;      before `try-complete-file-name' for those who want first to get
;;      a file name completed only as many characters as is unique.
;;    `try-expand-all-abbrevs' : can be removed if you don't use abbrevs.
;;      Otherwise it looks through all abbrev-tables, starting with
;;      the local followed by the global.
;;    `try-expand-line' : Searches the buffer for an entire line that
;;      begins exactly as the current line.  Convenient sometimes, for
;;      example as a substitute for (or complement to) the history
;;      list in shell-like buffers.  At other times, only confusing.
;;    `try-expand-line-all-buffers' : Like `try-expand-line' but searches
;;      in all buffers (except the current).  (This may be a little
;;      slow, don't use it unless you are really fond of `hippie-expand'.)
;;    `try-expand-list' : Tries to expand the text back to the nearest
;;      open delimiter, to a whole list from the buffer. Convenient for
;;      example when writing lisp or TeX.
;;    `try-expand-list-all-buffers' : Like `try-expand-list' but searches
;;      in all buffers (except the current).
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev' : works exactly as dabbrev-expand (but of
;;      course in a way compatible with the other try-functions).
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-all-buffers' : perhaps the most useful of them,
;;      like `dabbrev-expand' but searches all Emacs buffers (except the
;;      current) for matching words.  (No, I don't find this one
;;      particularly slow.)
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-visible': Searches the currently visible parts of
;;      all windows.  Can be put before `try-expand-dabbrev-all-buffers' to
;;      first try the expansions you can see.
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-from-kill': Searches the kill ring for a suitable
;;      completion of the word.  Good to have, just in case the word was not
;;      found elsewhere.
;;    `try-expand-whole-kill' : Tries to complete text with a whole entry
;;      from the kill ring.  May be good if you don't know how far up in
;;      the kill-ring the required entry is, and don't want to mess with
;;      "Choose Next Paste".
;;    `try-complete-lisp-symbol' : like `lisp-complete-symbol', but goes
;;      through all possibilities instead of completing what is unique.
;;      Might be tedious (usually a lot of possible completions) and
;;      since its function is much like `lisp-complete-symbol', which
;;      already has a key of its own, you might want to remove this.
;;    `try-complete-lisp-symbol-partially' : To insert in the list just
;;      before `try-complete-lisp-symbol' for those who first want to get
;;      completion of what is unique in the name.
;;
;;  Not all of the above functions are by default in
;;  `hippie-expand-try-functions-list'.  This variable is better set
;;  in ".emacs" to make `hippie-expand' behave maximally convenient
;;  according to personal taste.  Also, instead of loading the
;;  variable with all kinds of try-functions above, it might be an
;;  idea to use `make-hippie-expand-function' to construct different
;;  `hippie-expand'-like functions, with different try-lists and bound
;;  to different keys. It is also possible to make
;;  `hippie-expand-try-functions-list' a buffer local variable, and
;;  let it depend on the mode (by setting it in the mode-hooks).
;;
;;  To write new try-functions, consider the following:
;;  Each try-function takes one argument OLD which is nil the first
;;  time the function is called and true in succeeding calls for the
;;  same string to complete.  The first time the function has to
;;  extract the string before point to complete, and substitute the
;;  first completion alternative for it.  On following calls it has to
;;  substitute the next possible completion for the last tried string.
;;  The try-function is to return t as long as it finds new
;;  possible completions.  When there are no more alternatives it has
;;  to restore the text before point to its original contents, and
;;  return nil (don't beep or message or anything).
;;  The try-function can (should) use the following functions:
;;    `he-init-string' : Initializes the text to substitute to the
;;      contents of the region BEGIN to END.  Also sets the variable
;;      `he-search-string' to the text to expand.
;;    `he-substitute-string' : substitutes STR into the region
;;      initialized with `he-init-string'.  (An optional second argument
;;      TRANS-CASE non-nil, means transfer of case from the abbreviation
;;      to the expansion is ok if that is enabled in the buffer.)
;;    `he-reset-string' : Resets the initialized region to its original
;;      contents.
;;  There is also a variable: `he-tried-table' which is meant to contain
;;  all tried expansions so far.  The try-function can check this
;;  variable to see whether an expansion has already been tried
;;  (hint: `he-string-member').
                    ,,,
                   (@-@)
  +----------oOO----(_)-----------------+
  |             David Hughes            |
  |         Tel: +44 1223 423355        |
  |        dhughes@origin-at.co.uk      |
  |  Origin UK, Science Park, Cambridge |
  +------------------------oOO----------+
                  |  |  |
                  |__|__|
                   || ||
                  ooO Ooo


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I just tested mine; it works fine.  libc 5.4, no shadow passwords.

--
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
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root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Me) writes:

> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
> makes my current buffer called *.c
> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
> (running 19.14 on a linux box)

Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
and they'll let you edit a list of files.

And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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first, i can't seem to find the following defined (only used) anywhere
in the lisp sources (19.14)

buffers-menu-filter

and the reason i'm looking for it is because i'd like to have a
special pop-up that only lists those buffers from the same
major-mode.  (this is what i do 90% of the time when switching
buffers).

i have my buffer menu configured to make sub-menus for each of the
major modes and simply need it to be this way b/c i use vm and gnus
etc etc and hence have about 14 million buffers around after a while. 

this is fine, but when i'm working on a mess of sources that are all
of the same type, i'd like to be able to switch between them quickly
wihtout having to find the appropriate submenu first.

i located this bit of elisp:

(defun my-buffers-menu (event)
  (interactive "e")
  (popup-menu-and-execute-in-window
   '("Buffers Popup Menu"
     :filter buffers-menu-filter
     ["List All Buffers" list-buffers t]
     "--"
     )
   event))

 --it used to be modeline-buffers-menu

i can bind this to a mouse key (like (control mouse3)), and it works
fine, but it lists ALL the buffers, not just those in the same group.

i assume the key here is:

	:filter buffers-menu-filter

which i'm assuming takes that mess you get from 'list-buffers' and 
makes something parsable by 'popup-menu-and-execute-in-window'.
and hence assume i need to write my own filter that filters for the
major mode i'm in... 

any suggestions here?

thanks in advance
--steve farrell

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From: Ove Svensson <emwovsv@emw.ericsson.se>
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>>>>> "JPS" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

    JPS> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a
    JPS> fill column and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the
    JPS> meta command line.

    JPS> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to
    JPS> meta-q.

    JPS> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

    JPS> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

    JPS> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


    JPS> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

    JPS> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound
    JPS> to fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but
    JPS> not others.  I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.
    JPS> What's happening?

    JPS> --jp

Do you have OpenLook as tour window manager? If that is tha case, M-q is
a menu accelerator. It will, by default, quit your application. 

One way to work around thsi problem is to put the following line in
your .Xdefaults file:
*Emacs*Accelerators: false

If you don't have OpenLook, then I don't know what is the problem and
how to solve it.

-- 


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To: sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce Sams)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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Bruce Sams writes:
 > Hello, 
 > 
 > I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
 > with X support.
 > Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
 > manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
 > connect to emacs (or xcoral)?

   well, emacs (or better: XEmacs:) is very well connected to itself,
   has a file manager, automatically compiles (with the capability of
   jumping to syntax errors) and links your sources (that's all that
   you asked)

   moreover, it provides you a full range of tools

      - interfaces to the debugger of your choice
      - hilits code features (keywords, comments, etc)
      - indents code according to syntax and your preferences
      - jumps to symbols' definitions
      - has a nice object browser
      - interfaces to the major source code control systems, SCCS,
        RCS, and others
      - dynamic templates for new files
      - dynamic templates for common programming constructs
      ... and much more ...

   hth,
                                                                gb

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Subject: VM and Mailcrypt
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Hi there !

If memory still serves me there has been a discussion
here about the interaction of vm and mailcrypt in 19.14.
Well, at last I did get it to work yesterday but had to
turn several macros in vm-misc into defuns. This is 
certainly not the way to do it. So, my question is:
are there more bugs anywhere which I haven't encountered
yet and if yes, is there somewhere a patch to them ?

And the last question: how comes nobody noticed the errors
before they put it out ?


Holger

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From: hemanuel@gar.esys.com (Hal Manuel)
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Subject: Re: Build problems of xemacs 19.14 on HP 10.01
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Gary Beckmann wrote:
> 
> >>>>> Phil Johnson writes:
> 
>  johnson> roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:
>  >> You are missing the Xmu - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
>  >> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.
> 
>  johnson> libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional
>  johnson> X11/Motif development kit.  It's found under
>  johnson> /usr/contrib/X11R5/.
> 
> The HP development kit will cost you about $400 or so.  It comes with
> the ANSI C compiler (but NOT with the C++, which is how I found out
> how much it costs).  If you haven't bought these compilers, get it off
> the Linux, or maybe even off of the X11 distribution.  Hope you have
> enough disk space.
> 
> Gary Beckmann

You can also get libXmu/libXaw in a patch available from HP Support's
web site http://support.mayfield.hp.com

Go to Browse Patches and then Retrieve a Specific Patch & get patch
PHSS_6202 (for s700_800 10.0X).

Hal

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Hi !

What I really like about cmulisp is it's ability to
define so called search-lists for often used paths.
It looks like this:

(setf (search-list "emacs:") "/usr/lib/emacs")

>From now on every file operation can use this prefix:

(load "emacs:my-file") to load my-file.lisp from the
path /usr/lib/emacs.
I think it would be really nice to have such a feature
in emacs, so that when you get asked for a file one
could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.

Well, this isn't exactly emacs-stylish, but it would be nice
to have such a possibility. Has anybody done such a package ?
Another possibility of course would be to have abbreviation
(as provided by the abbrev-package) in the
minibuffer when asked for a file-name. I don't know if this
is possible, but if it is, could somebody tell me how ?


Holger

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Hi Folks,

We have number of users who are in the process of switching from 
FSF Emacs to XEmacs.  They have encoutered a problem for which I 
haven't as yet been able to solve.  

When invoking gdb under FSF emacs, the user is prompted 

	"Run gdb (like this): gdb"  

and this allows them to use different versions of gdb as we have cross
versions etc...

XEmacs dives right into the default gdb.  Is there an (easy %^)) way
to choose which gdb, XEmacs invokes.

Be gentle as I'm a lisp newbie 

Thanks,

JJ


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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs GUI disappeared?
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John A. Eikenberry (jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu) wrote:
> open up its X display. I tried reinstalling it, I tried running it
> with the display (:0.0) specifically given to it... but nothing.

What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an error?
Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X applications work?

Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?  `xemacs -nw'?
You will have to give more details for anyone to help you.

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David Kastrup (dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:
> Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
> a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
> and they'll let you edit a list of files.
> And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
> listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

This is useful!  I've been looking for such a feature for ages. :-)
BTW, why doesn't XEmacs dired highlight the files by default
(different colors for different files)?

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Bruce Sams (sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de) wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
> is a cross-group posting.

XEmacs is *exactly* the thing you have described, and much more.  Look
at <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/> for details about XEmacs.

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Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
> 
> BAW> If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
> BAW> I'll make that change.
> 
> There is no way any setting `outline-regexp' should give an effect
> like the described, unless something else is broken.  

yup, i've verified the next day that the problem returned, even after
i made sure that `outline-regexp' wasn't being set.

argh!  the problem did go away on one of my debugging runs: the one
after i disabled `outline-regexp'.  but something else must have
`fixed' the problem.

sorry for the earlier confusion -- i'll debug further and let y'all
know when i've found something useful.

- sam

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Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
requiring you to hit tab..

- Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
  If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
                           -- Jerry Dreshfield

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>>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running BBDB
> 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the distribution). BBDB is
> fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS
> any attempt to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
> definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?

What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.  XEmacs
19.11 is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to 19.14.

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>>>>> Holger Schauer writes:

  Holger> (setf (search-list "emacs:") "/usr/lib/emacs")

  Holger> From now on every file operation can use this prefix:

  Holger> (load "emacs:my-file") to load my-file.lisp from the
  Holger> path /usr/lib/emacs.
  Holger> I think it would be really nice to have such a feature
  Holger> in emacs, so that when you get asked for a file one
  Holger> could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.

You can use environment variables for this.

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On Oct 17,  5:13pm, Tom Kludy wrote:
> Subject: remapping Enter key
> Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
> cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
> requiring you to hit tab..
>
> - Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
>   If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
>                            -- Jerry Dreshfield
>-- End of excerpt from Tom Kludy

>From my .emacs file:

;; so that hitting return automatically indents the next line without having
;; to insert spaces or tabs
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)

Hope this helps!



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    Tom> Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J &
    Tom> vice-versa while in cc-mode and c++-mode?  That
    Tom> way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o requiring
    Tom> you to hit tab..

Or, you could do something like this...

(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key c++-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key perl-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

-Pez

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On 17 Oct 1996, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:

> What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an error?
> Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X applications work?
> 
> Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?  `xemacs -nw'?
> You will have to give more details for anyone to help you.

Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it 
doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work
fine. 

I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means
that there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything
in it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its
X display?

Thanks a lot for your help. :)

Ciao, 


John Eikenberry
(jae@ai.uga.edu)
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I have a problem with viewing LaTeX documents under Xemacs that does not arise
under GNU Emacs.  In LaTeX-mode, C-c C-v is tied to xdvi in order to view the
formatted output of the LaTeX document.  Under GNU Emacs, xdvi will
automatically detect that the dvi file created by the tex-buffer command (C-c
C-b) has changed, and the screen will update itself when I bring the xdvi
window to the foreground.  It doesn't work this way under Xemacs, however.
When I make a change to the LaTeX file in the current buffer and run
tex-buffer to create a new DVI file, the xdvi window does not update
correctly.

Now if I run tex-file (C-c C-f) and tex-view (C-c C-v) it works the way I
expect.  My supspicion is that there is something funny about the way Xemacs
invokes the xdvi command on the temporary dvi file generated by tex-buffer,
but *not* how it invokes the xdvi command for the dvi file generated from
tex-file.  However, from my reading of the command line, both dvi files are
treated by xdvi the same.

I wonder if anyone else has seen the same behavior and has a way to make xdvi
work the way I expect when I use the tex-buffer command? (I preview
tex-buffer to tex-file because I can preview changes before committing them to
the original LateX file itself.)

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I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.

I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Xemacs seems to be adding these file types before the .emacs file is
read:

("\\.C$" . c-mode)
("\\.t$" . c-mode)
("\\.c$" . c-mode)

And then it adds my file types:

("\\.C$" . c++-mode)
("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
("\\.c$" . c++-mode)
("\\.h$" . c++-mode)


The code in the .emacs file looks like this:

(setq auto-mode-alist
     (cons auto-mode-alist
	(list
	        '("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		'("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.c$"  . c++-mode)
		'("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
		auto-mode-alist))
)

Help, I'm conused!


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[Emailed and posted]

>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Bruce Sams writes:

Bruce> I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
Bruce> with X support.
Bruce> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
Bruce> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
Bruce> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?

giacomo> well, emacs (or better: XEmacs:) is very well connected to itself,
giacomo> has a file manager, ...

Not `out of the box'.  However, someone posted patches to XEmacs 19.14
shortly after its release that provided OffiX drag & drop support.
With the OffiX Drag & Drop patches (to be included in 19.15) XEmacs
has real support for a file manager. :-)
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: tkludy@deviant.reshall.umich.edu (Tom Kludy)
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Subject: Re: remapping Enter key
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Tom Kludy (tkludy@deviant.reshall.umich.edu) wrote:
: Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
: cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
: requiring you to hit tab..

Thanks to all who replied!  Here's the answer many people gave me:

(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key c++-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key java-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

Now, I have another question:  I'd like to remap the backspace key so that,
if I am at the beginning of a line, it will delete all whitespace to the
end of the previous line; but if I am not at the beginning of a line, it
will only delete one character.  The delete key should keep the default
behaviour (delete one character no matter what).

Here's my first try:

(define-key c-mode-map [(backspace)] 'delete-indentation)

This works great except that it doesn't work if there's anything on the
line.

Any ideas?

- Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
  If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
                           -- Jerry Dreshfield

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>>>>> "James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

James> I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those
James> files in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically
James> wheneven I starting a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set
James> ~/.emacs ?

Check out the autoinsert package that comes with XEmacs
(lisp/packages/autoinsert.el).

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:
> > I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running BBDB
> > 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the distribution). BBDB is
> > fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS
> > any attempt to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
> > definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?
> What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.  XEmacs
> 19.11 is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to 19.14.

GNUS 4.1.3 is also *many* releases older than the current 5.2.40.

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>>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

mbrown> I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems
mbrown> running BBDB 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with
mbrown> the distribution). BBDB is fine in Rmail, and GNUS is
mbrown> OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS any attempt
mbrown> to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
mbrown> definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?

Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14.

bbdb-1.51 works fine with Gnus 5 (Gnus-5.2.25 comes with XEmacs 19.14)
after you apply this patch:

*** bbdb-gnus.el~	Mon May 27 14:32:30 1996
--- bbdb-gnus.el	Mon Aug 26 22:15:36 1996
***************
*** 31,37 ****
        (bbdb/gnus-pop-up-bbdb-buffer offer-to-create)
      (let ((from
  	   (progn
! 	     (set-buffer "*Article*")
  	     (save-restriction
  	       (widen)
  	       ;;(gnus-article-show-all-headers)
--- 31,37 ----
        (bbdb/gnus-pop-up-bbdb-buffer offer-to-create)
      (let ((from
  	   (progn
! 	     (set-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
  	     (save-restriction
  	       (widen)
  	       ;;(gnus-article-show-all-headers)

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>>>>> "Merten" == Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:

Merten> can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
Merten> which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?

Merten> Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

Which TeX mode are you using?  Since you didn't specify one, I'll
assume you're running the tex-mode included with XEmacs.

The double quote character is bound to tex-insert-quote:
Insert the appropriate quote marks for TeX.
Inserts the value of tex-open-quote (normally ``) or tex-close-quote
(normally '') depending on the context.  With prefix argument, always
inserts \" characters.

The easiest way to make this feature go away is to remove the key
definition with some code like this:

(define-key tex-mode-map "\"" 'self-insert-command)

right after the key definitions are set up:

(add-hook 'tex-mode-load-hook
	  (lambda () (define-key tex-mode-map "\"" 'self-insert-command)))

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>>>>> "David" == David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:

David> I've mentioned this before on this newsgroup - check out the package
David> hippy-expand.el by Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se> which is one of the
David> most *brilliant* packages for emacs/XEmacs I have come across.

David> I don't know whether this is the latest version, but here is the header
David> from my copy of hippy-expand.el.

David> ;;  LCD Archive Entry:
David> ;;  hippie-expand|Anders Holst|aho@nada.kth.se|
David> ;;  Expand text trying various ways to find its expansion.|
David> ;;  3-July-95|Version 1.4|~/misc/hippie-expand.el.Z|

The version included with GNU Emacs 19.34 (hippie-exp.el) looks like
it's a tad more recent

;; Author: Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se>
;; Last change: 6 August 1995
;; Version: 1.4
;; Keywords: abbrev


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From: Kevin Dalley <kevin@vger.seti-inst.edu>
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Subject: xemacs-19.14 bug in compile mode, with patch
Reply-To: kevin@seti.org

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700


In lisp/packages/compile.el, there is a mistake in the regular
expression matching variable, compilation-error-regexp-alist.  The
following patch will fix the problem.  The problem is that the Irix
5.2 expression, see below, will match expressions which look like
this:

    ;; Apollo cc, 4.3BSD fc:
    ;;	"foo.f", line 3: Error: syntax error near end of statement
    ;; IBM RS6000:
    ;;  "vvouch.c", line 19.5: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
    ;; Unknown compiler:
    ;;  File "foobar.ml", lines 5-8, characters 20-155: blah blah
    ;; Microtec mcc68k:
    ;;  "foo.c", line 32 pos 1; (E) syntax error; unexpected symbol: "lossage"
    ;; GNAT (as of July 94): 
    ;;  "foo.adb", line 2(11): warning: file name does not match ...
    ("\"\\([^,\" \n\t]+\\)\", lines? \\([0-9]+\\)[:., (-]" 1 2)


except that the file name matched by the Irix expression will include
the quote signs (") as part of the file name.  This creates a
problem.  The Apollo style error message is still used by HP-UX
A.09.05.  Adding a quote as an unacceptable character for file name
matching, as done by the patch below, will solve the problem.



cd /seti/kevin/lisp/
diff -c /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el\~ /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el
*** /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el~	Thu Oct 17 14:06:59 1996
--- /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el	Thu Oct 17 14:07:26 1996
***************
*** 192,198 ****
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
      (": \\([^ \n,]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
--- 192,198 ----
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \"\n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
      (": \\([^ \n,]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)

Diff exited abnormally with code 1 at Thu Oct 17 14:17:34


kevin
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Johnson <jj@brkawy.mko.dec.com> writes:

Jim> Hi Folks,
Jim> We have number of users who are in the process of switching from 
Jim> FSF Emacs to XEmacs.  They have encoutered a problem for which I 
Jim> haven't as yet been able to solve.  

Jim> When invoking gdb under FSF emacs, the user is prompted 

Jim> 	"Run gdb (like this): gdb"  

Jim> and this allows them to use different versions of gdb as we have cross
Jim> versions etc...

Jim> XEmacs dives right into the default gdb.  Is there an (easy %^)) way
Jim> to choose which gdb, XEmacs invokes.

Jim> Be gentle as I'm a lisp newbie 

O.K.  The first thing to remember about XEmacs is that it is still
Emacs.  It has an extensive online help facility that will answer a
great many questions.  Also, being Emacs, there are numerous ways to
do everything, and there is very little that is hardcoded.  Thus, you
should figure that there's a configuration variable for this
somewhere (if there isn't it's likely a bug).

Since it would be part of the gdb package, a good thing to try would
be symbols beginning with `gdb-'.

M-x apropos is your friend:

The command (Hold down the Meta key, and press x at the same time to
get a M-x or Meta X)

M-x apropos ^gdb-

Yields a big buffer full of symbols.  Making a quick scan through it
yields the likely looking candidate:

gdb-command-name
  Variable: Pathname for executing gdb.
  Plist: 1 property (variable-documentation)

Click the middle mouse button on `Variable:' or type in: (C-h v is the
describe-variable command)
C-h v gdb-command-name

to see:

gdb-command-name's value is "gdb"
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
Pathname for executing gdb.

which appears to be exactly what you are looking for.

To set variables you use the setq command like this:

(setq gdb-command-name "/usr/gnu/bin/gdb-new")

If you want to make site-wide changes, a good place to put them is in
the site-lisp.el file in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp (there isn't
one there by default).  Add the single line shown above (replace the
stuff in double quotes with the correct location for gdb on your
system), and you're done.

Lisp syntax may look strange at first if you're not used to it, but it
is much easier to learn than something like C or perl, and it tends to
grow on you after awhile ...
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>>>>> "04133-lorie" == 04133-lorie  <slorie@hzsbc197.ns-nl.att.com> writes:

04133-lorie> Hi,

04133-lorie> I am a little bit hesitant to download the huge amount
04133-lorie> sources in order to get XEmacs running on my Linux
04133-lorie> box. So I wonder if XEmacs is available on CD-ROM ?
04133-lorie> (preferable a copy of all relevant source files from
04133-lorie> [ftp.xemacs.org]/pub/xemacs).

There are ELF binary distributions for Linux on ftp.xemacs.org, but
they are fairly large.

You might check with the good folk at RedHat.  They have an XEmacs
19.14 RPM in the contributed section of Rembrandt, and it might well
be on a CD by now.

If you have a recent Linux CD ROM package that includes copies of the
sunsite FTP site, it has XEmacs 19.13 (apps/editors/xemacs) and the
OffiX Drag & Drop patches to XEmacs 19.14, but apparently no 19.14. :-(
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John A. Eikenberry (jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu) wrote:
> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it 
> doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work
> fine.

Then it's certainly an XEmacs bug, no matter what contents of your
.emacs are.  But maybe we can divine a workaround. :-)

> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
> and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means

`xemacs -q' is sufficient then.  Now try commenting out various parts
of your .emacs file, until you find the one that's obviously blocking
your XEmacs.  Then please post it to the newsgroup, so that we can
have a bug report.

> that there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything
> in it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its
> X display?

I don't know.  But try to find out.

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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Ahn <ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> writes:

Dave> Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper
Dave> mode?  (Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)

There is a Viper manual available in the Info documentation ...  I
found this in the section `Overview of Viper/Loading Viper':


   Once Viper is settled on the load path, the most common way to load
it automatically is to include the line:

     (require 'viper)

in your `~/.emacs' file.  The `.emacs' file is placed in your home
directory and it will be executed every time you invoke Emacs.  Viper
also uses the file `~/.vip' for Viper-specific customization.  If you
wish to be in Vi command state whenever this is appropriate, you can
include the following line in your `.vip':
     (setq vip-always t)


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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

Karl> When I first installed XEmacs, I was having trouble with VM
Karl> crashing it whenever I'd open a 'R' reply window.  The debugger
Karl> revealed it to be a null pointer dereference somewhere in the
Karl> gui codes, if I recall...

Karl> (This is a snip I saved a while back)
Karl> -----------------------
Karl> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
Karl> 0x400c65b4 in lwlib_does_not_use_motif_1_2 ()
Karl> ---------------------------------

Karl> Everyone said that it was a RAM error, since, during that same
Karl> period of time, gcc kept quitting during kernel compilation.  I
Karl> disagreed, but all the experts said it was RAM.  But, after
Karl> upgrading from kernel 2.0.0 to 2.0.6, the compilation problem
Karl> went away.  Same RAM, newer kernel, no sig SEGV.

XEmacs is every bit as sensitive to the phenomena described in the
Linux Signal 11 FAQ as kernel compilation is.

Karl> Now, I can compile a kernel, and there are no errors.
Karl> Everything seems fine.  ViewMail, in XEmacs 19.14, runs fine
Karl> most of the time, but occasionally crashes XEmacs when I press
Karl> 'R' for a quoted reply, or the Visit button to look at another
Karl> folder.  I think it is where it tries to display a VM toolbar;
Karl> the one on the left.

I don't use VM, but before I replaced my previous cache chips, the
likeliest place for XEmacs to crash was during email incorporation in
Gnus, or mass article download.

Karl> It works fine all day, then sometimes it works once, then the
Karl> next time it crashes.  I've gotten in the habit of pressing 'S'
Karl> before I press 'R'.  It may be that it occurs more often when my
Karl> load average is higher.  Someday, I will learn to use a
Karl> debugger.

Try to narrow it down if you can.  I'm inclined to say you have bad
RAM or bad cache.

Karl> bash$ ldd $(which xemacs)
Karl> 	libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6
Karl> 	libcompface.so => /usr/local/lib/libcompface.so

You did remember to compile this library with -D_BSD_SOURCE didn't
you?  If you don't you will get calls to setjmp/longjmp with variably
sized jmp_bufs.

Karl> 	libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
Karl> 	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
Karl> 	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
Karl> 	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
Karl> 	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libICE.so.6.0
Karl> 	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXext.so.6.1
Karl> 	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6.1
Karl> 	libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
Karl> 	libgdbm.so.2 => /lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0
Karl> 	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
Karl> 	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.4.7

You might try upgrading your libc too.  libc-5.4.7 has some problems
with sendmail, and probably XEmacs as well (I had some inexplicable
crashes during the period I used it before upgrading to 5.4.9).

Karl> The libc is straight out of the binary package on tsx11, as far as I
Karl> can remember. (It may have been sunsite.unc.edu though.)

Karl> :) Proudly running Linux 2.0.21 and GNU public software!
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Hi netters

Does anybody know where the commands associated with the toolbar 
icons are so one can change it ??

Thanks

Sumit

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When is 19.15 due?

TNX,
Pete
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ShashiK (sashik@bartok.mgh.harvard.edu) wrote:
> i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!
> 
> but with some effort.
> 
> 1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c
> 
> 	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
> recompile with -G option.
> 
> 	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
> around this problem, basically:
> 
> 	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];
> 
> Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:
> 
> 2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"
> 
> 	the trick is to
>  edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
> and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h

Thanks to ShashiK (or whatever your real name is ;-) I finaly compiled
fully working xemacs on Ultrix (version is 4.3). In addition what he
posted, I needed to recompile with X11R6 libraries and athena dialog
boxes. X11R4 libraries and Motif were responsible for core
dumps... Also I changed my_edata[] (there is no my_data in emacs.c) in
emacs.c to my_edata[30], becose length of my_edata is 30 (as defined
in src/lastfile.c).

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I'm currently using cc-mode version 4.282 and I'd like to use the c-fill mode
in conjunction with the cc-mode.  However, the following line in my .emacs
doesn't work:

;; For auto-filled C comments
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (require 'c-fill)))

It adds the c-fill to my c-mode hook but the comments don't function as
described in xemacs-19.14/lisp/modes/c-fill.el.  Am I doing something wrong or
do I need to initialize something else?


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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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sachs@panix.com (Josef Sachs) writes:

> If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
> item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
> to its standard output:
> 
> xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
>   after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
> 
> Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
> for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.

I found a possible solution to this a while ago on Deja News.  Try
searching for "x_IO_error_handler", or the following URL:

http://xp9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=5394710&server=dnserver.db96q4&CONTEXT=845599041.4895&hitnum=1

I have no idea whether this works.  I just exit XEmacs before exiting
my window manager.

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>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> Lyn A Headley <laheadle@kimbark.uchicago.edu> writes:

Lyn> this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one
Lyn> could run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is
Lyn> visiting?  I guess it would look like this:

Lyn> (defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
Lyn> (interactive "sCommand? ")
Lyn> (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

David> This is a pretty bad idea because then what emacs thinks of what the
David> file is and what the file really is becomes different.

Assuming you modified the file, yes it would be a bad idea.  But there
are plenty of other non-writing things you can do that would be safe.

David> Of course you could do an automatic revert-buffer afterwards,
David> but in that case any commands before executing the command are
David> lost.  I think it more reasonable to just use the standard
David> mechanism of piping a buffer through emacs.  If you goof, you
David> can then always use undo, abandon your edit or whatever else
David> appropriate.  That is, to run a command on the file use

David> C-x h   (this marks the whole buffer)
David> C-u M-|  (this pipes the buffer through a shell command and puts the
David>           output instead of the input in the buffer)

A stripped version of Lyn's function would look like:

(defun my-cmd-on-current-region (arg)
  (interactive "sCommand? ")
  (let (start finish)
    (if (and (region-exists-p) (region-active-p))
	(progn
	  (setq start (region-beginning))
	  (setq finish (region-end)))
      (setq start (point-min))
      (setq finish (point-max)))
    (call-process-region start
			 finish
			 "/bin/sh" 
			 t
			 (current-buffer)
			 t
			 "-c"
			 arg)))

Or call the existing function shell-command-on-region which has a lot
more features.
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From: Daniel J Higgins <djhigg2@uswest.com>
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Gary Ebert wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>         First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.
> 

Ispell is a unix application independent of emacs. Emacs' ispell lisp
files simply use the ispell command. 

$ which ispell
/usr/bin/ispell

Check the man page. 

Sounds like you need to install it. You should find it somewhere
at the sunsite site.

http://sunsite.unc.edu

-dan

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>>>>> "Randy" == Randy J Ray <rjray@uswest.com> writes:

Randy> Trying to install some packages retrieved from various sources,
Randy> I see that some of them optionally use a package called
Randy> "imenu". (In fact, bison-mode from the Elisp Archive can't
Randy> compile without it)

Randy> I couldn't find this in my 19.14 distribution or on the Elisp
Randy> Archive. Is this only in GNU Emacs?

I don't know about the archive, but it is in GNU Emacs 19.34.

Randy> Is it scheduled for inclusion into Xemacs?

A subset of it has been ported.  The portion that overlaps with the
function menu has not.  It's in the current 19.15 beta.

You ought to be able to get bison-mode to bytecompile if you guard the
imenu references with (when (boundp ...) ...) or (when (fboundp ...) ...).
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>>>>> "Holger" == Holger Schauer <schauer@zeus.gmd.de> writes:

Holger> Hi there !
Holger> If memory still serves me there has been a discussion
Holger> here about the interaction of vm and mailcrypt in 19.14.
Holger> Well, at last I did get it to work yesterday but had to
Holger> turn several macros in vm-misc into defuns. This is 
Holger> certainly not the way to do it. So, my question is:
Holger> are there more bugs anywhere which I haven't encountered
Holger> yet and if yes, is there somewhere a patch to them ?

It's not a bug.  The mailcrypt .elcs need to be rebytecompiled.

Holger> And the last question: how comes nobody noticed the errors
Holger> before they put it out ?

As the XEmacs beta tester who probably uses mailcrypt the most, you
can blame me for that.  I work with copies of Gnus/tm/Mailcrypt off
the main tree due to the source for Gnus changing so often.  In the
final bit of testing prior to release I turned off the pointers to
other versions of Gnus and tm, and forgot about the private copy of
mailcrypt sitting in site-lisp.

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>>>>> "John" == John A Eikenberry <jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu> writes:

John> On 17 Oct 1996, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:

Hrvoje> What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an
Hrvoje> error?  Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X
Hrvoje> applications work?

Hrvoje> Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?
Hrvoje> `xemacs -nw'?  You will have to give more details for anyone
Hrvoje> to help you.

Words to the wise.

John> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps
John> -u), it doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my
John> other X apps work fine.

I've seen similar behavior on Linux/ELF with a corrupted or bad
/etc/hosts.

John> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my
John> xterm. 'xemacs -q' and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to
John> work. I guess this means that there is something wrong with my
John> .emacs file.

Perhaps.  Evaluate it line by line until something bad happens.

John> I didn't change anything in it, why would it have suddenly
John> caused xemacs to stop showing its X display?

If tracing through your .emacs proves fruitless, check your $DISPLAY,
and /etc/hosts for correctness.  You might also try running xemacs
under strace or the equivalent (a system call tracer) to see where
it's getting hung up.

What kind of system are you on?  Have you made any system changes
recently?
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>>>>> "Sailesh" == Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Sailesh> Dear All,

Sailesh> I do a lot of coding on remote machines on other campus
Sailesh> networks, and ange-ftp is really invaluable for me !
Sailesh> However, I really miss gdb on X(EmacS).

Sailesh> Compiling is a problem too, however I managed that by changing
Sailesh> the compile-command to use an rsh to execute in the remote
Sailesh> machine a script that changes to the right directory and runs
Sailesh> make. Worked fine for me .. however I could not try something
Sailesh> similar with gdb because although I tried changing the
Sailesh> gdb-command-name similarly, it tried using the rsh string as a
Sailesh> program instead of executing the command.

Yup.  That's not going to work due to the way the command line is
built.

Sailesh> It would be nice if we can have support for execution of a
Sailesh> debugger in a remote machine.

The 'gdb-command-name program is called like this:
gdb-command-name -fullname -cd directory-name file [core-file]

Why don't you make a shell script which executes the remote shell
command, and call that instead of a debugger directly?

Something like this

#! /bin/sh

rsh debug-host "gdb $*"


ought to work.
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>>>>> "steve" == steve farrell <spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> writes:

steve> first, i can't seem to find the following defined (only used)
steve> anywhere in the lisp sources (19.14)

steve> buffers-menu-filter

``C-h f buffers-menu-filter'' gives the first clue:
buffers-menu-filter: (menu)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
     ^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
This is the menu filter for the top-level buffers "Buffers" menu.
 ...

A scan of the lisp directories (grep def.*buffers-menu-filter */*.el)
reveals that it's defined in x11/x-menubar.el.

steve> and the reason i'm looking for it is because i'd like to have a
steve> special pop-up that only lists those buffers from the same
steve> major-mode.  (this is what i do 90% of the time when switching
steve> buffers).

steve> i have my buffer menu configured to make sub-menus for each of
steve> the major modes and simply need it to be this way b/c i use vm
steve> and gnus etc etc and hence have about 14 million buffers around
steve> after a while.

Sounds familiar.

steve> this is fine, but when i'm working on a mess of sources that
steve> are all of the same type, i'd like to be able to switch between
steve> them quickly wihtout having to find the appropriate submenu
steve> first.

steve> i located this bit of elisp:

 ...
steve> i assume the key here is:

steve> 	:filter buffers-menu-filter

steve> which i'm assuming takes that mess you get from 'list-buffers'
steve> and makes something parsable by
steve> 'popup-menu-and-execute-in-window'.  and hence assume i need to
steve> write my own filter that filters for the major mode i'm in...

This sounds correct.

steve> any suggestions here?

Taking a copy of buffers-menu-filter and modifying it to do as you
suggest should work.  This is the brute force way.  You could also try
fiddling with buffers-menu-omit-function, which might well be what you
really want:

C-h v buffers-menu-omit-function

buffers-menu-omit-function's value is buffers-menu-omit-invisible-buffers
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*If non-nil, a function specifying the buffers to omit from the buffers menu.
This is passed a buffer and should return non-nil if the buffer should be
omitted.  The default value `buffers-menu-omit-invisible-buffers' omits
buffers that are normally considered "invisible" (those whose name
begins with a space).

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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Ebert <gary@duckboy.rdss.com> writes:

Gary> First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
Gary> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
Gary> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
Gary> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
Gary> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
Gary> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
Gary> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
Gary> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
Gary> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Oops.  That error message means that XEmacs was unable to locate the
ispell program on disk.  This is not the same thing as the ispell.el
and ispell.elc in XEmacs.  Do you have ispell installed properly, and
in your shell $PATH?

I've never run XEmacs 19.11, so I don't know what version of ispell it
expects.  There are two major versions available and the higher
numbered one causes problems with ispell.el.  The commentary at the
top of ispell.el should say what version of ispell it is expecting.

$ ispell -v       
@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 10/10/95
@(#) Copyright (c), 1983, by Pace Willisson

Gary> Please help

Gary> BTW could you please e-mail me responces as well as posting b/c
Gary> I don't always get to read this group as much as I'd like to.

As per your request.

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before)
Richard> from my mail, news and many other programs.
                 ^^^^  ^^^^
A strange use of Gnuclient ;-), the best mail and news readers are a
part of XEmacs.

Richard> I was pleased to see that is is now possible to use a remote
Richard> server as this is often what I do, however there is one thing
Richard> I didn't figure out:

Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You could
also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around to an NFS
mounted disk.

Richard> If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
Richard> wishlist?

I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.
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>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

>> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

CR> % foreach f (*.C)
CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
CR> ? end

Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
so as to redirect stdio once for the whole thing as a single command
rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
enough in csh).

AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.

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From: bartro@unity.ncsu.edu (Vincent Bartro)
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Joel Shapiro (joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU) wrote (Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:05:40 -0400):
>From my .emacs file:
> 
> ;; so that hitting return automatically indents the next line without having
> ;; to insert spaces or tabs
> (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 

It works fine for C-mode.
Does something exist for fortran mode?

Thanks

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From: Burkhard Knopf <burkhard.knopf@informatik.tu-clausthal.de>
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>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:

 Douglas> Jason McLaren wrote:
 >> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled
 >> on a mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

 Douglas> The xemacs-19_13-ultrix-4_4.patch :
 Douglas> <http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>
 Douglas> suggests configuring with -rel-alloc=no as there seems to be
 Douglas> a problem with the relocating-allocator under Ultrix, might
 Douglas> be the same for XEmacs 19.14.

Looks like, yes. At least I had to apply the patches suggested in that
file to have XEmacs-19.14 run on an ULTRIX-4.4 DECstation.

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>> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
>> makes my current buffer called *.c
>> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
>> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
>> (running 19.14 on a linux box)
>
>Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
>a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
>and they'll let you edit a list of files.
>
>And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
>listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

this way, i still have to load each file one by one, if I have
100 *.c files in my dir, i want emacs to auto create 100 buffers
and load the whole kaboodle in, kind of like typing
xemacs *.c from the command line
:)


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From: chbe@sweng.stortek.com (Christophe Beljouani (Toulouse))
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Hello 

Does anyone know if the next version of xemacs (19.15) will, in 
the HTML mode, support HTML 3.x and at least, the frames (which 
appeared in html 3.x but i'm not sure of that)

Thanks for any help.

Christophe






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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: I need something like "reload-buffer". Who can help me ???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:49:27 -0700
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> Who could send me the required lisp-code ????

There is no lisp needed since 'revert-buffer' (who was responsible for
this name???) is the function you are looking for. The only thing you
might want to do is to wrap it up in a small defun (to avoid all the
questions 'Do you want to...'):

(defun revert-buffer-noconfirm ()
  (interactive "")
  (revert-buffer nil t)
  (message "buffer %s reloaded from disk." buffer-file-truename))

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Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:
> can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
> which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?
> 
> Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

This code fragment has been posted a little while ago. I have been
using it ever since and it fixes the problem, that you
mentioned. There might be other solutions, too. For instance, I have
been told that AucTeX is highly configurable, but I do not use it.

    (defun get-rid-of-quote ()
      "Switch the quote character back to its original meaning."
      (interactive)
      (local-set-key "\"" 'self-insert-command))
    (add-hook 'latex-mode-hook  'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook    'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook    'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook  'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'slitex-mode-hook 'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'bibtex-mode-hook 'get-rid-of-quote)

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"Karlheinz Nolte" <Karlheinz.Nolte@ks.sel.alcatel.de> writes:
> $ date
> Wed Oct 16 11:21:02 MET DST 1996
> 
> but XEmacs shows: 10:21
> 
> I think, XEmacs has its own zoneinfo files. The question is, where?

This seems to work perfectly fine on my Linux box. Maybe there is a
problem with the patch that you got for your Ultrix box? Do other
program exhibit similar behavior?



Markus

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Dear Netters,

  I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on a i386 machine with
i386-unknown-bsdi1.1 operating system. When I trun "configure" file, there
is an error message shown as:

src/config.h is unchanged
creating src/Makefile
Memory fault - core dumped

Does any one help me solve this problem?

P.S. If you have any solution, please send you solution to mailbox instead
of posting to this newsgroup because I don't subscribe this newsgroup.

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root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Me) writes:

> ok, I am brand new to emacs (well, to the concept of actually using
> it for work), as I have been a diehard VI fan all my life, but...

:-)

> 
> doesn't emacs do most of that already?  I mean, hit M-x compile,

Bind it to a key and have it in one key-stroke (e.g. one of the 'F?'
keys).  Also bind the 'next-error function to another key and let
emacs take you to the lines which caused the compiler to whip.

> and it will compile for you, you can debug with gdb in emacs
> transparently, I believe it has a file manager called DIRED?
> (may be wrong, just seen it briefly)...

Yes, Dired.  It can also integrate with ange-ftp to manage files over
ftp (e.g. open "/ftp@ftp.uu.net:/" and see what happens).

> Of course, it probably wont handle 'projects' etc etc, but overall

Why "of course"???  It has a very convenient (IMO) interface to RCS
and CVS (for a start, look under the "tools/version control" menu, but
in general a simple ^X^Q will create a new version and/or lock the
file for you).

I've allready writen a few medium-sized commercial products under this
environment and never regretted the (natural) choice.  I'm going to
start another project these days and have no second thoughts about the
tool I'm going to use for it.

> I find it to be quite useful for coding..

Understatement of the decade ? :-)

Cheers,

--Amos

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To: Sumit Das <sumit.das@fedex.com>
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Sumit Das writes:
 > 
 > Does anybody know where the commands associated with the toolbar 
 > icons are so one can change it ??

I've added to/configured my toolbar (and I make no guarantee that this
is the best way of doing this!).  The following is cut from my .emacs:

;; Toolbar
;; ps-print-with-faces or region-with-faces
(defun mat-print-with-faces ()
  (interactive "_")
  (if zmacs-region-active-p
      (ps-print-region-with-faces (region-beginning) (region-end))
    (ps-print-buffer-with-faces))
  )
(defun mat-unbury-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((bufs (buffer-list))
         (entry (1- (length bufs)))
         val)
    (while (not (setq val (nth entry bufs)
                      val (and (/= (aref (buffer-name val) 0)
                                   ? )
                               val)))
      (setq entry (1- entry)))
    (switch-to-buffer val))
)
(if (and (featurep 'toolbar) (eq (device-type (selected-device)) 'x)) 
    (progn (remove-specifier default-toolbar 'global) 
           (add-spec-list-to-specifier 
            default-toolbar 
            '((global 
               (nil 
                [toolbar-file-icon find-file t "Open a file"] 
                [toolbar-spell-icon toolbar-ispell t "Spellcheck"] 
                [toolbar-disk-icon save-buffer t "Save buffer"] 
                [toolbar-printer-icon mat-print-with-faces t "Print (pretty) buffer/region"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-cut-icon x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"] 
                [toolbar-copy-icon x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"] 
                [toolbar-paste-icon x-yank-clipboard-selection t "Paste from clipboard"] 
                [toolbar-replace-icon query-replace t "Replace text"] 
                [toolbar-undo-icon undo t "Undo edit"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-last-win-icon bury-buffer t "Previous buffer"] 
                [toolbar-next-win-icon mat-unbury-buffer t "Next buffer"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-compile-icon compile t "Compile"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-mail-icon vm t "Mail"] 
                [toolbar-news-icon gnus-other-frame t "News"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-info-icon toolbar-info t "Information"] 
                nil
;                [info::toolbar-exit-icon save-buffers-kill-emacs t "Exit XEmacs"] 
                ))))))

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How can I automatically format C++ source code files using XEmacs so
they comply to coding standards?
--

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In <m2u3rsg7zf.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

>Richard> I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before)
>Richard> from my mail, news and many other programs.
>                 ^^^^  ^^^^
>A strange use of Gnuclient ;-), the best mail and news readers are a
>part of XEmacs.

they are best, but slighlty slower and more resource hungry then
what I am used to.

>Richard> I was pleased to see that is is now possible to use a remote
>Richard> server as this is often what I do, however there is one thing
>Richard> I didn't figure out:

>Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
>Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
>Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
>Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
>Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

>You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You could
>also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around to an NFS
>mounted disk.

would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path? That is certainly
a workable solution, although I would much prefer specifying the local
filename together with an option that says ange-ftp should be used to 
access the file.

>Richard> If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
>Richard> wishlist?

>I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.
Never heard of "efs", I will have a look into the FAQ :-)

Bye
Richard


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In article <vafiv898ouj.fsf@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

>   Holger> could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.
> You can use environment variables for this.

Just to expand on this:
  setenv E /usr/gnu/emacs
  setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src
etc. It is *imperative* that you do not put a / at the end of the dir name.
Then in the minibuffer 
 C-x C-f  $E/my-file.el
You don't even have to clear the default path that emacs offers, because
when the env var is expanded it looks like
  /the/default/path//usr/gnu/emacs/my-file.el
and emacs clears up all before the doubled //.
One advantage is that you can use these env vars in shell scripts,
makefiles, etc. 

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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	Hi,

	Compiling the following function gives me no warning about
	function1. This is a serious fault because I can't be sure
	that all libraries are required since BC doesn't tell some
	function isn't known:

(defun test ()
  (interactive
   (list
    (non-existing-function1)
    ))
  (non-existing-function2))



broo jaalto % emc -x T
/opt/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 compilation...
Loading bytecomp...
Compiling /users/jaalto/T...
Loading cl-macs...
Loading byte-optimize...
While compiling the end of the data in file /users/jaalto/T:
  ** the function non-existing-function2 is not known to be defined.
Wrote /users/jaalto/T.elc

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Hello,

I just compiled the Xemacs 19.14 on a SUN (Solaris 2.4, SUN4M) with the GNU
gcc-2.7.2. I have used the following line to configure the Makefiles:

./configure --verbose --with-gcc --site-includes=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools/include --site-libraries=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools/lib --prefix=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools --dynamic=yes --with-tooltalk --with-sparcworks --with-tiff --cflags=-O --debug

The compilation works fine with no errors. There after I tried to execute 
xemacs in the source directory before installing xemacs.

	<xemacs src>/src/xemacs

after some seconds I got a beep and the message

	Wrong type argument: stringp, nil 

within the message/status line. Just before the error occurs, I have seen

	Loading cl-extra.el .....

The sparkworks menu button is missing as well as the XEMACS banner, which should
occur if I don't pass a file name via the command line. If I try 

	<xemacs src>/src/xemacs <testfile>

the <testfile> is not loaded.

Can any body tell me please, what goes wrong here, or how I can figure out what
happens ? I tried to load cl-extra.el and evaluate the entire buffer, but no
error occured.

I also remove all $HOME/.emacs files.

Thanks for any help in advance.

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"James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

> I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those
> files in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically
> wheneven I starting a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set
> ~/.emacs ?


Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:

>Check out the autoinsert package that comes with XEmacs
>(lisp/packages/autoinsert.el).

Also, check out the dmacro package which also does this, more
as an extra feature that its primary function, but nevertheless
works well.  I was unaware of autoinsert.el so I cannot compare
the two.

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"Markus Gutschke" <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:

> Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:
> > can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
> > which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?
> > 
> > Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!
> 
> This code fragment has been posted a little while ago. I have been
> using it ever since and it fixes the problem, that you
> mentioned. There might be other solutions, too. For instance, I have
> been told that AucTeX is highly configurable, but I do not use it.

A pity, as AucTeX has better macro completion, crossref following,
menu entries, TeX running wrappers, a much easier user interface,
automatic handling of \include hierarchies, much better and more
useful formatting and indenting of text, environment and macro name
completion, sensible printer interfacing, and so on.

On the topic of quotes: AucTeX recognizes from the packages you use
(like german.sty) whether or not you'd want quotes to be expanded or
left intact.

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>>>>> "Ajay" == Ajay Patel <ajayp@raleigh.ibm.com> writes:

  Ajay> How can I automatically format C++ source code files using XEmacs so
  Ajay> they comply to coding standards?

Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
XEmacs.

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I'm trying to type the german "umlaute" or something like  in 
xemacs-19.14 with the compose-key on my Sun keyboard. This works well
with GNU emacs-19.** but the xemacs always complains, that the
"multi-key" is not defined.
What do I have to do to get the "expected behaviour of my compose key?

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Subject: Ctags and etags

Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?

The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
there another version of etags?

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Hi,

I have Emacs installed on my Solaris x86.
I program on C language and I'd like the Emacs to color my code.
But sometimes when it loades the file it doesn't color it at all.
Then I issue the command "M-x font-lock-mode". It colors the color
using some owfull color scheme. If I issue the command "hilit-..."
it colors the code to better colors. But when I type something it returns
to the previous scheme.

Questions.

1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence runs Emacs
    when it starts? when it loads a file?

2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring schemes?

Please reply to arier@comverse.com

Best regards,

Alex Rier




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Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?

	Not that I know of.

>The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
>give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
>This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
>there another version of etags?

	I was annoyed when I first started using etags that etags didn't
distinguish between a type definition and its use as a return type, so I asked
about other versions and the only reply I got was:

Tracey Bernath 913.534.3070 <tracey@dns.sprintcorp.com> writes:
>Dan:
>
>Not sure that this helps, but try the package etags++ which is part of 
>cie (c++ in emacs), the latest I have is version cie_2_1.tar.gz.
>
>It has a C parser for etags++, which I've modified many times to accept
>other keywords. We use XShell distributed obejcts, and they use the keywords
>'module' and 'adt' which get preprocessed into 'class' at code generation
>time.  It was a 5 minute job to patch and rebuild the code.
>
>Hope this helps.
>Trace

	I haven't tried it, so I don't know if it fixes either of our
problems (which may be the same?).

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Hello,

do you know any package for Xemacs for handling adresses ?
Thanks in advance
Jens

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>>>>> arier  writes:

  Alex> Questions.

  Alex> 1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence
  Alex>     runs Emacs when it starts? when it loads a file?

The Emacs info node "Init File" explains this rather well, so I'm
quoting it here:

,-----
| File: emacs,  Node: Init File,  Prev: Syntax,  Up: Customization
| 						     
| The Init File, `~/.emacs'			   
| =========================			   
| 						     
|    When Emacs is started, it normally loads a Lisp program from the file
| `.emacs' in your home directory.  We call this file your "init file"
| because it specifies how to initialize Emacs for you.  You can use the
| command line switches `-q' and `-u' to tell Emacs whether to load an
| init file, and which one (*note Entering Emacs::.).
| 						     
|    There can also be a "default init file", which is the library named
| `default.el', found via the standard search path for libraries.  The
| Emacs distribution contains no such library; your site may create one
| for local customizations.  If this library exists, it is loaded
| whenever you start Emacs (except when you specify `-q').  But your init
| file, if any, is loaded first; if it sets `inhibit-default-init'
| non-`nil', then `default' is not loaded.	   
| 						     
|    Your site may also have a "site startup file"; this is named
| `site-start.el', if it exists.  Emacs loads this library before it
| loads your init file.  To inhibit loading of this library, use the
| option `-no-site-file'.				   
| 						     
|    If you have a large amount of code in your `.emacs' file, you should
| move it into another file such as `~/SOMETHING.el', byte-compile it,
| and make your `.emacs' file load it with `(load "~/SOMETHING")'.  *Note
| Byte Compilation: (elisp)Byte Compilation, for more information about
| compiling Emacs Lisp programs.			   
| 						     
| * Menu:						   
| 						     
| * Init Syntax::	     Syntax of constants in Emacs Lisp.
| * Init Examples::    How to do some things with an init file.
| * Terminal Init::    Each terminal type can have an init file.
| * Find Init::	     How Emacs finds the init file.
`-----

  Alex> 2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring
  Alex> schemes?

See the variable font-lock-face-attributes.  You can set it like so:

(setq font-lock-face-attributes
      ;   FACE                   FG    BG      BOLD? ITALIC? UNDERLINE?
      '( (font-lock-comment-face nil   "green" nil   t       nil)
         (font-lock-string-face  "red" nil     t     nil     nil)
         ... more lines like this ...
       ) )

For FG and BG, nil means default, for BOLD?, ITALIC? and UNDERLINE?,
nil means no, t means yes.

ATTN you will need a line for *every* (font-lock) face there is, so
you should issue the command M-x list-faces-display RET first, then
scan the resulting list for faces font-lock-FOO-face.  Include a line
for every such face in the statement as shown above.  Using M-x
list-faces-display RET will also help you in more easily identifying
the faces that you're trying to change.

hth,
kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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In <x74tjwfg9a.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

>>> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

>CR> % foreach f (*.C)
>CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
>CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
>CR> ? end

>Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
>so as to redirect stdio once for the whole thing as a single command
>rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
>enough in csh).

>AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.


If someone asks for help with a mode for perl, tcl, scsh, or
whatever, one should either help them, not attack their choice of
shell.  This is an emacs newsgroup, not comp.lang.csh.jihad.

You're arguing syntax over function.  If you get the same functionality
which you are after (multiple commands executed inside a loop)
then you *are* able to do this.  If you want to be able to do it
using 2>&1 you won't be able to do it because {t,}csh doesn't support
this.  Along the same lines, sh doesn't support bindkey--does that
mean that those who like using sh as their command line shell should
be forced to not use it because it's "inferior"?  And to push it
a step farther, neither sh nor {t,}csh provide support for mapcar,
yet I find them both usable in their appropriate contexts (though
I've stopped using bourne since perl5 does so much more).

On the other hand, if a language has a horribly ugly syntax (and one
has a choice) don't use it.  I find tcl's syntax to be pretty bad so I
tend to write things in C, gawk, scsh, or perl5.  If it's something
simple I'll probably write it in tcsh (depending on the extent of
quoting involved).  If it requires functions, either scsh or perl5.

csh and tcsh are not appropriate for all purposes.  Neither is any
other language, regardless of whether it's a shell language or a
standard programming language.  My objection is that people dismiss
tcsh as not being capable of doing things which it can do simply
because Tom has said that csh can't do certain things.  It *is* a fact
that {t,}csh have syntactical problems, but that doesn't stop (eg) the
tcl fanatics from using tcl (which has syntactical problems) nor does
it stop perl programmers from programming in perl (which is quite
functional, if ugly ;)

--
Ken Bibb        (voice) 415-933-7865 - (fax) 415-390-6236
kbibb@csd.sgi.com	         Global Technology Center
Silicon Graphics, Inc.          Mountain View, California

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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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first, the reason that it was recoloring was because font-lock-mode
will continually color your buffer (actually only the current line
that editing is being done on) when you type certain characters (like
space, semi-colon, braces...etc...) since you had turned on font lock
mode it was recollloring the  buffer ever if hilit-19 was coloring
too... so you kinda needed to turn off font-lock-mode.

In article <NEWTNews.845686529.32645.meiray1@dialup.netvision.net.il>,
 <arier@comverse.com> wrote:

% 1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence runs Emacs
%     when it starts? when it loads a file?
% 

it loads the ~/.emacs file on startup of emacs and excutes the commands
sequentially until in encounters and error, then it bails.

on loading a file, it can do manyt things... many times there is a mode
a-list that tells emacs which major mode to change into when a file with
a certain extention is loaded... e.g., when emacs loads a .c file it starts
up c-mode (or cc-mode depending on your setup).  Now all of these
modes have a corresponding hook (c-mode-hook cc-mode-hook) that execute
whenever that mode is invoked... inside of the function, you can have
a bunch of other commands and the such...  one of mine is to turn on
font-lock-mode.

font-lock-mode also has a few of these hooks, actually one for each major
mode that can invoke it... there is a font-lock-mode-hook for c mode (but
i cannt remmeber the naming convention for it) and there is also a
generic-font-lock-mode-hook (i think that is the name)... and the name is
as it implies... every time font-lock-mode is invoked in the c major mode,
it executes that hook, and it executes that generic (common?) hook
every time font lock mode is started...


% 2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring schemes?
% 

the eassier way to learn is to read the font-lock.el file on your system...
it does a decent job of explaining how to add new modes and how to
change the colorization, it also tells how to set up other variables
associated with it...  you can also read the info page for it in emacs
if they are installed...


jay

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In article <om7moolbj2.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
% In article <vafiv898ouj.fsf@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

% Just to expand on this:
%   setenv E /usr/gnu/emacs
%   setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src


HACK!!!... i couldnt think of a worse hack to solve the problem...

write your own load function that takes in a file name and looks for it
in a specified list of paths...

it should be fairly simply...

hey, i think that emacs alrady does this too... its just a matter of
finding the correct list... like the auto-expand list...


jay


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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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Greetings,

I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
(wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")

Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
  gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")
  (cond ((gnus-server-opened) (message "")) ((gnus-open-server
gnus-nntp-server gnus-nntp-service) (message "")) (t (error ...)))
)
  (if (gnus-server-opened) nil (if (or confirm ...) (if
gnus-nntp-service ... ...)) (if (or ... ...) (setq gnus-nntp-server
...)) (cond (... ... ... ...) (... ... ... ...) (t ... ...)) (run-hooks
(quote gnus-open-server-hook)) (cond (... ...) (... ...) (t ...)))
)
  gnus-start-news-server(nil)
  (progn (switch-to-buffer (get-buffer-create gnus-group-buffer))
(gnus-group-mode) (gnus-start-news-server confirm))
)
  (unwind-protect (progn (switch-to-buffer ...) (gnus-group-mode)
(gnus-start-news-server confirm)) (if (not ...) (gnus-group-quit) (setq
mode-line-process ...) (let ... ... ... ...) (run-hooks ...)
(gnus-setup-news) (if gnus-novice-user ...) (gnus-group-list-groups
nil)))
)
  gnus(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus)
  command-execute(gnus t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("	! p      +eb `!y`|   @>
etc., etc.....

The name of the server is correct, and I assume that nntp is the
correct method to attach to the news server.  Can anyone provide
any clues as to what may be wrong?

Thanx,

Kevin
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:22:45 -0400
From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs

)     Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
)     Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
)     Jason> wrote:
) 
)     Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
)     Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.
) 
)     Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
)     Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
)     Jason> know...
) 
) C-x h M-x indent-region RET
) 
) -Pez


ummm.. nope... guess again... that will only indent, it will not
reformat code to conform to coding standards, such as where braces go
and when to use braces, spacing, blah blah blah...

of course it would be cool to make a program that does this and also
does const placement and checking.... that would be cool.



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    Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
    Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
    Jason> wrote:

    Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
    Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.

    Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
    Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
    Jason> know...

C-x h M-x indent-region RET

-Pez

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Bruce Sams wrote:

> I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
> with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
> the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
> using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
> has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them
> all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
> the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
> fixed.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
> is a cross-group posting.

HP's SoftBench product does a pretty nice job of integrating all
the features you mentioned.  It can integrate with any editor on
a file-by-file basis, but you get even better integration if you
use emacs, XEmacs or one of SoftBench's built-in editors (it comes
with two editors.  One has emacs keybindings, and the other is vi
with a GUI).

In addition, it also comes with nice debugging, profiling, cross-
referencing, static analysis, and automatic makefile generation
tools to name a few.  And they're all nicely integrated into the
SoftBench GUI / development environment.

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

->-----------------------------------------------------------------
-> "I haven't commented the source code particularly well, but
->  according to the MS Word grammar-checker, it's written at the
->  eigth-grade level, so you shouldn't have too much trouble going
->  through it."
-> 
-> Robert Polic, Be Inc.

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Jason Nordwick (nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
> as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
> would be cool to know...

It depends on what you call `formatting'.  You can indent every line
in the buffer as if you went line by line and pressed TAB, with
`C-x h M-x indent-region'.

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Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is entered
BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e => e-acute).

With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothing
similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manual
and the elisp archive.


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Also, Esc-/ (dabbrev-expand)

For all key bindings, C-h b
(a little better than random combinations, but perhaps less fun ;)

Also, check out the etags program (comes with XEmacs).  Then you could use
M-. (find-tag) with point on function to take you to the function-definition.

root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Jeff) writes:

> >ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
> >function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
> >this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
> >something that will figure out function/var names and allow
> >me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?
> 
> aha! whilst poking away trying random key combinations (;))
> I discovered that M-C-/ does name completion.....
> :)

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cb (C beautifier) comes to mind.  It does some "stylistic" formatting of C
code.  Not sure if this is extensible to C++ or a modified version of cb
exists to format C++ source code.

cb is a standard utility on most UNIX systems, I believe.

"Eeore" <nordwick@XCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:

> From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
> 
> )     Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
> )     Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
> )     Jason> wrote:
> ) 
> )     Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
> )     Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.
> ) 
> )     Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
> )     Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
> )     Jason> know...
> ) 
> ) C-x h M-x indent-region RET
> ) 
> ) -Pez
> 
> 
> ummm.. nope... guess again... that will only indent, it will not
> reformat code to conform to coding standards, such as where braces go
> and when to use braces, spacing, blah blah blah...
> 
> of course it would be cool to make a program that does this and also
> does const placement and checking.... that would be cool.
> 
> 

-- 

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is
Richard> accessible localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote
Richard> machine running the server? This is the typical case when
Richard> used with mail programs that invoke gnuclient with a file in
Richard> /tmp or so which of course is not nfs-mounted on any other
Richard> machine.

sb> You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You
sb> could also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around
sb> to an NFS mounted disk.

Richard> would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path?

It doesn't look like ange-ftp can handle it, so I would be very
surprised if gnuclient could.

The interaction between variable expansion in filenames and ange-ftp
is unclean.  Ange-ftp intercepts file names before they get passed to
the lower layers of XEmacs, and the lower layers of XEmacs are where
variables get expanded.  Right now, you just can't do both.

You might try looking at gnudoit which will let you send arbitrary
lisp commands, and give you more flexibility.

sb> I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.

Richard> Never heard of "efs", I will have a look into the FAQ :-)

There's nothing about efs in the FAQ other than noting the possibility
it may be included in 19.15.  (Sorry).
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrv> BTW, why doesn't XEmacs dired highlight the files by default
Hrv> (different colors for different files)?

I use:
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              '(lambda ()
                 (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                 (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                 (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t)

We probably should either default it, or put it into the sample.emacs.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Following up to my own post to correct a typo. :-(

sb> I use:
sb> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
sb>           '(lambda ()
sb>              (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
sb>              (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
sb>              (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
sb>           t)

Oops.  Friends don't let friends quote lambda functions.  I really meant:

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook
          (lambda ()
            (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
          t)

Sorry.
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Kuester <haku@force.de> writes:

Harald> I just compiled the Xemacs 19.14 on a SUN (Solaris 2.4, SUN4M)
Harald> with the GNU

Harald> 	Wrong type argument: stringp, nil 

This sounds like the known problem of having a naked colon at the
beginning or end of $PATH.

You shouldn't have `.' in the PATH, but if you must use `.:' at the
beginning of the PATH, or `:.' at the end.  This problem has been
fixed for 19.15.
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
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Hi out there in Xemacs Land,

I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...

I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
to make it dbx compatible. 

Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?

THANKS!!!

Darren Toler
d.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
> toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
> (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
> 
> Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
>   gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")
>   (cond ((gnus-server-opened) (message "")) ((gnus-open-server
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> )

[...]

>   gnus-start-news-server(nil)

This can't be found in the Gnus 5.2 version of Gnus, so you probably
have an old version of this function defined somewhere.  
`C-h f gnus-start-news-server RET' should probably tell you where it's
defined.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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Hi,
I am using xemacs-19.13 under TriTeals TED 4.0.  I am running sol2.4
on a RDI Powerlite.

When bringing up a session, I get the following warnings:
(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

In My .emacs file, I have the following set:
(make-face 'bold-italic)
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font)
'((global (nil . "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*...))))
---> and other such declarations.

When I do a xlsfonts under openwin - no "dt" fonts exist.
When I do a xlsfonts under TED - there are "dt" fonts.

Any Ideas as to what is going on here???????
Why can I not find this font which is apparetly valid (so sayeth 
xslfonts) ????

Thanks in advance....
ESR

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From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
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Subject: Re: Viper distribution?
Date: 19 Oct 1996 03:01:11 -0400
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evan@cyber2.servtech.com (evan cheng) writes:

> Where can I find the complete distribution of Viper, including
> documentation?

in any emacs 19.30 and later and xemacs 19.13 and later.


Michael Kifer
kifer@cs.sunysb.edu

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From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
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Subject: Re: starting viper
Date: 19 Oct 1996 02:59:10 -0400
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ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) writes:

> 
> Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper mode?
> (Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave.


(require 'viper)




Michael Kifer
kifer@cs.sunysb.edu
http:/www.cs.sunysb.edu/~kifer/  

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Srinivas Maddhi (smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu) wrote:
> cb (C beautifier) comes to mind.  It does some "stylistic" formatting of C
> code.  Not sure if this is extensible to C++ or a modified version of cb
> exists to format C++ source code.
> cb is a standard utility on most UNIX systems, I believe.

It is better to use indent, which is also standard, much better, and
later versions of which support C++.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
The IDIOT.  Usually a cretin, morpohodite, or old COBOL programmer
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> I use:
>     (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>               '(lambda ()
>                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>               t)

YES!  It works.

> We probably should either default it, or put it into the
> sample.emacs.

I vote for default.  We can put in the sample.emacs how to disable
it. :))

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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Following up to my own post to correct a typo. :-(

Why?  The post was correct.  You may either use
(add-hook 'name '(lambda ...))

or

(add-hook 'name (function (lambda ...)))

They are the same thing -- quotes in this case serve as a shorthand to
'function, just like quotes in '(1 2 3) are short for (list 1 2 3).

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>>>>> "H" == H M Chen <H.M.Chen@durham.ac.uk> writes:

H> Dear Netters,

H>   I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on a i386 machine with
H> i386-unknown-bsdi1.1 operating system. When I trun "configure" file, there
H> is an error message shown as:

H> src/config.h is unchanged
H> creating src/Makefile
H> Memory fault - core dumped

H> Does any one help me solve this problem?

Is the core file coming from sed?  You might try switching versions of
it and see if that helps.  Otherwise it sounds like you have a system
problem.

GNU sed version 2.05 is known to work (later versions are extremely
bloated pigs and hardly worth using).
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>>>>> "Christophe" == Christophe Beljouani (Toulouse) <chbe@sweng.stortek.com> writes:

Christophe> Hello 

Christophe> Does anyone know if the next version of xemacs (19.15)
Christophe> will, in the HTML mode, support HTML 3.x and at least, the
Christophe> frames (which appeared in html 3.x but i'm not sure of
Christophe> that)

The frame stuff first appears in html-cougar, and was introduced on
Wednesday 12-July-1996, so it couldn't have been included in XEmacs
19.14.  The html-cougar dtd is currently included with XEmacs 19.15,
but due to the use of multibyte characters and the way psgml mode is
coded, doesn't work.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Greetings,
Kevin> I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
Kevin> toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
Kevin> (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")

Kevin> Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
Kevin> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
Kevin>   gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")


If this advice doesn't help, I encourage you to submit the same bug
report to the Gnus Towers with C-c C-b.


It sounds like you have misconfigured your gnus-select-method.

It should look like:
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.ml.com"))

and not:
(setq gnus-select-method '("nntp" "news.ml.com"))

I'm guessing the latter is how you are currently configured.
-- 
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>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Folske <kafolske@pefs1.micron.com> writes:

Keith> I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.
Keith> I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
Keith> at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Keith> Xemacs seems to be adding these file types before the .emacs file is
Keith> read:

Keith> The code in the .emacs file looks like this:

Keith> (setq auto-mode-alist
Keith>      (cons auto-mode-alist
Keith> 	(list
Keith> 	        '("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.c$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		auto-mode-alist))
Keith> )

Keith> Help, I'm conused!

Your use of cons is incorrect for what you're trying to achieve.  Try
something like this instead:

(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append (list '("\\.C\\'"  . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.cc\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.t\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.hh\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.c\\'"  . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.h\\'"  . c++-mode))
 	      auto-mode-alist))

Note that you should also prefer the use of \' (\\' when it appears in
a Lisp string) instead of $ when matching the end of a string.
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>>>>> "Lee" == Lee E Brotzman <leb@vicon.net> writes:

Lee> I have a problem with viewing LaTeX documents under Xemacs that
Lee> does not arise under GNU Emacs.  ...

Lee> Under GNU Emacs, xdvi will automatically detect that the dvi file
Lee> created by the tex-buffer command (C-c C-b) has changed, and the
Lee> screen will update itself when I bring the xdvi window to the
Lee> foreground.  It doesn't work this way under Xemacs, however.

Try the attached patch to tex-mode.el and see if it helps.

To apply the patch, cd to the directory where tex-mode.el lives, and
execute the command ``patch -p0 << this-news-article''  (the patch
program should be somewhere in your PATH).

Replace ``this-news-article'' with the filename containing this article.

Then byte compile tex-mode.el with:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile tex-mode.el

And restart XEmacs.

Alternatively, if you can't patch it, replace the XEmacs tex-print
function in tex-mode.el with the function in tex-mode.el in the GNU
Emacs 19.34 distribution, and rebytecompile and restart.

*** tex-mode.el~	Fri Mar 24 16:27:11 1995
--- tex-mode.el	Sat Oct 19 11:42:49 1996
***************
*** 807,815 ****
    (let ((print-file-name-dvi (tex-append tex-print-file ".dvi"))
  	test-name)
      (if (and (not (equal (current-buffer) tex-last-buffer-texed))
  	     (file-newer-than-file-p
  	      (setq test-name (tex-append (buffer-file-name) ".dvi"))
! 	      print-file-name-dvi))
  	(setq print-file-name-dvi test-name))
      (if (not (file-exists-p print-file-name-dvi))
          (error "No appropriate `.dvi' file could be found")
--- 807,817 ----
    (let ((print-file-name-dvi (tex-append tex-print-file ".dvi"))
  	test-name)
      (if (and (not (equal (current-buffer) tex-last-buffer-texed))
+ 	     (buffer-file-name)
+ 	     ;; Check that this buffer's printed file is up to date.
  	     (file-newer-than-file-p
  	      (setq test-name (tex-append (buffer-file-name) ".dvi"))
! 	      (buffer-file-name)))
  	(setq print-file-name-dvi test-name))
      (if (not (file-exists-p print-file-name-dvi))
          (error "No appropriate `.dvi' file could be found")

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In article <548jnb$j4d@agate.berkeley.edu> nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick) writes:

> %   setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src
> HACK!!!... i couldnt think of a worse hack to solve the problem...

And why is that? God gaveth thou the unix environment to use and enjoy!

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From: Athena <a123646176@mail.chinatrust.com.tw>
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-- 
 Amadeus <mobody@my.house> wrote in article
<01bbb8c2$48e5b340$b04cfccd@zook.exis.net>...
 I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
 to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.
 
 Of course I thought this was rediculous ,or some type of pyramid.
 I talked it over with my family, an attorney, and my friends, and
 they all agreed it was some sort of scam.I hate scams because
 usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me!
 I blew it off for a few weeks then saw another one in a
 newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is legitimate!".
 Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the morning on
 my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day.
 
 Well, two weeks later,I began recieving money in the mail!
 I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big bucks!
 At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a
 couple of thousand , then BOOM . By the end of the fourth
 week , I had recieved nearly $29,000.00. It came from all
 over the world.And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had
 enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.
 
 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.
 Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks.  Dave Manning claims
 he made $53,664 in the same amount of time.  Dan Shepstone says it was
 only $17,000 for him.  Do I know these folks?  No, but when I read how
 they say they did it, it made sense to me.  Enough sense that I'm
 taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money.  Not a big chance, I
 admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone
 ever invests in this system.  Period.  That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan
 invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each,
 in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works in 3
 easy steps:
 
 STEP 1.
 
 Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate
 pieces of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING
 LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;
 you're paying for a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill, money order,
 or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail
 to the following five addresses: (Remember: It costs more to send a
 letter to Europe, Asia or so)
 
  1.   Kristoffer Hochnowski
        Peter Ostbyes gt.8
        3014 Drammen
        Norway
 
  2.    Kevin Marshall
        2320 Crystal Downs Ct.
        Oxnard, CA 93030
        USA
 
 3.   Robbie Taylor
       3104 Sherry Dr.
       Raliegh, NC 27604
       USA 
 
  4.  Erik Platte 
       26 Bolling Road
       Portsmouth, VA 23701

  5.  Ming-huang Yang
	8F-7 No.274 Jiing-Shinq Rd.
	taipei, 117 
	Taiwan	  

 STEP 2.
 
     Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
     other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
     Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.
 
 STEP 3.
 
     Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at
     least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
     Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember
     the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
     article and send you cash!
 
 STEP 4.
 
      You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
      returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the internet is new
      and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
     Now here is how and why this system works:
 
     Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
     Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
     money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
     Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200
     additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings.On
     average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
     #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
     Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your
     name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
     They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
     postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
     Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at
     #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off
     the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 200
     postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
     From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
     you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.
 
     REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
     NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY!
     GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
     WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

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Hello,

I have in .emacs:

(setq line-number-mode t)

which places the line number on the modeline, like:  ---L12---

Now, what I can't seem to get to work is:

=================================================================
column-number-mode
  Command: Toggle Column Number mode.
  Variable: *Non-nil means display column number in modeline.
  Plist: 1 property (variable-documentation)

column-number-mode: (arg)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
Toggle Column Number mode.
With arg, turn Column Number mode on iff arg is positive.
When Column Number mode is enabled, the column number appears
in the modeline.
=================================================================


I have tried placing ~/.emacs:

	(setq column-number-mode t)

and interactive

	M-x column-number-mode

Yet there is no ----L23--C25-- on the modeline (or however it
is presented)


Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Please 'CC:' reply to:  naderr@usa.net


ps: What MIME package does xemacs-19.15 come with? I still get
metamail with content-type this n that in it ... ;))))


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From: Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu>
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Subject: ftp file perms
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I tried to create a file ".netrc" in a remote host using ange-ftp in
XEmacs. The file was there after I saved it but with permission
"rw-rw-rw-"!! Thank god, I saw it immediately and removed permission to
"go". Is there something that I can set in XEmacs or somewhere so that
whenever I create files in a remote host using XEmacs it will have
permission "rw-------" (600). That is, something similar to "umask 077"
in tcsh. Thanks. I do not know Lisp!

Anand

PS: Send me an email too, please.
-- 
Anand Pillai
Graduate Research Assistant
NSF-Engineering Research Center for Computational Field Simulation
Mississippi State University
URL : http://www.erc.msstate.edu/~anand

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Posting-frequency: monthly (on or about the 19th)
Last-modified: Oct 19 16:45 PST 1996
URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html

[Yes, the FAQ has been updated this month.  I've removed some old
questions, added some new ones, and no doubt haven't covered properly
material that should be covered.  I'm open to any reasonable
suggestion as to shortening the length, or adding new material. -sb]


                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 6 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on October 19, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version? [updated]
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages? [updated]
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible? [updated]
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
          + Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]
          + Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus? [updated]

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32. Gnus 5.0.15 is the most recent version that
   will work with old emacsen like XEmacs 19.13.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
   As of October 17, Red Gnus is in feature freeze, and the expected
   release date of Gnus 5.4 is late December.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need? [updated]

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.14 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]

   You don't. Gnus is distributed with both emacsen, use the version of
   Gnus that comes with your emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]

   You are attempting to use the mailcrypt 3.4 distribution with Gnus
   5.3. Mailcrypt 3.4 needs some minor patches to work with Gnus 5.[23],
   that are present in the version of mailcrypt distributed with XEmacs
   19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .gnus file.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]

   Make sure you kill your unsubscribed groups. This will make Gnus start
   much faster, and keep your .newsrc file sizes down to boot.
   
   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
   Please note that this also works with ISO-Latin 1 characters like:
(setq user-full-name "Finn Hkansson")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?

   The Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes:
   Just use C-u SPC or C-u RET for entering the group.
   
   Gnus 5.4 has a more convenient mechanism whereby you can mark
   individual groups so that they will always show previously read mail
   with:

(display . all)

   in the group parameters.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible [updated]

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   I've added a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable to match
   groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there are unread
   articles in the groups or not. I've also added a visible group
   parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]

   Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
   With procmail, you cannot write directly into the nnml directories.
   You must create spool files that will be merged into the nnml
   directories at times of Gnus' choosing. Asynch delivery just isn't in
   the cards.
   
   I just posted my setup a week ago. Here it is one more time:
(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-use-procmail t
 nnmail-spool-file 'procmail            ; same as nnmail-use-procmail :-)
 nnmail-procmail-directory "~/.incoming/"
 nnmail-delete-incoming t
)

   And then I have procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool and
   ~/.incoming/list.traffic.spool and so on. The name before .spool
   becomes the nnml: folder in which the stuff will end up.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]

   The standard technique is to place all your mail groups at levels 1 or
   level 2. Then you can do a 2 g, or 1 g which will then only fetch new
   mail and not bother with new news.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1995, 1996 Free Software Foundation. Please
   send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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Subject: column-number-mode
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Hi,


Does column-number-mode work?

I have in ~/.emacs:

;; line number
(setq line-number-mode t)
;; column number 
(setq column-number-mode t)


but I only get the ---L12--- line number ... no columns

I also tried: M-x column-number-mode


TIA,

	Rob -


Please 'CC:' me a reply ....

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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@dca2.nse.com.au> writes:

root> Now, what I can't seem to get to work is:

root> =================================================================
root> column-number-mode
root>   Command: Toggle Column Number mode.

root> column-number-mode: (arg)
root>   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.


root> I have tried placing ~/.emacs:

root> 	(setq column-number-mode t)

root> and interactive

root> 	M-x column-number-mode

root> Yet there is no ----L23--C25-- on the modeline (or however it
root> is presented)


root> Any ideas greatly appreciated.

root> Please 'CC:' reply to:  naderr@usa.net

I just posted the solution to this problem a week ago.

Quoting from:
Date: 12 Oct 1996 22:20:51 -0700
Message-ID: <m23ezjl9sc.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>
Subject: Re: How to set line/column number to start from 1?
 ...
This appears to be a problem with XEmacs 19.14.  There is no column
number because there is no magic in the default modeline-format to
deal with it.

If you haven't touched the modeline-format variable, you can put this
in your .emacs: (This will make it match the setting it will have in
19.15)

(cl-set-nthcdr 11
               modeline-format
               '((column-number-mode "C%c--") (-3 . "%p") "-%-"))


root> ps: What MIME package does xemacs-19.15 come with? I still get
root> metamail with content-type this n that in it ... ;))))

tm, Tools for MIME will be bundled with XEmacs 19.15.
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Try M-x display-column-mode instead.

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Hi!
	Where can I get (are there any?) modes for writing YACC and
LEX stuff?

	Thanks,
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I'm having a problem with pre-compiled 19.14 crashing out with buffers
>200k.  This is happening on HP_UX 9.05 and Solaris 2.5 machines.  Any
suggestions....
thanks
mike n.

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2 problems
1> the configure script automatically includes -llw library when
compiling with-x option, without checking if it exists.

2> When i compile emacs without the x option, it compiles fine, except
when i run it, it gives an error message "Memory Exhausted". Is there
some option i am not setting?

thanks
Birdy Amrutur

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Gary Ebert <gary@duckboy.rdss.com> writes:
> 	First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Did you doublecheck, that "ispell" is actually available on your
system? It should be in one of the standard directories (I assume,
XEmacs searches along the $PATH environment variable, but I am not
100% certain). On my system, it is installed in /usr/bin/ispell. I
have "International Ispell Version 3.1.18 01/14/95", but other
versions might work as well. Also, make sure that you installed all of
the dictionaries that you intend to use.



Markus

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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@oak73.doc.ic.ac.uk>
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Subject: Incorporating Xemacs into another application
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OK, further to my earlier question about using X?emacs from within another
application, a couple of people have kindly suggested that I use Xemacs as an
X widget and integrate it that way.
This sounds like it could be what we want but I'm afraid I can't find any
documentation for this idea - can any one point me at some concrete info on 
this please? Anything will do. The project is still at the specification stage
but we really need to have a working prototype in 2-3 weeks so I'm going to 
have to put some serious work in. I need to know if emacs is the way to go or 
whether we need to look at another text editor.

To those that replied to my earlier vague message
(steve@miranova.com and stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk) cheers!
Here are some more details, if anyone thinks they can help - or can foresee a 
serious problem in going with emacs please tell me. We're still casting about
for ideas here.

The first stage of the project involves combining a text editor and a dvi
viewer into one application (we figure Xemacs and a customised version of 
xdvi).

The idea is to have one large window split into 2. On the left, a text editor
will be used to input LaTex code. A large and rather obviously labelled
'Update' button will be used by the user to compile the LaTex and the result
(the contents of the dvi file that resulted from the compilation) will be 
displayed in the right hand window - in other words a kind of WYSIWYG LaTex 
editor.
(for anyone who is interested phase 2 involves introducing checkpoints into the
LaTex compilation process so we can speed it up by only compiling those parts
of the Latex source file that have changed - this will speed things up further
towards a true WYSIWYG system)

We're thinking of using Tcl/Tk to build the application (either directly or 
as a library with the code written in C).

Ok, what I need to know is can anyone point me in the direction of any example
code that uses Emacs as an embedded editor?
Can anyone see any major pitfalls in this (admittedly naive and initial) 
strategy? e.g. will using th Tcl/Tk library preclude the integration of Xemacs
as an X widget?

Any help would be brilliant thanx.
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Subject: Problems with xemacs binaries for linux
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When i try to run xemacs binaries i have found in ftp sites, i'm always
getting the same note:
xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Segmentation fault


Can anyone help ?

I'm running Linux slackware 3.0.0 with gcc 2.7.0 + elf support.

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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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I'd like to try psgml-mode for xemacs as a means of creating HTML
documents. I currently use html-helper-mode, but I understand that
psgml-mode offers some benefits over html-helper-mode:

  o Using the proper DTD, only the valid tags are available, based on
    document context.
  o (I think) it does superior fontification, indentation than
    html-helper-mode. (I base this only on
    http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/wingpsgml-mode.gif and what I've read in
    comp.emacs.xemacs.)
  o It is possible to use it with an external tool -- sgmls -- for document
    authentification.

I haven't tried it yet. In fact, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the info pages.

Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode in xemacs?
Steven Baur: I propose that such an intro would be a nice addition to the
Xemacs FAQ.

I am not interested in other DTD's beyond HTML right now. What I would like
to edit HTML documents using a DTD that supports some of the newer tags in
HTML. Is there such a thing as a Netscape DTD?

I'd like to see examples of useful initialization code for psgml-mode, for
instance:

  o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever I open a file
    ending in .htm*?
  o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
    the "proper" header and footer information inserted? (By proper, I mean
    things like the SGML declaration, document type, local variables,
    etc. I did something like this in html-helper-mode with
    (setq html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)
  o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put it? Do I need
    to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?) to my pc for things like
    HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?
  o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML document and use
    auto-indenting?
  o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?
  o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are things like
    useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings, etc.)

What's the difference between psgml-mode:

  http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

Can I use the information on these two pages to configure psgml-mode in
xemacs?

  http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html
  http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html

Is there a FAQ, HOWTO or beginner's introduction for psgml-mode anywhere,
besides the info pages for psgml-mode that come with xemacs? The info pages
seem to assume a familiarity with SGML -- I'm honestly befuddled by them.

I'd be glad to encapsulate what I learn about psgml-mode & xemacs on a web
page for public consumption, assuming I do learn something. :-)

Thanks for reading this far!

morgan
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN> writes:

root> When i try to run xemacs binaries i have found in ftp sites, i'm always
root> getting the same note:
root> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
root> Segmentation fault


root> Can anyone help ?

Your C Libraries are too old, and you need to upgrade them.  (Note:
libc-5.4.7 has some very bad bugs in it, don't use it, libc-5.4.9 is
O.K.).

root> I'm running Linux slackware 3.0.0 with gcc 2.7.0 + elf support.

Please read the XEmacs FAQ for full details:
	http://www.miranova.com/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

You might consider taking a look at your netnews installation as
well.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Mike Ashley <mike@einstein.anu.edu.au>
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Subject: XEMACS 19.14 crashing in commandline mode
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I am running xemacs on an SGI indigo with IRIX 5.3 and whenever I try
to use xemacs from either telnet or another vt100 terminal (all non X
windows) the program crashes or it gets as far as wrting the
introduction screen and then complains with

xemacs: select failed errno:9 followed by

Autosaving and exiting...

overwriting the intro screen.

I obtained the precomplied binaries from www.xemacs.com and everything
works fine in X windows. Also everything has been set up in the ideal
directory structure.

	What's wrong and how do I fix it?

	Mike Ashley (mike@einstein.anu.edu.au)

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Anand" == Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu> writes:

Anand> I tried to create a file ".netrc" in a remote host using
Anand> ange-ftp in XEmacs. The file was there after I saved it but
Anand> with permission "rw-rw-rw-"!! Thank god, I saw it immediately
Anand> and removed permission to "go". Is there something that I can
Anand> set in XEmacs or somewhere so that whenever I create files in a
Anand> remote host using XEmacs it will have permission "rw-------"
Anand> (600). That is, something similar to "umask 077" in
Anand> tcsh. Thanks. I do not know Lisp!

Yikes!  That's a feature.  Try this:

(add-hook 'ange-ftp-process-startup-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    (ange-ftp-raw-send-cmd proc "umask 077")))

This will set your umask to something sensible at connect time to an
ftp server.
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Hi,

I would like to set tab-width to 4 automatically when starting xemacs.
I included the following line in .emacs which I thought would do the
trick: (setq tab-width 4)  But it dosen't. I still have not set the
variable once I loaded up xemacs.

Help please.

Evan
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"Martin" =3D=3D Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:

 Martin> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
 Martin> characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is ent=
ered
 Martin> BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e =3D> e-acute).

 Martin> With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothin=
g
 Martin> similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manu=
al
 Martin> and the elisp archive.

Try /lispx11/x-compose.el

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>>>>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

> Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode in xemacs?

Well, this one is for GNU Emacs, but it should be able to answer many
of the questions below
	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>

[snip!]
>   o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever I open a file
>     ending in .htm*?

Handled.

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
>     the "proper" header and footer information inserted? (By proper, I mean
>     things like the SGML declaration, document type, local variables,
>     etc. I did something like this in html-helper-mode with
>     (setq html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)

Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
to handle.

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put it? Do I need
>     to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?) to my pc for things like
>     HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?

Handled.

>   o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML document and use
>     auto-indenting?

Dunno.

>   o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?

Handled.

>   o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are things like
>     useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings, etc.)


> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
> substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

I'm curious about this, as well...


- Steinar

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Hi,
> 
> OK, further to my earlier question about using X?emacs from within another
  [..]
> for ideas here.
> 
> The first stage of the project involves combining a text editor and a dvi
> viewer into one application (we figure Xemacs and a customised version of 
> xdvi).

There is already a project for a free WYSWYG-LaTeX editor called 'Lyx'.
I don't have any further information at hand right now, but I could
post or email it if you (yes, you too ;) are interrested.

Lately I read an article in the german Linux-magazine about Lyx and it
seems that the programmers are already quite far, including 'graphical'
typing of mathematics with buttonboxes and stuff like that.

thought you'd like to know


	Rolf



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Steven L Baur wrote:
> Taking a copy of buffers-menu-filter and modifying it to do as you
> suggest should work.  This is the brute force way.  You could also try
> fiddling with buffers-menu-omit-function, which might well be what you
> really want:

'format-buffers-menu-line' might be even more helpful since it gives you
the possibility to fully control the appearance of each buffer in the
menu:

C-h f format-buffers-menu-line

format-buffers-menu-line: (buffer)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "~/lemacs/menues.own".
Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this.

The 'loads from' is misleading in this case since its just the place
where I redefined it...

HTH,
Thomas
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Keith Folske wrote:
> 
> I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.
> 
> I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
> at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Somewhere I picked up the following function, which does replacements in
the auto-mode-alist (thanks to the forgotten programer - maybe we should
errect a statue somewhere for all those???):

;;; Function to control the auto-mode-alist by adding modes or fixing in
situ
(defun fix-auto-mode-alist (new-auto-mode)
  (or (member new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
      (let ((existing-auto-mode (assoc (car new-auto-mode)
auto-mode-alist)))
        (if existing-auto-mode
            (setcar (member existing-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
new-auto-mode)
          (setq auto-mode-alist (cons new-auto-mode
auto-mode-alist))))))

I use it in my .emacs as follows:

(mapcar 'fix-auto-mode-alist '(("\\/\\.shrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.kshrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.bashrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.profile\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("^[^.]+\\'" . ksh-mode)))

HTH,
Thomas
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Hello, 

I got the following messages (in reverse order, from C-h l), each time
I edit a xpm-file, using xpm-mode... Any hints?

File mode specification error: (error "Unable to parse color")
Finding number of colors...
Loading xpm-mode...done
Loading xpm-mode...

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Try

(setq-default tab-width 4)

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To: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Q: Problem With File Types
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 12:28 21/10/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Somewhere I picked up the following function, which does replacements in
>the auto-mode-alist (thanks to the forgotten programer - maybe we should
>errect a statue somewhere for all those???):


Thanks - I take the blame/credit for this!


;;; Controls the auto-mode-alist by adding modes or fixing in situ
(defun djh-fix-auto-mode-alist (new-auto-mode)
  (or (member new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
      (let ((existing-auto-mode (assoc (car new-auto-mode) auto-mode-alist)))
        (if existing-auto-mode
            (setcar (member existing-auto-mode auto-mode-alist) new-auto-mode)
          (setq auto-mode-alist (cons new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist))))))


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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: Add a menu to C/C++ modes?
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I'm trying to add a compilation menu to C and C++ modes.  I'm using
easymenu in the mode hook, but my menu doesn't show.

  (easy-menu-define
   compile-menu c-mode-map "\"Compile\" menu for `cc-mode'."
   `("Compile"
     ["Kill Compilation" kill-compilation t]
     "--"
     ["Re-Compile" recompile t]
     ["Compile Command" (lambda ()
			  (interactive)
			  (compile compile-command)) t]
     ["Compile to Executable" cc-compile-to-executable t]
     ["Compile Only" cc-compile-to-object t]
     ["Make" (lambda ()
	       (interactive)
	       (compile "make -k")) t]
     ))

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks.

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From: David Chamont <chamont@polhp3.in2p3.fr>
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Subject: syntax highlighting : keywords
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When editing faces, one can remark some faces for keywords, types or
variables names. Unhappily, with my fortran or C++ code, the syntax
highlighting only works for comments, functions names and
preprocessor commands.

Am I missing something ?
Is there a way to have keywords highlighted ?

Any help welcome.
David.

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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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Subject: EndNote Plus biblios in XEmacs?
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I have a rather large EndNote Plus bibliography on my Macintosh that
I'd like to be able to edit using XEmacs (and then import back in to
EndNote Plus). 

>From what I can gather, the de facto standard bibliography tool in
(X)Emacs is bibtex.  What is the difference between bib-mode.el and
bibtex.el? 

I've seen some utilities for converting between refer format and
EndNote Plus, but it appears that it is not a seamless transition.

Is there anybody here that is doing such a thing?

Thanx,

Curtis

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Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

> >   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
> >     the "proper" header and footer information inserted?

> Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
> to handle.

You should be able to do this with `auto-insert'.

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From: Eelco Essenberg <eelco@mw-testnl1.pureatria.com>
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Hi,

> sb> You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You
> sb> could also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around
> sb> to an NFS mounted disk.
> 
> Richard> would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path?
> 
> It doesn't look like ange-ftp can handle it, so I would be very
> surprised if gnuclient could.
> 

Assuming the remote host you use is always the same you could setup your
gnuclient to be called as:

	gnuclient -r /<hostname>:

This will prefix any filename given as argument to be
"/<hostname>:/<filename>" and open the required ange-ftp link...

Just my $.02.

Eelco.

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You need to call `easy-menu-add' in the mode hook to activate the
menu under XEmacs.

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From: Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@myrias.com>
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I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a machine running FreeBSD 2.1.5.

I'd like to use the gnuserv/gnuclient/etc stuff, but it appears to me
that it requires a machine on the network?!?

The symptoms I get are:

with (gnuserv-start) in my .emacs file, everything starts up smoothly
but I get a "server subprocess exited" message unless I've brought up
my ppp link.  Even if a manually run the command, it produces the same
message.

This message isn't shown and gnuclient works if my ppp link is up.

What have I missed? 8-)
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From: Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
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Darren Toler wrote:
> 
> Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> 
> I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> 
> I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> to make it dbx compatible.
> 
> Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?

/opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el will integrate dde into emacs, but I'm
not sure if it works with XEmacs or not.

-- 
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-> so you shouldn't have too much trouble going through it."
-> 
-> Robert Polic, Be Inc.

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From: "Ross E. Becker" <beckerr@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs frames freezing on HP-UX
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:01:39 -0400
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We are experiencing periodic freezes of xemacs here at OSU on our hp-ux
9.05
systems. I have seen this behavior with both the pre-compiled and a
locally 
compiled version, of xemacs 19.14 and 19.15 latest beta. The freezes
occurr
most frequently in vm and/or gnus, but I have seen them occur in
standard
edit sessions, as well. The freezes appear to be random, and occur
generally
at least once a week, though sometimes twice a day, and sometimes not
once
in a week.

The symptoms are that a frame will simply freeze, and refuse all further 
input, whether it be mouse or keyboard. The menubars and buttons will
still 
be active, and can be used to open another frame which will then
function
normally. 

Does anyone have any suggestions for what may be causing these freezes,
and
what might be done to alleviate the problem?

Thanks,
    Ross Becker

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I can successfully load the eos into my 19.14 Xemacs.  I can then
enable a frame for debugging from the SparcWorks menu.  When I start
a sparcworks debugger with the menu, the debugger comes up in its own
frame.  Is this the way it is supposed to work.  When I select a source
file, and mark a line and hit the breakpoint button in the debugger window,
a breakpoint is set, but the toolbar buttons in the Xemacs frame do not
work, and don't look like they are active, i.e., they are all lowered.

Does anybody know what might be causing this?

TIA,


-- Kevin


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
212-449-5712                                 New York, NY   10281-1314



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It's really never a good idea to change tab-width.  Too many other
programs assume that a tab equals 8 spaces.  If you really want
various editing modes to use an indentation level of 4 spaces, there
are other ways of doing this (e.g. c-basic-offset in C modes).

-Barry

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

 Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
 Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
 Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
 Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
 Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

There is no way to do this on the gnuclient command line.  You can use
advice around server-find-file to change the name of the file being
visited, before the file is actually looked up.

The file name passed to server-find-file is
$GNU_NODE/<local_path_to_file>.  Most people set GNU_NODE to
/net/`hostname`.  You can use a regular expression to strip off or
modify the file.

Here is my setup.  It uses the default "/net", a local file that is
mounted the same as on the remote machine, or via FTP.  The only
drawback to this, is that you need to know ahead of time that you want
to access certain files via NFS or FTP.


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;;;
;;; Use Gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
(server-start)
(defvar server-ftp-dirs '("/tmp" "/usr/cygnus")
  "Directories that should be accessed via ange-ftp")
(defvar server-mount-dirs '("/wv")
  "Directories that should be accessed locally, not via /net")
(defvar server-remote-prefix "/net"
  "Mount point for remote files")
(defadvice server-find-file (before remote-file first activate)
  "Map a remote file to the correct type of local file"
    (if (string-match
	 (concat "\\(" server-remote-prefix "/.*\\)\\("
		 (mapconcat 'identity
			    server-mount-dirs "\\|") "\\)") file)
	(setq file (substring file (match-end 1)))
      (if (string-match (concat server-remote-prefix "/\\([^/]*\\)\\("
				(mapconcat 'identity
					   server-ftp-dirs "\\|") "\\)")
			file)
	  (setq file (concat "/" (user-login-name) "@"
			     (substring file (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
			     ":"
			     (substring file (match-end 1)))))))

--Multipart_Mon_Oct_21_09:48:49_1996-1--

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In-Reply-To: Michael Roesler's message of 21 Oct 1996 12:39:59 -0500
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I couldn't reach the original poster because of invalid email address
(the mail kept bouncing).  Michael, I hope you still read
comp.emacs.xemacs.

Michael Roesler (miker@harvard.srce.hr) wrote:
> Hrvoje,
> I recently posted a question in comp.emacs.xemacs regarding a mail
> alias problem that I have using VM and Xemacs. I did not get a reply.
> Perhaps you might have some insight into this problem.

I do not use VM, but I will try to help you anyway.

> When I type in an alias in the To: field of an email and I either
> enter a comma for the next alias or I press the down arrow to enter a
> subject, I find that the expansion of the alias always capitalizes the first
> letter of the email address even though the the first character should
> be lowercase. I use the form:
> alias hrv hniksic@srce.hr
> for my aliases in .mailrc.

Strange.  I cannot repeat this bug.  Maybe this was the case with
other readers which is why you didn't get a response.  What do you
have in your .emacs (or .vm, if one exists)?

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@hongkong.ml.com>
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Subject: SparcWorks EOS
Date: 21 Oct 1996 09:14:54 -0700
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I can successfully load the eos into my 19.14 Xemacs.  I can then
enable a frame for debugging from the SparcWorks menu.  When I start
a sparcworks debugger with the menu, the debugger comes up in its own
frame.  Is this the way it is supposed to work.  When I select a source
file, and mark a line and hit the breakpoint button in the debugger window,
a breakpoint is set, but the toolbar buttons in the Xemacs frame do not
work, and don't look like they are active, i.e., they are all lowered.

Does anybody know what might be causing this?

TIA,


-- Kevin


_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
212-449-5712                                 New York, NY   10281-1314



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Subject: help! xemacs-19.14 ispell can't find english.hash
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Folks,

I cant seem to get Apps->SpellCheckBuffer to work. 
When starting ispell, I get the following error
"Can't open /usr/local/lib/english.hash^M"

I tried substituting /usr/dict/words using ispell-change-dictionary.
But, it didn't work. Can anyone help?

Thanks 
Eric Parker
503-520-6478
eparker@credence.com
-or-
roknrose@teleport.com

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>>>>> "John" == John A Eikenberry <jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu> writes:

> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it doesn't
> print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work fine.

Why does this sound like you've somehow gotten XEmacs to display on some other
X screen?  Has anyone else in your group complained about a stray XEmacs
session?

> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
> and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means that
> there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything in
> it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its X display?

1. Move your .emacs out of the way and then start XEmacs (no options).  That
   will prove whether it is your .emacs or site-start.el/default.el.
2. If XEmacs works after #1, then you'll have to start debugging your .emacs
   file by copying parts of it back into .emacs slowly.
3. If XEmacs doesn't work after #1, then see your XEmacs administrator and
   have him move site-start.el/default.el out of the way.
4. If XEmacs works after #3, then the XEmacs admin. will have to work with you
   to determine what in those files is messed up.
5. If XEmacs doesn't work after #3, then you have something messed up in your
   environment.  Do you have a stray DISPLAY variable set?


-- 
==================================================================
David Masterson				KLA Instruments
408-456-6836				P.O. Box 49055 M/S F1-9440
davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
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From: John Murtari <jmurtari@thebook.com>
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Subject: Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14 (latest) from 19.12
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:36:12 -0400
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Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy. Is
there a web site for xemacs?

Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
better HTML support in the latest version? Is there a binary
distribution for Solaris?

Thanks!
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> Hello, 

Ricardo> I got the following messages (in reverse order, from C-h l), each time
Ricardo> I edit a xpm-file, using xpm-mode... Any hints?

Ricardo> File mode specification error: (error "Unable to parse color")
Ricardo> Finding number of colors...
Ricardo> Loading xpm-mode...done
Ricardo> Loading xpm-mode...

Please, please include more information when submitting bug reports.
In this case, it would have been appropriate to include the broken
 .xpm file, as xpm-mode does work on a wide variety of xpm files.
Fortunately, the first .xpm file I tried exhibited the problem.

There is a bug in xpm-mode.el that causes it to fail when
chars_per_pixel is greater than 1.  This is not surprising since
xpm-mode has a variable called xpm-chars-per-pixel which is
initialized to 1 and never updated from the info in the .xpm file.
Presumably this is what you bombed on.

Apply the following patch to xpm-mode.el, and rebytecompile it for a
fix.  NOTE:  This patch is against 19.15 beta, but will work against
19.14.


*** xpm-mode.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:31:49 1996
--- xpm-mode.el	Mon Oct 21 20:03:45 1996
***************
*** 109,114 ****
--- 109,122 ----
      (next-line 1)
      (while (not (looking-at "\\s-*\""))
        (next-line 1))
+ 
+     (save-excursion
+       (goto-char (point-min))
+       (if (re-search-forward 
+ 	   "\"\\s-*\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-*"
+ 	   (point-max) t)
+ 	  (setq xpm-chars-per-pixel (string-to-int (match-string 4)))))
+ 
      (let ((co 0))
        (while (< co (xpm-num-colors))
  	(progn
***************
*** 144,150 ****
      (let (ext
  	  pixel-chars
  	  pixel-color)
!       (while (< (point) (point-max))
  	(setq pixel-chars
  	      (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel))
  	      pixel-color (assoc pixel-chars xpm-pixel-values)
--- 152,159 ----
      (let (ext
  	  pixel-chars
  	  pixel-color)
!       (while (and (< (point) (point-max))
! 		  (< (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel) (point-max)))
  	(setq pixel-chars
  	      (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel))
  	      pixel-color (assoc pixel-chars xpm-pixel-values)

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>>>>> "Jean-Henri" == Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@myrias.com> writes:

Jean-Henri> I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a machine running FreeBSD 2.1.5.

Jean-Henri> I'd like to use the gnuserv/gnuclient/etc stuff, but it
Jean-Henri> appears to me that it requires a machine on the network?!?

Yup, by default.

Jean-Henri> The symptoms I get are:

Jean-Henri> with (gnuserv-start) in my .emacs file, everything starts
Jean-Henri> up smoothly but I get a "server subprocess exited" message
Jean-Henri> unless I've brought up my ppp link.  Even if a manually
Jean-Henri> run the command, it produces the same message.

Recompile gnuserv after commenting out the
#define INTERNET_DOMAIN_SOCKETS
in gnuserv.h.

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From: cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: Setting Default font?
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HI,

Sorry for what seems to be a stupid question, but I've spent many hours trying to figure it
out be myself.

I've just installed the Xemacs static-motif binary for Linux.

I like it a lot, but the default font is courier, which I think is really ugly and hard to
read on a computer screen.

How do I change it?
I have tried:

changing the font with the "options" menu, then choosing "save options"
  this appears to work, and does work for other options, but when I restart 
  xemacs, it's back to courier again. I took a look at the .emacs-options
  file that was created, and it seems to be all set for the new font
  (lucindatypwriter), but it just doesn't work. There is a line in .emacs
  that  loads the .emacs-options file (it also says in the minibuffer when I
  start up that it has been run.)

putting a line in .Xdefaults:
  I put the following line in:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1
    
  The result was again no change. 

This is driving me crazy!! please help.

-Chris Barker  

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From: adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams)
Subject: Re: patch for compile.el 19.14
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Gael MARZIOU (gael@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com) wrote:

: I have problems with compile.el from 19.14 while I haven't with 19.13, it
: is not able to open the file where the error occured, I ran it under
: elisp debugger and found that file-exist-p was having problem with
: filename containing quotes like "\"my_file.c\"" so I made the following
: little patch which works for me but I'm not sure this is a long term
: patch that should be included in official version, I don't even know how
: to submit a patch.
: I have encountered this problem when compiling with cc of HP-UX 10.20.
: However, here is my patch appended below.

Yes, we ran into this problem on our HP-UX 10.x system too.  We found that
the solution was to isolate which regular expression in
compilation-error-regexp-alist was (erroneously) matching the compiler
error line.  Once we did that, rewriting the regexp to properly match
the compiler error line was rather trivial.

Sean
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From: bartro@unity.ncsu.edu (Vincent Bartro)
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Subject: Remapping Enter Key in Fortran mode
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Hi out there!

A previous post was about remapping the Enter Key so that
typing in Enter would automatically indent the code.
This was for C and C++ code.

The answer was something like :
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

I'd like to have the same feature in Fortran Mode.

I tried a 
(define-key fortran-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
but it does not work.

Any idea?

Thanks

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>>>>> "Jens" == Jens Goetz <s_jgoetz@lyra.rz.uni-ulm.de> writes:

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Have a look at

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Ciao
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Vincent Bartro wrote:
> 
> Joel Shapiro (joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU) wrote (Thu, 17 Oct 1996 > > (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
> Does something exist for fortran mode?

>From my .emacs file:

(define-key fortran-mode-map '(control return) 'fortran-split-line)

should do the same trick in FORTRAN mode

HTH,
Thomas
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Where is the source for the highlighting package hl319 (if it's still
called that) for XEmacs 19.14?

Thanks,
	Aaron
	amg@netvision.net.il

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And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
people who work with me have been there.

I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(

Tom Steger <steger@WILLEY.tautron.com> wrote in article
<199610211245.IAA13306@huck.tautron.com>...
> 
> Try
> 
> (setq-default tab-width 4)
> 

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> I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(

(setq indent-tabs-mode nil)

It's buffer local so you need to do it in find-file-hook or in =
a mode-hook.

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Aaron Gross <aaron@cruella.bfr.co.il> writes:

> 
> Where is the source for the highlighting package hl319 (if it's still
> called that) for XEmacs 19.14?
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Aaron
> 	amg@netvision.net.il

Try using the font-lock package that comes bundled with 19.14.

You can get hl319 at ftp.gwdg.de/emacs/hilit/elisp/Beta/ (there are
versions for bath XEmacs and 'the other' emacs.

Also, you can try the GNU elisp archive ftp site, where you will find
hilit19 at 

archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages/

Hope this helps

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Matthew O. Persico writes:
 > And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
 > expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
 > setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
 > people who work with me have been there.
 > 

Ditto - I've been there with myself (if you see what I mean).

 > I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
 > 

>From the Info pages:

Tabs vs. Spaces
===============

   Emacs normally uses both tabs and spaces to indent lines.  If you
prefer, all indentation can be made from spaces only.  To request this,
set `indent-tabs-mode' to `nil'.  This is a per-buffer variable;
altering the variable affects only the current buffer, but there is a
default value which you can change as well.  *See Locals::.

>From my .emacs:

(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
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Further to my earlier posts that some of you may have seen:

Can anyone help me locate the extcli_Xt libraries required to use Xemacs as an
external widget (i.e. to embed it in an application). (also the file 
ExternalClient.h) Are these part of the Xemacs distribution? Where can I 
download them from?

I would also really like some help/suggestion on how this is done...
Does anyone have a fragment of source code I could look at that managed to get
Xemacs to embed itself?

Thanx.

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Hello,

I want to add the "X-Face:" slot in my mails. I saw yesterday, in
Xemacs FAQ 5/6 the way to make the face file but I'm missing the
compface tool. It seems to be the icon compilator.

Does anybody know where I can find it ??

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Prior to 19.14, any multi-line text entered in a shell would remain
multi-lined when recalled (ESC-p). Now, multi-lined text has the \n removed
and ends up on one line. How can I turn off this "feature" ;-)

-- 
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John Murtari (jmurtari@thebook.com) wrote:
> Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
> weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy. Is
> there a web site for xemacs?

Well, it's kinda obvious. :-)
<URL:http://www.xemacs.org/>

> Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
> and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
> better HTML support in the latest version? Is there a binary
> distribution for Solaris?

Yes, there is a much much better HTML support (psgml mode), and yes,
there is a binary distribution for sparc-sun-solaris.  And there is
the new Gnus and a host of useful features.  You can find all this on:
<URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/>

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Vincent Bartro (bartro@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote:
> I tried a 
> (define-key fortran-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
> but it does not work.

This might be because fortran-mode is not loaded when you define the
key (cc-mode is preloaded, AFAIK).  Try this:
(add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook
          (lambda () (local-set-key "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)))

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Hi,
I'm running gnus 5.2.5 with tm 7.42.
While extructing many mime posting to files, xemacs (19.13 hpux 9.05) signals
an error of "too many open files".
Is there a way to increase the open files limit?
The other option is read through the code, and try to find where the bug
is :-(.

-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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> > 
> > Try
> > 
> > (setq-default tab-width 4)
> > 
> 

> 
> And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
> expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
> setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
> people who work with me have been there.
> 
> I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
> 
> Tom Steger <steger@WILLEY.tautron.com> wrote in article
> <199610211245.IAA13306@huck.tautron.com>...


This fills with spaces, or at least used to several revs of emacs ago:

(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

Of course this causes havoc if you are editing a Unix makefile, where
leading tabs are required in some cases. (In Unix, original missteps are
perpetuated to avoid breaking something -- unless you want to change from
BSD to SVR4, where all changes are, naturally, for the better.)


As to printing tabbed files, in Unix you can do this:

expand -n filename | lp

to expand the tabs with n spaces.

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Donald Hunter (DHunter@atl.co.uk) wrote:
> > I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
> (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
> It's buffer local so you need to do it in find-file-hook or in =
> a mode-hook.

Or, even simpler, use setq-default.  I think it is better than filling
hooks.  See <9610221147.AA00553@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
for detaills.

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Simon, I am having the same problem... Did you ever get an answer?

Alan

Simon Hardingham wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry but this may be a stupid question and I do want to use VI
> within xemacs.  When I increase "vip-export-level" in .vip to 3 or above
> the TAB key stops TAB'ing (a real problem when writing code).  How can I
> get round this apart from droping back to level 1 or 2?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Simon
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Does anyone have the sparcworks eos for sun working with xemacs 19.14?
I have the pre-compiled binaries which include the eos stuff (the binaries
without it don't work at all!) and I can do everything but print
variables.  A seperate frame is supposed to come up with the data
displayed, but it doesn't work.  I can select the variable and then
print it in the debugger itself, but I can't get xemacs to print it.

TIA

Kevin
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> Why "of course"???  It has a very convenient (IMO) interface to RCS
> and CVS (for a start, look under the "tools/version control" menu, but
> in general a simple ^X^Q will create a new version and/or lock the
> file for you).
> 
And some dear person, bless their soul, has begun, with 19.14, the
integration of Purify/Atria's ClearCase into Xemacs VC. :-)))

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote in article
<kig20ewvxgs.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>...
 [snip]
> It depends on what you call `formatting'.  You can indent every line
> in the buffer as if you went line by line and pressed TAB, with
> `C-x h M-x indent-region'.

how 'bout:

C-x n ; go to next matchable char (,{,[, etc
C-x @	; set mark
C-x n ; go to the match
indent-region

program as a macro, assign to a key and voila.

One of these days, I'll get around to putting this as a func in my .emacs
and posting it.


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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Parker <roknrose@teleport.com> writes:

Eric> Folks,

Eric> I cant seem to get Apps->SpellCheckBuffer to work. 
Eric> When starting ispell, I get the following error
Eric> "Can't open /usr/local/lib/english.hash^M"

Eric> I tried substituting /usr/dict/words using ispell-change-dictionary.
Eric> But, it didn't work. Can anyone help?

Note that ispell.el in XEmacs and Emacs is only a front end to a
program called ispell.

This sounds like a problem with your installation of the ispell
program.  Do you have a file called /usr/local/lib/english.hash?  You
should ...
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Subject: Re: Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14 (latest) from 19.12
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>>>>> "John" == John Murtari <jmurtari@thebook.com> writes:

John> Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
John> weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy.

The XEmacs FAQ is posted on the 5th of each month.  It was lasted
posted on October 5th, it will be posted again on November 5th.

It is available from numerous places on the world wide web.

Primary site:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
Mirror site:
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

John> Is there a web site for xemacs?

	http://www.xemacs.org/

John> Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
John> and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
John> better HTML support in the latest version?

Yes.

John> Is there a binary distribution for Solaris?

Yes.
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Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote (22 Oct 1996 15:57:24 +0200):
> This might be because fortran-mode is not loaded when you define the
> key (cc-mode is preloaded, AFAIK).  Try this:
> (add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook
>           (lambda () (local-set-key "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)))
> 
That works!!

Thanks!

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>>>>> "cbarker" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

cbarker> Sorry for what seems to be a stupid question, but I've spent
cbarker> many hours trying to figure it out be myself.

Not exactly, there is some broken code in 19.14 with respect to
changing fonts.

cbarker> I've just installed the Xemacs static-motif binary for Linux.

cbarker> I like it a lot, but the default font is courier, which I
cbarker> think is really ugly and hard to read on a computer screen.

cbarker> How do I change it?

The easiest method is to change it with X Resources, I use:
emacs*font:	fixed
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-bold-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -schumacher-clean-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-bold-i-normal-*-0-0-75-75-m-*-iso8859-1

in my .Xdefaults.

cbarker> I have tried:

cbarker> changing the font with the "options" menu, then choosing
cbarker> "save options" this appears to work, and does work for other
cbarker> options, but when I restart xemacs, it's back to courier
cbarker> again.

There were two patches posted to this newsgroup a couple months ago
that resolve this problem.  They should still be available from
Dejanews.

cbarker> putting a line in .Xdefaults:
cbarker>   I put the following line in:

cbarker>   Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1
    
cbarker>   The result was again no change. 

Did you restart your X session, or reload the X Resource database

xrdb -merge < ~/.Xdefaults

*and* restart XEmacs after making that change?
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From: Igor Lasic <ilasic@casc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Mime package
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:29:12 -0400
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Hello all,

	is there a mime package for vm that work.

	I tried rmime but I have problems using it. I have installed
	mimencode/mimdecode on my machine.

Igor
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Hi folks,

I've seen the FAQ for how to expand aliases within VM.  My problem is
the opposite: I want to suppress the display of the expanded aliases
(but still have the mail go to the alias).

Here's the problem:  I have an alias set up in my .mailrc as
all_staff.  all_staff consists of about 50 names, and whenever I send
a message out, all the recipients get this enormous header that
includes all the names.  I want the header that the recipients see
just to say 'all_staff'.

Can anyone recommend a way to do this in VM?

Cheers,
Dave
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Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it in
c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the style
is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I read).

Anyone have a better method?  Is there c-mode-load-hook?

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From: Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu>
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I tried mapping my enter key to indent automatically from some postings
in this newsgroup.

I included the line
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
in my ~/.emacs

But thie did not work. I checked the file access time of my ~/.emacs and
it is not being read at all. So I tried typing that line after pressing
M-x in xemacs. Then xemacs says "[No match]".

Any suggestions. I am using 19.13 XEmacs Lucid. At present I am getting
over this problem by typing global-set-key after M-x in xemacs.

Send me an email too, please. Thanks

Anand

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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And don't confuse xemac.org with xemacs.com. The latter, as well as
infodock.com, is registered by Bob Wiener, the author of Infodock.

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For a while, VC was working wonderfully for me, one of those features that I
had not yet discovered. But recently (last 4-5 days), it has started acting
kind of messed up. It will co/lock a file just fine, but when I C-x v v to ci
it, it tries to do a co -l again (which fails because of the presence of a
writable file). After considerable editing, an attempt to show diffs between
the current file and head revision returns no diffs. I can't think of anything
I have done recently to my environment that could have affected VC. Oh yes, and
I just now tried to back out the most recent version checked-in of a file, only
to be told that I had not made the revision (having done so from a shell prompt
just minutes before).

This is 19.14, on HPUX 9.05.

Randy
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From: Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no>
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>>>>> Igor Lasic <ilasic@casc.com>:

>> is there a mime package for vm that work.

>> I tried rmime but I have problems using it. I have installed
>> mimencode/mimdecode on my machine.

For an extensive coverage of MIME and emacs, see
	<URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>

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From: Gildas Perrot <perrot@francenet.fr>
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Hi,

I am trying to print region with 19.14 under BSD/OS 2.1 and I get this
error message :

pr: illegal option -- f

In fact, -f is not available on the pr version of BSD/OS 2.1. How to
solve this problem ?

Thanks in advance for your help.	Gildas.

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In <54kmtp$msk@lambda.fwi.uva.nl> jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy) writes:

I forgot to add, running xemacs version 19.13
Jon
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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Hello people,

Macros are nice, and I of course want to apply them to a whole lot
of lines.  So, I defined a macro, say \C-x ( \C-E hello \C-x )
which works fine, and places "hello" at the end of a line.
Now I want to apply this macro to every line in a region, so 
I mark the region at the top with \C-SPC, move down to past the last
line, and then \M-x apply-macro-to-region-lines.

[1]  What happens it that the FIRST line of the marked region
     is DELETED, and the rest of the lines get the hello appended
     to them as expected.  How can I get around this?  I don't
     want the first line deleted!

[2]  If I innocently \M-h to mark a paragraph and then apply the macro
     to the region, one of two things happens:
 	a) either the entire paragraph is replaced by "hello"
	b) it goes into an infinite replace loop

I think some of the effects of [2] are caused by the marked region being
started at the bottom of theparagraph and not at the top.

Does anybody else have these problems?  Any solutions?

Thank you,
Jon
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In <vajlod01cwe.fsf@wv.mentorg.com> Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com> writes:

Hello,

many thanks for the replies, I think I am now able to setup .emacs
as needed, once I have convinced our admins to recompile Xemacs with
MIT_COOKIE support on. Why isn't this the default anyway?


Bye
Richard

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From: Ernesto Martin Rebollo <ernes@patricio.tid.es>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Fonts with XEmacs 19.14 + Solaris 2.5.1 + CDE
Date: 23 Oct 1996 11:20:53 +0200
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I've installed Solaris 2.5.1 + CDE and now, if I start XEmacs I get
the following message in the *Warnings* buffer:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

and the fonts for menus and pop-ups are the default DCE ones (bigger
than the ones that XEmacs used. I've tried putting the following in my
.Xdefaults:

XEmacs*menubar*Font: 	-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
XEmacs*popup*Font:	-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

but it's no use. It looks like DCE doesn't read this file (but other
default I put in the file are taken). If I execute, by hand, 

merge .Xdefaults

and later I run XEmacs, everything goes fine, but if I put this
sentence in .dtprofile or in .profile, still doesn't work.

Anybody knows how to fix it?

Thanks


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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca>
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Hi, everybody

Yesterday I've installed a British dictionary. Within xemacs, Ispell works
well with it to correct one word (ispell-word).  But when I try to verify
all the document (toolbar-ispell), all I get is:

Args out of range: "^M", 2

The same problem occurs with english dictionary, but all works well with
francais-tex dictionary.  Out of xemacs, ispell works well with british
dictionary too.

Any idea?

TIA

Frederic
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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Request for psgml-mode (xemacs) help
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* Steinar Bang wrote:
> [followup set to comp.emacs.xemacs]
>>>>>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

>> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

>> http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

>> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
>> substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

> I'm curious about this, as well...


The differences appear to be reasonably small.  The xemacs one is
somewhat out of date compared to the most current one (1.0a9 vs 1.0a12
I think?), but the differences aren't that large.  There was one
difference I found to do with tag minimization which I removed,
otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

--tim


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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Subject: help: xemacs and images
Date: 23 Oct 1996 16:41:07 +0100
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Hi,
XEmacs seems to have difficulties scroling images. When I get a mime
message with an image which is larger then the emacs window, I can
only view the top part of it. Trying to scroll the window down
results in the comolete disapearence of the image.
I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on HPUX 9.05.
Any help?
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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From: Chabane Rezzik <chabane@objectime.com>
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Subject: XEMACS: creating dynamically buffers from gnuclient
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Hi There,

I am interfacing xemacs to one of the application I am using. When I
select edit from the application a gnuclient is invoked with a new
frame. I might be opening more than 20 files at a time. Having one frame
for each file is not a solution for me. More than that I don't want
to end up having more than 1 editing session for the same file.
What I want boils down to: When gnuclient (or something else) is invoked
by the application to edit a given file the following should happen: A
new buffer is created in the already running xemacs session. The new
buffer is automatically activated in the least recent used window.
If the file is already in a buffer then it will be activated.

Is this doable? Don't ask me to write any lisp code! 

Please e-mail me!

Thanks,

Chabane
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From: Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca>
Subject: Re: iso-acc.el for XEmacs
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I wrote:

> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
> characters under XEmacs?  [...] With Emacs, the library iso-acc did
> just that, [...]

I finally ported iso-acc.el from Emacs 19.28 to XEmacs (see below).

I'd like to thank Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br> and
Jean-Hugues Zorio <Jean-Hugues.Zorio@der.edfgdf.fr> for sending me a
copy of another (more evolved) port of iso-acc.el (merci!).  My
version, by comparison, does the minimum to make the package work
under XEmacs.

Note that x-compose can't provide exactly the same functionality as
this package since, first, x-compose requires X and, second, it
requires changes that will affect all X applications on the server.
The accent-letter combination tables are similar, however.


;;; iso-acc.el -- minor mode providing electric accent keys
;;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;;; Copyright (c) 1996 Hydro-Qubec

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Ported to XEmacs 19.14 by Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> (96.10.20)

;; The original of this file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode
;; (`iso-accents-minor-mode') in which typewriter "dead keys" are
;; emulated.  The purpose of this emulation is to provide a simple
;; means for inserting accented characters according to the ISO-8859-1
;; character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-minor-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characterss are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;                  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + space -> pseudo-accent
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; set iso-accents-enable to the list of characters that should be special.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

(defvar iso-accents-list
  '(((?' ?A) Aacute)
    ((?' ?E) Eacute)
    ((?' ?I) Iacute)
    ((?' ?O) Oacute)
    ((?' ?U) Uacute)
    ((?' ?Y) Yacute)
    ((?' ?a) aacute)
    ((?' ?e) eacute)
    ((?' ?i) iacute)
    ((?' ?o) oacute)
    ((?' ?u) uacute)
    ((?' ?y) yacute)
    ((?' ?') acute)
    ((?' ? ) apostrophe)
    ((?` ?A) Agrave)
    ((?` ?E) Egrave)
    ((?` ?I) Igrave)
    ((?` ?O) Ograve)
    ((?` ?U) Ugrave)
    ((?` ?a) agrave)
    ((?` ?e) egrave)
    ((?` ?i) igrave)
    ((?` ?o) ograve)
    ((?` ?u) ugrave)
    ((?` ?`) grave)			; no special code?
    ((?` ? ) grave)
    ((?^ ?/) slash)             
    ((?^ ?!) brokenbar)     
    ((?^ ?-) macron)        
    ((?^ ?_) macron)        
    ((?^ ?0) degree)        
    ((?^ ?1) onesuperior)   
    ((?^ ?2) twosuperior)   
    ((?^ ?3) threesuperior) 
    ((?^ ?.) periodcentered)
    ((?^ ?A) Acircumflex)
    ((?^ ?E) Ecircumflex)
    ((?^ ?I) Icircumflex)
    ((?^ ?O) Ocircumflex)
    ((?^ ?U) Ucircumflex)
    ((?^ ?a) acircumflex)
    ((?^ ?e) ecircumflex)
    ((?^ ?i) icircumflex)
    ((?^ ?o) ocircumflex)
    ((?^ ?u) ucircumflex)
    ((?^ ?^) asciicircum)		; no special code?
    ((?^ ? ) asciicircum)
    ((?\" ?A) Adiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?E) Ediaeresis)
    ((?\" ?I) Idiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?O) Odiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?U) Udiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?a) adiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?e) ediaeresis)
    ((?\" ?i) idiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?o) odiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?s) ssharp)
    ((?\" ?u) udiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?y) ydiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?\") diaeresis)
    ((?\" ? ) quotedbl)
    ((?\~ ?A) Atilde)
    ((?\~ ?C) Ccedilla)
    ((?\~ ?D) ETH)
    ((?\~ ?N) Ntilde)
    ((?\~ ?O) Otilde)
    ((?\~ ?a) atilde)
    ((?\~ ?c) ccedilla)
    ((?\~ ?d) eth)
    ((?\~ ?n) ntilde)
    ((?\~ ?o) otilde)
    ((?\~ ?>) guillemotright)
    ((?\~ ?<) guillemotleft)
    ((?\~ ?\ ) tilde)
    ((?\~ ?\~) cedilla)			; cedilla accent
    ((?\/ ?A) Aring)			; A-with-ring (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?E) AE)			; AE-ligature (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?O) Ooblique)	     
    ((?\/ ?a) aring)			; a-with-ring (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?e) ae)			; ae-ligature (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?o) oslash)	     
    ((?\/ ?\ ) slash)	     
    ((?\/ ?\/) degree)			; ring accent (actually degree sign?)
    )
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations.")

(defvar iso-accents-minor-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-minor-mode)

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if iso-accents-minor-mode
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (let ((combined (iso-accents-compose prompt)))
    (if unread-command-events
	(let ((unread unread-command-events))
	  (setq unread-command-events nil)
	  (error "Characters %s and %s cannot be composed"
		 (single-key-description (aref combined 0))
		 (single-key-description (car unread)))))
    combined))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
	 ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
	 (second-char (if (or prompt
			      (not (eq (key-binding "a")
				       'self-insert-command)))
			  (progn
			    (message "%s%c"
				     (or prompt "Compose with ")
				     first-char)
			    (read-char))
			(insert first-char)
			(prog1 (read-char)
			  (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
	 (entry (assoc (list first-char second-char) iso-accents-list)))
    (if entry
	;; Found it: delete the first character and insert the combination.
	(vector (nth 1 entry))
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list second-char))
      (vector first-char))))

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  For certain languages, you might want to remove some of
those characters that are not actually used.")

(or key-translation-map (setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
;; For sequences starting with an accent character,
;; use a function that tests iso-accents-minor-mode.

(if (memq ?' iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "'"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?` iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "`"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?^ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "^"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?\" iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "\"" 'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?~ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "~" 'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?/ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "/" 'iso-accents-accent-key))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-minor-mode minor-mode-map-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;; 	  (append minor-mode-alist
;; 		  '((iso-accents-minor-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

The variable `iso-accents-enable' specifies the list of characters to
enable as accents.  If you don't need all of them, remove the ones you
don't need from that list.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives a d with dash.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemets.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-minor-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-minor-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-minor-mode t)))

;;; iso-acc.el ends here

-- 
Martin Boyer                           http://www.robot.ireq.ca/Martin.Boyer/
Division Robotique                                       mboyer@robot.ireq.ca
Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec               Telephone: +1 514 652-8412
Varennes, QC, Canada                                     Fax: +1 514 652-1316

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From: "Dan J. Nix" <nixdj@cat.com>
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Subject: Printing and font warnings in Xemacs
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:00:31 -0500
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I am fairly new to xemacs, but I am trying to take advantage
of all the cool features it has.

I was able to print a buffer to a color postscript printer. But it seems
no matter what font size I use, I can only get 82 characters in a line
to print and then the text wraps.  Is there a way to specify how many
characters per line xemacs can print or specify a margin?

I am running xemacs 19.14 on an HP-UX A.09.05 735.

Here are some settings I currently use:
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p 'a)
  (setq-default ps-font-size 8)
  (setq-default ps-line-height 8.2)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-letter)

My face-property font is:
-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8

And finally, the command I use to print is:
ps-print-buffer-with-faces


Also, I get a warning buffer each time a startup xemacs that starts of
like:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"

Is there any way to prevent the font warnings buffer from coming up? I
really don't want to fix the warnings, I just don't care to see them
each time.

Thanks!

-- 
Dan Nix
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Caterpillar Inc.

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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
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Subject: Problems with M-x grep/compile
Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:01:09 +0200
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Hi there,

I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks support under SOLARIS
2.4 on a SPARC 5. My login shell is csh.

My problem with commands like M-x grep M-x compile and the like stems
from the fact that in our centralized shell startup files the cd
command is "improved" a bit. The improvement is that whenever I
perform a cd /some/path in a shell window, after completion of the cd
command a string enclosed in escape sequences is echoed in the
shell. The escape sequences serve for writing the new working
directory into the window's headline.

The above mentioned XEmacs commands perform a cd to the current buffer's
working directory as their first action. But inside of XEmacs the
escaped string does not go into XEmacs' window's headline but is
printed into the compilation/grep or so buffer. And the first line of
output of the respective command is attached immediately behind this
ugly string. In this way e. g. the first line of output is not
handled properly by the XEmacs compilation/grep mode.

The overloading of the cd command is performed by a csh alias. I
already played around a bit with a ~/.emacs_csh file but while
executed when starting an inferior shell using M-x shell this file
does not seem to be executed when starting a compilation or grep
process. 

Any ideas what I could do to unalias the cd in this context?

Many thanks,

Adalbert Perbandt
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From: gaborit@enstimac.fr (Paul GABORIT)
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I have a problem with xemacs 19.14 (binaries version for SunOS 4.1.x).

When i kill xemacs using xkill (or exiting openwindows), xemacs prints this
message every seconds during 10 minutes :

    xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection ":0.0"
        after 2785 requests (2783 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

The Solaris version (binaries for Solaris 2.4) of xemacs dies immediatly. 

What can i do to solve this problem ?

Thank you.

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From: dweller@dfw.net (David Weller)
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Subject: Force C++ mode with .h files?
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Yes, I checked the FAQs (maybe not closely enough?)

I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
.h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
(Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)

I tried to modify a few .el files, with no success, so I'm guessing
the solution is something much simpler, like putting
(setq i-really-mean-c++-not-c-mode-you-stupid-beast) in my .emacs?
-- 
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I have the following in my .emacs to do just that.

(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.cpp$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.idl$". c++-mode)
		("\\.c$"  . c-mode))
	      auto-mode-alist))

David Weller writes:
 > Yes, I checked the FAQs (maybe not closely enough?)
 > 
 > I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
 > .h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
 > (Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)
 > 
 > I tried to modify a few .el files, with no success, so I'm guessing
 > the solution is something much simpler, like putting
 > (setq i-really-mean-c++-not-c-mode-you-stupid-beast) in my .emacs?
 > -- 
 >     Visit the Ada 95 Booch Components Homepage: www.ocsystems.com/booch
 >      This is not your father's Ada -- www.adahome.com <== Note new URL!

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>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew O Persico <matthewp@main.idt.net> writes:

Matthew> Prior to 19.14, any multi-line text entered in a shell would
Matthew> remain multi-lined when recalled (ESC-p). Now, multi-lined
Matthew> text has the \n removed and ends up on one line. How can I
Matthew> turn off this "feature" ;-)

It looks pretty multi-lined to me.  (Linux 2.0/zsh-3.0.0)
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've
    DM> been using it in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style,
    DM> but I just noticed that the style is getting defined multiple
    DM> times (probably once for every C file I read).

c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing
one) so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

    DM> Anyone have a better method?  Is there c-mode-load-hook?

No, there is no load hook for cc-mode.el

-Barry

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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Subject: Re: Enter key to indent
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>>>>> "AP" == Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu> writes:

    AP> I tried mapping my enter key to indent automatically from some
    AP> postings in this newsgroup.

    AP> I included the line (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m"
    AP> 'newline-and-indent) in my ~/.emacs

    AP> But thie did not work. I checked the file access time of my
    AP> ~/.emacs and it is not being read at all. So I tried typing
    AP> that line after pressing M-x in xemacs. Then xemacs says "[No
    AP> match]".

The problem is that c-mode-map is defined in cc-mode.el which isn't
loaded into your Emacs by default.  Either add a (require 'cc-mode)
before the define-key call, or better yet, put the define-key inside a
hook function and attach the hook function to c-mode-common-hook.  See
the on-line cc-mode info for details.

    AP> Any suggestions. I am using 19.13 XEmacs Lucid. At present I
    AP> am getting over this problem by typing global-set-key after
    AP> M-x in xemacs.

Actually, I global-set-key that binding myself since I use this in
almost all my programming modes.  Of course you don't need to use M-x
for that.  You can just put this in your .emacs file:

    (global-set-key "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)

-Barry

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I have seen this problem with xemacs 19.14 running on AIX
when I restart the mwm window manager.  Xemacs stops responding
to keyboard and mouse events, except that dropdown menus still
work fine.  I don't know what causes this, but I've found a
way to get the behavior back to normal:  from the Buffers menu
choose List All Buffers.  This seems to bring the keyboard back
to life.

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I am running GNU emacs 19.30.1 on a Linux PC with i386-suse-linux.
Things are running fine EXCEPT for the following little problem:
I cannot invoce emacs and directly load a file by typing 'emacs file'.
I then simply get an empty emacs window with the message:

    Args out of range: "rosinante, 54, 9

('rosinante' is the name of my machine). Loading files with ^x^f
works just fine as seem all the other emacs features. BTW: If I
just type 'emacs' I get the same strange error message.

Any ideas what it means? Any ideas how to fix the problem?

                     Cheers,
                               Lars

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From: Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu>
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Subject: Re: Shell mode now Does the Right Thing, but I don't like it
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Make sure that ``comint-input-autoexpand'' is set to nil.  It annoyed
me for a while (it happened many releases ago).  I have no clue how I
ended up figuring that out.

    comint-input-autoexpand's value is nil
      -- a variable declared in Lisp.

    Documentation:
    *If non-nil, expand input command history references on completion.
    This mirrors the optional behavior of tcsh (its autoexpand and histlit).

    If the value is `input', then the expansion is seen on input.
    If the value is `history', then the expansion is only when inserting
    into the buffer's input ring.  See also `comint-magic-space' and
    `comint-dynamic-complete'.

    This variable is buffer-local.

--pete

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From: John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu>
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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il> wrote:
> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scrolling images

I have the same problem using TM and xemacs-19.14.  I'm assuming it
will be fixed in 19.15?  Could it be a problem with TM as opposed to
xemacs?

The scrolling for text in regular ascii files isn't that great either.
Putting the scroll bar at the bottom-most position should display the
bottom part of your file, but it doesn't.  It shows a blank screen or
only the last line.  That's very annoying!  Why would I want to see
that?

John Mann

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Hi,

'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from the one in 
Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

		(require 'keypad)

however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the distribution. Can someone 
mail/point this file to me...thanks.

--
Not speaking for Intel


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From: shredder@prairienet.org (Shridhar Deuskar)
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Hi : 

I installed the precompiled binaries of xemacs19.14 on a Sparc10 running
Solaris 2.4. However when I try running xemacs I get 

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource

and xemacs doesnot start. However I start an xterm ans unset the DISPLAY
variable xemacs loads in that xterm ! So what's going on ?

Thanks for any input

shridhar
shredder@prairienet.org

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I launch GNUS from an xemacs session (click on NEWS) and when
viewing news articles I try to send a URL to netscape and get ...

Symbol's function definition is void: vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape


It works fine in VM ;(

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

	Rob -

//=======================================================
// Robert Nader: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
//=======================================================

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Which Mail Backend is recommended for use with Gnus? My first preference was
nnbabyl (since I've used RMAIL for years), but I've had a heck of a time
incorporating my old RMAIL file (I reported my problems to gnu.emacs.gnus,
gnu.emacs.help, and the gnus-bug mailing list). Or perhaps I can turn the
question around, and ask which Mail Backend is:
- the most popular among users?
- the backend used by gnus developers?
Since I can't use my first choice, I might as well use the backend which
is most actively being worked on.


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From: Ryan Watkins <vamp@zero.dimensionx.com>
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Subject: Re: VM: Suppressing expansion of aliases?
Date: 23 Oct 1996 16:51:01 -0700
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David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

> Here's the problem:  I have an alias set up in my .mailrc as
> all_staff.  all_staff consists of about 50 names, and whenever I send
> a message out, all the recipients get this enormous header that
> includes all the names.  I want the header that the recipients see
> just to say 'all_staff'.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a way to do this in VM?

You could just BCC: to the alias, so they'd never see it.

-- 
Ryan L. Watkins                   `in the blood of the twinkling sky
Director of Web Technology          breathing in air drunk dry
       vamp@dimensionx.com        there was once a time of rapture
 http://www.dimensionx.com/        all is lost ... a pale gleaming' -satb


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Richard Pieri (ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote:
: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

: >>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

: >> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

: CR> % foreach f (*.C)
: CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
: CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
: CR> ? end

: Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
: so as to redirect stdio once for the whole thing as a single command
: rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
: enough in csh).

: AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.

this can be done using pipes:

ls -1 *.C | sed 's/^\(.*\)\.C/mv \1.C \1.cc/' | sh

sure it's gross, but it is most effective.  it's the unix way!  you
can do it in any shell.  but i still don't recommend csh.  ;-)

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lim@telerobotics.jpl.nasa.gov (David Lim) writes:

> Or perhaps I can turn the question around, and ask which Mail
> Backend is:
> - the most popular among users?

nnfolder.

> - the backend used by gnus developers?

nnml.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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From: cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: What is the "LFD" key?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:54:10 -0700
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The subject says it all.

the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
indent the next line. What is the LFD key?

I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

Thanks

-Chris Barker

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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
> indent the next line. What is the LFD key?
> 
> I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

C-j

-thomas



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From: Dominique Dumont <domi@marlis.grenoble.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: OO-Browser dead?
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:

> 
> 
> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
> won't allow me to subscribe.
> 
> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
> bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.
>

Bob is considering starting a high quality
commercial support business focused exclusively on InfoDock, XEmacs and Emacs
support (and any included Lisp packages such as Hyperbole and the
OO-Browser).

His new e-mail address is weiner@yggdrasil.com.

The new oo-browser mailing list is managed by majordomo@dstc.edu.au .

> Is anyone even using it?
> 

I often use oo-browser to maintain some objective-c code for my real work.


Hope this helps

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Re: What is the "LFD" key?
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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
> indent the next line. What is the LFD key?
> 
> I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

LFD =3D linefeed. I don't have a LFD key on my Sun workstation either, so
I use C-j instead.

/Anders

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you must use the command "debug name" (name = name of the program you want to 
debug), anf the buttons will be active.

Christophe




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From: doyle@slsvekt.sel.alcatel.de (Aidan Doyle KS/EIC3 60/1/29 #40597)
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Hi,

I'm using xemacs V 19.13. I noticed that there are accelerator keys
and corresponding vm commands for most motions but none to read new
mail. The only way to read new mail seems to be to click on the
message in the summary area. Can anyone please tell me how to set up an
accelerator key to read new mail?


Thanks,

Aidan
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>>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Doyle KS/EIC3 60/1/29 #40597 <doyle@slsvekt.sel.alcatel.de> writes:

    Aidan> Hi, I'm using xemacs V 19.13. I noticed that there are
    Aidan> accelerator keys and corresponding vm commands for most
    Aidan> motions but none to read new mail. The only way to read new
    Aidan> mail seems to be to click on the message in the summary
    Aidan> area. Can anyone please tell me how to set up an
    Aidan> accelerator key to read new mail?


    Aidan> Thanks,

    Aidan> Aidan --
    Aidan> ------------------------------------------------------
    Aidan> Aidan Doyle Software Engineer Tel No: +49 (0)711 821 40597
    Aidan> Fax No: +49 (0)711 821 47045
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On xemacs 19.14 with vm C-h b reports

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Gildas Perrot <perrot@francenet.fr> wrote:

> pr: illegal option -- f
> 
> In fact, -f is not available on the pr version of BSD/OS 2.1. How to
> solve this problem ?

Do you mean -F?

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Force C++ mode with .h files?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:58:37 +0200
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David Weller wrote:

> I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
> .h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
> (Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)

This is what I have in my .emacs:

(setq auto-mode-alist
      '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
        ("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
        ("\\.h$" . c++-mode)
        ("\\.c$" . c++-mode)
        ("/\\.emacs.*$" . emacs-lisp-mode)))

This should select the mode based on the file name extension.

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>>>>> Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>:

[snip!]
> otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
> difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
> derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

Is that very different from the approach outlined in
	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>
?

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Johan Kullstam (johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net) wrote:
> : AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.
> this can be done using pipes:
> ls -1 *.C | sed 's/^\(.*\)\.C/mv \1.C \1.cc/' | sh

Bzzt, pipe to sh! :)  This reminds of tchrist describing a way to
print something to stdout from csh:
sh -c 'echo error 1>&2'

It's not a true display of csh possibilities. :)

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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Subject: regular expression pains with [^>]
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Greetings,

This should be quite easy to do...reading the FAQ and the info
pages hasn't helped me though.

I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".  

So, I tried:

^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n\r^M].*$ which doesn't work

Can somebody give me a hand!  They all almost work, but delete the first
line of > indented text. ie.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
hello

> asdf
> blah

----------------------------------------------------------------------
becomes:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> blah
----------------------------------------------------------------------

(when I issue the reg-exp with a delete-matching-lines.

Help :-(

Jon

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Since noone else has mentioned this trick, I thought I would.  The solutions
others have offered work only if you want C++ mode for *all* .h files.  If,
however, you only want to force *certain* .h files into C++ mode, you can
put a line like the following near the top of those files:

//             This looks like C, but is really -*- C++ -*-             //

The key part of the line is the "-*- C++ -*-".  This is a generic mechanism:
you can replace "C++" with any mode name string.

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Use C-x C-c to kill emacs instead of destroying its window using X.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Infinite insertion with apply-macro-to-region-lines
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I don't get such behavior in emacs-version "19.13 XEmacs Lucid, InfoDock
3.4". Here's the defun I see (in macros.el)

(defun apply-macro-to-region-lines (top bottom &optional macro)
  (interactive "r")
  (or macro
      (progn
	(if (null last-kbd-macro)
	    (error "No keyboard macro has been defined."))
	(setq macro last-kbd-macro)))
  (save-excursion
    (let ((end-marker (progn
			(goto-char bottom)
			(beginning-of-line)
			(point-marker)))
	  next-line-marker)
      (goto-char top)
      (if (not (bolp))
	  (forward-line 1))
      (setq next-line-marker (point-marker))
      (while (< next-line-marker end-marker)
	(goto-char next-line-marker)
	(save-excursion
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (set-marker next-line-marker (point)))
	(save-excursion
	  (execute-kbd-macro (or macro last-kbd-macro))))
      (set-marker end-marker nil)
      (set-marker next-line-marker nil))))

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In article <vkzk9sg24gc.fsf@marlis.grenoble.hp.com> Dominique Dumont <domi@marlis.grenoble.hp.com> writes:

> His new e-mail address is weiner@yggdrasil.com.
And since recently, weiner@infodock.com.


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

Per> Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
>     the "proper" header and footer information inserted?

> Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
> to handle.

Per> You should be able to do this with `auto-insert'.

I set html-helper-new-buffer-template:

(setq-default html-helper-new-buffer-template
      '(html-helper-htmldtd-version
        "<HTML>\n"
        "<HEAD>\n"
        "<TITLE>" (p "Document Title: " title) "</TITLE>\n"
        "</HEAD>\n\n"
        "<BODY>\n"
        "<H1>" (s title) "</H1>\n\n"
        p
        "\n</BODY>\n</HTML>\n"))

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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk> writes:

Tim> The xemacs one is somewhat out of date compared to the most
Tim> current one (1.0a9 vs 1.0a12 I think?)

The version in the current 19.15 beta is synched with psgml 1a12.  There
wasn't time left in the 19.14 beta cycle late to upgrade it any higher
than it ended up.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Ian MacKinnon writes:
 > >>>>> Aidan Doyle writes:
 > 
 >     Aidan> [ ... ] I noticed that there are accelerator keys and
 >     Aidan> corresponding vm commands for most motions but none to
 >     Aidan> read new mail.

 > g            vm-get-new-mail

or, maybe, the question is a bit fuzzy, you may want to try M-n, i.e.,

vm-next-unread-message:
Move forward to the nearest new or unread message, if there is one.

hth
                                                                gb

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In <omiv80wiw8.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

Quoting Vladimir Alexiev,
| 
| [The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted
| as well. Before you reply to it, please consider if it is not better to also
| post your reply. Please do not reply if you only want to say thank-you.]
| 
| I don't get such behavior in emacs-version "19.13 XEmacs Lucid, InfoDock
| 3.4". Here's the defun I see (in macros.el)
| 
| (defun apply-macro-to-region-lines (top bottom &optional macro)
| <snip>

Well I eventually found out what was going wrong.  Well sort of.

If the "Auto Delete Selection" is on, then the apply-macro-to-region-lines
does not work as advertised....

So, how can I have the best of both worlds?  ie. I want the apply to
work irrespective of ADS setting.  Is this a bug?

Jon

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Hi,
Is there a way to make a global variable local for a progn structure?
lets say the variable global-var has the value 5.
is there a way to do
(progn
  (make-variable-progn-local 'global-var)
  (setq global-var 1)
  )
and have the previous value preserved (something like
make-variable-buffer-local)?

-- 
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>>>>> "Ganesh" == Ganesh Kumar <gakumar@ichips.intel.com> writes:

Ganesh> Hi,

Ganesh> 'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from
Ganesh> the one in Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

Ganesh> 		(require 'keypad)

Ganesh> however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the
Ganesh> distribution. Can someone mail/point this file to me...thanks.

An inquiry about edt.el, cool.  Edt.el in XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 is
broken and possibly never worked.  Your best bet is to port edt.el
from the latest GNU Emacs, or wait until 19.15 is released -- it will
contain a (tested) edt.el ported from GNU Emacs 19.34.
-- 
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>>>>> "Morgan" == Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> writes:

Morgan> I'd like to try psgml-mode for xemacs as a means of creating
Morgan> HTML documents. I currently use html-helper-mode, but I
Morgan> understand that psgml-mode offers some benefits over
Morgan> html-helper-mode:

Morgan>   o Using the proper DTD, only the valid tags are available,
Morgan>     based on document context.

It uses <!DOCTTYPE ...> to determine the proper DTD.

Morgan>   o (I think) it does superior fontification, indentation than
Morgan>     html-helper-mode. (I base this only on
Morgan>     http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/wingpsgml-mode.gif and what I've
Morgan>     read in comp.emacs.xemacs.)

Yes.  Definitely superior fontification.  There are limitations on
what it can do when typing in multiline constructs that won't be fixed
until it uses some of the real parsing it already does instead of
font-lock for coloration (as recommended by the current maintainer of
font-lock).

Morgan>   o It is possible to use it with an external tool -- sgmls --
Morgan>     for document authentification.

Yes.  Use sgmls-1.1.91 (the one that Mark Gaither's www.webtechs.com
uses), and an sgml-validate-command along the lines of:

(setq sgml-validate-command
      "sgmls-1.1.91 -s -m /home/steve/sgml/CATALOG %s %s")


Morgan> I haven't tried it yet. In fact, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the
Morgan> info pages.

Morgan> Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode
Morgan> in xemacs?

There are several good ones.

Morgan> Steven Baur: I propose that such an intro would be a nice
Morgan> addition to the Xemacs FAQ.

Try these URLs:
Unattributed, no owner link defined, college course material on
setting up psgml 0.4.
	http://www.hti.umich.edu/class/ils606/tools/psgml.html

Introductory material by Nigel Kerr <nigelk@umich.edu> for a workshop
given in June 1995, and updated in January 1996.
	http://www.hti.umich.edu/~nigelk/emacs/psgml.html

Double rats.  This page is gone now.  There was formerly a lot of good
HTML validation & psgml here.
	http://www.cs.hut.fi/~sti/psgml+sgmls.html


O.K.  Point taken.  I'll see what I can do.

Morgan> I am not interested in other DTD's beyond HTML right now. What
Morgan> I would like to edit HTML documents using a DTD that supports
Morgan> some of the newer tags in HTML. Is there such a thing as a
Morgan> Netscape DTD?

Yes, see html-netscape.dtd in etc/sgml of dubious origin.  The next
release of XEmacs will have Daniel Connolly and Mark Gaither's reverse
engineered html-mcom.dtd.  I've heard rumors of a new version of a
Netscape DTD, and I'll make sure that gets included as well.

Morgan> I'd like to see examples of useful initialization code for
Morgan> psgml-mode, for instance:

Morgan>   o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever
Morgan>     I open a file ending in .htm*?

I currently use:
(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(
                ("\\.sgml\\'" . sgml-mode)
                ("\\.html\\'" . html-mode)
                ("\\.htm\\'" .  html-mode)
                ("\\.html3\\'" . sgml-mode)
                ("\\.ht3\\'" .   sgml-mode)
                )
              auto-mode-alist
              )
      )

[This has been made the default for XEmacs 19.15].

Morgan>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in
Morgan>     .htm* have the "proper" header and footer information
Morgan>     inserted? (By proper, I mean things like the SGML
Morgan>     declaration, document type, local variables, etc. I did
Morgan>     something like this in html-helper-mode with (setq
Morgan>     html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)

Use a template.

Morgan>   o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put
Morgan>     it? Do I need to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?)
Morgan>     to my pc for things like HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?

In general: create a subdirectory ~/sgml, copy the files from the
XEmacs data directory etc/sgml, and make the modifications you want.
A good place to get new DTDs is
	http://www.webtechs.com/

Morgan>   o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML
Morgan>     document and use auto-indenting?

It should do that by default.

Morgan>   o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?

With a proper `sgml-validate-command', you can type C-c C-v.

Morgan>   o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are
Morgan>     things like useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings,
Morgan>     etc.)

Morgan> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

Morgan>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html


Morgan> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with
Morgan> xemacs 19.14 substantially different from the one referenced
Morgan> by the above URL? How so?

They are not substantially different.  There are a few minor fixes to
make psgml more XEmacs friendly, along with the addition of stuff from
html-helper-mode, and tempo.el.

Morgan> Can I use the information on these two pages to configure
Morgan> psgml-mode in xemacs?

Morgan>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

Yes.

Morgan>   http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html

This describes a different directory structure than is currently in
use, so it is probably not too useful unless you wish to reorganize
things along these lines.

Morgan> Is there a FAQ, HOWTO or beginner's introduction for
Morgan> psgml-mode anywhere, besides the info pages for psgml-mode
Morgan> that come with xemacs? The info pages seem to assume a
Morgan> familiarity with SGML -- I'm honestly befuddled by them.

Try the introductory materials from the University of Michigan site
listed above.

Morgan> I'd be glad to encapsulate what I learn about psgml-mode &
Morgan> xemacs on a web page for public consumption, assuming I do
Morgan> learn something. :-)

I'll link to (or mirror if you need it) whatever you decide to put up.

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Is there a way set the icon for XEmacs to be a 
given image? On my installation, XEmacs appears
as a default icon (that is, the icon used for applications
that do not provide one.) I am not sure whether this
is a problem with the installation or with my setup.
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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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Hi,

I would like to disable gnuserv from opening a new frame when using
gnuclient (for example when clicking on a file via tkdesk).
I have looked at the Xemacs FAQ in the help menu. Part 21 is devoted to
gnuserv and question 21.1 is *How do I disable gnuserv from opening a
new frame?*.
A suggestion is :

**
you could put

     (setq gnuserv-screen (selected-frame))

   early on in your `.emacs', to ensure that the first frame created is
the one used for your gnuserv buffers.
**

I 've done this. I 've even tried to put this command in different
places in my .emacs. This still doesn't work, every gnuclient keeps
being opened in a new frame. Any idea?
Muchas gracias amigos?
-- 
Jerome Kalifa
Centre de Mathematiques Appliquees, 
Ecole Polytechnique,  91128 Palaiseau Cedex,
France.  (33) (1) 69333981

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Is there a scheduled release date for 19.15?
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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
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I want to do something really ugly. We have an outdated code control
system here that will not allow me to use XEmacs as my editor. I can
use XEmacs for flat files and development (which I do), but to check
the changes in, I have to use this really crufty editor. It tries to
emulate emacs keystrokes, but that's about it. 

I have been able to bring the editor up in term mode (M-x term
<ret>). I set my TERM=xterm because xve (the "other" editor) doesn't
recognize "eterm" as a terminal type. The editor comes up and works
as it should except that the mouse does not work. What I want to do
is have my flat file in one buffer and the xve view of it in another
(term mode buffer) and cut and paste between them. I usually use the
mouse buttons for this (select->button-1, cut->button-3,
paste->button-2), but term mode does not let me do that. I can cut
from my flat files OK, but term mode doesn't do anything with my
paste (button-2). 

Is there anything I can do? 

TIA,
Steve
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Darren Toler wrote:
> 
> Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> 
> I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> 
> I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> to make it dbx compatible.
> 
> Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?
> 
> THANKS!!!
> 
> Darren Toler
> d.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
> kittiara@ghgcorp.com

Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
/opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

Now I need a new type of help.  Has anyone converted this to Xemacs
19.14? It is for GNU emacs 18. :-(  I have tried to merge it with gdb.el
for 19.14, but I haven't had much luck.  It was written from gdb.el for
GNU emacs with no toolbar support and it uses shell instead of comint. 

Thanks!!!

Darren
darren.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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testing, please ignore

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one more test.....

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Yuck.  I seemed to be able to get this to work by replacing your '$'s
with imbedded ctrl-j's (C-q C-j).  This seems like a bug to me.

PS - this work-around worked in XEmacs ut not gnu.

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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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HI

Is there a resource file in the xemacs directory structure that 
allows you to create global default settings for everyone using
xemacs?  Like a system .cshrc file.

I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.

Thanks.
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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it
DM> in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the
DM> style is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I
DM> read).

BAW> c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
BAW> understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
BAW> shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing one)
BAW> so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

My mistake -- I was appending my style definition directly to c-style-alist
rather than using 'c-add-style (hmmm, is c-add-style new and that led me to
use append because it wasn't available?) in c-mode-common-hook.  I switched to
c-add-style which replaces the style if it exists and things seem to be
better.

Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local style gets passed
to c-add-style again which replaces it in c-style-alist even though nothing
has changed (short of writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you
could change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to be a good
candidate for something you would do in a load hook (true?).

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>>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

Darren> Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
Darren> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

Darren> Now I need a new type of help.  Has anyone converted this to Xemacs
Darren> 19.14? It is for GNU emacs 18. :-( I have tried to merge it with
Darren> gdb.el for 19.14, but I haven't had much luck.  It was written from
Darren> gdb.el for GNU emacs with no toolbar support and it uses shell instead
Darren> of comint.

Haven't tried dde.el.  However, this is one reason I use HP's xdb which is
reasonably integrated with XEmacs.  Add this to your .emacs for quick toolbar
support.

  (defun toolbar-debug ()
    (interactive)
    (call-interactively 'xdb)
    )

It has its quirks, but it does work.  Be aware of:

1. If XDB asks a question (like "Really quit?"), it may not be visible because
   comint only outputs the line on a carriage return, so, if it seems like its
   hung, try inputting something and hitting return.
2. Carefully read the comments in xdb.el and gud.el for XEmacs.  They explain
   more than the Info documentation does.
3. If dde.el works with XEmacs, then you could put 'dde in place of 'xdb above
   and integrate it with the toolbar that way.  Even 'xdb doesn't implement
   menu support (comint does), so you may not miss the menu.


-- 
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> many thanks for the replies, I think I am now able to setup
Richard> .emacs as needed, once I have convinced our admins to
Richard> recompile Xemacs with MIT_COOKIE support on. Why isn't this
Richard> the default anyway?

It *is* the default if the Xauth library (-lXau) or Xauth.h is found
during configuration.

You do not need to rebuild all of XEmacs to have it enabled for
gnuserv.
-- 
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>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>>>>> "Shlomo" == Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il> wrote:

Shlomo> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scrolling images

John> I have the same problem using TM and xemacs-19.14.

Yes, this is a known problem.

John> I'm assuming it will be fixed in 19.15?

Hopefully.

John> Could it be a problem with TM as opposed to xemacs?

No.  It just seems to be from tm because that is one of the easiest
modes to bring up pictures in, but the same thing happens with W3.
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Subject: bug: font lock and make mode
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With font lock enabled if I try to load a makefile
which contains a shell comment xemacs gives an error.
(or try to create a shell comment in a makefile).

Here's the output of version:

XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on xemacs

Here's an example makefile which causes the problem:
-------------- cut here ---------
ALL: everything.c
        #this is a shell comment
-------------- cut here -----------
save this into a file named "Makefile" and then
start xemacs and load this file.

The problem is that xemacs tries to call the
variable "makefile-space-face" as a function.

This patch to lisp/modes/make-mode.el fixes the
probem (apply with "patch -p1" in the directory) :

*** /tmp/make-mode.el   Thu Oct 24 17:44:47 1996
--- make-mode.el        Thu Oct 24 17:47:29 1996
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.
--- 245,251 ----
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.

-- 
Raghavan <rmenon@ca.igt.com>

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>>>>> "Perbandt" == Perbandt Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 <perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de> writes:

Perbandt> I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks support
Perbandt> under SOLARIS 2.4 on a SPARC 5. My login shell is csh.

Perbandt> My problem with commands like M-x grep M-x compile and the
Perbandt> like stems from the fact that in our centralized shell
Perbandt> startup files the cd command is "improved" a bit.

 [csh cd lossage ...]

Perbandt> Any ideas what I could do to unalias the cd in this context?

Don't alias it in the first place if csh is being invoked
noninteractively, or correct the alias to shut up in a noninteractive
context.

You might also complain about being forced to use broken
initialization scripts.

You could also do:
(setq shell-file-name "/bin/sh")

(which should really be an XEmacs default).
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From: Bjorn T Johansen <bjorntj@softinn.no>
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Hi.

Does anyone know if it is possible to get the OO-Browser to work using Emacs and 
not XEmacs?


Cheers,

BTJ


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Hi,

I have a problem with XEmacs/Gnus. In our LAN exactly one machine
"knows" the NNTP server. and when I want to read net news I have to
run the newsreader remote on that machine using my workstation as an
X-display. My favorite newsreader is Gnus.

I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with SPARCWorks support
included. Unfortunately on the above mentioned "gateway machine" no
SPARCWorks is installed. So XEmacs complains upon startup as follows:

(1) (sunpro/warning) XEmacs was compiled with support for Sun Developer Products,
but neither `workshop' nor `sparcworks' were found on the PATH.

Is there any chance to avoid this message?

Thanks in advance,

Adalbert Perbandt

PS.: Would it be possible to configure Gnus to be able to access the
NNTP server from my local machine via the gateway?

                    ------------------------
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From: Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
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Subject: Problem with Alsys smalsis Ada compilations....
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:24:31 +0200
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The problem is this, The Alsys compiler is very stupid
and needs me to press return when it prints out a list
of files it can't find, how do I do this in the compile
buffer ?

And the dream on request is....
Has anyone got and ada-mode extension for Alsys using
Continuus as a CM tool ?

Steve Jones

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Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".

And delete them?  Well, you can always use M-x delete-non-matching-lines
with "^>" as the argument.

Or do you want to delete the lines which DO BEGIN with a ">"?  Then
use M-x delete-matching-lines with "^>" as the arguments.

> So, I tried:
> ^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
[...]

This one works for me, but is unnecessary (see before).  Try to avoid
`.*' in your egexps if possible.  Also, anchor them with `^' whenever
appropriate.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: global settings file for xemacs
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Mike Harrelson (harrelson@reticular.com) wrote:
> I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
> know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.

Use prefix/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-start.el

where prefix is the prefix to which XEmacs is installed, usually
/usr/local.

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Tom Kludy wrote:
> 
> Tom Kludy (tkludy@deviant.reshall.umich.edu) wrote:
> : Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
> : cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
> : requiring you to hit tab..
> 
...
> Now, I have another question:  I'd like to remap the backspace key so that,
> if I am at the beginning of a line, it will delete all whitespace to the
> end of the previous line; but if I am not at the beginning of a line, it
> will only delete one character.  The delete key should keep the default
> behaviour (delete one character no matter what).
> 

Just try the following somewhere  in your .emacs:

;;
(setq c-mode-common-hook '(lambda() (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)))
(setq java-mode-hook '(lambda() (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)))
;;

This will work for C, C++, ObjC and Java mode and does the same (and
more) as the stuff the others mentioned:
1. inserting a newline after typing brace, comma, semi-colon ...
2. the delete key will delete all whitespaces in one action

Try it out - it works fine ;)

DanS.
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From: alainc@bnr.ca (Alain Caron)
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Subject: Re: CC-mode and c-set-style
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In <tziv80j5a7.fsf@baldy.kla.com>, David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
> >>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it
> DM> in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the
> DM> style is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I
> DM> read).

> BAW> c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
> BAW> understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
> BAW> shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing one)
> BAW> so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

> My mistake -- I was appending my style definition directly to c-style-alist
> rather than using 'c-add-style (hmmm, is c-add-style new and that led me to
> use append because it wasn't available?) in c-mode-common-hook.  I switched to
> c-add-style which replaces the style if it exists and things seem to be
> better.

> Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local style gets passed
> to c-add-style again which replaces it in c-style-alist even though nothing
> has changed (short of writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you
> could change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to be a good
> candidate for something you would do in a load hook (true?).

> -- 
> ==================================================================
> David Masterson          KLA Instruments
> 408-456-6836          P.O. Box 49055 M/S F1-9440
> davidm@prism.kla.com        San Jose, CA 95161-9055
> ==================================================================
>       I only speak for myself -- it keeps me out of trouble


You might want to try the eval-after-load function.  Here is the
documentation string for it:

eval-after-load: a compiled Lisp function.
(eval-after-load FILE FORM)

Arrange that, if FILE is ever loaded, FORM will be run at that time.
This makes or adds to an entry on `after-load-alist'.
If FILE is already loaded, evaluate FORM right now.
It does nothing if FORM is already on the list for FILE.
FILE should be the name of a library, with no directory name.



Alain Caron
Nortel Technology, Montral, Qubec, Canada
email: alainc@nortel.ca
phone: 514-765-7718

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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Screen freeze
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21

My XEmacs keeps going into a state where it ignores keyboard input
until iconised and de-iconised again!

Any idea what is wrong, or how I can find out what is going on?
Cheers
Mark



This is my current configuration.....

Using gcc 2.7.2.1

./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux --with-gcc --prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/common --exec-prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05 --verbose --site-libraries=/vol/fsf.hp/HP9-7_A.09.05/lib --site-includes=/vol/fsf.hp/common/include --dynamic --cflags="-g3 -O3" --with-xface --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes

Edit src/Makefile to "-Wl,-a,default ......... /usr/lib/end.o" to
force the HP linker to not force static linking (which it normally
does if it sees -g).


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Hi,

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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Dynamic linking on HP-UX
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


There is a bug in the configuration when trying to --dynamic link
under HP-UX 9.05 using gcc 2.7.2.1 and the hp native linker.

The problem is that the HP /bin/ld program automatically disables
dynamic linking if it sees a -g flag.

The fix is to arrange for the following to be prepended to the link
line:-
-Wl,-a,default

and this to be appended:-
/usr/lib/end.o

Keep up the good work
Mark


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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: HPUX string and memory handling!
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


HP-UX 9.05 appears to have very broken libc routines for the following
functions:-

strcpy
strcat
memcpy
memmove

I had been suffering from core dumps in them until I started linking
in src/strcmp.o and an extra file I wrote to replace them.

I believe the problem is the same as mentioned in the FAQ about HP-UX
10.x, but it effects more functions (ie. function reads off the end of
the source and onto an invalid page causing a seg fault).

I fixed the problem by linking strcmp.o and the file I have appended
to this email.

Maybe this fix should be bundled with XEmacs (and mentioned in the
PROBLEMS file) so other people with a buggy version of HP libc can use
them.

/* Replacement strcat stcpy and memcpy for HP-UX */
/* Mark Phillips 25/10/96 */

#include <string.h>

typedef unsigned char uint8;
typedef unsigned short int uint16;
typedef unsigned long int uint32;

inline char *strcat(char *to_str, const char * from_str);

#ifdef TEST

void main(void)
{
char buf1[100];
char buf2[100];

char *from;
char *to;



/* Test 1 - Copy an empty string to empty string */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L);
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);

/* from and to are long word aligned */

strcpy(from,"");
strcpy(to,"to");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 2 - Copy an aligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L);
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 3 - Copy a 2 byte aligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L)+2;
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 3 - Copy a unaligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L)+1;
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);







return;
}

#endif

inline void *memcpy(void *s1, const void *s2, size_t len)
{

union {
  const uint8 *pb;
  const uint16 *pw;
  const uint32 *pl;
  } from;
  
union ptr {
  uint8 *pb;
  uint16 *pw;
  uint32 *pl;
  } to;

from.pb=s2;
to.pb=s1;

if(len==0) return s1;

/* Can we even up the pointers to 2 byte aligned? */
if(((uint32)from.pb & 1) ^ ((uint32)to.pb & 1)){
  /* from is odd and to is even, or vis-versa, so have to a byte copy */
  while(len--) *to.pb++=*from.pb++;
  return s1;
  }

/* Even up the pointers so we can word copy. */
/* We already know BOTH from and to are either odd or even. */
if((uint32)from.pb & 1){
  /* Both address are odd so copy a byte. */
  *to.pb++=*from.pb++;
  len--;
  }

if(len==0) return s1;

/* Now both from and to are even */
if(len>=2){
  /*
    Word copy
    
    Either copy all remainder wordwise (except for possible trailer byte)
    OR copy ONE word so we can long word copy.
    */
  /* Can we even up the pointers to both 4 byte aligned? */
  if(((uint32)from.pb & 2) ^ ((uint32)to.pb & 2)){
    /* from is odd and to is word even, or vis-versa, so can not long
       word copy. The HP (unlike 68020) can NOT copy a long word from
       a 2 byte aligned address... */
    /* Word copy */
    int remainder=len & 1;
    len = len >> 1; /* Convert len to words */
    while(len){
      *to.pw++ = *from.pw++;
      len--;
      }
    len=remainder;
    }
  else {
    /* Even up the pointers so we can long word copy. */
    /* We already know BOTH from and to are either word odd or even. */
    if((uint32)from.pb & 2){
      /* Both address are word odd so copy a word */
      *to.pw++=*from.pw++;
      len -= 2;
      }
    }
  /* At this point either len is 0 or it is still in bytes. */
  }

/* Now we know that both from and to are long word aligned. */
if(len>=4){
  /* Now long word copy */
  /* Note : We never get here if we have already word block copied. */
  int remainder=len & 3;
  len = len >> 2; /* Convert len to long words */
  while(len){
    *to.pl++ = *from.pl++;
    len--;
    }
  len=remainder;
  }

while(len--) *to.pb++ = *from.pb++;
return s1;
}


inline char *strcat(char *to_str, const char * from_str)
{
strcpy(to_str+strlen(to_str),from_str);
return to_str;
}

inline char *strcpy(char *to_str, const char *from_str)
{
return memcpy(to_str, from_str, strlen(from_str)+1);
}

void *memmove(void *s1, const void *s2, size_t n)
{
if(s1==s2) return s1; /* Nothing to do */


if((s1 < s2) ||      /* dst lower than src, therefore copy is ok. */
   (s1 > s2+n)     /* dst higher than src BUT no overlap. */
   ){
  return memcpy(s1,s2,n);
  }

/* Destination higher than source so need to do a reverse copy */
s1 += n-1;
s2 += n-1;
while(n>0) {
  *(uint8 *)s1-- = *(uint8 *)s2--;
  n--;
  }
  
return s1;
}



/* End of file */


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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


Has anyone been able to get SIGIO handling to work under HP-UX 9.05
using gcc 2.7.2?

If I build with or without BROKEN_SIGO (sp?) defined, I still find
that I can not interrupt "(while t)" using C-g (as is mentioned in the
FAQ).

When running with the default configuration (ie. no BROKEN_SIGIO) I
also suffered from lots of unexpected signal crashes.

Cheers
Mark

This is my current configuration.....

Using gcc 2.7.2.1

./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux --with-gcc --prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/common --exec-prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05 --verbose --site-libraries=/vol/fsf.hp/HP9-7_A.09.05/lib --site-includes=/vol/fsf.hp/common/include --dynamic --cflags="-g3 -O3" --with-xface --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes

Edit src/Makefile to "-Wl,-a,default ......... /usr/lib/end.o" to
force the HP linker to not force static linking (which it normally
does if it sees -g).


-- 
Mark Phillips
msp@nortel.co.uk

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I'm running xemacs 19.14 on ultrix 4.3 pmax machine.

Here is problem. If in tty mode I press ctrl-[space] to mark a region
xemacs suspends itself. After typing 'fg' (to bring it back in
foreground) xemacs acts as if it was not suspended (it does not try to
put terminal back in raw mode). There is work around for that, and it
is to put terminal in raw mode manualy with 'stty -echo raw' before
typing 'fg' command. After that everything seems to work normal (even
ctrl-[space] works as it should) except that after quiting xemacs I
need to do 'stty -echo raw' to put terminal back in normal mode.

-- 
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                           e-mail: alex@srce.hr
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Aleksandar Milivojevic (alex@srce.hr) wrote:
> Here is problem. If in tty mode I press ctrl-[space] to mark a region
> xemacs suspends itself. After typing 'fg' (to bring it back in

The subject is a little-bit misleading, since set-mark-command is
never actually reached.

Note that it is *not* suspended normally, as if with C-z.  XEmacs just
stops -- you get shell prompt without even modeline and buffer
contents being erased.

As alex describes, pressing `fg' returns to Emacs, but in cooked
mode.  Re-exiting XEmacs leaves the tty in raw mode.

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I think I once reported this before...

In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep 20 1996 on gsdws133 (berkeley-unix) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

*** Error in XEmacs initialization
(error "class list and name list must be the same length" "font-lock-keyword-face.attributeFont" "Face.AttributeFont")
*** Backtrace
  really-early-error-handler((error "class list and name list must be the same length" "font-lock-keyword-face.attributeFont" "Face.AttributeFont"))
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  # bind (ad-return-value device parameters)
  make-frame(((name . "Ediff of 102596.093903.15673.0001.gcmss5_18 and 102596.094047.15673.0003.gcmss5_18")))
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  # (unwind-protect ...)
  # bind (alt)
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  # bind (args fun inhibit-point-motion-hooks entry)
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  # bind (marker)
  gnus-button-push(#<marker at 1165 in *Article*>)
  # bind (fun data pos event)
  gnus-article-push-button(#<buttondown-event button2>)
  # bind (command-debug-status)
  call-interactively(gnus-article-push-button)
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  # (condition-case ... . error)
  # (catch top-level ...)
*** Killing XEmacs



PS When's the next 19.15 beta coming out?  Will it be any faster than
b2?

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Aleksandar Milivojevic (alex@srce.hr) wrote:
> typing 'fg' command. After that everything seems to work normal (even
> ctrl-[space] works as it should) except that after quiting xemacs I
> need to do 'stty -echo raw' to put terminal back in normal mode.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ups... This should be 'stty echo -raw'

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Ian MacKinnon wrote:
> 
> Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?
> 
> The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
> give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
> This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
> there another version of etags?
> 

I don't have a converter, but I do have a file that gives ctag support
to emacs.  I will attach a copy.  It was written by someone that I work
with.  Maybe it will solve your problem.

To use, add your ctag file, eg

(ctag-file-add "./ctags")

Then use the tag searching commands, ctag and ctag-at-point.

/\/\ike

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;;
;; Craig McPheeters
;; cmcpheeters@alias.com
;;
;; ctag.el
;; 
;; Author: Craig McPheeters (cmcpheeters@alias.com) 1991/1992.
;;
;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs, but I am willing to donate it.
;;
;; ctag.el is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
;; ANY WARRANTY.  No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone
;; for the consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular
;; purpose or works at all, unless they say so in writing.  Refer to the GNU
;; Emacs General Public License for full details.
;;
;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute ctag.el,
;; but only under the conditions described in the GNU Emacs General Public
;; License.  A copy of this license is supposed to have been given to you
;; along with GNU Emacs so you can know your rights and responsibilities.
;; It should be in a file named COPYING.  Among other things, the copyright
;; notice and this notice must be preserved on all copies.
;;
;;
;; The contents of this file were based originally upon tags.el, although
;; there have been extensive modifications made to it.  The tags file this
;; package file operates on are compatable with those for VI.
;;
;; Additions were made where they were considered useful given the local
;; environment.
;;
;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

(provide 'ctag)

;;
;; Declare variables
;;

(defvar ctag-vi-compatability t 
  "*Were the tags generated to be compatable with VI?  VI has a limit of 30
characters for each tag.")

(defvar ctag-case-fold-search nil
  "*Should tag searches be case insensitive?")

(defvar ctag-file-names nil
   "List of tag files to search")

(defvar ctag-last-file nil
   "List of tag files remaining to search")

(defvar ctag-last-point nil
  "Point of the last successful search")

(defvar ctag-last nil
  "Last tag pattern searched for")

(defvar ctag-apropos-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-apropos")

(defvar ctag-method-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-methods")

(defvar ctag-class-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-class")

(defvar ctag-ag-oneliner-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a ctag-ag-oneliner")

(defvar ctag-recurse nil
  "If non-nil, enter a recursive whenever a tag search completes successfully.")

(defvar ctag-next-form nil
  "Form to eval for the ctag-next-search command")

(defvar ctag-visit-file-name nil
  "File name to visit.  Set by the ctag-visit-file command.")

(defvar ctag-visited-files nil
  "List of files already visited by this instance of the ctag-visit-file cmd")

(defvar ctag-temp-project nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-subp nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-lib nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-file nil)

;;
;; Utility functions
;;

(defun ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (name) "\
Select the named tag buffer.  If the tag file has not been read in then read
the tag file.  If the file has been changed, then offer to re-read it. (CWM)"
  (let ((cur-dir default-directory) buf)
	(cond (name)
		  (ctag-file-names (setq name (car ctag-file-names)))
		  (t (call-interactively 'ctag-file-add) 
			 (setq name (car ctag-file-names))))
	(set-buffer 
	 (or (get-file-buffer name)
		 (progn
		   (message "Reading tags file %s..." name)
		   (setq buf (find-file-noselect name))
		   buf)))
	(setq case-fold-search ctag-case-fold-search)
	(or (verify-visited-file-modtime (get-file-buffer name))
		(cond ((yes-or-no-p 
				(concat "Tag file " name" has changed, read new contents? "))
			   (revert-buffer t t))))
	(setq default-directory cur-dir)
	(message "")))

(defun skip-white-space () "\
Skip forward in buffer over the white-space (CWM)"
  (while (looking-at "\\s-")
    (forward-char 1)))

(defun skip-to-white-space () "\
Skip forward in buffer to the first white-space (CWM)"
  (while (not (looking-at "\\s-"))
    (forward-char 1)))

(defun string-in-list (list str) "\
Given the LIST, return t if the STRING is in it. (CWM)"
  (let (success)
	(while list
	  (if (string-equal (car list) str)
		  (progn 
			(setq list nil)
			(setq success t))
		(setq list (cdr list))))
	success))

(defun ctag-get-tag () "\
Return the tag string of the current line.  Assumes the tag table is the 
current buffer. (CWM)"
  (beginning-of-line)
  (buffer-substring (point)
					(progn (skip-to-white-space) (point))))

(defun ctag-get-filename () "\
Return the file name of the tag on the line point is at.
Assumes the tag table is the current buffer. (CWM)"
  (beginning-of-line)
  (skip-to-white-space)
  (skip-white-space)
  (buffer-substring (point)
					(progn (skip-to-white-space) (point))))

(defun ctag-get-line () "\
Get the line pattern from the current tag line.  May be a number or a 
pattern (CWM)"
  (let (pat)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(skip-to-white-space)
	(skip-white-space)
	(skip-to-white-space)
	(skip-white-space)
	(setq pat (ctag-quote-ctag-pattern 
			   (buffer-substring (point) 
								 (progn (end-of-line) (point)))))
	(if (string-equal (substring pat 0 1) "?")
		(setq pat (substring (substring pat 1) 0 -1)))

	(if (string-equal (substring pat 0 1) "/")
		(setq pat (substring (substring pat 1) 0 -1)))

	(if (string-equal (substring pat (- (length pat) 2) (length pat)) " $")
		(progn
		  (setq pat (substring pat 0 (- (length pat) 1)))
		  (while
			  (string-equal (substring pat (- (length pat) 1) (length pat)) " ")
			(setq pat (substring pat 0 (- (length pat) 1))))))
	pat))

(defun ctag-clean-file-name (name)
  (let (char)
	(if name
		(progn
		  ;; Account for <#> in the buffer name
		  (if (string-equal ">" (substring name -1 nil))
			  (progn
				(setq char "")
				(while (not (string-equal char "<"))
				  (setq char (substring name -1 nil))
				  (setq name (substring name 0 -1)))))

		  ;; Account for -G following the buffer name
		  (if (string-equal "-G" (substring name -2 nil))
			  (setq name (substring name 0 -2))))))
  name)

(defun ctag-get-repo-file-name () "\
Find repo file associated with current buffer (CWM)"
  (let ((name (buffer-name))
		file-name)
	(if name
		(progn
		  (setq name (ctag-clean-file-name name))
		  (setq file-name (ctag-find-file-name name))))
	file-name))

(defun ctag-get-file-lock (file-name) "\
Return the name of the person who has the file locked. 
The name passed in is expanded by matching it in the tags file.  (CWM)"
  (let (file-name-lock buff person)
	   (setq file-name-lock (concat file-name "-L"))
	   (if file-name
		   (if (file-exists-p file-name-lock)
			   (progn
				 (setq buff (find-file-noselect file-name-lock))
				 (set-buffer buff)
				 (setq person (buffer-substring 1
												(save-excursion 
												  (skip-to-white-space) 
												  (point))))
				 (kill-buffer buff))
			 (setq person "")))
	   person))

(defun ctag-set-psl (name) "\
Set ctag-temp-project, ctag-temp-subp, ctag-temp-lib and 
ctag-temp-file given a full pathname (CWM)."
  (setq ctag-temp-project nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-subp nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-lib nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-file nil)
  (let (char)
	(if name
		(progn
		  ;; Set the file
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-file (concat char ctag-temp-file))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; Set the library
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-lib (concat char ctag-temp-lib))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; Set the sub-project
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-subp (concat char ctag-temp-subp))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; The rest is the project
		  (setq ctag-temp-project name)))

	ctag-temp-project))


(defun ctag-default-tag (cpp) "\
Return a default tag string based upon the text surrounding point in the 
current buffer (CWM)."
  (let ((valid-chars "\\sw\\|\\s_")
		start end)
	(if cpp
		(setq valid-chars (concat valid-chars "\\|:\\|~")))
	(save-excursion
	  (while (looking-at valid-chars) (forward-char))
	  (if (re-search-backward valid-chars nil t)
		  (progn 
			(forward-char 1)
			(setq end (point))
			(forward-char -1)
			(while (looking-at valid-chars) (forward-char -1))
			(forward-char 1)
			(setq start (point))
			(buffer-substring start end)
			)
		nil))))

(defun ctag-query-tag (prompt tag) "\
Read a tag to search for after querying the user. (CWM)"
  (let ((default tag))
	(setq tag (read-string
			   (if default
				   (format "%s(default %s) " prompt default)
				 prompt)))
	(if (string-equal tag "")
		default
	  tag)))

(defun ctag-query-file (prompt) "\
Read a file name to search for after querying the user. (CWM)"
  (let (default name)
	(save-excursion
	  (while (looking-at "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\.") (forward-char))
	  (setq default 
			(if (re-search-backward "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\." nil t)
				(progn 
				  (forward-char 1)
				  (buffer-substring 
				   (point)
				   (progn
					 (backward-char 1)
					 (while 
						 (and (> (point) 1)
							  (looking-at "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\."))
					   (backward-char 1))
					 (forward-char 1)
					 (point))))
			  nil)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 1) 
			 (string-equal (substring default 0 1) "<"))
		(setq default (substring default 1 nil)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 1) 
			 (string-equal (substring default -1 nil) ">"))
		(setq default (substring default 0 -1)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 2)
			 (string-equal (substring default -2 nil) ".o"))
		(setq default (concat (substring default 0 -2) ".c")))
	
	(setq name (read-string prompt default))
	(if (string-equal name "")
		default
	  name)))

;; This is needed because the line patterns in a ctag file do not quote all
;; Magic characters in GNU-emacs regular expressions.  It does some, so this
;; function must only do the needed ones.  The ctag regular expression was
;; made to work with VI.
;;
;; This function quotes:  * [ ] +

(defun ctag-quote-ctag-pattern (string) "\
Quote the characters required in the pattern describing the line. (CWM)"
  (let (char
		(new "")
		(rest string))
	(while (not (string-equal rest ""))
	  (progn
		(setq char (substring rest 0 1))
		(setq rest (substring rest 1))
		(if (or
			 (string-equal char "*")
			 (string-equal char "[")
			 (string-equal char "]")
			 (string-equal char "+"))
			(setq new (concat new (char-to-string ?\134) char))
		  (setq new (concat new char)))))
	new))

;; The tags file is damaged.  In order to support VI, the tags are at most
;; 30 characters long.  This means that if we specify a tag longer than this,
;; it won't be found in the tags file.  So we truncate the tag if we're in
;; VI compatibility mode.

(defun ctag-truncate-tag (tag) "\
If ctag-vi-compatibility, truncate tags to 30 characters. (CWM)"
  (if ctag-vi-compatability
	  (if (> (length tag) 30)
		  (substring tag 0 30)
		tag)
	tag))

(defun ctag-file-add (file) "\
Add a tag file to the start of the list of tag files to search."
  (interactive (list (read-file-name "Visit ctag table: (default tags) "
									 default-directory
									 (concat default-directory "tags")
									 t)))
  (setq file (expand-file-name file))
  (if (file-directory-p file)
      (setq file (concat file "tags")))
  (if (file-readable-p file)
	  (setq ctag-file-names (append (list file) ctag-file-names))
	(message "Can't read the tag file: %s" file)))


(defun ctag-file-remove () "\
Remove the last tag file to be added."
  (interactive)
  (if (listp ctag-file-names)
	  (setq ctag-file-names (cdr ctag-file-names)))
  (ctag-show-files))


(defun ctag-show-files () "\
Display the tag file names searched. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (message "%s" ctag-file-names))


;;
;;
;; Main tag functions
;;
;;

(defun ctag (tag) "\
Find TAG, starting at the beginning of the tag file list.  If tagname
is nil, the expression in the buffer at or around point is used as the 
tagname. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (ctag-query-tag "Find tag: " (ctag-default-tag t))))
  (ctag-main tag))

(defun ctag-at-point () "\
Find the tag under point. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (ctag-main (ctag-default-tag t)))

(defun ctag-main (tag) "\
Search for the tag given. (CWM)"
  (if (not ctag-file-names)
	  (call-interactively 'ctag-file-add))
  (if (and tag ctag-file-names)
	  (progn
		(setq tag (ctag-truncate-tag tag))
		(setq ctag-last-file ctag-file-names)
		(setq ctag-last-point 1)
		(setq ctag-last tag)
		(setq ctag-next-form '(ctag-find-next-tag 1))
		(setq ctag-recurse t)
		(ctag-find-next-tag 1))
	(message "Empty tagname or tagfile list")))

(defun ctag-find-next-tag (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag found by ctag.  
Handle recursion if needed. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let 
	  ((window-config (ctag-window-list))
	   (found-one nil))
	(if ctag-recurse
		(progn
		  (save-window-excursion
			(setq found-one (ctag-find-next n))
			(if found-one
				(recursive-edit)))
		  (if found-one
			  (ctag-window-restore window-config)))
	  (setq found-one (ctag-find-next n)))
	(if (not found-one)
		(message "Not found, tagname: %s" ctag-last))))

(defun ctag-find-next (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag found by ctag.
Return nil if not found, otherwise do the search. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p");; The arg is an integer.
  (if (and
	   ctag-last-file
	   (> n 0))
	  (progn
		(ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car ctag-last-file))
		(goto-char ctag-last-point)
		(if (re-search-forward (concat "^" ctag-last) nil t)
			(progn
			  (setq ctag-last-point (point))
			  (setq n (1- n))
			  (if (= n 0)
				  (ctag-do-search)
				(ctag-find-next n)))
		  (progn
			(setq ctag-last-file (cdr ctag-last-file))
			(setq ctag-last-point 1)
			(ctag-find-next n))))))


;;
;; Support routines to ctag
;;

(defun ctag-do-search () "\
Assume point is on a tag line.  Extract the file and line and then go there.
If the search is successful, enter a recursive edit if ctag-recurse is non-nil
 (CWM)"
  (let ((filename (ctag-get-filename))
		(cur-dir default-directory)
		(linepat (ctag-get-line))
		(case case-fold-search)
		found-point linenum found-it)
	(setq linenum (string-to-int linepat))
	(find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name filename))
	(widen)
	(goto-char (point-min))
	(setq default-directory cur-dir);; Restore default
	(if (= linenum 0)
		(progn
		  (setq case-fold-search nil)
		  (setq found-it (re-search-forward linepat nil t))
		  (setq case-fold-search case))
	  (progn
		(goto-line linenum)
		(setq found-it t)))
	(setq found-point (point))
	(if found-it
		(beginning-of-line))
	found-it))

(defun ctag-next-search () "\
Do another tag search, just like the last one (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (if ctag-next-form
	  (progn
		(if current-prefix-arg
			(setq ctag-recurse t)
		  (setq ctag-recurse nil))
		(eval ctag-next-form))
	(message "No next to search for.")))

(defun ctag-apropos (string) "\
Display list of all tags in tag tables that REGEXP match.
By default it only prints out the tag itself, given an argument it will
display the whole tag entry.  The whole entry includes the filename and line
number or pattern used in the tag search. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list
				(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer 
								(concat (if current-prefix-arg
											"Full listing tag "
										  "Tag ")
										"apropos (regexp): ")
								ctag-apropos-last)))
				  (setq ctag-apropos-last pattern))))
  (let ((file-list ctag-file-names)
		(match 0)
		end)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Tags List*"
		(princ "Tags matching regexp ")
		(prin1 string)
		(terpri)
		(while file-list
		  (princ (format "------  In file: %s\n" (car file-list)))
		  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car file-list))
		  (goto-char 1)
		  (while (re-search-forward string nil t)
			(save-excursion
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (skip-to-white-space)
			  (setq end (point))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (if (re-search-forward string end t)
				  (progn
					(setq match (1+ match))
					(beginning-of-line)
					(princ (buffer-substring 
							(point)
							(progn
							  (if current-prefix-arg
								  (progn
									(end-of-line)
									(point))
								end))))
					(terpri))))
			(forward-line 1))
		  (setq file-list (cdr file-list))))

	  ;; Decide whether or not to display the tag buffer.  Don't if there were 
	  ;; no matches found, otherwise do.
	  (if (> match 0)
		  (progn
			(display-buffer "*Tags List*")
			(message "Found %d matching tag%s" match (if (> match 1) "s" ""))
			(recursive-edit))
		(message "No tags match that pattern: %s" string)))))

(defun ctag-method-apropos (string) "\
Display a list of all C++ methods in tag tables that contain the PATTERN. (CWM)"
  (interactive 
   (list
	(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer "Method contains pattern: "
										 (ctag-default-tag nil))))
				  (setq ctag-method-last pattern))))
  (let ((last-ctag-apropos ctag-apropos-last))
	(ctag-apropos (concat "::.*" string))
	(setq ctag-apropos-last last-ctag-apropos)))

(defun ctag-method-list (name) "\
Display a list of all C++ methods in tag tables that belong to CLASS. (CWM)"
  (interactive 
   (list
	(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer "Class name : "
										 (ctag-default-tag nil))))
				  (setq ctag-class-last pattern))))
  (let ((last-ctag-apropos ctag-apropos-last))
	(ctag-apropos (concat name "::"))
	(setq ctag-apropos-last last-ctag-apropos)))

(defun ctag-visit-file (name) "\
Visit the files in the tag file which match NAME.  The next occurence of a 
file matching name can be found with the ctag-next-search command. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (ctag-query-file "Visit tag file: ")))
  (setq ctag-last-file ctag-file-names)
  (setq ctag-last-point 1)
  (setq ctag-visit-file-name name)
  (setq ctag-visited-files nil)
  (setq ctag-next-form '(ctag-visit-next-file 1))
  (setq ctag-recurse t)
  (ctag-visit-next-file 1))

(defun ctag-visit-next-file (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag file matching the previously set name.
Use ctag-visit-file to set the tag file name to match. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let (start end file (cur-dir default-directory) found)
	(while (and 
			(not found) 
			ctag-last-file 
			(> n 0))
	  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car ctag-last-file))
	  (goto-char ctag-last-point)
	  ;; Search for a match
	  (if (re-search-forward ctag-visit-file-name nil t)
		  (save-excursion
			(end-of-line)
			(setq ctag-last-point (point))
			(beginning-of-line)
			(skip-to-white-space)
			(save-excursion
			  (skip-white-space)
			  (skip-to-white-space)
			  (setq end (point)))
			;; Restrict this search to just the filename portion of tag
			(if (re-search-forward ctag-visit-file-name end t)
				(progn
				  ;; Got a file match
				  (setq file (ctag-get-filename))
				  (if (not (string-in-list ctag-visited-files file))
					  (progn
						;; First time we've visited this file
						(setq found t)
						(setq ctag-visited-files 
							  (append ctag-visited-files
									  (list file)))
						;; We may recurse here...
						(ctag-visit-file-doit file))))))
		(progn
		  ;; No match in this file, try the next file in list
		  (setq ctag-last-file (cdr ctag-last-file))
		  (setq ctag-last-point 1))))
	(if (not found)
		(message "File not found: %s" ctag-visit-file-name))))

(defun ctag-visit-file-doit (name) "\
Visit the file found in a ctag-visit-next-file call. (CWM)"
  (let ((cur-dir default-directory))
	(if ctag-recurse
		(save-window-excursion
		  (find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name name))
		  (setq default-directory cur-dir)
		  (message "Visiting file: %s" name)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (progn
		(find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name name))
		(setq default-directory cur-dir)
		(message "Visiting file: %s" name)))))

(defun ctag-window-list () "\
Returns a list of Lisp window objects and the point at the top of the window
for all Emacs windows. (CWM)"
  (let* ((first-window (selected-window))
		 (top-char (save-excursion
					 (move-to-window-line 0)
					 (point)))
		 (windows (cons 
				   (cons first-window 
						 (cons top-char 
							   (cons (point) nil))) nil))
		 (current-cons windows)
		 (w (next-window first-window nil)))
    (while (not (eq w first-window))
	  (select-window w)
      (setq current-cons 
			(setcdr current-cons
					(cons 
					 (cons w
						   (cons (save-excursion
								   (move-to-window-line 0)
								   (point))
								 (cons (point) nil))) nil)))
      (setq w (next-window w nil)))
	(select-window first-window)
    windows))

(defun ctag-window-restore (windows) "\
Restore the positioning of the windows from the window LIST
Used in conjunction with ctag-window-list (CWM)"
  (let* ((this (car windows))
		 (rest (cdr windows))
		 (top-char nil)
		 (window-from-list nil)
		 (first-window (selected-window))
		 the-point)
	(while this
	  (setq window-from-list (car this))
	  (setq top-char (car (cdr this)))
	  (setq the-point (car (cdr (cdr this))))
	  (select-window window-from-list)
	  (set-window-start nil top-char)
	  (goto-char the-point)
	  (setq this (car rest))
	  (setq rest (cdr rest)))
	(select-window first-window)))

;;
;; Extended software repository commands.
;;
;;   softwhere - shows you where a variable/function/file is defined/used.
;;   info      - shows you if a file is locked and by whom.
;;   diff      - find differences between current buffer and repo file.
;;   lget      - check out a file from the repo.
;;   lcncl     - cancel a lock on a repo file.
;;   lput      - put a file back into the repo.
;;

(defun ctag-softwhere (name) "\
Call the alias 'softwhere' program with the name.  (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (read-string "Softwhere on which string: "
									(ctag-default-tag nil))))
  (let (curbuf newbuf)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (setq curbuf (current-buffer))
	  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*Softwhere*"))
	  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (call-process "softwhere" nil t t name)
	  (pop-to-buffer curbuf)
	  (recursive-edit))))

(defun ctag-find-file-name (file-name) "\
Find the full pathname of the filename given by finding a match in the tags
file. (CWM)"
  (let ((tag-file ctag-file-names)
		(found-name nil))
	(setq file-name (concat "/" file-name))
	(while (and tag-file (not found-name))
	  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car tag-file))
	  (goto-char 0)
	  (setq tag-file (cdr tag-file))
	  (if (search-forward file-name nil t)
		  (setq found-name (ctag-get-filename))))
	found-name))

;;
;; Get some information on the repo-file
;;
(defun ctag-file-info () "\
Display information on the file associated with the current buffer. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (let ((file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
		person)
	(setq person (ctag-get-file-lock file-name))
	(if person
		(if (string-equal person "")
			(message "File is not locked.   (%s)" file-name)
		  (message "File is locked by %s   (%s)" person file-name))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Check the file out of the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-lget (arg) "\
Check the file associated with the current buffer out of the repo. 
If a file is obtained, then visit the file.  
If there is an argument to this function, then ask for which version
to obtain.  If you specify a version, then a lock is not obtained. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let (repo-file-name old-buff command yes repo-buff got-file to-point
					   proj subp lib file a-window new-buff version)
	(setq old-buff (current-buffer))
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if (> arg 1)
		(progn
		  (setq version (read-string "Which version do you want: " nil))
		  (if (string-equal "" version)
			  (setq version nil))))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lget"
								" -p" proj 
								" -s" subp 
								" -l" lib 
								(if version 
									(concat " -c -r " version)
								  "")
								" " file 
								" "))
		  
		  (if (yes-or-no-p command)
			  (save-window-excursion
				(setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				(pop-to-buffer repo-buff)
				(erase-buffer)
				(insert "Getting a repo file:\n\n" command "\n\n")
				(if version
					(call-process "lget" nil repo-buff t
								  (concat "-p" proj)
								  (concat "-s" subp)
								  (concat "-l" lib)
								  "-c"
								  "-r"
								  version
								  file)
				  (call-process "lget" nil repo-buff t
								(concat "-p" proj)
								(concat "-s" subp)
								(concat "-l" lib)
								file))
				(insert "\nDone.\n")
				(goto-char 0)
				(if (search-forward "-- " nil t)
					(progn
					  (setq got-file (buffer-substring (point) 
													   (progn (end-of-line)
															  (point))))
					  (set-buffer old-buff)
					  (setq to-point (point))
					  (find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name got-file))
					  (goto-char to-point)
					  (c-mode)
					  (recursive-edit))
				  (message "Lget failed: the file is already locked by %s"
						   (ctag-get-file-lock repo-file-name))))
			(message "Lget aborted."))

		 (if got-file
			 (progn
			   (setq new-buff (get-file-buffer got-file))
			   (setq a-window (get-buffer-window old-buff))
			   (if a-window
				   (set-window-buffer a-window new-buff)))))

	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Put a file back into the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-lput () "\
Put a file back into the repo.  The file used is the one associated with the
current buffer.  (CWM)."
  (interactive)
  (let (repo-file-name proj subp lib file command yes repo-buff old-buff)
	(setq old-buff (current-buffer))
	(if (buffer-modified-p)
		(save-some-buffers))
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lput -p" proj " -s" subp 
								" -l" lib " " file " "))

		  (save-window-excursion		  
			(find-file-other-window ".repo_message")
			(insert "Compose log message.  ^x^c to continue\n\n")
			(recursive-edit)
			(set-buffer (get-file-buffer ".repo_message"))
			(goto-char 0)
			(while (not (looking-at "\n")) (delete-char 1))
			(delete-char 1)
			(write-file ".repo_message")
			(if (yes-or-no-p command)
				(progn
				  (setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				  (switch-to-buffer repo-buff)
				  (erase-buffer)
				  (insert "Putting a file into the repo:\n\n"
						  "lput -p" proj " -s" subp " -l" lib " " file "\n\n")
				  (insert-file ".repo_message")
				  (goto-char (point-max))
				  (message "Lput in progress...")
				  (call-process "lput" ".repo_message" repo-buff t
								(concat "-p" proj)
								(concat "-s" subp)
								(concat "-l" lib)
								file)
				  (message "")
				  (insert "\nDone.\n")
				  (goto-char (point-max))
				  (recursive-edit))
			  (message "Lput aborted."))))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Cancel a repo lock.
;;
(defun ctag-lcncl () "\
Cancel the lock on the file associated with the current buffer from
the repo. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (let (repo-file-name proj subp lib file command yes repo-buff)
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lcncl -k -p" proj " -s" subp 
								" -l" lib " " file " "))
		  
		  (if (yes-or-no-p command)
			  (save-window-excursion
				(setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				(pop-to-buffer repo-buff)
				(erase-buffer)
				(insert "Canceling a lock:\n\n"
						"lcncl -k -p" proj " -s" subp " -l" lib " " file "\n\n")
				(call-process "lcncl" nil repo-buff t
							  "-k"
							  (concat "-p" proj)
							  (concat "-s" subp)
							  (concat "-l" lib)
							  file)
				(insert "\nDone.\n")
				(goto-char 0)
				(recursive-edit))
			(message "Lcncl aborted.")))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Find differences between current buffer, and repo-file.
;;
(defun ctag-file-diff () "\
Display differences between current buffer and its repo file.
next-error can be used to move between the differences. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (require 'compile)
  (let (orig-file-name file-name curbuf newbuf)
	(setq orig-file-name (buffer-file-name))
	(if orig-file-name
		(setq orig-file-name (file-name-nondirectory orig-file-name))
	  (setq orig-file-name "<No file name>"))
	(setq curbuf (current-buffer))
	(setq file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if (and file-name
			 (file-exists-p file-name))
		(save-window-excursion
		  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*compilation*"))
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (compilation-mode)
		  (toggle-read-only -1)
		  (erase-buffer)
		  (insert "Diff with " file-name "\n\n")
		  (pop-to-buffer curbuf)
		  (message "Diff in progress...")
		  (call-process-region (point-min)
							   (point-max)
							   "diff" nil newbuf t "-b" "-w" "-" file-name)
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^>" "old>")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^<" "new<")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^\\([0-9]+\\)" (concat "\nDiff error: "
												  orig-file-name
												  ", line \\1:  "))
		  (toggle-read-only 1)
		  (message "")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (setq compilation-error-list t)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Get the RCS log from the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-rlog () "\
Get the RCS log from the repo file associated with buffer."
  (interactive)
  (let (file-name newbuf)
	(setq file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if file-name
		(save-window-excursion
		  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*Repo*"))
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (erase-buffer)
		  (insert "Rlog for: " file-name "\n\n")
		  (message (concat "Executing: rlog " file-name))
		  (call-process-region (point-min)
							   (point-max)
							   "rlog" nil newbuf t file-name)
		  (message "")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Grep the AG one-liners file for a pattern.
;;
(defun ctag-ag-oneliner (string) "\
Find all occurences of the STRING in the AG one-liners file (CWM)"
  (interactive (list
				(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer 
								"AG oneliner search for: "
								ctag-ag-oneliner-last)))
				  (setq ctag-ag-oneliner-last pattern))))
  (let ((location) newbuf)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*AG oneliners*"))
	  (setq location (concat (getenv "PROJECT") "/AGv2.5/man/oneliner"))
	  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (insert "Oneliner file: " location "\n\n")
	  (insert "AG oneliner search for: " ctag-ag-oneliner-last "\n\n")
	  (message (concat "Searching for: " ctag-ag-oneliner-last))
	  (call-process-region (point-min)
						   (point-max)
						   "/bin/sh" nil newbuf t
						   "-c" (concat "grep" " -i"
										" " ctag-ag-oneliner-last
										" " location))
	  (message "")
	  (goto-char 0)
	  (recursive-edit))))

;; Make a keymap for the tag stuff

(setq ctag-map (make-sparse-keymap))
(define-key	ctag-map 	"." 	'ctag)
(define-key	ctag-map 	"?" 	'ctag-apropos)
(define-key	ctag-map 	":" 	'ctag-method-apropos)
(define-key ctag-map    "+"     'ctag-file-add)
(define-key ctag-map    "-"     'ctag-file-remove)
(define-key ctag-map    "="     'ctag-show-files)
(define-key ctag-map    "a"     'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "c"     'ctag-lcncl)
(define-key ctag-map    "d"     'ctag-file-diff)
(define-key ctag-map    "g"     'ctag-lget)
(define-key ctag-map    "i"     'ctag-file-info)
(define-key ctag-map    "l"     'ctag-rlog)
(define-key ctag-map    "m"     'ctag-method-list)
(define-key ctag-map    "p"     'ctag-lput)
(define-key ctag-map    "v"     'ctag-visit-file)
(define-key ctag-map 	"w"		'ctag-softwhere)
(define-key ctag-map    "A"     'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^a"   'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^n"   'ctag-next-search)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^v"   'ctag-visit-file)
(define-key	ctag-map 	"\^w" 	'ctag-softwhere)

;; Do this to put the map where you want it:
;;(define-key global-map 	"\^t" ctag-map)

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Hi,

does anyone know if, with VM, there's an accelerator key or a function to decode uuencoded-mail-attachments.

Any help is really appreciated (pleaz post + e-mail me)!

--Nick


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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca> writes:

    Mark> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996
    Mark> on bhl3h21 Has anyone been able to get SIGIO handling to
    Mark> work under HP-UX 9.05 using gcc 2.7.2?

    Mark> If I build with or without BROKEN_SIGO (sp?) defined, I
    Mark> still find that I can not interrupt "(while t)" using C-g
    Mark> (as is mentioned in the FAQ).

    Mark> When running with the default configuration (ie. no
    Mark> BROKEN_SIGIO) I also suffered from lots of unexpected signal
    Mark> crashes.

Would it be possible for you to try compiling with HP ansi C compiler?
The hpux9 binary kit has been built this way, and works fine (I did
the build).

The hpux9 kit also incorporate fixes for broken strcat(), and a fix to
make it run correctly on hpux 10.10.

Richard.

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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local
    DM> style gets passed to c-add-style again which replaces it in
    DM> c-style-alist even though nothing has changed (short of
    DM> writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you could
    DM> change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to
    DM> be a good candidate for something you would do in a load hook
    DM> (true?).

You only want to do c-add-style once.  In your mode hook use
c-set-style to just install the style in the current buffer.  It's
pretty easy to use a flag (or an assoc test of c-style-alist) to know
whether you've done the c-add-style or not.

Something like (untested):

    (if (assoc my-style-name c-style-alist)
	(c-set-style my-style-name)
      (c-add-style my-style-name my-style-description 'set))

ought to do it.

-Barry

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Xemacs dudes:

My first time checking out OO Browser (which looks outstanding).

Minor problem - when using in Java mode, I created OOBR, but
had to disable scanning of src/java/io/PipedInputStream.java,
which was causing a coredump. I've just downloaded Sun's Java
workshop. The full text of PipedInputStream.java comes next,
followed by gdb where.

-------------------cut here-------------------

/*
 * @(#)PipedInputStream.java    1.12 96/04/02 James Gosling
 * 
 * Copyright (c) 1994 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 * 
 * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
 * documentation for NON-COMMERCIAL purposes and without fee is hereby
 * granted provided that this copyright notice appears in all copies.
Please
 * refer to the file "copyright.html" for further important copyright
and
 * licensing information.
 * 
 * SUN MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES ABOUT THE SUITABILITY OF
THE
 * SOFTWARE, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
 * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE,
 * OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. SUN SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES SUFFERED
BY
 * LICENSEE AS A RESULT OF USING, MODIFYING OR DISTRIBUTING THIS
SOFTWARE OR
 * ITS DERIVATIVES.
 */

package java.io;

import java.io.*;
import java.io.IOException;

/**
 * PipedInputStream must be connected to a PipedOutputStream
 * to be useful.  A thread reading from a PipedInputStream recieves data
from
 * a thread writing to the PipedOutputStream it is connected to.
 *
 * @see PipedOutputStream
 * @version     96/04/02
 * @author      James Gosling
 */
public
class PipedInputStream extends InputStream {
    boolean closed = true;      

        /* REMIND: identification of the read and write sides needs to
be
           more sophisticated.  Either using thread groups (but what
about
           pipes within a thread?) or using finalization (but it may be
a
           long time until the next GC). */
    Thread readSide;
    Thread writeSide;

    /* The circular buffer into which incoming data is placed */
    private byte buffer[] = new byte[1024];

    /*
     * fill and empty pointers.  in<0 implies the buffer is empty,
in==out
     * implies the buffer is full
     */
    int in = -1;
    int out = 0;

    /**
     * Creates an input file from the specified PiledOutputStream.
     * @param src the stream to connect to.
     */
    public PipedInputStream (PipedOutputStream src) throws IOException {
        connect(src);
    }

    /**
     * Creates an input file that isn't connected to anything (yet).
     * It must be connected to a PipedOutputStream before being used.
     */
    public PipedInputStream () {
    }

    /**
     * Connects this input stream to a sender.
     * @param src       The OutputStream to connect to.
     */
    public void connect(PipedOutputStream src) throws IOException {
        src.connect(this);
    }
    
    /**
     * Receives a byte of data.  This method will block if no input is
     * available.
     * @param b the byte being received
     * @exception IOException If the pipe is broken.
     */
    synchronized void receive(int b) throws IOException {
        writeSide = Thread.currentThread();
        while (in == out) {
            if ((readSide != null) && !readSide.isAlive()) {
                throw new IOException("Pipe broken");
            }
            /* full: kick any waiting readers */
            notifyAll();        
            try {
                wait(1000);
            } catch (InterruptedException ex) {
                throw new java.io.InterruptedIOException();
            }
        }
        if (in < 0) {
            in = 0;
            out = 0;
        }
        buffer[in++] = (byte)(b & 0xFF);
        if (in >= buffer.length) {
            in = 0;
        }
    }

    /**
     * Receives data into an array of bytes.  This method will
     * block until some input is available. 
     * @param b the buffer into which the data is received
     * @param off the start offset of the data
     * @param len the maximum number of bytes received
     * @return the actual number of bytes received, -1 is
     *          returned when the end of the stream is reached. 
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred. 
     */
    synchronized void receive(byte b[], int off, int len)  throws
IOException {
        while (--len >= 0) {
            receive(b[off++]);
        }
    }

    /**
     * Notifies all waiting threads that the last byte of data has been
     * received.
     */
    synchronized void receivedLast() {
        closed = true;
        notifyAll();
    }

    /**
     * Reads a byte of data. This method will block if no input is
available.
     * @return  the byte read, or -1 if the end of the stream is
reached.
     * @exception IOException If the pipe is broken.
     */
    public synchronized int read()  throws IOException {
        int trials = 2;
        while (in < 0) {
            readSide = Thread.currentThread();
            if ((writeSide != null) && (!writeSide.isAlive()) &&
(--trials < 0)) {
                throw new IOException("Pipe broken");
            }
            if (closed) {
                return -1;
            }

            /* might be a writer waiting */
            notifyAll();
            try {
                wait(1000);
            } catch (InterruptedException ex) {
                throw new java.io.InterruptedIOException();
            }
        }
        int ret = buffer[out++] & 0xFF;
        if (out >= buffer.length) {
            out = 0;
        }
        if (in == out) {
            /* now empty */
            in = -1;            
        }
        return ret;
    }

    /**
     * Reads into an array of bytes.
     * Blocks until some input is available.
     * @param b the buffer into which the data is read
     * @param off the start offset of the data
     * @param len the maximum number of bytes read
     * @return  the actual number of bytes read, -1 is
     *          returned when the end of the stream is reached.
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred.
     */
    public synchronized int read(byte b[], int off, int len)  throws
IOException {
        if (len <= 0) {
            return 0;
        }

        /* possibly wait on the first character */
        int c = read();         
        if (c < 0) {
            return -1;
        }
        b[off] = (byte) c;
        int rlen = 1;
        while ((in >= 0) && (--len > 0)) {
            b[off + rlen] = buffer[out++];
            rlen++;
            if (out >= buffer.length) {
                out = 0;
            }
            if (in == out) {
                /* now empty */
                in = -1;        
            }
        }
        return rlen;
    }

  /*
   * should be overridden from parentclass (used to always return 0)
   * should this also be synchronized?? -DAB
   */
  public synchronized int available() throws IOException {
    if(in < 0)
      return 0;
    else if(in == out)
      return buffer.length;
    else if (in > out)
      return in - out;
    else
      return in + buffer.length - out;
  }
    

    /**
     * Closes the input stream. Must be called
     * to release any resources associated with
     * the stream.
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred.
     */
    public void close()  throws IOException {
        in = -1;
        closed = true;
    }

}

-------------------cut here-------------------

Running "OOBR build" on the class above reproduces the problem
(os==Sparc Solaris 2.5)

> gdb `which xemacs` core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.15.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.5), 
Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols
found)...

warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
"/usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-1/lib/libc_psr.so.1": not in executable
format: File format not recognized.
#0  0xef3f3e30 in _edata ()
(gdb) where
#0  0xef3f3e30 in _edata ()
#1  0x66544 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0xef3b7d4c in _edata ()
#3  0xebbd0 in re_match_2 ()
#4  0xeaaa4 in re_match_2 ()
#5  0xe948c in re_search_2 ()
#6  0xef34c in Fskip_syntax_backward ()
#7  0xeeb5c in Fskip_syntax_backward ()
#8  0xf01e4 in Fre_search_forward ()
#9  0x6dd90 in Fapply ()
#10 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#11 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#12 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#13 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#14 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#15 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#16 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#17 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#18 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#19 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#20 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#21 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#22 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#23 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#24 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#25 0xa21b8 in Fnconc ()
#26 0xa2324 in Fmapcar ()
#27 0x6dd3c in Fapply ()
#28 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#29 0x6d208 in funcall_recording_as ()
#30 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#31 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#32 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#33 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#34 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#35 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#36 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#37 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#38 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#39 0xa21b8 in Fnconc ()
#40 0xa2324 in Fmapcar ()
#41 0x6dd3c in Fapply ()
#42 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#43 0x6d208 in funcall_recording_as ()
#44 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#45 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#46 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#47 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#48 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#49 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#50 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#51 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#52 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#53 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#54 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#55 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#56 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#57 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#58 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#59 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#60 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#61 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#62 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#63 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#64 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#65 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#66 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#67 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#68 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#69 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#70 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#71 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#72 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#73 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#74 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#75 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#76 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#77 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#78 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#79 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#80 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#81 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#82 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#83 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#84 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#85 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#86 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#87 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#88 0x6db10 in Fapply ()
#89 0x6eb64 in apply1 ()
#90 0x4dfdc in Fcall_interactively ()
#91 0x6dd54 in Fapply ()
#92 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#93 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#94 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#95 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#96 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#97 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#98 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#99 0x4f490 in Fcall_interactively ()
#100 0x6dd54 in Fapply ()
#101 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#102 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#103 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#104 0x7aa54 in extract_vector_nth_mouse_event ()
#105 0x7b4a0 in Fdispatch_event ()
#106 0x522dc in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#107 0x52108 in Frecursive_edit ()
#108 0x69c94 in condition_case_1 ()
#109 0x52548 in vars_of_cmdloop ()
#110 0x69a40 in internal_catch ()
#111 0x51d38 in initial_command_loop ()
#112 0x673ac in Finvocation_name ()
#113 0x67758 in main ()
(gdb) 


                        - Rick

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From: Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu>
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Subject: Re: Screen freeze
Date: 25 Oct 1996 12:30:13 -0400
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We've been haveing the same problem.  The menus continue to work and
select "Buffers --> List All Buffers" also unwedges XEmacs (as well as
iconify/uniconify).  This happens with both 19.14 and 19.15 beta 2.

--pete

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From: "Kevin M. DeLuca" <kmd@inri.com>
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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: XEmacs 19.13 problem
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I'm running the following xemacs...

lonestar>what /usr/local/bin/xemacs
/usr/local/bin/xemacs:
        XEmacs 19.13 of Sun Oct  1 1995 on miles (hpux) [formerly
Lucid Emacs]
        Configuration: hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.01
        OSF/Motif Version 1.2.2
        HP libAlib v 0.1 Thu Aug 13 14:36:12 EDT 1992

and am getting a problem that I can recreate.

Essentially, everytime I go through an editing session, when I exit
xemacs I get a continuous stream of X protocol errors...

...
xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52152
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52153
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52154
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

...

I then have to send SIGTERM to the process which causes it to dump
core.  Of course the core is not of much use since it is triggered by
the SIGTERM...

lonestar>gdb `which xemacs` core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.15.1 (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.07), Copyright 1995 Free Software
Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x299cf8 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x299cf8 in kill ()
#1  0x61fb0 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0x4010b880 in _end ()
#3  0x61fb0 in fatal_error_signal ()
#4  0xe0202750 in _end ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x64657669.
(gdb) q

Thanks.

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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: regular expression pains with [^>]
Date: 25 Oct 1996 21:14:56 +0200
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Greetings,

Well according to the responses, nobody experiences the same
behaviour. I can make the following work for
delete-matching-lines by inserting an explicit ^J, (though even
this when typed in you cannot see as it inserts a real physical new
line, even if I use ^Q first)

However, it does not work for query-replace-regexp

This should be quite easy to do...reading the FAQ and the info
pages hasn't helped me though.

I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".  

So, I tried:

^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n\r^M].*$ which doesn't work

Can somebody give me a hand!  They all almost work, but they all match
the *first* line of > indented text as well as the other lines, which
is *not* what is intended!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

> asdf
> blah

----------------------------------------------------------------------
becomes:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> blah
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Jon
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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Using ispell 4.0 with 3.1 library - can I do it?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:58:30 -0400
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This problem came up when I tried to use ispell inside of XEmacs.

ispell 4.0 is installed on my system and I want to install a newer
executable (3.1 - go figure).  Can I use the existing dictionary with
the new executable, and how do I alter config.h to use it (it is in a
non-standard directory)?
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Subject: Re: iso-acc.el for XEmacs
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I have the following lines in my .emacs which let me read and write accente=
d =

characters and use the 'Compose' key on my Sun keyboard:

  ;; print 8-bit characters
  (standard-display-european 1)
  (load "iso-syntax")
  ;; accept typing of 8-bit characters (prefix=3D C-x 8)
  (load "iso-insert")
  ;; Bind The 8859-1-map to the Compose key...
  (global-set-key [(multi_key)] 8859-1-map)

'Compose' ^ o =3D> =F4
'Compose' ' e =3D> =E9
'Compose' ` a =3D> =E0
'Compose' " i =3D> =EF
'Compose' , c =3D> =E7
=2E..


Martin Boyer wrote:
> =

> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
> characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is entered
> BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e =3D> e-acute).
> =

> With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothing
> similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manual
> and the elisp archive.
> =

> --
> Martin Boyer                           http://www.robot.ireq.ca/Martin.Bo=
yer/
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On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:

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I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my college
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I am trying to install Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5 machine
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Now I have seen the PROBLEMS file that comes with the installation.
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But I have tried this with it unset and it seems to make no difference.

 Is there something rather obvious that I am missing ? 

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goetze@get.uni-paderborn.de (Nicki Goetze) writes:

> does anyone know if, with VM, there's an accelerator key or a
> function to decode uuencoded-mail-attachments.

That's a FAQ. I adapted the following from a package I got from:

    From: keith.harp@East.Sun.COM (t e bennett)
    Subject: mailtool attachments in vm (was: decoding files received by mail (vm))
    Date: 08 Jun 1994 10:52:27 EDT

You'll also need the "runfile" program (appended).
I use the following code to interface it:

(autoload 'vm-list-attachments    "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-extract-attachment  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-run-attachments	  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-extract-in-place	  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-attach		  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)

(defun vm-ireq-add-summary-menus ()
  (add-submenu '("Dispose")
	       '("Attachments"
		 ["List" vm-list-attachments :active t]
		 ["Extract" vm-extract-attachment :active t]
		 ["UUdecode in place" vm-extract-in-place :active t]
		 ["Run" vm-run-attachments :active t])
	       "Burst Message as Digest")
  )
(add-hook 'vm-summary-mode-hook 'vm-ireq-add-summary-menus)


;; vm-mailtool.el -- addon package for VM to extract MailTool attachments
;; last updated by Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> on October 7, 96

;; extract the MailTool attachments and put them in a file
;;  Automatically puts the attachments in a subdirectory "attach" or
;; can run them.  Requires an executable called runfile.
;;
;;  major entries:
;;      vm-list-attachments
;;      vm-extract-attachment
;;      vm-extract-in-place
;;      vm-run-attachment
;;      vm-attach 
;;    send bug reports  to keith.harp@east.sun.com

;;  Note that if you forward a postscript file as a attachment, you
;;  can not be using digest forwarding:
;;      (setq vm-rfc934-forwarding nil) -- older versions like 5.32
;;      (setq vm-forwarding-digest-type nil) -- newer versions like 5.66

(defvar vm-extract-directory "" 
"*the default directory to extract attachments to")

(defvar vm-run-directory nil
"*if set, then extract to this directory and dont delete on a vm-run-attachment")

(defvar vm-run-file "vm-runfile"
"*the program used to execute attachments")
;;
;;

(require 'vm)

(defun vm-next-attachment()
  "return nil if no more attachments; if an attachment exists, return a list
consisting of (beginning-of-header end-of-header number-of-lines filename special-text)
point is left at the end of the header.  special-text indicates that
this could be the special text attachment that we don't extract at the beginning."
  (let (start 
	begin-header 
	end-header 
	lines 
	filename 
	file
	(special-text nil))
    (if (not (search-forward "X-Sun-Data-Name: " nil t))
	nil
      (setq start (point))

      ;; header starts two lines before the X-Sun-Data-Name field
      (search-backward "----------")
      (setq begin-header (point))

      ;;header ends after an empty line
      (search-forward "\n\n")
      (setq end-header (point))

      ;; extract file name
      (goto-char start)
      (skip-chars-forward "^\n")
      (setq file (buffer-substring start (point)))

      ;; if this is the special non-attachment text field, 
      ;; then don't extract it. 
      (if (and (equal file "text") 
	       (progn
		 (goto-char begin-header)
		 (search-forward "X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text" end-header t)))
	  (setq special-text t))

      ;; find length of file
      (goto-char start)
      (search-forward "X-Sun-Content-Lines: " end-header)
      (setq start (point))
      (skip-chars-forward "0-9")
      (setq lines (string-to-int (buffer-substring start (point))))

      (goto-char end-header)
      (list begin-header end-header lines file special-text))))


(defun vm-extract-compressed (end-header lines file)
  "see if the region is compressed, extract it if it is; return the filename
that it was extracted to, leave point at end of region, regardless"
  
  ;; currently only handles two types of encoding 
  ;;  1. uuencoding
  ;;  2. default-compression
  ;; It also assumes that default-compression is only used if
  ;; uuencoding is also used.
  (let ((uudecode nil)
	(decompress nil)
	(uudecoded-name nil)
	start2)
    (if (search-forward "X-Sun-Encoding-Info:" end-header t)
	(let (start end-line begin-name)
	  (setq start (point))
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (setq end-line (point))
	  (goto-char start)
	  (setq decompress (search-forward "default-compress" end-line t))
	  (if (search-forward "uuencode" end-line t)
	      (save-excursion
		(setq uudecode t)
		;;extract the uudecoded name
		;;note that the current version of uudecode
		;;has a bug when there a spaces in the filename
		;;uudecode only puts out the first token, not
		;;the whole name.
		(goto-char end-header)
		(skip-chars-forward "^ \t") ;; begin
		(skip-chars-forward " \t")  ;; spaces
		(skip-chars-forward "^ \t") ;; mode
		(skip-chars-forward " \t")  ;; spaces
		(setq begin-name (point))
		;; when the bug in uudecode is fixed, this
		;; should be changed to "^\n"
		(skip-chars-forward "^\n \t")
		(setq uudecoded-name (buffer-substring begin-name (point)))
		;; If the uudecoded name has a / in it, then
		;; uudecode wants to put it in a directory. 
		;; create this directory
		(if (search-backward "/" begin-name t)
		    (let ((newdir (buffer-substring begin-name (point))))
		      (message "creating %s" newdir)
		      (make-directory newdir)))))))

    (goto-char end-header)
    (forward-line lines)
    (if uudecode
	(save-excursion
	  (let ((old-shell-file-name shell-file-name))
	    ;; we must specify /bin/sh in order to avoid a problem
	    ;; with file names with ! in them as the last character.
	    (setq shell-file-name "/bin/sh")
	    (shell-command-on-region end-header (point) "uudecode")
	    (if decompress
		(shell-command 
		 (format "mv '%s' tmpattach; uncompress < tmpattach > '%s'; rm tmpattach" 
			 uudecoded-name file))
	      (if (not (string= uudecoded-name file))
		  (rename-file uudecoded-name file)))
	    (message "uudecoded %s%s" default-directory file)
	    (setq shell-file-name old-shell-file-name)
	    t))
      nil)))


(defun vm-attachment-list()
  "list any X attachments in the current buffer.  Return the number
of attachments and a string with them listed."
  (interactive)
  (message "Looking for attachments...")
  
  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
;  (vm-display-current-message-buffer) ;; gone from vm5.51
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))

  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
	(msg nil)
	(found 0)
	(menu '( "Select Attachment" ["All" '0 t] ))
	name
	info-list)
  
    (unwind-protect 
	(progn
	  (save-window-excursion 
	    (save-excursion
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      
	      ;; find file info
	      (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
		(if (not (nth 4 info-list))
		    (progn
		      (setq name (nth 3 info-list))
		      (setq found (1+ found))
		      (setq msg (concat msg (format "%d) %s; " found name)))
		      (setq menu (append menu (list (vector name (list 'quote found) t))))
		      ))
		(forward-line (nth 2 info-list)))

	      (if (equal found 0)
		  (setq msg nil)))))
      ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
      (setq default-directory old-dir))
    (list found msg menu)))

(defun vm-list-attachments()
  "list any X attachments in the current buffer.  The index into the
list can be used as the prefix argument to vm-extract-attachment or
vm-run-attachment"
  (interactive)
  (let ((attachments (vm-attachment-list)))
    (if (equal (car attachments) 0)
	(message "No attachments found")
      (message "%s" (nth 1 attachments)))))
      
(defun vm-do-extract-attach(dir runit deleteit which-one)
  "extract any X attachments in the current buffer and save them to files
arg DIR is the directory to extract to.  RUNIT is whether or not to call
runfile on the file (requires executable runfile on path).  DELETEIT
is whether or not to delete the extracted file after running it.
WHICHONE is the offset from the beginning of the file to extract
\(0 means all)"
  (message "Looking for attachments...")

  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
  ;;(vm-display-current-message-buffer)
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))

  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
        (found 0)
        info-list)

    (unwind-protect 
	(let (fulldir executable)
	  (save-window-excursion 
	    (save-excursion
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	    
	      (setq fulldir (expand-file-name dir))
	      (if (not (file-directory-p fulldir))
		  (make-directory fulldir))
	      (setq default-directory (concat fulldir "/"))

	      (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
		(if (nth 4 info-list)
		    (forward-line (nth 2 info-list))
		  (let 
		      ((end-header (nth 1 info-list))
		       (start  (nth 0 info-list))
		       (file   (nth 3 info-list))
		       (lines  (nth 2 info-list)))
		    (setq found (1+ found))

		    ;; if we have specified
		    ;; that we only want one of the attachments, and
		    ;; this is not it, then skip this one.
		    (if (and (/= which-one 0) (/= found which-one))
			(progn
			  (goto-char end-header)
			  (forward-line lines))

		      ;; see if this is a executable
		      (goto-char start)
		      (setq executable 
			    (re-search-forward 
			     "X-Sun-Data-Type: \\(default-app\\|cshell-script\\|shell-script\\)" 
			     end-header t))

		      (goto-char start)

		      ;; if the file already exists, rename the current file
		      ;; to file.uniqueinteger
		      (if (file-exists-p file)
			  (let ((i 0) newfile)
			    (while (file-exists-p (setq newfile (format "%s.%d" file i)))
			      (setq i (1+ i)))
			    (rename-file file newfile)))

		      ;; vm-extract-compressed leaves point at end of attachment
		      (if (not (vm-extract-compressed end-header lines file))
			  (progn
			    (message "Writing %s" file)
			    (write-region end-header (point) file nil nil)))
		
		      (if executable
			  (set-file-modes file (logior (file-modes file) ?\111)))
					
		      (if runit
			  (progn
			    (message "Executing %s" file)
			    (if deleteit
				(start-process "runfile" nil "nohup" vm-run-file "-d" file)
			      (start-process "runfile" nil "nohup" vm-run-file file))
			    ))
		
		      ))));; end while 
	      (if (equal found 0)
		  (message "No attachments found")
		(if deleteit
		    (message "Done")
		  (message "Attachments in %s" default-directory))))))
      ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
      (setq default-directory old-dir))))
      

(defun popup-and-wait(menu)
  "After popping up a menu, wait for the result and return the callback"
  (popup-menu menu)
  (let ((event (allocate-event)))
    (catch 'popup-and-wait-done
      (while t
	(next-command-event event)
	(cond 
	 ((and (menu-event-p event)
	       (eq (event-object event) 'menu-no-selection-hook))
	  (progn
	    (signal 'quit nil)))
	 ((menu-event-p event) 
	  (throw 'popup-and-wait-done (event-object event)))
	 ((button-release-event-p event) ;; don't beep twice
	  nil)
	 (t
	  (beep)
	  (message "please answer the dialog box")))))))

  
(defun vm-derive-which-extract()
  "derive which to extract.  return 0 for all,
or the number of the attachment to extract"
   (if current-prefix-arg
       current-prefix-arg
     (let ((attachments (vm-attachment-list)))
       (let ((found (car attachments)))
	 (cond ((equal found 0)
		(error "No attachments to extract"))
	       ((equal found 1) 
		0) ;; don't prompt, just accept it.

	       ;; if we can use popups, and the last event was a mouse
	       ;; driven one, use a popup.
	       
	       ;; I know that there is a bug where if the popup appears
	       ;; over another window, the wrong window is selected.
	       ((and (vm-lucid-emacs-p) (or
					 (button-press-event-p last-command-event)
					 (button-release-event-p last-command-event)
					 (menu-event-p last-command-event)))
		(eval (popup-and-wait (nth 2 attachments))))

	       ;; otherwise, read from the minibuffer
	       (t 	   
		(read-minibuffer
		 (format "Which one (%s) (0 for all) >" (nth 1 attachments))
		 "0")))))))
   
  

(defun vm-extract-attachment(which-one dir)
  "extract any X attachments in the current buffer and save them to files
arg DIR is the directory to extract to.  The default directory to save
to is the current directory (of the mail folder) or the value of 
vm-extract-directory.  Use of the prefix operator allows you to specify
WHICH to extract"
  (interactive 
   (list
    (vm-derive-which-extract)
    (expand-file-name (read-file-name 
		       (format "Extract to directory: (default %s) " 
			       (expand-file-name vm-extract-directory))
		       nil vm-extract-directory nil))))
  (vm-do-extract-attach dir nil nil which-one))


(defun vm-run-attachment(which-one)
  "Extract any attachments and run them using the runfile program.
   Use of the prefix operator allows you to specify WHICH to run"
  (interactive (list (vm-derive-which-extract)))
  (if vm-run-directory
      (vm-do-extract-attach vm-run-directory t nil which-one)
    (vm-do-extract-attach "/tmp/attach" t t which-one)))



(defun vm-extract-in-place(which-one)
  "Extract a uuencoded text attachment and replace it in place with
a non-uuencoded version.  The prefix operator allows you to specify
WHICH to run"
  (interactive (list (vm-derive-which-extract)))

  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
;  (vm-display-current-message-buffer)
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))
  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
	(replaced 0)
	(found 0)
	nchars
	(nlines 0)
	info-list)

    (unwind-protect 
      (progn
	(save-window-excursion 
	  (save-excursion
	    (setq default-directory "/tmp/")
	    (vm-edit-message)
	    (message "extracting in place...")
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    
	    ;; find file info
	    (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
	      (if (nth 4 info-list)
		  (forward-line (nth 2 info-list))
              (let 
                   ((end-header (nth 1 info-list))
                    (start  (nth 0 info-list))
                    (file   (nth 3 info-list))
                    (lines  (nth 2 info-list)))
		(setq found (1+ found))

                ;; if we have specified
                ;; that we only want one of the attachments, and
                ;; this is not it, then skip this one.
                (if (and (/= which-one 0) (/= found which-one))
		    (progn
		      (goto-char end-header)
		      (forward-line lines))

		  ;; vm-extract-compressed leaves point at end of attachment
		  (goto-char start)
		  (if (vm-extract-compressed end-header lines file)
		      (progn
			(setq replaced (1+ replaced))
			(delete-region end-header (point))
			(setq nchars (nth 1 (insert-file-contents file)))
			(setq nlines (count-lines (point) (+ (point) nchars)))

			;; we have to be careful that this is not a deskset message
			(if (looking-at "From")
			    (insert ">"))

			(goto-char start)
			(if (re-search-forward "X-Sun-Encoding-Info: .*\n" end-header t)
			    (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0)))
			(if (re-search-forward "X-Sun-Content-Lines: *\\([0-9]+\\)"
					       end-header t)
			    (replace-match (format "X-Sun-Content-Lines: %d" nlines)))
			(forward-line (+ 1 nlines))
			(delete-file file)))))))

	    (vm-edit-message-end))))

    ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
    (setq default-directory old-dir))
  (message "replaced %d attachments" replaced)))

;; if it is not already set up as a X-sun-attachment type, then
;; we need to do so.  Also set up the opening text as the dummy text 
;; attachment (fortunately, it is OK to say length 0, and we don't
;; have to give the real length.  Otherwise, we would need a send-mail-hook.
(defun vm-insert-dummy-attachment()
  (if (not (search-backward "Content-Type: X-sun-attachment" (point-min) t))
      (progn
	(goto-char (point-min))
	(insert "Content-Type: X-sun-attachment\n")
	(re-search-forward (concat "^" mail-header-separator "\n") (point-max) t)
	(insert "----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text
X-Sun-Data-Name: text
X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 0

"))))


;; This routine is derived from one on sun.emacs contributed by 
;; Cris Perdue (cperdue@clam.Sun.COM)
(defun vm-attach (file)
  "This attaches a file in the manner of Sun's mailtool.
If a prefix argument is supplied, encodes the file with uuencode.
Always appends the new attachment.
Leaves point at the beginning of the contents of the file.  You may
hand-edit the headers except for X-Sun-Content-Lines."
  (interactive "fAttach file: ")
  (let ((encode current-prefix-arg)
	filetype nchars nlines end-loc 
	(here (point-max)))
    (message "attaching %s..." file) 
    (setq filetype (shell-command (format "%s -type %s" vm-run-file 
					  (expand-file-name file))))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    ;; here would be a natural place to say if filetype is one of the following
    ;; then encode it automatically.
    (if encode
	(progn
	  (shell-command (format "uuencode %s %s" file (file-name-nondirectory file)) t)
	  ; version 19.6 of lemacs adds an optional parameter to mark.
	  ; this must be true if zmacs-regions is true, or we return nil.
	  ; prior versions cannot be passed a parameter.
	  (setq end-loc (mark t))
	  (setq nchars (- end-loc (point)))
	  (setq nlines (count-lines (point) end-loc)))
      (progn
	(setq nchars (nth 1 (insert-file-contents file)))
	(setq nlines (count-lines (point) (+ (point) nchars)))))
    (insert "----------\n")
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Type: %s\n" filetype))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Description: %s\n" filetype))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Name: %s\n" (file-name-nondirectory file)))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Full-File-Name: %s\n" (expand-file-name file)))
    (if encode
      (insert "X-Sun-Encoding-Info: uuencode\n"))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Content-Lines: %d\n\n" nlines))
    (vm-insert-dummy-attachment)
    (goto-char (point-max))))

(defun vm-attach-binary (file)
  "This attaches a binary file in the manner of Sun's mailtool.
Encodes the file with uuencode.
Always appends the new attachment.
Leaves point at the beginning of the contents of the file.  You may
hand-edit the headers except for X-Sun-Content-Lines."
  (interactive "fAttach binary file: ")
  (let ((current-prefix-arg t))
    (vm-attach file)))

;; We need to shuffle things around when we forward messages such that
;; the mailtool can recognize the forwarded message as an attachment.
(defun vm-cleanup-forwarded-attachments()
  (save-excursion
    (if (re-search-forward "^Content-Type: X-sun-attachment\n" (point-max) t)
	(progn
	  (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
	  (goto-char (point-min))
	  (if (re-search-forward "----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text\n" (point-max) t)
	      (let 
		  ((start (match-beginning 0)))
		(search-forward "\n\n")
		(delete-region start (match-end 0))
		))
	  (vm-insert-dummy-attachment))))
  nil)

(add-hook 'vm-forward-message-hook 'vm-cleanup-forwarded-attachments)

(defalias 'vm-lucid-emacs-p 'vm-xemacs-p)

(provide 'vm-extract)

----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: t
X-Sun-Data-Description: t
X-Sun-Data-Name: runfile.c
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 235

/*
 * runfile [-v] [-dryrun] [-d] filenames ...
 * execute a file like filemgr would if you clicked on it.
 *    -v      verbose
 *    -dryrun just say what you're doing, don't do it
 *    -d      destructive.  Remove the file after you execute it.
 *    -type   just output the type of the file; don't run it.
 *  all the options are toggles so that they can be used on 
 *  individual files
 */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <desktop/ce.h>
#include <desktop/ce_err.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>

/* variable definitions */
CE_NAMESPACE 	f_name_space, t_name_space;
CE_ENTRY 	ftype_ent, ttype_ent;
CE_ATTRIBUTE 	fns_type, fns_attr, tns_attr, tns_open, default_open, default_run;

int executable(int fd)
{
    struct stat buf;

    if (fstat(fd,&buf)) {
	perror(NULL);
	fprintf(stderr, "Unable to stat file\n");
	return 0;
    }
    return (buf.st_mode & (S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IRWXO)) &
	(S_IXUSR | S_IXGRP | S_IXOTH);
}

CE_ATTRIBUTE get_default(CE_ATTRIBUTE* attr, char* str)
{
    CE_ENTRY default_ent;

    if (!*attr) {
	if (!(default_ent = ce_get_entry(t_name_space,1,str))) {
	    fprintf (stderr, "No default-app entry in type Namespace \n");
	    return 0;
	}
	*attr = ce_get_attribute(t_name_space, default_ent, tns_attr);
    }
    return *attr;
}

main(argc, argv)
    int argc;
    char *argv[];
{
    int  fd;
    int  verbose = 0;
    int  n;
    char *filename;
    char buf[1024];
    char cmd[1024];
    char *ptr;
    int  bufsize, status;
    int  dryrun = 0;
    int  destructive = 0;
    int  typeonly = 0;
    
    /*
     * Initialize the Classing Engine
     */
    default_open = 0;
    default_run = 0;
    status = ce_begin (NULL);
    if (status)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Error initializing Classing Engine Database - Error no: %d.\n", status);
	exit (0);
    }
    
    /* Read in Namespace Entries */
    f_name_space = ce_get_namespace_id ("Files");
    if (!f_name_space)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find File Namespace\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    t_name_space = ce_get_namespace_id ("Types");
    if (!t_name_space)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find Types namespace\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    /*
     * Get the attribute ID's that we're interested in
     */
    fns_attr = ce_get_attribute_id (f_name_space, "FNS_TYPE");
    
    if (!fns_attr)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find FNS_ATTR in Files\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    tns_attr = ce_get_attribute_id (t_name_space, "TYPE_OPEN");
    
    if (!tns_attr)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find TYPE_OPEN in Types\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    /*  
     * Start loop to read in filenames and type them
     */
    
    for (n=1; n < argc; n++) {
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-v")) {
	    verbose = !verbose;
	    continue;
	}
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-d")) {
	    destructive = !destructive;
	    continue;
	}
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-dryrun")) {
	    dryrun = !dryrun;
	    continue;
	}

	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-type")) {
	    typeonly = !typeonly;
	    continue;
	}
	
	filename = argv[n];
	
	if ((fd = open (filename, 0)) == -1) {
	    fprintf(stderr, "Cannot open: %s\n", filename);
	    continue;
	}
	
	bufsize = read (fd, buf, sizeof (buf));
	if (bufsize <= 0) {
	    fprintf(stderr, "Empty file or Directory: %s\n", filename);
	    close (fd);
	    continue;
	}
	
	/* Get a matching entry in the files namespace */
	tns_open = 0;
	fns_type = 0;
	
	if (ftype_ent = ce_get_entry (f_name_space, 3, filename, buf, bufsize))
	    fns_type = ce_get_attribute (f_name_space, ftype_ent, fns_attr);

	/* If all we want is the type, put it out */
	if (typeonly) {
	    if (!fns_type) {
		if (executable(fd))
		    printf("default-app");
		else
		    printf("default");
	    } else {
		printf((char*)fns_type);
	    }
	    continue;
	}
        
	if (!(fns_type &&
	      (ttype_ent = ce_get_entry (t_name_space, 1, fns_type)) 		&&
	      (tns_open = ce_get_attribute (t_name_space, ttype_ent, tns_attr)))) {

	    if (executable(fd))
		tns_open = get_default(&default_run, "default-app");
	    else
		tns_open = get_default(&default_open, "default");
	    if (!tns_open)
		continue;
	}
	
	if (!tns_open)	{
	    fprintf (stderr, "No TYPE_OPEN in Types namespace for %s\n",filename);
	    continue;
	}
/* I had a bug report from MATS LIDELL that when he tried to use this
 * one an attachment for openFrame, it ended up with an error message
 * unable to open /tmp/attach/'filename' (quotes in there).  I don't know
 * what the problem was.  The reason the quotes are there is to allow
 * filenames that have spaces in them.  If you don't need this, but are
 * having the quote problem, then #define NOQUOTE */
	strcpy(buf, tns_open);
	while (ptr = strstr(buf,"$FILE")) 
#ifndef NOQUOTE
	    memcpy(ptr,"'%1s'",5);
#else
            memcpy(ptr,"%001s",5);
#endif
	
	sprintf(cmd, buf, filename, filename, filename, 
		filename, filename);
	
	if (verbose)
	    printf("%s\n",cmd);
	
	if (!dryrun) {
	    switch (fork()) {
		/* child process */
	    case 0:
		{
		    system(cmd); 
		    if (destructive)
			unlink(filename);
		    exit(1);
		}
	    case -1: 
		{
		    perror(NULL);
		    fprintf(stderr,"Unable to fork\n");
		    break;
		}
	    default: /* forked OK */
		break;
	    }
	}
    }
    
    ce_end();
    exit(0);
}



----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: t
X-Sun-Data-Description: t
X-Sun-Data-Name: Makefile
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 15

LDFLAGS = -L${OPENWINHOME}/lib
CPPFLAGS = -I${OPENWINHOME}/include
LDLIBS = -lce -ldl
debug := CFLAGS = -g
CC = cc

all:   runfile
debug:  all

DST = ../../bin/runfile

${DST} : runfile
	cp runfile ${DST}

install: all ${DST}


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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Gnudoit with _GNU_ Emacs
Date: 25 Oct 1996 06:51:52 -0700
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Did someone recently post a message saying they had managed to get gnudoit
and the gnuserv system to work with GNU Emacs? I'm pretty sure that is what was
said but I've lost the message.

If this is the case can you please tell me how you did it. I've downloaded and
compiled the code but the gnuserv server always rejects connections from
gnudoit.
Is there anything special that needs to be done to get gnuserv to work 
properley with GNU Emacs, since its designed for Xemacs.
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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Detecting _earliest_ change in a file
Date: 25 Oct 1996 06:58:27 -0700
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I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made in a text file that
is being edited by Emacs.

That is to say, as soon as the user edits the file (the 2 stars appear in the
modeline) I need some way of determining which character this occured at.
Furthermore, if they subsequently edit earlier in the file I need to know
about it and update the earliest change accordingly.

Is there an Emacs function capable of doing this? Or am I going to have to
trap (each!) keypress event and check its position? In which case whereabouts
should I be looking - where are the hooks?

Or does emacs keep the info on the earliest change somewhere handy?

Any help apprechiated thanks.

(if anyone suggests I use diff, well done, thats emergency backup plan)
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Subject: Re: Gnudoit with _GNU_ Emacs
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%% Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk> writes:

  at> Did someone recently post a message saying they had managed to get
  at> gnudoit and the gnuserv system to work with GNU Emacs? I'm pretty
  at> sure that is what was said but I've lost the message.

Yep, I've been using it for a couple years now with Emacs.

  at> If this is the case can you please tell me how you did it. I've
  at> downloaded and compiled the code but the gnuserv server always
  at> rejects connections from gnudoit.

You have the latest, right?  gnuserv 2.1alpha?

Does gnuclient work?  Is your server still running (you didn't get a
message about "server exiting" or anything, did you--look in your
*Messages* buffer)?

If so, probably the issue is with gnuserv's more advanced security
and/or the way you compiled it.  See the relevant sections of the
gnuserv man page (SYSV IPC, UNIX-DOMAIN SOCKETS, INTERNET-DOMAIN
SOCKETS, and SECURITY).  Once you know how you compiled it, you should
be able to work out what kind of security issues you might have.

  at> Is there anything special that needs to be done to get gnuserv to
  at> work properley with GNU Emacs, since its designed for Xemacs.

That's absolutely not true.

The XEmacs people are bundling it, while Emacs is still bundling the
original, but it was written for Emacs not XEmacs.

The XEmacs and Emacs interfaces on this level, however, are the same
(AFAIK, I don't have XEmacs handy).

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When I compose mail, insert a file with mh-mhn-compose-insertion,
run mh-edit-mhn, and thef run mh-send-letter, I get an error about
not finding "^--------". I've been sticking this in by hand in various
places. Any ideas about how to fix this?

Possibly related: I've noticed that tm (or mh (or mh-e)) does not
recognize my multipart messages as multipart messages. I've compared
it to a test multipart message from paf@bunyip.com, which is
recognized as multipart, and I haven't found any substantial
difference in the headers. For example, I will compose a message like
this:

1. type words
2. type C-cC-mC-i blah blah application/octet-stream bla blah
3. type C-cC-e
4. type --------^J in one of two places: before Content-Type: or before the
   first blank line (within Content-Type: multipart/mixed...)
5. type C-cC-c

If I send this to myself tm seems to think this is a plain text file. It
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What's the deal?




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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:
> Darren> Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
> Darren> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

For some reason, the original article never arrived at my
newsserver. Could you please tell me, where to get dde.el?


Markus

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emacs

Bruce Sams (sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de) wrote:
: Hello, 

: I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
: with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
: the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
: using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
: has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them 
: all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
: the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
: fixed.  

: Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
: manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
: connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
: is a cross-group posting.

: Thanks,

: BRuce Sams


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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
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Brett Johnson wrote:
> 
> Darren Toler wrote:
> >
> > Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> >
> > I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> >
> > I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> > Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> > debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> > to make it dbx compatible.
> >
> > Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> > setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> > have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?
> 
> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el will integrate dde into emacs, but I'm
> not sure if it works with XEmacs or not.
> 

Nope.  As it says, it works with GNU emacs 18 ONLY. Maybe someone out
there has an Xemacs 19.14 converted version? Or maybe someone wants to
convert it? I have tried, but I couldn't get it to work right. I need to
learn more elisp!  It is written from the gdb.el package.

Darren
darren.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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>>>>> "mtennes" == mtennes  <mtennes@ford.com> writes:

mtennes> I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my
mtennes> college showed me how his GNU emacs dired would display
mtennes> directories in one color and links in another. Is there a way
mtennes> to do this in Xemacs?

XEmacs does this too.  Take a look at dired-xemacs-highlight.el.

I use the following in .emacs:

(if (and running-xemacs
         (console-on-window-system-p))
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)

mtennes> Also, is there a avoid.el that works with Xemacs on a SunOS
mtennes> 4.1.4 machine?

No.
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Hello,

We are in the process of migrating from HP-UX 9.x to HP-UX 10.20.
I downloaded xemacs-19.14 (the source).  After reading the README,
INSTALL, etc/MACHINES and other documents, I invoked "./configure"
It went ahead and started trying to determine stuff.  It died with
the error "configure: can not determine size of short."  I then
tried to invoke it with an actual configuration:

  ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux

The same error appeared.  I also tried the shared version

  ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux9shr

Same error.

I find it kind of amusing that it cannot determine the size of one
of the basic units of the OS.

I am doing this on a HP-UX 9000/777 (a C110) running HP-UX 10.20.
I have the ANSI C and C++ compilers installed:

  /opt/ansic/bin/cc:
                LINT A.10.32.03 CXREF  A.10.32.03
          HP92453-01 A.10.32.03 HP C Compiler
           /usr/lib/libc: $Revision: 76.3 $

  /opt/CC/bin/CC:
          HP C++ HPCPLUSPLUS  A.10.22


I don't read any of the emacs news groups or mailing lists.  When
this issue gets resolved, would someone please let me know?

Thanks in advance.

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>>>>> "mtennes" == mtennes  <mtennes@ford.com> writes:

mtennes> I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my college
mtennes> showed me how his GNU emacs dired would display directories in one
mtennes> color and links in another. Is there a way to do this in Xemacs?

  In your ~/.emacs, put:

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)


  To change the default colors, that don't work very well on a dark
  background, also put something like:

(defvar in-color-x11 (and (equal (device-type) 'x)
			  (equal (device-class) 'color)))

(cond 
 (in-color-x11
  (setq after-load-alist
	(append after-load-alist
		'(("dired-xemacs-highlight"
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "OrangeRed1")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-setuid "orange")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "plum1")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-symlink "moccasin")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-executable "cyan")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-directory "yellow")))
		))))

  -- HM

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In article <kigpw27clje.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic
<hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:

>Mike Harrelson (harrelson@reticular.com) wrote:
>> I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
>> know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.
>
>Use prefix/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-start.el
>
>where prefix is the prefix to which XEmacs is installed, usually
>/usr/local.
>
>-- 
>Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
>--------------------------------+--------------------------------
>* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
>* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.


A naive ELisp question.... anyone care to show a fragment of Lisp
code for placement in site-startl.el that would check if the user
has an existing .emacs (or .xemacs) file and load a system.xemacs
file iff there is no existing .emacs/.xemacs file???

My Lisp skills extend to modifying the nicely documented Lisp
already in Xemacs ^_^ only.

Thanks,
Steve

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>>>>> Andrew Thompson writes:

  Andrew> I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made
  Andrew> in a text file that is being edited by Emacs.

The hook that gets run when the first change to a file occurs is --
Suprise! -- first-change-hook.

,-----
| first-change-hook's value is nil		     
| 						       
| Documentation:					     
| A list of functions to call before changing a buffer which is unmodified.
| The functions are run using the `run-hooks' function.
`-----

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Steve Franks (franks@cpsc.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
> A naive ELisp question.... anyone care to show a fragment of Lisp
> code for placement in site-startl.el that would check if the user
> has an existing .emacs (or .xemacs) file and load a system.xemacs
> file iff there is no existing .emacs/.xemacs file???

This seems pretty non-emacsian.  The purpose of the site-start file is
to set the system defaults sane for the given system.  Any user will
override them easily in his/her .emacs file.

If you really want such a thing, you can do:
(when (file-exists-p "~/.emacs")
  ;; your code here
  )

Your code may include (load "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/system.emacs")

But AFAIK that's the wrong thing to do.

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* Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
| I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made in a text file
| that is being edited by Emacs.
| 
| That is to say, as soon as the user edits the file (the 2 stars appear in
| the modeline) I need some way of determining which character this occured
| at.  Furthermore, if they subsequently edit earlier in the file I need to
| know about it and update the earliest change accordingly.
| 
| Is there an Emacs function capable of doing this? Or am I going to have
| to trap (each!) keypress event and check its position? In which case
| whereabouts should I be looking - where are the hooks?
| 
| Or does emacs keep the info on the earliest change somewhere handy?
| 
| Any help apprechiated thanks.

you can keep track of all changes by running code in
`after-change-functions' or `before-change-functions', which see.

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>>>>> "Ganesh" == Ganesh Kumar <gakumar@ichips.intel.com> writes:

Ganesh> Hi,

Ganesh> 'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from
Ganesh> the one in Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

Ganesh> 		(require 'keypad)

Ganesh> however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the
Ganesh> distribution. Can someone mail/point this file to me...thanks.

An inquiry about edt.el, cool.  Edt.el in XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 is
broken and possibly never worked.  Your best bet is to port edt.el
from the latest GNU Emacs, or wait until 19.15 is released -- it will
contain a (tested) edt.el ported from GNU Emacs 19.34.
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I am having some trouble with info.

I cannot figure out how to override the default info directory.
And how to make it merge info dirs.

Can anyone help?

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	If it's too much of a pain to change it, then how do I get rid of
it completely?  I really want the 3rd mouse button to function like it
used to in regular old emacs, double clicking it cuts the selected text.
I edited my .emacs file to let me do that in other files but C++ mode
seems to override that.  BTW, I'm using version 19.14 and it crashes once
in a while whenever I try to open new files, or save files.  Is there a
patch or something?
							Thanks,
							Stan Kwong

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>>>>> "Dean" == Dean G A Johnson <dean@netaxs.com> writes:

Dean I am having some trouble with info.

Dean I cannot figure out how to override the default info directory.
Dean And how to make it merge info dirs.

Dean Can anyone help?

(setq NDS::local-info-dir "<top-level-dir-of-your-info-files>")

(if (file-accessible-directory-p NDS::local-info-dir)
    (let (ldir)
      (setq ldir (concat NDS::local-info-dir "localdir"))
      (if (file-exists-p ldir)
	  (setq Info-directory-list
		(append Info-default-directory-list (list NDS::local-info-dir))))))


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It seems that you can't use dired-xemacs-highlight if you've
installed the ACME-lib package. The normal lisp/dired directory
is removed from load-path and is replaced by site-lisp/efs/
which does not contain dired-xemacs-highligh.

Anyone knows why??


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From: balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu (Donald Ball)
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Subject: Problems compiling xemacs-19.14 on Sparc Solaris 2.5.1
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I'm having trouble compiling xemacs-19.14 on a Sparc Solaris 2.5.1
(SparcStation 10 in case you care) using gcc-2.7.2.1. I'm not using
openwin but have instead installed X11R6.1 in /usr/local/X11R6.1. The
problem is in the last stage of making in which it loads a buncha stuff,
dumps under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-Xemacs, reports a bunch of usage
statistics, some impurities, and then gives me: 

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: 
relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in 
../dynodump/dynodump.so
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'

I get the same thing whether I use Sun's ld or GNU's ld. I looked in the
dynodump directory, read the little README and tried out the sample
program described therein. Works like a champ. Xemacs, however, doesn't.
I've got an amazingly large amount of swap space available (750m) and a
fair chunk of real memory (200m) so I don't think that's the problem.
PROBLEMS file reports nothing like this. Help!?! 

- donald

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From: Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
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Subject: Re: iso-acc.el for XEmacs
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Martin Buchholz writes:

> I'd like to include iso-acc.el in the next release of XEmacs.  Is the
> version posted in the recent referenced article on comp.emacs.xemacs
> the best one to use, or is an `official' release that supports XEmacs
> forthcoming from Johan?

I've attached  to this message an  iso-acc.el based on the most recent
iso-acc.el, available in GNU Emacs 19.34.

The function iso-generate-char, as defined for XEmacs, uses a hack for
generating    128-255     characters:    a  pseudo-key     is  created
([quoted-insert-for-iso-acc])  and mapped to  quoted-insert, and, when
iso-acc needs to generate a character in this range, it adds the octal
representation  of the character   to   the event-queue and  maps  the
current key to [quoted-insert-for-iso-acc]; I could not find a cleaner
way to achieve this. 

If anyone knows how to do that, please tell  me.  Other hacks I tried,
such   as  returning the  function  'quoted-insert  instead  of a key,
crashed XEmacs  19.14 (although they worked fine  on GNU Emacs 19.34).
Returning the character  itself, as done  in GNU Emacs, does not work,
because the character is interpreted as a meta-key.

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
mailto:oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
Universidade Estadual de Campinas, SP, Brasil


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;;; iso-acc.el --- minor mode providing electric accent keys

;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Adapted for XEmacs 19.14 by Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
;; Last update: Oct 10, 1996

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode in which
;; typewriter "dead keys" are emulated.  The purpose of this emulation
;; is to provide a simple means for inserting accented characters
;; according to the ISO-8859-1 character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characters are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;   ,  (cedilla)   -> cedilla under the character (except on default mode).
;;		  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + space -> pseudo-accent (except for comma)
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; add a language to `iso-languages' which specifies the accent characters
;; that you want, then select the language with `iso-accents-customize'.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

;; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14
(if (fboundp 'read-event) ()
  (defun read-event () (event-key (next-command-event))))

;; needed to work on GNU Emacs (had to use this function on XEmacs)
(if (fboundp 'character-to-event) ()
  (defun character-to-event (ch &optional event console meta) ch))

;; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.30
(if (fboundp 'this-single-command-keys) ()
  (if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
      (defun this-single-command-keys ()
	(setq this-command (not (this-command-keys)))
	(this-command-keys))
    (defun this-single-command-keys () (this-command-keys))))

(if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
    (progn
      (global-set-key [quoted-insert-for-iso-acc] 'quoted-insert)
      (defun iso-generate-char (char)
	"inserts the octal representation of char into unread-command-events,\nand then returns the pseudo-key quoted-insert-for-iso-acc (which should be mapped to quoted-insert).\n\nCan be used in keymaps to generate characters from 128 to 255."
	(setq unread-command-events
	      (append
	       (mapcar 'character-to-event (list
					    (+ 48 (/ char 64))
					    (+ 48 (% (/ char 8) 8))
					    (+ 48 (% char 8))))
	       unread-command-events))
	[quoted-insert-for-iso-acc])
      )
  (defun iso-generate-char (char)
    "Just returns a vector with the given character.\n\nNot necessary in the GNU Emacs implementation"
    (vector char))
  )


(defvar iso-languages
  '(("portuguese"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352)
	 (?o . ?\364) (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("irish"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)
	 (?\  . ?') (space . ?')))
    
    ("french"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("latin-2"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?C . ?\306) (?D . ?\320) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315)
	 (?L . ?\305) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\323) (?R . ?\300) (?S . ?\246)
	 (?U . ?\332) (?Y . ?\335) (?Z . ?\254) (?a . ?\341) (?c . ?\346)
	 (?d . ?\360) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?l . ?\345) (?n . ?\361)
	 (?o . ?\363) (?r . ?\340) (?s . ?\266) (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375)
	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\241) (?C . ?\307) (?E . ?\312) (?L . ?\243) (?S . ?\252)
	 (?T . ?\336) (?Z . ?\257) (?a . ?\261) (?l . ?\263) (?c . ?\347)
	 (?e . ?\352) (?s . ?\272) (?t . ?\376) (?z . ?\277) (?` . ?\252)
	 (?. . ?\377) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?o . ?\364)
	 (?^ . ?^)			; no special code?
	 (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334) (?a . ?\344)
	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250)
	  (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\310) (?D . ?\317) (?L . ?\245) (?N . ?\322)
	  (?O . ?\325) (?R . ?\330) (?S . ?\251) (?T . ?\253) (?U . ?\333)
	  (?Z . ?\256) (?a . ?\323) (?c . ?\350) (?d . ?\357) (?l . ?\265)
	  (?n . ?\362) (?o . ?\365) (?r . ?\370) (?s . ?\271) (?t . ?\273)
	  (?u . ?\373) (?z . ?\276)
	  (?v . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\~ . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\. . ?\270)			; cedilla accent
	  (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~)))

    ("latin-1"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?Y . ?\335) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?I . ?\314) (?O . ?\322) (?U . ?\331)
	 (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?i . ?\354) (?o . ?\362) (?u . ?\371)
	 (?` . ?`) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?^ . ?^) (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?I . ?\317) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334)
	  (?a . ?\344) (?e . ?\353) (?i . ?\357) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337)
	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\307) (?D . ?\320) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\325)
	  (?T . ?\336) (?a . ?\343) (?c . ?\347) (?d . ?\360) (?n . ?\361)
	  (?o . ?\365) (?t . ?\376) (?> . ?\273) (?< . ?\253) (?\~ . ?\270)
	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277)
	  (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?\/ (?A . ?\305) (?E . ?\306) (?O . ?\330) (?a . ?\345) (?e . ?\346)
	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260) (?\  . ?\/) (space . ?\/))))
  "List of language-specific customizations for the ISO Accents mode.

Each element of the list is of the form

    (LANGUAGE
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     ...)

LANGUAGE is a string naming the language.
PSEUDO-ACCENT is a char specifying an accent key.
MAPPINGS are cons cells of the form (CHAR . ISO-CHAR).

The net effect is that the key sequence PSEUDO-ACCENT CHAR is mapped
to ISO-CHAR on input.")

(defvar iso-language nil
  "Language for which ISO Accents mode is currently customized.
Change it with the `iso-accents-customize' function.")

(defvar iso-accents-list nil
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations, for the chosen language.")

(defvar iso-accents-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See the function `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-mode)

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  If you set this variable to a list in which some of those
characters are missing, the missing ones do not act as accents.

Note that if you specify a language with `iso-accents-customize',
that can also turn off certain prefixes (whichever ones are not needed in
the language you choose).")

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if (and iso-accents-mode
	   (memq last-input-char iso-accents-enable))
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
	 (list (assq first-char iso-accents-list))
	 ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
	 (second-char (if (or prompt
			      (not (eq (key-binding "a")
				       'self-insert-command))
			      ;; Not at start of a key sequence.
			      (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
			      ;; Called from anything but the command loop.
			      this-command)
			  (progn
			    (message "%s%c"
				     (or prompt "Compose with ")
				     first-char)
			    (read-event))
			(insert first-char)
			(prog1 (read-event)
			  (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
	 (entry (cdr (assq second-char list))))
    (if entry
	;; Found it: return the mapped char
	(iso-generate-char entry)
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list (character-to-event second-char)))
      (vector first-char))))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;;	   (append minor-mode-alist
;; 		  '((iso-accents-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

You can customize ISO Accents mode to a particular language
with the command `iso-accents-customize'.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives an Icelandic eth (d with dash).
~t gives an Icelandic thorn.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemots.
~! gives an inverted exclamation mark.
~? gives an inverted question mark.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-mode t)))

(defun iso-accents-customize (language)
  "Customize the ISO accents machinery for a particular language.
It selects the customization based on the specifications in the
`iso-languages' variable."
  (interactive (list (completing-read "Language: " iso-languages nil t)))
  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages)) tail)
    (if (not table)
	(error "Unknown language '%s'" language)
      (setq iso-language language
	    iso-accents-list (cdr table))
      (if key-translation-map
	  (substitute-key-definition
	   'iso-accents-accent-key nil key-translation-map)
	(setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
      ;; Set up translations for all the characters that are used as
      ;; accent prefixes in this language.
      (setq tail iso-accents-list)
      (while tail
	(define-key key-translation-map (vector (car (car tail)))
	  'iso-accents-accent-key)
	(setq tail (cdr tail))))))

(defun iso-accentuate (start end)
  "Convert two-character sequences in region into accented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the same conversion that ISO Accents mode uses for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (forward-char 1)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (memq (preceding-char) iso-accents-enable)
		   (setq entry (cdr (assq (following-char) (assq (preceding-char) iso-accents-list)))))
	      (progn
		(forward-char -1)
		(delete-char 2)
		(insert entry)
		(setq end (1- end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-accent-rassoc-unit (value alist)
  (let (elt acc)
    (while (and alist (not elt))
      (setq acc (car (car alist))
	    elt (car (rassq value (cdr (car alist))))
	    alist (cdr alist)))
    (if elt
	(cons acc elt))))

(defun iso-unaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into two-character sequences.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the opposite of the conversion done by ISO Accents mode for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (car entry) (cdr entry))
		(setq end (1+ end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-deaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into unaccented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (cdr entry)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

;; Set up the default settings.
(iso-accents-customize "latin-1")

;; Use Iso-Accents mode in the minibuffer
;; if it was in use in the previous buffer.
(defun iso-acc-minibuf-setup ()
  (setq iso-accents-mode
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer (window-buffer minibuffer-scroll-window))
	  iso-accents-mode)))

(add-hook 'minibuf-setup-hook 'iso-acc-minibuf-setup)

;;; iso-acc.el ends here

--Multipart_Fri_Oct_25_15:11:24_1996-1--

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: help: xemacs and images
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 22:54:30 -0800
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Shlomo Mahlab wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scroling images. When I get a mime
> message with an image which is larger then the emacs window, I can
> only view the top part of it. Trying to scroll the window down
> results in the comolete disapearence of the image.
> I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on HPUX 9.05.
> Any help?

 How did you get it to display images in the first place?  I tried tm,
and couldn't figure out how.

--
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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
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Subject: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 12:51:43 -0500
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I currently set my time zone in my .emacs file like this:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST=4")

This works for Daylight Savings Time, but now that we're off of that,
the time on the modeline is wrong (still in DST). To fix it, I changed
my .emacs to look like this:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST=5")

Is there a more automatic way of doing this?

TIA,
Steve

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Subject: dired highlight
Date: 28 Oct 1996 22:00:51 +0100
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I'm lost.

I really like to have dired highlighting, but if I put

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)

in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
highlighting happens.

However, if I put

(load "dired-xemacs-highlight")

I do get highlighting. What gives?

-- 
rick  

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From: George Zabetakis <george@triteal.com>
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Subject: help: VM and bcc
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:07:52 -0500
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Hello,
	I have looked on the xemacs home page and at the faq, and I
cannot find a resolution to my problem of not being able to use bcc.
It appears in my mail message, but once I send a message
I never get the blind copy of the
message.  I use this feature for filing my outgoing messages.  It works
much better than an outgoing mailbox.  It used to work fine in 19.13.
Any ideas and/or help would be appreciated.

TIA,

-- 
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I have a problem with the SparcWorks EOS and xemacs 19.14.
I can fire up the debugger and use all of the toolbar buttons
for the debugger in the xemacs window except for the "p=" and
"p=*" buttons.  They are supposed to pop-up a new frame with
the data displayed but I don't get any new frame.  I an using
the precompiled binary with the EOS stuff compiled in.  Any
suggestions?

Thanks.

-- Kevin

_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
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From: Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 17:01:54 -0700
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Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

> ;;;; Get the time zone right
> (setenv "TZ" "EST=5")

> Is there a more automatic way of doing this?

Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?

-- 
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From: arouse@momotombo.austin.ibm.com
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Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 18:04:37 -0600
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a reading from the book of Emacs
 Info file: xemacs.info,  Node: Daylight Savings

 
...
   These variables are `calendar-daylight-savings-starts' and
`calendar-daylight-savings-ends'.  Their values should be Lisp
expressions that refer to the variable `year', and evaluate to the
Gregorian date on which daylight savings time starts or (respectively)
ends, in the form of a list `(MONTH DAY YEAR)'.  The values should be
`nil' if your area does not use daylight savings time.

   Emacs uses these expressions to determine the starting date of
daylight savings time for the holiday list and for correcting times of
day in the solar and lunar calculations.

   The values for Cambridge, Massachusetts are as follows:

     (calendar-nth-named-day 1 0 4 year)
     (calendar-nth-named-day -1 0 10 year)

i.e. the first 0th day (Sunday) of the fourth month (April) in the year
specified by `year', and the last Sunday of the tenth month (October)
of that year.  If daylight savings time were changed to start on
October 1, you would set `calendar-daylight-savings-starts' to this:

     (list 10 1 year)
...

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From: lincoln@hutchtel.net (Snoopy & Sailor)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:08:58 -0600
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Check it out
http://free.websight.com/Benton

-- 
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From: depristo@nwu.edu (Mark Andrew DePristo)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: inferior-lisp-program
Date: 29 Oct 1996 02:48:11 GMT
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How do I configure XEmacs to use clisp as the inferior-lisp-program?
(setq inferior-lisp-program "clisp") doesn't work.


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Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:

> 
> Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> 
> > ;;;; Get the time zone right
> > (setenv "TZ" "EST=5")
> 
> > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> 
> Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> 
Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
savings time and such and nothing complains.

-- 
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Hi All-

I've recently been learning about using remailers for anonymous email
and news with XEmacs and Mailcrypt, and most things seem to work for
me just fine, but I've been unsuccessful at making the response blocks
work.  I set myself up to be able to use mixmaster remailers if I want
to, but I understand that one cannot do response blocks through
mixmaster remailers, so I tried Type 1 remailers for that.  I also
tried response blocks through Type 2 remailers since the Mailcrypt
info page explains that the mix property of a remailer will be ignored
if you generate a response block.  Anyway, nothing works for
successfully replying to one of the anonymous mail messages that I
send myself.

Here's what I've tried:

First, I compose a message to myself, say C-c / p to use a pseudonym,
then say C-c / b to add a response block, then say C-c / r to encrypt
for remailing, and send it off.

I get the mail, and there is indeed no evidence that it came from me,
but now I'd like to reply to this anonymous email sender (me) without
knowing who he is, and still getting email to his inbox which is
supposedly contained in the response block.

So, I follow the instructions contained in the message for replying,
but I never get the response.  Can anyone offer me some pointers on
why this is failing to work like I think it should?

Please email in addition to posting any replies.  Thanks!

-- 

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Hi,

Very simple question, but I do not know
howto to do it ... ;)

Ok, say I have a couple of frames, or buffers
for that matter, and I do a query-replace
M-%, in one of the buffers, I'd like to
visit the other frame/buffer and do the same
replace ... what's the shortcut for this?
I looked at repeat-complex-command, but that's
not it.

What's the equivalent of vi's '.' command
to redo the last command made?

TIA,

	Rob -

CC: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au pleaz ;)





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Me wrote:
> 
> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
> makes my current buffer called *.c
> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
> (running 19.14 on a linux box)
> 
> Jeff

I think that your emacs must have something loaded that
redefines C-x C-f to be something other than find-file.
I suggest you find out what code is bound to that "key" and
load the appropriate file in xemacs.(It is the only editor that I
really love, but from which I am cruelly separated by the lack
of a native NT port -- yes, I tried WinEmacs -- so will someone
please PLEASE do the port?)

--Harlan

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i have realized that xemacs 19.14 is very slow if there is one or
more buffers which contain very long lines (lines which are too long to
fit  the frame) even if this buffer(s) are not visible or active.

examples of those buffers are  compile and  gdb buffers.
 
is there a work around or will this problem be solved in 19.15 ?

bodo

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>>>>> "Kendrick" == Kendrick Vargas <kvarga01@fiu.edu> writes:

    Kendrick> On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
    >> My apologies for posting this directly to mailing list, but I
    >> have problems with unsubscribing from this mailing list. I
    >> tried to send message to xemacs-request@xemacs.org (as
    >> described in FAQ) with command 'unsubscribe' several times last
    >> two weeks, but I'm still receiving mail from list. All
    >> suggestions or help are welcome.

    Kendrick> that makes two of us. I am not a newbie when it comes to
    Kendrick> lists... and I understand when there is a lack of
    Kendrick> interest in helping newbies unsubscribe, but I have
    Kendrick> tried everything I could think of and the volume of mail
    Kendrick> that goes through this list is too much for me to deal
    Kendrick> with. I do not want to have to resort to spamming with
    Kendrick> 500k attachments until someone looks up to get me
    Kendrick> off. but, if this becomes my only course of action, I'll
    Kendrick> take it.  -peace

I'm not sure but I think Chuck runs this list by hand, and I think he
has been away for 2 weeks. (cos there has been no change to the state
of the 19.15 betas for this time). So I think you'll just have to
wait.

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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?


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I'm using xemacs with LaTeX (AUC TeX) mode. When I start xdvi from the
'view' command, the current xemacs-window is split horizontally, one
of the halfs showing warnings from 'gs' (ghostscript!?) in a so-called
*Tex background* buffer.

How can I avoid this behavior, ie how can the *Tex background* buffer
be suppressed from jumping into the foreground?


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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Very simple question, but I do not know
> howto to do it ... ;)
> 

What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
third one back ). 

HTH,
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From: des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott)
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Hello,

I'd like to use TM (v7.87) with VM to PGP-encrypt/sign a message and
send it with a MIME type of "application/x-pgp-message".

Now the MIME-Edit menu item on the *VM-mail* frame has an function named
"Enclose as encrypted", which sounds about right. However, if I select
a region in the buffer and use this function, I get the message "Please
specify encrypting type".

What does this mean?

-- 
Des Herriott
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-solaris2.4) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on vivid

Weird bug editing a particular file... (i.e. xemacs crashes only with this
file...)

When I call:
xemacs latex2html
I get a core dump.

here is a truss trace:

mmap(0x00000000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x803FE000
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x0804663C) = 0
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x080465E0) = 0
mmap(0x00000000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x80400000
getcontext(0x08046870)
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x08042028) = 0
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x08041EFC) = 0
open("/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", O_RDONLY) = 12
lseek(12, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
brk(0x08510000)                                 = 0
read(12, " # ! / u s r / l o c a l".., 65536)   = 65536
read(12, " e w _ c m d _ r x ,   &".., 65536)   = 65536
    Incurred fault #6, FLTBOUNDS  %pc = 0x69746172
      siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x69746172
    Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [caught]
      siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x69746172
sigaction(SIGSEGV, 0x0803DC00, 0x082635C8)      = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0x0803DC54, 0x00000000) = 0
ioctl(6, I_SETSIG, IGSEGV)                      = 0
ioctl(6, I_FIND, "sockmod")                     = 0
ioctl(6, FIOSETOWN, 0x0803DBEC)                 Err#22 EINVAL
 
Fatal error (write(2, "\n F a t a l   e r r o r".., 14) = 14
11).write(2, " 1 1 ) .", 4)                             = 4
 
write(2, "\n", 1)                               = 1
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.
Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type
 
  gdb write(2, " Y o u r   f i l e s   h".., 475)       = 475
/opt/gnu/bin/write(2, " / o p t / g n u / b i n".., 13) = 13
xemacswrite(2, " x e m a c s", 6)                       = 6
 core
 
then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
write(2, "   c o r e\n\n t h e n  ".., 241)     = 241
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x0803DB78, 0x082635C8)      = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x0803DB78, 0x082635C8)      = 0
close(11)                                       = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x00000000, 0x0803DAD4)      = 0
write(9, "80\0\0 t ' q  93\0\0\0\0".., 120)     = 120
poll(0x083D1000, 1, 1000000000)                 = 1
getmsg(9, 0x0803D850, 0x0803D844, 0x0803D8C0)   = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x00000000, 0x0803DA88)      = 0
write(9, "80\0\0 t & q  93\0\0\0\0".., 120)     = 120
poll(0x083D1000, 1, 1000000000)                 = 1
getmsg(9, 0x0803D804, 0x0803D7F8, 0x0803D874)   = 0
close(10)                                       = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DB00, 0x0803DAF0) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAF0, 0x0803DAD0) = 0
close(11)                                       Err#9 EBADF
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DB00, 0x0803DAF0) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAF0, 0x0803DAD0) = 0
write(8, " %\001\0", 4)                         = 4
write(8, " <\002\0\0\0 @05 +\001\0", 12)        = 12
read(8, "0101\v\0\0\0\0\08C\0C003".., 32)       = 32
close(8)                                        = 0
close(9)                                        = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAAC, 0x0803DA9C) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DA9C, 0x0803DA7C) = 0
uname(0x0803D6E0)                               = 1
getpid()                                        = 3275 [3274]
kill(3275, SIGSEGV)                             = 0
    Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [default]
      siginfo: SIGSEGV pid=3275 uid=1001
        *** process killed ***
14.32u 10.66s 1:26.05 29.0%



Here is the core stack

gdb /opt/gnu/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.15.1 (i386-unknown-solaris2.4), 
Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
 
warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs latex2html-96.1/latex2html'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/dt/lib/libXm.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_files.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
#0  0x803bcff8 in _kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x803bcff8 in _kill ()
#1  0x809ba08 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x4 in ?? ()
#4  0xffffffff in shadow_ops ()
#5  0x24203d20 in Qoverwrite_mode_binary ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x65736f6c.
(gdb)


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From: "Kevin S. Ford" <ksford@nps.navy.mil>
Subject: 19.14 menubar button faces have no color
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Hi All-

I've recently upgraded from 19.13. to 19.14 and the menubar buttons in
19.14 are plain black & white which is undesirable to me.  When I was
using 19.13, they were nice attractive colors, and I can't seem to
figure out how to make them the same in 19.14.  I have both versions
installed, and 19.13 still has nicely colored menubar buttons, but
19.14 does not so I don't think it's in the app-defaults file.

I tried fiddling with the height of the menubar buttons in the
app-defaults file, and when I made their height about 150% of normal
height (I made the height 60), then I could see that the upper and
lower parts of this larger button were the normal color gray that I'm
used to seeing in 19.13, but that the face of the button alone was the
thing devoid of color.

Also, is there anyway to have the button faces include the text
associated with them?  This was the case with 19.13, but is no longer
in 19.14.

Other slightly strange things like the fact that some of the settings
in the app-defaults file don't seem to do what they say they should.
For example, these attributes don't do anything when I change their
colors:

! This doesn't seem to work.  ksf 10/28/96
! If you want to set the color of the mouse pointer, do this:
! Emacs.pointer*attributeForeground:    RoyalBlue

! This doesn't seem to work.  ksf 10/28/96
! If you want to set the background of the mouse pointer, do this:
! Emacs.pointer*attributeBackground:    Yellow
! Note that by default, the pointer foreground and background are the same
! as the default face.

But this attribute from my 19.13 app-defaults file does work.

! This worked in 19.13, and seems to work in 19.14 too.  ksf 10/28/96
*pointerColor:                          RoyalBlue

So that's what I'm using for now.

Any hints on why the others don't work for me?

Some details on recent changes that might help point to the problem
are that I've upgraded to ELF, and upgraded from XF86-3.1.1 to 3.1.2.

Thanks in advance, and please email in addition to posting.


-- 

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____________________________________________
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Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.edu> writes:

> 
> Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> > 
> > Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> > 
> Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
> off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
> savings time and such and nothing complains.

Well, that's the problem. My workstation reports the correct time
(xclock), but XEmacs is still in DST. (EST4DST didn't work either :/ )


I think I found the answer:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST")
(load "cal-dst") ;; or maybe (require 'cal-dst) ?

I found cal-dst.el in the lisp/calendar directory. It seems to do what
I want. If you don't hear from me next spring, then it works...;)

Thanks to all who responded,
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Subject: Re: Nice new site;  Ignore this thread.   ??? MONEY
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> Check it out
> http://free.websight.com/Benton
> 
> -- 
> :-)

Please do not post this type of stuff in this group.

1. You say nothing about the content of the site.
2. Your subject says nothing about the site contents.
3. The site has nothing to do with xemacs.

This type of post usually results in a rash of flames.  As your post
and site seem to scream newbie I will not flame but rather inform.
(I do not intend to offend with word newbie.)

Please in the future, take the time to think through your posts.
As there are millions of people on the net at any given time. Content
low posts tend to suck bandwidth and waste time.

If any one has a Net guide handy it might be time to post it again to
this group.


P.S.  For the general populace. I put extra stuff in the subject so
that people using smart news readers will auto mark this post.
Hopefully your using Gnus.


Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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Mark Daku (daku@nortel.ca) wrote:
> P.S.  For the general populace. I put extra stuff in the subject so
> that people using smart news readers will auto mark this post.
> Hopefully your using Gnus.

Uh, but it should have been a "MAKE MONEY", or something.
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)

Or, you could have put two or more `!'-s.
  ("!!" -10 nil s)

Or the subject could have been all caps.
  ("^\\(Re: *\\)?[^a-z0-9]*$" -20 nil R)

But like that -- it didn't match.  Isn't Gnus great? ;-)

-- 
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Steve Heckman writes:
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Subject: HELP: Xemacs 19.14 and Ispell
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I've got to say sorry up front because I really don't know alot about
Emacs/LISP yet...

I've managed to successfully install the pre-compiled version of 19.14
on my HP-UX box (v9.05). All seems well but when I try and start
Ispell it get a message that says something to the effect of "ispell
version 3.1.* required: try renaming ispell4.el to ispell.el"

Any ideas? I don't think I did anything odd during the install

Thanx in advance... Mike

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Has anyone got a copy of sql-mode (SYBASE) later than .922 (beta)?
I've tried to reach the author, Peter D. Pezaris, but the mail bounced.
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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: frame-properties function fails for property 'name
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
	reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
	creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
	already initially "emacs")


(frame-properties (selected-frame))
-->
(name "emacs" height 40 width 80 minibuffer #<window on " *Minibuf-0*" 0x8c7> left 277 top 1 border-width 0 internal-border-width 4 border-color "#000000000000" top-toolbar-shadow-color "#e1e1e1e1e1e1" bottom-toolbar-shadow-color "#5a5a53535757" background-toolbar-color "#bbbbbbbbbbbb" toolbar-shadow-thickness 2 inter-line-space 0 window-id "62914596" window-config-stack [undoable-stack 16 [trunc-stack (#<window-configuration 0xa0a> #<window-configuration 0xa09> #<window-configuration 0x9fe> #<window-configuration 0x9e2> #<window-configuration 0x9e1> #<window-configuration 0x9c9> #<window-configuration 0x961>) 7] [trunc-stack nil 0]])

(set-frame-property
 (selected-frame)
 'name "doodle")
--> nil

(frame-properties (selected-frame))
-->
(name "emacs" height 40 width 80 minibuffer #<window on " *Minibuf-0*" 0x8c7> left 277 top 1 border-width 0 internal-border-width 4 border-color "#000000000000" top-toolbar-shadow-color "#e1e1e1e1e1e1" bottom-toolbar-shadow-color "#5a5a53535757" background-toolbar-color "#bbbbbbbbbbbb" toolbar-shadow-thickness 2 inter-line-space 0 window-id "62914596" name "doodle" window-config-stack [undoable-stack 16 [trunc-stack (#<window-configuration 0xa0a> #<window-configuration 0xa09> #<window-configuration 0x9fe> #<window-configuration 0x9e2> #<window-configuration 0x9e1> #<window-configuration 0x9c9> #<window-configuration 0x961>) 7] [trunc-stack nil 0]])

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> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
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> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?

Some versions of my complete.el package do this.  (They understand
"*" as a wildcard during filename completion, then, as a bonus,
load multiple files if there are unresolved "*"s when you hit RET.)

Maybe you have complete.el loaded in one version of Emacs but
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								-- Dave

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From: ssjaaa@uta.fi (Jari Aalto)
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Subject: Changing frame name in XE 19.14 ?
Date: 29 Oct 1996 15:29:19 GMT
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    Hi, [CC if you can too]

    In emacs I change the frame name in following manner:

(modify-frame-parameters
  (selected-frame)
  (list (cons 'name "newFrameName")))

    What is the equivalent in XE? Using the same code does nothing
    in XE. What's the right syntax?

    Cheers!
    /jari

    
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From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
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Reply-To: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au

Hi,


Why is it that I have in my VM mail config:

      ;; Address to insert as default Reply-to field of outgoing messages
      mail-default-reply-to "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"
      vm-mail-header-from "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"

and this works fine from within VM MAIL ....

but when I send mail or post from GNUS the
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connected to the net I would clearly want to
have mail replied to an internet address.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

	Rob -


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Hello all,

	I am currently having the following problem in a 
	Sparc Ultra with GCC 2.7.2.1 and building of x-emacs 19.14.

	solaris 2.5.1

	unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/Work/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2


I'd look in the FAQ if I knew where to look.

TIA

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Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
> I'm having trouble compiling xemacs-19.14 on a Sparc Solaris 2.5.1
> (SparcStation 10 in case you care) using gcc-2.7.2.1.
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: 
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in 
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> *** Error code 1

I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem, though I only
remember one of them.  Build the dynodump directory with CC=cc, and then
the rest will link correctly with gcc.

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For my own sanity, can some one confirm that after inserting an external
file (thus creating a multipart message), and typing C-e in order to
run the file through mhn, C-cC-c doesn't work because it searches for
regexp "^--------"?


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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
> (modify-frame-parameters
>   (selected-frame)
>   (list (cons 'name "newFrameName")))
>     What is the equivalent in XE? Using the same code does nothing
>     in XE. What's the right syntax?

Why do you want to change the frame name?  In XEmacs the right way to
do it is through set-frame-property, like
(set-frame-property (selected-frame) 'modeline-shadow-thickness 10)

But the manual states that:
 name		Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
		after creation.

If you want to change the frame title only, you can do that in a much
simpler fashion by changing frame-title-format.

frame-title-format's value is "%S@jagor: %b"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Controls the title of the X window corresponding to the selected frame.
This is the same format as `modeline-format' with the exception that
%- is ignored.

-- 
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poole@ncifcrf.gov (Phil Poole) searches the Xemacs FAQ.
Youll find it at <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>

Enjoy!

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Our proxy server uses port 83, but the default port is 80. Is there a
way to change this? Any help concerning this and how to get through
fire-walls (from the inside to out) would be greatly appreciated.
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    Allen> Has anyone got a copy of sql-mode (SYBASE)
    Allen> later than .922 (beta)? I've tried to reach the
    Allen> author, Peter D. Pezaris, but the mail bounced.

Here I am.

No, there is no current release past 0.922, and I am aware
of the problems with using it with XEmacs 19.14.  The code
for 0.923 is complete, but just hasn't been released yet.
One of the changes in 0.923 is that the maintainer of the
package has a new email address: pez@dwwc.com.

Thanks,
Pez

P.S. SQL Mode 0.923 will have support for Oracle as well.

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> 
> Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.edu> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> > > 
> > > Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> > > 
> > Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
> > off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
> > savings time and such and nothing complains.
> 
> Well, that's the problem. My workstation reports the correct time
> (xclock), but XEmacs is still in DST. (EST4DST didn't work either :/ )
> 
> 
> I think I found the answer:
> 
> ;;;; Get the time zone right
> (setenv "TZ" "EST")
> (load "cal-dst") ;; or maybe (require 'cal-dst) ?
> 
> I found cal-dst.el in the lisp/calendar directory. It seems to do what
> I want. If you don't hear from me next spring, then it works...;)
> 
> Thanks to all who responded,
>

It's better to include the offset from GMT in the TZ variable (see environ(5)).
E.g. EST5EDT.  Otherwise many executable's will display the time in GMT.

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For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
to look under, for the following situation:

   If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
   I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
   do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.

Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

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> 
> What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> third one back ). 
> 

You could also consider using Keyboard Macros. Type "C-x (". Whatever
you type after that will be recorded as a macro. The end is signalled
by "C-x )". This macro can be repeated by typing C-x e. This can be
stored and named and used again.


Jayakrishnan B Nair                       Email : jk@gulf.csc.uvic.ca
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In article <374tjda9xy.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>,
Brian Edmonds  <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
>I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem, though I only
>remember one of them.  Build the dynodump directory with CC=cc, and then
>the rest will link correctly with gcc.
>

Well, if I had the SUNWspro cc, I might could do that, but I don't, so I 
can't. In any case I tested dynodump per the instructions in the dynodump 
readme and it works dandily. Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

- donald

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    Peter> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do
    Peter> this, or what "apropos" to look under, for the
    Peter> following situation:

    Peter>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the
    Peter> sentence to fix," I know there is a way to mark
    Peter> the beginning, go to the end and then do a
    Peter> keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of
    Peter> each word to Upper.

M-x capitalize-region RET

    Peter> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much
    Peter> bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

Hmm.  Have to disagree with you on that one.  Have you
tried filladapt?

-Pez

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From: Peter Leftwich <pete@cloud9.net>
To: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper [yes!]
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On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:30:43 -0500 (EST), Peter Pezaris wrote:

> M-x capitalize-region RET

	OHmigod. I was just in the middle of working the juice out of
	[M-x apropos] for "case" or "downcase" etc.  I did find these:

M-x upcase-initials
  Function: Convert the initial of each word in the argument to upper case.
M-x upcase-initials-region
  Command: Upcase the initial of each word in the region.

	But NOW I NEED to offer you a virtual hug. Thank you SO MUCH!

> Peter> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much
> Peter> bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

> Hmm.  Have to disagree with you on that one.  Have you
> tried filladapt?  -Pez

	filladapt.  Hm, is this an EMACS "plugin?"  :) I tried to ytalk
	you, and even verified some things via finger and telnet to your
	port 25 -- Oh well.  Thanks again, Peter-pez-man!!  [snicker]

	PS - Did you see my header? I couldn't get an emailed CC of my
	     "tin" posting by adding lines like X-CC-To: etc. Any notes?

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I've got a couple of fairly simple questions that I can't figure out.
I know the first two have been answered before, but I can't seem to
remember where I put the answers.  First how does one change the name of
a shell buffer?  Also how does one stop the shell from echoing the
command that I just typed on the command line.

Now for the question that I haven't seen answered and I would really
like to know how to do.  I program in C/C++ and I really like the way
that xemacs can automatically tab in lines for me.  Only problem is I
don't know how to set it to fit my coding style.  I want the code to be
indented like so:
for(i=0; i<10; i++)
{
	stuff here;
}

instead of
for(i=0; i<10; i++) {
	stuff here;
}

I'm using the package that comes with xemacs-19.14 with all the defaults
set.  Can someone please let me know how to change this?  Thanks much.
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com>
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Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper
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pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:

> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
> to look under, for the following situation:
> 
>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.


> 
> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
> 

apropos on upcase gives :

upcase-initials-region
  Command: Upcase the initial of each word in the region.

-- 
Brent B. Powers               Merrill Lynch              powers@ml.com

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Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.edu) wrote:
> don't know how to set it to fit my coding style.  I want the code to be
> indented like so:
> for(i=0; i<10; i++)
> {
> 	stuff here;
> }
> 
> instead of
> for(i=0; i<10; i++) {
> 	stuff here;
> }

Press RET before inserting the opening brace. :)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> "Donald" == Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
    Donald> In article <374tjda9xy.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>, Brian
    Donald> Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
    >>  I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem,
    >> though I only remember one of them.  Build the dynodump
    >> directory with CC=cc, and then the rest will link correctly
    >> with gcc.
    >> 
    Donald>  Well, if I had the SUNWspro cc, I might could do that,
    Donald> but I don't, so I can't. In any case I tested dynodump per
    Donald> the instructions in the dynodump readme and it works
    Donald> dandily. Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

Use the Sun linker, not the GNU one.

% mv `which ld` `which ld`.gnu


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Subject: Re: frame-properties function fails for property 'name

> When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
> reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
> creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
> already initially "emacs")


>From the online documentation for set-frame-properties:

 The following symbols etc. have predefined meanings:

  name  Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
   after creation.

You will need to set the name property when you create the frame.  You
might be able to do this by modifying the 'default-frame-plist' or
'initial-frame-plist' variables.

--
Donald Hunter.

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|Wed 30.10.96, DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
| > When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
| > reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
| > creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
| > already initially "emacs")
| 
|   name  Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
|    after creation.

I was aware of this.

| 
| You will need to set the name property when you create the frame.  You
| might be able to do this by modifying the 'default-frame-plist' or
| 'initial-frame-plist' variables.

Actually the bug report concerned the fact that there were 2 'name
properties in the list after the code. This shouldn't be possible 
if the 'name is unchangeable.

Is there reason why it is unchangeable, In Emacs you can change the
'name, which is now 'title in newer versions.

/jari

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: gnuclient & new frames
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:07:19 -0800
Organization: University of Giessen, Germany
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Jerome Kalifa wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to disable gnuserv from opening a new frame when using
> gnuclient (for example when clicking on a file via tkdesk).

>From my .emacs (one more thanks to the forgotten programer):

;;;; start the gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
;;; Files from edit server will be opened in the selected frame.
;;; If this frame is deleted we will select another frame to use.

;; Selects another frame for the edit server to use if the frame
actually
;; used is deleted.
(add-hook 'delete-frame-hook
          '(lambda (frame) (if (eq frame gnuserv-frame)
                          (setq gnuserv-frame (next-frame frame nil)))))

;; Makes the selected frame respond to edit server requests.
(add-hook 'select-frame-hook
          '(lambda () (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))))

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
;;; start edit server
(gnuserv-start)

This works fine, but it may not change the focus to your XEmacs-session
(but thats then a problem of your X11 progs...)

HTH,
Thomas
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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: X-Face (an alternative to the FAQ suggestion)

In the latest, greatest FAQ, we are told to do as follows

> (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
>   (save-excursion
>     (goto-char (point-min))
>     (search-forward mail-header-separator)
>     (beginning-of-line nil)
>     (insert "X-Face:")
>     (insert-file "~/.face")))
> 
> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

but i felt that the X-Face header cluttered too much my mail
composition window, so that i put 'mail-insert-x-face in a different,
apparently more convenient hook:

(add-hook 'mail-send-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

it worked correctly, my round face was nicely inserted

after a while, i realized that the FAQ's hook was a more sensible
choice, as it could be inapproriate to display my round face in a
message (e.g., those epistulary acquaintances, that you drived to
think you're one kind with vittorio gasmann), and i had the option of
manually removing the header ...

my next move, redefining mail-insert-x-face!

(defun mail-insert-x-face ()
  (cond ((y-or-n-p "Insert X-Face? ")
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))))

(add-hook 'mail-send-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

now it works nicely, asking politely if i want to insert my round face
just before sending the message

i cannot see other implications of the hook switch, but i'd like to
hear your opinion

hth,
                                                                gb


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From: Chinmoy Das <chinmoy@tcom177.india.hp.com>
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Subject: not finding XOOBR
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i have obtained a precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x
environment. After starting oo browser whenever i want 
to view the hierarchy graphically it says 

File or Directory not found : xoobr.

what should be done to get the graphical views.

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Hi,
i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
any place.

I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
I can successfully start OOBR. 
whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

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From: Robert Tommaselli <robert@ska.com>
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Subject: Big in c++-mode locks up xemacs19.14
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Hey Now,
  I have a developer here who found what I think is a bug in the 
c++-mode of xemacs 19.13 and 19.14. I am using the FSFxemacs 
on Solaris 5.5.1. 

 Here is a snippit of email he sent me that demonstrates
the problem. If anyone knows how to fix or prevent this let me 
know.

**********************************************

here's how to reproduce the emacs bug.

# xemacs try.cc
type the following in the buffer:

while(a().b()
{
}

then

while(a().b())
{<TAB>
}

*********************************************

Now that you have locked up your xemacs sesson, you can 
unlock it by sending a kill -INT, and maybe a kill -CONT.
When I did a truss on the process it seems to be in an 
infinite loop trying to do a "getcontext()" system call.


Thanks in adavance,

Robert.
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From: papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier)
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Subject: [Q] How to disable dialog-box
Date: 30 Oct 1996 15:41:48 GMT
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I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
selection in mini-buffer ?

Thanks.
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From: Chung Jae-youn <crisp@hugsvr.kaist.ac.kr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: imenu mode for xemacs..
Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:16:40 +0900
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I can't fit imenu-mode for xemacs.
I want my imenu to work with popup menu..
How can I ..?
or, can I get a version of imen which supports pop up menu for xemacs??
thanx in advance..


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From: Kevin Ivory <kivory2@osf1.mpae.gwdg.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,alt.religion.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:13:21 +0100
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Peter Leftwich wrote:

> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
> to look under, for the following situation:
> 
>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.

The apropos to look under is capital:
  you get capitilize-region and capitilize-word (M-c)

Ciao
Kevin
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From: George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com>
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Subject: c-mode indentation
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:49:17 -0500
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Hi,

Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of the
documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the c-mode.el, the
xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista usenet group search but
could not find an answer that worked for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.

I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:

if (condition)
    {
    do stuff;
    }

All of my attempts to set the c-offset-list values have failed to
produce this style.  I either get:

if (condition)
    {
        do stuff;
    }

or...


if (condition)
{
    do stuff;
}

All of the references I have found point me towards c-brace-offset, but
according to my release of xemacs, that is an obsolete variable.  I
tried setting it to "4" "0" and "-4" anyway and it did not have any
effect on my indentation.

I am using xemacs 19.14 on SGI IRIX 5.3.

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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
To: papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: [Q] How to disable dialog-box
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Laurent Papier writes:
 > I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
 > How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
 > selection in mini-buffer ?
 > 

Yes, I find this to slow to use (or maybe I'm just used to the
mini-buffer interaction).  Someone posted this a while ago - taken
from my .emacs:

              ;; Prevent use of dialog boxes
              (defun should-use-dialog-box-p () nil)

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From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>
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* Steinar Bang wrote:
>>>>>> Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>:

>> otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
>> difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
>> derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

> Is that very different from the approach outlined in
> 	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>

It has font-lock keywords for html which nearly work, and some support
for inserting templates of documents and updating timestamps, but
other than that it's basically the same, except you don't need to do
the setup (I think, I actually use Yet Another Home-Brewed One which
predates it...)

--tim

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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
To: George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: c-mode indentation
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George Menyhert writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of the
 > documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the c-mode.el, the
 > xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista usenet group search but
 > could not find an answer that worked for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.
 > 
 > I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:
 > 
                <snipped>

Well my style doesn't match yours, so this may not be a helpful answer
- however, in setting up my style (culled from other postings /
examples / experimentation) I found that typing Ctrl-C Ctrl-S at the
beginning of a line immensely useful - it tells you what variables are
being used to indent that line.

I set up my style as follows:

;;; GeoQuest RT / MAT C++
;; Define GeoQuest RT C/C++ coding style
;; (Look at variable c-offset-alist to see current settings)
;; (Do ^C^S on line to display those used to determine indentation of line)
(defconst my-c-style
  '(
    ;; Essentially ripped from Ellemtel style
    ;; Changes:
    ;; statement-case-intro
    ;; Additions:
    ;; friend
    (c-basic-offset . 3)
    (c-comment-only-line-offset . 0)
    (c-hanging-braces-alist (substatement-open before after)
                            (inline-open nil)
                            (inline-close after))
    (c-offsets-alist (block-open . -)
                     (topmost-intro . 0) 
                     (topmost-intro-cont . 0) 
                     (substatement . +)
                     (substatement-open . 0)
                     (statement-case-intro . +)
                     (case-label . +)
                     (access-label . -)
                     (inclass . ++)
                     (friend . -)
                     (inline-open . 0))
    )
  "GeoQuest RT C++ coding layout")

;; ...use GeoQuest style, and others, in my standard
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (c-add-style "GEOQUEST" my-c-style t)
  (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)
  (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
  (setq c-tab-always-indent nil)
  (setq comment-column 50)
)
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

Hope this helps!

-- 
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In article <JK.96Oct29154952@dowager.csc.UVic.CA>, jk@csc.UVic.CA (Jayakrishnan Nair) writes:
> 
> > 
> > What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> > previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> > commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> > want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> > third one back ). 
> > 
> 
> You could also consider using Keyboard Macros. Type "C-x (". Whatever
> you type after that will be recorded as a macro. The end is signalled
> by "C-x )". This macro can be repeated by typing C-x e. This can be
> stored and named and used again.

The following code I modified from somewhere places the history list on
the menu. You can select any recently used M-x command with a mouse
selection!

;; **********************************************************************
;; *
;; * Add a command history entry to the menu bar
;; *
;; **********************************************************************

(defun create-history-menu ()
  (if (equal command-history nil)
      (add-submenu '()
		'("History"
		  ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
    (add-submenu '()
		 (append '("History")
		   (mapcar
		    (lambda (x)
		      (let ((v (make-vector 3 't)))
			(aset v 0 (prin1-to-string x))
			(aset v 1 x)
			v))
		    command-history)))))

(add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'create-history-menu)

(add-submenu '()
	  '("History" ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
(set-menubar-dirty-flag)

					         -- tonyf@ims.com
					           (503) 626-5433

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:56:11 -0600
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Mike Bresnahan wrote:
> We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
> think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
> experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
> auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
> experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
> should.
> 
> I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
> fix.

I forgot to mention that we are using HP-UX 9.04.

MikeB

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From: pratico@cs.unc.edu (Chris Pratico)
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Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
of the default C-space).  

Basically, I would like it to go into mark text mode upon
pressing any of the shift-arrow keys if not already in that
mode, and then just continue moving the mark on subsequent
shift-arrow key presses.

Thanks,

Chris


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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:54:08 -0600
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Gary Beckmann wrote:
> 
> I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
> open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
> HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
> source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
> typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
> someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
> irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
> up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
> could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?

We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
should.

I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
fix.

MikeB

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "RT" == Robert Tommaselli <robert@ska.com> writes:

    RT> Hey Now, I have a developer here who found what I think is a
    RT> bug in the c++-mode of xemacs 19.13 and 19.14.

A known bug that's been fixed in later versions of cc-mode.el.  Please
upgrade to version 4.322 which is available from

    <http://www.python.org/pub/emacs/>

-Barry

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BTW this doesn't work for iso-latin charcters: why?

        (set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
doesn't do anything

I only have a partially working solution:

   (add-hook 'find-file-hooks (lambda () (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)))

Tell me why!
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;; enable the shift-arrow keys to mark regions of text
(pc-selection-mode)

Chris Pratico writes:
 > 
 > Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
 > to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
 > of the default C-space).  
 > 
 > Basically, I would like it to go into mark text mode upon
 > pressing any of the shift-arrow keys if not already in that
 > mode, and then just continue moving the mark on subsequent
 > shift-arrow key presses.
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > 
 > Chris

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I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
the docs about this.

thanks,

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Hi there,

I want to do the following thing in XEmacs-19.14:

load and execute a file into XEmacs, even if one is already running

I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
load a file named '-load xxx') :-(

TIA for any hints,
Thomas
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>>>>> "GM" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    GM> Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of
    GM> the documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the
    GM> c-mode.el, the xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista
    GM> usenet group search but could not find an answer that worked
    GM> for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.

Maybe you missed the cc-mode info node that goes into this in great
detail?   Try `C-h i cc-mode RET'

    GM> I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:

    GM> if (condition)
    GM>     {
    GM>     do stuff;
    GM>     }

Try the following interactively:

Go to the line with the open brace and type C-c C-o.  You'll be
prompted for a `syntactic symbol' to change.  Hit RET to go with the
default (substatement-open).  Now enter + (i.e. 1 x c-basic-offset) to
change the indentation from zero.

Now go to the next line and hit C-c C-o again.  You'll be prompted to
change the statement-block-intro indentation, which is what you want,
so hit RET.  Now enter 0 to change the indentation from +.

To re-indent the function you are currently editing and see the
results of your changes, hit C-c C-q.

If you want to learn how to make these changes more permanent, please
read the cc-mode manual described above.

-Barry

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Hello All, 

I was wondering if there was a fix for an ftp connection problem I'm having that Xemacs configuration 
could help with. 

The ftp program on our webserver ( Netware based) is fairly dumb and  I am unable to connect with ftp 
clients as seamlessly as I can with my remote Unix directories.  I'm reduced to using ftp to transfer files 
instead of direct editing of the remote filesystem.  
Ange-ftp suffers the same fate: when I attempt to connect to my 
directory on the webserver from Xemacs,  the remote ftp groans and says the following:

        550 -al /sys/home/faculty/academic/gtodd/.: No such file or directory.
        ftp> ls "-al /sys/home/faculty/academic/." /tmp/ange-ftpa03416
        200 PORT command okay.

Which suggests that ange-ftp is issuing an 'ls -al' command on connecting that the server doesn't 
understand (it doesn't - it  accepts  'dir' or 'ls' and nothing else).  After the above message I'm left at an 
ftp> prompt in a xemacs `terminal-shell'. The ftp connection works but I'd rather use ange-ftps's invisible
'virtual filesystem' if possible.  I don't want to configure samba or some other kind of connection 
and nfs mounting is not possible.

Is there a set of ange-ftp variables I could set so that on connecting to this  server only, ange-ftp would use 
"ls" instead of  "ls-al".   I've skimmed the list of ange-ftp variales and read as many FAQ's and info pages 
as I could find and nothing is too obvious regarding this kind of configuration.

Just wondering.

Thanks,  

Graham Todd
York University
Toronto, Ontario
gtodd@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/


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Thomas Feuster (feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de) wrote:
> I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
> is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
> attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
> load a file named '-load xxx') :-(

First, start the server withing your running XEmacs, with
`M-x gnuserv-start'.  Then you can use gnudoit to evaluate any Lisp
expression, e.g.

$ gnudoit '(load "anyfile.el")'

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From: Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com>
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Subject: xemacs-19.14 bug in C++ mode
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:56:08 -0600
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When I try to open a C++ file with comments of style /*~~~ ... ~~~*/ as
shown below

	/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		test
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/
	main()
	{
	}

Xemacs-19.14 then hangs. The sample code is opened ok with Xemacs-19.13.

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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
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 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
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STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>  I use the following in .emacs:
>  (if (and running-xemacs
>          (console-on-window-system-p))
>     (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>               #'(lambda ()
>                   (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring
>                   "DarkGoldenrod") (set-face-foreground
>                   'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>               t))
> (setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t) (require 'dired)

This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
Revision 6.0.

--

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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:
> 
> What's the equivalent of vi's '.' command
> to redo the last command made?

dot-mode.el.

You can search for it at http://www.cs.indiana.edu:800/LCD/cover.html

-- 

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From: Michael Taylor <mtaylor@aw.sgi.com>
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Chinmoy Das wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
> any place.
> 
> I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
> I can successfully start OOBR.
> whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
> it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
> please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

The pre-compiled versions don't come with xoobr compiled (a pain in the
butt).  If you look where your xemacs is installed (/usr/local ?) then
you can find the source in:

  lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/tree-x

If you've got a C compiler, then you should just have to type 'make' in
that directory and then copy xoobr into somewhere in your path.

Good luck

/\/\ike

-- 
/\/\ike Taylor            |   Mail: mtaylor@aw.sgi.com
Alias|Wavefront Toronto   |   Voice: (416) 362-8558 x740
Developer, API Team   =D--'   http://reality.sgi.com/mtaylor

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Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
> Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

Checking with DejaNews, back on the 3rd of October, Carl Michael Skoog
<cms@abalon.se> suggested that linking dynodump.so with -shared rather
than -G will also solve the problem.  I haven't tried that one myself.

-- 
 o         Brian Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
 \\_/\_,   Applications Analyst, University of British Columbia, Canada
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Is there a command to go to the declaration of variable at point (in
c-mode)?  Vim has something like that when `g d' is pressed, and I
think it shouldn't be too hard to implement in Emacs.

I haven't found such a command in cc-mode documentation, but I would
like to see if someone has done it before, before I try hacking at it
myself.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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In article <ywtg22x6eat.fsf@starless.mv.lucent.com>, Steve Heckman
<sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> wrote:

> naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Very simple question, but I do not know
> > howto to do it ... ;)
> > 
> 
> What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> third one back ). 
> 
Or use C-x ESC ESC which gives you the command and its arguments

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Hrvoje Niksic writes:

Hrv> David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:

>> What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.
>> XEmacs is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to
>> 19.14.

Hrv> GNUS 4.1.3 is also *many* releases older than the current 5.2.40.

I'm in no position to make demands for the wholesale upgrade of the
1st year CS environment so I can use a non-supported newsreader with a
non-supported address book. However, there is actually an XEmacs 19.14
installed on the system which works fine, it's just that it is not the
default for 1st year CS (it seems nobody has got round to upgrading
the font resources to prevent loads of complaints from XEmacs every
time something is fontified).

Thanks to all who responded.

-- 
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I'm having problems installing the Xemacs 19.14 binaries on an HP-UX
system.  When I try to start xemacs, the dynamic library loader fails to
find libAlib (as it should, since we don't have libAlib on the system).

$ xemacs
/usr/lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library: /opt/audio/lib/libAlib.1
/usr/lib/dld.sl: No such file or directory
Abort(coredump)

Is libAlib a prerequisite for running the Xemacs 19.14 binaries?  If
not, then how can I stop the loader from looking for the library and
aborting?  If I do need to have libAlib, is it a part of HP's
distribution, or is it available from some other site?

Thanks,

Tom O'Rourke

p.s.  Some additional system information:

xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.01.tar.gz

$ uname -a
HP-UX hpk100 B.10.01 A 9000/809

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I'm lost.
Rick> I really like to have dired highlighting, but if I put

> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)

It is a bit better not to quote lambda expressions, or to declare them
as functions with (function ... ) or #'( ... ) wrappers.

Rick> in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
Rick> highlighting happens.

Rick> However, if I put

Rick> (load "dired-xemacs-highlight")

Rick> I do get highlighting. What gives?

The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:

(if (and running-xemacs
         (console-on-window-system-p))
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)


Note the order of the settings.
-- 
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Hi,

IMHO file-relative-name has an error.  Consider the following example:
(file-relative-name "/usr/local/share/tm"
   "/usr/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/")
results in "share/tm", which is wrong.  The right result (from
emacs-19.33) is "../../../share/tm".

Jens Krinke
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On:
{XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on
ector.cs.purdue.edu}

Hello,

I wanted to customize the big-menubar to add a "toggle of
rectangle mousing" to the Rectangles section. 

I tried, copying big-menubar.el to my local elisp directory as
"mymenubar.el" and edited the Rectangles section by adding a
line. However I don't understand the format and just tried this: 

("Rectangles"
 ["Toggle Rectangle Mousing"    toggle-rectangle-mousing        t] ;; I added
 ["Kill Rectangle"		kill-rectangle			t]
 ["Yank Rectangle"		yank-rectangle			t]
 ["Rectangle to Register"	copy-rectangle-to-register	t]
 ["Rectangle from Register"	insert-register			t]
)

I defined toggle-rectangle-mousing like this:

(defun toggle-rectangle-mousing () (interactive)
  (if mouse-track-rectangle-p
      (progn
	(message "Set Rectangular Mousing to FALSE")
	(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil))
    (progn
      (message "Set Rectangular Mousing to TRUE")
      (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t))))

Binding this to a key (I use f11) works fine, but when I tried
loading the file "mymenubar" I drew a blank. During one of my
attempts I got a "Toggle Rectangle Mousing" in the menubar, but
it was greyed and I couldn't activate it. 

1. What is the meaning of the third column in the menubar data
   structure ? 

2. Is there a clearer way to modify the menubar ? I read the FAQ
   and it suggests modifying the copy of big-menubar in the local
   installation

Thanks in Advance 

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
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Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:
> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)
> 
> in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
> highlighting happens.
> 
> However, if I put
> 
> (load "dired-xemacs-highlight")

Do you {im,ex}plicitly load dired before installing the hook? This
happened to me, when configuring ange-ftp in my .emacs file. After
moving a couple of instructions around and after removing superfluous
(require ...) lines, things are working fine, now. I still cannot get
dired highlighting in TTY mode, though.


Markus

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Apologies for responding to my own post. I just realized 
that bigmenubar was setting a defconst variable, and I shouldn't
be doing a M-x load-file to load it. I put it in my .emacs, quit
and restarted. It works fine now, with the 
"toggle-rectangle-mousing" menu option that i wanted.

-- 
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Sailesh
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XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on
ector.cs.purdue.edu

Hello, 

While visiting the file 
/p/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/fontl-hooks.el

I got a  "max-lisp-eval-depth" error. The real problem though is
that I now can't scroll-down any buffer. I get the same message 
"Lisp nesting exceeds `max-lisp-eval-depth'" in buffers that are
not even in Emacs-Lisp mode.

-Sailesh

(Here is the stuff produced by the original error)

=================================================================
Signalling: (error "Lisp nesting exceeds `max-lisp-eval-depth'")
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)) (end-of-buffer (goto-char ...)))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  scroll-up(nil)
  call-interactively(scroll-up)

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Reply-to: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au

Hi,

When I do:

M-x shell

and then do a directory listing I get this:

[9][ root@dca2: /usr/
# ls
[01;36mX11[00m@             [01;36mdoc[00m@             [01;34minfo[00m/            [01;34msbin[00m/
[01;34mX11R6[00m/           [01;34metc[00m/             [01;34mlib[00m/             [01;34mshare[00m/
[01;36mX386[00m@            [01;34mgames[00m/           [01;34mlocal[00m/           [01;36mspool[00m@
[01;36madm[00m@             [01;34mi486-linux[00m/      [01;34mlost+found[00m/      [01;34msrc[00m/
[01;34mbin[00m/             [01;34mi486-linuxaout[00m/  [01;34mman[00m/             [01;34mtclX[00m/
[01;34mdict[00m/            [01;34mi486-sysv4[00m/      [01;34mopenwin[00m/         [01;34mtkX[00m/
[01;34mdll[00m/             [01;34minclude[00m/         [01;36mpreserve[00m@        [01;36mtmp[00m@
[10][ root@dca2: /usr/
# 


Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

	Rob -

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: mbresnahan1@mmm.com, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Mike Bresnahan writes:
 > 
 > We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.
 > [...].  We experience [that] auto-saves take a lot longer than they
 > should.
 > 
 > I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems

   here i am! hp-ux 9.05 and 10.10, with either a NFS mounted disk or
   a local one --- but my attitude was to accept the delays as facts
   of life

 > nor of a fix.

   uh, no :-(

                                                                gb

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>>>>> "Rourke" == Rourke  <Tom> writes:

    Rourke> I'm having problems installing the Xemacs 19.14 binaries
    Rourke> on an HP-UX system.  When I try to start xemacs, the
    Rourke> dynamic library loader fails to find libAlib (as it
    Rourke> should, since we don't have libAlib on the system).

    Rourke> $ xemacs /usr/lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library:
    Rourke> /opt/audio/lib/libAlib.1 /usr/lib/dld.sl: No such file or
    Rourke> directory Abort(coredump)

You might use the 9.X binaries, as they were specifically built to run
also on 10.X up to 10.10 (and, apparently, 10.20). Just checked, and
libAlib is not required (or, rather, it is statically linked).

Richard.

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pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:


>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.
> 
> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
> 
ESC-X capitalize-region

BTW, pressing ESC-C capitalizes the current word and jumps to the
beginning of the next one ...

cu: FJK

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Thierry Bouche wrote:
> BTW this doesn't work for iso-latin charcters: why?
>         (set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
> doesn't do anything
> 
> I only have a partially working solution:
>    (add-hook 'find-file-hooks (lambda () (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)))
> Tell me why!

I'm sorry I am not familiar with set-case-table function, but the
online help explicitly says "A case table is a char-table which
maps characters to their lower-case equivalents."

The recommended way of switching on Emacs support for iso-latin
characters is to use the following in your ~/.emacs:

;; European character display (ISO 8859-1 Latin-1)
(standard-display-european t) ; automatically handle 8 bit characters
;; Use character codes from national keyboard
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) (nth 1 (current-input-mode))
0)
;; Handle commands operating on words correctly
(require 'iso-syntax)
;; ISO-accents for all text modes (for US keyboard)
;(add-hook 'text-mode-hook (function (lambda () (iso-accents-mode t))))


With this configuration, both M-x capitalize-region and
M-x upcase-initials-region work for iso-latin characters
exactly as expected.

By the way, does someone know the difference between those
two capitalizing commands?

Best regards
Kevin
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Subject: Re: gnuclient & -load xxx
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Thomas Feuster wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I want to do the following thing in XEmacs-19.14:
> 
> load and execute a file into XEmacs, even if one is already running
> 
> I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
> is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
> attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
> load a file named '-load xxx') :-(


Try this script:

#! /bin/csh
foreach i ($argv)
	gnudoit '(load "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
end


I use this a lot as a shell script I call 'xem':
$ xem *font*.el


#! /bin/csh
foreach i ($argv)
	gnudoit '(find-file "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
end


Kalle

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Hello,

I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
module, and I get the following message:

    Loading compile2...
    Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

I have created a compile2 subdirectory in our site-lisp directory and
down-loaded the files for compile2 located in the XEmacs contrib
subdirectory. 

Trying to byte-compile the compile2.el produces the following errors:

 31 13:38:14 1996
  !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

And the file compile2.elc is not created.

Any hint?

Also any setup needed for the compile2 is welcome.

TIA

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
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In article <199610311140.NAA10806@merlin.ornet.co.il>,
ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:
> Hello,
> I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
> module, and I get the following message:

>     Loading compile2...
>     Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

------------------------------------------------------------
From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Compile2?
Date: 29 Aug 1996 02:32:45 -0400
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs

In article <9608281318.AA04636@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>,
mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:
> The 'create-form' referred to appears in declare-object (which *does*
> byte compile).  I do note from compile2:
[...]
> but various attempts to byte-compile-file or eval-buffer don't seem to
> get me anywhere.

Something changed in how the backquote macro is handled.  The function
declare-object makes heavy use of nested backquotes and quoted
commas(!).  These no longer work like the author seems to have
expected them to.

Here's a rewrite, replace your current declare-object.el with the
stuff at the end.  To compile the package, first compile and load
declare-object.el, then compile the rest of the files. 

There're other problems, however.  For starters, it incompatibly
redefines compile-internal; that function is used by the igrep
package.  You'll also need this to apply the included patch to get
stuff to display.

There's probably a -lot- of other gotcha's waiting in the wings...I
haven't really tested/dug around much.  I wish to enjoy the headache
developed from trying to follow the nesting of multiple eval's,
defmacro's and backquotes in declare-object before I do that. :-)

Patch first, followed by declare-object.el.
-Sudish

--- command-window.el~	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
+++ command-window.el	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
@@ -33,16 +33,14 @@
 
 (defun default-command-window-height ()
   "Default suggested height of command windows."
-  (max 8 (/ (screen-height) 3)))
+  (max 8 (/ (frame-height) 3)))
 
 (defsubst window-spans-screen-vertically (window)
   "Return whether WINDOW extends from top of screen to top of minibuffer
 window."
   ;; Cannot simply return (one-window-p), since it becomes false when
   ;; splitting horizontally.
-  (= (+ (window-height window)
-	(window-height (minibuffer-window)))
-     (screen-height)))
+  (= (window-height window) (frame-height)))
 
 (defun pop-to-command-buffer (buffer &optional window-height-hook)
   "Select \"command\" BUFFER \(e.g. compilation window, debugger window\) in


---------8<----------- declare-object.el ----------8<----------
;;;; Efficient fixed-size objects with named fields
;;;;
;;;; Distributed with compile2 version 2.07
;;;; Copyright Nick Duffek, 1993
;;;;
;;;; Modified to work with the reader backquote macro.
;;;;      Sudish Joseph <sudish@MindSpring.COM>, Aug 29 1996.
;;;;
;;;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.  However, the following applies as
;;;; if it were:
;;;;
;;;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
;;;; ANY WARRANTY.  No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone
;;;; for the consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular
;;;; purpose or works at all, unless he says so in writing.  Refer to the GNU
;;;; Emacs General Public License for full details.
;;;;
;;;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute GNU
;;;; Emacs, but only under the conditions described in the GNU Emacs General
;;;; Public License.  A copy of this license is supposed to have been given
;;;; to you along with GNU Emacs so you can know your rights and
;;;; responsibilities.  It should be in a file named COPYING.  Among other
;;;; things, the copyright notice and this notice must be preserved on all
;;;; copies.
;;;;
;;;;===========================================================================
;;;;
;;;; Generate macros to create fixed-size objects and efficiently access and
;;;; modify their fields.

(defun declare-object (prefix-sym name-sym field-syms)
  "Args: PREFIX \(a symbol\), NAME \(a symbol\), and FIELDS \(a list of
symbols\).  Define macro \(PREFIX-create-NAME\) to return an object with
FIELDS, and macros \(PREFIX-NAME-FIELD object\) and \(PREFIX-set-NAME-FIELD
object value\) to respectively access and modify those FIELDS."
  (let* ((prefix (symbol-name prefix-sym))
	 (name (symbol-name name-sym))
	 (fields (mapcar '(lambda (field) (symbol-name field))
			 field-syms))
	 (nfields (length fields))
	 (index 0)
	 (creation-macro-name (concat prefix "-create-" name)))
    
    ;; Object creation macro
    (eval
     `(defmacro ,(intern creation-macro-name) (&rest init-list)
	,(concat "\
Create and return a " name " object initialized with INIT-LIST's elements if
INIT-LIST is non-nil, and with null values otherwise.")
	(let ((create-form '(make-vector ,nfields nil)))
	  (if (null init-list)
	      create-form
	    (and (/= (length init-list) ,nfields)
		 (error
		  ,(format "%s requires either zero or %d arguments"
			   creation-macro-name nfields)))
	    
	    ;; Generate list of initialization forms, return let
	    ;; construct which creates and initializes object
	    (let ((let-construct
		   (list 'let (list (list 'obj create-form))))
		  (i 0))
	      (mapcar
	       (function
		(lambda (init)
		  (nconc let-construct
			 (list (list 'aset 'obj i init)))
		  (setq i (1+ i))))
	       init-list)
	      (nconc let-construct (list 'obj)))))))
    
    (mapcar
     '(lambda (field)
	
	;; Object modify macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro
	    ,(intern (concat prefix "-set-" name "-" field)) (object val)
	    (list 'aset object ,index val)))
	 
	;; Object create macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro ,(intern (concat prefix "-" name "-" field)) (object)
	    (list 'aref object ,index)))
	
	(setq index (1+ index)))
     
     fields)))

(put 'declare-object 'lisp-indent-hook 'defun)
  
(provide 'declare-object)

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From: Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it>
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Subject: java font lock mode
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Hello all,
  I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
use with Xemacs.

Thanx for your help

-- 
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|      Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it> or                     |
|                     <addante@deecal02.poliba.it>              |
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Brett Johnson wrote:

> > Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> > manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
...
> HP's SoftBench product does a pretty nice job of integrating all
...
> In addition, it also comes with nice debugging, profiling, cross-
> referencing, static analysis, and automatic makefile generation

Beware of this product!!!
- It costs a fortune.
- It's slow like a snail, and has very strange user interface.

-- MfG/Bye/Udv - Simon Istvan - mailto:simo@ws6a37.gud.siemens.co.at -
-- hint:  my last name is my first name :-) --------------------------
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From: stromme@mi.uib.no (Stein A. Stromme)
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David Peart <dpeart@scic.intel.com> writes:

| 
| I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
| with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
| use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
| files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
| the docs about this.

(load "jka-compr")

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Use Info-default-directory-list, not Info-directory-list.  The latter
gets set internally.  It's in the documentation somewhere.

Info-directory-list
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
List of directories to search for Info documentation files.
Default is to use the environment variable INFOPATH if it exists,
else to use Info-default-directory-list.

Info-default-directory-list
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
List of default directories to search for Info documentation files.
This value is used as the default for `Info-directory-list'.  It is set
in startup.el.

Cheers =8-} Mike

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papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier) writes:

> I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
> How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
> selection in mini-buffer ?

I don't like it either. It is too slow. Further the files are display
horizontally with half of them invissible, even if there are a lot of
blank space vertically.

I would be glad if there is a lisp variable which control the use of
the file-dialog box.

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In article <m2pw21he6b.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
>The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
>is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
>are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:
>
>(if (and running-xemacs
>         (console-on-window-system-p))
>    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>              #'(lambda ()
>                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>              t))
>(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
>(require 'dired)

This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
Symbol's function definition is void:
dired-make-permissions-interactive

I don't see where dired-chmod is being loaded.  I replaced the last
two lines with (require 'dired-chmod) and everything worked.

Am I missing something or you just forgot to include dired-chmod to your
tip?

Thanks,
Lui.

>
>
>Note the order of the settings.
>-- 
>steve@miranova.com baur
>Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
>What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
>Coincidence?  I think not.


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Subject: How do I set colors for C++ mode?
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Hello,

Does anyone have the varibles needed to change the color for the C++
mode? I'd
like to be able to change the font styles, and colors.

Thanks.

glenn

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(1) how do I get gnus to set "reply-to" in outgoing mail ?

(2) in gnus, when viewing a group, how can i get it to
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TIA,

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	<55aijn$es7@ousrvr3.oulu.fi>

I believe if you use term mode rather than shell, and set your term to
vt100, the ansi codes are interpreted correctly.

M-x term (to start term mode)

setenv TERM vt100 (from within the terminal window)



Petteri Heikkinen writes:
 > In article <199610310625.QAA00664@dca2.nse.com.au>, root <root@dca2.nse.com.au> wrote:
 > :r Hi,
 > 
 >   Hi root ;)
 > 
 > :r When I do:
 > :r M-x shell
 > :r and then do a directory listing I get this:
 > :r [9][ root@dca2: /usr/
 > :r # ls
 > 
 >   Emacs doesn't like ansi codes =( ... I got the same behaviour, which
 >  is really annoying. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to make emacs
 >  use Ansi-sequences. Anyone????
 > 
 > :r Any ideas greatly appreciated.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > :r 	Rob -
 > 
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In article <199610310625.QAA00664@dca2.nse.com.au>, root <root@dca2.nse.com.au> wrote:
:r Hi,

  Hi root ;)

:r When I do:
:r M-x shell
:r and then do a directory listing I get this:
:r [9][ root@dca2: /usr/
:r # ls

  Emacs doesn't like ansi codes =( ... I got the same behaviour, which
 is really annoying. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to make emacs
 use Ansi-sequences. Anyone????

:r Any ideas greatly appreciated.



:r 	Rob -

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I have minor mode which can be global or buffer local (as user wants)
and I'd like to have menu in menubar for it.  I.e. menu appears in
menubar just when this minor mode is enabled.

In GNU Emacs it works immediately after `easy-menu-define' when
correct minor-mode-map is mentioned in it.  But this doesn't work in
XEmacs.  I haven't even found any simple way how simply change menubar
in all existing buffers (changing default-menubar affects only newly
created buffers).

Could anybody help me?  Thanks for any advice.

Milan Zamazal

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root@dca2.nse.com.au (root) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I do:
> 
> M-x shell
> 
> and then do a directory listing I get this:
> 

Those are ansi color codes used by the color-ls program that is
default with Linux.  unalias ls (it's aliased by default to something
like "ls --color $LS_OPTIONS".

You also shouldn't be posting (or reading news, or any such "normal"
stuff) as root.  You're going to shoot yourself in the foot, I promise
you.

-- Gary F.

(waiting for yet another "Help, I was logged in as root and
accidentally deleted <foo>..." post)

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luiland@lexis-nexis.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

> 
> In article <m2pw21he6b.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
> Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
> >The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
> >is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
> >are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:
> >
> >(if (and running-xemacs
> >         (console-on-window-system-p))
> >    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
> >              #'(lambda ()
> >                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
> >                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
> >                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
> >              t))
> >(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
> >(require 'dired)
> 
> This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
> Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive
> 
Thanks Steve. I _was_ loading dired earlier (before some ange-ftp
stuff). It works great now, including setting permissions interactively.

I don't get the error Yum Ting Lui and someone else got because I have the 
following before loading dired;

(autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)

Hope this helps.
-- 
rick 

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In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

* Is this a standard variable?
* When is its value computed?

According to the documentation for it:

	The default directory under which XEmacs is installed.

I would think if I installed one of the precompiled XEmacs distribs in
/usr/local, that should be the value of prefix-directory.  However, the value
appears to be the value of prefix-directory when XEmacs was compiled and
installed originally.

Can this prefix-directory variable be computed at run-time?  If so, this
variable would be a good one to use to set all special directories at
run-time.  Or is there a better way to determine where these are?

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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

Shouldn't there also be an exec-prefix-directory for those situations
where I've configured with --prefix != --exec_prefix?  Maybe this is
why I always have to add a couple of symlinks in strange places to get
XEmacs to run without complaint?

-Barry

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Hi

Some questions for anyone out there who really knows what goes
on in the Xemacs display engine (surely there must be at least
one person in the world   ;?> ):

1)
Would i be correct in assuming that a string which occurs as
either the instantiator of a text image or in a character
descriptor in a display table has no properties (e.g. an extent
with a face) attached to it (or that properties are ignored here)?

2)
Do the  vector  sort of character descriptors actually work,
and if so what happens when they do?

3)
Somewhere in the docs, underspecified faces are described as
inheriting from "the default face instantiated with the locale
being the current frame" (or something very close to this);
yet they actually seem to inherit from the default face with
any locale from a buffer to global. What's going on?

More generally, which things are actually properties of a frame
(e.g. current-display table is often described as a frame property,
yet i seem to recall succesfully setting it per device before i
read this --- it seems to work just like an ordinary specifier)?


I really hope there's someone who can provide the answers --- so
far i've found out more by experiment than by reading the docs
and it takes forever!

Cheers,
	t!m
-- 
 	"Bigger cages, longer chains!"


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Hi netters

I am sure it is possible, BUT I have not figured this out as yet.

How do I save all my outgoing mail into an outgoing mail folder 
automatically. 

I currently use "elm" and have been using emacs for a long time
now and so have decided to move to VM mail as emacs is where I
do most of my REAL work !! This is a slow transition for me !!

Any help/pointers will be appreciated. I apologize if this is
there in the documentation or some FAQ, but I have been unable
to find the information. I currently use XEMACS 19.14 and sometimes
emacs 19.34.

Thanks

Sumit


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I am trying to use the above pre-compiled binary on a Sun UltraSPARC
with Solaris 2.5, but it won't load an input file when first opened.
Specifically, the command I executed was:

ws3017:205> bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks/xemacs-19.14 .profile&

The following error message appeared:

Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

Once I am in xemacs I am able to load a file either by pressing the
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versions I have no trouble doing this.  The same is true on the
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By the way, I also get the message

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when trying to send this mail message out of xemacs-19.14.  I am
sending it from xemacs-19.13 instead.

Thanks,

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From: David Karr <dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com>
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Subject: Re: [Q] Compile2 vs XEmacs 19.14
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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:
  Ricardo> Hello,

  Ricardo> I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
  Ricardo> module, and I get the following message:

  Ricardo>     Loading compile2...
  Ricardo>     Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

  Ricardo> I have created a compile2 subdirectory in our site-lisp directory and
  Ricardo> down-loaded the files for compile2 located in the XEmacs contrib
  Ricardo> subdirectory. 

  Ricardo> Trying to byte-compile the compile2.el produces the following errors:

  Ricardo>  31 13:38:14 1996
  Ricardo>   !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

  Ricardo> And the file compile2.elc is not created.

  Ricardo> Any hint?

  Ricardo> Also any setup needed for the compile2 is welcome.

You have to byte-compile compile2 with an older version.  I used GNU
Emacs 19.28 (or 29, I don't remember).  It will work in newer
versions, you just can't byte-compile it with the newer versions.

I wish Nick Duffek would resurface and maintain this again, or someone
else capable of it would see its value and take it over, and possibly
convince either the GNU team or the XEmacs team to incorporate its
features.

-- 
============================================================================
David M. Karr        | Unix/X/C++/Emacs  |          GTE - Government Systems
dkarr@nmo.gtegsc.com | Software Engineer | w:(206)487-8578   h:(206)844-3896

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I would like to be able to start using Gnus for mail operations too.
But here is the problem:

I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
required setgid.  We do use POP.

What best can I do in this situation ?

HP-UX A.09.05, XEmacs 19.14, Gnus 5.2.25

Thanks.

-- 

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>>>>> Hrvoje Niksic writes:

  Hrv> Is there a command to go to the declaration of variable at
  Hrv> point (in c-mode)?  Vim has something like that when `g d' is
  Hrv> pressed, and I think it shouldn't be too hard to implement in
  Hrv> Emacs.

You can use tags for that.  Use "etags *.[ch]" to build a TAGS table.
Use M-x visit-tags-table RET ...insert.right.dir.here... RET to load
that table into Emacs.  Then use M-. to search for a variable
definition.

hth,
kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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From: Sumit Das <sumit.das@fedex.com>
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Sumit Das <sumit.das@fedex.com> writes:

> 
> Hi netters
> 
> I am sure it is possible, BUT I have not figured this out as yet.
> 
> How do I save all my outgoing mail into an outgoing mail folder 
> automatically. 
> 
> I currently use "elm" and have been using emacs for a long time
> now and so have decided to move to VM mail as emacs is where I
> do most of my REAL work !! This is a slow transition for me !!
> 
> Any help/pointers will be appreciated. I apologize if this is
> there in the documentation or some FAQ, but I have been unable
> to find the information. I currently use XEMACS 19.14 and sometimes
> emacs 19.34.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sumit
> 

Please ignore the above post !! I found some postings in the 
gnu.emacs.vm.info group which had the answer to my question.

Sorry about the post.

Sumit

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> This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> Revision 6.0.

Add (require 'dired-chmod) to enable interactive permission editing.



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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Is there a way to get live-icon to gen an icon that is left justified.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 21:49:20 -0500
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OK Strange question.

But what I want is to have the icon generated from the left hand 
side of the window, not centered in the middle of the window. OR
even drawn from the top right corner.  Right now my Frames are huge
I typically have my window the full height of my display 21" and about
a 150 cols wide.  Thus live-icon just generates an icon for the center
of the Frame.  but since in code land a lot of lines are very short
I want to see those short little pieces in the icon.  I hope you
understand.

P.S.  I have version 1.2 is there a newer version with maybe some
documentation.  This one has none.

---
Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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I don't mind the .gz extension, and VM seems to read them fine.  The problem
I have with this is that I can not save additional mail to these gzipped folders.

I also remember a posting a while back which said VM no longer needs to visit
files while saving because improvements in gzip now allow appending files to an
already gzippped files without decompressing it first.  However, when I tried
to save mail to a gzipped folder it did not work for me.

I use crypt++, and I am happy with it in general. If I switch to jka-compr,
will I be able to save over gzipped folders?

stromme@mi.uib.no (Stein A. Stromme) writes:
> 
> David Peart <dpeart@scic.intel.com> writes:
> 
> | I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
> | with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
> | use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
> | files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
> | the docs about this.
> 
> (load "jka-compr")

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Chris Pratico wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
> to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
> of the default C-space).

Used to DOS? Just like me...

Therefore I put all my LISP together and came up with dos-edit-mode:

;;########################################################################
;;
;; defun's needed for dos-edit
;;
;;########################################################################

;; here is our own command-hook to enabled marking as known from 
;; dos editors:
;; cursor & all other movment keys don't create a primary selection
;; until pressed together with the shift modifier
;; =>
;; i)  movement without shift : disown primary selection
;; ii) movement with shift    : if first time, set mark
;;
;; thomas feuster, 14.05.1995
;; 
;; How to use:
;; 
;; You need to load it in your .emacs
;; 
;; (load "pending-del" nil t)
;; (load "dosedit" nil t)
;; 
;; and then mark the appropriate commands to use this mode like
;; 
;; (put 'previous-line 'dos-edit 'do-mark)
;; 
;; After that you should have highlighting like in DOS editors.
;; 
;; Known bugs & problems:
;; 
;; It happens to me sometimes that highlighting doesn't work anymore
;; after some other errors (e.g. revert-buffer on a file that doesn't 
;; exist any longer). Probably the pre-command-hook gets messed up.
;; 

(defvar dos-edit-verbose
  t
  "*nil disables on/off messages for dos-edit
1 suppresses messages on loading
t enables all messages")

(defun dos-edit-pre-hook ()
  "hook for dos-edit.

checks if the commands symbol \'dos-edit is set to \'do-mark, to see if
anything must be done.

if the key is pressed without shift, the primary selection is discarded
and the mark removed. with shift, mark is set (if not allready exists).

to make a key visible to dos-edit, use

(put \'key \'dos-edit \'do-mark)."
  (condition-case c  ;; don't ever signal an error in pre-command-hook!
      (let ((type (and (symbolp this-command)
		       (get this-command 'dos-edit))))
	(if (eq type 'do-mark)
	    (let ((shift-mode (logand 32 (event-modifier-bits (aref
(this-command-keys) 0)))))
	      (cond ((= 32 shift-mode)
		     (if (not (extentp primary-selection-extent))
                         (progn
                           (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil)
			   (set-mark-command ()))))
		    ((= 0 shift-mode)
		     (if (and (extentp primary-selection-extent)
			      (eq (current-buffer) (extent-object primary-selection-extent)))
			 (cond (zmacs-regions
				(zmacs-deactivate-region))
			       ((eq (device-type) 'x)
				(x-disown-selection)))))))))
    (error
     (message "alle mann in die boote! %s" c))))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-on (verbose)
  "turn on dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (add-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose
    (message "dos-edit is on, use M-x dos-edit to turn it off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-off (verbose)
  "turn off dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (remove-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose (message "dos-edit is off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit (&optional arg)
  "toggle dos-edit.
with a positive argument, turns it on.
with a non-positive argument, turns it off."
  (interactive "P")
  (let* ((was-on (not (not (memq 'dos-edit-pre-hook pre-command-hook))))
	 (on-p (if (null arg)
		   (not was-on)
		(> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))
    (cond ((eq on-p was-on)
	   nil)
	  (on-p
	   (dos-edit-on dos-edit-verbose))
	  (t
	   (dos-edit-off dos-edit-verbose)))))

;; start dos-edit.  assume that if we load it then we obviously wanted
;; it on, even if it is already on.
(pending-delete 1)

(dos-edit-on (eq dos-edit-verbose t))

HTH,
Thomas
-- 
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feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868             35392 Giessen, Germany
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I remember some talk a while ago about efs replacing ange-ftp. Will this happen
in XEmacs 19.15?  Incidentally is there a list of new features slated for
XEmacs 10.15?

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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> First, start the server withing your running XEmacs, with
> `M-x gnuserv-start'.  Then you can use gnudoit to evaluate any Lisp
> expression, e.g.
> 
> $ gnudoit '(load "anyfile.el")'

Thanks a lot - sometimes the answer lies to close before your eyes...

Thomas
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chinmoy@bendre.india.hp.com (Chinmoy Das) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
> any place.
> 
> I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
> I can successfully start OOBR. 
> whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
> it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
> please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

	xoobr is an external program and must be located in your
	path. Try "which xoobr" in your shell prompt. If this command
	doesn't display anything. Then you must compile xoobr
	yourself. The source is located lisp/oobr/tree-x in your
	xemacs source distribution.

 - Ville

-- 
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 - Some unknown country singer.

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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au wrote:

I believe the snippet of code you posted would only have effect on
instances of VM.  I had similar problems so I set the Reply-to: field
for gnus and VM in my ~/.emacs file by doing the following (which should
be self explanatory). I have no explanation for why this is necessary.
I'm gradually getting hooked on Xemacs and may actually buy a reference
book on elisp.

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS 
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This worked for VM but not GNUS
;; might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now.
         
 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The following two lines were needed to
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS

 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")

;;=============================
;;GNUS server configuration
;;=============================
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca"))  
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)

-----------------------------------------------
Robert Nader wrote:
> 
> Why is it that I have in my VM mail config:
> 
>  ;; Address to insert as default Reply-to field of outgoing messages
>       mail-default-reply-to "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"
>       vm-mail-header-from "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"
> 
> and this works fine from within VM MAIL ....
> 
> but when I send mail or post from GNUS the
> "Reply to:" field is set to my local account,
> which as my local domain <nse.com.au> is _not_
> connected to the net I would clearly want to
> have mail replied to an internet address.
> 
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Subject: Need Help in XEMACS!!
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From: Farah Barre <farah_barre@westend.ca>
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Hi there, 

If you can't help me, please forward the following message to the 
appropriate person. I couldn't find the email address of the technical 
support.

I'm using XEMACS-19.14.

1) I can't change the colors of TYPES names in my C code when I'm in the 
    C-mode.

The following is what I have in my ".emacs" file concerning the "types" 
name  and it's not working. But  changing the color of functions and 
comments works:

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook    'turn-on-font-lock)
(set-face-foreground  'font-lock-type-face   "orange")


2) When I indent a function the color disappears. Do you know why?

Please reply ASAP

Thanks 

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Kai Grossjohann (grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de) wrote:
> You can use tags for that.  Use "etags *.[ch]" to build a TAGS table.
> Use M-x visit-tags-table RET ...insert.right.dir.here... RET to load
> that table into Emacs.  Then use M-. to search for a variable
> definition.

Nope, it doesn't work.  TAGS will not find variables, especially not
those declared within functions.  It finds function definitions,
preprocessor macros and type declarations.  Not variables.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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       the Emacs religion.

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Farah Barre (farah_barre@westend.ca) wrote:
> If you can't help me, please forward the following message to the 
> appropriate person. I couldn't find the email address of the technical 
> support.

XEmacs is free software and does not offer technical support by
default.

> 1) I can't change the colors of TYPES names in my C code when I'm in the 
>     C-mode.

Try M-x edit-faces

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
in xemacs 19.14?

Anyone suggest some good ways to debug this?


-- 
Pete Berger
Coordinator, Regional Information Infrastructure
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Peter Berger (peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu) wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
> in xemacs 19.14?

I haven't gotten images to work either.

-- 
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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> I would like to be able to start using Gnus for mail operations too.
> But here is the problem:
> 
> I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> required setgid.  We do use POP.
> 
> What best can I do in this situation ?
> 
> HP-UX A.09.05, XEmacs 19.14, Gnus 5.2.25

After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I am able to
read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
permission to movemail.  Hope this helps others in a similar situation.
I am posting this to the VM newsgroup too since I have seen similar
questions on there, and some of this might apply to VM too.

1. popclient3 (beta) from
   ftp://ftp.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/source/n/tcpip/
   (under GNU General Public License)
2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
3. ~/.gnus:
      (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
      (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")
      (setq nnmail-spool-file '("po:smaddhi" "~/Mail/smaddhi"))
      (setq nnml-get-new-mail t)
      (setq nnmail-tmp-directory "~/Mail")

   Second item of nnmail-spool-file is a link (lrwxr-x---) to a file
   with no write permission for world (-r--r-----).  Kludge ? Yes.
   Works ? Consistently. (For the past few hours, at least.)

Suggestions, comments, helpful hints welcome.  Some knowledge of Emacs
Lisp on my part and at least rudimentary movemail documentation (scoured
the web/ Usenet to no avail) would have drastically cut the effort.

popclient.sh starts on next line:
#!/bin/posix/sh

### Srinivas Maddhi 110196
### popclient wrapper
### 
### Takes two arguments as expected by GNU movemail
###     argv[1] = po:login_id
###     argv[2] = nnmlail-crash-box
### If argv[1] != po:login_id, then exit without running popclient
### (kludge to fix gnus creating crash box but not reading it and
### splitting mail unless popclient invoked a second time with 
### 'gnus-group-get-new-news'.  Works.)
### Does not overwrite existing crash box
### Todo:
###    De-kludge
###    File locking
###    Elegantize

# Crash box exists
if [ -a $2 ]
then
	exit 1
fi

# Make sure arg 1 follows right format
if [ `echo "$1" | cut -c 1-3` != "po:" ]
then
	exit 2
fi

# Extract login-id
user=`echo "$1" | cut -c 4-`

# Exit if login-id is NULL
if [ $user = "" ]
then
    exit 3
fi

# Get mail
~/bin/popclient -3 -a -v -s -u $user -o $2 -p wd2ulk2no get.some.sleep.de
        
# No mail; delete zero size crashbox if exist
if [ $? -eq 1 ]
then
	if [ -s $2 ]
	then
		:
	elif [ -a $2 ]
	then
        /bin/rm $2
	else
		:
	fi
fi

exit 0

-- 

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

DM> In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

BAW> Shouldn't there also be an exec-prefix-directory for those situations
BAW> where I've configured with --prefix != --exec_prefix?  

There appears to be three variables (that I've detected):

================
prefix-directory's value is "/home/cognot/APPS/tmp"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
The default directory under which XEmacs is installed.
================
exec-directory's value is "/usr/local/xemacs/lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Directory of architecture-dependent files that come with XEmacs,
especially executable programs intended for Emacs to invoke.
================
data-directory's value is "/usr/local/xemacs/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Directory of architecture-independent files that come with XEmacs,
intended for Emacs to use.
================

The second two are correct according to how I've installed XEmacs here and,
so, must be computed at run-time.  The first one, though, appears to have been
computed at compile-time and, so, doesn't appear to be useful.  From its
documentation, one could say that its value is correct, but, considering that
XEmacs is being delivered in binary form, it would be much better if it was
computed at run-time.

Anyone know if Emacs has these variables and how they are computed?

BAW> Maybe this is why I always have to add a couple of symlinks in strange
BAW> places to get XEmacs to run without complaint?

I've never had any complaints that seemed associated with things being in the
wrong place and, therefore, requiring a symlink.  However, unless these
variables are being used deep inside XEmacs, I don't rely on them for
anything.

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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <lna@optimal.mark.macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I remember some talk a while ago about efs replacing ange-ftp. Will
Levent> this happen in XEmacs 19.15?  Incidentally is there a list of new
Levent> features slated for XEmacs 10.15?

See the XEmacs NEWS file (C-h n).  Also see the XEmacs web-page (at
www.xemacs.org).

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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> > I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> > required setgid.  We do use POP.
> > 
> > What best can I do in this situation ?
>
> After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I am able to
> read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
> permission to movemail.
> 
> 1. popclient3 (beta) 
> 2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
> 3. ~/.gnus:
>       (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
>       (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")
>
>
> popclient.sh starts on next line:
> #!/bin/posix/sh
> 
> ### Srinivas Maddhi 110196
> ### popclient wrapper
> ### 
> ### Takes two arguments as expected by GNU movemail

A shar file of a "safer" wrapper script, improved error reporting,
corrected options, and installation help will be posted to
gnu.emacs.sources shortly after posting this article with the same
subject line.

-- 

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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> Revision 6.0.

Add this line
	(require 'dired-chmod)
after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
of this into the hook.


Markus

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Glenn,

This is what "edit-faces" is for.  You can read about it in the
info pages.  To start edit faces go to options -> edit-faces submenu.

It's really quite flexible, although a little cumbersome to start
with.


Glenn Williams wrote:
> Does anyone have the varibles needed to change the color for the C++
> mode? I'd
> like to be able to change the font styles, and colors.
> US WEST

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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Subject: Re: Colors in dired? and avoid.el
Date: 01 Nov 1996 17:25:40 -0600
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"Markus Gutschke" <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> > This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> > dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> > Revision 6.0.
> 
> Add this line
> 	(require 'dired-chmod)
> after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
> of this into the hook.

Tried that.

Then I only get highlighting on permissions and none on files /
directories ?!

Didn't get a chance to fiddle with it much though.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Have a good weekend!
-- 

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From: Robert Nicholson <robert@elastica.com>
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Subject: OK Info-default-directory-list
Date: 31 Oct 1996 20:15:08 -0500
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OK, some folk suggested I try Info-default-directory-list

That doesn't work.

Right now I have.

root:/usr/local/info>ls -al localdir                                      20:06
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       1420 Oct 30 23:51 localdir
root:/usr/local/info>    

root:/usr/local/info>cat localdir                                         20:09
-*- Text -*-
 
This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info
hierarchy.  The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node,
which is (dir)Top.
 
Rather than adding new nodes to this directory (and this file) it is a better
idea to put them in a site-local directory, and then configure info to search
in that directory as well.  That way, you won't have to re-edit this file when
a new release of the editor comes out.
 
For example, you could add this code to .../lisp/site-start.el, which is
loaded before ~/.emacs each time the editor starts up:
 
  ;; find local info nodes
  (setq Info-default-directory-list
        (append Info-default-directory-list '("/private/info/")))
 
Then, when you enter info, the contents of the file "/private/info/localdir"
will be appended to the contents of this file (where the "* Locals:" line is.)
The "localdir" file should simply contain lines like in this file, listing the
names of the info files in its directory.
 
 
File: localdir  Node: Top       This is the top of the INFO tree
 
  This is Info, the online documentation browsing system.
  This page (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics.
 
  button1 or button2 on a highlighted word follows that cross-reference.
  button3 anywhere brings up a menu of commands.
  ? lists additional keyboard commands.
  h invokes the Info tutorial.
 
* Menu:
 
* SGNUS:(gnus). Lars's cool GNUS.

(setq Info-default-directory-list (cons (expand-file-name "/usr/local/info/") Info-default-directory-list))

When I have things setup like it complains that it cannot find "dir"

I mean the xemacs info directory has "dir" and I've got "localdir"

Why does it complain about "dir" not found.

root:/usr/local/info>ls -al /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/info/dir          20:10
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       3387 Sep 28 16:10 /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/info/dir

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I have some trouble to setting the Fonts in xemacs . Select the fonts form
the Options menu , then I select the "save options " to save it . Howvever
, when I restart the xemacs the xemacs next time , the Fonts does not
change . So I add two lines in the ".Xdefault' file :

Emacs.default.attributeFont:
-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1

Unfortunely , it still doesn't work .

Can someone send me a mail and solve the problem for me . Thanks



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OK problem solved. I had an old INFOPATH envar kicking around that shouldn't
have been which was causing it to try to find dir in my /usr/local/info
directory.

Thanks to all those who responded.

Is it too late to order a Red GNUS shirt?

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From: "Scott L. Burson" <gyro@ZETA-SOFT.COM>
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Subject: 19.14 Performance problems: a clue
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 22:49:39 -0800
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I just recently converted from 19.13 to 19.14, and have run into the
performance problems that others have been complaining about.  Once it
goes into "slow mode", 19.14 is unusable on a Sparcstation 1+ and can't
keep up with keyboard auto-repeat on a Sparcstation 5/85, even in
Fundamental mode.  (This is under SunOS 4.1.4 and X11-R5.  I don't use
multiple frames very often, but my windows are large and I use a small
font, so I have lots of lines on the screen all the time.)

>From what I read here, I gather that the problem is not universally
experienced, and is not understood.  I have an observation that may
prove useful.

When I go into 19.13 on the SS1+ (an old, slow machine by current
standards), create a buffer in Fundamental mode, and hold down a letter
key, the characters appear in clumps.  This happens because redisplay is
not fast enough, on this machine with this many lines on the screen, to
run to completion every time the auto-repeat sends a character.  So
redisplay interrupts itself when a new character comes in, the insertion
is processed, and redisplay is invoked again.  Only every few characters
does the timing work out so that redisplay can show the current contents
of the line.

In contrast, when I do the same thing on the SS5 with 19.14, once I get
it into slow mode -- I'm still not sure how that happens, but it doesn't
take me very long -- create a Fundamental mode buffer, and hold down a
letter key, the characters appear one at a time even though the machine
can't keep up with the auto-repeat (letters keep appearing after I
release the key).  This suggests that something has damaged redisplay's
ability to interrupt itself, so it is running to completion after every
character.

This seems like a good clue to the nature of the problem.  I am happy to
perform further experiments if any XEmacs redisplay experts out there
can suggest any.

-- Scott

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Hi folks

	Sorry if this a stupid question, but I have not been able to 
figure out how does one run an executable e.g. a.out from within 
xemacs-19.14 without going to a separate window like xterm and typing at 
the command line.

	Thanks in advance !!!

with regards,
Saifi

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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Subject: Loosing connection in gnus freezes Xemacs
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I run Linux and  connect to my provider with pppd
to read news get mail etc.  During peak hours if my 
connection isn't active for  a certain period I am 
automatically disconnected by the provider.  The problem
is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting 
causes all of xemacs to freeze up.  I have to destroy the 
window and restart Xemacs.   I'm not clear on how nntp is 
implemented or how to configure xemacs to be more `robust'
on disconnects.  Other clients (Netscape, Lynx etc have no 
problem and I simply reload the page or newsgroup).

This does not occur if the connection goes down while using 
W3 - only GNUS. I'm thinking it has to do with how I receive 
news articles.  Can anyone suggest anything or see something
obvious below?

G. Todd

----------------------------------
System Info:
Pentium 100 64 megs ram
kernel 1.2.13
xemacs 19.14, GNUS 5.2.25, nntp 4.0, nnfolder 1.0
pppd  2.1.2

webart@ellerbeck$: ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs

	libXm.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libXm.so.2
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.0
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Relevant section of ~/.emacs file:

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This works for VM might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now 

 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The follwing two lines were needed to 
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS  
 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")  
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")
;;GNUS server configuration
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca")) 
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)





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From: Ivo Conde e Silva <ijcs@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt>
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:21:50 +0000
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Can anyone tell me  how do I setup Xemacs (19.14) to recognize my tab
key?
Right-now I'm completing expressions with the space key (in mini-buffer)
and I cant even indent text while typing, while in emacs 19.31 the tab
key works just fine. 

Thanks in advance,

	Ivo

email:   ijcs@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt

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Milan Zamazal <pdm@aisa.fi.muni.cz> writes:

> In GNU Emacs it works immediately after `easy-menu-define' when
> correct minor-mode-map is mentioned in it.  But this doesn't work in
> XEmacs. 

You need to call `easy-menu-add' and `easy-menu-remove' when you
enter/leave the mode.  This can be done in the minor mode function
itself.  Example: 

    (defun LaTeX-math-mode (&optional arg)
      "A minor mode with easy acces to TeX math macros. 
    
    Easy insertion of LaTeX math symbols.  If you give a prefix argument,
    the symbols will be surrounded by dollar signs.  The following
    commands are defined:
    
    \\{LaTeX-math-keymap}"
      (interactive "P")
      (setq LaTeX-math-mode
    	    (not (or (and (null arg) LaTeX-math-mode)
    		     (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))
      (if LaTeX-math-mode
    	  (easy-menu-add LaTeX-math-mode-menu LaTeX-math-keymap)
    	(easy-menu-remove LaTeX-math-mode-menu))
      (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)))

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Subject: Command history in menubar (Was: Repeat last M-x command ... how?)
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tonyf@ims.com (Antonio Freixas) writes:
> The following code I modified from somewhere places the history list on
> the menu. You can select any recently used M-x command with a mouse
> selection!

I immediately installed this menu and I like it a lot, but there were
a couple of drawbacks.

 - after a while the menu starts collecting far too many entries; you
   seldomly need more than the last dozen commands.

 - duplicate menu entries just waste precious space.

 - when selecting a menu entry, I want it to be moved to the top of
   the list.

 - extra long commands confuse XEmacs' code for displaying menus, thus
   menu entries should be truncated when a reasonable width is
   exceeded.

 - after executing a command from the menu, there should be some
   feed-back in the minibuffer.

Thus, I came up with a modified version of the e-lisp code; comments
are appreciated:

(setq history-menu-max-items 15)
(setq history-menu-max-len 50)

(defun call-history-menu (cmd)
  (message (prin1-to-string cmd))
  (setq command-history (cons cmd (delete cmd command-history)))
  (eval cmd))

(defun compute-history-menu (max-items command-history history-menu)
  (if (and (> max-items 0)
	   (not (equal command-history nil)))
      (let ((s (prin1-to-string (car command-history))))
	(if (equal nil (member s history-menu))
	    (let ((v (make-vector 3 't)))
	      (aset v 0 (substring s 0 (min (length s) history-menu-max-len)))
	      (aset v 1 (list 'call-history-menu (list 'function
						       (car command-history))))
	      (cons v (compute-history-menu ( - max-items 1)
					    (cdr command-history)
					    (cons s history-menu))))
	  (compute-history-menu max-items (cdr command-history)
				history-menu)))))

(defun create-history-menu ()
  (if (equal command-history nil)
      (add-submenu '()
		'("History"
		  ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
    (add-submenu '()
		 (append '("History")
			 (compute-history-menu history-menu-max-items
					       command-history nil)))))

(add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'create-history-menu)
(add-submenu '()
	  '("History" ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
(set-menubar-dirty-flag)

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Srinivas Maddhi writes:
 > > Add this line
 > > 	(require 'dired-chmod)
 > > after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
 > > of this into the hook.
 > 
 > Tried that.
 > 
 > Then I only get highlighting on permissions and none on files /
 > directories ?!

Hmm, that is strange. This is an excerpt from my ~/.emacs file which
seems to properly highlight files and permissions; I do not think,
that there are any other dired related commands in my ~/.emacs file:

(if (console-on-window-system-p)
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
		  (setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
		  (require 'dired-chmod)
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-marked "orange red")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-deleted "yellow3")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "magenta")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-setuid "red")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-symlink "cyan")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-executable "green")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-directory "blue"))
              t))

I would prefer if it did even more highlighting based on the file
extensions (such as GNU ls does), but I am afraid that would require
major changes...


Markus

P.S.: If this still does not work and if you want to get a full copy
      of my ~/.emacs file, feel free to drop me a note.

-- 
Markus Gutschke            Internet: gutschk@math.uni-muenster.de
Schlage 5a
D-48268 Greven-Gimbte
Germany

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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:

> 
> (1) how do I get gnus to set "reply-to" in outgoing mail ?

(setq message-default-headers "Reply-To: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au\n")
(setq mail-default-headers "Reply-To: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au\n")

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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan) writes:

> 
> Gary Beckmann wrote:
> > 
> > I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
> > open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
> > HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
> > source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
> > typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
> > someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
> > irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
> > up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
> > could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?
> 
> We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
> think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
> experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
> auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
> experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
> should.
> 
> I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
> fix.
> 
> MikeB

I have heard of many people with this problem. I have it as well. Some people
say that it's related to the number of frames, and that decreasing the number
of frames helps. I personally never use more than 2 frames, and for me it
seems to be related the the number of buffers. Also, some people claim that
the function menu or font lock mode is at fault.

But when it happens, it's bad. I pretty much just have to kill xemacs and 
start over. It's like all my keystrokes are going through a 100 baud modem.

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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>>>>> "Brady" == Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu> writes:

    Brady> I have heard of many people with this problem. I have it as
    Brady> well. Some people say that it's related to the number of
    Brady> frames, and that decreasing the number of frames helps. I
    Brady> personally never use more than 2 frames, and for me it
    Brady> seems to be related the the number of buffers. Also, some
    Brady> people claim that the function menu or font lock mode is at
    Brady> fault.

When it happens for me, it is because one of the exposed buffers has a
large number of highlighted items. Usually just hiding it or
iconifying the frame where it is displayed is enough.

Richard.

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 (saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in) wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> 	Sorry if this a stupid question, but I have not been able to 
> figure out how does one run an executable e.g. a.out from within 
> xemacs-19.14 without going to a separate window like xterm and typing at 
> the command line.

M-! a.out RET

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Hi,
I just noticed a couple of English prose problems in the ILISP
announcement.  Be assured that my proficiency in Lisp is better than
that of my English :) (No,  there are no functions with italian names
in the release. :) )

Also, the file which you will want to download might be called

	ilisp-5.8-aXX.tar.gz or
	ilisp-5.8-aXX.tgz

Please try to use it and let us know what you think.

Happy Lisping

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ILISP v5.8 finally made it to the Net! This is mainly a bug fix
release with some extensions. ILISP is now better "aligned" with the
latest Emacs releases and some very and some very annoying bugs have
been tracked down. We encourage all the ILISP users to upgrade and
to send feedback to the maintainers.

Here is some ILISP propaganda which you all will want to read.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The README file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ILISP is a powerful GNU Emacs interface to many dialects of Lisp,
including Lucid, Allegro, Harlequin LispWorks, GCL, KCL, AKCL, ECL, IBCL,
and CMUCL.  Also some Scheme implementations are supported as well as
a preliminary version of Xlisp/XlispStat.

Written by Chris McConnell <ccm+@cs.cmu.edu> and now maintained by
Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@icsi.berkeley.edu> and
Rick Campbell <campbell@c2.net>.

Please refer to the following files in this directory:
 HISTORY:	A detailed summary of changes over the course of ILISP's
		existence.
 GETTING-ILISP:	Directions for obtaining this collection using
		anonymous FTP.
 INSTALLATION:	Directions about how to install ILISP and specific
		dialect needs.

Please send bug reports, questions, suggestions, etc. to:
  ILISP Discussion <ilisp@naggum.no>

Please address all list administration messages, such as requests to
subscribe or unsubscribe from ilisp@naggum.no, to:
  ILISP Administrivia <ilisp-request@naggum.no>

See http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ilisp/ or
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~campbell/ilisp/ for more information.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The GETTING-ILISP file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FTP directions
==============

You can get the distribution file, `ilisp-5.8.tar.gz' via anonymous
FTP from `FTP.CS.CMU.EDU' (128.2.206.173) in
`/afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp/'.

% ftp ftp.cs.cmu.edu
Name (ftp.cs.cmu.edu:rickc): anonymous
331 Guest login ok, send username@node as password.
Password: YOUR-USER-ID@YOUR-HOSTNAME
ftp> cd /afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp
250 Directory path set to /afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp.
ftp> type binary
200 Type set to I.
ftp> get ilisp-5.8.tar.gz
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening data connection for ilisp-5.8.tar.gz.
226 Transfer complete.
local: ilisp-5.8.tar.gz remote: ilisp-5.8.tar.gz
168801 bytes received.
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye.

Or get whatever single files you need from the `untarred'
subdirectory.

You can also get `ilisp-5.8.tar.gz' via anonymous FTP from
`FTP.ICSI.BERKELEY.EDU' in either `/pub/software/elisp/' or
`/pub/theory/marcoxa/elisp/'.




WWW directions
==============

You can use the World Wide Web (WWW) to get the distribution file from
the anonymous FTP locations using one of the following URLs:
   * ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * ftp://ftp.icsi.berkeley.edu/pub/software/elisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * ftp://ftp.icsi.berkeley.edu/pub/theory/marcoxa/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   You can also use the CMU Artificial Intelligence Repository:

   http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Web/Groups/AI/html/repository.html

>From there follow: `LISP', `UTIL', `EMACS' and finally `ILISP'.  Use
your browser capabilities to download what you need.

The complete URL for the distribution file in the CMU AI Repository is
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/util/emacs/ilisp/v57/ilisp57.tgz

Other URLs for the distribution file include:
   * http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~campbell/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Excerpts from the HISTORY file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# -*- Mode: Text -*-

ILISP HISTORY

===============================================================================
Version 5.8 alpha

Fixes and enhancements since 5.7

-- XLISP and XLISPSTAT support has been added on an experimental way.
   Please give us feedback on their behavior.

-- There is now a way to disable the DEFPACKAGE feature for GCL.  But
   it is not turned on.  You have to fix it manually by transforming two
   '#[+-](and nil gcl)' into '#[+-](and t gcl)'

-- A few fixes were made to realign ILISP to Xemacs 19.14

-- The file 'clisp.lisp' has been renamed to 'cl-ilisp.lisp', in order
   to avoid confusion with the CLISP implementation of Common Lisp.

-- The file ILISP.prj (if present) can be safely ignored unless you
   want to use the PRCS project control system
   (http://xcf.berkeley.edu/~jmacd/prcs.html)

-- Changed 'comint-ipc' and 'bridge'. They now use
   'process-send-string' instead of defining specialized versions of
   it. (This was done because it appears that the newer versions of
   'comint' have a 'process-send-string' that does what these specialized
   versions used to do.)

-- Added constant '+ilisp-emacs-minor-version-number+' (in 'ilcompat').

-- Conditionalized loading of 'bridge.el' (in 'ilisp').

-- Fixed the annoying ECL/GCL glitch in 'ilisp-kcl' and the error
   regexps for KCL and IBCL in the same file

-- Patched 'comint-ipc' according to suggestion by Kazuhiro Fujieda.

-- Patched 'ilisp-out'  according to suggestion by Kazuhiro Fujieda.


Known Bugs

-- Allegro multiprocessing output handling is still broken.  This is a
   though one and the maintaners cannot fix it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version 5.7

Fixes and enhancements since 5.6:

-- ILISP now unpacks in a directory called ./ilisp-<version>.

-- Fixed various simple bugs in the init files (hooks et
   similia). Check 'ilisp.el' and 'ilisp.emacs' for details.

-- Support for different Emacs versions has been broken down in
   various version specific files. See:
	ilcompat.el (new name for compatibility file)
	ilfsf19.el
	ilfsf18.el
	illuc19.el = ilxemacs.el

-- ILISP is now compiled with version 19 bytecodes when
   appropriate. (This should work at least for FSF 19.xx).

-- Added a primitive menubar entry.

-- Included the bug fixes for source file tracking.

-- The Makefile now contains a new target called 'loadfile', which
   generates a file called 'ilisp-all.elc'. This speeds up ILISP sturtup.

-- Popping to the inferior lisp buffer is now done in a more
   intelligent way in FSF-19 (i.e. if a frame with the appropriate
   window is available, then that frame is raised instead of
   recreating a window in the current one).

-- The ILD uniform Lisp debugger by J. Siskind has been added to the
   distribution (file 'ild.mail').  ILD is not integrated yet with
   ILISP, but it is important enough that people should experiment
   with it.

-- The texinfo file has been fixed.

-- New dialects have been added: GCL, ECL, Harlequin Lispworks, CLISP.

-- The special-form-p/special-operator-p mess should be fixed (at
   least in CMUCL).

-- Cleaned up support for Lucid, Allegro and CMULISP.

-- The file 'scheme2c.mail' contains a trick to make Scheme->C to work
   with ILISP.

-- The file 'ilisp-s2c.el' contains a first cut definition of the
   Scheme->C dialect. Note that this file is neither byte compiled nor
   loaded.


Known bugs:

-- Keymap handling is still rather inflexible. Either you like the
   setup or you don't. (A patch by Kimball Collins was not inserted in
   the code because we feel there should be a more thorough cleanup).

-- AKCL and GCL may cause an error in the sturtup procedure of ILISP. We (the
   maintainers) have been unable to track down this one since we have
   not access to an AKCL or GCL environment. Please help us.

-- Source level tracking for interpreted code in CMUCL may still break down
   unexpectedly. This is due to the inner working of CMUCL and there
   is no easy fix. We try to fall back on the TAG machinery.

-- The menu entry does not track correctly the status of the inferior
   lisp. I.e. there is no code yet that disables the menu items when
   the inferior Lisp is not running anymore.

-- Package tracking is still somewhat flaky.

-- Multiprocessing Lisps may still cause problems with prompts. This
   has been noticed especially with Allegro CL.

-- The "send the source even if compiled file file exist" bug is still
   in place.


===============================================================================
Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:48:24 EDT  Version 5.6 Released

-- Works once again with GNU emacs 19.25, lemacs 19.10. and emacs 18.58.

-- The popper facility has been completely replaced by a much less
   intrusive facility which has most of the original functionality.
   All ilisp output is funneled through the function which is the value 
   of the variable ilisp-display-output-function.  Several sample display 
   functions are provided.  Do c-H m in an ilisp buffer for more info.

-- The common lisp arglist printer has been prettified somewhat.

-- Ilisp no longer tries to handle lisp errors by default.  This is
   controlled by the varible ilisp-handle-errors.

-- Many of the hairy regexps used to located definitions have been
   broken out into separate variables. One is ilisp-cl-source-locater-patterns,
   which is an alist of (function-type regexp)

-- Compile-defun, eval-defun and friends display the returned lisp value.

-- Defined variables for the init files for the built-in dialects, to ease
   customization (ilisp-clisp-init-file, etc).

-- Some handy new functions: ilisp-lispm-bindings, repair-ilisp.

-- A minor bugfix in ilisp-send.

-- A simplified makefile.

===============================================================================
Fixes in 5.5:

-- Now works with lemacs 19.8 (to be released soon) in addition to all
   the other versions of emacs around.

	.............

======================================================================
 8/22/90 Version 2.0 released. Fixed bugs and changed initialization.

======================================================================
 6/11/90 Version 1.0 released.


-- 
Marco Antoniotti - Resistente Umano
===============================================================================
International Computer Science Institute	| marcoxa@icsi.berkeley.edu
1947 Center STR, Suite 600			| tel. +1 (510) 643 9153
Berkeley, CA, 94704-1198, USA			|      +1 (510) 642 4274 x149
===============================================================================
	...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
	...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
				Bertholdt Brecht

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Hi,

I have started a page on Emacs at http://www.csc.uvic.ca/~jk/emacs.html.

I have included some links to Emacs resources in the Web. I wish to
make it a very exhaustive page with maximum information.

If you maintain a page on Emacs or know of any resources on the net,
Pl drop me a mail. I will add it to my page.

Thanks,

Emacs-Addict.

JK


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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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A response to my own posting: I WAS able to get my non Unix ftp server
to allow ange-ftp connections.  This took a while. After several
attempts, issuing:
 
M-x ange-ftp-add-dumb-unix-host

worked! The ftp server on the Netware host began accepting
file/directory editing commands.  I had attributed previous failures to
the fact that this was not a dumb _Unix_ host but merely a dumb one.

Now if I could only figure out how to review an already read article in
GNUS... I wouldn't have to post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is
the only program that NS is faster smaller and lighter program than) so
it threads on the old subject properly...

*sigh* Xemacs and GNUS: for some it's work; for others, a full-time
hobby...  ;*)

Graham Todd
Toronto, Ontario

http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/

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    Hi, [CC too if you can]

    I'm again faced with XE and Emacs incompatible, this time with
    the following. My idea is to ignore all errors while in
    condition-case

    In Emacs that is done like this:

    (condition-case nil
      (delete-file "~/WEREW")
      (error nil))

    But in XEmacs it says
    (condition-case VAR BODYFORM HANDLERS...)
        HANDLERS looks like (CONDITION-NAME BODY...)
        .. As a special case, a CONDITION-NAME of t matches
        .. all errors

    According to this I tried to rewrite the example like this

    (condition-case nil
      (delete-file "~/WEREW")
      (t nil))

    But then I get Backtrace:

Signalling: (file-error "Removing old name" "no such file or directory" "/users/jaalto/WEREW")
  ange-ftp-real-delete-file("/users/jaalto/WEREW")
  delete-file("~/WEREW")
  (condition-case nil (delete-file "~/WEREW") (t nil))
)


    Would someone familiar to XEmacs please show me what the correct
    way to ignore all errors.

    /jari

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Does anyone know where I might get an eiffel mode for emacs 19 or xemacs?

Thanks a lot,  -Josh
___________________________________________________________________
Josh Berdine                                       ab289@city.ac.uk
Undergraduate - Computer Science  |  City University  |  London, UK


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A response to my own posting: I WAS able to get my non Unix ftp server
to allow ange-ftp connections.  This took a while. After several
attempts, issuing:
 
M-x ange-ftp-add-dumb-unix-host

worked! The ftp server on the Netware host began accepting
file/directory editing commands.  I had attributed previous failures to
the fact that this was not a dumb _Unix_ host but merely a dumb one.

Now if I could only figure out how to review an already read article in
GNUS... I wouldn't have to post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is
the only program that NS is faster smaller and lighter than) so
it threads on the old subject properly...

*sigh* Xemacs and GNUS: for some it's work; for others, a full-time
hobby...  ;*)

Graham Todd
Toronto, Ontario

http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/

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Sorry everyone about the multiple postings...

My general GNU dumbness is being looked into.

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I'm just getting into the Linux world, I'm trying out Xemacs 19.14 on a
Linux box running Red Hat Linux 4.0 w/ default installation.  Xemacs
will not start unless I have my SLIP interface active!  It doesn't give
any error messages, never displays anything, but it DOES appear on the
process list.  When I activate SLIP, everything is fine!

I assume it has something to do with the Web browser and trying to look
up a host or something.  This comes from a pre-compiled binary so maybe
something isn't set up . . .

How do I get it to start "normally"?    

I appreciate any help on this at all - thank you in advance!

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	By following your example from lispref.info-8
	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

     (condition-case nil
         (delete-file filename)
       (error nil))

	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
	debug-on-signal is set to t.

	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
	ignore certain errors will stop working.

	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

	/jari


Signalling: (void-variable filename)
  (delete-file filename)
)
  (condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil))
)
  eval((condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil)))
  eval-interactive((condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil)))
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)


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Earlier I posted some questions here about sgml-mode in xemacs. I still
have some problems; sgml-validate and sgml-parse-prolog don't work,
fontification/indentation don't work properly and I think I've incorrectly
setup sgml.

Here's what I've done to setup sgml-mode in xemacs 19.14:

 o created ~/sgml, and recursively copied into that all the files in
   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml.
 o went to www.webtechs.com (at Steve Baur's urging) and retrieved sgmls
   (as part of Mark Gaither's html-check toolset.) I installed it in
   /usr/local/bin and removed the /usr/bin/sgmls that came with redhat 4.0.
 o downloaded Mark Gaither's collection of
   DTDs.(ftp://ftp.webtechs.com/pub/html/html.dtds.tar.Z) and placed the
   files in ~/sgml.
 o downloaded Mark Gaither's CATALOG
   (http://www.webtechs.com/html-tk/src/lib/catalog) and placed it in
   ~/sgml as well.
 o added the following to my .emacs:

  ;;; Set up psgml-mode
  (autoload 'sgml-mode "psgml" "Major mode to edit SGML files." t )
  (setq sgml-catalog-files
        '("/home/morgan/sgml/CATALOG" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/CATALOG"))
  (setq sgml-system-path 
        '("/home/morgan/sgml" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml"))
  (setq sgml-validate-command
        "sgmls -s -m /home/morgan/sgml/CATALOG %s %s")
  (setq auto-mode-alist
        (append '(
                  ("\\.html\\'" . sgml-mode)
                  ("\\.htm\\'" .  sgml-mode)
                  )
                auto-mode-alist
                )
        )
  (setq-default html-helper-new-buffer-template
  	      '(html-helper-htmldtd-version
  		"<HTML>\n"
  		"<HEAD>\n"
  		"<TITLE>" (p "Document Title: " title) "</TITLE>\n"
  		"</HEAD>\n\n"
  		"<BODY>\n"
  		"<H1>" (s title) "</H1>\n\n"
  		p
  		"\n</BODY>\n</HTML>\n"))
  (setq sgml-set-face t)

Unfortunately, things don't quite seem right. I want to use the HTML 3.2
DTD. I manually insert the string:

  <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Draft//EN">

...at the top of my .html file, but when I do sgml-parse-prolog, I get:

  External entity html not found
    Public identifier -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Draft//EN

Many other commands, like sgml-normalize and sgml-validate don't seem to
work right, and fontification/indentation don't work for newer tags (like
<applet>). What have I done wrong?

Also, now that I've added Mr. Gaither's DTD's and CATALOG, what do I have
to update in my ~/sgml directory? Do I update ECAT? How does it get
updated? What about cdtd, which seems to contain compiled DTDs -- what
should I change in there? Do I have to change/update ISOlat1.sgml, or the
contents of ISO_8879:1986? How can I be sure that the stuff in my ~/sgml is
really being used? Is there a command to insert a doctype line of my
choosing in the top of each new .html document? I set sgml-set-face to "t",
but I still have to parse each new document manually for fontification to
begin. How do I make xemacs automatically parse newly-opened documents?

My offer of writing a `newbie's guide' to psgml-mode in emacs still stands,
but it is pending some basic comprehension and success on my part.

Thanks for reading this far,

morgan
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From: marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen)
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Hello,

About a month ago I posted my problem running xemacs 19.14 under 
X11/Linux. I recieved some replies, but unfortunatly the problem is 
still not solved. Here is my problem:
I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, September 1996)
on my stand-alone i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
XEmacs 19.14 by:

./configure --with-database=no
make

During compilation I get no error messages. In text mode XEmacs runs 
fine, but when I try to execute it on X, nothing happens. I get no 
error messages at all. When I press ^C I hear a beep, xemacs prints 
"Quit" in the xterm and I get my shell-prompt back. I have no problems
running XEmacs 19.13 on the same machine and previously I had no 
problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out (Slackware 2.3).

The output of "configure" reports that X11 support is compiled in. I 
checked my "/etc/hosts" which looks OK. Can someone please help me?

Cheers,
MarcelM

marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl

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gnuserv-2.0beta works for me with 19.34 - no problem.

gnuserv-2.1alpha ALWAYS fails with

gnudoit: Connection refused
gnudoit: unable to connect to remote

So I just stick with beta.

-- 
Sam Steingold

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Tuan Pham-Dinh wrote:
> 
> papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier) writes:
> 
> > I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
> > How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
> > selection in mini-buffer ?
> 

Here is a fix that I use, if you are interested. Its a hack but works
most of the time. Of course I would appreciate it if someone came up
with a better method.


;; Override default function to stop the use of dialog boxes.
(defun should-use-dialog-box-p () nil)


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    Hello out there!

   Sorry, if this is a FAQ:

   I am using a   PPP connection to get my   Linux  box connected to   my
provider, and I  use XEmacs and GNUS for  reading/writing news.  There is
no problem  reading and posting   news online,  but  I  wonder  if it  is
possible to  use GNUS as  a news-offline-reader??  I know  I can  set the
newsserver to be the "localhost", so I can connect  to my own machine for
reading news.  But this would require downloading the newsgroups/articles
that I am interested in from the news server first.

   Can  I   tell GNUS to   catch all  articles  in all  newsgroups that I
subscribed to in one go and store them locally  so I can read them later,
not beeing online?  (And thus reducing the telephon bill ;-) Is there any
other Lisp program for XEmacs to archieve this?

   Thanks for any clue,


              Wolfgang.
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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
>     In Emacs that is done like this:
>     (condition-case nil
>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
>       (error nil))

And it works in XEmacs too -- at least for me it does, and I've seen
it used in quite a few packages.

>     But in XEmacs it says
>     (condition-case VAR BODYFORM HANDLERS...)
>         HANDLERS looks like (CONDITION-NAME BODY...)
>         .. As a special case, a CONDITION-NAME of t matches
>         .. all errors

Yes.  But why would you want to catch *all* errors (even Quit and
Co.).  You don't use it in GNU Emacs either -- you use just (error
nil).

Anyway...
>     According to this I tried to rewrite the example like this
>     (condition-case nil
>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
>       (t nil))
>     But then I get Backtrace:

Strange -- I don't.  Is this verbatim -- if you can repeat this,
please send in more details -- it might be a bug in XEmacs.

>     Would someone familiar to XEmacs please show me what the correct
>     way to ignore all errors.
(condition-case nil
  (delete-file "whatever")
  (error nil))

-- 
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Jari Aalto (jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi) wrote:
> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.
> 
> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

Yes, yes, of course!  Haven't you read the manual?  That's what
debug-on-signal does -- DON'T turn it ON!

Documentation:
*Non-nil means enter debugger if an error is signalled.
The debugger will be entered whether or not the error is handled by
a `condition-case'.

> 	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
> 	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
> 	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
> 	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

It is properly described in the documentation of debug-on-signal.
Arguably, it should be at least mentioned in condition-case manual.
Anyway, debug-on-signal is not supposed to be turned on unless you
know *exactly* what you are doing.  BTW, I believe debug-on-signal
will be in the next version of GNU Emacs, with exactly the same
functionality.

-- 
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Wolfgang Mettbach (wolle@uni-paderborn.de) wrote:
>    Can  I   tell GNUS to   catch all  articles  in all  newsgroups that I
> subscribed to in one go and store them locally  so I can read them later,
> not beeing online?  (And thus reducing the telephon bill ;-) Is there any
> other Lisp program for XEmacs to archieve this?

The one true XEmacs package is named (of course) Gnus.  Make sure that
you use the latest version of XEmacs (19.14) and look up the
documentation for creation of SOUP packets.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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rritchie@britannia-life.co.uk writes:

> Add (require 'dired-chmod) to enable interactive permission editing.

About dired-chmod,  when using it I am able to set a flag but no to
unset it.

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From: Gael MARZIOU <gael@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: java font lock mode
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Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it> writes:

>   I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
> use with Xemacs.

Try cc-mode

-- 
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Angelo Addante (addante@teseo.it) wrote:
> Hello all,
>   I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
> use with Xemacs.

Java mode with its own font-lock-keywords comes by default with XEmacs
19.14.

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there are sed scripts to capitalize words
in batch mode.
some such were recently posted to comp.editors, etc
they are or will be featured in one of

http://www.wollery.demon.co.uk
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/sed/
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~leitner/sed/


Franz-Josef Knelangen (fjk@funhouse.downtown.de) wrote:
: pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:


: >    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
: >    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
: >    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.
: > 
: > Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
: > 
: ESC-X capitalize-region

: BTW, pressing ESC-C capitalizes the current word and jumps to the
: beginning of the next one ...

: cu: FJK

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Str8.Man@nice.folks.com writes:
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Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?

--Frustrated in St. Louis

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From: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
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I've been getting a lot of requests for the location of my
search-menu.el package, a package that opens a small window with fields
for search and replace in xemacs (like modern word processor dialog
boxes). It also contains a general mechanism for interpreting a data
structure for creating different dialog boxes.

It can be found at

ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/kr/search-menu.el.Z

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bpm@terraweb.com writes:
 > Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?
 > 

Brian, this is mostly a "help desk" group (my 20 lire) --- as opposed
to a "discussion" group

while moderation of a "discussion" group is a last resort, for "help
desk" groups moderation is not a solution (another 20 lire :)

we have to take the occasional random posting as a mild sign of the
Evil, and suffer in silence

if someone has _pointers_ regarding what to with random postings,
i.e., tracing the real posting host, what persons are liable to
intervene against the posters, etc, please let us know

ciao

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%% Sam Steingold <sds@ptc.com> writes:

  ss> gnuserv-2.0beta works for me with 19.34 - no problem.
  ss> gnuserv-2.1alpha ALWAYS fails with

  ss> gnudoit: Connection refused
  ss> gnudoit: unable to connect to remote

  ss> So I just stick with beta.

The other option you have is to examine the gnuserv man page where it
gives a lengthy discussion of the security features of gnuserv, and
figure out how to get a secure connection correctly.

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>>>>> "Graham" == Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

    Graham> Now if I could only figure out how to review an
    Graham> already read article in GNUS... I wouldn't have to
    Graham> post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is the only

What I do is catchup with all the unread articles in the group,
go to the *Group* buffer and select the newsgroup again. You are
asked how many read articles you want to see, and you select the
number of articles in which you expect yours to be. Of course, if
it has already expired on your news server ..



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I'm trying to build xemacs (with gcc) on a DECstation 5000/240 running 
ultrix4.2, and everything works fine until it tries to link.  At that point,
I get this error:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
              0 in the positive direction,
         220336 in the negative direction.
ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 527 fo
r symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 12
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).

I've tried to compile with different -G numbers, but I just get the same error 
with a different recommendation for the -G number.  Can anyone offer me some
advice on this?  Thanks.
Jared Alford
alfordjj@purdue.edu

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From: Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
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I am an emacs user. But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
the xemacs www site. It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is superior
to emacs.

Can I take them straight? 
Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
If so, why emacs is still around. Why doesn't every one switch to xemacs?

It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
xemacs.

Mike

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Try C-x b to switch to the next buffer

cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
 > command (keystroke)?
 > 
 > It seems like an unnecesary pain to bring up the list of buffers, and then
 > select one, rather than just swithching to the next or previous buffer.
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > 
 > -Chris
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From: shecht@ibm.net (Dan Shechter)
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So I made a terrible mistake and decided to show pixmaps in xemacs
buffers.

I made a bigger mistake by trying to display REALLY big pixmaps in a
buffer.

except for the "usual" things that wouldn't work, but were'nt all to
important, to things really pissed me off:

xemacs treats a pxmap (glyph) as a charachter, which means that by the
time I try to scroll over a pixmap that's 2 times longer than the
length of the buffer, IT WON'T!

so I got over this by slicing every pixmap into sizeable slices (for
example 16 pixels high)...

but then, I can't scroll the buffer to left and right although I did
turn on the hori. scrollbar, all of this because there is no text
aside from the pixmap in the buffer. the moment iinsert some text
after the pixmap, everything works...

Does anyone know a better way of doing so?
Does anyone know a reliable lisp package that does this?
Does this have to do with me using xemacs 19.13

           help will be greatly appriciated.
           thank you, dan.

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m> Can I take them straight?  Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

It depends on what you want to do.  GNU Emacs is much less bloated,
and faster, than XEmacs, but it has a much less "finished" look to it.
On the other hand, it doesn't handle graphics, nor is it integrated
with Sun's development environment nearly as nicely as XEmacs.  On the
third hand, XEmacs's support for character terminals totally bites, so
GNU Emacs is still the best choice for distance editing.

m> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than
m> xemacs.  Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

Although the differences between GNU Emacs and XEmacs are many, the
actual differences in functionality are sufficiently small that the
choice is more a matter of preference and religion than clear
technical superiority.

For what it's worth, I use both GNU Emacs and XEmacs all the time.

	<b

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Mike Humski (mhk@rahul.net) wrote:
> Can I take them straight? 
> Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
> If so, why emacs is still around. Why doesn't every one switch to xemacs?
> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

GNU Emacs (maintained by the FSF) is inferior to XEmacs (maintained by
the XEmacs Advocacy Group) in *some* aspects.  In other, GNU Emacs is
superior.

XEmacs has a much better integration with the X Window system, is in
some aspects nicer to work with, especially for beginners.  It has
toolbars and horizontal scrollbars, it can display proportional fonts,
comes with more bundled packages, and has a host of other features.
Furthermore, it can display arbitrary graphics within its buffers and
play various sounds, which makes it quite ahead of GNU Emacs in many
fields of usage.

However, GNU Emacs is at the moment faster than XEmacs.  It has a
larger base of users, and more packages work on it unchanged than on
XEmacs.  Furthermore, Emacs can be used on a larger base of systems,
like MS-DOS or Windows, where the current XEmacs has not yet been
ported.  It is sponsored and developed by the FSF, which can be a
reason for itself to be used by many.

There are philosofical differences between approaches to Lisp
implementations.  Whereas XEmacs developers advocate data abstraction
(like specialized types for keymaps etc.), GNU Emacs developers are
against it.

As always, I tend to think that the most important thing is getting
used to something.  I began with XEmacs, got used to it, and do not
intend to change.  Yes, I like speed of GNU Emacs, but then again GNU
Emacs users like the graphics they see in my buffers.  All of it works
both ways, and people have strong feelings in these matters.

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
> xemacs.

I hope this helped.  And yes, I did try to be objective and I *do*
hope that this won't bring about another flame war.  But then again,
it's been quite some time from the last one.... ;-)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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Problem:

1. Fired up XEmacs-19.14 on tty.

2. Tried to modify a file (junk) also being accessed and "locked" by
Xemacs process from another terminal (ss10) resulting in mini-buffer
message:

	gabor locking /us/gabor/junk: action (s,q,p,?)?

The cursor remained in text window.

3. Any key I hit (s,p,?) results in following message:

	Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, (meta h)

Therefore I am unable to (steal) modify a "locked" file accessed from
a tty.

Env: Xemacs-19.14, sol2.5, ss10, vt220 emulation.

Is this a bug?  Is there a fix?

Andy
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:

Jari> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
Jari> 	By following your example from lispref.info-8
Jari> 	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

Jari>      (condition-case nil
Jari>          (delete-file filename)
Jari>        (error nil))

Jari> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
Jari> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
Jari> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.

Jari> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
Jari> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
Jari> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

This variable is not intended for users and normal usage.  It is for
developers who presumably know what they are doing.

C-h v debug-on-signal
debug-on-signal's value is nil
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
*Non-nil means enter debugger if an error is signalled.
The debugger will be entered whether or not the error is handled by
a `condition-case'.
If the value is a list, an error only means to enter the debugger
if one of its condition symbols appears in the list.
See also variable `debug-on-quit'.

Jari> 	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
Jari> 	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
Jari> 	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
Jari> 	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is implemented with
a different name (debug-force) :-(.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Chris" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

    Chris> What I'm looking for is similar behavior to
    Chris> mouse-track-do-rectangle, but from the keyboard.

You have to set the variable mouse-track-rectangle-p. I've set up
a function to toggle it's value, and bound it to f11:

(defun toggle-rectangle-mousing () (interactive)
  (if mouse-track-rectangle-p
      (progn
	(message "Set Rectangular Mousing to FALSE")
	(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil))
    (progn
      (message "Set Rectangular Mousing to TRUE")
      (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t))))

(global-set-key [f11] 'toggle-rectangle-mousing)        

Hope this helps,
Sailesh

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In article <55kaqa$e3s@tuegate.tue.nl>, marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen) wrote:
>../configure --with-database=no
>make
>
  Interesting, what is this option supposed to do? (I obviously missed it.)

>During compilation I get no error messages. In text mode XEmacs runs 
>fine, but when I try to execute it on X, nothing happens. I get no 
>error messages at all. When I press ^C I hear a beep, xemacs prints 
>"Quit" in the xterm and I get my shell-prompt back. I have no problems
>running XEmacs 19.13 on the same machine and previously I had no 
>problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out (Slackware 2.3).
>

I had essentially the same symptoms you describe.  Additionally, I found that 
as root, I could run Xemacs.  I found that the DISPLAY environment variable 
was the culprit.  When I was root, DISPLAY was "brain:0.0" and when I wasn't 
root it was ":0.0".  Apparently Xemacs wants a hostname as part of the display 
name.  I added the following two lines to my /usr/X11R6/bin/startx script 
(note the backquotes):
DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0
export DISPLAY

Xemacs has run fine since then.
Good Luck
Sean
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Hi there,

I am fairly new to linux (suse distribution) and I would like my xemacs
to be configured as a tex environement. So far it seems to be mainly for
compiling C code. I have already tried to interprete the HOWTO files,
corresponding to the tex.el files, but could not figure out how to get
it to work. The .emacs and the start-site dir seems to be left alone?

What do I have to do?
Thanks in advance 
Carsten

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>>>>> "cbarker" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

cbarker Hi,
cbarker Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
cbarker command (keystroke)?

cbarker It seems like an unnecesary pain to bring up the list of buffers, and then
cbarker select one, rather than just swithching to the next or previous buffer.

May I humbly offer this wonderful piece of code. Originally written by Bob
Weiner and posted (and possibly modified) by Tom Horsley.

Then add these in your .emacs:

  (load-file "buff-sel")
  (define-key global-map [(f31)] 'select-buffer-other-window)

;; buf-sel.el
;; =====================================================================
;;     usenet: thorsley@ssd.csd.harris.com  USMail: Tom Horsley
;; compuserve: 76505,364                         511 Kingbird Circle
;;      genie: T.HORSLEY                         Delray Beach, FL  33444
;; ======================== Aging: Just say no! ========================
;;
;; This file provides an interactive buffer-list capability.
;; When the function select-buffer is invoked, the minibuffer
;; prompts you for another buffer to select.  The default is the second
;; buffer on the buffer-list.  Also, all the keys that are normally
;; bound to next-line and previous-line are bound to functions that
;; navigate through the buffer list.  Any keys bound to kill-buffer
;; are rebound to a function that will kill the buffer currently
;; named in the minibuffer, then move to the next buffer on the list.
;; This is a faster means of selecting another buffer than buffer-menu
;; is, but with most of the power.
;; 
;; Bob Weiner, Motorola, Inc., 4/5/89
;;   Added 'select-buffer-other-window' command bound to {C-x4b}
;;   usually.
;; 
;; Bob Weiner, Motorola, Inc., 10/3/91
;;   Eliminated inefficient recursion for computing buffer list.
;;   This eliminated error of passing max-lisp-eval-depth when working
;;     with many buffers.
;;   Added completion to 'select-buffer' so it works like standard
;;     'switch-to-buffer' function.
;;
;; We have gotten to where we use this technique for several of the
;; packages we have written where something prompts for input, each
;; command keeps its own history list so you can quickly cycle through
;; the previous input to just that command.
;; 
;; It is very handy to rebind the keys where next line is, so you can
;; continue to use any cursor keys.
;;
;; (autoload 'select-buffer "buff-sel" nil t)
;; (global-set-key "\C-xb" 'select-buffer)
;; (global-set-key "\C-x4b" 'select-buffer-other-window)

(defvar buffer-select-list-index 0 "Index into buffer-list")

(defvar buffer-select-local-list nil "Local copy of buffer-list")

(defvar buffer-select-minibuffer-map
  (copy-keymap minibuffer-local-must-match-map)
  "This is a copy of the minibuffer completion keymap with all the keys that
were bound to next-line now bound to buffer-select-next and all the keys
that were bound to previous-line now bound to buffer-select-prev.")

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-prev)))
 (where-is-internal 'previous-line nil nil))

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-next)))
   (where-is-internal 'next-line nil nil))

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-kill-buf)))
   (where-is-internal 'kill-buffer nil nil))

(defun make-buffer-list (buffer-list)
  "Returns names from BUFFER-LIST excluding those beginning with a space."
  (delq nil (mapcar '(lambda (b)
		       (if (= (aref (buffer-name b) 0) ? ) nil b))
		    buffer-list)))

(defun select-buffer (&optional other-window)
  "Interactively select or kill buffer using the minibuffer.
Optional argument OTHER-WINDOW non-nil means display buffer in another window.
The default buffer is the second one in the buffer-list. Other buffers can
selected either explicitly, or by using buffer-select-next and
buffer-select-prev.  Keys normally bound to next-line are bound to
buffer-select-next, those normally bound to previous-line are bound to
buffer-select-prev, and those normally bound to kill-buffer are bound to
buffer-select-kill-buf."
   (interactive)
   (let ((save-minibuffer-map minibuffer-local-must-match-map)
         inpt)
      (setq inpt
            (unwind-protect
               (progn
		 (setq minibuffer-local-must-match-map
		       buffer-select-minibuffer-map
		       buffer-select-list-index 1
		       buffer-select-local-list
		       (make-buffer-list (buffer-list)))
                  (completing-read (concat "Switch to buffer"
				      (if other-window " in other window")
				      ": ")
				   (mapcar '(lambda (buf)
					      (list (buffer-name buf)))
					   buffer-select-local-list)
				   nil t
				   (buffer-name
				    (car (cdr buffer-select-local-list))))
		  )
	      (setq minibuffer-local-must-match-map save-minibuffer-map)
	      ))
      (if other-window
	  (switch-to-buffer-other-window inpt)
	(switch-to-buffer inpt))
      ))

(defun select-buffer-other-window ()
  "See documentation for 'select-buffer'."
  (interactive)
  (select-buffer t))

(defun buffer-select-next ()
"Move to the next buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (erase-buffer)
   (setq buffer-select-list-index (1+ buffer-select-list-index))
   (if (>= buffer-select-list-index (length buffer-select-local-list))
       (setq buffer-select-list-index 0)
   )
   (insert (buffer-name (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

(defun buffer-select-prev ()
"Move to the previous buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (erase-buffer)
   (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- buffer-select-list-index))
   (if (< buffer-select-list-index 0)
       (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- (length buffer-select-local-list)))
   )
   (insert (buffer-name
              (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

(defun buffer-select-kill-buf ()
"Kill the buffer currently appearing in the minibuffer, then move to
the next buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (let
      (
         (mbuf (current-buffer))        ;; Save the minibuffer because
                                        ;; kill-buffer selects a buffer
         (kbuf (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list))
      )
      (message "Killing buffer %s." (buffer-name kbuf))
      (kill-buffer kbuf)
      (set-buffer mbuf)
   )
   ;; Rebuild the buffer list, so that the killed buffer doesn't appear
   ;; in it.  Under certain circumstances, the buffer might not have
   ;; gone away, such as killing "*scratch*" when it is the last buffer.
   
   (setq buffer-select-local-list (make-buffer-list (buffer-list)))
   
   ;; Fix buffer-select-list-index, in case it went off the end of
   ;; the list (in either direction, just to be absolutely safe).

   (if (< buffer-select-list-index 0)
       (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- (length buffer-select-local-list)))
   )
   (if (>= buffer-select-list-index (length buffer-select-local-list))
       (setq buffer-select-list-index 0)
   )
   (erase-buffer)
   (insert (buffer-name
              (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: problem with diary-fancy-display

my diary file contains also (as explained in the info file)

[...]
&%%(diary-astro-day-number)
&%%(diary-islamic-date)
&%%(diary-french-date)
[...]

and my .emacs has

[...]
(add-hook 'diary-display-hook 'fancy-diary-display)
[...]

it happens that when i `d' isplay the diary from the calendar buffer,
i'm told (excerpt from C-h l)


Preparing diary...
Bad sexp at line 15 in ~/.diary: (diary-islamic-date)
Bad sexp at line 16 in ~/.diary: (diary-french-date)
Preparing diary...done

if i eval, e.g., (diary-french-date) in *scratch*, i get an error, but
the function exists!

tia
								gb

ps, the details:

(insert (emacs-version))
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Wed Sep  4 1996
on pissedru (the binary distribution for HP-UX 9.0x + 10.x)

(insert (calendar-version))
Version 5.3, January 25, 1994

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: pixmaps in dialog boxes?

from emacs lisp reference:

 > Dialog Box Format
 > =================
 > 
 >    A dialog box description is a list.
 > 
 >    * The first element of the list is a string to display in the
 >      dialog box.
 > 
 >    * The rest of the elements are descriptions of the dialog box's
 >      buttons.  Each one is a vector of three elements:
 >         - The first element is the text of the button.
 > 
 >         - The second element is the "callback".
 > 
 >         - The third element is `t' or `nil', whether this button is
 >           selectable.

to my understanding, buttons are only identified by text --- my two
questions:

 1. is it possible to force a pixmap or something in place of text?

 2. in sub-order, will 19.15 provide this capability?

tia
                                                                gb

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Steven> Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is implemented
Steven> with a different name (debug-force) :-(.

As rms said on the XEmacs Beta list, following Ben's request he changed
the variable name to the one used by XEmacs.

Simon.

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To switch between the two early used buffer you can add these in your .emacs:


(defun my-switch-to-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (switch-to-buffer nil))

(global-set-key [(shift f2)] 'my-switch-to-buffer)


cbarker wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
> command (keystroke)?
>

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The session had been running a while on and HP715 running HP-UX9.01.
The binary was down loaded from the HP archives at Liverpool.

The crash occured when attempting a find file with the popup widget.
At this stage the session hung and failed to respond to X event
(eg Expose didn't cause a redraw).  The first sympton was the
scroll bar disappearing from the popup widget.

Included is a trace created by XDB.

Excellent editor as always however.

Steve Jones

Eurocontrol Experimental Centre

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 2 _raise + 0x0000001c (0x8000489, 0, 0, 0x1000020)
 3 abort + 0x00000060 (0x4000a124, 0x4000a608, 0x76f, 0x4000a610)
 4 assert_failed + 0x00000040 (0x4000a608, 0x76f, 0x4000a610, 0xf0121)
 5 signal_1 + 0x000000d8 (0x10125274, 0x10125004, 0x13caf3, 0x6871f)
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 8 arith_error + 0x00000064 (0x8, 0, 0x2c0343, 0x2c0343)
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10 xlw_update_scrollbar + 0x00000174 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x40a30c00, 0x405ae280, 0)
11 xlw_update_one_widget + 0x000000b8 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x40a30c00, 0x405ae280, 0x103ef200)
12 set_one_value + 0x00000070 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x405ae280, 0, 0)
13 update_one_widget_instance + 0x00000060 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x405ae200, 0x40bb9540, 0x4)
        14 update_all_widget_values + 0x0000003c (0x404c2100, 0, 0x40bb9540, 0x10125004)
15 lw_modify_all_widgets + 0x000001e4 (0x100aa, 0x403446c0, 0xffffff00, 0xffffffff)
16 x_update_scrollbar_instance_st + 0x000000a4 (0x4045d800, 0x1, 0xf, 0x40254530)
17 update_window_scrollbars + 0x000001b8 (0x4045d800, 0x40bb9540, 0x1, 0)
18 redisplay_output_window + 0x0000067c (0x4045d800, 0x1, 0x1d, 0x1)
19 redisplay_window + 0x00000ce8 (0x1045d800, 0x1, 0, 0)
20 redisplay_windows + 0x00000034 (0x1045d800, 0x1, 0x40159300, 0x40516300)
        21 redisplay_window + 0x00000134 (0x103ef200, 0x1, 0x1015ae00, 0x40159300)
22 redisplay_windows + 0x00000034 (0x103ef200, 0x1, 0x2, 0)
23 redisplay_frame + 0x000001a4 (0x40516300, 0, 0x1e, 0x2)
24 redisplay_device + 0x0000024c (0x40159300, 0x10125004, 0x1013aa8c, 0x6a858)
25 redisplay_without_hooks + 0x000002d0 (0x4000c150, 0x1013aa8c, 0x1, 0)
26 redisplay + 0x0000005c (0x1, 0, 0x10125004, 0x10125004)
27 Fsit_for + 0x000001a8 (0x1e, 0x10125004, 0, 0x7b039d6c)
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29 funcall_subr + 0x00000034 (0x4000c7d8, 0x403eb2cc, 0x1, 0x1)
30 funcall_recording_as + 0x000003d0 (0x1013a90c, 0x2, 0x403eb2c8, 0x10125004)
31 Ffuncall + 0x0000002c (0x3, 0x403eb2c8, 0x1, 0x7b039bec)
32 Fbyte_code + 0x000009f0 (0x30225dec, 0x4028bce0, 0x3, 0x1)
33 primitive_funcall + 0x0000010c (0x34764, 0x3, 0x7b039a58, 0x1)
34 funcall_subr + 0x00000034 (0x40004ea8, 0x7b039a58, 0x11, 0x40a52400)
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38 Fbyte_code + 0x00001418 (0x30225fe4, 0x4028b0a0, 0x3, 0x103ef200)
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44 Frun_hooks + 0x00000040 (0x1, 0x7b0394dc, 0x10567800, 0)
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51 Fdispatch_event + 0x00000908 (0x10614960, 0x10125004, 0x7b039188, 0x1)
52 Fcommand_loop_1 + 0x000002c0 (0xc4, 0x10125004, 0x4, 0)
53 command_loop_1 + 0x0000003c (0x10125004, 0x20b7e3a4, 0x7b038f4c, 0x10004ea8)
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58 Fread_minibuffer_internal + 0x00000130 (0x3006fd28, 0, 0x20, 0x4004e89c)
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88 Fif + 0x000000a4 (0x2006fd08, 0x1, 0x20, 0x400b36e8)
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* Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
| I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
| the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
| superior to emacs.

of course it does.  it's called "marketing".

| Can I take them straight? 

as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)

| Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

no.

| It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
| Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

precisely, and since Emacs has not perished, and is even more unlikely to
perish than XEmacs, something must be wrong.  you have just learned lesson
#1 in detecting fraudulent marketing: assume that the premises and
arguments are true, then see if the conclusions that follow from them fall
flat on their face.  if they do, you have fraudulent marketing.

XEmacs has one forte: it is better suited to those who have no inclination
to adapt their working environments to their own needs, and who instead go
for the prepackaged stuff they get from the vendor.  that's it.

| If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
| xemacs.

well, since you ask.  Emacs is faster, is supported on more platforms, has
_far_ fewer bugs, uses _much_ less memory, and requires about half the X
protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
be stable.

the primary purpose of Emacs packages is of course to be used, but a strong
secondary purpose is to be read and understood.  the whole idea behind free
software is to enable people to understand, improve, modify the code.  to
do so requires a code base with a certain consistency in style and which
does not reimplement the same ideas all over the place.  all good writers
read before they write, and read much more than they write, but programmers
are expected to write before they read, and reading other people's code is
not exactly cherished.  obviously, this is because code written by people
who had to invent every issue of style on their own _sucks_.  this is often
the case for C, Perl, and the like, but not usually the case for Lisp,
which has rich traditions to draw on.  XEmacs is more drawn to the C style
of programming, where the Lisp is merely an extension language, and all the
real work is done at the C level.  Emacs is more drawn to the Lisp style of
programming, where Lisp is the real language, and C is just necessary to
implement the Lisp system and to optimize some often-used processes, such
as the redisplay engine.  this difference permeates many aspects of each of
the Emacsen.

Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and use existing
types and access functions, XEmacs has 50 functions and use an entirely new
datatype.  where Emacs tries not to do too many things that break working
code, XEmacs doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of respect, clearly
implying that should somebody improve on _their_ design, they will happily
accept similar treatment of their now "superior" solutions.

a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for Emacs, because it
is often too hard to do both.  new, immature, fancy packages are usually
developed for XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for Emacs.
the question you should ask if you want to use XEmacs is "does it have the
latest fanciest stuff" and the question you should ask if you want to use
Emacs is "can I trust it never to lose my work".

in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient, hands-on, "new"
generation which doesn't have time to read manuals, while Emacs gives more
to the experienced and dedicated users who read manuals to learn and
understand.  there are still at least two orders of magnitude more of the
latter type, but they don't make the news for the same reason that it is
not news if a 747 takes off from JFK and flies to LAX, but it would be if
an elephant did.  very seldom, "new" means "improved".  "new" usually means
"has to do all the old mistakes over again".

that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.  however, the only
way they think they can communicate this to the world is through the use of
state-of-the-art marketing practices.  one must accept a certain amount of
guilt by association merely by choosing to employ techniques chosen by used
car and computer salesmen, presidential campaigns, etc, and one must also
expect to have to overstate everything one says by at least a factor of two
because all listeners have been cynicized by the other uses of those sales
techniques to divide by at least two automatically.  so, if XEmacs says
they are superior to Emacs, you must expect them to compare the latest
development version to Emacs 19.28, that they found and fixed a bug in both
Emacsen, but neglected to report it to the Emacs maintainers until after
they could gloat about how braindamaged it is, etc.  when somebody starts
up the "I'm better than you" machine, you can be pretty certain they are
dishonest creeps.  they need to tell they are superior because you would
never realize it if it weren't for their "helpful suggestions" about what
you should compare.  naturally, the real improvements in XEmacs are not in
the excessively hyped parts.

#\Erik
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Karl Storck wrote:
> Try this script:
> 
> #! /bin/csh
> foreach i ($argv)
>         gnudoit '(load "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
> end

Thanks to all that helped me out on this. Sometimes you simply can't see
the answer, even if it stands right before you...

Thanks again,
Thomas
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Cc: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>

At 12:20 05/11/96 +0000, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:

>* Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
>| I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
>| the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
>| superior to emacs.
>
>of course it does.  it's called "marketing".
>
>| Can I take them straight? 
>
>as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)
>
>| Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
>
>no.

[... remaining utterly biased and insulting bullshit deleted]

Mike Humski was inviting impartial, objective comparisons. What you gave him
was just a pile of negative, ill-considered and thoroughly unhelpful crap.

If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine. But to suggest that XEmacs is better
suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and GNU Emacs to advanced and/or
power-users is just plain wrong and insulting.

-- David
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?

I have one suggestion to whoever wrote the marketing crap for XEmacs:
stop comparing yourself to Emacs.  just do your _own_ job well.

* David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
| [... remaining utterly biased and insulting bullshit deleted]

well, thank you for making me want to listen to your comments, too.

| a pile of negative, ill-considered and thoroughly unhelpful crap.

this describes your response to me, David, and that is all it describes.

| If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine.  But to suggest that XEmacs is
| better suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and GNU Emacs to
| advanced and/or power-users is just plain wrong and insulting.

if you say so, it probably is so to you.  but that is not my problem.

XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and users from
the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has focused on being as
feature-rich out of the box as possible.  Emacs demands that you turn on
those features you want, after you have read about them.  XEmacs is
recommended by people who are happy to be able to install a binary and
don't have to do anything more.  if these aren't lazy, I don't know what
would be.  incidentally, laziness is a mortal sin only in some peculiar
moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that they should
be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never used the term "lazy" in
a negative sense.  you did.

also, if you were attracted to something because it was more familiar to
you and/or easier to learn to use out of the box than something else, does
not mean that you will stay with it for the same reason.  I have always
assumed that this is bordering on the bleeding obvious.  maybe I was wrong.

there is also nothing insulting in being a novice.  we all once were.
those who remain novices, however, may be at risk of feeling insulted by
the term.  is this the case with you, David?  is the only reason you use
XEmacs that there are fancy menus and other easily clickable things there?
seriously, I doubt that _very_ much.  so why were you insulted?

was it because you assumed that I meant that XEmacs was not suited to
advanced users?  was it because you assumed that I meant that XEmacs should
not be used by power users?  or was it even more remote from what I said
and your reaction was in response to your baseless assumption that I think
that XEmacs users are _all_ novices or "lazy" (in your sense)?  if so,
please distinguish between what you assume and what I say.  your inferences
are precisely that: _yours_, especially if they are so far from what you
would have been able to read had you been less engulfed in your own
defensiveness for XEmacs.

I'm trying to counter the obviously groundless marketing that cause people
like the requestor to ask his questions.  if you XEmacs guys feel that it
is appropriate to claim that XEmacs is so superior to Emacs that you want
to make people ask the question "why hasn't Emacs perished", then you need
to grab a hold yourself and ask yourself who is engaging in what kind of
dirty practices.  sorry to be so blunt, but time and again, XEmacs has
shown that it means one thing: commercial-grade marketing to gain market
share.  such is just plain evil.  it's bad enough that XEmacs does things
differently from Emacs (no "direction" is implied here), if we also don't
have to counter the marketing practices that brought shitware like Windows
and Netscape to the front pages of newspapers.

#\Erik

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Erik,

Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal vomit?

Get a life.

-- David


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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
> packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
> are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
> immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
> even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
> market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
> be stable.

You follow the very same type of marketing strategies you have
attacked several lines before.  Give us several examples of "immature"
lisp packages in XEmacs.

Give us examples of all those XEmacs bugs.  Real examples, not "every
version of XEmacs has crashed on me".  How come you are the only one
to whom XEmacs is only crashing?  Why doesn't it happen to Barry
Warsaw or Bill Perry?  Bah!

[...]
> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.

Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those
improvements.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!
-- 
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
> packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
> are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
> immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
> even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
> market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
> be stable.

You follow the very same type of marketing strategies you have
attacked several lines before.  Give us several examples of "immature"
lisp packages in XEmacs.

Give us examples of all those XEmacs bugs.  Real examples, not "every
version of XEmacs has crashed on me".  How come you are the only one
to whom XEmacs is only crashing?  Why doesn't it happen to Barry
Warsaw or Bill Perry?  Bah!

[...]
> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.

Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those
improvements.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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* David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
| Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal
| vomit?

I don't "type out a pile of verbal vomit", David.  I tried to explain what
I wrote so that you could understand it, but you seem to be prejudiced, you
obviously disagree very strongly before you even know what I have said, you
don't appear to read what I write, and you appear to be extremely emotional
about it all.  neither of these are my fault, and neither of them make what
_I_ write "a pile of verbal vomit", as much as you would like it to be.

it is most emphatically not my fault that you puke when you read views that
don't match your own prejudices, and neither is it my vomit you're staring
into afterwards.  please be so kind as to clean up your lunch with some
appropriate material instead of sending it to me.  thank you.

good day, David.  I'm glad you're an XEmacs user.  that means the chances
of ever having the pleasure of meeting you again is minimized.  I would
also appreciate if you did your part to ensure that I won't.  please?

#\Erik

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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
| spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those improvements.

could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend flaming
XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but I have spent less
than two hours today (and none in several months) on countering the
marketing from the XEmacs camp that makes an innocent bystander think that
Emacs would "perish" were all of it true.  obviously, the XEmacs marketing
is a bunch of vile lies, and that needs to be said.  equally obviously,
XEmacs folks are very touchy in this area.  people's whose bluffs are
exposed usually are quite touchy about it.

incidentally, I don't keep track of how much time XEmacs proponents spend
flaming Emacs, either.  do you have the latest data, Hrvoje?  you might
find it instructive if you don't already keep records.  you might also find
my summary of keybindings in the XEmacs FAQ a tad bit less inflammatory
than the previous version, which, if I recall correctly, referred to the
Emacs way as "braindamaged" several times in the course of a few lines.
I'm sure you were happier with the previous version, but please, let it
stay the way I wrote it.  I guess you also think it's a miracle that I
would improve something related to XEmacs in such a was as to make XEmacs
less hostile to Emacs, considering the bile that XEmacs proponents have
emptied over Emacs over the years.

oh, speaking of which, XEmacs folks talk about Emacs all the time, they
compare themselves to Emacs, they hate Emacs, they flame Emacs, they tell
Emacs users how wonderful things are in XEmacs.  I find this a bit tiring,
especially since _every_damn_time_ some Emacs user tries to level the
balance by countering their exaggerated lies, all sorts of whining losers
creep out of the woodwork to complain how unfair somebody is to XEmacs.  is
XEmacs really so bad that it needs this kind of defense?

I sincerely wish that XEmacs folks just grew up and start to do their own
job well, instead of comparing themselves to others.  anybody can be better
than somebody else if they only portray those others as sufficiently bad.

(miracles happen only to people who don't understand what is going on.)

#\Erik
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Hi all,

I'm quite new to XEmacs (19.14) and have one or two questions concerning 
VM. There are some features I liked very much when using Elm and just 
wonder if they are available in VM, too.

1) Saving: I know that VM can bring up some default folder name when saving
   messages. What I would like to have is that VM sets the sender's e-mail 
   address as default. Is this possible?

2) Autosave: Is it possible to let VM save outgoing mail automatically 
   into the "appropriate" folder (what I mean is that if I send a mail to 
   x@y.z then I'ld like to have VL append this one to ~/Mail/x without
   asking me).


Thanks for your attention,
	Tom

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Dear David and Erik

	I think it would be nice if the two of you, please use this 
mailing list to discuss something constructive and informative than plain 
slandering and mud slinging.

	I am sure that both of you are very capable and experienced 
end-users and that others have much to learn from both of you.
	
	Please avoid using a mailing list as a platform to vent out your 
personal feelings.

with regards,
Saifi

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>>>>> Richard Cognot writes:

 cognot> When it happens for me, it is because one of the exposed
 cognot> buffers has a large number of highlighted items. Usually just
 cognot> hiding it or iconifying the frame where it is displayed is
 cognot> enough.

Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.

Hope this helps.


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
> | I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> | the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
> | superior to emacs.
> 
> of course it does.  it's called "marketing".
> 
> | Can I take them straight? 
> 
> as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)

Not quite, I'm afraid.  All of the listed points are valid.

> | Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
> 
> no.

Can't compare, really.  For everyday use, I find GNU Emacs for
convenient (stability, speed).  If you have other needs than merely
programming, more in the line of text processing, or WEB browsing,
there is no alternative to XEmacs which supports proportional fonts
and inline graphics.  Apart from these essentials (*if* you are into
that area), XEmacs offers quite a few other niceties.

> | It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> | Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

At quite a lot of which it supports.

> precisely, and since Emacs has not perished, and is even more unlikely to
> perish than XEmacs, something must be wrong.  you have just learned lesson
> #1 in detecting fraudulent marketing: assume that the premises and
> arguments are true, then see if the conclusions that follow from them fall
> flat on their face.  if they do, you have fraudulent marketing.

With XEmacs, I don't find their marketing fraudulent.  Point out the
lies in it.

> Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and use existing
> types and access functions, XEmacs has 50 functions and use an entirely new
> datatype.  where Emacs tries not to do too many things that break working
> code, XEmacs doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
> in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of respect, clearly
> implying that should somebody improve on _their_ design, they will happily
> accept similar treatment of their now "superior" solutions.

Care for examples?  In fact XEmacs maintainers have a hard time
keeping compatibility with GNU Emacs development where quite a few
things change they way they were done.  After some "new" functionality
(which was present in XEmacs before) gets reinvented in GNU Emacs, it
typically takes one or two releases to get an interface wrapper in
upcoming XEmacses.  A nuisance, of course.

> a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for Emacs, because it
> is often too hard to do both.  new, immature, fancy packages are usually
> developed for XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for
> Emacs.

Don't be silly.  The quality of the packages has nothing to do with
for what you develop them.  The reason "fancy" packages are more often
developed for XEmacs is simply that you have the display stuff to be
"fancy".

> in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient, hands-on, "new"
> generation which doesn't have time to read manuals, while Emacs gives more
> to the experienced and dedicated users who read manuals to learn and
> understand.

Well, the hypertext apropos mechanisms of XEmacs might make it easier
to get to the information you want, but that does not make them
inferior to GNU Emacs, IMO.  Having easily accesible features is no
mistake in itself.  You can still use traditional key sequences if you
want.

> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.  however, the only
> way they think they can communicate this to the world is through the use of
> state-of-the-art marketing practices.  one must accept a certain amount of
> guilt by association merely by choosing to employ techniques chosen by used
> car and computer salesmen, presidential campaigns, etc, and one must also
> expect to have to overstate everything one says by at least a factor of two
> because all listeners have been cynicized by the other uses of those sales
> techniques to divide by at least two automatically.

I have compared both and found that the claims of XEmacs people are
correct.  I use GNU Emacs for everyday work because of speed reasons,
mainly.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend flaming
> XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but I have spent less

Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.  Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs,
it's just that I have this terrible urge to intervene in every
discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it really is".

> incidentally, I don't keep track of how much time XEmacs proponents spend
> flaming Emacs, either.  do you have the latest data, Hrvoje?  you might

I read comp.emacs and comp.emacs.xemacs.  I have never seen people
flame GNU Emacs the way you flame XEmacs.  The small number of
examples (Ben's heated words several months ago) have mostly been in
answer to your, equally heated, postings.

> my summary of keybindings in the XEmacs FAQ a tad bit less inflammatory
> than the previous version, which, if I recall correctly, referred to the
> Emacs way as "braindamaged" several times in the course of a few lines.
> I'm sure you were happier with the previous version, but please, let it

Nope.  I have suggested a correct approach to the FAQ maintainer
myself, and I am glad that XEmacs FAQ now (AFAIK) contains no "bad"
material against GNU Emacs.  You have obviously misjudged my opinion
upon the matter.

> stay the way I wrote it.  I guess you also think it's a miracle that I
> would improve something related to XEmacs in such a was as to make XEmacs
> less hostile to Emacs, considering the bile that XEmacs proponents have
> emptied over Emacs over the years.

Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
hostile.  Of course, you say that you need to say the truth.  OK, but
then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?

I think each side should be more careful of the tone it assumes, if it
does not want to provoke similar reactions from the other one.

> oh, speaking of which, XEmacs folks talk about Emacs all the time, they
> compare themselves to Emacs, they hate Emacs, they flame Emacs, they tell
> Emacs users how wonderful things are in XEmacs.  I find this a bit tiring,

It is perfectly normal to compare the two major branches of Emacs 19
that are being actively developed.

> especially since _every_damn_time_ some Emacs user tries to level the
> balance by countering their exaggerated lies, all sorts of whining losers
> creep out of the woodwork to complain how unfair somebody is to XEmacs.  is
> XEmacs really so bad that it needs this kind of defense?

I don't think so.  You are not unfair to XEmacs -- you just follow the
same marketing principles you argue against -- attacking the "enemy"'s
weaknesses, and hyping your own advantages.

> I sincerely wish that XEmacs folks just grew up and start to do their own
> job well, instead of comparing themselves to others.  anybody can be better
> than somebody else if they only portray those others as sufficiently
> bad.
> (miracles happen only to people who don't understand what is going on.)

I think that what you sincerely wish has already happened.  But maybe
you are the one who doesn't understand what's going on...

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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

> XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and users from
> the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has focused on being as
> feature-rich out of the box as possible.  Emacs demands that you turn on
> those features you want, after you have read about them.  XEmacs is
> recommended by people who are happy to be able to install a binary and
> don't have to do anything more.  if these aren't lazy, I don't know what
> would be.  incidentally, laziness is a mortal sin only in some peculiar
> moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that they should
> be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never used the term "lazy" in
> a negative sense.  you did.
> 

This is positively weird to me. I can only conclude that this guy has gone
into editing as a lifestyle. Not me. I'm one of the people attracted to
XEmacs because I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MANUAL. That's how I define a
useful computing tool. Can I use it without having to learn anything new?
You call this lazy? I call this common sense. My job is physics; not
computer programming.

-- 
rick  

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> luiland@lexis-nexis.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

Yum> This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
Yum> Symbol's function definition is void:
Yum> dired-make-permissions-interactive


Rick> I don't get the error Yum Ting Lui and someone else got because
Rick> I have the following before loading dired;

Rick> (autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)

That is the correct thing to do.  This bug has been fixed in my copy
of the sources, sorry for omitting that detail ...
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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O.K. I have permissions interactive, I have highlighting on links,
directories, executables, and boring. But when I mark a file, all I get is a
leading asterisk. dired-face-marked seems to be ignored. Also, when I
delete, the name just disappears. I would prefer to have it highlighted
according to dired-face-deleted.

My loading order in .emacs is

(autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)

-- 
rick  

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	I am compiling Xemacs 19-14 on a Linux 2.0.20 kernel, ELF. I
am trying to get JPEG support compiled in, but keep having problems
with glyphs-x.c and some jpeg routines. I have compiled jpeg-6a and
installed in on the machine. I can even see the stuff that is giving
me error messages in jpeglib.h, but can't get it it to work.  Here is
the error message:

[huge list of object files...]
  -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o           
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1645): undefined reference to `jpeg_destroy_decompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1781): undefined reference to `jpeg_resync_to_restart'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1869): undefined reference to `jpeg_std_error'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x18df): undefined reference to `jpeg_CreateDecompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x193a): undefined reference to `jpeg_read_header'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x195e): undefined reference to `jpeg_start_decompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1b67): undefined reference to `jpeg_read_scanlines'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1bd8): undefined reference to `jpeg_finish_decompress'
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

All these functions are defined in jpeglib.h (which I have placed in
/usr/include/gr). 


	Can anyone give me a hand?  I am not a C hacker (yet...)

-- 
Jonathan Gross
jong@seaotter.com (finger jong@ssc.com for pgp key)

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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.

please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have
spent a few hours this year to respond to the typical XEmacs idiocy about
Emacs, and Hrvoje Niksic thinks "it seems a lot".  are you utterly and
completely _insane_?

| Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible
| urge to intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it
| really is".

excellent!  this will score you several points in the XEmacs crowd.  never
mind that it utterly and completely false.  never mind that this is the
kind of foul lie and idiotic exaggeration that virtually _defines_ how a
good XEmacs user should behave towards the Enemy.  never mind that you are
trying to portray me as something I am not, have never been, and never will
be.  never mind that "intervene in every discussion about XEmacs" is such a
silly exaggeration that even XEmacs users must be embarrassed.

I'm also saddened to see that it is so hard for an XEmacs user to
distinguish between the lies and exaggerations and fraudulent marketing of
XEmacs on the one hand and XEmacs itself on the other.  XEmacs is as good
as any commercially hyped product, probably even better.  it is the
despicable idiots who defend it, who lie about it, who do anything they can
to hurt Emacs and the Free Software Foundation that is crappy.  people
who's motives are destruction, whose character is of the same kind as Bill
Gates', who also seeks to destroy his competition instead of being better
than them on his own terms, the kind of scum who fights to win at all
costs, no matter how large, not to improve or create anything.

| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
| hostile.

wow!  this must be a ten-point exaggeration with the XEmacs crowd.  what do
you win if you become the most exaggerating XEmacs user?  do you get a
nice, black T-shirt?  does the "X" in "XEmacs" stand for "eXaggerated".

you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so mindbogglingly
stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage to write it.  but then
again, I'm not an XEmacs user, and I don't use the word "braindamaged" and
"truth" in the same sentence:

| OK, but then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
| braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?

you don't understand the word "braindamaged".  look it up.

you might find it instructive to read what I _actually_ write, instead of
inventing the crap you wish I had written.  I have never said any of the
utterly stupid things you attribute to me.

just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
it's as simple as that.

#\Erik
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Rick Baartman (baartman@alph04.triumf.ca) wrote:
> This is positively weird to me. I can only conclude that this guy has gone
> into editing as a lifestyle. Not me. I'm one of the people attracted to
> XEmacs because I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MANUAL. That's how I define a
> useful computing tool. Can I use it without having to learn anything new?
> You call this lazy? I call this common sense. My job is physics; not
> computer programming.

By saying this you only make Erik's point.  But there are people who
have also gone into editing as a lifestyle, and still use XEmacs.  Of
course, if editing means using (X)Emacs, it includes newsreading,
mailreading, web browsing, programming, etc.

What I like is that with XEmacs I can have it both ways -- an easily
accessible user interface (toolbars, menus, nicer outlook), *and* all
the things GNU Emacs has (customization, elisp, etc.).  So noone
actually *forces* you to use the menus -- you can do all of it with
keybindings (which is the way I mainly do it, since I use XEmacs on
tty-s a lot).

-- 
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I didn't want to get into this, but ...

>| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
>| hostile.
> ... 
> you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
> completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so mindbogglingly
> stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage to write it.  but then
> again, I'm not an XEmacs user, 

Wow.




--
 scott evans
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From: drig@magicweb.com (David Rudder)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Mark flipping?
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:55:26 GMT
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Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this should be an easy one.

I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
flip between the two easily.  For example, I have a file containing some 
code.  There are two functions, far apart enough that they won't fit on 
one screen.  I want to be able to move between the two of them easily.

I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
much screen real estate.

Can anyone help me?

			TIA and all that...

--
			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

I got a coffee mug from Cray Research when they moved out.  Now I can 
drink my coffee while doing 63 other, unrelated tasks.

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From: bpm@terraweb.com (bpm)
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Erik Naggum pontificates:
 |* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
 || Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
 |
 |please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
 |articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.

Do the half a dozen or so you have sent on this thread count?  Or
those "less than a dozen" just the objective ones?

-- 
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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Standard solution for the problem of filling text with '>'s in it?
Date: 5 Nov 1996 20:10:39 GMT
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	Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in
email or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or other quoting?
For instance, how would you fill this text (assuming fill-column of 20):

You said:
>You write:
>> You said:
>> >Blah blah blah blah blah.
>>
>> Oh yeah, Mr. Wise Guy?
>Yeah.

to:

You said:
>You write:
>> You said:
>> >Blah blah blah
>> >blah blah.
>>
>> Oh yeah, wise 
>> guy?
>Yeah.

	Defining paragraph-start and paragraph-separate to allow the '>'
characters at least fixes the problem of having the filled text have '>'s
interspersed in the middle of lines, but the wrapped text doesn't have the
proper fill-prefix.

	I am a novice elisp programmer and the best I have come up with so far
is the following, which is slow and I'm sure doesn't work for all situations:

(defun begin-repl ()
  "Begin a repl message by filling all quoted paragraphs and moving to end."
  (interactive)
  (setq fill-column 78)
  (search-forward-regexp "^$")
  (forward-line 2)
  (while (<= (point) (buffer-size))
    (if (search-forward-regexp "^[> ]*>.*[!-~]" nil t)
	;; If we find a quoted line with text on it, fill.
	(progn
	  (beginning-of-line)
	  (search-forward-regexp "^[> ]*> ?")
	  (set-fill-prefix)
	  (fill-paragraph nil)
	  (forward-line 1))
      ;; Else, jump to the end of the buffer so the while will end.
      (end-of-buffer)))
  (newline)
  (insert "	")
  (setq fill-prefix nil))

	I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.

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From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
To: drig@magicweb.com (David Rudder)
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Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
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    David> Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this
    David> should be an easy one. I use XEmacs for
    David> programming.  I want to be able to mark two
    David> spots and flip between the two easily.  For
    David> example, I have a file containing some code.
    David> There are two functions, far apart enough that
    David> they won't fit on one screen.  I want to be
    David> able to move between the two of them easily.

    David> I don't want to open two frames with a view on
    David> each because it takes too much screen real
    David> estate.

    David> Can anyone help me?

Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
deactivate the region.

Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
(i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
mark.

Better way: use a package suited for this sort of thing
like bookmarks.el (there are probably others too).

-Pez

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> I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
> flip between the two easily.  
> 
> I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
> much screen real estate.

Why not just split the frame?  Use C-x 2, then use C-x o to go back
and forth between the two views.  Very nice.

You could also use registers as markers and jump between them (like 
markers in vi).  Point-to-register is bound to C-x /, jump-to-register 
is bound to C-x j.




--
 scott evans
 http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
 gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work

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Hello All

The company I work for uses SCO 5.0 as the operating System.  My question
is how to disable Xemacs Mail so that SCOmail can read mail and not Xemacs.

I just clicked on the mail button in Xemacs, and now I do not get my mail
through SCOmail.  Does anybody know what I need to do so I can get my mail
through SCOmail and disable Xemacs mail.

Thanks In Advance

Lance

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From: David Rudder <drig@magicweb.com>
To: Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com>
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Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
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On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Scott Evans wrote:

> > I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
> > flip between the two easily.  
> > 
> > I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
> > much screen real estate.
> 
> Why not just split the frame?  Use C-x 2, then use C-x o to go back
> and forth between the two views.  Very nice.

Because I like having as much screen real estate as possible.  Plus, the 
scrolling movement reminds me more of what the program is doing, making 
it easier to follow.  Sorta a mental thing for me, but it helps me work.

> 
> You could also use registers as markers and jump between them (like 
> markers in vi).  Point-to-register is bound to C-x /, jump-to-register 
> is bound to C-x j.

That sounds great.  Another guy (I forget his name and I'm too lazy to 
look it up...the response was posted) suggested using marks, and that 
works as well.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
>  scott evans
>  http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
>  gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work
> 
> 

			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

I got a coffee mug from Cray Research when they moved out.  Now I can 
drink my coffee while doing 63 other, unrelated tasks.


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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

 [Putting insertion of xface as optional & prompted when sending]

giacomo> i cannot see other implications of the hook switch, but i'd
giacomo> like to hear your opinion

It doesn't work with Gnus :-(.
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On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Peter Pezaris wrote:

> Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
> C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
> exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
> deactivate the region.
> 
> Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
> (i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
> mark.
> 
> Better way: use a package suited for this sort of thing
> like bookmarks.el (there are probably others too).
> 
> -Pez
> 
> 

Perfect!!! Thanks a lot!  I'll check out the bookmarks.el, but the simple 
method is exactly what I wanted, so I don't imagine anything more is 
needed.  You win my mark of "Emacs Guru" :)

			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

I got a coffee mug from Cray Research when they moved out.  Now I can 
drink my coffee while doing 63 other, unrelated tasks.


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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Standard solution for the problem of filling text with '>'s in it?
Date: 05 Nov 1996 23:18:07 +0000
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* Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu>
| Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in email
| or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or other quoting?
| For instance, how would you fill this text (assuming fill-column of 20):
:
| Defining paragraph-start and paragraph-separate to allow the '>'
| characters at least fixes the problem of having the filled text have '>'s
| interspersed in the middle of lines, but the wrapped text doesn't have
| the proper fill-prefix.

I haven't done this (I use these settings globally, and can't require any
of the typical quotation prefixes), but here are my settings:

  (setq-default fill-column 75)
  (setq-default sentence-end "[.?!][]\"')}]*[ \n]+")
  (setq-default paragraph-start "^[|:> \t]*$")
  (setq-default paragraph-separate (default-value 'paragraph-start))
  (setq adaptive-fill-regexp (substring (default-value 'paragraph-start) 1 -1))

`adaptive-fill-mode' defaults to t, but is buffer-local, and some modes
(e.g., lisp-mode) turn it off.

| I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.

the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.

#\Erik
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From: Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrv> Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
    >> could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend
    >> flaming XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but
    >> I have spent less

    Hrv> Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.  Your way is "I don't
    Hrv> flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible urge to
    Hrv> intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy
    Hrv> it really is".

Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.

Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.

Anyway, more to the point of the initial poster: I think that when you
begin with Emacs, then XEmacs is *much* better, as it really takes you
by the hand and helps you out with what you want to do by providing
easy access to a lot of functionnalities. It basically provides easy
means of configuring your Emacs environment into something you feel
comfortable with, without *requiring* you to spend most of your time
digging out the features you want (now, if you *really* want to dig,
you still can ;-).

If you already are a "power user", I don't think there is that
much of a difference as for the text editing part. Most things can be
done in both Emacsen, albeit differently sometimes. As for other
functionnalities, such as embedded graphics/windows, integration with
X, etc..., XEmacs is far superior, IMO. The only tradeoff:
speed... But I'm quite confident: it will someday be history, either
because XEmacs will have been more optimized, or because the machine on
which I work will be fast enough I won't notice anymore ;-).

Richard

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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:

    Steve> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    Steve> --------------47DE7B5B7212 Content-Type: text/plain;
    Steve> charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

    Steve> The session had been running a while on and HP715 running
    Steve> HP-UX9.01.  The binary was down loaded from the HP archives
    Steve> at Liverpool.

    Steve> The crash occured when attempting a find file with the
    Steve> popup widget.  At this stage the session hung and failed to
    Steve> respond to X event (eg Expose didn't cause a redraw).  The
    Steve> first sympton was the scroll bar disappearing from the
    Steve> popup widget.

Just looked on the archive, and all I saw was a *9.05* binary. not
sure it is even supposed to run correctly on 9.01...

Richard.

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From: Rick Braumoeller <rickb@litotes.mti.sgi.com>
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 hangs in select on Irix 6.2
Date: 05 Nov 1996 16:28:56 -0800
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A few times each week, I wind up with a wedged xemacs that won't
resond to anything short of SIGHUP or SIGTERM. When I dbx the sucker,
it looks like it's stuck in select:

litotes /tmp > dbx -p 28648
dbx version 7.1 Sep 13 1996 02:14:51
Process 28648 (xemacs) stopped at [_select:12 +0x8,0xfa47fcc]
         Source (of select.s) not available for Process 28648
(dbx) t
>  0 _select(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["select.s":12, 0xfa47fcc]
   1 IoWait(0x7ffef9dc, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":350, 0xf67fcc4]
   2 _XtWaitForSomething(0x101b9c00, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":623, 0xf67f1ec]
   3 XtAppProcessEvent(0x101b9c00, 0xf, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":1434, 0xf69de94]
   4 emacs_Xt_next_event(0x1067e248, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-Xt.c":2056, 0x55a06c]
   5 event_stream_next_event(0x1067e248, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":473, 0x488e9c]
   6 next_event_internal(0x1067e248, 0x1067e248, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":1839, 0x48b8a0]
   7 Fsleep_for(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x1067e248, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":2491, 0x48cc60]
   8 primitive_funcall(0x48cb20, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffefd5c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   9 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   10 funcall_recording_as(0x10136924, 0x1, 0x7ffefd58, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   11 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   12 Fbyte_code(0x3039cdb0, 0x403e7500, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   13 funcall_lambda(0x103e6e04, 0x1, 0x7ffeff84, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   14 funcall_recording_as(0x103ec334, 0x1, 0x7ffeff80, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   15 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   16 Fbyte_code(0x3039cac8, 0x403e7400, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   17 funcall_lambda(0x103e6e44, 0x0, 0x7fff01a4, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   18 funcall_recording_as(0x103ec0c4, 0x0, 0x7fff01a0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   19 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   20 Fbyte_code(0x3040bc9c, 0x4040d800, 0x0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   21 primitive_funcall(0x450e18, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff03a8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3488, 0x47e2a0]
   22 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   23 Feval(0x2030ae6c, 0x7ffef858, 0x3, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3064, 0x47d0b8]
   24 internal_catch(0x1016c8c4, 0x47c8ac, 0x2030ae6c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1347, 0x479a9c]
   25 Fbyte_code(0x3040bcd8, 0x403ef840, 0x8d, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":645, 0x451980]
   26 funcall_lambda(0x10357884, 0x2, 0x7fff08ac, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   27 funcall_recording_as(0x101b7544, 0x2, 0x7fff08a8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   28 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   29 Fbyte_code(0x3040ca74, 0x4040e500, 0x2, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   30 funcall_lambda(0x10357904, 0x1, 0x7fff09f0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   31 apply_lambda(0x10357904, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   32 Feval(0x202f3c8c, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3068, 0x47d0f8]
   33 Fprogn(0x202f3c7c, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   34 Flet(0x202f3c94, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":920, 0x478ca4]
   35 Feval(0x202f3cdc, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":2992, 0x47cdfc]
   36 Fprogn(0x202f3c74, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   37 funcall_lambda(0x202f3c04, 0x1, 0x7fff0ef0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3628, 0x47ead4]
   38 apply_lambda(0x202f3c04, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   39 Feval(0x20b53864, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3086, 0x47d1ec]
   40 Fprogn(0x20b53854, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   41 Feval(0x20b5386c, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":2992, 0x47cdfc]
   42 primitive_funcall(0x47c8ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff13dc, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   43 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   44 funcall_recording_as(0x1013670c, 0x1, 0x7fff13d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   45 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   46 Fbyte_code(0x30298af8, 0x4032f460, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   47 funcall_lambda(0x10302fa4, 0x1, 0x7fff1518, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   48 apply_lambda(0x10302fa4, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   49 Feval(0x20b53874, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3068, 0x47d0f8]
   50 primitive_funcall(0x47c8ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff1844, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   51 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   52 funcall_recording_as(0x1013670c, 0x1, 0x7fff1840, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   53 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   54 Fbyte_code(0x30294148, 0x4032f520, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   55 primitive_funcall(0x450e18, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff1a38, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3488, 0x47e2a0]
   56 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   57 Feval(0x20185d6c, 0x7ffef858, 0x3, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3064, 0x47d0b8]
   58 condition_case_1(0x20185c94, 0x47c8ac, 0x20185d6c, 0x47a0f4) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   59 Fcondition_case_3(0x20185d6c, 0x1031152c, 0x20185c94, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1735, 0x47a338]
   60 Fbyte_code(0x30294394, 0x4036b840, 0x8f, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":655, 0x4519d0]
   61 funcall_lambda(0x10302f24, 0x2, 0x7fff1fb4, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   62 funcall_recording_as(0x102f5b04, 0x2, 0x7fff1fb0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   63 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   64 call2(0x102f5b04, 0x10397c00, 0x305fbcfc, 0x7fff1fb0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4010, 0x47f588]
   65 catch_them_squirmers_call2(0x20b538ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4542, 0x480bec]
   66 condition_case_1(0x10121064, 0x480b98, 0x20b538ac, 0x48005c) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   67 call2_trapping_errors(0x10019870, 0x102f5b04, 0x10397c00, 0x305fbcfc) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4606, 0x481008]
   68 read_process_output(0x10397c00, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/process.c":1652, 0x4fb310]
   69 execute_internal_event(0x10397c00, 0x7ffef858, 0x10347004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":2734, 0x48d3dc]
   70 Fdispatch_event(0x10347004, 0x7ffef858, 0x10347004, 0x101c1900) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":3820, 0x48f65c]
   71 Fcommand_loop_1(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":542, 0x4597fc]
   72 command_loop_1(0x10121004, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":462, 0x45953c]
   73 condition_case_1(0x10121064, 0x4594f4, 0x10121004, 0x458c38) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   74 command_loop_3(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":224, 0x458df4]
   75 command_loop_2(0x10121004, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":235, 0x458e60]
   76 internal_catch(0x10133da4, 0x458e40, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1347, 0x479a9c]
   77 initial_command_loop(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":273, 0x4590b0]
   78 main_1(0x1, 0x7fff2e44, 0x7fff2e4c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c":1317, 0x4761a4]
   79 main(0xf, 0x7fff2e44, 0x7fff2e4c, 0x1) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c":1461, 0x4766c8]
   80 __istart() ["crt1tinit.s":13, 0x43ef50]
(dbx) 0x7ffef858/X
7ffef858:  00000000
(dbx) 0x7ffef8d8/X            
7ffef8d8:  00000000

(I'm a little confused by that select call. It looks like it's passing
in 0xf as the set of flags for file descriptors that it's interested
in, which would be FD's 0-3. But of the three sets of FD's to select
on, the read and write FD sets are empty, and the exception set is the
null set.)

At the Lisp level, it looks like I'm stuck in a sleep-for call. Has
anybody else seen this behavior? Any luck fixing it?

Thanks...

--
Rick Braumoeller
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
rickb@sgi.com

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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
> command (keystroke)?
> 

C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  
There are also different  'hot' areas on the modeline that respond to 
the second mouse button.  If you move your mouse along the mode line, 
messages will pop up telling you what you can do (depending on you major 
mode etc.) clicking on the blue buffer name with button 2 will cycle 
you to the next buffer.  You can just keep clicking till you get where you 
want to go.  With several frames and several buffers, VM, GNUS etc. 
all open it can get confusing but it's still a useful function.


-- 
Graham Todd    http://www.yorku.ca/academics/gtodd                         
York University, Toronto ON Canada              

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

Erik> XEmacs is more drawn to the C style of programming, where the
Erik> Lisp is merely an extension language, and all the real work is
Erik> done at the C level.  Emacs is more drawn to the Lisp style of
Erik> programming, where Lisp is the real language, and C is just
Erik> necessary to implement the Lisp system and to optimize some
Erik> often-used processes, such as the redisplay engine.  this
Erik> difference permeates many aspects of each of the Emacsen.

Would you care to reconcile this statement with the current minibuffer
and command loop implementations of the Emacsen?  My growing suspicion
is that most of the current performance differences (Emacs 19.34 -vs-
XEmacs 19.14) are due to XEmacs putting too much code in Lisp that is
coded in C in Emacs.

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
> | Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend

Then how come I find that your participation in otherwise useful
discussions about XEmacs results in a flame war?  Is it you, or is it
everyone else?  But of course, *I* am the one who is insane.

> | Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible
> | urge to intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it
> | really is".
> excellent!  this will score you several points in the XEmacs crowd.  never
> mind that it utterly and completely false.  never mind that this is the
> kind of foul lie and idiotic exaggeration that virtually _defines_ how a
> good XEmacs user should behave towards the Enemy.  never mind that you are
> trying to portray me as something I am not, have never been, and never will
> be.  never mind that "intervene in every discussion about XEmacs" is such a
> silly exaggeration that even XEmacs users must be embarrassed.

Why don't you just refute my judgments, instead of speaking of "XEmacs
users behaving towards the Enemy"?  Your tone doesn't help the
discussion...  When I asked you to list some of those terrible XEmacs
bugs and asked why they don't happen to other people, you never
answered.

> I'm also saddened to see that it is so hard for an XEmacs user to
> distinguish between the lies and exaggerations and fraudulent marketing of
> XEmacs on the one hand and XEmacs itself on the other.  XEmacs is as good
> as any commercially hyped product, probably even better.  it is the
> despicable idiots who defend it, who lie about it, who do anything they can
> to hurt Emacs and the Free Software Foundation that is crappy.  people
> who's motives are destruction, whose character is of the same kind as Bill
> Gates', who also seeks to destroy his competition instead of being better
> than them on his own terms, the kind of scum who fights to win at all
> costs, no matter how large, not to improve or create anything.

Later in your article you request that I cool down.  Judging by the
quoted paragraph, you should be the one to cool down.  Defending
XEmacs is *not* the same as lying about it, hurting GNU Emacs and the
FSF, destroy, act like B.G., etc.  Seeing your other articles about
Emacs, I consider you a highly intelligent and competent person (in
spite of people from the "crowd" warning me otherwise).  I cannot
fathom how you can produce such rubbish as the paragraph above.

> | Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
> | hostile.
> wow!  this must be a ten-point exaggeration with the XEmacs crowd.

I may have not been clear enough -- hostilities against XEmacs.

> you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how

Ha -- calm down!  This one is good. :)

> again, I'm not an XEmacs user, and I don't use the word "braindamaged" and
> "truth" in the same sentence:
> | OK, but then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
> | braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?
> you don't understand the word "braindamaged".  look it up.

Are you sure you understood the sentence (in its context)?  I'll try
to explain, just in case you really did not understand.  If your
opinion is that XEmacs is bad and evil, and you feel free to say all
you think about it (which you consider the truth) without the least
bit of tactfulness, then other people have the right to behave the
same way to GNU Emacs -- just say whatever they think about it, using
the ugly terms like "braindamaged".  Get it?

> you might find it instructive to read what I _actually_ write, instead of
> inventing the crap you wish I had written.  I have never said any of the
> utterly stupid things you attribute to me.
> just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
> it's as simple as that.

I have tried, *very* hard, to read what you actually write.  I have
tried to find somewhere within it a person who only wishes to discuss
two pieces of software.  But I haven't.  All your posts concerning
XEmacs are full of general and personal insults to your
correspondents, and are not in the least helpful -- but you know it
quite well.  I am sorry about that, but I cannot change it.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in
Dan> email or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or
Dan> other quoting?  For instance, how would you fill this text
Dan> (assuming fill-column of 20):

This is a wheel that has already been invented. :-)

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

Works with Gnus and both Emacsen.
-- 
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From: Susan Osofsky <susano@adobe.com>
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I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,  
ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e., gdb
doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to 
gdb-control-c-subjob.   If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob, nothing
happens either.

Any suggestions?

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From: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Just to toss in my random 2 cents, I use emacs rather than Xemacs primarily
because I already had it before Xemacs showed up, and because even emacs has
too many features. Most of my .emacs file is dedicated to turning off and
utterly squashing all the thousands (sometimes it seems *billions*) of
"helpful" features that are configured by default. If I used Xemacs, I'd
just have a lot more stuff to disable :-).

Now if someone would produce an emacs that does realtime garbage collection
and supports multi-threaded lisp so things like GNUS could be doing hairy
header processing in one buffer while I can still edit a file in another
buffer, now *that's* a feature that would get me to switch emacsen!
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From: Kevin Ford <ksford@darkstar.nps.navy.mil>
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Subject: Re: Mailcrypt in 19.14 won't decrypt a message
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Didn't see this the first time I tried to post-

Maybe this time...


Kevin Ford <ksford@darkstar.nps.navy.mil> writes:

> 
> Hi All--
> 
> I've just upgraded from 19.13 to 19.14, and find that mailcrypt
> running with VM won't decrypt a message for me.  19.13 did this fine,
> and 19.14 seems to do some other things ok (encrypt, and fetch keys),
> but it won't decrypt a message, snarf keys, or verify a signature.
> Anonymous remailing functions also work fine.  The message it poops
> out in the mini-buffer is longer than the single line in the
> mini-buffer (how can I read all of these, and cut and paste them?),
> but here's what the first line says:
> 
> Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc")
> nil "...(2)"
> 
> Any clues on how to fix this?
> 
> Thanks in advance, and please email in addition to posting.
> 
> Woops!  One other -- somebody posted a URL to get the fixed cc-mode.el
> which avoids a bug that somebody just mentioned.  The URL was
> http://www.python.org/pub/emacs, but there is no such link.
> 
> Anyone know where to find this fixed version of cc-mode.el?  I'll be
> needing it very soon.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
>  Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
> ____________________________________________
> __________________
> 
> Excessive login or logout messages are a sure sign of senility.
> 
> _______________________
> ____________Kevin S Ford__________
> _____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________
> 
> 

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
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____________________________________________
__________________

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_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________


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Help!

How do you type in accented characters with xemacs?
With emacs I could just type:  iso-accents-mode
but this doens't work with xemacs!
Help!

thanks,

Sean

-- 
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Hey there xemacs guru's,

I would have recently installed xemacs 19.14 and the common stuff 19.43
too.
To do this I just tar zxvf from the /usr/local directory as reccomended.
However when I run xemacs I get an error message and then immediatley
afterwards a segmentation violation. (No window appears, just a message
on stderr, then boom).

the message is as follows:
/usr/local/bin/i486-unknown-linuxelf/xemacs: can't resolve
symbol'_h_errno'


Please help, I don't want to continue using vi. 

			Paul J. Rider.

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           Changes to the XEmacs FAQ for the Month of October 1996
                                       
Modified Questions

    1. Q4.2.3 September 24 (Correction to toolbar function)
       
New Questions

    1. Q4.0.12 October 13 (VM Meta FAQ)
    2. Q4.3.5 October 1 (Location of pstogif program)
       
Deleted Questions

Other Changes

   Corrected Ben Wing's email address.

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <ben@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?

   There are currently irreconcilable differences in the views about
   technical, programming, design and organizational matters between RMS
   and the XEmacs development team which provide little hope for a merge
   to take place in the short-term future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <ben@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
          + Q6.0.2 Printing problems in XEmacs 19.14
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Printing problems in 19.14

   There have been widespread reports of printing problems in XEmacs
   19.14. There is one nasty bug that also appears in GNU Emacs, that may
   be causing difficulties.
   
   If you are having troubles with postscript printing, go into the file
   lisp/packages/ps-print.el and look for the variable ps-print-prologue.
   There are four bogus comment lines that look like:
    1. % \20x
    2. % \24x
    3. % \30x
    4. % \34x
       
   Just delete them, and rebytecompile the file by typing at the command
   line:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile ps-print.el

   This change should allow you to print postscript. Please note that
   this bug also appears in GNU Emacs 19.34.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
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                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
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Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
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Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

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Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
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Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
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Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
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Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
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                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
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Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
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Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
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Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
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Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
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Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
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Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
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Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

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Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   

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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.3.5 was updated on October 7.
    2. Q4.0.12 was added on October 13.
       
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
               o Q4.0.12 Customization of VM not covered in the manual or
                 here [new]
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
               o Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)?
                 [updated]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
               o Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.12 Customization of VM not covered in the manual, or here [new]

   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> writes:
   The meta-answer is to look into the file vm-vars.el, in the vm
   directory of the lisp library.
   
   vm-vars.el contains, initializes and carefully describes, with
   examples of usage, the plethora of user options that fully control
   VM's behavior.
   
   Enter vm-vars, forward-search for toolbar, find the variables that
   control the toolbar placement, appearance, existence, copy to your
   .emacs or .vm and modify according to the detailed instructions.
   
   The above also applies to all the various features of VM: search for
   some keywords, maybe the first you conjure isn't appropriate, find the
   appropriate variables, copy and experiment.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [updated]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (interactive)
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [updated]

   pstogif is part of the latex2html package.
   
   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   latex2html is best found at the CTAN hosts and their mirrors in
   tex-archive/support/latex2html.
   
   CTAN hosts are
     * <URL:ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/support/latex2html/>.
     * <URL:ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/support/latex2html/>.
       
   there is a good mirror at ftp.cdrom.com.
   
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/tex/ctan/support/latex2html/>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...
   
   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off?
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off?
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off?
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
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                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn this off?

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

   David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:
   If you have 19.14 or later, try this instead; you'll still get the
   function name displayed in the modeline, but it won't attempt to keep
   track when you modify the file. To refresh when it gets out of synch,
   you simply need click on the Rescan Buffer option in the
   function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

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Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

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Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off?

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off?

   Like this:
(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

   Thanks to T. V. Raman <raman@adobe.com> for assistance in deriving
   this answer.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.3.4 was updated on October 15.
       
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame?
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs?
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
               o Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hangs when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
                 [updated]
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?
               o Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame?

   If you set the gnuserv-frame variable to the frame that should be used
   to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs?

   Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes; Emacs has a legacy of keyboards
   that produced characters with modifier bits, and therefore map a
   variety of input systems into this scheme even today. XEmacs is
   instead optimized for X events. This causes an incompatibility in the
   way key sequences are specified, but both Emacs and XEmacs will accept
   a key sequence as a vector of lists of modifiers that ends with a key,
   e.g., to bind M-C-a, you would say [(meta control a)] in both Emacsen.
   XEmacs has an abbreviated form for a single key, just (meta control
   a). Emacs has an abbreviated form for the Control and the Meta
   modifiers to string-characters (the ASCII characters), as in
   "\M-\C-a". XEmacs users need to be aware that the abbreviated form
   works only for one-character key sequences, while Emacs users need to
   be aware that the string-character is rather limited. Specifically,
   the string-character can accomodate only 256 different values, 128 of
   which have the Meta modifier and 128 of which have not. In each of
   these blocks, only 32 characters have the Control modifier. Whereas
   [(meta control A)] differs from [(meta control a)] because the case
   differs, "\M-\C-a" and "\M-\C-A" do not. Programmers are advised to
   use the full common form, both because it is more readable and less
   error-prone, and because it is supported by both Emacsen.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?

   Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data
                           (buffer-substring
                           (point-min)
                           (point-max)))))

   The thing I couldn't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
   from the contents - like it does for files. So it's a real pain to
   extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-1"))

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use. Note also that some
   versions of a2ps require a -Pprinter to ensure spooling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?

   For regular printing there are two variables that can be customized.
   
   lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes standard input and
          sends it to a printer. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-command "lp")

   lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list that contains whatever the print
          command requires to do its job. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-switches '("-depson"))

   For postscript printing there are three analogous variables to
   customize.
   
   ps-lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes postscript on
          standard input and directs it to a postscript printer.
          
   ps-lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list of switches required for
          ps-lpr-command to do its job.
          
   ps-print-color-p
          This boolean variable should be set t if printing will be done
          in color, otherwise it should be set to nil.
          
   NOTE: It is an undocumented limitation in XEmacs 19.14 that postscript
   printing (the Pretty Print Buffer menu item) requires a window system
   environment. It cannot be used outside of X11.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 4 Part 6 =>

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry)
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Subject: Lisp nesting problem with OOBR?
Date: 6 Nov 1996 06:16:33 GMT
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Hello,

I have been trying to get the OOBR to work for an Obj-C project
I am working on. I read through the info on how to create the environment
and followed the directions. For my Library directory I put 
'/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux/2.7.2.1/include/objc/' and for
my System directories I put the directories for my files and the 
include directory for the developement package I am using (I am using
the Swarm artificial life package, so this was ~/alife/swarm/include,
and my files were in ~/alife/network-sim/).

The OOBR seems to build ok (no errors), but when I go to run it, it
acts busy (listing various .h & .m files in the status area) but
then stops with this error:

Lisp nesting exceeds 'max-lisp-eval-depth'

I would greatly appreciate any advice/recommendations on how I can fix
this. The Docs make the OOBR really sound like an interesting tool and
I am looking forward to try it out.

Thanks in advance,

John Eikenberry
(jae@ai.uga.edu)
______________________________________________________________
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order
 will deserve neither and lose both."

					 --B. Franklin

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From: adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams)
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
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Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:

: Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
: slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
: iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.

I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.

Sean
sadams@mail.metro.net
adams@zippy.sonoma.edu

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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 10:13:52 +0100
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
> my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
> new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have

More that 4000 hours a year? Let's see, that's 11 hours a day, every
single day of the year (with no time off for lunch or using the
lavatory). A 77 hour week 52 weeks of the year. No days off for
Christmas, Yom Kippur, or vacations. How long has this been going on?

Either you are a close relative of Clark Kent, or we have to take
whatever you write with a 1000 hour a year pinch of salt. 

-- 
David Barr.

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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

> it is most emphatically not my fault that you puke when you read views that
> don't match your own prejudices, and neither is it my vomit you're staring
> into afterwards.  please be so kind as to clean up your lunch with some
> appropriate material instead of sending it to me.  thank you.
> 
> good day, David.  I'm glad you're an XEmacs user.  that means the chances
> of ever having the pleasure of meeting you again is minimized.  I would
> also appreciate if you did your part to ensure that I won't.  please?

Uh oh, Erik, just don't stress *this* argument.  You'll scare hosts of
people away from GNU Emacs.

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> | I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.
> 
> the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.

Reminds me of the MS help file entry if the install process
found an OS/2 partition:

How to remove an OS/2 partition and upgrade it to MSDOS 6.2.

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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Subject: how to assign new function to existing toolbar icon? (this is not in the FAQ)
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I am running xemacs 19.14. It displays in its toolbar an icon labelled
'replace' which is bound to query-replace. I would like to have it 
rebound to query-replace-regexp. How can this be done?

-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
business: ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de
private:  ronald.fischer@acm.org
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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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>>"EN" == Erik Naggum schrieb am Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:07:29 GMT:
In article <3056191611825468@naggum.no> erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

 EN> I have one suggestion to whoever wrote the marketing crap for
 EN> XEmacs: stop comparing yourself to Emacs.  just do your _own_ job
 EN> well.

I guess the marketing might have to do with the FAQ: why are there two
versions of Emacs around. Everybody claims to have it pros over the
other and it's quite obvious that you are not very happy with what the
XEmacs people consider as a plus compared to GNU Emacs.

[flame bashing deleted]

 EN> | If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine.  But to suggest that
 EN> XEmacs is | better suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and
 EN> GNU Emacs to | advanced and/or power-users is just plain wrong
 EN> and insulting.

??? I couldn't find what you state in Erik's post. Perhaps you should
read it again with less anger ?

 EN> XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and
 EN> users from the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has
 EN> focused on being as feature-rich out of the box as possible.
 EN> Emacs demands that you turn on those features you want, after you
 EN> have read about them.  XEmacs is recommended by people who are

Okay - let's argue over the question if it is better to have a
feature-rich-out-of-the-box Xemacs or a
ensure-that-you-know-what-you-are-doing-GNU Emacs. It seems to me that
you are on the GNU Emacs side (and I guess I know why :) but let me
take a close look. What follows is strictly my IMHO.

0) In the real world (and this can be found at universities, too)
people usually are bothered with solving problems. What they need
therefore are tools for helping them solving this problems. What
Microsoft shows us is that tools can be very much of a hinderance when
they don't work as expected. And this is a crucial point for the
discussion. 

1) Stability is a must. It should not happen (but it does in
XEmacs sometimes) that a tool fails with such friendly messages as
wrong-type argument 1 string-p or something like that. So this might be a
point for GNU Emacs (although I don't use GNU Emacs very much, but I
had to fix several things with the XEmacs  19.14). 

2) The next point is something I would like to coin instant
usabilty. What XEmacs does is provide a lot of features which can be
used even by novices by the way of giving lots of fancy stuff and
doing a lot of things out-of-the-box. This is IMHO a good thing
because people want to solve a problem and not use an editor for fun
(well, one could argue on the last half of the sentence .. :-) What I
see happening here is that people use GNU Emacs (being novices) and that they
don't use many of the tons of good features Emacs has because they
don't know about it. The general attitude is that configuring and
learning using the tool (Emacs and the mode for example) requires too
much time they would like to rather spend on solving problems. And
this is the down side of GNU Emacs: you must read the manual (and read
on and learn on how to use special features of this and that mode and
how to hit which series of keys and .. you get the idea) before you
can solve your problem. So, to qoute Erik again:

 EN> moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that
 EN> they should be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never
 EN> used the term "lazy" in a negative sense.  you did.

XEmacs with his fancy buttons and stuff allows novice users (or to
frequent users) to keep the learning curve less steep. (And note that
GNu Emacs also goes more into the direction of helping users with
menues). 

3) My personal conclusion: I don't consider the trade-offs of XEmacs
(less stability and greater use of resources) to be bad enough not to
use XEmacs. I would use GNU Emacs probably only when I had not
enough memory in my computer. It would be really fancy if one could
have an XEmacs which is equally small (and equally stable, perhaps). 
XEmacs allows me to learn over time and to take a close look at things
when I have the time for that but allows me to get a lot of my work
done even if I do not know every command by heart.

Just my 2c,

 Holger
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(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: search-menu.el
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:52:44 -0800
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Bryan Kramer wrote:
> 
> I've been getting a lot of requests for the location of my
> search-menu.el package, a package that opens a small window with fields
> for search and replace in xemacs (like modern word processor dialog
> boxes). It also contains a general mechanism for interpreting a data
> structure for creating different dialog boxes.

Hi Bryan,

first of all thanks a lot for this great package! I installed it and it
works fine but I came up with two (minor) suggestions for the code:

1) it might be a good idea to provide the user with some setup-hook to
enable him/her to make changes

(defvar searchm-setup-hook nil
  "Hook to run after searchm-setup-buffer")

and 
(run-hooks 'searchm-setup-hook)
somewhere in searchm-setup-buffer

2) I included a (kill-buffer searchm-control-buffer) in searchm-dismiss:
(defun searchm-dismiss ()
  (let* ((window (get-buffer-window searchm-control-buffer t))
	 (frame (and (windowp window) (window-frame window))))
    (kill-buffer searchm-control-buffer)
    (if (framep frame)
	(delete-frame frame))))
Now the package deinstalls completely and no extra buffer is left
over...

Furthermore the function my-message is missing. On compile I get the
error 'my-message not known to be defined'. It is used in
searchm-lookat-readonly. Probably I could substitute 'message' for this
(as stated in the code somewhere)?

Bye,
Thomas
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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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David Barr <david@oren.co.il> writes:

> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> 
> > please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> > articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> > more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
> > my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
> > new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have
> 
> More that 4000 hours a year? Let's see, that's 11 hours a day, every
> single day of the year (with no time off for lunch or using the
> lavatory). A 77 hour week 52 weeks of the year. No days off for
> Christmas, Yom Kippur, or vacations. How long has this been going on?
> 
> Either you are a close relative of Clark Kent, or we have to take
> whatever you write with a 1000 hour a year pinch of salt. 

Or we have an answer to the question "do you call people names the way
like that when you are talking face to face with them, insult them
that way, carry on that arrogant, etc etc."

He has no time left over for personal relations, so the question does
not make sense.

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Hi,

What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??

Say I decide that I'd like to change my font to 'fixed'
(even thought I can not find any italic fonts for it ...)
and then I do 'Save Options' ... it tells me on the modline
that it has written to ~/.emacs and ~/.xemacs-options

But when I have look in ~/.xemacs-options I find that there
are references to 'courier' fonts and _none_ to 'fixed'.

So if I restart Xemacs I have the courier fonts again!

How I get around this is to manually edit the damn thing,
change all couriers to fixed and change all -i- to -r-
as there seems to be no fixed-italic fonts (????)

Anyway, am I doing something wrong where?

TIA,

	Rob -

ps: please CC: me!

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Then how come I find that your participation in otherwise useful
| discussions about XEmacs results in a flame war?

because you (1) only remember it when you see a flame, and (2) only read
articles in comp.emacs.xemacs from me when they are crossposted from other
Emacs groups.  you draw your conclusions on known insufficient grounds.

| I have tried, *very* hard, to read what you actually write.  I have tried
| to find somewhere within it a person who only wishes to discuss two
| pieces of software.  But I haven't.  All your posts concerning XEmacs are
| full of general and personal insults to your correspondents, and are not
| in the least helpful -- but you know it quite well.  I am sorry about
| that, but I cannot change it.

once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
I came into this debate as a complete novice, I tried to understand, I
asked around, I irritated a lot of people by poking in the wrong places and
found a lot of sore spots, but almost all of them in the XEmacs crowd.  I
was told that I was defending RMS, that I would get sick of it, just like
they had been, that RMS is impossible to work with (obviously due to a bad
filksong).  I tried to learn, but what did I learn?  I learned that the
XEmacs crowd is obsessed with denouncing Emacs, RMS, and _anybody_ who
worked or works on Emacs and Emacs design and who hasn't seen "the light".
I learned that the Emacs crowd behaves as if XEmacs does not exist, mostly
because the XEmacs crowd behaves like a bunch of idiots when it comes to
discussing Emacs.  well, I didn't like what I saw.

I have looked at XEmacs seriously for about three weeks (full time), and I
have read the XEmacs Lisp Reference Manual.  I have very serious doubts
about hundreds of design decisions in XEmacs, in particular the misguided
data abstraction they engage in.  (if it were such a good idea, why aren't
there any `defstruct' or `defclass' in XEmacs Lisp, only at the C level?
obviously, it is not a good idea at all -- the only point in hiding stuff
in C is that Ben Wing and others didn't want bonehead programmers to fuck
with internals.)  if encapsulation is such a grand objective, why haven't
XEmacs Lisp implemented Common Lisp's package-concept or something like it?
all they have done is reorganize the directory structure and call the flat
structure in Emacs "braindamaged" or worse.  XEmacs is a C program with a
very complex Lisp extension language, whereas Emacs is a Lisp program with
a C stratum.  XEmacs Lisp has hundreds more functions implemented in C than
Emacs Lisp has, and most of those are there to access data structures.
again, if data abstraction is such a good idea, why doesn't XEmacs Lisp
uniformly use `setf' forms instead of creating _tons_ of setter functions?
if the design in Emacs was so bad, why the hell have they only improved on
minor things in it?  there are _lots_ of ways to _really_ improve Emacs
Lisp, which any good Lisp programmer can enumerate standing on one foot!  I
found _none_ of them in XEmacs.  all I found was bitching and moaning about
how keymaps were lists and vectors in Emacs and a "real" abstract data type
in XEmacs.  now, what difference does _that_ make?  who _cares_?

unlike most of the vocal XEmacs folks, I respect the fact that GNU Emacs is
RMS's brainchild.  XEmacs was created because of differences in attitude to
a lot of things.  the discussions (which I read in full when I was looking
for an explanation for the hostilities), showed me two sides who were
equally stubborn and at times childish, but I found that RMS was able to
spell out _why_ he thought the way he did, and the renegades were not.  I
found an idea about a grand design (larger than Emacs alone) at work in
RMS' messages where I found discontent, rebelliousness and impatience in
the renegades'.  I _also_ found a desire to modernize the user interface in
the renegade camp, but the only real difference was the speed at which it
would be done, one side seeking to minimize the ramifications involved, the
other careless about such consequences.  I have had discussions with a few
people in the XEmacs camp who are exceptionally bright, I have talked with
a few good XEmacs people on the phone, but every time I see a discussion of
Emacs in the XEmacs camp, it's always that gloating "we're so superior,
you're so inferior" that armies and politicians engage in when they know
they are about to lose.  I wondered, what is it that the XEmacs crowd is
afraid of?  what is it that they fear will happen to them?  then I realized
it.  there is room for two cooperating Emacsen, but not for two competing
ones, and they have chosen to compete.  I don't think they'll survive, and
they fear they won't.  they have taken free software, grafted on a lot of
improvements, some solid, some experimental, and through either ill will or
incompetence made it harder to integrate the improvements back into the
host, which continues to develop at a fast pace.  they haven't cared about
copyrights as much as they should have, but they have in consequence been
more welcome to people who only wanted to make some small improvements that
FSF's copyright policies made just that one bit too hard or inconvenient.
quite contrary to the goal of protecting code from destructive influences
from people who didn't know what they were doing, from looking at XEmacs
code, I found a wide variety of styles and much evidence of spliced-in
code.  in Emacs, such is restricted to individual packages.  in tracking
the source code for Emacs (I mirror it to my own system, and build new
Emacs versions to test and verify changes daily), I see many small
aesthetic improvements in the vicinity of bugs that were fixed.  despite
what the XEmacs renegades say, there is a strong sense of _elegance_ in
Emacs, an elegance that I find totally lacking in XEmacs, which bears all
the evidence of a system whose primary goal is to make it _work_.

to me, free software is the idea that programmers should be able to read
source code like authors read other books before they write their own, like
playwrights go to the theater, like all other areas of creative exercises
in our society are based on learning from the masters.  this means that the
masters must focus on one thing: never willingly produce something that is
way under par.  in the commercial software world, "we need it yesterday,
there's no time for your complaints about ugly solutions" is the standard
attitude.  "there's never time to do it right, but always time to fix it."
you know how it goes.  I see free software as an objection to the low
quality that permeates the software industry, and as a chance to show
students of programming how this trade of ours _could_ be performed.  I see
the XEmacs code quality as more "modern" in the sense that it uses coding
techniques that improve nothing, slow things down, and only make it harder
to understand what's going on, just like the _massive_ "API"s in most
window systems basically makes it impossible to wrap your head around
what's going on, even if you wanted to.  if your goal is to write code that
is "encapsulated" so others aren't supposed to mess with your code, that's
fine, but it's also different from the goal of free software, which has as
its primary goal to be readable, understandable, _modifiable_, sharable.
if you have to rebuild XEmacs from the sources just to tweak some small
thing, you don't do it.  and people don't generally tweak XEmacs.  lots of
people have written me, explaining in great detail that they prefer XEmacs
because it works better out of the box than Emacs does, and that they can
grab binaries instead of having to compile it.  (of course, they haven't
tried to install any recent Emacs versions, but that's to be expected.)
thus, a fundamental issue in free software is actively threatened by
XEmacs.  I do think this is at least as bad as the excessive hype that
still emenates from the XEmacs camp.  this is also part of my rejection of
XEmacs.  as the binary-only commercial product it aspires to be it would
probably be great, but it is not a commercial product.  it's supposed to be
free software for aspiring programmers to learn from.  being told that so
and so is "superior" and so and so is "inferior" is a very bad idea if you
want to help people understand.  if you wish to increase your sales
figures, people don't have to understand.  all these comparisons are done
by people so biased that they have no value, and they make it harder for
people to make their own comparisons.  I have, and look at what the XEmacs
people do: they don't tolerate the least bit of criticism of their abstract
data types with hundreds of unnecessarily complex functions to use them.

(before someone sticks his head up telling me I do the same: I answered a
question on a newsgroup, I didn't set up a high-profile web site with
propaganda.  I work on Emacs, I don't run a marketing campaign.  I wish
XEmacs people would work on XEmacs and not run marketing campaigns, too.)

thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

#\Erik
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Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior
> to xemacs.

1. Emacs is faster, specially on character-based terminals.
2. Emacs starts much faster.
3. Emacs is smaller, but that isn't noticeable for most users.
4. I don't remember in which *year* Emacs last crashed on me.  XEmacs
   has crashed on me or a user here every week for versions 19.12,
   19.13, and 19.14 (the latest version).  I have been told this is
   due to garbage-collection bugs, which are very difficult to debug.
5. The Emacs "core" is more stable.  I have found, however, that since
   the XEmacs maintainers include more packages in the "distributed"
   realease, the actual XEmacs system as a whole is more stable.  This
   really depends on the usage YOU make of Emacs/XEmacs.
6. Emacs has a shorter "debugging cycle" (i.e. patches are issued more
   often).  Some will argue this is because Emacs is released too
   soon, and requires more patches.  In practice, I have had very few
   answers to my bug reports in XEmacs (and no solution), while many
   of the bugs I reported for Emacs have resulted in quick patches.

Yet, I prefer XEmacs because I can do more with it, it is easier to
use, and because the users here prefer XEmacs (i.e. they *really*
wanted the nicer GUI).  Moreover, I don't have to install and maintain
as many packages "on the side", since XEmacs comes configured with
more packages.

I have to keep Emacs 19.28 around for the days when XEmacs crashes.

I have used 4 different Emacsen (Gosling, UniPress, Emacs, and
XEmacs), almost every day since 1985.
   

-- 
Martin Boyer                           http://www.robot.ireq.ca/Martin.Boyer/
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From: Saifi <saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in>
To: root <naderr@usa.net>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Saving options >>>
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On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, root wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??
> 
> Say I decide that I'd like to change my font to 'fixed'
> (even thought I can not find any italic fonts for it ...)
> and then I do 'Save Options' ... it tells me on the modline
> that it has written to ~/.emacs and ~/.xemacs-options
> 
> But when I have look in ~/.xemacs-options I find that there
> are references to 'courier' fonts and _none_ to 'fixed'.
> 
> So if I restart Xemacs I have the courier fonts again!
> 
> How I get around this is to manually edit the damn thing,
> change all couriers to fixed and change all -i- to -r-
> as there seems to be no fixed-italic fonts (????)
> 
> Anyway, am I doing something wrong where?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 	Rob -
> 
> ps: please CC: me!
> 
> //=======================================================
> // Robert Nader: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
> //=======================================================
> 

Hi everybody

	I have got exactly the same problem as Robert Nader. Can anyone 
of you out there, help me as well ?

with regards,
Saifi

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>>>>> On 04 Nov 1996, Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> said:

Sailesh> What I do is catchup with all the unread articles in the
Sailesh> group, go to the *Group* buffer and select the newsgroup
Sailesh> again. You are asked how many read articles you want to see,
Sailesh> and you select the number of articles in which you expect
Sailesh> yours to be. [...]

  There is a simpler (and faster) way, just do a C-u RET to enter the
group.  If you know how many articles you want (here 123 for example)
do C-u 123 RET.

Kim-Minh.

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Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes in a buffer?

I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.  I pipe the results to a
file, and then want to manually insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between
reports to make it easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have
not been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The workaround
is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed and then edit the file
with xemacs.  I thought I read somewhere about a command to insert ascii
codes or uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that information
for the life of me.

As a side note, how do I exit VI emulation without exiting xemacs?


-- 
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>>>>> "George" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    George> Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes
    George> in a buffer?  I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.
    George> I pipe the results to a file, and then want to manually
    George> insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between reports to make it
    George> easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have not
    George> been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The
    George> workaround is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed
    George> and then edit the file with xemacs.  I thought I read
    George> somewhere about a command to insert ascii codes or
    George> uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that
    George> information for the life of me.
C-q C-l
ie Control q quotes the next character

  

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I have been using Xemacs version 19.13 running on linux at home, and have 
recently ported version 19.14 to ptx v4.3 on a Symmetry machine at work.  On 
version 19.13 on linux, the toolbar is a nice gray with three-dimensional 
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(no 3-D) graphics on the buttons, although the scrollbars and other pieces are 
3-D, motif-style.

I assume this isn't a change from 19.13 to 19.14, can anyone tell me if and 
how this is configurable?

Thanks,
David


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Hello Everyone,

I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
learning all the time.

My question to you is:

Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
paper.

Thanks for your help,

PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

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Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:

> Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
> thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.
> 
> Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
> file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
> lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
> feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.
> 

At the risk of flame bait or thread drift (bg), can I set up a kill file 
for gnus, and if so, how?

Pat

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From: Johannes Geiss <jgeiss@wilma.qint.de>
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Subject: HELP: How to fold some lines?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 14:35:09 +0100
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Hi,

How can I automatically fold some lines in XEmacs?


Example:

	/*- Text -*/
	Line 1
	Line 2
	/**/

with fold-markers:

	start = "/*-"
	end   = "/**"

Result (something like this):

	> Text -*/


Please send you answer to jgeiss@qint.de

Thank you
Johannes
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From: Jens Lautenbacher <jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de>
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I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me. 
It should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a file
and then process the function ht-expand on this file.

I tried the following:

	xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

witch is modelled after

-----quote form Xemacs Ref Man---------

     Here is an advanced example that assumes you have a Lisp program
     file called `hack-c-program.el' which, when loaded, performs some
     useful operation on the current buffer, expected to be a C
     program.

	  xemacs -batch foo.c -l hack-c-program -f save-buffer -kill > log

     Here Emacs is told to visit `foo.c', load `hack-c-program.el'
     (which makes changes in the visited file), save `foo.c' (note
     that `save-buffer' is the function that `C-x C-s' is bound to),
     and then exit to the shell from which the command was executed.
     `-batch' guarantees there will be no problem redirecting output
     to `log', because Emacs will not assume that it has a display
     terminal to work with.

-----end quote form Xemacs Ref Man---------


But it doesn't work.

If I do

	xemacs -q index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand	

I can see that he has the following buffers: index.pht, -l,
htexpand.el, -f, ht-expand. It seems that XEmacs will not process any
command switches after the FILE argument (only as additional files)

Any help?

(No, it is not an option for me to use -i FILE)

thanks,
	Jens

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I got a great response from this group when I asked the same question:

Use ^q followed by the special character, ^l in your case.  Only the ^L
will show in the buffer.

George Menyhert (george.menyhert@cinesoft.com) wrote:
: Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes in a buffer?

: I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.  I pipe the results to a
: file, and then want to manually insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between
: reports to make it easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have
: not been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The workaround
: is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed and then edit the file
: with xemacs.  I thought I read somewhere about a command to insert ascii
: codes or uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that information
: for the life of me.

: As a side note, how do I exit VI emulation without exiting xemacs?


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From: John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
> | I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> | the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
> | superior to emacs.

Uh-oh.  Here we go again...

[big snip]

> when somebody starts
> up the "I'm better than you" machine, you can be pretty certain they are
> dishonest creeps.

[little snip]

Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks.

--
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Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;
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* Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
| Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
| thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.

XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without constantly
portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge on it, and without
ridiculing that from which they came, that without which they would not
exist.  you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites, towards
XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_ of the hostilities
from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs and folks towards Emacs.  this
is patently unfair.  I object to that unfairness.

| Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
| file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
| lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
| feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.

over the past ~12 years, I have seen strong disagreement among people on
the Net and in electronic discussion groups, I have seen groups of people
gang up on one individual or another, I have seen a few individuals go
after another with an intent to kill.  I have found myself seriously *hurt*
by _three_ messages in all these years.  Richard Cognot has the dubious
distinction of having authored the fourth.

it's one thing to get sick and tired of any ranting and raving on XEmacs,
if that is what one thinks it is, few and far between as they are.  that
can easily be avoided by not reading (or starting!) threads that compare
Emacs and XEmacs, in comp.emacs.xemacs, which I don't read and to which I
never post, unless by accident when the thread is crossposted.  it's quite
another to brand everything I do for the Emacs community as "insanities".
I get _sick_ to my stomach to think that some foul bastard like Richard
Cognot can benefit from my work.  I hate the fact that what I do can be of
any benefit to creep like Richard Cognot and whoever else gloats over what
he does.

_users_ of Emacs and XEmacs don't see this and may be very surprised to
find that there is so much personal hatred between developers of tools that
share such a strong common heritage.  however, if you put yourself in my
place and others, and see what Richard Cognot and that crowed can do,
_SMILING_ in the middle of it, and you read some of the purely destructive
material emanating from the XEmacs crowd about Emacs and RMS and others who
have helped develop Emacs, you will understand that this is not a technical
issue, it's a question of hurt feelings and intentionally destructive
people.  XEmacs has been a welcoming place for those who hate some aspect
of Emacs or another, and that is a stronger part of its legacy than
anything else could be.

I don't know who began, I don't know what each has done in the past outside
of the written record and what I have heard, but what I do know is that no
Emacs developer (past or present) has a web page explaining why it is
impossible to cooperate with any XEmacs developer, there are no web pages
implicitly or explicity saying that Emacs is superior to XEmacs, even
though it is in very many respects.  I don't know what made the previous
author of the answer to question 5.1.1 in the XEmacs FAQ use "braindamaged"
and other unnecessary hostilities towards Emacs in a supposedly informative
document to help XEmacs users.  however, these are very typical of the
attitudes harbored by XEmacs folks.  (notwithstanding Chuck Thompson's
attempts to say that if anybody talks about "XEmacs folks", they must talk
about him, and since he doesn't enage in this, then nobody does.)  further,
I do not at all understand what the problems that others have had with
Emacs suggestions refer to, and I must conclude that it was all of their
own making.  in contrast to this, I have seen so much abuse from the XEmacs
crowd over the past few years that I just can't remain calm towards people
who take such obvious pleasure in destruction.  I have seen a few people
move to the XEmacs camp when they suffered an uncontrollable rage towards
decisions they don't agree with about their suggestions for Emacs, as if
they had a right to dictate others, but not be dictated themselves.  when
such hateful and angry fools congretate, one cannot but get but a breeding
ground for hostilities, for desires to kill the competition in every
possible way, preferably by "we're superior and you suck" arguments.

I'm sorry, but as an Emacs volunteer who tries to make this environment
better, I do get bitter and I do get a sore spot that some idiots know full
well how to exploit when exposed to the near-constant rush of negativism
from XEmacs users.  every gloating bug report, every little snide remark
registers.  I try very hard not even to mention XEmacs, I don't respond to
requests for help from XEmacs users, but I do see them all -- users who
have acquired that attitude of superiority that can only find its basis in
an inferiority complex and a very hostile environment.  XEmacs will forever
be mired in the manure from which it rose, people who went away in anger
and did their own thing because they were unable to explain themselves well
enough to have others take part in their vision.  to that end, Richard
Cognot has shown me that there is no point in trying to talk to XEmacs
people about anything.  he and others of his kind will always be there,
ready to engage his particularly foul personal attacks, as he has in the
past, as he did now.  you can't rid a community of bad seed when the whole
community grew out of bad seed who wanted to attack and destroy their
heritage, out of what must have been strong feelings of inadequacy --
nothing else can explain why they remain so angry to this day.

the best solution _is_ probably to regard XEmacs as non-existent.  but that
is wrong, too, according to complaints from the XEmacs folks, who are
constantly complaining that Emacs web sites and documents don't mention
XEmacs.  why should they?  the XEmacs folks were childish rebels on a
mission of destruction and competition, and so got disinherited.  is that
really surprising to them?  and why do they want to be listed on the web
page for a "braindamaged" competitor, anyway?  the fact is, XEmacs is
_inferior_ to Emacs in all respects that count.  so to hell with it.

#\Erik
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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Marshall <Simon.Marshall@esrin.esa.it> writes:

sb> Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is
sb> implemented with a different name (debug-force) :-(.

Simon> As rms said on the XEmacs Beta list, following Ben's request he
Simon> changed the variable name to the one used by XEmacs.

Yes he did, as you and others have pointed out.  I stand corrected.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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Peter J. Schenk (rdielec@chelsea.ios.com) wrote:
> Hello Everyone,

> I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
> going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

> I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
> learning all the time.

> My question to you is:

> Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
> subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

My advice: Go to http://www.jumbo.com/ and try to find a grammar checker
before writing a sentence like the one above on your class paper.

> It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
> cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
> might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
> paper.

> Thanks for your help,

> PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

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From: jk@csc.UVic.CA (Jayakrishnan Nair)
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> 
> How can I automatically fold some lines in XEmacs?
> 
> 
> Example:
> 
> 	/*- Text -*/
> 	Line 1
> 	Line 2
> 	/**/
> 
> with fold-markers:
> 
> 	start = "/*-"
> 	end   = "/**"
> 
> Result (something like this):
> 
> 	> Text -*/
> 


Maybe you could try the folding.el package
>From the Introduction

;; This package provides a minor mode, compatible with all major
;; editing modes, for folding (hiding) parts of the edited text or
;; program.
;;
;; Folding mode handles a document as a tree, where each branch is
;; bounded by special markers `{{{' and `}}}'.  A branch can be placed
;; inside another branch, creating a complete hierarchical structure.
;;
;; Folding mode can CLOSE a fold, leaving only the initial `{{{'
;; and possibly a comment visible.
;;
;; It can also ENTER a fold, which means that only the current fold
;; will be visible, all text above `{{{' and below `}}}' will be
;; invisible.

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I cannot reach you via email, so I am posting this.

 (lamb@dilbert.huntsville.sparta.com) wrote:
> At the risk of flame bait or thread drift (bg), can I set up a kill file 
> for gnus, and if so, how?

Try not to use killing, but scoring (which can accomplish the same,
but much better).  Read the documentation on scoring in Gnus.  The
easiest cook-book way is the following.

Create ~/News/all.SCORE with the contents like this:

((mark -100)
 (expunge -500)
 ("subject"
  ("$$" -1000 nil s)
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^\\(Re: *\\)?[^a-z0-9]*$" -20 nil R)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!!" -10 nil s))
 ("from"
  ("creep" -100 nil s)))

As you can see, it is a kind of list.  (mark -100) means that articles
with score less than -100 will be marked as read.  (expunge -500)
means that articles with score less than -500 will not be shown at
all.

"subject" means scoring of subject.  The following line means to lower
by 1000 (i.e. kill) an article containing the substring "$$".

Next lines lowers by twenty and ten the articles that are written in
caps-only and contain "!!", respectively.

The last entry lowers the score of creep's artivle by 100.  It's not
that hard, and it is very fast and powerful.  Do read the manual to
find more details.

-- 
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>>>>> "EN" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

    EN> Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and
    EN> use existing types and access functions, XEmacs has 50
    EN> functions and use an entirely new datatype.  where Emacs tries
    EN> not to do too many things that break working code, XEmacs
    EN> doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
    EN> in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of
    EN> respect, clearly implying that should somebody improve on
    EN> _their_ design, they will happily accept similar treatment of
    EN> their now "superior" solutions.

Of course the flip side is that for a particular given feature, where
Emacs exposes and requires you to deal with the low-level
representation, XEmacs gives you a higher level abstraction to
manipulate.  This means that if the low-level implementation changes,
your code breaks.  I've been bitten by this in Emacs a few times
(e.g. keymap parents and mode menus).

    EN> a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for
    EN> Emacs, because it is often too hard to do both.

This is true.  But the fault is mutual and indicates that the highest
priority for both camps *should* be to converge on a common API, and
to spend considerable effort to implement to an existing API when
possible.
    
    EN> new, immature, fancy packages are usually developed for
    EN> XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for Emacs.

This is simply not true.

    EN> in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient,
    EN> hands-on, "new" generation which doesn't have time to read
    EN> manuals, while Emacs gives more to the experienced and
    EN> dedicated users who read manuals to learn and understand.

Again, not true.  Many very experienced programmers use and develop
primarily on XEmacs.  Most try hard to make sure that the lisp they
develop runs on both Emacsen.  Sometimes that's very hard to do.

-Barry

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I'm not disputing that Martin (or others) has experienced these
things, but here's another perspective from someone who practically
lives in XEmacs.

For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
etc.  XEmacs 19.14 does exhibit an occasional glitch where it takes a
long time on saving a file, but the problem is very intermittent in my
experience.  A nit, but not an app killer.  XEmacs 19.14 seems to me
to be very stable -- it almost never crashes, and certainly for me
does not crash any more, or less, than Emacs.  XEmacs has some bugs,
but then, so does Emacs -- just different ones, so that's a wash.  I
really dislike the display defaults that Emacs uses (e.g. font sizes,
colors, etc) but then if I really cared, I could spend some time
configuring it to my tastes.

For me, the deciding factor is the XEmacs ability to open many
different frames on many different devices, including combinations of
X and tty frames.  For someone else it might be that Emacs has been
ported to Windows, where XEmacs has not.

Pick one or the other, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.  Or at
least you won't be more unhappy than if you'd chosen the other one.
:-) Most of the folks at my office use XEmacs because that's what I
maintain, because that's what I started using and have been tracking
since, I dunno, the early 90's when there wasn't even an Emacs 19 to
be had.  Since then, I've never had a reason to switch.

-Barry

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>>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

    PA: You need to call `easy-menu-add' and `easy-menu-remove' when
    PA: you enter/leave the mode.  This can be done in the minor mode
    PA: function itself.

Thanks, this works.

But: When this minor mode is global, this does not what I want.  When
I enable it, menu is added only in the current buffer.  Even newly
created buffers are in this mode but without appropriate menu!  (I
have to disable and then enable minor mode in such new buffer to
receive my menu in menubar.)

I can change default menu, which solves problem with newly created
buffers but doesn't change menubar in existing buffers.  Possibly I
should call some refresh function in minor mode function after
`easy-menu-add'?

Milan Zamazal

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	The XEmacs 19.14 configure program understands about Socks,
but it's Socks v4, not Socks v5.  As I can get the Socks v5 beta to
compile on Linux 2.0.18, while the Socks 4.3 beta is blowing chuncks
at me, I'd like to know if anyone has already taken the time to create
patches for XEmacs.  Alternatively, is there a How To Socks5ify
document around anywhere, so that I can make the changes?

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Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me. 
> It should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a file
> and then process the function ht-expand on this file.
> I tried the following:
> 	xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

The former version should work too; it might be a bug in XEmacs.

-- 
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From: peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger)
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Erik Naggum writes:
> [lots of incredibly hateful stuff.]

Dude, you have some seriously unresolved issues.  Good luck
getting over it.


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Attention all regexp-erts:

>From the help on query-replace-regexp:

  "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."

How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

I'm stumped and would rather not hafta use awk() or sed().

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From: Lennart Svensson <lennart.svensson@ein.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Toolbar Appearance
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David Phelps wrote:
> 
> I have been using Xemacs version 19.13 running on linux at home, and have
> recently ported version 19.14 to ptx v4.3 on a Symmetry machine at work.  On
> version 19.13 on linux, the toolbar is a nice gray with three-dimensional
> motif-style appearance.  On version 19.14, the toolbar is white with outline
> (no 3-D) graphics on the buttons, although the scrollbars and other pieces are
> 3-D, motif-style.
> 
> I assume this isn't a change from 19.13 to 19.14, can anyone tell me if and
> how this is configurable?
> 
> Thanks,
> David

I hope that you mean the xpm library. Download the library
xpm-3.4i.tar.gz from some
ftp archive and make the lib lixXpm.a. When you later on create Xemacs
just configure it
with the xpm flag.

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From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson)
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>This is true.  But the fault is mutual and indicates that the highest
>priority for both camps *should* be to converge on a common API, and
>to spend considerable effort to implement to an existing API when
>possible.

The priority should be to merge the two packages.  However, I see too
much bickering.  RMS strongly appears to resist anything he doesn't
like, effectively making him the final arbiter in what gets in Emacs
and what doesn't.  Yes, having a better keymap data type is *good*,
yet RMS is opposed.  RMS was also opposed to integrating MULE features
into Emacs as well (he wanted to wait until they had unicode support,
even though people were making use of Nemacs/MULE with local national
standards before they had heard of unicode).  The history as recorded
by XEmacs, if accurate, gives good reason for its existance.  Its hard
to deny that there are a lot of thing Emacs that need fixing or
redesigning (I'm a big believer that a complete redesign and overhaul
is good for a product).  And if you want to fix most of them with a
differeing view from RMS, currently you have to split off from GNU
Emacs.

On the other hand, XEmacs people go out of their way to antagonize
Emacs developers.  I'd love to see cooperation here, but saying
something like "we don't use a brain damaged way of doing..." doesn't
help matters.  And continuing to widen the differences between the two
versions instead of working to closely track GNU code exacerbates things
as well.  And the API is much more complex; sometimes this is necessary
because of lapses in Emacs, but too often it seems needless as well.

I prefer XEmacs though; even though I don't make use of most of the
X11 support.  But I'd prefer a single GNU/Xemacs/MULE.

-- 
Darin Johnson
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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:


> * David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
> | Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal
> | vomit?
> 
> I don't "type out a pile of verbal vomit", David.

I'm beginning to wonder if Erik and David Sternlight aren't actually
the same person.

*I've* never seen them both at the same place simultaneously.


[And since neither seem to have any sense of humor whatsoever, have
one of these: =) No, better take 2; they're small.  =) ]


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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
> programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
> etc.  XEmacs 19.14 does exhibit an occasional glitch where it takes a
> long time on saving a file, but the problem is very intermittent in my
> experience.  A nit, but not an app killer.  XEmacs 19.14 seems to me
> to be very stable -- it almost never crashes, and certainly for me
> does not crash any more, or less, than Emacs. 

I'd have to more or less agree with this with the caveat that ugly
things happen when Emacsen run out of memory and it is easier to reach
that situation with XEmacs than with Emacs. 

In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
one who has this problem... I tried everything from recompiling with
gcc -O4 to disabling lazy font lock... but it is still too slow. So,
if one is using SunOS 4.1.x, this whole discussion is really
moot... XEmacs is unusably slow on it.
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Hi there

I've looked at the distribution site for a XEmacs version for AIX
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Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> Attention all regexp-erts:
> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

`C-q C-j'

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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I couldn't send tou your email address for some
reason...

(X)Emacs kill files use LISP, which is a very nice thing

You can use the command "gnus-kill-file-edit-file" to edit
your killfile and "gnus-kill-file-exit" to write it to
disk and go back to GNUS-reading.  You can have a global
killfile (which lives in ~/News/KILL) and/or killfiles
for each group.  I have enclosed a portion of my killfile as
an example ... my apologies if you have friends in there.
The gnus-kill's mark the articles with an 'X' and the
gnues-expunge deletes the appropriately marked articles.

-Oly
===

;; example of killing an individuals posts 
(gnus-kill "From" "Eric Naggum") ; XEmacs vs. Emacs, a personal retrospective

;; All Threads are Mortal
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Creationism")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "U.S. vs. the rest of the World")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Health Care")

;; Once In A Lifetime Offer # 9 Billion
(gnus-kill "From" "concentric.net") ; overkill, but the only way to catch him
(gnus-kill "From" "richard@net.com")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Cash")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "cash")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "CASH")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "$$")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "900")

;; Now Do It

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From: Igor Lasic <ilasic@busstop.casc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Lisp nesting problem with OOBR?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 17:16:42 -0500
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jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry) writes:


> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been trying to get the OOBR to work for an Obj-C project
> I am working on. I read through the info on how to create the environment
> and followed the directions. For my Library directory I put 
> '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux/2.7.2.1/include/objc/' and for
> my System directories I put the directories for my files and the 
> include directory for the developement package I am using (I am using
> the Swarm artificial life package, so this was ~/alife/swarm/include,
> and my files were in ~/alife/network-sim/).
> 
> The OOBR seems to build ok (no errors), but when I go to run it, it
> acts busy (listing various .h & .m files in the status area) but
> then stops with this error:
> 
Hello,

        well I am using oobr straight out of the box on Xemacs. I tried
(just like you) to compile it myself and did not succeed. But, if you
use the oobr provided with XEmacs 13 and 14 it will work right out of
the box. 

        If you want xoobr (a graphical tool) look in
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.1X/lisp/oobr/tree-x and make it yourself.

Hope this helps,

Igor

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From: dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu (Bill Danielson)
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Subject: JAVA Environment
Date: 2 Nov 1996 22:00:25 GMT
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I was wondering if anyone could help me -- either save the environment 
of a Java mode session or set it up with hooks.  I have the C++ working 
very well, but can't get Java to take hold.  Thanks.  

--
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Bill Danielson                      | "I am who I am 
dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu              |  I be what I be...."
http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~dani9131  |
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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:02:53 -0800
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Scott Evans wrote:
> 
> I didn't want to get into this, but ...
> 
> >| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the
> >| most hostile.
> > ...
> > you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
> > completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so
> > mindbogglingly stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage
> > to write it.  but then again, I'm not an XEmacs user,
> 
> Wow.

I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say stolid --
insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you disagree with my
claim that we have come full-circle, then read no further. We don't
have to stand for this!  Because we continue to share a common, albeit
abused, atmospheric envelope, his yes-men are uninformed at best, the
downfall of society at worst. Nice try to destabilize society,
Naggum. His supporters can't defend their communications. The notion
that I by no means claim to know everything about the worst sorts of
contemptible self-deceiving paper-pushers I've ever seen is
pervasive. 

In the past, when I complained that he was attempting to impose
sex-crazed new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of
disingenuous drive for power, I was told that I was just being
unscrupulous. But nowadays, people realize that he seems to think that
he is right and everybody else is wrong. 

For the record, Naggum's advocates are swinging pretty hard on some
slender evidence. Like I said, there have been reports of rampant
drunkenness, performances by strippers, public nudity, and other
licentious and sick behavior at every gathering of Naggum's secret
agents. To say anything else would be a lie.

Naggum's adherents inculcate saturnine claims simply because they think
it's fun. Different people often see the same subject in different
lights. What Naggum doesn't realize is that his sense of humor runs the
gamut from rude and crude to destructive and amateurish. It is probably
unwise to say this loudly, but stuck-up amnesiacs, motivated by either
cannibalism or a desire to lead a whiney life, are eager to help him
defend plagiarism, neocolonialism, and notions of racial
superiority. And, more important, his manuscripts obfuscate any attempt
to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who
have access to the means of power. 

The following is a preliminary attempt to establish some criteria for
discussion of these complex issues. To begin with, his use of stupid
unbalanced ostentatious-types is pathetic. If Naggum gets his way, I
might very well go crazy. Many wackos have an intense identification
with ignominious self-centered misogynists.

So don't tell me that no group has done so much to eviscerate freedom
of speech and sexual privacy rights as his devotees just because a
large percentage of his thralls can be termed self-righteous. If he
were as bright as he thinks he is, he'd know that his only motivation
is an abhorrent attachment to wealth and power. I'm not the first to
mention that worthless slubberdegullions thrive on hatred rather than
love. Before I continue, let me state that if Naggum were to give
vulgar derelicts far more credibility than they deserve, it would be a
grave insult to everyone who devoted his or her life's work to helping
the less fortunate. 

There are a number of conceptual, logical, and methodological flaws in
his doctrines. As part of his efforts to gain a mainstream following,
he publishes the Journal of Yellow-bellied Absenteeism. Included
alongside articles discussing history, culture, art, religion, and
philosophy are endorsements of his plans to force me to get torn apart
by wild dogs. What I had wanted for this letter was to write an
analysis of Erik Naggum's diatribes. Not a exhortation or a shrill
denunciation, but an analysis. I hope I have succeeded at that.
(http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: lpr.el and UNISON "prt" command
Date: 06 Nov 1996 18:03:22 -0500
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I'm posting this here 
	A) Because I had a hell of a time figuring this out and wanted
	   to save somebody else the aggravation.
	B) As a sanity/code check. 
	C) Has this been done already?


I've found that I had to modify lpr.el to get it to work with the
UNISON "prt" commands we have here. The problem is that there are
hard-coded(!) defaults for jobname switches and title switches that
"prt" doesn't like. Here's what I did:

------------------------------------------------------------------
*** /ww6/sheckman/tmp/lpr.el	Wed Nov  6 18:01:26 1996
--- /ww6/sheckman/tmp/lpr.ela21238	Wed Nov  6 18:01:26 1996
***************
*** 51,56 ****
--- 51,60 ----
  If nil, we run `lpr-page-header-program' to make page headings
  and print the result.")
  
+ ;; Added these due to incompatibility with Unison "prt" command
+ (defvar lpr-headers-jobname-switch "-J")
+ (defvar lpr-headers-title-switch "-T")
+ 
  (defvar print-region-function nil
    "Function to call to print the region on a printer.
  See definition of `print-region-1' for calling conventions.")
***************
*** 127,145 ****
  	    (let ((new-coords (print-region-new-buffer start end)))
  	      (setq start (car new-coords) end (cdr new-coords)))
  	    (apply 'call-process-region start end lpr-page-header-program
! 				 t t nil
! 				 (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 					     (list "-h" title))
! 					lpr-page-header-switches))
  	    (setq start (point-min) end (point-max))))
        (apply (or print-region-function 'call-process-region)
  	     (nconc (list start end lpr-command
  			  nil nil nil)
  		    (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 				(list "-J" name))
  			   ;; These belong in pr if we are using that.
  			   (and lpr-add-switches lpr-headers-switches
! 				(list "-T" title))
  			   switches)))
        (if (markerp end)
  	  (set-marker end nil))
--- 131,149 ----
  	    (let ((new-coords (print-region-new-buffer start end)))
  	      (setq start (car new-coords) end (cdr new-coords)))
  	    (apply 'call-process-region start end lpr-page-header-program
! 		   t t nil
! 		   (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 			       (list lpr-headers-title-switch title))
! 			  lpr-page-header-switches))
  	    (setq start (point-min) end (point-max))))
        (apply (or print-region-function 'call-process-region)
  	     (nconc (list start end lpr-command
  			  nil nil nil)
  		    (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 				(list lpr-headers-jobname-switch name))
  			   ;; These belong in pr if we are using that.
  			   (and lpr-add-switches lpr-headers-switches
! 				(list lpr-headers-title-switch title))
  			   switches)))
        (if (markerp end)
  	  (set-marker end nil))

------------------------------------------------------------------

And in my .emacs file:

;;;; Printer stuff
(setq lpr-command "prt")
(setq lpr-headers-jobname-switch "-j")
(setq lpr-headers-title-switch "-h")
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-lpost"))

This seems to work pretty well. If this hasn't been done before, you
are welcome to it. I wouldn't even mind it being a part of the regular
distribution :). 


HTH
Steve

(If it has been done before, please point me there!)

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From: dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu (Bill Danielson)
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Hi there!!

I am back -- let's make this question a little easier.  I have the
variables within the Java Mode dealing with the indentation that I 
would like to change.  What is the function that I have to hook with 
the new variables?

Somebody out there must know something....  Thanks for any help
on this one.  Come on guys, someone out there has to know.
 

Bill Danielson (dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu) wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone could help me -- either save the environment 
: of a Java mode session or set it up with hooks.  I have the C++ working 
: very well, but can't get Java to take hold.  Thanks.  

--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Danielson                      | "I am who I am 
dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu              |  I be what I be...."
http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~dani9131  |

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Re2: frame-properties function fails for property 'name
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:


Jari> Actually the bug report concerned the fact that there were 2 'name
Jari> properties in the list after the code. This shouldn't be possible 
Jari> if the 'name is unchangeable.

Yes, this is a little bug.

Jari> Is there reason why it is unchangeable, In Emacs you can change the
Jari> 'name, which is now 'title in newer versions.

Any reason not to use frame-title-format?

Martin

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Bill Danielson (dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu) wrote:
> I am back -- let's make this question a little easier.  I have the
> variables within the Java Mode dealing with the indentation that I 
> would like to change.  What is the function that I have to hook with 
> the new variables?

Have you tried
(add-hook 'java-mode-hook
  (lambda ()
     ...whatever...
    ))

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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>>> "smaddhi" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

smaddhi> After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I
smaddhi> am able to read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root
smaddhi> permission or setgid permission to movemail. [ ... ]
smaddhi> Suggestions, comments, helpful hints welcome.

I have recently noticed that in the latest (.5x) rgnus distributions,
which are rather stable, there is now a "pop3.el" file, which contains
code to fetch mail from a POP3 server _directly from Emacs_, just as VM
does (in fact there is a comment in that file that it is derived form
the similar VM code).

Has anybody got any details on its use?

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From: William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 19.14 and Socks v5
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stend+c.emacs.xemacs@grendel.texas.net writes:
>The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>that has been posted as well.
>
>The XEmacs 19.14 configure program understands about Socks, but it's Socks
>v4, not Socks v5.  As I can get the Socks v5 beta to compile on Linux
>2.0.18, while the Socks 4.3 beta is blowing chuncks at me, I'd like to
>know if anyone has already taken the time to create patches for XEmacs.
>Alternatively, is there a How To Socks5ify document around anywhere, so
>that I can make the changes?

  Hi, just a bit of background before I launch into this.  I have done a
lot of work on XEmacs in the past few years, and when I came to work at
Aventail (we do commercial socks5 stuff) the first thing I needed to do be
able to read my mail, news, or web stuff [1] was socks5ify XEmacs (& Emacs
19).  We've had a few discussions about the best way to socksify XEmacs on
the beta list over the last few months as well.

  You have a few choices to socksify XEmacs:

1) Use 'runsocks' if your OS supports it (linux does if you are on an Elf
   system).
2) Apply the patches at the end of this mail message, to socksify just
   XEmacs.
3) Or the conclusion that I came to was that its just plain _SILLY_ to have
   this in the C code of XEmacs, where its not easily extensible, etc.  So
   I wrote a Socks5 client in Emacs-Lisp.  Was pretty easy actually.  This
   way enables you to do things like define certain hosts or ranges of
   hosts that should be contacted directly, and not socksified, and
   provides a very easy way of plugging in new authentication (or
   encryption) modules.  Right now it supports 'NULL' and
   'Username/Password', and as soon as I find time I'll implement the CHAP
   stuff that Marc VanHeyningen has proposed.  It also doesn't require that
   you keep your password in the environment as #1 & #2 do [2]

  I of course would recommend approach #3, because:

1 - Its lisp
2 - Its extensible
3 - It was fun to write

  The socks.el that I wrote will more than likely be in XEmacs 19.15, but
I'm not 100% sure when that will be released yet.  The betas seem pretty
solid though, so cross your fingers.

  If you want the latest rev of socks.el, let me know.  I haven't thrown it
out for ftp yet, but I use it every day to read mail, news, and browse the
web.  This message will be sent using it.

-Bill P.

[1] You _DO_ use Emacs-W3, right?
[2] AutoSOCKS for Unix from aventail will have a number of ways to get the
    password, not just the environment.  For more info check out
    http://www.aventail.com/

-- Patch for .../xemacs-19.14/src/config.h.in follows

*** config.h.in	1996/11/06 22:01:24	1.1
--- config.h.in	1996/11/06 22:02:24
***************
*** 667,677 ****
  #endif
  
  #if defined (HAVE_SOCKS) && !defined (DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY)
! #define accept Raccept
! #define bind Rbind
! #define connect Rconnect
! #define getsockname Rgetsockname
! #define listen Rlisten
  #endif /* HAVE_SOCKS && !DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY */
  
  #ifndef SHORTBITS
--- 667,677 ----
  #endif
  
  #if defined (HAVE_SOCKS) && !defined (DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY)
! #define accept SOCKSaccept
! #define bind SOCKSbind
! #define connect SOCKSconnect
! #define getsockname SOCKSgetsockname
! #define listen SOCKSlisten
  #endif /* HAVE_SOCKS && !DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY */
  
  #ifndef SHORTBITS

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Subject: Re: W3 3.0.28 - no images?
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peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger) writes:

> Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
> in xemacs 19.14?
> 
> Anyone suggest some good ways to debug this?

  Ummm, those aren't reimplemented in the new display code yet. :)  Well,
they are in my version, but they suffer from some problems when there are
images in tables.  3.0.29 has been delayed for quite a while because I've
been incredibly busy at work and at home (wife & son are both sick - fun
fun).  Perhaps by the end of friday.

-Bill P.
-- 
William Perry			wmperry@aventail.com
Unix Server Development Lead  & Emacs-W3 Author
Aventail, Corp.			http://www.aventail.com

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>>>>> "Saifi" == Saifi  <saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in> writes:

Saifi> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, root wrote:

Robert> Hi,
Robert> 
Robert> What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??

Saifi> Hi everybody

Saifi> 	I have got exactly the same problem as Robert Nader. Can anyone 
Saifi> of you out there, help me as well ?

If you look on Dejanews, there was another patch posted around the
same time that might work better.  This is brute force.

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> Hi All,
Mike> Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

 ...

Mike> When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
Mike> .xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
Mike> believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
Mike> all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Mike> Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
Mike> it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
Mike> everyone else to 19.14.

After considerable digging around, I found that everything seems to be
working fine except that stuff like font type and font size are not
being saved and thus, not restored.

I have found an extremely ugly workaround.  That being said, the fix
requires a source installation.  Go into lisp/x11 and apply the
attached patch, then redump XEmacs by performing `make all-elc'.
XEmacs *must* be redumped for this to work.  This patch was developed
against XEmacs beta 19.15 so the offsets are a little off, but the
patch applies safely to distribution 19.14, and does appear to address
the problems everyone has been describing.

Hopefully, things will work better in 19.15.

This is not pretty, but you've been warned ...

*** x-menubar.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:33:41 1996
--- x-menubar.el	Thu Sep 26 01:16:10 1996
***************
*** 923,928 ****
--- 923,929 ----
  
  
  ;;; The Options menu
+ (defvar save-options-font-hack nil)
  
  (defconst options-menu-saved-forms
    ;; This is really quite a kludge, but it gets the job done.
***************
*** 1062,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
--- 1063,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! p			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
***************
*** 1167,1172 ****
--- 1168,1192 ----
  			     (prin1 var))))
  		    (if var (princ "\n")))
  		options-menu-saved-forms)
+ 	(when save-options-font-hack
+ 	  (princ "(require 'x-font-menu)\n")
+ 	  (princ "(setq save-options-font-hack '(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ "))\n(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ ")\n"))
  	))
      (set-marker options-output-marker nil)
      (save-excursion

*** x-font-menu.el~	Sun Sep  8 16:50:33 1996
--- x-font-menu.el	Thu Sep 26 01:13:40 1996
***************
*** 452,457 ****
--- 452,461 ----
  			       (or weight from-weight)
  			       (or size   from-size)
  			       default-name))
+     (setq save-options-font-hack (list 'font-menu-set-font
+ 				       (or family from-family)
+ 				       (or weight from-weight)
+ 				       (or size from-size)))
      (while faces
        (cond ((face-font-instance (car faces))
  	     (message "Changing font of `%s'..." (car faces))




-- 
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>>>>> "J" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:


    J> I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say
    J> stolid -- insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you
    J> disagree with my claim that we have come full-circle, then read
    J> no further. ...

Wow that's cool! I will send one to my friends.

So far I have agreed almost entirely with everything I've read from
Erik Naggum. He's just a bit hostile sounding. I think it should be
pretty easy to just let that slide and respond to what he says instead.

One of Erik's goons,

me


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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul J Rider <prider@isdn-22.trytel.com> writes:

Paul> the message is as follows:
Paul> /usr/local/bin/i486-unknown-linuxelf/xemacs: can't resolve
Paul> symbol'_h_errno'

The FAQ that won't die :-(.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:

    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
               
------------------------------

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Subject: Re: Xemacs and Emacs condition-case differencies ?
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto

Jari>     (condition-case nil
Jari>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
Jari>       (error nil))

The canonical way to `rm -f' within elisp is:

(condition-case () (delete-file "foo") (file-error nil))

Martin

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>>>>> "Susan" == Susan Osofsky <susano@adobe.com> writes:

Susan> I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,
Susan> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e.,
Susan> gdb doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to
Susan> gdb-control-c-subjob.  If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob,
Susan> nothing happens either.

Susan> Any suggestions?

I was able to duplicate the problem you describe on Linux 2, and it is
due to sending a naked Control C character at the gdb process when no
interrupt character is defined on the pseudo tty.  In other words,
gdb-control-c-subjob is totally broken.

Try adding this to your environment and see if works a little better:

(require 'gdb)
(fset 'gdb-control-c-subjob 'comint-interrupt-subjob)

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> once upon a time, ...

Erik, 

This article was a much more reasoned explanation of what you see as the
problems with XEmacs and why you prefer Emacs.  I applaud the article, but
have to ask why you didn't also say this 3 or 4 articles ago!  Your initial
articles were bound to produce a flame war because they provided so little
detail as to why you were being so hard on XEmacs and its developers.  There
may be people who disagree with your points (as is their right), but now they
cannot say that you haven't really looked at both sides.  You must remember
that not everyone has had access to all the people concerned in this religious
war.

Considering the number of times this has come up, your article should probably
become the response to this FAQ!

> it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to find out why the
> hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.

Having watched these newsgroups for at least that long, I remember your
discussions to some degree.  At the time, I remember seeing a long message
from Ben that said pretty much the reverse of what you said in this article
with apparently equal consideration for both sides of the issue.  Also, at
that time, RMS seemed to be saying little if anything on Usenet, so, for
someone like me who is not actively doing Emacs development or not actively
plugged into the people doing that development, a lot of the argument was
hidden and, so, easily misunderstood.

> well, I didn't like what I saw.

In the end, from the point of view of someone outside the discussion, it
didn't seem like anything had been solved, but each side may have exhibitted a
bit more respect (if grudingly) for the other side.

> the discussions (which I read in full when I was looking for an explanation
> for the hostilities), showed me two sides who were equally stubborn and at
> times childish, but I found that RMS was able to spell out _why_ he thought
> the way he did, and the renegades were not.  I found an idea about a grand
> design (larger than Emacs alone) at work in RMS' messages where I found
> discontent, rebelliousness and impatience in the renegades'.

Is this "grand design" in an FAQ somewhere?

> to me, free software is...

Reasonable, but you have to realize that this is not everyone's view.  Note, I
am not trying to get into a "my view is better than your view" argument (which
is why I'm not telling my view).  I'm merely saying that you have the right to
your view, but don't be disappointed if others have a different view.

> (before someone sticks his head up telling me I do the same: I answered a
> question on a newsgroup, I didn't set up a high-profile web site with
> propaganda.  I work on Emacs, I don't run a marketing campaign.  I wish
> XEmacs people would work on XEmacs and not run marketing campaigns, too.)

Well, you may call it marketing/hype.  However, I for one would like to
understand the directions that (X)Emacs is taking and any method of providing
that information is okay with me.  The advantage of a web-page over newsgroup
discussions is that this conversation doesn't have to be repeated every 3 or 4
months.

> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
> could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
> enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
> alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

You could have prevented the "seen red" by putting this out a little earlier.
However, it was a good article and I'm glad that it finally came out so now I
can better appreciate other articles on this topic that you've put out (and
probably will put out again).

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I am getting really sick and tired of this type of message.  What can be done?
 I always write the sender and the postmaster at their host, but then some
other idiot comes along and does something even stupider.

Only moderately more annoying that those dolts that throwaway the instructions
they get when they join the list and keep sending "unsubscribe" commands to the
whole list!

On Nov 4,  6:14pm, giacomo boffi wrote:
> Subject: @@@>> HOT COLLEGE BI-MALES!!!  >PRIVATE<  1-900-825-6000 xt 9794
> bpm@terraweb.com writes:
>  > Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?
>  >
>
> Brian, this is mostly a "help desk" group (my 20 lire) --- as opposed
> to a "discussion" group
>
> while moderation of a "discussion" group is a last resort, for "help
> desk" groups moderation is not a solution (another 20 lire :)
>
> we have to take the occasional random posting as a mild sign of the
> Evil, and suffer in silence
>
> if someone has _pointers_ regarding what to with random postings,
> i.e., tracing the real posting host, what persons are liable to
> intervene against the posters, etc, please let us know
>
> ciao
>-- End of excerpt from giacomo boffi



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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> the best solution _is_ probably to regard XEmacs as non-existent.  but that
> is wrong, too, according to complaints from the XEmacs folks, who are
> constantly complaining that Emacs web sites and documents don't mention
> XEmacs.  why should they?

Why should there be Emacs web sites and documents that mention XEmacs?  To
help answer the simple question that all new users ask -- "which version of
Emacs should I use?"

> the XEmacs folks were childish rebels on a mission of destruction and
> competition, and so got disinherited.  is that really surprising to them?
> and why do they want to be listed on the web page for a "braindamaged"
> competitor, anyway?  the fact is, XEmacs is _inferior_ to Emacs in all
> respects that count.  so to hell with it.

Don't think that way...

There seems to be a lot of resentment on both sides of the issue.  If you
carry that resentment forward in this way, then people find it hard to believe
a statement like "XEmacs is _inferior_ to Emacs in all respects that count"
(or the reverse statement for that matter).

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Subject: Re: Segmentation Violation
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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
>     2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
>        with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
>        it.

Why?  I mean, even the person who doesn't understand how to do this
(and replacing the binary is not a trivial task) can paste a
command-line thingie like this:

perl -pi -e 's/_h_errno\0/h_errno\0\0/' /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14

Why not put that as the solution number two?

BTW, you *must* patch /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14, and not xemacs
because xemacs is a link to xemacs-19.14; Perl -i options is
disastrous to links.

Anyway, my point is that the above line works perfectly, even for
people who don't have a clue...

-- 
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From: JOSH C VAN_TONDER <vant0009@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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Every time I choose the save options choice from the options menu it
opens up my .emacs and writes to it.  However every time I start xemacs
my saved options ,well, aren't saved.  It is getting kind of lame having
to turn them on every time I want to write code.  ANy suggestions?

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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
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Does anyone know if there has been any new development to the
pretty print package?  I am really looking for 2-up printing, 
since the 1-up printing uses up so much paper.
Any pointers to new code would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

-- Kevin

_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
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Using XEmacs 19.14, I get the error:

    make-indirect-buffer not yet implemented, oops

Will it be implemented in 19.15?

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> 
> * Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
> | Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
> 
> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of

you spend 12 hours/day, 365 days a year in front of a terminal?
perhaps there's a bigger problem here...

-pjf

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From: Jason McLaren <mclaren@cs.uregina.ca>
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Subject: Re: probs building on dec-ultrix4.2
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alfordjj@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Jared J. Alford) writes:
> I'm trying to build xemacs (with gcc) on a DECstation 5000/240 running
> ultrix4.2, and everything works fine until it tries to link.  At
>that point, I get this error:
[error postponed to the end of the message]

This error sounds kind of like an error a bunch of us were discussing
here a few weeks ago. Try the following:

edit emacs.c line 1624 to "extern char my_data[30];"

Also, I use a -G value of 0. Try running configure with
        --cflags="-G 0 -g -o", --rel-alloc=no

You might also want to put the following in src/s/ultrix-4.2.h:

#undef HAVE_MMAP
#undef REL_ALLOC           # yes, I think this is redundant
#define SYSTEM_MALLOC 1

I didn't edit emacs.c, but with the rest of these changes, I got it to
compile. [BTW - thanks everyone for your help!]

Hope this helps. There's also a web page somewhere with patches to get
xemacs 19.13 to compile with ultrix (pointer, anyone?).

Jason

[description of error follows]
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
>               0 in the positive direction,
>          220336 in the negative direction.
> ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
> emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
> emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation
> entry 527 for symbol: my_edata
> emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
> Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs
> with is 12 
> Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
> -count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
> equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
> 
> I've tried to compile with different -G numbers, but I just get the
> same error with a different recommendation for the -G number.  Can
anyone offer me some advice on this?  Thanks.
> Jared Alford
> alfordjj@purdue.edu

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See ftp://ftp.eda.com.au/pub/emacs/vhdl-mode.tar.gz

Rod Whitby <rwhitby@asc.corp.mot.com>
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Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com> writes:

> bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
> 
> > For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
> > programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
> > etc.
[...]

> In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
> unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
> one who has this problem...

Sorry I have to disagree.

I don't have any problem on SunOS 4.1.3 (on a Sparc2 --really-- with
24Mb of RAM, from an x-terminal via xdm). However I must admit that I
had to turn off func-menu's auto-rescan and display-in-modeline. But
that's all. I'm spending my time on programming and typing text:
XEmacs (+cc-mode+auctex) is simply the best environment I've ever
met. I've very happy that I can *also* read mail and news easily with
it.

I've seen several people complaining about XEmacs' startup time: this
is simply irrelevant for me, since the instance of XEmacs from which I
post was started 17 days ago.

I tried several times to get into Emacs, but found it really too hard
to use. Maybe now (after one or two years spent on XEmacs) I could be
able to do something with it. Not sure. I won't try: I simply have no
time to spend on the tools, I just need to use them.

My 0.02 euros.

---Alain.


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karlon@bnr.ca (Karlon West) wrote:

>Peter J. Schenk (rdielec@chelsea.ios.com) wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,

>> I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
>> going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

>> I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
>> learning all the time.

>> My question to you is:

>> Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
>> subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

>My advice: Go to http://www.jumbo.com/ and try to find a grammar checker
>before writing a sentence like the one above on your class paper.

>> It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
>> cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
>> might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
>> paper.

>> Thanks for your help,

>> PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

There is nothing secrative about the Internet.  That's the whole
point.  If it is out there, you can find it, whatever it happens to
be.



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In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
>> Attention all regexp-erts:
>> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
>> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

>`C-q C-j'

>-- 
>Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
>--------------------------------+--------------------------------
>I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J". 

(btw.  The only other key with the same behaviour is ^I which gives me
a tab of course)

Help,
Jon

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
> | Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
> | thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.
> 
> XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without constantly
> portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge on it,

For many people the choice is not "should I try using XEmacs instead
of cat" but "should I try using XEmacs instead of Emacs".  To
enumerate basic differences is thus understandable.

> and without
> ridiculing that from which they came, that without which they would not
> exist.  you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites, towards
> XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_ of the hostilities
> from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs and folks towards Emacs.  this
> is patently unfair.  I object to that unfairness.

Would you care to quote some bad verbage from the current FAQ and NEWS
files?  I am unable to see anything akin to that which you describe in
the current versions.

I agree that there *were* times when the FAQ was pretty outspoken
(some XEmacs maintainer must have been real mad at RMS, for whatever
reason, at that time), but this has been cleaned up.

The most I see of hostility and hate messages towards the "other camp"
nowadays is from you.

BTW, in case you missed it: XEmacs is freeware under the GPL (being a
derived work from GNU Emacs, it never could be anything different) and
freely available in source, so I find your rants about the "commercial
traits" of XEmacs and its marketing and whatever slightly obtuse.

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Universitaetsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany

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In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:


> 
> once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
> find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
>  ...
> 
> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
> could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
> enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
> alert some of them to this message.  thanks.
> 

I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
says.

In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between computer tool
user groups?  Is this human nature?  Is there too much sting to the emailed
word?  Being this close you would think that we would stick together.  Would
someone write a book and explain this to poor us.

-- 

William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com

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Hi there,



I have a question concerning XEmacs 19.14. Is there any

variable/function besides 'pop-up-frames' that controls if XEmacs

creates a new frame? It seems like there must be one, since 'C-x C-b'

creates a new frame (and compile, gdb, ...) every time even with

'pop-up-frames' set to nil, which is very annoying. Unfortunately I

didn't find anything in the Info or FAQ...



TIA for any hints,

Thomas

-- 
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Hello,

I just started using the tags features of (x)emacs, it works great.
Only one problem ... when i press M-. and go to the the corresponding
function definition, how do i get back ?  I want to be able to go back
to the position where i pressed M-. after i have inspected the function
definition. Is this possible ? Now i don't have to search my file anymore
for the position where i defined the function but instead i have to search
the other way around :(

Greetings,
Gunther,

E-mail: vinckeg@sebb.bel.alcatel.be










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>>"MB" == Martin Boyer schrieb am Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:27:13 GMT:
In article <x74tj3wgri.fsf@amadeus.ireq.ca> Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:


 MB> Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:
 >> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is
 >> superior to xemacs.

 MB> 1. Emacs is faster, specially on character-based terminals.
 MB> 2. Emacs starts much faster.  3. Emacs is smaller, but that isn't
 MB> noticeable for most users.  4. I don't remember in which *year*
 MB> Emacs last crashed on me.  XEmacs has crashed on me or a user
 MB> here every week for versions 19.12, 19.13, and 19.14 (the latest
 MB> version).  I have been told this is due to garbage-collection
 MB> bugs, which are very difficult to debug.  5. The Emacs "core" is

This is very interesting. In fact I'm using XEmacs (19.11 through to
19.14) since almost three years now on Sun, Solaris and Linux. I
encountered some problems some times but mostly they had to do with
packages which had some bugs in them. I *never* had any real crash
with XEmacs up to this week when the new version of Ilisp 5.8 came out
which crashed XEmacs 19.14 twice (which was the reason to reinstall 5.7
again).

So, I am just curious, when happend the crashes, what did the users do
to kill it ? (Note, I'm just a private not somebody devoted to
developing XEmacs.) Perhaps this has to do with the type of machines
XEmacs runs on ?

Holger
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   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
   www_home_page("http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~schauer/index.html").

(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?

Look everybody, can we please stop this thread? Two things must be
abundantly clear by now.

1. Erik Naggum is an unhappy, tormented soul who finds it impossible to
write articles in an objective and courteous manner. It is therefore very
difficult
to take him seriously. 

He clearly needs help, so I suggest the following therapy program.  Unless
he writes in a constructive & polite fashion we should simply ignore all
further articles from him.

2. The war between XEmacs and GNU Emacs is never going to be resolved, and in
our heart of hearts we all know that. Therefore these endless flames are just
a waste of bandwidth.

-- David


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>>>>> oly@russ.harvard.edu (Oliver Oberdorf):

> I couldn't send tou your email address for some
> reason...

> (X)Emacs kill files use LISP, which is a very nice thing

Emacs kill files is also old-fashioned.  I suggest you read up on
score files, which is a far more flexible mechanism
	C-h i m gnus RET m scoring RET


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From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH <Basile.Starynkevitch@cea.fr>
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Subject: Q: xemacsclient?
Date: 07 Nov 1996 13:20:30 +0100
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Hello All,

(I've read quicky the FAQ and didn't found the answer, but I might missed it).

What is the Xemacs-19.14 way of making a running xemacs edit a file,
eg from a shell script. GNU emacs had emacsclient, and I'm missing it.


N.B. Any opinions expressed here are solely mine, and not of my organization.
N.B. Les opinions exprimees ici me sont personnelles et n engagent pas le CEA.

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From: Bruce Anderson <andersb@morgan.com>
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Subject: interactive changed 19.13 --> 19.14
Date: 07 Nov 1996 07:43:25 -0500
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I have some lisp that works in 19.13 and produces an error in 19.14.
The problem revolves around use of (interactive "i").
Anyone know how I can interactively select a string from an alist via
interactive?

(defvar ms-project "home"
  "*Current project name used for CVS")
(defvar ms-project-alist 
      '(
	("home" . ("/ms/user/a/andersb/cvsmaster" 
		   "/ms/user/a/andersb/autoQuotes/elisp"
		   "/ms/user/a/andersb/autoQuotes/elisp/"))
	("gdp" . ("/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/cvsmaster"
		  "/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/emacs/lisp"
		  "/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/emacs/insertions"))
	)
      )

(defun set-project (proj)
  (interactive "i")
  ;; remove current project's load-path element
  (setq load-path (delete (nth 2 (assoc ms-project ms-project-alist))
			  load-path))
 (if (interactive-p)
     (setq ms-project (completing-read
		       "Project: "
		       ms-project-alist
		       nil t ms-project))
   (setq ms-project proj)
   )
 )

(provide 'set-project)

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Is there a printed version of the xemacs lisp reference version 19.14 
manual that I can purchase?

I've looked in the FAQ and info browser with no luck.

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)
    Hrvoje> wrote:
    >> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me.  It
    >> should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a
    >> file and then process the function ht-expand on this file. I
    >> tried the following: xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f
    >> ht-expand

    Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
    Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand

This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 

	End of stream: "internal input stream"


Any help?

	Jens

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Subject: Re: Q: xemacsclient?


Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient

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From: Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr>
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Subject: need help with movemail under xemacs!!!
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Hi,

I've just installed xemacs and i found it great for developping in C++,
but i have a problem for reading mail.

I can send mail without any problem but when I try "Read Mail (VM)" or
"Read Mail (MH)" command, it says:


movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source file lib-src/movemail.c

movemail exited with code 1


Could someone help me, please ??


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Subject: Re: etags problem ...



Redefine tags search by setting a bookmark before searching your tag :

(defun my-tags-search (regexp)
  (interactive "sTags search (regexp): ")
  (bookmark-set "tags-search here")
  (tags-search regexp)
  )

(defun my-tags-back ()
  (interactive)
  (bookmark-jump "tags-search here")
  (bookmark-remove "tags-search here"))

Once you want to go back, type my-tags-back. This will jump you cursor
on the first tags-search.

Bind the functions on your favorite key.

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>>>>> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr> writes:

    Abdelrazak> movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source
    Abdelrazak> file lib-src/movemail.c

    Abdelrazak> movemail exited with code 1
    Abdelrazak> Could someone help me, please ??

movemail does not have the right permissions to access the mail
files. Make it setgid, and it will work. That is:

chgrp mail movemail
chmod g+s movemail

You'll need to be root for this.

Richard.


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Subject: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text
in XEmacs?   And why doesn't it work the
same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have
to enter is M-x iso-accents-mode and that's it!

Sean 

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Whereas XEmacs developers advocate data abstraction
> (like specialized types for keymaps etc.), GNU Emacs developers are
> against it.

I think the term `information hiding' is more accurate than `data
abstraction'.  GNU Emacs supports many of the same abstract
interfaces, but without any attempt to hide the underlying
implementation.

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In article <55s9rm$o3h@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> vinckeg@btmpb5.com (Gunther Vincke we221 8252 ) writes:

> From: vinckeg@btmpb5.com (Gunther Vincke we221 8252 )
> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
> Date: 7 Nov 1996 09:24:06 GMT
> Organization: Alcatel/Bell
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just started using the tags features of (x)emacs, it works great.
> Only one problem ... when i press M-. and go to the the corresponding
> function definition, how do i get back ?  I want to be able to go back
> to the position where i pressed M-. after i have inspected the function
> definition. Is this possible ? Now i don't have to search my file anymore
> for the position where i defined the function but instead i have to search
> the other way around :(
> 
> Greetings,
> Gunther,
> 
> E-mail: vinckeg@sebb.bel.alcatel.be


M-* (pop-tag-mark) will take you back to the place from where you did M-.
You can do successive M-. and build a stack which can be popped with M-*

You can also get this through Tools/Tags menu (Xemacs 19.14)

prasad
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From: nilakant@cs.nyu.edu (Niranjan Nilakantan)
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When I start the oo-browser, and ask it to build an environment in a 
directory with some Java files, and then load the environment, nothing 
happens i.e. no classes are displayed.  The same thing happened for a
directory of C++ files.  What could the problem be?

Niranjan.


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Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

> C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
> then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  

When I try this in 19.14, I get
"no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"

buffer-history is nil.

It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?

Bill.

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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

> I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say stolid --

This sounds sort of familiar...

> insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you disagree with my
> claim that we have come full-circle, then read no further. We don't
> have to stand for this!  Because we continue to share a common, albeit
> abused, atmospheric envelope, his yes-men are uninformed at best, the
> downfall of society at worst. Nice try to destabilize society,
> Naggum. His supporters can't defend their communications. The notion
> that I by no means claim to know everything about the worst sorts of
> contemptible self-deceiving paper-pushers I've ever seen is
> pervasive. 

Wait a minute.  I know I've read things like this before (no, no, not just
from Naggum)...

[snip]

> (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

Ah-ha!  I knew it!

Excellent.

--
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William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote:
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

"XEmacs crows" is not as hostile to GNU Emacs as Erik would like them
to be.  Of course, you can believe Erik's word, or you can try reading
the thread and finding who uses the word like "liar", "idiot",
"insane", etc.  Feel free to read the XEmacs FAQ (it's posted on
comp.emacs.xemacs) and find all those foul wordings.

Or, you can trust Erik.  It's up to you.

-- 
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Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
> >`C-q C-j'
> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".

So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
definitely makes no "havoc".

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From: Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk>
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Subject: Common lisp libraries between emacs and xemacs
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I am attempting to set-up and maintain both GNU Emacs and XEmacs on
the same system, and I am sure there must be a lot of common lisp
code, as some of the packages must be synced.  Would anyone care to
share with me a strategy for combining bith the lisp directories (by
soft links or otherwise) to ensure that only identical files are
eliminated, and that it is easy to maintain after upgrades etc.

Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability
of all code, and ensure that the most appropriate version is run for
each of the emacsen, but I am not really sure how to do this (ISTR
that there are elisp files setting up the paths...) and the
elimination of duplication looks like a nightmare.

Can anyone help me?


Pete

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Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
> >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>     Hrvoje> Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)
>     Hrvoje> wrote:
>     >> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me.  It
>     >> should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a
>     >> file and then process the function ht-expand on this file. I
>     >> tried the following: xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f
>     >> ht-expand
>     Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
>     Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand
> This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 
> 	End of stream: "internal input stream"

Does the same thing work when XEmacs is interactive, e.g.:
`C-x C-f index.pht RET M-: (load "htexpand.el") RET M-x ht-expand RET'

If that works, I don't know...

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William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote:
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

"XEmacs crowd" is not as hostile to GNU Emacs as Erik would like them
to be.  Of course, you can believe Erik's word, or you can try reading
the thread and finding who uses the word like "liar", "idiot",
"insane", etc.  Feel free to read the XEmacs FAQ (it's posted on
comp.emacs.xemacs) and find all those foul wordings.

Or, you can trust Erik.  It's up to you.

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Peter Riocreux (p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk) wrote:
> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
> directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability

This is not doable at the moment because both Emacsen run
byte-compiled code (for speed gain), and it can hardly be shared
within them, since it is not common to both.

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>>>>> "William" == William Paul Vrotney <vrotney@netcom.com> writes:

William> In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum
William> <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

>>  once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I
>> tried to find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to
>> the Emacs crowd.  ...
>> 
>> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks
>> who could have had some use for this message to have seen red and
>> become all enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think
>> it's worth it, alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

William> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs,
William> not knowing why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a

So, based on one post, you are going to never even bother to look at
XEmacs. Wow. You can reach conclusions on very little information it
would seem. ;)

William> reason for it's existence with GNU Emacs being there for us.
William> It might serve as a healthy competition for GNU Emacs (and
William> vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
William> says.

I'm a little confused by this whole thread. I have only been really
following the xemacs newsgroup for the last year or so, but I have yet
to see any of this "XEmacs Crowd" venom that so many of you are
talking about. In fact, the most abusive postings I have seen on the
issue were the ones by Erik. ;( To me, and perhaps to many others,
Erik seemed to just come out of the starting gate with a
flamethrower. Perhaps this is justified by things he has heard from
the "XEmacs crowd" in the past, but it seems unfounded to me.
Can anyone give me concrete examples of this hatred from the "XEmacs
crowd"? Perhaps it was so in the past, but I don't see it
today. Perhaps I have just had blinders on...articles/dejanews
pointers/etc appreciated. 

When someone asks which Emacs to use in the xemacs group, the replies
that I have seen have always been helpfull and informative. XEmacs
people have no problem pointing out that XEmacs is slower than Emacs,
and that in many cases Emacs is the one to use. Also, I think having
XEmacs around has improved Emacs. Each seeing features in the other
that they should implement...

I know the XEmacs FAQ used to have some poorly written and hostle
things in it, but for the most part those seem to have been re-written
and/or removed. Can anyone in the Emacs crowd find any other parts of
the XEmacs FAQ that angers them??

William> In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between
William> computer tool user groups?  Is this human nature?  Is there
William> too much sting to the emailed word?  Being this close you
William> would think that we would stick together.  Would someone
William> write a book and explain this to poor us.

I think it's partly due to the fact that people want the tool they are
working on to be the best. It's really hard (and against human nature)
to spend a lot of time and effort making your tool better and then say
"Their tool is still much better than mine". If you put down the other
tool, it makes you work seem more fullfilling. Of course, we can
overcome this...just takes effort. 

William> William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com

kevin
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>>>>> "WPV" == William Paul Vrotney <vrotney@netcom.com> writes:

    WPV> In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between
    WPV> computer tool user groups?  Is this human nature?

Yes, it is.  It's because the environments we use on a daily basis is
our religion, and humans will fight to the death to defend their
religions.

Why does vi still exist when we have Emacs?  Why does Emacs still
exist when there are perfectly good commercial IDE's that will do it
all for you?  For that matter, why does Unix still exist since we now
have Windows?  Or FORTRAN now that we have Java?   etc., etc...

-Barry

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Subject: Re: Common lisp libraries between emacs and xemacs
Date: 07 Nov 1996 10:17:45 -0800
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Peter Riocreux (p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk) wrote:

>> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both directories, but
>> in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability

> This is not doable at the moment because both Emacsen run byte-compiled code
> (for speed gain), and it can hardly be shared within them, since it is not
> common to both.

I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one direction (I
think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

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>>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

[...pre-generated complaint letter...]

> (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

Was this really useful...?

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>>>>> "EN" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

    EN> XEmacs will forever be mired in the manure from which it rose,
    EN> people who went away in anger and did their own thing because
    EN> they were unable to explain themselves well enough to have
    EN> others take part in their vision.

I don't subscribe to this cynical view.  I see that intelligent,
experienced software developers can have legitimate differences in
design goals, technology adoption, and political aims, which lead to
very different end results.  The fact that the early Lucid design team
had their own requirements that didn't mesh with RMS's (and vice
versa) is how the split occurred in the first place.  That a
significant number of users support both points of view is why the
split continues, and why we will likely never see a merge.
Fortunately, the GPL permits this to occur, and I'm one of those who
thinks the cross fertilization has been a good thing.

Respect works both ways.  You cannot expect to get it if you don't
give it.

-Barry

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Subject: Re: oo-browser help?
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>>>>> "Niranjan" == Niranjan Nilakantan <nilakant@cs.nyu.edu> writes:

> When I start the oo-browser, and ask it to build an environment in a 
> directory with some Java files, and then load the environment, nothing 
> happens i.e. no classes are displayed.  The same thing happened for a
> directory of C++ files.  What could the problem be?

Coding style?  Perhaps it didn't recognize the classes when it saw them?

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>>>>> "David" == David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:

> Look everybody, can we please stop this thread? Two things must be
> abundantly clear by now.

> 1. Erik Naggum is an unhappy, tormented soul who finds it impossible to
> write articles in an objective and courteous manner. It is therefore very
> difficult to take him seriously.

> He clearly needs help, so I suggest the following therapy program.  Unless
> he writes in a constructive & polite fashion we should simply ignore all
> further articles from him.

Many of the articles he has posted over the last few days were both impolite
and unconstructive.  However, there was one article that at least gave a good
view of what his objections to XEmacs are, even though the article was still
done in an impolite manner.  Given the heat in this argument, its probably
ludicrous to expect politeness.  That article at least represented a beginning
at thawing out this cold war.

> 2. The war between XEmacs and GNU Emacs is never going to be resolved, and in
> our heart of hearts we all know that. Therefore these endless flames are just
> a waste of bandwidth.

Most people realize that XEmacs and GNU Emacs must coexist.  If they choose to
go entirely separate paths, then many (if not all) package developers will
have to choose which one to support -- it will just be too costly in time to
support both.  When that happens, both variants of Emacs will suffer.

That said, it sounds like there is cooperation happening between the camps.
Another article reported that a function/variable in Emacs had had its name
changed by RMS at the request of Ben.  There is hope...

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David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one direction (I
> think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

It is true that .elc files generated by XEmacs 19.14 will run on GNU
Emacs 19.34, but not always.  Some major packages (like tm) *have* to
be recompiled for the specific Emacs in order to work properly.

With things like 'eval-when-compile some things are hard-coded in
.elc-s and cannot be run by the other flavor of Emacs.

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>>>>> "PG" == Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> writes:

[pop3.el]

PG> Has anybody got any details on its use?

pop3.el is a "generic" interface to a POP3 (RFC 1460) mail server,
implementing most of the full specification, excepting the useless LIST
command.  Though vm-pop was an inspiration, pop3 is conceptually quite
different from vm-pop.  vm-pop is an Emacs-Lisp implementation of the
POP retrieval code in movemail; pop3 is a nearly complete implementation
of the POP3 command set.

Use of pop3 is straightforward.  The only external dependancy is for the
md5 hash algorithm for APOP authentication; if you are using XEmacs then
the md5 hashing is built in, otherwise you will need to get md5.el from
the Emacs-Lisp archives.  All of the configuation variables are
documented, and their use should be obvious.  The pop3-movemail function
is included as a replacement for the movemail program.  It demonstrates
how the various POP3 functions are invoked to connect to a server and
retrieve any mail on that server.

If you want to use pop3.el instead of movemail or vm-pop or whatever
other retrieval program, just set the pop3-* variables appropriately and
invoke pop3-movemail with an optional file name for a crashbox.

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* Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
| I think it's partly due to the fact that people want the tool they are
| working on to be the best. It's really hard (and against human nature) to
| spend a lot of time and effort making your tool better and then say
| "Their tool is still much better than mine".  If you put down the other
| tool, it makes you work seem more fullfilling.  Of course, we can overcome
| this...just takes effort.

I don't think that goes against human nature at all.  what does go against
human nature is even considering any actually good qualities of something
that is _not_ better than your own (in very many significant respects, but
not all), if the guys behind that other tool attacks yours as "inferior" or
actively work to block your progress.

in a world of cooperation, acknowledgements such as "his is better than
mine" is the norm, because it means one may borrow, trade, or otherwise
exchange ideas, implementations, whatnot.  in a world of competition, "his
is better than mine" is a suggestion to your customers to go elsewhere.
since this may well mean that you'll starve or be poor or whatever, it's
the nature of _competition_ that makes it wrong to praise your competitors,
unless you're very certain to win and can afford it.

XEmacs has chosen a path of competition.  Emacs still maintains a path of
cooperation, but not the "democratic" style that some people want.

#\Erik
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scoubidou!delarue@mail.uu.net (Christophe Delarue) writes:

> 
> 
> Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Christophe DELARUE			
> 

Ummm, what he said, except use gnuclient instead. 
(...et lance gnuclient) :)

Etienne

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Hi,

I'm using tm 7.85 with Gnus v5.2.33/XEmacs 19.14

It works fine, but for some posts (eg. everything from Richard
Cognot) it fires up a small xterm titled "more". This takes time
and is annoying since I have to move the mouse pointer to that
window in order to scroll through. When I'm done I get this
message the article buffer: 

---Executing: shownonascii
Your font path appears to be correctly set.
Running xterm to display text in iso-8859-1, please wait...

Surely it should be possible to display such a message in an
XEmacs buffer, so is there any way to configure tm to do that? 

Many thanks ..

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Mike Atkinson  <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:
 >Hi there
 >
 >I've looked at the distribution site for a XEmacs version for AIX
 >4.1.x, but only see a version for 3.2.5
 >(xemacs-19.14-rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5.tar.gz), which reportedly crashes on
 >startup.  Is there a more recent version available anywhere?
 >
 >Please copy any response to sfurnival@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com.
 >
 >Thanks for any response.

	There is indeed an xemacs-19.14-powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0.tar.gz.  It is
available from the main XEmacs site, ftp.xemacs.org.

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From: Patrick Giagnocavo <support@xinside.com>
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
<a whole bunch of other people wrote too!>

GOOD GRIEF!

No wonder Unix is slow to get into the business market, but thrives in
academia (and I say this as someone working for a commercial software
publisher):  the reason everyone's so petty is because the stakes are so
small.  

The reason I use Xemacs is because it was preconfigured with VM, etc. 
And I wanted to try out GNUS, etc.  For someone who previously used vi,
all this configuration stuff for Emacs was too hard to figure out. 
Maybe later, I will switch to Emacs on some other systems since I now
understand how everything is configured, and I will have a lower end box
to run it on.

The reason people use an OS (or a text editor) is because it solves a
problem or fills a need.  Windows sure as heck doesn't win on technical
merits, but it's out there in volume because it is seen as providing a
solution (the unstated problem is apparently putting money in BG's
pockets).

Why don't you folks grow up?  What does having two Emacsen mean, except
that the 'market' or 'number of people wanting to use this' is high
enough to support it?  That is, both programs fill a need.

I am not going to continue dignifying this thread with any more
responses.  I urge everyone else to do the same.  Use what you like.  

Cordially
--
Patrick Giagnocavo - patrick@xinside.com
X Inside Incorporated - Accelerated X Servers
Technical Support Department

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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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From: Laura Harding <harding@sde.hp.com>
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Subject: Change background color of mini-buffer?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:08:30 -0700
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Is there a way to change the background color of just the mini-buffer?

Thanks,
laura

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From: jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (John W. Coomes)
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pez@dwwc.com (Peter Pezaris) writes:
>     David> Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this
>     David> should be an easy one. I use XEmacs for
>     David> programming.  I want to be able to mark two
>     David> spots and flip between the two easily.
>     David> ...
> 
> Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
> C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
> exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
> deactivate the region.
> 
> Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
> (i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
> mark.

Emacs Registers are another option, and are especially handy if you
use regions frequently for cut/paste, narrowing, etc. (like I do), and
thus frequently update the mark.  From the info page:

	Saving Positions in Registers
	=============================
	   Saving a position records a spot in a buffer so you can
	move back there later.  Moving to a saved position re-selects
	the buffer and moves point to the spot.

	`C-x r SPC R'
	     Save the location of point in register R
	     (`point-to-register').
	`C-x r j R'
	     Jump to the location saved in register R
	     (`register-to-point').

Register names are single characters, so you can have a bunch of them,
and bind them mnemonically.
-- 
John W. Coomes

jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu
http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jcoomes

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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> Hi there,
Thomas> I have a question concerning XEmacs 19.14. Is there any
Thomas> variable/function besides 'pop-up-frames' that controls if XEmacs
Thomas> creates a new frame?

Check the `Options->"Other Window" Location' menu on the menubar.  The
variables it modifies are
get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit and temp-buffer-show-function.

The former is undocumented, the latter's documentation is:

temp-buffer-show-function's value is show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Non-nil means call as function to display a help buffer.
The function is called with one argument, the buffer to be displayed.
Used by `with-output-to-temp-buffer'.
If this function is used, then it must do the entire job of showing
the buffer; `temp-buffer-show-hook' is not run unless this function runs it.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: C/C++ indenting question
Date: 07 Nov 1996 18:49:50 -0500
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I'm trying to make cc-mode indent my C/C++ code so that it follows my
style.  I've been reading all about the indenting variables and have
played around with them for quite some time, but I still can't figure
out how to get the following to work.
I want 
if(a<b)
{
<tab>a=b;
}

instead of 
if(a<b) {
<tab>a=b;
}


Can someone please tell me how to do this?
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: Georges KO <m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw>
Subject: Re: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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skelley@primenet.com (Sean V. Kelley) writes:

> Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text in XEmacs?  And why doesn't
> it work the same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have to enter is M-x
> iso-accents-mode and that's it!

	You can use x-compose.el to use Right-Alt (on my PC keyboard,
which is, I guess, interpreted as Compose) to input such characters:
`' is input with `Compose-` e'.
-- 
 Georges KO [ m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw http://mtc.ntnu.edu.tw:52021/~m52021/ ]

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From: mcrocker@@uunet.uu.net (Mark Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Cut & Copy
Date: 7 Nov 1996 23:48:16 GMT
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I recently switched from lemacs to XEmacs and am having problems with
cut/copy and paste that didn't occur with lemacs.  In fact, lemacs was
the ONLY program I have ever come across on my SUN station that
allowed cut and paste to/from ALL of the other tools, so I'm
dissapointed to lose this versatility with a newer version!

Specifically the problem occurs when attempting to copy from xemacs
running under mwm (Motif Window Manager) to any openwin tool, such as
the openwin version of textedit.  Strangely enough, it works going the
other way.  

In lemacs, I had to use the copy or cut key after highlighting the
appropriate text to copy the text to the clipboard.  Then pushing the
paste key after changing the focus to the openwin tool pasted the text
into the tool.

To make this work, I had to define the following keys in my .emacs:

(global-set-key '[(f16)] 'x-copy-primary-selection)
(global-set-key '[(f18)] 'x-yank-clipboard-selection)
(global-set-key '[(f20)] 'x-kill-primary-selection)

XEmacs doesn't seem to offer this versatility (though the key bindings
are already set) because the openwin tool doesn't respond at all when
the paste key is pushed.  When selecting paste from a menu, the
openwin tools always complains that the clipboard is empty.
xclipboard also shows that the clipboard is empty after highlighting
text in XEmacs and after pushing the copy or cut key or selecting copy
or cut from the XEmacs menus.

The XEmacs FAQ mentions a similar problem for pasting to cmdtool's,
but the suggested solution of opening xclipboard doesn't help.

Any suggestions on how to get this to work would be appreciated.

				Thanks;
					Mark Crocker
					mcrocker@micron.com

Reference:

The versions I'm referring to are:

GNU Emacs 19.9 Lucid of Tue Jan 11 1994 on thalidomide
(berkeley-unix)"

for lemacs and,

XEmacs 19.13 of Thu Aug 31 1995 on douglas.cs.uiuc.edu (berkeley-unix)
[formerly Lucid Emacs]" for XEmacs.

for XEmacs.

My computer is a SUN SPARC station 10.

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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: tm package with xemacs
Date: 07 Nov 1996 09:31:47 -0800
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Greetings.

I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
I used to use it with GNU emacs without problems.

Reading mime messages with rmail doesn't work.  Using
'v' will take you into the message but things aren't
extracted. 

Gnus sometimes will work correctly, but often crashes.

I know this isn't a very descriptive message, but I'm more
interested in seeing if people are actually using tm with
Xemacs.

If you are using it, did you have to do anything special
to get it to work?  Any compile or make concerns that I
should be aware of?

Any help appreciated.

--Kevin


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I am wanting to compile xemacs 19.14 on an alpha running redhat 4.0 (ELF, not
ECOFF). I'm having some minor problems, for example the makefiles generated by
configure have some C code inserted in them (a new one for me), and the usual
ifdef stuff. I imagine that I could get it to compile with some effort, but
if anybody else has already done it I would be grateful. Thanks.

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: need help with movemail under xemacs!!!
Date: 07 Nov 1996 22:45:08 -0600
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Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr> writes:
> I've just installed xemacs and i found it great for developping in C++,
> but i have a problem for reading mail.
> 
> I can send mail without any problem but when I try "Read Mail (VM)" or
> "Read Mail (MH)" command, it says:
> movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source file lib-src/movemail.c

You might find the following helpful.  Works for me.  Not sure if it is
a "good" or "best" method though.  

Please search in gnu.emacs.sources for the sources.  If you have trouble
finding it, please contact me for a copy by mail.

== Begin included article
Subject: Re: movemail, POP, Gnus: How to read mail
References: <3p20eeu6p7.fsf@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>
	<3pbudh90zi.fsf@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>
From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Date: 01 Nov 1996 15:52:54 -0600
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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> > I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> > required setgid.  We do use POP.
> > 
> > What best can I do in this situation ?
>
> ..., this is how I am able to
> read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
> permission to movemail.
> 
> 1. popclient3 (beta) 
> 2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
> 3. ~/.gnus:
>       (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
>       (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")

A shar file of a "safer" wrapper script, improved error reporting,
corrected options, and installation help will be posted to
gnu.emacs.sources shortly after posting this article with the same
subject line.
== End included article

You might also want to explore using pop3.el, which is available in the
rgnus distribution, I understand.  I haven't tried that approach yet.
Please refer to a recent article by Richard Pieri in this newsgroup
(message id: <x73eyl3nvo.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>) for more info.

-- 

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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: C/C++ indenting question
Date: 08 Nov 1996 00:33:12 -0500
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Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:

> 
> I'm trying to make cc-mode indent my C/C++ code so that it follows my
> style.  I've been reading all about the indenting variables and have
> played around with them for quite some time, but I still can't figure
> out how to get the following to work.
> I want 
> if(a<b)
> {
> <tab>a=b;
> }
> 
> instead of 
> if(a<b) {
> <tab>a=b;
> }
> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to do this?

Please reply to jpschewe@mtu.edu or just post.  I can't seem to get gnus
to set the replay to correctly.  Any help on this would be appreciated.
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 07 Nov 1996 13:02:38 -0700
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>>>>> "RI" == Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com> writes:
[snip]
RI> In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
RI> unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
RI> one who has this problem...[snip]

Ditto here, though I'm running Solaris 2.4. Only thing I really miss is the
'smiley' icons embedded in mail and news articles... :-)

-- 
Brad Howes                          Motorola E-Mail ID: XBH001
EMT Development                     SMTP E-Mail: bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com
Motorola Corporate - MD H1780       Voice: 602 441 1522  Fax: 602 441 5455

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

Erik> XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without
Erik> constantly portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge
Erik> on it, and without ridiculing that from which they came, that
Erik> without which they would not exist.

Agreed.

Erik> you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites,
Erik> towards XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_
Erik> of the hostilities from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs
Erik> and folks towards Emacs.  this is patently unfair.  I object to
Erik> that unfairness.

Agreed.  Hostilities real or imagined in XEmacs documentation have
been systematically eliminated over the past seven months.

As far as some of the commentary in the source code, I don't much care
for some of it, but consider this comment:

   In contrast, anybody who gets offended by a kernel comment that
   says bad things about Sun is either a sun employee who was part of
   the team who did the f*ck-up (in which case it's ok to offend him
   ;), OR he is getting offended for no good reason. People _do_ f*ck
   up, and it's ok to point that out.

            Linus "Better offended than bored" Torvalds

The full message is at:

	http://xp8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=1863870&server=dnserver.db96q3&CONTEXT=847430681.29606&hitnum=1

Or do a power dejanews search on ``linus torvalds politically
correct'' with the `old news' option selected.

If it makes you feel any better, the worst comment I've seen in the
XEmacs source describes replacement code written in a fashion that is
*extremely* ill-thought out.

Erik> I don't know who began, I don't know what each has done in the
Erik> past outside of the written record and what I have heard, but
Erik> what I do know is that no Emacs developer (past or present) has
Erik> a web page explaining why it is impossible to cooperate with any
Erik> XEmacs developer,

The only one of these I know of is jwz's page, and it is more of a
joke than anything else.  The portion of the XEmacs FAQ dealing with
this issue was purged.  I've ignored numerous requests to bring it
back.

The only mention of this on the XEmacs.org web site is in the on-line
version of the NEWS file and is preceded by the following disclaimer:

  Here is what one XEmacs developer said about this issue.

  DISCLAIMER: This is provided for informational purposes only and
  does _NOT_ necessarily represent the opinions of any of the other
  XEmacs developers or of any of the organizations involved.  Keep in
  mind that this is a highly charged issue with differing and
  strongly-held opinions held by the various parties involved.

Erik> there are no web pages implicitly or explicity
Erik> saying that Emacs is superior to XEmacs, even though it is in
Erik> very many respects.

Why not?  There certainly should be IMO.

Erik> I don't know what made the previous author of the answer to
Erik> question 5.1.1 in the XEmacs FAQ use "braindamaged" and other
Erik> unnecessary hostilities towards Emacs in a supposedly
Erik> informative document to help XEmacs users.

Erik, that answer was removed and replaced word for word with your
commentary (and against my usual policy, unedited).  Is that not a
gesture of good will on our part?  Will you please let this point
rest?

Erik> however, these are very typical of the attitudes harbored by
Erik> XEmacs folks.  (notwithstanding Chuck Thompson's attempts to say
Erik> that if anybody talks about "XEmacs folks", they must talk about
Erik> him, and since he doesn't enage in this, then nobody does.)
Erik> further, I do not at all understand what the problems that
Erik> others have had with Emacs suggestions refer to, and I must
Erik> conclude that it was all of their own making.

Erik> in contrast to this, I have seen so much abuse from the XEmacs
Erik> crowd over the past few years that I just can't remain calm
Erik> towards people who take such obvious pleasure in destruction.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no desire to see GNU Emacs
go away, and I have no desire to wage a war against GNU Emacs.

 ...
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 >> "Brady" == Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu> writes:

 Brady> I imagine that I could get it to compile with some effort, but
 Brady> if anybody else has already done it I would be
 Brady> grateful. Thanks.

In fact, somebody really did.
Unfortunately there are no patches available, but you can get the
binaries. Below I appended the corresponding message from the
axp-linux mailinglist.

Bye,
Markus


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From: "Zarmfab Software Development" <fabsoft@fabsoft2.zarm.uni-bremen.de>
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i'll try to answer some questions at once:

sorry, no complete set of patches, because building xemacs was
not so straightforward as it should be:

first, i patched the configuration files src/m/alpha.h and src/s/linux.h
to allow a meaningfull combination of linux and __alpha.

After running configure, all Makefiles contained a junk line typedef... , i simply
commented them out.

the build of temacs now failed when linking the static libraries liblw.a and
libcompface.a. According to richard's hints, i converted them into dynamic libs,
and added a linker option to the Makefile in src.

now temacs built well, but was not able to build xemacs.

Again, as richard suggested, i threw in the unexecelf1.c from emacs 19.34, patched
the config files again, did configure again ...

Finally, i got a dynamically linked xemacs, that needs two nonstandard libs, namely,
liblw.so and libcompface.so. 

The binaries can be downloaded by ftp from 

ftp://fabsoft.zarm.uni-bremen.de/pub/xemacs-19.14-elf-axp.bin.tgz

the archive contains only the binaries and the version-specific libs.




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When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its value as 4.
But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get a tab 8 spaces wide.

However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88 96 104 112
120)

So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to 4 and (4 8
12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

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You might for example look at 

  http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu/elisp.html

for some vhdl-modes for XEmacs.

Bye,
  Robert


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vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney) writes:

> In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> > once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
> > find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
> 
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

Well, Erik Naggum has warned you about getting sucked in by immoral
marketing strategies, too (and I think he's quite a bit from being
accurate, here).  So I just recommend that you read the XEmacs FAQ
checking for any amount of "advertising lies", hate and spitefulness,
which should be there in abundance, according to Erik.  You need not
believe anything in the FAQ, if you don't want to, but you should at
least be able to point out the bile Erik claims.  If you don't, think
again.  But perhaps this is a marketing ploy again: they don't want
you to think they are the bile and hateful crowd they really are...

In short, just like you should not believe the XEmacs developers (or
disbelieve) without checking up on them, you should do the same with
Erik.  Looking through the FAQ is not much work, and will tell you how
much you can rely on Erik's opinion here.

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In <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
>> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
>> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
>> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
>> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
>> >`C-q C-j'
>> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
>> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
>> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
>> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
>> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".

>So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
>you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
>definitely makes no "havoc".

No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation* of a newline.

(In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M)  What we want is the
equivalent in Emacs.

Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want ^J to
represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?  A real new line
in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp file.  It certainly does
cause havoc!  


Jon
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> XEmacs has chosen a path of competition.  Emacs still maintains a path of
> cooperation, but not the "democratic" style that some people want.

Pretty wrong.  Lucid was in the need of an Emacs with X functionality,
and the official Emacs had no date-line to come up with something like
that.  So they made their own variant and developed quite a bit of it
further.  Later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU, with quite different
inner workings and some similar functionality, some different.  The
Lucid line of work was not discontinued, however, since quite a bit of
work depended on it already.  Later this became XEmacs.

The XEmacs team have not decided a "path of competition", but have
just not let the work of Lucid Emacs go to the dumps.  If any has
chosen a "path of competition", it is the FSF with their completely
own interface to X instead of trying some compatibility to existing
copylefted code.  Much of the work of XEmacs maintainers goes into
imitating any new interfaces Emacs happens to introduce for features
XEmacs already has, so that XEmacs users may use packages written for
Emacs as well.  This accounts for some of the "bloat" of XEmacs.

Although some people would have the XEmacs maintainers drop dead
rather now than later in order not to be nagged about missing features
in Emacs, I don't think this the best path of choice.  After Emacs has
possibilities to embed graphics in buffers (indispensible for
integrated WEB browsing, and useful for, say, TeX WYSIWYG display of
formulas, X-Face inclusion in buffers and quite a few other things),
possibilities to use proprotional fonts with variable line widths,
possibilities to use colours on ttys, possibilities to have frames on
different devices (ttys *and* X displays) at once, and quite a few
other packages adapted (hyper-apropos is pretty hot, for example),
XEmacs still has a place, and if just to remind the Emacs people what
would be nice to have.  Once the basic display engine of Emacs has the
power of that of XEmacs (but hopefully better speed...) one might
think of fading XEmacs out by offering similar feature sets.

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Universitaetsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany

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I am just a user who started using Emacs 5 years ago and hooked on it. I
tried and switched to XEmacs 3 years ago.

I am not a programmer, nor a lisp philosopher, so I will simply attempt to
offer an answer to the original poster's question.

The reasons I use XEmacs whenever I can:
1. Easy to use, thanks to extensive menus, etc.  I almost never use the mouse,
   but it is comforting to know it is there when you are in a rare mode.  It
   also helps me to learn the rarely used commands.  This ease of use was
   essential for some of the new converts in my company. 
2. Looks better in X, feels more like an integrated X application.
3. Precompiled binaries. I used to have serious difficulties compiling
   XEmacs. Recently configure became much more robust, but why bother? I grab
   binaries for all 5 UNIX platforms and stick to a server location. The whole
   release upgrade takes under an hour.
4. Easier to customize

Pros for using Emacs
1. Fast and Small.  These are irrelevant to me.  I have enough space,
   especially considering XEmacs is very easy and economical to install in a
   fileserver. XEmacs is fast enough even on our slowest UNIX stations, and
   they are doubling in speed every six months.
2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support. I had to go back and put in Emacs
   compatibility in my .emacs and all my site customizations.  It was very time
   consuming, and I hated doing it. Just after XEmacs put in the tty support, I
   had purged all Emacs specific branches out of my lisp files.  If only XEmacs
   had NT support, world would have been perfect.  Nevertheles,, NTEmacs works
   very nicely on my NT, congrats to its developers.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: NT, W95, OS2, etc [was: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?]
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Levent N. Atasoy writes:
        [...]
 > Pros for using Emacs
        [...]
 > 2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support [...].  If only XEmacs had
 >    NT support, world would have been perfect.

according to NEWS file, the developers have different priorities,
i.e., package integration and MULE, so that i do not expect that NT
support is real soon now...

i wonder if there are third party blueprints or ongoing work to
support display models different from X (NT, but also OS2's PM, the
Mac, etc), could anyone knowing better report to this newsgroup?

w.r.t. porting, the FAQ reports:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at
   Microsoft expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to
   NT, but never went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

i don't know if the Microsoft interest went any further, anyone?

on a related note, i'd like to know how Pearl Software, that ported
lemacs 19.6 to Windows, is getting along --- porting XEmacs to a
different platform and selling support may be (or not) a good
investment for a small company

thank you for any further discussion on this topic
                                                                gb

ps: Q1.0.10 of the XEmacs FAQ doesn't seem to be into the Emacs
    bashing business of the rest of the FAQ :-)

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Subject: Re: Change background color of mini-buffer=?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?=

Laura,

The following code will change the background of just the
minibuffer:

(set-specifier (face-property 'default 'background)
               '((nil . "whitesmoke")) (minibuffer-window))

The difficulty will be getting this set for the minibuffer
in each new frame.  I've come up with this, which seems to
work:

(defun set-frame-minibuffer-specs (frame)
  "Set specifiers for the minibuffer of the given frame."
  (set-specifier (face-property 'default 'background)
    '((nil . "lightblue")) (minibuffer-window frame))
  )

(add-hook 'create-frame-hook 'set-frame-minibuffer-specs)

Hope this helps.

--
Donald Hunter.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

XEmacs does have major problems in the batch area. (This one of the
weak points Erik N. should be mentioning together with the
"irreproducible frame freezing" :-))

> >     Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
> >     Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand
> > This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 
> > 	End of stream: "internal input stream"
> 

Because problems with the first method the Gnus Makefile changed to
the second. I get the End of stream: "internal input stream" error
to. I did some checking:

midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(1)"
Invalid function: 1
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(1 2)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(+ 1 2)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "1"
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "nil"
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(bla)"
Symbol's function definition is void: bla
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(bla dloe)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.

To me it seems there is a parser problem in XEmacs when there is more
then one list element.

I am now using the "makeinfo" program to compile the TeXinfo files for
XEmacs

Jan

P.S. Steve I think assured me the XEmacs folk new of the problems
witch batch processing. I am CC'ing to make sure. 


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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

> Pick one or the other, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.  Or at
> least you won't be more unhappy than if you'd chosen the other one.

I think this is good advice.  Although I'm using the other GNU Emacs
now, a couple of years ago I used XEmacs all the time, and liked it:
the interface is pretty, and it's nice having everything set up
reasonably so it's easy to access lots of different packages (many
packages in the other GNU Emacs require installing and hand editing of
.emacs files).  The other GNU Emacs should certainly steal XEmacs's
"Options" menu.

>From the philosophy point of view, I can see arguments on both sides.
I really don't understand rms's objections to opaque data types.  I
can see objections in specific instances, but I think keymaps, for
example, make an obvious candidate for a data type.  On the other
hand, I think overlays and text properties make sense, and I agree
with rms's doubts about how extents work in a theoretical sense.  But
hey, if you're a user like me, so long as things work you'll not
notice how dubious things are underneath.
-- 
Bruce Stephens			| email: B.Stephens@math.ruu.nl
Utrecht University              | telephone: +31 30 2534630
Department of Mathematics       | telefax:   +31 30 2518394
P.O. Box 80010, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands

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From: Pieter Rijken <pieter@rulil0.LeidenUniv.nl>
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Hi there,

I have the following problem. Using AucTeX my LaTeX-files are:

thesis.tex     (master file)
main.tex       (included in 'thesis.tex')

Typing C-cC-c while editing the file 'main.tex' Xemacs executes
the command 'latex thesis.tex'.
Furthermore I use BibTeX. The problem is that I do not need to
execute the command 'bibtex thesis' but instead I want to execute
the command 'bibtex main'. How do I do this (except for the trivial
solution which is opening an xterm)?
How come C-cC-b and C-cC-r perform the same operations?

-- 
Pieter J. Rijken
Instituut Lorentz, University of Leiden
The Netherlands

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* David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
| Lucid was in the need of an Emacs with X functionality, and the official
| Emacs had no date-line to come up with something like that.  So they made
| their own variant and developed quite a bit of it further.  Later, Emacs
| 19 was concocted by GNU, with quite different inner workings and some
| similar functionality, some different.  The Lucid line of work was not
| discontinued, however, since quite a bit of work depended on it already.
| Later this became XEmacs.

this is the kind of marketing I have been talking about.  somehow, somebody
has managed to dupe David Kastrup into believing this line, and it is this
line that continues to hurt Emacs, and make fools who believe it exhibit
the "we're so superior" attitude.

"later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU".  in _fact_, FSF was already working
on Emacs 19 when Lucid came in and supported the work with a lot of money.
they withdrew the money and hired away the programmer from the FSF when the
pace was not to their liking.  the first is OK, the latter is not.  they
took over the decision process, and lots of people who were unable to work
with RMS (that's the kindest way I can put it) found a forum to vent their
frustration and spleen in the process.

| This accounts for some of the "bloat" of XEmacs.

geez.  talk about marketing lies.  "now look what you made us do!"

| Although some people would have the XEmacs maintainers drop dead rather
| now than later in order not to be nagged about missing features in Emacs,
| I don't think this the best path of choice.

you really have a knack for dirty campaigning.  did you work for Dole?

what _I_ would like to see is that XEmacs' maintainers would suggest common
Lisp functions that deal with the various data types and actually implement
data _abstraction_.  (Per Abrahamsen said it very well when he pointed out
that it is more "information hiding" than "data abstraction" in the XEmacs
code.)  real data abstraction would not be visible to the user in terms of
"we use abstract data types, and they don't".  data abstraction is about
_not_ forcing users to see the implementation.  in XEmacs, users are in
fact _forced_ to see the (different) implementation.  I can find nothing to
fully explain this other than ill will: the desire to break things on
purpose, or just to spite RMS for using a more open design.

| After Emacs has possibilities to embed graphics in buffers (indispensible
| for integrated WEB browsing, and useful for, say, TeX WYSIWYG display of
| formulas, X-Face inclusion in buffers and quite a few other things),
| possibilities to use proprotional fonts with variable line widths,
| possibilities to use colours on ttys, possibilities to have frames on
| different devices (ttys *and* X displays) at once, and quite a few other
| packages adapted (hyper-apropos is pretty hot, for example), XEmacs still
| has a place, and if just to remind the Emacs people what would be nice to
| have.

yeah, right.  XEmacs continues to draw away programmers from the Emacs
community who _could_ have implemented this in Emacs.  "we have XEmacs, so
why bother" is an oft-heard argument against working on X stuff in Emacs.
this is the most hurtful part.  had the XEmacs folks been a little less
spiteful and hateful, had they written their code with _abstraction_
instead of gratuitously changing the Emacs Lisp language, and had they
cooperated, we could have had two display engines for a single Emacs,
instead of two Emacsen with each their own display engine.

another very useful item in judging Emacs vs XEmacs is to look very
carefully at how they approach the Lisp code: in Emacs, it is a real
programming language, and the C is just support code for it, whereas in
XEmacs, you find people talking about the "API" all the time, and they are
right: in XEmacs, Lisp is just an API to a much more complex C layer.  I
spent a fair amount of time studying XEmacs Lisp, and I got the same icky
feeling I get from most of the many incredibly obsolescent solutions in
Unix: I had to "think implementation" to understand how something was
supposed to be used and what it did.  the most curious aspect to this is
that the XEmacs folks complain (bitterly!) about how much they had to work
at the implementation level in Emacs Lisp, such as the now tired story of
the keymaps.  the question I kept asking myself through my XEmacs excursion
was: why did they have to change the low-level implementation to gain what
they say they gained?  why do you, David, try to blame Emacs for the bloat
in XEmacs and say that so much effort goes into interface wrappers, when
that is solely the (historic) fault of the XEmacs designers?

I'm reminded of the situation between the two competing mobile phone
companies in Norway.  company A reduces its prices by "up to 25%" soon, but
not on calls to their competitor, company B.  company B will follow suit
and they also has far lower prices for calling company A to begin with.
now, I'm the inquisitive kind of guy, so I called around and got the _real_
reason: company A has to pay 80% of the price it charges its customers per
minute for calls into company B's mobile network, and is squeezed for
profits because they charge so much.  company B has to pay only 40% of the
price it charges its customers per minute for calls into company A's
network.  this is because company A is an arm of the Norwegian (land-line
monopoly) phone company and can't charge arbitrarily much from their
competitors.  their competitors can charge arbitrarily much from them, of
course.  and so it appears, to the people who want to be disgruntled and
don't want to understand, that company A _overcharges_ for calls to B,
while B is your regular nice guy.  the _fact_ is that this false appearance
is created _on_purpose_ by company B in their marketing campaigns to gain
market share.  so if it is hard to move code from XEmacs to Emacs, every
XEmacs user and every developer who complains about it is likely to blame
Emacs, not their own environment and the childish little bastards who laid
the ground for the incompatibility.

if you don't like the fact that there is a strong sense of incompatibility
between Emacs and XEmacs in their keybindings, ask the doofus who broke it.
if one instead wanted to maintain compatibility, find another way to talk
about key bindings.  I think using the functionality in `read-kbd-macro'
would be a good way, if we can agree on the external appearance, which is
that from `key-description', and I think we can.  _that_ would be _real_
abstraction.  the function should probably be called something else, such
as `read-key-sequence-from-string' and have a reader macro defined to call
it more conveniently, such as one would do in Common Lisp, like #K"C-M-;",
to mean the key printed as "C-M-;" by `single-key-description', whether it
would be represented as the list (control meta ?;) or the integer -67108805
(which is the value of ?\C-\M-;).  clearly, having to expose the user to
the implementation is wrong in _both_ cases if there is more than one way
to do it.  but _again_, why did the XEmacs folks have to change the
_implementation_ in order to improve it?  ill will, incompetence, or both!

| Once the basic display engine of Emacs has the power of that of XEmacs
| (but hopefully better speed...) one might think of fading XEmacs out by
| offering similar feature sets.

you're proving my point: XEmacs wants competition, not cooperation.  Emacs
has wanted to employ the experience and the code from XEmacs for years, but
why can't we do that?  because the XEmacs folks chose a way to do their
work that made it much, much harder than it should have been, and they did
it _on_purpose_.  progress on the unified display engine is _very_ slow.  I
don't know precisely why, but what I do know is that the reason Emacs
doesn't have a better X interface is that the XEmacs people hasn't _wanted_
it to.  if they do now, it does not show in action.

incidentally, I don't want proportional fonts, I don't want colors, I don't
want inline graphics, I still prefer the 1200 dpi quality of printed text
(and high-end laser printers) and _real_ pictures, I think low resolution
is the worst aspect of computers, and colors don't help.  I want the screen
to repaint itself _instantly_, I think the "slow motion" of most Motif and
Windows applications and constant repainting (as in Netscape 2.02) is
evidence of bad programmers suffering from technology fixation.  if I can't
get at _least_ as good quality as I got without computers, they would have
to offer a _lot_ more than I had, and usually they don't.  XEmacs also
follows the "modern" trend where appearance rules over contents.  this is
an additional pet peeve of mine, and it doesn't help XEmacs' cause, but it
would have been irrelevant if they could point to _real_ improvements in
areas that matter to me.  they can't.  Emacs is in fact superior to XEmacs
in areas that matter to me.  but I recognize (and so should the XEmacs
folks) that this is due to my personal preferences.  just like my ideas
about what free software should be like define my attitudes to a lot of
what goes on in our industry, but may not be shared by others, I want to
XEmacs folks to stop portraying their personal preferences as inherently or
intrinsically better than any others'.  there is already enough of the
bullshit in the marketing from Microsoft and others about how the "normal"
users are those who prefer their _sick_ version of "user friendly", while
this is _wrong_ for at least 40% of the population, quite possibly more.
e.g., the "mouse" as in input device is creating new health problems that
may well have offset any perceived gains already in terms of total costs,
not to mention the personal disasters for those who get ill from it.  I
have been a computer user since about 1978, I have _no_ problems with any
of the things that others are attributing to their working environment
after only a few years.  could it be because I have resisted ways of
working that "modern" designers are hailing as "improvements" when they are
in fact no improvement at all, except to their sales figures.  the short
range by which we judge things today is going to hurt all of us later.
people behave as if they don't even expect to become 40 years old, with
loss of eyesight, etc.  well, enjoy your youth.  I plan on enjoying my
_life_.  I find the constant rush to do things that are harmful in the long
term, but probably "sexy" or "cool" in the short term, to be significantly
bothersome.  more importantly, short-term euphoria is not "superior" to
long-term quality, except to people who have no desire for quality.  call
it "conservative" if you like.  I call it factoring out the psychological
requirements for stability into areas where they cost very little, so I can
handle more changes elsewhere, such as in spending my braintime on hard
(programming) problems instead of tweaking display features.

sorry for the length, but at least it should be more constructive, now.

BTW, I noticed that Jamie Zawinski saw it fit to have a little fun.  that's
good for him, but I'd rather spend my time writing the above paragraphs
than run a "complaint" script off the web.

#\Erik
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Please address private replies to "erik".  Mail to "nobody" is discarded.

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I'm going to be getting a PC at home soon (full monty job hopefully) and
would like to make some additions to XEmacs. Specifically I'd like to
change the file selection window, how do I go about this ?

Steve Jones

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
[.. snip repeat of old arguments ..]
> 
> incidentally, I don't want proportional fonts, I don't want colors, I don't
> want inline graphics, I still prefer the 1200 dpi quality of printed text
> (and high-end laser printers) and _real_ pictures, I think low resolution
> is the worst aspect of computers, and colors don't help.  I want the screen
> to repaint itself _instantly_, I think the "slow motion" of most Motif and
> Windows applications and constant repainting (as in Netscape 2.02) is
> evidence of bad programmers suffering from technology fixation. 

Now I have to take issue, colours don't help ? Try presenting anything
other than simple text in B/W and see the issues.  Why do I use colours
in Emacs and XEmacs ? Because these can quickly highlight the code and
give it a quicker perception than without colour.  There is of course a
limit at which point colours become useless (ie don't have more than 4
or 5 colours when using text), but colour can add alot to a document.
If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision ? Why are
traffic lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these
colours ?



> if I can't
> get at _least_ as good quality as I got without computers, they would have
> to offer a _lot_ more than I had, and usually they don't.  XEmacs also
> follows the "modern" trend where appearance rules over contents.  this is
> an additional pet peeve of mine, and it doesn't help XEmacs' cause, but it
> would have been irrelevant if they could point to _real_ improvements in
> areas that matter to me.  they can't.

Appearance v. Content ? For most modern systems the appearance is the
content, working on ATC systems yuo can have the worlds greatest
Conflict algorithm but if the presentation is poor it means nothing.
The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
productivity.  Sorry to bring in the MS world but what makes Word for
Windows easier to use than Word for Dos ? The answer is interaction.


>  Emacs is in fact superior to XEmacs
> in areas that matter to me.  but I recognize (and so should the XEmacs
> folks) that this is due to my personal preferences.  just like my ideas
> about what free software should be like define my attitudes to a lot of
> what goes on in our industry, but may not be shared by others, I want to
> XEmacs folks to stop portraying their personal preferences as inherently or
> intrinsically better than any others'.  there is already enough of the
> bullshit in the marketing from Microsoft and others about how the "normal"
> users are those who prefer their _sick_ version of "user friendly", while
> this is _wrong_ for at least 40% of the population, quite possibly more.
> e.g., the "mouse" as in input device is creating new health problems that
> may well have offset any perceived gains already in terms of total costs,
> not to mention the personal disasters for those who get ill from it.  I
> have been a computer user since about 1978, I have _no_ problems with any
> of the things that others are attributing to their working environment
> after only a few years.  could it be because I have resisted ways of
> working that "modern" designers are hailing as "improvements" when they are
> in fact no improvement at all, except to their sales figures.  the short
> range by which we judge things today is going to hurt all of us later.
> people behave as if they don't even expect to become 40 years old, with
> loss of eyesight, etc.  well, enjoy your youth.  I plan on enjoying my
> _life_.  I find the constant rush to do things that are harmful in the long
> term, but probably "sexy" or "cool" in the short term, to be significantly
> bothersome.  more importantly, short-term euphoria is not "superior" to
> long-term quality, except to people who have no desire for quality.  call
> it "conservative" if you like.  I call it factoring out the psychological
> requirements for stability into areas where they cost very little, so I can
> handle more changes elsewhere, such as in spending my braintime on hard
> (programming) problems instead of tweaking display features.
> 

The Mouse is an excellent tool, but looking at some of the modern touch
screens I think that they may soon be taking over (well in the next few
years).  Also there is evidence that the keyboard has more effect on
health than the mouse (as long as it is a well designed mouse).  The
natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
that allows the user to do this.

As someone who specialises in GUIs I would say that the problems
encountered more than match those of the internal working of computers.
Interface meet a thing called a "human" these input devices are badly
designed and constantly fail to obey protocol, if they were made by a
company they'd never be bought.  I feel the objective of modern
computing should be to make the computer a tool that is accesible to
all.  GUIs do cause problems for speed, they are resource hungry, and
indeed there is a body of evidence that says that it does not always
speed a process up, it does however improve quality.

A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
what is an editor. Just as a programmer is not required to know about
General and Special Relativity to programme that computer.  XEmacs does
have teething problems, but then it is attempting to do something new,
and being amoung the first is always harder, but if it creates a simpler
editor with more features this is for the better. 

The Interface should be the most important thing for and Editor, this is
where people interact with the system.  If a tool is hard to use then it
is a poor tool, no matter how good the functionality is behind it.

Emacs and XEmacs are both excellent tools, and both have over the past
few years improved their interfaces to the user.  Long may this
continue.


Steve Jones

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> "later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU".  in _fact_, FSF was already working
> on Emacs 19 when Lucid came in and supported the work with a lot of money.
> they withdrew the money and hired away the programmer from the FSF when the
> pace was not to their liking.  the first is OK, the latter is not.  they
> took over the decision process, and lots of people who were unable to work
> with RMS (that's the kindest way I can put it) found a forum to vent their
> frustration and spleen in the process.

So presumably that was how the animosities came about.  If that was
how the things went...

Sort of, say, somebody supporting Joyce's initial work on "Ulysses" with
quite a bit of money, and giving him a coworker supposed to help crank
out a snazzy story pretty soon.  The great plan and the quick goals
are not compatible, a splitup occurs, and pretty fast a "snazzy story"
gets cranked out playing in Dublin.  It has quite a nice effect on the
masses who'd not be able to appreciate the long-term plan, anyway, and
get what they were waiting for (although a bit unshapely) before.
But it is an error to assume that this would have stolen much of an
audience for "Ulysses"... For most people the choice would have been
reading the snazzy thing, or nothing.

Now one point is that Lucid has closed the shop, and the commercialism
has quite gone out of XEmacs anyhow (although possibly not the rapid
development).  Both still serve different people.  In the XEmacs
developers' camp by now care has been taken to remove most traces of
the once more valid animosities between the programmers, from docs,
FAQ and mostly from the code.  Some users, however, try to fight on
for a war most of their leaders have abandoned.

Talk about a merger being obstructed by one of the parties is pretty
pointless, in my opinion: the methods of development are quite a bit
too different to make cooperation without quite a lot control and
discipline on both sides seem fun.  And creating free software is like
writing books: it has to be fun for the writer, and suit his style.

Using RMS' careful style, it would take several years to get those
things people like about XEmacs integrated properly as he likes it
into Emacs, and this is probably not even a bad thing, because one can
still rely on Emacs being fast and reliable for everyday's use.

There have been signs in the last time of developers at least trying
to coordinate how functionality is accessed in both Emacsens, and this
I find encouraging.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

  Kevin> Greetings.

  Kevin> I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
  Kevin> version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
  Kevin> readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
  Kevin> [...]

Please upgrade to the latest version (7.93) and if your problems remain please
send a message to the bug report mailing list bug-tm-en@chamonix.jaist.ac.jp
as descriptive as possible.

Cheers,

Oscar

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I just installed xemacs 19.14 and there are some changes that I don't
really like and can't seem to find the right var to change in order to
change the behavior (is there one?).

It has to do with switching buffers.  If I resize a buffer window and
then do a C-4-b the window jumps back to half-and-half.  Pressing
button-2 on the buffer name does not have this effect.

Also if I do a C-4-f to load a file in the other window the input focus
jumps to that window.  Same w/ C-4-b.  I didn't think this happened in
previous versions.

If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Phil

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Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

> 
> 
> scoubidou!delarue@mail.uu.net (Christophe Delarue) writes:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient
> > 
> > -- 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Christophe DELARUE			
> > 
> 
> Ummm, what he said, except use gnuclient instead. 
> (...et lance gnuclient) :)

Uhm, no... you're mistaken.  M-x gnuserv to start the server process
from within XEmacs.  Then use gnuattach or gnuclient from your shell
prompt.

'man gnuclient' might be a good idea at this point.

-- Gary F.


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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> >>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:
> 
> [...pre-generated complaint letter...]
> 
> > (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)
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  No, but slightly amusing.  Thanks jamie! :)

-Bill P.

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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.961106144431.736H-100000-100000@wrksta3> <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> <55s5u7$cpv@lambda.fwi.uva.nl> <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> <55urts$f86@lambda.fwi.uva.nl>,
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> 
> In <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> >> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> >> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
> >> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
> >> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> >> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
> >> >`C-q C-j'
> >> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
> >> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
> >> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
> >> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
> >> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".
> >So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
> >you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
> >definitely makes no "havoc".
> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation* of a newline.
> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M)  What we want is the
> equivalent in Emacs.
> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want ^J to
> represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?  A real new line
> in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp file.  It certainly does
> cause havoc!  

Why don't you try C-q Enter - this gives me a ^M

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Levent N. Atasoy writes:

Levent> 2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support [...].  If only XEmacs had
Levent> NT support, world would have been perfect.

giacomo> according to NEWS file, the developers have different
giacomo> priorities, i.e., package integration and MULE, so that i do
giacomo> not expect that NT support is real soon now...

giacomo> i wonder if there are third party blueprints or ongoing work
giacomo> to support display models different from X (NT, but also
giacomo> OS2's PM, the Mac, etc), could anyone knowing better report
giacomo> to this newsgroup?

Speaking only for myself, the only system software worth running on
ix86 or DEC Alpha is Linux.  That being said, if someone were to do
the work of porting XEmacs to a Microsoft system, the patches would be
accepted and welcomed.

XEmacs 19.13 has been ported to the Macintosh in the Mach environment,
but the patches were never made available to the developers to add to
the baseline.

 ...
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Greetings.

Kevin> I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
Kevin> version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
Kevin> readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
Kevin> I used to use it with GNU emacs without problems.

Kevin> Reading mime messages with rmail doesn't work.  Using
Kevin> 'v' will take you into the message but things aren't
Kevin> extracted. 

Kevin> Gnus sometimes will work correctly, but often crashes.

Kevin> I know this isn't a very descriptive message, but I'm more
Kevin> interested in seeing if people are actually using tm with
Kevin> Xemacs.

Yes, and the number who do is growing :-).  Tm will be bundled
with XEmacs 19.15.

Kevin> If you are using it, did you have to do anything special
Kevin> to get it to work?  Any compile or make concerns that I
Kevin> should be aware of?

tm7.68 is pretty old, why don't you try a newer version like 7.93?

Installation procedures haven't remained constant, and I don't
remember what special things I had to do with 7.68.  With the current
version I modify the declarations of PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX in TM-CFG
to point to /usr/local.

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Vijay Ramachandran <vijay@aic.lockheed.com>
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Subject: Help: pointer foreground/background
Date: 08 Nov 1996 10:12:46 -0800
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Hello.
I'm having trouble setting different pointer foreground and/or
background colors for xemacs-19.14 on Solaris 2.4.

I want to do something like this:
set the face foreground of nontext-pointer-glyph to "green",
and the color of other pointer-glyphs to something else, say "blue".

I first thought that I could retrieve the face of the necessary
pointer glyph variable, and set its foreground color, like so:
(set-face-foreground (glyph-face nontext-pointer-glyph) "green")

However, since all the pointer glyphs share the same face, this
changes the foreground color of all pointers.

So, I thought that I would do something like this in my .emacs:

(make-face 'my-sbar-pointer-face "Scrollbar pointer face")
(set-face-foreground 'my-sbar-pointer-face "green")
(set-glyph-face scrollbar-pointer-glyph 'my-sbar-pointer-face)

However, this does not seem to work, i.e., the foreground color of the
specified glyph does not change.

Can someone tell me how to achieve this?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Vijay

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>>>>> "J" == Jon Mountjoy <jon@fwi.uva.nl> writes:

    J> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation*
    J> of a newline.

    J> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M) What we
    J> want is the equivalent in Emacs.

    J> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want
    J> ^J to represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?
    J> A real new line in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp
    J> file.  It certainly does cause havoc!

^M is not a new line, it's a carriage return. In vi if I ^V^J, I get a
newline thank god. In emacs if I C-qC-j I get the same. Similarly, if
I ^V^M in vi, or C-qC-m in emacs, I get a carriage return imbedded in
my file. A ^M is not a newline, thought it acts like one on the
macintosh.  Since you can include a newline in a regexp this works out
just dandy, to enter C-qC-j. If you are entering the regexp in a file
you can also just press enter, while in the mini-buffer you would want
to quote the newline (C-qC-j), so that it's not interpreted as end of
input.


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Parts of what follows below were actually painful to write. However, because
of the ongoing misinformation campaigns launched by Jamie Zawinski and his
accomplices, I feel it is my duty to write this. First off, Jamie once told
his secret police, "Hey, let's all go out and force us to adopt rigid social
roles that compromise our inner code of ethics!" (or words to that effect). If
you think about it, a deep, ineradicable hatred of everything that is not
lethargic energizes him to cause one-sided demands to be entered into
historical fact. As a matter of fact, he must think that the world has no
memory. "What's that?", I hear you ask. "Is it true that I got off on a
tangent?" Why, yes, it is. Others have stated it much more eloquently than I,
but I, for one, am troubled by Jamie's constant exaggerations and
half-truths. Jamie is incapable of handling an adult emotion or a universal
concept without first reducing it to something delirious, crotchety,
bloodthirsty, and probably parasitic. He sees life as a complacent game
without any rules. That proves that his dirty supporters force me to undergo
"treatment" to cure my "problem" for no better reason than to be above someone
on the social ladder. Assume for a moment that he flaunts his personal
objectives and attitudes in front of everyone else. It therefore follows that
the surest way for his followers to succeed is for them to fuel
inquisitions. It should come as no big shock to anyone that we now know for
certain that his henchmen intend to drag men out of their beds in the dead of
night and castrate them.

Will Jamie's narrow-minded stubborn adherents delude and often rob those
rendered vulnerable and susceptible to Jamie's snares because of poverty,
illness, or ignorance? Only time will tell. Jamie has a driving need to enact
new laws forcing anyone who's not one of Jamie's minions to live in an
environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously
tolerant. Doesn't he realize that you shouldn't take threats made by reckless
Jamie Zawinski clones too seriously? Loathsome morally-questionable lowbrows
like him tend to conveniently ignore the key issues of this or any other
situation. He and his allies are social pariahs and should be
ostracized. Okay, that's a bit of an overstatement, but for all of you reading
this who are not belligerent hucksters, you can understand where the
motivation for that statement comes from.

I can assure you that his sycophants operate secretly so as not to excite
suspicion. There are some simple truths in this world. First, there are many
illustrations of this. Second, Jamie's mercenaries allege, after performing
shoddy research and utilizing threadbare scholarship, that a number of their
enemies are planning to demonstrate an outright hostility to law
enforcement. And finally, Jamie's helpers are swinging pretty hard on some
slender evidence. Jamie should stop bellyaching and start healing
himself. Sure, some of his tirades are valid, but that's not the point. If I
recall correctly, he spews nothing but lame retorts and innuendoes. I alluded
to this earlier, but his desire to shatter and ultimately destroy our most
precious possessions is incontrovertible evidence that he harbors some
sinister grudges. In any case, Jamie keeps coming up with new ways to make our
country spiritually blind. Faddism appears to have triumphed. All in all, no
clear-thinking individual would have the temerity to acquire power and use it
to indoctrinate the worst sorts of materialistic misers I've ever seen.

His disgusting fantasy fits neatly into his crude model of society. Here's
some food for thought: Jamie's criticisms are vile to the core. I once had a
nightmare in which Jamie was free to develop mind-control technology. And
that's where we are right now. It is my fundamental belief that he should
practice what he preaches.

It is easy for the public at large to dismiss presumptuous unpatriotic
schizophrenics as depraved morons. Which brings me to my point. It should be
intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer that Jamie thinks he can
impress us by talking about "microclimatological this" and
"eulamellibranchiate that". Jamie, as usual, you prove yourself to be
lawless. Untrustworthy barbarism and Jamie's slurs are one and the same. Let
me back up a little: I'd advise him to stop being so condescending.

It is quite true, of course, that his notions are based on prejudices and
preconceived notions. But his fabulous success is not firmly connected with
meritorious ability. Any day now, Jamie might be diagnosed with a special type
of mental illness that is not yet recognized. But for now, be aware that naive
imbeciles thrive on hatred rather than love. His declamations can be rightly
understood only as what some self-serving extremists have been brave enough to
call them: a failure. His little schemes are bound to fail. And if that seems
like a modest claim, I disagree. It's the most radical claim of
all. Throughout human history, yawping clods have always been ignominious. So
it should come as no surprise that his politics have no redeeming value. When
I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and
say "The reasons that Jamie gives for his allegations clearly do not
correspond with his real motives."

I was thinking about how his flunkies have cooperated closely with stolid
contumelious utopians on several projects. And then it hit me. I am not making
a generalization when I say that his assistants have the temerity to defend
incendiarism, stoicism, and notions of racial superiority and then say that
everyone else should do the same. He thinks we want him to seize control of
the power structure. Excuse me, but maybe there is little doubt that he often
starts with a preconceived story and then plugs in supposed "information" in
order to create a somewhat believable tale. On balance, Jamie's idea of a good
time is to torture selfish curmudgeons. Still, I claim that Jamie is full of
it. Because I am starting a grassroots campaign with the sole purpose of
stopping Jamie, because even his horoscope says he's mad, and because there
will be chauvinistic things said on both sides of this issue within a short
period of time, we can conclude that radical ornery deadheads have exerted
care always to use high-sounding words like "internationalization" to hide
Jamie's plans to panic irrationally and overreact completely. Jingoism has its
stronghold among foolish maniacs. If he succeeds in his attempt to unleash an
unparalleled wave of colonialism, it'll have to be over my dead body.

I'm not saying anything you don't already know about. This screams of the old
belief that what I call dishonest scientists are merely unstable porn stars,
but that's really beside the point. For the time being, this is not a major
issue. But there I go again, claiming that Jamie has a penchant for
counterinsurgency and clandestine operations.

While there is inevitable overlap at the edges of political movements, I
myself undoubtedly find that pathological hippies are no different from
delusional astrologers. In the end, the most telling thing is that it must be
pointed out that I have no idea why Jamie Zawinski wannabees have sprouted
across the country like mushrooms after a downpour. I don't mean to imply that
before bothering us with his next batch of blasphemous ignorant theories, he
should review the rules of writing a persuasive essay, most notably the one
about sticking to the topic the writer establishes, but it's true,
nonetheless. Before explaining why smarmy sick purveyors of malice and hatred
cause insurmountable trouble for us, I must first respond to his prank phone
calls. Thanks to him, shiftless political movements are experiencing a
resurgence around the world, as if it made any difference. In effect,
hostility is a primary component of Jamie's behavior. Jamie will damage the
debate about this issue, because we will have to spend lots of time correcting
misunderstandings that are directly attributable to his ethics.

I used a phrase a few moments ago. I referred to his slaves as "disrespectful
unrealistic disk jockeys." You ought to memorize that phrase, because,
frankly, I cannot, in good conscience, step aside and let nasty cowards tour
the country promoting scurrilous extremism in lectures and radio talk show
interviews. Yes, Virginia, his few positive contributions will continue to be
overshadowed by his broader message of hate. Did it ever occur to him that the
sun has never shone on a more self-righteous and bestial person than Jamie
Zawinski? I insist that his opinion is a lazy cop-out. People have pointed out
to me that I will let his record speak for itself, but I still can't help but
think that society has pampered him too long. Given his propensity for
repression in the service of paradigmatic integrity, it is little wonder that
as commonly encountered, insincere creeps lack any of the qualities that mark
the civilized person, like courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, and
confidence. Some readers may doubt that Jamie is wretched enough to withhold
information and disseminate half truths and whole lies. So let me provide some
evidence. But before I do, let me just say that Jamie tries to assert his
autonomy by attempting to pit race against race, religion against religion,
and country against country. It may seem senseless to say that this is
explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material I
plan to present. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. The conflation of
insolent spoilsports and slovenly derelicts in his litanies is either dramatic
hyperbole or a fatal methodological flaw. As a parting thought, remember that
Jamie Zawinski's positions are some of the most postmodernist, crass, and
wicked I've ever encountered.


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From: Brian Masinick <masinick@themas.zk3.dec.com>
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Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:

 
> I am an emacs user. But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> the xemacs www site. It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is superior
> to emacs.

   Xemacs is much more graphically oriented, and has nice integration
of a number of applications, including News (I'm writing this using
the Xemacs version of GNUS), Web browsing, Mail, and many others.  The
interface has a number of icon buttons that can be clicked to call up
these applications, which makes it nice and easy to use many things.

> Can I take them straight?  You have to consider what is important to
you, then make up your mind which interface to use, and for what purposes.

> Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

   No, it is just different.  Both are extensible, but they have
diverged somewhat due to philisophical differences in what the base
interface should provide.

> If so, why emacs is still around.  Why doesn't every one switch to
> xemacs?

   For me, there are a couple of reasons to still use Emacs.  One, my
employer ships a moderately recent release of GNU Emacs with the base
OS, and makes the most recent updates available on a public server.
Secondly, I find that GNU Emacs in base form is more compact than
Xemacs and runs faster.  Third, GNU Emacs is not quite as complex, and
it has been around longer, so there is more stuff available (at least
to me) that I need and can use, so it is my primary work environment.
Fourth, Xemacs can not always keep up with my typing, even though I
type at best just over 30 words per minute.  In this reply, for
instance, it dropped spaces several times, which I had to go back to
insert.

 
> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> Otherwise, emacs would have perished.
 
   Speed, availability, number of users, and number of supported
platforms.  Xemacs is quite tied to the X Window System, although the
base functionality is nothing more than GNU Emacs.  I've not seen it
used anywhere except UNIX systems, although it could be conceivably
ported elsewhere.  But I know for a fact that GNU Emacs is being used
on UNIX, OpenVMS, Windows NT, and Windows 95, and people port it, or
at least part of it to many other platforms as well.

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
> xemacs.

   Both GNU Emacs and Xemacs are based on GNU Emacs source code.  I
use Xemacs whenever I want a highly graphical user interface, multiple
active frames, and several applications running.  GNU Emacs can do
these things, too, but the Xemacs package ships with them turned on.
I use GNU Emacs for most of my code development, and general text
editing.  I also use vi, ed, ex, edit, vim, jed, jove, nedit, xedit,
pico, sedt, TPU/EVE, edt, CDE's dtpad (notepad), Microsoft Word,
Microsoft Write, and Microsoft Notepad on occasions, so I know how to
use many different editors and word processors.  GNU Emacs is my
favorite of them all, but I like all of the Emacs variants because of
their extensibility.  I use the others for speed, convenience, or just
to keep my fingers familiar with other tools in case I run into a
situation where I need them.

   Brian   Fri Nov  8 13:48:55 1996

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darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) writes:


> I prefer XEmacs though; even though I don't make use of most of the
> X11 support.  But I'd prefer a single GNU/Xemacs/MULE.

   I'd second that motion, although I would want to keep the base
functionality as close to GNU Emacs as possible for speed and
efficiency, but make the interfaces with Xemacs and MULE as common and
extensible as possible, so that I could use a fast implementation by
default, but add font, graphics, and I18N support easily without
having to write or rewrite it every time I want to do something new.
Cooperation and compromise would go a long way here.  Criticism and
slander do little to help.  I think each of the approaches has some
merit, and it would be nice to have a common programming interface and
let the user and programmer decide how much of it they want to
activate.  I use GNU Emacs as my editing and development editor, and
Xemacs as my applications platform.  I haven't used MULE a lot yet,
even though I do a lot of I18N work.  The more I work with Asian code
sets, the more likely I am to use MULE in the future, however, unless
we can merge this stuff together in a cordial manner.

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Subject: FSF Emacs on Win95 (was: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?)
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu (XEmacs List)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:05:13 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: <svkd8xoqv6p.fsf@themas.zk3.dec.com> from "Brian Masinick" at Nov 8, 96 01:49:02 pm
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> But I know for a fact that GNU Emacs is being used on UNIX, OpenVMS,
> Windows NT, and Windows 95, and people port it, or at least part of it to
> many other platforms as well.

So FSF Emacs is available for Win95, eh?  Mmmmm.  Maybe it's time for me to
have a go at using it then.  Though I'll still use XEmacs at work (on AIX),
I'd like to have a quality emacs at home too (when I'm not running Linux).

I have a question then, for people that use both often: am I going to drive
myself crazy trying to port my 1100-line .emacs file to FSF Emacs?  And
will it be a dreadful task trying to get it configured so it behaved pretty
much in the manner I'm accustomed (i.e. XEmacs)?  I don't *need* buttonbars
and all that, I'm more concerned about keystrokes, behavior differences,
and elisp incompatibilities.  In short, I want to make sure I won't have
to learn a completely different tool to do this, since that's not my
goal.  Really, my goal is to have XEmacs on Win95, but since I can't do
that I'll make my goal "having *some* real emacs on win95".




--
 scott evans
 http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
 gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work

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Subject: Useful feature
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Not very long ago there was a really useful stress relieving feature in
Xemacs where if you frantically clicked somewhere in the minibuffer
area you would get the friendly message 'BLAT FOOP'. I'm not sure if
this feature was removed between versions 19.13 and 19.14 or just
expired at a certain date. Anyhow I do miss it, and was wondering if
anybody could shed some light on it.

	Jon
	http://www.compulink.co.uk/~wychwood/

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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* Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
| Now I have to take issue, colours don't help?

not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to stuff that
needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

| If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision?  Why are traffic
| lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these colours?

if you wish to universalize your argument, you need more than that.  a
simple counterargument: I have over 1800 books, of which 50 or so have
color illustrations.  am I unable to learn from the rest, or enjoy them?
how come I find the imagery in good books better than the imagery in
movies?  clearly, some people are more verbal than visual.  you, like most
of the people who are unable to deal with natural variation in human
preferences, want to stuff colors down my throat, and I have to pay for it
in reduced resolution, more expensive displays, not to mention _larger_
displays to handle 19" or 21" screen real estate.  have you asked me?  no,
you _argue_ against _my_ preferences.  your arrogance is unbelievable!

| For most modern systems the appearance is the content, ...

exactly!  is this a good thing?  no.  this caters to a class of people who
obviously are unable or unwilling to handle words.  with all the lack of
contents in published material these days, _all_ they have to speak for
them is appearance.  this has been a recognized problem on the Internet
(WWW) for at least two years, now.  do you wish to tell me that I _must_
prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
"dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

| The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
| has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
| the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
| productivity.

"better productivity"?  (whose marketing department are you paid by?)
that's nothing short of a load of bullshit.  better productivity depends on
the task and on the person.  you ignore the _invidual_ completely, to be
replaced by your obnoxious categorization of what is best for humans as
such.  humans don't exist as such, they exist as individuals.  like any
good dictator, however, some people would like to take away the working
environments that make "deviants" more productive, in order to make the
vast masses more productive.

| The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
| that allows the user to do this.

do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

| A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
| know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
| what is an editor.

your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
computing away from those who could have benefited from it decades ago,
because what you are _really_ saying is that "you poor idiots, computers
are still too hard to understand for your puny little brains to be useful
to you".  the _belief_ that computers are any more complex than, say, cars
and driving in heavy city traffic is so incredibly condescending to those
users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
"we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
users.  I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate moron.
that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you
won't see me agree to your "natural urge" bullshit any time sooner than you
stop universalizing that bullshit to include me and millions of other
people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.

this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one
person (namely, I) think and have preferences, not a universalizable
argument about what Emacs users prefer over what XEmacs users prefer.
however, I'm still inclined to believe that XEmacs users (not the least
after reviewing the comments I have received), are less verbal and more
visual than Emacs users, are less interested in studying manuals and
learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by
this, for God knows what reason.  observation it is, and it has been
confirmed by this debate, and in no way disputed.

a word says more than a thousand images.

exercises for the visually inclined: illustrate "appreciation", "humor",
"software", "education", "inalienable rights", "elegance", "fact".

#\Erik
-- 
Please address private replies to "erik".  Mail to "nobody" is discarded.

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over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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This should really be in the FAQ.  It gets posted twice a week!  You
have to go to <OPTIONS><MENUBAR APPEARANCE> and unselect
<FRAME-LOCAL FONT MENU>.  If this option is selected, font changes are
only applied to the *current* frame and do *not* get saved when you
save options.

John Mann

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Naggum sez:

>a word says more than a thousand images.

Indeed. This contradiction of a what most people take as a truism nicely 
sums up your philosophical position. All kinds of things follow from this. 
DOS is better than Windows, emacs is better than Xemacs, ... Fine. I can
except that you have this point of view and won't endeavour to change
it. But keep in mind that most people _have_ gone over to using
GUIs. Therefore, your position that GUI designers are foisting this on a
public that doesn't need it (if only everyone would learn how to
communicate with their computers in text) is the arrogant and intolerant
position. Not the other way around.

Just a casual observation: Those people using the strongest language are
the intolerant ones. Check back on this thread and see which side is using
the strongest language.
-- 
rick  

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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> > | I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.
> > the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.
> Reminds me of the MS help file entry if the install process
> found an OS/2 partition:
> How to remove an OS/2 partition and upgrade it to MSDOS 6.2.

Yeah, I always thought that was hilarious.

OTOH, I moved from XEmacs 19.11 to GNU Emacs 19.34 and that was *definitely*
an upgrade.  My major motivations were performance, availability of an OS/2
PM version in addition to X Windows, ability to use a terminal, and the
sponsorship of the FSF.

It seems that XEmacs now supports terminals.  In what version did that
appear?  That probably would have made a difference in my decision to
upgrade, but it feels so nice to work with FSF code again that I doubt I'll
ever go back to flirting with XEmacs.

-- Mark Hood

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Buffer operations
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Welch <welch@bear.com> writes:

> Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

Graham> C-x b brings up the next item in the buffer list in the
Graham> minibuffer - you can then use up and down arrows to scroll
Graham> through the available buffers.

This isn't quite correct.

Bill> When I try this in 19.14, I get
Bill> "no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"

Bill> buffer-history is nil.

This is actually what you should expect under many conditions.

Bill> It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?

The buffer-history variable is filled with buffer names that are
switched to in the minibuffer with C-x b (or any other interactive
command that ends up calling the lisp function `read-buffer').  Each
time you type in a new buffer name, it will be added to the history.
Thus, there isn't anything special you need to do to turn it on other
than use it.

I hope this explanation makes things clearer.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: lpr.el and UNISON "prt" command
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

Steve> I'm posting this here 
Steve> 	A) Because I had a hell of a time figuring this out and wanted
Steve> 	   to save somebody else the aggravation.
Steve> 	B) As a sanity/code check. 
Steve> 	C) Has this been done already?

Yes, and in a more general fashion.  Your code cannot be added to
Emacs due to the hard coding of the switches.

Steve> (If it has been done before, please point me there!)

First, try browsing
	http://www.dejanews.com/
and feeding it the search string ``lpr-switches xemacs'', or
``printing xemacs''.

The following bit of code will give you the interface that will be
used in XEmacs 19.15.

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))

With this in place you can say something like:

(setq lpr-switches '(static-printer-options dynamic-printer-options "-Plw"))
(setq static-printer-options '("-p" "-1"))
(defun dynamic-printer-options ()
  ;; code to be executed just prior to printing
  ;; Should return a string, or list of strings
)
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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>>>>> "Georges" == Georges KO <m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw> writes:

>>>>> "Sean" == skelley@primenet.com (Sean V. Kelley) writes:

Sean> Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text in XEmacs?  And why doesn't
Sean> it work the same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have to enter is M-x
Sean> iso-accents-mode and that's it!

Georges> 	You can use x-compose.el to use Right-Alt (on my PC keyboard,
Georges> which is, I guess, interpreted as Compose) to input such characters:
Georges> `' is input with `Compose-` e'.

XEmacs 19.15 will have iso-accents-mode.
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>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

David> I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one
David> direction (I think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

Actually XEmacs to GNU Emacs, but that will change with XEmacs 20.0
and the presence of MULE internationalization.  It's best to keep the
byte-code separate.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: saving coloring options
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>>>>> "JOSH" == JOSH C VAN TONDER <vant0009@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:

JOSH> Every time I choose the save options choice from the options
JOSH> menu it opens up my .emacs and writes to it.  However every time
JOSH> I start xemacs my saved options ,well, aren't saved.  It is
JOSH> getting kind of lame having to turn them on every time I want to
JOSH> write code.  ANy suggestions?

Do you see code in your .emacs that looks like:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
             (= emacs-major-version 19)
             (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file ".xemacs-options")))
;; ============================

Is the .xemacs-options file being created?
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>>>>> "wmodt18" == wmodt18  <wmodt18@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:

wmodt18> Hi there,

wmodt18> I am fairly new to linux (suse distribution) and I would like
wmodt18> my xemacs to be configured as a tex environement. So far it
wmodt18> seems to be mainly for compiling C code. I have already tried
wmodt18> to interprete the HOWTO files, corresponding to the tex.el
wmodt18> files, but could not figure out how to get it to work. The
wmodt18> .emacs and the start-site dir seems to be left alone?

wmodt18> What do I have to do?

For serious TeX use you're probably better off with AucTeX instead of
the packages that come with XEmacs.

	http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/
	ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz

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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its
Srinivas> value as 4.  But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get
Srinivas> a tab 8 spaces wide.

Srinivas> However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88
Srinivas> 96 104 112 120)

Srinivas> So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to
Srinivas> 4 and (4 8 12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

Yup.
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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan  <jong@seawater.seaotter.com> writes:

Jonathan> I am compiling Xemacs 19-14 on a Linux 2.0.20 kernel, ELF.

Check your version of jpeglib against the recommended version in the
FAQ.  You need a fairly recent version of libgr.

Also check for older versions in the library path.
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>>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Anderson <andersb@morgan.com> writes:

Bruce> I have some lisp that works in 19.13 and produces an error in
Bruce> 19.14.  The problem revolves around use of (interactive "i").
Bruce> Anyone know how I can interactively select a string from an
Bruce> alist via interactive?

This bug has been fixed in XEmacs 19.15 (which will be available
shortly).

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> O.K. I have permissions interactive, I have highlighting on
Rick> links, directories, executables, and boring. But when I mark a
Rick> file, all I get is a leading asterisk. dired-face-marked seems
Rick> to be ignored.

This doesn't appear to be implemented in 19.14.  I don't believe
uncommenting the code which sets the font-lock-keywords helps either.
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
> universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to stuff that
> needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

Fine, so turn it off. Choice is the universal good. Many programmers I
have talked to say that their productivity went up once they were able
to use an editor with syntax coloring. It helped in debugging, and in
preventing the bugs in the first place.

> prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
> "dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

You are going to unreasonable extremes to support your point. WWW
pages are content-free because they have color, their content-free
because the people that made them content-free. But there are plenty
of content-free pages with nothing more fancy than a horizontal rule.

> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
> | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
> | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
> | productivity.

I'd be hard pressed to agree with that one. No one interface is good
for everyone. For instance, an iconic interface totally sucks for the
blind, who need text that can be read to them by the computer.

> | The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
> | that allows the user to do this.
> 
> do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
> I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

Oh please, tell me you've never pointed at something behind a glass
case and said "That one, please." Tell me you don't gesture while
talking. 

A mouse is kind of stupid for a lot of things, to be sure. Menu bars
add questionable benefit to productivity. Never the less, the
combination is incredibly useful for learning about the capabilities
of the program. Ideally one day we will be able to *say* any of:

Move this paragraph here

Move the second paragraph to after the third

Stick line 2 before line 12

Bag the first second and fourth paragraphs, as well as this line

> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
> | know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
> | what is an editor.

> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
> it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
> users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
> "we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

Did someone say this? You didn't quote anyone saying this.

Most of these folks don't need to know about the complexities of the
computer system. They want to get a paper out. This should involve
starting the program, typing, occasionally changing the format, and
then printing.

Unfortunately, most of the time what they really do is something like
this:

Start the program. Discover that for whatever reason, the program
won't start. Call tech support. Tech support works with them for
several hours. Finally it starts after 5 reboots. They type for a
while. Try to make a header bold and larger. The computer prints
really ugly characters. Call tech support, Oh, I need ATM, or a new
font.

Curse, curse, curse.

The fact is, despite great advances, computers a still a pain to use
for most folks. Hell, they are a pain to use for experienced folks,
just ask any admin who has had to try and switch from SunOS to
Solaris.

One "innovation" I could do without: Icon palates. These generally are
not very clear. Case in point: On the MetroWerks IDE for Macintosh, no
one could identify the icon for Save As. For whatever reason it was a
lifesaver. Why? Who knows.

> you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
> users.  I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have

> that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
> yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you

> people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
> you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.

Oh yes, that is a great demonstration of your open mindedness.

> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
> others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
> who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
> who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one

Wow, what a nice prejudice against the visually oriented. It may come
as a shock to you, but some of the greatest minds in history and in
computing, who are fantastic writers and thinkers, have been known to
prefer to point at things instead of describing them. That way, they
don't have to waste time formulating the words of how to describe a
paragraph, and can instead concentrate of the contents of the
paragraph as a set of concepts.

So, nyah. :-)

> a word says more than a thousand images.

Which one?

And the funny thing is, I like Gnu emacs better, mainly because I have
been using it for 10 years.
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Hi,
	Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
using Windows 95.
	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?

-- 
---
Tuan Thanh Vo            e-mail: VOTT@hg.uleth.ca
The University of Lethbridge


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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 08 Nov 1996 23:42:10 -0800
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As one of the XEmacs developers, I'd like to respond to some of Erik's
claims:

- data abstraction - in a world where things are implemented as
  integers, (eq a b) can be true if objects a and b are completely
  unrelated.  This is less likely to happen with XEmacs lisp.

- Commmon Lisp functions - XEmacs' way is to use the cl package.  It
  provided `setf' and `defstruct', as requested by Erik.
  Ironically, it is implemented completely in lisp, and might be a
  better performer with some C support.  (I could never understand why
  trivial but useful macros like `when' were not available to the
  Emacs Lisp programmer in 1985).

- I am one of the people for whom editing is a lifestyle, but I still
  prefer XEmacs.  

- Building an environment that is usable out of the box is a Good
  Thing.  I am surprised that Erik would consider having an Emacs that
  requires customization to be useful to a novice is better than one
  that `just works'.  The defaults for XEmacs are `prettier' than
  Emacs, and I think XEmacs should move even further in this
  direction.  For example, font-lock-mode should default to `on'.

I think XEmacs and Emacs both have a lot to offer.  I want them both
to continue getting better.  I love Emacs.  I love Richard Stallman.
I even love Erik Naggum.

Martin

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adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:

> 
> Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
> 
> : Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
> : slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
> : iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.
> 
> I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
> at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
> more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.

We have lots of problems with this on our HPs (10.10 and 10.01). Other
posters have reported problems on Suns. One has noted that it looks as
though the problem may be redisplay running to completion rather than
stopping when new input is available.

For reference I've had slowdowns in a copy of xemacs started with -q
-no-site-file (not that we have anything in our site startup file)
this was 19.14 compiled with gcc 2.7.2 on HP-UX 10.01 running on HP-UX
10.01 and 10.10

Regards

Paul.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:

Peter> I am attempting to set-up and maintain both GNU Emacs and
Peter> XEmacs on the same system, and I am sure there must be a lot of
Peter> common lisp code, as some of the packages must be synced.

There is, but not on a file by file basis.  There is not a
particularly good synch between XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.34, most
of the 19.34 code is newer.  I did the synch up of XEmacs 19.15 lisp
with Emacs 19.34 and found depressingly many files with a handful of
lines changed here and there.

Peter> Would anyone care to share with me a strategy for combining
Peter> bith the lisp directories (by soft links or otherwise) to
Peter> ensure that only identical files are eliminated, and that it is
Peter> easy to maintain after upgrades etc.

Peter> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
Peter> directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain
Peter> availability of all code, and ensure that the most appropriate
Peter> version is run for each of the emacsen, but I am not really
Peter> sure how to do this (ISTR that there are elisp files setting up
Peter> the paths...) and the elimination of duplication looks like a
Peter> nightmare.

It is.

Peter> Can anyone help me?

Your best bet is to keep the main distributions separate and use the
packages that came with their respective emacsen.  You can probably
get away with sharing site-lisp code, but you will need to byte
compile it with XEmacs.

In terms of preparing for an upgrade the only directory you should be
modifying files in is the site-lisp directory
(/usr/local/share/emacs/19.34/site-lisp or /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp).

-- 
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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*  <hacksaw@user1.channel1.com>
| Many programmers I have talked to say that their productivity went up
| once they were able to use an editor with syntax coloring.

you missed the point entirely.  various people say that "color improves
programmer productivity", "color and graphics help people communicate with
computers", and other _universal_ statements about _all_ users.  I object
to this because it is _not_ universalizable, and the programmers and other
users who do _not_ improve their productivity with _lots_ of irrelevant
sensory input, new and application-specific symbolic languages (icons),
etc, should not be sacrificed to the "let's pretend all people are the
same" that greatly improves the profit margin of companies who can sell
billions of copies of the same program all over the globe, instead of
having the machine adapt to the user.  whether we are ruled by a program
that a majority or a minority of users object to is irrelevant -- the fact
remains tha programs should not rule people.  a pretty dictator is no
better than an ugly one as far as freedom is concerned.

I'm reminded of the old philosophical discussion about swans.  "all swans
are white", was the proposition after someone had only seen white swans.
"no, that's not true", would be a legitimate objection by one who had seen
a black swan.  if, at this point, some _idiot_ should object with "are you
saying that NO swan is white!?", all hope of resolution would evaporate.
and that is _exactly_ what it is like to tell people that "no, not all
people find color and graphics and lots of icons and mouse clicking to be
beneficial".

the point in this whole exercise to make people aware that people are not
all exactly the same.  individual preferences that may account for less
than 10% of the population should not be ruled out with "sorry, you can't
use a modern computer as efficient as the next guy, so you'll be unemployed
in our modern future".  computers should not demand a particular kind of
people no more than any other _universal_ tool should.

to those who have asked: no, I'm not blind, colorblind, or hard of seeing.
if, however, I were, I would object even _more_ strongly to the claims
(effectively) made by soi disant user interface designers that people with
visual challenges have nothing to do in the modern world.  this is the
first time in history when a blind person's intellect can come to full use
without regard to the disability.  however, GUI designers, WWW designers,
etc, are actively at work to reduce their chances to succeed and to utilize
their talents so much that they are left behind _completely_, and their
situation is much worsened by those _modern_ "user interfaces".

the user interface should be an issue between the individual user and his
computer (i.e., _total_ customizability), _not_ an issue between a vendor
and the most profitable _class_ of users, at the expense of all other
users.  optimize too much for X, and you lose the necessary flexibility.
due to the Emacs/XEmacs split on the user interface, and the _stupid_ need
for the splitters to break everything else in the process, we have yet a
long way to go to abstract out the user interface so mouse-clicking users
can benefit as much as typing users can.

five years ago or so, I wrote an article to comp.lang.c about the _massive_
difference between "user input" and "program input".  I subsequently lost
the article, but it seems even more important today: I would like to see
all applications talk in a language reasonable for program input, and then
build user interface who talk that language to the application on the one
hand and does its thing towards the user on the other.

I already said in my first message in this thread that XEmacs is more
suited to people who like graphics and such, and David Hughes found that
insulting, but my gripe with XEmacs is not about the user interface (about
which I could hardly care less, as long as I can choose something else),
but about the careless breaking of the rest of Emacs.  _that_ is the
extremely annoying aspect to XEmacs.  if they had done it right, we could
have had one Emacs with two different user interfaces (and then more would
be easy to add).  however, they did it wrong, and we now have two Emacsen
where the rest of Emacs is also different.  how _incredibly_ stupid!

#\Erik
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>>>>> On 08 Nov 1996, Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> said:

Srinivas> When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its
Srinivas> value as 4.  But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get
Srinivas> a tab 8 spaces wide.

    Documentation for tab-width:
    * Distance between tab stops (for display of tab characters), in
    columns.  Automatically becomes buffer-local when set in any
    fashion.

  In plain english this is the width of tab columns.  This is very
handy for program sources indenting: set tab-width to your preferred
indentation width in programming modes.  Magically, a lot of other
people's sources will be indented to your liking !

Srinivas> However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88
Srinivas> 96 104 112 120)

    Documentation for tab-stop-list:
    * List of tab stop positions used by `tab-to-tab-stops'.  This
    should be a list of integers, ordered from smallest to largest.

  This mean that tab-to-tab-stops may insert several tab's to get to
the required position.  This what you want to change if your using
this function to tabulate, like in text mode.

Srinivas> So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to
Srinivas> 4 and (4 8 12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

  Here is a little helper:

(defun my-make-tab-stop-list (n &optional col)
  "Build a list suitable for a `tab-stop-list' of constant column width N.
Always call with a _single_ argument N > 0."
  (let ((inc (or col n)))
    (if (< n 121)			; We have to stop somewhere
	(cons n (my-make-tab-stop-list (+ n inc) inc)))))
(setq tab-stop-list (my-make-tab-stop-list tab-width))

  IMHO tab-width should be set to 8 in text mode so that tables, right
justification etc... work ok nearly everywhere.

Kim-Minh.

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From: Ryszard Tanas <tanas@zon1.physd.amu.edu.pl>
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Subject: processp, nil
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 15:35:34 +0100
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When I try to strip ^M characters in XEmacs 19.14 using
M-x comint-strip-ctrl-m I get the message: Wrong type argument:
processp, nil
Can somebody tell me what is wrong in my configuration?
Thanks for any clues.
Ryszard
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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: ByteCompiler 19.14, false warning
Reply-To: jari.aalto@ntc.nokia.com

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux

	Please, could you correct this error, so that
	I stoip chasing ghosts, because I usually trus bytecompiler
	(I use XE one solely, because it's better that Emacs to
	find bugs ! )

	Without the 'setq' there is no warnings and that is strange.
	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement

	/jari



[this is false error]
While compiling test in file /users/jaalto/T.el:
  ** variable a bound but not referenced

(defun test ()
  (let (a)
    ;; Variable a defined
    ;; variable a used
    (setq a t)
    (if t
	(let ((b (if a t))
	      )
	  ;; code continues
	  ;;
	  ))))

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Is there a Javascript mode or an extention of the HTML mode to support
Javascript?

Thanks,
Gene Katz
(ekatz@attmail.att.com)

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Mark Hood (hood@eng.sun.com) wrote:
> OTOH, I moved from XEmacs 19.11 to GNU Emacs 19.34 and that was *definitely*
> an upgrade.  My major motivations were performance, availability of an OS/2
> PM version in addition to X Windows, ability to use a terminal, and the
> sponsorship of the FSF.
> It seems that XEmacs now supports terminals.  In what version did that

Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
> calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by

Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.  This is from Lispref introduction:

     Most of the XEmacs text editor is written in the programming
  language called XEmacs Lisp.  You can write new code in XEmacs Lisp and
  install it as an extension to the editor.  However, XEmacs Lisp is more
  than a mere "extension language"; it is a full computer programming
  language in its own right.  You can use it as you would any other
  programming language.

To quote your own words, Erik:
"just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
it's as simple as that." (message-id <3056208803488615@naggum.no>)

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
> 	Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
> using Windows 95.

Yes, GNU Emacs 19.34 works native on win95.

> 	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
> have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?

No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Scott Evans (gse@ocsystems.com) wrote:
> I have a question then, for people that use both often: am I going to drive
> myself crazy trying to port my 1100-line .emacs file to FSF Emacs?  And

It depends on what you do in your .emacs.  I have a 250-line .emacs
and 138-line .gnus, and they work on both Emacsen with hardly an if.

> will it be a dreadful task trying to get it configured so it behaved pretty
> much in the manner I'm accustomed (i.e. XEmacs)?  I don't *need* buttonbars
> and all that, I'm more concerned about keystrokes, behavior differences,
> and elisp incompatibilities.  In short, I want to make sure I won't have
> to learn a completely different tool to do this, since that's not my
> goal.  Really, my goal is to have XEmacs on Win95, but since I can't do
> that I'll make my goal "having *some* real emacs on win95".

I think you'll be quite satisfied with GNU Emacs.  The behaviour
differences are minimal to a simple user, and keystrokes aren't a
problem if you just follow the FAQ guidelines.  For example, things
like:
(global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer)
now work on both Emacsen without problems.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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* Hrvoje Niksic
| but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

when you read arguments like this, check the X-Mailer header of the poster.
it is important for many XEmacs users to snub Emacs, for no good reason.

#\Erik
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* Hrvoje Niksic
| Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.

is it safe to assume that this is the most important point you could bring
up at this time?  is it safe to assume that you have found nothing else to
argue about?  if so, that's pretty good, don't you think?

please watch Emacs and XEmacs developers talk about Lisp.  I have.  if they
talk about an "API", they have consistently been XEmacs developers.  fact
is, XEmacs cares about internal implementation details (abstract/opaque
data types) and interfaces to them -- that's why they had to break with the
way Emacs did it to implement their "improved" version.  fact is, Emacs is
perfectly content to provide a C stratum for Emacs Lisp to run on, and to
_think_ in Lisp.  in XEmacs, types are i C.  in Emacs, types are in Lisp.
(this is a coarse generalization, of course.)  in consequence, XEmacs does
sport an "API" to its opaque types, while Emacs does not need to.

_again_, if opaque data types were as hot as they are supposed to be, how
come XEmacs Lisp has no `defstruct' or `defclass'?  if modularity and such
is so important, how come XEmacs has not implemented a package system to
distinguish between internal and external symbols in a package, and still
use the prefix-every-name-with-its-package-name deal?  the only conclusion
that can be drawn is that encapsulation, abstraction, etc, are _not_ good
ideas in Lisp, but instead are used as a means to make the code harder to
understand and change for programmers that the XEmacs developers don't
trust.  (this latter point was made _explicitly_ by Ben Wing earlier.)  of
course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
"wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but
it's ludicrous to argue against what renegade programmers can break when
the dangers they try to fend off are mainly their own creation.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic
> | Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.
> is it safe to assume that this is the most important point you could bring
> up at this time?  is it safe to assume that you have found nothing else to
> argue about?  if so, that's pretty good, don't you think?

No, Erik, of course not.  I have only corrected a most blatant lie.
It is not nitpicking, as you would have it.

<<
another very useful item in judging Emacs vs XEmacs is to look very
carefully at how they approach the Lisp code: in Emacs, it is a real
programming language, and the C is just support code for it, whereas in
XEmacs, you find people talking about the "API" all the time, and they are
>>

As you can see, your mentioning of "API" was within a context, and it
helped to prove a point.  The fact of unveiling the lie does not
necessarily make the whole point invalid, but it does degrade the
credibility of the article writer.

What you are doing, Erik, is finding the motes in other people's eyes,
while you don't see the beams in your own eyes.  That was the point I
made, and you know it very well.

> please watch Emacs and XEmacs developers talk about Lisp.  I have.  if they
> talk about an "API", they have consistently been XEmacs developers.  fact

I have grepped the XEmacs reference manual for the word "API", and
found it only within the context of Tooltalk support.

> course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
> and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
> "wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but

The same thing was done by GNU Emacs developers, many times.  Look at
relevant posts by Barry Warsav in this thread.

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Come on, people... over 40 messages out of total 332 in the
comp.emacs.xemacs newsgroup. Don't you have anything more interesting
to do? I'm glad gnus uses scoring:

L s e p (lower on subject exactly matching -- permanently)

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| What you are doing, Erik, is finding the motes in other people's eyes,
| while you don't see the beams in your own eyes.  That was the point I
| made, and you know it very well.

this is getting to be _really_ stupid.  if you wish to disprove my point
that XEmacs developers and users refer to, think about, and interact with
what they themselves call the "API" to C-level internals, you have to show
that this is not the case, not that they do not _always_ do it, which I
have never claimed.  since you mentioned Barry Warsaw and "grep", grep his
messages for "API" while you're grep'ing.

you seem to be excessively interested in individual words, instead of
trying to understand what is being said.  (just as you obviously find it
more important to count negative words than detect negative meaning, you
use _grep_, of all irrelevant tools, to argue against a distinction in
attitudes towards a programming language.)  the very _nature_ of "abstract/
opaque data types" requires "API"s.  the _concept_ of an "API" was invented
by the same guys who invented them.  now, for primitive types, this is only
ridiculous.  for complex constructions, it's _wrong_.  e.g., `let' is not
an "API" to the stack-unwinding facility of the Emacs Lisp machine, it's a
binding form.  if you think C-level implementation, you will have to think
about `let' as a complicated `unwind-protect' form that resets a variable
to its old value upon exit from the form, regardless of how that exit
should take place.  however, that is not a useful way to think about `let'
forms, even if you were implementing them.

likewise, programmers should not think in terms of manipulating _types_,
they should think in terms of getting things done.  the type-centric view
of programming is at odds with dynamic types in the first place.  in Emacs
Lisp (and other Lisps), you _don't_ know which types your arguments have
until you check them, and you don't check unless you need to.  in XEmacs,
there are hundreds of functions that access data structures according to
their type, and _not_ according to the role of the data or the function it
has for that type.  this is _exactly_ how one would expect a C++-programmer
to implement types, and very foreign to Lisp programmers.  (for a wider
example of the distinction: C/C++ programmers think about object
orientation in terms of objects that "have" functions.  in the Common Lisp
Object System, object-orientation is in terms of generic functions whose
behavior is specialized on objects of differing kinds.)  I take it that the
XEmacs folks don't appreciate Lisp's dynamic typing, and thus want to
impose the silly notion of static typing on XEmacs, too, mostly because
it's so disgustingly "trendy".  again, who _cares_ whether the code inside
is trendy or not, except people with a _marketing_ agenda?  it's as if some
marketing "genius" had invented a sticker that said "abstract data types
inside" that would make all the hype-pushers all excited about _nothing_.

| I have grepped the XEmacs reference manual for the word "API", and
| found it only within the context of Tooltalk support.

you missed "annotation API functions" within the context of extents.  as
long as you wish to fuss about minutiae, at least get them right.

| > course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
| > and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
| > "wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but
| 
| The same thing was done by GNU Emacs developers, many times.  Look at
| relevant posts by Barry Warsav in this thread.

you seem to be utterly unable to _understand_.  most of the other people
who continue this thread at least understand what's going on.  happily,
those who only count negative words or see only flaming must have utilized
their kill or score files, but _you_ misunderstand and argue completely
irrelevant points, constantly.  this leads me to conclude that you have no
substantial disagreement, and only want petty arguments.

Emacs breaks existing code _very_ seldom, and only when there is very good
reason to do so, such as because of a reported bug.  whoever reported bugs
in the design of keymaps or the syntax of keybindings?  these were changes
made for some misguided "puristic" idea, and broke code BECAUSE IT WAS IN
SOME _IRRELEVANT_ WAY "WRONG".  get it?  I will argue that every time Emacs
has made a change that was not backwardly compatible, there was a very
specific reason to do it, and most of the time it broke working code, it
was because that working code had taken liberties about internals.  (Ben
Wing argued vociferously that people taking advantage of knowledge of
internals is a good reason to make such knowledge hard to obtain.  I
maintain that Emacs programmers form a community of people who should let
eachother learn and understand and thus avoid such errors through the good
will of cooperation.  if, however, your default mode of thinking is
competition, people will work in isolation and not work together.)  lots of
changes were made to XEmacs because it would be easier to program the thing
if things were different, but that's implementation details that should not
affect users, unless, of course, your focus is on APIs instead of
programming languages.

I find it incomprehensible that somebody should at all want to make a whole
lot of fuss about this.  the XEmacs marketing includes a lot of hype about
abstract/opaque data types.  XEmacs have hundreds of functions that deal
with access to datatypes unique to XEmacs.  this _is_ the API concept!

#\Erik
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Mike Humski (mhk@rahul.net) wrote:
: Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

Though I won't even attempt to answer this question, I do wish that both
sides would create fewer incompatibilities with each other.  IMHO, _both_
sides are incredibly arrogant.  GNU Emacs should recognize that XEmacs
exists; if XEmacs adds a new feature, then if GNU Emacs adds the same
feature, they should do it in a compatible way.  OTOH, XEmacs should realize
that their roots are in GNU Emacs, and quit bitching about how RMS doesn't
see things the same way that they do.

What it comes down to is that I, as a user, don't care.  I want something
that works, is (at least mostly) bug-free, and runs quickly.  (I still find
myself using VI for over 50% of my text-editing needs, even though I _hate_
it and would much rather use Emacs, simply because both Emacsen are too
slow!  This on a PPro 200 w/64 Megs!!!)

My vision for the future of both Emacs' is for me to have all lisp files,
and all other support files, identical for both programs, and simply have
the binaries for both programs on my system.  I can certainly spare 10
megs extra to have both binaries, but I have a hard time justifying ~50
megs apiece for Emacs and XEmacs.

I say, let both emacs' live.  Just make them live in the same house :)

- Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schneider <jschneider@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:

Jon> Not very long ago there was a really useful stress relieving
Jon> feature in Xemacs where if you frantically clicked somewhere in
Jon> the minibuffer area you would get the friendly message 'BLAT
Jon> FOOP'. I'm not sure if this feature was removed between versions
Jon> 19.13 and 19.14 or just expired at a certain date. Anyhow I do
Jon> miss it, and was wondering if anybody could shed some light on
Jon> it.

(You learn something new every day ...)

They're still there.  Examine prim/modeline.el for details.

The comments say:

               ;; cough sputter hack kludge.  It shouldn't be possible
               ;; to get in here when we are over the minibuffer.  But
               ;; it is happening and that cause next-vertical-window to
               ;; return nil which does not lead to window-height returning
               ;; anything remotely resembling a sensible value.  So catch
               ;; the situation and die a happy death.
               ;;
               ;; Oh, and the BLAT FOOP error messages suck as well but
               ;; I don't know what should be there.  This should be
               ;; looked at again when the new redisplay is done.

They're probably gone because the bug they were working around has
been fixed ...
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I've just compiled and installed Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5.1 with CDE, 
I also have X11R6 installed.

The compile and install went without any problems, and all's well except 
that Xemacs complains about pixmap to Strings conversion, I also see 
problems with Italic fonts.

Sun's solution to the font problems is "Don't use Italic fonts" which seems
pretty lame to me.

So how's the best way to compile and install Xemacs 19.14 to avoid the 
minor but annoying errors or this something you have to live with?

Thanks

Pete

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First, yes, I read the XEmacs and the Emacs FAQ's and I
couldn't find any references to the following question:

Is it possible to have a minibuffer in its own frame?
If it is possible, what would be the elisp be to put in
my .emacs?  (I am running XEmacs v19.14)

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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:

Jari> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
Jari> 	Please, could you correct this error, so that
Jari> 	I stoip chasing ghosts, because I usually trus bytecompiler
Jari> 	(I use XE one solely, because it's better that Emacs to

Please call it XEmacs, thanks.

Jari> 	find bugs ! )

Jari> 	Without the 'setq' there is no warnings and that is strange.

This is correct behavior.

Jari> 	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement

The XEmacs bytecompiler optimizes by default, and at least for the
example you gave, it's bogus code (or you have false expectations
about the resulting byte code) in that the binding for b is never used
so it is optimized away.  The setq is similarly dead code, so it is
eliminated as well.

The reason why the error message goes away when you eliminate the
source setq is that all the code is optimized away then. :-)

It probably should optimize away all the code in either event, and
that could be considered a bug, but one I doubt we'll fix soon ...

Compare with the code:
(defun test ()
  (let (a)
    ;; Variable a defined
    ;; variable a used
    (setq a t)
    (if t
	(let ((b (if a t))
	      )
	  ;; code continues
	  (princ b)
	  (terpri)
	  ))))

Which bytecompiles without warnings as it should.

Jari> [this is false error]

;;; This version of the byte compiler has the following improvements:
;;;  + optimization of compiled code:
;;;    - removal of unreachable code;
;;;    - removal of calls to side-effectless functions whose return-value
;;;      is unused;
 ...
;;;    - peephole optimization of emitted code;
 ...
;;;  o  If the optimizer deletes a variable reference, we might be left with
;;;     a bound-but-not-referenced warning.  Generally this is ok, but not if
;;;     it's a synergistic result of macroexpansion.  Need some way to note
;;;     that a varref is being optimized away?  Of course it would be nice to
;;;     optimize away the binding too, someday, but it's unsafe today.


Also compare the results you get when you add this statement.

(eval-when-compile (setq byte-optimize nil))

You then get:

While compiling test in file /tmp/T.el:
  ** variable b bound but not referenced

Which again, is the Right Thing to do.

Jari> While compiling test in file /users/jaalto/T.el:
Jari>   ** variable a bound but not referenced

Jari> (defun test ()
Jari>   (let (a)
Jari>     ;; Variable a defined
Jari>     ;; variable a used
Jari>     (setq a t)
Jari>     (if t
Jari> 	(let ((b (if a t))
Jari> 	      )
Jari> 	  ;; code continues
Jari> 	  ;;
Jari> 	  ))))

The XEmacs bytecompiler is smarter than it looks.  :-)

Hope this helps.
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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Jari> 	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement
> The XEmacs bytecompiler optimizes by default, and at least for the
> example you gave, it's bogus code (or you have false expectations
> about the resulting byte code) in that the binding for b is never used
> so it is optimized away.  The setq is similarly dead code, so it is
> eliminated as well.

A slight addendum: Jaari, it is *very* instructing to use
'disassemble.  Type `M-x disassemble RET test RET', and you will see
many interesting things about the bytecompiler and the way it works.
Your function, when disassembled, looks like this:

byte code for test:
  args: nil
0	constant  nil
1	varbind	  a
2	constant  t
3	varset	  a
4	unbind	  1
5	constant  nil
6	return	  

As you can see, 'a is bound (and set), but never referenced.  Now it
is quite obvious why the compiler issues the warning.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> Emacs breaks existing code _very_ seldom, and only when there is very
 EN> good reason to do so, such as because of a reported bug.

Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
"suggest-key-bindings"?

Why did ange-ftp's support for non-UNIX ftp servers disappear?

Why was code that tested system-type potentially broken (temporarily,
since that problem has been fixed) for a couple versions?  (The original
change was not "because of a reported bug".)

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> hold down a letter key, the characters appear one at a time even
> though the machine can't keep up with the auto-repeat (letters keep
> appearing after I release the key).

For what it's worth, I obtain a similar effect simply by moving the
curson over text; the cursor moves one letter at a time, and it keeps
moving after I release the key.

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In article <kigu3qzw5bt.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:

> Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
> and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
> but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
is an upgrade.  If imenu is important, 19.34 is an upgrade.

There are a number of reasons 19.34 could be considered an upgrade to
XEmacs 19.14.  It depends on what you want.

	Jan D.


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Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> In article <kigu3qzw5bt.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
> Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
> > Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
> > and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
> > but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.
> Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34

Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
version?

> There are a number of reasons 19.34 could be considered an upgrade to
> XEmacs 19.14.  It depends on what you want.

Just as there are a number of reasons 19.14 could be an "upgrade" to
GNU 19.34.  I think "upgrade" is definitely a wrong term -- e.g. both
are upgrades from Emacs 18.  We can talk about differences, though.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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* Christopher Davis
| Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
| "suggest-key-bindings"?

since this and similar questions are raised quite often by disgruntled
XEmacs workers, I'd like to know why you don't ask the question more
important to one who would like to _understand_ instead of _bitch_: "did
whoever who implemented `suggest-key-bindings' know that the feature
existed in XEmacs under another name?"

`suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
-p convention for a _variable_?)

in case you wish to have me answer all sorts of weird questions, I have
never made any attempt to speak for or on behalf of the Emacs maintainers
or RMS or the FSF or anything like that -- I clearly don't know everything
you might want to know and my not knowing is not evidence in either
direction.

e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even
heard _one_ of the sides properly.  I also don't know anything about the
timing of the supposed disappearance of these features.  it seems to me,
however, that this particular argument has been used for at _least_ three
years.  its relevance may have expired.

however, is it in fact true that such support has disappeared?  where can I
find the source that Andy Norman gave to RMS, and where is the first
version where the support has supposedly disappeared?  and what is the
state today?

#\Erik
-- 
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Christopher Davis
> | Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
> | "suggest-key-bindings"?
> whoever who implemented `suggest-key-bindings' know that the feature
> existed in XEmacs under another name?"

It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
do their best to implement them compatibly.

> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
> -p convention for a _variable_?)

teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.

> e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
> Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
> Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
> conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even

Fair enough.  I'd like some background on ange-ftp issues too.  I
think there was a file telling about this somewhere...

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:

    Jon> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do
    Jon> this for other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W"
    Jon> on my screen.  I however I do this for C-q C-j then I
    Jon> actually get a physical new line.  This plays havoc when
    Jon> entering a regexp with this in the middle.  I want a "^J".
    Jon> do other people get a "^J".

>>>>> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> replied:

    Hrvoje> So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline,
    Hrvoje> didn't you?  So you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from
    Hrvoje> editing the buffer, and definitely makes no "havoc".

>>>>> On 8 Nov 1996 09:44:44 +0100, Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) answers:

    Jon> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation*
    Jon> of a newline.

    Jon> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M) What
    Jon> we want is the equivalent in Emacs.

  This is not the same definition of newline you mentioned earlier,
you were mentionning C-j.  Emacs does display C-q RET as ^M.  By
default Emacs correctly displays newlines as newlines.  To use buggy
^J display, do (standard-display-ascii 10 "^J").  Use
(standard-display-default 10 10) to go back to normal.

  I just tried ^V^J in vi, and get a ^J: it displays ^J's read from a
file differently than ^J's read from keyboard.  Now how do I change
this ^J into a (real) new line ? :-)

    Jon> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I
    Jon> want ^J to represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get
    Jon> instead?  A real new line in the middle of a regexp statement
    Jon> or lisp file.  It certainly does cause havoc!

  In lisp files you can write \n for if you want this kind of
representation.  It's a good solution as you can save the file and
still see those \n after reloading it.

  If you just this weird behavior in the minibuffer, try:

(defun my-minibuffer-setup ()
  (standard-display-ascii ?\n "^J" (current-buffer)))
(add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'my-minibuffer-setup)

  I still don't know see how you could mix representation within the
same buffer under Emacs.

Kim-Minh.

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Hello,

What wrong here?

As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
debugmessage:

-8<-----
Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
  mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")
  message-user-mail-address()
  message-make-fqdn()
  message-make-message-id()
  message-generate-headers((From Newsgroups Subject Date Message-ID (optional .
Organization) Lines (optional . X-Newsreader)))
  message-send-news(nil)
  message-send(nil)
  message-send-and-exit(nil)
  call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)
-8<--


Where should I start looking to get rid of this?

Any help would be appreciated !

Hasta!
T.




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Is it possible to have the minibuffer in its own frame?
If so could someone point out to me where the elisp code is
located.

I am running Xemacs 19.14.

Thank you,
.dave.

--
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 (ozgurluk@xs4all.nl) wrote:
> Hello,
> What wrong here?
> As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
> whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
> debugmessage:
> -8<-----
> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
>   mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")

What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
(mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")

For me it evaluates to
(nil "tabe@ozgurluk")

-- 
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RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage that XEmacs had
over Emacs was variable width fonts, which BTW you can use for menus:

! Lucid X toolkit options for Emacs 19.30+

Emacs.pane.menubar.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1
Emacs.shell.menu*.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1

Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for. 

I'm no expert on XEmacs, but I do prefer the Emacs mouse interface.
For reasons of Motif compliance, XEmacs has much less functionality.

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
| XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
| do their best to implement them compatibly.

so you assume guilt on your opponent's part because you think he neglects
out of ill will to do something you _have_ to do because _you_ decided to
split out to begin with?  such is not justice.

I am left to assume that you have no _knowledge_ of that which could be the
basis for your accusations.  I assume further that the accusations are
baseless and groundless and that similar accusations will be of similarly
little value if the first question is not asked, namely "how do you know it
was intentional?".  remember, XEmacs ceased to _exist_ as an input source
after what the XEmacs folks did to some Emacs folks.  you complain about it
when it suits you and ignore the fact when that suits you.  do you know why
I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when
they are dishonest.  I don't know when what they say is propaganda for the
masses (e.g., marketing) or developer-to-developer "internal information".

in the light of the complaints about how Emacs does not adopt new stuff in
XEmacs, I'd like to see the date IN THE PAST, for the implementation of
char-tables and bool-vectors in XEmacs.  they were added as basic types to
Emacs 1995-09-22.  what's your explanation for _those_ not being in 19.14?

| teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
| date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.

you mean, like, there _are_ no ChangeLogs in XEmacs?  why can't you _know_
the _exact_ date it was added, like I can by reading the Emacs ChangeLogs?
I found it incongruous that XEmacs came without ChangeLogs.  I'm inclined
to think that this is because they wish to hide information.

#\Erik
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In article <kig4tixzi2a.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
> Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> > Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> > is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> > 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> > does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
> 
> Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
> version?

Of ncurses?  The problem is that XEmacs tries to do both bold and
underline in some places (info for example).  Underline is not a real
underline, but a colour combination.  So is bold.  Just happens that
bold + underline gives white on white background i.e. nothing shows.

Is there a switch to get XEmacs in terminal mode to do just text,
i.e. no bold, no underline, no colour, no reverse video?

	Jan D.


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Steven L Baur wrote:
> Check the `Options->"Other Window" Location' menu on the menubar.

Thanks a lot,
Thomas
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
> Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
> Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
> conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even
> heard _one_ of the sides properly.  I also don't know anything about the
> timing of the supposed disappearance of these features.  it seems to me,
> however, that this particular argument has been used for at _least_ three
> years.  its relevance may have expired.
> 
> however, is it in fact true that such support has disappeared?  where can I
> find the source that Andy Norman gave to RMS, and where is the first
> version where the support has supposedly disappeared?  and what is the
> state today?

Just what I have gathered from some communications: what RMS did with
ange-ftp while integrating it into Emacs 19 was to throw out all
functionality for accessing non-Unix ftp servers:  you cannot use
ange-ftp as included in Emacs 19 to access VMS ftp servers, or several
other brands.  The argumentation was, as far as I remember, that RMS
would not keep code in he could not test himself, and anyhow
considered support for non-Unix systems a non-priority.

efs will run with Emacs, but due to the massive changers with bad
consequences for the users RMS did to ange-ftp, Andy Norman is not
likely to sign the copyright to efs over to the FSF, and this probably
will make it unlikely that efs will ever be included in a standard
distribution of Emacs.  There are no hostilities involved here, but
just differences in opinion how packages contributed should be treated
to the best of other users.

This is what I gathered from several posts over here, and is just my
personal impression.  I hope I have not misrepresented something.

-- 
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
[.. agreed that colour is not a _universal good_]
> 
> | If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision?  Why are traffic
> | lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these colours?
> 
> if you wish to universalize your argument, you need more than that.  a
> simple counterargument: I have over 1800 books, of which 50 or so have
> color illustrations.  am I unable to learn from the rest, or enjoy them?
> how come I find the imagery in good books better than the imagery in
> movies?  clearly, some people are more verbal than visual.  you, like most
> of the people who are unable to deal with natural variation in human
> preferences, want to stuff colors down my throat, and I have to pay for it
> in reduced resolution, more expensive displays, not to mention _larger_
> displays to handle 19" or 21" screen real estate.  have you asked me?  no,
> you _argue_ against _my_ preferences.  your arrogance is unbelievable!
> 

Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
mode of interaction.  Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats,
but colours do help.  Why are the books you read only in B/W ? Well
because they are printed using a technology that has its foundation over
500 years ago (2,000 if your Chinese).  Browse some HTML pages, the
links will be in a different colour/font than the surrounding text.
This gives additional information about the text.  I can think of
several examples where a book would be improved by HTML. Emma by Jane
Austen for instance requires several footnotes to inform the reader of
the difference in word and phrase usage between the time the book was
written and the modern day.  Several authors are using modern printing
methods to present the information in new ways (eg Irvin Welsh in
Maribou Stork).  Colour is one of these new ways.

As an example I'll use the Air Traffic Control world, in which we have
HUGE screen real-estate (2kx2k displays).  Tracks are displayed in a
basic format with similar information, an Emergency track is then
coloured Red, a Conflict Track in white (with a line between the two
tracks). Radar Proximity warnings in yellow, point-outs in blue.  They
only use a limited number of colours (around 8) but these provide huge
amounts of information to the user that could not be presented as
quickly (and if your plane is hi-jacked you want the controller to know
ASAP) in other ways.


> | For most modern systems the appearance is the content, ...
> 
> exactly!  is this a good thing?  no.  this caters to a class of people who
> obviously are unable or unwilling to handle words.  with all the lack of
> contents in published material these days, _all_ they have to speak for
> them is appearance.  this has been a recognized problem on the Internet
> (WWW) for at least two years, now.  do you wish to tell me that I _must_
> prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
> "dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

No this is what I'm saying.  Go to the Electronic Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk they have an excellent Electronic newspaper
which uses colour in a minimal way (eg headlines in yellow main text in
different colours, links in red etc).  There are alot of pages that are
rubbish on the WWW and those that don't know how to use colour are the
worst.  Colour can however add extra information that words cannot in
that same time/space.  Well done it is much better than B/W, badly done
it is worse.


> 
> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
> | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
> | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
> | productivity.
> 
> "better productivity"?  (whose marketing department are you paid by?)
> that's nothing short of a load of bullshit.  better productivity depends on
> the task and on the person.  you ignore the _invidual_ completely, to be
> replaced by your obnoxious categorization of what is best for humans as
> such.  humans don't exist as such, they exist as individuals.  like any
> good dictator, however, some people would like to take away the working
> environments that make "deviants" more productive, in order to make the
> vast masses more productive.

This is a world conspiracy against you personally is it ?  Find a
secretary, tell her she has to use an old Typewritter again, that she
can't use Word any more because you say so.  The reason the market you
long for is dying is that people with little or no computer knowledge
are being required to use computers every day and they have cash by the
bucket loads.  The computer is the most powerful tool of the 20th
century why should this be limited to the "few".  If you cannot adapt to
the new world, or cannot see how anyone else can work quicker with a
modern system over on 10 years old I pity you.  This is computing, it is
now in a rapid phase of expansion, the challenges are ahead and they are
tougher than those that came behind.  Gone are the days when a sad bloke
sat in a room on his own able to code anything to any standard.  GUI
engineers must understand how people work, how the majority of people
work, you may not be in the majority and you therefore see the world
going against you, so be it.

<Phew wipes sweat of fingers>

> 
> | The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
> | that allows the user to do this.
> 
> do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
> I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

Okay heres a test, someone asks you which box to pick up out of three.
You want the middle one, do you use you had to point while saying "the
middle one" ? Maybe you don't most people will, people speak with their
hands quite a lot.

> 
> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
> | know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
> | what is an editor.
> 
> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
> it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
> computing away from those who could have benefited from it decades ago,
> because what you are _really_ saying is that "you poor idiots, computers
> are still too hard to understand for your puny little brains to be useful
> to you".  the _belief_ that computers are any more complex than, say, cars
> and driving in heavy city traffic is so incredibly condescending to those
> users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
> "we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

Do you think that all software engineers need to know about SR,GR how to
dope a transistor, how to mine silicon (or however you get it), how to
distribute computers  BEFORE they are allowed to touch one ?  Of course
not.  A computer for a secretary should be designed for their job not
for ours.  It is not saying they are stupid (hell I type at only 40wpm)
or that computers are amazingly complex, it says that here is an
amazingly powerful tool that can help you in your job.  Do BIC patronise
everyone of use when we use their pens because they are better than
using a quill pen but we don't know exactly how they make them ?

Anyone should be able to sit down at a Computer and do some basic tasks
(WP, accounts etc) without having to study manuals for days.  Why is
this wrong ?  This was much less likely with DOS or from the UNIX cli
than it is with modern GUIs.  They don't dictate half as much as CLIs
how someone should do a task.  Macros in even Word allow you to speed up
your task as you want. Motif allows you to configure just about anything
on the system.  I can't see how they limit people, I can see how they
empower them.

> 
> you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
> users. 

Umm ATC controllers are idiots are they ? Of course they are not.  I am
an idiot for using a GUI ? Of course not. Jobs and Wosniak were working
with morons too.  The majority of people are morons are they ?  Step out
of your shell and smell the modern world.  The computer will become less
a box and a keyboard and more a standard mode of interaction (eg talking
instead of typing).


> I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
> been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
> a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
> up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
> after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
> to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
> bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
> discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
> new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
> can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
> German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate moron.
> that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
> yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you
> won't see me agree to your "natural urge" bullshit any time sooner than you
> stop universalizing that bullshit to include me and millions of other
> people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
> you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.
> 

Bollocks, sorry but that is total rubbish.  You consider your view as
superiour to all others and will not even consider another point of
view.  I don't want point and click to be the only interaction with the
computer.  But I would prefer to be able to click on a connection to a
friend if they are at their machine and talk to them (using a colour
camera) than to type.  For discussions like this text is more
appropriate as it gives more time to think and deliberate rather than
reducing to a "Does" v "Does not" session.  To say that people who point
don't think is small minded to an amazing degree, on a VT220 it wasn't
an option so it wasn't good ?  The millions you claim who share your
view that the old ways were best I have not met. But the millions who
use and buy GUI products everyday seem to back me up.  There are more
people on Usenet now (for better or worse) than there ever have been, as
a result of the "point-and-click" power of modern interfaces, some of
these have added alot (especially in the science groups).
 

> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
> others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
> who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
> who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one
> person (namely, I) think and have preferences, not a universalizable
> argument about what Emacs users prefer over what XEmacs users prefer.
> however, I'm still inclined to believe that XEmacs users (not the least
> after reviewing the comments I have received), are less verbal and more
> visual than Emacs users, are less interested in studying manuals and
> learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
> calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by
> this, for God knows what reason.  observation it is, and it has been
> confirmed by this debate, and in no way disputed.
> 

I am indeed a visual person, although I am realy a visual-audio based
person in that I remember most that I have seen and most that is said.
I have read a huge amount, an editor has nothing to do with this.  It
could be said therefore that if you are a typical Emacs user (which I
doubt) then the Emacs user is sitting in about 1978 saying that the
"Star project at Xerox ? Huh nothing will come out of that". This isn't
true, neither is your generalisation of XEmacs users.  This is just an
editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and useability is
over. The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like CLIs.  Do you
recommend the pen over a CLI ? Afterall that had a simple interface and
no frills at all.


> a word says more than a thousand images.

Have you seen picture of the Jews during the holocaust ? Or football
fans as their teams scores ? Or of Linford Christie when he crossed the
line to take Gold in Barcelona ? The Mona Lisa ? The Last Supper ? The
starving in Ethopia etc etc etc.

> 
> exercises for the visually inclined: illustrate "appreciation", "humor",
> "software", "education", "inalienable rights", "elegance", "fact".
> 
This is just stupid, describe the Sistene Chapel, a Rembrant self
portrait, a bird in flight, the sea in a storm with out refering to any
image real or remembered.

And have you ever seen the Far Side cartoons, they sometimes have no
words and yet have lots of "humour".  A photo of an audience on its feet
appluading a conductor would be "appreciation", Software is an abstract
concept so is only really a word, a class of pupils studying or
University students graduating is not "education".  "Inalienable rights"
could be the Civil war picture of the first black battalion (I forget
the name, Missori 54th ?) walking past some cheering freed slaves.
"Elegance" could be a painting of the 18th Century of some great lady
(the one on the Oxford classics version of Emma would be a prime
example). Fact too is an abstract concept and therefore hard in images.




> #\Erik
> --
> Please address private replies to "erik".  Mail to "nobody" is discarded.


RSI here I come.

Steve Jones

Eurocontrol Experimental Centre

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>>"EN" == Erik Naggum schrieb am 09 Nov 1996 13:09:01 +0000:

 EN> statements about _all_ users.  I object to this because it is
 EN> _not_ universalizable, and the programmers and other users who do
 EN> _not_ improve their productivity with _lots_ of irrelevant
 EN> sensory input, new and application-specific symbolic languages
 EN> (icons), etc, should not be sacrificed to the "let's pretend all
 EN> people are the same" that greatly improves the profit margin of
 EN> companies who can sell billions of copies of the same program all
 EN> over the globe, instead of having the machine adapt to the user.

Aha - this sounds different from your previous postings. But to get
back to Emacs/XEmacs discussion: neither does a good job at adapting
to the user - this is left to him. Still my point is that if one WANTS
to have fancy buttons and the like he can have it with XEmacs but he
can't with Gnu Emacs (yeah, I know, "Gnu Emacs could have that, too, if
only the XEmacs ...." sschnnn ... author fallen asleep).

 EN> I'm reminded of the old philosophical discussion about swans.
 EN> "all swans are white", was the proposition after someone had only
 EN> seen white swans.  "no, that's not true", would be a legitimate
 EN> objection by one who had seen a black swan.  if, at this point,
 EN> some _idiot_ should object with "are you saying that NO swan is
 EN> white!?", all hope of resolution would evaporate.  and that is
 EN> _exactly_ what it is like to tell people that "no, not all people
 EN> find color and graphics and lots of icons and mouse clicking to
 EN> be beneficial".

Sorry, Erik, but look at your own postings and perhaps you will notice
that you also use the same tone: Steve Jones was the one who said that
one can benefit from "point-and-click" and you told him he could go to
hell if he would force you to adopt his belief (while he at best
modestly tried to convince you).

 EN> optimize too much for X, and you lose the necessary flexibility.

Why and in which respect ? Now that XEmacs can be used on ttys I can't
see a loose in flexibility (aside from size and speed - although for
me that's not the big deal). 

 EN> be easy to add).  however, they did it wrong, and we now have two
 EN> Emacsen where the rest of Emacs is also different.  how
 EN> _incredibly_ stupid!

"They did it wrong" "You did it wrong" I don't care who did what
wrong. Obviously neither side WANTS to work with the other because of
"You did it wrong" "No, you did" and "You insulted me" "You did
first". And this is the incredibly stupid reason for two different
versions, isn't it ?

Holger
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>>"h" == hacksaw  schrieb am 08 Nov 1996 20:52:08 -0500:

 h> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
 >> not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
 >> universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to
 >> stuff that needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

 h> Fine, so turn it off. Choice is the universal good.

Sic ! This is the point. Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer
you the possibilities I like (!) to have in XEmacs (and please, Erik
don't answer: do it for Emacs again - I have to get MY work done, not
yours. That's why I use XEmacs, not Gnu Emacs). I re-iterate it: if
the folks from the Gnu Emacs team and from XEmacs form up to unite the
two versions I will be happy to be the first one to use it - until
then I will use the one I prefer.

 >> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems,
 >> XEmacs | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I
 >> would say that | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will
 >> produce better | productivity.

 h> I'd be hard pressed to agree with that one. No one interface is
 h> good for everyone. For instance, an iconic interface totally sucks
 h> for the blind, who need text that can be read to them by the
 h> computer.

This is certainly correct - but one (the programmer) has to create an
interface which should be usable to most. And if he does his work
reasonably he also enables the user to change the interface to fit his
(the user's) needs. But I, too, believe that most people are helped by
having a visual interface in the first place (and I don't use the
icons in Gnus). 

 h> A mouse is kind of stupid for a lot of things, to be sure. Menu
 h> bars add questionable benefit to productivity. Never the less, the
 h> combination is incredibly useful for learning about the
 h> capabilities of the program. Ideally one day we will be able to
 h> *say* any of:

 h> Move this paragraph here

 h> Move the second paragraph to after the third

 h> Stick line 2 before line 12

 h> Bag the first second and fourth paragraphs, as well as this line

Please: don't ! This would only be of use if everyone of us would sit
alone and isolated in his own cell without anybody else trying to get
their work done. Have you sit in a room with 5 other people of which
two are talking while you try to hack some problem into the keyboard ?

 >> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no
 >> need to | know about the complexities of using a computer system
 >> to be able to use | what is an editor.

 >> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try
 >> to make it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of
 >> argumentation has kept users that I find myself speechless when
 >> faced with the incredible stance "we know what's good for you,
 >> just you sit still until we fix it for you".

This is simply nonsense. Go and ask some physist if he WANTS to know
the internals - in general he doesn't. It is fine that if he WANTS to
gain knowledge of the internals (or complexity or whatever) that he
can do so, but to force him learning about it before he can do
anything will stop anybody from using computers. You don't have to
understand how an engine works in order to drive your car (though it
can be of help certainly).

 >> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want
 >> you (and others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed
 >> by _individuals_ who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for
 >> dummies".  and for those who are inclined to point and not think:
 >> this is an example of how one

 h> Wow, what a nice prejudice against the visually oriented. It may
 h> come as a shock to you, but some of the greatest minds in history
 h> and in computing, who are fantastic writers and thinkers, have
 h> been known to prefer to point at things instead of describing
 h> them. That way, they don't have to waste time formulating the
 h> words of how to describe a paragraph, and can instead concentrate
 h> of the contents of the paragraph as a set of concepts.

I second that. Some say: you can't think of something which you can't
put in words. A lot of pictures and a whole lot more of music can not
be put in to words or if you try it doesn't give you an impression for
real. And believe me, I can think of music and much more and I don't
have to use words for that. 

So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like
pictures, colors, anything else which people like to use to get THEIR
work done, don't use them. But stop hindering people from using them
(not to mention insulting).

Holger
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It is possible but there are a few problems. Here's the
elisp I use:

(setq initial-frame-plist '(minibuffer nil))
(setq default-frame-plist '(minibuffer nil))
(setq minibuffer-frame-plist '(width 80 height 2 menubar-visible-p nil
                               default-toolbar-visible-p nil
                               name "minibuffer"
                               top 1 left -1))

The minibuffer-frame-plist is not strictly necessary but it does
remove a lot of the decoration.  I've named the frame "minibuffer"
so that I can tell the window manager not to put a titlebar on
the toplevel window.

Problems:
 You have to enter a mouse or keyboard event after startup
 before the minibuffer frame is created.   It redisplays
 and everything is fine.  This takes a moment so if you
 type C-x C-f quickly XEmacs will miss the C-f, for example.

 If you have teach-extended-commands switched on then XEmacs
 displays the keystrokes you could have used for a complex
 command and then sets focus to the wrong window.  You have
 to explicitly set focus to the minibuffer frame to complete
 the command.  Turn teach-extended-commands off and everything
 is mostly fine.

 It still trips up very occasionally.  I haven't found anything
 else repeatable.

Hope this helps.

--
Donald Hunter.

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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
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Erik,

I feel obliged to respond to the pedantic bickering which is
going on in this thread.  =

1) We are no longer arguing about Emacs and  XEmacs.  We are
trying to redefine what an  API is.  Emacs and XEmacs both
use lisp as a programming language and an API.  The programming
language lets you implement functionality and the API lets you
access interface features, OS features and other primitives which
are necessary to let the programmer do anything useful.

(X)Emacs lisp is nice because the OS features are wrapped up
in a high-level API.  You can't argue about (getenv) being
an API to the underlying OS, for example.  True in all Emacsen.

2) XEmacs does have a fatter API.  But then it needs one.  There's
the whole API related to specifiers for starters.  If specifiers
were implemented in lisp then performance would really suck.
Without specifiers the lisp you would have to write for many
XEmacs features would suck.  So the bare minimum of specifiers
is programmed in C and a lisp API is provided so that the =
functionality can be accessed easily when "programming in lisp".

3) I agree it's a shame that there is no encapsulation in XEmacs
lisp.  But XEmacs lisp and Emacs lisp are very similar.  There
are far fewer differences between the lisp implementations than =
there are in the C code and in the (X)Emacs specific packages.

4) I take offence to your suggestion that people 'willingly
and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some =
irrelvant way "wrong"?'.  When I write lisp which breaks on
one or other flavour it's because I don't know how to write it
portably.  Several package developers have managed to write
portable packages quite successfully.  It would be nice if someone
with this expertise could find the time to write a "Programming
for multiple Emacsen" guide for people like me.


I hope this thread will either die out or move onto more productive
ground.  You raised an important issue in your article which should
receive more thought.  We do need to try and encapsulate lisp packages
better so that variables are private to packages etc.  This is true
for both Emacs and XEmacs so interested parties should have something
common to discuss.  =

For me,  the the data abstraction in XEmacs C code is a great boon. =
If / when I ever find time to play with the internals I will probably
choose to do so with XEmacs.  For a newcomer to the C internals I think
the task of learning at least a little of the internals will be
easier in  XEmacs than in Emacs.  =

It doesn't help say that one is better than the other when they both
have so much in common and each have merits of their own.  I'm a GUI
person and I find XEmacs better for what I do.  When I used to work from
home I used Emacs because X over a modem was painful.

Strangely enough,  I often use XEmacs with the menubar and scrollbar
'switched off'  so that I can get more text on the display.  I do make
use of the XEmacs specific display features though:

  Separate minibuffer frame which is visible in all CDE workspaces.
  Specifiers which colour buffers differently.
  Proportional fonts (occasionally).
  I make heavy use of multiple frames (across multiple displays
    occasionally).

I don't defend my decision with religious fervour.  I don't consider
myself to be the member of one 'camp' or another.  I don't think
that my choosing XEmacs as my preferred environment puts a nail in the
coffin of Emacs.  I think it would be a tragedy if either emacs died
for any other reason than a successful merger.  I don't expect that
to happen so I hope that both carry on to thrive.  =

--
Donald Hunter.

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From: vott@hg.uleth.ca (Tuan Vo)
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In article <kigpw1nw4zs.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, hniksic@srce.hr says...
>
>Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
>>       Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
>> using Windows 95.
>
>Yes, GNU Emacs 19.34 works native on win95.
>
>>       And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
>> have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?
>
>No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
>mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).


Where can I download these emacs and/or xemacs software?
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The University of Lethbridge


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Hi,

I use the following for our site-start.el file:

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'turn-on-font-lock)
(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
(add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)

While visiting a TAGS file (where there is really nothing to fontify)
emacs tries to fontify the TAGS file and sits there doing it for quite
a while (since this is a large Fortran project). My collegues are
quite unhappy with this ``feature'' since their job performance get
decreased for just fontifying nonsense.

How can I specifically turn of lazy-lock-mode and font-lock-mode for
TAGS files ????


Please reply to bauer@itsm.uni-stuttgart.de

Cheers,

Holger


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this could have been an interesting discussion had it been possible for
Steven Jones to understand what I'm trying to tell him.

* Steve Jones
| Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
| that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
| mode of interaction.

when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?  please try to
understand that all I'm trying to do is to communicate to you that _not_
_every_ user agrees with the "majority" view.  incidentally, there never
was a vote on this, and if there were, you would find that users buy what
they think is necessary to get the job done, at the lowest cost, and with
the least relevant blemishes and flaws.  _millions_ of users have accepted
that they lose work with Microsoft tools.  should we then claim that the
"majority" is willing to lose their work, so there is no need to improve
the quality of the products?

however, when you make universal statements like the very next statement:

| Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats, but colours do help.

then I must again object.  the question is "_whom_ do colors help?"  for
what _reason_ do they help?  _colors_, per se, do not help.  colors per se
are just photons in a different hurry.

you don't even seem to _register_ that I don't have a color display to
begin with, so, no, "the links will be in a different color than the
surrounding text" is a false assumption on your part.  I seriously wonder
how, in your world of pointing and colors, the idea of "false assumption"
could ever be expressed, but you _assume_ that I have colors even though
I'm actually telling you that in _fact_ I don't.  why?

the rest of your message is equally out of touch with what I tried to tell
you: that _not_every_ user will be a new user who does not understand
computers (if you're looking for 70's cliche's, you're a master at using
them -- today's users are far more educated in the workings of a computer
than they were when this "oh, we must protect the ignorant users" argument
was at its peak), that _not_every_ computer will be used by people who are
expected to be unskilled for their job, that _not_every_ programmer has to
work _only_ with the user interface.  I'm quite certain that your world
consists only of user interface programmers who deal with stuff where color
helps, but I'm asking you only one thing: to remember, if not understand,
that there are uses for computers where colors do _not_ help, where colors
add to the cognitive load, where lots of gimmickry on the screen _reduce_
productivity, etc.  if users matter to you, _I_ will matter to you, and _I_
say, as a long-time computer user, that what you say about all users is
simply _not_true_ of _all_ users.  if you ignore this fact, as you have
shown an amazing willingness to do, you are not interested in users, you
are interested in finding users who agree with you, or can be forced to
agree with you, and then sell them things.  well, I don't, and I won't,

you mention CLI's and think DOS or Unix (!) is the best CLI to compare
against.  it is obviously the best when you wish to let colors and GUIs
win, which is just what they did in the DOS world: because the DOS CLI is
so crummy.  Unix came later, not because vendors were slower or it was
harder to do or anything like that, but because users saw no need for it.
if you are honest and actually want a useful comparison, look at TOPS-20's
command interface.  yes, TOPS-20 is defunct, but you can read about it, and
the interface lives on in Cisco's routers, in Kermit, in lots of places.
should a command line interface be able to help the user?  DOS doesn't
think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND does.
should a program and the command line interpreter work together?  DOS
doesn't think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND
does.  etc.

whether you get a menu by typing `?' or clicking on a mouse is irrelevant.
whether you speak an actual _language_ to the computer _is_ relevant.  I
want to use a _language_ to talk to the computer, and I want it to be the
best language that each of us can deal with (i.e., I'm willing to learn
something new in order to be better at my job, and I don't accept the
argument that professionals in any discipline should demand _not_ to learn
to use their tools), such that we achieve maximum information with the
least amount of effort.  GUIs lose _big time_ in this regard, except for
some specialized environments, where the information has already been
exchanged, such as in training air traffic controllers.  colors may help in
reminding people or stirring them into action.  if they were to handle a
new situation, or get new regulations or whatever, I hope they can still
get information in a _language_.

take syntax highlighting -- it wouldn't help if the user doesn't know the
language and the meaning of the colors, it confuses users greatly when
there are mistakes in it, it's very CPU intensive, and it is very wasteful
for people who don't make syntax mistakes in the first place.  in other
words, it's a beginner's support tool, and that beginner will probably
never acquire the proficiency in the language that another beginner would
that did not have such "crutches" to lean on.  but more beginners who don't
know what they're doing means more "jobs" and those of us who earn more on
a two-month project than they do slaving all year round, can reap even
higher rates when there are fewer "competitors" at our level.

| This is just an editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and
| useability is over.  The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like
| CLIs.

I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
_choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
_YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.

wars have _casualties_.  democracy was invented to stop the majority from
completely destroying the minority.  wars takes the shape of _ethnic
cleansing_, and you, Steven Jones, want to rid the world of all the users
who either cannot or will not use your colorful GUIs.  I want the _freedom_
to choose the interface between me and the program.  you want to deprive me
of that freedom.  who do you think is waging a war here?

I respect the fact that _some_ people like colors and GUIs and a mouse as
an input device, for _some_ tasks.  I represent the fact that _some_ people
do _not_ like colors or GUIs or a mouse as an input device for _their_
tasks.  I want choice.  you want a single way all users should interact
with the computer, just like that William H. Gates III fellow.  you can
keep your colors and GUIs and whatever you want, but you can be dead
certain that if you wish to exclude people based on handicaps or wish to
dictate working conditions for your users, you will face very serious
lawsuits.  if you want to listen to your users, you listen to users who
have the guts to stand up to "trends" and hyped-up nonsense, not just the
users who have been beaten to death by your bludgeoning arguments and can
only wimper about _which_ color they prefer.


but you don't even understand what I'm objecting to, do you, Steven Jones?
you think I'm objecting to the use of colors in Air Traffic Control, don't
you?  you don't understand that I'm not working as an Air Traffic
Controller, but as an author, a programmer, a lecturer, and I find myself
significantly reduced by so-called "audio-visual aids", not because it is
not well made when I make them, not because it is not easier to look better
and more "professional" with it, not because it might well help a student
or reader or two get the point quicker, but because I spend _five times_ as
much time preparing material for those "multimedia shows" as I do with a
blackboard and chalk, and it costs a lot of _real_ money to make them.  on
top of this, I get through less material in an hour, because people don't
_understand_ from figures, they have to be guided to understand _both_ the
figures _and_ what they represent.  _after_ they have understood, a figure
can indeed be benefitial, but _before_ they know what to understand, a
figure is no of value whatsoever.  it can be pretty, it can be redrawn a
lot easier by somebody who does _not_ understand, but understanding does
not come from figures.

it's harder to argue against a figure than a real argument.  it's harder to
argue against a color than what it represents.  for people who wish to
manipulate people, colors and figures are _the_ choice.  for people who
wish to understand and study, _language_ is the choice.

the same is true for your ATC users.  they wouldn't know what to do with a
white line or yellow line or red dot or whatever, _unless_ they had very
specific training in their jobs.  case in point: I sat down in front of a
"modern" computer the other day and watched somebody else work.  he had to
click on an amazing number of buttons with meaningless, itty-bitty "icons"
on them to accomplish a very simple task.  I found myself frustrated and
impatient, because I was wasting a lot of time (and their money), on one of
those "user friendly" systems.  as a counter-example, I had the pleasure of
dealing with secretaries as Oslo Stock Exchange who used Emacs (Gosling, I
think) on PRIME systems a few years ago.  they wrote their own Lisp macros,
in fact, since the keyboard macro facility produced Lisp code for them to
edit.  they were extremely efficient at everything they did.  one time,
we're talking the early 90's here, they had to use a temp, one of those who
were efficient at "modern" computers.  she got her own "modern" computer,
since she was unable to use the Prime systems, but still turned out to be
about one third as productive as the others, although she appeared to be
_working_ at least as hard, maybe harder, since she became frustrated that
her tools were not up to the speed that the other secretaries used.

I note in passing that you make a tremendous number of simple errors in
your writing.  "your" instead of "you're", etc.  English is not my native
language, but "Steven Jones" sounds English-like, even though you're in
France.  I find it alarming that language skills are dropping so fast among
users of graphic user interfaces, and I'm wary of programmers who make a
lot of mistakes of the "lack of precision" kind in their other dealings.

#\Erik
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I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on an HP with HPVUE 9.05.  I have version 3.1
of ispell and want to use it to check spelling in emacs buffers.  I've
tried just about everything including putting the autoload commands in
my .emacs (they are listed in the emacs FAQ).  However, every time I
run the ispell-buffer command, I get the following message in the mini
buffer:

	Symbol's value as variable is void: @

If anyone could help I'd sure appreciate it.
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From: Bodo Teichmann <tmn@iis.fhg.de>
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xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
files after the change) . 

the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

any ideas ?

bodo
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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* Holger Schauer
| But to get back to Emacs/XEmacs discussion: neither does a good job at
| adapting to the user - this is left to him.

how _could_ a program adapt to the user without the user communicating his
wishes to the program?  of course customization it is left to the user.
anything else means the programmer and the user are the same person.

those who don't want to do the work themselves should read the SERVICE file
and find somebody who can help fix their problems.  for an experienced
Emacs hacker, most customization questions can be answered in seconds.

| "They did it wrong" "You did it wrong" I don't care who did what wrong.
| Obviously neither side WANTS to work with the other because of "You did
| it wrong" "No, you did" and "You insulted me" "You did first".  And this
| is the incredibly stupid reason for two different versions, isn't it ?

no, that is not the reason for the two different versions.

the way that they (XEmacs) did things _after_ they had decided to split
(for entirely different reasons) was sometimes wrong and just plain stupid,
so the split grew in size.  the split didn't _occur_ because of it, a merge
is instead being _blocked_ because of it.

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In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>,
Steve Jones - JON  <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> wrote:

>If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
>College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
>ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
>a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
>they would be wrong as well according to you.

Whatever people who have studied color have to find, *I* too find
colored displays (esp. various colors inside the same text, as in syntax
highliting) more of an annoyance than a help.

>way. I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
>want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.
>Why should the majority be told they are "wrong" because you would
>prefer the old method of interaction.  Do you still use a VT220 ? 

I don't know whether he does, but I know that *I* use Linux consoles in
text mode a lot, and xterms under X quite a lot too, using them as text
consoles.  It's simply a matter of efficiency: moving your hand from the
keyboard to the mouse and back is a waste of time and an annoyance, so
for tasks where this is appropriate (and I'm prefectly willing to admit
that air trafic controlling isn't one) you'll be more productive using a
CLI or some other keyboard-based interface.  Whatever your majority of
users wants, all I'm saying is that this possibility should still exist
in new systems and new software.  After all, on a well designed system,
the two can coexist.

[ stuff about ATCs ]

If I remember right, we were talking about editors to begin with.  Guess
what one of the reasons for me to drop emacs/lemacs was?  Yep, that it
would open its own window and make me move to it (and yes, I did know
about "-nw", but not being particularily interested in programming my
editor in lisp or reading my mail in it, I went for something that loads
quickly and just does its job efficiently: vi/vim).

>We don't protect ignorant users, we allow people to become users without
>the crap.  Why do you need to be able to write a driver for a HD to
>install one, the nightmare that used to exist on lots of platforms is
>slowly disappearing.  

Using the keyboard to control an editor is not akin to writing your own
device drivers in assembler, even if you'd like the former to be as much
'a thing of the past' as the latter.  The difference is that once you've
learned to use your editor this way, you can be *more* productive than
before.

>You can actually do lots of interaction from the Unix Shell to running
>programs. The CM system we use here has a CLI and a GUI interface,
>everything is possible from both sides, UNIX is very powerful from this
>point of view.

Right.

>For those of use who type at
>more than a char per min and will be prone to the odd error that can be
>picked up by syntax highlighting (which is less CPU intensive than
>compiling) it adds quite alot.

You sound like you know what's good for everyone, and that's what I
don't like.  I have no problem with editors offering syntax
highlighting, but I know that *I* find my bugs faster from what the
compiler tells me than by trying to figure out what made my editor
indent the next line weirdly, so *I* pick an editor that doesn't do this
kind of thing.  As long as you don't try to tell everyone that such an
editor is inferior and a thing of the past, I have nothing to complain
about.

>Which is what I want, the right for people not to be limted to the 70s
>and to be able to use the computer without learning bizare languages
>like sed and awk like I had to.

But now there's perl to replace them! :-)

>It is hard to argue against images.  Someone says "I never did it Gov"
>the prosecution shows a picture of him doing it.  Horses for courses,
>why not just admit that there is power in GUIs that pictures do have
>information just from being a picture.

Can't you get it in your head that the two can be appropriate for
different things, *and* that different people can handle one or the
other more easily?   There are things for which images are *the* way,
and there are things for which words are *the* way, and there are thing
for which both can work, and I know that *I* will prefer the words.   If
you'll prefer the pics I'm not going to take them from you, but don't
try to tell me that the pics are universally better.

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It will give you a chance to think a bit before you send it.

> 
> Come on, people... over 40 messages out of total 332 in the
> comp.emacs.xemacs newsgroup. Don't you have anything more interesting
> to do? I'm glad gnus uses scoring:
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> L s e p (lower on subject exactly matching -- permanently)
> 
> Remek
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> this could have been an interesting discussion had it been possible for
> Steven Jones to understand what I'm trying to tell him.
> 
> * Steve Jones
> | Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
> | that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
> | mode of interaction.
> 
> when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?  please try to
> understand that all I'm trying to do is to communicate to you that _not_
> _every_ user agrees with the "majority" view.  incidentally, there never
> was a vote on this, and if there were, you would find that users buy what
> they think is necessary to get the job done, at the lowest cost, and with
> the least relevant blemishes and flaws.  _millions_ of users have accepted
> that they lose work with Microsoft tools.  should we then claim that the
> "majority" is willing to lose their work, so there is no need to improve
> the quality of the products?
> 

People have paid up front my the million for Windows95, I don't think it
is a good product, but it is a better product than 3.1 and a much better
product than DOS.  The interaction in 95 is simpler cleaner and quicker.
The old "Money talks bullshit walks" expression comes to mind. 95 is
still poor in comparison but better than the previous version and the
major + is the new interface.

> however, when you make universal statements like the very next statement:
> 
> | Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats, but colours do help.
> 
> then I must again object.  the question is "_whom_ do colors help?"  for
> what _reason_ do they help?  _colors_, per se, do not help.  colors per se
> are just photons in a different hurry.
> 

They help people who see in colour.  If colours have no information why
are Wasps and Bees the same colour while beetles are black.  Why are
poisoned arrow frogs brightly coloured ?  These things do not have a big
danger sign on them in English, but they do have the colours for
"Danger" all overthem.

If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
they would be wrong as well according to you.


> you don't even seem to _register_ that I don't have a color display to
> begin with, so, no, "the links will be in a different color than the
> surrounding text" is a false assumption on your part.  I seriously wonder
> how, in your world of pointing and colors, the idea of "false assumption"
> could ever be expressed, but you _assume_ that I have colors even though
> I'm actually telling you that in _fact_ I don't.  why?
> 

I've never said you have a colour display.  Although yes I think that is
a bit strange, but each to their own.  I don't claim that every single
person on the planet is the same that all want to use a computer this
way. I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.
Why should the majority be told they are "wrong" because you would
prefer the old method of interaction.  Do you still use a VT220 ? 

> the rest of your message is equally out of touch with what I tried to tell
> you: that _not_every_ user will be a new user who does not understand
> computers (if you're looking for 70's cliche's, you're a master at using
> them -- today's users are far more educated in the workings of a computer
> than they were when this "oh, we must protect the ignorant users" argument
> was at its peak), that _not_every_ computer will be used by people who are
> expected to be unskilled for their job, that _not_every_ programmer has to
> work _only_ with the user interface.  I'm quite certain that your world
> consists only of user interface programmers who deal with stuff where color
> helps, but I'm asking you only one thing: to remember, if not understand,
> that there are uses for computers where colors do _not_ help, where colors
> add to the cognitive load, where lots of gimmickry on the screen _reduce_
> productivity, etc.  if users matter to you, _I_ will matter to you, and _I_
> say, as a long-time computer user, that what you say about all users is
> simply _not_true_ of _all_ users.  if you ignore this fact, as you have
> shown an amazing willingness to do, you are not interested in users, you
> are interested in finding users who agree with you, or can be forced to
> agree with you, and then sell them things.  well, I don't, and I won't,
> 

Prat. No when I say "the majority of users" this does not mean "all
users" when I look into what is required for a specific task for a
certain enviroment I care only about a limited set of users.  To say
that I am not interested in the User is foolish, that is all I give a
shit about.  The interface is there to provide the best representation
to the User of what they need.  There is NO WAY that a modern ATC system
would be conceived of without the use of a complex GUI. This is done to
improve the controllers lot, reduce their work load and to alert them to
problems quicker.  You CANNOT do this as quickly without a GUI.  In fact
without a GUI you can't show a Radar display, with a modern GUI you
don't have to show just dots on the screen you can show more text,
present information and alerts by using colours.


We don't protect ignorant users, we allow people to become users without
the crap.  Why do you need to be able to write a driver for a HD to
install one, the nightmare that used to exist on lots of platforms is
slowly disappearing.  You can use the computer as a tool, just like all
the other tools you use.  Users aren't stupid, in many specialised cases
they know a damned sight more about the task than the people programming
it.  To say that a GUI is provided for an ignorant user is rubbish.
Jobs and Wosniak weren't morons and yet they created a GUI and used a
GUI. The people at MIT are certainly not morons and yet they support and
use X like most of the Universities.  GUIs give more power and more
control to the user.

> you mention CLI's and think DOS or Unix (!) is the best CLI to compare
> against.  it is obviously the best when you wish to let colors and GUIs
> win, which is just what they did in the DOS world: because the DOS CLI is
> so crummy.  Unix came later, not because vendors were slower or it was
> harder to do or anything like that, but because users saw no need for it.

UNIX came after DOS ? Ummm check your history books I think... wasn't
UNIX an early 70s product ?

> if you are honest and actually want a useful comparison, look at TOPS-20's
> command interface.  yes, TOPS-20 is defunct, but you can read about it, and
> the interface lives on in Cisco's routers, in Kermit, in lots of places.
> should a command line interface be able to help the user?  DOS doesn't
> think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND does.
> should a program and the command line interpreter work together?  DOS
> doesn't think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND
> does.  etc.
> 
You can actually do lots of interaction from the Unix Shell to running
programs. The CM system we use here has a CLI and a GUI interface,
everything is possible from both sides, UNIX is very powerful from this
point of view.


> whether you get a menu by typing `?' or clicking on a mouse is irrelevant.
> whether you speak an actual _language_ to the computer _is_ relevant.  I
> want to use a _language_ to talk to the computer, and I want it to be the
> best language that each of us can deal with (i.e., I'm willing to learn
> something new in order to be better at my job, and I don't accept the
> argument that professionals in any discipline should demand _not_ to learn
> to use their tools), such that we achieve maximum information with the
> least amount of effort.
Learning to use a tool and using how the tool works are very different
things. there is no need to learn how a computer works to use an editor.
Your job is computers so you need to learn about them and adapt
(something you don't appear to be doing). A scientist from another area
doesn't need to understand the assmbler a Fortran program will create
when doing his FFTs and these days he won't even need Fortran he buys
his off the shelf package that allows him to do his job better
(something you nor I could do).  Accountants don't need to understand
spreadsheets to use one, but here is a case of a HUGE increase in
performance for a worker who previously spent hours doing the
calculations by hand.  A computer is better at that job than they are,
and providing them with a quicker interface for data entry (a GUI)
simplifies their job further so they can care about other tasks and also
save the company money.

>  GUIs lose _big time_ in this regard, except for
> some specialized environments, where the information has already been
> exchanged, such as in training air traffic controllers.  colors may help in
> reminding people or stirring them into action.  if they were to handle a
> new situation, or get new regulations or whatever, I hope they can still
> get information in a _language_.
> 

RUBBISH.  A live ATC enviroment will use the same colours/interface as
the simulator, thats the point of a trainer, it should be the same as
the real thing. When new regulations came in their would be a change to
the interface and they would be trained up on it.  They would be told of
the new regs and they would probably see this on paper, but operationaly
it means nothing, there is no "Help" button that desribes the current
action in text.

If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in not
CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?


> take syntax highlighting -- it wouldn't help if the user doesn't know the
> language and the meaning of the colors, it confuses users greatly when
> there are mistakes in it, it's very CPU intensive, and it is very wasteful
> for people who don't make syntax mistakes in the first place.  in other
> words, it's a beginner's support tool, and that beginner will probably
> never acquire the proficiency in the language that another beginner would
> that did not have such "crutches" to lean on.  but more beginners who don't
> know what they're doing means more "jobs" and those of us who earn more on
> a two-month project than they do slaving all year round, can reap even
> higher rates when there are fewer "competitors" at our level.

CPU cycles mean less and less each year.  This years machines are the
supercomputers of 10 years ago (almost).  As you appear to be perfect in
never doing a typo or failing to close brackets or missing a trailing
comment in C you don't need these things.  For those of use who type at
more than a char per min and will be prone to the odd error that can be
picked up by syntax highlighting (which is less CPU intensive than
compiling) it adds quite alot.  It is not a beginners tool, it does not
mean the user does not know the language, it is not a "crutch", it is a
tool pure and simple.  Hey so is LISP or C if you don't need tools like
compilers why not just start coding in HEX ? There are alot of people
out there earning quite high rates who use tools to aid them rather than
seeing new developments as "unpure" and against the will of the great
VT220. This is clearly just an attempt to insult my abilities, I have no
worries on that front, you clearly will never be competing in the same
job market as I will, until yours dies that is.

> 
> | This is just an editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and
> | useability is over.  The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like
> | CLIs.
> 
> I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
> _choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
> like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
> _YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
> the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
> against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.
> 
Where did I say I wanted this of you ?  I can say that the majority of
users want colour and want a mouse.  You can stick with todays technoloy
for as long as you want (or until your service agreement gives up) new
interfaces are there as an improvement for the majority.  More money
gets put into research to help the majority and so the developments suit
them.

> wars have _casualties_.  democracy was invented to stop the majority from
> completely destroying the minority.  wars takes the shape of _ethnic
> cleansing_, and you, Steven Jones, want to rid the world of all the users
> who either cannot or will not use your colorful GUIs.  I want the _freedom_
> to choose the interface between me and the program.  you want to deprive me
> of that freedom.  who do you think is waging a war here?
> 

Moron.  My ideal is that everyone should be able to use a computer for
every task that a computer can do, without ever having to pick up a
manual.  A computerised cook-book in the kitchen, a computerised voice
activated lighting system. Computer links for sound and vision to your
friends.  All the libraries of the world at you fingertips.  The Media
YOU want when you want it and how you want it.  More power to the user
not less.  GUIs don't take away power (using Motif/X you can code it to
have a CLI if you so wish) they give more power.  The power user can do
more in a GUI than in a CLI just because it is a GUI.  Do you use X on
your machine or any windowing enviroment ? Is that better than a Vt220 ?

> [..snip..]
>  I want choice.  you want a single way all users should interact

Which is what I want, the right for people not to be limted to the 70s
and to be able to use the computer without learning bizare languages
like sed and awk like I had to.

> with the computer, just like that William H. Gates III fellow.  you can
> keep your colors and GUIs and whatever you want, but you can be dead
> certain that if you wish to exclude people based on handicaps or wish to
> dictate working conditions for your users, you will face very serious
> lawsuits.  if you want to listen to your users, you listen to users who
> have the guts to stand up to "trends" and hyped-up nonsense, not just the
> users who have been beaten to death by your bludgeoning arguments and can
> only wimper about _which_ color they prefer.
> 

Now thats offensive.  We are talking here about the majority of users.
For impaired users the questions are different, for a paraplegic user a
touch screen GUI has helped alot, for the Blind there is research going
on into how to covert flat 2D images into 3D images on the fly.  These
are different issues that need to be addressed as well.  I do not
advocate having a picture only page on the WWW as this does limit the
interaction from people using braille terminals.  These developments
will come, and you can bet money they won't be limited to a CLI.

> but you don't even understand what I'm objecting to, do you, Steven Jones?
> you think I'm objecting to the use of colors in Air Traffic Control, don't
> you?  you don't understand that I'm not working as an Air Traffic
> Controller, but as an author, a programmer, a lecturer, and I find myself
> significantly reduced by so-called "audio-visual aids", not because it is
> not well made when I make them, not because it is not easier to look better
> and more "professional" with it, not because it might well help a student
> or reader or two get the point quicker, but because I spend _five times_ as
> much time preparing material for those "multimedia shows" as I do with a
> blackboard and chalk, and it costs a lot of _real_ money to make them.  on
> top of this, I get through less material in an hour, because people don't
> _understand_ from figures, they have to be guided to understand _both_ the
> figures _and_ what they represent.  _after_ they have understood, a figure
> can indeed be benefitial, but _before_ they know what to understand, a
> figure is no of value whatsoever.  it can be pretty, it can be redrawn a
> lot easier by somebody who does _not_ understand, but understanding does
> not come from figures.
> 

Whereas I working as a Software engineer find the opposite.  My Father
who lectures in Computing finds the opposite, people who give
presentations as a living find the opposite.  I can knock up a
presentation at the same pace I can write it, you appear to be using the
wrong tool, or maybe in the wrong way.


> it's harder to argue against a figure than a real argument.  it's harder to
> argue against a color than what it represents.  for people who wish to
> manipulate people, colors and figures are _the_ choice.  for people who
> wish to understand and study, _language_ is the choice.
> 

It is hard to argue against images.  Someone says "I never did it Gov"
the prosecution shows a picture of him doing it.  Horses for courses,
why not just admit that there is power in GUIs that pictures do have
information just from being a picture.

> [.. examples of GUI v not ..]
> 

Yes and on the other hand .... we can all come up with these sort of
examples, and the user who clicked on lots of buttons to do a simple
task was using a bad interface.  This is not because it was a GUI this
is because it was bad.  The one thing about GUIs that is truly awful is
that people code for them that do not understand the biology and
psychology behind them the "I like it that way" crew are the problem not
the GUI.  The GUI gives them too much power, with a CLI they wouldn't
have this power.  This can then be moved to the User, a well defined
system will allow the user to all that they did do and more, where
before something was mapped to F7 it should still be possible to do it
in F7 but it should also be possible to drag a selected region and drop
it straight to the printer.

There are more tools these days and until programmers realise that they
can't just "do it my way" any more there will be problems.  On the
bright side this is beginning to happen,  research is going on into what
is good and what is bad.  For the poweruser you should be able to change
everything, for the novice give them the best default.

> I note in passing that you make a tremendous number of simple errors in
> your writing.  "your" instead of "you're", etc.  English is not my native
> language, but "Steven Jones" sounds English-like, even though you're in
> France.  I find it alarming that language skills are dropping so fast among
> users of graphic user interfaces, and I'm wary of programmers who make a
> lot of mistakes of the "lack of precision" kind in their other dealings.

Nice snipe :-) Yes my written english is awful, my writing is worse, of
course you don't have dyslexia do you ? I have never created a problem
that took more than a day to fix, how many others can say the same ?

Steve Jones

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Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:

> Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> > I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
> > been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
> > a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
> > up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
> > after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
> > to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
> > bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
> > discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
> > new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
> > can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
> > German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate
> moron.
[...]


> I don't want point and click to be the only interaction with the
> computer.  But I would prefer to be able to click on a connection to a
> friend if they are at their machine and talk to them (using a colour
> camera) than to type.

Even more important:  if Erik would have been *prohibited* using hands
and feet and pointing in his interactions with the French, it would
have been much harder for him to learn French.  Pointing might be a
primitive mechanism not to be preferred to verbal use, but it is
immensively helpful for *learning* more advanced forms of
communication.  A user having pull-down menus with annotated key
bindings will learn to use the proper key sequences to use for typical
tasks much *faster* than a user having only a reference manual.  In
addition, the user might learn about commands he did not know before.

This is not about user interface efficiency, it is about *learning*
efficiency.  Even if one would agree with Erik that the learned user
would not need any menus and other bric-a-brac a modern user interface
offers to the incredibly stupid and arrogant and whatever not XEmacs
users and other lower life forms, one should try to offer the utmost
possibilities of learning to leave that state of superhumanness.

Pointing devices, menus, click interfaces, visual aids and color to
point out important things to people not yet knowing where to look for
importancies help to sooner leave this state of desolation where the
user gets into panick even for the sort of helpful things that happen
if you type several backspaces.

-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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In article <kighgmxp9ol.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>  (ozgurluk@xs4all.nl) wrote:
> > Hello,
> > What wrong here?
> > As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
> > whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
> > debugmessage:
> > -8<-----
> > Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
> >   mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
> (mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> For me it evaluates to
> (nil "tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> -- 

I am running Gnus version 5.2.40
when I try to evaluate the
mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl") (I have corrected my
hosts file) I get:
"Symbol's value as variable is void: mail-extract-address-components"

When I try to evaluate the entire buffer I get: 

"Symbol's value as variable is void: Signalling"

Where should I look to solve this problem.

I use the gnus-setup.el with mime

Hasta!
T.


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Subject: Re: global-set-key in .emacs
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 15:29 11/11/96 GMT, you wrote:
>i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
>things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
>
>(global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
>(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
>(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
>
>this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
>with xemacs,  any ideas?

Try kp_multiply etc instead of kp-multiply


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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: bug "Options=>Printing Options=>Command Line Switches"

i tried to use the above menubar entry, and an error was raised

here it is, adjusted to 80cols, the *Backtrace* buffer:

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  read-from-minibuffer("Switches for `lpr'/`lp': "
   ("-draw") #<keymap minibuffer-local-map 14 entries 0x4b8> nil nil)
  read-string("Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " ("-draw"))
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    (read-string "Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " lpr-switches)))
  eval((setq lpr-switches 
    (read-string "Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " lpr-switches)))

but, lpr-switches is a list of strings, while the doc string for
read-string has:

read-string: (prompt &optional initial-contents history)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
Return a string from the minibuffer, prompting with string PROMPT.
If non-nil, optional second arg INITIAL-CONTENTS is a string to insert
in the minibuffer before reading.
Third arg HISTORY, if non-nil, specifies a history list.

regards
                                                                gb

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From: cyuen@netcom.com (craig yuen)
Subject: global-set-key in .emacs
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i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:

(global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)

this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
with xemacs,  any ideas?

thanks in advance

craig
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craig yuen writes:
 > i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
 > things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
 > 
 > (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
 > (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
 > (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
 > 
 > this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
 > with xemacs,  any ideas?
 > 

I have things like:

       (global-set-key '(kp_enter) 'call-last-kbd-macro)

in my .emacs, which works with XEmacs.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
 EN> _choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast
 EN> screen like a black-and-white screen.

XEmacs works without a mouse, it works from a command line (assuming M-x
counts as one :-), and it works fine on black & white screens.

It even does bold/inverse/underline on TTYs, which (IIRC) Emacs 19.34 does
not yet do.

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BR> == Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu>

 BR> Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
 BR> pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for.

In-line MIME display is my favorite application for XEmacs's image
support.  emacs-w3 is another application that makes use of it.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
 EN> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
 EN> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
 EN> -p convention for a _variable_?)

I don't know who put it in originally, but etc/NEWS does note that it's a
feature that was added in Lucid Emacs 19.9.  19.9 is *very* old, though
(unfortunately) there's no really good way to calibrate the date; it's of
roughly the vintage of VM 5.40 (also included in that release), though.

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David Hughes (dhughes@origin-at.co.uk) wrote:
: At 15:29 11/11/96 GMT, you wrote:
: >i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
: >things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
: >
: >(global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
: >(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
: >(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
: >
: >this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
: >with xemacs,  any ideas?

: Try kp_multiply etc instead of kp-multiply

worked great, thanks very much

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* Holger Schauer
| Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer you the possibilities I like
| (!) to have in XEmacs (and please, Erik don't answer: do it for Emacs
| again - I have to get MY work done, not yours. That's why I use XEmacs,
| not Gnu Emacs).

"MY work" vs "your work"?

Emacs and free software in general were supposed to help people work in a
community, where each programmer could create software for himself as well
as others who would like to use it, and they should not have to do the same
work all over again.  when you try to make this "my work" vs "your work",
you have pin-pointed the problem that I suggest in the XEmacs camp: that of
conflict, competition, reinvention, and reimplementation, the very
antitheses of free software and cooperation to solve common problems.

| You don't have to understand how an engine works in order to drive your
| car (though it can be of help certainly).

sigh.  this is _such_ a bogus argument.  I wonder what marketing genius
invented it, and for what purpose.  "you don't have to understand how
thermodynamics works in order to dress for the cold."

if you can't drive a car, you're scheduled for heavy fines or jail time if
you try it in regular traffic, even if you don't hurt anybody.  if you
can't fix a modern, high-end car's internal computer systems, you're in
good company.  somewhere between these two extremes, the need to understand
your equipment takes second place to just driving the damn thing.  however,
the need to understand things is stays with you for a very long time.

it is not a sign of professionalism to blame one's tools, but it is even
worse not to know them to the degree where they can be used appropriately.
if you want quality in your work, you learn to use your tools well.  there
simply is no other way.

if you are a _consumer_ (you know, the kind of people mass marketing
supposedly works on), there is perhaps legitimacy in the claims about "ease
of use" and such.  if you are a professional user, there isn't.  just like
programming is hard so using the program can be simpler and safer, a
professional user necessarily has to do a lot of uncomfortable work to get
quality results.  now, it should be reasonably comfortable, but you can't
make an omelet without breaking eggs, and you can't produce sleek cars in
open fields, surrounded by dancing young girls and a lovely little brook --
you need a dirty, noisy, dangerous and restricted environment that is
conducive to efficiently producing cars that are clean, silent, and safe,
suitable to the kind of marketing that includes open fields, dancing young
girls and a lovely little brook.  it shouldn't be needlessly had, but if
you believe the marketing that is aimed at consumers, and you're a producer
(of anything), you have been _duped_, big time.

know why I hate marketing (and marketing people)?  they instill people with
hopes so high and images to beautiful that there is nothing but cynicism
and disillusionment left after they have done their job (i.e., enough
people bought the product).  in our marketing economy, it is impossible to
sell a solution to a problem without overstating a hundred times how good
it's going to feel, and without associating some trivial thing like shampoo
with the kind of hair you will never even lay your eyes on.  it wasn't the
government that created Newspeak, it was the marketing departments.  it is
not a solution to tell people to divide by a hundred to get to the real
message -- it's precisely that which is the problem.

| So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like pictures,
| colors, anything else which people like to use to get THEIR work done,
| don't use them.  But stop hindering people from using them (not to
| mention insulting).

do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious marketing
campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual people" should be
allowed to use modern computers.  don't you even see the difference?

and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?  this is
the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_ who don't even try
to read what they're commenting on.

#\Erik
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>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

 Rick> Naggum sez:
 >> a word says more than a thousand images.

 Rick> Indeed. This contradiction of a what most people take as a
 Rick> truism nicely sums up your philosophical position. All kinds of

For some, a word says more than an icon ...
... but for most, an icon is easier to sell !

L.D.


 Rick> things follow from this.  DOS is better than Windows, emacs is
 Rick> better than Xemacs, ... Fine. I can except that you have this
 Rick> point of view and won't endeavour to change it. But keep in
 Rick> mind that most people _have_ gone over to using
 Rick> GUIs. Therefore, your position that GUI designers are foisting
 Rick> this on a public that doesn't need it (if only everyone would
 Rick> learn how to communicate with their computers in text) is the
 Rick> arrogant and intolerant position. Not the other way around.

 Rick> Just a casual observation: Those people using the strongest
 Rick> language are the intolerant ones. Check back on this thread and
 Rick> see which side is using the strongest language.  -- rick
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Erik Naggum writes:

[ SNIP ]

 |do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious marketing
 |campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual people" should be
 |allowed to use modern computers.  don't you even see the difference?
 |
 |and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?  this is
 |the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_ who don't even try
 |to read what they're commenting on.

so Erik, tell me about your Mother

--Brian M.

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I'm trying to configure cadence software to use xemacs as my Skill
editor. I need to know where I can find information on gnuclient or
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Where is documentation for gnuclient and/or gnudoit?

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| --Brian M.

thank you for being an XEmacs user.

#\Erik

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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

Martin> As one of the XEmacs developers, I'd like to respond to some of Erik's
Martin> claims:

[...]

Sorry, guy.  I suspect that Erik doesn't read comp.emacs.xemacs -- just
comp.emacs...

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>>>>> "craig" == craig yuen <cyuen@netcom.com> writes:

craig> i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
craig> things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:

craig> (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
craig> (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
craig> (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)

craig> this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
craig> with xemacs,  any ideas?

(global-set-key [kp_multiply] 'undo)
(global-set-key [kp_add] 'kill-ring-save)
(global-set-key [kp_subtract] 'kill-region)

:-(

Yes, this is braindamaged, yes it will be fixed for XEmacs 19.15.
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[This answer is appropriate to both groups]

>>>>> "Holger" == Holger Bauer <bauer@itsma0.itsm.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

Holger> Hi,
Holger> I use the following for our site-start.el file:

Holger> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'turn-on-font-lock)

This line is causing your problems.  It's not exactly a good thing to
do.

Holger> (setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
Holger> (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)

Holger> While visiting a TAGS file (where there is really nothing to
Holger> fontify) emacs tries to fontify the TAGS file and sits there
Holger> doing it for quite a while (since this is a large Fortran
Holger> project). My collegues are quite unhappy with this ``feature''
Holger> since their job performance get decreased for just fontifying
Holger> nonsense.

The problem is the addition of turn-on-font-lock to find-file-hooks,
XEmacs is doing exactly what you asked it to do.  By requiring
the font-lock package the function font-lock-set-defaults already gets
added to find-file-hooks and it will turn on font-lock if
appropriate.  So, for XEmacs do not do that and you will be O.K.
GNU Emacs 19.34 has a similar facility called
turn-on-font-lock-if-enabled.

Holger> How can I specifically turn of lazy-lock-mode and
Holger> font-lock-mode for TAGS files ????

Change the hook so that it avoids turning on font-lock if the buffer
is in Fundamental mode is one possible fix.

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks
	  #'(lambda ()
	      (cond
	       ((eq major-mode 'fundamental-mode) nil)
	       (t (turn-on-font-lock)))))

[Tested against XEmacs 19.15 and GNU Emacs 19.34]
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* Steve Jones
| If colours have no information why are Wasps and Bees the same colour
| while beetles are black.  Why are poisoned arrow frogs brightly coloured
| ?  These things do not have a big danger sign on them in English, but
| they do have the colours for "Danger" all overthem.

I can only ask you to please observe that you are taking naturally occuring
things, properties, objects, etc, and transferring any conclusions you make
about them to images and abstract notions on a computer screen.  it is not
enough that you show that color is useful for animals (!), or that people
point at physical objects.  you must show that the transfer of these
qualities to the representational domain is valid.  we may well point when
we speak.  from there to moving a "mouse" in order to move a pointer on a
screen, in order to point, is a non-trivial transfer.  it needs to be
proved that this transfer is not distorted by other factors.  no such proof
has been forthcoming from you, only more examples whose validity has
already been challenged.  you don't pay very much attention, do you?

| Nice snipe :-) Yes my written english is awful, my writing is worse, of
| course you don't have dyslexia do you ? I have never created a problem
| that took more than a day to fix, how many others can say the same ?

wow, the dyslexia argument!  what an utterly _pathetic_ excuse!  "I'm
sorry, sir, I can't write well because my eyesight is such that I can't
actually see the screen two feet in front of me."  (that's true of my
eyesight, actually.)  I was diagnosed with mild dyslexia when I was a kid.
I worked _very_hard_ to get rid of it.  today, I write nearly flawlessly in
two different languages, and well enough to draw compliments from literate
natives in another.  there is mounting evidence to suggest that dyslexia is
mainly a consequence of the way written language is taught in our schools.
all evidence suggests that it can be cured.

in fact, the reason researchers now believe dyslexia occurs mainly in boys
is that the way we teach writing, letter by letter, creates a barrier to
the "whole word" approach that children normally would make on their own if
it were not for the fact that some anal-retentive school teachers insist
upon the letters.  teaching meaning instead of spelling, building
associations between the word and the meaning, instead of between the word
and its spelling, reinforces the fact that "your" and "you're" are
different _concepts_.  the "whole word" approach tries to work in terms of
_images_ of the word, instead of images of their components.

(lack of conceptual thinking _skills_ is a growing problem, but there is an
_inverse_ correlation between dyslexia and conceptual thinking skills, e.g,
the average IQ for dyslexics is well above the average of the population,
and math skills and programming skills are generally dependent on the same
factors that give rise to high IQ scores.)

#\Erik
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From: Graham Todd <free@anti.com>
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Subject: Latest Lisp Packages: Where?
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Hello all,

After searches of various ftp directories 
I still can't locate a couple of lisp 
packages that I want to update.  Specifically
the latest versions of w3 and pop3.  

The "Welcome to Gnuscape" home page mentions
version 3.0 of w3 but only has links to
version 2.* packages.  Is 3.0 beta and thus not
widely available?

I couldn't get vm-pop.el to work properly
so I dumped it upon hearing of pop3.el  ... but where is it?
Is pop3.el a 'project' for 19.15 or is it a working package?

Thanks,

-- 
Graham Todd    http://www.yorku.ca/academics/gtodd                         
York University, Toronto ON Canada              

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Bill Welch <welch@bear.com> writes:
> 
> I <gtodd@yorku.ca> wrote:
> 
> > C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
> > then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  
> 
> When I try this in 19.14, I get
> "no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"
> 
> buffer-history is nil.
> 
> It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?
> 
> Bill.

Isn't emacs wonderful!?
I just noticed that I wasn't able to do this in certain modes but I 
can in others. I'm not clear on why this is the case.  
A buffer history of one is always there and seems to be enabled by 
default in certain major modes (with text/HTML files I'm editing
I am able to do this -  but not in VM or GNUS)
putting setq buffer-history t  in my .emacs gives
messages like:  "history not recorded in this context".
Oh well C-x C-b (brings up buffer list) then C-x o (switches to
other buffer) puts point/cursor in the buffer list 
where you can then scroll to the buffer you want
and  press return.  Is suppose one could always bind this 
to a key or something ....  ;^)

-- 
Graham Todd    http://www.yorku.ca/academics/gtodd                         
York University, Toronto ON Canada              


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>I can only ask you to please observe that you are taking naturally occuring
>things, properties, objects, etc, and transferring any conclusions you make
>about them to images and abstract notions on a computer screen.  it is not
>enough that you show that color is useful for animals (!), or that people
>point at physical objects.

I would think such things are obvious.  I'm not talking 64K of color,
but even 3 colors, black, white, and red, is a major advance.
Even crusty old MVS made use of colors for decades.

For instance, you scroll through a list of computer events, yawn yawn,
they all look alike, except for different machine names and so forth,
then one jumps out at you in RED, and you *notice* it.  this is a highly
appropriate use of color.

In a compiler, if you have colors for various syntactical units,
you can see immediately if you've forgotten to close a comment, and
can see in short order which comment it is.

In short, colors give quick and easy to use information.  You can
get the same information through black and white text only, but it's
not as quick since you have to read it.  The keyword is "quick".

Such things are important, even if you don't wish to use them
personally.  Which is all this is, a silly "I don't us colors, so
support for colors is wasted" argument.

Similar arguments for the mouse, although in this case I see too much
tendency to mouse-only interfaces to the exclusion of all else (you
couldn't have a color-only interface :-).  Heck, big red buttons are
nice and convenient, but you can't build your entire interface from
big red buttons.

-- 
Darin Johnson
darin@connectnet.com




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Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu> writes:

> RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage that XEmacs had
> over Emacs was variable width fonts, which BTW you can use for menus:

> ! Lucid X toolkit options for Emacs 19.30+

> Emacs.pane.menubar.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1
> Emacs.shell.menu*.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1

> Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
> pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for. 

Frankly, I don't use embedded images much - but I like having them.
It allows me to stay within my favorite editor _and_ have a nice MIME
mail reader with inline images.

> I'm no expert on XEmacs, but I do prefer the Emacs mouse interface.
> For reasons of Motif compliance, XEmacs has much less functionality.

dunno what the differences in the mouse interfaces are.  I like the
pop-up menus on the third mouse button, leaving the first for
selection, and the second for "action" (URL's etc.).  I don't like the
recent change in XEmacs to put too many menu's in the status lines.

The features in XEmacs that I need, that I don't believe are in Emacs:

  * The ability to open frames on multiple X servers and tty's at the
  same time - I leave Xemacs running, go to school and open a new frame
  to the display at school.  Sometimes I telnet in and open a new frame
  to the tty.  (Maybe GNU Emacs has this now, I don't know.)

  * Proportional fonts and variable height fonts - I have a .el file
  that makes editing TeX with math in it a lot nicer (the symbols
  actually show up in the buffer.

  * Inline images - I rarely use this, but as I mentioned above, it's
  nice to have available.

Things that I don't like:

  * "active-regions" turned on by default (easy to shut off).
  * size (of course)

Things that I want, that neither Emacs nor XEmacs have:

  * multithreaded operation - dunno about Emacs, but for XEmacs, it
  will be a very long time before they have it, if ever.

My prinicpal applications are editing math-laden TeX documents and
reading mail and news with GNUS.  I leave a copy constantly running on
my home machine and connect to it remotely.

Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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Repost: Original follows-

Problem:

1. Fired up XEmacs-19.14 on tty.

2. Tried to modify a file (junk) also being accessed and "locked" by
Xemacs process from another terminal (ss10) resulting in mini-buffer
message:

	gabor locking /us/gabor/junk: action (s,q,p,?)?

The cursor remained in text window.

3. Any key I hit (s,p,?) results in following message:

	Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, (meta h)

Therefore I am unable to (steal) modify a "locked" file accessed from
a tty.

Env: Xemacs-19.14, sol2.5, ss10, vt220 emulation.

Is this a bug?  Is there a fix?

Andy
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Roger Llima wrote:

> Whatever people who have studied color have to find, *I* too find
> colored displays (esp. various colors inside the same text, as in syntax
> highliting) more of an annoyance than a help.

>From the Jargon file:

:angry fruit salad: n. A bad visual-interface design that uses too   
   many colors.  (This term derives, of course, from the bizarre
   day-glo colors found in canned fruit salad.)  Too often one sees
   similar effects from interface designers using color window systems
   such as X; there is a tendency to create displays that are  
   flashy and attention-getting but uncomfortable for long-term
   use.

A friend of mine, an acomplished C programmer, uses Xemacs with syntax
highlighting.  Whenever I stop by his office to check out a peice of
code he's working on I say something like "Mmmm, fruity."  This seems
to annoy him.  He's pretty much a color freak, his X environment,
which he is constantly dinking with, is 16bpp for a reason -- he uses
most of them.  I don't know if this makes him more productive, but it
does seem to make him happy.


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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > 	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
> > have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?
> 
> No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
> mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).

Uhm... true in spirit, but there is some implementation differences
and some things that you have to do differently.  The main place
you'll notice a difference is in when coding Elisp packages.  They are
extremely similar but they do have a few minor differences.  As a
normal user you probably won't notice a whole lot of difference
"finger-feel" wise.  Gnu Emacs is faster, XEmacs has a more elaborate
X display mechanism, but they're both pretty much the same thing and
rwars over which to use are pretty stupid considering how alike they
really are.  Use the one you like best.

-- Gary F.

-- 
"Bones heal, chicks dig scars, and the U.S. has the highest doctor to
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I wish to unsubscribe to this list.  I've sent every possible form of
unsubscribe message to xemacs-request@xemacs.org that I can think of, to no
avail.  Neither Steve Baur nor Chuck Thompson have been able to help me.
 Please, I would dearly like to unsubscribe from this list, so any help that
anyone could give me would be greatly appreciated!  And I did save the
instructions when I joined the list but they got lost in a disk error.

Thankyou,

Joel A. Shapiro
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Hello all, 

Does someone know how can i print my *HIGHLITED* text as a color ps ?

There is a similar question in the FAQ, but the solution given prints only
B/W ps.

Tnx,  


Paycher Alon
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 (tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl) wrote:
> In article <kighgmxp9ol.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
> > (mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")
> I am running Gnus version 5.2.40
> when I try to evaluate the
> mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl") (I have corrected my
> hosts file) I get:
> "Symbol's value as variable is void: mail-extract-address-components"

*No*!  Try to evaluate
(mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")

With that syntax exactly!

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic
> | It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
> | XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
> | do their best to implement them compatibly.
> so you assume guilt on your opponent's part because you think he neglects
> out of ill will to do something you _have_ to do because _you_ decided to
> split out to begin with?  such is not justice.

You are putting words in my mouth, Erik, and that is not nice.

1) GNU Emacs developers are *not* my opponents.
2) *I* didn't decide to split out -- I wasn't using Emacs at the time
   -- I wish you quit alluding to some things of the past.  These things
   are now as irrelevant as anti-RMS arguments regarding ange-ftp, and
    similar.

I was talking about duplicating features in an incompatible way.  I
didn't say it was intentional, or out of ill will.  If you press me, I
can explain it as lack of interest.  Lack of interest in these matters
may be defendable, but I don't consider it as a sign of good will,
either.  I hope things will move into a different direction soon.

> little value if the first question is not asked, namely "how do you know it
> was intentional?".  remember, XEmacs ceased to _exist_ as an input source
> after what the XEmacs folks did to some Emacs folks.  you complain about it

*What* did they do?  Really, I don't know.  Go ahead, tell me.  For
some time I've been looking for information, and noone has told me.

> when it suits you and ignore the fact when that suits you.  do you know why
> I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when

I have no blooming idea why you distrus XEmacs users or developer, and
I am not particularly interested.

> | teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
> | date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.
> you mean, like, there _are_ no ChangeLogs in XEmacs?  why can't you _know_
> the _exact_ date it was added, like I can by reading the Emacs ChangeLogs?
> I found it incongruous that XEmacs came without ChangeLogs.  I'm inclined
> to think that this is because they wish to hide information.

All of which has nothing to do with what I was saying -- GNU Emacs did
implement an existing XEmacs feature incompatibly.

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Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> > > Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> > > is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> > > 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> > > does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
> > Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
> > version?
> Of ncurses?

Of XEmacs.

> The problem is that XEmacs tries to do both bold and underline in
> some places (info for example).  Underline is not a real underline,
> but a colour combination.  So is bold.  Just happens that bold +
> underline gives white on white background i.e. nothing shows.

Hmm, you can try playing with edit-faces.  I don't know if there is a
"real" fix for this.

> Is there a switch to get XEmacs in terminal mode to do just text,
> i.e. no bold, no underline, no colour, no reverse video?

Again, you can fiddle with faces, like (copy-face 'default 'bold) and
so on.

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Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
> Where can I download these emacs and/or xemacs software?

Sources for the latest version of XEmacs can be found at
<URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/xemacs-19.14.tar.gz>

or a mirror site.

Sources for the latest version of GNU Emacs can be found at
<URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-19.34b.tar.gz>

or at a GNU mirror.

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PLEASE, somebody take pity on me and remove me from the XEmacs mailing list.
 All attempts to remove myself via unsubscribe requests to
xemacs-request@xemacs.org have failed.  I had the instructions mailed to me
when I joined the list, but they were lost in a disk error.  If somebody has
these instructions, please mail them to me.  Otherwise, Chuck, Steve or Ben,
please take pity on me and remove me from the xemacs mailing list.  The "holy
war" being waged on the "XEmacs vs Emacs" issue is driving me insane!

Thanks,

Joel.

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  Joel A. Shapiro                                          |>          |>
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From: Martin Steffen <mnsteffe@faui70c.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
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Subject: Problems in Installing xemacs-19.14 @ Solaris 2.5
Date: 12 Nov 1996 08:17:35 +0100
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Hi.

I got a problem with xemacs-19.14 on Solaris.2.5. Upon configuration and
typing make, it seemingly compiles fine until the very end and when it
comes to dumping the result, it sais:
	

	[......]
	Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635676 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12621   100968  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7674   205348  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
	[..........]
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
	fatal: relocation error: 
	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
	`/net/xxxxxx/local/quellen/xemacs-19.14/src'



Has anybody encountered this problem and knows how to approach it?


Thanks,
	Martin

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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Steve Jones
> | Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
> | that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
> | mode of interaction.
> 
> when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?

Nobody said that.  It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with colour
support in a way as to display no graphic menus and icons, and no
colours.  So an Emacs including these features can be configured to
act so that *all* are satisfied with the behaviour it shows for each
of them.  An Emacs without this support can't.

When did you receive the right to speak for all?

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
To: mikeh@eidolon.speakeasy.org (Mike Hamrick)
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Subject: Re: Angry Fruit Salad (was Re:Emacs inferior to XEmacs)

Mike,

I agree that over use of colours becomes detrimental.  There
is good research evidence to support this theory.  I think
that the modeline in XEmacs 19.14 is an example of over use
of colour.

There is a difference between using, say, 5 colours for
syntax highlighting and using a 16bpp display so that all colour
pixmaps get displayed without dithering.  It is perfectly valid
to allow pixmaps to use 16, 32 or more colours so that they =
can be really effective icons.  You often find that many of the =
colours are in fact different shades of gray because the icons
have been dithered to make them look less chunky.  =

The term 'angry fruit salad' refers directly to the mix of
bright colours which do not mix well in the same image.  An
angry fruit salad in font-locking might be the use of several
high-contrast primary colours for different keywords.

On the other hand, the use of 'blue3' for types and variables,
'dark red' for keywords and 'red' for commoents means that all
code text is of a similar intensity.  Artifacts of the code
are still highlighted but not in a high contrast.  Commments, =
however, are shown in quite a different intensity.  This =
clearly indicates the transition between code and comments and,
in my opinion, gives the comments and code more clarity.

--
Donald Hunter.

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Gnudoit & gnuclient ???
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:51:04 -0800
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Michael Tennes wrote:
> 
> Where is documentation for gnuclient and/or gnudoit?

Try 

man gnudoit/gnuclient

-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:

> adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:
> 
> > Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
> > 
> > I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
> > at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
> > more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.
> 
> We have lots of problems with this on our HPs (10.10 and 10.01). Other
> posters have reported problems on Suns. One has noted that it looks as
> though the problem may be redisplay running to completion rather than
> stopping when new input is available.

     There is an XEmacs 19.14 bug where, under HP-UX (and other
platforms???), SIGIO does not work (new input is ignored until redisplay
ends).  I've appended a patch that includes fixes for this.  This may
fix the "slowdown" problem you're seeing.  *HOWEVER*, I was a bit sloppy
in fixing the SIGIO bug, and I may have broken the code for non-HP
platforms.  I don't know, though.

     I've given these patches to someone who said he'd clean it up and
forward it on the XEmacs folks, but I don't know if this happened.

     Items changed/fixed in this patch:

* SIGIO (fix for slow keys) should now work under HP-UX 9.X and 10.X.

* Fixed core dump that occurred if you passed bad parameters to the HP
  sound routines.

* S300 changes: XEmacs should now compile under S300s, and, in addition,
  it should now be possible to debug a dumped S300 XEmacs binary.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

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fi
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From: Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se
Subject: Post followup and mail reply in gnus?
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
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Organization: Department of Solid Mechanics, Lund University
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Hi.

I have a simple question which I can't figure out myself (I have tried
info and FAQ).

Is there a way to post a followup and mail a reply at the same time. I
can only find post followup and mail reply as separate commands. I'm
sure I'm missing something obvious, because I can't imagine that a
newsreader like gnus wouldn't have a function for this.

One ore question as I'm at it. Can I get different highlighting in the
summary buffer for messages with different score, now I get boldface
if >0 and italic if <0. Maybe you could even include a nice example of
highlighting :-).

If it's possible please mail a copy to me as well as posting in the
group :-).

Thanks
Anders
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Subject: Re: Post followup and mail reply in gnus?
Date: 12 Nov 1996 11:33:28 +0100
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Anders Magnusson (Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se) wrote:
> Is there a way to post a followup and mail a reply at the same time. I
> can only find post followup and mail reply as separate commands. I'm
> sure I'm missing something obvious, because I can't imagine that a
> newsreader like gnus wouldn't have a function for this.

Press `F' to followup, and once in message buffer, press `C-c C-t'.  A
`To' header with the correct address will be added automatically.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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* David Kastrup
| When did you receive the right to speak for all?

*sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!  I'm
objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.  there's a sizable
minority who do not prefer the "modern" user interfaces, but who are being
neglected because obnoxious GUI fanatics such as Steven Jones can't handle
the fact that people are not _identical_ and _must_ deal with things in
_exactly_ the same way, which would have made it possible to make user
interfaces for the "model A human", instead of letting individual users
choose their interface.  I don't speak for the minority, either.  _I only
represent the fact that they exist.  OK?

well, I _implicitly_ speak for all humans when I say: "hold it!  we're all
unique!  you can't speak about universal preferences."  if you object to
this, it's like the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Brian
shouts "you're all unique!" and someone shouts "I'm not!".

as I have said numerous times already, I want programs to be written such
that they speak a reasonably complete _language_ that other programs can
talk, and then there's a program that talks to the user and handles the
user interface aspects.  this is in contrast to the user interfaces that
permeate every aspect of a program, as is often the case in "modern"
software.  then _more_ people could be productive with their computers,
instead of unproductive with somebody else's idea of what should have made
them productive.

when _did_ you think I was speaking for all, David?

#\Erik
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From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: condition-case works abnormally
Date: 06 Nov 1996 22:05:51 +0000
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* Jari Aalto wrote:
> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
> 	By following your example from lispref.info-8
> 	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

>      (condition-case nil
>          (delete-file filename)
>        (error nil))

> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.

> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

Well from the documentation of debug-on-signal it's clear that it's
meant for just this purpose -- trapping errors that otherwise would
have been caught by condition-case.  If you want condition-case to
continue to work you should use debug-on-error instead.

--tim


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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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>>>>> Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>:

> This is a world conspiracy against you personally is it ?  Find a
> secretary, tell her she has to use an old Typewritter again, that
> she can't use Word any more because you say so.

As a side note: most use of Word in "office automation" today, seems
to be emulating use of a typewriter.  Ie. people have _one_ letter
document, _one_ memo document, and what have you.

New letters are written by editing this document (replacing addresses
and body text).  What's kept of this new letter, is the copy on dead
trees (and the old version that Word seems to keep indefinitely, and
has been mentioned on RISKS as a potential source of information
leakage). 

With this in mind, I don't really envision that returning to
typewriters would be such a dramatic step.


- Steinar

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I have moved from the OS2 world to unix. I have tried to use vi for
several months, but I just don't like it. I am looking at xemacs now,
but am not pleased with the complex key combinations. What I really want
is to configure it to use the keystrokes I was used to in epm. Does
anyone know if someone has already done these key mappings? I looked in
several FAQs with little success.

If you can point me in a good direction, please email me at the address
below. Thanks!

-- 
Paul Price
Email: pprice@cnd.hp.com

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Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
constructive line of discussion . . .


-- 
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  Joel A. Shapiro                                          |>          |>
  Research Assistant, CASTLE Lab                           |           |
  Dept. of Civil Eng'g & Operations Research            '-_-_-'     '-_-_-'
  Princeton University                                  |_____|     |_____|
  Princeton, NJ  08544  USA                              \   /       \   /
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  Computational And Stochastic Transportation            |_____|||||_____|
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bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Some Smart Guy

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> 
> Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
> childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to 
have
> themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
> constructive line of discussion . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Joel A. Shapiro 

How right you are. Asking about the respective merits of Emacs and Xemacs
is like throwing one banana into a bunch of monkeys to watch them fight
over it. You guys are sucking up more bandwidth than a bunch of puerile
PC weenies pulling cool graphics from the Web.  Most of us just do not
care and do not want to listen any more. Take it off line. (please)

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I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file. 
I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

Thanks,

ray@fred.net

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Hi

	What Joel writes is completely true and I request people on this 
mailing list to voice their concern so that Erik et' al atleast realize 
that what they are doing is not the right thing to do.

	If they have to be rude they can write mails to each other rather 
than mailing !!! SHIT !!! on this mailing list.

--Saifi

------>>>
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Joel Shapiro wrote:

> 
> Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
> childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
> themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
> constructive line of discussion . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Joel A. Shapiro                                          |>          |>
>   Research Assistant, CASTLE Lab                           |           |
>   Dept. of Civil Eng'g & Operations Research            '-_-_-'     '-_-_-'
>   Princeton University                                  |_____|     |_____|
>   Princeton, NJ  08544  USA                              \   /       \   /
>   Phone:   (609) 258-3839                                |---|       |---|
>   Fax:     (609) 258-1270                                | + |_-_-_-_| + |
>   E-mail:  joel@dragon.princeton.edu                     |   =       =   |
>   WWW:     http://dragon.princeton.edu                   |=    +++++    =|
>   Computational And Stochastic Transportation            |_____|||||_____|
>   Logistics Engineering Laboratory                      | _____|||||_____ |
> 
> "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
> bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Some Smart Guy
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

=====================================================================



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From: Tychon Emmanuel <manu@netline.be>
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Hello Everybody!

When I use C, Pascal, LISP,.. with Emacs, it will indent lines of codes.
Better, it will change color on certain key-words (such as C's
printf),... and so on.

BUT, when i edit Java source code, it doesen't make anything. No
indentation, no colors. So it's not so happy...

---> Does anyone has these magic files?? <----

[For user wich does not have colors, here is the HiLit files used here.
It works fine!]


-- 

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;ELC=13=00=00=00
;;; compiled by vecoven@micro6.montefiore.ulg.ac.be on Wed Aug 30 11:08:2=
0 1995
;;; from file /so5/emacs-19.28/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/hilit19.el
;;; emacs version 19.28.1.
;;; bytecomp version FSF 2.10
;;; optimization is on.
;;; this file uses opcodes which do not exist in Emacs 18.

(if (and (boundp 'emacs-version)
	 (or (and (boundp 'epoch::version) epoch::version)
	     (string-lessp emacs-version "19")))
    (error "`/so5/emacs-19.28/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/hilit19.el' was compil=
ed for Emacs 19"))

(defvar hilit-quietly nil "\
* If non-nil, this inhibits progress indicators during highlighting")
(defvar hilit-auto-highlight t "\
* T if we should highlight all buffers as we find 'em, nil to disable
  automatic highlighting by the find-file hook.")
(defvar hilit-auto-highlight-maxout 60000 "\
* auto-highlight is disabled in buffers larger than this")
(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight t "\
* If this is non-nil, then hilit-redraw and hilit-recenter will also
  rehighlight part or all of the current buffer.  T will rehighlight the
  whole buffer, a NUMBER will rehighlight that many lines before and afte=
r
  the cursor, and the symbol 'visible' will rehighlight only the visible
  portion of the current buffer.  This variable is buffer-local.")
(make-variable-buffer-local (quote hilit-auto-rehighlight))
(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback (quote (20000 . 100)) "\
* Cons of the form (THRESHOLD . FALLBACK), where FALLBACK is assigned to
  hilit-auto-rehighlight if the size of a newly opened buffer is larger t=
han
  THRESHOLD.")
(defvar hilit-face-check t "\
* T slows down highlighting but permits the user to change fonts without
  losing bold and italic faces...  T causes hilit-lookup-face-create to d=
ig
  through the frame parameters for the current window every time it's cal=
led.
  If you never change fonts in emacs, set this to NIL.")
(defvar hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil "\
If non-nil, this inhibits replacement of recenter, yank, and yank-pop.")
(defvar hilit-inhibit-hooks nil "\
If non-nil, this inhibits installation of hooks for Info, gnus, & vm.")
(defvar hilit-background-mode (quote light) "\
'mono inhibits color, 'dark or 'light indicate the background brightness.=
")
(defvar hilit-mode-enable-list nil "\
If a list of modes to exclusively enable or specifically disable.
The sense of the list is negated if it begins with the symbol 'not'.
Set this variable before you load hilit19.

Ex:  (perl-mode jargon-mode c-mode)	; just perl, C, and jargon modes
     (not text-mode)			; all modes except text mode")
(defvar hilit-parser-alist nil "\
alist of major-mode values and parsers called by hilit-rehighlight-buffer=
=2E

Parsers for a given mode are IGNORED for partial rehighlights...maybe you=
'd
like to make this more universal?")
(defvar hilit-patterns-alist nil "\
alist of major-mode values and default highlighting patterns

A highlighting pattern is a list of the form (start end face), where
start is a regex, end is either a regex or a match number for start, and =
face
is the name of an entry in hilit-face-translation-table, the name of a fa=
ce,
or nil (which disables the pattern).

Each entry in the alist is of the form:
	(mode . (case-fold pattern [pattern ...]))

See the hilit-lookup-face-create documentation for valid face names.")
(defvar hilit-predefined-face-list (face-list) "\
List of faces with which hilit-lookup-face-create will NOT tamper.

If hilit19 is dumped into emacs at your site, you may have to set this in=

your init file.")
(defalias 'hilit-submit-feedback #[nil "=C0=C1!=88=C2=C3!=857=00=C4=C5=C6=
=C2=C7!=85#=00=C8=C9=C2=CA!=85\"=00=CB=CC!=85\"=00=CD\"=CE=CF=D0=D1=D2=D3=
=D4=D5=D6=D7=D8=D9=DA=DB=DC=DD=B0=0E&=06=87" [require reporter y-or-n-p "=
Do you really want to submit a report on hilit19? " reporter-submit-bug-r=
eport "Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@netcom.com>" "hilit19.el (Release 2.19)" =
"Do you need to include a dump hilit variables? " append (hilit-quietly h=
ilit-inhibit-hooks hilit-background-mode hilit-mode-enable-list hilit-aut=
o-highlight hilit-auto-highlight-maxout hilit-auto-rehighlight hilit-auto=
-rehighlight-fallback hilit-face-check) "Have you modified the standard p=
atterns? " yes-or-no-p "Are your patterns *REALLY* relevant? " (hilit-par=
ser-alist hilit-patterns-alist hilit-predefined-face-list) #[nil "=C0=C1!=
=85=0F=00=C2=C3=C4=C5!!=C6=B1=03=87" [y-or-n-p "Is this a problem with fo=
nt display? " "\nFrame Configuration:\n=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D\n" prin1-to-string frame-configuration-to-regist=
er 70 "\n"] 4] nil "This is (check all that apply, and delete what's irre=
levant):\n" "  [ ] a _MASSIVE_THANK_YOU_ for writing hilit19.el\n" "  [ ]=
 An invitation to attend the next Hackers Conference\n" "  [ ] You're a R=
IGHTEOUS HACKER, what are your rates?\n" "  [ ] I've used the force and r=
ead the source, but I'M CONFUSED\n" "  [ ] a PATCH. (output of 'diff -uw =
old.el new.el' or 'diff -cw')\n" "  [ ] a SERIOUS AND REPRODUCABLE BUG th=
at is not an EMACS bug\n" "     - I *swear* that it's not already mention=
ed in the KNOWN BUGS\n" "     - I HAVE CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/B=
eta/hilit19.el.gz\n" "       for a newer release that fixes the problem.\=
n" "    >> I HAVE ALSO CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hl319.el.gz\=
n" "       This is the alpha version...what will become hilit19 (Beta 3.0=
).\n" "\n" "Hey Stig, I *know* you're busy but...\n"] 20 "\
Submit feedback on hilit19 to the author: Stig@netcom.com" nil])
(defconst hilit-default-face-table (quote ((comment firebrick-italic mocc=
asin italic) (include purple Plum1 bold-italic) (define ForestGreen-bold =
green bold) (defun blue-bold cyan-bold bold-italic) (decl RoyalBlue cyan =
bold) (type nil yellow nil) (keyword RoyalBlue cyan bold-italic) (label r=
ed-underline orange-underlined underline) (string grey40 orange underline=
) (vhdlkeyword RoyalBlue-underline cyan bold-italic) (vhdltype purple bro=
wn nil) (vhdlenum purple brown-bold nil) (vhdlattr RoyalBlue cyan bold-it=
alic) (vhdldefun blue-bold-underline cyan-bold bold-italic) (vhdldecl Roy=
alBlue-underline cyan bold) (struct black-bold white-bold bold) (glob-str=
uct magenta Plum1 default-bold-underline) (named-param DarkGoldenrod Gold=
enrod underline) (crossref DarkGoldenrod Goldenrod underline) (formula Go=
ldenrod DarkGoldenrod underline) (active-error default/pink-bold default/=
DeepPink-bold default-underline) (error red-bold yellow bold) (warning bl=
ue-italic green italic) (rule blue-bold-underline cyan-underline default-=
bold-underline) (msg-subject blue-bold yellow bold) (msg-from purple-bold=
 green bold) (msg-header firebrick-bold cyan italic) (msg-separator black=
/tan-bold black/lightblue nil) (msg-quote ForestGreen pink italic) (summa=
ry-seen grey40 white nil) (summary-killed grey50 white nil) (summary-Xed =
OliveDrab2 green nil) (summary-deleted firebrick white italic) (summary-u=
nread RoyalBlue yellow bold) (summary-new blue-bold yellow-bold bold-ital=
ic) (summary-current default/skyblue-bold green/dimgrey-bold reverse-defa=
ult) (gnus-group-unsubscribed grey50 white nil) (gnus-group-empty nil nil=
 nil) (gnus-group-full ForestGreen green italic) (gnus-group-overflowing =
firebrick red bold-italic) (dired-directory blue-bold cyan bold) (dired-l=
ink firebrick-italic green italic) (dired-ignored ForestGreen moccasin ni=
l) (dired-deleted red-bold-italic orange bold-italic) (dired-marked purpl=
e Plum1 nil) (jargon-entry blue-bold cyan bold) (jargon-xref purple-bold =
Plum1 italic) (jargon-keyword firebrick-underline yellow underline))) "\
alist of default faces (face . (light-default dark-default mono-default))=


There is no way for the user to modify this table such that it will have =
any
effect upon the translations used by hilit19.  Instead, use the function
hilit-translate AFTER hilit19 has been loaded.

See also the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create.")
(defconst hilit-face-translation-table (byte-code "=C0 =83\f=00	=C2=9EA=86=

=00=C3=1C=C5=C6=0E=07\")=87" [x-display-color-p hilit-background-mode ((l=
ight . 1) (dark . 2)) 3 index mapcar #[(x) "=08@	=088B=87" [x index] 3] h=
ilit-default-face-table] 3) "\
alist that maps symbolic face-names to real face names")
(defalias 'hilit-translate '(macro . #[(&rest args) "=C0	G=C2=A6!=84
=00=C3=C4!=88=C5=89=89=1E=06=1E=07=1E=08	=838=00	@=16=07	A@=16=06	AA=11=C9=
=CA=CB=0E=07D=0E=06F=0E=08B=16=08=82=16=00=CC=0E=08+B=87" [zerop args 2 e=
rror "wrong number of args" nil to from cmdl hilit-associate (quote hilit=
-face-translation-table) quote progn] 4 "\
(hilit-translate FROM TO FROM TO ...): translate each face FROM to the
value of its TO face.  This is like setq for faces.

The function hilit-lookup-face-create will repeatedly translate until no =
more
translations for the face exist in the translation table.

See the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create for names of valid fac=
es."]))
(defalias 'hilit-lookup-face-create #[(face &optional force) "=C0=C1=1A=1B=
=0B=83)=00\f\n>=83=16=00=C5=C6\n\"=88=82=04=00\f\nB=12\f=0E=07=9E=89=13=83=
=04=00=0BA=14=82=04=00*=C8\f!=1E	=CA =1E=0B=CC=CD=0E=0B!=9EA=1E=0E=C1=1D=C1=
=1E=0F=C1=1E=10\f=83=9D=01\f=0E=11>=84=9D=01=0E=12=84i=00\f=D3 >=83i=00=0E=
=14=83=9D=01\f=CEN=0E=0E=98=84=9D=01=D5=D6=D7\"=88=D8=D9=0E	\"=83=82=00=DA=
=D7!=88=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=D8=DC=0E	\"=83=A5=00=DD=94=85=90=00=DE=0E	=DF=94=
=DF=95OP=16=0F=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=82=AA=00=C5=E0\f\"=88=D8=E1=0E	\"=83=CA=00=
=DD=94=85=B8=00=DE=0E	=DF=94=DF=95OP=16=10=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=E2=0E=0F=98=83=
=D4=00=C1=16=0F=E2=0E=10=98=83=DE=00=C1=16=10=C1=E3=E4=8F=88
=84=9D=01\f=C1=0E=0B=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83=FF=00=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6=
\f=CC=0E\f=E7=0E=0B%=88+\f=D8=E8=0E	\"=C1=1E=0B=1E)=1C=E6\f=EA=0E)=EB=0E=0B=
%=88+=D8=EC=0E	\"=83_=01=ED\f=0E=0B=EE#=88\f=89=0E=0B=1E=0B=1C=EF\f=0E=0B=
\"=E7H*=C0=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83T=01=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6\f=CC=0E\f=E7=
=0E=0B%=88+=D8=F0=0E	\"=83=9D=01=F1\f=0E=0B=EE#=88\f=89=0E=0B=1E=0B=1C=EF=
\f=0E=0B\"=E7H*=C0=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83=92=01=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6\=
f=CC=0E\f=E7=0E=0B%=88+.=06\f=87" [t nil visited trec face error "face tr=
anslation loop: %S" hilit-face-translation-table symbol-name fn selected-=
frame frame font frame-parameters basefont fgcolor bgcolor hilit-predefin=
ed-face-list force face-list hilit-face-check copy-face default scratch-f=
ace string-match "^reverse-?" invert-face 0 "^\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\=
\)" 1 "#" 2 "bad face name %S" "^/\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" "default=
" (byte-code "=C0	=C2=1B=1C=1D=C6
=C7\f=C8=0B%=88+=C0=0E	=C2=1B=1C=1D=C6
=CA\f=CB=0B%=88+=CC=C0
\"=88=CD
=CE=0E=0E#=87" [scratch-face fgcolor nil frame color face internal-set-fa=
ce-1 foreground 4 bgcolor background 5 copy-face put basefont] 6) ((error=
 (byte-code "=C0=C1=C2=0B!\"=88=C4=13=C5=16=06=C0=87" [message "couldn't =
allocate color for '%s'" symbol-name face default t error] 4))) x-resolve=
-font-name internal-set-face-1 3 "underline" underline-p underline 7 ".*b=
old" make-face-bold noerr internal-get-face ".*italic" make-face-italic] =
7 "\
Get a FACE, or create it if it doesn't exist.  In order for it to
properly create the face, the followwing naming convention must be used:
    [reverse-](fgcolor[/bgcolor])[-bold][-italic][-underline]
Example: (hilit-lookup-face-create 'comment-face) might create and return=
 'red

Each color is either the name of an X color (see .../X11/lib/X11/rgb.txt)=
,
a hexadecimal specification of the form \"hex-[0-9A-Fa-f]+\", or \"defaul=
t\".

An optional argument, FORCE, will cause the face to be recopied from the
default...which is probably of use only if you've changed fonts.

See the documentation for hilit-translate and hilit-face-translation-tabl=
e."])
(defalias 'hilit-region-set-face #[(start end face-name &optional prio pr=
op) "=C0	\n\"=1B=C4=0B=C5=0E=06#=88=C4=0B=0E=07=86=14=00=C8=C9#=88=0E\n=85=
\"=00=C4=0B=CB=0E\n#)=87" [make-overlay start end overlay overlay-put fac=
e face-name prop hilit t prio priority] 4 "\
Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.
The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."])
(put (quote hilit-region-set-face) (quote byte-optimizer) (quote byte-com=
pile-inline-expand))
(defalias 'hilit-unhighlight-region #[(start end &optional quietly) "=08=84=
\f=00	=84\f=00=C2=C3!=88=C4=1D=0E=06=837=00=0E=06
V=837=00=0E=06=0E=07W=837=00=C8=C9=CA=0E=06!\"=88=0E=06=15=CB=0E=06!=89=16=
=06=84=13=00)=08=86C=00	=86C=00=C2=CC!=87" [quietly hilit-quietly message=
 "Unhighlighting" 0 lstart start end mapcar #[(ovr) "=C0	=C2\"=85\n=00=C3=
	!=87" [overlay-get ovr hilit delete-overlay] 3] overlays-at next-overlay=
-change "Done unhighlighting"] 5 "\
Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way" "r"=
])
(defalias 'hilit-highlight-region #[(start end &optional patterns quietly=
) "=08=84\f=00	\n=9EA=10=82=16=00=089=83=16=00=08\n=9EA=10=08@=08GS=C3=89=
=89=89=89=C4=1D=1E=06=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=1E\n=1E=0B=1E\f=08A=10=8A=8C=0E
=0E=0E}=88=08=83=8D=00=08@=89=16\n@=16	=0E\nA@=16=08=CF=D0=0E\n8!=89=16=07=
=83=81=00=0E=11=84y=00=0E=12=84y=00=D3=D4=0E=0B=0E	=0E=08;=83v=00=D5=0E=08=
P=82w=00=D6$=88eb=88=D7=D8=D9=8F=88=0E=0BS=16=0B=08A=89=10=84?=00*=0E=11=86=
=9B=00=0E=12=86=9B=00=D3=D6!.=08=87" [patterns major-mode hilit-patterns-=
alist nil 0 puke-count mstart face pend pstart p prio case-fold-search st=
art end hilit-lookup-face-create 2 quietly hilit-quietly message "highlig=
hting %d: %s%s" " ... " "" msg (byte-code "=089=83O=00=C1=1A=08=0B!=89=12=
=83K=00\n@\nA\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=868=00=CD=CE#=88
=85E=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82=07=00)=82=01=01=0B;=83=AF=00=D0=08=C1=CE=C1$=83=01=01=D1=94=89=16=
=12b=88=D0=0B=C1=CE=C1$=83=A9=00=0E=12=D1=95\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=86=96=00=CD=CE#=88
=85=A3=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82T=00=D3u=88=82T=00=0B=A7=83=FD=00=D0=08=C1=CE=C1$=83=01=01=0B=95=
b=88=0B=94=0B=95\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=86=EA=00=CD=CE#=88
=85=F7=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82=B4=00=D4=D5!=88=C1=87" [pstart nil region pend face prio prop f=
ace-name end start make-overlay overlay overlay-put hilit t priority re-s=
earch-forward 0 mstart 1 error "malformed pattern"] 5) ((error (byte-code=
 "=08T=89=10=C1V=83=10=00=C2=0B!=88=82=1C=00=C4=C5=0B\"=88=C6 =88=C7=C8!=88=
=C1=87" [puke-count 1 error msg message "Error: '%s'" ding sit-for 4] 3))=
)] 9 "\
Highlights the area of the buffer between START and END (the region when
interactive).  Without the optional PATTERNS argument, the pattern for
major-mode is used.  If PATTERNS is a symbol, then the patterns associate=
d
with that symbol are used.  QUIETLY suppresses progress messages if
non-nil." "r"])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-region #[(start end &optional quietly) "=8C~=
=88=C0=C1\n=C3=C4=C5\n!\"#=12=C0=C6=0E=07=C3=C8=C5=0E=07!\"#=16=07=C9\n=0E=
=07=0E\n#=88=CB\n=0E=07=CC=0E\n$)=87" [apply min start mapcar overlay-sta=
rt overlays-at max end overlay-end hilit-unhighlight-region quietly hilit=
-highlight-region nil] 7 "\
Re-highlights the region, optionally in a QUIET way" "r"])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer #[(&optional quietly) "=08	=9EA=89=1A=
=83=10=00\n=0B!=88=82=16=00=C4ed=0B#=88)=C5=87" [major-mode hilit-parser-=
alist parse-fn quietly hilit-rehighlight-region nil] 5 "\
Re-highlights the buffer, optionally in a QUIET way" ""])
(defalias (quote hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly) #[nil "=C0=C1!=87" [hi=
lit-rehighlight-buffer t] 2])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-message #[(quietly) "=8Aeb=88=C0=C1=C2=C3#=88=
=C4ed
#=88=C6e`=C7
$=88=C6`d=C8
$)=87" [re-search-forward "^$" nil noerr hilit-unhighlight-region quietly=
 hilit-highlight-region msg-header msg-body] 5 "\
Highlight a buffer containing a news article or mail message."])
(defalias (quote hilit-highlight-buffer) (quote hilit-rehighlight-buffer)=
)
(defalias 'hilit-find-file-hook #[nil "=08=85\"=00	\n=9E=85\"=00=0B\f@V=83=
=14=00\fA=15=0B=0E=06V?=85\"=00=C7 =88=C8=C9!=87" [hilit-auto-highlight m=
ajor-mode hilit-patterns-alist buffer-saved-size hilit-auto-rehighlight-f=
allback hilit-auto-rehighlight hilit-auto-highlight-maxout hilit-rehighli=
ght-buffer set-buffer-modified-p nil] 2 "\
Find-file hook for hilit package.  See the variable hilit-auto-highlight.=
"])
(defalias 'hilit-repaint-command #[(arg) "=C0=89=89=19=1A=1B\f=84\f=00
=14\f=C6=3D=84=18=00\f=C7=3D=83#=00=C8 =13=C9 =12=CA=11=82A=00\f=A7=83:=00=
=8A\f[y=88`)=13=8A\fy=88`)=12=82A=00\f=83A=00=CB =88=0B=85J=00=CC=0B\n	#+=
=87" [nil quietly en st arg hilit-auto-rehighlight visible - window-start=
 window-end t hilit-rehighlight-buffer hilit-rehighlight-region] 4 "\
Rehighlights according to the value of hilit-auto-rehighlight, or the
prefix argument if that is specified.
	\\[hilit-repaint-command]		repaint according to hilit-auto-rehighlight
	^U \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint entire buffer
	^U - \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint visible portion of buffer
	^U n \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint n lines to either side of point" =
"P"])
(defalias 'hilit-recenter #[(arg) "=C0	!=88=C2=C3!=88=C4	:!=87" [recenter=
 arg sit-for 0 hilit-repaint-command] 2 "\
Recenter, then rehighlight according to hilit-auto-rehighlight.  If calle=
d
with an unspecified prefix argument (^U but no number), then a rehighligh=
t of
the entire buffer is forced." "P"])
(defalias 'hilit-yank #[(arg) "=C0=19=C2=0B!=88\f=83=12=00=C5=C6 =C7 =C8#=
=88=C2=89=16	)=87" [nil transient-mark-mode yank arg hilit-auto-rehighlig=
ht hilit-rehighlight-region region-beginning region-end t this-command] 4=
 "\
Yank with rehighlighting" "*P"])
(defalias 'hilit-yank-pop #[(arg) "=C0=19=C2=0B!=88\f=83=12=00=C5=C6 =C7 =
=C8#=88=C9=89=16\n)=87" [nil transient-mark-mode yank-pop arg hilit-auto-=
rehighlight hilit-rehighlight-region region-beginning region-end t yank t=
his-command] 4 "\
Yank-pop with rehighlighting" "*p"])
(byte-code "=08=84=1D=00	=83=1D=00=C2=C3=C4=C5 #=88=C2=C6=C7=C5 #=88=C2=C8=
=C9=C5 #=88=CA=CB=CC\"=88	=83,=00=CD=CE=CF=D0#=88=0E=11=84:=00	=83:=00=D2=
=D3=D4=8F=88=D5=16=16=D5=87" [hilit-inhibit-rebinding window-system subst=
itute-key-definition yank hilit-yank current-global-map yank-pop hilit-ya=
nk-pop recenter hilit-recenter global-set-key [2097164] hilit-repaint-com=
mand add-hook find-file-hooks hilit-find-file-hook t hilit-inhibit-hooks =
c (byte-code "=C0=C1=C2\"=88=C3=C4=C5\"=87" [mapcar #[(hook) "=C0	=C2\"=87=
" [add-hook hook hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly] 3] (Info-selection-hoo=
k vm-summary-pointer-hook vm-preview-message-hook vm-show-message-hook gn=
us-article-prepare-hook gnus-summary-prepare-hook gnus-group-prepare-hook=
 rmail-show-message-hook mail-setup-hook mh-show-mode-hook dired-after-re=
adin-hook) add-hook gnus-mark-article-hook #[nil "=08	>=84\n=00=C2=08!=88=
=C3 =88=8A\fq=88=C5=C6 =C7 =C8#)=87" [gnus-current-article gnus-newsgroup=
-marked gnus-summary-mark-as-read gnus-summary-set-current-mark gnus-summ=
ary-buffer hilit-rehighlight-region window-start window-end t] 4]] 3) ((e=
rror (byte-code "=C0=C1\n\"=88=C3 =88=C4=C5!=87" [message "Error loading =
highlight hooks: %s" c ding sit-for 1] 3))) nil hilit-patterns-alist] 4)
(defalias 'hilit-associate #[(alist key val) "=08=C1\n!=9E=89=1B=83=10=00=
=0B\f=A1=82=19=00\n=08\fB=C1\n!BL)=87" [key eval alist oldentry val] 5 "\=

creates, or destructively replaces, the pair (key . val) in alist"])
(defalias 'hilit-set-mode-patterns #[(modelist patterns &optional parse-f=
n case-fold) "=C0=C1\n\"=88=0B\nB=12\f:=84=11=00\fC=14=C5=0E=06@=C7=3D=1E=
=08=1E	=C0=CA\f\"*=87" [mapcar #[(p) "=08@;=85=11=00=08A@?=85=11=00=08A=C1=
=A0=87" [p 0] 2] patterns case-fold modelist nil hilit-mode-enable-list n=
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e-fn hilit-associate hilit-parser-alist hilit-patterns-alist patterns] 4]=
] 3 "\
Sets the default highlighting patterns for MODE to PATTERNS.
See the variable hilit-mode-enable-list.

Takes optional arguments PARSE-FN and CASE-FOLD."])
(defalias 'hilit-add-pattern #[(pstart pend face &optional mode first) "=08=
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C\"=88=82`=00=0E=10=83Y=00=0E=0E=0E
=0E=0EAB=A1=88=82`=00=0E=0E=0E
C=A4=88*t=85g=00=D1 =87" [pstart "" error "Must specify starting regex" p=
end 0 string-match "^[0-9]+$" string-to-int mode major-mode hilit-pattern=
s-alist face new-pat old-patterns hilit-set-mode-patterns first hilit-reh=
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Highlight pstart with face for the current major-mode.
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(defalias 'hilit-string-find #[(qchar) "=C0=89=19=1A=C3=C4=C0=C5#=83=18=00=
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looks for a string and returns (start . end) or NIL.  The argument QCHAR
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preceded by QCHAR and the closing double quote may not be preceded by an =
odd
number of backslashes."])
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;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; =

;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; =

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;; Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;

;;; Commentary:

;; Hilit19.el is a customizable highlighting package for Emacs19.  It sup=
ports
;; not only source code highlighting, but also Info, RMAIL, VM, gnus...
;; Hilit19 knows (or thinks it knows) how to highlight emacs buffers in
;; about 25 different modes.
;; =

;; WHERE TO GET THE LATEST VERSIONS OF HILIT19.EL (beta and release), =

;; PLUS LOTS OF OTHER *WAY COOL* STUFF VIA ANONYMOUS FTP:
;;
;;      netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/{Beta,Release}/hilit19.el.gz
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; TO SUBMIT BUG REPORTS (or feedback of any sort)...
;;
;;    M-x hilit-submit-feedback RET
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; hilit19.el,v 2.19 1993/09/08 18:44:10 stig Release
;;
;; LCD Archive Entry:
;; hilit19|Jonathan Stigelman|Stig@netcom.com|
;; Comprehensive (and comparatively fast) regex-based highlighting for Em=
acs 19|
;; 1993/09/08 18:44:10|Release 2.19|~/packages/hilit19.el.Z|
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; GENERAL OVERVIEW
;;
;;      This package installs numerous hooks to colorfully highlight your=

;;      source code buffers as well as mail and news buffers.  Most =

;;      programming languages have predefined highlighting patterns.
;;	Just load hilit19 and files will be automatically highlighted as
;;      they're loaded.
;;
;;      Rehighlight a buffer by typing C-S-l (control-shift-lowercase-L).=

;;
;;      If, when you edit the buffer, the coloring gets messed up, just
;;      redraw and the coloring will be adjusted.  If automatic highlight=
ing
;;      in the current buffer has been turned off, then typing C-u C-S-l =
will
;;	force a rehighlight of the entire buffer.
;;
;;      Hilit19 can build faces by examining the names that you give to t=
hem
;;	For example, green/black-bold-italic-underline would be created as
;;	a face with a green foreground, and a black background, using a =

;;	bold-italic font...with underlining for good measure.
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; SETUP -- In your .emacs:
;;
;; =

;; (cond (window-system
;;        (setq hilit-mode-enable-list  '(not text-mode)
;;              hilit-background-mode   'light
;;              hilit-inhibit-hooks     nil
;;              hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil)
;; =

;;        (require 'hilit19)
;;        ))
;; =

;; If you like font-lock-mode and want to use both packages, then you can=

;; disable hilit for the modes in which you want to use font-lock by list=
ing
;; said modes in hilit-mode-enable-list.
;; =

;;      (hilit-translate type     'RoyalBlue   ; enable highlighting in C=
/C++
;;			 string	  nil)         ; disable string highlighting
;;
;; To get 100% of the utility of hilit19, you may also have to apply the
;; patches below for info.el and vm5.33L_19/vm-summary.el
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; SETUP -- Are you using the right font for Emacs?
;;
;; Emacs cannot properly find bold and italic fonts unless you specify a
;; verbose X11 font name.  If you specify a font for emacs in your
;; .Xdefaults, it *MUST* be specified using the long form of the font nam=
e.
;; Here's a good font menu:
;;
;; (setq
;;  x-fixed-font-alist
;;  '("Font Menu"
;;    ("Misc"
;;     ("6x12" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--12-110-75-75-c-60-*-1=
")
;;     ("6x13" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-*-1=
")
;;     ("lucida 13"
;;      "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-0-0-0-0-m-0-*-1")
;;     ("7x13" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-*-1")
;;     ("7x14" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-*-1")
;;     ("9x15" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-*-*-c-*-*-1")
;;     ("")
;;     ("clean 8x8" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-80-*-*-c-*-*-1"=
)
;;     ("clean 8x14" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("clean 8x10" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("clean 8x16" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-160-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("")
;;     ("sony 8x16" "-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-*-1=
")
;;     ("")
;;     ("-- Courier --")
;;     ("Courier 10" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 12" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 14" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 18" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 18-b" "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     )))
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; KNOWN BUGS/TO DO LIST/HELP WANTED/APPLY WITHIN
;;
;; * When more than one size of font is used in different frames, only on=
e
;;   font size can have bold & italic properties.
;;
;; * unbalanced, unescaped double quote characters can confuse hilit19.
;;   This will be fixed someday, so don't bug me about it.
;;
;; * ALTHOUGH HILIT19 IS FASTER THAN FONT-LOCK-MODE...
;;   For various reasons, the speed of the package could still stand to b=
e
;;   improved.  If you care to do a little profiling and make things tigh=
ter...
;;
;; * hilit-toggle-highlight is flaky when auto-rehighlight is neither t n=
or nil.
;;   Does anyone actually USE this?  I think I might just remove it.
;;
;; PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN TAKE OVER BECAUSE I DON'T MUCH CARE ABOUT THEM..=
=2E
;;
;; * Moved hilit-wysiwyg-replace here from my version of man.el, this is =
not
;;   a bug.  The bug is that I don't have a reverse operation yet...just =
a
;;   stub Wysiwyg-anything really belongs in a package of it's own.
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; Thanks to the following people for their input:
;;    ebert@enpc.enpc.fr (Rolf EBERT), ada, LaTeX & bibtex highlights
;;    Vivek Khera <khera@cs.duke.edu>, gnus hooks + random advice & patch=
es
;;    brian@athe.WUstl.EDU (Brian Dunford-Shore), prolog highlights
;;    John Ladwig <jladwig@soils.umn.edu>, 1st pass nroff highlights
;;    campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it (Massimo Campostrini), fortran highlig=
hts
;;    jayb@laplace.MATH.ColoState.EDU (Jay Bourland), 1st pass dired
;;    Yoshio Turner <yoshio@CS.UCLA.EDU>, modula 2 highlights
;;    Fritz Knabe <knabe@ecrc.de>, advice & patches
;;    Alon Albert <alon@milcse.rtsg.mot.com>, advice & patches
;;    dana@thumper.bellcore.com (Dana A. Chee), working on the multi-fram=
e bug
;;    derway@ndc.com (Don Erway), for breaking it...
;;    moss_r@summer.chem.su.oz.au (Richard Moss), first pass at add-patte=
rn
;;    Olivier Lecarme <ol@aiguemarine.unice.fr>, Pascal & Icon patterns
;;
;; With suggestions and minor regex patches from numerous others...
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; hilit19.el,v
;; Revision 2.19  1993/09/08  18:44:10  stig
;; installed patch for elusive bug in hilit-rehighlight-region that cause=
d
;; hilit-unhighlight-region to hang in an infinite loop.
;;
;; Revision 2.18  1993/08/27  03:51:00  stig
;; minor mods to lisp-mode and c/c++ mode patterns
;;
;; Revision 2.17  1993/08/25  02:19:17  stig
;; work-around for bug in next-overlay-change that caused dired and jargo=
n-mode
;; to hang in an endless loop.  Perhaps other modes were doing this too.
;;
;; Revision 2.16  1993/08/22  19:46:00  stig
;; bug fix for next-overlay-change and accompanying change to
;; hilit-unhighlight-region
;;
;; Revision 2.15  1993/08/20  12:16:22  stig
;; minor change to fortran patterns
;;
;; Revision 2.14  1993/08/17  14:12:10  stig
;; added default face mapping for 'formula' which is needed for new latex=

;; patterns.
;;
;; twiddled the calendar-mode patterns a bit.
;;
;; Revision 2.13  1993/08/16  04:33:54  stig
;; hilit-set-mode-patterns was screwing up two part patterns.  it doesn't=
 now.
;;
;; Revision 2.12  1993/08/16  00:16:41  stig
;; changed references to default-bold-italic to just bold-italic because =
the
;;   font for that face is maintained by emacs.
;;
;; the pattern matcher now starts it's searches from the end of the most
;;   recently highlighted region (which is not necessarily the end of the=
 most
;;   recently matched regex).
;;
;; multiple errors in pattern matcher now just give an error instead of l=
ots of
;;   annoying messages and dings.
;;
;; no longer use vm-summary-mode-hooks.
;;
;; some code moved from hilit-highlight-region to hilit-set-mode-patterns=
=2E
;;   This will affect you if you pass your patterns directly to
;;   hilit-highlight-region....use a pseudo-mode instead.
;;
;; pattern changes to C/C++, latex, texinfo, fortran, nroff, etc.
;;
;; Revision 2.11  1993/08/13  12:12:37  stig
;; removed some crufty commented-out code
;;
;; diverged lisp-mode and emacs-lisp-mode...also added lisp keywords.
;;
;; Revision 2.10  1993/08/13  09:47:06  stig
;; added calendar-mode, icon-mode and pascal-mode patterns
;;
;; commented out hilit-toggle-highlight because I want to phase it out en=
tirely
;;
;; Revision 2.9  1993/08/13  08:44:22  stig
;; added optional case-fold argument to hilit-set-mode-patterns, this cas=
e-fold
;; parameter is now stored in hilit-patterns-alist.
;;
;; Revision 2.8  1993/08/12  22:05:03  stig
;; fixed some typos in documentation
;;
;; twiddled some of the color defaults for dark backgrounds
;;
;; always get 'mono color defaults if (not (x-display-color-p))
;;
;; added hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly to dired-after-readin-hook
;;
;; fixed bug in hilit-string-find that mishandled strings of the form: "\=
\"
;;
;; NEW FUNCTION: hilit-add-mode-pattern...  kinda like add-hook for patte=
rns
;;
;; fixed minor pattern bugs for latex-mode and emacs-lisp-mode
;;
;; Revision 2.7  1993/07/30  02:43:01  stig
;; added const to the list of modifiers for C/C++ types
;;
;; Revision 2.6  1993/07/30  00:30:54  stig
;; now permit selection of arbitrary subexpressions for highlighting...
;; fixed keyword patterns for C/C++ using this technique.
;;
;; Revision 2.5  1993/07/28  05:02:56  stig
;; improvements to makefile regular expressions
;; removed about 130 lines just by compacting the big defconst for
;;   hilit-face-translation-table into a mapcar and defining a separate t=
able
;;   of default faces.
;;
;; Revision 2.4  1993/07/27  14:09:05  stig
;; documented another "known problem" to "head off gripe mail at the pass=
=2E"
;;
;; Revision 2.3  1993/07/27  02:15:49  stig
;; (hilit-lookup-face-create) incorporated patch which improves it's beha=
vior
;; with more than one frame...  Still can't have bold on the same face in=
 two
;; differrent fonts sizes at the same time...
;;
;; Revision 2.2  1993/07/27  02:02:59  stig
;; vastly improved the makefile patterns
;; added hook for mh-show-mode
;;
;; Revision 2.1  1993/07/24  17:46:21  stig
;; Phasing out Info-select-hook...  Version 19.18 will use Info-selection=
-hook.
;;
;; Revision 2.0  1993/07/24  13:50:10  stig
;; better documentation and added the function hilit-submit-feedback.
;; C-S-l (control shift l) repaints the buffer.  Other bindings are optio=
nal.
;; multi-line highlights no longer cause problems when
;;   hilit-auto-rehighlight is 'visible
;; added hilit-predefined-face-list...
;; changed name of hilit-mode-alist to hilit-patterns-alist
;; added hilit-message-quietly to mail-setup-hook
;; added hilit-parser-alist which can be used to apply different patterns=
 to
;;   different parts of a buffer.  This could be integrated in a far more=

;;   elegant manner, but it presently serves the purpose of not applying
;;   message header patterns to message bodies in mail-mode and it's kin.=

;; hilit-set-mode-patterns now takes a list of modes and an optional pars=
e-fn
;;

;;;;;; AND THIS CAN BE APPLIED TO VM 5.33L_19
;; =

;; *** ../site/vm5.33L_19/vm-summary.el    Fri Jun  4 22:17:11 1993
;; --- ./vm-summary.el     Tue Jun 22 16:39:30 1993
;; ***************
;; *** 152,158 ****
;;                   (insert "->")
;;                   (delete-char 2)
;;                   (forward-char -2)
;; !                 (and w vm-auto-center-summary (vm-auto-center-summar=
y))))
;;             (and old-window (select-window old-window)))))))
;;   =

;;   (defun vm-mark-for-display-update (message)
;; --- 152,159 ----
;;                   (insert "->")
;;                   (delete-char 2)
;;                   (forward-char -2)
;; !                 (and w vm-auto-center-summary (vm-auto-center-summar=
y))
;; !                 (run-hooks 'vm-summary-pointer-hook)))
;;             (and old-window (select-window old-window)))))))
;;   =

;;   (defun vm-mark-for-display-update (message)
;; =

;;;;;;
=0C
;;; Code:

;; User Options:

(defvar hilit-quietly nil
  "* If non-nil, this inhibits progress indicators during highlighting")

(defvar hilit-auto-highlight t
  "* T if we should highlight all buffers as we find 'em, nil to disable
  automatic highlighting by the find-file hook.")

(defvar hilit-auto-highlight-maxout 60000 ; hilit19 keeps getting bigger.=
=2E.
  "* auto-highlight is disabled in buffers larger than this")

(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight t
  "* If this is non-nil, then hilit-redraw and hilit-recenter will also
  rehighlight part or all of the current buffer.  T will rehighlight the
  whole buffer, a NUMBER will rehighlight that many lines before and afte=
r
  the cursor, and the symbol 'visible' will rehighlight only the visible
  portion of the current buffer.  This variable is buffer-local.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'hilit-auto-rehighlight)

(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback '(20000 . 100)
  "* Cons of the form (THRESHOLD . FALLBACK), where FALLBACK is assigned =
to
  hilit-auto-rehighlight if the size of a newly opened buffer is larger t=
han
  THRESHOLD.")

(defvar hilit-face-check t
  "* T slows down highlighting but permits the user to change fonts witho=
ut
  losing bold and italic faces...  T causes hilit-lookup-face-create to d=
ig
  through the frame parameters for the current window every time it's cal=
led.
  If you never change fonts in emacs, set this to NIL.")

;; Variables which must be set before loading hilit19.

(defvar hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil
  "If non-nil, this inhibits replacement of recenter, yank, and yank-pop.=
")

(defvar hilit-inhibit-hooks nil
  "If non-nil, this inhibits installation of hooks for Info, gnus, & vm."=
)

(defvar hilit-background-mode 'light
  "'mono inhibits color, 'dark or 'light indicate the background brightne=
ss.")

(defvar hilit-mode-enable-list nil
  "If a list of modes to exclusively enable or specifically disable.
The sense of the list is negated if it begins with the symbol 'not'.
Set this variable before you load hilit19.

Ex:  (perl-mode jargon-mode c-mode)	; just perl, C, and jargon modes
     (not text-mode)			; all modes except text mode")

;; Variables that are not generally modified directly

(defvar hilit-parser-alist nil
  "alist of major-mode values and parsers called by hilit-rehighlight-buf=
fer.

Parsers for a given mode are IGNORED for partial rehighlights...maybe you=
'd
like to make this more universal?")

(defvar hilit-patterns-alist nil
  "alist of major-mode values and default highlighting patterns

A highlighting pattern is a list of the form (start end face), where
start is a regex, end is either a regex or a match number for start, and =
face
is the name of an entry in hilit-face-translation-table, the name of a fa=
ce,
or nil (which disables the pattern).

Each entry in the alist is of the form:
	(mode . (case-fold pattern [pattern ...]))

See the hilit-lookup-face-create documentation for valid face names.")

(defvar hilit-predefined-face-list (face-list)
  "List of faces with which hilit-lookup-face-create will NOT tamper.

If hilit19 is dumped into emacs at your site, you may have to set this in=

your init file.")

(eval-when-compile (setq byte-optimize t))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;; Use this to report bugs:

(eval-when-compile (require 'reporter))	; no compilation gripes

(defun hilit-submit-feedback ()
  "Submit feedback on hilit19 to the author: Stig@netcom.com"
  (interactive)
  (require 'reporter)
  (and (y-or-n-p "Do you really want to submit a report on hilit19? ")
       (reporter-submit-bug-report
	"Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@netcom.com>"
	"hilit19.el (Release 2.19)"
	(and (y-or-n-p "Do you need to include a dump hilit variables? ")
	     (append
	      '(
		hilit-quietly    		hilit-inhibit-hooks
		hilit-background-mode		hilit-mode-enable-list
		hilit-auto-highlight		hilit-auto-highlight-maxout
		hilit-auto-rehighlight		hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback
		hilit-face-check
		)
	      (and (y-or-n-p "Have you modified the standard patterns? ")
		   (yes-or-no-p "Are your patterns *REALLY* relevant? ")
		   '(hilit-parser-alist
		     hilit-patterns-alist
		     hilit-predefined-face-list
		     ))))
	 (function
	  (lambda ()
	    (and (y-or-n-p "Is this a problem with font display? ")
		 (insert "\nFrame Configuration:\n=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D\n"
			 (prin1-to-string (frame-configuration-to-register ?F))
			 "\n"
			 ))))
	 nil
	 (concat
	  "This is (check all that apply, and delete what's irrelevant):\n"
	  "  [ ] a _MASSIVE_THANK_YOU_ for writing hilit19.el\n"
	  "  [ ] An invitation to attend the next Hackers Conference\n"
	  "  [ ] You're a RIGHTEOUS HACKER, what are your rates?\n"
	  "  [ ] I've used the force and read the source, but I'M CONFUSED\n"
	  "  [ ] a PATCH. (output of 'diff -uw old.el new.el' or 'diff -cw')\n"
	  "  [ ] a SERIOUS AND REPRODUCABLE BUG that is not an EMACS bug\n"
	  "     - I *swear* that it's not already mentioned in the KNOWN BUGS\n"=

	  "     - I HAVE CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hilit19.el.gz\n"
	  "       for a newer release that fixes the problem.\n"
	  "    >> I HAVE ALSO CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hl319.el.gz\=
n"
	  "       This is the alpha version...what will become hilit19 (Beta 3.0=
).\n"
	  "\n"
	  "Hey Stig, I *know* you're busy but...\n"))))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; These faces are either a valid face name, or nil
;; if you want to change them, you must do so AFTER hilit19 is loaded

(defconst hilit-default-face-table
  '(
    ;; used for C/C++ and elisp and perl
    (comment	firebrick-italic    moccasin           italic)
    (include	purple		    Plum1	       bold-italic)
    (define	ForestGreen-bold    green	       bold)
    (defun	blue-bold	    cyan-bold	       bold-italic)
    (decl	RoyalBlue	    cyan	       bold)
    (type	nil      	    yellow	       nil)
    (keyword	RoyalBlue	    cyan	       bold-italic)
    (label	red-underline	    orange-underlined  underline)
    (string	grey40		    orange	       underline)

    ;; something for VHDL
    (vhdlkeyword RoyalBlue-underline cyan              bold-italic)
    (vhdltype    purple               brown            nil)
    (vhdlenum    purple               brown-bold       nil)
    (vhdlattr    RoyalBlue            cyan             bold-italic)
    (vhdldefun	 blue-bold-underline  cyan-bold	       bold-italic)
    (vhdldecl	 RoyalBlue-underline  cyan	       bold)

    ;; some further faces for Ada
    (struct	  black-bold        white-bold	       bold)
    (glob-struct  magenta	    Plum1	       default-bold-underline)
    (named-param  DarkGoldenrod	    Goldenrod	       underline)
	=

    ;; and anotherone for LaTeX
    (crossref	  DarkGoldenrod	    Goldenrod	       underline)
    (formula	  Goldenrod	    DarkGoldenrod      underline)
 =

    ;; compilation buffers
    (active-error default/pink-bold  default/DeepPink-bold  default-under=
line)
    (error	  red-bold           yellow	       bold)
    (warning	  blue-italic	     green	       italic)

    ;; Makefiles (some faces borrowed from C/C++ too)
    (rule	  blue-bold-underline cyan-underline   default-bold-underline)
    =

    ;; VM, GNUS and Text mode
    (msg-subject    blue-bold       yellow             bold)
    (msg-from	    purple-bold	    green	       bold)
    (msg-header	    firebrick-bold  cyan	       italic)
    (msg-separator  black/tan-bold  black/lightblue    nil)
    (msg-quote	    ForestGreen	    pink	       italic)

    (summary-seen     grey40	    white	       nil)
    (summary-killed   grey50	    white	       nil)
    (summary-Xed      OliveDrab2    green	       nil)
    (summary-deleted  firebrick	    white	       italic)
    (summary-unread   RoyalBlue	    yellow	       bold)
    (summary-new      blue-bold	    yellow-bold	       bold-italic)
    (summary-current  default/skyblue-bold green/dimgrey-bold reverse-def=
ault)

    (gnus-group-unsubscribed grey50		white	    nil)
    (gnus-group-empty	     nil		nil	    nil)
    (gnus-group-full	     ForestGreen	green	    italic)
    (gnus-group-overflowing  firebrick		red	    bold-italic)

    ;; dired mode
    (dired-directory blue-bold         cyan            bold)
    (dired-link	     firebrick-italic  green	       italic)
    (dired-ignored   ForestGreen       moccasin	       nil)
    (dired-deleted   red-bold-italic   orange	       bold-italic)
    (dired-marked    purple	       Plum1	       nil)
	=

    ;; Info-mode, and jargon-mode.el and prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/jargon*=

    (jargon-entry    blue-bold	       cyan            bold)
    (jargon-xref     purple-bold       Plum1	       italic)
    (jargon-keyword  firebrick-underline yellow	       underline)
    )
  "alist of default faces (face . (light-default dark-default mono-defaul=
t))

There is no way for the user to modify this table such that it will have =
any
effect upon the translations used by hilit19.  Instead, use the function
hilit-translate AFTER hilit19 has been loaded.

See also the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create.")

(defconst hilit-face-translation-table
  (let ((index (or (and (x-display-color-p)
			(cdr (assq hilit-background-mode
				   '((light . 1) (dark . 2)))))
		   3)))
    (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (cons (car x) (nth index x))))
	    hilit-default-face-table))
  "alist that maps symbolic face-names to real face names")

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;; To translate one face to another...
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;

(defmacro hilit-translate (&rest args)
  "(hilit-translate FROM TO FROM TO ...): translate each face FROM to the=

value of its TO face.  This is like setq for faces.

The function hilit-lookup-face-create will repeatedly translate until no =
more
translations for the face exist in the translation table.

See the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create for names of valid fac=
es."
  (or (zerop (% (length args) 2))
      (error "wrong number of args"))
  (let (cmdl from to)
    (while args
      (setq from (car args) to (nth 1 args) args (nthcdr 2 args)
	    cmdl (cons (list 'hilit-associate ''hilit-face-translation-table
			     (list 'quote from) to)
		       cmdl)))
    (cons 'progn cmdl)))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;; =

;; This function actually translates and then creates the faces...
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;; =


(defun hilit-lookup-face-create (face &optional force)
  "Get a FACE, or create it if it doesn't exist.  In order for it to
properly create the face, the followwing naming convention must be used:
    [reverse-](fgcolor[/bgcolor])[-bold][-italic][-underline]
Example: (hilit-lookup-face-create 'comment-face) might create and return=
 'red

Each color is either the name of an X color (see .../X11/lib/X11/rgb.txt)=
,
a hexadecimal specification of the form \"hex-[0-9A-Fa-f]+\", or \"defaul=
t\".

An optional argument, FORCE, will cause the face to be recopied from the
default...which is probably of use only if you've changed fonts.

See the documentation for hilit-translate and hilit-face-translation-tabl=
e."

;; translate the face ...
  (let ((trec t) visited)
    (while trec
      (cond ((memq face visited) (error "face translation loop: %S" visit=
ed))
	    (t (setq visited (cons face visited)
		     trec (assq face hilit-face-translation-table))
	       (and trec (setq face (cdr trec)))))))

  ;; make the face if we need to...
  (let* ((fn (symbol-name face))
	 (frame (selected-frame))
	 (basefont (cdr (assq 'font (frame-parameters frame))))
	 error fgcolor bgcolor)
    (cond
     ((or (null face)			=

	  (memq face hilit-predefined-face-list))
      ;; do nothing if the face is nil or if it's predefined.
      )
     ((or force
	  (not (memq face (face-list)))
	  (and hilit-face-check
	       (not (string=3D (get face 'basefont) basefont))))
      (copy-face 'default 'scratch-face)
      (if (string-match "^reverse-?" fn)
	  (progn (invert-face 'scratch-face)
		 (setq fn (substring fn (match-end 0)))))

      ;; parse foreground color
      (if (string-match "^\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" fn)
	  (setq fgcolor (concat
			 (if (match-beginning 1) "#")
			 (substring fn (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
		fn (substring fn (match-end 0)))
	(error "bad face name %S" face))

      ;; parse background color
      (if (string-match "^/\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" fn)
	  (setq bgcolor (concat
			 (and (match-beginning 1) "#")
			 (substring fn (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
		fn (substring fn (match-end 0))))
      =

      (and (string=3D "default" fgcolor) (setq fgcolor nil))
      (and (string=3D "default" bgcolor) (setq bgcolor nil))
      =

      ;; catch errors if we can't allocate the color(s)
      (condition-case nil
	  (progn (set-face-foreground 'scratch-face fgcolor)
		 (set-face-background 'scratch-face bgcolor)
		 (copy-face 'scratch-face face)
		 (put face 'basefont basefont))
	(error (message "couldn't allocate color for '%s'"
			(symbol-name face))
	       (setq face 'default)
	       (setq error t)))
      (or error
	  ;; don't bother w/ bold or italic if we didn't get the color
	  ;; we wanted, but ignore errors making the face bold or italic
	  ;; if the font isn't available, there's nothing to do about it...
	  (progn
	    (set-face-font face nil frame)
	    (set-face-underline-p face (string-match "underline" fn))
	    (if (string-match ".*bold" fn)
		(progn
		  ;; first, fix up this frame's face
		  (make-face-bold face frame  'noerr)
		  ;; now, fix up the face from the global list
		  (set-face-font face (face-font face frame) t)))
	    (if (string-match ".*italic" fn)
		(progn
		  ;; first, fix up this frame's face
		  (make-face-italic face frame 'noerr)
		  ;; now, fix up the face from the global list
		  (set-face-font face (face-font face frame) t)))
	    ))
      )))
  face)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Region Highlight/Unhighlight code (Both overlay and text-property vers=
ions)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defsubst hilit-region-set-face (start end face-name &optional prio prop)=

  "Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.
The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."
  (let ((overlay (make-overlay start end)))
    (overlay-put overlay 'face face-name)
    (overlay-put overlay (or prop 'hilit) t)
    (and prio (overlay-put overlay 'priority prio))))

(defun hilit-unhighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
  "Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "r")
  (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "Unhighlighting"))
  (let ((lstart 0))
    (while (and start (> start lstart) (< start end))
      (mapcar (function (lambda (ovr)
			  (and (overlay-get ovr 'hilit) (delete-overlay ovr))))
	      (overlays-at start))
      (setq lstart start start (next-overlay-change start))))
  (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "Done unhighlighting")))

;;;; These functions use text properties instead of overlays.  Text prope=
rties
;;;; are copied through kill and yank...which might be convenient, but is=
 not
;;;; terribly efficient as of 19.12, ERGO it's been disabled
;;
;;(defsubst hilit-region-set-face (start end face-name &optional prio pro=
p)
;;  "Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.=

;;The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."
;;    (put-text-property start end 'face face-name)
;;    )
;;
;;(defun hilit-unhighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
;;  "Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way=
"
;;  (interactive "r")
;;  (let ((buffer-read-only nil)
;;	(bm (buffer-modified-p)))
;;    (remove-text-properties start end '(face))
;;    (set-buffer-modified-p bm)))
;;;;

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Pattern Application code and user functions
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defun hilit-highlight-region (start end &optional patterns quietly)
  "Highlights the area of the buffer between START and END (the region wh=
en
interactive).  Without the optional PATTERNS argument, the pattern for
major-mode is used.  If PATTERNS is a symbol, then the patterns associate=
d
with that symbol are used.  QUIETLY suppresses progress messages if
non-nil."
  (interactive "r")
  (cond ((null patterns)
	 (setq patterns (cdr (assq major-mode hilit-patterns-alist))))
	((symbolp patterns)
	 (setq patterns (cdr (assq patterns hilit-patterns-alist)))))  =

  ;; txt prop: (setq patterns (reverse patterns))
  (let ((case-fold-search (car patterns))
	(prio (1- (length patterns)))
	;; txt prop: (buffer-read-only nil)
	;; txt prop: (bm (buffer-modified-p))
	p pstart pend face mstart (puke-count 0))
    ;; txt prop: (unwind-protect
    (setq patterns (cdr patterns))	; remove case-fold from head of patter=
n
    (save-excursion
      (save-restriction
	(narrow-to-region start end)
	(while patterns
	  (setq p (car patterns))
	  (setq pstart (car p)
		pend (nth 1 p)
		face (hilit-lookup-face-create (nth 2 p)))
	  (if (not face)		; skipped if nil
	      nil
	    (or quietly hilit-quietly
		(message "highlighting %d: %s%s" prio pstart =

			 (if (stringp pend) (concat " ... " pend) "")))
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (condition-case msg
		(cond =

		      ((symbolp pstart)
		       ;; inner loop -- special function to find pattern
		       (let (region)
			 (while (setq region (funcall pstart pend))
			   (hilit-region-set-face (car region) (cdr region)
						  face prio))))
		      ((stringp pend)
		       ;; inner loop -- regex-start ... regex-end
		       (while (re-search-forward pstart nil t nil)
			 (goto-char (setq mstart (match-beginning 0)))
			 (if (re-search-forward pend nil t nil)
			     (hilit-region-set-face mstart (match-end 0)
						    face prio)
			   (forward-char 1))))
		      ((numberp pend)
		       ;; inner loop -- just one regex to match whole pattern
		       (while (re-search-forward pstart nil t nil)
			 (goto-char (match-end pend))
			 (hilit-region-set-face  (match-beginning pend)
						 (match-end pend) face prio)))
		      (t (error "malformed pattern")))
	      (error (if (> (setq puke-count (1+ puke-count)) 1)
			 (error msg)
		       (message "Error: '%s'" msg)
		       (ding) (sit-for 4)))))
	  (setq prio (1- prio)
		patterns (cdr patterns)))
	))
    (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "")) ; "Done highlighting"
    ;; txt prop: (set-buffer-modified-p bm)) ; unwind protection
    ))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
  "Re-highlights the region, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "r")
  (save-restriction
    (widen)
    (setq start (apply 'min start (mapcar 'overlay-start (overlays-at sta=
rt)))
	  end (apply 'max end (mapcar 'overlay-end (overlays-at end))))
    (hilit-unhighlight-region start end quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region   start end nil quietly)))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-buffer (&optional quietly)
  "Re-highlights the buffer, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "")
  (let ((parse-fn (cdr (assq major-mode hilit-parser-alist))))
    (if parse-fn
	(funcall parse-fn quietly)
      (hilit-rehighlight-region (point-min) (point-max) quietly)))
  nil)

(defun hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly ()
  (hilit-rehighlight-buffer t))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-message (quietly)
  "Highlight a buffer containing a news article or mail message."
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'noerr)
    (hilit-unhighlight-region (point-min) (point-max) quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region (point-min) (point) 'msg-header quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region (point) (point-max) 'msg-body quietly)))

(defalias 'hilit-highlight-buffer 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer)

;; Well, I want to remove this function...there's one sure way to find ou=
t if
;; anyone uses it or not...and that's to comment it out.
;; =

;; (defun hilit-toggle-highlight (arg)
;;   "Locally toggle highlighting.  With arg, forces highlighting off."
;;   (interactive "P")
;;   ;; FIXME -- this loses numeric information in hilit-auto-rehighlight=

;;   (setq hilit-auto-rehighlight
;;         (and (not arg) (not hilit-auto-rehighlight)))
;;   (if hilit-auto-rehighlight
;;       (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)
;;     (hilit-unhighlight-region (point-min) (point-max)))
;;   (message "Rehighlighting is set to %s" hilit-auto-rehighlight))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; HOOKS
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defun hilit-find-file-hook ()
  "Find-file hook for hilit package.  See the variable hilit-auto-highlig=
ht."
  (cond ((and hilit-auto-highlight
	      (assq major-mode hilit-patterns-alist))
	 (if (> buffer-saved-size (car hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback))
	     (setq hilit-auto-rehighlight
		   (cdr hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback)))
	 (if (> buffer-saved-size hilit-auto-highlight-maxout) nil
	   (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)
	   (set-buffer-modified-p nil)))))

(defun hilit-repaint-command (arg)
  "Rehighlights according to the value of hilit-auto-rehighlight, or the
prefix argument if that is specified.
\t\\[hilit-repaint-command]\t\trepaint according to hilit-auto-rehighligh=
t
\t^U \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint entire buffer
\t^U - \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint visible portion of buffer
\t^U n \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint n lines to either side of point=
"
  (interactive "P") =

  (let (st en quietly)
    (or arg (setq arg hilit-auto-rehighlight))
    (cond ((or (eq  arg 'visible) (eq arg '-))
	   (setq st (window-start) en (window-end) quietly t))
	  ((numberp arg)
	   (setq st (save-excursion (forward-line (- arg)) (point))
		 en (save-excursion (forward-line arg) (point))))
	  (arg
	   (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)))
    (if st
	  (hilit-rehighlight-region st en quietly))))

(defun hilit-recenter (arg)
  "Recenter, then rehighlight according to hilit-auto-rehighlight.  If ca=
lled
with an unspecified prefix argument (^U but no number), then a rehighligh=
t of
the entire buffer is forced."
  (interactive "P")
  (recenter arg)
  ;; force display update
  (sit-for 0)
  (hilit-repaint-command (consp arg)))

(defun hilit-yank (arg)
  "Yank with rehighlighting"
  (interactive "*P")
  (let ((transient-mark-mode nil))
    (yank arg)
    (and hilit-auto-rehighlight
	 (hilit-rehighlight-region (region-beginning) (region-end) t))
    (setq this-command 'yank)))

(defun hilit-yank-pop (arg)
  "Yank-pop with rehighlighting"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let ((transient-mark-mode nil))
    (yank-pop arg)
    (and hilit-auto-rehighlight
	 (hilit-rehighlight-region (region-beginning) (region-end) t))
    (setq this-command 'yank)))

;;; this line highlighting stuff is untested.  play with it only if you f=
eel
;;; adventurous...don't ask me to fix it...though you're welcome to.  -- =
Stig
;; =

;; (defun hilit-rehighlight-line-quietly (&rest args)
;;   "Quietly rehighlight just this line.
;; Useful as an after change hook in VM/gnus summary buffers and dired bu=
ffers.
;; If only there were an after-change-function, that is..."
;;   (save-excursion
;;     (push-mark nil t)
;;     (hilit-rehighlight-yank-region)
;;     (and orig-achange-function (apply orig-achange-function args))))
;; =

;; (defun hilit-install-line-hooks ()
;;   (make-variable-buffer-local 'after-change-function)
;;   (make-local-variable 'orig-achange-function)
;;   (setq orig-achange-function after-change-function)
;;   (setq after-change-function 'hilit-rehighlight-line-quietly))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Wysiwyg Stuff...  take it away and build a whole package around it!
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; =

;; ; For the Jargon-impaired, WYSIWYG =3D=3D=3D What You See Is What You =
Get
;; ; Sure, it sucks to type.  Oh, well.
;; (defun hilit-wysiwyg-replace ()
;;   "Replace overstruck text with normal text that's been overlayed with=
 the =

;; appropriate text attribute.  Suitable for a find-file hook."
;;   (save-excursion
;;     (goto-char (point-min))
;;     (let ((wysb (hilit-lookup-face-create 'wysiwyg-bold))
;; 	  (wysu (hilit-lookup-face-create 'wysiwyg-underline))
;; 	  (bmod (buffer-modified-p)))
;;       (while (re-search-forward "\\(.\b.\\)+" nil t)
;; 	(let ((st (match-beginning 0)) (en (match-end 0)))
;; 	  (goto-char st)
;; 	  (if (looking-at "_")
;; 	      (hilit-region-set-face st en wysu 100 'wysiwyg)
;; 	    (hilit-region-set-face st en wysb 100 'wysiwyg))
;; 	  (while (and (< (point) en) (looking-at ".\b"))
;; 	    (replace-match "") (forward-char))
;; 	  ))
;;       (set-buffer-modified-p bmod))))
;; =

;; ; is this more appropriate as a write-file-hook or a write-contents-ho=
ok?
;; (defun hilit-wysiwyg-write-repair ()
;;   "Replace wysiwyg overlays with overstrike text."
;;   (message "*sigh* hilit-wysiwyg-write-repair not implemented yet")
;;
;; For efficiency, this hook should copy the current buffer to a scratch
;; buffer and do it's overstriking there.  Overlays are not copied, so it=
'll
;; be necessary to hop back and forth.  This is OK since you're not fiddl=
ing
;; with--making or deleting--any overlays.  THEN write the new buffer,
;; delete it, and RETURN T. << important
;;
;; Just so you know...there is already an emacs function called
;; underline-region that does underlining.  I think that the thing to do =
is
;; extend that to do overstriking as well.
;;
;;  (while (< start end)
;;    (mapcar (function (lambda (ovr)
;;			  (and (overlay-get ovr 'hilit) (delete-overlay ovr))))
;;	    (overlays-at start))
;;    (setq start (next-overlay-change start)))
;;  nil)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Initialization.  =

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(and (not hilit-inhibit-rebinding)
     window-system
     (progn =

       (substitute-key-definition 'yank     'hilit-yank
				  (current-global-map))
       (substitute-key-definition 'yank-pop 'hilit-yank-pop
				  (current-global-map))
       (substitute-key-definition 'recenter 'hilit-recenter
				  (current-global-map))))

(global-set-key [?\C-\S-l] 'hilit-repaint-command)

(and window-system
     (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'hilit-find-file-hook t))

(eval-when-compile (require 'gnus))	; no compilation gripes

(and (not hilit-inhibit-hooks)
     window-system
     (condition-case c
	 (progn

	   ;; BUFFER highlights...
	   (mapcar (function
		    (lambda (hook)
		      (add-hook hook 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly)))
		   '(
		     Info-selection-hook

;; runs too early		     vm-summary-mode-hooks
		     vm-summary-pointer-hook
		     vm-preview-message-hook
		     vm-show-message-hook

		     gnus-article-prepare-hook
		     gnus-summary-prepare-hook
		     gnus-group-prepare-hook

		     rmail-show-message-hook
		     mail-setup-hook =

		     mh-show-mode-hook

		     dired-after-readin-hook
		     ))

	   ;; rehighlight only visible part of summary buffer for speed.
	   (add-hook 'gnus-mark-article-hook
		     (function
		      (lambda ()
			(or (memq gnus-current-article gnus-newsgroup-marked)
			    (gnus-summary-mark-as-read gnus-current-article))
			(gnus-summary-set-current-mark)
			(save-excursion
			  (set-buffer gnus-summary-buffer)
			  (hilit-rehighlight-region (window-start)
						    (window-end) t)
			  ))))
	   ;; only need prepare article hook
	   ;;
	   ;;	(add-hook 'gnus-select-article-hook
	   ;;		  '(lambda () (save-excursion
	   ;;				(set-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
	   ;;				(hilit-rehighlight-buffer))))
	   )
       (error (message "Error loading highlight hooks: %s" c)
	      (ding) (sit-for 1))))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Default patterns for various modes.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

;;; do I need this?  I changed the defconst to a defvar because defconst =
is
;;; inappropriate, but I don't know why I wanted hilit-patterns-alist to =
be
;;; reset on every reload...

(setq hilit-patterns-alist nil) =


(defun hilit-associate (alist key val)
  "creates, or destructively replaces, the pair (key . val) in alist"
  (let ((oldentry (assq key (eval alist))))
    (if oldentry
	(setcdr oldentry val)
      (set alist (cons (cons key val) (eval alist))))))
  =

(defun hilit-set-mode-patterns (modelist patterns
					 &optional parse-fn case-fold)
  "Sets the default highlighting patterns for MODE to PATTERNS.
See the variable hilit-mode-enable-list.

Takes optional arguments PARSE-FN and CASE-FOLD."
  ;; change pattern
  (mapcar (function (lambda (p)
		      (and (stringp (car p))
			   (null (nth 1 p))
			   (setcar (cdr p) 0))))
	  patterns)
  (setq patterns (cons case-fold patterns))
  =

  (or (consp modelist) (setq modelist (list modelist)))
  (let (ok (flip (eq (car hilit-mode-enable-list) 'not)))
    (mapcar (function
	     (lambda (m)
	       (setq ok (or (null hilit-mode-enable-list)
			    (memq m hilit-mode-enable-list)))
	       (and flip (setq ok (not ok)))
	       (and ok
		    (progn
		      (and parse-fn
			   (hilit-associate 'hilit-parser-alist m parse-fn))
		      (hilit-associate 'hilit-patterns-alist m patterns)))))
	    modelist)))

(defun hilit-add-pattern (pstart pend face &optional mode first)
  "Highlight pstart with face for the current major-mode.
Optionally, place the new pattern first in the pattern list"
  (interactive "sPattern start regex: \nsPattern end regex (default none)=
: \nxFace: ")

  (and (equal pstart "") (error "Must specify starting regex"))
  (cond ((equal pend "") (setq pend 0))
	((string-match "^[0-9]+$" pend) (setq pend (string-to-int pend))))
  (or mode (setq mode major-mode))
  (let ((old-patterns (cdr (assq mode hilit-patterns-alist)))
	(new-pat (list pstart pend face)))
    (cond ((not old-patterns)
	   (hilit-set-mode-patterns mode (list new-pat)))
	  (first
	   (setcdr old-patterns (cons new-pat (cdr old-patterns))))
	  (t =

	   (nconc old-patterns (list new-pat)))))
  (and (interactive-p) (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)))

(defun hilit-string-find (qchar)
  "looks for a string and returns (start . end) or NIL.  The argument QCH=
AR
is the character that would precede a character constant double quote.
Finds strings delimited by double quotes.  The first double quote may not=
 be
preceded by QCHAR and the closing double quote may not be preceded by an =
odd
number of backslashes."
  (let (st en)
    (while (and (search-forward "\"" nil t)
		(eq qchar (char-after (1- (setq st (match-beginning 0)))))))
    (while (and (search-forward "\"" nil t)
		(save-excursion
		  (setq en (point))
		  (forward-char -1)
		  (skip-chars-backward "\\\\")
		  (forward-char 1)
		  (not (zerop (% (- en (point)) 2))))))
    (and en (cons st en))))    =


;; return types on same line...
;; ("^[a-zA-z].*\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[=
^)]*)+" nil defun)

;; On another note, a working pattern for grabbing function definitions f=
or C is
;; =

;; ("^[a-zA-Z_]+.*[;{]$" nil ForestGreen)  ; global defns ( start at col =
1 )
;; ("^[a-zA-Z_]+.*(" ")" defun)
;; ; defuns assumed to start at col 1, not with # or {
;; =

;; this will make external declarations/definitions green, and function
;; definitions the defun face.  Hmmm - seems to work for me anyway.

(let ((comments     '(("/\\*" "\\*/" comment)))
      (c++-comments '(("//.*$" nil comment)
		      ("^/.*$" nil comment)))
      (strings      '((hilit-string-find ?' string)))
      (preprocessor '(("^#[ \t]*\\(undef\\|define\\).*$" "[^\\]$" define)=

		      ("^#.*$" nil include))))

  (hilit-set-mode-patterns
   '(c-mode c++-c-mode elec-c-mode)
   (append
    comments strings preprocessor
    '(
      ;; function decls are expected to have types on the previous line
      ("^\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+"=
 nil defun)
      ("^\\(typedef\\|struct\\|union\\|enum\\).*$" nil decl)
      ;; datatype -- black magic regular expression
      ("[ \n\t({]\\(\\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\|unsigned\\|extern\\|=
static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|char\\=
|short\\|int\\|long\\|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|enum\\)\\([ \t]+\\(\\=
w\\|[$_]\\)*\\)\\)\\)\\(\\s +\\*+)?\\|[ \n\t;()]\\)" nil type)
      ;; key words
      ("[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\\|b=
reak\\|continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\)\\>[^_]" 1 keyword)
      )))

  (hilit-set-mode-patterns
   'c++-mode
   (append
    comments c++-comments strings preprocessor
    '(
      ;; function decls are expected to have types on the previous line
      ("^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+::\\)?\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]=
\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun)
      ("^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+[ \t]*::[ \t]*\\)?\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\|ope=
rator.*\\)\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun)
      ("^\\(friend\\|template\\|typedef\\|struct\\|union\\|class\\|enum\\=
|public\\|private\\|protected\\).*$" nil decl)
      ;; datatype -- black magic regular expression
      ("[ \n\t({]\\(\\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\|unsigned\\|extern\\|=
static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|char\\=
|short\\|int\\|long\\|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|enum\\|class\\)\\([ \=
t]+\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)*\\)\\)\\)\\(\\(\\s +\\*+)\\|\\(\\*+\\s +\\)\\)?\\|[ \=
n\t;()]\\)" nil type)
      ;; key words
      ("[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\\|b=
reak\\|continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\|public\\|protected\\|private\\|delet=
e\\|new\\)\\>[^_]"
       1 keyword))))
)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'vhdl-mode
 '(
   ("\\('.?'\\|'''\\)" nil string)
   (hilit-string-find ?' string)
   ("^--.*$" nil comment)
   ("\\s ?--.*$" nil comment)
   ("\\b'\\(base\\|left\\|right\\|high\\|l\\|ascending\\|image\\|value\\|=
pos\\|val\\|succ\\|pred\\|leftof\\|rightof\\|range\\|reverse_range\\|leng=
th\\|delayed\\|stable\\|quiet\\|transaction\\|event\\|active\\|last_event=
\\|last_active\\|last_value\\|driving\\|driving_value\\|behavior\\|struct=
ure\\|simple_name\\|instance_name\\|path_name\\)\\b" nil vhdlattr)
   ("\\b\\(boolean\\|character\\|bit\\|severity_level\\|integer\\|real\\|=
time\\|delay_length\\|natural\\|positive\\|string\\|bit_vector\\|file_ope=
n_kind\\|file_open_status\\)\\b" nil vhdltype)
   ("\\b\\(true\\|false\\|nul\\|soh\\|[es]tx\\|eot\\|enq\\|ack\\|[bd]el\\=
|bs\\|ht\\|vt\\|[lf]f\\|cr\\|so\\|si\\|dle\\|dc[1-4]\\|nak\\|syn\\|etb\\|=
can\\|em\\|sub\\|esc\\|[fgru]sp\\|c12[89]\\|c1[345][0-9]\\|note\\|warning=
\\|error\\|failure\\|fs\\|ps\\|ns\\|us\\|ms\\|sec\\|min\\|hr\\|read_mode\=
\|write_mode\\|append_mode\\|open_ok\\|status_error\\|name_error\\|mode_e=
rror\\)\\b" nil vhdlenum)
   ("\\b\\(use\\|package\\|body\\|library\\|configuration\\|entity\\|arch=
itecture\\)\\b" nil vhdldefun)
   ("\\b\\(constant\\|variable\\|procedure\\|function\\|signal\\|type\\|s=
ubtype\\|file\\|group\\|component\\|block\\|process\\)\\b" nil vhdldecl)
   ("\\b\\(abs\\|access\\|after\\|alias\\|all\\|and\\|array\\|assert\\|at=
tribute\\|begin\\|buffer\\|bus\\|case\\|disconnect\\|downto\\|else\\|elsi=
f\\|end\\|exit\\|for\\|generate\\|generic\\|guarded\\|if\\|impure\\|in\\|=
inertial\\|inout\\|is\\|label\\|linkage\\|literal\\|loop\\|map\\|mod\\|na=
nd\\|new\\|next\\|nor\\|not\\|null\\|of\\|on\\|open\\|or\\|others\\|out\\=
|port\\|postponed\\|pure\\|range\\|record\\|register\\|reject\\|rem\\|rep=
ort\\|return\\|rol\\|ror\\|select\\|severity\\|shared\\|sla\\|sll\\|sra\\=
|srl\\|then\\|to\\|transport\\|unaffected\\|units\\|until\\|wait\\|when\\=
|while\\|with\\|xnor\\|xor\\)\\b" nil vhdlkeyword)) nil 'case-insensitive=
)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'perl-mode
 '(("\\s #.*$" nil comment)
   ("^#.*$" nil comment)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\|\n\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("^\\(__....?__\\|\\s *\\sw+:\\)" nil label)
   ("^require.*$" nil include)
   ("^package.*$" nil decl)
   ("^\\s *sub\\s +\\(\\w\\|[_']\\)+" nil defun)
   ("\\b\\(do\\|if\\|unless\\|while\\|until\\|else\\|elsif\\|for\\|foreac=
h\\|continue\\|next\\|redo\\|last\\|goto\\|return\\|die\\|exit\\)\\b" nil=
 keyword)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'ada-mode
 '(;; comments
   ("--.*$" nil comment)
   ;; main structure
   ("[ \t\n]procedure[ \t]" "\\([ \t]\\(is\\|renames\\)\\|);\\)" glob-str=
uct)
   ("[ \t\n]task[ \t]" "[ \t]is" glob-struct)
   ("[ \t\n]function[ \t]" "return[ \t]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+[ \t]*\\(is\\|;\\|re=
names\\)" glob-struct)
   ("[ \t\n]package[ \t]" "[ \t]\\(is\\|renames\\)" glob-struct)
   ;; if there is nothing before "private", it is part of the structure
   ("^[ \t]*private[ \t\n]" nil glob-struct)
   ;; if there is no indentation before the "end", then it is most
   ;; probably the end of the package
   ("^end.*$" ";" glob-struct)
   ;; program structure -- "null", "delay" and "terminate" omitted
   ("[ \n\t]\\(in\\|out\\|select\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|when\\|and\\|or\\|n=
ot\\|accept\\|loop\\|do\\|then\\|elsif\\|else\\|for\\|while\\|exit\\)[ \n=
\t;]" nil struct)
   ;; block structure
   ("[ \n\t]\\(begin\\|end\\|declare\\|exception\\|generic\\|raise\\|retu=
rn\\|package\\|body\\)[ \n\t;]" nil struct)
   ;; type declaration
   ("^[ \t]*\\(type\\|subtype\\).*$" ";" decl)
   ("[ \t]+is record.*$" "end record;" decl)
   ;; "pragma", "with", and "use" are close to C cpp directives
   ("^[ \t]*\\(with\\|pragma\\|use\\)" ";" include)
   ;; nice for named parameters, but not so beautiful in case statements
   ("[A-Za-z_0-9.]+[ \t]*=3D>"   nil named-param)
   ;; string constants probably not everybody likes this one
   ("\"" ".*\"" string)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'fortran-mode
 '(("^[*Cc].*$" nil comment)
   ("'[^'\n]*'" nil string)
   ("\\(^[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|[ \t]continue[ \t\n]\\|format\\)" nil define)
   ("[ \t]\\(do\\|do[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|go[ \t]*to[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|end[ \t]*do\\=
|if\\|else[ \t]*if\\|then\\|else\\|end[ \t]*if\\)[ \t\n(]" nil define)
   ("[ \t]\\(call\\|program\\|subroutine\\|function\\|stop\\|return\\|end=
\\|include\\)[ \t\n]" nil include)
   ("[ \t]\\(parameter[\t\n ]*([^)]*)\\|data\\|save\\|common[ \t\n]*/[^/]=
*/\\)" =

    nil decl)
   ("^     ." nil type)
   ("implicit[ \t]*none" nil decl)
   ("\\([ \t]\\|implicit[ \t]*\\)\\(dimension\\|integer\\|real\\|double[ =
\t]*precision\\|character\\|logical\\|complex\\|double[ \t]*complex\\)\\(=
[*][0-9]*\\|[ \t\n]\\)" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(m2-mode modula-2-mode)
 '(("(\\*" "\\*)" comment)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)
   ("^[ \t]*PROCEDURE[ \t]+\\w+[^ \t(;]*" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(RECORD\\|ARRAY\\|OF\\|POINTER\\|TO\\|BEGIN\\|END\\|FOR\\|IF\\|=
THEN\\|ELSE\\|ELSIF\\|CASE\\|WHILE\\|DO\\|MODULE\\|FROM\\|RETURN\\|IMPORT=
\\|EXPORT\\|VAR\\|LOOP\\|UNTIL\\|\\DEFINITION\\|IMPLEMENTATION\\|AND\\|OR=
\\|NOT\\|CONST\\|TYPE\\|QUALIFIED\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns 'prolog-mode
 '(("/\\*" "\\*/" comment)
   ("%.*$" nil comment)
   (":-" nil defun)
   ("!" nil label)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\|\n\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("\\b\\(is\\|mod\\)\\b" nil keyword)
   ("\\(->\\|-->\\|;\\|=3D=3D\\|\\\\=3D=3D\\|=3D<\\|>=3D\\|<\\|>\\|=3D\\|=
\\\\=3D\\|=3D:=3D\\|=3D\\\.\\\.\\|\\\\\\\+\\)" nil decl)
   ("\\(\\\[\\||\\|\\\]\\)" nil include)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(
   LaTeX-mode japanese-LaTeX-mode SliTeX-mode
   japanese-SliTeX-mode FoilTeX-mode latex-mode
   )
 '(
   ;; comments
   ("[^\\]%.*$" nil comment)

   ;; the following two match \foo[xx]{xx} or \foo*{xx} or \foo{xx}
   ("\\\\\\(sub\\)*\\(paragraph\\|section\\)\\(\*\\|\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}"
    keyword)
   ("\\\\\\(chapter\\|part\\)\\(\*\\|\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}" keyword)
   ("\\\\footnote\\(mark\\|text\\)?{" "}" keyword)
   ("\\\\[a-z]+box" nil keyword)
   ("\\\\\\(v\\|h\\)space\\(\*\\)?{" "}" keyword)

   ;; (re-)define new commands/environments/counters
   ("\\\\\\(re\\)?new\\(environment\\|command\\){" "}" defun)
   ("\\\\new\\(length\\|theorem\\|counter\\){" "}" defun)

   ;; various declarations/definitions
   ("\\\\\\(setlength\\|settowidth\\|addtolength\\|setcounter\\|addtocoun=
ter\\)" nil define)
   ("\\\\\\(title\\|author\\|date\\|thanks\\){" "}" define)

   ("\\\\documentstyle\\(\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\|nofiles\\|includeonly\\){" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(raggedright\\|makeindex\\|makeglossary\\|maketitle\\)\\b" nil=

    decl)
   ("\\\\\\(pagestyle\\|thispagestyle\\|pagenumbering\\){" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(normalsize\\|small\\|footnotesize\\|scriptsize\\|tiny\\|large=
\\|Large\\|LARGE\\|huge\\|Huge\\)\\b" nil decl)
   ("\\\\\\(appendix\\|tableofcontents\\|listoffigures\\|listoftables\\)\=
\b"
    nil decl)
   ("\\\\\\(bf\\|em\\|it\\|rm\\|sf\\|sl\\|ss\\|tt\\)\\b" nil decl)

   ;; label-like things
   ("\\\\item\\(\\[[^]]*\\]\\)?" nil label)
   ("\\\\caption\\(\\[[^]]*\\]\\)?{" "}" label)

   ;; formulas
   ("\\\\("  "\\\\)" formula)                   ; \( \)
   ("\\\\\\[" "\\\\\\]" formula)                ; \[ \]
   ("[^$]\\($\\($[^$]*\\$\\|[^$]*\\)\\$\\)" 1 formula) ; '$...$' or '$$..=
=2E$$'
   =

   ;; things that bring in external files
   ("\\\\\\(include\\|input\\|bibliography\\){" "}" include)

   ;; "wysiwyg" emphasis -- these don't work with nested expressions
   ;; ("{\\\\\\(em\\|it\\|sl\\)" "}" italic)
   ;; ("{\\\\bf" "}" bold)

   ("``" "''" string)

   ;; things that do some sort of cross-reference
   ("\\\\\\(\\(no\\)?cite\\|\\(page\\)?ref\\|label\\|index\\|glossary\\){=
" "}" crossref)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'bibtex-mode
 '(;;(";.*$"			nil	comment)
   ("%.*$"			nil	comment)
   ("@[a-zA-Z]+"		nil	keyword)
   ("{[ \t]*[-a-z:_A-Z0-9]+,"	nil	label) ; is wrong sometimes
   ("^[ \t]*[a-zA-Z]+[ \t]*=3D"	nil	define)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'compilation-mode
 '(
   ("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: warning:.*$" nil warning)=

   ("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+:.*$" nil error)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'makefile-mode
 '(("^#.*$" nil comment)
   ("[^$]#.*$" nil comment)
   ;; rules
   ("^[^ \t\n]*%[^ \t\n]*[ \t]*::?[ \t]*[^ \t\n]*[ \t]*\\(#.*\\)?$" nil r=
ule)
   ("^[.][A-Za-z][A-Za-z]?\..*$" nil rule)
   ;; variable definition
   ("^[_A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*\+?=3D" nil define)
   ("\\( \\|:=3D\\)[_A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*\\+=3D" nil define)
   ;; variable references
   ("\\$\\([^ \t\n{(]\\|[{(]@?[_A-Za-z0-9:.,%/=3D]+[)}]\\)" nil keyword)
   ("^[A-Za-z0-9.,/_-]+[ \t]*:.*$" nil defun)
   ("^include " nil include)))

(let* ((header-patterns '(("^Subject:.*$" nil msg-subject)
			  ("^From:.*$" nil msg-from)
			  ("^--text follows this line--$" nil msg-separator)
			  ("^[A-Za-z][A-Za-z0-9-]+:" nil msg-header)))
       (body-patterns '(("^\\(In article\\|[ \t]*\\w*[]<>}|]\\).*$"
			 nil msg-quote)))
       (message-patterns (append header-patterns body-patterns)))
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'msg-header header-patterns)
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'msg-body body-patterns)
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns '(vm-mode text-mode mail-mode rmail-mode
			     gnus-article-mode news-reply-mode mh-show-mode)
			   message-patterns
			   'hilit-rehighlight-message))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'gnus-group-mode
 '(("^U.*$" nil gnus-group-unsubscribed)
   ("^ +[01]?[0-9]:.*$" nil gnus-group-empty)
   ("^ +[2-9][0-9]:.*$" nil gnus-group-full)
   ("^ +[0-9][0-9][0-9]+:.*$" nil gnus-group-overflowing)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'gnus-summary-mode
 '(("^D +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-seen)
   ("^K +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-killed)
   ("^X +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-Xed)
   ("^- +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-unread)
   ("^. +[0-9]+:\\+\\[.*$" nil summary-current)
   ("^  +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-new)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'vm-summary-mode
 '(("^   .*$" nil summary-seen)
   ("^->.*$" nil  summary-current)
   ("^  D.*$" nil summary-deleted)
   ("^  U.*$" nil summary-unread)
   ("^  N.*$" nil summary-new)))


;;; this will match only comments w/ an even (zero is even) number of quo=
tes...
;;; which is still inadequate because it matches comments in multi-line s=
trings
;;; how anal do you want to get about never highlighting comments in stri=
ngs?
;;; I could twiddle with this forever and still it wouldn't be perfect.
;;;   (";\\([^\"\n]*\"[^\"\n]*\"\\)*[^\"\n]*$" nil comment)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(emacs-lisp-mode lisp-interaction-mode)
 '(
   (";.*" nil comment)

;;; This almost works...but I think I'll stick with the parser function =

;;;("[^?]\\(\"\\(\"\\||\\([^\"]+\\|[\\]\\([\\][\\]\\)*\"\\)*\"\\)\\)" 1 s=
tring)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)

   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|alias\\|subst\\)[ \t\n]"
    "\\()\\|nil\\)" defun)
   ("^\\s *(defvar\\s +\\S +" nil decl)
   ("^\\s *(defconst\\s +\\S +" nil define)
   ("^\\s *(\\(provide\\|require\\|\\(auto\\)?load\\).*$" nil include)
   ("\\s *\\&\\(rest\\|optional\\)\\s *" nil keyword)
   ("(\\(let\\*?\\|cond\\|if\\|or\\|and\\|map\\(car\\|concat\\)\\|prog[n1=
*]?\\|while\\|lambda\\|function\\|set\\([qf]\\|car\\|cdr\\)?\\|nconc\\|ev=
al-when-compile\\|condition-case\\|unwind-protect\\|catch\\|throw\\|error=
\\)[ \t\n]" 1 keyword)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(lisp-mode ilisp-mode)
 '(
   (";.*" nil comment)
   ("#|" "|#" comment)
;;; This almost works...but I think I'll stick with the parser function =

;;;("[^?]\\(\"\\(\"\\||\\([^\"]+\\|[\\]\\([\\][\\]\\)*\"\\)*\"\\)\\)" 1 s=
tring)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)

   ;; this is waaaaaaaay too slow
   ;;   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|alias\\|method\\|subst\\)\\s=
 \\S +[ \t\n]+\\(nil\\|(\\(([^()]*)\\|[^()]+\\)*)\\)" nil defun)
   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|subst\\|method\\)\\s " "\\()\\|ni=
l\\)" defun)

   ("^\\s *(\\(def\\(var\\|type\\|parameter\\)\\|declare\\)\\s +\\S +" ni=
l decl)
   ("^\\s *(def\\(const\\(ant\\)?\\|class\\|struct\\)\\s \\S +[ \t\n]+\\(=
(\\(([^()]*)\\|[^()]+\\)*)\\)?" nil define)
   ("^\\s *(\\(provide\\|require\\|\\(auto\\)?load\\).*$" nil include)
   ("[ \t]\\&\\(key\\|rest\\|optional\\|aux\\)\\s *" nil keyword)
   ("(\\(let\\*?\\|locally\\|cond\\|if\\*?\\|or\\|and\\|map\\(car\\|c[ao]=
n\\)?\\|prog[nv1*]?\\|while\\|when\\|unless\\|do\\(\\*\\|list\\|times\\)\=
\|lambda\\|function\\|values\\|set\\([qf]\\|car\\|cdr\\)?\\|rplac[ad]\\|n=
conc\\|block\\|go\\|return\\(-from\\)?\\|[ec]?\\(type\\)?case\\|multiple-=
value-\\(bind\\|setq\\|list\\|call\\|prog1\\)\\|unwind-protect\\|handler-=
case\\|catch\\|throw\\|eval-when\\(-compile\\)?\\)[ \t\n]" 1 keyword)
   ))


(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'plain-tex-mode
 '(("^%%.*$" nil comment)
   ("{\\\\em\\([^}]+\\)}" nil comment)
   ("\\(\\\\\\w+\\)" nil keyword)
   ("{\\\\bf\\([^}]+\\)}" nil keyword)
   ("^[ \t\n]*\\\\def[\\\\@]\\(\\w+\\)" nil defun)
   ("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\){\\([A-Za-z0-9\\*]+\\)}" nil defun)
   ;; ("[^\\\\]\\$\\([^$]*\\)\\$" nil string)
   ("\\$\\([^$]*\\)\\$" nil string)
   ))

;; Reasonable extensions would include smarter parameter handling for suc=
h
;; things as the .IX and .I macros, which alternate the handling of follo=
wing
;; arguments.

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'nroff-mode
 '(("^\\.[\\\][\\\"].*$" nil comment)
   ("^\\.so .*$" nil include)
   ("^\\.[ST]H.*$" nil defun)
;;   ("^[^\\.].*\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("\"" "[^\\]\"" string)
   ("^\\.[A-Z12\\\\].*$" nil define)
   ("\\([\\\][^ ]*\\)" nil keyword)
   ("^\\.[A-Z].*$" nil keyword))
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'texinfo-mode
 '(("^\\(@c\\|@comment\\)\\>.*$" nil comment)
   ("@\\(emph\\|strong\\|b\\|i\\){[^}]+}" nil comment)
;; seems broken
;; ("\\$[^$]*\\$" nil string)
   ("@\\(file\\|kbd\\|key\\){[^}]+}" nil string)
   ("^\\*.*$" nil defun)
   ("@\\(if\\w+\\|format\\|item\\)\\b.*$" nil defun)
   ("@end +[A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*$" nil defun)
   ("@\\(samp\\|code\\|var\\){[^}]+}" nil defun)
   ("@\\w+\\({[^}]+}\\)?" nil keyword)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'dired-mode
 (append
  '(("^D.*$"  nil dired-deleted)
   ("^\\*.*$" nil dired-marked)
   ("^  d.*$" nil dired-directory)
   ("^  l.*$" nil dired-link)
   ("^  -.*#.*#$" nil dired-ignored))
  (list (cons
	 (concat "^  .*\\("
		 (mapconcat 'regexp-quote completion-ignored-extensions "\\|")
		 "\\)$")
	 '(nil dired-ignored)))))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'jargon-mode
 '(("^:[^:]*:" nil jargon-entry)
   ("{[^}]*}+" nil jargon-xref)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'Info-mode
 '(("^\\* [^:]+:+" nil jargon-entry)
   ("\\*[Nn]ote\\b[^:]+:+" nil jargon-xref)
   ("  \\(Next\\|Prev\\|Up\\):" nil jargon-xref)
   ("- \\(Variable\\|Function\\|Macro\\|Command\\|Special Form\\|User Opt=
ion\\):.*$"
    nil jargon-keyword)))	; lisp manual

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'calendar-mode
 '(("[A-Z][a-z]+ [0-9]+" nil define)	; month and year
   ("S  M Tu  W Th  F  S" nil label)	; week days
   ("[0-9]+\\*" nil defun)		; holidays
   ("[0-9]+\\+" nil comment)		; diary days
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'pascal-mode
 '(("(\\*" "\\*)" comment)
   ("{" "}" comment)
   ;; Doesn't work when there are strings in comments....
   ;; ("'[^']*'" nil string)
   ("^#.*$" nil include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(procedure\\|function\\)[ \t]+\\w+[^ \t(;]*" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(program\\|begin\\|end\\)\\>" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(external\\|forward\\)\\>" nil include)
   ("\\<\\(label\\|const\\|type\\|var\\)\\>" nil define)
   ("\\<\\(record\\|array\\|file\\)\\>" nil type)
   ("\\<\\(of\\|to\\|for\\|if\\|then\\|else\\|case\\|while\\|do\\|until\\=
|and\\|or\\|not\\|with\\|repeat\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'icon-mode
 '(("#.*$" nil comment)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\.[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ;; charsets: these do not work because of a conflict with strings
   ;; ("'[^\\']*\\(\\\\.[^\\']*\\)*'" nil string)
   ("^[ \t]*procedure[ \t]+\\w+[ \t]*(" ")" defun)
   ("^[ \t]*record.*(" ")" include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(global\\|link\\)[ \t\n]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\([ \t\n]*,[ \t\n]*[=
A-Za-z_0-9]+\\)*" nil include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(local\\|static\\)[ \t\n]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\([ \t\n]*,[ \t\n]*=
[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\)*" nil decl)
   ("\\<\\(initial\\|end\\)\\>" nil glob-struct)
   ("\\<\\(while\\|until\\|return\\|every\\|if\\|then\\|else\\|to\\|case\=
\|of\\|suspend\\|create\\|do\\|repeat\\|break\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   ))

;; as you can see, I had two similar problems for Pascal and Icon. In
;; Pascal, strings are delimited with ' and an embedded quote is doubled,=

;; thus string syntax would be extremely simple. However, if a string
;; occurs within a comment, the following text is considered a string.
;; =

;; In Icon, strings are similar to C ones, but there are also charsets,
;; delimited with simple quotes. I could not manage to use both regexps a=
t
;; the same time.

;; The problem I have with my patterns for Icon is that this language has=
 a
;; string similar constant to the C one (but a string can be cut on sever=
al
;; lines, if terminated by a dash and continued with initial blanks, like=

;; this:
;;         "This is a somewhat long -
;;          string, written on three -
;;          succesive lines"
;; in order to insert a double quote in a string, you have to escape it
;; with a \), bu also a character set constant (named a charset), which
;; uses single quotes instead of double ones. It would seem intuitive to
;; highlight both constants in the same way.


(provide 'hilit19)

;;; hilit19 ends here.

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>>>>> "Graham" == Graham Todd <free@anti.com> writes:

Graham> Hello all,
Graham> After searches of various ftp directories 
Graham> I still can't locate a couple of lisp 
Graham> packages that I want to update.  Specifically
Graham> the latest versions of w3 and pop3.  

The w3 home page is at:
	http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html

The pop3 package is part of the current experimental version of Gnus
	ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/
code named `Red Gnus'.

Graham> The "Welcome to Gnuscape" home page mentions version 3.0 of w3
Graham> but only has links to version 2.* packages.  Is 3.0 beta and
Graham> thus not widely available?

That is correct.  The betas are at:
	ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3/.betas/

Use at your own risk.

Graham> I couldn't get vm-pop.el to work properly so I dumped it upon
Graham> hearing of pop3.el ... but where is it?  Is pop3.el a
Graham> 'project' for 19.15 or is it a working package?

It is a project for Gnus 5.4/5.5 aka Red Gnus, which will be added to
XEmacs as soon as its author is ready to have it replace 5.2.

Red Gnus is currently alpha code and changing frequently.  I've used
it daily for several months now, but it is still recommended only for
the brave.
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>*sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!  I'm
>objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.  there's a sizable
>minority who do not prefer the "modern" user interfaces, but who are being
>neglected because obnoxious GUI fanatics such as Steven Jones can't handle
>blahblah blah

Look, XEmacs, just like the Emacs it branched from, does not force you
to use colors.  In fact, by default I think you don't get syntax
highlighting.

Yes, some packages come up with icons and colors by default.  This is
because for the majority of users, this is what is wanted.  You
solution seems to be, use no enhancements if at least one user does
not want them.  This is absurd.  Should GNUS pop up a window asking if
you want enhancements or not the first time it is run?  If so, then
you should go write it (thus supporting the free software model of
supplying code rather than whining about it).  Or perhaps VM should
start with a disclaimer that "Some people do not want to use icons or
colors, if you wish to use these novice features, you must first learn
to Emacs Lisp, at which point you won't be a nogice so it's all moot
anyway".

You can make XEmacs look identical to GNU Emacs (oops, I meant to say
Emacs) from a user interface perspective.

>well, I _implicitly_ speak for all humans when I say: "hold it!  we're all
>unique!  you can't speak about universal preferences."  if you object to
>this, it's like the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Brian
>shouts "you're all unique!" and someone shouts "I'm not!".

People are not identical, yes, that's true and I stand by that myself
quite strongly.  But XEmacs is not like Windows, you can change it
from being novice friendly to being expert friendly.  You however, are
wanting to treat everyone identical by denying features that you
personally don't want even though you aren't forced to use them.  But
just because everyone is unique doesn't mean that there aren't
features that a majority of users want.

If in the name of uniqueness we reduce Emacs to the lowest common
denominator, we have nothing less.  If everyone is a prime number,
there is no lowest common denominator.  We might as well not have an
Emacs at all, since someone somewhere may not like its defaults!
That's the reason you don't like XEmacs with icons and colors, because
they're sometimes the default!  Get real, and stop with all this
arrogance.  XEmacs is not on a holy war against you personally, your
views are supported just fine.  XEmacs developers are working hard,
just like Emacs developers, to make an improved product that allows
unique people to use it their own way, and they don't need someone
with who is also working towards the same goal to stab them in the
back.  This would be an American soldier attacking the Brits in WWII
instead of going after the Nazi's.

(there I said, Nazi, the thread must end)

-- 
Darin Johnson
darin@connectnet.com


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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Price <pprice@fc.hp.com> writes:

Paul> I have moved from the OS2 world to unix. I have tried to use vi
Paul> for several months, but I just don't like it. I am looking at
Paul> xemacs now, but am not pleased with the complex key
Paul> combinations. What I really want is to configure it to use the
Paul> keystrokes I was used to in epm. Does anyone know if someone has
Paul> already done these key mappings? I looked in several FAQs with
Paul> little success.

I doubt it.  This is the first I've heard of `epm'.

Paul> If you can point me in a good direction, please email me at the
Paul> address below. Thanks!

Take a look at the wordstar mode (M-x locate-library ws-mode) in the
distribution, and adapt it for epm.
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Hi. there!  
I just downloaded and installed Xemacs-19.14.  
While I was enjoying the various features in Xemacs, I ran into 
some problems in abbrev-mode.  After I envoke 'M-x abbrev-mode', 
I checked the buffer '*Abbrevs*' through 'M-x list-abbrevs'.  
There are some default-defined abbrevs under '(fortran-mode-abbrev-table)' 
in the fortran-mode but nothing else under ("others"-mode-abbrev-table).  
The default-defined abbrevs in the fortran-mode are working fine.  
Then I tried to define my own abbrevs using 'C-x a g' or 'C-x a l', and  
I checked the new defined abbrev list in the buffer '*Abbrevs*'.  
However, those new defined abbrevs didn't work at all. (I made sure the 
abbrev-mode on.)  So I tried to define the abbrevs in the file 
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	(setq-default abbrev-mode t)
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After I reran the Xemacs, abbrev-mode was turned on automatically, but 
'M-x list-abbrevs' shows just the default one not the one I redefined.  
I don't know what's goning on here.  I would like to use my own abbrevs.  
I really appreciate if someone can help me.  Note that I just started to 
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how to use cleverly Xemacs.  Thanks.

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Christopher Davis wrote:
> 
> EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
> 
>  EN> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
>  EN> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
>  EN> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
>  EN> -p convention for a _variable_?)
> 
> I don't know who put it in originally, but etc/NEWS does note that it's a
> feature that was added in Lucid Emacs 19.9.  19.9 is *very* old, though
> (unfortunately) there's no really good way to calibrate the date; it's of
> roughly the vintage of VM 5.40 (also included in that release), though.

I implemented it, some time between 6 Sep 1993 and 29 Dec 1993.

I intentionally kept this secret from RMS for nearly two years on
direct orders of the Gray High Council at Beta Reticuli.  Also,
they threatened to cut off my NSA slush-fund money if I kept precise
changelogs.  Now the truth can be known at last.

By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since the 
dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.  ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*.
UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.  Where've you been?

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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From: rherwadk@us.oracle.com (Rahul V. Herwadkar)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: HELP WITH XEMACS 19.14
Date: 12 Nov 1996 22:56:33 GMT
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 I find Xemacs 19.14 to be different from 19.13 in the foll ways:

[1] Menubar "Help" Title:
    ---------------------
    In Xemacs 19.13 I always used to have a "Help" title in the
    menubar no matter what I had in my buffer viz. a C file, a shell,
    an Lisp file and so on.
    With Xemcs 19.14 the "Help" title gets replaced depending on
    what I have in my buffer viz. if I have a shell, the "Help"
    title is replaced by a "Comint1" title.
    How do I get the Xemacs 19.13 behavior towards the "Help" title
    in Xemacs 19.14? In other words, I don't want the "Help" menu
    title to be replaced.

[2] C file fontification:
    ---------------------
    In Xemacs 19.13 I could extend the list of keywords to be fontified
    by appending to the variable c-font-lock-keywords e.g.

    (let ((storage "CONST")
	(prefixes "reg")
	(types "word")
	)
    (setq c-font-lock-keywords 
	  (append c-font-lock-keywords-2
		  (list
		   (cons (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" storage "\\)\\>")
			 'font-lock-type-face)
		   (list (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" types "\\)\\>")
			 1 'font-lock-type-face)
		   (list (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" prefixes "\\)\\>")
			 1 'font-lock-type-face)
		   ))))

    would add "CONST", "reg" and "word" to the list of C keywords to
    be fontified.
    But this no longer seems to work in 19.14. Does anybody know
    why??

-------------------------
- Rahul V. Herwadkar
  rherwadk@us.oracle.com

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From: Eric Berg <eberg@sybase.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? Who cares!!! Can some insane people shutup and stop this mud slinging ???
Date: 12 Nov 1996 14:18:25 -0800
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Yeah!  Can that crap!

Erik likes Emacs and Al likes XEmacs.  Great.

Now back to USING the beast.  Okay, guys?

-Eric.


saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in (Saifi) writes:

> 
 > 
 > Hi
 > 
 > 	What Joel writes is completely true and I request people on this 
 > mailing list to voice their concern so that Erik et' al atleast realize 
 > that what they are doing is not the right thing to do.
 > 
 > 	If they have to be rude they can write mails to each other rather 
 > than mailing !!! SHIT !!! on this mailing list.
 > 
 > --Saifi
 > 
 > ------>>>
 > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Joel Shapiro wrote:
 > 
 > > 
 > > Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
 > > childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
 > > themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
 > > constructive line of discussion . . .
 > > 
 > > 
 > 

-- 

-----------------------------
Eric Berg, <eberg@sybase.com>
Web Developer, Sybase, Inc. 
http://www-es1.sybase.com

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From: Bill Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
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Subject: XEmacs vs. Emacs [was: Standard solution for the problem of filling text with '>'s in it?]
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Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu> writes:
> 
> RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage 
> that XEmacs had pover Emacs was variable width fonts ...
> Does anyone have more up-to-date info? 

See "SUBJECT: Q1.0.4 WHY ANOTHER VERSION OF EMACS" in the XEmacs FAQ:

http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

-Bill Dubuque

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From: Anthony LoRusso <alorusso@baynetworks.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: verilog add-on
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:56:45 -0500
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I'm looking for a macro(s) or "add-on" for xemacs for
verilog code generation.

-- 
Anthony J. LoRusso		Bay Networks, Inc.
direct: 508-916-7881		3 Federal Street
fax:    508-670-8153		BL3-04
alorusso@baynetworks.com	Billerica, MA 01821

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From: Mark Hood <hood@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:
> If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
> is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in not
> CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
> better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?

The best computer game ever written is Nethack, and the preferred interface
is the keyboard and text output.  Doom is fun for about 10 minutes; Nethack
is a life-long obsession :)

I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors and
inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).

I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from some
sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

-- Mark Hood

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Loosing connection with GNUS completely freezes Xemacs
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Hello all, 

I run Linux and  connect to my provider with pppd
to read news get mail etc.  During peak hours if my 
connection isn't active for a certain period I am 
automatically disconnected by the provider.  The problem
is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting 
causes my entire xemacs session to freeze up.  I have to destroy the 
window and restart Xemacs.   I'm not clear on how nntp is 
implemented or how to configure xemacs to be more `robust'
on disconnects.  Other clients (Netscape, Lynx etc have no 
problem and I simply reload the page or newsgroup after connecting).
This is somewhat dismaying since I want to set up diald
for on demand connection - if GNUS cant' handle it I will be
.... uhhh ... forlorn.

The problem not occur if the connection goes down while using 
W3 - only GNUS. I'm thinking it has to do with how I receive 
news articles.  Can anyone suggest anything or see something
obvious below?

Thanks,

G. Todd

----------------------------------
System Info:
Pentium 100 64 megs ram
kernel 1.2.13
xemacs 19.14, GNUS 5.2.25, nntp 4.0, nnfolder 1.0
pppd  2.1.2

webart@ellerbeck$: ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs

	libXm.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libXm.so.2
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.0
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Relevant section of ~/.emacs file:

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This works for VM might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now 

 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The follwing two lines were needed to 
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS  
 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")  
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")
;;GNUS server configuration
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca")) 
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)


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From: reefmaker <ethiel@mhv.net>
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Subject: easy honest monet
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     THE PROCESS IS VERY SIMPLE,AND IT CONSISTS OF 3 EASY STEPS:
STEP 1:   GET 5 SEPERATE PIECES OF PAPER AND WRITE THE FOLLOWING
ONEACH SHEET OF PAPER...,"PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.YOU ARE
#4."GET FIVE(5) $1 DOLLAR BILLS AND PLACE ONE(1) INSIDE EACH PIECE OF
PAPERTHAT YOU JUST WROTE ON,AND FOLD EACH PIECE OF PAPER SO THE BILL
WILL NOT BE SEEN IN THE ENVELOPE. PUT ONE PAPER INSIDE THE ENVELOPE
AND SEAL IT.DO THE SAME FOR ALL 5. YOU SHOULD NOW HAVE 5 ENVELOPES
SEALED,EACH WITHA PIECE OF PAPER AND A 1$ BILL .MAKE SURE THOSE
WORDS THAT WERE STATEDABOVE ARE STATED ON EACH PAPER. WHAT YOU
ARE DOING IS CREATING A SERVICE BY THIS, THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL. NOW
THEN,MAIL THE 5 ENVELOPES WITHTHE PAPER AND 1$ TO THE FOLLOWING 5
ADRESSES:(REMEMBER THESE ARE REALPEOPLELIKE YOU AND I)
     


1.EW TAYLOR    
  1913 WEST AVE.    
  LINWOOD,NJ 08221  

2.FERNANDO RAPOSO   
  RUA 1 DE MAIO,35  
  7780 CASTRO VERDE 
  PORTUGAL     

3.ROBERT BECKMAN
  6 HERETAUNGA AVE. 
  AUKLAND   NEW ZEALAND  

4.AARON W. ROBINSON 
  947 IGLEHART AVE.   
  ST.PAUL, MN 55104 

5.JOSHUA THIEL  
 3111 RT.209     
KINGSTON ,NY 12401

STEP 2: NOW TAKE THE #1 NAME OFF THE LIST THAT YOU SEE ABOVE,MOVE
THEOTHER 4 NAMES UP(5 BECOMING 4,4 TO 3.ETC.) AND PUT YOUR NAME AT
NUMBER 5 ONTHE LIST. YOU CAN SLIGHTLY ALTER THIS ARTICLE IF YOU NEED
TO EDIT.SPICE ITUPIF IT WORKS ,THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL AT!

STEP 3: POST YOUR AMENDED ARTICLE(WITH YOUR NAME AT #5) TO AT LEAST
200NEWSGROUPS ( I THINK THERE ARE CLOSE TO 18000).ALL YOU NEED IS SAY
ATLEAST200

.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ NETSCAPE 3.0 INSTRUCTIONS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$HOW TO DO
THIS: IF YOU HAVE NETSCAPE 3.0 DO EXACTLY THE FOLLOWING:
1) CLICK ON ANY NEWS GROUP LIKE NORMAL, THEN CLICK ON 'TO NEWS',WHICH
IS ON THE FAR LEFT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE NEWSGROUPS PAGE.THIS
WILLBRINGUP A BOX TO TYPE A MESSAGE IN.

2) LEAVE THE NEWSGROUP BOX LIKE IT IS ,CHANGE THE SUBJECT BOX TO
SOMETHING FLASHY LIKE ,"NEED CASH $$$",READ HERE $$$, OR FAST
CASH!!EVEN SOMETHING LIKE "HONEST CASH FROM THE NET!"

3) TAB ONCE AND YOU SHOULD BE READY TO TYPE. NOW, RETYPE(ONLY
ONCE)THIS WHOLE ARTICLE WORD FOR WORD,EXCEPT TO INSERT YOUR NAME
AT #5,ANDTO REMOVE #1,PLUS ANY SMALL CHANGES YOU NEED TO MAKE.
KEEP ALMOST ALL OFIT THE SAME!

4) WHEN YOU'RE DONE TYPING THE WHOLE ARTICLE,CLICK ON FILE IN THIS
BOX RIGHT ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST
BOX.CLICKON 'SAVE AS' WHEN YOU'RE UNDER FILE. SAVE YOU'RE ARTICLE AS
TEXT FILE TOYOUR C: OR A: DRIVE. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE
UNTIL YOU DO THIS! ONCE SAVED, MOVE ON TO #5 BELOW.

5) IF YOU STILL HAVE ALL OF YOUR TEXT, SEND OR POST TO THIS NEWSGROUP
NOW BY JUST CLICKING SEND, WHICH IS RIGHT BELOW FILE, AND RIGHT ABOVE
Cc:.

6) HERE'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO POST TO ALL 200. OK,CLICK ON ANY NEWS 
GROUP THEN CLICK ON 'TO NEWS',AGAIN IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
LEAVE THE NEWSGROUPS BOX ALONE AGAIN,PUT A FLASHY SUBJECT TITLE IN
THE SUBJECT BOX,HIT TAB ONCE YOU'RE IN THE BODY OF THE MESAGE,AND
THEN CLICK ON ATTACHMENTS',WHICH IS BELOW THE SUBJECT BOX. .YOU
WILL GET ANOTHER BOX TO COME UP. CLICK ON ATTACH 
FILE,AND THEN CLICK 'OPEN' NOW CLICK ON OK; IF YOU DID THIS RIGHT
,YOU SHOULD SEE YOUR FILE NAME IN THE ATTACHMENTS BOX,AND IT WILL 
BE SHADED GREEN.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MS EXPLORER INSTRUCTIONS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY....HOLDING DOWN THE
LEFT MOUSE BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRESS THE "CTRL"
KEY AND THE "C" KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THIS ARTICLE. THEN 
PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR YOUR RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES YOU WILL 
BE SENDING 1$ BILLS TO. NEXT GO TO THE NEWSGROUPS AND PRESS "POST
AN ARTICLE". A WINDOW WILL OPEN. TYPE YOUR HEADLINE IN THE 
IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK IN THE LARGE WINDOW
BELOW. PRESS"CTRL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL BE PLACED
IN THE WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE,DO SO AND 
THEN HIGHLIGHT AND COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERYTIME YOU POST
THE ARTICLE IN A NEWSGROUP YOU ONLY HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND
"V" AND PRESS POST.

7) THAT'S IT. EACH TIME YOU DO THIS,ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
IS TYPE IN A DIFFERENT NEWSGROUP,SO THAT WAY, IT POST TO 
200 DIFFERENT NEWSGROUPS, YOU SEE? NOW YOU JUST HAVE 199 TO GO!!
(DON'T WORRY EACH ONE TAKES ABOUT 30 SEC.,ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT)
REMEMBER 200 IS THE MINIMUM. THE MORE YOU POST TO THE 
MORE MONEY YOU MAKE.

AND THAT'S IT!!!!THAT'S THE ONLY 3 STEPS THERE ARE!!!

  YOU ARE NOW IN THE MAIL ORDER BUSINESS AND WILL START 
GETTING 1$ ENVELOPES FROM VARIOUS PEPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WIHIN
DAYS. HINT: THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO THE MORE MONEY
YOU MAKE!! YOU MAY WANT TO RENT A PO BOX EVENTUALLY BECAUSE
OF ALL THE MAIL. JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT,
PLEASE!


       LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!!!!

  OUT OF EVERY 200 POSTINGS, LRT'S SAY I ONLY RECEIVE 5 REPLYS,
WHICH IS VERY LOW. SO I MADE 5$ WITH MY NAME AT #5.NOW THEN,
EACH PERSON WHO JUST SENT ME 1$ MAKES ,SAY ONLY 200 POSTINGS,
NOW WITH YOUR NAME AT #4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS,
NOT INCLUDING YOURS TOO. 50 PEOPLE SEND YOU 1$ NOW;THAT'S $50
YOU JUST MADE! NOW,THEN YOUR 50 NEW AGENTS POST 200 EACH WITH
YOUR NAME AT #3,OR 10,000 POSTINGS(50 X 200). AVERAGE RETURN
IS 500 AT $1 = $500. THEY MAKE 200 POSTINGS,WHICH IS 5000 RETURNS 
AT $1 = $5,000!!! AND FINALLY , 5000 PEOPLE MAKE 200 POSTINGS
WITH YOUR NAME AT #1. YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE
YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST. AND THET'S IF EVERYONE 
ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS,AND IF ONLY 5 PERSONS RESPOND!!!!!

     WHEN YOUR NAME IS NO LONGER ON THE LIST,YOU JUST TAKE 
THE LATEST POSTING THAT IS APPEARING IN THE NEWSGROUPS,AND SEND
OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES ON THE LIST,PUTTING YOUR NAME AT 5
AGAIN. AND START POSTING AGAIN. THE THING TO REMEMBER IS,DO
REALIZE THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE 
INTERNET AND READING THESE ARTICLES EVERY DAY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE 
DOING RIGHT NOW !!!SO CAN YOU AFFORD $5 DOLLARS TO SEE IF THIS 
REALLY WORKS?I THINK SO....
     
     THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME, WHEN WE HAVE A WORLD FULL OF 
PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO GET WIRED, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE 
BEST WAYS TO MAKE MONEY BECAUSE IT IS STILL NEW AND FRESH
TO THE PEOPLE GETTING ON THE NET AND EVEN MANY SEASONED NET 
CRUISERS LOOKING TO MAKE AN HONEST DOLLAR.ONE OF MY FRIENDS
ASKED ME HOW THIS ISN'T PLAYED OUT. I ANSWERED HIM WITH THE FACT
THAT
NEW USERS ARE RUSHING TO GET ON THE NET EVERY DAY,AND THEY ARE ALL 
FINDING THE WEB,AND NEWSGROUPS WHEN THEY GET ON.HOW MANY DO YOU
THINK
ARE HONEST PEOPLE AND HONEST USERS WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE THIS A
TRY. EVEN LOW ESTIMATES ARE THAT 10,000 TO 25,000 NEW USERS ARE
JOINING ONTO THE NET,AND LITERALLY THOUSANDS WILL BE JOINING TO
READ
NEWSGROUPS. REMEMBER, PLAY FAIRLY AND HONESTLY AND THIS WILL WORK
,I PROMISE YOU!!! YOU JUST HAVE TO BE HONEST. MAKE SURE YOU PRINT
THIS ARTICLE OUT RIGHT NOW,ALSO,TRY TO KEEP A LIST OF EVERYONE
WHOM SENDS YOU MONEYAND ALWAYS KEEP AN EYE ON THE NEWSGROUPS
TTO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS PLAYING FAIRLY. REMEMBER,HONESTY IS THE 
BEST POLICY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE 
MONEY!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL AND PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY AND YOU WILL
REAP THE HUGE REWARDS FROM THIS, WHICH IS TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!!


     ****BY THE WAY,IF YOU TRY TO DECEIVE PEOPLE BY POSTING
THE MESSAGES WITH YOUR NAME ON THE LIST AND NOT SENDING THE MONEY
TO THE PEOPLE ALREADY ON THE LIST ,YOU WILL NOT GET MUCH. I READ
SOMEWHERE THAT SOMEONE DID THAT AND HE ONLY MADE $150 DOLLARS,
AND THAT'S 7 OR 8 WEEKS! IT JUST DOESN'T WORK W/O THE INVESTMENT.
AFTER HE SENT THE $1 DOLLAR BILLS,PEOPLE ADDED HIM TO THEIR LISTS,
AND IN 4-5 WEEKS HE MADE OVER $10,000. THIS IS THE FAIREST AND HONEST 
WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD W/O COSTING
ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME!!!!!!

     
     THANKS,AND REALLY BELIEVE THIS ONE,IT WORKS.  

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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>>>>> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>:

> By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since the 
> dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.  ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*.
> UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.  Where've you been?

And here I've been thinking all this time, that it signified
"predicate"...  Silly me!


- Steinar

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: info - how to read info files in my home dir??
Date: 12 Nov 1996 23:28:18 -0700
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hi,

i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
heck do i do this?

thanks,

- -pjf
- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
			  finger for PGP key
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@trym.ifi.uio.no>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Loosing connection with GNUS completely freezes Xemacs
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Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

> The problem is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting
> causes my entire xemacs session to freeze up.  I have to destroy the
> window and restart Xemacs.

If `C-g' doesn't help at all, it sounds like an XEmacs bug to me.

> The problem not occur if the connection goes down while using 
> W3 - only GNUS. 

Well, w3 is almost never connected to anything -- http is a
connectionless protocol.

-- 
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Mark Hood <hood@eng.sun.com> writes:

> Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:
> > If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
> > is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in no=
t
> > CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
> > better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?

Well, at least watching it being played gets my stomach involved quite
a bit more.

> I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors a=
nd
> inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
> mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
> hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).

Yes, but for *learning* users colors, mouses, menus etc. are helpful.
Emacs is near to unusable for newbies, unless they vigorously plan to
invest a lot of time to *first* become an adept of Emacs, *then* a
user of it.  One does not get hooked easily to a tool if every time
you try it you totally f*** up.  I know a good programmer and computer
scientist who is loath to try again using emacs for exactly that
reason.

> I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from so=
me
> sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

Well, programmers type quite a lot less than average typists.
Sometimes they think.  At least some of them do.

-- 
David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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If I try to edit a file on my NT system using ange-ftp (from my HP-UX 10.10 
System) I allways get no permissions for any file.

If I do a ftp by commandline I can get and put it without any problems.
What's the problem with Xemacs 19.14?

Any Help, comments, jokes?

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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? -- Enough
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Can't we just stop this heated rethoric?

>From a user's point of view, I just don't care why the two emacsen are
different and I tend to blame both teams.

After long having been happy with CLIs, regarding GUIs as something
stupid, slow and simply unnecessary, it happened that I changed my
mind. However, who are we to decide what others should use?

What I want is the freedom to choose whether I want to use a GUI or a
CLI. And, I want my editor to support both.

As Emacs takes quite some time to learn for the beginner, especially
if you want to customize it, I happened to look at it again and again
and never got convinced enough to switch from vi. Then some day, along
came XEmacs and suddenly I had a powerful editor which was easy to use
as well. As a novice to emacs, I could mess around in the menus and
was greatly impressed by the wonderful "vm" mailer.

Now, of course I can have all this in GNU emacs as well. And now,
after having been using XEmacs for months, it is no longer a problem
for me to do so. But the point is, that without XEmacs, I had never
looked at using emacs again.

What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities between
the two emacsen. To me it seems that, instead of talking with each
other on how to at least keep them compatible, the two camps fight
each other with heated rethoric. That's ridiculous!

Why don't you just spend the time on useful things?

If you need ideas what do to with your spare time, here is my
wishlist:

- make emacs/xemacs more compatible
- make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail, while gnus
  looks for my news)
- make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
  GNU/emacs? :-)

Please, don't get me wrong. I am _not_ saying that any of the emacsen
is better, nor am I in any position to criticise your work. I am just
a simple user who got fascinated on how much energy you waste on this
stupid thread.

Thanks to both camps anyway for the best editor(s) I know!
--
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|\arsten |>allueder	e-mail:karsten@pimajestix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
The KBackup Homepage:	http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Karsten.Ballueder/
Do "finger karsten@pimajestix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de" for PGP-key.

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * David Kastrup
> | When did you receive the right to speak for all?
> 
> when _did_ you think I was speaking for all, David?

When you answered to the claim that a majority would perhaps prefer to
have the option to use menus and mouses and colours while they are
learning Emacs, and you said (verbatim)

When did the majority receive the right to speak for all?

While you forbid the majority to have a choice, you demand that *you*
not only get a choice, but *just* what you want, and all others should
also get *just* what you want, and not a choice.


-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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ny

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In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>,
Steve Jones - JON  <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:17:58 +0100

> If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
> College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
> ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
> a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
> they would be wrong as well according to you.

There's a rather heavy irony to people in the ATC trade lecturing the
rest of us on how to design clear and effective interfaces, when it
appears that more than three hundred people died because the self-same
trade can't agree on units to represent height between one airspace and
the next.

ian

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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Subject: Error/Warning from W3 3.0.29
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Hello all,

W3 3.0.29  works fine on text only sites/files but 
I can get no images to load. This is under xemacs 19.14 
running in Linux w/  X11R6.  W3 `crashes' leaving
the text from the URL in a scratch buffer.  For some
reason rgb.txt  (the color file from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt)
gets loaded and left in a text buffer as well. 

In W3 - 2.2.26 (I believe this was my previous
version) image support was fine.  As I understand it,
images were deprecated for a time. Now that images
are  back in W3 do I need another package
or do I need to make further changes in order to
get image support to work?

I'm not too familiar with lisp, so the various debugging
tools haven't got me anywhere - besides, the problem is
most likely more obvious (but not to me).
The warning buffer is included below.

Thanks,
 
Graham Todd 
----------------------------------
The following is the *Warning* error message I get
from W3 3.0.29 when loading a site or file with images:


(1) (error/warning) Error in process sentinel: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from "w3-display.elc") (url) "...(6)" [url-expand-file-name url ((cdr-safe (assoc (cdr-safe (assq (quote base) args)) w3-base-alist)))] 3>))
   

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In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>, Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr says...
>
>I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
>want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.

You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.
Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
on good design.

-- 
Boyd Roberts <boyd@france3.fr>                        N 31 447109 5411310

``Not only is UNIX dead, but it's starting to smell really bad.''  -- rob


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Hi All,

I have the problem mentioned in the subject on a linux-elf system(german
SUSE 4.2 distribution) As I knoow is it a standard system. At some
editing sessions xemacs finished reacting on the mouse or any keys but
stays on the desktop. Then only kill -9 helps. My xemacs is the
xemacs19.13..elf..try2 version which can be found on every
sunsite-mirror.

 Has anybody had the same problem, or can give me a hint where to look
for the problem. I used on the same machine xemacs which works properly
on a older a.out system.

Thanks Ralf


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> * David Kastrup
> | When did you receive the right to speak for all?
> 
> *sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!

That's you speaking to yourself, I suppose ...

> I'm objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.

... because nobody wants to tell you what you "should prefer". It's
all in the part of Kastrups posting you thoughtfully didn't quote:

    David Kastrup wrote
    (<m2loc7bse4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>):

    "It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with 
     colour support  in a way as to display no graphic 
     menus and icons, and no colours."


So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a
program, lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a
GUI *and* without one.

You have the choice, so choose and stop whining about some noexistant
persons trying to force something on you.

To sum it up:

1.) Nobody tries to force you to use such a flexible piece of
    software. You don't want it? Don't use it.
2.) Even if you were forced to use XEmacs, you'd be free to configure
    it into not using any GUI-elements.

So there you are. Anything you wanted and much more for people who
want more.






-- 
jo@delorges.in-berlin.de -- Berlin, Germany

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Jo Meder (jo@delorges.in-berlin.de) wrote:
> ... because nobody wants to tell you what you "should prefer". It's
> all in the part of Kastrups posting you thoughtfully didn't quote:
>     David Kastrup wrote
>     (<m2loc7bse4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>):
>     "It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with 
>      colour support  in a way as to display no graphic 
>      menus and icons, and no colours."
> So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a
> program, lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a
> GUI *and* without one.
[...]
> So there you are. Anything you wanted and much more for people who
> want more.

Ah, but maybe Erik is the one who doesn't like reading the manuals.
With this little help, maybe Erik will become an XEmacs user. :-) Put
this in your .emacs, Erik:

;; Erik's settings :-)
(set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)

No toolbar, no menubar, no scrollbar.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to use hs-minor-mode (with c++-mode). All I get is the
following message:

must specify a menu name

(or something like that). Anyway, this was just a test. I would like
to know:

1. Will hs allow me to hide C blocks.
2. Is it possible to make it work.

Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Thu Aug 29 1996 on serv-201

Would it not be more appropriate for just-one-space to check if the
abbrev-mode is turned on before expanding abbreviations?  The webster mode
calls this function and it leads to curious results.

--- Alastair 


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Hrvoje Niksic writes:
 > (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)
 > (set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)
 > (set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)
 > 
 > No toolbar, no menubar, no scrollbar.

hi hr, you forgot to amend the 3d-ness of the modeline...

ciao
                                                                gb

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>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Mikulla <ralfm@itap.physik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

Ralf> Hi All,
Ralf> I have the problem mentioned in the subject on a linux-elf system(german
Ralf> SUSE 4.2 distribution) As I knoow is it a standard system. At some
Ralf> editing sessions xemacs finished reacting on the mouse or any keys but
Ralf> stays on the desktop. Then only kill -9 helps. My xemacs is the
Ralf> xemacs19.13..elf..try2 version which can be found on every
Ralf> sunsite-mirror.

Ralf>  Has anybody had the same problem, or can give me a hint where
Ralf> to look for the problem. I used on the same machine xemacs which
Ralf> works properly on a older a.out system.

That sounds like a bad binary -- XEmacs works great on Linux.  Have
you tried one of the binaries on xemacs.org?

	ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/

If you get the infamous h_error run-time error, then there is
definitely a problem with your distribution.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

  Darryl> Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
  >> adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:
  >> 
  >> > Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
  >> > 
  >> > I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
  >> > at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
  >> > more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.
  >> 
  >> We have lots of problems with this on our HPs (10.10 and 10.01). Other
  >> posters have reported problems on Suns. One has noted that it looks as
  >> though the problem may be redisplay running to completion rather than
  >> stopping when new input is available.

  Darryl> There is an XEmacs 19.14 bug where, under HP-UX (and other
  Darryl> platforms???), SIGIO does not work (new input is ignored
  Darryl> until redisplay ends).  I've appended a patch that includes
  Darryl> fixes for this.  This may fix the "slowdown" problem you're
  Darryl> seeing.  *HOWEVER*, I was a bit sloppy in fixing the SIGIO
  Darryl> bug, and I may have broken the code for non-HP platforms.  I
  Darryl> don't know, though.

  Darryl> I've given these patches to someone who said he'd clean it
  Darryl> up and forward it on the XEmacs folks, but I don't know if
  Darryl> this happened.

At last check this fix was in xemacs-19.15, but it doesn't fix the
slowness, just the key release bug (in a large document hold page down
key, and release, the document will continue to scroll).  At times I
can still type faster than xemacs can display characters.  I read
somewhere that this occurs most often during autosave, though I
haven't checked it out myself.  

I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so slow
in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a benchmark
package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and included at the bottom,
I'd be interested in any comments/flames.  I should do more
iterations, but I just haven't gotten that far yet.

Emacs 19.34
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           3.2771169999  3.2771169999 <- (hanoi 4)
bench-mark-2   1           12.216554999  12.216554999 <- (fontify buffer)
bench-mark-3   1           175.92057400  175.92057400 <- (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           1.1632810000  1.1632810000 <- (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           106.80745799  106.80745799 <- (byte-compile)

XEmacs 19.15
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           30.190243000  30.190243000
bench-mark-2   1           18.474271999  18.474271999
bench-mark-3   1           352.46530100  352.46530100
bench-mark-4   1           0.4475679999  0.4475679999
bench-mark-6   1           170.57167900  170.57167900

I think I read an article by Steven Baur that said something about
byte compiles, and some other things being slow because some part of
the code was written in lisp for xemacs, where as it's written in C
for emacs.  I couldn't re-find the article to determine if it had
anything to do with display code.

Shane

;;; bench.el --- a crude benchmark for emacses
;; Copyright (C) 1987,88,89,90,93,94,95,96 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Shane Holder <holder@rsn.hp.com>

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.	 See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;; To run 
;; At the shell prompt emacs -q  <= don't load users .emacs
;; M-x byte-compile-file "bench.el"
;; M-x load-file "bench.elc"
;; In the scratch buffer (bench)

; Use elp to profile benchmarks

(require 'elp)

(defvar large-lisp-file "/home/src/emacs-19.33/lisp/gnus.el"
  "Large lisp file to use in benchmarks")

(defvar bench-sort-filename "/tmp/bench-"
  "File to be used in the sort benchmark")

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-1 ()
  ; How long to complete hanoi
  (hanoi 4)
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-2 ()
  ; How long to fonitfy a large file
  (find-file large-lisp-file)
  (font-lock-fontify-buffer)
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-3 ()
  ; How long does it take to scroll down through a large file
  (while (progn
	   (next-line 1)
	   (sit-for 0)
	   (not (looking-at "\\'"))))
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-4 ()
  ; How quickly can emacs create a new frame
  (make-frame)
)


;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-init-mark-5 ()
  (setq bench-sort-filename (make-temp-name bench-sort-filename))
  (find-file bench-sort-filename)
)

(defun bench-mark-5 ()
  ; Sort something
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-6 ()
  ; Byte compile a file
  (byte-compile-file large-lisp-file)
)

;=============================================================================
(defun bench-init ()
;  (bench-init-mark-5)
)

(defun bench ()
  (elp-instrument-package "bench-mark")	;Only instrument functions
					;beginning with bench-mark
  (bench-init)
  (bench-mark-1)
  (bench-mark-2)
  (bench-mark-3)
  (bench-mark-4)
  (bench-mark-6)
  (elp-results)
)

-- 
Shane Holder                                 e-mail: holder@rsn.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                               phone:     (214)497-4182
3000 Waterview                       Never underestimate the bandwidth
Richardson, TX 75083                 of a truck moving at 70 MPH.


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$$$$



Take 5 minutes to read this and it WILL change your life!!!!



Intrigued????  The internet has grown tremendously.  It doubles in size

every 4 months! Think about it.  You see those 'Make.Money.Fast" posts

more and more.  That's....because it WORKS!  That's why I decided to try

it out, a few months ago.  Besides, what's $5.00, we spend much more

than that on our way to work!  So I sent in my money and posted! 

Everyone is calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL,

Netcom, etc. that will join in and make it work for you!



$$$$$$$$$$$ THIS IS NOT A SCAM OR A HOAX!!!  IT IS IN EVERY WAY LEGAL!!!



Well, two weeks later, I began receiving bucks in the mail!!  I couldn't

believe it!!  Not just a little, I mean big bucks!!  At first only a few

hundred, then a week later a couple of thousand!  By the end of the

fourth week I had received just over $49,000.00!  It came from all over

the world!  And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up!



Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well!  Marcus

Valppu says he made $57,883 in 4 weeks.  Dave Manning claims he made

$53,664 in the same amount of time.  Dan Shepstone says it was only

$17,000 for him, but Steve Boltinghouse claims to have received nearly

$47,000!  Do I know these folks???  No, but when I read how they say

they did it, it made sense to me.  Enough sense that I'm taking a

similar chance with $5 of my own bucks.  Not a big chance, I admit...but

one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in

this system.  Period.  That's all Marcus, Dave, Dan or Steve invested,

yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,

legal, completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works, in 3 easy steps:



STEP 1:



Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces

of paper, along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" 

(In this way you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying

for a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill inside each paper, and mail

them to the following five addresses!



1.	Philippe

	2104 De Mexico

	Chomedey, Laval

	Quebec, Canada

	H7M 3C6



2.	Natalie Jansen

	Lancveldlaan 18

	5671 CN Nuenen

	Holland



3. 	Chad Collier

	2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49

	Placerville, CA  95667



4.	Steve Boltinghouse

	1009 Bird Street

	Hannibal, MO  63401



5.	Jamaaludeen Khan	

	P. O. Box 2

	Maitland

	Cape Town

	South Africa

	7404



STEP 2:



Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up. 

This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.  Put your name in as the fifth one on

the list.



STEP 3:



Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least 250

newsgroups.  There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in

time.  Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.  Remember....the

more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send

you cash!





-----------------HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS---------------NETSCAPE

3.0------------------



1)	Click on any news group like normal, then click on the "TO NEWS"

button, which is on the far left of your button bar when you are in the

newsgroups page.  This will bring up a box to type a message in.



2)	Leave the news group line like it is, change the subject box to

something flashy like: "NEED CASH$$$$" OR "READ HERE $$$" OR "FAST

CASH".



3)	Tab down once and you should be ready to type your article.  Now,

retype (only once) THIS whole article WORD for WORD, except insert YOUR

NAME at the #5 position, removing the #1 position.  Keep everything else

basically the same!



4)	When you are done typing the whole article, click on FILE in THIS

BOX, RIGHT ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IS SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST

BOX.  Click on SAVE AS when you are under FILE.  Save your article as a

text file to your C: or A: drive.  DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE

UNTIL YOU DO THIS.  Once saved, move on to number 5 below.



5)	If you still have all your text, send or post to this newsgroup now

by just clicking SEND, which is right below FILE, and right above Cc:!



6)	Here's where you're going to post to all 250!  OK, click on any news

group then click on the "TO NEWS" button in the top left corner.  Leave

the NEWSGROUPS BOX alone again, put another flashy title in the SUBJECT

BOX, hit TAB once to go to the body of the message, and then click on

ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX.  You will now get another

box to come up.  Click on ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file that you

saved; click once on the file, and then click OPEN.  Now click on OK. 

If you did this right, you should see your file name in the attachments

box, and it will be shaded green.



--------------IE EXPLORER-----------------------	



Hold down the left mouse button, highlight this article.  Then press the

"CTRL" key and the "C" key at the same time to copy this article.  Then

print this article for your records to have the names of those you will

be sending $1 bills to.  Next, go to the news groups and press "POST AN

ARTICLE".  A window will now open.  Type in your headline in the subject

area and then click in the large window below.  Press "CTRL" and then

"V" and the article will be placed in the window.  If you want to edit

the article, do so and then highlight and copy it again.  Now, everytime

you post the article in a new newsgroup, all you have to repeat is

"CTRL" and "V" and press POST.



7)	That's it!  Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a

different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 250+ DIFFERENT newsgroups,

you see?  Each one only takes about 30 seconds once you get started. 

Remember....250 is THE MINIMUM!  More is recommended.



THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!  COMPLETE THESE STEPS, AND YOU WILL DEFINATELY MAKE

MONEY!



You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns

within 7 to 14 days!  Remember....the Internet is new and HUGE.  There

is no way you can lose!



NOW HERE IS HOW AND WHY THE SYSTEM WORKS:



Out of every block of 250 postings you make, let's say you ONLY receive

5 replies, which is a VERY LOW estimate!  You make $5 in cash...with

your name at #5!



Each additional person who sent you $1 now also makes 250 postings with

your name at #4, 1000 postings.  On average then, 50 people will send

you $1 with your name at #4......$50 in your pocket!



Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3

or 10,000 postings.  Average return, 500 people = $500.  They make 250

postings each with your name at #2 = 100,000 postings = 5000 returns at

$1 each = $5,000 in cash!



Finally, 5000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you

get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.  And that's

only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each and only 5

people respond to each person!!!!  Your total income for this one cycle

is $55,000!!!!!



>From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you

take the latest posting you can find and start all over again!



		The end result depends on you.  You must follow through and repost

this 		article everywhere you can think of.

		The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. 

It's 		too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!



Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh?  But believe me, it works!  There a

MILLIONS of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the

world.  And 100,000 new people get on the net every day.  You know that,

you've seen the stories in the paper.  So, my friend, read and follow

the simple instructions and play fair.  That's the key, and that's all

there is to it.  Print this out right now so you can refer to this

article easily.  Try and keep an eye on all the postings you made to

make sure everyone is playing fairrly.  You know where your name should

be.



If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then

don't do it!  You can pass it along to someone who really needs the

bucks, and see what happens!



		REMEMBER.....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.  YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT

THE 			BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!  GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY

FAIR 			AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!!! 



***By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with

your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already

included, you will not get much.  Someone did this and only got about

$150 (and that's after 2 months).  Then he sent the 5 bills, people

added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000!!!!!!



			TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!!   ;-)

	











		 

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>>>>> "KB" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:

KB> What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities
KB> between the two emacsen. To me it seems that, instead of talking
KB> with each other on how to at least keep them compatible, the two
KB> camps fight each other with heated rethoric.

More annoying still: the irrelevant whinings of lusers complaining about
these debates getting in the way of their consumption.


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>>>>> "JZ" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

    JZ> By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since
    JZ> the dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.
    JZ> ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*. UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.
    JZ> Where've you been?

It's also in a sci fi short story, I forget by who (Heinlein?), and I
forget when (mid-70's?).  At one point in the story the female
computer expert is wearing a shirt that says "screw p" and the male
antagonist is pondering what that means.  I think it's described in
the story that the "p" stands both for predicate and it also kind of
looks like a `?'.

Anybody remember the details about that short story?

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Subject: ".emacs" vs. "tex-mode.el" ???
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I'm using xemacs-19.14.  It has a file 
"/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/modes/tex-mode.el" where the following 
is defined: 

=======================================
(defvar tex-dvi-view-command nil
  "*Command used by \\[tex-view] to display a .dvi file.
If this string contains an asterisk (*), it will be replaced by the
filename; if not, the name of the file, preceded by blank, will be added to
this string.

This can be set conditionally so that the previewer used is suitable for the
window system being used.  For example,

    (setq tex-dvi-view-command
          (if (eq window-system 'x) \"xdvi\" \"dvi2tty * | cat -s\"))

would tell \\[tex-view] use xdvi under X windows and to use dvi2tty
otherwise.")
======================================== 

But I want to set the variable "tex-dvi-view-command" to "xdvi", so 
I put the following line in the ".emacs":

(setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi") 

After I rerun the xemacs, the variable still is "nil" not "xdvi".  
However, if I change "tex-mode.el" in the same way I did in ".emacs" 
as a superuser, it works properly.  Why is it working this way?  
Isn't it enough to change ".emacs" to customize xemacs rather than 
to change each ".el" files? 

Woody
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From: aaron <aaron@bootes.xdb.com>
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Subject: c-basic-offset and java mode
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i have in my .emacs file:
 (setq-default c-basic-offset 4)

and that worked for c mode, but has no effect in java mode.

what do i do to change the indent level of java mode?

thank 
 aaron

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* Jo Meder
| So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a program,
| lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a GUI *and*
| without one.

you should have noticed that the discussion on user interfaces had moved
away from just Emacs/XEmacs and into a more general domain.  your summary
is remarkably stupid, considering what the arguments have been here.  that
"pay attention" was directed to fools who insist on commenting when they
have not read anything of the actual discussions.  but that's generally
what happens to a debate on USENET.  the fools come in when a general
understanding, if not agreement, has emerged among the earlier debaters,
and we get such things as "where have you been"-style bickinger over the
-p convention instead of intelligent arguments.

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* David Kastrup
| While you forbid the majority to have a choice,

I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

#\Erik
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:
    Kevin> Greetings.

    Steven> Installation procedures haven't remained constant, and I don't
    Steven> remember what special things I had to do with 7.68.  With the current
    Steven> version I modify the declarations of PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX in TM-CFG
    Steven> to point to /usr/local.

I don't have to modify anything at all.  I say 'make EMACS=xemacs;
make install EMACS=xemacs;'  that's all.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> how _could_ a program adapt to the user without the user
 EN> communicating his wishes to the program?

Gnus 5 has adaptive scoring, which doesn't require the user to explicitly
communicate his wishes to the program.  Perhaps code could be developed
for XEmacs that would ask the user if they wanted toolbars and/or menubars
turned off ("you've been using XEmacs for 15 days and haven't used the
toolbar yet; perhaps you'd rather reclaim the screen space?").

Emacs has long had something like this (disable-command) for protecting
functions which might confuse novices, but which experts may want enabled.

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From: psmith@baynetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
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Subject: Re: ".emacs" vs. "tex-mode.el" ???
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I can't answer your question: I tried adding

  (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi")

to my ~/.emacs and starting Emacs 19.34 and visiting a .tex buffer, and
C-h v tex-dvi-view-command RET shows the value to, in fact, be "xdvi".

So, either you're doing something wrong (starting XEmacs with -q?
Mistyped the variable name?), or XEmacs has a different version of
tex-mode.el from Emacs 19.34 (that maybe makes this variable
buffer-local?), or XEmacs is pretty broken (which I doubt, at least for
something this obvious :).

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I know I've seen this question before, but searching through the FAQ
and dejanews yielded nothing so here goes:

I'm running XEmacs on an underpowered linux machine and find that the
constant garbage collection is really killing me. Is there a parameter
in the configuration to fiddle with that either a) speeds up the
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Thanks for any pointers or advice,

John Verzani

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>>>>> "Alastair" == Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-sb.de> writes:

Alastair> Would it not be more appropriate for just-one-space to check
Alastair> if the abbrev-mode is turned on before expanding
Alastair> abbreviations?  The webster mode calls this function and it
Alastair> leads to curious results.

It sure would be, and the change has already been made.  Use this
definition of just-one-space (from prim/simple.el) if you wish:

;; XEmacs 19.15 version
(defun just-one-space ()
  "Delete all spaces and tabs around point, leaving one space."
  (interactive "*")
  (if abbrev-mode ; XEmacs
      (expand-abbrev))
  (skip-chars-backward " \t")
  (if (= (following-char) ? )
      (forward-char 1)
    (insert ? ))
  (delete-region (point) (progn (skip-chars-forward " \t") (point))))

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[comp.emacs and gnu.emacs.help trimmed since this is an XEmacs question]

>>>>> "woonki" == woonki  <woonki@physics.georgetown.edu> writes:

woonki> I'm using xemacs-19.14.  ...

woonki> But I want to set the variable "tex-dvi-view-command" to "xdvi", so 
woonki> I put the following line in the ".emacs":

woonki> (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi")

woonki> After I rerun the xemacs, the variable still is "nil" not "xdvi".  

It's not clear what you mean here.  Reexecuting a .emacs in the same
session is usually an unwise decision.  If you really did put that
line in your .emacs, and then killed and restarted XEmacs it should
have taken effect.

woonki> However, if I change "tex-mode.el" in the same way I did in ".emacs" 
woonki> as a superuser, it works properly.  Why is it working this way?  

woonki> Isn't it enough to change ".emacs" to customize xemacs rather than 
woonki> to change each ".el" files? 

Yes, check your steps carefully.  What you described should have worked.
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> craig> (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
> craig> (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
> craig> (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
> 
> craig> this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
> craig> with xemacs,  any ideas?
> 
> (global-set-key [kp_multiply] 'undo)
> (global-set-key [kp_add] 'kill-ring-save)
> (global-set-key [kp_subtract] 'kill-region)
> 
> :-(
> 
> Yes, this is braindamaged, yes it will be fixed for XEmacs 19.15.


Does this bug also apply to commands like the following?  I always
have to evaluate these "by hand" in xemacs after startup...

(global-set-key "\C-c\C-l" 'goto-line)
(global-set-key "\C-c\C-w" 'fixup-whitespace)

--Rob

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Using `goto-char' in a function in `write-file-hooks' has no effect
since the functions in `write-file-hooks' are called inside a
`save-excursion' (see function `basic-save-buffer' in file files.el --in
both Emacses, wow ;-).

Actually, I would vote for calling the functions in `write-file-hooks'
outside any `save-excursion' or `save-restriction'.  The reason:

If I change the whole buffer contents via an external process, all
markers (including `point', `mark' saved by `save-excursion') point to
the beginning of the file.  Without `save-excursion' I could simply do

	(let ((point-pos (point)))
	  ``changing and re-changing the contents via some process''
	  (goto-char point-pos))

with `save-excursion', this is not possible :-(  Or is there any
possibility?

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In article <61g22doo4b.fsf@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>,
Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> wrote:

>It's also in a sci fi short story, I forget by who (Heinlein?), and I
>forget when (mid-70's?).  At one point in the story the female
>computer expert is wearing a shirt that says "screw p" and the male
>antagonist is pondering what that means.  I think it's described in
>the story that the "p" stands both for predicate and it also kind of
>looks like a `?'.
>
>Anybody remember the details about that short story?

That was "Press Enter", I'm not sure about the author but it might be
John Varley.  The male isn't an antagonist btw (unless we're talking
about another story, but I do remember something along the lines of a
"screw-p")... the female character is a hacker working for the police to
find out what happened, and the guy is the neighbor.

	-Roger
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I'm trying to use the SPARCworks (XEmacs v19.14) debugger (dbx) to 
debug some Objective C code. The debugger will run the program but 
when I select a source file to add breaks to Emacs complains that
it can't find the object file associated with that source file. I 
have used the -g option when compiling with gcc 2.7.2. Any ideas 
whats wrong?

Thanks,

David.

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Are there binaries for Solaris 2.5 anywhere? I have the standard Sun
development tools and they don't work too well for Gnu stuff.

Alternately, does anybody have any opinions about installing the gnus
stuff?

Thanks.

-- 
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In <56cd3m$4hk@route1.france3.fr> boyd@france3.fr (Boyd Roberts) writes:

>You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
>enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.

These are not diametrically opposed.  Something can look good and
be good at the same time.

>Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
>discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

>I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
>for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
>but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
>on good design.

The more efficient interface is the one which provides the easiest-to-
read text.  For some systems, that will be anti-aliased, variable
width fonts.  On others, it will be a default screen font (since that's
the only thing there ;)

If you don't like anti-aliased fonts then don't use them--your choice.
But for many people, it's the best looking text around.

-- 
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-- 
Hi,

I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on my platform which is sun-solaris2.5 
from the 2 files below: 
 - xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
 - xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4.tar
from ftp.ibp.fr/pub/emacs/xemacs

This installation took place on a particular directory on my account
(not in /usr/local)

After gzip -d and tar xvf, when I lauched xemacs I got, the following
message:

"Required feature x-mouse was not provided"


When I want to open or to save a file, I got the following message:

"wrong number of arguments: (lambda (hook-var hook-function) "prepend
hook-function to hook-var's value if it is not already an element"

Thus I cannot use xemacs since I cannot open or save any file.

Could you help me ? I do not know what to do to solve my problem

Best regards

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Dear (X)emacs users,

The three functions below (a basic one and two which call it to perform
different actions) allow page-down, page-up movement in such a way that 
the original line is always recovered when inverting the action and the 
cursor remains all the time at the same line on the screen (window):
that is, no automatic recentering is performed.
In my opinion, recentering is annoying in a few occasions. For example, 
when the current line is close to the bottom of the window and page-down
is pressed, because of the recentering, the lines which were visible at
the bottom of the window are scrolled up outside of the user's view.
The default mapping of the pg-up, pg-dn keys with scroll-down scroll-up, 
on the other hand, has the problem of the noninvertibility of the action 
mentioned above (i.e., after a pg-dn, pg-up, the current line may be
changed).
Those who are interested in trying this simple variant should assign
the keys pg-dn, pg-up in .emacs to the functions 
rb-page-down, rb-page-up. The code is for (X)emacs-19.14: slight 
modifications for Emacs are necessary.

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
Nonlinear dynamics and
stochastic processes
CH-5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch

(defvar rb-up nil
  "Set true by rb-page-up and false by rb-page-down.")

(defun rb-page-move ()
  "Called by rb-page-down (up). Moves the current line down (up)
window-displayed-height lines, depending on whether rb-up is nil or t. 
The inverse operation brings back to the previous line.
No recentering takes place, except close to the end of the buffer, 
so that the cursor remains on the same displayed line on the screen."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height))  ; Variables: window-start, current
	  ws curr sh trgt)                 ; line, shift, target line
    (if rb-up (setq wdh (- wdh)))
    (setq curr (count-lines 1 (point)))  ; Get current line
    (if (bolp) (setq curr (1+ curr)))    ; Correct for beg-of-line
    (setq ws (window-start))
    (save-excursion
	(goto-char ws)                     ; Go to beg of window
	(setq ws (count-lines 1 (point)))  ; and evaluate line number
	(if (bolp) (setq ws (1+ ws)))      ; Correct for beg-of-line
	)
    (setq sh (- curr ws))                  ; Compute the shift
    (save-excursion
	(forward-line (- wdh sh))          ; Compute target point
	(beginning-of-line)
	(setq trgt (point))
	)
    (forward-line wdh)                        ; Move and
    (set-window-start (selected-window) trgt) ; reposition.
    (if (> (point) (- (point-max) 20))        ; If close to end
	  (progn                              ; of buffer, recenter.
	    (setq wdh (abs wdh))              ; Take abs(wdh)
	    (recenter (/ wdh 2))))))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (setq rb-up t)
  (rb-page-move))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (setq rb-up nil)
  (rb-page-move))

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In article <3056904377316838@naggum.no>,
	Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
> anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

Oh, please.  These discussions are pretty worthless when they degenerate
to this sort of mud-slinging.  Take it to email, guys.

Just so I'm vaguely on-topic: I like both variants, but I use XEmacs
more, because it's prettier, and easier to configure for someone like
me who doesn't grok Lisp.  GNU Emacs seems faster and more compact but
not as friendly or polished.  All IMHO, of course.

-- 
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * David Kastrup
> | While you forbid the majority to have a choice,
> 
> I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
> anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

Why so shy? In your private Email reaction you have just now called me
"Nazi" for my differing opinion.  (BTW, it is rumoured that this word
will end a thread.  Let's hope so).

It is sad that you have no more arguments left than those.  Not that
this is of any relevance, but I am a born citizen of the U.S.A., and
my father was about 10 years old when WWII ended.

Anyhow, since you'll need to have the last word anyway (or you'll
choke), this is the last you'll hear from me about this thread.

-- 
David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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If the tex-mode.el file is evaluated AFTER you set
'tex-dvi-view-command, the definition of the variable
'tex-dvi-view-command override your setting.

 You should do ;
(add-hook 'tex-mode-hook
	(function
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	    (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi") )))

This way, when you open your foobar.tex file, thanks to the
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by .tex. It loads the file tex-mode.el as it is specified in the
auto-mode-list variable. It execute the tex-mode function. At the end
of its execution, the 'tex-mode-hook is evaluated => you get what you
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 There is almost (99%) always such a hook on modes.

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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Improved, fast page-up page-down
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 09:27 14/11/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear (X)emacs users,
>
>The three functions below (a basic one and two which call it to perform
>different actions) allow page-down, page-up movement in such a way that 
>the original line is always recovered when inverting the action and the 
>cursor remains all the time at the same line on the screen (window):
>that is, no automatic recentering is performed.


I think you will find this problem has already been solved by Eric Eide's 
really *excellent* scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

-- David

;;;; LCD Archive Entry:
;;;; scroll-in-place|Eric Eide|eeide@cs.utah.edu|
;;;; Improved vertical scrolling commands|
;;;; 29-Dec-1993|1.1|~/misc/scroll-in-place.el.Z|

;;;; SUMMARY
;;;;
;;;; This package provides improved vertical scrolling commands for GNU Emacs.
;;;; These new commands offer the following features:
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is executed, GNU Emacs tries to keep point as
;;;;   close as possible to its original window position (window line and
;;;;   column).  This is what "scroll in place" means: point stays "in place"
;;;;   within the window.  (There are times when point must be moved from its
;;;;   original window position in order to execute the scroll; see below.)
;;;;
;;;;   The variable scroll-in-place, which is true by default, determines
;;;;   whether or not the standard GNU Emacs scrolling commands (scroll-down,
;;;;   scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) use the "in place" features listed
;;;;   here.  When scroll-in-place is nil, the standard GNU Emacs scrolling
;;;;   commands essentially just call the original versions of themselves.
;;;;   (Note that even when scroll-in-place is nil, the new versions of scroll-
;;;;   down and scroll-up have slightly different behavior when the minibuffer
;;;;   window is the selected window.  See below.)
;;;;
;;;;   It is possible to turn off (or turn on) "in place" scrolling for certain
;;;;   buffers by making buffer-local bindings of the variable scroll-in-place
;;;;   for those buffers.  The variable scroll-in-place is not usually buffer-
;;;;   local, but you can make it so if you desire.
;;;;
;;;; + Because the improved scrolling commands keep point at its original
;;;;   window position, these scrolling commands are "reversible."  The
;;;;   scroll-up command undoes the effect of the immediately previous
;;;;   scroll-down command (if any) and vice versa.  In other words, if you
;;;;   scroll up and then immediately scroll back down, the window
;;;;   configuration is restored to its exact original state.  This allows you
;;;;   to browse through a buffer more easily, as you can always get back to
;;;;   the original configuration.
;;;;
;;;;   Note, however, that the improved scrolling commands are guaranteed to be
;;;;   reversible only if there are no intervening non-scrolling commands.
;;;;   Also, if you give a prefix argument to a scrolling command (in order to
;;;;   specify the number of lines to scroll by), previous scrolling commands
;;;;   may no longer be reversible.  More specifically, if the new prefix
;;;;   argument has a different magnitude than the previous scrolling distance,
;;;;   then any previous scrolling commands are not reversible.  The new prefix
;;;;   argument takes precedence.
;;;;
;;;;   You might find it useful to think of the scrolling commands as forming
;;;;   "chains."  A scrolling command either starts or continues a chain.  By
;;;;   issuing a non-scrolling command or by changing the number of lines to be
;;;;   scrolled, you break the chain.  (Note that simply changing the scrolling
;;;;   direction won't break the chain; changing the absolute number of lines
;;;;   to be scrolled is what breaks the chain.)  Scrolling commands are
;;;;   guaranteed to be reversible only within the current chain.  Hopefully
;;;;   that's clear enough.
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is given a prefix argument (which specifies the
;;;;   number of lines to scroll by), then that argument becomes the default
;;;;   scrolling distance for all immediately subsequent scrolling commands.
;;;;   This means that you can easily set the scrolling distance for a chain
;;;;   of scrolling commands.  Note that a new prefix argument or any non-
;;;;   scrolling command breaks the chain (as described above), and any further
;;;;   scrolling commands will use the usual defaults (or the prefix argument
;;;;   you specify at that time, of course).
;;;;
;;;;   However, there are cases in which one doesn't want the current scrolling
;;;;   command to use the default scrolling distance that was set by the
;;;;   previous scrolling command.  For example, suppose that you had special
;;;;   commands that scrolled one line up and one line down.  When you invoke
;;;;   one of these commands, the "in place" scrolling routines set the default
;;;;   scrolling distance to be just one line.  Now suppose that you use one of
;;;;   your special commands and then immediately invoke scroll-up (C-v),
;;;;   expecting it to scroll by a near windowful of text.  You would be
;;;;   disappointed -- because the previous command set the default scrolling
;;;;   distance to be just one line, scroll-up just scrolls by one line.
;;;;
;;;;   To solve this problem, "scroll-in-place" allows you to divide scrolling
;;;;   commands into separate "groups."  Commands in a group can only form
;;;;   chains with (and therefore, inherit defaults from) commands in the same
;;;;   group.  (Note that no command can be in more than one group.)  If you
;;;;   invoke a scrolling command that is not in the same group as that of the
;;;;   immediately previous scrolling command, then the previous chain is
;;;;   broken and you start a new chain -- with a new set of defaults.
;;;;
;;;;   So to solve the problem described above, you could put your one-line
;;;;   scrolling commands in their own group.  Once that is done, the standard
;;;;   scrolling commands will not form chains with your one-line scrolling
;;;;   commands, and therefore will not use the default scrolling distance set
;;;;   by those commands.  Problem solved!
;;;;
;;;;   By default, all "in place" scrolling commands are in a single group.  If
;;;;   you want to partition some commands into separate groups, you must do
;;;;   that yourself *before* any "in place" commands are invoked.  For more
;;;;   information about grouping commands, see the documentation for variables
;;;;   scroll-command-groups and scroll-default-command-group.
;;;;
;;;; + The improved scrolling commands will avoid displaying empty lines past
;;;;   the end of the buffer when possible.  In other words, just as you can't
;;;;   see "dead space" before the beginning of the buffer text, the new
;;;;   scrolling commands try to avoid displaying "dead space" past the end of
;;;;   the buffer text.  This behavior is somewhat configurable; see the
;;;;   documentation for the variable scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob.
;;;;
;;;;   Dead space will be displayed if it is necessary in order to make a
;;;;   previous scrolling action reversible, however.
;;;;
;;;; + If the scrolling commands cannot keep point at its initial window
;;;;   position (because a buffer boundary is on screen and the window can't be
;;;;   scrolled as far as necessary to keep point at the right place), point is
;;;;   allowed to temporarily stray from its initial window position.  That is,
;;;;   point moves the correct number of window lines, even if it means that it
;;;;   has to stray from its desired window position.  This straying is undone
;;;;   when (and if) the scrolling action is reversed.
;;;;
;;;; + If a scrolling command tries to move point past a buffer boundary, point
;;;;   is instead moved to the boundary (the beginning or the end of the buffer
;;;;   as appropriate) and an appropriate message is displayed.  This motion is
;;;;   reversible, of course.
;;;;
;;;;   However, if point was already at the buffer boundary when the scrolling
;;;;   command was invoked, the command signals an appropriate error instead.
;;;;
;;;; + When the minibuffer window is the selected window, the new versions of
;;;;   scroll-up and scroll-down either scroll the minibuffer-scroll-window
;;;;   (which is usually the window of completions) or the next-window if there
;;;;   is no minibuffer-scroll-window.  This is usually much more useful than
;;;;   scrolling the minibuffer itself.  (Note that this feature is available
;;;;   even when the variable scroll-in-place is nil.)
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is scrolling a window other than the selected
;;;;   window, it will signal an appropriate buffer boundary error if the
;;;;   window cannot be scrolled (because the appropriate buffer boundary is
;;;;   already visible).  This means that an error is signalled even in cases
;;;;   that would be allowed (by "straying" point or by moving it to the buffer
;;;;   boundary) if the window were selected.
;;;;
;;;;   (If an error were not signalled in these cases, then there would be many
;;;;   cases in which the last scroll in a particular direction would appear to
;;;;   do nothing because only the point position would change -- the displayed
;;;;   text would stay the same!  To avoid these cases the scrolling commands
;;;;   signal boundary errors "prematurely" when the window to be scrolled is
;;;;   not selected.)
;;;;
;;;; So how is this package different than Joe Wells' "scroll-fix" package?
;;;;
;;;; + This package provides "in place" behavior for the standard GNU Emacs
;;;;   commands by default; "scroll-fix" does not.
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" behaves differently when the window is near a buffer
;;;;   boundary.  Instead of allowing point to stray, "scroll-fix" first does
;;;;   an incomplete scroll (i.e., moves point less than the full distance in
;;;;   order to keep point at the desired window position) and then pops point
;;;;   to the buffer boundary.  I think that the behavior of this package is
;;;;   somewhat move intuitive, especially for small scrolling distances.
;;;;
;;;; + The scrolling commands in this package will appropriately signal buffer
;;;;   boundary errors; the commands in "scroll-fix" never signal boundary
;;;;   errors.  This makes it difficult to allow "scroll-fix" to replace the
;;;;   standard scroll-down and scroll-up commands because some other packages
;;;;   (e.g., VM and GNUS) expect the scrolling commands to signal these errors
;;;;   as necessary.
;;;;
;;;; + This package handles long lines correctly.  (But see PROBLEMS, below.)
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" handles prefix arguments differently.  In "scroll-fix", a
;;;;   number-containing prefix argument always breaks any running chain of
;;;;   scrolling commands.  The prefix argument - (the symbol minus, generated
;;;;   by C-u -) causes a temporary change in direction (a change for only the
;;;;   current command).  In this package, a number-containing prefix argument
;;;;   only breaks a running chain if it has a different magnitude than the
;;;;   default scrolling distance, and the prefix argument - causes a permanent
;;;;   change in the sign of the default scrolling distance (a change visible
;;;;   to immediately subsequent scrolling commands).
;;;;
;;;; + This package keeps track of the set of "in place" scrolling commands
;;;;   dynamically, in order to detect "chains" of scrolling commands.
;;;;   "scroll-fix" has a fixed list of scrolling commands, so "scroll-fix"
;;;;   cannot keep track of some chains.  (Again, "scroll-fix" interacts badly
;;;;   with VM and GNUS.)  And because "scroll-fix" keeps a static list of
;;;;   scrolling commands, it is a bad idea to call its "in place" commands
;;;;   from a program.  This package, because it maintains the information
;;;;   dynamically, has no such problems.
;;;;
;;;; + This package allows one to divide the "in place" scrolling commands into
;;;;   groups; a command in a group only forms chains with the members of its
;;;;   group.  "scroll-fix" has no notion of command groups.
;;;;
;;;; + This package provides an "in place" version of the standard GNU Emacs
;;;;   command scroll-other-window (and a replacement for scroll-other-window,
;;;;   too).
;;;;
;;;; + This package will refuse to scroll non-selected windows (by signalling
;;;;   an error) when the displayed text would not change, as described in the
;;;;   feature list above.
;;;;
;;;; + When the minibuffer is selected, this package always scrolls a window
;;;;   other than the minibuffer.  "scroll-fix" will scroll another window only
;;;;   if the entire minibuffer contents are visible.
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" provides a command to toggle the "in place" behavior of the
;;;;   standard GNU Emacs commands.  This package doesn't; you'll have to set
;;;;   the option manually with set-variable.
;;;;
;;;; + This package has gratuitous variable renaming (insert smile here!):
;;;;
;;;;   "scroll-fix" user variable            Equivalent in this package
;;;;   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
;;;;   scroll-in-place                       (none)
;;;;   scroll-in-place-replace-original      scroll-in-place
;;;;   scroll-in-place-eob-blank-allowed     scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob
;;;;
;;;; + This package allows programmers to specify the default scrolling
;;;;   distance (i.e., the default distance used when starting a new chain of
;;;;   scrolling commands) for custom scrolling commands.

;;;; COMMANDS AND FUNCTIONS
;;;;
;;;; This package provides the following "in place" versions of GNU Emacs'
;;;; standard vertical scrolling commands:
;;;;
;;;;   scroll-down-in-place
;;;;   scroll-up-in-place
;;;;   scroll-other-window-in-place
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-in-place, which is true by default, determines whether
;;;; or not the new versions of the standard GNU Emacs scrolling commands
;;;; (scroll-down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) use the "in place"
;;;; features listed above.  When scroll-in-place is nil, the standard GNU
;;;; Emacs scrolling commands essentially just call the original versions of
;;;; themselves.  (Note that even when scroll-in-place is nil, the new versions
;;;; of scroll-down and scroll-up have slightly different behavior when the
;;;; minibuffer window is the selected window.  See the feature list above.)
;;;;
;;;; NOTE that this package redefines the standard GNU Emacs commands scroll-
;;;; down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window (in order to check the variable
;;;; scroll-in-place, as described above).
;;;;
;;;; This package also provides the following functions and variables which are
;;;; of use to programmers:
;;;;
;;;;   scroll-window
;;;;   scroll-window-in-place
;;;;   scroll-window-in-place-continue-sequence
;;;;   scroll-default-lines (variable)
;;;;   scroll-command-groups (variable)
;;;;
;;;; scroll-window-in-place is the heart of the "in place" scrolling commands.
;;;; scroll-window is a function that checks the variable scroll-in-place and
;;;; calls the appropriate scrolling function (either scroll-window-in-place or
;;;; one of the original versions of scroll-down and scroll-up).  The function
;;;; scroll-window-in-place-continue-sequence is provided in order to preserve
;;;; running "chains" of scrolling commands as described above.
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-default-lines determines the default scrolling
;;;; distance when a new chain of "in place" scrolling commands begins.  If
;;;; this variable is not a number, then the default distance is the height of
;;;; the window to be scrolled minus next-screen-context-lines.  The variable
;;;; scroll-command-groups contains the explicit groups of "in place" scrolling
;;;; commands; for more information read the variable documentation.

;;;; YOUR .EMACS FILE
;;;;
;;;; To use this package, you simply need to load it from within your ".emacs"
;;;; file:
;;;;
;;;;   (require 'scroll-in-place)
;;;;
;;;; By default, this package provides for the standard GNU Emacs vertical
;;;; scrolling commands (scroll-down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) to
;;;; use the "in place" features.  If you would rather not have this, set the
;;;; variable scroll-in-place to nil:
;;;;
;;;;   (setq scroll-in-place nil)
;;;;
;;;; When scroll-in-place is nil, you will have to bind keys in order to call
;;;; the "in place" scrolling commands.  For example, you might want to do the
;;;; following:
;;;;
;;;;   (global-set-key "\M-v" 'scroll-down-in-place)
;;;;   (global-set-key "\C-v" 'scroll-up-in-place)
;;;;
;;;; Sun users should also read the PROBLEMS section, below.
;;;;
;;;; ADVANCED CUSTOMIZATION
;;;;
;;;; If you want to partition certain "in place" scrolling commands into
;;;; separate groups, you should do something like the following:
;;;;
;;;;   ;; Make one group containing the commands scroll-down-one-line and
;;;;   ;; scroll-up-one-line.  (These are not standard GNU Emacs commands.)
;;;;   (setq scroll-command-groups
;;;;         (list '(scroll-down-one-line scroll-up-one-line)))
;;;;
;;;; You could write the scroll-down-one-line command like this:
;;;;
;;;;   (defun scroll-down-one-line (arg)
;;;;     "Scroll down one line, or number of lines specified by prefix arg."
;;;;     (interactive "P")
;;;;     (let ((scroll-default-lines 1))
;;;;       (scroll-down-in-place arg)))
;;;;
;;;; If you want to disable "in place" scrolling for windows that display a
;;;; particular buffer (while leaving it available in other windows), you can
;;;; make scroll-in-place a buffer-local variable for that buffer and then bind
;;;; that local copy of scroll-in-place to nil.  This is the kind of thing that
;;;; one generally does in a major mode hook.  For example, you can disable "in
;;;; place" scrolling of GNUS article windows with the following code:
;;;;
;;;;   (setq gnus-Article-mode-hook
;;;;         (function (lambda ()
;;;;                     (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place)
;;;;                     (setq scroll-in-place nil))))
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob can also be made local to
;;;; particular buffers, if you desire.  (But why would you want to do that?)


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> do you know why
> I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when
> they are dishonest.  I don't know when what they say is propaganda for the
> masses (e.g., marketing) or developer-to-developer "internal information".

You know why I don't trust Erik Naggum?  I don't know when what he
says is honest and when he is dishonest.  I don't know when what he
says is propaganda for the masses (e.g., marketing)...

-J

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Good idea to have a benchmark for some often used functions!

Here are my results (XEmacs 19.14, DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 100MHz)

Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           13.105408000  13.105408000
bench-mark-2   1           12.853600000  12.853600000
bench-mark-3   1           149.452864    149.452864
bench-mark-4   1           1.0448959999  1.0448959999
bench-mark-6   1           12.943392000  12.943392000

There are two points that caught my eye:

1) my display seems faster, even though the CPU intensive stuff looks
pretty similar (comp. benchmarks 1,3 with 2)

2) I have absolutely no idea what your machine did while byte-compiling.
Is your HD a lame duck, or what?

Maybe it would help to collect more results to find some systematics...

HTH,
Thomas

Shane Holder wrote:
> I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so slow
> in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a benchmark
> package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and included at the bottom,
> I'd be interested in any comments/flames.  I should do more
> iterations, but I just haven't gotten that far yet.
> 
> Emacs 19.34
> Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
> =============  ==========  ============  ============
> bench-mark-1   1           3.2771169999  3.2771169999 <- (hanoi 4)
> bench-mark-2   1           12.216554999  12.216554999 <- (fontify buffer)
> bench-mark-3   1           175.92057400  175.92057400 <- (next-line)
> bench-mark-4   1           1.1632810000  1.1632810000 <- (make-frame)
> bench-mark-6   1           106.80745799  106.80745799 <- (byte-compile)
> 
> XEmacs 19.15
> Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
> =============  ==========  ============  ============
> bench-mark-1   1           30.190243000  30.190243000
> bench-mark-2   1           18.474271999  18.474271999
> bench-mark-3   1           352.46530100  352.46530100
> bench-mark-4   1           0.4475679999  0.4475679999
> bench-mark-6   1           170.57167900  170.57167900
-- 
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>>>>> Michael Tabat <mtabat@ti.com> (MT) writes:

MT> I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on an HP with HPVUE 9.05.  I have version 3.1
MT> of ispell and want to use it to check spelling in emacs buffers.  I've
MT> tried just about everything including putting the autoload commands in
MT> my .emacs (they are listed in the emacs FAQ).  However, every time I
MT> run the ispell-buffer command, I get the following message in the mini
MT> buffer:

MT> 	Symbol's value as variable is void: @

Check if you have a file "ispell" in the current directory, or maybe
anywhere in your emacs loadpath.

Emacs has the nasty habit of not only looking for xxxx.el and xxxx.elc but
also for xxxx if you load xxxx.
-- 
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Just one simple question from a happy XEmacs user:
what is the meaning of the followin lines ?

;;;; LCD Archive Entry:
;;;; scroll-in-place|Eric Eide|eeide@cs.utah.edu|
;;;; Improved vertical scrolling commands|
;;;; 29-Dec-1993|1.1|~/misc/scroll-in-place.el.Z|

They seem to be a way to archive packages, download latest 
release, have an address to submit bugs, etc...
Which packages should I have to use these lines ?

I suppose the answer lies under my eyes, as always do ;)

 Stefano

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Does xemacs support importing graphics?

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    David> I think you will find this problem has already
    David> been solved by Eric Eide's really *excellent*
    David> scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

-Pez

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This is an addition to my previous post on a short, simple scroll
function:

I should have mentioned the existence of the great (and big) package
scroll-in-place, which belongs ot the standard distribution but is 
certainly not well-known, especially by the beginners (to whose group
I still belong).
>From the few, generally friendly answers I got after my post, it 
seems clear that people would like scroll-in-place to be the default 
scrolling method in (X)emacs.

The experts may tell us whether this is a good idea or not.

Greetings

Remo Badii
Nonlinear dynamics and 
stochastic processes

Paul Scherrer Institute
5232 Villigen
Switzerland

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: Graphics & xemacs
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tim.sullivan@dseg.ti.com writes:
 > Does xemacs support importing graphics?

short-answer:
	(make-annotation "path/to/file.gif" nil 'text)


long-answer (in the info viewer):

* Lispref::	XEmacs Lisp technical reference.
		This manual is for XEmacs 19.14.

  * Glyphs::	   General interface to pixmaps displayed in a
		   buffer or frame.

  * Annotations::  Higher-level interface to glyphs in a buffer.

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Hello,

I would like to add calc-202 (GNU product) in the emacs tools.
But there is an error when compiling the manual for TEX (call texinfo)
and the manual for emacs (makeinfo).

Did anybody succeed in installing calc-202e ??

Thanks for answers !

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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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Tim <tim.sullivan@dseg.ti.com> writes:

> Does xemacs support importing graphics?

It has Lisp support for including graphics in buffers in various ways
(annotations, line glyphs...).

Saving such a buffer is not quite possible: after all, xemacs is an
editor, not a word processor, so what should it do with the graphics
when saving?

A good demonstration of what XEmacs can do with graphics would be the
WWW-browser w3.

What would be possible as well, in theory, would be getting
XEmacs/AucTeX to pick selected parts of a LaTeX input, run them
through LaTeX/dvips/ghostscript/pnmscale (for antialiasing!) and
annotate the appropriate formulae/table with the resulting graphics.
This would help a lot in editing math papers, I believe, but nobody
has implemented it yet.

But XEmacs would have the principal power for it vailable to the Lisp
programmer.


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From: Scott Smyth <smyth@phish.eas.gatech.edu>
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Subject: Xemacs installation problems on Sparc/Linux with Xaw lib
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:51:33 -0500
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I want to install xemacs on the Sparc/Linux machine, and
it all goes ok in configuration and installation until
the compilation crashes because of unresolved commands to
the Xaw lib.

I have RedHat 4.0 with libXaw.so.6.1.  Do I need a different Xaw lib?
Or does anyone know why it might be doing this?

Thanks,
Scott

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>>>>> "aaron" == aaron  <aaron@bootes.xdb.com> writes:

    aaron> i have in my .emacs file: (setq-default c-basic-offset 4)

    aaron> and that worked for c mode, but has no effect in java mode.

    aaron> what do i do to change the indent level of java mode?

Change the setq-default to a setq, and put it in a hook, e.g.:

(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 4))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Scott Smyth wrote:

> I want to install xemacs on the Sparc/Linux machine, and
> it all goes ok in configuration and installation until
> the compilation crashes because of unresolved commands to
> the Xaw lib.

You didn't bump into a gmalloc problem (specifically, __sbrk)?  

> 
> I have RedHat 4.0 with libXaw.so.6.1.  Do I need a different Xaw lib?
> Or does anyone know why it might be doing this?

No, your libraries are just fine...  For some reason, the ./configure
doesn't include -lXmu or -lXt in a few of your makefiles.  I had this very
same problem while compiling today.

The simple fix is to go into the two makefiles, and add in the correct
linker flag.  ie, one complains about Xaw (I think it was Xmu on mine),
and the other complains about Xt.  Just add -lXaw and -lXt where
appropriate.

> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 

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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Problems with SPARCworks debbugger
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>> "dsumpter" == dsumpter  <dsumpter@am.ma.umist.ac.uk> writes:

 dsumpter> I'm trying to use the SPARCworks (XEmacs v19.14) debugger (dbx)
 dsumpter> to debug some Objective C code. The debugger will run the program
 dsumpter> but when I select a source file to add breaks to Emacs complains
 dsumpter> that it can't find the object file associated with that source
 dsumpter> file. I have used the -g option when compiling with gcc
 dsumpter> 2.7.2. Any ideas whats wrong?

Try adding this to your .dbxrc file:

dbxenv output_short_file_name off

-- 
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>>In article <3056726060872465@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

 EN> * Holger Schauer | Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer
 EN> you the possibilities I like | (!) to have in XEmacs (and please,
 EN> Erik don't answer: do it for Emacs | again - I have to get MY
 EN> work done, not yours. That's why I use XEmacs, | not Gnu Emacs).

 EN> "MY work" vs "your work"?

 EN> Emacs and free software in general were supposed to help people
 EN> work in a community, where each programmer could create software
 EN> for himself as well as others who would like to use it, and they
 EN> should not have to do the same work all over again.  when you try
 EN> to make this "my work" vs "your work", you have pin-pointed the
 EN> problem that I suggest in the XEmacs camp: that of conflict,
 EN> competition, reinvention, and reimplementation, the very
 EN> antitheses of free software and cooperation to solve common
 EN> problems.

Sorry, Erik, but you got me completely wrong. It is much more simple
than what you say: I don't want a competetion - I just wanted to point
out that I have to do my work and you have to do yours (and maybe we
can help making other people work and ourselves' a bit easier.) If you
want to say that I belong to the marketing people this is nonsense.
After all we get paid to do our work which is unrelated to who uses that
stuff. 

 EN> it is not a sign of professionalism to blame one's tools, but it
 EN> is even worse not to know them to the degree where they can be
 EN> used appropriately.  if you want quality in your work, you learn
 EN> to use your tools well.  there simply is no other way.

Agreed. But if I can do my job (in XEmacs) with the help of the GUI
fine and don't need to learn every command of e.g. Gnus by heart but
can do the stuff with point-and-click, why the hack shouldn't I use it
(as you seem to say).

 EN> results.  now, it should be reasonably comfortable, but you can't
 EN> make an omelet without breaking eggs, and you can't produce sleek
 EN> cars in open fields, surrounded by dancing young girls and a
 EN> lovely little brook -- you need a dirty, noisy, dangerous and
 EN> restricted environment that is conducive to efficiently producing
 EN> cars that are clean, silent, and safe, suitable to the kind of
 EN> marketing that includes open fields, dancing young girls and a
 EN> lovely little brook.  it shouldn't be needlessly had, but if you
 EN> believe the marketing that is aimed at consumers, and you're a
 EN> producer (of anything), you have been _duped_, big time.

Come on, Erik. In XEmacs you can tell the young girls to go away but
in Emacs you won't see a trace of them. This is the difference in my
view. You seem to say that one *must* learn anything about a tool if
he wants use it professionally, and that this learning should be prior
to using the tool, right ? I (and many others I think) believe that
this is wrong: I prefer a lower learning curve which allows me to
start using simple things and learning the deep complexities when I
have to. This certainly does not imply that I prefer people driving
cars without a licence :-), learning is necessary but I can drive my
car without knowing (in the details) how the car works.

[bashing of marketing deleted]

 EN> | So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like
 EN> pictures, | colors, anything else which people like to use to get
 EN> THEIR work done, | don't use them.  But stop hindering people
 EN> from using them (not to | mention insulting).

 EN> do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious
 EN> marketing campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual
 EN> people" should be allowed to use modern computers.  don't you
 EN> even see the difference?

Erik: please delete the "and" between "Erik" and
"visual-people-haters" and insert an "or", alright ? And I *never*
said that _only_ visual people should use modern computers or just
point-and-click interfaces are allowed. Instead I said that
point-and-click helps at first for many and should therefore IMHO some
kind of default which can/should/must be adopted by the individual
user. 

 EN> and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?
 EN> this is the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_
 EN> who don't even try to read what they're commenting on.

Alright, you don't hinder any people from anything - but you created
the impression that you believe that every GUI user is some kind of
idiot and that you believe that Emacs should never-ever be adapted to
support these poor souls. And this is what I _wanted_ to express and
which I probably did not state clearly enough. And one point left:
why do you react that harsh on an otherwise modest posting ? This is
not necessary, is it ? Put down the flame-thrower and perhaps we will
all get something valuable out of this lengthy discussion.

Holger

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In article <ropzq0nixyo.fsf@faui70c.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>,
	Martin Steffen <mnsteffe@faui70c.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

> I got a problem with xemacs-19.14 on Solaris.2.5. Upon configuration and
> typing make, it seemingly compiles fine until the very end and when it
> comes to dumping the result, it sais:

 [....]

> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
> 	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
> 	fatal: relocation error: 
> 	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory 
> 	`/net/xxxxxx/local/quellen/xemacs-19.14/src'

Under Solaris 2.4 (Generic_101945-10) and sun4m I get:

  unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
    relocation error: value 0x209830 overflows 13 bits at 0xef2c10a4:
    referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so

Does there exist any fix?


	Eeri Kask
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Hi,

where can I found background information about porting XEmacs to
another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I
can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs is more portable than FSF-Emacs
(cleaner input model, etc.), now I want to verify that :-)

I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system, but this
port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing an X112xyz
library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to another computer
system?

I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it can work
in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some native windowing
facility?

Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many tag bits
does its Lisp need?

Thanks for any information,
	Jrg Hhle.
Joerg.Hoehle@gmd.de

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Donald Hunter wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I agree that over use of colours becomes detrimental.  There
> is good research evidence to support this theory.  I think
> that the modeline in XEmacs 19.14 is an example of over use
> of colour.
> 

I use lots of colors in XEmacs.  Mostly because I like it.  Reminds me
of Christmas lights *<:)

What I have found usefull is making a table of all (most) Xt and Xm
functions and constants. (Very big table)  I have XEmacs highlight those
words in a special color.  As I program, I often just guess at the name
of a function and if it turns the right color, I probably got it right. 
Saves me lots of time looking on docs or manpages.

I can quickly find sections of code based on color.  I use the smallest
font I can read so I can get as much on the screen at once.  Colors make
it easier to read (actually not read things that are the wrong color).  

I have found this to be a personal preference.  Many people who sit in
front of my machine find that they get eye strain or headaches very
quickly.  I find that I get eye strain on BW (two color) displays.

Wayne
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>>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
 ...
Karsten> What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities
Karsten> between the two emacsen.
 ...
Karsten> Why don't you just spend the time on useful things?

I agree.  On the other hand, in between the vitriol, Erik made some
valid points so it wasn't a total waste.

Karsten> If you need ideas what do to with your spare time, here is my
Karsten> wishlist:

Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs more compatible

Work towards this goal has been done in the past, and will continue to
be done in the future.  Understand that neither emacs has been very
static and moving targets are difficult to keep coordinated.  A real
problem here is the the C code (the part that implements the lisp
primitives) is quite different now between the emacsen.  We may
already be past the point of no return as far as divergence goes.  I
welcome any and all input to prove me wrong on that last point.

The Lisp code is a different story.  Although there does not exist a 1
to 1 mapping between emacsen, there are an increasing number of
packages in XEmacs which do not contain changes against the maintainer's
version.

Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
Karsten>   while gnus looks for my news)

(This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
too, but I don't expect it any time soon.  The problems associated
with implementing it are not unique to either emacs.  Quoting Erik
Naggum: (the whole article is worth taking the time to look up)

Subject:      Re: Why isn't emacs multitasking?
From:         Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
Date:         1996/09/24
Message-Id:   <3052595613607494@naggum.no>
Newsgroups:   gnu.emacs.help

  ...
  As Emacs is being used for more and more tasks, this is indeed
  becoming more necessary.  However, the display-input-execute loop in
  Emacs needs to handle all interaction with the user if Emacs is not
  to be multi-threaded, and this is hard, if not harder than to make
  Emacs multi-threaded, which does have a number of interesting
  challenges associated with it, to put it mildly.  In particular, a
  multi-threaded Emacs would _probably_ have to be cooperative rather
  than pre-emptive because of the memory management that would
  otherwise require protection of critical sections of the code.
  ...

Karsten> - make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
Karsten>   GNU/emacs? :-)

That's being seriously looked at.  19.15 won't have an official
release until it's resolved.

 ...

Karsten> Thanks to both camps anyway for the best editor(s) I know!

Martin has already made a request for peace, and I do so as well.  If
there is an enemy it certainly isn't Emacs or XEmacs (pick one), it is
Microsoft Word. ;-)
-- 
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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

Ray> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get
Ray> Xemacs to follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo
Ray> system that you could select a path in text to a file, to open
Ray> that file. It was really handy when reading thru doc's and just
Ray> writing code, to be able to check a file.  I hope I have made
Ray> myself clear here, if not email me.

Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's
was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free
to elaborate.
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In article <m29184t4ox.fsf_-_@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
> Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
> Karsten>   while gnus looks for my news)
> 
> (This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
> too, but I don't expect it any time soon. (...)

  I believe a lot of people would be more than happy just to be able
to do something while Gnus is starting up. Could the news perhaps be
fetched by a separate process? After all, you can say M-x compile and
not have to wait for the compilation to finish.

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Laurent Kieffer <kieffer@ensic.u-nancy.fr> writes:

> I would like to add calc-202 (GNU product) in the emacs tools.
> But there is an error when compiling the manual for TEX (call texinfo)
> and the manual for emacs (makeinfo).
> 
> Did anybody succeed in installing calc-202e ??
> 
> Thanks for answers !

Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,
like:

H S
(for hyperbolic sine).

Unfortunately, it shares this sickness with newer GNU Emacs versions.
The latest changes in 2.02e did nothing to help this: it was mostly
some addresses, copyrights, names and comments that were changed.

Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
the original author, but no reply...  I'm afraid the input code is too
obfuscated to really make sense to me...


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Steven L.B.>
 > >>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 > 
 > Ray> [...] can you get Xemacs to follow a selected path[?] I used to
 > Ray> use an old Apollo system that you could select a path in text
 > Ray> to a file, to open that file. [...]
 > 
 > Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to
 > Apollo's was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9
 > years).  Feel free to elaborate.

if Ray means: "select a pathname embedded in text, then open the file
pointed by the pathname", a similar capability was apparently there

it worked like this: when you 1st asked for a file (C-x C-f), then
moving the mouse cursor over something resembling a (remote?) filename
hilited the pathname, and clicking button2 opened the file

but it never worked very well... i wonder if it was excised from
XEmacs 19.14, as it isn't here anymore, and i can find nothing in my
.emacs that denies such behavior, or maybe it is that i load efs in
place of ange-ftp...

any enlightment will be appreciated, tia

                                                                gb









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In article <3056657599662413@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum  <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
> -p convention for a _variable_?)

Quite a lot of people, it would appear.

violet:/usr/local/gnu/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp 08:41:51 (751)
$ egrep -l '\((defvar|setq) [a-z][^ ]*-p ' *.el
cc-mode.el
cl-extra.el
cl-seq.el
completion.el
cust-print.el
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ian

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Steven L. Baur writes:
 > >>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 > 
 > Ray> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get
 > Ray> Xemacs to follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo
 > Ray> system that you could select a path in text to a file, to open
 > Ray> that file. It was really handy when reading thru doc's and just
 > Ray> writing code, to be able to check a file.  I hope I have made
 > Ray> myself clear here, if not email me.
 > 
 > Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's
 > was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free
 > to elaborate.

Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file
name contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the
document being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I
know this may exist already!

However, it's not too much trouble to do this using gnudoit via an
xterm...at present I highlight the file, find an xterm and then issue
"xemacs <filename>".  I have a shell script published on this group
some time ago which will then use gnudoit to open the window if the
server has been started.

Of course, Ray may have meant something completely different...

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>>In article <3056783968196749@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

 EN> * David Kastrup | When did you receive the right to speak for
 EN> all?

 EN> *sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention,
 EN> dammit!  I'm objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I
 EN> don't.  there's a sizable minority who do not prefer the "modern"

You only spoke for yourself and state that any individual should
prefer (and be able to do so) what-ever he likes and that you (IYHO)
don't like GUIs (and don't want anybody to force you to use one). This
is fine and I agree with you (although I do use GUIs - i.e. X). But
the important point is that you don't say (or at least you just said
it implicitly) "Okay, go ahead, build your GUI but leave me with my
idea of environment" Instead you explain why *YOU* don't like GUIs and
Steve Jones tries to explain why many users prefer GUIs. I can't find
that he wants you to use a GUI.

Holger
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Yes, there is a variable that controls garbage collection:

C-h v gc-cons-threshold

gc-cons-threshold's value is 1048576
  -- a built-in integer variable.

Documentation:
*Number of bytes of consing between garbage collections.
"Consing" is a misnomer in that this actually counts allocation
of all different kinds of objects, not just conses.
Garbage collection can happen automatically once this many bytes have
been
allocated since the last garbage collection.  All data types count.

Garbage collection happens automatically when `eval' or `funcall' are
called.  (Note that `funcall' is called implicitly as part of
evaluation.)
By binding this temporarily to a large number, you can effectively
prevent garbage collection during a part of the program.

See also `consing-since-gc'.


Thats what I set it to in my .emacs:

;;; ********************
;;;; switch off garbage collection during load
(setq gc-cons-threshold (* 1024 1024))

Maybe we should put something like this in the FAQ, since it _really_
helps reducing the slowdown due to gc - but for the price of memory
pileup...

HTH,
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David Kastrup writes:
 > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,
 > like:
 > 
 > H S
 > (for hyperbolic sine).

some prefix keys work, others don't; the H prefix almost... i found
that, e.g., HSS gives you the hyperbolic sine (and HCC the cosine,
etc), but it is not like this that it should work

a chronic problem with lucid emacs, ooops XEmacs , was and still
remains the sleek help system that Dave Gillespie devised --- it never
worked

some time ago i had emacs 18.59 lying around in my disk space, just to
run calc (the finest) as it deserves --- has anyone a 18.59 binary kit
for an hp? i remember that building 18s was not that simple...

ciao
                                                                gb

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Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

>I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
>follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
>select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
>when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file. 
>I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

I am not sure that I completely understand what you want, but it
sounds very like you want Michelangelo Grigni's find-file-at-point
stuff.  It is (allegedly) at
<ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu:/pub/mic/emacs/> (ffap.el etc)

It is nice and easy to set up and (in my experience at least) works
well.

I hope this is what you are after, if it isn't I can't help further.

Pete


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
[...]
>I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
>_choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
>like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
>_YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
>the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
>against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.
[...]

I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_
people to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers
seem to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

Example 1: Every other X program I use allows me to change the look of
scrollbars (if it has them). Emacs does not, no amount of fiddling
with Xresources or widget libraries will change it, it's been fixed.
This allows the developers the choice of using a flat black-and-white
scrollbar which will look fine on your black and white screen. 
It also denies other users the _choice_ of a colour 3D-look scrollbar
to match their other programs. Providing this _choice_ would _not_
deny you the choice of a flat black-and-white scrollbar.

Example 2: Face support on terminals - something I've been looking for
since it was done for X. About 19.25 I found it, someone had written
it and shared it in the spirit of the GPL. It was never accepted by
the Emacs developers, presumably it didn't fit the grand design, Emacs
developers were upset at the prospect of faces/colours on terminals
and so the rest of us were denied the choice.


I do not wish to deny you the choice of a black-and-white screen etc.,
but adding a choice of colours does not restrict your choice of black
and white, insisting that black and white should be the only choice,
because that is all you have, does restrict others who want to use
colour (for whatever reason - people are different).

All this is need not be a problem, as explained in the GNU Manifesto:

  ...a user who needs changes in the system will always be free to
  make them himself, or hire any available programmer or company to
  make them for him.  Users will no longer be at the mercy of one
  programmer or company which owns the sources and is in sole position
  to make changes.

Under the GPL they can, and indeed should, pass on those changes to
others that they might benefit from them. So are new versions born, to
be different things to different users with different requirments.


Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 
Apparently users who make modifications are supposed to argue with the
"developers" until they either convince them that the modifcations are
"the right thing" for the "one true version", or get bored and go and
do something productive. At no stage should unofficial versions be
released to offer users the _choice_ of using them.


You say elsewhere in the thread:

  XEmacs continues to draw away programmers from the Emacs community
  who _could_ have implemented this in Emacs.  "we have XEmacs, so why
  bother"

Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.
If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved
tty support. I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented
(at least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

ray

-- 
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         "Forty Two! Is that all you've got to show for 
          seven and a half million years' work?" 

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 I've discovered something...  VM never crashes if I'm using FVWM2
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Subject: xoobr where ?
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Hallo,

I tried to use OO-Browser -> Class -> Graphical-View from the menu.
It failed with the following message:
Searching for program: No such file or directory, xoobr
I suppose, that xoobr is an X-application invoked by my command,
but is not available on my system?
Unfortunately I could not find any software like 'oobr' or 'xoobr'
on the net.
Could someone please give me a hint, where to find it or how to
invoke it correctly?

Many thanks

Harald


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From: anarayan@vrunda.india.hp.com (A.Narayan)
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Subject: Displaying JPEG images
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Hi,

I'm using XEMACS version 19.14 on HP-UX 10.10 Whenever I go to a web site with
JPEG images, the Emacs-W3 browser doesn't display them. Instead it displays
something like

[[IMAGE(cover1.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(cover2.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(savvy.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(shcover.jpg)] ]

But it displays gif images properly.

As far as I can understand, the XEMACS manual says that it has features
inbuilt to display JPEG images.

I'm not able to figure out why it can't display JPEG images. Do I have to
download some utilities that can convert JPEG images to something that
XEMACS can display.

Any help would be appreciated.

Narayan <anarayan@india.hp.com>

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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
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Subject: Re: Displaying JPEG images

XEmacs can decode jpeg images internally if it was built with =
the option switched on.  You need to link XEmacs with a jpeg
library for this to work.

>From the XEmacs 'INSTALL' instructions:

The `--with-jpeg' option specifies that XEmacs should support JPEG
image conversion.  This option requires libjpeg from the Independent
JPEG Group which is available on the XEmacs ftp site.  `configure'
will attempt to detect if you have libjpeg and define `--with-jpeg'
for you.

Hope this helps,

Donald.

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>>>>> "Joerg" == Joerg Hoehle <hoehle@zeus.gmd.de> writes:

Joerg> Hi,

Joerg> where can I found background information about porting XEmacs
Joerg> to another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in
Joerg> Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs
Joerg> is more portable than FSF-Emacs (cleaner input model, etc.),
Joerg> now I want to verify that :-)

O.K.  The best information is the XEmacs internals manual in the 19.14
distribution.  You can view this information on line in Info mode.

Joerg> I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system,
Joerg> but this port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing
Joerg> an X112xyz library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to
Joerg> another computer system?

Joerg> I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it
Joerg> can work in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some
Joerg> native windowing facility?

You'll need to make changes to call something other than X11 for
graphics.

Joerg> Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many
Joerg> tag bits does its Lisp need?

It's the same as Emacs.  On a 32 bit machine, 28 bits are used for
value and 4 bits are used for the tag.

I encourage you to get on the xemacs-beta development list.  Send an
email message to xemacs-beta-request@xemacs.org with a subject of
subscribe and follow the directions you get back.

We're currently reorganizing how this works with the express purpose
of opening the development process up to a wider audience.  See the
FAQ parts 6 and 1 for some details on what is happening right now.
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From: Steven Esau <stevene@asymetrix.com>
Subject: Confession At Gun-Point By Steven Esau

Mark J. Christie's mother visited me last night. Suddenly, she whipped out a
gun and shoved it right into my mouth! She said: "Asshole, I don't like
lawyers! They can't be trusted and you sure have no shit conscience lying
and hurting an innocent young man. Do you remember Jeffrey Tay from
Singapore? (Steven pretends he does not know and Mark J. Christie's mother
thrusted the gun deeper down his throat!) As always, the coward finally
confessed (after wetting his pants!). This is Steven Esau's confession:

1. I did send Jeffrey Tay a letter authorizing him to distribute KaiZenWare.

2. I did not announce it to anyone. The idea is to make sure that only
Jeffrey Tay knows of the existence of the letter and nobody else needs to know. 

3. When those folks at the ToolBook mailing list was discussing about
KaiZenWare and about creating authoring tools using Asymetrix ToolBook, I
simply kept quiet. Everyone had the impression that KaiZenWare was illegal.
I didn't tell them that I have sent Jeffrey Tay a letter to authorize him to
distribute KaiZenWare because I don't want anyone to know that KaiZenWare is
an exception.

4. When he found out and joined the ToolBook mailing list, I simply refused
to answer. Everyone on the ToolBook mailing list still thinks that
KaiZenWare is illegal because we will never admit that we sent Jeffrey Tay a
letter to authorize him to distribute KaiZenWare.

Mark J. Christie's mother will be staying with me for the next few days. She
said she does not trust lawyers and will hold me hostage to punish me. She
specifically forbid me to change my pants because she wants that "thing" to
rot and itch.

Mark J. Christie's mother revealed that she spoke to Jeffrey Tay over the
phone. She managed to persuade Jeffrey Tay to let everyone on earth use his
software for FREE. Of course, voluntary donations will be appreciated. For
those who want Jeffrey Tay to create a version of KaiZenWare to run on
ToolBook 3, 4 or ToolBook II runtime, please send him a copy of your
software and he will upgrade KaiZenWare for you for FREE. Please contact him
in advance before you send your software to him. 

To find out more about KaiZenWare, use Excite and HotBot and use
"kaizenware" as the keyword to search the database.

Thank you.
P.S. I am starting to itch in the you know where. Funny, my tongue kept
snaking around the barrel of the gun; I think I am beginning to enjoy it!
(the gun is still inside his mouth).


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From: Mark Christie <mapsing@pacific.net.sg>
Subject: Confession At Gun-Point By Mark J. Christie

Mother! Please don't shoot! I'll confess! I'll confess! (Mark J. Christie's
mother is pointing a gun at his head and threatening to blow off his brain
if he does not come clean). Please forgive me Steven Esau (Steven is the
general counsel of Asymetrix Corporation, USA <stevene@asymetrix.com>), my
mom will be visiting you later. This is what happened and I emphasize this
is the absolute truth.

***The Objective - Get Jeffrey Tay's software called KaiZenWare
Jeffrey Tay created a multimedia authoring tool called KaiZenWare in 1993.
However, he has not released it for a variety of reasons. This year (1996)
we came to know about it and wanted to get hold of KaiZenWare but we did not
succeed. He found a company interested in marketing his software but we
sabotaged him by telling that company that KaiZenWare violates Asymetrix's
copyright without even seeing KaiZenWare (remember he refused to let go of
his software). Details of this can be found at:
http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/comments/21612.htm.

The question is: How to get hold of Jeffrey's Tay software called
KaiZenWare? We hatched out a plot to lure him to release his software called
KaiZenWare. This is how the plot works:

Stage 1 we gave him a letter from Steven Esau, general counsel of
Asymetrix Corporation, USA <stevene@asymetrix.com> which authorized him
to distribute his software called KaiZenWare.

Stage 2 we waited for him to fall for our trap. He started marketing his
software called KaiZenWare on the Internet in Aug 1996 and we proceeded
to download a copy for our own reference so that we can copy his ideas.

Stage 3 whenever someone enquired about KaiZenWare we will tell them that
it is illegal (members of the ToolBook mailing list have been told in Aug
1996 that it is illegal) and we refuse to acknowledge the fact that
KaiZenWare is an exception and that Steven Esau has indeed sent Jeffrey
Tay a letter to authorize the distribution of KaiZenWare.

Stage 4 we keep totally quiet about this dual-reality. Jeffrey Tay is the
only one who knows of the letter from Steven Esau. Jeffrey Tay does not
know that members of the ToolBook mailing list thinks it is illegal.
Jeffrey Tay does not know that we spread words that it is illegal.

Stage 5 we will carry on this charade and will ensure that nobody buys
KaiZenWare because they think it is illegal. Jeffrey Tay can spend the
rest of his life wasting time and money marketing KaiZenWare but nobody
will buy because they think it is illegal.

Unfortunately, Jeffrey Tay found out and complained to members of the
ToolBook mailing list. Our good friend who owns the list speedily
arranged to forbid Jeffrey Tay from posting articles to members of this
list even though he has just subscribed to the list.

The idea is to gag Jeffrey Tay and to let everyone else say bad things
about KaiZenWare and Jeffrey Tay and ensuring that Jeffrey Tay does not
have a chance to ask questions and answer questions.

Is this cruel? This is the world of business and it is necessarily dirty
and cruel. I have no sympathy for Jeffrey Tay because I also want to copy
his ideas. I also want to make lots of money. Who cares about Jeffrey Tay
even though his software called KaiZenWare was developed and tested in
1993? Jeffrey Tay's job is to prove that his software is good and then
our job is to steal his idea and prevent him from selling KaiZenWare by
sabotaging him secretly.

Please broadcast this message to everyone on the Internet. Jeffrey Tay is
a one-man show working from home and he needs all the help he can get.
Steven Esau has to answer one question: Did he send a letter to Jeffrey
Tay authorizing Jeffrey Tay to distribute KaiZenWare?

Thank you.

P.S. To find out about KaiZenWare, use Excite and HotBot and use
"kaizenware" as the keyword to search the database. 





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From: Dave Gillespie <daveg@synaptics.com>

David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
> Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

There is a simple patch that will fix this bug.  In `calc-fancy-prefix'
in calc-ext.el, add 

    (and prefix
+	 nil
	 (not calc-is-keypad-press)
	 (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

to disable the too-clever stuff in the second half of the function.
The latter stuff was there only to deal with an obscure case that
isn't really important.

> Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
> the original author, but no reply...

I must have lost your mail message, which is inexcusable.  I apologize!

								-- Dave

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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

> Steven L. Baur writes:

>>>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 
>>> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
>>> follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
>>> select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
>>> when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file.
>>> I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

>> Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's was
>> brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free to
>> elaborate.

> Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file name
> contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
> window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
> within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the document
> being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I know this may
> exist already!

Actually, I think its already in there -- almost.  Hyperbole implements the
ability to click on implicit buttons in files and have them be activated.  One
of the types of implicit buttons is "delimited pathname".  For instance, if
you had hyperbole activated in your environment, you could simply click on
something like "/tmp/file.name" with Sh-button2 in any window and it would do
a find-file-other-window on that file.  The one problem is that the filename
needs to have delimiters of some sort or Hyperbole will interpret it as an ID
and attempt to do a find-tag-other-window on it.  This is very useful if
you're working on C code and want to:

* find-tag-other-window an ID
* open a file that was in a #include
* see the MAN page for a library function (did I mention that it has the
  ability to do this, too?  :-)

To activate Hyperbole, just put this at the end of your .emacs:

	(require 'hsite)

Hyperbole can do *A LOT* more than this (thanks, Bob).  For instance, I
mentioned implicit buttons above which should hint that you could also define
explicit buttons.  Check the Info documentation.

-- 
==================================================================
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408-456-6836				P.O. Box 49055 M/S F1-9440
davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
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      I only speak for myself -- it keeps me out of trouble

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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Finster <finster@ave.ac.agit.de> writes:

Harald> Searching for program: No such file or directory, xoobr I
Harald> suppose, that xoobr is an X-application invoked by my command,
Harald> but is not available on my system?

xoobr is distributed with XEmacs, but you have to build it yourself.
The source is located in the lisp/oobr/tree-x directory.
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com> writes:

David> I think you will find this problem has already
David> been solved by Eric Eide's really *excellent*
David> scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

Peter> If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
Peter> would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
Peter> makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

O.K.  Noted.

I have two problems with making scroll-in-place the default.

It breaks the behavior of the Gnus SPC command which doubles as a
paging command and as a next message command.  Moreover, it breaks it
quietly so that SPCs appear to be dropped by XEmacs.

I don't particularly care for the action of page down at the end of
buffer.  If the last line is a partial line, it doesn't get completely
shown until the cursor is moved explicitly to the bottom of the
buffer.  Also, attempting to page down can result in the cursor going
up in the buffer if point is close to the end of the buffer.

Taken together these are annoying nits as bad or worse than what
you're trying to replace.

Speaking of interface changes, would anyone be too upset if scroll-up
and scroll-down were made more zmacs-region friendly as in the
following?

(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

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mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:


   Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file
   name contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
   window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
   within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the
   document being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I
   know this may exist already!

I think you can do what you want with a few lines of Lisp:

(defvar around-path-regexp  "[^~/a-zA-Z0-9._+-]\\|$\\|\\`\\|\\'")

(defun mark-full-path-around-point nil ""
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  (interactive)
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    (mark-full-path-around-point)
    (setq filename  (buffer-substring (region-beginning) (region-end)))
    (message filename)
    (find-file filename)))

(global-set-key "\C-x4v" (quote visit-full-path-around-point))

Now put the point on a filename and do C-x 4 v. Not elegant, but
functional.

-- 
Rick Braumoeller
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
rickb@sgi.com  415 933-4506

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Following up to my own post after doing some poking around ...

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com> writes:

Peter> If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
Peter> would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
Peter> makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

Steven> I have two problems with making scroll-in-place the default.

Steven> It breaks the behavior of the Gnus SPC command

Fixed by:
(defun turn-off-scroll-in-place ()
  (set (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place) nil))

(add-hook 'gnus-article-mode-hook 'turn-off-scroll-in-place)

Steven> I don't particularly care for the action of page down at the
Steven> end of buffer.

Fixed by:
(setq scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob t)

Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> points out that we need to have
turn-off hooks in three different vm modes as well.

So making this change looks O.K. to me.  It *is* an annoyance to do
C-v and M-v and end up somewhere other than where you started.

Any objections, and why?
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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In article <56cd3m$4hk@route1.france3.fr> boyd@france3.fr (Boyd Roberts) writes:

   In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>, Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr says...
   >
   >I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
   >want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.

   You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
   enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.
   Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
   discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

   I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
   for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
   but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
   on good design.

Efficiency is certainly a very important criterion.  When we are talking about
efficiency in a user interface, there are other factors besides the number of
keystrokes or mouse clicks worth considering.  The most critical, IMHO, is how
easy it is to remember all of the commands you need.  For the casual user, a
GUI is probably more efficient because it presents the selection of commands
visually in an obvious place.  At some point, for those of us who rely on a
tool extensively (I currently have 7 windows open, 5 are GNU Emacs frames, one
is a console xterm and the other is Z-Mail), minimizing the number of
keystrokes and avoiding the mouse entirely becomes the most efficient
interface.  There is a difference in usage pattern driving the choice.

Now if we look at the market for commercial software, we should all have
noticed that new releases come out with an alarming frequency, and they
sometimes have interface changes.  This means that users are replacing their
entire tool set every few years and learning new tools constantly.  Having an
obvious interface makes a program more markettable under these conditions.
While Emacs is not commercial software and is not designed for the same uses
as so many of the GUI tools out there, it runs on many of the same machines.
Therefore, as you pointed out, people notice the look first because it is just
another window among many.

I suspect that the criteria used by programmers to select their tools will
always differ from our customer's.  And we are not alone in this.  I have a
good friend who does freelance proofreading and typesetting.  She does all of
her initial editing using XYWrite because it is powerful and fast.  When she
is done with that she imports the documents into whichever desktop publishing
tool she is using.

I have chosen Linux, X, Emacs and TeX at home over flashy WYSIWYG tools.  For
me they are practical.  I am doing heavily customized tasks that no tools come
packaged out of the box to do.  These tools provide both the mechanism to do
the customization and excellent documentation for how to do it.  I've written
a major mode for Emacs, a macro file for TeX that interprets a different
character set, and keyboard bindings for Emacs to allow me to type it
efficiently.  I went out and found fonts for it on the net and installed them.
These are not typical end user tasks.  I don't expect shrink-wrapped software
to do them.  If all I wanted to do was type memos in a single Western European
language (ISO 8859/1 character set), any word processor ought to do the trick.
If it doesn't these days, then it is defective, or the platform it is running
on is.

You have to choose the tools to suit the task you are doing and the pattern of
your usage.  For infrequent users, who are in the majority, obvious
standardized menus are great.  For frequent users, the eat more screen space
and CPU overhead than they are worth.  It really isn't a matter of
intelligence (unless you choose a tool for the wrong reasons and get the one
that is least efficient for you).

- Dale
--
D. Dale Gulledge, Software Engineer
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hoehle@zeus.gmd.de (Joerg Hoehle) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> where can I found background information about porting XEmacs to
> another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I
> can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs is more portable than FSF-Emacs
> (cleaner input model, etc.), now I want to verify that :-)
> 
> I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system, but this
> port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing an X112xyz
> library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to another computer
> system?

  Nope.  Used to be, but with 19.12 and later, the redisplay has been
completely rewritten to be much more modular.  Each output device (X, TTY,
etc.) provides a 'device' interface for doing things like output, menubars,
scrollbars, fonts, etc.

> I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it can work
> in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some native windowing
> facility?

  All the better. :)  More work though.  What OS are you thinking of
targetting?

> Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many tag bits
> does its Lisp need?

  Same as Emacs 19.

-Bill P.

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>>>>> "Ola" == Ola Rinta-Koski <Ola.Rinta-Koski@iki.fi> writes:
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Ola> In article <m29184t4ox.fsf_-_@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>> >>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
Karsten> while gnus looks for my news)

sb> (This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
sb> too, but I don't expect it any time soon. (...)

Ola> I believe a lot of people would be more than happy just to be
Ola> able to do something while Gnus is starting up. Could the news
Ola> perhaps be fetched by a separate process? After all, you can say
Ola> M-x compile and not have to wait for the compilation to finish.

Part of the problem is you're using an old version of Gnus, as Lars
has made many, many improvements since 5.0.13.  After figuring out the
right variables to tweak, and killing all my unsubscribed groups,
etc. (as described in the Gnus FAQ), Gnus has been pretty fast to
start up for me.  There is now some asynchronous news fetching
support, though I've never felt the need to use it.

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I would like to determine if this is supported
and what I'd have to setup to accomplish this
(if it is supported).
Thanks.

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From: ray@picard.comsat.net (Ray Curtis)
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Subject: XEmacs Function Question
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I am trying to get VM to run fetchmail instead of its own builtin
popclient so I have defined this:

This is defined in my .emacs file:
(defun fetchmail () "Run Fetchmail." (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

This is defined in my .vm file:
(define-key vm-mode-map "g" '/usr/bin/fetchmail)

However I get an error:
Symbol's function definition is void: /usr/bin/fetchmail

Any suggestions or idea's what I have done wrong here, or am I just
trying to do something that can't be done.

Thanks,

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Ray Curtis (ray@picard.comsat.net) wrote:
> I am trying to get VM to run fetchmail instead of its own builtin
> popclient so I have defined this:
> This is defined in my .emacs file:
> (defun fetchmail () "Run Fetchmail." (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

(defun my-fetchmail ()
 "Run Fetchmail."
 (interactive)
 (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

> This is defined in my .vm file:
> (define-key vm-mode-map "g" '/usr/bin/fetchmail)

(define-key vm-mode-map "g" 'my-fetchmail

> However I get an error:
> Symbol's function definition is void: /usr/bin/fetchmail

Exactly -- since you have bound "g" to an `/usr/bin/fetchmail'
function (that doesn't exist), instead to `fetchmail' (or
`my-fetchmail', which is more correct).

> Any suggestions or idea's what I have done wrong here, or am I just
> trying to do something that can't be done.

Of course it can be done -- this is Emacs. :-)

-- 
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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: info - how to read info files in my home dir??
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i did not get any replies, thus the repost.
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hi,

i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
heck do i do this?

thanks,

- -pjf
- -- 
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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
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each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
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    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
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    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
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    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
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    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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From: Timo Korvola <tkorvola@frodo.hut.fi>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs wishlist (was Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? -- Enough)
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Karsten> - make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
> Karsten>   GNU/emacs? :-)
> 
> That's being seriously looked at.  19.15 won't have an official
> release until it's resolved.

One thing where XEmacs is behind its GNUish competetion is screen
updates on slow tty lines.  Terminal capabilities aren't used very
efficiently and a lot of needless reprinting gets done when e.g. text
is scrolled or the window configuration is changed.  GNU Emacs on the
other hand seems to be very good at doing screen updates efficiently.

Apart from this, other tty-related features that I miss when using
XEmacs are terminal menu mode and xterm-mouse-mode.  Face support is
nice, though.

-- 
	Timo Korvola		<URL:http://www.math.hut.fi/~tkorvola/>

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Hi everybody !

Are you male? O.K. Are you female? O.K. No matter what kind of newsgroup
you are belonging to, because everybody wants to have fun and pleasure.

Here are the good news: http://pleasurecove.com . The latest adult
entertainment for your personal fun and pleasure. Check it out, right
now.

Kisses

Tracy

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In article <56fuen$2gd@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de>,
	ek1@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de (Eeri Kask) writes:

> Under Solaris 2.4 (Generic_101945-10) and sun4m I get:
> 
>   unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
>     relocation error: value 0x209830 overflows 13 bits at 0xef2c10a4:
>     referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> 
> Does there exist any fix?

Don't use GCC 2.6.3, take 2.7.2.1 instead.  :-)


	Eeri Kask

-- (eeri @ freia . inf . tu-dresden . de)

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 (zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu) wrote:
> i did not get any replies, thus the repost.
> hi,
> i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
> files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
> heck do i do this?

`C-u C-h i whatever.info RET'

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define a
mechanism what to do when an IO function (like insert-file-contents)
fails.  This is the best I could do:

    (condition-case err
	(insert-file-contents sigs-file)
      (error (progn
	       (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
	       (signal (car err) (cdr err)))))

So, if 'insert-file-contents fails, the buffer is killed, and an error
is signaled.  Is this the Right way to do it?

1) I haven't seen much lisp code do it like this
2) Should I use unwind-protect?  Which is better?
3) (signal (car err) (cdr err)) seems *very* unclean!

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
> i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
> files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
> heck do i do this?

When in info mode, type 'g' and enter the filename. You might also
want to add your homedirectory to the infopath.

(setq Info-directory-list (append '("/home/zinc") Info-default-directory-list))


Markus

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> (defun my-fetchmail ()
>  "Run Fetchmail."
>  (interactive)
>  (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

I do not know, what "fetchmail" does, but wouldn't this code work
better, because it does not involve a shell and does not worry about
the output of the command:

(defun my-fetchmail ()
 "Run Fetchmail."
 (interactive)
 (call-process "fetchmail" nil 0 nil))


Markus

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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrv> I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define
Hrv> a mechanism what to do when an IO function (like
Hrv> insert-file-contents) fails.  This is the best I could do:

You definitely want to use unwind-protect in this instance.

>(condition-case err
>    (insert-file-contents sigs-file)
>        (error (progn
>	       (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
>	       (signal (car err) (cdr err)))))

Hrv> So, if 'insert-file-contents fails, the buffer is killed, and an error
Hrv> is signaled.  Is this the Right way to do it?

Hrv> 1) I haven't seen much lisp code do it like this
Hrv> 2) Should I use unwind-protect?  Which is better?

unwind-protect executes the clean up forms whenever the stack is
unwound by either a throw (non-local exit), or by a signal (error
condition).  Condition-case handles only the error condition and can
be bypassed by a non-local exit.

Here's some sample code that illustrates the differences: (tested on
Emacs 19.34 and XEmacs 19.15)

(defun test-func (foo)
  "Test Function."
  (cond (foo (throw 'some-random-condition "Return Result"))
	(t (signal 'error "some-data"))))

(defun wrapper-1 (foo)
  "Wrapper for test function."
  (catch 'some-random-condition
      (condition-case err
	  (test-func foo)
	(error (message "Caught Error Condition")))))

(defun wrapper-2 (foo)
  "Wrapper for test function."
  (catch 'some-random-condition
      (unwind-protect
	  (test-func foo)
	(message "Caught Error Condition"))))


If you call (wrapper-1 t), the "Caught Error..." message is never
executed, but if you call (wrapper-2 t) it will be.

In the error signaling case, (wrapper-1 nil) will cause the error to
be caught and never signalled up.  Unwind-protect (wrapper-2 nil), the
error condition does get propagated up.  Since this appears to be what
you want anyway, use unwind-protect.

I hope that makes it a little clearer.

Hrv> 3) (signal (car err) (cdr err)) seems *very* unclean!

Yes.
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Shane Holder posted a benchmark utility to this newsgroup a few days
ago, and I'd like to comment on it.  (It is *wonderful* news).

Shane> I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so
Shane> slow in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a
Shane> benchmark package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and
Shane> included at the bottom, I'd be interested in any
Shane> comments/flames.  I should do more iterations, but I just
Shane> haven't gotten that far yet.

First of all Shane, thank you for providing the benchmark.  The
biggest comment I have is that it appears to only cover display
performance.  If you want to do more tests, I would recommend doing
various non-display computational sorts of things.

Anyway, here are the results I got running it: (19.34 -vs- 19.14[1])
compiled with similar optimization settings (-O4, Linux/ELF 2.0
kernel, on a slow, stupid Cyrix 486/66).

Emacs 19.34
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           5.2587159999  5.2587159999 (hanoi)
bench-mark-2   1           22.319042000  22.319042000 (font-lock)
bench-mark-3   1           280.97348300  280.97348300 (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           3.1149910000  3.1149910000 (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           148.00331200  148.00331200 (byte-compile)

Emacs 19.14
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           32.556711999  32.556711999 (hanoi)
bench-mark-2   1           24.582392999  24.582392999 (font-lock)
bench-mark-3   1           306.13799399  306.13799399 (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           0.7691689999  0.7691689999 (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           262.15874100  262.15874100 (byte-compile)

First off notice that the biggest discrepancies are against hanoi and
the byte-compile tests.  The Tower of Hanoi game is extremely display
intensive.  The byte-compile test is comparing apples and oranges.
The XEmacs byte compiler is optimizing and the 19.34 byte-compiler is
not.  Turning off byte-compiler optimization via:

(defun bench-mark-6 ()
  ; Byte compile a file
  (let ((byte-optimize nil))
    (byte-compile-file large-lisp-file))
)

Resulted in a run time of:
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-6   1           155.63545000  155.63545000 (byte-compile)

Now, XEmacs is slower on each of the larger bench marks except the
make-frame one.  And markedly slower when displaying is involved.  I'd
say this is very strong evidence that the XEmacs performance problem
is solely tied up in the display.  Until the display is turned off
totally I'm willing to discount the differences in performance of the
other tests as well, since the byte-compile test involves a fair
amount of scribbling to the minibuffer.

Shane> I think I read an article by Steven Baur that said something
Shane> about byte compiles, and some other things being slow because
Shane> some part of the code was written in lisp for xemacs, where as
Shane> it's written in C for emacs.

This proved to be a false statement on my part.  The stuff I thought
was done in lisp turned out to be unused code.  On the other hand, I
am now aware of just how much optimizing the byte compiler does (*a
lot*) and am willing to trade off some performance on that for the
optimization, note that turning off optimization makes the performance
comparable to GNU Emacs 19.34, the speed demon.

Shane> I couldn't re-find the article to determine if it had anything
Shane> to do with display code.

It didn't.

We already know there were problems with the display code, it is good
to see that the engine appears to perform comparably, and once we lick
the display, we should be on a par speed-wise with Emacs again.

[1]
I don't have a handy 19.15 executable compiled with run-time debugging
turned off, that is *not* a fair comparison for benchmarking purposes.
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Hi.

I'm not sure if this is strictly a VM question, or more a general
XEmacs question, but at any rate I'm looking for a way to open 4 mail
folders simultaneously when I start VM.  

The reason is that I subscribe to 4 (this may increase) mailing lists
that fill up my inbox with 50-60 messages every morning.  I manage
this using the auto-archive function of VM, which very nicely places
all those messages into 4 separate mail folders.

It's a pain, though, to then have to type the name of all 4 folders to
visit every time, one at a time.  Is there a way that I can configure
XEmacs to automatically pop up a separate frame (perhaps iconified)
for each folder when I start VM?  i.e., when I type 'M-x vm', instead
of just opening my INBOX folder, it will open the INBOX, LIST1, ...,
LIST4 folders.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Cheers,
Dave

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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Hrv> I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define
> Hrv> a mechanism what to do when an IO function (like
> Hrv> insert-file-contents) fails.  This is the best I could do:
> You definitely want to use unwind-protect in this instance.

Yes, I've come to that conclusion.  With the slight change that I want
to kill the buffer anyway, so it makes things even more clean, and the
final form look like:
(unwind-protect
    (progn
      ...everything, including 'include-file-contents...)
  (kill-buffer (current-buffer)))

> In the error signaling case, (wrapper-1 nil) will cause the error to
> be caught and never signalled up.  Unwind-protect (wrapper-2 nil), the
> error condition does get propagated up.  Since this appears to be what
> you want anyway, use unwind-protect.
> I hope that makes it a little clearer.

Yes.  Elisp programming works like a charm. :-)  If I could only find
a good on-line tutorial to learn the basics of Lisp...

E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be
faster, but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want
is:

(setq lst nil)
(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (nconc lst (list x)))

This doesn't work, since (nconc lst '(something)) does not change lst
if it is nil.  This is why my solution is something like:

(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (if lst
      (setq lst (list x))
    (nconc lst (list x))))

But it looks plain ugly.  The same thing with append would look like:

(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (setq lst (append lst (list x))))

Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

-- 
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David Guertin (guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu) wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is strictly a VM question, or more a general
> XEmacs question, but at any rate I'm looking for a way to open 4 mail
> folders simultaneously when I start VM.

Since the vm function accepts a folder arguments, you can try
something like this in your .emacs:

(require 'vm)
(setq my-folders '("folder.one" "folder.two" "folder.three"))
(defun my-vm ()
  "Open all of my folders."
  (interactive)
  (let ((lst my-folders))
    (while lst
      (vm-visit-folder-other-frame (car lst))
      (iconify-frame)     ; decide whether you want them iconified
      (setq lst (cdr lst)))))

> for each folder when I start VM?  i.e., when I type 'M-x vm', instead
> of just opening my INBOX folder, it will open the INBOX, LIST1, ...,
> LIST4 folders.

Type M-x my-vm, and it should do it.

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> Don't use GCC 2.6.3, take 2.7.2.1 instead.  :-)

Ah, this is, what I've done.


My first try was with 2.7.1. When this had failed, I installed gcc-2.7.2,
tried it again and encountered exactly the same error messages when it came
to dumping.

> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
> 	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
> 	fatal: relocation error: 
>	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so



Martin

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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:55:33 +0100, boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it
(giacomo boffi) wrote:

> if Ray means: "select a pathname embedded in text, then open the file
> pointed by the pathname", a similar capability was apparently there
>
> it worked like this: when you 1st asked for a file (C-x C-f), then
> moving the mouse cursor over something resembling a (remote?) filename
> hilited the pathname, and clicking button2 opened the file
>
>but it never worked very well...
I just tried on our DEC Alpha OSF1v3.2 XEmacs 19.14 and it worked just
fine.

May I add a modest contribution to this thread (of which the precise
subject is not clear yet, please Ray feel free to follow Steven's
suggestion) recalling you can use the mini-buffer quite like another
frame.  In the case of interest, you can start loading a file  (e.g
C-x C-f), switch to the other frame (C-x O or C-Tab), select the
filename, come back to the mini-buffer (C-x O or C-Tab again) and
paste (C-y) what you've been selecting previously.

It might look pretty simple and boring but sometimes (if not always)
the simpliest way is the safest.

Serge.


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From: "Jean-Michel Mahe (These)" <JM.Mahe@enst-bretagne.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem to run xemacs
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:50:00 +0100
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Hi,

I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on my platform which is sun-solaris2.5 
from the 2 files below I got from a ftp site: 
 - xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
 - xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4.tar


This installation took place on a particular directory on my account
(not in /usr/local)

After gzip -d and tar xvf, when I lauched xemacs I got, the following
message:

"Required feature x-mouse was not provided"


When I want to open or to save a file, I got the following message:

"wrong number of arguments: (lambda (hook-var hook-function) "prepend
hook-function to hook-var's value if it is not already an element"

Thus I cannot use xemacs since I cannot open or save any file.

Probably it comes from configuration of variables in my .emacs, but I do
not know what variables to set.

Could you help me ? 

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* D. Dale Gulledge
| Now if we look at the market for commercial software, we should all have
| noticed that new releases come out with an alarming frequency, and they
| sometimes have interface changes.  This means that users are replacing
| their entire tool set every few years and learning new tools constantly.
| Having an obvious interface makes a program more markettable under these
| conditions.

hmm.  having a truly _learnable_ interface (i.e., a real language) would
not cause small changes in the user interface to break what people had
learned, so they wouldn't be in need of "easy to use" interfaces in order
to argue for rapid changes.  e.g., for all its negative aspects, the DOS
command language remained essentially the same for 15 years.  the Windows
stuff has changed and will continue to change so frequently that it would
be a colossal waste to study it.  likewise, the Unix command languages have
remained largely the same for 15 years, too.

languages last longer than fashion, be it clothes or GUIs.

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From: Jean-Michel Augusto <jma@acri.fr>
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Subject: Xemacs 19.15 when ?
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Hi,

	
	First at all, I want to say that XEmacs is wonderful.
Thanks to all the XEmacs developpers/testers/writers etc... for their
work.

	I have just two questions :

	1- When is the 19.15 version scheduled ? some users on my systems still
use an old version. I wish to upgrade their configuration to accept the
new version. Should I use the current or the next ?

	2- The major 'problem' reported by users is the size of Xemacs. I
remember a discussion here about a 'light' version of XEmacs with only
few packages added. Is my mind correct? Is that scheduled for the 19.15
version ?

	3- I try to compile the 19.15 version but I find no starting point to
determine which package is loaded at startup. I wish to remove some of
them never used by the user on my site. I take a look at the FAQ but
nothing really clear. So, where can I find this ?


	Thanks for your help.
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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* Ray Auchterlounie
| I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_ people
| to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

if they (XEmacs folks, GUI designers, etc) were in favor of choice, they
would have separated out the functionality from the user interface, and
built an interface to the functionality apart from the user interface.
they didn't.  (some think that OLE or DDE (or whatever TLA is in vogue
today) is the way to go.  it isn't.)

| Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers seem
| to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

how the hell did this "seem to be"?  GNU Emacs would like to use the XEmacs
display engine, as has been said many, many times.  this is impossible, for
all sorts of reasons, most of them having to do with randomly breaking
working code while writing it in the first place, and the rest with sloppy
copyright handling.

I have said so many times that it would border on spam to repeat it, that
what I think is really wrong with XEmacs was that they went off and _broke_
everything just to get their favorite user interface.  I DO NOT CARE _WHAT_
INTERFACE THEY USE.  I care about internals, usability to myself (just like
any other user), and I care about the Emacs Lisp programming language.  I
see in Emacs a fundamental care for the programming _language_.  I see in
XEmacs a fundamental attitude change towards "API"s and "trends" that have
shown _no_ real value for free and shared software, but _lots_ of easily
observable drawbacks.

| I do not wish to deny you the choice of a black-and-white screen etc.,
| but adding a choice of colours does not restrict your choice of black and
| white, insisting that black and white should be the only choice, because
| that is all you have, does restrict others who want to use colour (for
| whatever reason - people are different).

sigh.  I give up.  it isn't _my_ problem that fools like you have to put
words in my mouth and tell me that I "insist that black and white should be
the only choice".  I NEVER HAVE, AND I NEVER WILL insist on that.  OK?  can
you at least try to _remember_ that, now?

| Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
| that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 

your summary of this is as good as you imputing to me that insist that
black and white be the only choice.  in other words, you're lying, and you
know it.  (or you're an idiot, your choice.)  competition _is_ bad, but for
an entirely different reason than you think.  competition requires that two
or more teams implement the same functionality to "compete".  this is not
only bad, it's monumentally stupid.

| Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
| from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.

pay attention, dammit!  if you have to make summaries of things you don't
understand, at least keep them to yourself.  Emacs _cannot_ use the XEmacs
code.  you don't _know_ that the code is GPL'ed just because people say so.
an employee is not allowed to give away his time, and any work for hire, or
what could be construed to be work for hire, requires that the employer
explicitly disclaim copyright or otherwise release the copyright on the
work performed by one of the employees.  if this is not done, the GPL is in
peril, because somebody could claim copyright on parts of the purportedly
GPL'ed code.  if you don't understand this much, at least keep quiet about
what could or could not be done.

| If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
| would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

where and when did you learn of the grand design?  you have talked about
twice, now, only in negative terms.  is it because you think it sounds
suitably sarcastic to talk about you use it?  or is it because you would
like to share some of your grasp of that grand design?

| I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved tty
| support.  I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
| because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented (at
| least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

do you know this?  no, you don't.  was it rejected?  no, it wasn't.  it
could not be implemented in Emacs because some idiots in the XEmacs camp
had stomped all over the code just to implement it.  somebody is trying to
port this XEmacs stuff back into Emacs, but what do the XEmacs folks do?
grin?  laugh?  ridicule Emacs?  continue their marketing campaigns against
Emacs for not having what they have?  or all of the above?  did you say
"benefit other users"?  think again.  XEmacs does not benefit users more
than in the _present_, while free software tries to set a standard for how
software should be shared and developed by lots of people in _cooperation_.
_this_ is the conflict.

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
| list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be faster,
| but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want is:
| 
| (setq lst nil)
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (nconc lst (list x)))

do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
you return it.

    (let ((list ()))
      (while ...
	...
	(push ... list))
      (nreverse list))

(push object list) expands to (setq list (cons object list)), but it can
push onto any list, not just variables.  (require 'cl) to get it.

note that the above form _returns_ the list as its value.

you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
the value locally.

| The same thing with append would look like:
| 
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (setq lst (append lst (list x))))
| 
| Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
| to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
| arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
| only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

`append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you append some
value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need to do N `cdr's.
when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the execution time is
proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N, written O(N).

in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,
or O(N).  your `append' example would perform the O(N) operation N times,
and we can show that the upper bound on the execution time is proportional
to N (i.e., N squared for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), or O(N).

if you add only a small number of elements to a list, O(N) or O(N) won't
matter.  in particular, if the constant k of proportionality is greater
than N, we get kO(N) > O(N), and O(N) would be faster.  assuming no other
constants, "cons+reverse" has a k of 2, and "append" has a k of  (one-half
for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), since, on average, `append' has to scan
over half the elements of the list.  we find that for a list of than more
four elements, "cons+reverse" wins over "append".  this is in terms of CPU
usage.

similar comparisons can be made with space.  "cons+reverse" uses space
proportional to N.  `cons' uses constant space.  `reverse' uses 2N space,
while `nreverse' (n for non-consing) uses N space, so N O(1) and 1 O(N)
give an upper bound proportional to N, i.e., O(N), but k is 2.  the
`append' solution will have to use new cons cells all the time, and `list'
is likewise O(1), while the `append' is O(N), since it copies all the cons
cells, so N (O(1) + 1/2O(N)) gives O(N), but k is again .  using `nconc',
however, we find that the only consing operation is `list'.

so we have
		    time	space	    garbage
"cons+reverse"	    2 O(N)	2 O(N)	    O(N)
"cons+nreverse"     2 O(N)	  O(N)	    -
"append"	     O(N)	 O(N)	     O(N) - N
"nconc"		     O(N)	  O(N)	    -

as long as we count only cons cells, O(N) = N.  leaving a lot of garbage
behind is not nice in Lisp, either.

for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficient for 

Lisp novices use `append' or `nconc' in loops.  if an experienced Lisp
programmer uses them, look very carefully for the reason why they are the
best choice.

if the list is _very_ long lists, the constant of proportionality becomes
important, and if we can find a more complex function that reduces it, we
do.  this function is O(N) in both time and space:

(let* ((list (list first-case))
       (tail list))
  (while remaining-cases
    (setq tail (setcdr tail (list ...))))
  list)

COMPATIBILITY NOTE: Common Lisp's `rplacd' (which Emacs Lisp also has, but
which I did not use because of the confusion) returns the modified cons
cell, while Emacs Lisp's `setcdr' returns the new cdr.  in Common Lisp, one
would write:

    (setf tail (setf (cdr tail) (list ...)))

since `setf' returns the new value, or

    (setf (cdr tail) (list ...))
    (setf tail (cdr tail))

to be explicit.  a sufficiently smart compiler would recognize and exploit
the fact that the value of (cdr tail) could not change between these forms.

#\Erik
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Hi Erik,
(and everyone else)

what I find surprising is that you make the same assertions over and
over again about XEmacs without proving a single one of them.  You
talk about "sloppy code," "breaking code," "undue regard for 'API's"
etc. without proving any of them.  I'll state some points without
claiming anything about what Erik said (except where explicitly
stated).  They stand by themselves.  Readers can decide whether they
prove or disprove anything that Erik said.

- Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik) know why the
  Emacs/XEmacs split really occurred.  It was certainly not because
  both parties didn't want to merge---all we know is that conflicts
  arose.  I have tried to get decent code into FSF (specifically RMS)
  software myself, and have found it difficult to cooperate with him
  long before XEmacs existed.  Being picky about including code from
  others is his choice.  But he can't really complain when others take
  his code and make their own product from it.  In fact, I don't
  remember RMS ever complaining.  I only remember Erik complaining.

- I work at an institution primarily occupied with software
  engineering.  I find large parts of GNU Emacs incredibly convoluted
  (especially when it comes to system dependencies).  I find that much
  of that code was rewritten in a cleaner fashion in XEmacs.  Yes, the
  XEmacs developers did "stomp over" all of the code.  Mainly because
  it proved difficult to maintain and even more difficult to
  understand fully.  Mind you, that's just my personal *impression*,
  not an assertion.

- There is no proof whatsoever for the assertion that GNU Emacs has fewer
  bugs than XEmacs.  Anyone prepared to provide some numbers?  My
  *impression* is that 19.14 is extremely stable.  I cannot speak for
  GNU Emacs.  I have noticed that XEmacs releases are less frequent
  than Emacs releases, and that in the early days (beta?), Emacs 19
  releases occurred at intervals less than a week.  To fix bugs?  I
  don't know.

- The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU Emacs
  one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
  whichever way you want to phrase it).

- Both the Emacs and XEmacs Lisp engines are abysmally slow because of
  ancient language design properties (dynamic scoping) and ancient
  implementation technology (mark-and-sweep GC).  That fundamental
  problem can't be changed by simple "tuning."

- XEmacs abides by the FSF's own copyleft.  Is that "sloppy"?
  The fact that RMS demands stricter regulations is his choice,
  possibly a valid one.  I'm rather happy about the fact that the
  XEmacs developers spent their time on coding rather than paperwork.
  As I understand, Chuck and Ben _have_ signed over the necessary
  paperwork for the inclusion of the XEmacs redisplay engine into
  Emacs.  Can anyone comment?

- Erik claims there's all this discussion about the API.   I've
  checked the xemacs-beta archives where this discussion would
  normally occur (one would expect).  In 15 Megabytes (FIFTEEN
  MEGABYTES) of archive, the word API appears less than 70 times.
  What's the situation with GNU Emacs?  Are any archives available.
  In other words, Erik's assertion (besides being as vague as can be)
  is blatantly false.

- XEmacs uses native datatypes to provide data encapsulation, often
  providing the same constructors and selectors as in GNU Emacs.  GNU
  Emacs may support the same *abstraction* mechanisms, but the fact
  is, that publicly available ELisp code breaks these abstractions all
  over the place.  This is one of the main porting problems for moving
  from GNU Emacs to XEmacs.  Thus, actually providing data hiding
  seems to be necessary to enforce that data abstractions are actually
  used.

- There's nothing inherent in Lisp (especially modern Lisp dialects
  like EuLisp, Common Lisp, or Scheme) that makes it especially
  natural or desirable to represent all complex data by lists or
  vectors.  It just happens to be a programming style common in the
  60's and 70's.  (In the Scheme community, it is generally agreed
  that there should be a facility for opaque data.  It just happens to
  be hard to design at the language level.)  ELisp as a language, as
  much as anyone cares about it, is incredibly dated, and that shows.

- XEmacs runs happily (and is happily used) on B&W displays here.  I
  can't see anything in XEmacs that relies on the fact that color is
  used.

Erik, go get a lollipop and just do it somewhere else.

Cheers =8-} Mike

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Hello,

Does somebody have the changes to do in the startup files in order to
get the ps-print in XEmacs-19.14 to give the same results than in XEmacs-19.13?

In XEmacs-19.13 I was able to print files on a B&W postscript printer
with nice results for each face used in the buffer/region being
printed. (Bold for reserved words, Italics for comments, Bold-italics
for function/macro names, etc). Now, in XEmacs-19.14 I get page with
the same face for reserved words, comments, function/macro names, etc.

I have applied the different patches from the FAQ and mailing-list,
but nothing appears to be fixed. 

Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
background for comments, reserved words, strings that make the code
almost unreadable. (foreground and background are almost the same.)

My frame background is White-Smoke and the Foreground is changed according
to the different faces.

Any hint?

TIA.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu, edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: saving an EDB database breaks with XEmacs 19.14

when i try to save a database, i am told, in the minibuffer

Saving database to file /nfs/rachele/home/boffi/dida/urbano/compitini96/9nov...
Symbol may not be buffer-local: generated-modeline-string

i had to patch slightly edb-1.21 sources to get my elc's built,but
these patches involve only db-interfa and db-summary

anyone can help me?

tia
								gb
ps: the patches:

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Greetings,

Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
Is this the default behavior?

TIA,


-- Kevin
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After split-window-vertically (C-x 2) both the old and the new window
hold the same buffer. Instead, I want to see the next buffer in list
in the newly created buffer. How to do this?

Ciao
	Oliver

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I've loaded to files, foo.cc and foo.h, with foo.cc being the current
buffer. When performing switch-to-buffer

	C-x b foo. TAB

I'm offered foo.cc anf foo.h as possible completions, but I don't want to see
the current buffer but only foo.h. How to do this?

Ciao
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i've got a few questions pertaining to a number of different areas.  hopefully, 
someone can help me out here.  i'm running XEmacs 19.14 Sun Solaris 2.4

    1) is there a way to add types to cc-mode's keyword list?  i use typedefs like 
    USHORT and ULONG, etc. and would like the font-locking mechanism to recognize
    this.  preferably, there would be an interactive mechanism, or at the very
    least, i'd like to be able to create a file with my extra types and have them
    integrated into the keyword list via some function.

    2) with gnus (i've got both 5.2.25 and 5.2.40) i can't find a way to provide
    authorization info for specific extra newshosts.  i tried the option in the
    FAQ but that ends up working for the default newshost, which doesn't require
    authorization.  any ideas?

    3) i've tried both the oobr and etags, but i can't seem to get what i want to work.
    basically, what i'm looking for is a mechanism that will go through a number of
    directories containing c-code, and figure out all the file relationships.  the idea
    being if i'm in some file and want to see the declaration of some struct or function
    that information is just a mouse click away.

    4) i've figured out how to archive my outgoing messages, but what i'd also like is
    a kind of non-destructive delete.  i want to be able to delete messages by having them
    automatically move into a trash folder.  and related to this, when i do a function like
    a move or this non-destructive delete, i don't want to have to expunge the folder manually
    i want it to work auto-magically, like the netscape or eudora mailers. (i don't use 
    netscape as a mailer because i'd like to centralize everything i can in XEmacs, and use
    netscape ONLY as a browser--i'm not that crazy about the W3 browser.

    5) going back to font locking.  is it possible to make the default font, mode dependant.
    for example, in my c-code i prefer to use a mono-spaced font for the obvious reasons.
    but in the info and manual modes, i'd like to be able to use something like times.  or
    as an alternative path, how can i make a new text type, like font-lock-info-mode-default,
    and tie that to the default text font instead of font-lock-default-text (or whatever
    it is).

    6) back to gnus, which variable contains the Gcc: value.  i don't want my article archived for
    gnus, i want to mail them back to myself or put them directly in the vm-inbox folder.

    7) one last guns question.  how do i stop mailcrypt from loading with gnus--and is there a way
    to cause it to load automatically with vm?

alright, i suppose i better not push my luck, and i'll just leave it there.  emails in 
addition to postings appreciated.

thanks in advance,

mark

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   Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:45:51 -0800
   From: Dave Gillespie <daveg@synaptics.com>

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

   There is a simple patch that will fix this bug.  In `calc-fancy-prefix'
   in calc-ext.el, add 

       (and prefix
   +=09 nil
=09    (not calc-is-keypad-press)
=09    (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

   to disable the too-clever stuff in the second half of the function.
   The latter stuff was there only to deal with an obscure case that
   isn't really important.

Good to know.  Considering that calc went through several patches in
the last time on GNU mirrors (where actually mainly wordings were
changed), perhaps you could try to get this through as another patch?
It might look trivial, but it isn't for anybody not into the internals
of calc...  That would really be a help.

   > Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
   > the original author, but no reply...

   I must have lost your mail message, which is inexcusable.  I apologize!

Perhaps you've overlooked it because most messages from me were just
bickerings about calc-3.0 (the thing using Emacs floats internally,
and better simplifying expressions) not being available to the
public...

But certainly I'd not mention this again in this letter.  Getting the
prefix keys to work would really be a more useful patch than the last
few ones on prep.


Thanks,

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Hello,
will
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxaout-motif-static.tar.gz
ever be released ?

fdy
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I know this is probably a dumb question but I've 
scanned the Emacs documentation and can't figure 
out how to solve it....

I recently upgrade from some accient version of 
emacs to xemacs 19.31 and in doing so the 
completion functionality (ESC-/) changed behavior.  
It used to do completion with the same case as the 
thing it was completing, but now it completes all 
in a single case (dictated by the first character 
which it is completing from).  Since I'm writing 
C++ code this is not very much use to me.

I tried looking at completion-ignore-case but this 
doesn't seem to apply.

Could someone point in the right direction?  Also 
is there some other source of useful info so I 
don't need to bother this forum with naive 
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Thanks

Steve Brain
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

  Kevin> Greetings,

  Kevin> Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
  Kevin> so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
  Kevin> instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
  Kevin> Is this the default behavior?

(setq vm-preview-lines nil)

All the available customization variables are in the vm-vars.el file, you
should consider giving it a look.

Best regards,

Oscar

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I'm afraid I have to take Erik into defense on a few poins here...

sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber
[Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:

> - Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik)

Not quite.  He *has* mentioned quite a few interesting things about
the origins of Lucid Emacs, and seems to be quite in the know,
although he sees this by necessity from his side.

>   know why the Emacs/XEmacs split really occurred.  It was certainly
>   not because both parties didn't want to merge---all we know is
>   that conflicts arose.

The original problems were in the Lucid/FSF cooperation.  After Lucid
Emacs was continued by the XEmacs maintainers, there have been
numerous contacts, but there was considerable dissention in both
camps about the possible courses of proceeding to a merger.  Some
enmities arose from that as well.

>   I have tried to get decent code into FSF
>   (specifically RMS) software myself, and have found it difficult to
>   cooperate with him long before XEmacs existed.

RMS admits himself to not being a "people person".  There are quite a
bit of those in the computer camp.  About the most annoying trait is
that he will typically reject suggestions not done as clearly as to
eliminate all doubts how to get sensible behaviour, instead of trying
to figure something out by himself.  Considering the amount of work he
has already on his hands, this attitude is somewhat understandable.
Perhaps it does not always get across in an amicable way.

>   Being picky about
>   including code from others is his choice.  But he can't really
>   complain when others take his code and make their own product from
>   it.  In fact, I don't remember RMS ever complaining.

Same here.

>  - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
> Emacs
>   one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
>   whichever way you want to phrase it).

IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as well.  The
XEmacs display engine was a redesign (due to more requirements as
well, of course), and this redesign has not yet reached the efficiency
one'd want from it.  I certainly hope that future versions will
improve on that, even though the display engine can display more than
fixed size fonts.

>  - Both the Emacs and XEmacs Lisp engines are abysmally slow because
> of
>   ancient language design properties (dynamic scoping) and ancient
>   implementation technology (mark-and-sweep GC).  That fundamental
>   problem can't be changed by simple "tuning."

I do think both of these to have valid potential for future
developments of Emacs (lexical scoping was mentioned a few time in
this group as possible).

>  - XEmacs abides by the FSF's own copyleft.  Is that "sloppy"?
>   The fact that RMS demands stricter regulations is his choice,
>   possibly a valid one.  I'm rather happy about the fact that the
>   XEmacs developers spent their time on coding rather than
>   paperwork.

The GPL is just fine, but the point seems to be that the FSF does not
feel that all parties tacking the GPL on XEmacs sources have the
necessary legal power to claim that they are indeed allowed to tacking
the GPL on.  I have heard that RMS got burned once already with a case
where the employer whistled back some presumably GPL-ed code by one of
its employees, so I can understand he's wary.

>  As I understand, Chuck and Ben _have_ signed over the
>   necessary paperwork for the inclusion of the XEmacs redisplay
>   engine into Emacs.  Can anyone comment?

Would be interesting, yes.

>  - XEmacs uses native datatypes to provide data encapsulation, often
>   providing the same constructors and selectors as in GNU Emacs.
>   GNU Emacs may support the same *abstraction* mechanisms, but the
>   fact is, that publicly available ELisp code breaks these
>   abstractions all over the place.  This is one of the main porting
>   problems for moving from GNU Emacs to XEmacs.  Thus, actually
>   providing data hiding seems to be necessary to enforce that data
>   abstractions are actually used.

Sad, but true.  All the information encapsulation, interface things
which make C++ the rage were also possible in C by adhering to
well-specified interfaces.  It is a sad fact that the necessary
discipline is seldomly present.

The current variant of Emacs Lisp does not take into account this
fallacy of programmers.  Lexical scoping would be a first step in that
direction, but much more would be wanted.  The few attempts in XEmacs
to keep programmers from meddling in internals are a puny attempt in
comparison to what would be needed: a much more powerful scoping
mechanism available in Lisp, not only in the C part of the engine.

>   (In the Scheme community, it is generally agreed
>   that there should be a facility for opaque data.  It just happens
>   to be hard to design at the language level.)

Hey, that was the point I was trying to make!


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> The buffer-history variable is filled with buffer names that are
> switched to in the minibuffer with C-x b (or any other interactive
> command that ends up calling the lisp function `read-buffer').  Each
> time you type in a new buffer name, it will be added to the history.
> Thus, there isn't anything special you need to do to turn it on other
> than use it.
> 
> I hope this explanation makes things clearer.

Doesn't seem to be what happens for me. I use C-x b (and others)
extensively and buffer-history remains nil.

Bill.

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:


  Erik> [...] `append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you
  Erik> append some value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need
  Erik> to do N `cdr's.  when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the
  Erik> execution time is proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N,
  Erik> written O(N). in contrast, `cons' is O(1), 

  Erik> [... very interesting contents follows ...]

This  post is great, is there some manual available online discussing such
performance considerations ? I write some Elisp myself though I did not learn
Lisp at school and was not aware at all of these differences.

Thanks for these interesting explanations,

Oscar

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I've read the info-file on w3. As it stands starting the browser
points to a url and hangs because httpd and pppd weren't started.
The info-file on w3 advise to add a default start-up file in .emacs
but I could not figure out what the syntax should be. Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Hello

I am a fairly new user of XEmacs (and Emacs generally) and I've been trying 
to get AucTeX to work on my system. I am using XEmacs 19.14 under Solaris2.4 
on a Sparc Sun. I installed the precompiled binaries for XEmacs and everything 
works fine in all modes. I've compiled AucTeX (version 9.5a) and installed it 
according to the installation notes provided. However, when I start XEmacs, 
and try to load a LaTeX file, I get an error message;

File mode specification error: (void-function easy-menu-create-keymaps)

in the minibuffer.

Looking in the PROBLEMS file included with AucTeX revealed that I needed 
easymenu.el (or auc-menu.el renamed as easymenu.el). I tried both of these 
files and get the same error messages, namely;

Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap "Face" 1 entry 0xb93>

when starting XEmacs, and

File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument consp #<keymap "LaTeX" 
4 entries 0xce3>)

when opening a LaTeX file.

Has anyone got AucTex to work successfully with XEmacs, or solved a similar 
problem? If so, please can you point me towards a solution. I'm afraid I 
don't know enough about elisp (yet) to figure this one out on my own.

Thanks in advance

Steve

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badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

	> From the few, generally friendly answers I got after my post, it
	> seems clear that people would like scroll-in-place to be the default
	> scrolling method in (X)emacs.
	> 
	> The experts may tell us whether this is a good idea or not.

I think that `scroll-in-place' should be default (eventually), or at least more
well-known.

Currently, there are two principal barriers to making `scroll-in-place' the
default behvaior: incompatibilities with certain packages that do their own
scrolling (VM, Gnus, list-mode), and `scroll-in-place's general ignorance of
variable-height lines in XEmacs.  I am going to take up the charge again to see
how these problems can be resolved.

Until these problems are solved, `scroll-in-place' probably shouldn't be the
default behavior.

Eric.

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(reposted with some corrections.)

* Hrvoje Niksic
| E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
| list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be faster,
| but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want is:
| 
| (setq lst nil)
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (nconc lst (list x)))

do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
you return it.

    (let ((list ()))
      (while ...
	...
	(push ... list))
      (nreverse list))

(push object list) expands to (setq list (cons object list)), but it can
push onto any list, not just variables.  (require 'cl) to get it.

note that the above form _returns_ the list as its value.

you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
the value locally.

| The same thing with append would look like:
| 
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (setq lst (append lst (list x))))
| 
| Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
| to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
| arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
| only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

`append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you append some
value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need to do N `cdr's.
when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the execution time is
proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N, written O(N).

in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,
or O(N).  your `append' example would perform the O(N) operation N times,
and we can show that the upper bound on the execution time is proportional
to N (i.e., N squared for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), or O(N).

if you add only a small number of elements to a list, O(N) or O(N) won't
matter.  in particular, if the constant k of proportionality is greater
than N, we get kO(N) > O(N), and O(N) would be faster.  assuming no other
constants, "cons+reverse" has a k of 2, and "append" has a k of  (one-half
for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), since, on average, `append' has to scan
over half the elements of the list.  we find that for a list of than more
four elements, "cons+reverse" wins over "append".  this is in terms of CPU
usage.

similar comparisons can be made with space.  "cons+reverse" uses space
proportional to N.  `cons' uses constant space.  `reverse' uses N space for
all the fresh cons cells, while `nreverse' (n for non-consing) uses no new
space, so N O(1) and 1 O(N) give an upper bound proportional to N, i.e.,
O(N), but k is 2 for `reverse'.  the `append' solution will have to use new
cons cells all the time, and `list' is likewise O(1), while the `append' is
O(N), since it copies all the cons cells, so N (O(1) +  O(N)) gives O(N),
but k is again .  using `nconc', however, we find that the only consing
operation is `list'.

so we have
		    time	space	    garbage
"cons+reverse"	    2 O(N)	2 O(N)	    O(N)
"cons+nreverse"     2 O(N)	  O(N)	    -
"append"	     O(N)	 O(N)	     O(N) - N
"nconc"		     O(N)	  O(N)	    -

as long as we count only cons cells, O(N) = N.  leaving a lot of garbage
behind is not nice in Lisp, either.

for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficiently nice for common needs.

Lisp novices use `append' or `nconc' in loops.  if an experienced Lisp
programmer uses them, look very carefully for the reason why they are the
best choice.

if the list is _very_ long lists, the constant of proportionality becomes
important if it is greater than 1, and if we can find a more complex
function that reduces it, we do.  this function is O(N) in both time and
space, but is a little harder to write correctly and understand.

(let* ((list (list first-case))
       (tail list))
  (while remaining-cases
    (setq tail (setcdr tail (list ...))))
  list)

COMPATIBILITY NOTE: Common Lisp's `rplacd' (which Emacs Lisp also has, but
which I did not use because of the confusion) returns the modified cons
cell, while Emacs Lisp's `setcdr' returns the new cdr.  in Common Lisp, one
would write:

    (setf tail (setf (cdr tail) (list ...)))

since `setf' returns the new value, or

    (setf (cdr tail) (list ...))
    (setf tail (cdr tail))

to be explicit.  a sufficiently smart compiler would recognize and exploit
the fact that the value of (cdr tail) could not change between these forms.

#\Erik
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For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
down, or don't touch a key for a while. 

Has anyone alse noticed this? I have no problem whatsoever with the
other modes (Perl, C, HTML), and it doesn't appear to be related to
buffer size.  It's getting seriously frustrating - to the stage that
I've almost considered vi for editing java source! Is there an
alternative java mode that's faster?

Chris


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From: Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

  Steven> Shane Holder posted a benchmark utility to this newsgroup a
  Steven> few days ago, and I'd like to comment on it.  (It is
  Steven> *wonderful* news).

Glad to make you happy. :)

  Steven> First of all Shane, thank you for providing the benchmark.
  Steven> The biggest comment I have is that it appears to only cover
  Steven> display performance.  If you want to do more tests, I would
  Steven> recommend doing various non-display computational sorts of
  Steven> things.

I'd be happy to incorporate any suggestions you have.  I was most
interested in display stuff, because that was what I had problems
with.  I'll to do others, and I'd like some suggestions.  As you
can see in the code, I'd like to do a sorting bench, but I've got to
figure out how to generate a file.  I'd also like to do a regexp
search bench.

  Steven> Anyway, here are the results I got running it: (19.34 -vs-
  Steven> 19.14[1]) compiled with similar optimization settings (-O4,
  Steven> Linux/ELF 2.0 kernel, on a slow, stupid Cyrix 486/66).

I'm compiling a list of bench marks if anyone wants to send me some
more times.

  Steven> The XEmacs byte compiler is optimizing and the 19.34
  Steven> byte-compiler is not.  Turning off byte-compiler
  Steven> optimization via:

I didn't know that. I'll use your changes

  Steven> Now, XEmacs is slower on each of the larger bench marks
  Steven> except the make-frame one.  And markedly slower when
  Steven> displaying is involved.  I'd say this is very strong
  Steven> evidence that the XEmacs performance problem is solely tied
  Steven> up in the display.  Until the display is turned off totally
  Steven> I'm willing to discount the differences in performance of
  Steven> the other tests as well, since the byte-compile test
  Steven> involves a fair amount of scribbling to the minibuffer.

I agree with the comment about XEmacs performance problems being in
display, but could you clarify your comment about turning off the
display?  Since the display is what the user interacts with that's
what I see as being most important in being fast.  Other things can be
slow and the user might not even notice.  Typing faster than XEmacs
can keep up is not an acceptable "slowness".  Now, it is possible that
it's mostly related to my machine:

   HP 715/60 96M ram 64k cache

I've got a bench on a DEC Alpha, and the DEC times for XEmacs are
comparable to my times for Emacs on my HP.  Maybe it's my piss poor
cache that's killing me.

  Steven> We already know there were problems with the display code,
  Steven> it is good to see that the engine appears to perform
  Steven> comparably, and once we lick the display, we should be on a
  Steven> par speed-wise with Emacs again.

That'll be great.  I really like XEmacs, and would like to start using
it again, I pull it up every once in a while for nostalgia's sake. :)
 
-- 
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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

>> I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors a=
>nd
>> inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
>> mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
>> hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).
>
>Yes, but for *learning* users colors, mouses, menus etc. are helpful.
>Emacs is near to unusable for newbies, unless they vigorously plan to
>invest a lot of time to *first* become an adept of Emacs, *then* a
>user of it.

This is an important point.  I don't use the Emacs GUI, but I use the
GUI on Netscape & my window manager almost exclusively, because it's
easier for me to take some time to find a menu item than to fit yet
another command set into my head.

Emacs seems to have the right idea on simple GUI use - menus,
slidebars, etc.  that are configurable and *removable*.  After a
newbie learns a faster way to call a command, it can remove it from a
menu or console of buttons.  This reduces the clutter that makes so
many GUIs worthless.

I also dearly love the ability to type a command name into Emacs.
When commands are well named (library-function or
library-functiontype-function), it's almost like having a "logical
GUI" in my head, because I have a dictionary of commands.

Heck, I don't even know if "ediff-regions-linewise" is mapped to "2
C-x M-H-@" or whatever.  When I learned how to use the Ediff library,
I invoked it with "M-x ediff-regions-linewise".  Now I invoke it with
"M-x e-r-l", since that's good enough for Emacs.

If I forget how a ediff's commands are organized, I type "M-x
ediff-" and see a list of completions that I can further refine.  A
mouseless GUI!

Am I preaching to the choir here?  I find this to be a crucial point
because Emacs is developed by its users.  I am an emacangelist because
the more people using Emacs, the more ideas on how to improve it will
trickle around.  Making Emacs more user-friendly will only help this.

>> I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from so=
>me
>> sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

I am affected by RSI, but I find the keyboard to be a much more
ergonomic input device than a mouse.

>David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570

karla@celtech.com      Karl Anderson      <URL:http://www.reed.edu/~karl>

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...
>I think that `scroll-in-place' should be default (eventually), or at least more
>well-known.

That can be solved easily by putting an entry in the default menus to
enable and disable it.  Then newer users will be made aware of it
without having to risk breaking a bunch of other stuff.

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Greetings,

I think I would like to set up some virtual folders to
select certain messages when using vm, but I'm unsure
as to how to format the setq statement in my .vm file.

Anyone care to give me an example setq vm-virtual-folder-alist?

TIA,


-- Kevin
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I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email in VM,
which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I put this thing
in the background? 

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  "Anders" == Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

Anders> One ore question as I'm at it. Can I get different
Anders> highlighting in the summary buffer for messages with different
Anders> score, now I get boldface if >0 and italic if <0. Maybe you
Anders> could even include a nice example of highlighting :-).

Use the gnus-summary-highlight variable, eg

      gnus-summary-highlight '(((eq mark gnus-ticked-mark) . italic)
           ((eq mark gnus-catchup-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-killed-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-kill-file-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)        
           ((eq mark gnus-replied-mark) . font-lock-reference-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-saved-mark) . font-lock-function-name)
           ((eq mark gnus-read-mark) . font-lock-other-type-face)
           ((> score default) . message-header-contents))

which colours messages according to whether they have been read,
killed, etc (use any faces you please, i tend to recycle ones I use
elsewhere)

As a point, I note that there is clearly a precendece effect in
ths variable, for example I never see  the "saved" face as the
article takes the "read" face (damn difficult to decide you want to
save an article without reading it :-) )

Frossie
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MK> == Mark Krischer <mkrisch@dosido.bbn.com>

 MK> is it possible to make the default font, mode dependant.

Yes.

I use a mode hook that sets the face-font specifier for the current
buffer, as follows:

(defun ckd-html-mode-tweaks ()
  "Set up HTML buffers my way."
;;; some other code deleted
  (set-face-font 'default
		 "-adobe-new century schoolbook-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
		 (current-buffer))
;;; more set-face-font calls deleted
  (auto-show-mode -1))

That's not really making it mode dependent, it's making it buffer
dependent but changing it based on the mode of the buffer.  Sort of.

Does what you want it to, though. :)

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>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

David> I'm afraid I have to take Erik into defense on a few poins here...

David> sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber
David> [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:

>> - Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik)

David> Not quite.  He *has* mentioned quite a few interesting things about
David> the origins of Lucid Emacs, and seems to be quite in the know,
David> although he sees this by necessity from his side.

Well, I do know a few more things as well.  I've read most of the
actual mail exchange, but that still leaves many questions open.  But
neither Erik nor I was directly involved (a trivial fact), so all
claims on my or Erik's part would be pure speculation.  Certainly some
of the main parties (RMS himself and jwz) have not been very objective
about the matter.

>> - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
>> Emacs
>> one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
>> whichever way you want to phrase it).

David> IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
David> should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
David> not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as
David> well. 

It *is* doing more at almost all times.  Look at it ...  (Partial
lines is just one example.)

David> The XEmacs display engine was a redesign (due to more
David> requirements as well, of course), and this redesign has not yet
David> reached the efficiency one'd want from it. 

Agreed.

David> [ ... ] Hey, that was the point I was trying to make!

I think we have no actual arguments.  (Hey, cool ...)  Must be us
damn fucking Germans, Erik ...

Cheers =8-} Mike

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Etags seems to be missing from my installation...what am I doing
wrong?  Everything else appears to have installed correctly.

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>>>>> "Roland" == Roland Heumesser <rolandh@scirocco.bbn.hp.com> writes:

    Roland> If I try to edit a file on my NT system using ange-ftp (from my HP-UX 10.10 
    Roland> System) I allways get no permissions for any file.

    Roland> If I do a ftp by commandline I can get and put it without any problems.
    Roland> What's the problem with Xemacs 19.14?

    Roland> Any Help, comments, jokes?

'efs' will work.  I've forgotten where to find it.  Anyone?

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From: berliner@netcom.com (Guy Berliner)
Subject: XEmacs 19.13: set-face-background doesn't
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I'm running XEmacs 19.13 as part of InfoDock 3.4
on Linux 1.2.13. When I try to set the background
of the frame to black, all the backgrounds of the
syntax-highlighting fonts remain in this butt-ugly
"wheat" color. So I tried manually setting each of
them with "M-x set-face-background" to my desired
value of "black". But this has no  effect, and
XEmacs seemingly refuses to change the color to
anything other than the accursed "wheat". Anyone
have any ideas for me?

Guy Berliner
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From: Kiril Vidimce <vkire@erc.msstate.edu>
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Subject: Adding a new mode
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:43:32 -0600
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I am trying to add a new mode in xemacs. I've placed the
.el file in the lisp/modes directory, byte-compiled it and
I've placed the following line in my .xemacs-options file:

(setq auto-mode-alist 
     (append '(("\\.my\\'" . my-mode)) auto-mode-alist))

Still, xemacs doesn't load the appropriate mode when I load
a file with .my extension, and plus - if I try to load the
mode with M-x, it's not on the list... What do I need to
do in order to make xemacs be aware of the new mode?

Thanks.

KV
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vkire@erc.msstate.edu               Mississippi State University/NSF
P.O. Box 3167, MS State, MS 39762   Engineering Research Center for CFS

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From: Ahmet Sekercioglu  <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au>
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Subject: 2 problems: gnu server on Linux 2 and setting font size
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	Dear xemacs users,

	I have found xemacs (v 19.14) very useful, especially the gnuserver
application.  I am currently using it on my sun sparc solaris 2.4 at work
and Linux 2 at home.

	I have encountered two problems:

	1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 
I want to use font size 10 (xemacs starts with 12). I choose fontsize
to ten via options menu and then save the options via ``save options''
selection. Xemacs ignores my saved selection and always starts with fontsize
12. 

	2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I 
try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

	Any help & hints will be much appreciated.

	Please send your replies to my e-mail address: ASekerci@swin.edu.au

	Thanks in advance.

Ahmet Sekercioglu

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From: Michael Rohleder <mike@mroh.gun.de>
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Chris Mungall <cmungall@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> writes:

> For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
> my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
> if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
> down, or don't touch a key for a while. 

I have the same problem. And I also dont know whats going on...

Every mode is fine except this java-mode, that I need daily...

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From: Robert Sanders <rsanders@mindspring.net>
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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> >  - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
> > Emacs
> >   one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
> >   whichever way you want to phrase it).
> 
> IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
> should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
> not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as well.  

Ideally, yes, but is that commonly true?  Performing simple editing
tasks is something I occasionally do with vi because doing the same
with emacs would be slower, mostly because of startup time and, in the
case of very large files, swapping.  It's hard to argue that adding
features costs more than just programmer time, all other things
remaining equal: it costs code footprint (swapping and cache misses
can slow the program down), more decisions made and this more work per
iteration, the increased difficulty of optimizing code in the face of
more complex code, etc.

"The task it is currently doing" can be seen on many levels.  At a
high level, editing a file is editing a file.  But "the task it is
currently doing" could easily be re-stated as "performing simple tasks
in a complex but flexible way so that it may remain ready for the
complex tasks it may do later."  As argued above, that's usually more
expensive than doing things in a less complex and less flexible way.

regards,
  -- Robert

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Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:

> Typing faster than XEmacs
> can keep up is not an acceptable "slowness".  Now, it is possible that
> it's mostly related to my machine:
> 
>    HP 715/60 96M ram 64k cache

Really!  This actually suprises me a bit...  I've worked with HPs for
a long time (well...  I used to...)  I had no problems with XEmacs
ever keeping up with me on anything from a 715/50 to a 715/80 and I
generally type something like 80-90 words a minute when I'm really
flying (ie, not thinking about what I'm typing).

Granted, I'm having a bit more of a problem with it on a really slow
sun4 running over Mac eXodus (*whimper*) but I'm hoping for a new
Alpha myself in the near future...

Wes

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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:

    Stephen> Hello I am a fairly new user of XEmacs (and Emacs
    Stephen> generally) and I've been trying to get AucTeX to work on
    Stephen> my system. I am using XEmacs 19.14 under Solaris2.4 on a
    Stephen> Sparc Sun. I installed the precompiled binaries for
    Stephen> XEmacs and everything works fine in all modes. I've
    Stephen> compiled AucTeX (version 9.5a) and installed it according
    Stephen> to the installation notes provided. However, when I start
    Stephen> XEmacs, and try to load a LaTeX file, I get an error
    Stephen> message;

    Stephen> File mode specification error: (void-function
    Stephen> easy-menu-create-keymaps)

[...]

[Don't know if this is in the FAQ, but I guess it should be]
You should use use the easymenu package provided by XEmacs, and no
other. easymenu is a compatibility package which is differet from one
emacs to the other.

use locate-library to see which one XEmacs is picking for you. If it
is not using [xemacsdir]/lisp/utils/easymenu.el, then you're probably
using the wrong one.

Richard.

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 Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3 on 6.3 ? 

Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

Ido Tsubery, Software Eng.          Internet: ido%robcad@uunet.uu.net
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Is it possible to edit simultaneously several files in Xemacs or in
GNU Emacs 19.- ? How can this be done?
I suspect that this is possible but can't find a way.
Dimitris Logothetis

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: Re: 2 problems: gnu server on Linux 2 and setting font size
Date: 19 Nov 1996 11:41:58 +0100
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Ahmet Sekercioglu  <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:
>       1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 

        simple, but obscure... 1st, in the menubar, click 
                "Options=>Menubar Appearance=>Frame-Local Font Menu"
        it must be _deactivated_; 2nd, edit the fonts as you like;
        3rd, save the options
> 
>       2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
> warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I 
> try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

        sorry, i don't know; it seems to me that starting the server
        via C-u M-x server-start outputs diagnostics to a buffer, you
        should look at the gnuserver man page, or at the lisp sources,
        that are heavily commented

hth,
                                                                gb

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
> list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
> you return it.

Yes, provided `nreverse' isn't too slow.  But you deal with it later.

> you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
> the value locally.

But I use it later, too.  `lst' is actually something like
`sigs-list', and I dropped the part where `x' is let.

> in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
> is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
> inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,

Ah, clever! :-)

> for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
> O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficiently nice for common needs.

I'll use that.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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In article <rhj4tinsgu7.fsf@ml.com> Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
> so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
> instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
> Is this the default behavior?

	Set vm-preview-lines to t or nil. See the documentation on
	vm-preview-lines for an explanation.

	jtp

Don't SANFORIZE me!!

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In article <m0vOPnn-000I2yC@bittersweet> "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

>  I've discovered something...  VM never crashes if I'm using FVWM2
> configured with randomplacement, so it maps new windows right away
> without me having to hand place them.  It bombs whenever a WM is
> configured for user placement.  ???

	Not for me. However, I'm using my own version of vtwm, so this
	may be a problem with fvwm2.

	jtp

A dwarf is passing out somewhere in Detroit!

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Setting the syntax of a character to `character quote' only works for
`forward-list' and friends, but does not force the next character to
lose its normal syntactic meaning (as it is stated in the info pages).

E.g., typing (where \237 is one character)

	\237( some text )

with point at \237 and executing `forward-list' works as expected
(giving an error) if I've set

	(modify-syntax-entry 159 "/" (standard-syntax-table))

but the following (in a buffer in Emacs-Lisp mode & font lock enabled)

	\237"STRING"

does (!) fontify STRING with font-lock-string-face (not expected)
whereas when using the syntax class `escape', it does not:

	(modify-syntax-entry 159 "\\" (standard-syntax-table))


...that wasn't the only bug with syntax tables, see previous postings
(`upcase' & iso)...

-- 
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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> The argumentation was, as far as I remember, that RMS
> would not keep code in he could not test himself, and anyhow
> considered support for non-Unix systems a non-priority.

No, he wouldn't *port* the part of ange-ftp that he couldn't test
himself from the Emacs 18 overload mechanism to the Emacs 19 hook
mechanism.  He did request for volunteers to port the remaining code
soon after the first public release of Emacs 19, but at that point the
people with a direct interest in the code were already too pissed.

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xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
files after the change) . 

the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

any ideas ?

bodo
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From: Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com>
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Subject: Re: irix 6.3
Date: 19 Nov 1996 14:41:10 +0000
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>>>>> "ido" == ido  <ido%robcad@uunet.uu.net> writes:

    ido>  Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3
    ido> on 6.3 ?

    ido> Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

    ido> Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

Probably.  I've just upgraded from IRIX 6.1 to 6.2.  The 6.1 version
core dumped.  Recompiling fixed it.
-- 
Pete Forman
Western Geophysical
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From: "David Garner" <daveg@crosslink.net>
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Subject: display-column-mode
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How do I display the line number/column CONTINUOUSLY for any file I edit. 
I have to re-enter the command every time I switch files?  Can .emacs be
modified to have Xemacs start up in this mode.

Thanks,
Dave
daveg@crosslink.net

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From: Chris Schumacher <schumach@cs.utk.edu>
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Xemacs starts up quite snappily until it goes to load the
.xemacs-options file, which takes a full minute on my P133 w/ 40MB.
Is this common or is something wrong?  I would include the file except
that it's quite large (898 lines).  

thanks,
Chris.


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From: willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu (William W. Lee)
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Subject: Chop down the size of xemacs?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:17:42 GMT
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Hi,
	I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
about  how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the program
and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I know some of the
features I will never use but I don't want to delete things blindly.
	Thanks.

Will 

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From: "Bill Keshlear" <billk@cyrix.com>
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How do I get dired to automatically update it's buffers
each time I push into a directory, (i.e. do a "g")?
The problem is, I work with other people, and if they
add or delete files, etc. through unix, dired isn't
aware of the changes (until I do a "g").  This is
a constant irritation, otherwise I love dired.

There must be an easy workaround, but I haven't seen
it mentioned in the FAQ or elsewhere.

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From: scotth@visix.com (Scott Hofmann)
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Subject: Re: irix 6.3
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>>>>> "i" == ido  <ido%robcad@uunet.uu.net> writes:

 i>  Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3 on 6.3 ? 

 i> Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

 i> Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

You will need to build a fresh version of XEmacs to run it under IRIX 6.3 or
IRIX 6.2 with the POSIX compatibility patches installed. Something in the POSIX
1003.1c support breaks XEmacs if it's built under an unpatched IRIX 6.2.

scott

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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do you happen to know if the mailing list for edb, the Emacs DataBase,
has been discontinued, or has it moved from its previous address,

        edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu

to another site?

tia
                                                                gb

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Ahmet Sekercioglu  <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:
>       2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
> warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I
> try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

AFAIK in XEmacs-19.14 you should use

(gnuserv-start)

instead of  (server-start). Works for me on DEC ALPHA...

HTH,
Thomas
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From: njoneill@kapu.llnl.gov (Neil J. O'Neill)
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In article <56q9qp$p4l@mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk>, Chris Mungall
<cmungall@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:

> For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
> my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
> if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
> down, or don't touch a key for a while. 


I had the same problem on an SGI Indy.  After an hour playing with my
.emacs file I determined that the problem was the func-menu package.  After
deleting the stuff that loads func-menu, java-mode stopped having all those
5-sec pauses.

Perhaps some real emacs hacker can show us how to automatically deactivate
the func-menu package when java-mode is active.  Or is there a func-menu
(or should it be method-menu?) package that works with Java?

-- 
N. J. O'Neill
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Greetings,

Is there some repository of all of the various settings
that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?

I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
missing out on some great settings.

Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

TIA,

-- Kevin
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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: XTerm-like button3 help needed.
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I have my button3 setup to extend the region (I think I got that from
the FAQ).  But it's still not quite like an XTerm.  If I double click
in an XTerm to select something, extending the region with button3
extends to the entire s-exp.

Anyone have this working?  Basically, I'm trying to get the mouse
setup to be exactly like GNU Emacs (even the double-button3 cuts the
region thing).

Thanks for any help.

-- 
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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William W. Lee (willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> 	I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
> about  how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the program
> and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I know some of the
> features I will never use but I don't want to delete things blindly.

RTFAQ! :-)

The XEmacs FAQ has (among other things) some beautiful entries
regarding chopping XEmacs size.  I will repost them for convenience:

 Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes: The 45MB of space required by
the installation directories can be reduced dramatically if desired.
Gzip all the .el files. Remove all the packages you'll never want to
use (or even ones you do like the two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4
in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo manuals. Remove the Info (and use just
hardcopy versions of the manual). Remove most of the stuff in
etc. Remove or gzip all the source code. Gzip or remove the C source
code. Configure it so that copies are not made of the support
lisp. I'm not advocating any of these things, just pointing out ways
to reduce the disk requirements if desired.

Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

These are support directories for various packages. In general they
match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.nib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.nib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.nib
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
conservative at first.

Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
(new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.

First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.

prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.

giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.

-- 
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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Tell anyone if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll
keep picking from other .emacs-es. :-)

P.S.

My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
grow.

-- 
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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
picking from other .emacs-es. :-)

P.S.

My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
grow.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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  "David" == David Garner <daveg@crosslink.net> writes:

David> How do I display the line number/column CONTINUOUSLY for any
David> file I edit.  I have to re-enter the command every time I
David> switch files?  Can .emacs be modified to have Xemacs start up
David> in this mode.

in your .emacs:

(display-column-mode t)

Frossie
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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> 
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> 
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

This brings to mind an exchange a while ago:

Initial statement:

"One could conceivably spend a lifetime configuring Emacs."

Response:

"What do you mean, 'conceivably'?"

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Ricardo Marek wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does somebody have the changes to do in the startup files in order to
> get the ps-print in XEmacs-19.14 to give the same results than in XEmacs-19.13?
> 
> In XEmacs-19.13 I was able to print files on a B&W postscript printer
> with nice results for each face used in the buffer/region being
> printed. (Bold for reserved words, Italics for comments, Bold-italics
> for function/macro names, etc). Now, in XEmacs-19.14 I get page with
> the same face for reserved words, comments, function/macro names, etc.
> 
> I have applied the different patches from the FAQ and mailing-list,
> but nothing appears to be fixed.
> 
> Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
> background for comments, reserved words, strings that make the code
> almost unreadable. (foreground and background are almost the same.)
> 
> My frame background is White-Smoke and the Foreground is changed according
> to the different faces.
> 
> Any hint?
> 

(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

> TIA.
> 
> --- Ricky                            -*- Mode: Another-Unix-Hacker -*-
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
>* Ray Auchterlounie
>| I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_ people
>| to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

>if they (XEmacs folks, GUI designers, etc) were in favor of choice, they
>would have separated out the functionality from the user interface, and
>built an interface to the functionality apart from the user interface.

Possibly, on the other hand if they weren't in favour of choice they
wouldn't have added tty support to what was originally an X product.
If I switch to XEmacs it will be because it offers me more choice.

In my view both XEmacs _and_ GNU Emacs missed the opportunity of
separating the text-procesing engine from the display/UI. TkEmacs
showed the sort of thing that could be done, back in the days of 
Emacs 18. You could/can have Emacs running on one machine and the 
emacs (G)UI (or some of it - TkEmacs only does the menus and
scrollbars) on another - extremely useful over slow network links. 

I sometimes wonder where a high-level Emacs display-input protocol
would be today, had it arrived with Emacs 19, five years ahead of
Broadway, ActiveX, et. al.

>they didn't.  (some think that OLE or DDE (or whatever TLA is in vogue
>today) is the way to go.  it isn't.)

Does that mean that CORBA is (because it has five letters ?) ? :)

>| Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers seem
>| to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

>how the hell did this "seem to be"?  GNU Emacs would like to use the XEmacs

Because it "seems" to be very difficult for users to get features they
want, and have written, into Emacs. I vaguely recall that it took a
long time and a lot of heated argument to get flow-ctrl.el included
(but my recollections are vague - that is quite some time ago). MULE,
AIUI is still not included because it does not do what the developers
want (unicode ?), despite the fact that it does do what many users want. 

You snipped my example of the Emacs scrollbar.

This "seems to be" _is_ my personal impression, but I know that I am
not alone in getting this impression.

[...]
>sigh.  I give up.  it isn't _my_ problem that fools like you have to put
>words in my mouth and tell me that I "insist that black and white should be
>the only choice".  I NEVER HAVE, AND I NEVER WILL insist on that.  OK?  can
>you at least try to _remember_ that, now?

So do you consider it a bug that Emacs does, despite any form of
*scrollbar X resource settings ?

>| Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
>| that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 

>your summary of this is as good as you imputing to me that insist that
>black and white be the only choice.  in other words, you're lying, and you
>know it.  (or you're an idiot, your choice.)  competition _is_ bad, but for
>an entirely different reason than you think.  competition requires that two
>or more teams implement the same functionality to "compete".  this is not
>only bad, it's monumentally stupid.

I disagree. What you say is (I think) mostly true for commercial
software, but with free software each team can study, learn from, and
even copy the other's implementation, or they can produce a different
implementation. Having two different implementations is not
necessarily bad either, very rarely will they contain exactly the same
features/bugs, so having both available can be very useful.

Linux and *BSD are very much in competition (in some sections of their
user base). Some things are re-implemented, some are shared, each
learns from the others, and each provides a slightly different product
at the end of the day. I am glad I have the choice.

>| Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
>| from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.

>pay attention, dammit!  if you have to make summaries of things you don't
>understand, at least keep them to yourself.  Emacs _cannot_ use the XEmacs
>code.  you don't _know_ that the code is GPL'ed just because people say so.

You don't _know_ that you can use _any_ code unless you know, without
doubt, its full history - including any other code that any of its
authors might have had sight of at some time in their lives. This way
lies the clean room, and re-implementation.

If I cannot take code which says it is GPL and use it in a GPL work of
my own, without contacting all the original authors (assuming this is
possible) and getting explicit permission, then the GPL has failed IMO.

I note that GNU programs seem to have no problems with using code
under certain other copyrights... 
<duck> Perhaps such a copyright is more "free" than GPL... ? </duck>

[...]
>| If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
>| would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

>where and when did you learn of the grand design?  you have talked about
>twice, now, only in negative terms.  is it because you think it sounds
>suitably sarcastic to talk about you use it?  or is it because you would
>like to share some of your grasp of that grand design?

I learned of it in this very thread, it appeared first in an article
written by you IIRC. I would like to _get_ a grasp of it, since I
occaisionally tinker with Emacs it would be nice to do it the right
way, I believe someone else has already asked if there's a FAQ on it...

>| I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved tty
>| support.  I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
>| because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented (at
>| least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

>do you know this?  no, you don't.  was it rejected?  no, it wasn't.  it
>could not be implemented in Emacs because some idiots in the XEmacs camp
>had stomped all over the code just to implement it.  somebody is trying to
>port this XEmacs stuff back into Emacs, but what do the XEmacs folks do?

You are talking about the XEmacs display engine again, the patch I am
thinking of was for Emacs 19.25, at that time I believe XEmacs didn't
even have tty support (colour or otherwise). The XEmacs news file states:
  
   ** Major Differences Between 19.11 and 19.12
   [...]
   -- TTY support (includes face support)
   [...]
   -- more work on synching with FSF Emacs 19.28

So it looks to me like Emacs had colour tty support _before_ XEmacs,
which makes it more annoying that XEmacs has it now and Emacs doesn't.

The patch was announced on various Emacs newsgroups and was freely
available even if it wasn't officially submitted for inclusion in
Emacs, so why didn't it get included ?

[ I don't know why it didn't, which is one reason I wouldn't do any
work on re-implementing it ].

ray

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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email
Levent> in VM, which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I
Levent> put this thing in the background?

You're not (easily).  An alternative would be to spawn a subprocess
which plays the sounds, but then you're not using the built-in sound
capabilities.

This is just one of the things that could be made nicer if we had
threaded execution.
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>>>>> "Ahmet" == Ahmet Sekercioglu <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:

Ahmet> 	Dear xemacs users,

Ahmet> 	1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 

Subject: Q3.0.7 My font selections don't get saved when I do a Save Options
[new]

   John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
   You have to go to Options->Menubar Appearance and unselect Frame-Local
   Font Menu. If this option is selected, font changes are only applied
   to the current frame and do not get saved when you save options.
     _________________________________________________________________



Ahmet> 	2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
Ahmet> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but
Ahmet> without further warnings I get the message ``server process
Ahmet> exited''. When I try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't
Ahmet> find any server.

What version of Linux are you using?

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>>>>> "William" == William W Lee <willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes:

William> Hi,

William> I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
William> about how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the
William> program and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I
William> know some of the features I will never use but I don't want
William> to delete things blindly.

See Part 2 of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_2
	http://www.xemacs.org/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_2

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>>>>> "Jean-Michel" == Jean-Michel Augusto <jma@acri.fr> writes:

Jean-Michel> Hi,

Jean-Michel> First at all, I want to say that XEmacs is wonderful.
Jean-Michel> Thanks to all the XEmacs developpers/testers/writers
Jean-Michel> etc... for their work.

Jean-Michel> 	I have just two questions :

Jean-Michel> 1- When is the 19.15 version scheduled ? some users on my
Jean-Michel> systems still use an old version. I wish to upgrade their
Jean-Michel> configuration to accept the new version. Should I use the
Jean-Michel> current or the next ?

There is no set schedule.  19.15 will be released when it's ready.
Stay tuned to part 6 of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranva.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-current.html

for late breaking details (current as of last weekend).

Jean-Michel> 2- The major 'problem' reported by users is the size of
Jean-Michel> Xemacs. I remember a discussion here about a 'light'
Jean-Michel> version of XEmacs with only few packages added. Is my
Jean-Michel> mind correct? Is that scheduled for the 19.15 version ?

No.  It has been pushed back a release.

Jean-Michel> 3- I try to compile the 19.15 version but I find no
Jean-Michel> starting point to determine which package is loaded at
Jean-Michel> startup. I wish to remove some of them never used by the
Jean-Michel> user on my site. I take a look at the FAQ but nothing
Jean-Michel> really clear. So, where can I find this ?

If that's the 19.15 beta, please don't address questions about beta
releases to comp.emacs.xemacs, address them to the xemacs-beta mailing
list.

It is unlikely that there is anything predumped with XEmacs that you
will wish to remove that cannot be removed by simply configuring for
the correct options.  Packages in the lisp directory that are not used
do not take up any space in the executable.

You may find a list of files loaded with XEmacs in two places.
src/Makefile, and lisp/prim/loadup.el.  Only the one in loadup.el
counts, the other just lists files whose documentation strings get put
into the DOC file.
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From: "P. Bryan Heidorn" <heidorn@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: problem with mailcrypt
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:55:09 -0600
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I found the appended message in the archive of the comp.emacs.xemacs
news group but no solution. =


I had the same problem on 19.13. I switched to
VM with XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3 and have the same problem with a new
message:

Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from
"vm-misc.elc") nil "...(2)" [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name
vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer has been killed.")) (set-buffer
vm-mail-buffer))] 1>))
  vm-select-folder-buffer()
  mc-vm-decrypt-message()
  #<compiled-function (from "mc-toplev.elc") nil "...(17)" [major-mode
mc-modes-alist mode-alist decrypt mc-decrypt-message func] 3 "*Decrypt a
message in the current buffer.\n\nExact behavior depends on current
major mode." nil>()
  call-interactively(mc-decrypt)

Encrypting works fine. =


Thank you.
-- =

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From: de5@sws5.CTD.ORNL.Gov (Dave Sill)
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Subject: problem with mailcrypt
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I'm using XEmacs 19.13 and the mailcrypt bundled with it. It works
fine under GNUS, and signing and encrypting work fine under VM, but
verifying or decrypting under VM gives an error:

Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<byte-code nil "=C0=87" [(and
vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer
has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>))
  vm-select-folder-buffer()
  mc-vm-verify-signature()
  #<byte-code nil "=08    =9E=A3=1A=C3\n=9E=A3=AE=81=C4=89=1D *=87" [majo=
r-mode mc-modes-alist
mode-alist verify mc-verify-signature func] 3 "*Verify a message in the
current buffer.\n\nExact behavior depends on current major mode." nil>()
  call-interactively(mc-verify)

I tried installing mailcrypt 3.4, but that seriously broke VM. There
was an error message about easy-menu and the INBOX summary showed 0
messages.

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.

Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.

Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

-- Gary F.

-- 
"God is dead."  -- Nietzche
          "Nietzche is dead." -- God

Send mail with the subject "send pgp key" for my public key.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Kiril" == Kiril Vidimce <vkire@erc.msstate.edu> writes:

Kiril> I am trying to add a new mode in xemacs. I've placed the
Kiril> .el file in the lisp/modes directory,

A better place to put site defined code like this is in the site-lisp
directory, usually located in /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp.  That
way it doesn't get overwritten or lost when you upgrade XEmacs.

Since that directory gets placed first in the load-path, files found
there take precedence over the standard files.

Kiril> byte-compiled it and
Kiril> I've placed the following line in my .xemacs-options file:

Kiril> (setq auto-mode-alist 
Kiril>      (append '(("\\.my\\'" . my-mode)) auto-mode-alist))

Add:
(autoload 'my-mode "my-mode")

Kiril> Still, xemacs doesn't load the appropriate mode when I load
Kiril> a file with .my extension, and plus - if I try to load the
Kiril> mode with M-x, it's not on the list... What do I need to
Kiril> do in order to make xemacs be aware of the new mode?

-- 
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From: Dave Stagner <david_stagner@ncs.com>
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I have an irritating problem... when my mouse passes over the menubar in
Xemacs 19.14 (AIX 3.2.5), the menu automatically pops up, whether I want
it to or not. I don't remember this "feature" with previous versions of
Xemacs. They don't go away until I click somewhere on the menubar,
either a menu selection or the blank space to the right of the available
menus. 

Worse, the popup menu stays in the foreground of my X session even if I
raise another window in front of it.  For example, if an Xemacs frame
overlaps an xterm and a menu is raised on the frame, then the menu is
still visible in front of the xterm, even if I raise the xterm over the
Xemacs frame.  

This just bugs the heck out of me, particularly since I often have
several frames open at once on various locations on the screen.  Xemacs
menus pop up accidentally while moving the mouse pointer from one window
to another.  

I initially figured this was some Xemacs "feature" that was defaulting
to a dumb value, so I went looking for the variable or function to turn
it off.  But, after an afternoon's exploration of the info files, my
.emacs and .xemacs-options, and the live variables in my Xemacs session,
I can't find anything anywhere that might turn it off.

Is this an Xemacs bug, an AIX-dependent bug, an undocumented feature, or
just something I"m too dense to find?  Any help would be appreciated.  I
rather like the menubar for some things, and I don't want to have to
turn it off completely just to get rid of this annoying behavior.

-- 
* David Stagner			david_stagner@ncs.com	*
* National Computer Systems	vox 319 354 9200	*
* Iowa City, IA			fax 319 339 6555	*
* I do not speak for NCS, of course.			*

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From: "P. Bryan Heidorn" <heidorn@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
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Subject: Re: problem with mailcrypt
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:20:35 -0600
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Thanks for the replies.
I byte-comiled the *.el files in  ~/xemacs-19.14/lisp/mailcrypt
and it now works fine.

Thanks,
Bryan

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From: Rik Faith <faith@cs.unc.edu>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: make-mode.el from XEmacs 19.14
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I found a bug in make-mode.el from XEmacs 19.14 that causes an attempt by
the font-lock stuff to call a function makefile-space-face.  This gives the
error:

    Symbol's function definition is void: makefile-space-face

I made the following patch to make-file.el and this fixes the problem:

--- make-mode.el.rik	Tue Nov 19 18:03:36 1996
+++ make-mode.el	Tue Nov 19 18:15:40 1996
@@ -245,7 +245,7 @@
 
    ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
    ;; since these can fool people.
-   '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
+   '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
 
    ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
    ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.


[It looks like the mailing list archive at ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/mlists
hasn't been updated since 19.14 came out, so I wasn't able to check to see
if this has been reported.  Is there another archive?]

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote:
> 
> Well, I do know a few more things as well.  I've read most of the
> actual mail exchange, but that still leaves many questions open.  But
> neither Erik nor I was directly involved (a trivial fact), so all
> claims on my or Erik's part would be pure speculation.  Certainly some
> of the main parties (RMS himself and jwz) have not been very objective
> about the matter.

Well if there are any questions you think I can answer, feel free to
ask.  

I think I've been 100% objective about the *facts* that I've described
(what happened when, etc) and I've tried to be as clear about what our
intent was and had always been (our = at least me, Lucid, Chuck, Ben,
MLY, RPG.)  

Anything other than that is opinion or interpretation, and such things
can by their nature never be objective.

I haven't hacked on [XL]Emacs since the 19.10 release in June 1994, so
I don't think I have much vested interest in this flame-war any more.
Except that I still think that we did what was right.

I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a
fun and useful project, in its little way, but the politics of it all
now seems so pointless and trivial in hindsight.  You Unix-heads are all
about to be crushed under the heel of the Windows juggernaut anyway,
just like Unix crushed the Lisp Machines.  Ha ha.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> I have heard that RMS got burned once already with a case
> where the employer whistled back some presumably GPL-ed code
> by one of its employees, so I can understand he's wary.

This could well be true, but the only story that I know of that roughly
matches this description is the case of the Gosling Emacs redisplay
engine.  And as I understand the situation, RMS had included code in GNU
Emacs which was *not* GPLed.  It was code that was copyrighted by James
Gosling, who later sold that code to Unipress.

So this wasn't a matter of using code which contained a license which
was incorrect/untrue.  It was a case of (and argument against) using
non-GPLed code.  I don't see how this incident in itself is an argument
for more stringent license requirements (if in fact it is) except in
that it might have made one more paranoid about the whole situtation.

	== Jamie

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    From: rms@mit-prep
    Date: 27 Jun 85 11:58:34 GMT

    Unfortunately, this will delay the the time you receive the GNU Emacs
    manual.   I'm sure Unipress is happy to have accomplished that.  

    Software sharers are happy if you get good software.  Software-hoarding
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    them, they want to close it off.  

Some people working on the Gnu project obviously feel that they are at odds
with UniPress, and that UniPress is doing everything in its power to damage
them.  If making UniPress be the bad guys, and imagining yourself to be
pitted against them for the good of all mankind, gives you the impetus you
need to write good software, it seems to have worked - Gnumacs is a
fantastic editor.   I suppose every cause needs a nemesis, but please
choose one that is really on the other side.

UniPress has no quarrel with the Gnu project.  It bothers me that people
seem to think we are trying to hinder it.  In fact, we hardly did or said
much at all, except to point out that the Gnumacs code had James Gosling's
copyright in it.  We have not done anything to keep anyone from using
Gnumacs, nor do we intend to now that it is "Gosling-free" (version
16.56).

You can consider this to be an official statement from UniPress:  There is
nothing in Gnumacs version 16.56 that could possibly cause UniPress to get
upset.  If you were afraid to use Gnumacs because you thought we would
hassle you, don't be, on the basis of version 16.56.  

Can we all please get back to our work now, and stop arguing about
copyright law???


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* Jamie Zawinski
| ... Unix editor ...
| ... Unix-heads ...

utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

#\Erik
-- 
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Gary D. Foster (Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> > picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> > P.S.
> > My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> > grow.
> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.

Hmph, do you keep Gnus settings in a separate file?  My .gnus is 2,639
bytes long, and sigs.el 1,801.  Even then, you beat me.  Darn!

> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

Of course. :-)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> 
> Hmph, do you keep Gnus settings in a separate file?  My .gnus is 2,639
> bytes long, and sigs.el 1,801.  Even then, you beat me.  Darn!


For the most part.  I haven't migrated all my .gnus settings
completely out of .emacs yet, but most of 'em are there.  I'm just
under 1k on .gnus.  I also migrated some stuff out to my site-start.el
that really probably shouldn't oughta be there considering the fact
that a lot of people use stuff off my exported directories...

-- Gary F.

-- 
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Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
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in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

This did not work in 19.14.  It seems like I have to do
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I meant to say I am using
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but it seems like this only works for the first frame. It looks like
I have to hook it up to buffer creation.  Is there a main menu
template that I can modify using *-menu -* functions?

--- Corrected earlier posting:

Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
	(load "lna-menus" )
in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

This did not work in 19.14.  It seems like I have to do
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Is there a better way of initializing this than doing it for each
frame?

In case it matters, lna-menus.el contains functions such as 
---
(add-menu-button nil (`["Top" beginning-of-buffer t]))

(delete-menu-item `("Tools"))
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....
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URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html

[This is a special edition of the Gnus FAQ, as this is the very last
one I'll be posting.  The next editor will be Justin Sheehy
<dworkin@ccs.neu.edu>.  My heartfelt thanks go out to the others who
offered to take the FAQ on.  I'll be mirroring Justin's work as soon
as the changeover is completed, so old URL pointers will still work
for awhile.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who ever
emailed me a suggestion for new material, or who sent in corrections.
All input was appreciated.  If the FAQ has been useful to people, it
has been due to all the good input I got from the emacs community over
the past year or so while compiling it.

I'd like to offer special thanks to Per Abrahamsen
<abraham@dina.kvl.dk>, who provided much needed guidance throughout
the early going when I needed it the most.

I'm not leaving my current job, nor am I leaving the Usenet emacs
newsgroups and abandoning emacs & Gnus in case anyone was wondering. -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 6 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on November 16, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version? [updated]
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus? [updated]
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?
          + Q1.15 What is the difference between persistent and
            unexpirable messages? [new]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures. [updated]
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [updated]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages? [updated]
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible? [updated]
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
          + Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]
          + Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus? [updated]

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32. Gnus 5.0.15 is the most recent version that
   will work with old emacsen like XEmacs 19.13.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
   As of October 17, Red Gnus is in feature freeze, and the expected
   release date of Gnus 5.4 is late December.
   
   The next experimental version of Gnus has been named Mamey Sapote
   Gnus. If you really want to know why, take a look at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/why-mamey-sapote.html>.
   
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Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
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Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need? [updated]

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.14 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
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Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
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Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]

   You don't. Gnus is distributed with both emacsen, use the version of
   Gnus that comes with your emacs.
   
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Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
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Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
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Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]

   You are attempting to use the mailcrypt 3.4 distribution with Gnus
   5.3. Mailcrypt 3.4 needs some minor patches to work with Gnus 5.[23],
   that are present in the version of mailcrypt distributed with XEmacs
   19.14.
   
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Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus? [updated]

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .emacs file before you initialize Gnus.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
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Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]

   Make sure you kill your unsubscribed groups. This will make Gnus start
   much faster, and keep your .newsrc file sizes down to boot.
   
   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
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Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
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Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
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Subject: Q1.15 What is the difference between persistent and unexpirable
	messages? [new]

   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: The terms are not
   synonymous, they are orthogonal.
   
   If you tap * on an article, you have made it persistent. Nothing you
   ever do, except using the M-* command, will remove it from the cache
   where it's stored.
   
   If you mark an article with the E mark, (ie., made it expirable), it
   will be deleted by the mail backend when it reaches a certain age. The
   persistent copy of the message will not be touched.
   
   The two terms are not related.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
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Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
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Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

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Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

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Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

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Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
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Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

   Ralph Schleicher <rs@purple.UL.BaWue.DE> writes:
   Here's a version which will add a fortune cookie to your .signature.

(setq message-signature 'fortune)

(defvar fortune-program nil
  "*Program used to generate epigrams, default \"fortune\".")

(defvar fortune-switches nil
  "*List of extra arguments when `fortune-program' is invoked.")

(defun fortune (&optional long-p)
  "Generate a random epigram.
An optional prefix argument generates a long epigram.
The epigram is inserted at point if called interactively."
  (interactive "*P")
  (let ((fortune-buffer (generate-new-buffer " fortune"))
        (fortune-string "Have an adequate day."))
    (unwind-protect
        (save-excursion
          (set-buffer fortune-buffer)
          (apply 'call-process
                 (append (list (or fortune-program "fortune") nil t nil)
                         fortune-switches (list (if long-p "-l" "-s"))))
          (skip-chars-backward "\n\t ")
          (setq fortune-string (buffer-substring (point-min) (point))))
      (kill-buffer fortune-buffer))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (insert fortune-string))
    fortune-string))

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Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
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Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them?
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   It's quite difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with
   the entire range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to
   work quite well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds),
   but if you use mid-range background colours, you have to do some
   fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
   Please note that this also works with ISO-Latin 1 characters like:
(setq user-full-name "Finn Hkansson")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [updated]

   The BCC: or Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Replace Fcc: with Bcc: if you wish.
   
   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes:
   Just use C-u SPC or C-u RET for entering the group.
   
   Gnus 5.4 has a more convenient mechanism whereby you can mark
   individual groups so that they will always show previously read mail
   with:

(display . all)

   in the group parameters.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible [updated]

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   I've added a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable to match
   groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there are unread
   articles in the groups or not. I've also added a visible group
   parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]

   Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
   With procmail, you cannot write directly into the nnml directories.
   You must create spool files that will be merged into the nnml
   directories at times of Gnus' choosing. Asynch delivery just isn't in
   the cards.
   
   I just posted my setup a week ago. Here it is one more time:
(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-use-procmail t
 nnmail-spool-file 'procmail            ; same as nnmail-use-procmail :-)
 nnmail-procmail-directory "~/.incoming/"
 nnmail-delete-incoming t
)

   And then I have procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool and
   ~/.incoming/list.traffic.spool and so on. The name before .spool
   becomes the nnml: folder in which the stuff will end up.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]

   The standard technique is to place all your mail groups at levels 1 or
   level 2. Then you can do a 2 g, or 1 g which will then only fetch new
   mail and not bother with new news.
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%% Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

  en> * Jamie Zawinski
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  en> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

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>>>> 'Chris Schumacher (schumach@cs.utk.edu)' asked the following:

 CS> Xemacs starts up quite snappily until it goes to load the
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I found the same behavior and scrapped using the the options menu. I just set
everything I wanted in a startup.xemacs.el file, byte compiled it, and loaded
it from .emacs.

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	Hi!

	There is one very annoying feature in XEmacs 19.14. The
	entries in the completion window are not formatted properly if
	they appear in a window which is narrower than the frame (ie.
	horizontally divided frames). There is a comment about this
	behavior in display-completion-list (modes/list-mode.el):
 
                       ;; This needs fixing for the case of windows 
                       ;; that aren't the same width's the frame.
                       ;; Sadly, the window it will appear in is not known
                       ;; until after the text has been made.

	Has this been fixed in current sources, or does anyone have a
	workaround?

	Thanks,
	jtp

Quick, sing me the BUDAPEST NATIONAL ANTHEM!!

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Subject: Re: Mailcrypt in 19.14 won't decrypt a message
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>>"KF" == Kevin Ford schrieb am 05 Nov 1996 19:56:38 -0800:

 >> Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from
 >> "vm-misc.elc") nil "...(2)"
 >> 

Two possibilities: on a similar question of mine Steve Baur answered
that one would have to byte-compile the mailcrypt-files again. I did
not tried that one because I changed the macro-definitions in vm-misc
to functions before I had read his answer. If you have to do this,
too, i.e. byte-compiling doesn't work, contact me and I send you the
necessary changes.

Holger
-- 
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   mail_address("Holger.Schauer@gmd.de"),
   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
   www_home_page("http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~schauer/index.html").

(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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Hi,

I have problems using the new `include'-feature of etags.  Sadly,
xemacs' version of etags isn't supporting it :-(
Therefore I am using the etags-package of GNU Emacs.  However, if I am
doing a tags-search, I am not getting the definition-points of the
included TAGS file, but similar definition-points of the main TAGS
file (similar = case insensitive substrings).

Does somebody has a hint for me how to use the `include'-feature
correctly? (Or is this a bug?)

Regards,
Jens
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
 Jens Krinke                                        j.krinke@tu-bs.de 
 +49 531 391 7583                      http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/~krinke

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Jamie Zawinski
> | ... Unix editor ...
> | ... Unix-heads ...
> 
> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

Oh come on.  You need a lot of GNU tools besides Emacs to make it a
really nice editor (ls, find, grep etc.), and the reason is that it is
Unix-based.

You want to have full functionality, you have to provide it with a
Unixy support environment, and to have that available consistently for
many platforms was the aim of the GNU project.

I agree that the label "Unix-editor" is not altogether fitting now:
for example, the Windows display engine has *no* Unix equivalent, but
on the large, the development has been very much directed by Unix
lookalike systems.  Once you *do* install a more or less complete
bunch of GNU tools, it provides a very nice working environment even
under Windows, but it is a Unixy work environment, not a Windows one.

Not that that wouldn't be quite an improvement...

-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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From: Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>
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Subject: Hideshow and menus
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Hi all,

I'm trying to make hideshow to work with XEmacs 19.14
I'm not far from my goal (i.e., I can use it) but have noticed that:

1. It uses obsolete menu-handling functions (add-menu) and ignores
   some others (it doesn't use delete-menu-item)

2. Exiting hs-minor-mode correctly removes the menubar entry, but
   after that I can't get other menubars (e.g., gnus') correctly: I
   get the default menubar everywhere.

So, is there a recent fix for hideshow under XEmacs?
Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

BTW: there is a section in hideshow.el which I don't understand. If
somebody has some time to explain it to me, it would be great. Here is
it:

(eval-when-compile
  (if (string-match "xemacs\\|lucid" emacs-version)
      (progn
	(defvar current-menubar nil "")
	(defun set-buffer-menubar (arg1))
	(defun add-menu (arg1 arg2 arg3)))))

I understand what it does, but don't understand why it does this.
Thanks.

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From: des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott)
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Subject: My .emacs is bigger than yours (was Re: .emacs configs)
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In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
>
> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> 
> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

Seems to be.

Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
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Subject: [Q] Working with templates... how-to?
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The programmers here in Ornet use different editors for editing their
code. Now, it is under my responsibility to provide them with
templates for 'C' files.

The templates contain some 'constant' data, fields that the user is
prompted to fill (input fields), and other fields that are
automatically filled. (.e.g: Date, User-Login-Name, Filename, etc).

I'm sure that there are already packages that may help you to create
and use templates, that with some simple lisp function you can insert
the initial file, and even more, when you want to write a function, by
pressing a special key, you get a template with the header comment and
the empty function body.

Any hints?

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Hi. 

I have been using International Ispell Version 3.1.18 for a while and
always thought it made a good job in correcting my many miss-prints,
but today I noticed that when I made ispell buffer (or ispell from the
command line) it missed many of miss-prints and only found few. If I
instead made ispell-word or ispell-region over a small region (I don't
know how small, but if I mark the whole buffer it doesn't work) it
complained and gave me alternatives. Why didn't it complain when I did
ispell-buffer?

Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't complain when
i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

Thanks
Anders
- -- 
   __    _  _  ____   ____  ____   ___
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Phone +46 46 2227991, fax +46 46 2224620  Box 118, 221 00 Lund, SWEDEN
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* David Kastrup
| Oh come on.  You need a lot of GNU tools besides Emacs to make it a
| really nice editor (ls, find, grep etc.), and the reason is that it is
| Unix-based.

I used Emacs on TOPS-20 for several years.  I didn't find any `ls', `find',
or `grep' or any other "Unix" tools there.  the fact that those tools are
available for use from Emacs under Unix comes as absolutely no surprise to
me, Emacs users being what they are, but to say that Emacs is limited to
Unix systems displays a monumental ignorance both of its past and its
present, not to mention its future.  but I'm _greatly_ comforted to know
that Jamie is so ignorant -- it means most of the random incompatibilities
and short-sighted design in XEmacs cannot have come from malice.

#\Erik
-- 
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Subject: Re: .emacs configs
Date: 20 Nov 1996 04:16:33 -0800
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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> 
> Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> > Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> > that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> > I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> > incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> > missing out on some great settings.
> > Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> > you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?
> 
> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.
> 
> -- 
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
> --------------------------------+--------------------------------
> `VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
>        the Emacs religion.


Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
would like to see what you've got.

Mine is 25K, but I think fully half of that is comments.  Mostly
stuff from the sample.emacs that comes with the 19.14 package.

And since .gnus and other init files have been mentioned, lets
see what you've got there too.


-- Kevin
_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
212-449-5712                                 New York, NY   10281-1314



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From: e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at (Robert Bihlmeyer)
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Hi,

>>>>> On 18 Nov 1996 10:20:17 -0700
>>>>> Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu> said:

 Eric> Currently, there are two principal barriers to making
 Eric> `scroll-in-place' the default behvaior: incompatibilities with
 Eric> certain packages that do their own scrolling (VM, Gnus,
 Eric> list-mode), and `scroll-in-place's general ignorance of
 Eric> variable-height lines in XEmacs. I am going to take up the
 Eric> charge again to see how these problems can be resolved.

 Eric> Until these problems are solved, `scroll-in-place' probably
 Eric> shouldn't be the default behavior.

I have the following workaround in my .emacs:

    (add-hook 'Info-mode-hook
	      (lambda nil (set (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place) nil)))

replace Info-mode by whatever mode makes problems with s-i-p. But like
I said it's a workaround.

Some modes/packages should be made more s-i-p-friendly ... I think
with more support it would have a considerable userbase.

	Robbe
-- 
Robert Bihlmeyer	reads: Deutsch, English, MIME, Latin-1, NO SPAM!
<robbe@orcus.priv.at>	<http://stud2.tuwien.ac.at/~e9426626/sig.html>

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Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

>  Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
> missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't complain
> when i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

It's apparently nothing that has been fixed to version 3.1.20, as I
went ahead and installed it, but it still doesn't find all the
misspelled words when I do ispell-buffer. There must be something else
wrong.

As before, any help appreciated

Anders

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From: Massimo Campostrini <campo@ipifidpt.difi.unipi.it>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: .emacs configs
Date: 20 Nov 1996 14:31:17 +0100
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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
> no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
> would like to see what you've got.
> 
> Mine is 25K, but I think fully half of that is comments.  Mostly
> stuff from the sample.emacs that comes with the 19.14 package.
> 
> And since .gnus and other init files have been mentioned, lets
> see what you've got there too.

I'll bite.  Here is my .gnus file (somewhat abridged).  
Constructive criticism welcome.
[My .emacs is too messy to be shown in polite company.]


;;; ---------- obvious setup stuff
(setq gnus-nntp-server "serra.unipi.it")
(setq gnus-local-organization "Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare")
(setq gnus-local-domain "difi.unipi.it")
(setq gnus-default-distribution "world")
(setq gnus-use-full-window nil)
(setq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
(setq gnus-save-newsrc-file nil)
(setq gnus-save-killed-list nil)
(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)
(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)
;;; ---------- modelines
(setq gnus-group-line-format "%M%S%p%5y+%2i: %(%g (%L) -- %D%)\n")
(setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20A%] %s%)\n")
(setq nnmail-delete-duplicates t)
;;; ---------- if we are in XEmacs, use Wes Hardaker's all-important smiley package
(if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
    (add-hook 'gnus-article-prepare-hook 'gnus-smiley-display)
)
;;; ---------- Yes, I use this monster
(setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
;;; ---------- summary & article customization
(setq gnus-group-sort-function 'gnus-group-sort-by-level)
(setq gnus-article-display-hook nil)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight)
(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers 'some) ; slow, but nice
(setq gnus-summary-gather-subject-limit 'fuzzy)
(setq gnus-summary-make-false-root 'dummy)
(setq gnus-thread-ignore-subject t)
(setq gnus-thread-indent-level 2)
;;; ---------- example of newgroup-dependent signature
(defun my-select-signature ()
  (if (equal gnus-newsgroup-name "rec.games.roguelike.angband")
      (progn
	(make-variable-buffer-local 'message-signature-file)
	(setq message-signature-file "~/.signature.angband")
	)
    )
  )
(add-hook 'message-signature-setup-hook 'my-select-signature)
;
;;; ---------- read mail (POP & nnml)
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")))
(setq nnmail-spool-file "po:campo")
(setq nnmail-pop-password-required t)
; ---------- read POP password (and remember it)
(autoload 'ange-ftp-read-passwd "ange-ftp")
(if (not nnmail-pop-password)
    (setq nnmail-pop-password
	  (ange-ftp-read-passwd "Enter POP password: "))
)
(setq nnml-directory "~/Mail")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file "~/Mail/newsgroups")
(setq gnus-total-expirable-newsgroups
      "mail\\.\\(ding\\|hep-lat.daily\\|alcei\\|gnupaint\\|gimp\\)")
;
;;; ---------- split mail
(setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy)
(setq nnmail-split-fancy
  '(| ("from\\|to\\|mail-from\\|cc" "benh@" "mail.angband")
      ("from\\|to\\|mail-from\\|return-path\\|cc"
       "ding\\|ding-request\\|gnus-bug" "mail.ding")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc"
       "listproc@imsa\\|gnu-paint-l@imsa\\|daj@lclark"
       "mail.gnupaint")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc" "@aps.org" "mail.revtex")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "pelisset@" "mail.pelo")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc" "\\(hep-lat\\|no-reply\\)@xxx"
        (| ("subject" "hep-lat daily" "mail.hep-lat.daily")
	   "mail.hep-lat"))
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "mstiavel@astro\\|mstiavel@stsci" "mail.stiavelli")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "mannella@\\|sbrana@\\|mau@\\|angelo@" "mail.cerd")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "\\(lat96\\|nobody\\)@sawyer" "mail.lat96")
      ("from" "daemon\\|postmaster@" "mail.daemon")
      "mail.misc"
      )
  )
;
;;; ---------- send mail & post news
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Bcc: campo@mail.difi.unipi.it\n")
;
;;; ---------- Modify group mode highlighting for Gnus v5.2.*
; (for angry fruit salad lovers only)
;
(if (and (eq gnus-display-type 'color)
	 (eq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
    )
    (setq gnus-group-highlight
	  `(((and (> level 5) (zerop unread)) .
; unsubscribed, no unread
     	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Gray" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((> level 5) .
; unsubscribed, unread
     	     ,(custom-face-lookup "White" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((and (> unread 200) (< level 3)) .
; mail, lots unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Plum1" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (< level 3) (zerop unread)) . 
; mail, no unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "LightSalmon" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((< level 3)  .
; mail, unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Green" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((> unread 200) .
; subscribed, lots unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "#ff4080" nil nil t nil nil)) ; (pinkish)
	    ((zerop unread) .
; subscribed, no unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Moccasin" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    (t .
; subscribed, unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "LightSkyBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
	   )
    )
)


-- 
        Massimo Campostrini, 
Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Sezione di Pisa.
WWW home page: http://www.difi.unipi.it/~campo/

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu, edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: EDB patches to work with XEmacs 19.14 [was: saving an EDB db...]
In-Reply-To: <199611181401.IAA18457@a.cs.uiuc.edu>
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 > when i try to save a database, i am told, in the minibuffer
 > 
 > Saving db to file /nfs/rachele/home/boffi/dida/urbano/compitini96/9nov...
 > Symbol may not be buffer-local: generated-modeline-string
 > 
 > i had to patch slightly edb-1.21 sources to get my elc's built,but
 > these patches involve only db-interfa and db-summary
 > 
 > anyone can help me?

some findings: generated-modeline-string is a buffer-local constant,
that is updated internally when the mode-line changes
_you_cannot_set_its_value_

generated-modeline-string was not there, or it had not the same
behaviour, some releases (say a year...) ago, as EDB was ok

of course, generated-modeline-string is never mentioned in the NEWS
file

apart from these issues, i found were the evil occurred, and fixed
_this_ misbehaviour --- if you are interested in using edb 1.21 with
19.14, you can use the included patch to correct this misbehaviour

if you grep for lucid in the source directory, you can see other code
snippets that you may want to uncomment (menus, mostly) --- good luck

ciao
								gb

*** arch/edb-1.21/db-interfa.el	Tue Jul 11 20:29:21 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-interfa.el	Mon Nov 18 14:37:00 1996
***************
*** 428,440 ****
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-view-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-edit-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
  
        (defun db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point (e)
  	"Move to the field or record nearest the mouse position.
--- 428,440 ----
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [button3] 'database-view-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [button3] 'database-edit-mode-menu)
  
! ;     (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
  
        (defun db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point (e)
  	"Move to the field or record nearest the mouse position.
*** arch/edb-1.21/db-summary.el	Tue Jul 11 05:04:06 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-summary.el	Mon Nov 18 14:35:30 1996
***************
*** 1060,1068 ****
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse2] 'dbs-lucid-mouse-view)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-summary-mode-menu)))
  
  
  ;;; db-summary.el ends here
--- 1060,1068 ----
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button2] 'dbs-lucid-mouse-view)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button3] 'database-summary-mode-menu)))
  
  
  ;;; db-summary.el ends here
*** arch/edb-1.21/db-util.el	Wed Jul 12 07:12:39 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-util.el	Wed Nov 20 15:53:29 1996
***************
*** 557,563 ****
  	    symbol (car pair)
  	    blv (cdr blv))
        ;; nil and 0 can be bogus local variables; never copy buffer-undo-list
!       (if (not (memq symbol '(0 nil buffer-undo-list)))
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  	    (if (not (symbolp symbol))
  		(error "\"%s\" should be a symbol with value \"%s\""
--- 557,563 ----
  	    symbol (car pair)
  	    blv (cdr blv))
        ;; nil and 0 can be bogus local variables; never copy buffer-undo-list
!       (if (not (memq symbol '(0 nil buffer-undo-list generated-modeline-string)))
  	  (progn
  	    (if (not (symbolp symbol))
  		(error "\"%s\" should be a symbol with value \"%s\""

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From: Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 17:14:27 +0100
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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

> Well if there are any questions you think I can answer, feel free to
> ask.

Not what you meant but: What Editor are you using now?

> I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
> thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
> than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a

If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it funny 
that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on that editor only
used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?) designed Epoch, did't he?)

Jan

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To: Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch>
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? 
In-reply-to: Your message of "20 Nov 1996 17:14:27 +0100."
             <by917w4ucc.fsf@math.ethz.ch> 
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:24:54 -0600
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>

    Jan> If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it
    Jan> funny that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on
    Jan> that editor only used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?)
    Jan> designed Epoch, did't he?)

Epoch was designed by Simon Kaplan and Alan Carroll and originally
implemented mostly by Alan Carroll.  The 4.0 release which had the
first Emacs redisplay engine to support variable width and height was
designed and implemented by Chris Love.  After Chris graduated Marc
Andreesen took over as the Epoch maintainer and put out the last ever
releases of Epoch.  I replaced Marc as the "official" Epoch maintainer
but I never actually did any work on the Epoch source code.  I don't
think Marc actually did quite as much work on Epoch as he was supposed
to because he was busy working on some new piece of software called
Mosaic.  I'm sure he regrets spending more time on Mosaic than Epoch.


			-Chuck

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From: Allen Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu>
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Subject: Possible xemacs malloc bug
Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:30:31 -0700
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I hope this is the correct place to send this. I looked in the faq and
didn't see a better choice.

I was futzing around with xemacs getting it to compile on Linux/alpha machines
(I got it working. If anybody wants to know how, send me mail) when I ran into
a possible bug, which manifested itself when temacs would core dump.

Due to a configuration error, xemacs was getting the wrong numbers for where
the data segment started and ended, which caused check_memory_limits() to 
improperly figure out how much memory xemacs had allocated. 

So, here's what happened:

malloc() calls morecore() which calls align() which calls
check_memory_limits() which due to the config problem decided that it should
issue a warning that you are running out of memory which involves calling
malloc_warning() which eventually results in malloc() getting called again.

Poof. Nice big core dump.

Fixing the config problem made this all go away, but the fact remains that 
it's possible for xemacs to go into infinite recursion if morecore() results
in a warning message. 

In my case, this was happening on the very first call to morecore(), so it's
quite possible that this isn't a risk if xemacs already has some memory
allocated. 

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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I have a problem setting up my Xeamcs ( 19.14 ) properly to read mail via a POP
server provided by an service provider...According the FAQ, I have set the
vm-spool-files variables to my INBOX, SPOOLNAME and CRASHBOX...This works fine
as far as getting my mail from the server is concerned, however every time I
invoke vm, it treats the already read mail in INBOX as new mails and appends
the same mails to it...The effect is that all the read mail from the INBOX gets
duplicated everytime I invoke vm...

Can anyone help me out here... ( e-mail will be appreciated)

thanks,
rajesh@oblix.com

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From: Richard Coleman <coleman@math.gatech.edu>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 20 Nov 1996 15:09:17 -0500
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> Epoch was designed by Simon Kaplan and Alan Carroll and originally
> implemented mostly by Alan Carroll.  The 4.0 release which had the
> first Emacs redisplay engine to support variable width and height was
> designed and implemented by Chris Love.  After Chris graduated Marc
> Andreesen took over as the Epoch maintainer and put out the last ever
> releases of Epoch.  I replaced Marc as the "official" Epoch maintainer
> but I never actually did any work on the Epoch source code.  I don't
> think Marc actually did quite as much work on Epoch as he was supposed
> to because he was busy working on some new piece of software called
> Mosaic.  I'm sure he regrets spending more time on Mosaic than Epoch.

Yeah.  Must be terrible to be VP of a multi-million dollor
company.  I'm sure he feels bad about that, everytime he goes
to deposit his paycheck :-)

Richard Coleman
coleman@math.gatech.edu

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From: lkitsis@sunset.cs.biu.ac.il (Lev Kitsis)
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Subject: Help Problems with the XEmacs
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 I got Xemacs version 19.14 ...
 when I work on Java/C/C++ in it I can see all the function and commands in different colors
 The Question is - How can I add to standard list of function The Functions I made on my own
 so I'll be able to watch them in colors .
 for example :
 the (INT) type colored green and  ( font-lock-type-face ) ....
 the FOR's and IF's colored blue
 How can I add my function by the name THREAD (for example )
 to the list and then adjust it with the proper fonts and colors ( if I can choose 'em by myself).
 THANX...

--
____________________________________________________________               
| Lev A. Kitsis == Young hacker and UNIX maniac ;-)))      |
| My WWW-HomePage: http://www.cs.biu.ac.il:8080/~lkitsis/  |
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Paul D. Smith (psmith@baynetworks.com) wrote:
> %% Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
>   en> * Jamie Zawinski
>   en> | ... Unix editor ...
>   en> | ... Unix-heads ...
>   en> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.
> Unless I'm mistaken, XEmacs _is_... isn't it?

There is not fundamental reason why XEmacs could not be ported to
other platforms, the way GNU Emacs was.  It's just that noone hasn't
volunteered to do it.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Jamie Zawinski
> | ... Unix editor ...
> | ... Unix-heads ...
> 
> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

At least spell my name right, buttercup.


Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and reply in the style to
which you seem to have become accustomed:

    WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you continue to put LIES in my
    mouth??  That's exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
    from your side.  Your response is so remarkably stupid, it can
    only have been meant to pander to the ignorant fools who have
    already come under your sway.  Haven't you read anything I've 
    said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I guess not.  That utterly
    pathetic response is so typical, it's clear that you're not
    interested in having an actual discussion.

    Why can't you be a little more polite?  I've been flawlessly
    calm, as in this message, and all you people do is call me names.
    Why must you make it personal?  Do you have something to hide?

    You and your revisionist history remind me of Hitler.


Have you heard?  ActiveX is not bound to Windows!  Oh, and here's
another good one: I heard once that GNU was Not Unix.  Ha ha ha ha ha.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/

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* Jamie Zawinski
| Ha ha ha ha ha.

geez.  I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.  I'm also _delighted_ that you
are not involved in XEmacs, anymore.  if only you would follow your own
advice and make a clean cut and get out of here permanently.  why the hell
do you insist on being a pest around people who're working on a cheesy
little Unix editor when you could have had all the bliss in the world
working on a crummy little web browser?

#\Erik
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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
> no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
> would like to see what you've got.

Well, that was the introductory contest. :-)

Here they are: .emacs, .gnus and sigs.el (my support for multiple
signatures).

.emacs:
=======
;;
;; My (who would have guessed) own .emacs file
;;

;;
;; General stuff
;;

;; Determine emacs version
(setq running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

;; We'll need cl
(require 'cl)

;; If we don't have console-on-window-system-p, make it
(unless (fboundp 'console-on-window-system-p)
  (defun console-on-window-system-p (&optional cons)
    window-system))

;; Some all-time settings
(setq user-mail-address "hniksic@srce.hr"
      kill-whole-line t                        ; C-k on the beginning kills it whole.
      compile-command "make"                ; Don't you hate the "make -k" default?
      grep-command "egrep -n "                ; I like egrep.
      ;; Add my personal site-lisp to the beginning of load-path
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/site-lisp") load-path)
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/work/lisp") load-path)
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/work/lisp/gnus-alpha/lisp") load-path)
      ;; Enable calling a minibuffer from a buffer generated by a minibuffer
      minibuffer-max-depth nil
      ;; I may once regret this, but hey... autosave is still there :)
      make-backup-files nil
      ;; No newlines at EOF
      next-line-add-newlines nil
      ;; Make ange-ftp recognize anonymous account
      ange-ftp-generate-anonymous-password t
      ;; Ange-FTP will recognize lack of username as anonymous
      ange-ftp-default-user "anonymous"
      ;; No comment to this
      passwd-invert-frame-when-keyboard-grabbed nil
      ;; Enable stupid command-teaching in XEmacs
      teach-extended-commands-p t
      teach-extended-commands-timeout 1
      ;; Says all...
      mouse-yank-at-point t)

;; Enable eval-expression, narrow-to-region and erase-buffer.
(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)
(put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil)
(put 'erase-buffer 'disabled nil)
(put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil)

;; I want to use nescaffe for browsing...
(setq browse-url-browser-function (if (console-on-window-system-p)
                                      'browse-url-netscape
                                    'browse-url-lynx-emacs))

;; Font-locking is nice :-)
(require 'font-lock)

;; Fixes for 19.14 bogosities:
(if running-xemacs
    (if (not (console-on-window-system-p))
        (if (member (console-tty-terminal-type) '("linux" "rxvt" "dtterm"))
            (set-device-class (selected-device) 'color)
          ;; mono tty devices
          (set-device-class (selected-device) 'mono)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-comment-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-string-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-keyword-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-function-name-face)
          (set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-function-name-face t 'global 'tty)
          (copy-face 'underline 'font-lock-type-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-reference-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-variable-name-face))
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-variable-name-face "dark red")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face "darkorange3")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face "dark slate blue")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "red2")))

;; GNU Emacs can't handle colored background gracefully
(unless running-xemacs
  (set-face-background 'default "white"))

;; Font-lock by default.
(setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t
              font-lock-maximum-decoration t)

;; Dired beautification:
(if running-xemacs
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              (lambda ()
                (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))

;; A nifty gc pointer...
(if (featurep 'xpm)
    (let ((file (expand-file-name "recycle.xpm" data-directory)))
      (if (condition-case error
              ;; check to make sure we can use the pointer.
              (make-image-instance file nil '(pointer))
            (error nil))            ; returns nil if an error occurred.
          (set-glyph-image gc-pointer-glyph file))))

;; Disable menu bars in GNU Emacs on tty-s.
(and (featurep 'menu-bar)
     (not (console-on-window-system-p))
     (menu-bar-mode nil))

;; We want font menu to work on all frames.
(setq font-menu-this-frame-only-p nil)

;; No indent-tabs-mode
(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

;; Initialize changes to cc-mode & friends
(require 'cc-mode)
(c-add-style "hrv"
             '((c-basic-offset . 3)
               (c-offsets-alist . ((substatement-open . 0)
                                   (case-label        . +)))
               ))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook
          (lambda ()
            (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
            (c-set-style "hrv")))
(setq c-macro-preprocessor "gcc -C -E -")

;; Display line/column in the modeline.
(if (fboundp 'display-column-mode)
    (display-column-mode 1))

;; Add the hostname (without the domainname) to frame title
(let ((hname (system-name)))
  (string-match "^\\([^.]*\\)" hname)
  (setq frame-title-format
        (concat "%S@" (match-string 1 hname) ": %b")))

;;
;; Various mode settings
;;
(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(("\\.[^/]*sh[^/]*rc$" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.[^/]*funct" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.[^/]*alias" . ksh-mode)
                ("login$" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.\\(SCORE\\|ADAPT\\)$" . gnus-score-mode)
                ("\\.fvwmrc" . fvwm-mode))
                auto-mode-alist))

;; Resize minibuffer
(when running-xemacs
  (autoload 'resize-minibuffer-mode "rsz-minibuf" nil t)
  (resize-minibuffer-mode)
  (setq resize-minibuffer-window-exactly nil))

;; Common hook for comint-based modes, like gdb and shell
(defun my-comint-common-hook ()
  (local-set-key [up] 'comint-previous-matching-input-from-input)
  (local-set-key [down] 'comint-next-matching-input-from-input)
  (local-set-key "\C-u" 'comint-universal-argument))
(add-hook 'gdb-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)
(add-hook 'shell-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)
(add-hook 'telnet-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)

;; FVWM mode
(autoload 'fvwm-mode "fvwm-mode"
  "Mode for editing fvwm config files." t nil)

(require 'latin2)
(when (featurep 'latin2)
  (global-set-key "\C-x\C-r" 'latin2-mode)
  (latin2-set-display 'latin2)
  (latin2-set-keyboard 'us))

;;
;; Message mode settings:
;;

;; Add font-lock and auto-fill mode (i.e. wordwrap) to news-reply-mode
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook
          (lambda ()
            (interactive)
            (turn-on-font-lock)
            (turn-on-auto-fill)
            (local-set-key "\C-x\C-k" 'my-message-kill-to-sig)))

(require 'sigs)
(setq message-signature 'sigs-random-signature)

;; Latin2 support
(when (featurep 'latin2)
  ;; Display article with translation
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'latin2-translate-receive)
  (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'latin2-translate-receive)
  (add-hook 'message-send-hook 'latin2-translate-send)
  (add-hook 'message-header-setup-hook
            (lambda () (if (latin2-newsgroup gnus-newsgroup-name)
                           (latin2-add-headers)))))
(setq message-default-headers
      (concat
       "X-URL: ftp://gnjilux.cc.fer.hr/pub/unix/util/wget/\n"
       "X-Attribution: Hrv\n"
       "X-Face: &}4JQk=L;e.~x+|eo]#DGk@x3~ed!.~lZ}YQcYb7f[WL9L'Z*+OyA\\nAEL1M(\".[qvI#a2E\n 6WYI5>>e7'@_)3Ol9p|Nn2wNa/;~06jL*B%tTcn/XvhAu7qeES0\\|MF%$;sI#yn1+y\"\n"))

(setq message-citation-line-function
      (lambda nil
        (if message-reply-headers
            (insert
             (get-address (mail-header-from message-reply-headers))))))

(setq
 message-syntax-checks '((signature . disabled))
 message-xmas-dont-activate-region t)

;;
;; Function definitions
;;

;; Make C-h act as delete, if wanted
(defun kill-control-h ()
  "Make C-h delete instead of calling help"
  (interactive)
  (keyboard-translate ?\C-h ?\C-?))

;; Vi-style parentheses matching
(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
  (interactive "p")
  (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
        ((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
        (t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))

(defun insert-wget-url (ver)
  (interactive "sVersion: ")
  (insert "<URL:ftp://gnjilux.cc.fer.hr/pub/unix/util/wget/wget-"
          ver
          ".tar.gz>"))

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run GNUS in a separate frame."
  (interactive)
  (when (or (not toolbar-news-frame)
            (not (frame-live-p toolbar-news-frame)))
    (setq toolbar-news-frame (make-frame))
    (add-hook 'gnus-exit-gnus-hook
              (lambda ()
                (when (frame-live-p toolbar-news-frame)
                  (if (cdr (frame-list))
                      (delete-frame toolbar-news-frame))
                  (setq toolbar-news-frame nil))))
    (select-frame toolbar-news-frame)
    (raise-frame toolbar-news-frame)
    (gnus))
  (if (frame-iconified-p toolbar-news-frame)
      (deiconify-frame toolbar-news-frame))
  (select-frame toolbar-news-frame)
  (raise-frame toolbar-news-frame))

(defun my-change-log-exit ()
  "Save the changelog buffer and get it *far* out of the way."
  (interactive)
  (save-buffer)
  (bury-buffer)
  (if (cdr (window-list))
      (delete-window)))
(defun my-change-log-abandon ()
  "Abandon changes to the ChangeLog."
  (interactive)
  (set-buffer-modified-p nil)
  (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
  (if (cdr (window-list))
      (delete-window)))
(add-hook 'change-log-mode-hook
          (lambda ()
            (setq indent-tabs-mode t)
            (local-set-key "\C-c\C-c" 'my-change-log-exit)
            (local-set-key "\C-c\C-k" 'my-change-log-abandon)))

(defun my-message-kill-to-sig ()
  "Kill to the end of message signature."
  (interactive)
  (let ((pnt (point)))
    (message-goto-signature)
    (forward-line -2)
    (delete-region pnt (point))))

(defun get-address (from &optional message-id)
  "Return normal address string from From: line and optional message-id"
  (let ((lst (mail-extract-address-components from)))
    (concat (if message-id (concat "In article " message-id " "))
            (car lst) " (" (nth 1 lst) ") wrote:\n")))

;;
;; Global key-bindings
;;
(global-set-key "\C-M" 'newline-and-indent)
(global-set-key "%" 'match-paren)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map [(shift tab)] [tab])

;; vt[2-4]* terminal bindings
(global-set-key [select] 'delete-char)

;; Borland-compatible bindings (shame on me!)
(global-set-key [(control f1)] 'manual-entry-at-point)
(global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer)
(global-set-key [f3] 'find-file)
(global-set-key [f9] 'compile)
(global-set-key [f8] 'gdb)

;; Miscellaneous
(global-set-key [f6] 'undo)
(global-set-key [f7] (lambda () (interactive) (copy-from-above-command 1)))
(global-set-key [find] 'isearch-forward)
(global-set-key [do] 'execute-extended-command)
(global-set-key [help] 'help-for-help)
(global-set-key "\C-cg" 'gnus)
(global-set-key "\C-xm" 'message-mail)

;; Define f2 for vt* terminals (this one was not necessary in 19.13!)
(define-key function-key-map "\e[12~" [f2])

;;; Long live delete
;;(if (console-on-window-system-p)
;;    (load-library "delbackspace"))

;;; For ddzeko
;;(paren-set-mode 'sexp)

(require 'scroll-in-place)

.gnus:
======
;;; Hey Emacs, this is your own -*- emacs-lisp -*-

;;;
;;; Gnus
;;;

;; obsolete:
;; '(("zsh.workers" "^X-Mailing-List: <zsh")
;;   ("gnus.announce" "^Sender: owner-ding-announce")
;;   ("squid.list" "^X-Mailing-List: <squid")
;;   ("fetch.reports" "^Subject: .*\\(geturl\\|fetch\\)")
;;   ("xemacs.beta" "^From xemacs")
;;   ("hrvatski.vjesnik" "^From [Hh]rvatski.[Vv]jesnik")
;;   ("mail.misc" "")))

(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-expiry-wait 'immediate
 nnmail-use-long-file-names t
 nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy
 nnmail-split-fancy
 '(| ("x-mailing-list" "zsh" "zsh.workers")
     ("x-mailing-list" "squid" "squid.list")
     ("sender" "owner-ding-announce" "gnus.announce")
     ("return-path" "ding-request" "gnus.discuss")
     ("received" "xemacs-beta" "xemacs.beta")
     ("sender" "hrvatski.vjesnik" "hrvatski.vjesnik")
     ("sender" "owner-robots" "robots.discuss")
     ("from" "gnus-bug" "mail.gnus-bugfixing")
     ("subject" "wget\\|w?fetch\\|geturl" "wget.reports")
     "private"))

(setq nnmail-delete-incoming nil)

;; Can't live without topics any more :)
(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-xmas-force-redisplay nil)

;; Watch out for these two (especially the second)!!!!!!
(setq gnus-novice-user nil
      gnus-expert-user t
      gnus-visual t)

(setq gnus-large-newsgroup 2000
      gnus-verbose 10
      gnus-verbose-backends 6
      gnus-view-pseudo-asynchronously t
      gnus-summary-goto-unread nil)

(setq gnus-default-article-saver 'gnus-summary-save-in-file
      gnus-use-long-file-name t
      gnus-prompt-before-saving t
      gnus-kill-files-directory "~/.scores")
;; Get rid of archive
;; gnus-message-archive-group nil)

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight t)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-emphasize t)

;;(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook 'something)

(setq gnus-thread-sort-functions
      '(gnus-thread-sort-by-number gnus-thread-sort-by-total-score))

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server
      gnus-save-killed-list nil
      gnus-subscribe-newsgroup-method 'gnus-subscribe-hierarchically
      gnus-subscribe-hierarchical-interactive t)

(random t)
(setq message-signature t)

(setq gnus-visible-headers "^From:\\|^Newsgroups:\\|^Subject:\\|^Date:\\|^Followup-To:\\|^Reply-To:\\|^Organization:\\|^Summary:\\|^Keywords:\\|^To:\\|^Cc:\\|^X-")

(cond ((not (console-on-window-system-p))
       (setq gnus-signature-face 'default)
       (setq gnus-cite-attribution-face 'italic)
       (setq gnus-cite-face-list '(default))))

(define-key gnus-group-mode-map "\C-_" 'gnus-undo)

site-lisp/sigs.el:
=================
;;; Random .sigs

(defvar sigs-template "~/.Sigs/template")

(defvar sigs-file "~/.Sigs/all"
  "The file where all the sigs are held.")

(defvar sigs-regexp "^[@%~]$"
  "Regexp to delimit signatures.")

(defvar sigs-list nil)

(defun sigs-build-siglist ()
  "Build the list of random signatures."
  (setq sigs-list nil)
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *sigs*"))
    (unwind-protect
        (let ((lastpos (point-min)))
          (insert-file-contents sigs-file)
          (goto-char lastpos)
          (while (re-search-forward sigs-regexp nil t)
            (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
            (push (buffer-substring lastpos (point))
                  sigs-list)
            (forward-line 1)
            (setq lastpos (point)))
          (setq sigs-list (nreverse sigs-list)))
      ;; Make sure buffer is killed
      (kill-buffer (current-buffer))))
  sigs-list)

(defun sigs-random-signature (&optional append)
  "Returns a random signature. The signatures are stored in the file
specified in `signature-files'.  If called interactively, it will
insert the signature into the current buffer."
  (interactive)
  (unless sigs-list
      (sigs-build-siglist))
  (let ((this-sig "") cnt)
    (save-excursion
      (when sigs-list
        (setq
         cnt (random (length sigs-list))
         this-sig (nth cnt sigs-list)))
      (set-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *signature template*"))
      (unwind-protect
          (progn
            (insert-file-contents sigs-template)
            (setq this-sig (concat (buffer-substring (point-min) (point-max))
                                   this-sig)))
        ;; Make sure buffer is killed
        (kill-buffer (current-buffer))))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (insert this-sig)
      this-sig)))

(provide 'sigs)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
To: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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    Jamie> Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and
    Jamie> reply in the style to which you seem to have
    Jamie> become accustomed:

    Jamie>     WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you
    Jamie> continue to put LIES in my mouth??  That's
    Jamie> exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
    Jamie> from your side.  Your response is so remarkably
    Jamie> stupid, it can only have been meant to pander
    Jamie> to the ignorant fools who have already come
    Jamie> under your sway.  Haven't you read anything
    Jamie> I've said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I
    Jamie> guess not.  That utterly pathetic response is
    Jamie> so typical, it's clear that you're not
    Jamie> interested in having an actual discussion.

    Jamie>     Why can't you be a little more polite?
    Jamie> I've been flawlessly calm, as in this message,
    Jamie> and all you people do is call me names. Why
    Jamie> must you make it personal?  Do you have
    Jamie> something to hide?

    Jamie>     You and your revisionist history remind me
    Jamie> of Hitler.

Pretty good, but you _forgot_ to *emphasize* words that
__really__ need to be STRESSED using -every- <B>possible</B>
*METHOD*.  Don't you *know* that arguments are MUCH
more _meaningful_ when thoroughly ***over-punctuated***?

<FONT SIZE=7 COLOR="#ff0000"><B><BLINK>Pez</BLINK></B></FONT>

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From: burgett@lhotse.eecs.berkeley.edu (Steve R. Burgett)
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Subject: Re: My .emacs is bigger than yours (was Re: .emacs configs)
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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

> 
> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
> >
> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 
> -- 
> Des Herriott
> des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 

48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
that I didn't write.

========================================================================
Steve Burgett                                   EECS Robotics Laboratory
http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~burgett/     University of California
burgett@eecs.berkeley.edu                       Berkeley, CA 94720-1770



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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 

48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
that I didn't write.

========================================================================
Steve Burgett                                   EECS Robotics Laboratory
http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~burgett/     University of California
burgett@eecs.berkeley.edu                       Berkeley, CA 94720-1770



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Subject: postscript printing with faces
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I am trying to pretty print from xemacs and would like to use syntax 
highlighting using fonts in my printed output since my printer doesn't
color. I'm not having any luck and I've tried too many combinations to
post here. Can someone give me a few simple steps to get set up.


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In article <9611151845.AA04402@thymus.synaptics.com> daveg@synaptics.com (Dave Gillespie) writes:

> > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

>     (and prefix
> +	 nil
> 	 (not calc-is-keypad-press)
> 	 (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

Dave, just to make sure, should one disable this only for XEmacs, or for
late versions of Emacs too? Could you put in a smarter disabling form
(maybe involving emacs-version)?

Regards, Vlad

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Display speed on ttys (was Re: Bench Marking XEmacs)
Date: 20 Nov 1996 16:39:25 -0700
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Just a layman's remark, and from a person who uses a tty (vt100) a lot: I
do think that XEmacs's display performance on a tty should be addressed. It
feels somehow unfair to suffer slower display performance when you can't
benefit from variable-height fonts etc anyway. On a 14.4kbps modem it's
bearable, except when debugging elisp, where one can see the unnecessary
redisplays flying around.

Is it technically feasible to keep two versions of the display engine (one
general and the other tty-optimised) and use the one that's appropriate for
the current frame?

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From: Mark Hood <hood@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:
> > I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
> > thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
> > than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a
> 
> If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it funny 
> that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on that editor only
> used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?) designed Epoch, did't he?)

Jamie's comment reminded me of a similar comment somebody made early in this
thread, about how funny it was that there was such passionate debate over
Emacs when the stakes were so small.  It vividly illustrates the cultural
rift between those for whom the ability to make money and entertain
consumers are the most important features of a program, and those who
program more for the sake of the advancement of the art and the empowerment
of users.

I code for a living as well as to practice the art, but I will be eternally
grateful to the hackers who live to code.

-- Mark Hood

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Subject: Re: Help : All completions changing to lower case
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Check out the variable dabbrev-case-replace. Mine is set to 
 '(memq major-mode '(text-mode indented-text-mode mail-mode news-reply-mode))

There's a number fo ways to get to this info. Eg one is `C-u C-h a dabbrev
RET' (hyper-apropos with argument) which lists the user-callable commands
and the user-relevant variables re dabbrev. How can you know that M-/ has
to do with dabbrev? Use C-h M-/ to see what the key invokes.

Note: do the `C-h a' AFTER you've used M-/ at least once to ensure that
dabbrev.el is loaded (including the documentation about the variables).

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:
 ...
Stephen> File mode specification error: (void-function
Stephen> easy-menu-create-keymaps)

Richard> [...]

Richard> [Don't know if this is in the FAQ, but I guess it should be]

It's been in there awhile:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_7_4

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...

   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.



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>>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com> writes:

Wayne> Ricardo Marek wrote:

Ricardo> Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
Ricardo> background for comments, reserved words, strings that make
Ricardo> the code almost unreadable. (foreground and background are
Ricardo> almost the same.)

Wayne> (setq ps-print-color-p nil)

That will make the printout come out in black & white, it doesn't
solve Ricardo's problem.  ps-print does currently lose when there is a
non-default background color.
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 I got Xemacs version 19.14 ...
 when I work on Java/C/C++ in it I can see all the function and commands in different colors
 The Question is - How can I add to standard list of function The Functions I made on my own
 so I'll be able to watch them in colors .
 for example :
 the (INT) type colored green and  ( font-lock-type-face ) ....
 the FOR's and IF's colored blue
 How can I add my function by the name THREAD (for example )
 to the list and then adjust it with the proper fonts and colors ( if I can choose 'em by myself).
 THANX...
 

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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
Des> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:

Gary> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
Gary> 
Gary> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

(At least it's better than a stupid flame war).

Des> Seems to be.

Des> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
Des> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.

$ ll .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom .gnus5.2.el
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        2138 Jan 26  1996 .custom.el
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       39232 Nov 19 21:22 .emacs
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        3939 Oct 27 17:43 .gnus-custom
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       15073 Nov 18 11:21 .gnus5.2.el

Portable to Emacs 19.34, XEmacs 19.14, 19.15 and 20.0, Gnus 5.2 & 5.3,
and Red Gnus.  :-)

Next?
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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:
>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
Kevin> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?

The Gnus FAQ has a lot of suggestions about things to put in a .gnus
file.  If you look hard enough on Dejanews you should find mine
somewhere, as I've posted versions of it a couple of times.

 ...

Kevin> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
Kevin> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Select Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar and start customizing :-).
It is a very good .emacs, and certainly a good basis to start from.

John> This brings to mind an exchange a while ago:

John> Initial statement:
John> "One could conceivably spend a lifetime configuring Emacs."

John> Response:
John> "What do you mean, 'conceivably'?"

:-)  Absolutely.

Corollary:
One could conceivably learn one new feature about Emacs every day, and
still not learn about all the features in Emacs.
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I saw this the first time you posted it, the answer was posted on
November 6.  Guess you subscribed the newsgroup a few days too late :-(.

>>>>> "Bodo" == Bodo Teichmann <tmn@iis.fhg.de> writes:

Bodo> xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
Bodo> 'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

Bodo> i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
Bodo> the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
Bodo> files after the change) . 

Bodo> the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
Bodo> starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
Bodo> autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

Bodo> any ideas ?

Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: gdb: ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work
>From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Date: 06 Nov 1996 17:44:54 -0800
Message-ID: <m2ybgek7ah.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>

>>>>> "Susan" == Susan Osofsky <susano@adobe.com> writes:

Susan> I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,
Susan> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e.,
Susan> gdb doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to
Susan> gdb-control-c-subjob.  If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob,
Susan> nothing happens either.

Susan> Any suggestions?

I was able to duplicate the problem you describe on Linux 2, and it is
due to sending a naked Control C character at the gdb process when no
interrupt character is defined on the pseudo tty.  In other words,
gdb-control-c-subjob is totally broken.

Try adding this to your environment and see if it works a little better:

(require 'gdb)
(fset 'gdb-control-c-subjob 'comint-interrupt-subjob)


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Rebytecompile mailcrypt and all will be well.  The answer to this
question and many others is in the XEmacs FAQ at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

>>>>> "P" == P Bryan Heidorn <heidorn@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> writes:

P> I found the appended message in the archive of the comp.emacs.xemacs
P> news group but no solution. 

P> I had the same problem on 19.13. I switched to
P> VM with XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3 and have the same problem with a new
P> message:

P> Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from
 ...

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: ispell doesn't complain about misspelled words!
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

 [problem with ispell]

Anders> Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
Anders> missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't
Anders> complain when i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

I heard from the maintainer of ispell.el that both 3.1.18 and 3.1.20
have some problems.  Perhaps that's what biting you.  I can't find the
message right now, so I can't be more specific, sorry.

There is a known problem with ispell.el getting confused when local
variables are present in a buffer being spell checked.
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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I meant to say I am using
Levent> 	(add-hook 'create-frame-hook '(load "lna-menus" ))
Levent> but it seems like this only works for the first frame. It
Levent> looks like I have to hook it up to buffer creation.

create-frame-hook is a different sort of hook, and you're not
attaching the right kind of function to it.

Levent> Is there a main menu
Levent> template that I can modify using *-menu -* functions?

One problem is in your hook function.
C-h v create-frame-hook

create-frame-hook's value is nil
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Function or functions to call when a frame is created.
One argument, the newly-created frame.

So you need to supply a function that takes a frame parameter.

The (load "lna-menus") command is only going to be useful once as
well.

HTH
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>>>>> "logos" == logos  <logos@algonet.se> writes:

logos> Is it possible to edit simultaneously several files in Xemacs or in
logos> GNU Emacs 19.- ?

Yes to both.

logos> How can this be done?

There are many ways.  Here are three:

1. File -> Open... on the menubar (Files->Open File... in Emacs 19.34)

2. Click on the Open glyph on the tool bar.

3. Type `C-x C-f' from the keyboard.

You may edit hundreds of files simultaneously this way.  Take a look
through the tutorial for simple examples (Help -> XEmacs tutorial from
the menubar, or `C-h t' from the keyboard).

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Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com> writes:

> 'efs' will work.  I've forgotten where to find it.  Anyone?

  ftp://alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu/efs

and fixes for XEmacs at:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/efs

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>>>>> "Jukka" == Jukka Partanen <jukka.partanen@research.nokia.com> writes:

Jukka> 	Hi!

Jukka> 	There is one very annoying feature in XEmacs 19.14. The
Jukka> 	entries in the completion window are not formatted properly if
Jukka> 	they appear in a window which is narrower than the frame (ie.
Jukka> 	horizontally divided frames). There is a comment about this
Jukka> 	behavior in display-completion-list (modes/list-mode.el):
 
Jukka>                        ;; This needs fixing for the case of
Jukka>                        ;; windows that aren't the same width's
Jukka>                        ;; the frame.  Sadly, the window it will
Jukka>                        ;; appear in is not known until after
Jukka>                        ;; the text has been made.

Jukka> 	Has this been fixed in current sources, or does anyone have a
Jukka> 	workaround?

No it hasn't. :-( You can always use the horizontal scrollbar to see
the right side of the buffer though.

You might try experimenting with putting some advice after
minibuffer-completion-help (the function that displays the completion
list).
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For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
it returns the following error and crasshes:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.
IOT trap

I don't even know where to begin on this one.  so any help anyone can
provide would be greatly appreciated.  It took forever to build this
thing, and I don't really want to do that again.

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  "kent-lee" == kent-lee  <kent-lee@uiowa.edu> writes:

kent-lee> I am trying to pretty print from xemacs and would like to
kent-lee> use syntax highlighting using fonts in my printed output
kent-lee> since my printer doesn't color. I'm not having any luck and
kent-lee> I've tried too many combinations to post here. Can someone
kent-lee> give me a few simple steps to get set up.

Well sort off. You can play with bold and italic and changing
their font 

>From ps-print.el

;; How Ps-Print Deals With Fonts
;;
;; The ps-print-*-with-faces commands attempt to determine which faces
;; should be printed in bold or italic, but their guesses aren't
;; always right.  For example, you might want to map colors into faces
;; so that blue faces print in bold, and red faces in italic.
;;
;; It is possible to force ps-print to consider specific faces bold or
;; italic, no matter what font they are displayed in, by setting the
;; variables ps-bold-faces and ps-italic-faces.  These variables
;; contain lists of faces that ps-print should consider bold or
;; italic; to set them, put code like the following into your .emacs
;; file:
;;
;;      (setq ps-bold-faces '(my-blue-face))
;;      (setq ps-italic-faces '(my-red-face))
;;
;; Faces like bold-italic that are both bold and italic should go in
;; *both* lists.
;;
;; Ps-print does not attempt to guess the sizes of fonts; all text is
;; rendered using the Courier font family, in 10 point size.  To
;; change the font family, change the variables ps-font, ps-font-bold,
;; ps-font-italic, and ps-font-bold-italic; fixed-pitch fonts work
;; best, but are not required.  To change the font size, change the
;; variable ps-font-size.


Frossie
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It seems that the extent code in 19.14 treats extents as if they have
the open-start property when they don't.  This breaks the code in
atomic-extents.el - when you insert a character before an atomic
extent the cursor ends up after the extent.

I want to know if this bug is known, before I start digging around in
the code? (I couldn't find it on DejaNews.)

The version string is:

 XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-unknown-linux2.0.0) of Mon Jun 24 1996 on notung


Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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Hrvoje Niksic writes:

> (setq lst nil)
> (while condition
>   (...process and bind variable x...)
>   (nconc lst (list x)))

> This doesn't work, since (nconc lst '(something)) does not change lst
> if it is nil.  This is why my solution is something like:

What about:

(setq lst
 (let* ((plst (list 'dummy)) ; list initialized with a head node
        (tlst plst)) ; always the tail of the list
   (while condition
     (...process and bind variable x...)
     (setq tlst (cdr (nconc tlst (list x))))
   (cdr plst)))

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
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Universidade Estadual de Campinas, SP, Brasil

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Hi all.

Every once in a while w3 connction fails with this error:
`connection failed: address already in use, www.spe.sony.com, WWW'
When I wait for a few seconds, and follow the link again, connection
succeed.
Why is that?
How can I make w3 wait and retry connection it self?
-- 
Regards,

	Shlomo Mahlab

Oren Semiconductor Ltd.			Tel: 972-4-9894565
P.O.Box 201				Fax: 972-4-9894566
Yoqne'am Illit 20692, Israel		Email: shlomo@oren.co.il


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Ar 19 Nov 1996 13:07:48 -0800, ysgrifennodd Gary D. Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com>:
|Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
|
|> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
|> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
|> 
|> P.S.
|> 
|> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
|> grow.
|
|Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
|

Heh that's nothing, my dfxemacs.el file is 45,129 bytes.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sean V. Kelley          O rhyfeddod per yw bywyd
skelley@primenet.com         a ni yw'r pererinion!

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> I used Emacs on TOPS-20 for several years.

Me too, Mr. Twinkletits sir.  

And Perq, and Symbolics, and Explorer, and DOS, and Amiga.  I've
forgotten more about Emacs on non-Unix platforms than you'll ever know.

> but to say that Emacs is limited to Unix systems displays a monumental
> ignorance both of its past and its present, not to mention its future.

It certainly would.

> but I'm _greatly_ comforted to know that Jamie is so ignorant

Spanky, if you would read the words I wrote, instead of the words that
you'd like to put in my mouth, you'd realize that I said nothing of the
kind.

By the way, you still remind me of Hitler.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/

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* Jamie Zawinski
| Me too, Mr. Twinkletits sir.  

again, I really hope you're enjoying yourself, but I guess these pathetic
attempts at flames is an acceptable price to pay as long as I can keep you
from doing more harm elsewhere.

#\Erik
-- 
Please address private replies, only, to "erik".  Junk mail, spam,
stupid flames, courtesy copies, etc, should be sent to "nobody".

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Will you people please grow up? Why this exhibitionism? Everyone in this
news group has to take the time to delete your juvenile rantings. Do you
think it is so profound and literate that anyone outside your fevered circle
cares a whit?

Tom Steger
steger@tautron.com

----------------------------

> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Wed Nov 20 19:40:29 1996
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:38:35 -0500
> From: Peter Pezaris <mv!pez@dwwc.com>
> To: Jamie Zawinski <mv!jwz@netscape.com>
> Cc: mv!xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
> 
> 
>     Jamie> Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and
>     Jamie> reply in the style to which you seem to have
>     Jamie> become accustomed:
> 
>     Jamie>     WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you
>     Jamie> continue to put LIES in my mouth??  That's
>     Jamie> exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
>     Jamie> from your side.  Your response is so remarkably
>     Jamie> stupid, it can only have been meant to pander
>     Jamie> to the ignorant fools who have already come
>     Jamie> under your sway.  Haven't you read anything
>     Jamie> I've said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I
>     Jamie> guess not.  That utterly pathetic response is
>     Jamie> so typical, it's clear that you're not
>     Jamie> interested in having an actual discussion.
> 
>     Jamie>     Why can't you be a little more polite?
>     Jamie> I've been flawlessly calm, as in this message,
>     Jamie> and all you people do is call me names. Why
>     Jamie> must you make it personal?  Do you have
>     Jamie> something to hide?
> 
>     Jamie>     You and your revisionist history remind me
>     Jamie> of Hitler.
> 
> Pretty good, but you _forgot_ to *emphasize* words that
> __really__ need to be STRESSED using -every- <B>possible</B>
> *METHOD*.  Don't you *know* that arguments are MUCH
> more _meaningful_ when thoroughly ***over-punctuated***?
> 
> <FONT SIZE=7 COLOR="#ff0000"><B><BLINK>Pez</BLINK></B></FONT>

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:
> 
> Levent> I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email
> Levent> in VM, which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I
> Levent> put this thing in the background?
> 
> You're not (easily).  An alternative would be to spawn a subprocess
> which plays the sounds, but then you're not using the built-in sound
> capabilities.
> 
> This is just one of the things that could be made nicer if we had
> threaded execution.

If you have NAS running, XEmacs will play sounds asynchronously, just
as you want them too.  XEmacs comes with NAS support, but you'll also
need the full NAS package (see any X11 site) to get it to work.
Otherwise, you'll be using native sound which does lock up XEmacs
during play.

Ray

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Steve, 
	Why dont you post your .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom
.gnus5.2.el in this group. They will be helpful.

Thanks
- Sobhan

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:
> 
> Des> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
> Des> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
> 
> Gary> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> Gary> 
> Gary> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> (At least it's better than a stupid flame war).
> 
> Des> Seems to be.
> 
> Des> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> Des> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 
> $ ll .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom .gnus5.2.el
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        2138 Jan 26  1996 .custom.el
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       39232 Nov 19 21:22 .emacs
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        3939 Oct 27 17:43 .gnus-custom
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       15073 Nov 18 11:21 .gnus5.2.el
> 
> Portable to Emacs 19.34, XEmacs 19.14, 19.15 and 20.0, Gnus 5.2 & 5.3,
> and Red Gnus.  :-)
> 
> Next?
> -- 
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Subject: Xemacs problems with Sparc/Linux
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:13:02 -0500
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I cannot compile xemacs on my sparc/linux.  I posted this problem
earlier and received some good suggestions, but they did not work.
The error is misunderstood library references (given below).  The
Xaw and Xaw3d libraries do not seem to work - I pulled off the most
recent RPMS and loaded them onto the Sparc.  You can see the error
below, but it amounts to not being able to find the right Xaw
library.  Anybody who has compiled on Sparc/Linux: do you have any
ideas?  Same problem?  It happens with Xaw and Xaw3d!

Scott
======================error=======================================


gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker  
-L/usr/X11R6/lib               -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs
pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o
buffer.o bytecode.o     callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o
cmdloop.o        cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o
database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o   
editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o
event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o
floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o  frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o
dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o       hash.o  indent.o
inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o      
macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o                 objects.o
opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o
realpath.o  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o        scrollbar.o 
search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o
syntax.o sysdep.o     toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o
event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  undo.o
unexelf.o         console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o
frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o
scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o  xmu.o   window.o
terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o
EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o
EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw3d -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    
-lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                   -lncurses          
-lgdbm  -ldb      -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o        
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TEXT'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TARGETS'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToBitmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToBackingStore'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuInternAtom'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`_XA_CHARACTER_POSITION'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_COMPOUND_TEXT'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`_XEditResCheckMessages'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCreateStippledPixmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuReshapeWidget'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToColorCursor'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_SPAN'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToOrientation'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToJustify'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_NULL'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuRegisterExternalAgent'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_LENGTH'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuDistinguishablePixels'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuAddInitializer'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToCursor'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCallInitializers'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToGravity'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_DELETE'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuReleaseStippledPixmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_LIST_LENGTH'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuConvertStandardSelection'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuNewCvtStringToWidget'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuLocatePixmapFile'
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

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From: Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be>
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Kevin Penrose writes:

 > Is there some repository of all of the various settings
 > that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
 > 
 > I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
 > incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
 > missing out on some great settings.
 > 
 > Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
 > you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Since some other people also seem to be interested ...

Some time ago, I made a few WWW-pages on the customization of
XEmacs. For those interested, please take a look at:
   http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/
If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know.

Erik

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Erik Naggum writes:
 |* Jamie Zawinski
 || Ha ha ha ha ha.
 |
 |geez.  I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.  I'm also _delighted_ that you
 |are not involved in XEmacs, anymore.  if only you would follow your own
 |advice and make a clean cut and get out of here permanently.  why the hell
 |do you insist on being a pest around people who're working on a cheesy
 |little Unix editor when you could have had all the bliss in the world
 |working on a crummy little web browser?
 |

You know I always tell my kids: "The only difference between school
and work is that at work, you don't have teachers to break up the
fights".

--Brian M.

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What?... Is this a T-shirt contest?... The one with the
largest startup file wins?

1) My .emacs is only 58 lines ( 12 lines of lisp code, 46 of comment
   lines)............. I would win for the shortest .emacs file!.
   - Adds ~/lib/lisp to the load-path
   - Using emacs-vers.el calls a spacific startup file:
     - xemacs-init.el for XEmacs 19.14
     - lemacs-init.el for Lucid 19.6
     - fsf-init.el for the GNUish people.

2) My .emacs is READ-ONLY and calls a bunch of other startup files,
   which are byte-compiled. (That speeds up your startup).
   You may pick the sources  if you want, they are
   located on a tar-compressed file of 108 Kb. on:

       http://w3.ornet.co.il/~ricky/lisp.tar.Z 

   By now, I should win for the largest-redundant-and-unpractical-startup-files too.

--- Ricky ;)


>>>>> Sean V Kelley writes:

 Sean: Ar 19 Nov 1996 13:07:48 -0800, ysgrifennodd Gary D. Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com>:
 Sean: |Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
 Sean: |
 Sean: |> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
 Sean: |> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
 Sean: |> 
 Sean: |> P.S.
 Sean: |> 
 Sean: |> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
 Sean: |> grow.
 Sean: |
 Sean: |Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
 Sean: |

 Sean: Heh that's nothing, my dfxemacs.el file is 45,129 bytes.

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To: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Display speed on ttys (was Re: Bench Marking XEmacs) 
In-reply-to: Your message of "20 Nov 1996 16:39:25 MST."
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:50:20 -0600
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>

    Vladimir> Is it technically feasible to keep two versions of the
    Vladimir> display engine (one general and the other tty-optimised)
    Vladimir> and use the one that's appropriate for the current
    Vladimir> frame?

The redisplay engine is divided into three parts.  The largest by far
is the part that figures out what the display should currently look
like and creates data structures representing that display.  The
second part compares the structures representing what is currently
displayed with the new structures representing what should be
displayed and calls output routines as apropriate to make them
identical.  The third part is the actual output routines.  There are
separate routines for each type of output system XEmacs currently
supports.  Currently that means X and tty's.  With very few exceptions
the first and second parts of the display engine have no idea what
type of device they are working with.  To port the XEmacs display
engine to something new such as, say, Windows 95, a new file
redisplay-win95.c would need to be created.  Almost nothing else would
need to be done.

Current sizes of those three parts:

first	243458	redisplay.c
second	 39003	redisplay-output.c
third	 42711	redisplay-tty.c
	 67265	redisplay-x.c


Getting back to your question.  The only part that really requires any
work to massively speed up the tty output performance is the middle
part, redisplay-output.c.  A few new routines would need to be added
to redisplay-tty.c but those are pretty straight forward.
redisplay-output is currently optimized to figure out what part of a
given line has changed and to only output that part of the line.  For
X displays this works just fine and in fact in a variable height line
it gets really messy to do anymore.  tty's are not variable height,
however, and there display routines are designed around the assumption
that large blocks of unchanged text are not redrawn but scrolled to
their new position.  You should be able to see the problem now.
Efficient tty updating needs to work on multiple line blocks but
redisplay-output only looks at single lines.

The fix is to calculate a hash value for each line in both the current
and desired display structures, use that info to find blocks of lines
which have just been shifted up or down and not actually changed
otherwise and then use tty scrolling routines to move them rather than
redrawing them.  This optimization should probably actually be
triggered when the number of lines in the current and desired displays
are equal rather than based on whether the output display is a tty or
not.   Though some mechanism then needs to be present to disallow it
since block scrolling on some X devices is actually slower than just
redrawing everything.

There you have it.  Go for it.  I really, really wish I had time to
implement it, but I don't.


			-Chuck

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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.
Besides a wonderful thread about 'Mine is bigger than yours' maybe there
are also some helpful hints that can be collected about things like
'loading time of .emacs', 'good places were to put things', etc.
Especially the first might be really helpful!

The only thing I came up with is the following (because I was to lazy to
check, wether byte-compile also works for the .emacs file):

.emacs:
;;;; speed up loading of emacs by using emacs.elc
(load "~/lemacs/emacs" nil t)

emacs.el:
all the things you want to do...

Anything else that might be helpful? How about loading things in .emacs
on demand (via startup-parm)? Can this be done?

Thomas
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Scott Smyth wrote:

> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TEXT'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TARGETS'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
> `XmuCvtStringToBitmap'

You are lacking the Xmu library.  I had this same problem.
Although, I don't remember having problems with _XA_TEXT ...

Essentially, I cheated and went in and manually added in -lXmu to
all references to the various libraries.  (LIBX= ... -lXmu) and to
the XMU_LIB references (XMULIB = -lXmu)

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> ;; Vi-style parentheses matching
> (defun match-paren (arg)
>   "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
>   (interactive "p")
>   (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
>         ((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
>         (t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))

Wow, that is a smart idea. Only, I would like to modify the behavior
just a little bit. This might no longer be VI compatible, but I don't
use that editor anyways, so I wouldn't know :-)

 - as I use expression-highlighting, I would prefer to jump between
   the beginning and end of the highlighted region. This means that I
   look at the closing parenthesis _before_ my current point. Note,
   that this is ambiguous when a closing parenthesis is directly
   followed by an opening one, but it still reflects the behavior of
   expression highlighting.

 - I want to set a mark at the position were I was before I jumped and
   I want to activate the zmacs region. Also, multiple consecutive
   calls to this function should not result in identical marks filling
   up the mark-ring.

 - I want all error messages silently surpressed, if parenthesis are
   not matched.

(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %;
   if moving the point, set mark at old position and activate zmacs region."
  (interactive "p")
  (save-match-data
    (condition-case nil
	(let ((beg (point)))
	  (cond ((save-excursion (backward-char 1) (looking-at "\\s\)"))
		 (backward-list 1))
		((looking-at "\\s\(")
		 (forward-list 1))
		(error "")) ; error handler will insert character
	  (if (eq (point) (mark t)) (pop-mark))
	  (push-mark beg nil t))
      (error (self-insert-command (or arg 1))))))

I am still very new to writing e-lisp code, so please point out all
problems that you see with this code.


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> first	243458 redisplay.c        data structures representing the display
> second 39003 redisplay-output.c compares structures; calls output routines
> third	 42711 redisplay-tty.c    actual output routines
> 	 67265 redisplay-x.c

> To massively speed up the tty output performance, [change]
> redisplay-output.c. [It] is currently optimized to figure out what part
> of a given line has changed and to only output that part of the line.
> Efficient tty updating needs to work on multiple line blocks but
> redisplay-output only looks at single lines.

Doesn't Emacs also do some optimizations at the single-character level (as
opposed to the whole-lines level)? Can the tty optimizations from Emacs be
reused in XEmacs, or is THIS unfeasible?

> There you have it.
A good description, Chuck.

> Go for it. I really, really wish I had time to implement it, but I don't.
Me neither. I'm already too far behind with my thesis as it is :-(.
Any takers?

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If you have to brag about it... :-)

Randy
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rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:

> 
> If you have to brag about it... :-)
> 
> Randy

Uhm... I can just see the comments starting now, so I want to get my
shot in early...

"It's not the size of my .emacs, it's how I use it"

-- Gary F.

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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Mark Hood wrote:
> 
> Jamie's comment reminded me of a similar comment somebody made early in this
> thread, about how funny it was that there was such passionate debate over
> Emacs when the stakes were so small.  It vividly illustrates the cultural
> rift between those for whom the ability to make money and entertain
> consumers are the most important features of a program, and those who
> program more for the sake of the advancement of the art and the empowerment
> of users.

"The advancement of the art" and "the empowerment of users" are two very
different things.  And by virtue of having such a small group to whom it
can possibly hold attraction, Emacs just doesn't empower all that many
users.  

There are a lot of people who are in this business for the money, but
I'm not one of them.

I would say, however, that the ability to entertain people is far more
important than more abstract, essoteric topics.  

I did AI for years, and the rubber never hit the road: one can sit
around pontificating forever, but what's the point if you don't actually
produce something of real-world utility?  I measure real-world utility
by how many people get *value* from it, in terms of time savings, or
entertainment, or whatever it is that they find important.

There are some people who are in this business because they enjoy
hacking for hacking's sake.  Those are the sort of people who will spend
ages hacking on a program that nobody else ever sees, something that
they don't ever give away: polishing jewels in the dark.  I'm not one of
them.  The thing that I enjoy most is writing code that's actually
useful to other people.  I'm not into theory, I'm in to doing things
that actually cause computers to *help*, or to *entertain*.

So as a result of this, I find it fundamentally more interesting to work
on projects that have a wide range of people who get utility from them.

Sitting around in a small group arguing about intellectual purity might
be interesting in small doses, but as far as I'm concerned, it misses
the primary point entirely, which is putting cool stuff in front of lots
of people's faces.

This has nothing to do with money, except in that the properties that
make software interesting to large groups of people also tend to make
that software financially viable.  I guess that's why people often
misinterpret the two goals.

(There are also people who are so insecure that they have contempt for
people who are not hackers, and don't even want to think about making
software that's useful for them, because that would let outsiders into
their community.  These are usually people who don't think that easy-
to-use user interfaces are worth the effort.  These people are
interested in large user bases, but only so long as those users are 
just like them.  I find those people kind of sad.)

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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I'm trying to change the background color of Gnus and VM to be different
from the background I actually use in the editor. Can I do this at all? Can
I do this in .Xdefaults? 
-- 
rick  

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott  <cotton@blue.seas.upenn.edu> writes:

Scott> For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
Scott> problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
Scott> changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
Scott> it returns the following error and crasshes:

Scott> Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
Scott> async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Scott> Fatal error (6).
Scott> Your files have been auto-saved.
Scott> IOT trap

2 questions:
1.  What libc are you using?
2.  Did you strip XEmacs?

I first reported a problem like this on March 30.  I don't think I
ever got a workaround other than having the problem just go away after
further system upgrades.  (XEmacs 19.14/libc-5.[34] is definitely
stable with respect to this problem).

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Date: 30 Mar 1996 18:56:46 -0800
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(Ben Wing is Cc'ed since XEmacs is now experiencing major breakage
with new Linux kernels).

>>>>> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds <torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi> writes:
 ...
Linus>  - named pipes now work the way God intended them to work, the SunOS 
Linus>    compat code is disabled by default.
 ...
Linus> Look it over, will you?

Linus> 		Linus

 [Linux 1.3.81 oops deleted.  -sb/Nov-21-96]

I'm triggering some other kind of bogosity now with XEmacs in that I
can no longer run Gnus in it if I start XEmacs out of an olvwm menu --
it eventually dies with:
Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327, async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.
and a stack backtrace of:
(gdb) where
#0  0x4017b875 in __kill ()
#1  0x8086b90 in fatal_error_signal (sig=6) at emacs.c:170
#2  0xbffda3ec in __ypbindlist ()
#3  0x401a6eb9 in gsignal ()
#4  0x80d3e4b in alarm (howlong=1) at signal.c:327
#5  0x401bfd9b in sleep ()
(gdb) 

It doesn't seem right to me that XEmacs should redefine alarm, but not
redefine sleep, which calls alarm (in libc 5.2.18 at least).  Whatever
XEmacs is doing though causes XF86_SVGA (3.1.2) to crash in Linux
1.3.77 and 1.3.80;  it does not crash the X server in 1.2.13 or 1.3.81.

I can however, type the XEmacs command on a command line in an xterm
and have it work normally.  Perhaps this is related to the row/columns
stty initialization bug, which is hitting me in spades too.

Regards,
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Hi,

I use both Xemacs versions 19.14, and 19.10 (Lemacs).
I also used Xemacs 19.13. My problem is speed:


Xemacs 19.14 is about twice as slow as 19.10. When
comparing the two, it's almost tragic. Lemacs 19.10
is much, much faster. 

I created a test defun, one that scans a large file with
re-search-backward a 1000 times. Lemacs did it in 25 secs,
Xemacs 19.14 in 44 secs. :-(( During the 1000 scans, Xemacs
did a couple of GC's, so it looked and stopped my message
at each loop for a short while.

Is there any way to increase the speed?

Thanks,

Robert.

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Subject: Re: How to modify menus on all frames?
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>>>>> "lna" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

lna> Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
lna> 	(load "lna-menus" )
lna> in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

lna> This did not work in 19.14.  It seems like I have to do
lna> 	(add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook '(load "lna-menus" ))

lna> Is there a better way of initializing this than doing it for each
lna> frame?

This probably ought to be a FAQ entry.

Try this:

(let ((current-menubar (default-value 'current-menubar)))
  (load "lna-menus"))

Martin

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott  <cotton@blue.seas.upenn.edu> writes:

Scott> For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
Scott> problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
Scott> changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
Scott> it returns the following error and crasshes:

Scott> Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
Scott> async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Scott> Fatal error (6).
Scott> Your files have been auto-saved.
Scott> IOT trap

Scott> I don't even know where to begin on this one.  so any help anyone can
Scott> provide would be greatly appreciated.  It took forever to build this
Scott> thing, and I don't really want to do that again.

The obvious place to start is to upgrade to 19.14.

The symptom you report has also been reported in 19.14, although it
*may* be fixed in 19.15.  The XEmacs maintainers cannot reproduce this.

Martin












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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> The programmers here in Ornet use different editors for
Ricardo> editing their code. Now, it is under my responsibility to
Ricardo> provide them with templates for 'C' files.

Ricardo> The templates contain some 'constant' data, fields that the
Ricardo> user is prompted to fill (input fields), and other fields
Ricardo> that are automatically filled. (.e.g: Date, User-Login-Name,
Ricardo> Filename, etc).

Ricardo> I'm sure that there are already packages that may help you to
Ricardo> create and use templates, that with some simple lisp function
Ricardo> you can insert the initial file, and even more, when you want
Ricardo> to write a function, by pressing a special key, you get a
Ricardo> template with the header comment and the empty function body.

Ricardo> Any hints?

;;; autoinsert.el --- automatic mode-dependent insertion of text into new files

I'd also recommend taking a look at the new buffer code in psgml which
does just about what you suggest.
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body."  -- David Brinkley

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Subject: time stamps
Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:18:00 +0100
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I copied some files from another (type of) computer and it did not retain
the original time stamp. I need them for an archive and had to put the
original stamp back on using the Unix command 'touch'. Isn't there a way to
do this with dired? I looked hard and couldn't find.
-- 
rick  

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From: Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu>
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Subject: C-g screws up my gnuattach
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Sorry if this is in the faq. I looked and couldn't find anything.

Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
total mess. 

Running trace on gnuattach gives me the impression that it just sends
server-tty-edit-files to xemacs, and the C-g is probably killing that
function, causing gnuattach to exit. Looking at the source for gnuserv though,
I don't particularly understand it, and I certainly don't know how to fix it.

Any help?

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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Does anybody know what causes this sort of problem in the dbx window?
The same thing happens if you do 'man' from within a shell or use
'more'. This is driving me crazy. Also, any suggestions for .emacs or
.dbxrc for using dbx within XEmacs?

--More--
# If you routinely use both newer and older releases of dbx, you might
--More--
# wish to retain your .dbxinit file and add uses of new functionality to
--More--
# a .dbxrc file which `sources' your .dbxinit.  There is an example of
--More--
# how to do this at the end of this help topic.
--More--


TIA

-- 
Justin Gordon, CFA              Mellon Capital Management
email: justin@mcm.com						595 Market Street, #3000 
phone: 415.267.1287							San Francisco, CA 94105 

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I have recently switched to Xemacs from emacs, and I am having a bit
of a misunderstanding about how to get vm to start up properly.  

I had some things in the .emacs that did not work right, so I now have
a .xemacs, which calls my xstartup.el.  This starts up with a -l just
fine.  

I start xemacs like this:

xemacs -q -fg white -bg black  &

and when it comes up, I do a M-x vm RET and all goes well starting up
VM, and from there all is well.  However, there is some functionality
in the .xemacs/xstartup.el file that I would like to have in vm.  I
have commented out everything in .xemacs/xstartup.el, so that 

xemacs -q -fg white -bg black -l .xemacs &

should have the same effect as starting it up with a -q.

However, and this is the problem that I have been having no matter
what I do with the .xemacs file, I get a message "

Required feature vm-startup was not provided.

"

in the minibuffer.

I am wondering how to get vm to startup with the .xemacs being loaded
at startup.  Even though this .xemacs is empty, it still does not
work, failing with the aforementioned message.  


I just tried something new.  I loaded up xemacs with the -q, so that
no files were loaded at startup.  M-x vm RET to get vm working
properly. then I did a M-x load-file ~/lib/emacs/xstartup.el.backup,
and all went well.  I do not understand, but at least I have a
workaround.

tia,
Rob


If this is too rambling to be clear, I will straighten it out.


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[Added gnu.emacs.gnus to Newsgroups:]

>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan K Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

Sobhan> Steve, 

Sobhan> Why dont you post your .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom
Sobhan> .gnus5.2.el in this group. They will be helpful.

I'll pass on posting my entire .emacs.  For the most part, the
interesting portions of it have been posted to this newsgroup before.

This is how I initialize Gnus.

0.  Gnus setup in .emacs.
(setq slb-gnus-lockfile "~/.gnus-lockfile")
(when (not (file-exists-p slb-gnus-lockfile))
  (setq custom-file "~/.gnus-custom")

  (add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook
	    (lambda ()
	      (condition-case nil
		  (make-directory slb-gnus-lockfile)
		(t nil))))
  (add-hook 'gnus-after-exiting-gnus-hook
	    (lambda ()
	      (condition-case nil
		  (delete-directory slb-gnus-lockfile)
		(t nil))))
  (if running-xemacs
      (progn
	(setq gnus-bbdb-lisp-directory "/usr/lib/xemacs/bbdb-1.51/")
	(setq gnus-use-bbdb t)
	;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/")
	(if (>= emacs-major-version 20)
	    (progn
	      (setq gnus-experimental t)
	      (setq steve-gnus-path "/i/xemacs-20.0-b28/lisp/gnus/"))
	  (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/lib/xemacs/gnus-5.2.40/lisp/"))
	;; (setq gnus-play-startup-jingle t)
	(add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook 'gnus-xmas-define)
	(setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/lib/xemacs/rgnus-0.68/lisp/")
	;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
	;; (setq nntp-server-list-active-group nil)
	;; (when (and (>= emacs-major-version 19)
		   ;; (>= emacs-minor-version 15))
		   ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/i/xemacs-19.15-b1/lisp/gnus/"))
	)
    ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/19.32/lisp/")
    ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-5.2/lisp/")
    (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/rgnus/lisp/")
    (setq gnus-use-bbdb t)
    (setq gnus-bbdb-lisp-directory
	  "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-1.51/")
    ;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
    )

    (setq gnus-init-file "~/.gnus5.2")
    (if running-xemacs
	(progn
	  (setq gnus-gnus-lisp-directory steve-gnus-path)
	  (if (>= emacs-major-version 20)
	      (progn
		;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
		(setq code-converter-is-broken nil)
		(setq gnus-tm-lisp-directory
		      "/usr/local/lib/xmule/site-lisp/"))))
      (setq gnus-gnus-lisp-directory steve-gnus-path))
  (setq gnus-use-tm t)
  (setq gnus-use-mailcrypt t)

  (setq mime-setup-use-signature nil)
  (setq sc-confirm-always-p nil)

  ;; (setq mail-use-rfc822 t)

  ;; (load "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/sgnus-0.96/lisp/gnus-setup.el")
  (load (concat steve-gnus-path "gnus-setup.el"))
  ;; Rmail stuffs
  (setq mail-archive-file-name "~/spool/sent.spool")

  (if gnus-use-tm
      (progn
	(setq mime-editor/message-default-max-length 10000)
	(setq mime-editor/message-max-length-alist
	      '((news-reply-mode . 10000)))
	(require 'tl-misc)
	(call-after-loaded 'tm-view
			   #'(lambda () (require 'tm-pgp))))))

;;; Avoid an XEmacs bug, do not invert colors when fetching a password
(setq passwd-invert-frame-when-keyboard-grabbed nil)


1.  .custom.el is customization of Gnus 5.2.
;; ~/.custom.el --- Automatically generated customization information.
;; 
;; Feel free to edit by hand, but the entire content should consist of
;; a single setq.  Any other lisp expressions will confuse the
;; automatic configuration engine.

(setq custom-dummy 'custom-dummy
      gnus-summary-highlight (list
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-canceled-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "yellow" "black" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (or
     (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
     (= mark gnus-ticked-mark)))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (or
     (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
     (= mark gnus-ticked-mark)))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(or
    (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
    (= mark gnus-ticked-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (= mark gnus-ancient-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (= mark gnus-ancient-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-ancient-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (/= mark gnus-unread-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (/= mark gnus-unread-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-expirable-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkOrange2" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(/= mark gnus-unread-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 '((> score default)
   . bold)
 '((< score default)
   . italic))

      gnus-article-display-hook (list
 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike
 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted
 'gnus-article-hide-signature
 'gnus-article-highlight
 'gnus-article-date-local
 'gnus-article-hide-pgp
 'gnus-article-add-buttons-to-head)

      gnus-button-url 'w3-fetch
      gnus-visual t)

2. .gnus-custom is for customization of Red Gnus, AKA Gnus 5.4.  Due
   to line length, this must be encoded.

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3. .gnus5.2.el is for setting up Gnus 5.2 through Red Gnus.  Certain
   portions of this have been censored.

;;; April '96 Gnus 5.2 Initialization.

;; Custom has gone away, load in the .custom file by hand if necessary
;(when (and (fboundp 'defcustom)
;	   (file-exists-p "~/.custom.el"))
;  (load "~/.custom.el" nil t))

(when (and (fboundp 'defcustom)
	   (file-exists-p (expand-file-name custom-file)))
  (defface gnus-summary-expirable-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Orange"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkOrange2"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for expirable articles.")

  (defface gnus-summary-high-dormant-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Brown" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Brown" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for high interest ticked articles.")

  (defface gnus-summary-low-dormant-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Brown"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Brown"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for low interest ticked articles.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-4-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "DarkTurquoise" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkGreen" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for Newsgroups, level 4.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-4-empty-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "DarkTurquoise"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkGreen"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for empty Newsgroups, level 4.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-5-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Red" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Red" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for Newsgroups, level 5.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-5-empty-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Red"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Red"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for empty Newsgroups, level 5.")

  (load custom-file))

(setq browse-url-browser-function (function browse-url-lynx-xterm))

;; Use smtpmail and not local mail
;(autoload 'smtpmail-send-it "smtpmail")
;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
;(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "riker.miranova.com")
;(setq smtpmail-local-domain nil)

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file 
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

(unless (boundp 'gnus-visible-headers)
  (require 'article))
(cond ((stringp gnus-visible-headers)
       (setq gnus-visible-headers
	     (concat gnus-visible-headers
		     "\\|^X-Diagnostic:\\|^X-Newsreader:\\|^X-Mailer:")))
      ((listp gnus-visible-headers)
       (setq gnus-visible-headers
	     (append gnus-visible-headers
		     '("^X-Diagnostic" "^X-Newsreader" "^X-Mailer")))))

(if (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (when (and (boundp 'gnus-use-bbdb)
		 gnus-use-bbdb)
	(require 'gnus-bbdb)
	(gnus-bbdb-insinuate-summary-buffer))
      (setq gnus-auto-center-summary nil)
      (setq gnus-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.24/gnus/")
      (setq message-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.24/message/")
      (require 'smiley)
      ;(setq smiley-regexp-alist smiley-nosey-regexp-alist)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-smiley-display t)
      (copy-face 'default 'gnus-x-face)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)
      (setq message-xmas-dont-activate-region t)
      (setq gnus-use-picons nil)))

;(setq gnus-use-nocem t)
;(setq gnus-nocem-issuers '("Automoose-1" "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca;" "jem@xpat.com;" "red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew)" "rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us"))

(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)
;(setq gnus-article-display-hook '(gnus-article-treat-overstrike
;	gnus-article-hide-signature
;;;;	gnus-article-display-x-face
;	gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted
;	gnus-article-date-local
;	gnus-article-hide-pgp
;	gnus-article-highlight))
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pgp)
(when running-xemacs
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pem))
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-date-local)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-signature)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike)

(when (fboundp 'defcustom)
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-emphasize))

(if (and (boundp 'gnus-use-picons)
	 gnus-use-picons)
    (progn
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-picons t)
      (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-hook 'gnus-group-display-picons t)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-picons-article-display-x-face)
      (setq gnus-picons-database "/a/u/Linux/faces")))

(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-topic-unique nil)

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.dgnusrc")
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.callamer.com"))
(setq gnus-use-adaptive-scoring t)
(setq gnus-uu-post-include-before-composing t)
(setq gnus-nov-is-evil nil)
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

(when (not (fboundp 'defcustom))
  (setq gnus-cite-face-list 'dark)
  (setq gnus-face-dark-name-list
        '("dark blue" "firebrick"
	  "dark green" "OrangeRed" "DarkOliveGreen4" "dark violet"
	  "SteelBlue4" "DeepPink3" "CornflowerBlue" "SeaGreen" "dark magenta")))

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)

(setq gnus-save-killed-list nil)
;;; (setq gnus-button-url 'w3-fetch)

;;; Basic stuffs
(setq gnus-local-domain "miranova.com")
(setq gnus-local-organization "Miranova Systems, Inc.")
(setq message-user-organization gnus-local-organization)

(setq gnus-use-long-file-name t)
(setq nnmail-use-long-file-names t)
(setq gnus-save-all-headers t)

(setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
(setq gnus-single-article-buffer nil)
(setq gnus-default-article-saver 'gnus-summary-save-in-mail)
(setq gnus-article-save-directory "~/spool/")

(setq message-included-forward-headers "")
(setq message-generate-headers-first t)
(setq nnml-directory "~/Mail/")

;; (setq sendmail-program "/usr/sbin/sendmail")

(setq nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)

(if (and (boundp 'gnus-experimental)
         gnus-experimental)
    (progn
      (setq nnmail-delete-incoming nil)
      (setq nnml-get-new-mail nil))
  (setq nnmail-delete-incoming t)
  (setq nnml-get-new-mail t))

(setq nnmail-spool-file 'procmail)
(setq nnmail-split-methods nil)
(setq nnmail-keep-last-article nil)
(setq nnmail-use-procmail t)
(setq nnmail-procmail-directory "~/spool/")

(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t)
(setq gnus-summary-make-false-root 'adopt)
(setq gnus-thread-ignore-subject t)
(setq gnus-thread-hide-killed t)

(when (not (fboundp 'defcustom))
  (setq gnus-group-line-format "%M%S%p[%L]%5y: %(%g%)  %uC
"))

(defun gnus-user-format-function-C (params)
  "Return the Comment field of a group"
  (if (boundp 'gnus-tmp-group)
      (let* ((comment1 (gnus-group-get-parameter gnus-tmp-group 'comment))
	     (comment2 (if (consp comment1)
			   (car comment1)
			 comment1)))
	(if (null comment2)
	    ""
	  (concat "(" comment2 ")")))
    ""))

(setq sc-auto-fill-region-p nil)
(setq sc-citation-leader "")

(if gnus-use-tm
    (progn
      ;(setq mime-editor/transfer-level 8)
      ;(setq-default mime-editor/transfer-level 8)
      (remove-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook
		   'gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable)
      (setq mime-editor/split-message nil)
      (add-hook 'mime/editor-mode-hook 'mime-editor/set-transfer-level-8bit)
      (setq mime-editor/signing-type 'pgp-elkins)
      (setq mime-editor/encrypting-type 'pgp-elkins)))

;;; (add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'gnus-inews-remove-signature)

(setq steves-smtp-nntp-headers '("^[A-Za-z][-0-9A-Za-z]*:"))

(defun steves-article-highlight-headers ()
  "Hook for coloring news post and mail send buffers."
  ;; (setq message-font-lock-keywords steves-smtp-nntp-headers)
  (turn-on-font-lock))

(defvar gnus-mail-save-file-suffix ".spool"
  "Suffix to append to mail save names")

;;; (setq gnus-mail-save-name (function gnus-spool-save-name))
(setq gnus-split-methods nil)

(defun steves-gnus-expiration-function (newsgroup)
  "Function containing expiration intervals."
  (cond ((string= newsgroup "XYZ") 5) ;; [CENSORED]
	;; [CENSORED]
	(t 'never)))

(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function 'steves-gnus-expiration-function)
(defun steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook ()
  "Wipe out damned annoying, obnoxious, and ugly mailing list subject tags.
The Final Solution!"
  (let ((group (car (car group-art))))
    (if (not (string-match "callamer.test" group )) ;; [CENSORED]
	nil
      (let ((dest "")
	    (src (cond ((string= group "callamer.test") "\\[test\\] *")
		       ;; [CENSORED]
		       (t "I'm A Stupid Blathering MSDOS MORON!!!"))))
	(save-excursion
	  (save-restriction
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (if (re-search-forward "^Subject: " nil t)
		(progn
		  (narrow-to-region (gnus-point-at-bol) (gnus-point-at-eol))
		  (if (re-search-forward src nil t)
		      (replace-match dest))))))))))

(if (boundp 'nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)
    (add-hook 'nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook
	      'steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)
  (setq nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook '(steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)))

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'steves-article-highlight-headers)

(when (boundp 'gnus-display-type)
  (setq gnus-group-highlight
	(cond 
	 ((not (eq gnus-display-type 'color))
	  '((mailp . bold)
	    ((= unread 0) . italic)))
	 ((eq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
	  `(((not mailp) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "ForestGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((zerop unread) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Blue" nil nil t nil nil))))
	 (t
	  `(
	    ((and (not mailp) (<= level 3)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "ForestGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (not mailp) (eq level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (not mailp) (eq level 5)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Red" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 1)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DeepPink3" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 2)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "HotPink3" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 3)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "dark magenta" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DeepPink4" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (> level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DarkOrchid4" nil nil t nil nil))
)))))

(setq message-from-style 'angles)
;(setq user-mail-address "Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>")
(setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")

(if (not running-xemacs)
    (setq message-signature '(concat "steve@miranova.com baur\n"
				     (emacs-version)))
  (setq message-signature '(concat "steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
\"Bill Clinton is a bore.  He doesn't have a creative bone in his
body.\"  -- David Brinkley\n")))

(setq message-default-headers
      "X-Url: http://www.miranova.com/%7Esteve/
Mail-Copies-To: never
X-Face: #!T9!#9s-3o8)*uHlX{Ug[xW7E7Wr!*L46-OxqMu\\xz23v|R9q}lH?cRS{rCNe^'[`^sr5\"
 f8*@r4ipO6Jl!:Ccq<xoV[Qz2u8<8-+Vwf2gzJ44lf_/y9OaQ`@#Q65{U4/TC)i2`~/M&QI$X>p:9I
 OSS'2{-)-4wBnVeg0S\\O4Al@)uC[pD|+
Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool
")

(setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")


-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
"Bill Clinton is a bore.  He doesn't have a creative bone in his
body."  -- David Brinkley

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I am using Caldera Linux upgraded to 2.0.18. I'm only connected
occasionaly to the Internet via PPP to my ISP.

I've setup a local news spool and local NNTP server using
leafnode. And at this point in time I have setup the environment
variable 'NNTPSERVER' to point to localhost, sice using NNTP even
locally makes GNUS starts slowly when it looks for the active file.

What I would like to do is instead of GNUS asking the NNTP server
for articles, I would like GNUS to read articles directly from the
local news spool on the hard drive. For information my local news
spool is at /var/spool/news. I've setup my .emacs to point to
/var/spool/news BUT Gnus still look in /usr/spool/news.

Que: What is the correct way to specify the local news spool
         directory in my ~/.emacs

Sometimes after mucking around with the statement 'gnus-select-method'
I did managed, ONCE, to get GNUS use the local spool. HOWEVER this
time the summary group buffer doesn't show number of articles
available or read. GNUS complains that it can't find the active file.

I'm quite new to Linux in general and especially GNUS. So If anybody
can points out to me THE BEST way to setup local news spool (anything
other than leafnode?) and let GNUS use it is ver much appreciated.

TIA
-------------------------
Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir
mansur@pc.jaring.my

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Couldn't find anything by searching the elisp archives, so I thought
I'd ask around.

Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
emacs/XEmacs?  I know all about the diary package, and I don't think
it does what I want it to do for a journal, although it works great
for calendar and appointment management.

What I'd like to do is be able to do something along the lines of:

M-x insert-journal-entry
{calls up a buffer with a time and date stamp inserted at the top.  I
now begin typing random thoughts, progress I've made on projects,
things I want to consider later... etc. etc. etc}

M-x save-journal
{saves the journal file... it *could* share a format with the diary
package as it exists already, I like the full featured-ness of it}

M-x review-journal
{loads the journal into a buffer, read-only.  Alternatively, could
preface it with C-u and it would prompt for a date or a regexp search
for entries}

M-x print-journal
{does what you think}

The date *and* time-stamp granularity is important.  I'd like to be
able to see the TIME stamps especially, so that I could track my
entries however I chose.  Since I seem to have a problem REMEMBERING
everything I do for those stupid status reports every month, this type
of functionality helps me keep track.  Right now I do it pretty much
all manually, but I think if there's an elisp package for it I'd like
to pretty my manual method up.  If anyone's familiar with the
diary/journal format under brief/crisp, that's similar to what I'd
like to see.

I'd also really like to keep it separate from my calendar information
(my ~/diary file).  I'd accept a nudge in the right direction if the
current calendar/diary packages could be made to operate this way
also, as long as I could keep the two separate.

If it doesn't exist, I'll take a swing at writing it myself but first
I'd like to make sure I'm not reinventing anything.  I would imagine
that I could use a LOT of the stuff out of the calendar packages, as
well.

TIA!

-- Gary F.

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From: chihin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chi Hin Chui)
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Subject: solve fonts problem
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Hi,

I had the same problem, and it drove me crazy for a long time. Someone on
this newsgroup finally answered my question.

On the Options menu, make sure that.

OPTIONS:MENUBAR APPEARANCE:FRAME LOCAL FONT-MENU

is NOT checked. If it is, any font changes you make will only be changed
in
that frame, and not globally.

Now reset your font to what you want.

OPTIONS:SAVE OPTIONS

Restart Xemacs

If this still doesn't work (it didn't for me), take a look at your .emacs
file. Mine had a bunch of stuff in it that I got from a sample file
(sample.emacs I think). Apparently something in there that reset some of
the Context colorization overrode my font settings. What I did was start
with a blank .emacs file, and just pasted in stuff that I knew what it
did,
and that I wanted it. My simplified .emacs file let me resest the font
with
the options menu successfully.

Note that OPTIONS:SAVE OPTIONS puts a few lines in your .emacs file that
loads the file .xemacs-options that should also have been created. You can
take a look at that file to see what's happening, although there is a lot
of stuff in it! 

Good luck!

-Chris

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> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>
> I have some trouble to setting the Fonts in xemacs . Select the fonts
form
> the Options menu , then I select the "save options " to save it .
Howvever
> , when I restart the xemacs the xemacs next time , the Fonts does not
> change . So I add two lines in the ".Xdefault' file :
> 
> Emacs.default.attributeFont:
> -*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
> 
> Unfortunely , it still doesn't work .

That should be *one* line:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont:
-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1

(or put a backslash at the end of the first line:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont:\
    -*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
)


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From: Allan Cochrane <Allan.Cochrane@soton.sc.philips.com>
Subject: Re: Journal package available?
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Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:

> Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
> emacs/XEmacs?  I know all about the diary package, and I don't think
> it does what I want it to do for a journal, although it works great
> for calendar and appointment management.

There is a package called 'plod' (Persnonal LOg Device[?]) which may
do what you want. It's primarily a Perl script but there's an emacs
frontend to it as well. You can get plod to prompt you to make an
entry every <n> minutes or you can do it yourself. Every entry is time
stamped.

Plod was written by Hal Pomeranz <pomeranz@aqm.com> but I don't know
if he's still there.

Here's the header for the emacs code:

;; Plod sending commands for Emacs.

;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; Suggested addition to .emacs:
;; 	(load-library "plod-mode")
;; 	(plod-alarm-on 60) ; once an hour
;;
;; When you are tired of PLODding use "M-x plod-alarm-off"
;; 
;; Alternately, use "M-x plod" whenever you want to log something.
;; 
;; paul@ascent.com (Paul Foley)	Wednesday January 20, 1993
;; paulh@harlequin.com (Paul Hudson) Later in 1993 (I forget when :-)

I can't seem to find the Perl code, I wrote a similar program using
Perl/Tk instead.

Hope this helps.

Allan

-- 
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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: run-lisp in XEmacs

i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,

info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.

typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told "(No match)"
in the minibuffer

what am i doing wrong?

tia
                                                                gb

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Brady Montz (bradym@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
> Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
> running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
> tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
> total mess.

I've noticed this behavior too.  This is probably an XEmacs bug, since
it should notice that gnuattach exited and destroy the frame.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Hocemo 101-icu!
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

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In XEmacs, the functions in `post-command-hook' are *not* executed if
the interactive command exits with an error.  To which hook should I add
a function which should be executed regardless whether the command exits
with an error (in Emacs, I *can* use `post-command-hook' for this)?

If there is none, I definitely prefer Emacs' behavior.

P.S. You should state the following (from the info pages) also in the
docstring: 

 - Variable: post-command-hook
     The editor command loop runs this normal hook after each command.
     (In FSF Emacs, it is also run when the command loop is entered, or
     reentered after an error or quit.)  At that time, `this-command'
     describes the command that just ran, and `last-command' describes
     the command before that. 

-- 
Christoph Wedler                         mailto:wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de
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| 18.11.96, Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> comp.emacs
| >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
| 
| 
|   Erik> [...] `append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you
|   Erik> append some value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need
|   Erik> to do N `cdr's.  when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the
|   Erik> execution time is proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N,
|   Erik> written O(N). in contrast, `cons' is O(1), 
| 
|   Erik> [... very interesting contents follows ...]
| 
| This  post is great, is there some manual available online discussing such
| performance considerations ? I write some Elisp myself though I did not learn
| Lisp at school and was not aware at all of these differences.

Yes, I'm maintaining lisp page that will contain any performance 
tips or timing I may do with lisp.

    ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-code.html 

If someone does other timings with elp.el please post the
lisp example code used and timing information.

/jari

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| 19.11.96, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> comp.emacs
| Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
| > do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
| > list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
| > you return it.

[Talk about O(n) and other mathematics]

Just for fun I timed some cases with elp.el. Notice, that
these are not exact time values in seconds, but they give you a
approximation of what Hrvoje talked about.

The section is soon available in

    ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-code.html

The elp.el support functions are also provided in the doc.

/jari


    Which way is faster to add to list?

        If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
        with nconc or cons? Note that nconc works only if the initial
        list is *non-empty*, that's why we have to initialize it in the
        first time with *if*.

            (setq list nil   x t)


            (defun t-1 ()           ;;  Traditional nconc
              (if (null list)
                  (setq list (list x))
                (nconc list (list x))))

            ;;  Using the append
            (defun t-2 () (setq list (append list (list x))))

            (require 'tinylibm)

            ;;  Howabout my library functions?
            ;;  1) uses append as the t-2 with if case
            ;;  2) uses cons with added if case
            ;;
            (defun t-3 () (list-add list x))
            (defun t-4 () (list-prepend list x))

            (loop-for 0 500                         Elapsed
              (t-1)                                  0.7
              (t-2)                                 11.2
              (t-3)                                 13.7
              (t-4))                                 2.5

        Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
        up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
        almost the same because they both use *append* function

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: run-lisp in XEmacs, is it a bug in the info file?
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giacomo boffi writes:
 > i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,
 > 
 > info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
 > info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
 > info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
 > info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.
 > 
 > typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told "(No match)"
 > in the minibuffer

investigating, i found that run-lisp was not added to the autoloading
commands in loaddefs.el, while commands like run-scheme, run-prolog,
etc were

shell> cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
shell> gzgrep -n "'run-" loaddefs.el.gz /dev/null
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:5186:(autoload 'run-prolog "prolog" "\
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:6965:(autoload 'run-ediff-from-cvs-buffer "ediff" "\
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:8785:(autoload 'run-scheme "xscheme" "\

so i had a look where run-lisp is defined (in comint/inf-lisp) and
finally found:

comint/inf-lisp> ;;;jwz: ilisp is better, don't ###autoload
comint/inf-lisp> (define-function 'run-lisp 'inferior-lisp)

it seems to me that we have a bug in the info file, as i, reading
info, understood that run-lisp is a generally available command

regards
								gb

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Plod can be found at http://hpux.ee.ualberta.ca/hpux/Users/plod-1.6.html


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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
>         If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
>         with nconc or cons? Note that nconc works only if the initial
>         list is *non-empty*, that's why we have to initialize it in the
>         first time with *if*.

This is not true.  Change (nconc list (list x)) to
(setq list (nconc list (list c)))
and nconc will work always.

>         Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
>         up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
>         almost the same because they both use *append* function

Why didn't you try 'push + 'nreverse?

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mansur@pc.jaring.my (Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir) writes:

> Que: What is the correct way to specify the local news spool
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Or something like that.  This is all covered in the manual.

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

giacomo> i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,

info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.

giacomo> typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told
giacomo> "(No match)" in the minibuffer

giacomo> what am i doing wrong?

ilisp is a nicer mode for running inferior lisp.  However, what I need
to do to use run-lisp is:

(require 'inf-lisp)
(setq inferior-lisp-program "gcl")
M-x run-lisp

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Smyth <smyth@phish.eas.gatech.edu> writes:

Scott> The error is misunderstood library references (given below).  The
Scott> Xaw and Xaw3d libraries do not seem to work - I pulled off the most
Scott> recent RPMS and loaded them onto the Sparc.

 ...
Scott> EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw3d -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    
Scott> -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                   -lncurses          
Scott> -lgdbm  -ldb      -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o        
Scott> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
 ...

All of the undefined symbols are defined in the libXmu.so library, but
I don't see it on the command line.  Do you have libXmu installed
properly?
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From: Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: Re: Elisp basics (was: condition-case)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 11:06:05 -0800
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jari wrote:
 >     Which way is faster to add to list?

 >         If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
 >         with nconc or cons?
-!snip!-
 >             (loop-for 0 500                         Elapsed
 >               (t-1)                                  0.7
 >               (t-2)                                 11.2
 >               (t-3)                                 13.7
 >               (t-4))                                 2.5

 >         Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
 >         up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
 >         almost the same because they both use *append* function

Look,
adding anything to the end of a list is going to take
O(n) time where n is the length of the list, and simply
cons'ing something on the front of a list takes constant time O(1).

I don't really buy into elp's timing results b/c I constructed
similar tests - ran them 10K times each - and did thiat three times.
One set of results said the function call alone took twice as
long as a function call with an append inside of it - obviously
not possible.  Another set of results reported just the opposite.
I don't know much about elp, but it's accuracy is not very good.

As far as jari's results:

The functions: t-1, t-2, t-3, t-4 are all O(n) !!!!

t-1: nconc cdr's down the list - of length n.
t-2: append cdr's down the list
t-3: the hidden 'member function cdr's down the list
t-4: the hidden 'member function cdr's down the list


Not to mention that all t-x functions are destructively
modifying the list 'list.  So each time around the list
keeps on getting bigger and bigger and bigger.


In other words,
the results are bogus, bogus, bogus.

1) the test was written poorly (e.g. the fcns share the same list)
2) the results were presented inaccurately (e.g. t-4 is not just cons)
3) elp's accuracy is in question (as noted in the package itself)


That's why it is important to understand the language you program in.
Don't blindly assume that a primitive runs in constant time.


anyway...


TJ

-- 
Trey Jackson
trEy@cs.bErkElEy.Edu

"...all those moments will be lost in time
 like tears in the rain.
 Time to die."
-- Roy Batty

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From: Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no>
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mansur@pc.jaring.my (Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir)
> I'm quite new to Linux in general and especially GNUS. So If anybody
> can points out to me THE BEST way to setup local news spool (anything
> other than leafnode?) and let GNUS use it is ver much appreciated.

If you want to use leafnode, do _not_ read the files directly from the
spool.  Leafnode's readership detection won't work correctly if you
do.

There are several other programs, suck and slurp are the most common.

I use leafnode with gnus and have no problems with performance.  Try

	(setq gnus-read-active-file nil)

if the startup isn't fast enough.

Btw, since you say write GNUS: Don't even think about using gnus
version 4.  Gnus 5.2.something is what you need.

--Arnt

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From: geyer@thalia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Helmut Geyer)
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Subject: Re: C-g screws up my gnuattach
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Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote in comp.emacs.xemacs:
:>Brady Montz (bradym@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
:>> Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
:>> running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
:>> tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
:>> total mess.
:>
:>I've noticed this behavior too.  This is probably an XEmacs bug, since
:>it should notice that gnuattach exited and destroy the frame.
:>
The problem is with the tty initialisation. If XEmacs has a controlling tty,
strange things happen only if gnuattach is run from that tty (i.e. gnuattach
won't work correctly at all.  On all other ttys XEmacs (and C-g as well) works
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rightly and so gnuattach will break on C-g.

	Helmut

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* Trey Jackson
| That's why it is important to understand the language you program in.
| Don't blindly assume that a primitive runs in constant time.

I hate to point this out, but Jari Aalto's understanding of Emacs Lisp is
barely better than my cat's.  I have _never_ seen anybody misunderstand
anything so much and be so incredibly stubborn about defending his failed
understanding.  do not take Jari Aalto's advice on Emacs Lisp.  there is no
reason to think he will _learn_ anything at all about how it works, either.

I have posted a rather long article in response to Hrvoje Niksic's
question.  I have also made a few patches available to provide much better
timing functionality.  see ftp.naggum.no:/pub/emacs/run-time.el and .patch.
(if you can port the builtin function `run-time-statistics' to systems that
don't have the `getrusage' system call I'll be very happy.  once we get
that, this can be distributed with Emacs.)

#\Erik
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Is there a function that will squeeze mutiple blank lines in a
buffer to just one ? I keep thinking there is but I can't
find it :-)

And while I am at it, is there a function that will pad out the
rest of a line with a given character up to some line length ?

(actually I can do both of the above by running a perl script
on the buffer, but it would be more elegant to do it from Lisp)

Frossie
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>>>>> "Neil" == Neil J O'Neill <njoneill@kapu.llnl.gov> writes:

 Neil> Perhaps some real emacs hacker can show us how to automatically
 Neil> deactivate the func-menu package when java-mode is active.  Or is
 Neil> there a func-menu (or should it be method-menu?) package that
 Neil> works with Java?

(setq fume-function-name-regexp-java nil) ; Too slow in Java....
(require 'func-menu)

--------
Paul Furnanz                       Phone:  (503) 685-7000 (ext.1731) 
Mentor Graphics Corporation        Email:  paulf@wv.mentorg.com 

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How do i make tab indent with spaces instead of tab characters ?
The problem is that i set the tab-width to 4 and when i open 
file in some other editor the indentation is a mess.

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Subject: Check out InfoDock Associates new web site, http://www.xemacs.com.

If you are interested in commercial support or development for XEmacs (or
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The site has a number of interesting features, including the structure in the
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There is a "Manuals" link on the home page that contains HTML versions of the
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Hello! I've got an exasperating Xemacs 19.14 problem...

Xemacs will:

	1) Run from the console as root (no x-windows).
	2) Run from X only if I have a PPP connection, or
	    if I telnet onto my machine as another user and 
	     run xemacs from that account.
	3) If I have no PPP connection, it just hangs.

	I've set up my /etc/hosts, host.conf, and resolv.conf as
recommended, but am having no luck finding the problem.

	Any ideas?
	My machine is a linux box, xemacs compiled with gcc 2.7.2, 
libc-5.4.11, and the new X 3.2.
It compiles fine!

Thanks, Larry
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From: "Steven M. Waldstein" <stevew1@concentric.net>
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Subject: Undesirable VM interaction
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For some reason when I use VM inside XEmacs I get different behavior
when reading some mail.

After I invoke VM I get a new frame with the INBOX summary at the top.

As I go thru me e-mail some messges appear in the bottom buffer and some
appear in a new frame? This new frame is buried until I go looking for
it.

When I want to delete or act on a message it is confusing since I must
click the cursor on the INBOX frame to select it and then on the Delete
button in the VM frame. A simple D doesn't work in the new frame.

What's going on here? This seems to be new behavior since 19.14
Is there a variable to set/unset to make it work the way it did in 19.13

Thanks in advance,

Stevew

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Sat Nov 23 07:15:12 1996
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From: neppius@walrus.megabaud.fi (Jukka Neppius)
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Subject: [XEmacs-19.14 bug] Device full, but no error message!
Date: 23 Nov 1996 13:14:20 GMT
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Xemacs 19.14 doesn't always give error message "IO error writing file:
No space left on device" when it should.  If there is 1 kB space left
in file system and I save 2000 B file, I get no error message.
Naturally only first 1024 bytes are written to disk. Even if file
system is completely full no error message is given.  Only if file is
much bigger than space available, Xemacs gives above error message.

Tested with Linux kernels 1.2.13 and 2.0.24, Slackware 3.0 and 3.1,
DOS and ext2 file systems.  I installed Xemacs from source
distribution.


- Neppius@megabaud.fi



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From: jamesk@COMPSTAT.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU (James Kuczmarski)
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Subject: colors in lisp mode
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I am trying to get the colors to work in lisp mode. I had it working for an 
instant but then I screwed it up.  Can abyone help??

James


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SENDER: xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu
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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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Hi all,
is anybody working on native NeXTSTEP support for XEmacs? etc/NEWS mentions
this feature "but it may be awhile before this is complete".
bye, lele.
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From: zeller@ips.cs.tu-bs.de (Andreas Zeller)
Subject: Re: Problem with new spacworks and dbx mode
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Justin Gordon (justin@mcm.com) wrote:

> Does anybody know what causes this sort of problem in the dbx window?
> The same thing happens if you do 'man' from within a shell or use
> 'more'. This is driving me crazy. Also, any suggestions for .emacs or
> .dbxrc for using dbx within XEmacs?

> --More--
> # If you routinely use both newer and older releases of dbx, you might
> --More--
> # wish to retain your .dbxinit file and add uses of new functionality to
> --More--
> # a .dbxrc file which `sources' your .dbxinit.  There is an example of
> --More--
> # how to do this at the end of this help topic.
> --More--

In DDD (http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/softech/ddd/), we have had similar
problems with DBX; they were eventually `solved' by setting the
environment variable PAGER to 'cat'.  Hence, the following ~/.emacs
entry might help:

    (setq process-environment (cons "PAGER=cat" process-environment))

If someone finds another way to make DBX shut up, please let me know.

--
Andreas Zeller           Technische Universitaet Braunschweig, Germany
                         zeller@acm.org http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/~zeller

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>>>> Thus spake 'Allan Cochrane (Allan.Cochrane@soton.sc.philips.com)':

 AC> Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
 >> Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
 >> emacs/XEmacs?[snip]

 AC> There is a package called 'plod' (Persnonal LOg Device[?]) which may
 AC> do what you want.[snip]

Here's a reference to plod I found using Yahoo:

Article 6045 of comp.lang.perl:
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From: pomeranz@imagen.com (Hal Pomeranz)
Subject: PLOD (v1.6)
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Greetings, PLOD enthusiasts!

Your humble author is releasing this latest version in preparation for
LISA VII (the paper I just submitted reads in part, "The latest
version of PLOD was recently submitted to comp.lang.perl").  Not a
whole lot has changed since the last public release.  I've added
support for a system-wide /etc/plodrc file, and a customization
mechanism for the time/date stamp since most of the world uses
DD/MM/YY instead of MM/DD/YY.  The log file format is still the same,
so no worries on that score.

I'd also like to take some of your experiences with me to LISA.
Please email any PLOD success stories, humorous anecdotes, or death
threats to me, and I'll include a few of the choicer ones in my
presentation.  Please let me know if you specifically do not want your
name or your organization's name mentioned-- otherwise everybody gets
full attribution.

I'll also be setting up a PLOD archive in the near future on
gatekeeper.imagen.com (161.33.3.1) in the directory /pub/plod.  I plan
to keep a copy of the very latest version in this directory at all
times.  I'll also keep things like my LISA presentation and Paul
Foley's Emacs mode for PLOD in here as well.


-- 
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From: Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
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Steve R Burgett writes:
> des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:
>> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
>> > 
>> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
>> 
>> Seems to be.
>> 
>> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
>> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
>> 

> 48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
> that I didn't write.

I've just finished creating my 1-megabyte .emacs.

However, after the first 200 lines, there are only blank lines.

:-)

It was very easy to do: just type C-x ( C-n C-x ) C-u 1048576 C-x e

:-)

Sorry, couldn't help writing this!

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
mailto:oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
Universidade Estadual de Campinas, SP, Brasil

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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
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Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:

> Looking in the PROBLEMS file included with AucTeX revealed that I needed 
> easymenu.el (or auc-menu.el renamed as easymenu.el). I tried both of these 
> files and get the same error messages, namely;

No you don't.  You need to get _rid_ of any easymenu.el or auc-menu.el
in your path, and use the easymenu.el bundled with XEmacs 19.14
instead.

Use

	M-x locate-library RET easymenu RET

and 

	M-x locate-library RET auc-menu RET

to find the files, and then delete them.

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Vladimir Lobak <vels@vdo.co.il>
> How do i make tab indent with spaces instead of tab characters ?

(setq c-basic-offset 4)

You may also want to set c-tab-always-indent to nil, so tab will
reindent only if it is a the beginning of the line.

--Arnt

